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This is the social manifestation of real differences between men and women. Especially at the extremes, male predation means something very different from female predation. The consequences, incentives, and likelihood are incredibly asymmetrical. So when a woman engages in marginal misconduct, it doesn’t set off alarms in the brain in the same way it does when men do it. And then add in a little social reinforcement on top, and you have two very different reactions. And they should be different …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:36 AM
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Temperament + open-mindedness are more important to me than specific politics. By open-mindedness, I don’t mean she should be willing to change her opinion on specific issues. More so that she can listen to reasoning and try to understand a different thought process without freaking out. My views are spread around so you really couldn’t peg me down based on just a few of them. But I do tend very far right. Whether someone would continue to date me or not is its own test. A leftist that would dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 06:14 AM
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Early in a relationship yes most of the time. In order to establish everything she likes and figure out what’s what. But eventually that changes depending on the woman. I can last a while or finish pretty quickly if I focus up. If it’s routinely taking foreplay + 20 minutes of penetration + an additional 30 minutes to get her off, then we aren’t going to be having the same number of orgasms in the relationship. I will keep trying my best and bring in whatever she wants. But if I can finish from …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:42 AM
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Every hard requirement that you have will just narrow the pool of people you can choose from. You can only have so many deal-breakers before you basically have no viable dating partners. You’re better off judging each relationship individually, both in terms of what they bring to the table, and how porn affects them. Additionally, consider the 3 general categories here. 1: Says they don’t watch porn and are being honest. 2: Says they watch porn. 3: Says they don’t watch porn but they actually do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:32 PM
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There’s a disconnect because there are so many types of women online. It’s kind of weird to say there is only one type and that it’s all contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 11:25 AM
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Aside from your deeper point, which most are already addressing, you are not addressing the “80-20” rule correctly. When men vent about “80-20” rule, they are taking about the struggles of a young “60th percentile” man trying to date a young “60th percentile woman”, for example. It’s kind of just an explanation more than anything else. A reason why perfectly social and well-adjusted person, with below average looks, may have a difficult time finding a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 03:04 AM
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Whats the difference in dna between a hot genes and ugly genes? Almost nothing. The perception difference is large, but it’s not unrealistic to expect culture to play a role in the proliferation of natural beauty. And it’s true that it’s not always poor vs rich populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:31 PM
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That’s one of his most disputed claims. This is not common belief whatsoever. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s more common today that scientists believe human evolution has sped up over the last 50,000 years. It was only 50,000-70,000 years ago when modern humans left Africa and spread the globe (and diverged into races). And regardless, the emphasis of his point was with regard to survival-relevant traits and natural selection. It has less to do with sexual selection or population bottlenecks. Ash…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:58 PM
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You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I’m sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:14 AM
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It’s both. But it’s definitely genetics too for a lot of reasons. 2000 years of violently-enforced arranged marriages vs normal arranged marriages vs several hundred years of liberalization. It doesn’t take that long to substantively increase the attractiveness of a population. Add in a dose of paternity fraud and you’re good to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:37 PM
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Yes I fully agree. Single is much better than being with someone unpleasant or that drains you emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:37 PM
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No, I suspect you are just imagining a choice of men that you’ve already preselected for looks. Tell me, when a guy asks you out, you always say yes to them? Because I’m not sure how you can differentiate between men based on how “empathetic or reliable” they are without having dated them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:20 PM
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Ok so testosterone is dropping a ton. And it just so happens that over that same period sexlessness has increased dramatically to an all time high or something. This is more coherent of an argument than anything written in this post, which requires several leaps of faith. But here’s a side note. “Alpha” is really just a generalized form of a man that’s very successful sexually. I know that some try to pin extremely specific traits on him. But really it’s just the success that defines it. And wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 01:15 PM
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Generally looks, money, and status are the 3 pillars. Those things you mentioned are very important, but they work the opposite way as looks and money. It may take you months of dating someone to figure out they aren’t empathetic and reliable. Or even moving in with them. But anyway, if OP is getting broken up with by women he wants to marry then yeah that could be it. But doesn’t sound like that’s what’s happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 12:19 PM
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Hence hypergamy. Some women explicitly/consciously prefer their man to take more control in the relationship. But even these women wouldn’t want to give that power to anyone. They want men that are capable of building lasting prosperity and aren’t afraid to confidently make tough decisions. In this sense, such women will ideally pick a man worthy of being their “captain”. In this sense, and in the right relationship, the woman will gain a sense of security and a reduction in stress. But this typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 04:01 AM
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Fewer men will wish to pursue her. Most guys worthy of her before she had a kid would rather be with someone that doesn’t have a kid. It does tie in directly with your 3rd pro actually. She will be looking more to settle, but she will have to be more flexible since many guys previously “in her league” will no longer be available to her. In other words, to find a nice, stable, caring guy that is supportive of her her kid(s), she will have to lower her standards for attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 02:11 AM
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Relationship market value
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 12:28 AM
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I don’t think any of your pros are really even worth considering for me. I believe the major positive is that single mothers have lower RMV. But as a person they are still the same. So it’s kind of like a discount on a higher quality woman, crudely speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 12:14 AM
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What first paragraph did I say it’s all about looks? What jealousy? You are delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:39 PM
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Jealous? So if I now, in turn, acknowledge that stable men are preferable, does that now make me jealous of stable men? You may see a lot of bitter people around here, but try to separate the sexism from the shorthand if you can. Many people come here to talk about things with philosophical curiosity. Not out of malice and discontent.This post, for example, carries basically zero practical value. With regard to long term relationships, any number of things including personality and finances will…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 11:38 AM
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Your entire premise is completely deluded. The first thing you do is say that “well-adjusted unattractive” men are not the ones on TRP which is categorically false. This adds a little bit of circularity to your argument, in part because anybody that counters you can just be disregarded as an antisocial internet lurker. Secondly, the belief that attractiveness can be a large determinant of “creepy behavior” is often not formed through being the subject. So your accusation is bs anyway. Over time,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 05:21 AM
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This is all true, especially your last statement in particular. But the reality is that some of these most self-evident concepts are doubted and even vilified. Most people that accept TRP had much of it in their intuition already. But ask a random person what women prioritize the most in dating and many will refuse to say looks. And that’s just the most tame of concepts. And so obviously there is going to be a community where people discuss these unsettled matters, if for no other reason than to…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:48 AM
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This is only true for guys that are attractive, but “smaller” or skinnier than other guys. For overweight or guys with less attractive faces, physical improvement is top priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 04:17 AM
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Idk dieting is just as ideological as it is actually based on reality. Mainly because it’s difficult to know the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:16 PM
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I agree with you, but OP isn’t advocating for people to disregard dating standards themselves. Just that people get too caught up in identifying contextless exhibits of behavior and then applying zero-tolerance to them in a fairly shallow manner. As a relationship progresses, it becomes more important to reflect on the totality of the circumstances and decide if a partner’s behavior is truly warrantless. For people that too easily get taken advantage of and fail to see massive imbalances, certai…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 11:39 PM
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The guy being described in this scenario will end up being the father of her husband’s children. No need for commitment or resources from him. Just the genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 12:04 PM
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Sounds like a fun, honest, and passionate relationship! Congrats to you both.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 08:13 AM
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Physically unattractive in general is probably more accurate than just saying short. As long as the guy is taller than her, it matters less compared to other physical qualities. And your statement might be somewhat true about men reaching their 40s perpetually in this state, but for guys in their early twenties it is a large minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:45 AM
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Any woman that has too many dealbreakers above her own value will suffer, similarly to how a man will.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 12:35 AM
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Women who prefer wealthier men, and therefore willing to put up with more to be with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 12:07 AM
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Oh my. Of course attractiveness and morality are not related. But moral compass in this case is only the predisposition to cheat. Actual cheating is the result of moral compass + temptation. Its way way way easier for a guy to remain “moral” if his only option for cheating is to go out of his way to aggressively and riskily pursue ugly women. Very attractive guys have hot women flirting with them all the time and these women make their interest pretty obvious. If you put such a woman in the lap …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:46 AM
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Person who asks should do those things. Guys always ask because social context awareness forces each person to perpetuate the culture or lose out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:48 AM
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To be fair, people’s different circumstances are sort of factored into the calculation already. The man’s investment into the woman is balanced with his economic capabilities. Rich man may not be giving away as much of himself, but he is a bigger catch. Poor man must make up for it by putting in more effort and show he doesn’t mind to take a hit for a woman. If rich man refuses to pay, he’s an asshole. If poor man can’t confidently pay, financial stability comes into question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:07 AM
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Nah it’s not the same at all. It’s true, no reason for them to allow men there, or even trans for that matter. But they take censorship to an entirely new level. I’m pretty sure every comment made on that sub is sent to mod review. At least for a few months of an account I’m pretty sure you can’t say much at all. Anything that isn’t completely in line with the edicts of the profiteering mods is wiped. Find a comment on that entire sub that has negative karma. It’s not about right/wrong, it’s the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 07:42 AM
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Obviously SMV and RMV are different. Even if SMV is the primary component of RMV. A highly neurotic moron has awful RMV. Personality may have negligible influence on who you choose to date, but bad personality is unbearable and kills relationships all the time. Even if lower n count is higher SMV, n count still affects RMV way more than SMV. Any guy would fuck a hot porn star, but way fewer would marry one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 01:29 AM
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Perhaps. Millions of people in the US alone aren’t related to their “biological” dad and don’t even know it. But that may not be because of prior relationships. A virgin until marriage may be equally as likely to do that, hard to say. As women establish themselves more, financial hypergamy decreases, and technology increases, I would expect this phenomenon to decrease drastically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:02 PM
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Yeah. Unattractive people are more likely to become sexists due to the experiences of being unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:38 PM
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The difference is that a lot of women get strung along by Chad. They had feelings for him. Sometimes men will get unreciprocated feelings towards women in the same context. But that’s more likely to happen at the top strata of looks. I don’t have a study to back up the psychology of alpha widow.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:30 PM
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Yep. It’s bound to happen quite a bit at least. Extreme red pills will probably say it’s ubiquitous amongst a certain strata of women. The woman in this situation has been alpha widowed. This exacerbates female dual-mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:23 AM
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Exactly, there are physics limitations on the scalability of sex. OLD can only scale it so much. Now consider a couple more things though. Let’s try to quantify “sex as a commodity” at a higher resolution. We should first take into account attractiveness of the partner. While attractiveness is fairly universal, quantifying relative attractiveness in real value is incredibly subjective. 1-10 scale weighting doesn’t work here at all. But I will give my own numbers and logic just as a conceptual il…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:11 AM
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Personality will dictate if a relationship lasts or not. But that’s only because attractiveness is already preselected for. I know if someone’s attractive before the first date. I may not know if someone is BPD-adjacent until like 3 months in.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:28 AM
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OPs point is that there is a pervasive asymmetry in relationships. Women can have casual sex with guys “out of their league” fairly easily. They just need to be easy. Guys (outside the top 10%) more often have to go below their league to have casual sex. Relationships predominantly occur within the “same league”. So what that means is that if a man is willing to have an LTR with a woman (ie they are in the same league), then that woman would not be interested in casual sex with that guy. Because…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 08:55 PM
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Wait, oh no, this is a win-win for me hahaha. The first option is literally my type. I find bitchiness + intellect/wit to be an incredibly powerful attraction amplifier. Like a woman that’s not afraid to be mean or insulting with humor or the truth. Even when I am the one insulted by a woman (I fail an attempt at humor for example and she shreds me), even if I am embarrassed, my attraction to her still goes up. In terms of dating, I think it’s a great combo for practical reasons as well. A woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 08:27 PM
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People are drawn to different personalities. Sometimes it’s because it’s actually good for them. Sometimes it’s because of internalized trauma and abuse. I was trying to make a general point. I was not trying to take a deep dive into how to solve emotional abuse patterns and make social progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 07:32 PM
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Yep, I understand what you mean. There is an inaccuracy to the words I used. But I did mean it as the generalized version. So when it comes to the personality of the guy, there is a lot of variation amongst women in the partners they will choose/tolerate. Whatever the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 07:02 PM
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Ok yes you have a point. So the theory of “the wall” itself may be correct or incorrect. And if it’s incorrect, then that doesn’t automatically make it gaslighting. However, many fellow RPers jump on the bandwagon and shove it in women’s faces constantly, even though they don’t actually believe it’s as crushing as they make it seem. I lazily said the wall is gaslighting. But yes I should have been more specific and said that guys overblow the concept and use it to gaslight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 06:04 PM
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I’m claiming that the wall is gaslighting women. You can disagree and claim that it’s not. But I know what I’m saying thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:56 PM
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I think a lot of what you are saying is probably true to a certain extent. I just don’t know how common these neurotypes are. I tend to believe that women generally are interested in hot guys, “good” or “bad”. When it comes to personalities, there is a lot more subjectivity and personal preference involved. Looks are more universal. It may not be the same women that like the good guys and the bad guys. But there will be plenty of women interested in any type of guy as long as he is attractive. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 10:36 AM
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Ahhh shoot. You know “Chad” the lawyer with 3 kids? I’d rather you didn’t break up his family. I actually had a thing with his wife, and the problem is that I’d rather my kid continue to grow up in a stable household off of the lawyer’s resources rather than have his “parents” divorce. Please and thank you 💕
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 10:02 AM
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There were more honest/nice people than I was expecting, it’s true. But honestly even when people say things like “try to be more social” that’s pretty toxic. It’s just gaslighting. For some reason there’s a subset of people that are convinced that every virgin/incel guy must be that way because they have severe social anxiety or a bitter/toxic personality. They can’t wrap their head around the fact that there are authentic guys that are very social with lots of friends, but can’t get a woman be…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 09:14 AM
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I’ll keep this in mind ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:37 AM
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Yes for sure. But there are only so many great looking + wealthy guys out there. When a woman settles for a provider type that is only decent-looking, the temptation to cheat early in the marriage will be there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:09 AM
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Yes hahahahaha. Focus on your looks as much as possible. Get fit and clean and such. Try to be a nice, cool person. And if you still have 0 success in many attempts, then become blackpilled incel 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 07:31 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about? I never said any of this was good or bad. I said that this is how it is. Polygamy is illegal because otherwise some people would do it. And most societies consider it a bad thing. Sometimes things that are good for the individual are immoral and/or bad for society. A guy that secretly impregnates some other guy’s wife is using a very strong reproductive strategy. A kid in the world with full family support, and yet not using any of his own resources. It’s inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 06:47 AM
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Ok I think you are trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 06:00 AM
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??? I already answered. Men, at least, have a slight aversion to women that sleep with tons of guys. Less likely to be reproductively successful with her. Won’t know if it’s your kid or not. Men have no need to be selective with sex, only in resource devotion. If 1000 women wanted a guy to impregnate them with nothing in return, he would do it. If 1000 men wanted to impregnate a woman, she would be better off just picking the best one to do it. And because of this, a man that doesnt get sex at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:55 AM
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It’s irrelevant. That’s the social constraint we have. Various behavioral differences emerge from physiological asymmetries. Culture and social forces amplify these differences. Men with low/0 body counts are stigmatized. Women with high ones are. Women have a biological imperative to be more selective with their mates. Women are locked in for 9 months and have a shorter window of life to reproduce. Their blueprinted desires and motivations are not identical to men’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:31 AM
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On top of that, OLD is just the first filter. Many more filters come with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:39 AM
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They don’t. Men with high body counts are not stigmatized. Low counts are stigmatized. Men don’t need to keep a low body count. They don’t need to signal a low body count. And the few guys that do engage in this type of false signaling are hypocrites if they get upset about women doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:34 AM
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Ok so I almost clarified this exact, potential misunderstanding in my last comment, but decided I had wrote too much already. I guess should have addressed it lol. For LTRs, men generally prefer women that have a lower body count, as you have said. A woman being “easy” signals a high body count to him. The guy will try to have sex either way. The woman’s “easiness” is a reflection on herself. A guy insisting on taking it slow does not solve this problem at all. The woman is the same person. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:03 AM
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I have largely red pill beliefs, and I see the concepts as an amoral map of sexual hierarchy and behavior. Insofar as what I believe actually reflects reality, red pill allows me to avoid judging or moralizing on archetypal desires. You are spot on. What you describe is unfortunate, yet common from both the female and male side.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 03:24 AM
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You know what’s really interesting about your comment is that “being nice” is implicitly regarded as a strategy. And it really is just a strategy in a many cases. Insofar as people can act against their nature, even “being yourself” is a strategy. Women prefer that guys are nice to them, but in a flirting context, being nice is the easiest thing someone can do. And some people mistake their own passivity, agreeableness, and weakness as niceness. A “nice guy” dating strategy does not mean a guy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 02:41 AM
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He did articulate it, but I think if that’s how he truly feels, then he’s more of an outlier amongst men. For me, when I have great chemistry with a woman, and develop romantic interest in them, they literally become more attractive to me and I can’t stop fantasizing about them. The idea that most men would have a one night stand with a slutty girl, but not “wife material” is patently absurd. There is overlap, but there are elements to female mating strategy that are completely different from me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:40 AM
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There is a lot of gamesmanship in large age-gap relationships. There is potentially a predatory aspect to both people. And aside from the exceptionally naive, both people will be aware of this. You see friends and even strangers trying to watch out for their “side”. Guys will warn other guys “oh she’s just a gold digger, she’s fake and you can’t trust her.” Women will warn other women “he is a predator and is just using you. You will be discarded with nothing.” People entering these kinds of ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:15 AM
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In terms of morality, it’s crass and offensive. It’s hurtful in a completely unnecessary way. He could just tell her he’s looking for NSA. It reminds me of ghosting, except at least with ghosting you can understand that people want to avoid conflict and “anxiety”. In terms of strategy, it depends what he was trying to accomplish. If he is so successful on tinder that he legitimately never wants to see that woman again, then I guess it makes sense for him to get back on tinder as quickly as possi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:42 PM
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I strongly lean Red Pill and I could not agree with you more on this. In college, I had a great friend group that included several chads. But the most successful one (with women) is one of the nicest guys I know. He was nice to guys and girls both. He was hot and he slayed. Women like some men despite the fact they are assholes (to them), rarely because of it. And there is going to be a correlation between attractiveness and ability/willingness to sleep around. So a lot of RP guys read it wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:22 PM
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It’s a weird question since even transactional relationships are much more enjoyable for both people when the transactions are implicitly understood rather than stated. Most people want reciprocity but they don’t need “proof” of reciprocity before doing nice things themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:04 PM
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There are hot guys that enjoy being dicks and exerting dominance over women because they can get away with it. They get plenty of women. Very nice and wholesome hot guys get plenty of women. If you are unattractive and start acting like the Machiavellian hot guy, you will suffer. Probably you will suffer worse than just being a normal person. Or maybe you’ll catch a crazy. Women like hot guys with high social status, whether they are “good guys” or “bad guys”.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:35 AM
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Haha yes, I couldn’t resist though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 11:08 AM
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A large majority of men that can have multiple high quality sex partners do so. They aren’t committed to one woman at all. Eventually they may pick one and be faithful. But this is a constraint of society. Given the option to have a polygamous marriage with several beautiful women that all wanted to be part of it, most guys would pick that. But this is not acceptable to most women or most societies. So in practice, most men are monogamous. Most men probably don’t cheat. But there have been some …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:39 AM
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I think the aversion people have to age-gap relationships is more instinctual and ubiquitous than what you are saying. Think about this from the other side. The counter-part to an older rich guy is a gold digger. Gold diggers are pretty widely disliked and stigmatized by men. This is not because men are jealous that these women aren’t with them instead. We dislike them because of a collective fear of being taken advantage of. Men tend to react pretty strongly when they hear about nasty divorces …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 06:45 AM
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Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:48 AM
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Yes, there literally is. It’s called Female Dating Strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:44 AM
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Good question/point. Probably not if they’re older than me or can’t have kids. But if I was like 38 would I marry a 34 year old? For sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 08:48 PM
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As a guy in his early 20s, I am highly attracted to many women well past 30. I think a lot of red pill things are true, but the wall is gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 03:04 PM
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This post is so disorganized without any cohesive viewpoint. It looks like you take every red pill comment at face value and just assume everyone believes everything. Let me explain a few things. Men have a larger desire for casual sex than women do. This is completely indisputable. On average, they pursue it more often than women. So if you take the top 10% of men in terms of sexual attractiveness/success, there won’t be enough women in the top 10% of women to satisfy their desires. The concept…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:55 PM
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Like I said, that just makes it an irrelevant post then since everybody in the world already behaves the exact way op is describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:30 AM
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If you can’t see how this post is blaming women for something then you are just willfully blind. The title is literally a call-out for hypocrisy from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:39 AM
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No, if that was the conclusion, OP would have titled it “men should not feel bad about lying…” etc. But that was in fact never even stated once. Everything was about what women think and what women expect. OP is clearly upset at women for wanting some sort of alleged special treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:19 AM
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It’s basically every TRP/FDSer’s worst nightmare to get out-gamed by someone from the opposing group. OP is paranoid about FDS since FDS has such a long list of deal breakers including: -use of porn -the majority of jobs, including pilots, military, bartenders, artists, entrepreneurs, anything low paying, and much more. -any interest in male comedians -any interest in Joe Rogan, JBP, or like 100 others -playing video games I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:15 AM
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Reading too much FDS makes people paranoid I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:00 AM
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It’s not necessarily wrong. It depends what he means . And insofar as it isn’t wrong, it’s just immaterial. Everybody wants the opposite gender to do what’s best for themselves, not best for the opposite gender. Especially if it means not lying. Who doesn’t get upset at the opposite gender lying to them? Why is this even worth saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:43 AM
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Read the post title again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:31 AM
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No. He is saying that it’s hypocritical of them to feel that way and it’s a double standard. You really think the entire point of what he said amounts to “women are upset that guys lie and mislead to have sex”? Wow what a revelation. That’s not his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:29 AM
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Yeah this is definitely correct, except I don’t think the woman is being deceptive towards relationship guy. It’s not a precondition that a woman should think you are super hot in order to date you. She is still into you to a certain extent. The “trade” is sex for commitment. If one person doesn’t hold up their end, then that’s where they are at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:27 AM
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“They want you to do what benefits them at all times regardless. Even stating that you want to optimize your dating strategy in such a way is triggering to them.”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:11 AM
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The conclusion is that women shouldn’t be upset that men mislead or lie to them — that they shouldn’t be upset because it’s just guys doing what’s best for them. The problem is that anything that involves lying and misleading is obviously going to piss people off and it should. A woman that marries rich and cheats and commits paternity fraud is doing what’s best for her. But that’s obviously not ok. “I lied to have sex with you. Why are you mad at me? You’re the one that didn’t want to have sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:07 AM
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This is a completely asymmetrical scenario. Way more men are interested in a FWB situation. No shit the guy will be ok with it more often. The women that want this are either more rare, or they’d rather actually get the guy to commit to them. The women that say no do so because they want a relationship. Also, with dating and potential relationships, the guy and girl will be similar quality. If the woman just wants casual sex, she can just pursue a way hotter dude. Guys can’t do that since women …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:25 PM
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That depends on the guy. But assuming the same shape, fatter is literally better to a certain extent for most guys. Thigh gaps are not attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:52 PM
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I like when people bring personal experience into PP discussion. I think it’s what we have. But I’m going to pick apart what you have said because I’m not sure how you can even make the observations and conclusions you made. Here are the basic facts of what you said and their implications: -you know a lot of guys that lost their virginity at too young of an age. (This means that you must intimately know a tremendous number of guys). -All of those guys have emotional issues that are unique to guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:32 PM
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Men saying they prefer women that don’t wear makeup is the equivalent of women saying they don’t really care much about physical attractiveness in their LTRs. Both positions are delusions sustained by unacknowledged pre-filtering. Some men will look at 2 beautiful women and say the one with no makeup is more attractive to them. But this doesn’t account for the fact that some women wouldn’t be considered beautiful if they didn’t use makeup. Ie just because you prefer a natural 8 over a plastic 8 …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:15 AM
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This is what they actually mean but a lot of guys literally think they mean no makeup. Those guys are dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:41 AM
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STD and pregnancy risk are shared. But the reality is that I have never heard a guy that regrets losing his V too early or feels taken advantage of. Im sure they exist, but they are rare. Women constantly feel taken advantage of at this age. The potential for psychological harm is asymmetrical. And there is more stigma for women as well. | Most stable relationships are […] low N counts Yes. But given the context of our culture, that’s not easy to find. And as a guy, a large portion of the female…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 09:31 PM
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Who cares if it’s not that difficult to do? Who cares if the relationship only last 2 years or even 2 months? You know what else men have made work before? Having sex in high school. It works really well. There is one drawback. Have to use a condom unless she is on birth control. There’s nothing a guy gains by waiting. There is no benefit in exercising discipline in this way. For women yes. But guys probably have some of the highest sex drive in their whole life at this age.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 08:41 PM
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What are you talking about? This is the dumbest take I’ve heard. He was “wrong” for wanting to have sex at 16? As if STDs magically go away at 19? There are plenty of ways to avoid STDs and pregnancy. Abstinence is the worst, particularly for men. I wish I had worked out more in high school so I could have gotten laid at 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 08:20 PM
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FDS isn’t even founded on anecdotes. I’d respect it more if it was. It’s founded on lengthy games of telephone, delusions/hallucinations, and yes sometimes some made-up or stolen anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:59 PM
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Yes and that will depend on what any given person is claiming. When people say that dual-mating is completely false, then they also have a burden of proof on them for making that kind of claim. Compared to people that are unsure, but believe it could be true or untrue, then yes the people making more definitive claims have the burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:32 PM
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No but that’s the whole point of this post. There are no studies that prove anyone wrong one way or the other. The post shows that one major study in favor of dual-mating strategy was flawed for some reason or another. That doesn’t prove dual mating strategy as false. It proves that we only have empirical knowledge and observation to go off of. Blue pill or red pill, everyone is going off their own preconceptions, assumptions, and observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:18 PM
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Yeah I agree with this. Psych studies should honestly just be compartmentalized with empirical observations and anecdotes that an individual person has.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:52 PM
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That’s not confirmation bias. You use your observations to draw conclusions one way or another. It doesn’t mean you are undercounting the evidence that’s against your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:42 PM
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Ahh yes, but I thought you were being sarcastic. Maybe I misunderstood..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:40 PM
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Yes social sciences in academia are riddled with problems. Assuming an outcome is even accurate and replicable, you must still interpret it correctly. Using a single study as an end-all is not convincing of anything as it’s usually easy to find a study that has a different outcome. In the case of a lot of topics discussed here, the best arguments are usually in the form of hard baseline facts, coupled with strong reasoning. There seem to be a lot of people here that think the fallibility of soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:37 PM
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Imagine thinking that absence of evidence is the same as evidence of absence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:24 PM
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Oh man, my ex gf would FREAK and get overboard insecure on the rare occasions where I wasn’t dtf on her command.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:19 PM
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Well, I can’t tackle your premise head on, but I can point out some issues with your points. First of all, a better conclusion from all you reasoning would be that men don’t view women the same as they do other men. I don’t see how respect is related to the arguments you made. Everything you said about what men actually do, I don’t see how it’s any different from women? What women approach ugly men and invite them into their friend group and try to make a random friendship work? And what man ran…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 11:48 AM
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Yeah I can see that for sure. But still, most guys want younger women, at least for sexual relationships. But most can’t succeed at that or don’t find the stigma worth it. It’s an awfully lot like male repulsion of very promiscuous women. It’s some kind of ingrained instinct that devoting resources to her will be fruitless since you are heavily competing with other guys. Women don’t want to invest their womb to a guy that has blatantly displayed an ability and desire to pair with women in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:37 PM
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| those kinds of men Rich? Attractive? Both? Or just the ones that are attracted to 20 YOs? Except every man in the world is highly attracted to women in their early 20s. I know many younger women don’t want to be with older guys, but certainly older women want to be with older guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:16 PM
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Alpha and beta are always relative terms just used for clear communication. There are many things that people say all the time that are literally the same thing. “That dude is really cool” “That guy fucks” “What a fucking boss”. There are people that are more alpha or more beta, but in the context of specific behavioral description, people will choose the relevant label to apply. Relationships don’t make a guy beta. Being celibate makes a guy beta. Getting cheated on makes a guy beta. But even t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 06:36 PM
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Even if any of this was actually the norm, so what? Then focus on yourself for a decade after college, then you’re good to go. But women dating older rich guys is not the norm at all. Like 1% of guys make more than 300k. Great, they can have their 1% of women. It’s really 0.5% since like half will cheat with hot guys their age. And many of these guys are with women their age anyway. So it’s less. And secondly, your logic is off. You’re saying women want to join a man’s saved game and that’s why …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:24 AM
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Wow thank you. I just want to point out that I believe in some of the realities in an extreme way, but I’m not nihilistic or depressed about any of it at all. So I’m not black pilled per se. I can improve my own circumstances, and when I can’t, I can change my mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 04:50 AM
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Yes broadly speaking you are correct. But imo women care about physical attractiveness more than you think, particularly in NSA situations. They will cheat on a rich guy with a hotter guy. They will not cheat on a hot guy with a rich guy, unless she is getting a lot of money from him in some form. Yes status can help I’ll give you that. Basically women cheat on their husband with guys worthy of replacing their husband as the father. Men cheat on their wives with basically anyone that they find r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:11 AM
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Most guys are yes. Regardless of the specific numbers it’s way way more guys doing it than women. Male thirst creates asymmetries. 9/10 guys will have NSA sex with 6/10 women and maybe even lower. And men are more likely to seek casual sex more often. This creates an environment where women can easily have sex with guys out of her league. No reason for women to have sex below her league when she can get hotter dudes. When a guy proposes to a woman, it’s because he thinks she’s the hottest girl h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:56 AM
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Look, all you have to do is ask random people if they think that male physical attractiveness is the most important quality for women deciding who to have LTRs with. Women or men, doesn’t matter who you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 08:43 PM
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Even though it’s clearly in the Wikipedia, it’s an awful example of sunk-cost. The out of of relationship example is slightly better. I’m not sure what the point of the post is though. In short terms, you basically said the following: girls too casually get with guys they seem to like girls sometimes stay in relationships because they don’t want to go through the entire dating process again just to end up in a similar or worse position girls sometimes do the opposite of 1 Option 1 is kind of goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:46 PM
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My ex girlfriend hovered between 16 and 19 BMI while we were together. She was 5’4” ish. Naturally curvy, no exercise. Her body always looked really good to me. But within her range of 16 to 19bmi, 19 was clearly the best. Legs looked better to me at 19. Face was similar, but paler (in a bad way) at 16. For me, once a woman no longer has an overt muffin top, I think as she loses weight she is getting less attractive. So it totally depends on body shape and how toned she is I guess? But she will …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:57 PM
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There is such a large range of bodies that I would say fall in the “highly desirable” range. Like if you go from a “perfect body” for a person, and like gain or lose 15% bodyweight, the person will still be very attractive usually. Not worth critiquing ya know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:39 AM
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I’m pretty sure at this point that hypergamy is just the result of structural asymmetries. If those asymmetries disappear, so does most of the hypergamy. Educational hypergamy - gone Financial hypergamy - shrinking for decades Casual sex attractiveness hypergamy - high
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:03 AM
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You don’t have to overcome it because your general looks already do. But for an average face, if he goes from 22bmi to 18, it will hurt more than help.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:03 AM
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Yeah I was joking about myself btw hahaha. And yeah, 18 bmi with hot face will get tons of chicks for sure. Skinny or short are things you can overcome with hot face and decent personality. The problem with fatness is that it ruins the face too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:54 AM
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Ok now I’m jealous. Although my facial structure and jawline are so insanely good that shaving off my beard is indistinguishable from highly aggressive Dread Game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:39 AM
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Thanks for reading my (harsh) words in good faith. I see what you’re saying. Basically that it’s almost never worth it to marry a chick that has kids already. Considering how few kids couples have these days, and how little most make, you’re probably correct. But let me offer one possibility. Most guys will be very opposed to marrying a woman with kids. The woman must lower her standards. That means that for an average Joe, he may have a better chance of getting a hotter woman if she has kid(s).…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:31 AM
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You don’t understand the bias and its limitations. Holy shit. You really don’t understand what marginal benefit is. $100,000 is literally LESS valuable to someone that has $10m than it is to someone with $1000. The marginal impact on your life of an extra kid is determined by how wealthy you are. Paying that $300k for an extra kid has 0 impact on Jeff Bezos but will crush a family below the poverty line. Therefore, it matters less to a guy that makes more money. And also, $300k is an average. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:46 AM
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Yeah we probably agree in general. Fewer resources for your kids is the same thing as fewer kids with the same resources (per kid). I just framed it as the latter. But basically what I was saying was that the more money that you have, the less “splitting resources” actually affects your kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:32 AM
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It’s not easier for a women to get a relationship than it is for a guy. But it is more difficult for a woman to get a relationship with a guy that is capable of sleeping with her casually. Male thirst makes it easy for a girl to have sex with a guy that is more attractive than her. This gives women better options for that sort of thing. But these same guys will be much harder to tie down unless you are on par with the hottest/best women that he can get. Basically the most general advice I can gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:22 AM
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Ok, so people sometimes have fewer or more kids than they want. But a couple that thinks they want 5 kids will have more kids than a couple that wants 0 kids. But that’s just an illustration. The specifics don’t matter. You are failing to understand a very simple concept. The more kids a woman ALREADY has, the fewer resources you will have to give to your own bio children. And the more resources you have, the less this affects your bio children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:03 AM
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Braindead take
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:50 AM
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You are conflating top attractive guys with top money guys. At younger ages, top attractive guys will be less likely to want to be exclusive than any other demographic. And btw, more attractive guys will still be more likely to be in relationships than average guys because the bottom half of guys will struggle to get one. They would still prefer one though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:49 AM
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I mean if the person without the kid has good money then they will care less. As a couple, if you will be able to support 2 kids and she already has 1, then that means you are only having 1 biological kid instead of 2. That can be a big deal. But if as a couple, you can support 5 kids, then it’s not a big deal. 4 vs 5 bio kids. And yes a good person who does commit to this should treat the other kid equally. If a woman had kids already but didn’t want anymore I would never marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:37 AM
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When I had a beard, I would do it and it made a clean, short beard look more full. The only problem was that I felt a little self conscious about being “fraudulent” and I don’t really know why. I should do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:29 AM
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Yeah I prefer blue pill people. You can understand a blue pill person’s actions, but they have absolutely no clue what’s going on!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:18 PM
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I just mean all the blue pillers or worse. They think red pill is just some sort of cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:13 PM
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Im fairly red pilled, but I don’t think it’s a necessarily a bad thing for a person to marry someone with kids. It’s a serious decision, but if taken with a lot of thought, it’s not much different than any other relationship tradeoff. Let’s say hypothetically that maybe your sister is naturally a really great “catch”, then it’s reasonable for some guys to prefer the slightly better woman even if it means also raising her kid. Any type of obvious or excessive trade-off in a relationship will be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:12 PM
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There was a recent FDS thread about finding HVMs. And the responses were stunning. One woman said that she’s older and has never met a single HVM. Many other were saying that they’ve never dated an HVM, but maybe have known a handful personally. For them HVM is literally top 5% baseline, but then subject to any difference of interests or political opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:36 PM
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Not if you think TRP is gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:54 PM
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That’s the point I think
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:54 PM
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And beard darkeners
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:53 PM
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This is actually good you brought that up. Take an average local restaurant you have in middle America and plop it down in Times Square and tell me if it succeeds. Way more people around, but can easily go out of business. Cities and colleges are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:15 AM
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What, do you think homosexuality is a learned behavior? Also you think it’s just a coincidence that all of the biggest causes of attraction are also signs of health and reproductive fitness? Yes there is necessarily a sociological element to it as well. But it doesn’t matter. Because we know that in a given society, there is tremendous overlap between what men and women find attractive. It’s as if you think there are libraries full of peer-reviewed studies proving blue pill beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:55 AM
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It doesn’t matter if it changes through generations or not. In the current time in the country where you live, there is a hierarchy. 25% college men graduate virgins (I’m not citing the 30% at 30 weak af study). 5% of men will sleep with like 20+ women in college. And 1% will sleep with like 80+. That is the definition of hierarchy. The rigidity of the hierarchy is up for debate. Consider the hierarchy of YouTube channels. Everybody likes different personalities, different genres, different cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:37 AM
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I agree. I’m not making that assumption, but I’m sure many do. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that more prior causal sex is healthier for LTRs than less. If the alternative to promiscuity is female structural oppression and dependence, then sure it’s probably not a healthy trade. But for guys to want to make the individual choice to marry women that have lower n-count, does not seem wrong or unfair to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:33 AM
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Not really. I disagree with most stuff on TRP. Lots of the game shit especially. What did I say that’s so wrong? And why does overlapping views make me brainwashed?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:09 AM
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They think that the more (casual) sex partners that she has had, the less likely she is to be satisfied with her husband or his seed or both. Now that’s assuming all else equal. So an 8 may have more casual sex than a 4 and be more more satisfied with their husband than the 4 is. But the idea is that if an 8 has 20 partners vs 3, then she will be more likely to feel like an 8 husband is marrying down.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:59 AM
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The thing about the hierarchies that you described in your post is that red pill didn’t invent them, they only identified and codified them. 1-10, alpha, shit-test, Chad, plate, etc: these are abstractions that allow for communication. People dismiss the concept of “Alpha” because often there are very kind and passionate men that get tons of women. But the reality is that it doesn’t matter what the specific traits are in any given case. What’s important is that there are guys that with a combina…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:43 AM
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Yeah in theoretical quantum red pillistics, beta bux exists in this era of no pair bonding. That’s what makes them beta bucks instead of just a normal match.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:08 AM
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In simple terms it’s just the guy that she has to lower her standards for in order to get commitment. But generally it comes with some kind of stability and money. At least at older ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:45 AM
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The guy she was with was beta bux
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:40 AM
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Hahaha it’s not like anyone could be persuaded on a preference like that. Just meant to share mine. I should have used “I”.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:33 AM
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No because red pill are a lot of these average guys so it hurts them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:23 AM
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Classic BB
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:19 AM
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Need both in a relationship. But honestly bj is way better than protected sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:16 AM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:13 AM
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Red pill doesn’t say that “alphas never seek relationships”. So they also wouldn’t say that alphas never “seek relationships and then bail sometimes” which is what OP is describing. It’s just that guys string women along for sex way more than women do that to guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:10 AM
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Very strict views are a minority position. Sometimes I go on red pill and I disagree with more posts than I agree with. But the fundamentals are generally sound. Yes many people take it too far. The thing is everybody starts off blue pilled. Just be a good person. There’s someone for everybody. Women lying about how much they prioritize looks. Etc. so generally people that have believed the same thing their entire lives are consider more close-minded, regardless of whether they are right or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:54 AM
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Yes, biological tendencies and similarities. The biggest conspiracy theory of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:33 AM
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I sort of agree. I know guys with gigaChad looks that think it’s all their personality that gets them 10 hot lays a year. They think almost anybody can do the same thing if they know the right things to say. The thing is that pretty much everyone that believes in red pill does so because it critically reflects the reality that they see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:16 AM
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Well I’m not exactly sure what the stats of the problems are. I’d have to go through like 3 layers of red pill abstraction to arrive at why prostitution would be great. In short, something like 20% of guys at 24 are virgins. Probably more are technically incels. It would get rid of that. And then also bring a semblance of parity to relationships in terms of prior partners and their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:45 PM
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Fully legalize and regulate/support prostitution. Done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:17 PM
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Just look at the lives people dedicate to disproving red pill. If you even mention red pill association in polite society, you will get squashed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:51 PM
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lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:49 PM
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This comment reads as if you literally took the irreversible red pill from the matrix but then wished you had taken blue.
/r/ExRedPill17/07/21 11:53 AM
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Interesting study yeah. It’s a good sign that hypergamy with education goes away as education levels even out. There is still the question of hypergamy with regard to attractiveness and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:53 AM
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Im not against it at all. You asked “what’s wrong” with a very open sexual society. That was the answer, in short. It doesn’t mean I think the benefits don’t outweigh the negatives. But there are negatives that exist. Your question implies that there are all benefits and no drawbacks. I didn’t say anything about morality… Lastly, Red Pill is not detached from women at all. You must not really know anything about red pill. There are plenty of sexually active and married men and women that believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:39 AM
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You end up with all the negatives of a promiscuous society. More generally, highly traditional society wants to stay traditional because they have gotten far with it, no need to stray into unknown territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:16 AM
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A lot of toxic types in the fringe communities for sure. I fully agree that there are a good number of people that can commit and stay together. My parents did it. My dad was a 25yo immigrant coming into the US with no high school diploma. He was getting by in New York City by taking on debt and opening stores and restaurants. They would fail, or he’d eventually sell them and try to start something new with larger potential. There was no financial stability with this, especially with literally 0…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:06 AM
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Haha yeah it’s fine. We can agree to disagree. I’m going to say some more anyway though lol. If you are getting sex from the woman, then by definition you are not simping. Simping is literally treating a woman like she is your girlfriend while not getting sex from her. Every example of simping is a version of that. Being a person who has to use prostitutes for better sex is beta. But I personally don’t even think the act of using a prostitute is even beta. It’s just something betas do. Although …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:26 AM
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Inferiority to other guys is a state of reality. A beta that doesn’t admit to being beta is still a beta. A beta virgin that thinks he’s a Chad is more pathetic than a self aware beta. Paying money for online attention and a 0.001% chance of meeting a girl is straight delusion. Simping is so pathetic because it means you are letting yourself be taken advantage of. Cucks and simps get taken advantage of. They don’t get what they think they are getting. Paying a prostitute is nothing like that. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:02 AM
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This is straight cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:40 AM
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Not if you get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:39 AM
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Ok, but the real question here is do you have any female friends that you think are ugly (defined as would not have sex with them) ? An ex is automatically disqualified from this because there’s obviously a certain amount of sexual attraction. As a further clarification, female friend would mean a female friend in which you put effort into the friendship. Not someone you get along well with at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:35 AM
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I think Red Pill generally gets a ton of stuff right. With that said, I don’t understand the hatred and harassment of e-girls. I don’t think those kind of views are widespread even amongst black-pilled types. But obviously you’ll still see a lot of it on the internet. I think a lot of it might be contextual jealousy. Mainstream (feminism) constantly telling people how privileged men are and how women are societal victims both socially and financially. And then a guy that doesn’t make a lot of mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:16 AM
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https://www.yourtango.com/2016285828/women-find-80-percent-men-unattractive-says-crazy-study 2 graphs showing women thinking 80% of men are below average in looks. Vs men thinking 50% women are below average. https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/the-paternity-myth-the-rarity-of-cuckoldry ^ article critical of inflated cuckoldry numbers. Still concedes it’s around 1.5-3.7% of children are paternity fraud. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.huffpost.com/entry/cheating-study_n_4032035/amp su…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 06:44 AM
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Ok, here are some clarifications that will help a bit in digging through the actual dogma that you will certainly see in red pill circles. First and most importantly, it’s not that all or even necessarily most women would prefer to share Chad via polyamory than commit to Joe. This is simply not the case at all all. And it’s a wrong interpretation of red pill in two huge ways: 1: It’s not polyamory. It’s one night stands. It’s fwb. It’s pump and dump. Chad won’t commit to Becky, but Becky only kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 06:13 AM
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I was just saying that basically all that stuff is central to red pill views and research. Not necessarily that it’s true. Certainly I didn’t prove it there. I’ll look for some posts or studies that make the case well. The logic behind it (and again not proof) is that women are more selective than guys and value commitment more than casual sex relative to guys. From an evolutionary perspective, men can impregnate infinite women and can keep going for most of life. Women are locked in for 9 month…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 02:01 AM
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Regardless of the validity of what I’m about to say, this is like a huge red pill and MGTOW thing. Women think they are dating down in attractiveness, but actually have a bias because many guys more attractive than them still try to have sex with them. It’s extremely easy a 7-8 girl to fwb a 10 guy. But for sure as people get older, women will date down in attractiveness in exchange for higher status and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:44 AM
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You’re right it depends on the person. I personally would take average curves and hot face over average face and hot curves. I think most women would go for body and face before height. As long as dude is her height or taller. The tough part is that fatness negatively impacts both the body and the face most of the time so it’s hard to compare it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/21 12:26 AM
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To say that your viewpoint is logically backed by evolutionary biology is patently absurd for many reasons. First of all, if true, it would be the same way for men. Men would pick women based on “happy vibes and humor” instead of fertility indicators. Good vibes has nothing to do with survival. Women are physically attracted to height and strength because those are attributes that can protect her and her children. Part of survival is cooperation and respect in the tribe. So yes, antisocial behav…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:02 PM
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Let me clarify. I’m not saying not to generalize women. I’m saying don’t take something one group of women say, and then contradict it to something a different group of women say, and then conclude that women are contradictory morons that utter their first thought on a whim. As batshit as FDS can be, they have some unique convictions that naturally go against many women’s views. They outright hate modern feminists for the most part as an example. So it’s easy to contradict viewpoints about what …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:06 PM
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I think some women are against sex work and pornography for the same reasons why some men are against OLD and female promiscuity. Each of these completely fucks over the bottom x% of the respective population. If men can freely go to prostitutes in the 6-9 range, women at 3 and below are screwed. And OLD gives women sex and hope/expectation of relationships with guys 3+ tiers above, screwing over a broader selection of men, but not as severely as prostitution hurts 1-3 women maybe The disclaimer…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:58 PM
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The women that hate porn hate sex work. Don’t group women together like their gender is an ideology rampant with contradictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:48 PM
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The robot stuff I completely agree with. VR+ robots will not do it. But full blown legal prostitution with large choice of women will definitely have a huge impact. Only morons say that they wouldn’t pay for sex with hot women. I’m sure many guys say it or even believe it just because it signals lack of desperation. Of course some want to avoid the stigma. Of course it’s preferable to have a woman who wants to have sex solely for your body and connection. But a prostitute is still a willing part…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:31 PM
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Get out of course the wife will leave. And she’ll charge you as if she had been a prostitute the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 11:45 AM
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It is naturally and unavoidably true that there are many men that can't get women within their league due to personality traits and behavior. But it is the red pill thesis that the culture is unfairly stacked against men with average looks and average personality (or below). These men will struggle to date women in their own league because a lot of those women are fucking better looking guys and trying to get relationships with them (but failing). That leaves a large shortage of average women co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:39 PM
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Ah ok, so this post was a response to an argument adjacent to what I was just saying. I see haha. That context makes more sense now. People do blow up things like this so I see the case you are making. But for whatever reason, based on the graphs, it is true that the women there have higher standards of men than the men have for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:34 PM
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No you are dead wrong. As long as you are same height or taller than the woman, then facial attractiveness is magnitudes more important. If you are shorter then it depends on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:24 PM
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There’s infinite personal speculation here about what “men” are thinking and what they expect. But nobody is actually looking at both the female and male graph and actually thinking about what those graphs mean. If you look at the rating distribution of females, you see a perfectly normal distribution. This means that on average, when a guy thinks that a woman is average, she is actually average. But look at the distribution of males, as rated by females. If a women thinks you are average (2.5/5…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:50 PM
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Most important factor for both sexes is facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 02:16 PM
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Yes fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:41 PM
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One of my best friends is young twenties superchad in top tier finance and we played video games like 20-40 hours a week for months during the pandemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 03:15 PM
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No don’t group trans in with biological things like race and sexuality. You claim that gender is a social construct. Sexuality and race are not social constructs. The factors that manifest those things are imprinted in your DNA. If gender identity is biological, then they don’t choose. I would agree with you. But if you are going to say that gender is completely arbitrary (and not compelled by biology), then its their own whim to switch genders as contrarians or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 07:45 AM
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No it’s not like saying that because black people don’t choose to be black. Even if acceptance is the issue, it’s irrelevant to the point I’m making. Discrimination and disgust is an inevitable reaction that all transgender people will face from many, so why would someone choose to be transgender instead of just going with the flow like 99% of people do? There must be something biological otherwise trans is just a bunch of contrarians. Clothing is a social construct and arbitrary in the way you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 07:18 AM
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No. If gender is arbitrary and socially constructed, then ignoring all the social pressures and transitioning genders despite knowing the negative social consequences, is a sign of mental illness. If gender was so arbitrary then it would take an insane person to want to switch genders given how much allege discrimination there is against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 06:38 AM
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Nobody inspects anybody that uses a bathroom as it is. It’s just an honor system. If you think your presence will make women uncomfortable in a bathroom or locker room, then use a men’s room. Yes you are correct that would sometimes mean that you use the bathroom based on gender expression instead of biological sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 05:32 AM
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Bathrooms shouldn’t even be about gender; the importance of separated bathrooms is literally penis vs no penis. If you have a penis you shouldn’t be in a female bathroom. Otherwise anyone can use men’s bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 05:06 AM
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Joe Rogan was interviewing Iliza Shlesinger and she told a story about how she had a friend that she had basically friend-zoned. But then, one day they were hanging out and he told her that his mom was diagnosed with cancer and he broke down and started crying (btw he was lying and was a total psycho it turned out lol). And this caused some kind of emotional connection and it led to them getting romantically involved and dating for months. What's so interesting about this case is that it wasn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:04 PM
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PinkPill-adjacent subs often have some of the most mind-boggling ideas and notions, and yet pinkpill commenters here often making a ton of sense. For the record, your comment would speak equal truth on almost any post in /FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 12:04 PM
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No matter how much women say that they like men that open up and can cry in front of them, I think most men (including myself) just don't believe it and don't necessarily want/need to anyway. I guess it might depend on the situation. But it's definitely overdone. If a dude gets fired from his job and then cries in front of his girlfriend then that's a bad situation. The other way around and no guy would think twice about it. I feel like it's the equivalent of men telling women that they don't ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 11:11 AM
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