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In addition to not once addressing the actual question that I asked you you are very insulting. I think your radically fluctuating hormones are impacting your ability to engage in respectful and logical discourse, which is funny since I too am a woman but I don't seem to be having that problem. My experience with people has been that when they avoid answering a question and resort to insulting ways of communicating, it's generally due to their own unwillingness to admit their reasoning is flawed…
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:28 AM
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I was implying (and now i'm stating outright) that willfully assisting someone in self harm is morally wrong, and if you believe that it is okay for your son to sleep around when casual sex is harmful to women then you are advocating immoral behavior and ought to rethink your position.
/r/MensRights08/01/13 06:03 AM
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Also, the claim that women are generally less logical than men is not supported by any evidence. It is unfortunate that you carry such a demeaning opinion of half the world's population. Sex, whether promiscuous or not, is (IMO) not the way to judge a persons character. Things like honesty, integrity, thoughtfulness, and a responsible healthy lifestyle are important. How many people you've slept with generally is not (although in extreme cases could be, for both genders).
/r/MensRights07/01/13 06:22 AM
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Again, if engaging in casual sex is harmful to women, how can a man be morally justified in having casual sex with them?
/r/MensRights07/01/13 06:16 AM
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You've yet to address the actual questions I have raised.
/r/MensRights07/01/13 06:13 AM
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I've already tried that link, it won't let me access the full article without paying for it, and since the blog only summarizes the correlation aspect but doesn't explain causation I'm unable to assess the original study without preexisting the article (and much as I enjoy a good reddit debate, I'm not going to pay money to continue one). EDIT that should say purchasing not preexisting (silly autocorrect)
/r/MensRights07/01/13 06:06 AM
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Thanks edit This website is interesting to read, but not entirely convincing, since showing correlation (which the study appears to do) is different from demonstrating causality (which is not summarized on this website). It's too bad one has to pay for scholarly article to assess it firsthand. The website just doesn't elaborate on the study's explanation for why such a pattern exists. Saying "there is a correlation between female promiscuity and divorce, therefore female promiscuity increases th…
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:07 AM
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Agreed, I think it does both genders a disservice.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:06 AM
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Thanks but that doesn't answer my question.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 07:05 AM
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Well yes, some of my personal criticisms are addressed elsewhere in the thread and you're welcome to check my comment history if you're interested.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 12:11 AM
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thanks! Edit So far these particular authors don't seem very credible as sources, since they are both bloggers of a particular ideological bent, rather than a more dispassionate/scientific perspective. I'll still read them since I'm interested, but I was hoping more for a link to something by a scientist/social scientist so I could examine the merits of a direct, objective, peer reviewed study on the topic.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 09:30 PM
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Dude relax, I don't see how name calling is warranted. I know what you were referring to. My point is that when you look at both her comment, and the article (of which she claims to be the author), then it is clear that she thinks promiscuous/casual sex for women is bad. Which brings me back to the above question.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 09:29 PM
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Humans have been valued or devalued by each other for a wide variety of things across cultures for thousands of years. Those values have continued to change and evolve up to the present day. I'm sure they will continue to do so. And in any event, doing or not doing something for the sole reason that "nature made it so" is an appeal to nature fallacy.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:43 PM
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For the hell of it I Googled "magical unicorns from north korea"... awesome :)
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:32 PM
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I see what you're saying but it (her claim, not your comment) is still inconsistent. If you think something is wrong then you shouldn't help others do it. If she or her son thinks women having casual sex is "bad" then her son should not have casual sex with women, nor should she condone it, because he is now an accomplice in bad behavior. I mean, suppose for the sake of argument we agree that cheating on your spouse is morally wrong. And suppose a woman who also believes this is involved with a …
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:20 PM
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I'm just not seeing why you're surprised it was used here to describe that very being. Oh I'm not surprised, didn't mean to give that impression. JoeDerp's comment seemed to suggest that she (the author) didn't actually see anything wrong with women being promiscuous, it just depended on whether they were prioritizing SMV vs MMV. I was pointing out that her word choice implies that she does see promiscuity as morally "bad" behavior for women, however she said pretty explicitly that it is not mor…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:03 PM
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Yeah, I get that, what I'm saying is that the phrase itself carries negative connotations about women's sexual behavior, and reduces the woman who is being "pumped" and then "dumped" to a valueless thing that deserves to be used and then discarded. The fact that she would decide to use this type of phrasing gives the impression that women who have a lot of sexual partners are bad.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 07:37 PM
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If you read her original article, it is very negative toward promiscuous women, she calls promiscuous women "sluts" and uses phrases like "pump and dump" which carry high negative connotations toward promiscuous female sexual behavior. Her comment about SMV vs MMV also implies that women who prioritize MMV over SMV are somehow "better" than their more promiscuous counterparts, and that the whole pair-bonding thing (if it's accurate) renders promiscuity and casual sex as damaging to a woman on em…
/r/MensRights19/12/12 06:36 PM
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there is data to show that the more sexual partners a woman has had, the greater the chances of divorce source?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:14 PM
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I'm trying to understand, if it's not bad for men to have casual sex, but it is bad for women to have casual sex, then who are men supposed to have casual sex with? And can you cite a source for your pair-bonding comment?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:12 PM
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The voice here is distinctly male. Did I miss something? It's possible but I have a few female relatives that would say something like this too...
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:04 PM
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If I were a philosophy professor I would use this letter in a logic and critical reasoning class to demonstrate poor argumentation and examples of fallacious reasoning. Those of you who like the letter might think I'm just being disagreeable, but I mean it. This whole letter would be perfect for that type of assignment.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 05:00 PM
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Actually I didn't make any accusations, false or otherwise. What I did was ask a question that you still never answered. And I got angry and started shouting because you were being a dick for no good reason. Edit Although actually yes, I did accuse you of misquoting me and intentionally redefining what I say so you could argue against me (which you did). But initially my intention was not to accuse anyone of anything, merely to request clarification.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 04:11 AM
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You made that claim and I demand you back it up Actually I asked you to clarify who you mean by feminist, and pointed out that your description doesn't fit my experience/observations. Now you are misquoting me (in the first quote you list) and intentionally re-interpreting what I say so you can argue against it. You still have yet to explain to me the basis for your particular definition of feminism, or why you consider yourself more qualified to define the term. I have answered every question y…
/r/MensRights17/12/12 03:50 AM
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What I asked is do you think women are disadvantaged? I think the fact that women cannot yet take it for granted that their right to choose is protected is a type of disadvantage yes. Autonomy over one’s body should be as unquestionable a right as the right to choose one’s own religious beliefs. As for demonization of male sexuality, I never mentioned that. Equating women’s experiences with sexual harassment or slut shaming to demonization of male sexuality is an equivocation fallacy, i.e., sayi…
/r/MensRights16/12/12 08:43 PM
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Who said anything about demonization of male sexuality? And yes, I do think women should maintain the right to choose abortion and have access to a safe legal medical procedure if that's what she decides.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 06:27 PM
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I'm a little unsure if this is entirely right. That's because it's wrong, that sucks. Maybe you can find a therapist who doesn't subscribe to outdated sexual stereotypes/gender roles. I know if I was in your shoes I would try to explain to my spouse that I don't feel this one is a good fit. If you have a few alternative counselors you've already looked into and you bring those to the table as well, that could also bode well for such a conversation. Good luck on everything. edit: grammar
/r/MensRights16/12/12 04:03 PM
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The most common I hear discussed are related to how women are treated professionally, the social acceptability/frequency of sexual harassment/slut shaming/ and other sex related issues (not necessarily in the workplace), and the way women are portrayed in media and popular culture (closely related to commodification of sex). They are also concerned with challenging gender stereotypes and maintaining legal autonomy over one's body (and pay close attention to things like attempts to pass anti-abor…
/r/MensRights16/12/12 05:35 AM
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Asking him to clarify who he is specifically referring to, and explaining that I have an experience which is in contradiction to what he is saying doesn't mean that I'm defining a movement based on my personal experience. You are reading things into my question that aren't there. You wave the feminist flag and claim your ant equality while you support those in power who want anything but Me? Really? So you know me and my beliefs now? your fuckig friends call themselves feminists and support equa…
/r/MensRights15/12/12 10:43 PM
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There's really no difference among feminists on the question we're considering. The OP states (emphasis mine): The brand of feminism I am talking about isn't very rigid, as there are a lot of different ones. Modern would be an important qualifier, so the conversation stays relevant. Also, I'd ask you to avoid the extreme feminist ideologies, as I not only believe that it would be nearly impossible to find an agreeable aspect, but also that it might steer the discussion in the wrong direction. I …
/r/MensRights15/12/12 10:31 PM
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Perhaps you could specify who specifically you mean when you say "feminists"? The women I know in real life who identify as feminists don't really fit with the feminists you describe. Perhaps we just come into contact with different types of people, but are you really saying you believe that ALL types of feminism (and there are multiple, it's not monolithic) hate men and think they're all perverted rapists? Because I can tell you I come into contact with quite a few politically or socially minde…
/r/MensRights15/12/12 06:07 PM
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Did you actually read the comments? Most people are on his side, not hers. Especially the women who are pointing out that her birth control excuses reek of bullshit.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 02:24 AM
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Many people are blaming him and everybody else is getting downvoted. Funny you would say that and title your post in this manner, the top comments on the thread, and many of the older comments from when you originally would have linked to it, more often than not speak out against the wife for being irresponsible and/or dishonest. I know that was my initial reaction.
/r/MensRights15/12/12 02:12 AM
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I'm not a feminist actually. There are things about feminism I do and don't agree with, there are things about the MRA perspective I do and don't agree with. This particular comment just struck me as ironic, and I probably should have waited until I had time to elaborate more fully before posting, but then I hit "save" and well, you know the rest since you've read this.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 09:36 PM
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It was the juxtaposition of "men suffer too" next to "the victim mindset is strong" that I found striking.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:41 PM
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Sorry about that, was in the middle of something and had to go. I was referring to the fact that this complaint, and much of the dialogue on this thread, seems to be doing the exact same thing that it accuses the other side of doing.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:30 PM
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Feminism resonates deeply with people for a wide variety of reasons. Reducing it to ego and a desire to play the victim is overgeneralizing. I appreciate the thoughtfulness of your answer here, but saying "I disagree with your argument and reasoning" is different from, "your feminist beliefs are based entirely upon ego/narcissism/being a victim and whatever experiences you think you've had to support your feminist perspective are irrelevant." I think this is where many feminist women get frustra…
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:20 PM
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I was more trying to point out the communication difficulties about this topic. I never stated that I personally interpret things this way.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 07:04 PM
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Women like me? Where exactly am I playing the victim? I stated very little about my own personal views, and nothing about my experience being a women (other than reference to the fact that such an experience exists), and for the record I don't label myself a feminist. I never stated men's problems don't exist or are insignificant. Everyone has problems, I have said noting of my own. But I can't speak to what it feels like to be a man anymore than a man can speak to what it's like to be a women. …
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:54 PM
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The irony in the latter half of this post is excruciating, and probably completely invisible to you.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 04:33 PM
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I think the OP, like many other posters in this subreddit, fail completely to comprehend what women actually experiences throughout their lives, why feminism resonates so deeply with many women, and why it can be a very sensitive subject when it is implied (or stated outright) that women's issues don't actually exist, or that those issues are trivial in comparison to men's. It's similar to when a girl is upset about something and a guy blames it on PMS rather than actually listening or thinking …
/r/MensRights13/12/12 04:30 PM
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If you're interested, the full speech can be viewed here A portion of the speech including the quote in question is below: "The experience that you have gone through is in many ways comparable to what happens with domestic violence. Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s …
/r/MensRights12/12/12 09:50 PM
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Weak in what way exactly? I'm curious. I'm also curious why someone who claims to advocate for equality thinks that heterosexual women (like myself) who choose to pursue a career in order to be financially stable and live a fulfilling life should be avoided when it comes to marriage, when no such sentiment is expressed in the reverse. Should straight women or gay men avoid career men as partners as well? Noer's article doesn't warn women against marrying a career man after all. How do you justif…
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:18 AM
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Studies aside, modern marriage is a two-way street This reads as though it is intended to be a normative statement (i.e. stating what things ought to be) - normative statements are not supported by statistics, they are subjective statements about what ought to be. Another example of a normative statement would be, "men ought to have the same rights and responsibilities as women." Saying marriage is a two-way street hardly reeks of raw emotion, so I don't know where you got that from.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 06:08 AM
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a shitty counter-article was put up by some butthurt career-hag. You mean this article? Did you even read it? Funny how some MRAs get offended so easily by women, but when a woman is offended by something and tries to stick up for herself in a reasonable and articulate manner she gets called things like "butthurt career-hag."
/r/MensRights10/12/12 06:22 PM
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