froofrootoo Archive

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–	TRP is common sense explained to autistic men - CMV What wrong turn do you think has frustrated him?	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 06:57 PM
1	Making women feel safe around you is apparently the biggest factor in attraction? Traits that make a man attractive are signals of safety.	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 02:00 AM
1	Making women feel safe around you is apparently the biggest factor in attraction? lol this is actually true though	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/07/23 01:58 AM
0	TRP is common sense explained to autistic men - CMV Cooper's bitterness makes sense (got screwed over in a divorce) but I've never understood Rollo's angle. He's married with a daughter, it doesn't make any sense that he's invested in Red Pill, let alone how emotional and bitter he is about it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/07/23 09:44 PM
1	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break But height and social status aren't mutually exclusive. Height is one of many factors that could give a guy higher status. I wasn't saying that women would choose a tall man over a high social status man - I was saying that women may choose a taller man over a shorter one because increased height is one kind of status that can, in a visceral way, protect from threats. You're right that other types of status are much more relevant for a woman's safety in modern life - a tall poor man would make h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 03:11 AM
3	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break Threats for sure, but also social status. Agreed that it's about social status. But I would also ask, what do you think she wants a man with social status for? I think status too basically returns back to being about protection from threats. Even if bears aren't much of a threat anymore, for women there remains the threat of other men. This is the social/evo advantage of being with the highest status man - the threat of all men below him is neutralized for her.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 02:30 AM
23	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break Yeah I used to think women just want to date a guy who is taller than them (because I think that's what most women say). But I think in reality women don't just want a guy who is tall in relation to themselves, but tall in relation to the the threats they perceive in the world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 01:31 AM
13	The dating market isn't fair and isn't meant to be fair, so we should give young men a break I would wager that women are interested in him, but he's more status-conscious due to his wealth and social circle, so would only want the highest SMV partner. He's probably not striking out, just striking out with women that would actually impress his friends.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/06/23 01:27 AM
6	CMV : You could make the most academically in depth and heartfelt argument in the world about mens lack of sex and relationships, but it doesn’t override needing a WILLING woman to give that to them Sleeping with men out of pity, apparently.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 05:43 PM
2	Women aren't actively competing for older men. you can simply look at some stats and find an absurd discrepancy between what type of men women say they want and who they actually pursue. Yes this part is smart, no disagreement there. Men benefit when they learn there is a difference between what women say they want, and who they pursue. It's the "hear it from women's mouth" part that's the losing game. Expecting this kind of brazen honesty from women is essentially expecting women to be more like men - there are deeply embedded reasons, both…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 05:21 PM
3	Women aren't actively competing for older men. I agree but that’s futile. Most women are biologically hardwired and evolutionary programmed to be socially agreeable, politically correct, and virtue signaling NPCs / sheep. you had this exactly correct until you concluded with NPCs/sheep. Seeing true female nature in a neutral way, and not pejoratively, is objective acceptance that women are not men. You almost had it until you used the pejoratives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 04:31 PM
1	Women aren't actively competing for older men. they are trying to convince women to be honest and transparent about their true preferences instead of hiding behind the mask of political correctness. this is such a losing game	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 04:25 PM
4	Women aren't actively competing for older men. I think women have a much more compromised view of competition than men. Men embrace and endorse competition as something efficient and masculine, while for women because our imperative is more explicitly about community and cooperation, it can be more uncomfortable to acknowledge the role of competition. Comparable to how men are often more uncomfortable acknowledging cooperation and togetherness without being seen as effeminate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 04:25 PM
2	Women aren't actively competing for older men. You're not supposed to reveal it her though, that's kind of key. Follow whatever belief you want, but it's a long shot thinking a woman will find it attractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 04:19 PM
3	Women aren't actively competing for older men. Some women will take shit treatment from HVM while the rest of us think "wow sure glad that isn't me" This is context missing from a lot of PPD debate I think, on both sides. Men who have experience dating HMV women know that personality and other issues often make it not worth it, and same for women who have experience dating HMV men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/06/23 04:16 PM
0	The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored. This is so true. Tbh when men resentfully call other men douchebags they're self-reporting the lower level of respect they receive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 10:29 PM
2	The idea that these countless men who are struggling to get their equivalent are somehow ALL overrating their own appearance is just disingenuous. There are some men who do, sure but as a whole the disproportionate number of attractive men who have voiced this same complaint cannot be ignored. What's the alternative you're suggesting? Exactly. Like go ahead please, just say it out loud.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/23 10:18 PM
9	Can incels be helped? saying that they have tried everything I think the problem is that this is so subjective. We all have different starting points and challenges, and also all individually have our own idea of what "trying everything" is - what for one person is their version of trying everything is someone else's version of trying like 30%. Ultimately only the individual person can decide how much they want something and what they are willing to change and not change in order to get it. I think it's probably true…	/r/ExRedPill	24/06/23 09:01 PM
1	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? The problem is that women refuse to admit this Why do you need women to admit this since you know it's true? You're not wrong. I think there is a certain threshold of attractiveness below which women will simply not even consider men, and to add insult to injury most women are not as honest or forthcoming about how important looks are for them as men are about how much they care about looks. But, this aside, why do you need women to admit this? If it is a true fact and insight you're confident i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:58 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? There is no fixing it through individualized feedback - it's something that's developed over time through experience and reflection. It's much better to move on and find someone who has developed the tact and social skills than to expect yourself to teach/train these skills. I think social skills vary in men just as they do in women, so focus on finding the ones that have them instead of wasting your time with those that don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:48 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? Yet they will still have far more success than the charming uggo. I think any advice that suggests that attractiveness is irrelevant for women is disingenuous. Women obviously do care about looks. If a man is unattractive, he should do his best to become attractive, and obviously that is only possible up to a certain point - after which he would do well to develop the best social skills possible to maximize his chances. Everyone has their own mixed bag of advantages and disadvantages and we can …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:43 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? Yeah that's why it's waay better to learn based on your own interaction rather than advice, because people always given advice that's colored with their own bias and perspective, and leave out things that might be blind spots for you. The best way to learn is to observe reactions directly yourself over time. It's like the difference between reading a business book and starting a business yourself, there's really only so far the book is going to get you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:28 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? Sorry for the double negative - I meant that I agree that being unattractive is a disadvantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:14 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? Doesn’t matter if you’re ugly. I would suggest that the inverse of this is true as well - even if attractiveness has been addressed as the issue, men will still have issues due to poor social skills when interacting with women. Your comments in particular are focused on looks as a limiting factor. A man who is attractive but struggles with relationships would be focused on social skills as a limiting factor.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 09:12 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? I wouldn’t disagree that being unattractive is a disadvantage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 08:56 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? You just proved my point, unfortunately. I said this is a skill that is learned through interaction over time, not through a succinct explanatory sentence.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 08:51 PM
–	Question for Women - Are the Majority of Men too ugly to date or hook up with? I think there is almost no way for men to develop these social skills without increasing the overall amount of time they spend with women, and that's the problem. So many of them are relying on online advice or advice from other men to know how to engage with women, which only takes you so far compared to learning over years the infinite small ways that women react differently to jokes, comments, risque topics than men do. Nothing teaches you like the expression of cringe on her face when you tr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/06/23 08:43 PM
14	"Women dont like guys who are below 6 foot" I dated a guy who was really sensitive about his height even though he was 5”10 - 5”11. Anytime I wore shoes that slightly increased my height he would get kind of irritable because it made us closer in height. He even asked me a few times how tall my dad is. I only realized when I started learning about red pill where his sensitivity was coming from - it was obvious from his other beliefs that he was deep into red pill, and I realized why he thought height was so important.	/r/ExRedPill	03/06/23 02:42 AM
10	What’s your opinion on Fresh & Fit? Bitterness is a huge turnoff, and unfortunately, something that these red pill gurus will never tell you. Once a woman senses that undercurrent of general anger at women, it immediately feels unsafe and she just wants to get out of there.	/r/ExRedPill	31/05/23 06:25 PM
3	What’s your opinion on Fresh & Fit? They can definitely use the show as leverage as well. It has a huge audience, and lot of the women make their money through OF and Instagram, so just the exposure would be incentive.	/r/ExRedPill	31/05/23 06:21 PM
10	What’s your opinion on Fresh & Fit? yeah there was an episode where one of the girls on the show outed Myron for finding her on a sugar baby website, where he has an active profile	/r/ExRedPill	31/05/23 06:20 PM
2	podcasts for ex redpill/belief questioning podcasts? Destiny is one of the most convincing red pill critics I've seen because he doesn't just dismiss it all outright, he actually considers the various arguments carefully, validates the parts that are fair, but ultimately undercuts the core tenets really effectively. He's also even gone on FnF a couple of times, and the guys engaged with him really respectfully (wish they would show that level of respect to all of their guests, but that's never going to happen). Overall he's just an excellent debat…	/r/ExRedPill	30/05/23 10:46 PM
4	Is it true women with high body counts are unable to truly commit to their long term partners? I think this is only valid if you generalize this to apply to men as well. The idea that a high number of partners leads to attachment issues had validity to it, but the idea that it only applies to women is where it falls apart.	/r/ExRedPill	30/05/23 07:52 PM
6	Is it true women with high body counts are unable to truly commit to their long term partners? Yup, it's funny that anything that leads to a woman having more intelligence and wisdom (i.e. age and experience) gets tagged as a "red flag" by red pillers. It's all an elaborate ideology to minimize accountability for male bad behavior, and maximize their leverage and power.	/r/ExRedPill	30/05/23 07:49 PM
47	Men who like to date significantly younger women creep me out(especially within the 18-23 range) Not only is it a problem for all the reasons you stated, but it's also misleading men. I was really surprised when I came across red pillers basically saying that young women love going for older guys, like they are "naturally" interested in older men, and if it weren't for social taboos women in their twenties would totally just go for 40+ men. In reality most women in their twenties think middle-aged men are kind of gross, and especially gross if they're willing to date someone who could be an…	/r/ExRedPill	30/05/23 01:27 AM
6	What are some reasons someone might click with the redpill? This is a very insightful video, thank you for posting.	/r/ExRedPill	24/05/23 04:35 AM
1	The concept of "Game" How is your language not toxic?	/r/ExRedPill	16/05/23 04:42 PM
1	The concept of "Game" A woman being attracted to asshole behavior, whether artificially projected "game" or genuine personality, is a sign of emotional immaturity.	/r/ExRedPill	16/05/23 04:13 PM
2	The concept of "Game" For inexperienced men (most redpillers) yes that might have its appeal in theory, but both experienced men and women realize that the volatility, poor communication skills and general chaos that comes with dating an emotionally immature person is not worth it.	/r/ExRedPill	09/05/23 04:58 AM
7	The concept of "Game" Yup, a woman falling for game is actually a sign of emotional immaturity.	/r/ExRedPill	06/05/23 08:56 PM
3	How do you guys feel about the concept of preselection? I think this is hard to separate from the general halo effect of being seen with attractive people generally. As a woman, I'd be more drawn to an attractive or unattractive man who is mainly around other attractive men. Also in my experience, men tend to approach way more when I'm around attractive women vs less attractive.	/r/ExRedPill	06/05/23 07:27 PM
1	Daily Community Chat Megathread I think he’s also had plastic surgery	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/04/23 01:55 PM
34	When a girl says she loves you, what she loves is what you do for her, how you make her feel and the lifestyle she's able to participate in by being with you. Well put. A lot of people have difficulty accepting that unconditional love is a myth, or that their mother’s love is an inappropriate standard to expect from a partner.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/04/23 02:39 PM
2	Why do men even like women when they hate us so much? "It's clear that women aren't sexually attracted to us" what?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 05:05 AM
1	Your own language/expressions betray you: "lower your standards" Ah I see you're saying. Maybe I'm interpreting typical RP discussion differently, or incorrectly, compared to you, but from what I've read it's not simply that RP emphasizes female body count as a concern, but that women should actually celebrate high body counts in men. I agree that women do not value low body count the same way men do, and even shame male virgins, but it's not like women don't have reason to be concerned about high male body count - there are still issues with "pair bonding," …	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:58 AM
3	Your own language/expressions betray you: "lower your standards" I think I see what you're saying, though this slips into being circular logic - male concern about female body count is justified because....men are concerned about female body count?	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 04:39 AM
1	Your own language/expressions betray you: "lower your standards" Why do you feel men aren't allowed to have standards? So long as they have status and leverage they can do anything they want, regardless of random PPD opinions. It's really the lack of leverage that's the issue.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 03:19 AM
1	Your own language/expressions betray you: "lower your standards" The fact that you acknowledge that it applies to men as well makes you seem much more reasonable than typical RP. I don't think the body count concern is unreasonable at all, it's just weird when it's only applied to women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/04/23 03:09 AM
1	CMV : As a Man i believe using Game and Manipulation is immoral, but i believe u have to do it because otherwise u cant compete, and this is actually sad. I think the issue is the frame wasn’t real. You can’t really maintain frame if it’s fake.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 11:14 PM
2	CMV: pushing RP theories like the wall encourages immature women with very little life experience to make rushed decisions about who’s genes to pass on I largely agree with what you’re saying - older means he’s more likely to have his shit together, and there’s no denying that having better income/resources is an advantage in dating women. What I think doesn’t get enough discussion is that young women are hesitant about crossing large age gaps, even if all things considered the man offers a lot. While the man gets social validation, her peers may call it creepy. Even just take your basketball example - they giggle and crush over the older coach…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 10:29 PM
2	Most people are just children in adult bodies. I think most mature people recognize that most people are just children in adult bodies. When you walk through the world expecting people are going to be rational and emotionally regulated all the time - well, you're going to have a hard time. You're right that right now there's a double standard where it's socially encouraged to call men children and quite taboo to say the same thing about women. What I think is key for successful, mature relationships between men and women is recognizing that …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 09:43 PM
1	CMV : As a Man i believe using Game and Manipulation is immoral, but i believe u have to do it because otherwise u cant compete, and this is actually sad. As a woman who has definitely been gamed, the gaping hole in this strategy that I don't see often addressed is what men are supposed to do after they "get" the girl. Masks can only last so long before a woman sees that it was all performative. I dated a guy who, looking back, used these kinds of tactics at first - i.e. "negging," vocally refusing to pay, backhanded comments about my appearance. I had no idea about PUA or any of this stuff back then, and thought he was just a forthright guy. 3 mo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 09:28 PM
6	CMV: pushing RP theories like the wall encourages immature women with very little life experience to make rushed decisions about who’s genes to pass on That makes total sense, though this is also why I'm confused that so many men enthusiastically support the Andrew Tate/FnF idea of one-way non-monagamy - wouldn't that mean all the high-status men have even more power to take up all the women, even more power than they already have? It seems like monogamy is the only thing slowing down/stopping this future generation of chad-lings.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 09:06 PM
15	Do very attractive men have a hard time respecting women because they know first hand how easy it is to get most woman to cheat with him? Yes I think because she was able to access much better-looking men through business relationships than she could through her looks, it added another layer as well. She wasn't going to be able to run off with these men or even have an affair with them, but she was definitely getting some kind of validation that she wouldn't ordinarily get from men of that status.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 09:01 PM
12	Do very attractive men have a hard time respecting women because they know first hand how easy it is to get most woman to cheat with him? Yeah just by the fact that he was with her I know he wasn't a man with many options - she had psycho hot girl personality while being quite unattractive, it was very confusing. He actually had a reasonably attractive face and with sharp blue eyes. But despite being short, he definitely wasn't compensating for it through his career - he was basically a struggling artist who relied on her income to keep the family afloat.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 08:35 PM
6	Do very attractive men have a hard time respecting women because they know first hand how easy it is to get most woman to cheat with him? This has been my experience as well. I don't necessarily think more attractive guys are more likely to respect/disrespect women, but I think just by virture of the fact that they have (usually) spent more time in close/sexual relationships from an earlier age with women, they understand women better and are less likely to be angry about the fact that women aren't angels because they never really believed that women are angels.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 08:03 PM
27	Do very attractive men have a hard time respecting women because they know first hand how easy it is to get most woman to cheat with him? I've also witnessed women doing this to their unattractive partners and it's incredibly sad and cringe. In the specific example I'm thinking of, while they were both roughly the same level of attractiveness, she was the breadwinner, and the husband was on the shorter side (maybe about 5"6). I watched her openly flirt and giggle with her attractive business partner right in front of her husband, and from his non-reaction it was clear that he basically had no leverage in their marriage to do anyth…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 07:57 PM
7	CMV: pushing RP theories like the wall encourages immature women with very little life experience to make rushed decisions about who’s genes to pass on This has pretty significant implications if true - it means that in the future we'll see a larger and larger percentage of men completely cut out of the mating pool, and more children fathered by a very small pool of men, and/or a large percentage of women just not having children at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 07:39 PM
8	CMV: pushing RP theories like the wall encourages immature women with very little life experience to make rushed decisions about who’s genes to pass on Where I get confused about this is that in my experience younger women are mainly interested in dating guys their age, and find older men unattractive and unappealing. It's really only after 25 that women start maybe considering men 10+ older for dating, but even then it's not the majority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/04/23 07:36 PM
1	Q4M, have you ever rejected a girl because she was too nice? Retards? Have you not heard of Harlequin romance novels? It’s pretty archetypal female sexuality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 03:03 PM
3	Men who advocate for trad relationships, what do you expect your relationship to look like in the future? Yeah it starts to reveal how phoned-in their understanding of male-female differences are. Like yes of course there are plenty of differences, but women are still female humans with drives for status, novelty, power etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 06:25 AM
1	Q4M, have you ever rejected a girl because she was too nice? Wow yes. I learned this more recently than I'd like to admit, and wish I could go back and teach my younger self this exact insight about being a nice girl. I used to try and keep up with male colleagues in meetings/debates by being just as aggressive as them, only to realize how drained it left me and conversely how energized they were. I basically resigned to being passive and nice because I was so exhausted, but to my surprise got a much more positive response from my male colleagues, who wer…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 06:23 AM
1	Q4M, have you ever rejected a girl because she was too nice? This is the challenge with being nice - it often means being seen as naive and then easily taken advantage of. If that weren't the case, I think plenty more women would be much nicer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 03:25 AM
3	Q4M, have you ever rejected a girl because she was too nice? Yes this is such a good point. While obviously men are pretty unlikely to reject a woman for being too nice (at least compared to women rejecting men for the same reason), I think they would be more likely to cite their reasons for rejecting a woman as being that she is too boring, uninteresting, lacking passion etc. Especially if the man has a history of trauma or addiction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 03:22 AM
2	Q4M, have you ever rejected a girl because she was too nice? Yes I'd say this is true, though I'll add that women aren't just looking for dominance, but dominance that they can tame. This is why women tend to like men who are assholes to everyone except themselves over men who are kind to everyone. She's making a bet that she can be the one to tame him, but often this bet falls flat and this is how abusive relationships happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 03:13 AM
5	Men who advocate for trad relationships, what do you expect your relationship to look like in the future? I think a lot of it is just fantasizing for most, it must be. The actual reality of it is a huge financial burden to bear, and only accessible to maybe top 5-10% of earners.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 03:03 AM
5	Men who advocate for trad relationships, what do you expect your relationship to look like in the future? The idea that women must accept it this dynamic only applies if women have few other options. In modern society where women can choose between a so-called high value man who financially provides but also cheats, and the option of independently earned income, most women would rather make their own money and not deal with a cheater. These podcasts would have you think women fantasize about being cheated on -in reality it's most women's worst fear.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 02:58 AM
3	Men using women for their bodies is basically the same as women using men for their resources (money, status, attention and so on), in terms of how it feels. Right, this really isn't mentioned enough. Also, if all women remain virgins and all men still sleep around to get experience, who are the men sleeping around with...? Married women? I don't really understand the arguments being put forward in this thread.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/04/23 02:52 AM