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even having ugly girls make an attempt is at least validating. most men dont even get that.
/r/MensRights20/11/24 01:22 AM
2

aka most men lol most men dont get any interest at least not overt.
/r/MensRights20/11/24 01:19 AM
0

why is anyone surprised that incels dont want to work the same as men with families
/r/MensRights19/11/24 09:45 PM
5

100% I've known a few.
/r/MensRights19/11/24 09:44 PM
10

Cause we're brainwashed to serve a system that increasingly fucks over everyone but the elite.
/r/MensRights14/11/24 03:28 PM
7

Women were already ignoring most men, nothing will change
/r/MensRights08/11/24 12:39 PM
6

bingo. So many men are incels that they ignore and make fun of. A lot of those men voted for trump. you cant withhold sex from incels.
/r/MensRights08/11/24 12:07 AM
3

they already dont fuck men, they fuck chad
/r/MensRights08/11/24 12:05 AM
8

Just ignore women.
/r/MensRights05/11/24 03:00 AM
-1

If trump loses this election the blame is on men. Women are out voting in droves for abortion. Men sit on their assess and watch their country go to shit for abortion.
/r/MensRights04/11/24 01:29 PM
7

He's not perfect but he's way betetr than the shit you're about to get. to pretend like there's no difference is to be blind.
/r/MensRights03/11/24 02:33 AM
1

This is stupid logic because things will get a lost worse. The system isnt worth saving so fuck yourself even harder in your only life?
/r/MensRights03/11/24 02:32 AM
-4

yup. This is why I think im done with this sub. Men just want to bitch and moan, they wont vote for anything better for themselves
/r/MensRights02/11/24 02:36 PM
23

Men are never going to make progress because they are too apathetic to even go vote against the man hating radical feminist party. You dont have to love the right, but the people on the left hate your guts. And men will sit by, bitch and moan on reddit instead of vote for something better for themselves
/r/MensRights02/11/24 02:28 PM
18

The pink pussy hat man hating radical feminists are supporting Harris. Vote against them
/r/MensRights02/11/24 02:27 PM
19

yes. let women go fight. this country told men to fuck off, why fight for it
/r/MensRights02/11/24 02:26 PM
14

"if every man was billionaire there'd be no problem!" Well thats no remotely reality. We cant all be rich. We never were all rich. That this has become the standard is the issue itself. Average men are average.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 12:23 PM
53

The problem is simply that most men dont meet the standards for women anymore. Many men are disqualified at a basic level of attraction. The standard for a non good looking man to get a woman today is so absurd that most men cant reach it. So of course they arent having kids, many of these man cant even get a date. Women just dont want most men at a raw level. Nothing can even change this core truth.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 11:39 AM
25

Women dont get married to have children. Single moms are everywhere, they just get pregnant whenever they want and dont feel the need for marriage.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 11:37 AM
-14

Then shut up and stop complaining if you men wont even work for men. Seriously. Keeping bitching and moaning instead of working together to solve our problems. Pathetic men
/r/MensRights01/11/24 11:35 AM
22

this is so spot on. The idea that all these incels with no experience will just have successful relationships in their 30s when they have no experience, with women who have tons of experience, isnt reality.
/r/MensRights30/10/24 02:42 PM
5

They really dont understand that men arent women.
/r/MensRights21/10/24 12:36 PM
18

Im not surprised. I see someone actual love out there but I also see women who very clearly didnt get the man they actually wanted and are just trying to settle and its honestly embarrassing. Dont be that guy. Just stay single if thats your only option
/r/MensRights21/10/24 12:34 PM
1

100%
/r/MensRights05/10/24 02:53 PM
1

I meant dating options. Most men right now dont have anyone interested. you cant raise standards when you have no choices to begin with.
/r/MensRights05/10/24 02:52 PM
8

Men with no options cant raise their standards
/r/MensRights05/10/24 03:21 AM
3

those groups are insane
/r/MensRights20/09/24 11:22 AM
1

Men cant afford to have standards
/r/MensRights07/09/24 07:17 PM
2

Insane. Anything to be the victims
/r/MensRights05/08/24 03:02 PM
11

It doesnt really work like that. If the woman isnt attracted to the 5, nothing is going to change that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/07/24 02:12 AM
22

Overall at least this is honest, but the part about "most men dont know HOW to create attraction" is stupid. A lot of it comes down to just how you look. Women have a very narrow set of features that they are attracted to and its not possible to say some magic words to make her attracted if you dont fit it. I really hate the narrative that there's some magic skill to making women want to fuk you. If you simply dont have the looks, in reality there's not much you can do to change it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/24 12:22 PM
17

amazing post, spot on
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/24 12:20 PM
2

facts
/r/MensRights27/06/24 01:38 AM
28

Well said. Its funny how articles like this usually never bring this aspect up. The main reason men aren't working is because they see nothing to work for. And in the past it was often the desire to attract women and have a family that motivated men. That is becoming less realistic for an increasing number of men and so they dont see the point anymore.
/r/MensRights26/06/24 04:43 PM
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We've removed the incentives for young men to work. If you cant afford a house, cant get a girlfriend or have a family, what the hell is the need to really work? for what? Men are motivated primarily as providers. Otherwise there's no real reason for them to do this shit.
/r/MensRights26/06/24 04:39 PM
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Men need to make it mean something. Wish the fathers in your life a happy day, call them out and acknowledge the role they're playing in their family's life and for society.
/r/MensRights17/06/24 12:40 PM
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Extremely well said
/r/MensRights14/06/24 04:57 AM
5

we're all incels with no families. Why the fuck would we work and be productive. to what end?
/r/MensRights13/06/24 03:49 PM
3

I said this in another thread. Nobody is entitled to an specific woman, but men in general are entitled to dating opportunities in general. You cant have a functioning society where so many men cant get a date. thats a broken society.
/r/MensRights11/06/24 09:30 PM
1

Can you read? Did you read my full post? If so.....wtf is your comment supposed to mean.
/r/MensRights11/06/24 12:07 PM
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Theres absolutely validity to them and thats why they've gotten popular. it reflects the lived experience of many men out there today. That doesnt mean they get everything but valid in a lot of ways absolutely
/r/MensRights10/06/24 09:44 PM
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I mean I get it. There are some ultra incel types who rage when they've been rejected too many times or whatever. Now, that might be conflating frustration with thinking that they feel "owed", so it probably isnt the right term. But theres definitely a growing group of men who feel kind of slighted that nobody wants them, including me. I dont think im "owed" a date but I think a society where someone as put together as me cant get one is fucked up. In other words, nobody is owed a date with a pa…
/r/MensRights10/06/24 09:37 PM
21

Women dont even want men to pursue them, they want Chad to pursue them.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 06:37 PM
3

Yea whatever, I dont have kids. I'll enjoy the fall
/r/MensRights21/05/24 04:07 PM
49

Yea I couldnt careless about them. Its what they wanted, deal with it
/r/MensRights20/05/24 02:50 PM
12

The guys that like her just arent good enough!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/05/24 09:41 PM
1

Stay strong everyone. Life can be worth living.
/r/MensRights14/05/24 09:44 PM
3

It wont make it worse. These men have no other options. At least its SOMETHING.
/r/MensRights10/05/24 11:33 PM
3

If you arent a woman or a chad GET OFF DATING APPS
/r/MensRights10/05/24 11:32 PM
1

yea, if only chads and women were on it you'd need women to start paying to get to the front of Chad's line. And they definitely would pay.
/r/MensRights10/05/24 09:22 PM
1

chad should be on it
/r/MensRights10/05/24 11:22 AM
6

it works with chad and thats enough
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:21 PM
2

they turn to the apps because nothing else is working either
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:20 PM
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Yes it is. Half of all relationships start that way. You cant have it be that common and say its not real life.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:18 PM
6

Wrong. it it is not about supply and demand. its about the distribution of the likes. There could be more women than men on these apps, but the vast majority of the attention will still go to the top men.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 06:17 PM
2

We dont even get that low quality woman, we're getting nobody.
/r/MensRights07/05/24 10:26 PM
2

npnw
/r/MensRights07/05/24 10:25 PM
2

NAILED IT
/r/MensRights07/05/24 10:09 PM
5

Why work? we dont have families or dreams anymore. I would work for a woman I loved and family but im never going to have it so whats the point? My hobbies are cheap.
/r/MensRights07/05/24 10:08 PM
1

This cant possibly be true. Women are everywhere. Get involved in real life. There will be women. They exist. They arent hiding anywhere I think its a myth that theres no other way, unless you live in a super remote area.
/r/MensRights06/05/24 05:57 PM
1

Yes you will if you're a normal human being with physical and emotional needs.
/r/MensRights05/05/24 02:37 AM
1

That only works if you're attractive. If you are unattractive you'll just get nothing. Ask me how I know
/r/MensRights05/05/24 01:46 AM
1

but chad will always been on the apps and he's enough
/r/MensRights04/05/24 05:54 PM
1

Nah, thats the point. you dont have to be some cave troll to struggle in dating as man right now. Most of my guy friends are single and rarely if ever even get a date. They're all relatively average looking men with good jobs and a social life. The women around us simply arent that interested, they go online and find hotter men.
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:35 AM
3

well said
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:32 AM
2

They're just lonely disappointed men who need help. I dont know what society expects men like that to do. Just accept a shitty lonely life and shut up?
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:27 AM
12

lol maybe if you're hot that happens. most of us arent going to get much attention no matter what we do.
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:25 AM
62

Dating apps are garbage. Get off of them
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:24 AM
8

Are you kidding me? That still better than most men are doing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/24 08:24 PM
0

Thats me. Im fairly inexperienced but what I did learn is that I have no interest in sex with someone I dont feel anything for.
/r/MensRights24/04/24 07:56 PM
2

I used to think this was going to be a thing, but now I dont think so. I think men have been effectively pacified enough that they wont cause any major violence or revolutions. What you will get is is Skyrocketing suicide Increase in crime and violence but nothing organized at a group level Men that dont work Men that dont care about society at large Men that retreat into things like video games and porn We're already seeing these things happen in fact.
/r/MensRights09/04/24 06:49 PM
2

why do you think these men would bother going to fight? No way in hell they would
/r/MensRights09/04/24 06:45 PM
2

the girls arent going to show love to these men though
/r/MensRights09/04/24 06:44 PM
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women control the narrative and always will. Regular decent men who arent attractive enough are invisible and people act like we dont exist.
/r/MensRights08/04/24 06:48 PM
5

lol. saw this woman in a clip before blaming Sports Betting for men not buying houses or dating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhcro1YovWE&ab_channel=CNBCTelevision ​ When will people ever admit the reality. Single, lonely men A. Dont need to buy fucking houses. B. Need other things to do with their time. Being single is the CAUSE of these things, not the other way around.
/r/MensRights03/04/24 11:01 PM
1

its a scooby doo mystery. how could this happen!?!?
/r/MensRights03/04/24 12:45 PM
2

Women are fucked up in the head and will misattribute the anxiety/fear/etc to attraction. or the guy in question is genuinely attractive and they just dont care.
/r/MensRights02/04/24 12:42 PM
8

Cant choose to not marry when nobody is interested in the first place.
/r/MensRights01/04/24 08:37 PM
9

A lot of us are in the same boat OP. There are a million different responses to the situation, as you mentioned. Which one is up to you, let me just say the 'rope' solution aint it man. Dont throw away your one chance at life. Experience at least a few things you love as much as possible. Like even if its just food, enjoy eating good chit as much as you can.
/r/MensRights31/03/24 05:26 PM
9

Yes, you want to be a doctor but you cannot be. So that would be involuntary.
/r/MensRights15/03/24 06:08 PM
0

I exist
/r/MensRights15/03/24 04:42 AM
1

Im an incel and I dont know of any subculture.
/r/MensRights15/03/24 12:13 AM
3

Incel means involuntarily celibate, regardless of whatever reason you blame for that
/r/MensRights14/03/24 05:50 PM
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eh the original MGTOW sub was just a bunch of incels pretending they were choosing to be alone lol
/r/MensRights14/03/24 05:49 PM
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I'm an incel as in involuntarily celibate. I'm a completely normal person, I dont hate women, im just a regular guy that cant get laid to save his life. Most incels are just like me. We're the random guy you know who you like. He just hasnt gotten laid in a decade.
/r/MensRights14/03/24 04:09 PM
1

Life has no meaning without wage slavery!
/r/MensRights13/03/24 10:39 PM
1

Everyone as in stats, data, studies, and normal human beings without an agenda
/r/MensRights13/03/24 10:38 PM
1

Its not heavily biased when everyones saying the same thing
/r/MensRights13/03/24 01:31 AM
1

attraction isnt negotiable
/r/MensRights13/03/24 01:31 AM
1

women dont care about ugly men with attitude problems
/r/MensRights13/03/24 01:30 AM
6

Most men dont have any options so they ignore those flags because the alternative is constant loneliness.
/r/MensRights11/03/24 09:46 PM
6

why? We have direct data on what women do.
/r/MensRights11/03/24 09:40 PM
-7

being single also means never having sex and being lacking in several forms of intimacy and never having a family. can we stop glorifying this shit? Nobody wants to be alone.
/r/MensRights11/03/24 09:38 PM
2

This is such nonsense. They like him because they are attracted to him physically and maybe he has $$$. ​ Women dont give a fuck about unattractive men regardless of how 'confident' they are.
/r/MensRights11/03/24 09:37 PM
1

That would never be allowed because it would collapse society. the male sex drive is the force behind a lot of what makes the world work.
/r/MensRights09/03/24 04:22 PM
2

I mean......when you look at onlyfans since etc its hard to not to believe it
/r/MensRights09/03/24 02:42 PM
6

They will only give likes to chad. they'd rather delete the app and be alone if they cant get who they want.
/r/MensRights06/03/24 05:05 PM
4

the men staying dont pay though. chad doesnt pay
/r/MensRights06/03/24 05:04 PM
1

Why pay money to barely get any results if any? There's a lot of suckers out there but they're starting to learn
/r/MensRights06/03/24 03:22 AM
6

Try being a man
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/24 03:20 PM
2

men banging tons of women is not slutty, its an accomplishment because its hard for men to get laid. That means he has qualities women like and reward him with sex. A woman who lets a million men fuk her says nothing but thats she a hoe. There is nothing to proud of for a woman, because sex for a woman is so easy to get they could do it for work.
/r/MensRights20/01/24 02:13 PM
1

I think its an insane concept that will unfortunately be something desperate men have to turn to
/r/MensRights11/01/24 04:04 AM
2

Women like hooking up too, especially with relatively attractive men. This idea that women hate fucking hot guys has to go away. They are doing it because they like doing it. If they didnt, there's many other men they could choose to date but they choose to do this instead.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 09:37 PM
5

This is flawed thinking because women and hot men do just fine online. So if only the men women dont want left, nothing would change.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 05:47 PM
1

Yup, they know a lot of men are being fooled and they dont want to provide the means to prevent it.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 01:34 PM
2

I'm not on the apps and I still feel like shit. It doesnt matter.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 02:32 AM
2

eh, the main issue is being lonely and single whether you do the apps or not.
/r/MensRights08/01/24 01:44 AM
4

The answer, which nobody wants to say, is not about where you look its about being attractive. BE ATTRACTIVE. All of a sudden it wont matter where you are, women will be interested. And if you arent attractive? It doesnt matter where you are they arent interested
/r/MensRights07/01/24 10:43 PM
11

Not everything he says is true, but he says the truth about modern dating with no bullshit and when these guys hear that they say 'hey he's the only one telling it like it is about this, I'll hear him out on everything else'.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 10:27 PM
10

I'm speaking from offline experience.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 08:36 PM
9

eh believe whatever you want but I know women doing this and i know the men doing it. And I also know the incels being left including myself.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 08:21 PM
14

They arent fake, women are having sex with them lol. This is the entire problem. Average women dont want average men. Most women are chasing the top men who are having sex with all of them while other men turn into angry incels. ​ And then when they try to talk about it they get gaslit.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 08:02 PM
1

If they dont look at 95% of their matches, what difference would it make if those men went away? They would just have 5% gigachad matches which is what they want.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 07:48 PM
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If all the men that women dont want in the first place got off the apps, nothing would change. they dont want those men
/r/MensRights07/01/24 07:30 PM
51

Society doesnt want to admit there's a problem, because then there'd be an expectation to address it. ​ Instead, the strategy is silence men and/or gaslight them that the problem is them by selling a 'just world fallacy' in regards to dating. And then men seek out those willing to tell them the truth like Andrew Tate and everyone is so surprised.
/r/MensRights07/01/24 06:37 PM
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pretending like tinder is the only problem is part of the issue. The problems go well beyond the dating apps but men get gaslit when they try to talk about it
/r/MensRights07/01/24 06:35 PM
2

Let me put it a bit more clearly. In an ideal world, every woman would be married to giga chad who has only ever laid eyes on her. In reality, because Giga chad is Giga chad, he very likely has been with many women This does not stop women from wanting Giga chad AT ALL. They still will take him if they can get him, because they want the best man they can get and he is the best regardless of how many women he's been with. So yes, its not that they dont care at all, they would prefer if he only ev…
/r/MensRights30/12/23 04:20 PM
4

'If you dont want to marry a whore you're a misogynist'
/r/MensRights30/12/23 02:05 PM
20

Let them keep believing that. If they are so sure they're better off without men, let them have it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/12/23 04:52 AM
1

I'm saying that if a woman is already treating herself like that, I wont mind treating her that way as well but thats not the kind of person id ever consider marrying. Its not hypocritical because there's a difference between a woman having lots of sex and a man having lots of sex. For one thing, for a man to get a lot of sex he has to have some positive qualities that allow him to do so, that make him attractive enough to do so. For a woman, she just has to spread her legs and basically she can…
/r/MensRights30/12/23 04:30 AM
21

Whenever you hear any woman saying this, laugh in her face. They are trying to shame men into accepting disgustingly slutty women as our wives and mothers to our children. ​ They want it both ways. They want to get turned inside out by 100 men and then they want YOU to give her the queen treatment. Do not be that guy. If women want that, they need to keep their legs closed when the football team comes by. its unbecoming and disgusting behavior. Not wife material. But i''ll be # 105 on her body c…
/r/MensRights29/12/23 06:00 PM
1

I agree with that
/r/MensRights22/12/23 08:19 PM
3

Society doesnt want to admit that women might be doing something wrong, therefore all the lonely men have to be blamed for their situation somehow. ​ its a disaster
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:44 PM
2

Wait till you get older. There are many needs that friends can fulfill
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:41 PM
2

Cold approaching women is an even dumber idea. And its not like those women you find arent also on apps talking to 100 guys. It doesnt make a difference.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:36 PM
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Dude dont bother, dating apps are so common now that nobody can say 'its only trash women'. Most of my friends have tried them and they arent trash. Many good women and relationships and marriages as well coming from it. I think the problem is the good ones get off quick. They arent searching for perfect super man, they are just searching for a good guy and with all the options they find him quick and get off. ​ I would agree that women who are CHRONICALLY on the apps have some serious issues be…
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:34 PM
2

The dating apps are extremely common now. Its how most people meet, they arent all trash women. Would you really meet a woman in person and reject her if you find she's ever tried an app?
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:31 PM
2

The women still have inflated standards because they know they can get 100 guys in line whenever they want.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:29 PM
19

I think society will collapse sooner than that
/r/MensRights18/12/23 05:29 PM
8

When people get the advice of 'it gets better, just work on yourself and then it'll work out', there's a misunderstanding of what it actually means. Men make the mistake of automatically envisioning their dream girl at the end of the gauntlet, but thats not what it means the vast majority of the time. it means 'well before you got nothing, now you can get old single moms!!'. Technically thats better than nothing, but is that worth the grind? Hell to the no. ​ There is no winning for undesirable …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen14/12/23 02:22 PM
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Betas need to realize they're only ever settled for. And thats a bad idea. just stay alone if you arent what these women really want
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/12/23 01:39 PM
3

Well for women it could also be that she held out for chad but didnt get him. But thats also a red flag
/r/MensRights04/12/23 03:16 AM
5

Its a scam so that older lower value women have hoards of higher quality desperate men to fall back on.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 02:52 AM
5

It'll be dangerous times when all the guys realize they were lied to and they were actually manipulated into essentially distracting themselves with nonsense that was never going to make a difference.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 02:49 AM
9

the chance at a fat middle aged single mom
/r/MensRights04/12/23 02:45 AM
9

Its a cop out because women themselves pretend this is not true and gaslight about it.
/r/MensRights04/12/23 02:43 AM
13

Imagine telling a lonely woman " Shut the fuck up, you arent entitled to shit. Become a beautiful big titty super model that fucks like a porn star or die alone and shut the fuck up loser. " ​ its insane how men are treated on this issue
/r/MensRights04/12/23 02:34 AM
0

How does it worsen gyocracy?
/r/MensRights29/11/23 01:35 PM
2

Ok, I didnt claim otherwise. Incels are still better off having access to prostitutes than literally never ever being able to have sex.
/r/MensRights29/11/23 01:35 PM
0

There exists people who are happy homeless, who are happy sick etc etc. There are people capable of enduring anything, there's some strong people out there. It doesnt change the fact that most people will not be happy like thatt. Its not because societal pressure. its human nature and biology. The amount of men who will say that their lives turned around because they found someone and were able to build a life, or even just started actually having a sex life and got more motivated, is staggering…
/r/MensRights29/11/23 01:34 PM
1

I'm talking about men who cant find anyone that wants to be with them, even if their life depended on it. Very different than people remaining celibate by choice as you described. Also, yes of course sex is overhyped. You ever heard the saying bad is stronger than good? When it comes to most of our human needs, the pain of the absence of those needs feels a lot worse than the presence of those needs feel good. For example, eating food everyday is nice, but compared to the pain of starving to dea…
/r/MensRights29/11/23 01:38 AM
3

Why would they want to be settled with after working hard to be successful?
/r/MensRights28/11/23 05:24 PM
2

Most of the men I know are incels, as in they get little to no attention from women. They're completely normal men and many are successful and mature. They arent autistic. they still get little to no attention from women. ​ the typical incel isnt some weird guy, its the 5/10 unremarkable guy that women no longer see any value in.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:50 PM
1

how old are you, where do you live, what race are you, how tall are you, and what do the women you get look like? Answer these before shitting on incels.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:48 PM
3

Like or not, but the reality is man's value is highly tied to getting women. If you're rejected at this most base level and essentially told 'you arent good enough for a family or worthy of love', society will never respect you. Its the the ultimate form of a failure in human nature.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:47 PM
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I believe it. Most incels are incel because of things you cant really do anything about. if you're unattractive because you're short or ugly, there's not much you can do about it and most incels are in this situation.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 02:08 AM
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Its both. You can identify as incel, but a lot of men are effectively incel(they cant get a gf even if they wanted one) regardless of if they identify as one.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 02:07 AM
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Porn doesnt solve any of those things either though. but its still an outlet for the pent up desire and frustration. Prostitution is another version of that. Doesnt solve the actual problem but is an avenue of release. Its an important one, i wish it was legal where I live so I could at least occasionally get laid.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:23 AM
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Oh yea, I didnt mean it would totally fix the problem but it would be a better way to pacify incels than just porn. Thats all I meant.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 12:10 AM
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yea true, it'll be way too late
/r/MensRights27/11/23 11:10 PM
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There "avg people are in relationships all the time" is extremely flawed and false. Its not even true anymore, I'm sure you're familar with famous study now that 63% of young men are single and only 30% of young women are single. The average man is not in a relationship anymore. People look at older generations and assume things will play out the same way, which isnt going to happen. Another famous study projections that by 2030 50% of women will remain single for life. So, again, the average ma…
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:47 PM
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I dont think they do understand, otherwise they would legalize prostitution(in the usa)
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:26 PM
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there's a 3rd option which is a slow rot and decay. Economy slows down as men have less incentive to work, crime goes up etc etc. I think thats more likely than anything dramatic. Just a slow rot until things stagnate enough that Non incels and women finally feel pain and decide to actually care about this.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:26 PM
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Men also find most women attractive so its less of an issue.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:22 PM
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Men are attracted to the vast majority of women though. Its a different situation with women who arent attracted to 95% of men.
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:20 PM
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do you have the study?
/r/MensRights27/11/23 10:17 PM
1

this is kind of silly. If you're willing to have a kid with someone you should be willing to get married.
/r/MensRights26/11/23 03:49 PM
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thats a long way to say ' be attractive'
/r/MensRights14/11/23 10:23 PM
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"Many of us know these terrific men — they’re our friends, our relatives, our colleagues — and would love to meet someone similar". ​ There you have it, the terrific men are just friends cause they arent rich or hot enough
/r/MensRights14/11/23 10:13 PM
3

you also need to be white
/r/AllPillDebate13/11/23 07:25 PM
2

yes it is, you need to be attractive
/r/MensRights09/11/23 01:57 PM
1

Its called Hoeflation OP and its very real.
/r/MensRights09/11/23 01:55 PM
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eh, its easy for men who get/have gotten women to say its a waste of time after they have their fill. if they were sexless and starving for their needs to be met, a lot harder to say. Of course video games are more entertaining than women but you cant fuck your tv screen and have a family.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 09:43 PM
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Yea, I meant that the trend of men being single/sexless while playing videogames on a friday night INSTEAD of trying to get dates, is cope. Its not because they dont want women, its because they cant get women and need something else to do. Videogames are fun and distracting and take up time. perfect for a lonely man with nothing really going on in his life.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 01:29 PM
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'Dating sucks for everyone' No, it sucks for men. Women make it hard on themselves by having crazy standards and putting good men in the friendzone. ​ 'You have to be happy alone first' No, if I was happy alone I wouldnt bother with any of this bullshit in the first place. I would just stay happy doing what I was doing. ​ 'You need to improve yourself' no, it comes down to luck and physical attractiveness. Being a better person doesnt matter if you never get a chance to begin with because you do…
/r/AllPillDebate07/11/23 01:14 AM
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the general trend of single lonely sexless men says otherwise. These men CAnT get women. ​ I'm not saying only these guys play games, a lot of people play games regardless. But I'm saying the trend of men playing games and watching porn instead of going for women is because these men are largely unsuccessful with women. If these guys knew they could have some success with women they would at least do that more often.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 07:18 PM
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when you get rejected anyway, may as well stay home and fap/game. the incentive to do otherwise is gone.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 04:23 PM
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Because in our society you're not allowed to blame women for anything. ​ its very obvious that porn and games are a RESPONSE to rejection. The idea that men are choosing to fap and play games over getting women is a joke. The problem is these guys cant get women so they look for things to cope.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 04:15 PM
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I've been banned from other subs and forums just for speaking on the subject. Called an incel and shamed and banned. its a joke. Society doesnt want rejected men to speak. They want us to shut up and pay our taxes.
/r/MensRights06/11/23 04:07 PM
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you live the best life you can without wasting time on lies and delusion
/r/AllPillDebate05/11/23 02:38 PM
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The 'nice guy' thing has something to it. Women dont want men pretending to be their friends just in the hopes of getting laid down the line. and lets be honest, it happens a lot. ​ However, yes if anyone tells you 'being nice' has anything to do with attraction, immediately ignore that person. Women dont care how you treat you them, they care how attractive you are. If they find you attractive, halo effect will make anything else you do tolerable, including even abuse and cheating sometimes
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 01:56 PM
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Right? everyone on the internet knows him but he's has no online presence whatsoever. weird.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 01:51 PM
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Not how it works. You have to take those men at large and compare them to the lonely invisible men at home. ​ if you do that, you're going to see the lonely invisible are clearly much less attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 01:49 PM
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The difference is that the data back up those guys. We can look at online dating data, the rise of single/sexless men, the rise of Andrew tate etc and many other things that all point to those guys being right about whats happening. There is NO evidence for the 4'11 bald indian janitor. Even if he exists its very obvious he's the outlier.
/r/AllPillDebate04/11/23 11:42 AM
0

If you have to punch really far down, I wouldnt say you're doing fine
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 08:56 PM
1

I said observable reality, not personal experience. Observable reality includes all available data and studies and trends and experiences outside of yourself. Thats all observed. ​ The first 2 are some of the most basic observable facts that there is. The best athletes are the best because they are bigger stronger and faster than most other people. There are exceptions but this is VERY obvious. In most fields, IQ is more predictive of success than anything else. This truth gets suppressed a bit …
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 06:35 PM
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based off of observable reality. Exceptions exist, but generally the most successful people in any given field have higher IQs, the most successful athletes have more natural talent, the most attractive men are most attractive because of genetic features. The list goes on and on. To deny this is to be blind to reality.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 06:02 PM
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you dont start with defeatism. you should try your best and see how you can do. But the vast majority of the time you will realize you cant compete if you dont have the genetics. At that point, only an idiot keeps wasting his time and effort.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:58 PM
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go off king
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 04:55 PM
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It depends why you are incel, but yes a lot of the time men get down on themselves over this when there's really nothing they could have done about it. its not healthy to blame yourself for things you cant control or do anything about.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:57 PM
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The problem isn't mental health. Loneliness has been proven to be a deadly state of being. The problem isn't mental health, the problem is the loneliness itself. ​ There is no reason to improve yourself if the results arent going to change. Which they will not for many of these men in this situation. Women are to blame. their shallowness is a big part of the problem. Genetics are to blame, which your parents gave you. Emotions are not things you choose. They are things you can suppress, but that…
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:56 PM
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TOUCH GRASS!!!!
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:54 PM
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You could, but the point is in a competitive environment, you're still going to lose. You're not going to get the girl, or win the race, or win the fight or get the job if you're genetically inferior in these important ways.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:53 PM
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You cant take responsibility for something you cant control. Thats just another way to frustrate yourself and make yourself miserable
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:52 PM
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American women are low quality and fat, but I would say to be careful. If you arent desirable in America, you likely wont be anywhere else but women will use you for money etc. The exception to this is white men going to Asia or sometimes Africa.
/r/AllPillDebate02/11/23 12:34 PM
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Your example of climate change is very different though, because I think we know why people deny the facts. There are various political motivations and biases that ifluence people's opinions on that. ​ Blackpill isnt the same situation. it isnt very clear why random joe blow bluepillers are so motivated to deny that the sky is blue.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 08:22 PM
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its over
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 06:50 PM
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I dont agree thats there's no way of changing things. There's a lot we can do, but people just dont want to. Regulate or eliminate social media and dating apps, Stop these feminist movements and promote Men. Offer assistance for men to get cosmetic surgery legalize sex work Immigration policy that lets in young single women Instead of fat acceptance, do a big cultural push for the value of men and attractiveness of men who arent chads the list goes on. We simply arent willing, because people don…
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 05:52 PM
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Exactly. combine these things and.......what is a man living for now? What's supposed to his motivation? I've heard theories that porn, videogames, weed and other vices are the only things that can stop us from a serious crisis. Because men are coping with these things instead of really revolting. Hell, I myself am doing that so I believe others are too.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:58 PM
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But like, we have countless studies confirming all of this. From rising singleness and lonliness, to the way women behave with online dating, to women openly saying it. ​ Like how do people literally ignore ALL evidence other than their own anecdotal?
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:40 PM
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But thats the thing, nobody is saying women are bad. We're just saying they're more like men in some of these things than many have believed. But they refuse to even let that truth get spoken.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:37 PM
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I think some of this is because left wingers would feel a responsbility to fix the issue if they admitted it all the true factors. They, by their own values, think you're a bad person if you tell someone 'bootstraps' regarding economic issues. ​ So by extension, they have to delude themselves that the dating market is an entirely different situation and thus dont need to solve anything.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:36 PM
2

But I mean, surely they see fat women with better looking men, but they dont deny fat phobia.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:31 PM
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This is starting to happen, for more reasons than the black pill, but the black pill is a BIG part of it. Without even the hope of a relationship or a family, men become very dangerous with nothing to lose. Also, this https://nopussynowork.org/home
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:29 PM
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2 main things. They want to feel better about themselves. if you acknowledge the blackpill, it impacts how much you can build your own ego based on some of these things. They dont want to feel like they have any responsbilty to do anything to fix it. So, they deny the problem entirely.
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:26 PM
1

Its true. A lot of women pick billy beta rather be single
/r/AllPillDebate01/11/23 04:04 PM
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People in America and Europe report vastly different experiences. That alone is proof, unless people are lying for no reason. ​ If you're telling me 'anyone who isnt weird gets a gf in europe', thats very very different than the USA right now.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:18 PM
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The USA and Europe are very different. I've also heard its better in Europe from many people. So doesnt surprise me to hear that.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 08:17 PM
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The blackpill is correct, has been proven many times and is ultimately just common sense. I dont know where you live, but the overall data where I live shows record numbers of men being single and not/rarely having sex. The trend is only getting worse as women prefer to stay single or hook up with good looking guys over be in a relationship with billy beta.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 04:30 PM
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So, if I as a man have 100 women ask me out and I reject all of them and blame the state of the dating market, do you think anyone would agree with that and say I have it so tough? The answer is no, in fact as a man if I have any standards whatsoever I'm told the problem is ME and that I need to lower them. ​ But for some reason when women do this en masse, the problem is the dating market? Ok.
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:42 AM
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I dont care how it operates, objectively any reasonable woman will have no issues dating right now. they will very easily find a decent guy the record amounts that are single. the only problem is most of them dont want just a decent guy. thats their problem, not the dating market
/r/AllPillDebate31/10/23 02:17 AM
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all women have to do is have reasonable standards and they can easily find a good if not extraordinary guy. that isnt awful.
/r/AllPillDebate30/10/23 03:25 PM
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Scrapes as in 'few options with little to no choice left'. Figure of speech. Obviously. I also never said anything about deserving anything
/r/AllPillDebate26/10/23 03:24 PM
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Yup, women all chasing the same smaller group of men leaving the rest with scrapes.
/r/AllPillDebate25/10/23 12:53 PM
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I expect her to value herself enough that football teams worth of men havent fucked her. Something reasonable, only with men that took her seriously in a real relationship. None of these high body count hookup women.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:59 PM
1

That your point is wrong......if women didnt work it WOULD help things for single men
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 03:57 PM
1

Its gaslighting.
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:47 AM
1

rent a room in a house op
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:25 AM
1

if women didnt work salaries for men would go up
/r/AllPillDebate24/10/23 01:24 AM
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They all want the same top guys.
/r/MensRights23/10/23 03:57 PM
1

Accept that you arent wanted and move on
/r/MensRights23/10/23 03:52 PM
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I'm 5 foot 3, not white, and mediocre face. Its impossible. Women are too picky. I do everything you're supposed to do, women just arent interested they have high standards now.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 03:42 PM
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Because I dont want to feel like the entire world fucked my wife for free and I'm the one giving her commitment. ​ It doesnt matter for men, because the men who have high body counts are usually the most desirable men. Whereas, there's no correlation to quality and body count for a woman. it literally just depends how easy she is to fuck, how easily she'll give it up.
/r/AllPillDebate23/10/23 03:36 PM
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Yes, women would rather stay single than lower their standads
/r/AllPillDebate22/10/23 10:29 PM
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Of course not.
/r/AllPillDebate22/10/23 12:24 AM
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if you see it you'll know. its an entirely different world
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:21 PM
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The 80-20 rule isnt literal. the exact % isnt relevant. the point of it, is the general pattern that the vast majority of women want the same minority of men and the consequences that come from that, which we see in the dating market today with tons of men out of luck, women getting used etc.
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 06:20 PM
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How the fuck would I know
/r/AllPillDebate20/10/23 02:15 AM
2

Thankyou. Black men should not be insulting our own women in front of other races. its fucking embarrassing.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 09:05 PM
1

What does a hot black girl who isnt ghetto have to do with that? That would make her even more rare/ impressive to be with.
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 09:03 PM
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No. If she's attractive she's attractive. White guys that lose respect for women that date black guys are just blatant racists
/r/AllPillDebate19/10/23 09:02 PM
13

Dont forgot Jose, tyrone, Ahmed, and Chang
/r/AllPillDebate18/10/23 06:51 PM
14

Chad didnt want her so she hates all men
/r/MensRights17/10/23 12:48 PM
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Because idiots dont understand causality. they think lonely men are choosing these things over real women, when of course, its actually mainly men who are rejected using these things to cope.
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 08:39 PM
1

the size of your dick doesnt matter if you're always single and never have sex
/r/AllPillDebate16/10/23 02:47 AM
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I'm a black man and same situation pretty much. Dont blame race entirely. job market sucks
/r/MensRights15/10/23 12:41 AM
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Yup. Blackpill is too dangerous so its suppressed. End of the day its just common sense really.
/r/AllPillDebate11/10/23 04:41 PM
1

Nobody said it did. The only claim being made is that being hopeless with women will demotivate most men to an extreme extent. Some of you refuse to accept this and twisting it to other things nobody is saying.
/r/MensRights03/10/23 12:50 PM
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Asexual men are rare exceptiions. the vast majority of men get women if they are capable of it.
/r/MensRights03/10/23 12:25 AM
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You ignored what I said. I didnt argue against what you're saying. Women are not the motivation for everything. I already said that. But knowing you have little to no chance with women, to have a family, or even have sex, is extremely demotivating. Men with no prospects for these things tend to not care about much else cause no matter what they do they're going to be extremely unhappy with their lives as a sexless incel.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 05:47 PM
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nailed it
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:53 PM
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keep fucking him and hope he picks them. ​ he doesnt. shocking
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:40 PM
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Lets be real. they arent rejecting relatiionships. These men have no options to begin with. The men women actually want are not the ones opting out.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:36 PM
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If those milliionaires and billionaires found out early in life they were going to die virgins regardless of any money they make, the vast majority of the them would not have bothered. Its not that they are only motivated by women. ​ Its that being unable to get women is incredibly demotivating. Being alone your entire life sucks so much, you wont even be happy regardless of how much money you have. its like having money but no friends. shitty life.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:33 PM
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its pretty crazy how many people dont seem to understand this.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 03:29 PM
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Women have always dated men slightly older so it wouldnt explain this huge discrepancy all of a sudden. ​ The women are fucking chads
/r/MensRights27/09/23 04:40 PM
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THANK YOU. its so ridiculous to suggest men are choosing AI over real women. Most of them have no other choice.
/r/MensRights27/09/23 04:38 PM
3

so true lmao. WHy would they care that the men they ignore are fucking a robot.
/r/MensRights27/09/23 04:37 PM
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its so stupid, we all know that most of these men want real women but cant get them. So now they have an alternative
/r/MensRights27/09/23 04:36 PM
3

Not saying you're wrong, but getting tired of seeing 'just move countries bro' so casually as if its that simply. That is a big big big deal for many people to relocate countries, and in many cases its not even feasible.
/r/MensRights26/09/23 09:13 PM
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Because of the perception that men are on top. With race, the perception is that white people are on top and thus we can acknowledge people at the bottom. With gender, men are at the top, so we can only acknowledge when women are at the bottom
/r/MensRights26/09/23 09:09 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/MensRights13/09/23 05:43 PM
2

Yes but at least they have options, to decide either way. the typical man does not.
/r/MensRights12/09/23 08:16 PM
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There will be plenty of simps for those aging women
/r/MensRights12/09/23 02:47 PM
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Yup. Too much to get so little if anything in return. Not worth it.
/r/MensRights12/09/23 02:46 PM
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I dont think this is true OP. I think most women know where they stand, but they simply aren't attracted to anything less than above average. So, obviously thats all they will ever consider because people you arent attracted to dont count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 01:00 PM
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It honestly blows my mind that society isnt paying attention to this. Men are losing their incentive to work. I lost my job last year and I havent worked since. I have savings and an under the table gig to get me by. I'm always single, will never have a family. My interests are not expensive. Why the fuck would men like me work more than the absolute bare minimum? I think this is going to be a real trend
/r/MensRights01/09/23 05:44 PM
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.....Yes. You can do research and make a video about it. I swear you PPD people come up with random bullshit reasons to ignore evidence you dont like. 'But its a video!!!' ok, and. He breaks down in detail the data and its all legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:36 AM
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Again, it doesnt have to say it. We can connect dots. Men get matches on apps all the time where women dont even respond. Women message for all kinds of reasons - bored, want attention, by accident, etc etc etc. It doesnt mean shit. A better measure would be how many of those actually lead to anything. My guess is very little, because we all know most men dont get shit from these apps as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:34 AM
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What does it look like if you look at the top 20%? Not just the top 10%?' As in what % of likes go to the top 20%? The video I linked to used real app data too. You cant just dismiss it because its on youtube. No matter how much you want to deflect, women are extremely picky and way more so than men on online dating. if you wont even acknowledge that, then we cant have a discussion because you dont live in reality. Oh look at this - women swipe on 4/100 profiles. Men are almost half. How do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:25 AM
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.....the source is that they rated these men unattractive and then messaged them anyway. As any man who isn't Chad knows, on the rare occassions you get a match or a message it rarely ever goes anywhere. Because most likely the woman isnt excited about talking to you and will drop you as soon as they match with someone hotter. A message means absolutely nothing in online dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:37 AM
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They do, this has been studied again and again. Most men get zero or almost matches, the top guys get the vast majority of all the matches. ​ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3lypVnJ0HM&t=10s&ab_channel=MemeableData
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:36 AM
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Women swiping on so few men is rock solid evidence of how picky they are, you can directly compare it to men who are not as picky and how often they swipe. No amount of common sense or hard data will ever be accepted by you people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 11:44 PM
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But there's below average men with women all the time. Clearly its not at all about being the best version of yourself if below average men are getting women all the time. You just need to be below average right? ​ Or maybe this is all total bullshit and women think 80% of men are below average, and so by defintion they will see even above average men with women and think 'look at that ugly man with a date!'
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:03 PM
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Ok, now what about this more recent study that finds the exact same thing. ​ You people just refuse to accept the obvious. No amount of evidence will convince you ​ https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/women-more-selective-80-men-unattractive-on-dating-apps-recent-research
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:00 PM
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if this is true, then I guess PPD women need to stop telling all these single men to improve themselves. If below average guys are everywhere in relationships, clearly the issue isnt we're not good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:45 PM
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yes, they unenthusiastically message someone they arent attracted to. Where do you think that leads? ​ Nowhere. As any man on a dating app can confirm, even if you get a message it most often goes nowhere
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:37 PM
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Women find 80% of men unattractive .https://medium.com/hello-love/women-say-80-of-men-are-below-average-bab0b8af2606 Let me guess, 'this doesnt count as evidence because I dont like it'
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:09 PM
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No i would not because I dont think fat women are attractive. If I was desperate I would fuck one though
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:48 PM
2

Ok, lets go with what you said. ' a compatible romantic personality' is what? Its not something you can just do or become, because compatibility is different for different women. So any advice telling you to be this way or that way, is bullshit because what one woman might like another might not. So even at that level, the advice is useless because no matter what your personality is like nobody knows whether or not it will be compatible with someone/anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:47 PM
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No, the likeable personality is the same either way. The difference is the romantic prospect you also find sexually attractive and the other one you dont. The personality could be exactly the same, the difference is sexual/physical attraction. I have no idea why some people on PPD refuse to acknowledge this obvious reality. Thats why women's advice is bullshit. Women will/have fucked guys they dont even like if he's hot enough. What determines whether is romantic potential has absolutely nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 05:06 PM
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Because you friendzoning a guy that you like as a person but arent attracted to completely disproves the very advice that you're giving. Its showing that no matter how much a girl likes you as a person, it doesnt matter if there's no physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:44 PM
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He had a failed marriage, as in he was able to get married? He wasnt alone his entire life? Thats the point. It wasnt that hard before.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:42 PM
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No because that was literally what worked for them in their time. it wasnt that hard to get women before.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:49 PM
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Times have changed. You cant blame parents for being wrong when things have changed so fast and in a way thats hard to explain if you arent experiencing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:42 PM
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It doesnt really matter. Its not like if you cold approach the woman feels like she's in a position of scarcity. She knows she has all the power, can have options if she wants them, and is likely not even looking to talk to anyone in that moment so you could get rejected just cause she doesnt feel like it right now. If you arent good enough looking its never going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:09 PM
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In cold approach its still looks. Women dont give a man that dont pass the looks filter the time of day. Why would she? Where you MAYBE have a point is WARM approach. This is someone you've been around possibly through a club or some kind of social group and have built up some goodwill. Then she has a context for you beyond your looks. But random joe blow who she doesnt know coming up? You better pass the looks filter or its over
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:01 PM
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Nobody is bitching and whining that sex with beautiful women is hard. The problem sex with a completely plain jane is getting just as hard for average men. its hoeflation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:52 PM
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why didnt I ever think to be 6 feet and rich!!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:50 PM
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Its terrible advice because it pretends like the women a man meets online are fundamentally different than what he's going to see outside and they are not. Whether you meet a woman online or somewhere else, her standards are going to be very high and you probably arent going to get a real chance with her. Its the same pool of women that overlap.....obviously. Unless you really think there's a seperate pool of women who are never outside that do the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:46 PM
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On the right track but I dont fully agree, I think many of these women do want to lock down these hot guys, even though they are treated poorly. Its why you see a lot of women complaining about being used or ghosted nowadays, or being forced into 'situationships' because they're all going after top guys who have absolutely no reason to give them what they want with all of their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:38 PM
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It makes complete sense. The problem is there's a lot gaslighting going on about the what this really means. As in, women have gotten a lot more shallow. A lot of people refuse to admit this and pretend they've gotten more picky on only noble, virtuous things like a man's personality. In reality, the main way women have gotten more strict are shallow things like height
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 06:35 PM
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I would agree more with you if it were true that women are deciding to get with guys based on if it will be a healthy relationship or not. they are not. They are dating guys based on shallow shit like money and height, having nothing to do with the health of the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 04:36 PM
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thats literally what it means. What it takes to get a woman to give up single life and be in a relationship has gotten higher. Thats why more women are staying single, because they cant find what they would need to find to change their minds. The standards are higher. Ok, maybe not absolute perfection but they're much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:58 PM
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The generations most impacted by the current dating crisis are not even close to 40 yet. They are in their 20s and early 30s. You are using data from a different era. We have absolutely no clue what will happen by 40 in this current crisis. If you believe women, many of them are saying they would rather stay single than settle. I dont see a reason to think they will do otherwise. No, there's research and studies showing women are choosing to be single now rather than settle. ​ https://www.thegua…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:35 PM
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'Do it for yourself' as if in reality men havent always been motivated to work to be more attractive to women and/or provide for a family. Men are being gaslit, nobody actually believes it what they're trying to tell us now. they just dont have any good answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:32 PM
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eh, no https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/ ​ https://nypost.com/2023/02/23/6-out-of-10-young-men-are-single-disturbing-reasons-why/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:43 AM
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We arent dating around. We arent getting dates. We're still unattractive after 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:41 AM
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An attractive man can just go on a dating app and have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:40 AM
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There's mountains of evidence and data beyond that one survey. That was simply one of the more recent and damning ones. You have to completely have your head in the sand to not understand whats going on with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 03:36 AM
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yup. this is why we need to look at broader trends beyond 'But I saw a guy at walmart!'. Its so stupid and not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:30 AM
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jeezus, nailed this 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:18 AM
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Its way way way higher. I could see it MAYBE only being 30% if you count men who might get into a relationship at age 50 or something, but if we're talking young men, which is the most important group because they are the ones we need to make sure are happy and bough in to society, that number is way way higher. we know 63% of young men 20s and early 30s are single right now. If even half of those are voluntarily single, the other half that isnt is still over 30%
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:48 AM
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Just because you can be happy being alone, doesnt mean its wrong for men who are not fulfilled alone. People need people. We are social creatures. We are sexual creatures. Good for you that you can be happy alone, but a lot of men cannot and its just a fact of nature that angry disgruntled hopeless men are also the most dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:45 AM
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I agree, its nonsense but we pay for shit we dont want to all the time. I dont see why we would draw the line at children. The problem isnt that undesirable men arent chosen, the problem is that way too many men are considered undesirable to the point where it makes absolutely no sense. and thats a problem, because then as a man....what are you supposed to do? You mentioned those insane measues to get taller, but realistically, it gives men no options. And men who are hopeless are dangerous men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 09:52 PM
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Whats broken is the standards that women think need to be met to be in a happy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:56 PM
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In reality very few people can afford those surgeries, or would risk their bodies like that. And if thats the expectation thats a further sign of the problems
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:44 PM
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A significant of minority of men not having sex or barely having sex is still a problem. And we have no idea whats going to happen as these younger generations get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:23 PM
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More and more men are having less and less sex with no signs of stopping. to pretend like you dont see whats happening is just willful ignorance. ​ https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 08:11 PM
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I dont think its possible to be too blackpill about this. Women's standards are absolutely astoundingly brutal. The extent to which you think there's some wiggle room is likely influenced by the fact that we're still in transition into this new phase. There isnt nearly as much wiggle room or context to this chit as you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:35 PM
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not anymore, because women are choosing to stay alone. they arent settling
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:19 PM
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You're a fool to think these younger generations are going to end up the same as those older ones. there's absolutely no reason to believe that will be the case for so many reasons, least of which women openly saying they'd rather stay single than compromise on their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:16 PM
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The question is why has perfect checks all boxes become the standard? Why are so many saying they'd rather be single than compromise at all? its a broken way to think
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:15 PM
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Men can only improve so much. The things men cannot change (race, height, facial structure etc) eliminate so many men it limits how much you can really change
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 06:13 PM
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Women are perfect!!! they do no wrong!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:06 AM
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They all have it so easy that I dont like calling it hard time. No woman has a hard time. Some women have it even easier than others though
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 12:16 AM
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There's nothing you can even do. I've said for a long time that the race-pill is not given the attention it deserves. The dating pool is much much smaller if you arent white.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 10:08 PM
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Black women dont have a hard time. Trust me, I'm black. The problem is they want the same Tyrone's and ignore average black guys, short black guys etc. its the same chit. ​ Black women also have high obesity rates so they are making it harder on themselves as it is. ​ Most women want white guys., even if they arent white.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:56 PM
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its really this simple. be white, dont be fat and dont be short(and ideally tall). thats really it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:50 PM
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Every man could focus every second of their life on looking as good as possible and it wont matter. Women are biologically driven to be extremely picky and the vast majority of men dont even have the raw genetics to be attractive to women physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:48 PM
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Video game addicition is rare. the vast majority of men who play video games arent addicted. What we are seeing is men playing more video games than before, because as I mentioned, if you cant get a girlfriend you have a lot of time on your hands so why not. And not being able to get laid can lead to depression and lack of motivation which can lead to also more videogames. but its very clearly videogames being the result of not getting anywhere with women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:31 PM
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Those things dont fix anything when the problem is women's standards are too high
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:35 PM
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Again, some of them are overlapping, not all of them. Common sense tells you that. ​ And yes every survey has people who lie but it balances out. For every Chad/Tyrone who lied, so did some women. The overall trend is very obvious and aligns with literally everything else going on in the modern dating crisis. If you try to connect the dots for even 5 seconds, you can see the picture being painted. it all adds up very easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:21 PM
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Maybe not but the relevant question is, is it better than being alone? Most likely yes. The woman gets a simp slave, the man gets his pp touched a few times a year which is better than never as far as he's concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:01 PM
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Some of them are dating at different times, some of them are overlapping. Unless you think Chad and Tyrone are strict monogamists? You really believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:55 PM
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They wont be attracted to those simp men, but they arent going to hate having some beta worship the ground they walk on who they can take advantage of, in exchange for starfish sex a few times a year. Women stay winning until death. Unless the balance of power changes, women are at the advantage the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:52 PM
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Yes exactly. a situationship with chad and tyrone has become more common. Some women deluded themselves into calling it a relationship, Chad and tyrone are fucking several women at once and would never call it a relationship. ​ we're saying the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:50 PM
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'They've dated these guys on different occasions', yes they're taking turns with chad and tyrone while most men get left out. thank you for admitting that. Inevitably some of these chads and tyrones are also fucking multiple women at once(because why on earth wouldnt he with how much pussy is shoved in his face easily), and some of those women are delusional enough to call it a relationship. the end. thanks for agreeing with me
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:47 PM
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Enjoying your time playing video games isnt a waste? What are we on earth for if not to have fun? Especially if you're one of the many guys who cannot get a date to save their life, you literally have no reason to not play videogames if thats what makes you happy. you're going to be single and rejected either way. Society isnt giving these men an incentive to do otherwise. Videogames have gotten really really good. Societies offer to men has gotten awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:41 PM
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Yup lol. The dating game has become so unbalanced it doesnt really make sense to bother with it for these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:39 PM
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This is very misunderstood. 9 out of 10 times a guy plays a ton of videogames, its because he cant get a girlfriend, and thus has a lot of time on his hands and probably a lot of painful emotions he wants to distract from. Men are not passing on pussy to play videogames. They're playing videogames because they cant get any pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:38 PM
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Most of the things you listed are the result of men unable to find relationships with women, and the loneliness that brings.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:36 PM
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Men will openly admit they're fucking a lot of women and dont care. its women who will try to explain away whats going on and not say the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:35 PM
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Lol and this is a mans cope. These women will have no problem finding a desperate simp who's been ignored his entire life, happy to do whatever it takes just to have someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:34 PM
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So, all of a sudden we developed diffeent definitions when that was never the case with these studies in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:51 PM
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https://www.women.com/1298109/are-we-dating-the-same-guy-facebook-groups-complicated/#:~:text=The%20group%20called%20'Are%20We,others%20about%20potential%20bad%20dates. ​ Yea, its a mere coincidence that women are literally forming groups called 'are we dating the same guy'
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:50 PM
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Age gaps have always been a thing. That hasnt changed. Yet, the discrepancy in single men is new. ​ Its very very obvious this is more about women sharing the same men. There's even 'are we dating the same guy' because its happening so often. ​ Some of yall are in extreme denial
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:44 PM
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Well that wouldnt even work. The women would come here and just do the same thing the women who are here are doing if they come alone. You would import families coming together i think
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:46 AM
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There is no missing piece of data. You're attempting to compare the current dating market which is new, with older people that went through a completely different dating market. This imbalance is going to play out for generations going forward. there will always be a lot of single men going forward, because more and more women would rather stay single than 'settle' with someone they arent attracted to (a large majority of men)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:03 AM
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they'll blame men, and solve it with immigration
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 12:59 AM
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You address the causes of this problem Things such as dating apps and social media that are getting in the way of normal relationships like we had in every other generation before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 10:36 PM
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Humanity itself is built on the need men have for women. We literally wouldnt exist if that need wasnt so powerful and ingrained. its just not a realistic thing to say
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 09:43 PM
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I dont really understand the point you're making. Obviously women always choose what they want to do. How does that relate to my post? I never said women didnt or shouldnt have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 05:03 PM
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I agree that it sucks when your happiness requires things from other people, but that doesnt change the reality that it does. We're social creatures with needs and for men usually some of those needs involve women. I think the red pill tries to defy our core nature to an unhealthy degree. Its ok to admit how much this stuff matters rather than try to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:38 PM
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I dont mean that nothing else matters at all. if you're going to be alone, there's definitely better and worse ways to do it like you're saying. But overall, if you arent satisfied you arent satisfied. Yes, you can have money and do fun things with it but if there's a chronic loneliness for example you're still living a subpar unsatisfying life. Its like the necessary vs sufficient conditions if you've heard of that. For many people, a necessary condition of a satisifying enjoyable life involves…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:16 PM
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Really, you dont understand why being alone an entire decade would feel worse than maybe just one year? I feel like sometimes redditors are robots. ​ Voluntarily single people exist but they are rare. most people want sex/romance and some kind of relationship in life in their lives most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:12 PM
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its one thing to be single at any given time, its much different to be hopeless in this area of life as you get older and older. I think most people can be happy single for a period of time. But if it becomes a chronic thing especially without even any dates or sex, lets be real here its a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:29 PM
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Honestly..... have you had any deep discussions with them about it? Men hide things and dont share how they feel. Those men might be fuking miserable for all you know. I can say for myself, I'm early 30s and do my best to enjoy life but the reality is I'm not happy because such a fundamental part of life is missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:27 PM
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Sadly its rare that someone has a career like that or even a career at all. Most people have jobs that are simply a means to an end. Try to make work your meaning/purpose is just not a good idea for the vast majority of people. And the vast majority of people will never be even close to wealthy no matter what they do. Most people can at best climb the ladder a bit and get to a comfortable place, but again what will that really be worth when they're lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:25 PM
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How do you define a need in this context? Because the typical definition is 'that which without life is extremely unpleasant or unenjoyable', and I think for most people having no sex or romantic life(and thus family of their own) would make their life very unenjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:41 PM
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All the money in the world doesnt fix loneliness, lack of meaning/purpose and just the raw need for sex. You need to not be poor but once you're past that, other things usually matter a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:40 PM
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How old are those men out of curiosity? There are absolutely men that can be content with desert dick their entire lives but not the majority. Its really now a new concept and I'm pretty shocked reddit actually believes otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:49 AM
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Women are not a detriment to peace because they provide the most satisfying things in life to men. The problem is if you're with a bad person but thats not the case in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:46 PM
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What good is financial independence if you're lonely and unfulfilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:45 PM
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Except you dont enjoy your life if you're lonely and unfulfilled
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:44 PM
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Peace of mind isnt possible until your needs are met. For a lot of men, that includes sex/women/family.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:45 PM
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In a certain way yes but not at the level you're talking about. For example, lets say an economy. You obviously arent entitled to a specific job or a specific salary. But there does need to be the general promise of 'if you do these things there will be job opportunities waiting for you'. Otherwise.....why go to school and educate yourself etc if there's a good chance nothing is even on the other side? Same with dating. You arent entitled to any given person but whether we like to admit it or no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:34 PM
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Of course they can and do, but I mean in terms of priority and whats most important. I man who is broke and lonely isn't putting his top priority to help the community. What is more important to him will be his immediate needs. And until those are met his life is very unlikely to be pleasant and enjoyable
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:29 PM
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Me personally? I personally feel lied to. I feel like a generation of men were told to do x to get y, and we did those things, and got no results. And then when the predictable results happen(suicide, depression, loneliness etc) we get told to shut up and that we have no right to feel this way. ​ And then to top it off, we are often gaslit about the situation( ' you must have a terrible personality and never take showers!') instead of an honest conversation of whats really going on and how to ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:05 PM
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Its not sexual entitlement to be frustrated and lonely and angry etc. ​ I also think its absolutely ridiculous to say its a protest against bodily autonomy. Absolutely nobody is saying that. All it is saying that something is broken in society when these relationships arent happening, and we should fix whats broken. That has absolutely nothing to do with bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:45 PM
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Everything will get worse and possibly unsustainably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:46 PM
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You can do whatever the hell you want. I'm just telling you to hold friends as equal in your life as your own children and husband is strange and the vast majority of people are not like that. ​ As an example, many parents are literally willing to die for their children but would absolutely never would say anything like that about friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:41 PM
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I think women should care about this because society will not function properly when too many men become lonely angry and frustrated
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:39 PM
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This is an extremely weird and unusual position to hold, your're a weird exception to a very normal rule to at least hold your kids as higher priority to your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:30 PM
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No, nobody goes that far. But when you incentive kids out of wedlock, you(shocker) get a lot kids out of wedlock
/r/MensRights24/08/23 04:27 PM
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Well but its not about a particular woman. These are men who cant get ANY woman
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:22 PM
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I grew up in nuclear family as did millions of us. So yes it does exist. Our culture is just choosing to go away from it, and the results are disastrous. depression, loneliness, drug use, alcohol use, suicide. People arent happy with the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:19 PM
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lmao yea
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:17 PM
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As opposed to being honest with yourself and with the world about what the problem is, what your needs are as men so that we can actually work towards building a society where men can live fulfilling lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:14 PM
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Well when the conversation is about why are men struggling, why are men depressed and lonely and killing themselves, men are going to give the honest answer. I'm not saying randomly go out of your way to tell women that dont care. But this a growing conversation of 'whats going on with men' and the answer is it what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:13 PM
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From the start, its easy to say something isnt that important when you are never deprived of it. Women are never starved of sex or romance the way men do, but then somehow can tell men its not a big deal and omg why cant you just play videogames and jerk off and be happy forever?!?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:25 PM
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I get it, but only lonely men are ever told this. With almost any other issue, complaining and bitching and moaning and marching and shouting and venting are viewed as completely acceptable responses. Because they are allowed to be human. Its really only ever lonely men who are told to shut up and be perfectly stoic in the face of extreme sexual frustation, loneliness etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:23 PM
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I get what you're trying to say, I just think you have it backwards. Only when people have established their own enjoyable life is it really reasonable to expect them to look outward and make the world a better place. When you're starving or homeless, or lonely, or sexless and other basic needs for a fulfilling life, its very unfair to say ' that shouldnt matter, focus on xyz'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:21 PM
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ACTUAL family is your wife and children..........ACTUAL family literally is impossible without sex and romantic relationships. ​ Hobbies/Interests/passions like video games? That's more important than establishing a loving family? Or regular sex? Career? Working for a boss that doesnt give a fuck about you is more important than having a loving partner throughout life? Friendships are good but absolutely nobody would ever say 'my friends are more important to me than my wife and my children that…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:17 PM
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The relationship with yourself exists, but it doesnt make up for the reality that we are social creatures that need each other. We get depressed if we're isolated. We get depressed if we have no interaction. We get depressed if are perpeutally without sex and intimacy. WE NEED EACH OTHER. Why have we become so afraid to acknowledge this basic fact of human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:15 PM
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Because its not true
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:13 PM
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You and your friends are picking the wrong men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:51 PM
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I think this is just semantics. Either of those phrasings amount to the same thing, which that a life alone isnt fulfilling or desirable to these men. Whether you literally cant live without her and kill yourself, or just live a depressed unenjoyable life makes no difference. The point is this is needed for a fulfilling enjoyable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:50 PM
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lol, when your examples are outlier mega geniuses who changed the world like Newton and Tesla, you clearly have an issue. Its very special, rare men who can satisfied in life never getting their dick touched or being alone. The average man will not be fulfilled like that. Exceptions dont make the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:48 PM
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lol yea if Brad Pitt really wants sex I'm sure women are all gonna be tuned off. Get real. This is a story women tell themselves but the reality is it ALWAYS comes down to who you are attracted to. A man you are attracted to who is sexually aggressive will be called 'confident and knows what he wants. Not afraid to be sexual'. The man you arent attracted to 'he's so desperate and clingy ewwww'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:47 PM
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Yes, because everyone in america lives in nevada or can just go there whenever they want something so basic as sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:44 PM
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100% facts, I'm not disputing that at all. But it doesnt change how important these things are for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:43 PM
1

Jesus tells people to fuck and have families
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:43 PM
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Most men get value from actually raising their kids. Dont lump all men in with deadbeat dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:42 PM
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Well thats what men are doing, and then they get shamed for playing too many games. We cant win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:41 PM
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Yes, I think we can all agree the one of the first steps if basic financial security. But thats not really the question. its one thing to say ' you should get your act together before going for women etc.' ​ Its another to say 'at no point in your life should women be the focus, you need to be happy alone and never having sex, and if you cant do that something is wrong with you'. ​ I feel like the latter is what some people are trying to sell men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:41 PM
1

It sounds like you're picking the wrong men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:39 PM
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So there's some things I agree with here. A value system, sure. But like........what does that change? Someone could adopt a value system and a passion early in life. And then what, when are they allowed to say "I'm lonely and I want to have sex and a family and that is now my goal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:38 PM
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How would society survive?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:37 PM
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Zero is zero. the damage is already done. this is like telling someone 'yea you're dead but what if you were dead and your head was cut off!'. ughh who cares
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:36 PM
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I didnt say women should want sex as much as men. I think that women( and men) should understand that men are different from women and not tell them to morph themselves out of their basic human nature which includes this high priority of sex. ​ In otherwords, women shouldnt tell men to stop valuing sex so much, because thats telling us not to even be men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:34 PM
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I think if you have two brain cells its pretty obvious that increasingly lonely and sexless men wouldnt be happy. ​ Women might be more complicated, but for men get real. The reason is that they increasingly arent having sex or much less sex, arent getting relationships or married. And from there, is a lack of purpose and meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:29 PM
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Illegal stops a ton of people. There's a big difference between going to a legal, established and regulated brothel, and finding some underground hooker. It's just not even close and to pretend otherwise is complete ignorance. ​ It's about sex as well, but I see you're here to play word games and obfuscate the conversation away from common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:27 PM
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And as more and more people go down that route, depression and despair and loneliness, and therapy and antidepressants are on the rise accordingly. I'm not saying its for everyone, there are exceptions, but generally its pretty clear this is big reason things are going downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:25 PM
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How are any of those more important than sex, a wife, and children? The main reason men are motivated to make money is to attract women. Men arent really very materialistic otherwise, they are more minimalist. Friends come and go in life, its a very bad idea to depend on friends so much when just the reality is it's a lot more fickle than family ties or close romantic relationships. Hobbies are fun, but anyone that would say videogames or fishing is the most important thing in their lives is liv…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:23 PM
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The most meaningful ones would be wife, sons and daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:21 PM
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A comfortable life is a pretty basic thing that can be achieved easily early in life. It's a baseline, not a long term life goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:20 PM
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In the USA its illegal, but even where it is legal surely you understand the difference between sex with someone you have a real connection with or at least mutual attraction, and a business transaction. ​ Banging prostitutes is better than nothing but if it fulfilled the needs of actual sex men wouldnt bother chasing real women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:18 PM
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Based on our names, you and I have a lot in common lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:16 PM
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Ah yes, let us all walk the path of the buddah. Families and love and sex be damned!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:14 PM
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I never said it was the SOLO source or should be. But I think it can easily be argued to be the most important and biggest one. ​ And no man is happy until they're having sex. Its not off putting for the men that women are actually attracted to. Men really want sex and do basically anything to get it. The sky is blue. We all know this. It's 100% gaslighting to try to say ' the reason you cant get sex is cause you have a normal healthy male drive for it!'. ​ In the modern day with dating being so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:11 PM
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Its a complete myth that it can make up for someone not having a baseline level of physical attraction to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:06 PM
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Actually reality is independent of how you personally feel about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:05 PM
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these men already have zero options. It cant get worse. you just dont get it apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:05 PM
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When nobody is paying attention it doesnt matter
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:16 AM
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lol. you dont understand the situation for these men. We are INVISIBLE. Our internal attitude doesnt mean shit to women who dont even acknowledge us
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 11:21 PM
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Looks are not as subjective as people try to say. Most people are firmly in a certain league and everyone knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:57 PM
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Its mostly bad faith bullshit. Everyone knows looks are what the sexual/physical attraction required for a romantic relationship is based on. "personality" only matters if someone is attracted to you in the first place, otherwise they dont care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:45 PM
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Its just bullshit gaslighting to avoid acknowledging whats really going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:05 PM
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That wont be allowed because it would collapse society.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:16 PM
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A lot of men are invisible to women and have no choice but be a dancing monkey for any shot at standing out. Very mediocre women can easily have 100 guys messaging them at once. How the hell can you stand out as an average guy when women have endless options? Most of them dance and hope it eventually works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:08 PM
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Except when you realize your only chance if you're lucky is to be a dancing monkey.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:07 PM
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I though the idea of the comment was some men were ignoring women all together? If the point is they just go to different women, well no shit obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:06 PM
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Old women and single moms still have a lot of options. Some of yall are delusion about this. Many men are desperate and will take anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:06 PM
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yea and if they can they're still having sex with them lol. get real. Very few men are choosing a life of celibacy. They're still trying to get sex or at worst, giving up because its become too hard for them to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:48 PM
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Men have never been able to live without women. Its the most basic aspect of our nature its not manipulation. We want pussy badly, by our core nature. The human race literally cant survive without men needing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:46 PM
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Most men will take whatever they can get. We dont have the luxury of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:28 PM
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This isnt true. the vast majority of men just want one loyal kind woman who takes of herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:11 PM
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the biggest factor is how physically attractive you are. Period, end of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:11 PM
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theres no good end to this lol. You gotta realize at some point people will revolt
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:09 PM
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Most people are average. If every woman wants some extraordinary life even if she herself is mediocre, thats the entire problem with the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:08 PM
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Just because you have a million matches doesnt mean you have to look at them all. Just go through one by one and pick one guy that sound like they have similar interests and go on a date. Thats all you have to do. Women are only overwhelmed because they are actually so picky that they want to find the needle in a haystack that is perfect in their eyes, but they dont have to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:08 PM
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this sub will come up with so much ridiculous nonsense just to avoid saying some men arent attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:05 PM
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Correct, but what happens when you realize people do want to be around you but women are just NEVER romantically interested? At that point, you realize its not about being generally unpleasant, its about not be attractive enough often for shallow reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 10:51 PM
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'Just quietly accept a lonely, sexless life with no relationship or family bro'. WTF do you expect? Relationships, sex and family are some of the most basic foundations of life and very powerful needs for men to live fulfilled lives. If you tell them thats not going to happen, guess what, usually doesnt go well. that isnt a personality issue anymore than it would be to tell someone 'hey, we're out of food you're all gonna starve!' and then they react poorly to that. no kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:12 PM
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its more like " we dont want to validate the grievances of this rapidly growing group of lonely angry young men, because if we do it legitimizes those groups(red pillers, black pillers, incels) and also gives them more motivation to act out. So instead lets gaslight the fuck out of them and tell them they just have bad personalities and need to take shows'
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:26 PM
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LMAO not even close to reality. in 2023, you need to be more attractive than every man she can find within 100 miles because of online and social media dating. You also have to be more attractive than her option of just staying single for now and seeing who she can swipe on next week. This scenario of 'two people are equally attractive so the better personality wins' doesnt happen because if both men are unattractive she will obviously pick neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 04:09 PM
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Cite what claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:51 PM
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Ding ding ding. So much nonsense to avoid saying looks are most likely the problem and nobody gives a fuck about your personality until you look good enough for it to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:51 PM
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You're close but still not being honest. Women dont give a fuck about humor, or self control, or creativity or physical prowess, if LOOKS are not there in the first place. If a man is struggling in the dating world it is almost always that he's not good looking enough. Just say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:49 PM
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Women have always dated a few years older but only now are we seeing this massive rise in single men at this age group. So something else is clearly going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:46 PM
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the process of looking has become soul crushing and the only men who would possibly enjoy it would be the men who have it easy and arent struggling in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:44 PM
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' I dont care' isnt the truth lol. Thats just how you feel. If you dont care about the issue, you dont have to answer. by 'we want the truth', we just want to get honest guidance based on the situation. I dont see why thats so hard to do. Just get the facts(what does the man look like, how old is he, what has he been doing and what can he change) and then make a recommendation that is aligned with reality. The reason this doesnt happen is because women on PPD dont want to admit how shallow and v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:41 PM
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we do go crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 04:02 PM
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I was talking about mens need for sex and somehow your conclusion is I know nothing about women. ​ ok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:58 PM
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omg nooo! literally just know where the vagina is!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:47 PM
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Porn and video games are helping to pacify men but it doesnt change the raw importance of sex to their physical and mental well being. These are just very powerful copes that I believe are helping prevent mass revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:15 PM
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Just be honest about whats causing the problem and take steps to address it. Dating apps are an easy example. One of the biggest issues right now is all the options the average woman has through these dating apps. It raises her standards and allows the same guys to get all the women. If society cared about men those things would have been gone years ago. They're toxic and destructive. Another thing would be social norms. It shouldnt even be a question that approaching women is ok and normal and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:12 PM
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There's a lot of things we can do and its pretty obvious once you're honest about the problem. For example, online dating is a huge a problem because it gives women access to way more men than used to have and it raises their standards. We should probably not let online dating apps run unchecked. We need to operate those in a way that they arent so destructive if not outright ban them. Now, you'll reac and say 'WE CANT DO THAT'. well yes we can, and we should considering the results. but society…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:07 PM
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what keeps me personally from finding relationships is that I'm ugly, 5 foot 3, and not white.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:00 PM
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the same solution it was always was. Help men get married and have families. I dont know why some people act like its a big mystery now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:59 PM
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Thats a myth because society keeps trying to deny that men are men, and different from women. Men have never focused on close friendships with other men. Men are usually not even close with their own fathers. Men are different than women. Men are struggling right now because they aren't having sex and dont have a path to marriage and family. Having some bros absolutely helps, but if a dude isnt getting laid his buddies arent going to make up for that. If a dude has no path to a family, his bros …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:39 PM
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Again, this isn't true. Maybe you and your friends just have low standards. Women are extremely hard to please in bed which is why so many complain about bad sex and so many even say they prefer vibrators. ​ if you genuinely believe what you're saying, you're an exception to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:37 PM
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I just find this hard to believe. All these women who complain about bad sex and it all it takes is a warm up and knowing where a clit is? c'mon dont bullshit me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:33 PM
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Define ok? I would argue the current crisis men are going through with rising suicide rates and other destructive behavior shows that men are not ok if they cant have sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:30 PM
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If knowing where a clit is was all it took that would make sense but its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:29 PM
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Knowing where it is doesnt mean you are good at doing things with it. I know where they are but I still suck at actually doing things because I have almost no sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:28 PM
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Knowing where the clit is and foreplay = good at sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:26 PM
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Learning about space doesnt make you an astronaut that can go there and survive. Very stupid comparison to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 11:00 AM
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That is like saying knowing the parts of the human body makes you a doctor. Very stupid thing to say. It takes skill to know what to do and how to do. Skills take practice. Women fuck the same guys and then complain that men who rarely get laid dont know what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 10:59 AM
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Right? How are men who barely have sex supposed to be good at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 10:55 AM
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Yes, being deprived of sex as a man is torture. its hard to even enjoy life without that basic need being met consistently. Men have burned cities and killed for sex. it is extremely powerful. It is also the foundation for every romantic relationship that exists, and thus family/children, and thus the entire human race depends on it. Only women downplay the importance of sex to our lives because they are never deprived of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 10:52 AM
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I would argue 2 things OP. This is inherently a strawman, because I would say this is already the case for most men. But the reason it may seem like its a bigger/biggest focus is because getting a woman and maintaining a relationships has become so fucking difficult for so many men that it has to be a bigger focus just to get anywhere now. If we were still in normal times for dating, it wouldnt have to be such a focus but we're in a dating crisis where record numbers of men are struggling so of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 10:46 AM
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There was maybe only one instance where I think a woman was pissed about it and the date went really bad etc. But the other times it didnt seem like they cared very much. Its worth pissing off one woman to have some of the successes I had.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:20 AM
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A lot of the apps force you to put in a height now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:19 AM
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A lot of men dont care. They're fine with a simple life and dont need better jobs or more money, if they have no family to take care of or now woman to impress/attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 12:18 AM
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OP, logically I understand the argument is very similar but it fails because a fat woman can just lose weight if she wants a better dating situation. That's her solution. Dont lie. Lose weight and then use your real self. As a short man, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We have no choice but to lie if height is holding us back on online apps. For context, I'm extremely short(5'3) and I have had to lie to get any kind of opportunities. I have literally no choice unless I want to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:47 PM
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You understand why they do it though right? Their online matches go up dramatically. ​ It makes more sense to lie upfront and give yourself an opportunity than have no opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 01:44 PM
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100% true. They may start caring in aggregate if so many men get left out it starts impacting society in a negative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 04:43 AM
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Sounds pretty well thought out and measured. Honestly not too different than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:12 PM
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Great answer thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:12 PM
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Yes, that man starving to death must be starving because he wants a 5 star restaurant. Not because he cant find literally any food. Just choosing to starve
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:09 PM
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Natural evolution and biology would absolutely result in even more men being alone. By nature women would be sorted into harems for sure. Modern society in theory should want to make adjustments culturally/socially to even things out but it seems like general society doesnt even care anymore. the results are going to be really interesting going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:08 PM
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How would you decided when to call it? Sadly, a lot of men feel the same. At some point beyond a certain age, life isnt really appealing alone
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:04 PM
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those guys arent struggling in America. They are going over there for higher quality women, not because they are struggling to get women in America. Black guys in the USA who are struggling arent attractive enough to go to a white country overseas and get results either
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:03 PM
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OP I feel you in theory, but in practice I dont agree. I think everyone knows the men that women want to talk to. We know who's attractive and who they want. There's nothing inherently wrong with saying that undesirable men should stand down and its only appropriate for attractive men to go for it. its just reality
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:01 PM
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I agree 100%. I think what I'm getting at is its pretty obvious when this is the case but those men are still given the blind advice to self improve, even when its pretty obvious the best case scenario is still pretty bad and unlikely to make a difference. I dont think self improvement should be given as advice so blindly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:06 PM
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Because it doesnt yield any results so its a complete waste of time. Why bother putting in all that time and effort just to see no results? It doesnt make any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:03 PM
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Most of these struggling have low or no standards as it is. They're men desperate get laid, its weird how PPD assumes these struggling men have high standards or something. Like do you just assume all the starving people in the world are holding out for 5 star restaurants? No, they would literally eat out of the garbage because theyre starving
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:02 PM
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I think its just the semantics I dont like. its not about being a 'good person'. Its about being attractive to women which has nothing to do with being a good person. Someone might already have the freedom or time that they want. For example, a part time job that pays the bills and give you more free time. What then? Is he still supposed to get to try make more money? For what? A fit body isnt enough, you can be fit in a way that women arent attracted to. People always say 'hit the gym' because …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:01 PM
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Obviously you should try to get better so you dont die but how is that relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:47 PM
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No I agree, it only matters what you think. So if you dont personally care about something, dont bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:46 PM
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Yea my opinion is at a certain point the effort to improve yourself isnt worth the the actual change in odds you will see. I am one of those men, where over the course of more than a decade nothing changed. it was never worth it to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:45 PM
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I didnt say being white means no girlfriend, I said with passport bros that works if you're white because you can go to asian countries where they will like you just for being white. If you're not white, you cant be ugly and have passport bros work. A lot of countries are racist too. ​ There also isnt someone for everyone, especially now where so many women are choosing to stay single. It literally isnt possible. thats a disney myth just to make people feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:43 PM
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Well even with staying in shape. I like doing things like running, playing sports but they dont lead to anything physically that women would find attractive. The advice of 'hit the gym' is not about being in shape, its about specifically building your body in a way women will find more attractive. There are a lot of ways to be in shape but the advice for women is always 'hit the gym' because all know thats what might help with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:37 PM
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People can call me a lazy loser, I dont care. The point is those things dont change how much I personally enjoy life, and so I wouldnt do them except for the hope that it made me more attractive to women. If it doesnt why would I do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:35 PM
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'A better person' isnt my problem. I'm not a bad person. I have social skills. I can handle my emotions. ​ I feel like this is part of the issue. There's this attempt to conflate being a better person with what women want and thats not true. You arent a better person just because you make more money or have more muscles or whatever nonsense works to be attractive to women. Those are not things that have value just because. they have value becausen of what those things help you to do or get. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:33 PM
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Exactly. the things I personally enjoy would not change anything with women whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:31 PM
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I'm not arguing anything, this is just my opinion and wanted to see what others think about this also.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:30 PM
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A lot of these men already have no standards(like me). Desperation to get laid will do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:29 PM
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Eh, I'm not white. passport bros dont really work unless you're white or good looking enough that you wouldnt need to leave the country to get one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:27 PM
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Kind of what I was getting at, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:26 PM
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I feel the same either way, depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:24 PM
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I personally don't have any standards, I'll give anyone a chance. I quite literally never get any interest from women so I cant have any standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 11:00 AM
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See but going from a 1 to 3 could include a lot of work that isnt worth the change in your odds of going from 1 to a 3. Thats an example of where it doesnt make sense. They are still very likely going to be alone as a 3 anyway. the right advice isnt to kill themselves doing all these things that are very unlikely to change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:59 AM
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The thing that is wrong is often shallow shit these men cant control. In my case, height, face and race are all strongly working against me and no amount of improvement changes that and barely helps. just the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:57 AM
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I agree with this. I think part of what I'm trying to say is its often predictable who is unlikely to get any results from doing this, and in those situations its bad advise to begin with. it shouldnt be given as the blanket advise to everyone like it often is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:56 AM
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Anything you achieve should be for your own pleasure and satisfaction full stop. If you don’t want to improve don’t. A woman will respect you more for living authentically. This is not a job interview this is an emotional obstacle course meant I get what you're trying to say, but the reality most of things typically included in 'improve yourself' are not things men would care enough to do if it not for trying to get women. For example, I dont put on nice clothes for personal pleasure, because I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:55 AM
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I agree with this, thanks for putting it into the right words. I think there are a lot of instances where people are told to self improve despite it being obvious there will be minimal improvements to their chances. I think in those situations self improvement is bad advise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:53 AM
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How? If someone is about to die, they should still go out of there to be more attractive to women even if it doesnt get women? How? This is the kind of blind worship of self improvement that made me make this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:51 AM
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Lets be honest, for their own personal goals most men dont need to do most of the shit they're told to do. I feel like its mental gymnastics to say ' do all these things that make you more attractive to women but dont do it for women! Do it for yourself'. To me its almost like telling someone to go to work but dont do it for the money! Do it because somehow working is inherently good for you, even though we all know most people would quit their jobs if they didnt get paid for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:50 AM
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There are not 'hundreds of millions of ugly guys in happy relationships'. The countries where dating has become some hard do not have that many people. For example, the USA is about 330 million people total including women, elderly people, babies etc. ​ I get your point, there ARE ugly men dating as I said in the OP but we need to stop exaggerating the numbers. There are now more ugly men struggling than ugly men finding relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:47 AM
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This is a 'no true scottsman' kind of avoidance of the point. Sure, there are probably some people who misjudge what they've done but also many people with an accurate view(like me) who just arent getting any results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:45 AM
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Its not that anyone ever guaranteeded success, but I think there's a point where success is so unlikely that the advice of improve yourself doesnt make any sense to give in the first place. Just as an example, if you could tell a guys odds were going to be awful either way, why would you advise he go to hell and back only to barely at all increase his odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:44 AM
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I agree with the scale part, but I dont see men being told this. Obviously the men struggling are closer to 3s than 8s, but generally people arent honest about the reality of going from 3 to 5 will many times still not be enough(like its not for me)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:42 AM
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It actually is kind of true because a lot of guys get told to improve when there isnt anything inherently wrong with them anyway. If the problem is a guy is short, telling him to buy new clothes isnt really addressing the problem at root. it kind of paints the delusion I'm talking about in the OP to get men doing things that wont necessarily address the problem and the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:40 AM
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To get laid. A lot of this shit doesnt inherently make you a some objectively better person, the purpose is to be more attractive and get laid. For example, a lot of men would be content with a simpler job and less money. You aren't a better person just because you make more money. The entire benefit of that was to be more attractive and it didnt work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:37 AM
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Its not about self worth, its about the reality that you've done a lot of things with the purpose of getting more attractive and if it doesnt work, there's no longer a point in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:36 AM
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At some point you've met enough people that something else is the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:35 AM
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It definitely isnt worth the effort if the reason you did it doesnt happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:35 AM
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The ' it should be about yourself; doesnt make sense, because it involves a lot of things men dont care about or would never do just for themselves. For exampple, I personally dont get any value from wearing better clothes just because. The entire purpose was to be more attractive. If I'm not getting results, it was just a waste of effort and money. We need to be honest about this and stop pretending men would even bother or care about a lot of this if its not for the motivation for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:33 AM
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The ' it should be about yourself; doesnt make sense, because it involves a lot of things men dont care about or would never do just for themselves. For exampple, I personally dont get any value from wearing better clothes just because. The entire purpose was to be more attractive. If I'm not getting results, it was just a waste of effort and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 10:32 AM
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Unless you're attractive. Write it down. Commit it to memory. If you're attractive the rules do not apply to you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:28 AM
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If you get approached by women and still get shot down 90% of the time, the results of a man who isn't nearly that attractive are going to make it not worth even doing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:27 AM
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'the situation is suitable' aka the woman likes you enough. People have met in every situation under the sun. What decides if its ok is if she's attracted to you
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:09 AM
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The answer is anywhere as long as you're attractive. Thats what it comes down to. Everything is acceptable if you're attractive enough that women would want you. ​ If you are not attractive, nothing you do is right
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:05 AM
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The kind of man who can go 1 for 9 isnt even asking this question. ​ In reality, most men will get TERRIBLE results approaching random women and they do not get any 'indicators of interest' because nobodys interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:05 AM
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classic pretty boys. They have attractive faces in the same way 90s boy bands did. Not some big mystery
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:03 AM
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25% chance at a fulfilling life with a family is better than a 100% guaranteed life of lonely misery.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 09:04 PM
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Well maybe but thats a small minority of women, far more an exception than the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:42 PM
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Two points: Extremely rarely are there women who actively prefer short guys. They may be ok with a short guy, but thats not the same thing as actively preferring and being attracted to short men specifically. That is extremely rare and I've personally never seen it. 2 . Biology defines the tendency but there's always a level of variation. Look at men. You got guys who like fat asses and some who like more petite women etc. There's variation but still a general trend of the genetic/markers of hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:33 PM
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Women are biologically attracted to height but the reality is they didnt have as much choice before and were willing to settle. Now with so many options, less pressure to have kids and get married etc they are more free to just be as picky as they want. 'If I cant get the ideal man I'll stay single' etc So yes, shorter guys would have done way better in other generations because women weren't as picky and were more likely to settle even if in their ideal world they wanted someone taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:04 PM
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Chad is getting whatever he wants. You think women are turning down relationships with chad? The average guy controls NOTHING. Just because he formally does the proposal doesnt mean the woman has no say. People agree to get married together its not the man's choice.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 06:58 PM
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Potentially yes. I know this sub acts like divorce is the worst layer of hell, but at least you got to experience love and family etc at least for a time. Being alone your entire life fucking sucks. Theres also the very real chance you dont get divorced and just have a fine relationship. It happens you know.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 06:56 PM
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No. Even divorced men still are glad for their kids. A lonely bachelor with zero family is not a good situation
/r/MensRights17/08/23 04:03 PM
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They get along with chad because they'll accept anything from chad. They dont get along with guys they settle for.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 02:48 PM
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It might be cheaper upfront but splitting expenses with a sig other makes life way cheaper than being single.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 02:47 PM
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ok thanos
/r/MensRights17/08/23 01:04 PM
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They dont like sharing, but if the choice is share someone you're attracted to, die alone, or be with someone you arent attracted to, many will pick to share.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 01:03 PM
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Nailed it.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 01:02 PM
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Passport bro is quite literally the only option for men who have no hope where they are at. But its not a GOOD option, its simply the best one of a terrible set of choices
/r/MensRights17/08/23 01:01 PM
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Agree with most of this, but please stop saying men control access to relationships. Most men are struggling to get a date let alone a relationship. When you arent in demand, you dont control shit. CHAD controls access to relationships because he's actually in demand. the average joe blow walking around that can barely get a date doesnt control access to shit. He'll probably settle for the first woman to even look his way
/r/MensRights17/08/23 01:00 PM
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the average girl isnt cute. lets be real. But they still think they deserve gigachad
/r/MensRights17/08/23 12:57 PM
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Yea men will fuck anything out of desperation. Women are more willing to be alone if they cant get what they want.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 12:52 PM
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Well traditionally it ends not so good but in the modern society I think it just ends with porn and video games.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 12:51 PM
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its why women will very often claim to see 'so many ugly guys with hot women'
/r/MensRights17/08/23 12:50 PM
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Women arent staying single to fight the patriarchy. They are staying single because they all want the same top men and those men dont want to actually marry them all, but only fuck them all. There is no future dating market unless we make drastic changes, which we will not. the future will be tons of single men because no women are interested. Tons of single women because they'd rather stay single than 'settle' with men equally attractive to themselves. and lots of immigrants and single moms.
/r/MensRights17/08/23 04:02 AM
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"plenty of leftists" also act like nothing is wrong with the dating world and if you're struggling as a man you need to bootstraps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:02 PM
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Basically the brad pitt rule to sum up everything you're saying I feel like. I would add that women have absolutely no idea what works in online dating or dating in general, dont ask them or get advice from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:40 PM
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they do it on purpose for attention
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:15 PM
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its because the leftist dont want to acknowledge there are actual problems because then they would need to acknowledge a need for solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:14 AM
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Just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:09 AM
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Just world fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:08 AM
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But look, if a man is trying to get a date and a lot of women dont want to be approached like you dont, what optiions does he have? He has to try to make friends first cause thats what a lot of women want. I feel like society has killed so many ways men used to meet women and now wondering why so many are alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 06:18 PM
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Well most of the women on PPD look down on that and say men who do that are being dishonest or fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:16 PM
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So men should try to date their friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:50 PM
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Dating apps play a large role in the dynamics right now that are leading to frustration for both men and women. If you get rid of them, people will be force to 'touch grass' more often to meet people which basically all of PPD constantly says is better for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:42 PM
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Reasonable solutions: Ban dating apps because of the destruction they're causing society Culturally Enforce monogamy, nuclear families, and gender roles Legalize prostitution 3 steps that will help. Now go ahead and make excuses why these things cant or shouldnt be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:36 PM
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Women pick men on stupid, vain, shallow criteria and then SHOCKER when they don't get the results they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:31 PM
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And then deny it to your face and say the mountains of evidence and data doesnt count because reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:52 PM
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i dont know man, it seems to be a trend in general. Even if its just a party at a friends house, there will be very few if any single women. Only guys, and women who are spoken for. its weird. it just seems like there are way more men out there, or the women who are out there arent going out much looking for men. I just dont see them anywhere, or when I do they're in groups and not looking to mingle.
/r/MensRights11/08/23 02:47 AM
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In-person is largely a sausage fest too. Even if you meet women there, it's not in the context of dating and you basically have to play a long game instead of just being direct and going on a date. ​ As bad as the dating apps are, the only dates I've ever gotten are from them. And I have a decent social life, but its simply requires a lot of luck to just run into interested women on anything like a consistent basis outside of the apps.
/r/MensRights11/08/23 12:21 AM
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Theres no other way to meet women though outside of blind luck. Apps are the bars of the modern age. if you dont do them, there's no other way to actively meet women for the purpose of dating
/r/MensRights11/08/23 12:19 AM
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the problem is men for not being taller or making enough money
/r/MensRights11/08/23 12:17 AM
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Real life is a sausage fest too. Most meetups and bars and other places are full of single lonely men. There's just not as much demand for men anymore. That's why you keep seeing articles and stories about this trend. Thats the reality. The OLD apps get the blame but its bad everywhere. Friends are good but that isn't a direct solution to the problem of 'I want to go on a date'. I've never gotten a date through a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:16 PM
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Yes they can just stop. Unless you're implying they're slaves who have no say in the matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:41 PM
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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-state-our-unions/202208/whats-behind-the-rise-lonely-single-men ​ The entire problem is a growing number of men who are left out of dating ​ And yes, that is the social contract. There is no reason for men to buy into the system if they cannot secure their basic desires of sex and having a family. They have no investment in the system or its future. ​ When you break the system down men stop participating
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:34 PM
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Its not shallow to want physical attraction in general. ​ its shallow to say ' must be 6 foot 3, white, ripped, dress this exact way' etc etc etc. Now, I guess it is possible that only these very narrow criteria are attractive to so many of these women, but I think it could also be just excessive pickiness on top of basic level of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:11 PM
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People are delusional and really think society will just chug along even if masses of men are angry frustrated and unmotivated
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:35 PM
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The trend is very clear man. I recommend this to get a better understanding of what he's saying. ​ https://brighteyes.substack.com/p/the-fuck-rate-is-about-to-implode
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:28 PM
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How do you deal with the loneliness, need for intimacy/compansionship etc? I have walked away but keep coming back cause being alone forever sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:33 PM
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The problem isn't men who cant look after themselves and other basic things. The problem is perfectly well put together, decent guys arent attractive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:31 PM
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No, which is why I didnt say that. I'm merely identifying that the problem is that women are only attracted to such a small number of men. Nothing else matters as long as this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:29 PM
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Because right now so many women want top men. They dont care if an average man is better today than he was tomorrow if they're filtering out average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:27 PM
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I agree most doesnt equal all, I never said all. Most women are no longer willing to settle. They have a hard minimum of standards (that are high) and would rather be single than lower them. Yes women can feel different at different times, but thats why I was speaking IN GENERAL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:27 PM
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Because women are rejecting these men before she even finds out anything like this. It's not like she's giving these men a chance, and then seeing they only want sex and leaving. She's ignoring the vast majority of these guys because she isnt' even attracted to them in the first place. For the men she is attracted to, she will have sex with them if she otherwise likes them and sometimes even if she doesnt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:29 AM
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Yes, thats me personally. with that bare minimum criteria I still have no options. How would increasing my standards help improve having no options
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:27 AM
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Yes, the other solution is for every man to be a top man but obviously that is impossible for many reasons including hard biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:26 AM
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This article goes into the maths a bit. https://www.eviemagazine.com/post/dating-apps-have-made-women-too-picky-for-the-wrong-reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:22 AM
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We have the data to make general statements about what most women want. Most women a rich hot attractive man to be with them exclusively. Pretty obvious and common sense right.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:20 AM
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they have no options to pick from. So no. the answer to someone with no options, is not to get more picky. that makes absolutely no sense
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:17 AM
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Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:16 AM
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In theory yes, but in practice most men are not in demand for either. They have little to no options for either and will likely take whatever they can get or someone who meets very minimal criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:15 AM
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Just because they can pick the hottest man, doesnt mean they have to. They could be selective on other criteria, like potential compatability based on interests. But no, they choose to pick the same hot guys no matter what. Because that's all they're even attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:13 AM
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This isn't true. Universities have more women and the result is the campus chad and tyrone are fucking a lot of women. The result should be that every guy is walking around with a gf. Not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:10 AM
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The answer would be to get rid of online dating so that everyone's dating pool is smaller again, and to culturally enforce monogamy and nuclear families again. This will never happen, but if we did this women would be less able to act on their extreme selectiveness. The extreme selectiveness is the problem, so you have to mute it as best you can or this is what you will get. Even this wouldnt work 100% but it would help.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:09 AM
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I get what you're trying to say but I disagree. Having an abundance of choice doesn't mean inherently you have to only go for the hottest guys. You could use the opportunity to genuinely look for the best possible match for you. Someone who has similar interests etc. They choose to only go for the hottest guys, because that's all they're even attracted to. You're making it sound like, she has so many options that she simply has no choice but to pick the hot guys. Thats false. She picks the hot g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:05 AM
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100% this. It comes down to being attractive enough mee the standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:02 AM
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This isn't just tinder either. Tinder might be the worst but all online follows the same patten.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:01 AM
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Also false. Most places in real life are sausage fests with bad ratios anyway, because there in general more thirsty desperate men than women. And even if you do find a place IRL with a good ratio, guess what, most of those women are extremely selective and only are attracted to a small number men. same issue. And just because you personally arent on online dating, the dynamics it creates are still in play. Women still feel the effects of having so many options or potential options, that they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 11:00 AM
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You dont need to try it, the math dictates it. Most women pick the same guys. Unless that changes, the ratio wouldnt matter, because most women will continue picking the same guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:57 AM
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Men are not as picky for commited relationships. Most men take whatever they can get. The men with options are picky, but the average joe blow has little to no options for sex or a committed relationship. PPD confuses the men in demand for the average invisible joe blow who will take whatever he can get or close to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:56 AM
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I've seen that also. Obviously the ratio makes it even worse, but it would still be a shit show even with a better ratio because so many women go after the same top guys. its too skewed either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:54 AM
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No, the solution would be reasonable selectiveness. Which isn't possible, because unless change society again to limit choice and change our culture again to value monogamy and nuclear families, this will continue. This is a product of the environment we've created, it has unleashed women's natural tendency to be picky to a crazy degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:53 AM
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I mean yes, but I dont see how I'm complaining by simply stating my opinion on the issue and I dont see how this comment relates to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:51 AM
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So this is interesting. I think if women could get anything they want, most would want a relationship with a top man they are actually attracted to. The next best thing is to at least have sex with men they are actually attracted to, but I think we can all agree this isn't making women happy in the long run. A handful of them eventually 'lock down' those top men, but the majority end up single and then have to settle for someone else they arent attracted to or end up alone. Both of those options…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:50 AM
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The problem with that is that the result is dating is fucked up with women largely being unhappy because they often get used by the top men who will not commit to them, and men are unhappy because more of them are being left out entirely(the rise of lonely single menhttps://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-state-our-unions/202208/whats-behind-the-rise-lonely-single-men) ​ I dont think women should fuck men they aren't attracted to. I never said they should. The point of this post was to just …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:45 AM
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I didnt say I knew what a good fit is for someone. But just picking the hottest guys that most other women are picking, clearly isn't looking for a good fit. its just looking for the hottest guys
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:43 AM
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It seems like you ignored the rest of the sentence. Women have alwats been hypergamous by nature but up until now that instinct was held in check by different factors in society. Such as, only having access to a smaller number of men in their social circle. We have unleashed this instinct now such that they can act on it to an insane degree, and not just online but eveerywhere. Women have become insanely picky and that is the entire problem with modern dating everywhere including online. Online,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:42 AM
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Where did anyone say this? I didnt say women have to or should try to be with someone they arent attracted to. All I did is identify that the problem is extreme selectiveness, not the ratio of men/women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:38 AM
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They wouldnt be because I'm not insanely picky. Thats the point, I understand women are insanely picky and thats the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:37 AM
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Where did I write that I only go on looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:36 AM
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He's not wrong, this would be more simple and get to the point than all the nonsense going on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:36 AM
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For men its not the opposite because most men cant find either
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:35 AM
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Because these women arent even getting what they want. the top guys are not settling down with them most likely. Women with common sense pick a man they can actually KEEP instead of constantly going for the very top who have no reason to take you as seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:53 AM
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Nobody said that. So why did you make it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:52 AM
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I didnt say they did....the point of this post is that they are extremely picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:41 AM
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Women can afford to get pumped and dumped by chad and tyrone. Most of these women are not getting what they want from these men. They're hoping for a relationship and only get used. What dating issues? The very obvious ones we talk about all the time, with a large amount of men being frustrated because women are too picky. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-state-our-unions/202208/whats-behind-the-rise-lonely-single-men ​ What kind of standards? The kind that results in the problems we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:41 AM
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Where did I say that? I said I find them physically attractive. After that other things would matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:37 AM
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Women have always been hypergamous by nature but they were never before able to act on it to this degree. Also, online dating doesnt only deliver visual impressions. You're allowed to read the profiles and get a picture of what the person is like. If all you do is look at the images and judge on attractiveness alone, thats your choice but you dont have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:35 AM
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No. I just need to be attracted to them and I'm attracted to at least 50% of the women I see where I live. After that I'd pick based on things that indicate we might be a good fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:33 AM
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It depends in what ways. I could understand really looking for a good match, but that's not what they do. The pattern is going for the hottest men, not the one's that could actually be a good fit for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:24 AM
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We literally know this isn't true and women get even more shallow on them than they are in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:23 AM
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Because your anecdotal experience isn't the full picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 03:22 AM
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We are completely on the same page. I just have not seen a ton of women saying looks dont matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:58 PM
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A 'good' relationship is not hard to find. Contrary to this PPD myth, most men are decent people that can be in a good relationship. Unless of course, by 'good' you mean with someone they're physically attracted to, then yes its very hard because women dont find most men attractive,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:50 PM
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lol so a man who can't get or struggle to get sex, can somehow be selective when trying to get a relationship? That makes sense to you? Women have the power in both. The men who can't get sex strongly overlaps with the men who struggle to find relationships too. Because they arent very attractive. A relationship is not rare for women. They can get relationships whenever the hell they want. What is rare is relationships with the men they desire. So, neither sex nor relationships are rare for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:12 PM
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Thats a gross misunderstanding of the 80/20 rule. 80/20 rule was never supposed to be taken literally but idiots ran with that because they didnt understand it. The 80/20 rule is simply a way to describe the general observation that a large majority of the women are only attracted to a small minority of men. Thats it. It doesnt literally mean at any given point in time 80% of them are fuking the top 20%. Now yes, there are some consequences of this observable reality, which we see with a lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:09 PM
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your source is another reddit thread. lol. I have no idea wtf is going on in there, but I can show you the direct survey here with 18-35 together. ​ https://gss.norc.org/Documents/codebook/GSS%202021%20Codebook.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:20 PM
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I think even of the top 15-20% of me maybe like half are actually fuckboying around. There are hot guys that want/have a hot GF. So maybe like 10% at best are not looking because they want to fuck 1000 women. Sounds right. Still most of those single guys are not in that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:08 PM
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Its common sense. The men that can be fuckboys are relatively rare. We all know this. But now all of a sudden all those 63% of single men are fuck boys banging women with no commitment. ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:51 PM
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Get real. Men will fuck anything. There is no way all these sexless men are passing up chances because she isn't a model. I haven't had sex in over 2 years. i would fuck any willing woman right now. Can't find one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:26 PM
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Yes normies. Fuckboys are rare. Vast majority of those are normies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:25 PM
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The women wont be happy with it. That doesnt mean they're going to fuck a man they aren't attracted to. Women can be celibate and satisfy themselves a lot easier than men. That's the entire problem right now. Women would rather wait for Chad Thundercock to come around and be single/celibate in the meantime, than get with a man they aren't attracted to ie the vast majority of available men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:23 PM
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Well ok, if PPD is wrong about that I'd love to see that become the prevailing narrative, but this sub likes to argue both depending on the narrative. it cant be both. Either average guys can get casual sex or they can't(in general). If you need evidence that men want to have sex, and that the best path for that is a relationship for the vast majority of those men, you're blind. Some of yall need some kind of peer reviewed study to believe the sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:09 PM
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A lot men are invisible to women, so what they deem as average is only after ignoring the bottom 30-40% entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:06 PM
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Not looking often because they are frustrated and gave up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:05 PM
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No they aren't. Men like women and want to get laid. For most men, the way to do is with a relationship. they're just finding it so impossible they aren't bothering anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:03 PM
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Yes it is unbelievable. Most men want to have sex, and as PPD constantly points out most men arent attractive enough for casual sex outside of a relationship. Most young men would love an actual relationship with regular sex but they cant get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:02 PM
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If you give up or are discouraged you wont look.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 04:01 PM
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No it doesnt. The recent GSS groups men from ages 18-35 together. It doesnt show whats happening with just men under 30, which is the group originally that was found to be super sexless.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:59 PM
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One man can fuck a lot of women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:58 PM
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"dating is hard for everyone not just men" triggers the hell out of me honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:32 PM
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100% noticed that. They will just tell you to do the opposite of whatever you're doing. there's no actual advice or guidance. If something happens to work they say you or they did the right thing. Nobody is willing to acknowledge how random it usually is at the end of theday.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:28 PM
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Yes....I know they downsell it but they rarely say it literally doesnt matter. that was my point. downselling isnt the same as saying it doesnt matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:26 PM
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Yea, I dont disagree but even those women dont usually say looks dont matter. They may say personality first and other bs but rarely will anyone outright say looks doesnt matter. that was my point
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:39 AM
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well I'm ugly too so not like I'm looking for a super model. We'll see
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:44 PM
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"many have found". Actually, online is by far the most common way relationships start now. The second most common way is meeting in bars. Both of these are equally shallow and looks based, but online at least has the numbers game on its side. https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-way-u-s-couples-meet/ ​ I'm not saying online is great. I'm saying, when your odds are awful either way, better to have 1000 wome to swipe on, than 3 women in a room. Value is not situational. Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:42 PM
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oh ok, I was thinking more of just being on a night at the bar or something. But even in this example, if there are only 3 women a mediocre man has a very very low chance one would be interested in him. And of those 3, maybe he himself isn't attracted to them for one reason or another. Better to have 100 options from online, than 3 even in real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:21 PM
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Dont know for sure. I've had Peru and Colombia recommended
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:18 PM
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how would the real world woman know how HVM you are if she isnt attracted enough to give you the time of day? Online, you could at least list/show off some things that indicate your status and wait for someone who's interested. ​ I'm not saying online is good by any means, but in terms of pure raw numbers game its a better chance than real life for mediocre looking men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:28 PM
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I dont think its this complicated. Men are resentful because women are extremely selective and it's largely based on things they cant do anything about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:59 PM
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I'm looking primarily at south america, basically countries that seem stable and not too racist. The reason why is that I've found dating in America impossible and I'd like to not be alone my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:30 PM
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100% a real thing. I'm looking into it myself
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:12 PM
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No, because I dont believe in doing things you have no interest in just to get women. I do things I actually want to do
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:12 PM
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Hmm, I would say generally no. The men who complain women are lying are usually the joe blows who tried all the 'game' nonsense and realized it was BS. The guys preaching game/humor/nonsense are the grifters who want to make money selling hope to desperate men. You wont get any views on your video if tell all the ugly short men the truth. Why would they watch. And women lack self awareness and say things they want to believe about themselves even if its not true
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:08 PM
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to be fair 'looks not mattering' was always an extreme thing very few ever said. But it has been really common to downplay how much it mattered and it being by the far the biggest factor, because people didnt update their beliefs for the new generation. There are still a lot of people walking around who's main dating experience is pre-social media and dating apps when people werent as shalllow
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:29 PM
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Many people know this but it sounds cruel to outright say, so they say things to that confuse men. Things about game, or humor, or other things that supposedly matter but they dont clarify that it only matters IF you are already attractive enough for it to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:25 PM
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this isnt even close to saying anything either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:15 PM
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There are many alternatives to approaching random women. Im not saying dont try at all, I'm saying you gotta use common sense at what might actually work and where you can have success. ​ For most men this isnt the way
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:14 PM
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That says women care less about looks than men do. I never said otherwise. My article says women care about looks more than they care about personality
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:03 PM
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I have tried it. I didnt conclude this out of thin air and neither have other men. ​ You already identified yourself as a top tier guy who this doesnt apply to
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:01 PM
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Also https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html ​ Results showed that a man's looks influenced both groups of women more strongly than his personality profile. This held true even if a man's profile was filled with highly desirable personal qualities, such as being respectful, honest and trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:59 PM
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Common sense and observable reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:58 PM
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If the standards remain high, no you dont have a better chance at a social venue because at least online you can play the pure numbers game a lot stronger. How many women might you meet in person in a month? Won't come close to the amount of women you can get in front of online in 24 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:58 PM
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If you have had women approach you and ask you out, you're in the top category of men. That does not happen to most men in their entire lives. You are the kind of guy who can approach women. Most of us are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:56 PM
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People need to realize looks are a THRESHOLD. it is not an equation. Looks are a binary either she is attracted enough to consider you, or she is not. If she is not, nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:55 PM
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Yes, its unfathomable because of the example I gave. ​ Hot guy, questionable personality gets a chance. He may even get pure hookup situation. ​ The reverse gets friendzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:53 PM
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Mcdonalds selling burgers is a false comparison. The right one would be Mcdonald's going up to random people and shoving burgers in their face asking if they're hungry and want one. And what would happen is people saying, "no, if I wanted one I would go to your restarurant and buy it, you dont need to hunt me down and shove it in my face while I'm minding my own business". Sales is a better analogy, but thats kind of the point. many people put 'no soliciting' on their houses to make it clear the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:50 PM
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There is no world in which women care about personality more than looks. Women will give a hot guy she isnt so sure about a chance. She will not even bother with a guy she likes but isn't attracted to. That is by definition a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:42 PM
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its not that you CANT obviously, but its not something women want. For a guy, it isnt fun feeling like a predator, a threat, or at best an extreme annoyance which is what you will be unless you're pretty attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:40 PM
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Its definitely a factor, but unless women come back down to reasonable standards it wouldn't matter. Getting rejected online isnt that different than doing it at a bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:37 PM
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I would say generally say it impacts how they act or what they do with women they want to get with but hard to be specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:09 PM
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Because women arent attracted to the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:36 PM
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I dont think i was arguing for or against any of those points. ​ I'm saying most of the reasons women want divorce are just because they feel like it. they 'fall out of love' and 'just arent happy anymore'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:13 PM
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Yea, I'm speaking only from the perspective of where I'm from(USA). The typical woman at 35 has way way way WAY more options than the typical man at 35. Easily. Are you disagreeing with this? make both profiles on a dating app and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:11 PM
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I answered with reality. What women say is often not the reality of what they mean or even do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:44 PM
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The men who are single at 35 are generally lower quality than the men who are already taken by 35. They might want prime 25 yr olds, but most of them cant get those women. Most of them are going to settle for the woman in her 30s who's willing to finally give them a chance IF that even happens. Some of yall are outright delusional about this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 03:07 PM
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The red pill is super mainstream. Most guys I know understand at least the basics and accept it as common sense pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:50 PM
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This is the reasons they give but that doesnt make it true. ​ the reality is women just get bored and want new dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:46 PM
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they arent forced to do anything. Some of them settle to have a wedding or take advantage of someone but they are typically happier single than with someone they arent attracted to(80% of men). Thats the core problem with dating today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 02:45 PM
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Some of yall dont live on earth
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:52 PM
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Thats ok, because they would rather be alone if they cant get one of those top guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 12:51 PM
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most men will take whatever they can get as soon as they can. But that doesnt mean they like the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:18 PM
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OP. here's what it is. It's the idea that you were ignored your entire life and NOW women who are getting more desperate or are 'experienced' pick you to the be the safe settle down guy. Its like, if you ask a girl to the dance and she says no at first, but then a week later says 'heyyyy you still free'. As a guy, you would say wait, what changed? You probably didnt get the guy you wanted and now I'm the backup plan. ​ Its not a good feeling compared to finding someone who picks you first.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 03:16 PM
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TRP is just very different from blue pill normie society's idea of things thats all. Its common sense at the end of the day if you think about it, but its very different from what normies believe
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:23 AM
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What kind of delusional nonsense is this. Women have no equivalent option because they have absolute no need for this whatsoever. They dont have to fly over oceans to get attention lol. They can do it by walking down the street. Passport bros isnt a flex. Its a depressing necessity
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:20 AM
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Joe blow is average at best in every category. Looks, height, money, status, personality everything
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:03 PM
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Correct, but they were still accepted for other things they can offer. Not anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 07:02 PM
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Not saying it doesnt happen, but PPD will have you believing the typical man doesnt wipe his own butt. its not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:51 PM
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No but she still has a lot of options and her ego is exploded high enough that a regular joe blow isnt enough for her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 03:50 PM
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Yes women have higher standards. clearly. They have more options than ever before via technology, which on its own leads to higher standards. Then, add the cultural things that have happened like more women not wanting children, social media making people more shallow, women having more money etc etc on end. I really dont know what planet you have to be on to even question this. Men arent that different now. If a ton of men 30 years ago realized no matter what they do they cannot attract women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:01 PM
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Correct, but even with that situation, look at the price of the house compared to salaries. It would have been much easier to put a lot of cash down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:56 PM
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And cultural reasons. Fewer women want children, more accepted to be single etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:55 PM
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This only applies to top 1% ers. Most men are desperately looking for 1 woman to give the time of day and care about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:32 AM
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This is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:23 AM
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there's no such thing. Women have value just by existing, being feminine, and not fat. Thats it. High/low value applies to men, who actually have to earn their status. ​ Women just exist
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 12:22 AM
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Dating apps drastically change the sexual marketplace whether you personally use them or not. ​ Social media inflates the egos of mid women such that equivalent men are priced out of dating. Social media like Instagram are used like dating apps with high value men dming women and inflating their standards. ​ Body positivity inflates egos and standards of mid and ugly women such that equivalent men are priced out. Feminism makes women unhappy in good marriages too, they simply constantly want mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:09 PM
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Dating Apps, Social media, body positivity, feminism, Sloot culture etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 05:00 PM
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Men had no problems dating until society fucked up the sexual marketplace. to deny that is just willful ignorance
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 04:48 PM
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Women stop chasing chads and value the things they actually claim to value in a man/relationship Women stop fucking a billion guys before marriage Women approach men instead of waiting around for no reason at all
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:43 PM
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If you're that worried dont have kids with her
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 03:20 AM
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This is an absolute joke
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:59 PM
1

Look I get it, helps for some. Being in shape, having muscles never made any difference for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:57 PM
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appreciate the condolences and good for you that things got better. ​ However.....looks dont have to be everything. there's a threshold though. I'm well under the threshold such that nothing else about me matters. women need to be physically attracted to men now. I'm too low on the scale to get any interest. its just the reality. I dont know why PPD tries to avoid this harsh truth so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:10 PM
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The point is it makes it a lot more painful to do so with the legal/financial ramifications of doing so. ​ Its weird how men are so scared of being married, but then at the same time act like its no big deal you can just walk away. ​ Obviously there are big consequences for walking away in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:36 PM
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it depends why they're incels. We gotta be honest that the standards are a lot more shallow. If a man is an incel cause he's just pretty unattractive, there's not much he can do. I've done most of what people say you should(get in shape, be social, make friends, good job etc) and nothing changed. So why bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:39 PM
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The end game is men revolting and society collapsing
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:28 PM
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It already is as I explained. If you want kids that is objectively the best situation for it. this generation is simply so selfish that they dont consider doing anything for the better for another person, not even their own kids, as valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:52 AM
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Or we could just value marriage like every functioning generation before this
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:42 AM
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Because women like to gaslight themselves and each other to feel better about themselves. Again, do you honestly think women need some sophisticated stratgey to lockdown average men? Get real. Its about getting the top dogs. 666
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:40 AM
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Are you kidding me? FDS is literally all about getting the top men, whom most women view as 666ers. Just because they dont say it like that doesnt mean that's not what they're talking about. you think they need dating strategy to get an average man? Its to get 666ers
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:19 AM
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....its not about it being the governments business. Its about formal commitment that is more secure, stable, provides certain legal rights and privileges etc. what the hell is wrong with people to destroy this institution on purpose. idiots
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:54 AM
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Nobody knows if they can be together for two decades. But its a much better shot if they're formally committing and putting skin in the game, instead of intentionally avoiding it. that much is obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:52 AM
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Most men are desperate with low or even no standards. ​ only women have these high standards nobody can meet
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:56 PM
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Yes, pick out 5 people from a community of millions. ​ Just stop
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:56 PM
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marriage is more stable. Obviously it doesnt matter if you never have any problems or serious problems, but marriage puts a more serious commitment upfront so you generally get people who are more serious about it and that leads to better outcomes than people just popping out kids with no formal commitment to the situation. It also provides the barriers to splitting up. And that obviously matters. you have more of an incentive to work through things when divorce can get messy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 11:02 PM
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ok, good for you I understand that this happens. I never said you cant be good parents or anything if you arent married. But it isnt the IDEAL, BEST situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:44 PM
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Sorry, my perspective is from USA. No, it doesnt just provide having to go to court. In the USA for example it gives a lot of power if someone got sick and needed others to make decisions for them. ​ Again, its not a religious relic. I understand people think that, but those people are idiots who dont understand the purpose of it to society. ​ I understand some women dont want marriage either. those women shouldnt have children if they arent willing marry the father of their own kids. ​ I'm sorr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:40 PM
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You're making a different argument. I'm not saying marriages all work out, everyone who's married are good parents or any of that nonsense. I'm saying that, if you're about to have a kid, and you want to give him the best possible situation, that means the parents being married and having that level of formal commitment recognized by law. Obviously, you have to.....be a good parent and love each other etc. No shit sherlock. But to try to normalize refusing to marry the mother of your kid is stup…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:33 PM
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Cool, thats fine. doesnt change that the best situation for children is a family with married parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:30 PM
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Im not saying you need to be married to be a good parent. I'm saying that if you're not willing to marry someone, you sure as shit shouldnt be willing to create and raise a person with them A household of 2 married parents is the ideal, best situation for your kid. If you question this, at all, you're a moron. You should be willing to give them that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:20 PM
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No it doesnt, because in one environment there's a much stronger level of commitment that provides more stability. Telling little johhnny that daddy refuses to marry mommy so that he can get away from her scott free whenever he chooses, is not some wonderful thing. The fact that so many people believe this nonsense now makes it now wonder our society is decaying. you people are crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:09 PM
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"Though they have many of the same legal protections as a marriage, civil unions are only recognized by individual states rather than by federal law, like a marriage. The benefits and rights granted by civil unions vary from state to state, and not all states recognize civil unions." There's a reason gay people fought for the right to marriage. They weren't idiots doing it for no reason as if it was the exact same thing. Its not. And again, if its so similar.......why not get married like normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:01 PM
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Bullshit. Marriage doesnt have to be religious, non-religious people get married all the time. its a social institution that binds people's lives legally and in other ways for stability. ​ There's no reason to "prefer another arrangement" unless you're for some reason worried about marriage. Again, if you wouldnt marry her dont pop out a kid with her either. ​ You obviously dont need an expensive wedding to be married. Some people just go down to the court. ​ Suck it up and do it for your family…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:44 PM
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Where did I say otherwise? This is a completely different point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:40 PM
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If you wouldnt marry someone, why would you have a kid with them? you know having a kid is 100 times a bigger decision than getting married. ​ And yes it does matter to the kids well being. I have no fucking idea how feminism convinced all these women it doesnt matter. it absolutely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:32 PM
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....why? If you're willing to have a kid with someone, why wouldnt you be willing to marry them? As if the kid isnt a way bigger deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:30 PM
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Yea Im sure it'll be fun explaining to little Johnny why daddy refuses to marry his mom like all the other families. I'm sure he'll understand when you explain you want to be able to leave her at any moment. It wouldnt even make sense. Having a child with someone is way bigger of a commitment than marriage. Why would you be willing to have a kid with someone but not marry them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:29 PM
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Nah this isnt true. Vast majority of women in poor countries dont even have access to men with money by and large. Just isnt true. They look for good men with values and commitment because thats all they can even get. ​ Women in the west now are uniquely chasing chads. its all that matters cause worse case scenario they can get everything else from somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:59 PM
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We need to distinguish some things. Women dont look at resources anymore for a large part of life because they arent even trying to be serious. they just want to fuck guys they are sexually attracted to. They are 'having their fun' etc. Now yes, if a woman decides 'its time to settle down now', she will want someone who makes more(a lot more) money than her as a baseline. She wont even consider anyone doing less. But thats just a baseline. She will still find that she isnt attracted to these men…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:46 PM
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They dont go for average men because what average men used to offer(stability, good provider etc) doesnt matter anymore. they dont care about a man's job if they already can take care of themselves and everything they need. Sure, if we're talking mega rich, women are still attracted to that because it represents a new level of lifestyle they can access. But that's rare. The typical guy who just has a good job or something means nothing anymore. you need to be legit rich, 1% type of money for tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:31 PM
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No they cant. Most men can barely get any attention at all right now, they dont have the chance to get high value virgins
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:02 PM
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Women dont care about resources anymore because they have their own. Thats one of the problems right now and why average men have so little value. What really matters now is raw masculine attraction. Thats really it. Women dont need anything else. They can get resources from themselves or from the state. Its normalized to raise kids on your own now(single moms) ​ None of those other things matter anymore. thats the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:00 PM
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Yes, many guys but most easily myself. What we all have in common is we're physically unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:52 PM
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Children have better outcomes with married parents. So yes, if a man cares about his kid's futures, he should get married and have kids within a family structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:50 PM
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They're already hardwired for this, they will just fall back on their natural programming
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:49 PM
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Thats because women find almost every man utterly unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:22 PM
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I think you've got it a bit backwards, I should have been more clear. Its not that you wont do anything beyond the desire to get pussy. ​ Its that if you arent getting pussy, you care a lot less about doing all that crap because you're so unsatisfied at such a basic level. Why kill yourself to make billions of dollars if what you really want is to have sex and either way you aren't getting it? ​ I'm not motivated in life anymore because I can't get women, cant have sex, will never have a family …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 05:44 PM
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As bad as apps are, women dont like being approached by random men unless they are attractive. The results an average or below average man gets doing that, will be so god awful, it makes more sense to do the same thing through apps and its just easier and you get in front of more women in less time. ​ Also, yes apps are reflective of real life. its the same women. Why PPD acts like there's some separate species of women who are online, and when you go outside none of this women think or do the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 04:54 PM
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Just think about it. Do you think women who marry later in life, when they have fewer or worse options are more attracted to the man, or less attracted to the man, than women who are marrying earlier? Common sense says less attracted because they are more likely to be compromising. ​ Marriages involving older women are more likely to be a situation where she is compromising on physical features (aka not really attracted to the man) for other benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:24 PM
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if he's attractive, that wont matter. He'll still get some opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:06 PM
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If a man is struggling to even get dates/opportunities at all, he's most likely ugly/physically unattractive. ​ If a man can at least get in the door, there are at least some women who are interested every so often, but nothing sticks, there could be other factors. ​ But the bottom line is, the BIGGEST and most common reason men are so frustrated are a lack of opportunities because not enough women find them baseline physically attractive. there's no other way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:05 PM
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I want them to stop gaslighting men about what really matters. Stop talking about personality when the vast majority of the time the decision to reject is from looks alone because you arent baseline attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:38 PM
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The women of PPD dont say you need a sexy personality. They say 'good' personality. That if you cant get women, your personality must suck and people dont like being around you in general. Now yes, I agree being sexy is a factor, but thats not the same thing as what PPD women say. They make it sound like anyone struggling just isnt a redeemable person or something. "your personality must suck" isnt the same thing is "your personality isnt sexy".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:36 PM
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Women openly say this. Its hard to specifically study but women openly talk about this all the time. https://www.regain.us/advice/attraction/not-sexually-attracted-to-husband-6-tips-for-getting-the-spark-back/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:33 PM
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No we dont, we get friendzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:30 PM
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makes sense. please tell the women of PPD not getting women doesnt mean you have a shitty personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:59 AM
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it seems pretty obvious that monogamous cultures got ahead because more men were bought into the system, cooperated, and worked harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 02:08 AM
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It depends OP. Once you satisfy reasonable standards(job, in shape, social life etc), anything beyond that doesnt really make sense unless you're doing it for a reason. I was making 6 figures, in shape, had friends/hobbies and people were STILL telling me I had to improve more because I still couldnt get women(ugly ethnic short guy). At some point, a man has enough for himself personally and the only reason he will go beyond is for a reward, if he's being honest with himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 01:58 AM
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Thats because it isnt romantic compatibility. These men arent even getting far enough with these women to determine that. Its LOOKS. Its raw baseline attraction that is based on physical features.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:42 AM
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if you are unattractive or meh looking, it takes a ton of money to get hot young girls. those the most desirable women. They are not going after billy beta with a solid tech job. They are not. At that age they are going after legitmately rich ballers, or hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:41 AM
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Most men take whatever they can get, and desperately pine after even mediocre women hoping for anything Women are the ones who very happily walk away when they cant get the handful of men they actually want. ​ The point is, the wall is not a big deal. Nothing changes that much. Women are still way more in demand than men, have tons of choice. they just need to lower their standards to what it probably should have always been anyway. Men still lose
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:39 AM
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the rates are highest for women who settle for men they arent really attracted out of desperation later in life
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:30 AM
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most men are not, cannot, and never will be dating women 15 years younger and good looking. If you are doing that, congrats, but your average joe blow isnt doing that and never can/will. ​ Women at 40 have to lower their standards, and maybe they hate that but its STILL better than billy beta who has been struggling his entire life, working on himself just so he's an option to these old women. Thats not a victory
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:27 AM
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I wrote the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:25 AM
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Romantic compatibility isnt the same thing as good or bad personality. you still like their personality. You wouldnt be friends with someone who has a shit personality. I think highly of all my friends, which is the case for most people. ​ PPD women very often say struggling men must have shit personalities, not that they are just incompatible with certain women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:23 AM
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Yea if he was rich but most Billys arent rich. they're just guys with solid jobs
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 12:21 AM
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No you cannot. Right now the core of it is how your face looks, how tall you are, and your race
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:44 PM
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After getting ran through in their 20s and then getting older and realizing thats their only options left, yes many women will settle for average eventually. Are they happy? Divorce rates, dead bed room rates, declining marriage rates in general etc etc would suggest results are mixed at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:36 PM
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the younger girls arent going for billy. they're going for hot guys who are now older and still playing the field. ​ Billy cant pump and dump them as easily cause those girls 'know what they want now' and 'dont hookup anymore teehee'
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:16 PM
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at the age he's talking about many of those women do have kids. the ones who dont are high enough value that competition will be more
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 09:01 PM
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the kind of men interested in LTRing those women are the ones who are desperate. billy beta has been working and improving himself for the privilege of getting these post wall women. he's going to do it, or else what was he improving for?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:49 PM
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well then why do so many of these guys make a big deal of it. I definitely think there's this revenge component to it like 'well just wait till you hit the wall then I'll be the one laughing' and its just not reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:40 PM
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Your first sentence is perfect. Its necessary but not sufficient. So how come, when men come in here and struggle with dating the PPD women largely say that the issue must be personality? As if, if one merely has an acceptable personality, there's no reason he's not getting laid? {Oh and the other strawmans of "you must not shower or wipe your butt" and other nonsense that does not apply to 99% of men.) ​ basically the women of PPD very frequently pretend that a guy struggling to date must have …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:25 PM
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I didnt say women are generally friends with betas. Women can be friends with anyone, but the point is personality is not what's determining if she wants to fuk someone. Because by defintion, she likes all of her friends personalities and still doesnt want to fuk them. Thats what friends are, people you like but dont want to fuk. ​ And yes included in her group are often betas. Those are the guys she's friends with who she knows barely/never gets laid. Women dont think those guys are angry about…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:17 PM
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those angry dudes are the same friends lol. Do women not realize their beta friends that never get laid are angry about it? I have girl friends, they dont know I go online and talk about this shit. I dont have terrible personality. But I'm still angry about the modern dating situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:01 PM
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this is cope. An unattractive man is an unattractive man. Unless he really gets rich or something, all it means is maybe a few women get desperate and will want him to be their Beta. Is that some success story? Billy beta has been single and sexless for almost his entire 20s, but now he's 34 and OMG these used up women want to marry him. So exciting?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:57 PM
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its a complete cope for loser men. The "wall" at worst, means a woman will have to lower her standards down to average men. Thats it. She'll still have many options. They just will tend to be more average. Still way better than the vast majority of men will do in their entire lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:54 PM
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I agree with this. I think PPD women refuse to acknowledge that the first group exists or how large it is, where nothing saves you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:01 PM
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PPD women deny this all the time lol. Men come in here and say they cant get women because of looks and get told it has to actually be their shit personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 04:59 PM
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Hm, I agree with this but isnt that at odds with all the women of PPD who claim women value personality so much? If someone wants to be friends with you, clearly they like your personality. Otherwise, why would you be their friend? So why are women not interested in all these men who have good personalities and only want to be friends? ​ Hmm, its almost like physical attraction is the barrier to entry and personality without that means friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 03:31 PM
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Nobody individually is entitled to anything, but society as a whole is built on a social contract that includes certain things. For example. if food isnt available to people, you wont have a society because starving people revolt. A similar concept applies to women, that our society will need to face at some point. If a large amount of men cant get laid, cant get a married, cant have a family, they lose by far the biggest incentive to cooperate in society. And the results are always ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 12:52 PM
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Evidence would suggest zero
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 07:53 PM
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'Watch what they do, dont listen to what they say'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 02:01 PM
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Men arent going to be dressed up particularly nice just walking around at random, Women do that, but men wont do it unless they're trying to get women
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:41 PM
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