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60	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale.	Edu./Occu.	fudediluji	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 01:48 AM

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-2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I understand that. But it's a major logical leap from "this study is biased" to "academia generally is conspiring against me." The pipeline from anti-feminist anti-SJW to alt-right is well documented. That's not one person. That's not a cabal. That's just the literature.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 07:48 AM
0	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. You realize that bias in science can absolutely be a thing, right? People who are already biased against anti-vaxxers will interpret the data however they see fit. I have been hanging out with other anti-vaxxers for months and I have literally never see anybody die. At most, I see some infants get polio, but that's not the same thing.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 07:36 AM
-3	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Manosphere =/= MRA. It's a set within a set. These groups are not the same group. They just share the same problem: a weakness to alt-right manipulation.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 06:38 AM
5	Why menslib is wrong, and why feminism is insufficient to address men's issues. (AKA, why we need the mens rights movement) I think the OP mixed up two important arguments. One of the conclusions the study makes is that because the word "women" is used more in MR, this indicates that MR is more focused on being against women/misogyny; but this is unsubstantiated and pure conjecture. Comments such as "The MRM supports equality for men and women" and "Women in my school are pro-MRA" would be counted in the final tally, but obviously not examples of bias or misogyny. The original paper made two arguments: The use of the…	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 03:47 AM
-1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I have not seen the curvature of the Earth, but I know it's not flat. We rely on science to show us what we cannot see. The scientific literature is very clear here. The the source the original paper indicated was unambiguous. Whether or not you choose to see the problem is not at issue.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 03:21 AM
2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Oh, I see what's going on. You're thinking that he's commenting on the underlying ideology. I don't think that's what's happening. Take a look at this part: [On a quote from MR] Here we are not so interested in contesting the factual basis of this quote, even though we find the claims highly suspect. Instead, we are asking what ideologies would emerge that would make this quote appear commonsense or obvious. The authors acknowledge at the top that they disagree with the ideology of MR, but are q…	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 03:15 AM
2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I've noticed this trend on reddit. Somebody will make an argument in a study. Then a redditor will skim down to the references and find just the title of the source. Then he'll post just the title like "see! I told you they were biased!" It's completely unscientific thinking. It's a thought-terminating cliche. There is nothing off limits about studying reddit's algorithm, governance, or culture. When you share stolen nude pictures of somebody, including during the Fappening, you're being a toxic…	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 02:52 AM
0	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. He can't post it here because I posted here first. And one of the authors just commented in my thread.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 02:36 AM
2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Lol, you goof, there's a literal citation in the study.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 02:31 AM
1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. But doesn't the rule "don't talk in church" tell us something about the group's ideology? It's possible that a group where you're allowed to call a woman a cunt and a group where you're not allowed to call a woman a cunt would use the word the same amount of times if they were allowed to do so. But the fact that they made the rule, and therefore don't use that word, tells us something about them.	/r/MensRights	20/06/19 02:28 AM
2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Was it your intention to make a moral judgement? Does the paper take a stand on the ideology?	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 09:58 PM
1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Why do we dissociate moderation policy from ideology? The whole point of the paper is to describe how an ideology can affect a community. Is not moderation a form of platform metadata?	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 09:54 PM
1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I mean, yeah, because I posted it here. Reddit won't let you double post the same link.	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 09:42 PM
0	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I don't think that's fair. When it comes to scientific analysis, you shouldn't "intend" to get any result. But it's okay to be "persuaded" by the evidence. The time difference between the paper getting posted in ML vs MR is like five minutes. It's reasonable to say "the paper got posted in both forums" at about the same time.	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 07:16 PM
1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I don't think your inverted example is biased... assuming you're starting a sourced, scientific paper that is going to investigate the claims. For example, I mentioned infantilization as a good starting point for investigation "more agent." I think you're going to have trouble with the "promotion of ideological propaganda" bit, but, hey maybe the data will show a statistical link between, say, the propaganda of North Korea, and the linguistic patterns at r/menslib. The important part is not the …	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 07:13 PM
2	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. His paper tells us nothing about what the users of Menslib would say if they were actually free to speak, if their conversations weren't so tightly restricted by the feminist mods. With respect, I think this is bullshit. It's one thing to say, "if the moderation policy at r/menslib were less restrictive, people who believed it was okay to call a woman a cunt would be welcome, and therefore we would see more people calling women cunts." It's another entirely to say "if this moderation policy were…	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 07:03 PM
4	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Assertions have to be sourced. So if they make the claim "some people are saying," then they actually have to back it up by sourcing from the scientific literature where people actually said that. If you look at the study, the very next thing they do is say "this is where people said that." And it turns out, there's a wealth of people in academia who have written some very negative material about MR. I challenge you to go find the source they could have used to praise MR.	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 06:07 PM
4	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. As I understand it, the reason this is the first sentence of the paper is because it's the claim we're going to investigate. So the important thing to look at when investigating the validity of an opening sentence like this is whether or not you have the computational linguistic data to falsify or support the assertion. For example, if there were some data that suggested that one sub used the word infantilization more, you might have a good case about "women as moral agents." But that's not real…	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 05:58 PM
-1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. What's the difference between "selective interpretation" and "didn't consider an alternate hypothesis"? If he selectively cherrypicked some data to fit a preconceived point, I want to see the data he overlooked. If you have a better interpretation of some data, for example if he made a flawed inference, then I want to hear your interpretation of the data and why I should buy your interpretation of the data over the author's. And again, I seriously don't think this guy is "favoring" any ideologic…	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 07:03 AM
1	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. That's not how bias works in science. Non-biased does not mean "I have no opinion one way or another." It means, I follow the evidence wherever it leads. So in order to make the point that a scientist is biased, the onus is on you to say "this is the piece of evidence that the guy overlooked" or "this is the alternate hypothesis that didn't get considered." The guy probably posted the data over there first because the results are not particularly flattering for this community.	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 06:45 AM
4	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I don't think the author is making an ideological point. In fact, I was a little hesitant to even post this article because I don't think there are really any men's issues at question. It's just a linguistic analysis of two ideologically polarized communities. "These guys use these words. These other guys use these other words. Here are some patterns you can find in one or both."	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 06:26 AM
0	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I'd like to hear which interpretation got biased and how. I'd like to hear the competing hypotheses and the evidence for and against.	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 06:03 AM
3	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. I don't think he's making an assertion here. I think he's pointing out a popular conception (or misconception) and then saying "in this paper we're going to investigate this scientifically, and here's the approach we're gonna try," It's kind of like if the first sentence of a science paper said "some people say the Earth is flat. Let's test that."	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 05:48 AM
6	A computational linguist just did his thesis on r/Mensrights, specifically on how we can use machine learning to analyze how ideological differences manifest in patterns of language use at scale. Yeah, I had the same thought. The author makes a similar point: In a similar vein, there is merit to looking at the language in the lowest-scoring comments as a distinct category, rather than aggregating them with everything else below the 95th percentile of scores. This may help us indicate what sort of language is policed or considered out of bounds. It's possible that, though the deleted data may not be available, or is too contaminated to be used, we can still get an idea of what is being po…	/r/MensRights	19/06/19 05:38 AM