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During the agricultural era this was true. Not when we had Hunter-Gatherers and not now in the modern era. It WAS necessary. Back then.
/r/MensRights21/08/24 01:17 PM
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Yeah it's mainly like one feminist and 10+ of her burner accounts when you engage in debate.
/r/MensRights06/08/24 01:51 PM
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Until being a men's rights activist means being egalitarian rather than traditionalist (i.e. conservative) then I don't suspect there will be many.
/r/MensRights05/08/24 01:19 PM
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Some of us, actually many of us, want lots and lots of sex partners. Completely random ones in fact that we've never met. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, because we evolved to do that. The whole shame, repression, monogamy thing is the unnatural thing. It's okay to be natural if you aren't harming anybody. When society isn't mouthing to put shame and stigma on it, it's not harmful. When we educate ourselves on birth control and medicine, it's not harmful. Repression makes people into a…
/r/MensRights04/08/24 01:40 AM
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They all intersect. ❤️ Hope we become better as a society.
/r/MensRights28/07/24 12:49 AM
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I hear you but I know the feeling of wanting to not exist because I'm not sexually fulfilled. So yeah I speak from at least my own experience. I just realize, even if I did it in a final act of protest against how we think in society about keeping things like sex work illegal, it still wouldn't matter to people. Really, it's about control and the only way you'll all stop trying to control us is force or somehow finally being convinced but that's far less likely. Look at this guy? https://www.red…
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:41 PM
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Oh I've been in the community about 11 years, used to even have Paul Elam on my Facebook friend's list. I used to run numerous groups there as well, Anita Sarkeesan even published a rant against one. The fix for this is the Al Bundy technique called "No Ma'am". It was a 90s comedy trope but honestly, that's exactly what we have to do. Zero tolerance for misandry or misandrist policy in society. They keep their freedom, just not their freedom from consequences. Men need to be protected. "And I st…
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:29 PM
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I'm sorry man, nothing like regretting a marriage, been there.
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:18 PM
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So you'll defend your stance right up until someone proves you wrong?
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:16 PM
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Probably not, we live in a society where feminists who are hell-bent on painting the narrative that men SHOULD have their sexual needs repressed run the psychology departments. Who do you think authorizes the studies?
/r/MensRights27/07/24 04:15 PM
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"But now I'm thinking, it's not gonna help men much. It even plays into women's hands:" Women aren't the enemy, the mainstream ideology is. Look at East Asia, the women will say it's nature for men to seek sex and sex work is ignored or legal in much of it. "* You make it sound like men are un-evolved beasts. If buying sex becomes mainstream, women will more easily see men as pigs, creeps, etc." We're about 20 years past when we should've stopped giving a damn. We need them to stop these meetup …
/r/MensRights27/07/24 12:42 AM
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No. Plenty of adults are very hedonistic and open to all sort of partners without strings. You're calling swingers children just because they like sex?
/r/MensRights26/07/24 10:26 PM
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But you misandrist feminists actually keep it illegal and you keep claiming women are forced when platforms like onlyfans prove they aren't. You've also managed to change the legal definition of rape over and over for 40+ years so really that's a problem.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 09:51 PM
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Nobody asked you to misandrist.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 09:49 PM
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Ah so you're a misandrist. Men pursue sex in nature, it's what we do. You're saying we HAVE to have emotional strings, you're the toxic one and clearly a misandristic feminist. Don't try to flip it, you are the one making additional demands even after consent.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 09:47 PM
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Well, I think it's great that you live your way but I don't think that lifestyle of distracting with everything else should be mandatory. Yes, if you put food in front of hungry people they anguish for food. If it's never in front of them, they don't anguish as much for it in their hunger. My solution is decriminalized sex work, very loose laws on places like strip clubs and other paid ways men can pursue sex on their terms. My solution is ending the narratives that men are pigs, dehumanizing, c…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 09:45 PM
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I don't think we need to expect more than sex from sex. It's sex. Do I? Sure. Do I have to in order to be a "decent human being"? According to you.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 05:08 PM
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So you're advocating to end onlyfans because it plays on men's emotional needs but you're okay with full service? Okay well, I think that's a better system for men to be sure. We agree on what's important it would seem.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 05:04 PM
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If masculinity is you telling us players and mongers that we need to keep it in our pants, then go get with your 1620s Puritan wife and live your traditional life without me. I'm a hedonist. If masculinity can't be notches in my bed post, the man show, Swedish bikini team, hooters, etc then I don't want masculinity. I'll put on a dress first. I guess, come to think of it, that some guys actually did that.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:42 PM
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Just stay in your lane. If you don't want sex don't go for it, you have no idea what pain many of us go through being repressed. You have no effing idea and you never will. We don't want to be monks and just FYI look up Ikkyu.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:38 PM
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I hear ya, 90% of the interactions I have in groups like these imply that those of us who are more sex driven are a problem. I see no difference in the outcome between these tradcon advocates and misandrist feminists. They both insist we keep it in our pants and want laws to force it that way. You couldn't imagine how that is unless you have that hungry beast within.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:36 PM
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Thinking you're entitled to emotional intimacy when someone just wants sex is toxic. Get it right my guy.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:33 PM
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Again when did anybody talk about virgins. If you're a virgin, that's your choice. You probably didn't have a big enough libido to at least save some money for a prostitute.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:32 PM
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I'm absolutely advocating for profiting on men's sexual urges, not "loneliness", stop being a huge pussy and deal with being a loner. You're trying to paint men paying for sex and getting it immediately just because they have cash, entirely on their own terms, as victimhood. You sound like a feminist.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:30 PM
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Sounds like a horrible marriage and an argument to be a hedonistic player. Not for some stoic bs about getting disciplined. You're missing out on life if sex is important to you. If it's not, then my point still stands that you have less libido. People with high libidos don't WANT to control it, because why? All this so called purpose for controlling it is copium at best.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:27 PM
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Did I even say a thing about virginity?
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:24 PM
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Just fully decriminalize it and the problem will largely be solved for a lot of men.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 02:03 PM
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You might end yourself if you have a high libido and don't get it. You ever really ask yourself why male suicide is sky high?
/r/MensRights26/07/24 02:02 PM
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We are sex hungry beasts and that's called nature.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 02:01 PM
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Yeah and that's a bit of the problem isn't it, a lot of guys like you advocate against the rest of us getting sex because ... hey... it didn't effect you.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 02:00 PM
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Men don't have to care.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:59 PM
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Feminists made up a whole lot of concepts on what consent is. It used to be no means no and the makeout portion was entirely on implied consent. We didn't look at a sex worker as an automatic victim. We didn't consider a player a predator. Feminism just rewrote the rules we all played by for thousands of years, particularly in the last 26 years or so starting with the UNC psychology professor who popularized "objectification" (sexualization).
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:58 PM
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It is a need though, if the lack of it drives a person to mental anguish (which it does), it's a need. It's going to slowly lead said person to their demise.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:55 PM
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Blah blah blah, you just don't have a sex drive and think we shouldn't either.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:51 PM
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Yeah and they do it from a feminist lens. We COULD do it from a masculine lens like we did in the 80s and 90s. The man show, Swedish bikini team, etc. We used to "objectify" women because back then male sexuality wasn't repressed by feminist psychobabble. Don't confuse white knights with every high libido man. I don't care if sex working women benefit, that's a system that works for both of us. It's the ones in the gym with the camera who cause the problem and those who defend them.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:49 PM
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I feel like I spent the last decade supporting men's rights but looking for someone else who would openly defend men's sexuality. Thank you. Men need sex, men need sex outlets, feminism is psychobabble. /fin
/r/MensRights26/07/24 01:43 PM
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I'm sorry you went through that. I think you illustrated the stark difference though.
/r/MensRights02/06/24 03:14 PM
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Western women are raised to hate male expressions of sexuality. They like masculinity only when it serves them. They are raised this way and Influenced from a very young age. It's not natural, it's how they're influenced.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 06:26 PM
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Western women are infinitely shameful and disgusting at this point and so are the beta mongrels that growl at their heels at other men. It's just another attempt to argue for castrating men. Shame on them.
/r/MensRights31/05/24 06:24 PM
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Honestly if any men will accept this narrative then we may as well accept it. We're too far gone.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 10:56 PM
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That's so true and I can't believe it's still the standard in our society.
/r/MensRights23/05/24 10:50 PM
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So what do they want? Let me guess, a commitment. Men want that too these days, so bad. Because of this, those of us who are just sexual people can never be accepted or treated equal because we're always "sluts, fuckbois, coomers, perverts" and our legal system further tells us what we can and cannot do. Society punishes us if we fail out of line like saying we "objectify", "sexualize" or "dehumanize" if we're men especially. Why do we all need our own family? Why can't we just get used to commu…
/r/MensRights23/05/24 10:50 PM
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They've infiltrated everything. The only hope we have is to build a massive movement, infiltrate things ourselves and show up for court/political hearings. We need to organize.
/r/MensRights19/05/24 02:10 PM
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Feminism ramped up, most men who would care about having their very nature banished from society stayed silent.
/r/MensRights19/05/24 01:05 AM
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Well, that's frustrating for sure man. At the end of the day we're being teased and I think we're tired of being teased while having no outlet provided. I don't think a return to traditionalism is the fix that a lot of men think it is now. That's just going to keep our collective nuts in their purses through strict monogamy and family frameworks. I'd just like to see us reject things like objectification which is apparently something a feminist psychology professor pushed in the late 90s that ju…
/r/MensRights19/05/24 12:54 AM
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Why do people insist on trying to keep rubbing my nose in it when I offer a polite explanation or rebuttal? Dude, I gave you an olive branch rather than arguing. I read it, it sounded like you were implying that men are manipulated to be sexual and that we need to stop being manipulated to be sexual. I'm arguing that we are sexual and we should embrace that. Clearly I didn't read your full intent but judging by my ratio of likes to yours, I'm guessing most people got that same impression.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 11:02 PM
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At this point, male sexuality is constantly under attack even by other men. If I've misread your point, good, just one more sensible person and I appreciate you for that.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 07:36 PM
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Objectification doesn't exist, if we would just hold the line on ideas we'd be good. We could have the sex and we could tell the harpies to stuff it with the oBjEcTiFicAtIoN thing. Women weren't this incensed by men hitting on them until they were taught to be. This is nurture. There's nothing wrong with male sexuality, even extreme male sexuality. Your finger just needs to point at them, not our libidos.
/r/MensRights18/05/24 04:49 AM
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Yep. A lot of those guys just need to remember you can get the milk without buying the cow.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 06:29 PM
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Feminists will accuse random men on the internet of being pedos just for disagreeing with them.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 06:02 PM
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I couldn't agree more, men these days are confusing me. I grew up hearing men warn me to never marry. They get cut off, they get cheated on, they lose everything, they lose their time to improve their life. I get wanting to pass on the bloodline too but I don't get this seemingly emasculated attitude about commitment now.
/r/MensRights17/05/24 05:31 PM
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So you're saying a women's supremacist movement is the consequence of women owning bank accounts? Dictating sexuality to men, dictating how men can speak, feel or think? Dictating what men can look at? This is the consequence of women owning bank accounts? What's a child marriage to you? A 24 year old "because her brain didn't fully develop" or are you more worried about older men around 60 dating 30 year old women? You know, while we're being dictated to because you own bank accounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/24 04:47 PM
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So basically avoid social media?
/r/MensRights15/05/24 08:21 PM
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A very, very large in-group with endless Influence and coffers.
/r/MensRights15/05/24 08:21 PM
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I wish I was even surprised at this point. I'm not.
/r/MensRights15/05/24 08:20 PM
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Women's supremacy but only for some women who think a certain way* Fixed it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/24 06:55 PM
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Gotta love how they just tried to spew feminist math nonchalantly.
/r/MensRights13/05/24 01:29 PM
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I don't know for sure about this one, but just be aware that feminists have entered positions strategically where they could be in charge of how studies are sampled, which studies are completed in the first place, the language of those studies, positions of authority, positions of education, in positions to change dictionary definitions (Lexicographers). Just be aware they have had their tendrils in every single thing, especially social science and psychology, for many decades. So what you see a…
/r/MensRights13/05/24 01:24 PM
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How do we actually push back gents? I think we need to take the courts. Feminism is fueled by lawsuit money.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 02:41 AM
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Well let's take it back boys. Let's boycott or something... protest their feminist executives? We could always just camp out on college campuses and spam social media with videos of us protesting.
/r/MensRights12/05/24 01:50 AM
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No it's not related at all. Men and women often don't want relationships and just want sex. Long term non committed relationships aren't hookup culture. Not everyone wants monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 11:59 PM
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Well, I'm becoming so bitter from this sub, other subs and TikTok at this point that I'm becoming an actual misogynist. I'm really trying to resist that but it's causing me a lot of distress because women and the feminist ideals they generally hold even when claiming not to be one, are so incredibly harmful and antithetical to everything I am as a hedonistic man. But I suppose their ability to nurture, bring out the best in their partners, they're often very intelligent and look at things from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 11:40 PM
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Whatever we're done here. Typical feministy response and I'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 11:30 PM
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Because for one, women aren't expected to, only men are and it's sexist. Second, just because we can doesn't mean we need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 10:57 PM
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The phrase refers to male nature. You're not getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:22 PM
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Yep they're mad that someone younger and more supple might take their man's nuts from their purse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:45 AM
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Because we're saying "Boys will be Boys" is okay to say. It's very relevant to the post if you're aware of why pushback exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 02:43 AM
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Dealing with women on social media is hella toxic period because even more egalitarian women are usually pretty heavily influenced by feminist theory.
/r/MensRights10/05/24 12:08 AM
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Men can be sexual and flirt with women, even if they're ugly. I know that's considered brutal SA by most of today's society thanks to feminism controlling literally 80% of everyone's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/24 12:07 AM
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Yep well, men can just want sex and be aromantic. We literally treat Aro as part of LGBTQ until a horny guy also says "I like sex and don't want to commit because I'm just not into companionship". I'm surely not the only one, sex work is a big industry because of men like me. It's just they're huge cowards who want to socially do performative shows of morality while quietly and secretly living their hedonistic life. Why, the heck, can't they just be honest?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:20 PM
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Yes but what about the minority of men, assuming you're even correct about that? We need to consider the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:14 PM
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It's an accurate argument and also it's very likely more marriages and relationships in human history have resulted from a woman pretending to like a good provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:13 PM
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So you're on medicine that killed your libido and you can't imagine why other men want sex. Just sex. Not a socially expected compulsory relationship. You just can't imagine why someone else might only want sex and absolutely nothing else. It's clearly not even just you on those meds. Maybe I just need to say "F it!" and chemically castrate myself too. If women won't accept a monger for a relationship, so what? They pushed us here and they should accept it. If they don't then consider the robots…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 10:11 PM
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Decriminalize sex work and get used to that being your sex outlet. It pays these women who want men to provide for them while getting you what you need without the drama. The line of consent is clearly drawn. Trade what they want for what you want. Leave everyone else alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:42 AM
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The problem is, the normalization of sexuality in non monogamous, open ways including objectification was always the logical progress from the 60s. However due to radical feminist ideals of the mid to late 70s as a reactionary movement to free love progress, they regressed us back to monogamous prudery by convincing women and men that women were dehumanized by male sexual expression. Here we are, a few steps away from a time when women are essentially forced back into traditional gender roles by…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 05:34 AM
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women say lizzo is beautiful but get mad when someone says they look like her ☠️🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:53 AM
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Stop lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/24 09:48 PM
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Well yeah I agree. I'm firmly against street walking. I really don't think society should cater so much exclusively to families because millions of us aren't family oriented at all. That said, America probably will for the next century at least. However with proper zoning and small limitations like where it can be advertised or even engaged in, we'd be good. I don't think most people calling for full decriminalization are asking for that. They're asking for things like licensing to be kept out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:28 PM
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Polling I've seen suggests most voters are not against it at all. https://thehill.com/regulation/other/480725-poll-majority-supports-decriminalizing-sex-work/
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:16 PM
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There's nothing wrong with it so long as it's truly what you want.
/r/MensRights05/05/24 05:04 PM
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Well I don't know, Belgium just fully decriminalized 2 years ago. It's on numerous US states ballots recently although end demand SWERFs manage to make it partial in some cases like Maine's new law. It looks like New York will probably decriminalize soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 05:02 PM
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I didn't really ask anybody to care. I just pointed out why it's flawed reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:52 PM
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I can only speak for myself. If sex work were fully decriminalized then aside from some of the very consensual sex related groups like kink communities that I partake in, or those who maybe threw themselves at me, I'd have absolutely no sex with the general public. Why would I bother getting on Tinder and struggling to convince some woman who wanted a committed relationship to sleep with me? It's a huge waste of time. The only reason I'd get a Tinder account or other dating account would be to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:50 PM
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That's because you were brainwashed your whole life to think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:43 PM
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You nailed it! 💯👏 But a lot of women talk out of both sides of their mouths. They don't want it decriminalized if it means they WON'T get bombarded by "sex pests". They like complaining but they also love the attention clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:43 PM
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Because our cultures teach men NOT to pay for it and treat paying for it as weakness and pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:40 PM
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It only is because society makes it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:38 PM
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Do you have any clue how much a sex worker charges in Nevada by comparison to illegal sex workers? Illegal: $100-500 bucks Nevada Legal: sometimes $10,000 Why? Overregulation and lack of legal competition. Sure, the monopoly man probably has a good time at the Moonlight Bunny Ranch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:38 PM
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That's because men are raised to believe it's wrong. Again, take out the programming and you have a different situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:35 PM
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Prostitution has been either ignored (for the John) or legal in Germany for centuries even before it was called Germany. Even the mustache man's regime had it in a form. To say "it doesn't change jackshit" is disingenuous and impossible for someone under 100 years old to quantify. I'm going out on a limb and assuming you aren't 100 years old yet. And you'd have to be older than that. I'm not arguing it solves everything but you have no point of fully criminalized and enforced sex work laws in ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:35 PM
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How one views "Promiscuity" is subjective. I doubt in a society where people are bullied by systemic prudish ideals and group think that most who feel as I do will every admit it. To some of us, Promiscuity is a virue. Those of us who are sexually driven and aromantic or greyromantic. We don't need that commitment to enjoy sexual pleasure. We just want that sensuality. As far as I'm concerned, every romantic monogamy centered ideal in our society is socially constructed to deal with certain fear…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:28 PM
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They act like that's a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:23 PM
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Then it's time to seek help for your sex addiction. Sex addictions don't exist. It's pseudoscience to claim they do. Precisely why I'm not okay to be given "treatment" by one of yours. Who are you to decide it's a "tiny sacrifice" for other people? It's not. I would never want to do "sex work", not even for a billion dollars. By the way, if sex work is just a "tiny sacrifice" do you also consider rape just a "tiny inconvenience"? It's a tiny sacrifice. You're dramatic. As a man, you could as wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:10 PM
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Oh well, thanks for admitting it and you might want to change your flair to purple now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:53 AM
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I'm still waiting, years later, for evidence that evolutionary psychology is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:52 AM
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Yep you nailed it. Laughing at the cuttlefish in the comments trying to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:50 AM
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I love women but I recognize feminist ideals are the outcome of base primal female fears. I realize that feminist ideals are also about getting the cake, eating it, expecting it to still be there yet also expecting no calories from eating it. It's zero accountability for high expectations and no empathy for men. But I do love women, more than most. Nothing is more wonderful than a grandmother (as a man who had 4 grandmothers, two adopted, I truly love the grandma energy), an aunt, a mom, a daugh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:49 AM
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Bro, I love you for this post. With the exception of a few things that I use any post living expense money for otherwise like good food and travel, or maybe a good computer, this really sums it up. I mean, the entire driving force of my very existence is sex first. Literally if I'm unable to achieve it I'd rather be dead, no feminism influenced woman will ever understand (or care because they lack the empathy) how I'd rather be no longer alive than be without a variety of sex partners. Money all…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:41 AM
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Really OP is right and I love OP for this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:32 AM
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Ok to be fair video games are an exception as are good food and travel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:31 AM
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Look, we live in a very sexually repressive society. I just push back on that because I have hedonistic, non monogamous tendencies and want to avoid these sex negative ideologies creeping all over the world in the name of some feminist or traditionalist crusade.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:50 AM
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I just want to have sex with them. And maybe be friends. But you know, that's apparently terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 01:48 AM
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Yeah my solution is just not giving into feminist gender politics. It's like, Feminist: "that's objectification and dehumanizing us." Men: "Shut up heifer, we like boobs." That's what I mean, not going on strike. It's just meeting in the middle. Right now it's one sided af.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:36 AM
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It's illegal. Blame society for calling women trafficking victims falsely if they decide to be sexworkers. Also no, women manipulate constantly. The entire dating game is manipulation. And not getting everything you want, like lifetime committed slavery from a man, really isn't fair or something you'll just get every time. Accept it and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:33 AM
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Nothing I said was related to cuckolding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 12:30 AM
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I don't understand the latter metaphor, could you explain that? Afghanistan isn't an acceptable outcome which is why we need to push back on traditionalism also.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 07:20 PM
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Even askmen is full of simpy doormats. Especially on topics around male sexuality. "Oh I'm not sexual, it's that guy over there, the bad one".
/r/MensRights04/05/24 06:27 PM
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You know what? You're right. This is why every man really needs to communicate and take their time with women in bed. Make sure to go the extra mile, it's like being a contractor, not only your reputation is on the line here but all of ours. They're over here choosing the bear and a vibrator because men are just after their own nut too often. Btw as for the women in this discussion, a lot of them just need to communicate better. Don't giggle and say it's sensitive, they gotta take that new guy t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 06:16 PM
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Yep free love ☮️✌️ If two people want to pair bond, that's perfectly acceptable. Branding literally everything down to looking at someone's butt "sexual assault" and claiming they'd choose being in the woods alone with grizzly bears than evil horny men is "problematic". I'm staunchly against shaming women for being sexual, it needs to be fair with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:50 PM
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Men are finally going to stop doormatting to feminism realizing they'll never be the good enough man. That's gonna end in a "No Ma'am" revolution. Women will get a sanity check on what level of social ass kissing they get and we'll reach a golden age of harmony between the genders. A world where we do what we were taught in preschool, to share and be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 05:25 PM
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It's not harmful, people need to stop being crybabies when they don't get what they just decided they were getting. And many people, especially men, have unalived themselves over lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:10 PM
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So true, I truly worry about boys who will grow into manhood with whatever society escalates this to next.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:05 AM
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I disagree that it's bad behavior, it's necessary behavior. I blame hateful people though for being spiteful and never finding the good in those they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/24 03:02 AM
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You can try to deep dive but to the average low attention span teenager growing up into adulthood now, they're going to hear this and reinforce their existing conditioning toward a misandrist mindset. Too many people now just think men are filthy predatory, rapey pigs. It's just a matter of time before this escalates to fill segregation and men fully being cut out of women's lives. Time to stop defending feminism. Find another way than traditional conservatism and give gender ideology a sanity c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:53 PM
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It was worth a try bro but I don't think we're going to be able to talk them into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:44 PM
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Nah man, I want feminists to take a chill pill. I want them to have freedom but not radical ideals of how any sexual expression by men is predatory to the point where they'd rather be mauled to death by a bear than deal with us. So harmful and objectively evil that they'd separate entirely from us. Every single one of these feminist takes originated with a fringe and eventually became mainstream because one thing feminists are damn good at is getting in positions of influence and authority. We n…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 10:36 PM
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Porn isn't a problem. Feminism as it exists now, a Misandry dependent ideology, is the problem. I don't care how many of you dead inside tradcons or feminine men tell me otherwise. A man is supposed to go sow his oats as long as there's a functional penis to speak of. It's not supposed to be commitment, emotion, marriage, love, values, etc. That's all unnatural. Nature, when others aren't being harmed, should be adhered to. Sure, if you don't want to be this way that's fine. Literally the second…
/r/MensRights03/05/24 07:34 PM
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How do you think it's cognitive dissonance?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 07:29 PM
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Yeah guys are going to pay, keep trying or even manipulate women into what they think they're manipulating men into with sex as a dangling carrot. I mean really sexual manipulation starts with women and men get called rapists if they choose to do the same damn thing in response. Woman has dating profile pic as close to naked as possible on the site in the most seductive pose she can get Man connects and tries to date Dates happen but woman teases and intentionally withholds sex until she vets th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:14 PM
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Yeah I'm reacting, are you kidding me? I'm 42 almost and I've watched feminist Misandry and influence get more extreme literally every single year of my life. Some guy like you was calling "men are pigs", "toxic masculinity", "manspreading", "the subject-object dichotomy", "rape culture" and a few hundred other feminist hot takes that are now taken by the majority of people, especially women, for granted a "stupid fad" at one point. It's always the same, someone claiming it's "just a fad" or "ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:09 PM
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You've obviously not heard about the slippery slope of the "4b movement" or the whole bear argument. It's okay, you're still operating under the illusion that men protesting feminism are just frustrated incels. You don't realize that each year feminist theory gets us a step closer to full blown segregation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:18 PM
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We're going to persistently look until we find someone willing. We're even going to pay if we must. And yes, some will manipulate and I don't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:12 PM
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Hahaha you think I care about that? I'm telling it to you straight and you can't handle it can ya?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 04:58 AM
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Very reasonable points, just look at the most radicalized religious nations in the Middle East. Big families, "values", all that... I wonder why people who love those ideals so much don't try to live there... 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:53 AM
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I prefer the term optimistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:52 AM
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Don't expect monogamy with a partner with any libido and not take care of their needs. Period. It's not complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:12 AM
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I think they're talking about men like me. Horny men with raging testosterone. Look, nobody owes men sex but those of us who are sexual are going to find a way. Mark our words. And it isn't like there aren't plenty of willing women. It's just that these hateful misandrists want men to suffer if they're sexual. They twist and lie to make it look like what we're doing is dehumanizing and otherwise victimizing. Preying on the vulnerable little deer like women in our wolf packs. If anything, we're d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:07 AM
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Men can end all of this by uniting and pushing back. There's nothing wrong with gender harmony and even egalitarianism within reasonable limits recognizing dimorphism. Sadly generational female chauvinism like we see in the west where year after year another group of young women push the bigotry further is the problem. Feminism must end and reason based egalitarianism must prevail. The men they deem toxic just don't grovel to their hateful ideology. Often those men are some of the best for relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:03 AM
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Traditional conservatives raised in the sticks are still culturally 70 years behind the rest of society and the same with their wimmin. Pretty simple. The tradcon world they have is basically how things were back in the 1950s. The men are basically just robots at this point. No real humanity. They work like mules for the family and get drunk to deal with it. They still cheat though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 12:30 AM
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Only catering to the needs of one biological sex is tyranny.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:56 PM
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That's what progress is all about. Making new norms including manners and social graces.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:44 PM
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You'd be surprised. Catcalling is just advertising. If she's willing, that's where the real communicating starts and communication is everything. Really feminism needs to be sunset, it's just not working. Women's rights ideals need to stop policing the dynamic between men and women beyond basic consent. "No means No", it's not about ending little inconveniences like being propositioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:27 PM
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Yes it is. You don't know me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:20 PM
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It wouldn't matter, they only listen to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:20 PM
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A threat of a good time maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:17 PM
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Yeah you described our current situation more eloquently than I could have ever dreamed to. Bravo. 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 10:17 PM
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And if men did that, I promise you almost no men would have sex that just wanted sex and didn't want commitment. That's a terrible deal for men and we collectively will not accept that outcome, even if millions of us would never admit it. We aren't entitled to sex, but we have to get it. It's a very difficult situation to navigate in nations where sex work is illegal and all the other women demand something "meaningful". I'm just being realistic, men aren't actually going to mass castrate themse…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 04:52 PM
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Well, it's because for some reason enough men lie about wanting JUST sex that the porn and sex work industries are never short of clients and every woman regardless of looks and personality has an abundance of willing sex partners. In my experience, although a bit dated since I've been with someone for 10 years now, women I'd encounter on dating sites expected commitment from me every time. In no way would 99% of them just have sex. They had all sort of ways to screen me and other guys approachi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 04:46 PM
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Couldn't agree more. 👏 Well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:21 PM
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Because as long as a woman's worth is her body count, if she's sexualized by a man, her worth is devalued. Meaning the pursuit of sexual partners by men is predatory and harmful to women in the existing ideology. Remove the notion that a woman becomes some worthless less than human slut then sex is no longer something she needs to guard from "predatory men". It's essentially declawing the very notion of sexualization.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:20 PM
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They were in some less common circumstances but history shows that to be in the overwhelming minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:17 PM
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Quite the opposite. Ending this benefits men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:16 PM
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No what's nightmarish is thinking because you can get enough people to gang up with you in a mob, you can take people's free will. You can justify a lot of things by claiming society won't function, but the most hedonistic nations on this planet are also the most successful. New Zealand, Netherlands, Japan, Germany, Denmark, Australia. The most oppressive hells on Earth are in parts of the world with rigid family oriented social order controlled by idealistic mobs who impose their collective fea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:14 PM
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It's not quietly considering someone of less value to your goals of a committed monogamous relationship that's the problem. They're garbage because they use their soapbox (social media especially) to bully women into submission. They use this shame language and impose their views. I married someone who sucked her coworker off two weeks before meeting me just after ending her 2nd marriage and we've been together 10 years now. She literally used to swing, she met me at a kink party as a spanko bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:07 PM
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You see and part of why I'm debating this is that the entire concept of objectification is based on this. If a woman is "sexualized" under our current ideology then her value is lost as a human and she's therefore "dehumanized". If we'd end slut shaming as it were then we'd end objectification because no demonstrable harm could come from only wanting sex. As of now, women just protect their humanity at all cost. The other reason is, body count suggests we all must be in committed relationships b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 10:01 PM
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Oh cool, blogspot, my favorite resource on peer reviewed research.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:57 PM
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People only "absolutely judge you for your lifestyle" because they're still living in the past. When they realize there's no value in keeping society's collective values 500 years in the past then they might not keep them there. Hence why I'm debating this, I'm informing you since apparently you guys think it's still the Year of our Lord 1524 and Tudors hold the British crown.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:55 PM
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So men can be absolute human garbage and that's their right, sure. I guess that's another issue altogether as long as we as the greater society don't take "she belongs to the streets" as nearly unanimous but we largely do. We still think that if she's not suited for an agricultural era exchange for goats to a good suitor then she's a dirty shameful hoe. I mean excuse me if I expect any civilized behavior from people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:52 PM
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You learned it. You couldn't have just automatically felt that way unless you were just naturally afraid of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:48 PM
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Relationships aren't mandatory. People will treat a woman with a high body count as lesser for having a high body count even if she has no intention on settling down now. Go look at the comment threads on sites like YouTube for sex workers (like OF models for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:47 PM
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Okay if that's true then why does sexual objectification "dehumanize" a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:45 PM
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It may be a decision maker as to why people who are ignorant about STIs, or who have hangups won't pick a woman as their mate. My point is that, regardless of any of that it has nothing to do with a woman's human value. Committed relationships were once mandatory, they aren't in this era.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/24 09:44 PM
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No, but I would challenge you to just ask ChatGPT. I'm not going to defend my views against the vocal gynocentric hivemind about how we've extended these laws on things we deem harassing. I'll just say this, I think a leer might be annoying but not an offense someone should be jailed over. I truly believe men are such doormats they'd make laws one day to fine or jail men for violence even if they annoyed women in some way. Our collective ass kissing of women in the west is downright unfair and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:26 AM
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Easily 2 million in the US alone based on figures I've read. Depends but it's enough to buy a Ferrari at 20 without a degree or any other skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 10:32 PM
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It's about how entitled some women are while claiming to "want to be treated like a human". To even squeak and people come running to protect them from any discomfort while men are expected to deal with it. I've seen so many cases of women changing laws because something men did made them mildly uncomfortable, I've seen company rules where only women blatantly violated them and had no recourse but men would've been at least written up. I've heard women talk over men and yell "No you're not talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 03:06 PM
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Decriminalize sex work fully. Teach people to form non traditional group/communal living arrangements to ease the economic burden and responsibilities. Get rid of the over romantic delusions about love originating likely from Shakespeare and Trubador culture in the Middle Ages/Renaissance. We confuse several things now, infatuation from temporary hormone spikes and bonding with "True Love". Because infatuation is temporary a lot of people "Fall out of love" when the hormonal aspect of the delusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/24 02:56 PM
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What a lot of people really need to do is learn to cook for themselves and play with sock puppets. You don't need someone to live with you and baby you. If you do, get a good friend or 3 because it's a tough economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 09:51 PM
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At the end of the day, our partners either have a lower sex drive or they find a way to sleep around a little. I prefer honesty and for the emotional aspect to be loyal, not the physical. Intelligent people tend to understand what a hormone is, but sadly most people aren't intelligent and think hormonal infatuation is Disney love and they need to leave their partner when the warm and fuzzy feelings hit over that temporary hormonal fluctuation. I left years ago because I was a caretaker for my mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 07:29 PM
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Sure. Have you ever lived in an actual commune? I have. Basically you are a makeshift family that takes care of each other. It's not cultish or evil to do this and it makes a lot more sense in this economy. As a group you share expenses, if you have a garden then you share the fruits and vegetables. Considering the more live and let live mindset, one can simply live their own way which usually isn't possible in the western puritanical nuclear family. If someone for example is openly sexual, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 01:01 PM
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As many as she wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:59 AM
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It's called being programmed. You can't think outside of your programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:35 PM
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Not everyone has a good family or wants to be controlled. A neighborhood isn't a commune.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 06:34 PM
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Ok so about the clitoris. The problem is how every woman seems to experience clitoral stimulation differently. What do I mean? Well, you'll meet a woman, go to bed with her and go down only to have her say "it's too sensitive" or another woman does that when you rub it with your hands. They get upset if it's too fast, too slow, not the perfect angle. I mean we need a 500 page manual to understand the nuance between one woman's clit to another. Yet 90% of the time it seems a woman will just push …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 03:20 PM
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Most people now are handing their toddlers a smart phone or tablet when they're having their custody days from their divorce. I mean it's an excuse to "think of the children" that is used every single time someone suggests deviating from the traditional family/relationship norm. We also have 8 billion people in the world and a lot of consequences for that. We have AI and automation potentially taking every worker out of the workforce in 20 years. Should we be even worrying about kids? It's calle…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:27 PM
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People don't always fall for each other. That's a misnomer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:20 PM
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Everyone is, but everyone is also nurtured into a society that programs them to believe in monogamous commitment as the only acceptable way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:19 PM
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He's defending it because it's fiercely unpopular in society and people don't want to participate. Why? Because it's 99.9% social programming by everything from religion to family ideals to Disney movies. I mean in almost every aspect of life, we're trained from the time we can understand the topic to pursue a long term "magical" and meaningful monogamous commitment. But you know what? It's hugely unnatural and causes massive amounts of emotional pain to people who see through the socially const…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:18 PM
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Most marriages don't even stay together. In fact what's best for children is a commune but I don't see you guys advocating for the hippie life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:13 PM
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You're absolutely right but as you say, brainwashing. People don't know how to think outside the box. It's not like two parent homes are that common long term now anyway. People have their honeymoon phase end (infatuation) and they go off cheating half the time because they get horny for someone new. The hormones kick in after sex with the new partner and it just unravels everything because they think it's "love". You're so right about this that honestly I'm not even sure how to quantify or comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:10 PM
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Nah man, I've seen crazy attractive women get desperate for settling down. The guys would go for sex, not commitment. Then again, that was a while back so maybe the estrogen laden men of today would go running for a relationship like a woman would in the 00s.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:03 PM
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I've met hot women who genuinely seemed to feel that way. You know what? I still didn't settle with them, because I'm not gonna be stuck with some insufferable hot woman even if she screws me a few times. She also shouldn't be so desparate for commitment. Neither of us would be doing the other a service.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 01:13 AM
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The problem is, a lot of women, particularly, give those very social cues and then go "I'm from X and that's just how we are" or will just bluntly say "I wasn't flirting, I just wanted to be friendly", "I'm not flirting, I'm just autistic". I can't count how many times I've seen that play out for example: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRw6ybnV/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRw6x47c/ A couple of decent examples but I've seen more in real life so I guess my opinion comes from personal experience. Point i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 12:19 AM
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Because too many women act like men are predatory monsters if we dare try to flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 01:36 AM
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Right. I don't owe you the autonomy of my eyes and where my neck turns my head. Glad we understand each other. Stay in your lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 04:43 AM
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Oh yeah and if you do end up together they'll claim they were being so obvious. Just having a conversation or making eye contact is NOT obvious. Even touching someone on the shoulder, that's not obvious. Plenty of women touch men on the shoulder that they aren't interested in. Hell, even walking up to us and starting a conversation doesn't mean you're down to get the brakes beat off of it. You know, I hate to say it, the ball is in women's courts entirely at this point and they need to be clear.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 06:19 PM
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Nice gaslighting. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:45 AM
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Of course of course you're going to argue eternally back and forth and try to make me look like a bad guy here for trying to wake men from their doormat state. Yeah whatever dude, I've debated like 50 feminists on this thread. I'm done. I'm the only one who thinks this way in the entire world. I'm the only guy who even has a libido, the rest of men just have sex to procreate. I'm the ultimate problem, it's me. Just me. I'm the red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:14 AM
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Actually you know what? I'm not upset at all about the availability of sex. I'm frustrated at the sex negativity in society even thinly veiled sex negativity masked with these overblown concepts of dehumanizing. I like things like boobs in video games without people crying about how women are at mass dehumanized by it. I check women out in public. It's been a slippery slope how severely we treat these things in my lifetime and I'm trying like hell to push back when other men won't. Dude, I'm alm…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:02 AM
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So... next time I see a mechanic, should I ask him if I can get to know him on an intimate personal level before asking for my vehicle to be fixed? Maybe see him 3-4 times at least before he does repair work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 12:46 AM
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Romantic love isn't even a real thing. People bond to each other out of a need for companionship and use sex to further solidify it. The romantic feelings people have are this: New relationship infatuation (lasts a year at best) Social Shared Delusions of Romance (programming) Emotional bonds no different from close friendship. (The real "love") Eventual sense of family That's all. It's not real at all. It's programming and I'd be pretty sure the way we perceive romance in this era only comes fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/24 10:17 PM
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Don't gaslight homie.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 11:42 PM
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Men shouldn't want to be married or even in a committed relationship. They should want meaningless sex with as many partners as they can in life. This is nature and nature is the purest state. It harms nothing to simply be single and sexual. I see no harm to society, we don't need to breed more, we need to have sex for fun. Or just don't but stop with the romantic delusions. I can pretty much guarantee most of these notions of love between partners have only existed for the past couple of thousa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:54 PM
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It's A & B.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:50 PM
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Men have to stop being doormats. Period. It doesn't get men laid. It doesn't get men better relationships. It doesn't help men to be doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 06:50 PM
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We've got to convince other men to stop being doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:41 AM
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They make men wait because sex is bait. Once you give them commitment, you're their new provider. This is EXACTLY why they came up with that nonsense concept of "dehumanizing us by reducing us to sexual objects". Nah, they never thought that, they just know sex manipulates men into what they want. They want to use it EXACTLY as they need to and if you just try to cut the metaphorical Gordian knot then they scream all sort of character slurs at you. They throw the shame full force, they might eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 02:30 AM
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Gaslighting is a terrible thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:07 AM
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I'm going to sound like a broken record but this is yet another reason I'm so adamantly for sex work. Because people with essentially any physical issues need them. People who have social awkwardness need them. It's not a want, it's a bona-fide need. The lack of empathy from women in the dating world is horrendous. The very people who scream "empathy" come up with some of the most clever deep stabbing, mind twisting hurtful things to say. Heck I told a young woman years ago I liked women older t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/24 12:04 AM
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Your question was loaded and I addressed it. You can't reduce women to sex, it's impossible. Even if that's all a man wants, the woman is still everything she was before. It's not wrong. You just use this narrative to trap men into commitments and provide for you, let's be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:37 PM
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I don't think it's either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 12:33 PM
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Can't agree more with this statement and question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:32 AM
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Holy shit an honest man that doesn't want to just look good for everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:28 AM
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I'm gonna be real, men are supposed to be this way. If men aren't this way, something went wrong. I'm not saying literally anything with a pulse and no standards... but a really high sex drive... yeah. I think something in our diets or lifestyles raised a generation of men who behave like little old ladies. Kinda pitiful. You can literally watch the demand for sex from men drop year after year. Not sure if it's being raised with feminist nonsense in our ears or flamin' hot cheetos. It's somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:24 AM
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Damn right. Nobody is entitled to more than that. It's funny how they'll say men aren't entitled to sex but they think they're entitled to us sharing all of this deep emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:05 AM
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You're the one reducing women to sex. Just because I only want sex doesn't make your assertion of "dehumanizing" true. The one doing the dehumanizing is you because you choose to see it that horrible way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 03:00 AM
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Who said I was hitting anybody up?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 02:59 AM
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Who cares if she's complicit in other people's thoughts? Not her role.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:26 AM
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Of course you do. Hope said guy says to fuck off back.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:26 AM
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They aren't normal men, they're cowards who do what us "perverts" do on the downlow while catering to your ideology to keep your sense of privilege intact. I'm not backpedaling about anything. You're just replying in rapid succession to everything I've said because you're freaked out a guy is actually challenging this ridiculous shame ideology. I'll say this, men really disappoint me the most. How cowardly to just sit quietly and never challenge this. It's sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:17 PM
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I don't even think that women don't want to fuck me. Not sure where you got any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:14 PM
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I didn't bring those things up, you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:12 PM
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You never cared about men's feelings or you'd try to empathize. You're coming unglued that I'm suggesting a man can look at some woman's butt in a gym and get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:11 PM
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Sometimes it's not mutualistic. It depends on the trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:09 PM
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I'm not even upset. Amused? A little.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:05 PM
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Yes, nature dictates that we don't insert all these nonsensical ideals to shame the natural state of sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:05 PM
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Nope. They don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:03 PM
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And I could care less about immature name calling by triggered feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:03 PM
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They're multiple things and you're changing goal posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:02 PM
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Good for you. I'm proud of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:01 PM
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It's still a service. Servicing the sexual needs of a partner, mutualistic or not is servicing them or each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 11:01 PM
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I never said I was for violating consent. I've argued for things that don't get to be consented to, like other people's gazes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:59 PM
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I think yours is repugnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:58 PM
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Yikes you're big mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:58 PM
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No it's definitely programming, about 60 years of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:57 PM
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If I want to view women as sex toys, I absolutely can do that. That's called freedom and agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:56 PM
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Not exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:54 PM
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You're making a metaphysical claim in saying that "we are physical objects". An incredibly dubious one at that, I was hoping you'd understand that through the link, it's a brief encyclopedia entry. I can't discuss objectification with you If you either don't understand the object-subject distinction or disagree with it If we're being honest, tl;dr, just because I'm engaging in a debate doesn't mean I'm giving my entire life up for a year to read that huge pile of psychobabble. I don't agree with…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:49 PM
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I'm perfectly happy to hear it. Nothing is free so expect to trade something. Women never let us get some without some sort of cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:32 PM
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Sure it is, that's called a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:30 PM
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Well that's a different argument in the first place. Sexual harassment and objectification are two separate things. I don't think pestering someone takes their consent if we're using the dictionary definition of the word. Consent means to agree to something, if someone pesters you it's not forcing any physical act. Still, that's not the topic, stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:29 PM
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I reject society's ignorance and attempt to convince them. It's called being an activist. Because literally only a handful of men out there seem to have the balls to sit around and debate the actual swarm of feminist influenced people who so firmly believe as you do about this. I wouldn't have bothered but apparently the other guys are chicken and don't speak up for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:27 PM
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How do you even know?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:24 PM
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Sounds like you don't respect perverts and that bothers me. Your hangups are sex. If this were anything else as I keep illustrating, it'd be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:24 PM
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I'm frustrated that we still believe this nonsense about objectification. The other commenter just challenged non monogamous relationships and I argued they're viable and proved it to at least some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:23 PM
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People are brainwashed and it's time to deprogram. They don't want that, they're influenced to think they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 10:19 PM
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Lao Tzu is "scarcely relevant"? Wow tell that to every major country founded on ideals of Daoism, syncretism, or zen. You mean it's not relevant to Plato humping puritanical westerners? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:22 PM
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I didn't ask for pity, I learned long ago that feminists project about empathy but have absolutely none. What I'm simply pointing out is that we all cope, especially from the poor takes society goes along with. A woman can't magically transform into a "service station" just because a man wants just sex from them. Sounds like you're dehumanizing yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:18 PM
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Oh, well it seems most feminists accuse people of not seeing the humanity in women even if they draw a scantily clad big breasted woman on a piece of paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 02:01 PM
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What a tyrannical, one sided world it seems you're advocating for.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:59 PM
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Well, that does about describe my whole life. Coping and seething because people are so unteasonable and create a living hell for others due to their lack of empathy for anybody different than them and their pre programmed hangups. Hopefully a few reasonable people see my objection to this Dworkinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:56 PM
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When sex is merely a sensual act to you, it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:53 PM
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I don't care if others disagree. Especially when they're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:51 PM
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Nobody is entitled to be free of annoyance from other human beings sharing a space.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:51 PM
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In some cases, it's true that objective truth exists, but not every case and this isn't one of them. In fact, I could argue that if there was an objective wrongdoing here it was society compelling men to value women more than just for what they want out of an exchange with them. If you use social force to make someone do something they don't want to do, what do we call that? Non-consensual control over other people's agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:50 PM
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Me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:45 PM
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I should take it a bit further and say that I agree that compelling others to do things they don't want to do is a consent issue and falls within the scope. However none of this applies to objectifying, i.e. sexualizing or only percieving others as an implement of sexual pleasure. It's a violation of consent, if compelling by force is a violation of consent... even social force... to force someone to view others in more robust ways than they choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:44 PM
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Then what do you even think objectification is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:42 PM
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And nothing I've suggested impacts the freedom of others. Only the reverse is true in that people who shame "objectification" seek to control those who "objectify".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:41 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:40 PM
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Not quite. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/object/#ContObjeVsSubj Ok, what was I supposed to get from that and why do you believe that it's contextually relevant? I'm referring to the concept that we're all physical objects yet you're seeming to present philosophical concepts of the subject-object dichotomy. Btw I absolutely loathe Plato and refuse to agree that a man whose rise to influence was on the coat tails of the conqueror who formed western ideals through the spread of Hellenistic cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:32 PM
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Your thought process is repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:13 PM
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Why? Is sex really the whole relationship to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:13 PM
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It's so silly that we keep getting accused for not remembering the person is human. I can see someone as performing a role without failing to see their humanity. I've made that so clear in this debate yet somehow it doesn't make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:12 PM
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If you can't desire them openly what's the point anyway? It's pretty boring if you're being thought policed the whole time isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:09 PM
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Because they're programmed to think that way and I hope that changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:09 PM
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Me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:05 PM
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Morality definitely is not objective in all cases. In the case of demonstrable eminent harm, like killing or stealing it's objective and society has to unanimously ban said activities to protect civilization. That's not true of almost anything else. Most morality is merely a matter of opinion, subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 01:03 PM
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Kinda is... <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:28 AM
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That's what feminists attempt to brand the ideology as. Ultimately it's partly about rigging the system to absolve women of responsibility for their actions, getting them the best outcomes in dating/ marriage/ divorce... But yes, in some ways it defends female humanity from the tradcon notions that women are tradable for goats. It's both and it's hard for fair minded individuals to deal with as it's traditionalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:42 AM
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I'm married and have been in a successful open relationship for almost 11 years. But you keep telling yourself they're delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:39 AM
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I can think someone is my toy all I want and nobody can stop me. However that's a huge reach because it's assuming men don't acknowledge the humanity of women they sexually desire just for sex. How do you know? They may, but you never asked and how could you even scale that question to 4 billion men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:38 AM
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Nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:36 AM
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People can act however they please. That's freedom. Freedom is our birthright.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:35 AM
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To start with, no, we are not objects. The entire reason the object - subject distinction exists to recognise human agency, experience and intellect. Elements of us may be considered objects, say our fingers and toes, but we ourselves are not. We are though, we're animate and sentient objects. Even if linguistically that were a faux pas to say, we're still "a thing" of solid mass. The agency isn't being questioned when someone looks on another person with desire. When did we start to accept that…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:35 AM
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I think what you're describing is a subjective sense of purpose. A highly sexual person may feel that embracing sexual and other sensual pleasure is the highest form of humanity and purpose. You may find it repulsive, like Plato did in his latter years after getting his fill most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:21 AM
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Being treated like garbage is subjective. If you consider a guy pursuing you sexually and only sexually to be mistreatment then I suppose that's subjectively reasonable from your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:19 AM
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Nobody is owed acknowledgement of their wants and feelings. Especially when those are not advantageous and ask more than the other person can give. She wants a relationship ending in lifelong commitment. He wants a lay. He's the devil for "objectifying her" because some 70s feminist like Gloria Steinem played a great PR game and it resonated with a woman's natural imperatives. But it's not egalitarian as it only considered a woman's natural imperatives. Not all women, just enough to mainstream t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:17 AM
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No. That's okay though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:13 AM
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Yeah I don't see a problem with most of those things. No means no when it comes to physical contact, I think the harassment discussion goes into other nuance however. I'm on the fence about the photos, but people take photos without permission all the time. Nudity is a logical line to draw in the sand. Catcalling, although another subject, is just someone vocalizing intent. I think it's a greater harm to try to control people's speech like that. It would be one thing if they suggested harm, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:13 AM
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Yeah it makes perfect sense that employment discrimination should be illegal based on sexual tropes. I've only been accused of objectifying women by doing things like watching adult material, playing games with sexy women or perhaps looking at women lustfully in some way. What you're describing doesn't seem to be that at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:05 AM
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Yeah but nobody is entitled to control the feelings of others, even if sex is dangled like a carrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 05:00 AM
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My point is, most people consider doctors to be people of the highest esteem but only want one thing from them. That's why this doesn't work. Feminism really isn't that, it's an ideology with a lot of nuance and while it's not all bad the sheer personhood of women isn't the focus.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:59 AM
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Time will tell. I appreciate the debate none the less.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:38 AM
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You can't only be an object to jerk off to if you make your life more meaningful than that. At the end of the day, how a mate perceives you is far more their right than it is for you to control. As for harassment, repeated attempts to sway should be pushed back on should they be denied but the initial attempt should be fair game. Even so, I still think a conversation is fair as well... that's not the point of why I'm arguing this... I see these as adjacent but different issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:37 AM
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It is seeing a person as intrinsically sexual, that the measure of a person’s worth is their sexual history and/or physical appearance. All else is secondary. So many feminists have called everything from art to acting "objectification". If That is just biology doing its thing. Then We must end the concept of objectification. It doesn't matter if someone isn't receptive to how another person perceives them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:33 AM
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Gazing at someone's body is hardly claiming it. Desiring it isn't claiming it. So in what way is it a threat? How is it harmful? The human species wouldn't exist to this day without desire and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:30 AM
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And that's why I doth protest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:29 AM
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And my argument is that society needs to stop sticking their nose in it. So what if people don't want to be treated some way? If it's harmless, it's harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:28 AM
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The thing that makes this very questionable as to how it relates to approaching women and asking for sex is that women by default are not advertising themselves for sexual services to men. First off, SWERFs often say women can't want to do sex work and therefore aren't consenting either even in that context. I'll take it further and disagree with feminist notions even more... consent only applies to sexuality in the context of physical interactions or anything where someone is requested to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:27 AM
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Hmm mononormativity again I see. Maybe they can be the good sexy _____ for the right people or lack thereof. Just whoever, no need to assume it's one partner in a monogamous setting. Then again I suppose that's a lot of this issue, don't even look hard unless you plan to ring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:23 AM
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Actually this is a very good reply. It doesn't bother me, but by seeing sexual objectification as somehow dehumanizing women are putting themselves back in the place of being property. They only have value based on their sexual actions so therefore objectification is dehumanizing. But if you take that mindset away, sex is just fun and human nature. That's why I'm making this argument in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:17 AM
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If I only need someone for something, paid or otherwise, I am objectifying them or making them an object of that thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:15 AM
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I'm still trying to understand how you can be dehumanized. Especially in this context. Sex is very human.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:14 AM
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Why can't other people decide that? Consent should begin and end with physical contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:13 AM
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It's really not that bad to have someone desire you as a potential mate but you'd think it was the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:12 AM
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How is it dehumanizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:11 AM
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Yes, because people want to do what they want, and also not do what they don’t want Yes, but that's not very mutual is it? You're only considering yourself. When you want to control other people's thoughts and eyeballs, their very desires, you're not really being mutualistic anyway. But whether both parties are receptive to non- physical communication gestures should'nt be, in my opinion, the concern of the public at large. I can decide if I want to inconvenience myself or not. You don’t get to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:08 AM
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Ok, but I don’t think your conceptual framing of this should supersede other people’s conceptual framing. So, once again it’s all good. Yes... it's all good. Aside from the social change I hope to see. A world without the concept of "objectifying" would be great. It's caused so many problems from my perspective and it's a nonsense concept. You can imagine it to be true, sure, but i'd like to convince people that it's okay to express desire openly, healthy even.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:00 AM
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Where did I say otherwise? You didn't, I was just putting the ass in assumption by being one and assuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:54 AM
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You’re comparing approaching women for sex to going to a mechanic for an oil change for your car? Do you see how that is not the same thing - at all? If you were comparing it to going to a sex worker you’d be closer to the mark… No not really... Objectification is not simply wanting to have casual sex with women and finding the female body sexually desirable. It’s reducing women’s value to her looks and sexual utility alone. Yes and I'm going to the doctor just to be treated. I'm reducing the do…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:51 AM
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Is mutuality really so necessary in every single interaction to the point where society in some cases might even make laws to force it? When it's harmless behavior that might at maximum inconvenience said damsels?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:37 AM
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I'm something of an ACTUAL egalitarian in this sense. I really can't stand the narrative a lot of men are pushing. In my ideal world it's a free for all and society just makes comedy out of it at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:35 AM
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to you! That’s cool. But for others that is not a dynamic they wish to engage in. They are seeking something else. I don't think people's desire on how they'd prefer to be interacted with should supercede a person's freedom to initiate said interaction. If someone talks to someone or looks at someone with unwanted intent, society should just mind their business and see that as between them. Further objectification is something used to describe unwanted sexual expression even in art as if a drawi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:33 AM
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Buddha, yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:26 AM
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If you are a college student and another student is in your class studying for the same subject and you ask them for help, are you academically objectifying them? Profession or not, it's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:23 AM
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Ah so to you it's about being asked to go something you didn't advertise yourself for? If a homeless person asks for money, even if they were starving, they're the bad guy because you're not a money object and they shouldn't financially objectify you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:20 AM
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I wish I could disagree but I agree completely. All we might disagree about is that I believe it's perfectly okay for men to be rabidly horny and express that openly as long as they simply don't try to take sex by force or touch without permission.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:12 AM
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No I don't see that. If I need a mechanic to fix my car, I don't need to know what they had for dinner last night and what movies they loved as a kid. I don't even need to know their name. There's nothing wrong with a woman chasing wealthy men for money. There's nothing wrong with men chasing sexy women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:07 AM
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By this logic, never go to a doctor for treatment unless you're getting very intimate with your doctor's life. Imagine what you said in this context: Medical objectification doesn't mean that you see a person just as an object, but that you see a doctor only as a means to fulfill your medical needs. Their own dreams, personality, preferences, happiness and everything else don't matter - they're just a medically experienced object to you and that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 03:05 AM
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I hope so, why are people committing before even knowing if they have chemistry?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 01:01 PM
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Decriminalizing sex work fixes this problem. If you can pay for it then you can look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame and still pull 304 Barbie. Just suck it up, if you aren't Giga Chad, your looks aren't getting her there and she has an ulterior motive when she puts out. Like a relationship with a provider which is just long game sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 07:27 PM
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Everything you've said is delusion. You're choosing to remain in the delusion that men are inherently violent or predatory to women while illustrating that men are overprotective and even potentially lack a strong drive for sex. The only thing we can agree on is that PEOPLE are violent and selfish if you'll even concede that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 06:50 PM
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Yeah and in reality if men were collectively as bad as you suggest then men would decriminalize all of those things and just force what they want 100% of the time. You believe in mythology.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 05:18 PM
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Yeah well, where do you think the men got it from? Generations ago when we lived in pre industrial society. The barbarians would assault the women in town during raids. The problem is, we pass ideas generationally and rarely challenge them. If men really only wanted one thing we WOULDN'T be trying to stop men from getting it. You're right that men are the most vocal against women expressing sexuality, but it just proves men aren't the sex predators they're accused of being constantly or they'd e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 02:53 PM
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Excellent analogy. Life is full of risks. When you get into a car, other people might be idiots and harm you. I can't assume people are going to be safe by default. So many people even drive violently. Yet I drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:13 AM
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In my opinion, invalid. Very invalid. But a lot of those fears are the result of cultural memory passed on from mother to daughter for generations. Amplified by magazines, media, feminist ran academia and friend groups. Nothing has ever even happened to a number of these women, they've just been programmed to believe the danger is inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 04:10 AM
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Yeah we can hope. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 05:57 PM
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They'd learn empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 06:21 AM
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Traditional woman = May as well be an Amish wife. No offense, but that's not my scene. I respect it, but typically when it's literally the Amish doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:03 AM
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Huh? Never said I didn't. I just disagree how society in the west interprates what those things are. Why are you bringing a debate from another thread into this one?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:45 AM
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I'm seeing an awful lot of hostile rejections.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/24 10:27 PM
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Well I think a lot of guys were programmed by society to be happier with a lead weight on us at all times. I mean what's the point? There are so many hobbies, the world is already overcrowded, AI/Robotics will take all the jobs and even be a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 12:30 AM
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I'm disgusted that do many men want long term attachments. We had the man show in the 90s, we objectified women like real men. We even told other men never get married. Called them the ball and chain. Now men are either simps or want tradcon garbage. Who knows how many dates you'd get but the rules, messed with me. FWB are a great arrangement, if she's willing maybe for years and years. But why get serious? Get bros, live in a frat kinda house and just share. You'll never be alone and just keep …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 12:17 AM
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Some women love rough kinky sex. What ruins marriages is marriage. Monogamy isn't natural, very few people want to really do it they just prefer to sneak around and get hookups either physically or emotionally on the side. Sex gets cut off during marriage because people become bored with the same thing. End of story.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 03:51 PM
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I'm gonna start by saying I can't tell which side of the fence you were on based on what you wrote. I'll just answer from my standpoint, a hedonist: I want the maximum pleasure in life. Enjoying the world's most pleasurable experiences possible for the human body needs no hangups. I don't need love, I don't need to know the person's name, I need the pleasure and release. I get defensive because most sex negative people who are secular are coming from years of religious trauma and restructured re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 01:54 PM
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When the plumbing isn't working anymore I guess devil may care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/24 09:49 PM
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I don't even remember. I used to send unsolicited pics all the time back in those days. Here's my unpopular opinion, men shouldn't send them but it also isn't that big of a deal if they do. It's the internet and we've all seen so much worse. The outrage isn't warranted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 04:40 PM
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I thought we were finally past all this with the laws and general constant complaining. I don't remember if it was solicited or not but I shared mine once 15 years ago and had a woman lose it trying to get me in bed. It was mostly because I'm uncut and she was into that. Let's see, I've had one of my friend's ex wives try to go for me just because they saw it on my computer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 01:52 PM
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So you claim... New Zealand and Belgium are the only two and I've heard nothing like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 02:53 PM
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Yeah but I've said this to many who say what you're saying. Unless you've lived and dated in Brasil and the US I don't think you have a firm basis for that assertion. Even if you did, you'd have to realize it's very subjective and anecdotal. I'm pointing out that it will make some improvements from a place of "that's my hypothesis based on observation". Partly because I was once a player and finally warmed up to using sex work myself. Once I did that, I didn't need to play. I know factually that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 02:37 PM
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Hmm, maybe it's a matter of also encouraging horny men to use the services and destigmatizing. Stigmas exist by choice, society needs to stop being stubborn. I'm not really talking about men seeking emotional bonds but rather men who desire to just get off with another person rather than masturbate. Dating sites in America have been known to be hellscapes for women. Heaven forbid she shows even the slightest cleavage or looks good, they'll have a full inbox and usually with loads of dick pics. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:49 PM
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I agree that nobody needs a marriage or partnership now. I don't see why sex has anything to do with it anyway. At some point you get bored with each other or get so old and hideous or sick that IF sex was why you settled down then you'll surely not feel happy at that point. Monogamy isn't mandatory. That's a thought from many centuries ago that these very bizarre tradcons keep trying to bring back. I mean really it's illogical in this day in age anyway. Probably operates from the aging populati…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 01:43 PM
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I'm not for forcing anybody to do anything they don't want to do. I just want them to have the right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:54 AM
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That's a choice for people not to be ignorant isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:53 AM
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Ohhh... this... Look, I'm firmly of the belief that if a person is going to cheat then they are going to cheat. They also shouldn't even have a monogamous relationship if that's their intent. I don't think we should have laws that prevent cheating in any way. It's unethical but it's also a right. Should they? No. Is it the business of anybody but them and their significant other? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:27 PM
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They don't have to. The garden is full of weeds (players) and if they can be removed (via access to sex) then the flowers can grow together.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 06:41 PM
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Not assumptions. I've lived the dating scene far more than most men. I'm average with flaws and I've gone years and years figuring this out. Women want the commitment and men gatekeep that while women gatekeep sex. Sex is a tool for them to get what they want, commitment is a tool for men to get what they want. The answer is to allow men what they want thereby ending the game for many. Not all. Some people want this kind of madness and many are brainwashed to think paid sex will be less fulfilli…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 06:40 PM
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Probably not but society has programmed us that the only valid sexual experience is one you pull without money. Why? Because after all, she's not really into you right? You need that validation. If we break the mindset over time, realizing most of these women want the security of the commitment and not us... we're good to pay. An example, a 23 year old sugar baby doesn't sexually desire that 80 year old rich guy. She wants his money and security. He thinks he's sexy, that's delusion. In a less e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 01:16 PM
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That's exactly my point though. tl;dr a hypothesis and null hypothesis were presented but data is necessary to form a true conclusion. Oh well...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 01:10 PM
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But the problem is, without data you can't quantify the assertion that there are AS MANY by percentage. Much like I cannot quantify original hypothesis. That's my point, yes you have your point of view but neither of us have data. Common sense just suggests some percentage should be fulfilled by paying and not participate in the sum of men being "fuckboys" as it were in the dating pool. That's what I'm trying to point out, it's fairly obvious logic but yes I admit there's an incredibly low off-c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:34 AM
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I'll die on this hill. A percentage of men will stop trying to play women in the first place if we just decriminalize sex work FULLY. On the flip side we also have to consider that it's a huge win for women to have the right to consent on the terms of money and to profit off of these horny men... i.e. something tangible is actually gained.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 05:01 AM
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Okay so you started fine by providing your objection to the debate... lovely... the rest was adhom. To address your counter point: "That means that men do not 'play' or seek to manipulate women in countries where sex work is legal." I clearly said it would cause some percentage of these men to pay instead of manipulate. The reason we'd need a source of statistical data to counter that is because it's based on an assertion of statistics but also logic. The logic is that it must reduce the prevale…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:55 AM
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No that was logic and I spelled it out for you like you were in kindergarten. If you're unable to follow that's your ineptitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:31 AM
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Women often complain that they have bad dating experiences because men only want sex. Women complain they have bad experiences with dating because men pretend to commit to them trying to get sex when they've clearly said they want commitment and not a hookup or friend with benefits. In countries without decriminalized sex work, the ONLY way a man can have sex is without paying for it... legally. Therefore men in countries like America "play" aka manipulate women who want relationships into think…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 04:13 AM
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Logic dictates it has to though. You're claiming it changed nothing, bringing another claim into the discussion based on your perspective in Europe. However with no tangible evidence that the experiment failed there. Here's the thing, the study doesn't exist. You can be mad about that if you want but you have no way to back up your statement and you haven't even quantified what you think would make dating better. From what perspective? Whose perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 03:42 AM
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I've never even harmed anybody with my cum. I've heard it's even nutritious. You have risks in every activity in life. Just walking around outside, you never know what could happen. Might as well not cum in a sock. Besides literally every STI is treatable, preventable or curable now. No reason to hide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 12:46 AM
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Yeah but it's mostly extreme evangelical types and SWERFs (Sex Work Exclusionary Radical Feminists) who push for those laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:42 PM
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Cumming into a sock instead of a person is a healthy habit? Don't tell me you think depriving yourself of the greatest experiences in life for sub-mediocrity is healthy. Maybe safer for the body, but not for the mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:40 PM
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Nah. The radfems who want to criminalize men for it are sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:26 PM
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It never had value aside from the demand to get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:25 PM
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Well... agree to disagree. My nut doesn't deserve to end up in a sock.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:25 PM
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Yeah but from which side of the coin is it a clown show? If men can pay, why manipulate women on dating websites out of thirst? I mean if they're just mean and want to break hearts or just HAVE to have that one specific woman I guess. There, logically, would still have to be some guys who wouldn't feel the need to manipulate women into unwanted non-committal sex. They could just pay to play. How isn't my logic working is what I need to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:46 PM
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I guess you're right. So we have no reason to believe each other on data. That said logic doesn't allow me to believe that women would still be played by tons of horny guys if they could just pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:43 PM
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It's sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:41 PM
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Gosh I think that's really just the misconception resulting from horny guys hurting women who wanted relationships. I can't imagine it being universally from some malevolent place, I'd hope not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:41 PM
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I'm just saying something that's a universal truth. If ANYBODY has a core urge or biological imperative they'll find whatever means they need to. It's better to redirect that energy into something mutually beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:39 PM
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I've met guys that made women gush on themselves but they still couldn't just get it right when they wanted it without strings. If that guy really wanted it right then, he'd have to pay. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:38 PM
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Ohhh got ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:36 PM
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Thanks :3
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:35 PM
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Actually data isn't useless. You have anecdotes and that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:22 PM
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Yeah from the point you said idk you lost me. You don't stop people's needs by just saying stop. If the guys can't find a way then they'll get it somehow. Chant that men aren't entitled to sex all you want but they'll get it somehow because they simply must.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:20 PM
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I absolutely do not trust you when you say that it doesn't change a damn thing on the dating market. You would have to run a very thorough study at a minimum to conclude: How often are you as a woman seeking commitment manipulated by a player into an unwanted sexual encounter? United States v. Netherlands. Bring us that study, those statistical results and I'll believe you. Otherwise you cannot prove its the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:04 PM
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Not all men who play want to manipulate for just that thrill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:00 PM
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How does it not though? If it's fixing a problem that wastes her time and puts her through undue heartache then what exactly is it doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:57 PM
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People want what they want is my point. If she's a perfect 10, then her selling the service is probably the only way the average or ugly guy will ever have any chance. That's my point. Also can you explain to me, a guy over 40, when and why did we start using "weird" do describe any sex positive take a man ever has that suits male needs in any measurable way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:55 PM
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Regardless of why, it's disgraceful to have to masturbate and sad that we don't allow women to consent for money if they wish. Historically they've wanted to since the beginning of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:52 PM
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Okay and you aren't a woman who has had to deal with hundreds of men trying to get meaningless sex when you're trying to commit. Baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:49 PM
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Got a source?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:48 PM
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No absolutely illogical solution. Criminalizing customers only oppresses half and is rooted in sexism. Further it puts sex workers in danger because they can't screen. They can't work either effectively still criminalizing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:47 PM
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Not remotely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:46 PM
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Not entirely but follow my logic. If Bob is horny, wants only sex but no commitment but Angie wants commitment and gets frustrated that Bob and the other guys keep just getting to have sex with her and leave... Bob should be able to pay instead of manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:45 PM
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Then how do you solve players? If someone just wants sex they'll manipulate to get it. If they can pay, that saves the heartache.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:44 PM
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Totally agree, nor can it be eradicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:43 PM
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Ah yes, your religious dogma is preventing you. You can have a family and sex work can be decriminalized. You shouldn't try to settle down with people who don't want to settle down anyway. Why are you wanting to control whether they can sell sexual services? If they don't want commitment, they're wrong for your goal of a commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:42 PM
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Do you live in Europe? Are you a woman who regularly gets played for sex? Or are you just saying that without quantifying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:40 PM
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It will work for some. I can't speak for all but they create a cycle of in group bias focusing on stereotypes about why they can't get what they want. In the case of a lot of incels they're mad they can't force a woman who doesn't want them to want them. I bet if the guys willing to just get sex but who can't were able to though, the incel community would be cut in half because they are looking for answers there and getting sympathetic messaging there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:39 PM
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Actually STDs aren't incredibly common when people are careful that's a huge misconception. Also your entire argument exists based on purity culture ideals that a woman's value has anything to do with body count or sex. It objectively does not and those ideas belong in the centuries they came from or were sadly revived in (1600s and late 1800s). No, the demonizing language you are using is false. Nobody's life is ruined, nobody is specifically groomed, Andrew Tate apparently trafficked women and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:33 PM
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Well usually it's regulation that causes the costs to rise. For example special licensing for brothels in Nevada make it expensive. I'm not sure where you get that it's difficult to get in SE Asia or Latin America. Poverty in general is the issue in those countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:28 PM
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Maybe minor regulation like routine STD testing but honestly even if they come up positive they should just have to notify customers. Some people already have diseases so they'd just mess with their own or those willing to take the risk. Otherwise I don't get the need for regulation. Tax, yes. Maybe zoning otherwise to keep it off of major public streets and in private. Just be careful when regulating that's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:23 PM
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I think divorces happen for a lot of reasons. In fact, I'm pretty sure the urge to just have a different sex partner is at least half of the cases but they'll never admit that was the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 01:36 PM
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Why, with automation already taking out entire industries and with robotics rapidly following suit, is our reproduction rate a bad thing? Who is going to feed, shelter and otherwise support the 8-10 billion people we hope to sustain in a time when human labor is rarely needed even for healthcare? We are, in my opinion, fortunate about the decline in our reproduction. Demographic replacement isn't the answer. Robotics will fix these labor gaps including nursing the aging. Plus with all these peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:28 PM
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Yes, I live in Texas, I feel that at my soul. That's why I'm making this argument. China and Russia are less authoritarian about it and once we realize that maybe we can change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 09:07 PM
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Yes, most women want a provider or protector. In their youth the provider of strong genes for their offspring and protection more. When they're older it's about being provided for more than anything. This is why I'm a sex work advocate. It's just cutting out the BS for both sides. The direct trade of what men want (to simulate reproduction and passing his genetic material) and what women want (provision). Even under communism in the USSR they couldn't fully ban sex work. There was always a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:11 PM
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Yep hence sex work is the solution for these dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:00 PM
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With gaming, good food and a sexual outlet... who needs anybody? There are so many fulfilling hobbies, what time is there for other people really? A companion at best, even one of the same gender is really the most one might pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:59 PM
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To me, a hedonist, that sounds a bit Heavenly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:57 PM
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I'm genuinely curious, are you getting into group activities to meet women? Are you using dating apps and being careful not to telegraph red flags? If all of this doesn't work, could you just support the full decriminalization of sex work so at least if men want to hook up its as simple as earning the money to get that action and just move along with life? Nobody is entitled to love, sex, anything from anybody else. The best thing, for a healthy mind is to intend and not desire. If you desire yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 01:55 PM
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Ugh you're missing out on a whole UNIQUE body thinking the hand tames you. From here on you realize it won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:58 AM
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If you had a raging sex drive and natural urge for multiple partners, that ball and chain would get old fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 03:47 PM
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Not denying that. If you're not attractive she won't take a seat on the joystick. It doesn't matter how much you bond, that is, aside from a few rare scenarios that require way too much investment for negligible return. My points aren't moot, but there's a bit of complexity here. I've seen plenty a Chad try for weeks to get one bite on dating sites only to get nothing. If said Chad played it cool and offered to date without in any way telegraphing he wanted sex, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 10:08 PM
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Reading the room, here's what I'm able to get out of all of this: Women face a ton of social stigma and have other inherent barriers to have sex with a man. So for a man to get that, despite her sexual urges, he has to overcome her barriers and give her a sense of security. This usually comes in the form of some sort of commitment rather than a hookup. If I'm understanding right, this is more of a "why aren't more women just hooking up for sex if they're as horny as men?" question. I'd argue the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:23 PM
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Yeah yet again with the mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:09 PM
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You're back at it with mental gymnastics but okay. So what is it about? "cOnfIdEncE"? Please, come up with new material. If it's not about looks, we would really like to know the answer because it's not confidence. I've seen plenty of hot guys exude tons of it and not get lucky for months on end unless they settled HARD.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:07 PM
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It absolutely does because in the end, the game is often based on assumptions not commitments. If you think that through very carefully then you'll get it. Cheers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:30 PM
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Honestly we'll be banging robots by then. Society sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:27 PM
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It's genuinely how I found a few girlfriends on dating sites. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:25 PM
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This is why women should approach men. The ball is in their court and they call the shots when it comes to sexuality and whether or not they'd accept a man approaching them. Men hitting on women is generally regarded as a nuisance unless the guy was born sexier than Adonis, clearly has money or fits into some kink category. Even then, none of those guarantee a majority of receptive women. It's still more likely those guys would be regarded as creeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 04:24 PM
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Well, here's my issue, for those of us who are autistic or just awkward, why can't women just come to us? Honestly is it that hard when you have literally NOTHING to lose and everything to gain? I mean do they even realize we "socially inept" guys are like mad scientists in the sack? They're missing out tbh. 🤣🤣🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/24 02:42 PM
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Interesting. This might be true but I'm starting to believe the absolute best way is to "date" and let them cheat or dump them if they're clingy. You're never playing long term commitment, you just never say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:02 AM
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Yes, 7-8% of men get hookup sex and since they're the only ones getting it so they have the majority of STDs. When new women also come of age and hook up with those guys, they have a pool of men to choose from where most have a disease to spread. Fortunately all can be either managed or cured. It's more of a stigma issue in society that we're even making a big deal about this. With better medical access in society and less stigma, this wouldn't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 05:42 PM
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Nothing like being that friend who gets the action when the committed woman feels frustrated and impulsive. 😂😂😂 I've met guys who their entire angle is having female friends, lots of them, while they're married. One great example claimed he was asexual and left my now wife for another woman whom he impregnated, a friend of course. I think at best, most people are what they're calling "monogamish" now. 95% loyal but 5% of the time they're getting the side action. Let's be real, having the same me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 01:18 PM
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If you take anything from this discussion: Women require something in trade for sex. The only guys that ever just get hookups with no strings are in the very top percentile or match a fetish said woman happens to have. Fully decriminalized sex work, and accepting that you always pay for "no strings" sex is necessary in society for men who are into women to be fulfilled. It's also critical for the type of women who are seeking to capitalize off of those male biological imperatives. Nothing wrong …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 04:10 AM
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You clearly mean tradcon men are losing. Good.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 02:16 PM
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Got a source for these surveys?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:25 AM
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It's more like they know that it would get out that they're not just getting with 1-2 guys ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:48 PM
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Well, he's my cousin and even my traditionalist Uncle was mad about it when he lived at home still and would have two random women in his room.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:47 PM
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There's no doubt at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:45 PM
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That's it, slut shaming just keeps them compelled to hide the truth. Likewise men do a lot of lying about their real numbers. Thing is, some of us have witnessed it first hand with some guys. The top percent but still, they get crazy action.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:45 PM
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They do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:42 PM
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The friend who used to mess with all our mutual female acquaintances actually got it on right behind me while we watched Elf 🤣 That was maybe a week after he was getting rides from me to other women's houses and I could count at least 3-4 that month. All of these women gave it up without a wait. Not only that but the guy getting the threesomes is my cousin. Whole family knows about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:41 PM
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My cousin is a really good looking dude, used to go out to the mall and go home with two all the time in his 20s. Heck every time I'd introduce a female friend to him he'd get it within a day. Now he's married with kids and very family oriented but yeah... Who knows, maybe things are different all the sudden.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:38 PM
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Why wouldn't they? If they can give it up that easily you'd think it's not the first time they've given it up easily. Besides I've had plenty of female friends admit that OP is full of it. Heck I got passed like a peace pipe myself with some of these women saying things like "have you tried him yet"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:41 PM
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It doesn't matter. If they made society think that they were lying about their body count because the real numbers were high in an anonymous survey then they'd be found out. Those surveys aren't evidence for or against. If anything it just suggests there's a concerted effort to pretend they don't have a lot of hookups. Gee, I wonder why. In fact, there's a fair chance OP is a woman or is trying to protect the reputation of women with this very debate. Edit: I can't figure OP out actually. Guessi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:35 PM
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They do lie. They absolutely 💯 do lie on those surveys and it's because society compelled them to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:26 PM
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I've literally watched guys that are top 5% in height and looks pull regular threesome with women they met just out at a store. I've seen a friend of mine go through just about every halfway attractive woman we both knew. Nice gaslighting but objectively false. Truth be told, women aren't a monolith and neither are men. However a lot more women will sleep around without ever admitting it than people realize. Here's my hot take, that's perfectly acceptable and does nothing to their inherent value…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 07:25 PM
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Who hurt you? Hahaha sorry I had to say that... 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 05:27 PM
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I don't think I can add to what other men have said here. It's in women's best interest to reverse some of the social restrictions that have been placed on men when they attempt to express interest in public. That said, why don't more women approach men? What's the worst that will happen? They'll be turned down? At least men won't call them a creep to their face and act like they're a leper for trying. At least men won't even potentially film women and try to run them through the mud as sexual a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 01:52 PM
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TOTALLLY agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 12:19 AM
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Sad that we have to constantly remind people we mean "consensually". I agree a zillion times, what I really want are long term friendships with benefits. That's all I've ever wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:35 PM
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Yeah like don't go to the job you hate or starve. The only objection you seem to have is sex, am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:28 AM
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But it's still sex work which is only different in the sense that bodies aren't clapping for money. Let's be real, someone is still paying another person for a sexual thrill and the outcome is essentially the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 02:28 AM
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It's still sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:40 PM
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That's a fact. It's transactional for at least most people. If you think that date you're paying for isn't the transaction then you're naive. If she expects a provider or marries for money, it's transactional. That's damn near all dating and marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:40 PM
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You could really push the hypothetical extremes of what is or isn't consent but if they consent they consent. I'm for UBI because I don't want anybody to absolutely have to do things they don't want to do. We don't clock into work for fun every morning. It's a universal truth that we're exploited by economic hardship unless we're just really lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:38 PM
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I'm very much for it. You just have to convince people to FULLY decriminalize the world's oldest profession. Dude other primates even have transactional sex, it's as natural as consuming food or drinking water. It's these hangups people have about it that's unnatural. If it harms none, in an imminent way and I don't mean hypothetically, it should be permitted. We have a wall of sex work exclusionary radical feminists, theocratic folks and tradcons to deal with though. They're some very determine…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 08:32 PM
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I've been asking that for years, it's been the case for at least 6-7 years now and it's obnoxious. Tradcons are a disease. A failed evolution stuck in their olden days and unable to adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 04:59 AM
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The perfect comment doesn't exi...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:04 AM
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Example #1 is basically my marriage and it's been a very successful 10 years now. We're way better off than the overwhelming majority of the tradcon, evangelical or other family centered couples. But y'all can keep pretending that jumping blindly into the first infatuation experience you get and putting a ring on it for life is better. We have things in common. We believe in unconditional love. That's the big difference and at this point should she see other men I'm fine with it. Update: This wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:01 AM
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Women and people in general on reddit at least pretend to be some of the most obnoxious, self righteous, short attention span having folks alive. I really am okay with them not liking me. I'm not trying to stick my dick in that kind of crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:43 AM
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Keep your judgemental, self righteous opinions to yourself. It's not hard buddy. That's what needs to stop being normalized. Being moral policing busybodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:09 AM
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What don't you understand? I want to normalize people staying out of other people's relationships who aren't in those relationships. It doesn't matter if you found out. Normalize cheating? It's not my business. If they cheat, they cheat. It's them, not me, not my spouse. And yes of course expect it because MOST people absolutely do cheat at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:49 AM
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Forced morality in private relationships shouldn't be a thing though. Regardless of whether you are for monogamy or not, it's still their private life. It's not about whether cheating should be treated as bad to "tHiNk oF tHe cHiLdReN", it's about whether or not it's their business in the first place or anybody else's. If it leaks that someone cheated, oh well. And it's not the end of the world, someone else's relationship ends or has turmoil. You're still on about whether kids will see real lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:40 PM
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Always the children isn't it? First off you don't have to teach your kids to get involved in other people's relationships. One could just as well argue that monogamous commitment is immoral and shouldn't be taught to children. Finally, I'll agree, it should take a village and that would mean an end to the pair bonding system. We all raise the kids, I'm for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:03 PM
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Because bullying as a group is a form of control and you shouldn't do it. It's not your business, you act like it is. Don't pretend that you haven't collectively made morality legislation. As for historic societies, what evidence do you have? Even then, what were the circumstances as far as technology and medicine at that time?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:01 PM
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"iN bAd fAiTh" Yes, my argument is bad faith but your removal of my free will and human rights... totally a scouts honor kinda good faith. I mean you just want what's best for everyone right? Not what's best for you. Sure bro. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:18 AM
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What do you hope to accomplish? Socially destroying me until I kneel to your authority? Your subjective values? Okay Adolf.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:09 AM
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Look it's like this, you can't stop me. You literally can't do anything that will force me into subservience to you and your values.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:43 AM
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Yeah because from the beginning of time, it was never your ilk's right to be a bunch of beady eyed, authoritarian, control freak busybodies. (Mind you, I don't mean you personally but I mean the controlling lot of society who think they even have a right to hate on people's free choices like "cheating" when it's not their damn relationship) People have free will. Don't like that they cheat? Not your business, not your vows, not your problem. You can't prove society would collapse and burn if peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 04:37 AM
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By specifically focusing on punishing Johns under the utterly false notion that they are greatly spiking demand for human trafficking. Actually, the laws are doing that. Make it available everywhere and use law enforcement against the cartels, mobs or other groups actually trafficking we wouldn't be targeting men and male sexuality. We could actually solve the issue but that's not the concern as you've admitted already. Abolitionists don't care about women being forced into labor, they care abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 06:59 PM
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Oh no it definitely isn't. In many places trafficking is incorrectly defined in law such as transporting a sex worker between state, national or provincial lines for entirely non sexual purposes. Sometimes it's a matter of them simply being sex workers who are migrants, see the New Zealand issue where that's their remaining major concern about their decriminalization efforts. Please don't gaslight about this. The policing and law enforcement standards in the US for example have made any sex work…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:18 PM
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Because men need sex and if there's a giant sausage fest only a small percent are getting laid. Pisses men off to be repressed and they lean to violence as their outlet. It's not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:09 PM
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Wouldn't be imported if sex work were everywhere. Also most of the time what abolitionists, evangelicals and SWERFs call "trafficking" isn't "trafficking" at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:08 PM
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The screening process is prevented by the Nordic model which has statistically caused more of that violence. Also what kind of misandrist bs is this talking about men like a monolith as if we collectively just beat women? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 04:06 PM
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The answer is fully decriminalized sex work and getting rid of that absurd misandrist Nordic model.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 02:14 PM
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Actually it's why a lot of us well endowed guys wear hammock underwear (although we do need the support) or grey sweats with no underwear. Even pleated dress slacks are a way to show off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 02:13 PM
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I'm of the opinion that what other people do in their sex lives, as long as it's between consenting adults, including infidelity or sleeping around, is their own business. I believe society, sticking its collective nose where it doesn't belong is the immoral thing here. Needs to stop entirely. Nobody has the right to control other people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 01:17 AM
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That was some verbal diarrhea and yeah we're unsympathetic toward women catching feels immediately. Better yet, attempting to manipulate men into lifelong jail, I mean commitment, that they don't want to be in via sex. See, men are systematically sex starved, teased and then guilted into "meaningful relationships" when a man is like a bee. A bee goes from flower to flower to flower.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 05:46 AM
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Because a lot of women feel insecure about younger women being able to sexually seduce older men into new relationships with them. This leaves the older woman without her man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:47 AM
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As a man, I'm against exclusivity altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:18 PM
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What if, crazy idea I know, we intentionality stopped being assholes. I know, absolutely mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:12 AM
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Because they're selfish. They claim to practice empathy unoronically. Verily, verily, I say unto thee... any woman who claims to be empathic who doesn't sucketh an ugly fat dude's cock out of empathy but instead damns him for having a sex drive is a hypocritical harpy. Thus saith a dude. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:11 AM
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I guess if my worldview was completely self centered I'd be ok with this, sure. But really isn't actual equality supposed to be the goal? Being fair and even handed? Or did we just give up and decide that's impossible? Did we REALLY ever try? I've seen one sex try to take the piss on the other from both sides the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:53 AM
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Some of us are just hedonists. We don't want to deal with a ball and chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:02 PM
2

Absolutely. The problem is, the average person is too intellectually lazy to go to WebMD and look into the very basic science of reproduction. Google is available to everyone aside from maybe a couple of countries and they still have most of that information on their search engines. They aren't clear, they're having large hormone fluctuations. It's basic medical science. That said, convincing the average person who won't bother to educate themselves to actually do so is a beast of a task in and …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 12:08 AM
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It's literally just a temporary drop in your sex hormones. It's not clarity, it's an altered state to what your majority state is. You're essentially tired. It's like asking to bottle up sleepiness because you are mentally clear in your exhaustion. Actually your hedonistic urges are your true and purest state. You've just been brainwashed by western prude hangups and you think you need to be a nutless eunuch to be enlightened. There's the problem. Your worldview is on backwards and you should sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:58 PM
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Finally, someone telling it how it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:28 PM
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This, is such a frequent take, everywhere. I don't know, I guess some of us, like myself, were born with a really big sex drive while 99% of people were not. To me, sex with a new person is the absolute best sensation a person can experience in their whole life. So there's your merit, it makes a few of us VERY VERY VERY VERY happy and we'd really like it if you'd just leave us alone about it. Look, I get it, to animalistically breed new offspring and raise them as your soul purpose in life while…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 10:25 PM
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Yes, sure you are. Well even if so I've dealt with plenty of PAs who were clueless. If people were educated about those measures and encouraged to have safe sex lives then we'd have a different story entirely. You're actively posting on places like /r/truechristian about abstinence so I'm pretty sure you have no grounds to pretend that you're not coming from a place of ideological bias. It's not about STI fears, it's about your hangups. In fact, it's literally all over your post history. Concern…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 05:46 AM
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Every single one of those things are preventable by the medications I listed and you claimed to be aware of. You just went straight to adhoms because I didn't agree with your purity culture mindset. Btw let's not forget that walking outside, even existing at all, comes with risks and we all must perish at some point. So this inherent radicalized fearmongering over medically preventable or curable STIs doesn't even remotely make sense from a rational perspective. Sure, men die of throat cancer fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 04:41 AM
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Since it's non exclusive to women. The robots are coming. Population must decrease. No jobs. It's over. Who is feeding these people. Stop breeding. Sex for pleasure and use every birth control method you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:50 AM
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Let me get this straight, you're on the front lines of medicine you say, dealing with STIs and yet you're unaware of gardisil, truvada, valtrex, doxycycline, the hep a/b vaccine, etc. Hey, look I'll buy you work at a hospital but if you're fear mongering over preventable, curable and manageable conditions as a reason not to live a fulfilled life, I'm not going to assume you're an infectious disease doctor. Hey, nobody said you had to go out and have a sex life. I'm just tired of people ranting a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:44 AM
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I feel like you're gaslighting me so just admit I'm right and let's end it. 🤣😭😜 This is the internet buddy. Cheers to our dopamine hits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 03:06 AM
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First off this urge to be a "Natalist" is actually far more base, primitive and apelike than realizing our senses have evolved and trying to use science and modern social infrastructure to have modern casual sexual relationships. You're clearly projecting that you're the one dealing with base urges, primitive instincts, regressed tendencies. I'm aware of automation and how the future is rapidly approaching. We won't have the jobs for your kids and who is taking care of them as jobless adults? We…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:53 AM
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First off have you heard of PreP? Less than 20 people, since the invention of the medication, have had breakthrough cases. Meaning in any statistically meaningful way HIV is 99.9% preventable even in the riskiest situations with people who are full blown AIDS infected. The bedrock of what society? These tradcon values had their last big comeback in the 1880s. The ideals led to some of the worst racial atrocities in American history as people of color were accused and attacked for being "sex offe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:40 AM
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This whole post is what I'm talking about when I say westerners have hella bad hangups about sex and it's just making the world hell for anybody with an actual libido. You can always find ways to twist language and ideology to form purity culture and demonize sexuality as harmful. Always. It doesn't matter how simple it is, with enough mental gymnastics I bet I could explain how degrading and damaging someone having sex only for reproduction in a traditional marriage is to women and how it damag…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 02:29 AM
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First off, I'm the most outspoken man alive. I'm for ending commitments, raising children as a village and procreating less. I think casual sex should be the default, as common as a hug or handshake with a stranger. We can cure, treat, prevent, vaccinate against every sexually transmitted disease now. We can do the same with pregnancy. So all we have are emotional hangups and insecurity. I've resolved to the fact, however that the hangups are so severe in the west that I'm going to end up in Asi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 11:52 PM
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Casual sex seeker. My opinion, you all need to get over monogamy. Literally every human. It's sickening in this millenia. You are getting a divorce eventually anyway and you'll cheat. We're almost all sexual to some extreme and those feels are the real delusion. Yes, the sex bots will fix these stupid hangups people have and their delusions about how they need to be in chains with someone rather than living out those buddy comedy movies from the early 00s in real life. I'm actually married thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:27 AM
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There are a boat load of problems here. First off RAINN is a very, very biased non government organization whose sole purpose is biased activism. Very very very biased, intentionally steered emotionally to their cause and cherry picked data kinda activism. They've been very successful in making sure they're in the ears and possibly pockets of many of America's legislators on the federal and state level. Also the universities and by proxy of redefining legal terminology the law enforcement agenci…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 05:17 AM
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I still want to understand how you definitively prove only 2-3% of rapists go to jail. Are we referring to cases where they were convicted via due process and still didn't get jailed? I'm confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 03:08 AM
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Didn't you just express exactly why OP is right while using your mom as the perfect example of why? 🤦🏻‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 02:58 AM
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I'd say 1 and 2 from your list. More sexual women and more of them to the ratio of men would basically solve the problem. It's already basically a gynocracy as even these concepts about traditionalism, banning sexual imagery, stoic men, etc. all come from a place of pandering to and/or overprotecting women as opposed to the pleasure and fulfillment of men. Western society simps unbelievably hard in this way. Literally to the endless detriment of men and male overall satisfaction. What men desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 04:27 PM
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Are men getting more action? No. They're getting accused more. That's not a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 03:08 AM
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It's not that bad. The first few breakouts are rough and then you have less and less with lower severity according to medical documentation I've red. There's medication to handle it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 03:07 AM
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