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I was gonna say the same thing your first sentence did. OPs post seems to make a strong case for why they do not have time or money to date. They literally have a few hours a day free where they aren’t working or studying, that means they either see their girlfriend for 2 hours, and get no time for themselves, or the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:42 AM
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This seems like conflating “caring about women” with rejection anxiety. They are mutually exclusive or really even very related, they’re entirely orthogonal. People who don’t give a shit about other people’s feelings can still have social anxiety because they care about their own feelings of discomfort if they’re perceived as awkward or weird. Rejection can feel bad even if you don’t care about the emotions or feelings of the person rejecting you. So I don’t see why you’d expect that it’s someho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 04:38 AM
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Oh yeah lol you grew up on an entirely different continent. Sounds like a much better culture to be honest. When I was in my fraternity, fucking a girl that has a boyfriend was totally normal and honestly it seemed like people thought it was cool. Sometimes a guy within the frat would even be dating a girl and they'd break up and then a bunch of other guys would fuck her and somehow they thought that was acceptable. Some of my fears might just be projection. I have relatively severe ADHD and as …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:06 PM
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That's fair. We're all shaped by our own experiences. I have no RCT I can point to that says "women love getting fucked by strangers". I think it really depends on your circle. A lot of my relationship opinions were formed during college at a big party school and I was in a fraternity, it left me cynical for a while because I just saw such an insane amount of cheating, in fact every single girl I knew who had a boyfriend, if she came to a party without him I saw her going off to one of my frat "…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:03 PM
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I’m honestly tired and don’t have any energy to debate today but I’d just say I think you are an outlier and projecting, I don’t think most women think and feel like you do. I wish I could say more but I’m beat down too much this week. No energy left
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:24 PM
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So when someone does something while intoxicated (cheating, hooking up or anything else) it’s not totally random. I mean, obviously. That would break causality. I was never trying to say it was random. Only that it's paradoxical to define "desire" in a way that omits inhibition from the picture because by that definition almost everyone has some horrific "desires". I understand your philosophical point, that if a person wouldn’t normally act on something when their full cognitive control is inta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 04:00 AM
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How do your morals play out in real life? Do you never do things you regard as morally wrong I'm not perfect so of course I do things that I regard as morally wrong. The difference is I am not absolved of wrongdoing just because the outcome wasn't bad. You have made it clear you believe the outcome is what matters, not the intent. It's so far removed from how I see the world that I can't see a way to reconcile it. And you think aiming a gun at me and pulling the trigger several times does not ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:50 PM
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What makes you think this is a problem? I do not hold myself to standards of never doing wrong. Well, wait. Now you're switching arguments around again. This sentence implies that you admit cheating is wrong. The utilitarian argument is that it isn't as long as it doesn't have consequences. So which is it? I try to cause no harm No you don't. It is mental gymnastics to say you are cheating while trying to cause no harm. If you were trying to cause no harm, the logical way to do that would be not…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:12 PM
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Oh. Well, you've definitely elucidated the difference in opinion here. Yes, I am emphatically a deontologist. I see no other way to run a society that respects people's rights. Utilitarianism allows violation of individual rights if it leads to a better collective outcome. I.e. -- if the 4th amendment can be shown to cause more criminals to get away with crime, it can be done away with. My 2nd amendment rights to bear arms become dependent on a statistical analysis of whether or not gun rights l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:14 PM
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Because there is a biological pull towards overeating. A biological pull you can overcome. Sometimes you lose that battle. Yeah, because nobody is perfect. Now, why would cheating and lieing, two equally aspects also tied in with survival/procreating be any different? WHy do you expect that we always win that fight? I don't expect you to always win that fight, which would mean you never lie to anyone ever for your entire adult life. I expect you to take responsibility for your actions, admit the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:58 PM
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Well I see zero comments where /u/ChickenSand32 is generalizing about women, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:49 PM
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"I don't like that you proved him wrong It's a plainly absurd statement to make that a screenshot of a Reddit comment "proves" them wrong, when their original comment was that they're sure these people exist but they're a small percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:46 PM
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Seriously. Leading with this is just batshit insane: Because their biggest problem in life is that they cant get multiple hot young women to have casual sex with them. Like, how can you have conversations with real human beings and think this is the case? Most people's "biggest problem" is not sex. Even among the most sex-hungry subgroups, which would be teenage boys, most of them have bigger life stressors and problems than just "I want more pussy"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:45 PM
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Because they lack the discipline to make the right choice, and that's exactly what you'd say about them, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:43 PM
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And I respect you for apologizing instead of doubling down which is what most Redditors do. It seems like you do care about the empirical evidence as opposed to just being right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:22 PM
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Well a few things. One, I concede that proper blinded RCT type designs obviously have not been conducted that would show what I am saying is true, so it is speculation to some extent. I'm not sure how that would even be reliably shown, given that desires are internal and can't be validated. I would say the same is even still true of the GABAa mechanisms... We can't actually verify concretely that the desire being acted upon with lowered inhibitions was there to begin with. It's not like we can r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:20 PM
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It's fine that you apologized lol I appreciate it but tbh for me it's more important that we find common ground on the effects of alcohol. My feelings get hurt more by ignoring scientific evidence than they do by people being condescending 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:30 PM
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I was just having a laugh because it happens literally every day that people copy past scientific info they can’t interpret properly from an internet webpage and try to win the argument by using ‘difficult language’ to silence others, not knowing that I actually do know what they speak off. I wasn't "copy pasting" anything, I was reciting my own knowledge, and if you "actually know do know what they speak of" then you probably shouldn't have said that alcohol "just lowers the filter" and doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:29 PM
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Doesn't mean you HAVE to cheat lie and kill Okay, so then, you don't have to cheat and lie. You have free will to choose not to do those things, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:13 PM
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It's a classic. Act like a douchebag, be condescending (while wrong) and then be like awwwww man why are you so mean to me :'(
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:11 PM
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I was just making my own point of view more clear, not everything I say is to counter you [...] Don’t get why you needed to be this hostile to me. Lmfao, this also you? Lmao 😂 you just gave me a good laugh. You should know that I’m a doctor, graduated medicine 3 years ago and working in the field ever since, so watching you try to flex brain chemistry at me is genuinely funny. ... waaaaaaahhhh I don't get why you're being so hostile after I was a condescending jerk wahhhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:10 PM
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Oh, yeah. I forgot about Canada. Thank god I don’t live in a place like that. The idea that I become responsible for someone’s finances because we cohabitate for a year is batshit insane to me. “Common law” marriage is retarded and is basically the government forcing you to get married even if you don’t want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 02:28 AM
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Then I’m just ugly man idk. Because I haven’t had that experience at all and I’m slightly above average height and far above average in the dick department
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:37 AM
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¯\(ツ)/¯ I had to order MyOnes from the UK because I have too much girth for stateside condoms to fit and I've never had this experience. Maybe it's just you dawg lol. Maybe if you're tall, super good looking and hung you just live in a different world. Start a business... Make it the CheaterBuster. Dudes will def hire you to see if you can get their wife to cheat
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:25 AM
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I have only seen some of Jordan Peterson's content, can you elaborate or provide an example of ideological bullshit? All his takes I saw seemed level-headed, evidence-based and science-backed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:15 AM
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I keep seeing in online communities how men are discouraged to get married and the top reason is divorce, but people don't really provide any other good arguments against it. That's because the substantive difference between being married and just being "in a relationship" is the financial ties that make separation a legally-complex process. There really isn't much other difference... You might change your last name and you can make medical decisions for your spouse but that's about it. Marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:09 AM
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Because divorce is a byproduct of ceasing to be married, not marriage itself. This is an absurd argument. Marriage is a precondition to divorce, therefore divorce is a downside of marriage. This kind of sounds like when people say "it's not the fall that kills you, it's stopping really quickly" like yeah dude but that can't happen to begin with if you don't jump off that building. Your other points are fairly salient IMO. Yes, having children or buying a house together makes the marriage issue f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:05 AM
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For years I've watched girls that are prim and proper in public, dirty beg for meaty cock in private. Wives, women in relationships would try to cheat on their SOs with me. I saw the dark underbelly of dating. Have you guys ever heard of selection bias? This shit always seemed so funny to me back in the mid 2010s when I'd browse /r/TheRedPill. Guys would make these """field reports""" where they'd talk about going to the club, hitting on 100 women, and at the end of the night fucking one of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 01:02 AM
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It's an evolutionary fitness benefit for a man to have babies with women he doesn't care for. It's also an evolutionary fitness benefit for a man to murder males that compete with him. You are justifying your actions by using biology as an excuse. I said above a lot of red pillers are morally bankrupt. You seem to be one of them. The red pill was originally never about this kind of shit. Justifying cheating and lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:58 AM
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Well said. When I was younger (like in my early teens) I remember "red pill" spaces being much more about logic and hard facts, they told me, hey, if you are super needy it does not come across as cute like it does in the movies, it turns girls off. And you should lift so you are strong, and you should do xyz. Nowadays a lot of "red pill" influencers seem like grifters and morally bankrupt ones at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:55 AM
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This is what I got: Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes human potential, agency, and dignity, often with a focus on ethical living and reason. It's characterized by a belief in the capacity of human beings to lead fulfilling lives without reliance on supernatural or religious beliefs. Humanism values individual freedom, social responsibility, and the pursuit of knowledge and understanding through science and reason. I don't really understand how this is mutually exclusive with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:53 AM
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I mean I didn’t say “always”, like I said it’s not a veto. But I guess we agree to disagree I think doing it regularly is not taken behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:02 PM
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Okay so then to back, when I said “change their habits” that’s what I was referring to. Changing their habits that have to do with single vs taken behavior. IMHO going clubbing is one of those behaviors. I’m not saying I’d just downright veto it but if a girl is regularly getting drunk and clubbing without her S/O that’s single girl behavior Let me put it this way, when I met my gf it was at a party. She was going to plenty of parties. It was college. Nothing wrong with that. But when we started…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:48 PM
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No, there are nights dedicated to certain ages, not actual clubs. Gay people like to have a space for their own community and have their own culture which gay clubs appeal to. Lol. There are age-specific clubs actually. And thanks for agreeing there are orientation specific clubs. What I’m saying is that if it were a “non-issue” that would mean it’s irrelevant and no one would care but women actually actively avoid the female only nightclubs by and large Have you ever been to a club or seen foot…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:46 PM
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Yes, alcohol alters neurotransmission, lowers inhibition, and affects reward systems. No one’s denying that. But none of that removes personal responsibility I didn’t say it does. Ever. In fact I’ve repeatedly at this point reiterated the opposite: the person who makes that decision is at fault. I was responding to the part of your comment which stated that alcohol “just lowers the filter”, but it doesn’t just do that. It actually mechanistically changes desires. Scary as shit that people like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:40 PM
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Bruh entering into a relationship by definition requires behavioral change, there’s no conceivable alternative. You go from having no romantic interpersonal obligations to having a person you’ve ostensibly made promises to. How can you not change your behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:36 PM
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This doesn’t seem at odds with my statement or with OPs. Yeah. Don’t date club girls. But some girls might not be “club girls” and might start clubbing later in the relationship. I’ve see it happen. And they’ll call the BF “insecure” if he doesn’t think it’s a good idea
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 10:35 PM
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Then call it reckless if you want but it still doesn’t shift the blame if someone cheats. ... Exactly? Of course it doesn't. I am saying the opposite. They deserve blame not just for cheating but also for putting themselves in a situation where it was more likely to begin with. Alcohol just lowers the filter, it doesn’t invent new desires. actually, alcohol not only potentiates GABAa-mediated synaptic transmission (which dampens pre-frontal output substantially) causing the "disinhibiting" effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:34 PM
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you shouldn't expect someone to change their habits when they enter a relationship This is the actual opinion some people hold lmfao. I'm blown away. But honestly not that surprised given how some people run their "relationships" these days and the end up surprised and act victimized when they don't workout.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:26 PM
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Because most women don't care enough about men being in a club to seek out female only clubs? Its just a non issue for most. No, this isn't a valid explanation. If it were a non-issue then the clubs would have plenty of patrons. The walls being painted blue versus purple is also a non-issue. Plus, a club that halved its number of potential punters would not make enough money and fail. So no club owner is going to do that. Another bad explanation, completely rejected by the fact that there are ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:25 PM
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All alcohol does is remove inhibition, it does not "influence behavior" This is an oxymoron. Inhibition is part of behavior. Most people have desires that they do not act on because the inhibitory part of the brain says "that is not a good idea, it would be a negative for my life". Given the biological nature of sex drive, having sex with people is one of those desires that tends to be inhibited by executive functioning circuits. It's also not true, by the way. Alcohol has impacts on many parts …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:22 PM
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Framing it as circumstantial blurs accountability No it doesn't. What I'm saying you're accountable for is being stupid and putting yourself in a situation where it's more likely to occur. Getting drunk (mind altering substance which reduces long term decision making cognitive performance) and going to a club late at night is reckless if you're in a relationship. It markedly increases the chances that bad choices are made.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:04 PM
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Cheating is up to the cheater. There’s no prevention of cheating This isn't how human behavior works or you're rejecting physical causality. You are more likely to cheat in some situations than others. So, putting yourself in those situations increases the probability that it occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:57 PM
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Also, if she's gonna cheat, she's gonna cheat. You "stopping" her from showing the top third of her boobs at the club isn't gonna keep her faithful. This is such a fucking stupid argument honestly. It's essentially saying that the choices someone makes about their environment do not influence their future decisions. This is not even mechanistically possible if you believe in causality. Alcohol and drugs are mind altering substances. Environment modifies behavior (this isn't even debatable). Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:55 PM
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This is incredibly untrue and sounds like projection on your part. People enjoy loud music and dancing with others people No they don't or the clubs that are female-only would be popular. Somehow they consistently fail despite women saying "ugh I hate getting hit on at the club".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:52 PM
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I honestly think this sounds ridiculous. You're basically saying "don't expect someone to change their habits when you enter into a relationship". A lot of people go out to clubs because they are single and looking to hook up and get attention. Becoming no longer single should change their habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:51 PM
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It’s an expression of intention So you're saying that people intend to stay in the marriage even if they become unhappy, but change their minds when they become unhappy in reality? From a practical angle, it’s a contract with a lot of legal benefits that you can’t get otherwise. You aren't understanding what I'm asking about. I'm talking about spoken marriage vows. You don't need to say "in sickness or in health" to get married. You can get a marriage certificate without a wedding, and you can h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 08:05 PM
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You’re still dodging the question. Yes, I agree with literally all of your points that an unhappy marriage in the long term is bad. SO THEN WHY VOW TO STAY TOGETHER WHETHER YOURE HAPPY OR NOT?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 06:52 PM
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Well first of all, lost magic in a relationship can be found again, and everyone in their life will go through periods of unhappiness. Unless something serious has happened like an affair or abuse, that is. But regardless -- Then why make those vows? If you can logically walk your way through this situation beforehand, why go up in front of everyone and lie? Get married for all I care, I just don't see why it's acceptable to lie to each other and everyone else. Somehow I feel like a lot of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/25 05:21 PM
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This is faulty logic. They are referring to men who "cannot" be faithful, not men who simply aren't because they don't feel any desire to resist their urges to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:38 PM
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.. The OP? It's like one of the first things in their post. They clearly include marriages in "relationships". It's like their first example.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:37 PM
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You can end any relationship at any time for any reason. This is what makes a mockery of marriage though. Why get up there in front of everyone and vow "for better or for worse, in sickness and in health" if what it really means is "as long as I want to"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 11:34 PM
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It’s bullet point 5 in your argument that red pillers would probably debate you on: So feminism makes men unhappy, and not having freedom makes women unhappy. Someone is resentful either way. They’d say that feminism does not make women happy, the lack of freedom doesn’t make them unhappy and claim women were happier before they had economic freedom (and responsibility).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 04:05 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 09:42 PM
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You think I made up recall bias, selection bias and response bias? Lmao this sub becomes a parody of itself more every single day
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:25 PM
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No you don't. Yeah, you do. We can't even agree that men and women think differently on the aggregate, Yes, we can, because like I already said in my very first comment, studies have already proven this. I even said that it is likely a large enough difference to influence career choices. But some of you are so broken that if anyone even slightly disagrees with your viewpoint you are incapable of conceptualizing their position as anything other than the extreme opposite of yours. because of this …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:23 PM
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early on in the pandemic, and I'm talking first few/several months, the amount of data was quite limited, and the death rate was believed to be a lot higher than it actually was. I can understand being afraid during that time, personally I was very afraid to give COVID to my parents, so I avoided eating out or going shopping for a while, probably 2-3 months until I learned more about the virus
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:47 AM
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Clearly you don't know what any of them mean lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:45 AM
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I don’t watch their show but if they are being investigated there has to be a legitimate reason. Why else would anyone waste time and resources? Are you being serious? Sometimes I can't tell with people on this site. Your comment implies there is no conceivable alternative to "they're just trying to help" -- as if malevolent actors or perverse incentives are simply not possible and do not exist. In the world we live in today, with all the incredible amounts of corruption on display, it's hard to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:31 AM
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Even the founding fathers knew certain types of speech had to be banned. For example any speech that insights panic such as screaming “fire” in a crowded theater was banned by the original founding fathers. No, it wasn't, lol. The "fire in a crowded theater" precedent comes from a SCOTUS ruling that didn't happen until 150 years after the Constitution was signed. And then it was overturned anyways, in 1969. That "you can't shout fire" example people repeatedly use was literally overturned. Lastl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:30 AM
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You dont need to read papers for this. Yes you do, because everything else you just mentioned suffers from: recall bias selection bias response bias a non-random and non-representative sample
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 03:24 AM
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Men and women are not physically equal, we dont think the same and we have different motivations. The physical differences are clear. What is your source for the "don't think the same" claim? Because the papers I've read on this subject have found minor differences but I'm not convinced they're really large enough to have much impact outside of men or women being more likely to pick certain career paths
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:57 AM
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Okay but if you actually read the report, I don't see where it says they are """investigating""" the whatever podcast. on one page it is mentioned: The algorithm- curated recommendation discovery feeds of any social media app, may have served you up a Tweet from the notorious manosphere influencer Andrew Tate lamenting the purported abominable state of masculinity in the West or a video from the Whatever Podcast mocking the "body count" But the OP gives the impression (to me, at least) that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:48 AM
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freedom of speech includes hate speech for rather obvious reasons, the most clear of which being that, giving a central authority the power to determine subjectively what is "hateful" defeats the whole purpose imagine if trump got elected again and had the power to ban speaking out against him because it was "hateful", you know he would do it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:44 AM
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you are saying there's evidence that the whatever podcast has a meaningfully large effect on men? do you know what the whatever podcast is? as far as "manosphere" content I have seen it's about as tame as it gets. he brings on college girls, asks them their body counts, asks them if body count matters, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:42 AM
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There is tremendous political will to "deal with" school shootings, it ranks high on people's list of issues when polled. the problem is that most proposed solutions are either (a) crap or (b) outright illegal, and so nobody can really agree on what should happen (except universal background checks)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:41 AM
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watch list for what? the whatever podcast is basically just the brian guy bringing on a bunch of college girls who don't have life figured out (because they're in college) and asking them questions that tend to have answers entertaining to the audience. it's nowhere near the level of something like fresh & fit where they actively say women deserve less in society. 99% of people watching whatever podcast are either looking to be entertained by dumb questions or they are teenagers who will eventua…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 02:39 AM
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