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The main inspiration for men is getting or protecting women. Even in the rat utopia, there were productive males, they simply stayed away from the rest of the society as it collapsed. Certainly, getting and protecting women are strong motivations for men. However, as you allude to, men can be productive from other motivating factors, one just has to find the right incentives. Our potential to be inspired into action by other factors is far greater than it is for the rat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 12:03 AM
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This is one of the reasons why men should not get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 06:36 PM
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Naturally, you should question everything, but questioning something does not necessarily mean rejecting it. Questioning it can also reaffirm its veracity, so the purple pill is not necessarily the answer if one still concludes from all their questioning that the general idea behind the red pill and its key tenets are still correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 06:22 PM
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All heterosexual men with normal or high sex drives are motivated by sex to some degree. It's not all that motivates them, but it is a big part of what motivates them. What man would not want to be a pussy magnet? That reason is often cited as one of the motivating factors behind a man wanting to become a rock star; for the groupies. No doubt, the men with higher sex drives are going to be more motivated by sex than those with lower. I mean, this is just basic logic. Men want sex with women, a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 05:45 PM
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This has not happened yet, I remember there was a proposal for a bill/law somewhere here, in The United States that would impose women who abort receive the death penalty- as far as I know that did not happen. If this did happen, it seems really strange to me. Never underestimate the human capacity for stupidity, particularly when people are trying to pander to women. One need only look at the idiocy that has already been given free rein as a consequence of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 04:55 PM
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Recognising that everyone eventually becomes infirm and dies is not incompatible with wanting to live your best life whilst healthy and remain healthy for as long as possible. The red pill is not about acting tough or alpha. It's about understanding the reality about gender dynamics and using that information to make more informed decisions and ultimately live the life you want to live, in light of this information. Also, even in old age, dignity still matters to people, whether they are men or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 10:22 AM
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Don't assume that selfish reasons are not involved if a woman does not leave a sick spouse or donates an organ to a spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 10:04 AM
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and dude sports fandom is so fucking clearly a cuckold fetish or closet gay thing that i dont even know how to approach disbelief in it. How you are going to argue that wearing some guy's name across your back is anything but homosexual fetishism is strange to me. Well, I'm not Sigmund Freud and I don't blindly subscribe to all this psychobabble about various subconscious psychological states that some people like to pontificate about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 09:08 PM
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so what about military guys? It's like a stereotype that they are dependent and insecure pussies for mates- if maleness is so intrinsically linked to feelings of security, why are they such insecure mates? They are like, the male trope raised to the second power, and they are more crippled with insecurity about sexual relationships than men in the general population. I'm not aware of this male stereotype. However, men have, for a long time, valued women's nurturing qualities and what they percei…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 09:03 PM
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I must have deleted and reposted my reply just after you replied to it. In any case, I think my theory is valid and likely. If you are one of those people who believe that all mental attitudes are entirely socially conditioned, then we have a fundamental disagreement about human mental states.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 08:57 PM
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lot of flaws there I think- for example, celebrity and athlete worship is clearly sexual in nature, it's just denied because sports guys can't accept that they are into big strong muscley dudes. I disagree with this. I don't think there is a sexual component at all, unless the gender of the person they are a fan of is the gender they are ordinarily attracted to. I mean, you only have my testimony to go o nand what I am saying is, the sight of women demonstrating talent physically arouses me. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 08:45 PM
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If you're male, then you're not female. Maybe you just have a low sex drive, which would make women's physical attractiveness and sexual allure less important. That would lead you to appreciate and prioritize other things about women you were interested in romantically. Maybe you are not even interested in them romantically and are just attracted to them platonically, in the way that a fan is attracted to the aura of a sports star or celebrity they admire. Maybe it's not even fandom, and is just…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 07:53 PM
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So you’re not in a debate sub to actually debate with facts. Got it. Not necessarily. If I feel like debating and believe that my debate opponent is arguing in good faith, I'm happy to debate. However, I think that this topic is too obvious and redundant to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 09:33 PM
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Firstly, most social studies are not worth the paper they are written on. Sure, but if it's so obvious, then there's gotta be Something out there for you to reference. Not necessarily, but there may well be. Secondly, this study only looks at office work, not work across all industries. Fine, but then present your sources on other industries and we can continue this discussion. Why? Thirdly, the study only attempts to measure work done, not work capacity. So how would you propose measuring capac…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 09:20 PM
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You don't need a study to recognise that men are much stronger than women and responsible for practically all of our advances in knowledge and technology. Maybe that's how you see things. And that's fine. But if you're on a debate sub, it's generally best to be able to support your arguments beyond just saying things that you think are true. Edit, here I'll start: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/10/women-are-more-productive-than-men-at-work-these-days I have provided a source. Now your turn.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 08:47 PM
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Common sense. Even "common sense" usually has at least a study or 2 to support it. Wanna link me to one so you can show everyone how full of shit i am? You don't need a study to recognise that men are much stronger than women and responsible for practically all of our advances in knowledge and technology. Fembots will only be necessary as sex aids. Good. Then people that need to rely on fembots don't need to pollute society with their bullshit. A win win.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 08:21 PM
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Women don't have the productive potential of men, so the answer is no. Source? Common sense. However, automation will be able to pick up any slack in many areas. Yes, i actually look forward to the days of fembots to automate dealing with pathetic, unmotivated people like this. Fembots will only be necessary as sex aids.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 08:01 PM
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Guys like nice places to live in and money in their pocket. Life long non dating bachelors tend to live in interesting places. North America was founded by men who did not work to provide for a family. Fur traders and explorers were not motivated by sex, they were motivated by freedom and adventure. No one said that men wouldn't want nice places to live and money in their pocket. It's a question of averages, degrees and necessity. All men with normal or high sex drives are motivated by sex to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 06:33 PM
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Why would no woman make a man less productive? Firstly, it's common sense, but there is also research which supports this fact. If men have fewer incentives to be more productive and fewer obligations to provide for others, it follows that in all likelihood they will be less productive, even if they are still productive. Wealth and status attract women, and more resources are needed if you have to provide for more than just yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 03:22 PM
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Can women fill the productive void left by men? Women don't have the productive potential of men, so the answer is no. However, automation will be able to pick up any slack in many areas. Also, there are other ways to incentivise men, such as establishing different economic rules that give them a much greater and fairer stake, than they currently have, in the wealth that their labour produces and safeguards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 02:42 PM
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So you have no justification for comparing all feminists to one feminist? Or any defense of why one incel does not represent all incels? Got it. It's not about one feminist. The tenets and tone of the feminist movement as a whole is anti-male and female supremacist in spirit. Has been since the Second Wave. The examples are too numerous to list. To deny it is to be blind or dishonest. Just as one of the milder examples, look at the way prominent feminists in the link below discuss men. If men sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 10:21 AM
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Bernie Sanders is getting rich doing what he does. That's a self interest. Don't be ridiculous. He has been advocating for human rights for over 50 years, and rejected the far more lucrative and common political career of advocating on behalf of powerful corporate interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 10:10 PM
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I disagree with the very premise that objective "good" and "bad" exist at all. Unless you happen to be deeply religious you must logically agree with that statement, as there can be no objective morality without belief in a higher power, because without a higher power in the mix you must accept any moral code is created by humans who are just as flawed as you or me and therefore have no authority to dictate objective "right" or "wrong." There are rational arguments for an objective morality that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 09:22 PM
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Anyone who pushes societal change is doing it for their own self interest. That's often the case but not always the case. There are many genuine humanitarians out there who want to change society to reduce suffering and help people. People like Bernie Sanders, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 08:56 PM
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Men have standards, just different standards to the ones that women have. I don't care about a woman's income at all. The most important standards are physical attractiveness, sexual desire and a nice personality. One can be more flexible in the other areas. Yes, a man can have whatever standards he wants, provided he is able to accept the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 08:01 PM
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Pursuing a degree in philosophy would train you in the application of logic, reasoning and argumentation, as well as cultivate an awareness and understanding of philosophical ideas that cover all aspects of human existence, far more rigorously than you could achieve on your own. Why would a degree teach this to me in a superior fashion to what I can learn on my own by directly reading the works of great philosophers myself? Because you would be guided, assessed and tested. You would be directed …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 07:14 PM
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Society is best off with men as slaves to the plantation, and men generally are happy in that role as well, assuming they are rewarded for it. I would not participate regardless, but my position as MGTOW is irrelevant to my ability to acknowledge this truth. Again, I don't agree with your premise that society is best off with men as slaves to the plantation or that men will be happier in that role than if they have the freedom to do what they want. Certainly, men are more exploitable and industr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 05:03 PM
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Somebody has never read about the rat utopia. I agree that most men will not quit working altogether, but they certainly will plateau much sooner. Just look at how closely wages are linked to fatherhood. Single childless men simply need less money to survive and even thrive. Yes, but rats are not human. Men can be inspired to action by abstract mental and physical pursuits, given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 04:01 PM
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Nietzsche basically says the exact same thing particularly in The Gay Science. And more to the point also points out how people will be quick to paint any changes as "evil" because they have become used to how things are, which looking at the replies is exactly what happened, colour me not at all surprised. “In every prevalent morality and religion: the reasons and purposes for habits are always lies that are added only after some people begin to attack these habits and to ask for reasons and pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 02:18 PM
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More marriage and higher population levels are not the definition of progress The more you stray from marriage and family, the less efficient and ambitious men are. Our social safety nets are entirely built on population growth. So yeah, they may not be "progress", but straying from them is the is the opposite of progress. I support men's liberation from the plantation. You, as a MGHOW, should too. I also disagree with your premise that straying from marriage and family is the opposite of progre…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 06:58 AM
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Of course. That's why, if you look at my initial response to you above, I made an exception for those who need a degree for their desired profession. Yes, and I disagreed with your premise that pursuing a degree is only useful if you need it for your desired profession. Where we disagree is that wasting time and money on knowledge for the sake of knowledge from a university is a valuable proposition. For example I have an interest in philosophy. What would a degree in it teach me that I couldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 09:53 PM
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Higher populations are not inherently a sign of a stable system, but falling populations are absolutely an indicator of collapse. No, falling populations could indicate any number of things, not necessarily collapse. California is the most liberal state in the union and it is perpetually broke and on fire. It relies on Federal subsidization to even stay afloat, and there are no answers in sight. No policy corrections, no path forward proposed. This is the new normal, better get used to it. Appar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 09:19 PM
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Thanks for being the realist here. My pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:17 PM
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Except we aren't progressing, we apply all these ultra liberal practices, and the result is less marriage, falling populations, crumbling infrastructure and infinity debt. More marriage and higher population levels are not the definition of progress. Crumbling infrastructure and high debt in a developed Western country is a consequence of the mismanagement of that society. A better distribution of resources and the avoidance of wasteful expense, such as unnecessary wars, could circumvent or rect…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:01 PM
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Sorry I can only upvote this once. Thanks for the upvote and endorsement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 02:45 PM
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The university itself was biased and the lectures were lacking. I learnt much more from experience than book learning. I even got a job in a top software company which will train me in coding to a professional level because they liked my passion and side projects, e.g. setting up servers off a Raspberry Pi, even though I am a dropout. Everything I know is self-taught. This is very common in IT btw even for people who do have degrees. They teach themselves new skills e.g. new programming language…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 11:39 AM
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Human civilization is constantly traversing uncharted territory and has to adapt as new circumstances present themselves. You can't go back. Neoliberal capitalism is not the end of history. The conventional ideas we have about productivity and the political economy will likely change and advance as we continue to advance in knowledge and technology. So, we may need to erect different structures and economic arrangements that tap into previously unexploited aspects of our human potential which in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 11:24 AM
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Sorry but I actually went to university and it was full of drunk idiots running around naked and broadcasting it on Facebook. You're romanticising it hugely. Of course, you can misuse your time at university and squander the opportunity, but that's a different issue. That's a question about personal lack of discipline. That's not the fault of the university. That's the fault of the student or a consequence of their disposition. If someone is not interested in learning at this level, then I agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 10:27 AM
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Porn has always been about the sexual high, it’s never been about interesting dialogue and good acting. Certainly not plausibility - I can’t tell you the last time I answered the door for a pizza delivery guy and he had to find a creative way to get some sausage on my pizza, lol I believe I already distinguished between what I consider to be a storyline and a scenario. I don't consider the pizza delivery scenario to be a storyline. Anyhow, porn isn’t just “point and shoot.” Compared to a major m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 10:46 PM
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Yes they are newer, but they're not categories. They're ways of shooting porn. Categories are things like BDSM, amateur, interracial, anal, mature, gangbang etc. Last I checked, they were still listed under categories on the major porn sites (but they’re not my taste, so I don’t go seeking them out, so I may have old news here). They’re niches, still not as common as traditional porn Maybe we mean different things. Most porn these days is just shot with one or two handheld digital cameras, some …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 10:09 PM
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I think the most popular porn amongst men is the point-and-shot or gonzo type porn. Context and scenarios are fine, but most men are not really interested in storylines. Those categories are decades newer than the “scenario” porn. And they’re still treated as categories, not general porn Yes they are newer, but they're not categories. They're ways of shooting porn. Categories are things like BDSM, amateur, interracial, anal, mature, gangbang etc. Also, I distinguish between scenario and storylin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 09:20 PM
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Because men are the majority of porn consumers, porn has always catered to the demands of the male porn consumer. If the average male porn watcher didn’t want context, there would be no story lines in porn I think the most popular porn amongst men is the point-and-shot or gonzo type porn. Context and scenarios are fine, but most men are not really interested in storylines. Obviously, pornographers are going to try and mix it up when it comes to setting, but it's really the way in which the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 08:34 PM
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You can obtain knowledge without paying a likely biased university obscene amounts of money for it. It's 2019. We're in the "information age." Everything you can ever want to know is in the palm of your hand. Only go to university if you need a degree to get the job you want. Otherwise it is a total waste of money. I agree that the cost of college is too high. Certainly, more should be done to reduce the cost or eliminate it altogether. However, that does not invalidate the usefulness of the col…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 03:31 PM
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I can get knowledge through books and the internet. College is vocational training and a way to get a piece of paper to get promoted and check the box. You can get knowledge through books and the internet, but college is a far more immersive and rigorous experience in that regard. It's not only about reading books and looking at the internet. It's also about the environment you are in, the different people and ideas you encounter, the conversations you have, the pressure you face, the cultivatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 02:48 PM
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You know you best. Live the way you want to live, rather than the way society tells you to. Too many people are sheep and don't really think through their life choices, then end up stuck in a situation they are not suited for. Just because everyone else is doing something, it doesn't mean you have to. Society is designed to control behaviour, via social pressure and other restrictive mechanisms, not liberate it, so do not feel obliged to conform. Go back to first principles and rationally think …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 08:37 AM
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People are more likely to date people they have something in common with, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that Washington DC is less fertile ground for conservatives, given that it is a Democratic constituency. I imagine that left-leaning individuals would encounter the same problem in Alabama. I myself wouldn't seriously date a conservative, right-leaning, Republican or Trump supporting woman, even though I have a RP perspective. Equally, I imagine that most right-wing men would not be interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 08:59 PM
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I don't really think fairness comes into it. Women want what they want and will justify it or try to get it, irrespective of whether it is fair or not to men. The more men give them and fail to question what women think they are entitled to, the more emboldened and vindicated women will feel about their demands. That's human nature. Men should not expect women to be fair, that's RP 101. To achieve greater fairness, men have to assert their own interests and stop placating women or capitulating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 07:43 PM
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I like variety in porn, so there is no singular formula that determines a good porn video. However, generally, the women should be physically attractive, the camera work should capture the most arousing camera angles, there should be penetrative sex and there shouldn't be any condoms in the scenes. I tend to prefer scenes with less artistic intervention, so no music, no dreamy camera effects, no scripted dialogue and as little editing as possible. I'm there for the sex, not the art. The art just…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 01:49 PM
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I said hierarchy of choice rather than trying to tally up the positives and negatives of each role. Its demonstrated by the order that voting was made avaliable. First toffs, then men, then women. They had the least choice in their role - not that men always had a lot but women had the least. Yes, but you are misleadingly using hierarchy to indicate women's value in society, especially when you suggest that they were only one place above slaves. Women were not part of the hierarchal structure in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 11:43 AM
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Of course not. The sub would be deleted in an instant if the admins were ever given an excuse. The closest things to calls for death are in threads discussing psychopaths who killed their children. "She deserves a bullet in the head" kind of stuff that you see on those topics regardless of gender and regardless of the sub it is posted on. As I suspected.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 03:16 AM
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This is because in the heriarchy of choice women were below men. While periods of history some have enjoyed perks of things like not being the warring sex, they held the least power and freedom and second only to slaves. For much of this time women could not hold lands or wealth which ultimately means a lack of choice over personal circumstances. For some periods they were literally the property of men. Women were not below men. They had a different role to men. What feminists identify as power,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 11:22 PM
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Well, I disagree with feminism's distorted and simplistic characterisation of history as a gender war in which men oppressed women. Men did more to protect women than to harm them. Moreover, they were largely as inculpably ignorant and powerless as women, adopting the expected role human evolution and historical development had assigned them, out of necessity. Men were not and are not omniscient or omnipotent. They don't have the capacity to unilaterally control the course of history, have an un…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:56 PM
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Is "Homosexual men should not teach children because they are predatory and a danger to children" hate speech / incitement to violence? I don't believe in or agree with the concept of hate speech. Moreover, I think that the idea is too nebulous to have any sensible moral credibility. One person's perception of hatred is another person's idea of criticism. Germaine Greer has been accused of hate speech simply because she questions the idea that trans women should be considered actual women. In an…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:49 PM
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Nonsense. Men have higher suicide rates in almost all countries, even anti-feminist ones and that's because men choose more deadly suicide methods. We have seen an exponential increase in suicides amongst men in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:33 PM
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historically was the point i was making Yes, I mean historically as well. We tend to ignore the historical suffering of men and the historical privilege of women. also ... the roles (arguably) evolved due to biological differences are the systemic oppression. just because something naturally evolved that way doesn't mean it is unbalanced / unfair. Yes, but first we have to establish that there is overall unbalance or unfairness that favours men over women, without ignoring where women are favour…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:29 PM
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False equivalent. Feminists don't go around murdering men. Misogynistic men DO go around murdering women. This is why the hate speech of feminists is not a threat, while the hate speech of MGTOW is a threat. Feminists do kill men. The narrative they have fabricated around men and the assault on men by institutions lobbied by feminists are a key factor in the unjustified punishment, ostracization and alienation of men, that has seen a rise in their suicide rate, currently 4-5 times higher than fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:00 PM
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They have had threads discussing the murder of women. Can you link me to one?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 07:55 PM
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1st/2nd wave feminism did the same on male complicity. It’s literally just two sides of the same coin. No, you were saying that MGTOW and feminism are on the same page and should not be enemies. I was saying they are not on the same page. There has never been a society in which men and women were not equally complicit in the development of that society. Feminists came out and said, no, men are solely responsible for everything wrong with society. MGTOW does not say women are solely responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 07:52 PM
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A lot of people fail to realize that MGTOW is basically the same as feminism. They are not the same, as in on the same side, because MGTOW calls out female complicity in men's adversity and the misandry of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 07:34 PM
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Well... free speech has limits. You can't publicly call out to assault people for example. Requesting violence is prohibited in a lot of countries. I'd ban calling out to violate human rights I guess. Yes, but inciting violence is different from expressing disagreement with a particular human right. So presumably, you would ban disagreement with things like abortion rights, the right to free speech, the right to property or any other right that makes it into human rights legislation? What about …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 07:20 PM
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If it's a request to revoke women's voting rights then yes, I would ban that. If it's general discussion then no. What's the difference? Wouldn't a discussion about whether women should have the right to vote involve people who think they shouldn't? What would a request look like; just saying that women should not have the right to vote, campaigning for it, writing legislation for it...? What would be a proportionate penalty in your mind? Incidentally, I think that women should have the right to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 06:50 PM
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the more reasonable argument is that historically being a woman / minority group / whatever else .... has been viewed by "mainstream society" as lesser. therefore organising the display of 'pride' is a good thing. Being white/male/cis has never been viewed as "lesser" and is a position of "privilege" (let's not go down that rabbit hole) .... and by coincidence many hetero-pride / white-pride / male-pride events seem to be almost wholly populated by (fairly undesirable) reactionaries. I don't thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 06:38 PM
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They are negotiable... but currently they say no gender discrimination. But ofc... I have my own version of human rights I'm valueing. Official HR just happen to be mostly in line with those. So you would ban discussion about discriminating based on gender or about gender differences?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 06:22 PM
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LOL yes any thing suggesting a man might be happy MUST be bullshit. No, just lies and misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 06:18 PM
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the thing about enciting violence that many miss, is that the declaration of X as a threat is enciting violence (there is no need for actual 'call for violence') By that standard, any criticism of a group or identification of a perceived threat from a group is inciting violence. That's ridiculous. It's this type of loose application of words and meaning which is threatening our freedom of speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 06:16 PM
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I ban anything that violates human rights, yes. Human rights are neither objective nor immutable. Like anything, they are negotiable. To clarify, are you saying that you would ban any discussion that contests certain human rights? If the answer is yes, how do you reconcile that with the human right of free speech?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 05:58 PM
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Men are happier in marriage than women and women initiate the most divorces lmao No they're not. That's the bullshit propaganda the social sciences try to tell men to fool them into marriage, despite their better judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 05:32 PM
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What constitutes hate is subjective. Feminists seem to think that any criticism of women is hate, but like to ignore the rife hatred towards men emanating from their own philosophy. Criticism is not hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 05:22 PM
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Never underestimate female solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 07:01 AM
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The root of the problem is men and women's biological differences and different, biological, sexual imperatives. of course, but that is like saying the root of problems is gravity. Biological differences are largely unchangeable. But our strategy to deal with them is. Open relationships diffuse the problem altogether, because the incompatibility of sexual strategies are no longer at odds with one another. It's the different biological proclivities between men and women which makes compatibility …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 08:46 PM
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If you are having incredible sex, that is going to trump mediocre sex whatever the circumstances, all other things being equal. On the other hand, this could all depend on what qualifies as mediocre or incredible sex. You can also have too much of a good thing, so sometimes a more diverse but modest experience might be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 06:08 PM
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nice catch, I was wondering if anybody will spot Rand in there :) As we seem to agree on the rest, why do you disagree with that particular concept? In this context. To clarify, we don't necessarily agree on the rest. I just couldn't be bothered to dissect each and every one of your arguments. What we do agree on is just the general idea that monogamy is a key factor in relational problems between men and women. I wouldn't even argue that it is the root of the problem. The root of the problem is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 05:55 PM
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nice catch, I was wondering if anybody will spot Rand in there :) As we seem to agree on the rest, why do you disagree with that particular concept? In this context. I subscribe more to a Golden Rule conception of morality, embodied in ideas like Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative or John Rawls' A Theory of Justice and the veil of ignorance. These are rationally superior conceptions of morality by far superior intellects. I particularly like the eloquence of Kant's short summation of this id…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 02:55 PM
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I don't subscribe to your Ayn Randian conception of morality or necessarily agree with every argument you present here, but I do agree with the general idea that monogamy is flawed and a key factor in most problems between men and women when it comes to relationships. It represses men's natural sexuality and optimal mating strategy, whilst placating women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/19 09:24 AM
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You can't spin plates with a beautiful, virginal, unicorn. She wouldn't be virginal or a unicorn if you could. That girl probably will get marriage or long-term commitment if she wants it. A man who does not want marriage or long-term commitment does not care about N-count and will happily fuck "sluts". A man who does want those things can marry the unicorn. If no such unicorns exist, he can either make do with what is available or not marry at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 11:33 AM
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What would happen? Probably something similar to what is happening in Japan right now with the Hebivore men and the declining birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 10:25 AM
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First of all, don't give unsolicited advice. That's one of the worst things you could do. If he wants your advice, he will ask for it. The best way you can emotionally support him is just to be affectionate towards him and satisfy him sexually. It's not complicated. That will provide all the motivation and inspiration he needs to figure out a solution or seek advice if he wants it. In addition to this, giving him the space to reflect on his own and in his own time will also be very helpful. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/19 10:01 AM
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I hear you. I understand and respect what you’re saying. At the same time, I’m thinking about the survival rate of the 6+ children people have in Africa, versus the 1.4 children people have in the United States. How does their progress compound over time and generations? How likely is each generation to continue to survive? That's an issue of economic development, not optimal mating strategies. All things being equal, the person who has more children is going to spread their genes furthest. Inci…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 02:28 PM
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Well, then, there are only 24 hours in a day ... and only so much time each child can receive ... so ... If it is a biological instinct to take care of our children ... at some point we do approach a natural limit. Yes, but the natural limit for men is exponentially higher than it is for women, as men can impregnate multiple women concurrently and delegate resources to the rearing of any offspring. Understand, I'm not saying that men should do this. I'm simply dispassionately saying that men hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 12:53 PM
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Biologically, we must have no concept of child support lol There is a biological instinct to care for children, but not necessarily in the context of a nuclear family or lifelong monogamous relationship. Those are social constructs we use to keep order in society, as I mentioned earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 10:01 AM
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I don’t necessarily agree with that. Society is increasingly competitive. If a man can devote $1,000,000 to one (1) child, that child has a MUCH better chance of thriving in society than that man devoting $100,000 to ten (10) children. It’s not enough to merely survive within human society. Merely surviving means those children’s genes will die off in two (2) generations the latest. In order to carry on and be a going concern, children need to thrive. In order to thrive, attention and resources …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 03:18 AM
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Okay. But even so. Is it not in a man’s biological self-interest to survive (genetically speaking) by ensuring the survival of his child(ren)? He compromises that the more children he has, because his resources are divided among more (lessening the chances of all of them thriving in an increasingly competitive society). It’s in his interest to focus his resources on 1-2 children, at most, and ideally, with their biological mother. This has to factor into biological motivations. Biological instin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/19 01:43 AM
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If I understand what you’re saying, it sounds like you mean ... young men (15-22), “secretly” being MGTOW (like Spanish Inquisition style), but somehow “externally pretending” to be all about sex and “pop” “bro” culture? No, young men are the same as young men have always been, preoccupied with sex. That's just part of their biology. That's not going to change. It's that which compels them to pursue women. My main point was that incentives and external restrictions will largely determine the str…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 11:16 PM
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Men and women have competing optimal mating strategies, in addition to primarily being self-interested, so in the distribution of pairings, there is almost always eventually going to be a fair bit of incompatibility and a natural reluctance to acquiesce to the incompatible desires of the other side. How this is resolved will depend on each couple. At the moment, the social model for couples in the West has a gynocentric emphasis, backed by our most established institutions and messengers, the go…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 10:09 PM
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I imagine that facial beauty is just another indicator of good health and/or good quality genes. It's all a question of degree and what is a little bit closer to perfection. Obviously, you can get a healthy person who is less beautiful than another healthy person, but the more beautiful person may be marginally healthier or have better genes in some way that is unknown to us. I suspect there is a lot of research on this which provides answers or plausible speculation, of a quality that is better…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 08:12 PM
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yeh, i was being glib lol I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:59 PM
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Are you in UK? They dont have a written constitution and can say whatever they want are "fundamental rights". They can create a fundamental right to cheese Not quite. You're right that the UK does not have a written constitution, but there are written rights, they are just not located in one document, like a constitution. They are all over the place. That's why the UK constitution is considered unwritten. On this matter, the relevant rights come from the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the Euro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 01:51 PM
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It's the correct decision. No one should be authorised to remove a person's right to pursue legal activities, without it being part of the statutory punishment of a previous criminal conviction, just because they don't believe they think correctly. Imagine feminists and the institutions they influence having that authority. Recently, the American Psychological Association deemed traditional masculinity toxic and a psychological impairment. The social sciences generally are heavily influenced by …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/19 12:38 PM
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No problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 03:36 PM
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Right, but female careers won't be seen as effeminate. "Effeminate" behavior's definition will change with the change in society. Men now wear pink where this was looked as "gay" in previous generations. More men are nurses and it is acceptable. Stay at home men is slowly getting to be more and more acceptable. Being a good father and being involved in the children's lives has seen a change. Before, men weren't expected to participate in child rearing, but now we see that it is vital to the chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 02:47 PM
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There is no objective best strategy. It all depends on what the man wants. I would advise any man to retain as much freedom and autonomy as possible, setting their life up so that they can do the things they want to do and not do the things they don't want to do. Of course, we all have to compromise with the world, but I would encourage any man to minimise those compromises, in as far as is possible and in a manner that does the least damage to their freedom and optimal happiness. I think a life…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 02:34 PM
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defnitely. Though I expect that basic transhumanism will happen in less than 150 years. Also, innate sex differences do not need to be abolished for a change to occur, all it needs is for them to become irrelevant. Wow, you're really optimistic. I don't have as much faith in the pace of human technological advancement. I think transhumanism, as a norm, will take a lot longer than 150 years, if it is even possible at all. I think we sometimes have a tendency to overestimate how advanced we will b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 01:19 PM
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Can't back up your point again? Whilst I like to humour trolls from time to time, you used up your trolling privileges in our previous discussion. I much prefer to engage in good faith, substantive discussion with reasonably discerning people. I'm afraid to say, you don't qualify.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 12:37 PM
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I think that progress of technology will in the end dismantle most ender roles. Not immeidatley, but in a few centuries we will have things like: lifelike sexbots artificial wombs to grow babies in domestic robots and intelligent houses that do not need maintenance VR pornography and romantic environment will partially replace biological interaction. Combine those options, and gender roles will simply cease to make sense, it would be a chore to still support them for no good reason. Yes, you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 12:30 PM
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How is your logic better than womens though? You again. You following me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 11:04 AM
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Things are different from when you and I were young. They’ll be different again when we’re old. Men will evolve or become redundant. Men will evolve but not necessarily towards gynocentricism. As we are seeing with the growing manosphere, they may become even more androcentric and create lives that are freer of female control.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 11:02 AM
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They are, but slowly. We can all help by not shaming boys and men for making non-traditional choices. The effeminate boy will never be the norm. Like gay people, they will always be in the minority. Most women will also be most attracted to masculine men. These things are not going to change ever, let alone in the lifetime of anyone currently alive, nor would such a change be better than the current distribution. However, I agree that we should not shame boys or men for making non-traditional ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 10:47 AM
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Yeah, I don't agree with banning it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 10:31 AM
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The argument isn't that men have perfect logic, just logic that is generally better than women's. It's all relative. From a given man's point of view, it may be perfectly logical to spend money at a strip club or on a woman half his age who looks pretty and fucks him. It's all just another form of either entertainment or sensory experience. No one is going to spend all of their life staring at a wall. They want to enjoy themselves. Men are not women, so many of the things they appreciate and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 11:32 PM
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Men and women are biologically different, have different strengths and express different preferences, so I suspect that whilst there has been and will continue to be modernization in gender roles, both sexes will tend to predominate in their strengths and according to their preferences, to one degree or another, provided they have the space and freedom to do that. I don't think that differences in duties amongst the general population of men and women will ever be entirely eliminated, short of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 11:03 PM
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Apparently, the ban notification TRP received was a mistake on the part of Reddit. TRP received a follow-up message from Reddit apologizing for the mistake and saying that it was just their intention to alert TRP to the updated Reddit policy, so that they could make sure that they were compliant with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 10:45 PM
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So they're not anymore? I'm talking about our discussion here. It was fun, but now it's time for me to go, so you can have the last word. Have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:19 PM
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What retorts? I'm genuinely trying to help teach you. But in order to do that you need to know the actual definitions of words first. So, to the dictionary we go. It was amusing while it lasted. You can have the last word. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:16 PM
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Oh so now experiences aren't facts? It was amusing while it lasted. You can have the last word. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:16 PM
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According to you that's not how it works though. It was amusing while it lasted. You can have the last word. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:16 PM
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Wouldn't I though? I've been providing you so many and you're just ignoring them. Oh! That's the disconnect - you don't actually understand what a fact is. It was amusing while it lasted. You can have the last word. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:15 PM
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I have figured it out though, which is why I've been able to explain it to you. I know you're still having trouble understanding what the words you've been using mean though. So, step one, pull up merriam webster! Your retorts are pretty lame. Not the greatest wit, I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:12 PM
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I know I've been told that I have saint like empathy and patience. I'm happy you're feeling it. Delusions of grandeur too. Well, the profile fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:11 PM
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But my perception is that I am so that makes it fact I think I'll defer to my own better judgement on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:08 PM
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Maybe in your opinion but factually you haven't. You wouldn't know a fact if it bit you on the ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:07 PM
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What?! No I can definitely help you understand why what you're saying isn't making sense don't worry! I meant in you figuring this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:05 PM
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You're not though. It's sad when someone is so confused that they don't realize they're contradicting themselves :( like I said though we'll get you there I'm not gonna give up on you don't worry! You would say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:04 PM
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How so? Don't worry about it. I don't think you're up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:03 PM
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No, you haven't. Oh yes I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:00 PM
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Well you keep saying contradicting things so you definitely haven't succeeded. It's okay we'll figure this out together though Unfortunately, I don't have the same confidence in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 05:00 PM
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Is that why you pretend they don't exist? That's you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:59 PM
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You don't get it then? I guess when you've clung to a delusion for so long it's hard to understand reality. It's okay we'll get you there! I'm already there. You're the one having difficulty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:57 PM
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You haven't though. As I said your reasoning is "this thing is fact because I think so" Yes I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:56 PM
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You may have known but you definitely didn't succeed in saying it I did, but I can only do so much when dealing with someone as challenged as yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:55 PM
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Facts. But I know YOJ said you don't like those so I understand why you pretend they don't exist. Facts are a necessary but insufficient tool in our ability to comprehend the world, especially when they are incomplete or inaccessible to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:54 PM
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In your subjective reality then. You finally get it! Wrong again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:47 PM
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I improved it to reflect what you were trying to say. It's okay, I know that you guys have issues with expressing yourselves so it's not easy for you to be clear. I know what I was trying to say and I succeeded in saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:45 PM
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Awww thanks :) No, problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:44 PM
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I mean you keep insisting you're right and can't provide anything more than "bEcAuSe I sAiD sO" so I think at this point it's more that you're not able to and the standard male inability to deal with logic and need to be right is driving you forward. I've provided more than enough logic for you. It's not my fault you cannot compute it. Also, you keep going back and forth between perception and fact. You seem to have trouble understanding the difference. Maybe read up on the two and then we can c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:44 PM
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Your perception of reality you mean. What else do any of us have?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:40 PM
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So your perception of women speaking more isn't necessarily true. Not necessarily true. Just true, in my humble opinion of course, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:39 PM
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You're trying to say that the perception of some men is fact. Are you so delusional that you don't understand your own statements? You're funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:37 PM
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Improve it to what? That you think that just because something is your opinion that makes it fact? Improve it to reflect what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:36 PM
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What more? Reality. In truth. The picture is more complex than men are privileged over women. Women are also privileged over men in many respects. It's hard to calculate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:32 PM
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Perception and reality aren't always direct correlations. No, not always. So?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:32 PM
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Keep clinging to your delusions then if that makes you feel better Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:31 PM
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You have no proof that your perception is credible though I don't need to provide proof to you. Occam's razor and basic common sense would suggest that the shortest path towards credibility about men's perception of their experiences with women is to ask men about their experiences with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:30 PM
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The reality of it makes it a fact. But other than the claim that it's the perception of men you have nothing to back this up. What, but observation do we have to back up anything? You're saying that perception = reality and that makes it a fact, so means that since I and other women perceive men speak more, that makes it reality, which makes it a fact. No, I'm saying that perception can faciliate our understanding of reality. It does not automatically reflect reality. It all depends on the quali…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:26 PM
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Is that also your perception That and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:19 PM
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See? You say "reality" here, when you later go on to say that it's just your perception of the situation. Yes, so?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:18 PM
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It's the common PERCEPTION of most men. Fixed it for you! I'll stick with the original.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:17 PM
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The simple fact is that you and some other men perceive this. There, I helped you fix your statement to say what you actually meant to say :) Well, you need to improve your fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:16 PM
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What science are you quoting? Is it that some worthless science you mentioned later on? I only referred to science to contradict your claim that science had proven women speaking more was false. My views on this matter are not based on what the lame field of social science has to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:14 PM
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No, you stated many times that women speak more than men and cited your perception of experiences as proof. Yes, but perception does not always act as proof. It has to be credible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:10 PM
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Okay so you admit that it's a fact that you think women speak more but it is not a fact that they do. Happy we reached a conclusion! No, the fact that women speak more is a fact, as far as men can tell, but their perception of women speaking more does not make it a fact. The reality of it makes it a fact. The reality of how men experience this is also a fact, but a different fact. Our best measure of reality depends on our ability to observe the world, but there is always the possibility that we…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 04:06 PM
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Perception is fact according to you. Why does that work for men and not for women? No, perception is fact according to your interpretation of what you think I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:44 PM
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But you have to because according to you perception is fact and this is my perception. I don't have to do anything. No, perception is not fact. Perception of one's perception is fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:42 PM
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My perspective and the perspective of a lot of others. Men are best placed to know men's perspective, so what they say their perspective is, is fact. Women do not and cannot know men's perspective. According to you what is perceived is fact though, and since I perceive that men speak more but somehow say less, that makes it true. That's not what that sentence says. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:40 PM
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It's not just what I believe though, it's fact that men speak more because that's what I percieve! Okay, if you say so. I won't take your word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:38 PM
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More proof that men speak more yet somehow say less. Very interesting wouldn't you agree? Neither true nor interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:37 PM
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Sure your perspective and the perspective of other men is fact, let's go with that. It's my perspective and the perspective of many other women that men speak more. And since we're best placed to know our perspective, what we say it is, is fact. If that's what you believe, that's what you believe. I'm not going to try and change your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:36 PM
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At least you're admitting your delusion now. Progress! Cool story bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:32 PM
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Your perspective and the perspective of some others, which is proven to be biased and that you're trying to pass off as fact. My perspective and the perspective of a lot of others. Men are best placed to know men's perspective, so what they say their perspective is, is fact. Women do not and cannot know men's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:30 PM
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Tell me more about how you're not delusional by the way. "Since the time a few of those studies were conducted, other surveys have showed that men and women do speak about the same amount — roughly 16,000 words per day. " Like I said, much of social science is worthless and is often heavily politicised when it comes to matters of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:27 PM
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Ah so you havent proven anything either then. So where is your evidence that women speak more than men? But you apparently are, since you think women speak more but can't back it up with anything better than an "because I said so". As I've already said, I'm not here to prove anything to you. I'm simply sharing a male perspective. No one goes around trying to prove beyond anyone's doubt every view that they hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:22 PM
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I know I haven't proven the claims are false, the studies I provided have though. That's the point of science! No, those studies argue a different point of view. They don't prove anything, social science rarely does, particularly now that it has become increasingly politicised. Men are better placed to know how they experience the world unless, like you case, they're delusional, or, as these studies show, are biased to the point that it changes their perception of reality. Well, it's a good thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 03:16 PM
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You do though because the link you provided makes false claims. I guess you can keep citing it though if you want to cling to your delusions that much. Whatever gets you through the day I guess. You haven't proven that the claims are false. You've just proven that they're disputed. In any case, social science has a poor track record of getting things wrong. Its acute limitations make it a very unreliable way of trying to understand the world, at best, and worthless, at worst. Many a poorly condu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:56 PM
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Oof do better "This is false but quite pervasive in popular culture. Many books and magazine articles have popularized the idea that women speak approximately 20,000 words per day, as compared to men, who manage to utter a mere 7,000. This claim has seeped into common consciousness but is not backed by any evidence. The truth is that American English speakers of all genders use an average of around 16,000 words per day." http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003420.html I don't nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:34 PM
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I know you think you pay attention to reality, but you don't and your delusions are upsetting you so let's address them! What some men say, and again, your delusions are obviously skewing your perceptions of reality. Science doesn't, but at least now we're establishing how deeply your delusions go! You're wrong, as usual. Science Explains Why Women Talk More Than Men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:16 PM
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I do pay attention to reality though, why do you think that your experiences are everyone else's reality? I know you think you pay attention to reality, but that's an entirely different matter. It's not about my experiences. It's about what men are saying and confirming about their experiences. Delusions do play a part in your understanding of the world though because by your own admission you think women speak more when science has proven that overall this is false and mens delusions directly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 02:06 PM
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What do you mean? Pay attention to reality. I was responding to your claim that facts tend to comfort you, when I said that it wouldn't appear so. I wasn't responding to your question about whether delusions make me feel better. Delusions play no part in my understanding of the world and have no bearing on how I feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:55 PM
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I'm sorry. Maybe pay more attention to reality then :) Perhaps you should take your own advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:43 PM
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Yes facts tend to comfort me. Do delusions make you feel better? It wouldn't appear so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:40 PM
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You're giving me your perspective and are somehow confusing your experiences and delusions as indicative of all women and the majority of men. Your argument is the equivalent of "I've never been hungry so starvation isn't real." By your own admission you're surrounded by people who speak a lot and need affirmation. Change your social group and you won't have this problem. Keep telling yourself that, if it makes you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:30 PM
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The experience of a few doesn't change facts though. Do you have anything to actually prove this is the case the majority of the time? If there's so much evidence then where is it? It seems like you may be confused and think your opinion is evidence - it's not. Is that a fact though? Again, your opinion isn't evidence and doesn't change reality. I don't need to prove it to you. I'm just giving you an honest male perspective, as opposed to the lies men tell you in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:19 PM
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You say the common experience for most men but do you actually have anything othet than personal experience to back this assertion up? Yes, the experience of other men. You say I'm in denial and delusional yet you cant provide any actual evidence to back up your claim. I don't have to provide evidence for you, even though there is plenty. This is common knowledge amongst men. The simple fact is that women are high maintenance, materially and psychologically. You can disagree, but that doesn't ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 01:06 PM
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Common experience of some men, can you prove that the majority of women are this way though? Maybe, like you, these men keep finding women who need lots of interaction and affirmation because they need it as well. As I said, you may want to find more compatible partners since the ones you've been with seem to annoy you. No, it's the common experience for most men. It's rather conspicuous that practically every man in the comment section of those videos I posted affirms this experience. Of course…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 12:42 PM
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Anecdotal evidence then. Seems like you just hangout with women who need a lot of interaction and affirmation. Do you hangout with women like this because you need lots of interaction and affirmation as well? This is the common experience of men, as is evident from the response of the male audience members and men in the comment section of the Patrice O'Neal and Chris Rock videos I posted that you first responded to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 12:02 PM
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You can't have peace and quiet with women. It's in their nature to require attention, Yes you can, and no, it's not. Where are you getting this? Experience and observation. In short, reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/19 11:52 AM
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If you need peace and quiet to be happy why not date someone who's the same? Its seems like you've been seeking out incompatible partners. You can't have peace and quiet with women. It's in their nature to require attention, made worse by their modern, entitled, romantic expectations. That's one of the many prices men have to pay for sex, in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 01:50 PM
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Both of those perspectives are just gross. Either you want sex, because sex, or you want a relationship, because relationship, or both. This shit is why I thought guys were all assholes. I never behaved like I wanted a relationship, I was quite sexually forward as a teen and behaved as if I wanted sex. But guys still felt the need to act like they were "in" to me. Like they couldn't get laid if they didn't do some fucking weird mating dance of lies. Then, of course, they'd not call, after I'd st…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/19 07:46 AM
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Also, are you saying that all men are completely distraught over there position in society? I'm calling bullshit. No, I'm saying that men in the West are not objectively privileged over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 11:35 PM
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And, some women seek exclusively professional and/or political careers? So it seems, once again, you've over generalized. Yes they do, but women who have this preference are significantly outnumbered by men who share the same preference or who are prepared to put in the hours, so it's a question of maths.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 10:47 PM
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You cannot preach humanism and individualism while in the same day say that all women are incapable of understanding men despite most men understanding women. It seems you want appreciation only for men's individuality. You asked me about a societal solution, so I suggested one. I did also caveat it by acknowledging that everyone currently alive would probably have to be long dead before this possibility presented itself. I didn't say that all women are incapable of understanding men. I said tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 10:31 PM
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Please, explain to me, what solution you would propose for the gender clash in our society? Humanism. Get rid of identity politics and recognize the complexity of everyone's flawed humanity, and the unique challenges that everyone faces, irrespective of gender. Base solutions on dispassionate reason and human welfare. However, this is likely only going to be possible long after the current generations have died and taken their baggage with them, given how entrenched the various camps are in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 09:27 PM
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You claim you have insight into women's perspective, and yet you deny that women also have fears and feel attacked and trapped inside their gender roles. I never said any such thing and this only applies to some women, as in a minority of women who identify as feminists. I understand that both genders have struggles, and I'm saying that both are valid, and both are being tended to by activists. Feminists do not represent most women because most women do not share the goals or views of the femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 07:37 PM
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These statements aren't quantifiable, they are wholly based on where you align yourself, as I said. From my standpoint, men who hate are much more common than radical feminists, but that is simply based on the news and political media I consume. If the numbers of feminists and men who hate women are not equal, then, at the very least, the numbers are MUCH closer than they appear to most people. Most people are only involved in these gender debates don't believe in the fringe views that are most …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 06:44 PM
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"Rapists are bad?" Ironically saying men are trash? And to think, people accuse feminists of having no sense of humor. For every radical feminist, there is a radical women hater who objects to women's right to vote. We just hear about the ones we dislike more because of algorithms used by social media apps. I'm not just talking about radical feminists. Mainstream feminism too promotes negative propaganda about men. Both mainstream and radical feminism also occupy a prominent place in mainstream …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:43 PM
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What examples of anti-Male propaganda can you share? Just look at all the feminist and feminist inspired commentary on men. It's all over the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:19 PM
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Perhaps a minority of feminists would object to that, but women as a whole, many of whom are not only non-femimists but anti-feminist, do not willfully ignore reality. From my observation they do, if they don't like the conclusion. Your talking in absolutes, and as soon as I say that that's harmful, you either make excuses or play with whataboutisms. I'm not talking in absolutes. Generalizations are not absolutes. Generalizing is an important tool for our understanding of the world. Furthermore,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:16 PM
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"Experiments 2 and 3 found pro-female bias to the extent that participants automatically favored their mothers over their fathers or associated male gender with violence, suggesting that maternal bonding and male intimidation influence gender attitudes" So women prefer women because of men's intimidating tendencies and strong relationships with their mothers? Forgive me, but that seems fair. All 4 experiments showed an absence of in-group bias amongst men, demonstrating men's capacity to not aut…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 05:04 PM
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I never said that only problems for women arise from general statements. Phrases like "all men are rapists" and "only women can be raped" are problematic for men Yes, because they are factually wrong. All men are clearly not rapists and men can clearly be raped. Ironically, despite their best efforts not to, feminism lobbying to increase the scope of what constitutes rape or sexual assault has enabled more men to include themselves as victims of these acts, at the hands of both women and men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 04:42 PM
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Also, can you give more information on this research that supports your claim that women are more gender biased then men? Because there are also studies performed that show men are more shallow when it comes to whom they find attractive, usually basing it solely on age, where women find men who are roughly the same age as them to be the most attractive. I posted a link to the research. Also, the research is not about attraction. It's about the extent to which the gender of the sexes creates a bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 04:31 PM
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"It seems" and "it appears"? Interesting. I hope you are tolerant of feminists when they make bold and biased claims. Bold clams, yes, provided they are rational. Biased claims, no. Bias has no place in matters of knowledge. Also, are you suggesting that the male side of relationships isn't well known be women? Yes, I'm suggesting that. Perhaps a select few women, but, as you would hate if someone accused all men of being rapists, I think it's unfair to judge all women so harshly. Not a select f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 04:27 PM
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Are you saying that you understand the female experience? Certainly exponentially more than women seem to understand the male experience. Aside from men having the female experience rammed down their throats 24/7, men generally tend to have more sympathy for women than women have for men. It would also appear that men have a greater capacity to consider the merits of rational arguments without their personal investment in the answer clouding their ability to recognise the validity of the argumen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 03:07 PM
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And that's how women reap what they sowed. It's not that she's reached her "last fuckable day". There are still men who would date and enter a LTR with her. But they are men she finds viscerally disgusting. She wants the top-dog, top-shelf alpha man. And he has options, lots of options, better options that have less baggage, who bitch and moan less. She's married. She's just talking about male attention. Women's egos are such that they want attention, whether they are in a relationship or not. R…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/19 02:32 PM
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if they are attracted to him That's the catch-22 right there. All of this talk is about UNWANTED attention, but how is a man to know if his interest is unwanted without asking? Thanks to female sexual liberation, you can't even complain about men being crass or upfront about their desire for sex, or else you expose the double standard. Slut shaming is bad, yet it's fine to call men pigs. It's fine for women to have sex with whoever they want, but men still have to go through the pomp and fanfare…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 08:56 PM
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That sounds like a good deal for you, but I'd rather not dress like Angela Merkel just for men's convenience. It's not for men's convenience. It's for the convenience of the women complaining about being approached. Men are going to approach women, so it's up to the women who don't want to be approached to make it known that they don't want to be approached. How do you feel about a compromise where you get to hit on random women in a club or other such places where people supposedly come looking…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:54 PM
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Some young women might be unattractive to you specifically, but I promise you all of them get perved on by older men. No they don't. Isn't women complaining the same as "women communicating their disinterest"? I referred to a woman communicating her disinterest, not women. One is not dealing with women in general when one approaches a woman in particular nor can women generally speak for that woman. Some women love male attention and some don't. Furthermore, only some women are complaining, typi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:11 PM
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Lol Angela Merkel, really? The most attractive feature in a woman is youth. The whole make-up industry exists to make a woman appear young and fertile (healthy) and accentuate those features. If you're a young woman you're basically always somewhat attractive to men unless you make an effort. You don't need to be young to be attractive and you are not necessarily attractive if you are young. There are plenty of unattractive young women and attractive older women out there. Moreover, women don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:53 PM
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That's what a lot of women feel they want. To stop getting so much attention. And when they do, they long for the days when they used to get it. Women hate "the patriarchy" so much but they still put the burden of selection on men, more specifically on ugly men to estimate how much they creep women out and self-select out of those women's lives based on that. And they also rely on men to enforce this unwritten rule. Yep, but of course, their hypocrisy is lost on them. Here is one lamenting this …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 04:27 PM
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A lot of women do make a lot of choices in their daily lives to avoid the attention. I don't know where you get the idea that they don't? Let us not pretend that's the norm. Most women wear make-up, perfume, get their hair done and dress to impress. The entire, billion dollar, beauty and fashion industry is driven by women. It's not as if women just wash, comb their hair, throw on their clothes and go out. They invest a lot of time into looking as attractive as possible and are not averse to dre…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 03:54 PM
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He also gained a lot of the female vote. People forgot about how pissed off left leaning women were for being 'betrayed' by their sisters. That was primarily white women and I don't think that they were left leaning. Most where probably already Republicans or right leaning, concerned about the identity politics and political correctness coming from the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 02:23 PM
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Which part of the political spectrum is in each gender's best interest? Neither side of the political spectrum exclusively favours a particular gender. The divide is more between the economic haves and have nots. Prior to feminism, one's economic class was the basis on which people found their political homes. Obviously, on that basis most men and women would have found themselves on the left. However, I think the misandry of feminism has pushed a lot of men to the right. Without that, there wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 07:08 AM
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A lot of republicans tried to go nevertrump but at the end of the day people decided they wanted an honest monster. The last thing Trump is, is honest. Nevertheless, I do agree that his unapologetic pro-male dog-whistling did appeal to male audiences, especially given the rampant misandry in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:40 AM
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Men are only invisible or ignored when they require help or nobody wants anything from them. The rest of the time they are everything but invisible or ignored. Naturally, that's when people want something from them. I wouldn't describe that as great.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 06:21 AM
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Attractive, high profile celebrities have the option to fuck a different woman every week. Yet somehow, most of them are in LTR or married - often to women their own age and not 20 something super models. Why is that ? Compassion, guilt, indoctrination, social pressure and reputation protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 11:53 AM
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It's all a matter of perspective. You have to remember that men who subscribe to the RP are by definition not BPers. This means that they don't recognise the possibility of a genuine emotional connection with women, since any connection is contingent on the man being able to perform well enough to maintain the attraction of the woman. The moment he slips, the connection disappears. The whole romantic notion of soul-mates and emotional connection comes from a BP perspective. A perspective that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 02:19 PM
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No, I was asking what reasons the study found for girls doing better in a single sex environment than boys. They don't. Here is the research. Single-Sex vs. Coed: The Evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:54 PM
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How does my link contradict what I was asserting? The boys in all boys schools did worse than girls in all sex schools - nothing more, nothing less. That is what grades have shown recently in the UK. The discussion is about single-sex schools vs. co-ed schools, not single-sex boy's schools and single-sex girl's schools. This is what you were clearly discussing in your comment. I'll remind you: "Academically speaking, Girls do BETTER going to all girls schools than mixed schools, however boys to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 11:50 AM
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That study (presented by a pro-same sex school organisation) uses a controlled study in Korea. Not only am I sceptical, but it's not really applicable to western culture. Controlled studies are precisely what you want if you want to find out if there is a difference between single-sex and co-ed schools. The article I posted referred to more than one such study that shows the superiority of single sex schools. Moreover, the "pro-same sex school organisation" you refer to had no involvement in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 11:12 AM
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Academically speaking, Girls do BETTER going to all girls schools than mixed schools, however boys to WORSE. This is according to the studies I have read here on the UK. This is not true. Sounds like feminist propaganda to me. See the research below. Boys do much better in single-sex schools and it's not even close. Single-Sex vs. Coed: The Evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 02:04 AM
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I support single-sex schools. Research shows that children do much better in them than in coed schools and it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 01:43 AM
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This is contrary to RP doctrine that states that attractive men who keep frame are able to spin plates. Why would such a man have to put up with a relationship unless he has set his standards for sex so high that he only wants sex with an SMP equal woman? I'm not talking about RP men. I'm talking about society generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 08:55 PM
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I have an aversion to intimacy, have a very low tolerance for being in close proximity with another person for too long. And i hear so often that men just tolerate us anyway, without wanting anything to do with us other than pussy. These 2 forces combined is why I stay single. The world is a fucked up place man. Men don't have a problem with the physical side of being in close proximity. It's all the unneccessary talking, pretending and having to constantly be attentive that is exhausting, not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 07:50 PM
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Attractive men don't have to put up with relationships. They're the ones who are really in power, not women. However, for some reason, average and unattractive men are not mad at attractive men, but instead the women who reward them. No, attractive men have to put up with relationships too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 06:18 PM
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Actually, most men want relationships, too. Not gynocentric ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 06:03 PM
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In the middle of this post, it points out that Maslow's hierarchy of needs is not an entitlement, that everyone needs affection, closeness, and a stable significant other. Which is true, IMO. I can sympathize with that and people who have a hard time finding it. So to say that men "have to put up with relationships in order to have sex with women" it completely invalidates the above statement that men need closeness and a stable significant other. Maybe sending out the message that men have to "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 06:01 PM
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Yes, but my point is that they can't help this. It's their biology that makes them this way. The solipsism that you mention is mostly women not wanting to care about the average man's inability to get sex rather than a lack of capability to understand it, mostly because just getting sex in and of itself is not really that important to women. I think it's a mixed bag of fear, denial, lack of curiosity and not caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 05:47 PM
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A woman doesn't, because men's minds work by wanting sex first. My point is that she has to put up with the sexual attention from many man in order to get the attention from the few men who she might want to have a relationship with. Well, men have to put up with relationships in order to have sex with women. From a male perspective, that's a far more arduous task than putting up with sexual attention, but obviously women don't understand this perspective, as per their solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 11:16 AM
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I don't think that women are in denial, but they rightly focus on the negatives of this "privilege" that they have, which is harassment by physically stronger, thirstier men. The other main negative is that women don't even want the sexual attention as much as they want a relationship, which can be just as hard for some women to achieve as it is for some men out there to have sex. Women are either in denial or their solipsism overshadows the possibility of denial. Either way, it's clear that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 11:11 AM
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No shit Sherlock. Of course they're doing something wrong. Not morally, just practically and not necessarily through any fault of their own. Maybe they are simply physically unattractive, lack confidence, lack the requisite personality or are unable to make enough money to give them a good chance of having what would qualify as success in the SMP/RMP. When you say they're doing something wrong, you make out as if it's all on them, but that is not necessarily true. That would only be true if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 10:25 AM
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Are you under the impression that you were totally powerless in that situation? Like there is no chance that you might have made some choices along the way that hindered your success? I think the point is that sometimes the odds are heavily stacked against some people, through no fault of their own, and considerably lower the probability of their success when compared to others. That's not to suggest that anyone is totally powerless, just that some people have more obstacles than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/19 10:15 AM
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Stupidpol is right up your alley Perhaps, but on political discussion forums I prefer to engage with people I disagree with. That's a much better way of honing my arguments and thoughts, as well as understanding the perspective of those I disagree with or would be political adversaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 07:12 PM
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If you're serious, /r/stupidpol. Check it out. Lots of anti-idpol leftists who don't post shit that sounds like a fascist. Hint: "Political correctness gone mad" is language that only right-wingers use. Same with random strawmen about having to lick women's asses to not be a misogynist, or talking about "campus feminists" and shit like that. You sound and post exactly like a dumbass chud who's making a very poor attempt at "just asking questions folks". Idpol = identity politics Well, you're cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 06:43 PM
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Here’s the problem: you guys seems to always talk about evolutionary psychology like it is a testable science and unflawed. Sure there is some merit to it, and it’s interesting. But it’s fundamentally untestable and there is a lot of pseudoscience being pushed in that community as “Red Pill Truths.” The more you look into it, the sillier it is, if you have any background in science. I haven’t seen TRP people acknowledge that the evo psych beliefs they have are just that: unfounded beliefs. And t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 06:17 PM
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These days, anything that is not licking the asses of women or absolving them from all accountability is considered misogynistic, so that word has lost all credible meaning. Even complimenting a woman can be labelled misogynistic in the current climate No, it's not anywhere outside of the internet and tales spread to rile up reactionaries. No, in real-life too. You may not consider political correctness gone mad to be a problem, but I do and I'm on the left. Many others on the left have also exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:50 PM
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I don’t think most people believe there are no differences between men and women and all differences are completely socially constructed. However I don’t see why you guys think social influence doesn’t matter. Obviously both matter, if you take classes in genetics, developmental biology, and developmental psych there’s tons of research showing the effects of environment on development are real. That is not about feminism, that’s research. And if you say that research is all biased while the rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 04:18 PM
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There's nuggets of truth in almost any ideology. The red pill is not an ideology and this is hardly an argument against any claim that purports to reveal the truth. In any case, any such claim should be reviewed critically and discarded if it fails in its predictive powers. No one is advocating that anyone blindly believe and accept the red pill. Of course, it must be tested against one's own reason, observation, experience and knowledge. Like anything, some of it will ring true and some of it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 02:40 PM
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The Red Pill is deeply tied to the alt-right. It's not about "understanding the dynamics between the genders" anymore than so-called "race realists" are just having an honest conversation about racial differences and "human biodiversity". It's old school misogyny updated for the modern era and rationalized with intellectual language. Well, I'm not alt-right or even right-wing, but I recognize the truth of many ideas which have emerged from the red pill. A reason why you may believe that it has s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:21 PM
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So what's the truth accordibg to redpill? I may have misunderstood somethings. Just some basic truths regarding the red pill are that biological differences between men and women are a significant factor in behavioural differences between men and women, men and women have competing optimal mating strategies, and the romanticism of mainstream narratives regarding relationships between men and women are untrue rationalizations or wishful thinking. Obviously, there are a lot of other insights about…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:01 PM
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The red pill has nothing to do with being alt-right or seeing women as oppressive. It's simply about trying to understand dynamics between the genders and rejecting politically correct rationalizations which obfuscate the truth, otherwise known as the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:11 PM
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The ill-tempered gender battles only started when feminism went into overkill and unjustly declared men the enemy. Prior to that there was more goodwill between men and women as they obliviously progressed through history together. What is unjust about it? We wanted certain rights and you did everything in your power to gaslight, strip, and abuse us of it. If men were actually our friends would this even be an argument? It's unjust because it's not true. Men are not a homogenous class who cooper…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 11:01 AM
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Liberal was hijacked too. Language changes. I'm very much a classical liberal, not this statist nonsense that passes for it today. Liberal was not hijacked. The term evolved unconsciously. Murray Rothbard actually chronicled his efforts to take the term libertarianism and redefine it. libertarian [ˌlibərˈterēən] NOUN an advocate or supporter of a political philosophy that >advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens. Thats not the left in a long…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 01:04 AM
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Libertarianism includes people on the left. I find people claiming to be libertarian left amusing while also trying to grow government. Noam Chomsky is a well-known libertarian on the left. Oh god, I just threw up a little. Libertarianism originates with the left, not the right. The term was hijacked by Murray Rothbard, by his own admission, and contorted in to this strange right-wing conflation of disjointed philosophies. Read your history. Anarchists are opposed to government.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:37 AM
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I did not know conservatism is compatible with free love. Thats because you don't know what is under the umbrella of conservatism. Much of the US right falls under a librarian ideal, it they make up a sizable portion of the republican base. It also makes up the group of the highest IQ voters in the US but I only say that to spite the left who think they are. It goes religious conservative < liberal < libertarian. They hate that. Anyways libertarians are into freaky shit as long as its consensual…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 11:32 PM
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We have the Hindu practice of Sati, where a wife must burn alive alongside the body if her husband. Women and men occupied different roles and assumed different responsibilities, out of necessity. This is not oppression. Imma go ahead and say forcing living people to set themselves on fire for a funeral is not necessary to survival there mate. You're cherry picking an example of an ancient practice that may or may not have been voluntary and that resulted in a woman's death. I too could cherry p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:58 PM
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It isn't true. There is evidence against it. No proofs. Proofs exist only in mathematics. In the real world here is only evidence. Hence, verisimilitude is the thing that should be used in the real life. And I am not a blank slateist, just mean that it's not that simple. That if you pursue to seek truth you might assume the first thing you hear is truth because it's how many people work: they want to achieve the goal ASAP and will happily assume they did as soon as they have such a possibility. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:43 PM
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Practically all feminist activists subscribe to ideas like patriarchy theory, toxic masculinity and other buzz phrases created by feminism that seek to depict history as men's oppression of women. Yes, I agree. The OP have said there is a problem with feminism. Glad we agree. If gender essentialism is true, so be it. If blank slateism is true, so be it. So, if blank slateism is true, feminists are correct. Which kinda nullifies your message. I didn't say blank slateism is true. It isn't true. My…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:14 PM
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The ill-tempered gender battles only started when feminism went into overkill and unjustly declared men the enemy. More, Men only felt it was a battle when the gender based oppression wasn't one sided anymore. It is not hard at all to look at history and see men as a class shared little goodwill to women as a class. Organized religion being a perfect example. Of course men had goodwill towards women. That's not to say the world was perfect, is or ever will be, but enough women were treated with …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 10:05 PM
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Andrea Dworkin and Mary Daly I mean, not all feminists share their views, not even the majority. It's not just about them, it's about all the other leaders of the movement too and feminist theory itself. Practically all feminist activists subscribe to ideas like patriarchy theory, toxic masculinity and other buzz phrases created by feminism that seek to depict history as men's oppression of women. Maybe we will get there in a million more years Lol, in a million years we probably all be transhum…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 09:01 PM
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Hmmm good points! Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 07:22 PM
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Thank you. No problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 07:21 PM
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The ill-tempered gender battles only started when feminism went into overkill and unjustly declared men the enemy. Prior to that there was more goodwill between men and women as they obliviously progressed through history together. I'm not a tradcon, but the tradcon view never positioned women as enemies of men. It just saw men and women as inhabiting different roles, largely as a result of biological differences and religious conviction. 2nd Wave feminism specifically said that men are the enem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 05:21 PM
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Women like you should do what you want, just as I would advise men to do what they want. All the RP does is try to understand and speak honestly about the dynamics between men and women. It's not prescriptive. It's descriptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:47 PM
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The women's movement was driven by a minority of women, not all women. Even today, a minority of women self-identify as feminists. Certainly, there was and is a contingent of women who wanted to and want to be more involved in the public realm than in the private realm, but this is not the majority of women. Research shows that only around 20% of women in the Western world want to work full-time. Another 20% want to be full-time homemakers. The remaining 60% want to combine home life with part-t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 03:08 PM
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I agree. It's the typical feminist rationalization that hypocritically contorts to always make women the innocent victims of male malevolence. Even non-feminists have been brainwashed by this bullshit. The idea that women are or could be complicit in bad male behaviour or themselves often behave poorly towards men is unfathomable to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 09:18 AM
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I wouldn't equate the expression of frustration about how unfair one perceives the world to be, in any respect, with an expression of entitlement. See it for what it is, the expression of frustration. People express frustration for all manner of reasons. One common reason is if they notice "bad" human beings consistently having better outcomes than "good" human beings. Seeing that in the real world offends many people's sense of justness. It does not necessarily mean that they personally feel en…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 06:58 AM
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A few questions. 1) Do you believe that Hannibal really existed and brought his troops over the Alps? 2) Do you believe that the Jesus whom the Gospels refer to was a real historical person, or entirely fictional? (Separate from whether all the claims they make about this person are true.) 3) What precisely is the source of the claim about the Resurrection? Were there never any eyewitnesses--i.e. all invented at a later date? Or, were there really eyewitnesses but they were simply deluded, decei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 04:37 PM
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I don't believe in concepts like a true man, but rather paradoxically I do agree that a man needing a relationship makes him less manly than a man who doesn't, all other things being equal. I am taking manly to mean in the traditional sense of being strong and independent. Clearly, a man who depends on women for his happiness is less strong and independent than a man who doesn't, again, all other things being equal. However, I don't know if that in itself categorically makes him unmanly. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 08:42 AM
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Yes, I think men can liberate themselves from gender roles and expectations, whether they will en masse or not is another question. The first step is that men need to shed their brainwashing, all of it. The manosphere is helping men achieve this to some small degree, but it has too many warts and does not go far enough. Once the brainwashing is removed, the next step requires a man to decide to live how he wants to live, rather than how others want him to live. A key component in all of this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 07:48 AM
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Catholicism requires unquestioning faith in the veracity of the Bible. That is blind faith. The Bible is considered unimpeachable by Catholics. All traditions that believe in a God or Gods have chains of testimony. That does not establish credible veracity. There have been almost 4000 Gods that have chains of testimony. Eyewitness accounts of the resurrection are not credible or reliable because they originate with the source which is dependent on the event for its claim to authority, namely Chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/19 06:39 AM
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I agree. Catholicism is not about blind faith, or believing something despite reason. That people think this is what faith means is largely to do with conflating Protestant and Catholic ideas of faith. Faith does go beyond reason but it is in many ways grounded in it. I believe, for example, "on faith" that Antarctica exists even though I have never seen it, becsuse I trust the source of the information. It is not irrational to trust in this way. Faith that Christ is the Son of God is faith of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 09:08 PM
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By no means does being redpilled mean that all untruths have been revealed to that person. It is merely a rejection of previously unquestioned mainstream orthodoxies about gender dynamics. Not all RPers agree on the details of reality, but they do agree that the BP narrative is false and camouflages a more accurate and dispassionate understanding of gender dynamics. No doubt, most RPers are still brainwashed about many aspects of life, including on the subject of gender dynamics, but this is a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/19 03:01 PM
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Fair enough. But this is indistinguishable from blue pill advice other than not getting laid as much. I'm no fan of the female red pill, but blue pill advice is even more gynocentric. It holds women less accountable for their own behaviour and expects men to commit with no expectation or demands of their own that serve their male needs. Most blue pill women would probably even argue that there are no unique male needs, because men and women are the same and want the same things, meaning gynocent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 09:55 AM
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So use money to buy a woman who will let you stick it in her hole. Money can apparently buy you all you need from other human beings....so congratulations I guess? Not the way I like to go through the world. To each his own. Yes, to each his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 01:22 AM
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Men have always had access to prostitution, it’s as old as history. Men have also always desired real wives and real girlfriends. If you are comfortable with paying someone to have sex with you, and find pretend enthusiasm equal to genuine enthusiasm, I dunno what to tell you....good for you? Some people will do (or in some cases have to do) anything for money and some people believe money can buy them everything. Men have always had access to prostitution, but not on the scale, variety and acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 01:09 AM
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You mentioned porn, fleshlights and hookers....you think 1/4 of all men age 18 to 35 who have had ZERO sex in a the past year are satisfied with these “endless choices and opportunities “ It will vary from man to man and will depend on the degree to which he has been brainwashed by society to believe that he should be in a modern relationship with a woman or his value is determined by women. The sexual variety that porn, sex aids, sex workers, sex clubs, sex tourism etc. provides, cannot be matc…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 12:35 AM
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Sounds more like least worse option than “endless choices and opportunities “ No, there are lots of choices and opportunities outside of marriage and relationships, some of which I highlighted earlier. Marriage and relationships impose restrictions on these choices and opportunities, not to mention your freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 12:12 AM
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I think most men on here are adamantly opposed to a constant diet of starfish. Last time this question was posed, most men said they would rather do without than to have to suffer through starfish. That's a mental hurdle most men would probably overcome if they were getting no sex at all, provided the woman didn't resent providing sex. Ideally, obviously, they would prefer more engagement, but life isn't perfect. Most men are still probably dealing with their bluepill brainwashing and will feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 11:38 PM
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Do you honestly think women throughout history have provided enthusiastic sex to the man their father told them to marry? I didn't say anything about enthusiasm, just sex. Sexual opportunities and choices are limitless? Really? https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-are-the-men-without-sex Yes they are. I imagine that practically all of the men who are not having sex with women are using porn. Most probably consider that preferable and more convenient than having romantic relationships with women. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 10:59 PM
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True high earners are rare but most 50 year old men make a lot more than 30 year old men. Yes, and 30 year-old men make more than 20 year-old men, plus they have time on their side compared to 30 year-old women. They still have all the 30 year-old women to look forward to, in their 50s, after they have enjoyed all the 20 year-old women, in their 30s. There is no advantage that women have over men at any equivalent age after 30 when it comes to mating. Yes women seek security, the reason why mono…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 09:07 PM
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It not as hard as you think either for a 30 year old woman to snag a 50 year old high earning guy. A handsome one...yes, they are rare. I see very average looking, much younger women with high earning average men who are a decade or so older. That doesn't mean anything. Of course you will see younger women, both average and attractive, with high earning older men, but that tells us nothing about the nature of the relationship or the accessibility; whether it's exclusive or inclusive, temporary o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 06:30 PM
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Many women remain monogamists despite opportunities and desires, just like men. A 30 something woman can often snag a high earning 50 year old guy at the peak of his career, but chooses to remain with her 30 year old partner. This is pure fantasy. The sexual options and desires that men and women have are not symmetrical or fairly resolved with monogamy. Men and women are different. Monogamy satisfies women's optimal mating strategy and general preference, but frustrates men's. Women are monogam…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 05:29 PM
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Men and women get still married, stay married and stay monogamists. I know, rarer all the time. Women give up branch swinging, men give up variety. Most couples who have some branch swinging and plate spinning before marriage agree to give up this behavior. Branch swinging is not exclusive to women or even something women can do as easily as men can trade a woman in for a younger and more attractive model, so this is hardly a privilege that women uniquely forgo, is to their ultimate advantage or…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 04:24 PM
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Hypergamy also assumes branch swinging and serial monogamy imho, being ready to trade up when the opportunity for something better comes along. Polygany is the impulse to add a partner when someone better comes along. Yes, but hypergamy and monogamy favour women, plus they exist. Polygyny favours men, but does not exist in the West. How is this a compromise?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 03:27 PM
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I do think men and women are inherently different, and I do believe men are polygnists and women are hypergamists. Monogamy is a good compromise imho Polygyny and hypergamy are not opposite counterparts, polygyny and monogamy are, so it does not make sense for monogamy to be a compromise between polygyny and hypergamy. Hypergamy is something entirely different. Monogamy is the opposite and complete submission of polygyny, so cannot be a compromise with polygyny, by definition. The presence of bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 03:06 PM
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Not sure about nobler, but I do admire the humility of women who do not assume or take for granted the idea that they should be the focus of attention of the man they are in a relationship with. This quality is all too rare in women these days, who insist on being seen as special or treated as special, when they are not. The unwarranted narcissism and entitlement of women these days is through the roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 02:25 PM
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In the name of equality, if both are responsible, there should be no issue about giving men reproductive rights, like the rights women have to abort a child. Men should have the equivalent right of financial abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 02:01 PM
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Do you think this trend will keep moving forward? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 01:39 PM
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The manosphere is partially a consequence of the fact that honest male expression or opinion from an honest male perspective is being socially repressed in Western mainstream society, whilst female expression is given the green light and protected. Women are freer to say what they want about men without much adverse consequence from mainstream society, whereas men are instantly labelled as misogynistic bigots and ostracised if their commentary on women is not sufficiently obsequious. This create…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/19 01:37 PM
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I always use the powerlifting example as TRP really kind of pushes lifting heavy. Men that turn their nose at LTRs really should stay away and they shouldn't be encouraged to participate in something they don't see a great value in. But I use powerlifting because for a lot of them, it's another thing they aren't doing to improve their own mindset. And they don't want LTRs specifically because they feel scared about being in a position where a woman can hurt them. Which is on them to fix, not wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 05:34 PM
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So different species from different worlds? The operative word was "metaphorically".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 04:30 PM
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I'll be 100% fine with AWALT as soon as guys are fine with #YesAllMen and being compared to Bill Cosby. The RP does not care whether you are okay with AWALT, and men are already treated with suspicion as the default. is that women are for team women and their own female predilections, over team men and men's predilections, So human women.....acting like humans? Yes, this is what the RP teaches men, as opposed to the BP narrative that women are altruistic angels who are capable of loving men self…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 03:09 PM
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Then why do so many try to apply these terms to politics? If a guy is claiming anti-feminist women are secret feminists, that's getting political. Sandman, King MGTOW himself, made a video claiming all women are feminists even if they dont admit. That sounds pretty political. It's hard to separate what happens in society from politics; politics is about what happens in society. In any case, describing women as feminists is a description based on observation. It's not political in terms of assert…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 02:27 PM
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This has nothing to do with the definition of AWALT or NAWALT. More reasons why I hate the manosphere. None of you can get your made-up definitions right. You not understanding the definition is not the manosphere's problem. It also is not an example of manipulation. Ruining a guy's life to get your way isn't manipulation? It's like I'm learning a new language..... A woman ruining a guy's life to get her way need not involve manipulation. She could just be blatant about it. In any case, I was re…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 12:29 PM
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Conservative women are no more these things than SJWs and may in fact be worse. How would that be worse? Conservatives stood by Kavanaugh, a man being falsely accused of rape. This included rape victims siding with him. It's manipulative to defend a guy against false accusations? This has nothing to do with the definition of AWALT or NAWALT. It also is not an example of manipulation. Conservative women can be worse because they may care about status and wealth in a prospective partner more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 11:55 AM
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No, conservative women are not NAWALTs. At the very least, the definition of a NAWALT is a woman who is not hypergamous, not solipsistic, not subject to Briffault's law and not manipulative. Conservative women are no more these things than SJWs and may in fact be worse. It's possible that amongst the 3.5 billion women on the planet, one NAWALT exists, but they don't exist in any meaningful sense. They are so rare as to be an aberration from the normal predilections and behaviour of women. They w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 11:23 AM
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It's primarily because of the religious shame surrounding sex. You will not see many politicians publicly admit that they do not have an issue with prostitution or pornography. People are still very uptight about sex in so-called respectable circles. The Victorian era has not left us yet. Male politicians don't want to be seen to be promoting either, in case people suspect that they are users themselves. The second factor is the influence of feminism in characterising sex work as violence perpet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 02:29 PM
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Women want someone compatible with them financially. A rising number of women are fine with stay home partners but the number of dual income households is on the rise. Women can’t require their partner to bear their own burdens out of fear of being called bratty and picky, they resort to being pick-mes. Most women are not fine with stay at home partners. Like I said, 80% prefer not to work at all or to work part-time. The fact that dual income households have risen in number is a consequence of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 09:36 PM
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One could think of a lot of things, but if I had to choose one, I would make women more dispassionately rational, so less solipsistic. That would make a difference in a lot of areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 07:44 PM
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Women have plenty of hobbies, their just not seen as legitimate as ‘guy’ hobbies. Also I suspect the ‘emotional dependency’ you claim is just the average amount of labour people put into relationships. From what I’ve seen, many men happily take and reluctantly give. So men aren’t that low maintenance either. I don't think men place anywhere near the demands on women that women place on men. This is also reflected in our public discourse, where public demands on men, by women, are perfectly accep…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 07:05 PM
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I think so! I see complaints about women not having hobbies, interesting personalities or their own money. But if society valued the accomplishments of women, you would not have asked this. Yes, but men want women to have their own hobbies because they don't want the burden of having to personally engage with and entertain them 24/7. They want women to take care of their own psychological and emotional wellbeing, rather than laying it all on men to make them happy. More self-care and less emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 05:58 PM
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Change that about them! As a culture, I feel like men miss out on so many good qualities a woman can have because they are so fixated on looks But are they missing out if these are qualities that men don't desire or want? What if they are qualities that men dislike or what if the price for them is too high and negates whatever benefit they are purported to provide? Surely the man in question is in the best position to make this assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:45 PM
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the dominance of the BP narrative in the culture will brainwash the child along that line of thinking and has already done so with the parents. Yet, there is no dominance of BP narrative in Russia. And he still was blue pilled. No doubt, things are a little different on the ground in Russia than in the West, where feminism dominates. Putin is not one to tolerate the nonsense of feminism, as Pussy Riot found out. I think Russian culture is also less susceptible to it. Nevertheless, even those in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:20 PM
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Were I looking for a LTR, yes, this woman would be high value. Men typically do not base a woman's value on her career. It's the personal qualities that she brings to the relationship that matter to men. Also, I'm not a conservative. I'm a lefty.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:02 PM
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Lol, I have a friend who was raised in conditions when his mom stayed at home a lot and cared about him way too much. He is blue pilled. At around the age 10-12 whenever he walked she would call him each hour and asked when he comes home. And no, my friend's dad worked full-time. Daycare is not so obsessed with children, I guess. And look further: I was alone at home since 9 (when my parents were at work). I got flat keys at that age. I am much more RP than my friend. And yeah, I could cook sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 02:46 PM
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What about me saying that it’s a generalization has you feeling you need to argue with me? I don’t understand what you’re even arguing about here I'm not arguing. I'm elaborating and clarifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 06:31 PM
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I didn’t say they were So abstract and detached analysis here does not translate into strict, robotic, implementation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 06:23 PM
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I don’t know you can say that as anything more than a generalization but sure, like I said I think it’s more often the case that he just was interested in sex to begin with or wasn’t sure and sex wouldn’t really be the factor to make up his mind and either way you’re in a similar boat as the women One takes for granted that any assertion about a given demographic is a generalization, and in this case it's a pretty good one. Men are human beings, not robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 06:08 PM
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No, my comment highlights why women laugh at male advice. Because it always is quite clearly a thinly veiled attempt to appeal to the male imperative. Lol you don’t date/fuck men, we really wouldn’t expect you to know what works and what doesn’t. It is absolutely ridiculous to assume that sex is going to turn a formerly disinterested man into liking you. Or that having sex on a first date won’t change a man’s perspective of you. That’s simply poppycock that men say to try and get women to have s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 03:25 PM
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Ok? I don’t know how that really argues with what I’m saying but ok I was just confirming that men do compartmentalize, between abstract analysis and contextual implementation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 03:23 PM
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Well I’m not sure you can compartmentalize it that easy. There are men here who say it shows a girl is “too easy”, etc, but generally speaking I think it’s more a factor if they either only were looking for sex to begin with or weren’t sure and there’s no guarantee quick sex is going to make up their minds. Men here are analysing women en masse and abstractly. However, if they were interested in a relationship and encountered a woman they liked, it would not matter if she had sex with them quick…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 02:54 PM
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I mean that’s part of the point though - if you barely know the person you don’t know their intent with you necessarily and they likely don’t either. So it’s best to wait a little bit so you can try and figure that out, if you’re not someone who is into casual sex. This is setting aside the fact that a lot of women simply don’t want to have sex yet with a man they barely know after 1 or 2 dates or whatever. Yes, but this is a different issue to men discarding women because they had sex with them…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 02:40 PM
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This, right here, is the perfect example of why women should never take dating advice from men. I mean seriously, lol! Your comment is the perfect example that women have no clue about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 02:17 PM
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But you guys want low n'counts. A low n count is preferable for most men, but it's not necessarily a dealbreaker and has more to do with whether a woman can be considered stable, trustworthy and upstanding. So, not all n counts are equal. If one's n count has arisen due to imprudent behaviour, that's different from it arising as a result of being tricked by men. Men are more concerned about the personality behind the n count, not the n count itself. However, in most cases, a high n count would s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:24 PM
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You can't be too good or too quivk or the dudes will judge you and you can't be too prudish either. Lots of guys will just put you in the fuckbuddy zone after they hit it. Most men are not going to judge a woman negatively simply because she had sex with them quickly. That's something that men will appreciate. The more likely reason why a lot of sexual encounters that women have do not lead to long-lasting relationships, when this is what they want, is because the man is not interested in a rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 11:35 AM
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These are done by predators who get off it. Yes, but what makes a predator a predator and what enables them to get off? An appetite, a sexual appetite in the case of sexual predation. That's not to say that a sexual appetite entails sexual predation, just that it is a prerequisite for sexual predation and getting off. I suspect that one will find more instances of sexual predation amongst those with higher libidos and fewer instances of sexual predation amongst those with lower libidos or none a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 09:52 PM
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Yeah I know incels aren't the norm but we're talking about sexually unsuccessful men specifically here. Yes, but most sexually unsuccessful men are not incels. Incels constitute a tiny proportion of sexually unsuccessful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 01:35 PM
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Oh I yeah I agree with you man I don't get why incels in particular don't just fuck some whores already. But I do think social stigma is the biggest element. Guys who are sexually unsuccessful are that way because they're shy and neurotic. These same traits also lead to that obsession with how the woman has to be attracted to him or he won't have sex. I mean personally I think it is sexy when I can tell a girl desires me. But I would fuck a whore as well even just for fun. Incels are not the nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 12:45 PM
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No I’m simply saying that a certain echelon of woman is not readily available at a certain price point in most Western countries. I’m sure you can find an escort anywhere. Never debating that. What do you mean by a certain echelon? Women with PhDs? Surely you cannot mean attractive women? There is no shortage of attractive prostitutes or women who do not identify as prostitutes but who will have sex for money. One need only look at the endless supply of attractive escorts advertising on the inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 12:30 PM
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i can understand trying to draw a correlation between rape and sexual harassment to high sex drives + no release, but it's pretty widely accepted that both of these things are more related to power and degradation than anything else. Only by feminists, given their delusions about and obsession with power dynamics between men and women. Sensible people recognize the sexual element in any given sexual act.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 12:07 PM
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The rate of violent crime has dropped for the last 25 years from a peak in the early 90s. Addiction is an issue with the medical and pharmaceutical industry, with the widespread use of prescription opioids. Addiction is hardly an exclusively male problem. This is a silly take predicted on a very false world view. How is this relevant to the conclusion of the article? "The male sexual deficit (or surplus male sexuality) helps to explain sexual harassment, sexual violence, rape, rising demand for …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 12:00 PM
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Okay but I want to know who your crush is. Not all this other stuff. I don't have a crush. There are a lot of physically attractive women out there. They are interchangeable. However, none of them are enough for me to give up my freedom and integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:17 AM
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Man, this sub is no fun 😤 everyone is so damn serious. Well, you asked for an answer and you got one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:56 PM
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I think it should be clear to any non-ideologue that biology plays a huge role in the behavioural differences between men and women. It is the basis from which society emerges and it never disappears. The relationship between biology and society is symbiotic. Both also impact our behaviour. However, our underlying biology is predominant. It has seniority in chronology and influence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:54 PM
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I didn't ask for a philosophy lesson, professor. Who do you choose? I already answered. I choose the truth and my integrity, which means that I choose some aspects of the RP. A "dream" girl pales in comparison. There's far more to life than one woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:08 PM
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Given that many aspects of the RP intersect with the truth, the question could be rephrased as; would you give up your intellectual freedom to explore realities about the world and incorporate them into your perspective, for your dream girl? The answer is no. No real woman is worth that. You would have to invent a beautiful, fictional, unicorn of a woman or a perpetually refreshed harem of beautiful, fictional, unicorn women to even come close to considering this. However, even in these unachiev…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 04:50 PM
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Men generally don't like gold diggers. They want someone who likes them beyond their money and resources. A woman who is physically not much more attractive than a given rich man, can give that man greater confidence that the woman would still be interested in him without his wealth. Also, men like women who are nice and genuine, so when it comes to relationships, how a woman looks is not enough, if she is not nice or genuine. Gold diggers are more on the self-serving and fake side, so men pick …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 04:08 PM
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At what age should one be confronted with red pill info? At what age? From the moment one can understand such ideas. That will depend on the child and their environment. I think society generally underestimates children and starts their intellectual development too late. I think there is also a huge problem with poor and less than optimal teaching methods, so children and people are typically more underdeveloped than their potential allows. It's pretty amazing what can be achieved at a young age…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 03:09 PM
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I think this has something. The idea that male sexuality/thirst is bad seems more prominent now - although since I have never lived in the past one should take this statement with a huge grain of salt. But in general we're just trying to fulfill our emotional needs without being purposely malicious or aggressive or dangerous. A man wants sex from you and this really shouldn't be seen as something bad. Yes, wanting sex is not a bad thing, but religion and feminism have convinced millions of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 11:09 PM
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How can male sexuality and female comfortablity coexist? You would have to have a society where male sexuality was understood and accepted, rather than demonized and feared. You'll find that there is greater coexistence between male sexuality and female comfortablility in places that are less sexually repressed than the English speaking parts of the world and where man-hating feminism has not taken hold yet, like Brazil and Thailand. Also, some more liberal Western societies, like Italy, France,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 09:34 PM
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The RP is about understanding, not blaming. You've made constant posts about gynocentricism and how women are unsympathetic. Trying to understand reality and describing it does not amount to blaming anyone or anything. One cannot help it if women take RP descriptions of women personally, but the truth and political correctness cannot coexist. Sometimes dispassionately observing phenomena is going to offend people. They also don't have all of these ridiculous, unscientific, social theories Yes yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 11:32 AM
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No one cares whether you mind. RP men are not asking for permission. Clearly you do, because you guys never shut up and demand our sympathy. YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT. Don't flatter yourself, no one wants your sympathy, but RP men are interested in expanding the Overton window beyond the constrictions of gynocentricism. That in itself affords men greater liberation in what they think and what is actionable in the world, consistent with their androcentric preferences. the manosphere largely consists …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 11:06 AM
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We've had no end of hearing about the female experiences, so men know all about that. Okay, cool. Get over yourselves. There's nothing to get over. gynocentric interests controls mainstream narratives And? If you think most women are okay with that, you're very disconnected from reality. And? And this is what RP men are challenging, to improve the quality of their own lives, from the gynocentric BP dystopia we are increasingly heading towards. Most women are brainwashed by these narratives and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 10:18 AM
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I’m simply acknowledging macro relative differences. Of course, differences in how one is received always exist in relation to all manner of physical characteristics. However, I think that one's comportment is far more significant when it comes to being taken seriously, assuming the individual in question has the opportunity to build relationships with people. Obviously, if they are only going to be judged at first glance, that's a different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 07:48 PM
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If that makes you feel better. It's not a case of feeling better. It's a case of what's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 06:56 PM
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I never said it was. It’s just a relative difference I’ve noticed. In which case, behaviour is the key to a competent and pretty/feminine woman being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 06:44 PM
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Extremely competent, intelligent, and ambitious women tend to notice they’re still not taken seriously. She’s even less taken seriously (especially for leadership) if she has a traditionally feminine frame and happens to have an attractive face. What I said in my top level comment. Yes, I described this accurately. You mention attractive feminine women find it harder to be taken seriously, but not before you talk about any woman who is "competent, intelligent and ambitious". Despite this back an…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 06:04 PM
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You replied to me? And I was discussing competent feminine women? And we disagree. Despite your inner motivations, how you come across is in fact reality. Perhaps not your inner world. But for sure the reality of those interacting with you. No, you initially mentioned "extremely competent, intelligent, and ambitious women". You later went on to say that it's even more difficult to be taken seriously if you have a feminine frame and attractive face. Motivation obviously provides more information …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:50 PM
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And I’m in a better position to tell you how it’s perceived than you are. I was never really discussing motivations. I was discussing what happens. Perception is not reality. We were discussing the question of why many women are not taken seriously, which is the topic of the entire thread and was not restricted to pretty/feminine women by the original poster. On the question of why, you have to look at the internal motivation of the people who are not taking women seriously, not external percept…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:27 PM
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That may be true, but actions speak louder than your comments. I have no doubt that you personally believe you don’t let attraction cloud your judgement, but as a woman I can tell you that how you (general you) think you come across doesn’t equate to how things are actually playing out. Well, it's difficult to read people's thoughts and what motivates their behaviour, but on this matter I think I'm in a better position to understand how men think than you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:13 PM
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I was always talking about pretty women. See top level comment. Yeah I’m saying I think it’s more than what you’re saying. I’m sure for some women they are terrible at interpersonal skills, but my experience tells me it’s also about how they look and how that makes others feel as well. Men just don't think the way that you think they do. Also, if a woman is attractive, men are going to want to sleep with her. That's just biology. However, that's not going to prevent a man from taking a woman ser…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:53 PM
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Women are not an oppressed class. Neither are men. I agree. I'm not arguing that men are oppressed. not because of their sex. Why are you lying about history but then expect me to take you seriously? Contemporary feminists are the ones lying about history, not me and I'm not the only one who recognizes this. Camille Paglia refers to the problem below (6:53 - 9:10). Feminism: in conversation with Camille Paglia It's a strange form of oppression when the group who are supposed to be oppressing you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:42 PM
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I think part of the reason competent but pretty/ feminine women aren’t taken as seriously is because people are blinded by their desire to want to fuck them. We were just talking about women, not pretty/feminine women in particular. However, even they will be taken seriously if they can command respect by their actions. Certainly, there may be initial scepticism, but that can be true for men too. Ultimately, everyone has to prove themselves again and again. The level of your performance will be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:17 PM
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I meant sexually. Hence the Aphrodite comment earlier. If that's the case, I don't see how this relates to my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:47 PM
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I imagine you feel the same about women who mistreat and abuse men. Except I don't pretend that an entire gender doesn't go through mistreatment. You do. Hence, you have a victim mentality. Women are not an oppressed class. Of course, many women have been victims of oppression, just as men have been, but not because of their sex. The entire gender has not been targeted for oppression solely on the basis of their sex or by men. It's a strange form of oppression when the group who are supposed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:42 PM
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The arguments in favor of my reality are psychological research and studies. The arguments in favor of RP are hurt feelings, bitterness, autistic misinterpretations of studies and "but you are just a brainwashed blue piller". So how am I out of touch with reality just because I don't believe in the delusions of TRPers? You're out of touch because you talk nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:53 PM
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Yes, I'm aware of the Braasch sets, but I didn't mention them because his ranking, at the time, is too high to illustrate the point I was making, that the William sisters would not even be able to beat a man ranked 800 places lower than Braash. John McEnroe, now, would beat any current female player in the world, such is the gap between what is involved in men's and women's tennis. I remember Andy Roddick being asked, by Jonathan Ross around 10 years ago, whether McEnroe could beat Serena, at 50…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:50 PM
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I don't know what you're claiming SJWs say about white men, but male suffering does appear to be invisible to most women. Same shit SJWs say about white men. I'm over the victim mentality. I don't have a victim mentality. I'm just correcting the record. One is reminded of Hillary Clinton's quote that illustrates this. You mean the same person who's hurt FEMALE RAPE VICTIMS and protected her husband from rape allegations? But please, keep whining about men. Well, she puts her own ambitions first,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 09:47 AM
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Because women tend to ignore male suffering and exaggerate female suffering. So the same shit SJWs say about white men. Classy. Thanks for proving my point. I don't know what you're claiming SJWs say about white men, but male suffering does appear to be invisible to most women. One is reminded of Hillary Clinton's quote that illustrates this. "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 09:16 AM
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Men too had their own burdens and women privileges that were not afforded to men. But if women say the reverse to TRP, we get scoff at. Like I said, I'm not appreciating how full of shit TRP is. Because women tend to ignore male suffering and exaggerate female suffering. All we ever hear about is female suffering and women as victims. Neither sex were oppressed. You are so full of shit. Not allowing women to participate in politics solely because of their gender IS OPPRESSIVE. Stop it. Just stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 08:25 AM
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I'm talking about the birthplace and primary target of feminist criticism, the West. Martial Rape was legal until the 90's. Prior to 1900, not allowing women to vote. Only after WW2 would women be allowed to work outside the house and not be criticized for it. FOR FUCKS SAKE, the story of King Henry the 8th! He changed religions because he didnt want a girl to be his heir. r/QuitYourBullshit The history of civilization constitutes far more than these feminist talking points, the realities of whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 07:14 AM
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Given that rape can mean practically anything these days, from regretful sex to violent gang rape, I would say that whether rape is worse than a fake rape allegation depends on the severity or traumatising details of the rape and the consequences of the fake rape allegation. If a woman has sex when she is drunk and considers that rape or it qualifies as rape in a particular jurisdiction, I would say that a fake rape allegation is far far worse. However, if a woman is held in captivity and brutal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 05:26 AM
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Only, the patriarchy they describe is a myth and their theories are based on fantasy. If you think living under Sharia is gynocentric, WE'RE DONE. I'm not talking about the Middle East. I'm talking about the birthplace and primary target of feminist criticism, the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:44 AM
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What you think they should do is irrelevant, but the fact remains that RPers want different things. What they CLAIM is irrelevant. Irrelevant to what? I was referring to what we were discussing. They don't need to do anything. Jesus Christ, it's like dealing with SJWs all over again. Just because they are not doing what you want, does not mean that they should be doing what you want. Still, many men find women's emotional needs draining. Women find men's hypocrisy and obvious bitterness to be ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:35 AM
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RPers want different things. Then they should stop acting like a monolith and stop treating other people as such. What you think they should do is irrelevant, but the fact remains that RPers want different things. It is descriptive, not prescriptive. Unless you are stating SCIENTIFIC FACTS, its perspective. Perspective can also be descriptive. MGTOW are RP and don't want involved relationships with women at all, They need to stop constantly talking about women. It comes off thirsty, creepy, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:24 AM
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most men are probably not looking for hypersex kittens. I'm not talking about most men. I'm talking about Red Pillers and MGTOW, especially MGTOW having these incel beliefs. Well, RPers want different things. Some want hypersex kittens, others want a devoted and committed modest woman, and some don't want to spend much time investing in women at all. RPers are not a monolith. All swallowing the RP means is that you have replaced BP false narratives with certain realities about men and women. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:50 AM
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It wants to fuck her 100x more I don't think she meant this sexually. I believe she meant in terms of women being screwed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 02:00 AM
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they just might not have the same level of trust in and respect towards them as with a woman who is more chaste and modest. That's fine, but understand, the modest girls are not going to be hypersex kittens. Even if she does, it's not going to be any time soon. That can be the price that a man pays for choosing modest women, but most men are probably not looking for hypersex kittens. They just want someone who they can have sex with regularly and who is not a prude. A modest and shy woman can al…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:58 AM
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I remember similar hype around Michelle Wie competing on the PGA Tour and being given exemptions to enter male tournaments. She never made the cut of any PGA Tour event and sometimes missed it by quite a bit. Serena and Venus Williams also mentioned wanting to compete with men when they first came on the tennis tour, but realistically would not even be able to beat the thousandth ranked male, at their best. This woman is not going to legitimately make the NFL, and yes there is a lot of delusiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 01:32 AM
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Sex is the most nurturing thing a woman can provide for a man. Okay, but I thought men hated the carousel riders. I don't see what a woman having sex with her man has to do with carousel riding. Carousel riding refers to promiscuous women. In any case, men do not hate promiscuous women. From a distance, they just might not have the same level of trust in and respect towards them as with a woman who is more chaste and modest. Women are the same on this. In actual fact, most men love promiscuous w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 12:21 AM
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This seems to be a conflict of interests. If a man wants a soft and nurturing woman, she’s typically not going to want sex that often. Or atleast, she’s not going to start having sex anytime soon. Why not? Sex is the most nurturing thing a woman can provide for a man. I don't see the conflict of interest,
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 11:40 PM
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The RP is not just about identifying shitty behaviour in women. It is also about understanding the biological nature and tendencies of women. Clearly, this information will apply to most women, not some collection of women on the fringe. The problem here is that they are relying on outliers to draw conclusions about female nature. A prominent example are all those that fall in the "but women wrote love letters to Ted Bundy" category. RP is no different than looking out of your window as proof th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:57 PM
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The RP is not just about identifying shitty behaviour in women. It is also about understanding the biological nature and tendencies of women. Clearly, this information will apply to most women, not some collection of women on the fringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:27 PM
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The state should have no say in the “morality” of the procedure, give. That church and state are separate, and the fetus a technically a parasite and unable to exist on its own until about 26 weeks gestation. The state is always addressing and legislating on moral questions, from felonies to mild misdemeanours. Also, one does not have to be religious to have ethical objections towards abortion, so discussions about church and state separation are not necessarily pertinent. We can characterize a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:03 PM
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RPers typically used to think that romantic love was about a type of altruistic and humane affection for another Then why do I see so many who prioritize sex above personality? When a RPer discovers the truth about women, his goals can change, because his expectations have changed. He is no longer a green BPer. In any case, whether RP or BP, men do consider personality in addition to sex, just not in the way that women do. They tend to be enchanted by softer and more nurturing characteristics in…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:33 PM
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Abortion is legal but highly regulated. It is a valid medical procedure that the government should not be involved in whatsoever. Practically all practises are regulated in developed countries. Also, all medical procedures are regulated by the government. No advanced libertarian society exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:17 PM
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RPers typically used to think that romantic love was about a type of altruistic and humane affection for another, as often depicted in popular culture or felt by themselves towards women, only to discover that it is more self-serving and mercenary than that. Most RPers were BPers, who found the RP difficult to swallow and wanted to believe the BP fantasy, but could not ignore or unsee the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:28 PM
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And I think part of it is down to how much the greater world wants to fuck her or not. Well, it doesn't want to fuck her any more than it does men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:45 PM
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I recoil at fake anything so I agree with you there. Men who posture as a means to fake a commanding comportment also gag me and don’t glean respect. My point was more, all else equal, people will likely tend to defer to the taller, stronger looking, man who is competent - blame evo psych - he looks like he can physically protect them. They’re going to want to naturally want to protect the feminine framed competent woman, not necessarily follow her lead in battle. Because she’s tiny lol. Even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:36 PM
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Au contrarie. It seems human nature for people to defer to people taller than them, with bass, could beat their ass. Extremely competent, intelligent, and ambitious women tend to notice they’re still not taken seriously. She’s even less taken seriously (especially for leadership) if she has a traditionally feminine frame and happens to have an attractive face. If anything women lean into to being “adorable” because it’s the only thing that gets results. Well that or a gun. There are a lot of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:17 PM
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Okay, body autonomy then. Meaning, the state does not try to make laws on what men can and can not do to their own bodies. Women do have body autonomy in the Western developed world. Abortion is legal, but the issue is still discussed because it's complicated by the fact that another living being or potential living being, who cannot speak on their own behalf, is involved. Let us not pretend that this issue is clear-cut and there are no dilemmas or moral questions to be contended with, even thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 01:43 PM
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Men don’t have to continually fight for the rights of their own reproductive systems. Men don't have reproductive rights. Let’s Talk About Reproductive Rights And Why Men Should Have Them Too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 12:42 PM
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Because women are solipsistic and think the world revolves around them and what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 09:39 AM
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Be attractive Don't be unattractive More seriously, even though the above is true and you cannot really make a man fall romantically in love with you unless he first finds you physically attractive, there are other characteristics which will help. What will make you a guaranteed keeper will be whether you enhance his life or make it worse, from a male perspective, not a female one. So, things like the quality and frequency of sex, whether you are low or high maintenance, whether you are a nag, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 04:28 PM
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Male. Understood and respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 07:35 PM
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And this is why gender roles are stupid. Gender roles are not stupid or smart. They are simply a preference. They are not mandatory. They also arose out of necessity and still to some degree conform to the natural strengths of men and women. We should not be forcing people to adopt them or abandon them. People should have the freedom to live however they choose, provided they are not harming others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 04:02 PM
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You wouldn't have an employment gap if you weren't a SAHM. that's the point. I guess they could get some bullshit retail job to cover the employment gap or save some money but retail jobs on a resume for adults are a red flag. Like you said, if your husband leaves you and you're a SAHM with no work experience or skills you're screwed. Being a SAHM does not mean that you are chained to the kitchen sink. You can still acquire skills, do courses, have hobbies, volunteer, work part-time or from home…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:43 PM
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Yep. This stuff is gender neutral. One of the clients at my work is a wealthy middle aged career woman who pays alimony to her husband, and he’s the one who initiated the divorce. It's written as gender neutral, but everyone understands that the laws were created with women in mind, and men understand that the family courts are biased against them. It's a bit like the Title IX laws. They were lobbied for by feminists and written with women in mind, but in gender neutral language, and now some wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 03:14 PM
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If someone is a SAHM throughout a marriage and, in the absence of any legal protection, would be destitute in the event of a divorce, I think it perfectly acceptable there should be some sort of entitlement to payment from the husband after a divorce, but it should be reasonable. The issue many men have with the current standard is that it unjustifiably burdens the ex-husband with keeping the ex-wife in the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed and can require the husband to pay alimony f…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 02:32 PM
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Sorry, I’m on mobile and don’t know how to use the quote feature, so l have to stick with annoying bullet points. 1 - I understand that it uses the phrase “traditional masculinity”, which may be confusing to readers, but it does define traditional masculinity by listing behaviors as examples. You have to go by their definition, not their phrasing. The APA is not saying that masculinity itself is bad, but rather that extreme, radicalized versions of it is. 2 - feminists don’t think those traits a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 08:28 PM
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I've seen a lot of "lol stupid career bitches, they're gonna die alone" and less "FUCK career bitches, I hate them so much." Well, it's not usually expressed like that. It's expressed as a disinterest in dating career women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:55 PM
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I've never seen someone who hates career women so intensely, even after a long time reading the manosphere. Really? It's quite a common theme. People have been talking about this for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 12:13 PM
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APA never said “masculinity” is a bad thing. It said that traditional masculinity, which it then defines as a multitude of toxic behaviors, are bad. Well, what we typically understand masculinity to mean is traditional masculinity. Many of the characteristics that the APA include in this category are not toxic, but are characterized as a problem, such as teaching boys to be strong, self-reliant, stoic or competitive. Feminists don’t then being strong is bad. They don’t think being competitive is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 03:16 AM
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“Traditional masculinity” is not “all masculinity”. There is no feminist who thinks that standing up for what you believe in and protecting loved ones and being decisive and confident are a bad thing. I didn't say anything about all masculinity, just traditional ideas about masculinity generally. I was also replying to your request for a link where the APA characterises masculinity as some type of disorder, which is not a new idea amongst feminists. There are feminists who believe that tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 02:04 AM
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“Traditional masculinity” is not “all masculinity”. There is no feminist who thinks that standing up for what you believe in and protecting loved ones and being decisive and confident are a bad thing. I didn't say anything about all masculinity, just traditional ideas about masculinity generally. I was also replying to your request for a link where the APA characterises masculinity as some type of disorder, which is not a new idea amongst feminists. There are feminists who believe that tradition…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 02:03 AM
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Isn't independence considered masculine as well? So that means masculinity is a worthless term because it's contingent on what women find attractive (which could vary), making it relative. Hard to be independent if you're only doing certain things to be attractive to women. It should be concrete and not dependent on the opinions of others. This applies to femininity too. Masculinity is not contingent on what women find attractive, it's just a fact that women find it attractive. Problems arise fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 08:18 PM
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Because masculine traits are the traits in men that are most attractive to heterosexual women, and men are interested in attracting women for sex. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 04:47 PM
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BP men have been so browbeaten about the "evils" of their own masculinity and indoctrinated about women's moral superiority, that they have very low standards about what they believe they deserve and can expect from women. They accept their lot in life and don't complain much, but that does not mean they are flourishing or are happy in any optimal sense. They are just getting on with it and largely deriving their purpose/value from the degree to which they can win the approval of women or a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 04:17 PM
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Bottom line, men and women are biologically different. I knew someone was going to strawman me with this. That includes cognitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 01:40 PM
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Do you have a link where the APA calls masculinity a disorder? The whole report is about how problematic traditional notions of masculinity are. Even their own review of the report describes the analysis in this way. Thirteen years in the making, they draw on more than 40 years of research showing that traditional masculinity is psychologically harmful....... The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity—marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression—i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 12:24 PM
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How is this not supposed to leave boys fucked up and unable to approach girls normally Unless they're naturally social and outgoing, it doesn't. Even they will be affected, but perhaps not as adversely as those who take it more to heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 11:15 AM
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You realize men have tear ducts too right? Mother nature gave men tear ducts to not be used? Pretty sure women are capable of getting angry too. You're kinda proving the point -- men and women have the same emotions but how we express them is largely cultural, not biological. BTW research shows boy babies cry more than girls. Can confirm. No, both biology and culture are involved. It is not exclusively one or the other. The relationship is symbiotic and biology precedes culture in chronology, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 11:08 AM
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What you say is a real and common experience for men growing up in the West, but I think that the main reason why men dislike male feminists is the last reason you give; unjustifiably throwing other men under the bus, in order to ingratiate themselves towards women. As you say, it is pathetic. It also comes across as insincere and weak. Men who refuse to play that game don't buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:54 AM
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You will never stop learning and you will never stop being ignorant about most things. Whether individually or collectively, human beings are incapable of omniscience or anything close.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:43 AM
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It will be due to a combination of factors, but I would imagine that the increased accessibility of porn, as well as the increasing anxieties and incompatibilities, between men and women, rank quite high.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:37 AM
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No, there is not some sort of cosmic law that says there is someone for everybody and there is no metaphysical phenomenon called destiny. However, there are people who are less likely than others or unlikely to find desirable partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:25 AM
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It's a perfectly reasonable question, with plausible suggestions about why this might be the case. However, I have noticed that women don't seem to like generalisations about women when they are unflattering. They have less of an issue with them when they are positive or when unflattering generalisations are made about men, such is their hypocrisy on the subject of generalisations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 10:12 AM
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I agree and disagree with you. Where I disagree is that I believe masculinity is more individualistic than femininity. Men simply have a greater capacity for independence, both physically and mentally, which speaks to that individualism. However, where I agree with you is that I don't believe that left-wing politics is inherently feminine. Men are the inventors of both left-wing and right-wing politics. These strands of political thought have largely been conceived and developed by the intellect…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 04:19 PM
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Hypergamy is not the only thing that has to be accounted for with women. There are other factors that will also affect their behaviour. In this case, having to live with the guilt of leaving will be a factor, as will the expectations of members of her family, including her in-laws. A demotion in one's social standing and the shame that might be incurred by leaving in these circumstances will be one of several deterrents. Of course, there may also be a genuine desire to stay, out of genuine affec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:07 PM
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Can you share studies showing equally rates of domestic violence? Here are a few references that identify symmetry in domestic violence. More than 40% of domestic violence victims are male, report reveals. CDC Study: More Men than Women Victims of Partner Abuse. https://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf Sex Differences in Aggression Between Heterosexual Partners: A Meta-Analytic Review. INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE: GENDER SYMMETRY AND THE VICTIM PERPETRATOR OVERLAP. Your tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 02:08 AM
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Interested in hearing how you’ve been adversely affected. It's not about me. Men, as a group, have been adversely affected by feminism. There are many examples one can point to and the manosphere has done a lot to uncover some of them, particularly MRAs. Generally, however, it all derives from the false narrative, inherent in patriarchy theory, that men are oppressors of women and are privileged in comparison to women. This gives feminism license to blame men as solely responsible for all of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 12:36 AM
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I’ve found that life’s truths are only as true one defines them to be true for themselves. If that’s the definition of life that makes you happy,’choose it, as hateful as it may be. All I’m saying really, is that there is no concerted effort by “women”, because that gender is just a group of individuals like any other. There is concerted effort by women. It's called feminism. Of course, feminism does not include all women, but it does coalesce a significant number of women in coordinated thought…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 08:49 PM
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I don't see the patriarchy™ or the oppression of women as a thing, so I don't feel bad about what is not reality. Even when I did give more credence to these ideas, I didn't feel bad about it personally, I was just more sympathetic towards women. However, I have witnessed men take this much more to heart and it actually affect their mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 07:57 PM
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Are celebrities/well known people exempt from "women wanting status/men wanting beauty"? No, but there are different pressures on celebrities that will affect the choices that they make. I get the impression that after Julia Roberts become more successful, her ego got too big to countenance dealing with another big A-lister. She wanted to wear the trousers. That's probably just a quirk of her personality. I think Clooney's marriage is a marriage of unilateral convenience. I don't think his wife …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 06:44 PM
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Do women use sex to manipulate their man? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 06:08 PM
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The only men who hate duty sex are those who have been brainwashed, by feminist propaganda, into feeling guilty about their own sexuality and how it relates to women's. That's not to say that duty sex is the preferred mode of sex, just that it is not hated by men and is certainly preferable to no sex at all. Duty sex need not mean starfish sex. It just means sex carried out as an obligation and for the benefit of another, rather than for oneself. Duty sex can still be carried out willingly and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 08:39 AM
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More men are holding women accountable for their own conduct. What's bad about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 12:11 PM
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Shaming is not anything like your examples. It is more manipulative and self-serving than that. It involves attempting to control the behaviour of others by vilifying them or vilifying certain types of behaviour. It is an attempt to disingenuously manipulate a situation by smearing or undermining someone or something through the use of unflattering aspersions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 11:43 AM
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Female affection is often very egocentric, which is why who they attract or how they are treated by men can affect their self-esteem so much. I used to think it strange when women got angry upon being politely approached by a man they considered unattractive, until I understood that their self-esteem is wrapped up in the type of men they attract. The health of their ego requires that the men they attract lean more towards dominant alpha characteristics than supplicating, do-gooder, beta characte…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 05:23 PM
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Thanks for the well thought out response. I agree with everything you said. Also to add most people are not charitable in society, men nor women. It goes almost without saying if women valued charitableness in mates to a high degree you would see more men giving to charity. Side question: in your view where do the "Noble" traits land on the hierchy of desired qualities in men? Honesty, altruism, kindness, fairness, etc. i.e being a good human being. I don't think that noble traits are a factor a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 12:59 AM
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I don't think women are wonderful, in fact I think most people are shitty, unaware, and self centered, to a big degree. I know women like sexy, confident, eminent, wealthy men just like men like big tits. But humans are also complex and don't just choose people solely off the basic biological qualities evolution bestowed us to desire. Women may not solely choose partners on the basis I described, but these qualities are far more relevant in attracting women than charitableness towards third part…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 11:12 PM
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I would presume because he's good dude who likes to help those less fortunate than him You've been struck by the women are wonderful effect. Women are not into nice guys. Their attraction is not based on how nice, altruistic of charitable a guy is. It's based on how sexy, confident, eminent and wealthy he is. This is one of the big differences in the emphasis between the RP and BP when discussing what women are like and what attracts them. The RP talks about the real nuts and bolts, whereas the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/18 10:42 PM
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Those aren't the reasons the reasons are that they aren't getting a woman of a high enough quality. They've even lost the ability to state their desires. The reasons I gave are two of the main reasons why men don't want to get married, but there are others. Many men don't place any value in marriage at all or are against the idea of conforming, like blind sheep, to what everyone else is doing. For men against marriage, the quality of the woman has nothing to do with it, as there is no price wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 11:01 AM
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You’re wrong and it doens’t have to make sense to you, women decide this. No, I'm right.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 01:25 AM
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Unattractive for marriage doesn’t just mean physically unattractive. Best case scenario is that he believes in marriage but just doesn’t wanna marry that girl- she’ll likely hang around hoping his mind will change. However, the reasons given here for men opting out of marriage are unattractive. Being paranoid one’s spouse is gonna steal all one’s gold? Unattractive. Edgelording about “not needing a piece of paper to define your relationship”? Unattractive. Thinking she has fucked hotter guys tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/18 12:53 AM
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Not if the men opting out are unattractive for marriage. There's no reason to think that men who don't want to get married are unattractive. In fact, one would be inclined to think that less attractive men have greater incentive to marry or at least less to lose. Besides, unattractive women want to get married too, who but unattractive men would be prepared to satisfy that demand?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 10:56 PM
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women care about individually finding A man to marry, they do not care what "men" do. as long as women who want a husband can find one none of this will matter Well, it stands to reason that one's chances of finding a man to marry are impacted by the availability of men who want to marry. The two go hand in hand, so finding a husband cannot be separated from what men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 08:26 PM
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"sell me on marriage" v93283756756567584589 there is no good reason "men" should get married. "men" are not boycotting marriage, the average age of marriage has risen. by 40-45 almost all men will have been married. women dont care what "men" do, they care what their man does dont get married, no one cares Compared to previous generations, fewer men are getting married and that trend is likely to continue. Obviously, women do care what men do, particularly if they are unmarried, but want to be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 07:33 PM
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Unfortunately, he has deleted his account. How unfortunate Indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:09 PM
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What about men who want to get married? Or tradcons? What about them? They are free to live however they choose, but they are not MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 05:53 PM
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Let me make it clear: the content of the post makes for a drawl discussion, you yourself are not even discussing the post. That's your subjective opinion. That's not fact. I think the OP is pertinent and worthy of discussion here. Unfortunately, he has deleted his account.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 05:12 PM
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You're MGTOW for the reasons you outlined: you went your own way (by literal definition) on your own terms and are content in doing so. Is that really what MGTOW means? Does that mean the millions of men who are happy in their traditional marriages and dating dynamics are also MGTOW? I thought MGTOW was dependent on a semi or full withdraw from society or woman at large. No, MGTOW just means not getting married and not altering your behaviour to appease women or society. It's about men being aut…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 04:46 PM
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It's not about encouraging or discouraging men. It's about telling men the truth and explaining what works in the pursuit of sex or relationships. It's about helping men acquire knowledge and make more informed decisions, rather than wallow in ignorance about gender realities and rely on sheer luck. If that discourages some men, so be it. As rational human beings, I believe that our primary cognitive ambition should be to acquire more knowledge, not obscure knowledge because we are afraid that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:51 PM
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The best way to protect against divorce rape is to only marry someone that makes the same amount of money as you. No, the best way is to not get married in the first place. The fact that you earn the same at the start of the marriage does not mean that you will earn the same at the end of the marriage, particularly if the woman takes time off to have children and the man works harder in order to pick up the slack and provide for his future family.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:09 PM
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only marry someone that makes the same amount of money as you So fucking simple -- yet so hard for so many to understand. Only it's not that fucking simple. Circumstances and income change, especially after women start having children. Also, who a man ends up liking and who ends up liking him back cannot always easily be matched with matching incomes. A man may be in a field that simply pays more, but be attracted to a woman in a lower earning field, a woman who is less skilled or a woman who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 12:06 PM
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Prefer divorce, just don't divorce rape me. Best of all, don't get married at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 09:02 PM
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The man speaks the truth, generally speaking. Exceptions do not disprove the rule. It's uncanny how he identifies hypergamy, Briffault's Law and female solipsism, in his own words, and in addition to other idiosyncrasies of women. Hallmarks of AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 06:24 PM
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I'm definitely not saying men in general lack the intelligence to distinguish between literal and figurative speech- but I would say that people who have less life experience under their belt do have a harder time with it. The impression I often get is that many of the posters on trp/related boards are young- late teens to mid twenties. They're going through shitty times and need to vent their anger, I get that.. but I'd definitely prefer that they read your original comment instead of the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 07:53 AM
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Yeah maybe I'm just wary of any message that is embellished and requires personal interpretation to justify itself, in my experience the average person (male or female) doesn't necessarily have the best tools to discern which parts to keep and which to discard... particularly amongst people who have trouble finding balanced perspectives in the first place. The recent converts are the most zealous, etc Practically all prose requires interpretation. It's just a question of how much. I don't think …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 03:51 AM
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Yeah I'm not a fan of their conversational/writing style.. it would be awesome if the general message was in the same vein and tone as what you wrote, I just get the impression that a lot of people don't actually have the reasonable judgment to figure out what's useful and what's exaggerated I have more faith in men's ability to distinguish between literal and figurative speech. Of course, not everyone is going to have that ability, particularly people who suffer from autism, but the overwhelmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 02:05 AM
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That was very well explained. Was this interpretation how you originally saw rp or is it something that you've refined along the way? Thank you. That's just how it came out in response to the question, based on what I understand TRP preaches. You could call it a refinement, but it's not intentional or something I thought deeply about. It's just a description of what I think TRP preaches and is trying to help men understand. As I said somewhere else here recently, the RP is open to misinterpretat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/18 12:52 AM
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I'm not really a frequenter of TRP either, but I do agree with the ethos of the RP. Being an alpha male basically comes down to being superior to other males, across a range of attributes, the more the better. The tell of an alpha male is usually confidence. Obviously, if you are or feel superior to everyone around you, you are going to have high self-esteem and be extremely confident. You can try to fake confidence, but it's hard and is not sustainable if you are not actually confident. It is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:05 PM
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Unfortunately, it's usually true that nice guys finish last, especially given our current systems. Having no scruples gives you more options, but not without risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:48 PM
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Connor mcleod Beat me to it, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 02:42 PM
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Firstly, I should say that TRP is not the RP. It is simply one reading of the RP. There are other ways of interpreting the RP, but all interpretations basically come down to recognising biological differences between men and women, then trying to understand them. Purple pill philosophy would be recognizing the truth of certain RP realities, whilst still trying to create some semblance of the BP romantic fantasy, with this knowledge. What's good about the RP is that it seeks the truth about how w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 01:39 PM
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You could find this, but you are going to be searching in a much smaller pool. A pool of asexual men and men with low T levels. The fact is that for most men, sex is a priority (8:01-10:03) in relationships. They do all of the romantic stuff for the benefit of the woman, because they know that many women appear to like or need that type of nuturing to be happy in relationships, but men would not even be in them without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:52 PM
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This is probably fake, but obviously it is not ethical to scam people. The scamming would be the issue if this were genuine, not the fact that there is a video out there of them flashing on camera for money. Clearly, they don't mind flashing on camera for money, they just want the money to be real.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 08:44 PM
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According to your debunker, this data has been tracked since 1918. Try again What data and how does this relate to what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 05:25 AM
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If governments spend billions promoting marriage, and suppress information which puts marriage in a bad light, why is it so easy to find studies on single women living longer than married women? If this is some vast conspiracy, why is the superior physical and emotional health of single women not buried? I didn't say anything specifically about the government suppressing information which puts marriage in a bad light. I merely mentioned that it spends a lot of money promoting marriage. I don't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 04:35 AM
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As to your first assertion that never married is lumped with divorced, this is a problematic issue. But there are also a slew of studies online comparing never married to the married too, one from Japan showing never married at 3 times higher risk of heart disease, Your “Single Men Good Hearts” cherry picked on study that used “self identitified, self reported” health problems as baseline, and asked if their doctors had identified risk. The baseline data was changed only when they actually had a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 12:53 AM
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What parts were statistically inaccurate? Probably all of them, for some of the reasons the first article I linked to identifies. Also, the pro-marriage bias in the tone of the Harvard piece and the overreaching assertions are blatant. Impartiality is clearly absent here and one would be a fool to place any trust in this article.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:50 PM
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Okay, sorry , stupid woman and all. Back to topic. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health” Researchers examined data from 34 previous studies involving more than two million people. Overall, they found that compared to married people, adults who were divorced, widowed or never married were 42 percent more likely to develop cardiovascular disease and 16 percent more likely to develop coronary artery disease. Thirty four studies vrs one. We're back to square one…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:32 PM
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To which my response was it’s not for men or women, it’s for children. If I agree that between the ages of 51 and 60, never married men are as healthy as married men, can I concede to you on this point. Then can we talk about how marriage and kids are shitty for women too? No, that article was about how marriage is good for men. That's what I was disputing. All of this other stuff is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:03 PM
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Ahh come on. I’ve been repeating let’s talk women and children. Can we talk women and children? How about I admit it’s better for both men and women to never be divorced ? That we can agree on? I'm not interested in talking about women and children. I only replied to you to respond to the article you posted. Also, I'm not arguing that it is better for men and women to never be divorced. I'm simply disputing the idea that marriage improves men's lives. Why is it so difficult for women to stay on …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:58 PM
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Should marriage even be a thing? Why should it exist? People can live with eachother without state mandated marriage licenses. ”People can fuck eachother without marriage licenses. Women can get pregnant and have kids without marriage licenses. Why do we need marriage? It seems like a form of discrimination to treat married people differently from single people. I think we should abolish marriage, it's more of a religious thing anyway.” This was the op. I missed the part where it stated we shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:38 PM
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No, sorry, the subject is not just the wellbeing of men, lol. I posted that marriage was not for the well-being of men or women, but children. You are the one who only wants to discuss men, not me. Can we discuss the well being of women? Should they tolerate shorter lives and more stress, when the same studies that show single men are better off also indicate that single women are also better off? Look at our birth rates. Women are valuing the individual good over the collective good too and mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:36 PM
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According to your lady psychologist, single women are even happier than single men. I think we can agree single moms don’t boost those statistics. She doesn't say this. She cites an article that shows some advantageous disparities that favour single women over single men. I mean, men and women are different and their life experiences are different, so it stands to reason that there will be disparities. However, the relevant comparison is between always-single men and men who get married, not sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 09:26 PM
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Why should women stop doing what they prefer (having children) what makes them happiest? That was your question. They shouldn’t provided they are willing to give up a longer, less stressful life. Having children will not make them happy unless they are willing to give up options, AND have a partner willing to give up options. If all men persue freedom, all women should as well. Single motherhood has never made a lot of people happy. Why should men stop preferring freedom? They shouldn’t, provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:45 PM
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Arggg. My original argument is that single women are the happiest and live the longest. Your “conspiratorial studies” trying to convince men to marry have convinced me that single women live longest. And are argueable happier http://www.mintel.com/press-centre/social-and-lifestyle/all-the-single-ladies-61-of-women-in-the-uk-are-happy-to-be-single-compared-to-49-of-men. Here is your “single people are happier” lady again https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/living-single/201701/is-it-true-sing…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 08:37 PM
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It doesn’t make them happy to end up alone with a child. Single motherhood is miserable and they produce miserable children. I think they should have children IF they find a partner who wants them every bit as much and is willing to accept in many ways it will be a shit deal for both. Otherwise she will end up unhappy and the kids will miserable. You men can’t have it both ways, “ma freedom” and “ma children”. The end result to that is always the same...my poor miserable children We were discuss…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:32 PM
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Well, women need to stop having them, unless they find a partner who wants them every bit as much and is willing to accept in many ways it will be a shit deal for both. Why should women stop doing what they prefer and what makes them happiest?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:54 PM
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Single women do just fine without children. Marriage is beneficial to women with children. Not having two parents is absolutely shit for kids. I don't know about the state of single women without children. I was referring to single women with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:51 PM
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Divide in half? Lol. Sorry can’t relate to this one. I made more than my husband , had invested in real estate in my late twenties before marriage and retired decades ago. And yes, my husband handed all the money over to me, because when it comes to investing and saving, I fucking slay! He got to retire early too so no complaints. Again, children are expensive. Very expensive, especially if their mother works. This is not about you. This is about entire populations and probability. Edit, you kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:18 PM
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Of course children cause stress. To both parents. But not having two parents is a huge stressor on the children. Marriage is for children. Single women without them do just fine. No, single women struggle and the research shows that children do worst when brought up by single mothers. Yes, marriage is beneficial for children and women. Let's not pretend otherwise. It's just not beneficial for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 03:04 PM
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It's not their money, for themselves. It's also their wife's and ex-wife's money, so they should divide that figure in at least half? 29 % of wives in marriages where both work make more money than their husbands. This seems a bit of hyperbole, lol Which means that in 71% of cases men earn more. Also, men are pretty low-maintenance if they are living on their own. Adding a woman to the mix increases their expenses exponentially, so even when a woman is earning more, most of the time the man is p…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:59 PM
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Women want children, and marriage is for the children. Women will live shorter more stressful lives, but they want children. So maybe it's the children causing their stress and not marriage. If anything, marriage alleviates women's stress, as we know that single mothers are more stressed than married mothers and that marriage provides the security that women crave. It gives them greater peace of mind. It's pretty obvious that marriage is good for women and bad for men, which is why there is alwa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:50 PM
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My earlier post “They live longer, are happier and make more money https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health Single women outlive married women . When you compare kids raised in single parent households, they are not even in the same ballpark. Kids raised in single parent households fair much much worse. Marriage is great for everyone but women” That's just propaganda that tries to sell correlation as causation, in order to sell marriage to men. As that debunking…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 02:33 PM
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I’m not really, I actually think it’s a better deal for men than women and I think women are more likely to get screwed by marriage. Then why are women the ones who always push for marriage and men the ones who resist it. Vitually every other study I’ve seen all point to more favorable outcomes for married men, this particular woman is a single women who scours for her own bias that single is better despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary This woman is one of the few people who are honest …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:59 PM
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Okay, you might be right, it’s odd the way she presents the info. It may appear odd because she is not deliberately misrepresenting the data in order to sell marriage to men, in the way that most articles that report on these studies do. She is more detailed, nuanced, accurate and critical about what these studies say. I have a question for you. You seem invested in trying to sell marriage to men. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:51 PM
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I did find the entire study as citedhttps://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hayward5/publication/233954625_Gender_the_Marital_Life_Course_and_Cardiovascular_Health_inLate_Midlife/links/59f87698a6fdcc075ec98639/Gender-the-Marital-Life-Course-and-Cardiovascular-Health-in-Late-Midlife.pdf Haven’t waded through it and I don’t think I took a single course in any social science ever, but I’m going to look. Yes, she did not misrepresent anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:49 PM
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Okay, you might be right, it’s odd the way she presents the info. It may appear odd because she is not purposely misrepresenting the data in order to sell marriage to men, in the way that most articles that report on these studies do. She is more detailed, nuanced and critical about what these studies say. I have a question for you. You seem invested in trying to sell marriage to men. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:44 PM
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Yep your right it’s mortality. But the woman psychologist everyone likes to cite appears to have misrepresented what this study was and what the implications were. I’ve looked into another she cited in another article and she appears to have misrepresented that data too Where has she misrepresented the data? I've corrected you on two occasions now, so you should be wary of being so certain that you have understood what she has written.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:47 AM
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https://academic.oup.com/gerontologist/article/46/2/266/655706 This is an article in the same year, by one of the same authors that was published, using the same data Edit: okay, these findings are limited to ages 51 to 60 only. Her findings are basically continually married, single and widowed once are all about equal in these ages, widowed only slightly behind. If you have been divorced, odds in these ages are worse, if you’ve been multiple divorces or being widowed multiple times are worse. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:41 AM
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Okay got to a pay wall, but did find an image of the first page https://i1.rgstatic.net/publication/233954625_Gender_the_Marital_Life_Course_and_Cardiovascular_Health_inLate_Midlife/links/59f87698a6fdcc075ec98639/largepreview.png Look at the page. This doesn’t make sense. It reiterates the findings of other studies that cardiovascular disease is 250 percent higher in singles. The study is showing how various health factors change from a baseline. Not the overall risk That's referring to mortalit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 06:21 AM
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Squid posted the same study , my response I saw her study but can’t see the actual results in her link, but the numbers she cites contradict the very conclusions of the study. Here is what she claims: 29, always-single men 33, widowed men 42, remarried men 46, continuously married men 50, divorced men She says lower number means better, but in the study, this is the stated conclusion “Results show that compared to continuously married persons, both men and women with a marital loss have signific…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 04:45 AM
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It is a good question. Here’s another. If it’s such a shit deal for men, why do they live longer and report being happier? https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health Why do married women die younger ? That's all propaganda trying to sell marriage to men. When you actually look under the hood of these studies, the chicanery is revealed. Marriage and Happiness: 18 Long-Term Studies. Getting married does not make you happier. Single Men Have Good Hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 01:50 AM
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Of course, personality is very important, taking for granted that the girl is physically attractive. Ideally, a low maintenance, emotionally independent, understated, quiet, sensible, thoughtful, supportive, genuine, humble and kind personality is best. I value my freedom and autonomy, so the less that is encroached upon the better. I don't like cloying emotional intimacy or intrusiveness. I would not be particularly interested in having deep conversations with her, though I would not necessaril…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 10:44 PM
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Certainly, the RP is symbolic of rejecting the mainstream narrative, à la The Matrix movie. However, in the manosphere, this rejection is generally focused on rejecting the mainstream narrative around gender dynamics. This focus may tangentially touch on some of the political topics you mentioned, such as LBGTQ matters and Islam, but only by implication. These areas are only relevant in as far as they relate to, impact and inform our understanding of issues around gender. When it comes to reject…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 05:35 PM
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I was waiting for you to throw in the word "frigid." That is lterally Victorian era thinking about female sexuality. I didn't throw in the word frigid and what I said has nothing to do with Victorian era thinking. I explained the sentence you were confused by. The bottom-line is that no man wants a cold partner who displays no enthusiam for or puts no effort into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 01:23 PM
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one would imagine that if she is capable of sexual frustration, then achieving orgasm is not going to be a problem. LOL wut? Sexual frustration describes continual sexual arousal without catharsis. It indicates that sexual desire is there, but that the opportunity to fulfil it isn't, like for an incel. So, a woman capable of sexual frustration must have a lot of sexual desire and subsequently good orgasmic potential. She's the opposite of asexual, where there is no desire, so her lover or husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 12:14 PM
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Men know that women can be fine having sex without an orgasm and just giving pleasure to their man. Oh jesus h Christ Let’s say your wife ends sex every time just before you orgasm. Let’s talk about how long it takes before you get sexually frustrated. “Take one for the team” implies your teammate is taking one for you too. So buck up, strap yourself in for ride, take the pill if you need to and don’t be quitter. Power through it, muscle cramps and all. She’ll repay the favor later. How is she t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/18 01:18 AM
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Why? Honesty. If she was faking orgasms before and now that is making it difficult for her not to fake them, she could say what she was doing and why she was doing it. Start on a new slate. That does not necessarily mean that she was not enjoying the sex before. But she wasn't faking them before. If she was faking them before she'd just fake them now. Okay, if she wasn't faking it before, but now can no longer orgasm, clearly something has changed within her. Obviously, she should seek medical h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 06:24 PM
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She could just say that she was faking it before Why? The past is what it was. No point lying and saying she didn't used to have fun. What aother aspect of reality is she supposed to lie about to keep his fragile ego safe? Why? Honesty. If she was faking orgasms before and now that is making it difficult for her not to fake them, she could say what she was doing and why she was doing it. Start on a new slate. That does not necessarily mean that she was not enjoying the sex before. or not pretend…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 05:24 PM
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Oh ha ha. If it isn't there when previously it used to be, eventually they work out it means they've become crap. And then they obsess. She could just say that she was faking it before or not pretend to begin with. She could let him know that she does not need or expect to always orgasm. She could also take more responsibility for her own orgasms by stimulating herself during sex, given the greater complexities and difficulties of women orgasming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:34 PM
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If the woman acts enthusiastic, the guy is going to be looking for that orgasm. No orgasm? Time after time? It will all end up centering around that orgasm or rather lack of it. So what's she supposed to do when he starts getting really into trying to wring an orgasm out of her and it just ain't gonna happen because she ain't turned on? What lie is she supposed to tell? A guy is not necessarily going to be looking for her to orgasm. It will depend on whether she insists on an orgasm or can have …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 04:15 PM
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I want some ppd feminist to disprove this assertion. MeToo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 03:51 PM
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No, there is not a necessary correlation between politics and pills, though some common patterns of association can emerge. The RP is simply concerned with gender realities. It is not ideological, even though people with right-wing views might be overrepresented in this space. The question is why are they overrepresented? It may just be because there is nothing in right-wing thought that prohibits them from agreeing with the ethos of the RP, whereas certain elements on the left are wary of enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 11:18 AM
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So women earn about 1,000 pounds more on average per year in their 20's and men earn about 8,000 pounds more on average per year in their 30's. Yes, but most of that extra £8000 probably goes towards the provisioning of women anyway, particularly if the men are married or have childcare responsibilities. Obviously, if a man is married, that money is legally also his wife's money. Moreover, men often work harder and earn more money in order to provide for others. It's not as if this money is excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 10:10 AM
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It's been shown that having children increases men's quality of life, while each child (at least after the first) decreases women's quality of life. I'd be wary of studies that claim to measure men's happiness. There are quite a few bogus ones out there. There is a persistent determination in society to sell domesticity and family life to men, for social maintenance purposes, so one should always be wary of dubious findings that men are happier once domesticated. Also, based on the article you p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 08:37 AM
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If sex is not a marital duty then neither is sexual fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 07:10 AM
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Well put! Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/18 06:49 AM
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Yes, that's where the advice to lie back and think of England comes from. What changed was feminism's influence in portraying sexual intercourse as symbolic of men's oppression of women, a violating act and an unjustified expectation on the part of men, whatever the circumstances. People like Andrea Dworkin where very influential in the promotion of this message. She even wrote a book called Intercourse expressing these very views. Feminists who shared this outlook where a big part of the second…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 08:43 PM
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There are probably many reasons for this but I think that the primary reason is that society has made it clear that it does not care about men's wellbeing. That's why when someone like Jordan Peterson comes along and shows concern, he is a huge hit amongst men and a strong motivating force, in spite of his flaws. I think that what men should do is stop apologizing for who they are and live whatever life they want to live. They should take their lead from their own developed rational capacities a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/18 10:12 AM
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Nope, just an accurate description of the way in which men disappoint women ... and women react to that disappointment. It's their own fault for having such inflated and unrealistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 07:17 PM
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People here (sometimes not all the time) like to categorize things as “complaining” because it’s a way to dismiss what the other person may be saying. If you’re here enough you can see the subtleties in language designed to dismiss or suggest a lack of credibility. Not really related to your main point or OP but that’s what you first graf reminded me of. Yes, this happens too, although sometimes it can be justified. There are people with a proclivity to complain about all and sundry who deserve …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 01:02 PM
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A complaint does not necessarily mean an expectation of compliance, although it can come with that expectation. A complaint is an expression of dissatisfaction or discontent, but some people seem to think that any form of criticism is a complaint, which is simply not the case. One can be critical without personally being dissatisfied or discontent. In the context of a forum like this, I think the purpose of a complaint is to vent, as well as seek understanding, answers and sympathy from others. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 11:29 AM
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Well if you read the OP, I am arguing given the premise that gender and as an extension gender roles, are indeed an oppressive social construct. I disagree with that premise as well. But we are again having this discussion given this presupposition. When it comes down to it, freedom of choice feminists still lament the gender pay gap. This “gap” cannot close without changing male and female preferences for gender roles. It’s then seen as matter of fact that feminism is at odds with gender roles.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 03:15 AM
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What makes you think gender roles are chosen in a vacuum? If gender is an oppressive social construct then gender roles are something assigned to you and encouraged from birth, not something voluntarily chosen. I didn't say that gender roles are chosen in a vacuum. No human preference or choice occurs in a vacuum. Obviously, traditional gender roles emerged out of an earlier period when the division of labour between men and women was a necessity. That's no longer the case today, so people have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/18 02:18 AM
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I always find these claims interesting because I can see the logic. Can you really be "woke" if you even prefer a submissive housewife? If woke means enlightened, this does not hinge on whether an individual prefers a submissive housewife or not. In this respect, woke just means having awareness. Taking leftists claims at face value here, that would mean you prefer gender roles; something tyrannical and oppressive by nature. Is there an ethical way to prefer something oppressive? Gender roles ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 11:15 PM
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I'm opposed to any kind of authoritarianism, as well as being pro free speech and anti-censorship, so this is a very easy choice for me. I choose freedom over all. I'm not a tradcon, so were a tradcon society imposed from above, I would just be a rebel or secretly live a double life. I also prefer porn over a tradcon existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 10:01 PM
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Thank you so much for chiming in! You are a very sensible perspective that adds much value to this thread. Kudos and blessings to you! Thank you. My pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 08:58 PM
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What's an example of how they learn differently? Is it about "boys will be boys" and turning a blind eye to some amount of competitiveness and rowdiness? There are many things, from how much energy boys have and how long they are able to sit still and pay attention, to differences in how boys and girls best absorb information or disparities in the level of encouragement typically needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 06:02 PM
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Inflated expectations is the problem. Both men and women are sold a fantasy that is not based in reality, but on feel-good wishful thinking and indoctrination, which is why people become disillusioned and disappointed when they encounter the reality. The fact is that men and women are naturally different and that romantic relationships are not based on love or altruism, but on attraction and self-interest, from which affection or "love" can emerge. The sooner people are adults about this and acc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 05:01 PM
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I might agree that the system is feminized in some sense, but I don't think it's because of feminism. I think the education system is designed to get math and reading knowledge into kids' heads, and it does it the best way teachers know how. Sitting at a desk and listening, or cooperating nicely in groups, are not stereotypically masculine activities, but there's no way around it. Do you have an alternative proposal? The best way we know is to have single-sex schools. The research shows that boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 04:09 PM
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Both contribute to the nice guy mind-set. Obviously, the idea of being a gentleman, well-behaved or ashamed of sex does not originate with feminism. Chivalry, good manners and Puritanism have clearly been around much longer. However, this is not the basis of the feminized nice guy, as evidenced by the absence of the phenomenon prior to feminism. It is only a contributing factor. A key factor in the emergence of the feminized nice guy is the demonization and shaming of masculinity and men. This i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 02:56 PM
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I'm sincerely curious: what do you think a woman's motivation is to file a false report of rape? There are a lot of unbalanced, stupid and wicked women out there. One should not think in terms of mentally sound or reasonable women when trying to understand the motivation behind false rape accusations. That's one of the problems with many women and men who blindly believe accusers. They think, well I wouldn't do that and no one I know would, therefore any woman who makes such an accusation must b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/18 12:31 PM
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I do, thanks :) How's that going?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 09:04 PM
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Yeah, wow. I've started realizing this myself as well. I used to be very condescending towards things I saw as trivial or common. But life is so difficult for us all, whatever helps people get by a bit here and there, I understand. Made it 15 seconds in the video. As soon as I see "GO xyz", I get triggered. I've made a stride here, but that is too much lol. If that's all it takes to trigger you, you should see a therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 07:58 PM
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However, sport more generally, as opposed to fandom, is less objectively trivial than Cosmo magazine, The Kardashians™ or Fifty Shades of Gray, for some of the reasons I mentioned earlier. Oh come on, you seem like a very smart person. Maybe more objectively trivial to you as a man, but I'm certain you could think of noble and virtuous seeming reasons why woman would be into these things as well. I could and I have no interest in them. No, I think it's safe to say that the phenomenon of sport is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 07:56 PM
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I am annoyed slightly because I thought I had it figured out all these years. I appreciate the perspective. I'm still never fucking a man who buys jerseys, sports figurines and paints his face. Though to be honest, I'm sure I could think of an artistic, lofty and noble reason why the majority of women buy cosmo magazine, love the kardashians and read fifty shades of grey like it's the bible. It's still unattractive behavior in the majority of the population, regardless of the reason. But I like …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 05:29 PM
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Well damn. Um. Hm. Yes, it's good to be aware of our own ignorance and show some humility. We should not be so arrogant to believe that we have all the answers and incredulous when others differ in opinion. They may have good reason to differ and we could be wrong. Tolerance of and curiosity in different perspectives, is a better indication of intelligence than intolerance and lack of curiosity, as is humility over arrogant certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 04:47 PM
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I don't mind playing sports. But cheering for other men doing physical activity in tight shorts? No, that's really sad. You sit there and watch millionaires excercise while cheering on your couch with your beer belly hanging out? No. Watching sport performed at the highest level is far more than that. It is a display of what is humanly possible, both mentally and physically, when a human being dedicates their life to mastering an activity and pushes themselves to the limits of what is humanly po…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 04:26 PM
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The female sacrificial equivalent would have to be something that women really desire, want or need that irritates men, such as cloying emotional intimacy or as much of men's time. Men suppressing their natural desire for variety and giving up all other sexual outlets, requires a sacrifice equally as big from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/18 03:47 PM
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Of course they can. That's silly to say they can't - it depends on the degree of 'drunk'. eg. If a guy is so drunk he can't resist, speak coherently etc when another guy comes and pulls his trousers down and has sex with him - the drunk guy is not consenting. eg. If a woman is drunk and dancing with a guy and they decide to go upstairs and have sex, and she makes it obvious she is consenting (verbally, physically etc) - she is consenting. Well, unfortunately, some people do seem to think that yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 01:16 AM
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I disagree that the standard that drunk people (incapacitated drunk) cannot consent is a minority perspective. It's not a universally accepted standard, but I don't think it's the minority. I think there are a huge amount of people who believe that drunk people cannot consent. But a lot of lawmakers (at least in the US) are a bit conservative compared to the all lot of the citizens. I didn't refer to incapacitated drunk when talking about the minority view. I just talked about being drunk. To cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 09:30 PM
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Okay, so we agree that a drunk person can consent to sex. Good, because some people seem to be of the view that they can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:53 PM
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No, it's a question of whether a person has or can have agency whilst drunk It generally takes a lot of alcohol to lower someone’s inhibitions and agency to this point. If you’re slurring speech and stumbling around the room, I think it’s safe to say you’re not fit to make any big decisions. The problem is that everyone is affected differently - there can’t practically be a set rule that says after X number drinks you shouldn’t do Y. This is why you see zero tolerance guidelines for consent and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 08:49 PM
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If a drunk person wants to drive, they are deciding to commit a crime/hypothetically hurt themselves. If a drunk person says yes to sex, and another person has sex with them, then that person decides to commit a crime and hurt someone else. I think this is an important distinction. No, it's a question of whether a person has or can have agency whilst drunk; whether they can be held accountable, responsible or even partially accountable or responsible for their actions. It is not a universally ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 07:02 PM
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On some level, a person has to want to drive to drive. A person doesn't have to want sex for someone to take advantage of their incapacitation. But if a drunk person can want to drive, can't a drunk person also want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 06:30 PM
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Amongst the general population, I do think that men have a richer internal cognitive existence than women, which may be what these studies are reflecting. I think this arises from a greater detached fascination with and appreciation of the universe. Ironically, men's greater internal emotional responses in these studies may actually derive from stronger rationality. Emotional expression is a different matter altogether and is not necessarily linked to genuine emotion, even though it can be. It c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 03:59 PM
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I don't read any of the RP subs you mention, but I just like the fact that men can discuss some of their thoughts free of censorship and outside of the BP paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 02:31 PM
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Generally, I think face matters more. However, in your comparison, face is less of a factor because the less attractive face still qualifies as pretty, so the fact that she has the better body could put her ahead of the prettier face with the average body. Also, once two women qualify as pretty, subjectivity is going to come into more, when determining who is prettier, than if one of them were ugly or just ordinary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 02:24 PM
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Men are more interested in discussing ideas and phenomenon. They are more contemplative, philosophical, rational and intellectually curious. Also, the anonymity of the internet provides greater freedom for ideas and phenomenon to be discussed, free of the censure and negative consequences that can arise in public life when contentious or controversial issues are explored. The internet is one of the last bastions of free speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 01:11 PM
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How convenient it must be for men to verbally claim that they love a woman, yet shy away from the responsibilities that loving someone brings. It’s very easy to claim to love and hold a fondness for someone if you never actually have to do anything to show it. The only way that they’ll know that you actually love them, is if you show it. I wonder if men would be satisfied with a woman that claims to hold a deep affection for them, yet does whatever she likes and treats him however she likes anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 06:20 PM
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Love is not merely a feeling. The true definition of love involves the actions that accompany it. And by leaving, the man has shown by his actions that he does not love her. Talk is cheap. He can claim from now till death that he loves her and he could still have feelings of fondness for her, but the required display of that love (which would be to stay with her) is not there. Which means he no longer loves her. Ergo, male love is conditional like everyone else’s. Also not sure why the way someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/18 10:16 AM
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No point arguing with a hamster, just makes you both look dumb The reality is that you have no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:21 PM
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Firstly, I wouldn't say that women's relationships are emotionally deeper than men's. They are just different. Often, women's relationships can be forced, fake and shallow, whereas men will not force the issue and try to fabricate an emotional bond when one is not there. The difference is caused by a combination of biology and culture. However, I would say that biology is the bigger factor, as this precedes and outlasts culture. Male and female friendships will vary from culture to culture, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 11:17 PM
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ok So no counter-argument? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:22 PM
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Finding her beautiful is still a condition. I could unconditionally love a man as long as he's always rich and hot and funny and caring. Same thing. No, because physical beauty is a function of one's being, rather than one's behaviour. It inspires affection from its mere existence and requires no sustained effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 10:13 PM
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Lol under these specific conditions men love unconditionally 🙄 Beauty does not have to mean a perfect 10 supermodel. It could equally mean the mere appreciation of what a woman is. People see beauty in all sorts of phenomenon, including the biological phenomenon of women. To unconditionally love something is to accept it for what it is, rather than seek to change it to what one wants. I think that this is something that men do better than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:33 PM
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However, if he was behaving perfectly reasonably and she left because his behaviour did not meet some ideal she had in her mind; that would be conditional. Okay, and how is that different than a man leaving because she gained weight? Because gaining a couple of hundred pounds is extreme. One could make up any extreme and call it a condition, but that would be similarly trivial to the condition of existence. It's a question of what is reasonable. In this particular case, I would at least expect t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 09:16 PM
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Also, leaving a girlfriend does not mean that a man does not still love her Then why does a woman leaving her boyfriend mean that her love was only conditional? It doesn't necessarily. It would depend on why she left. If she left because of extreme behaviour that was endangering her health and wellbeing, that would be one thing and perfectly reasonable, not conditional. However, if he was behaving perfectly reasonably and she left because his behaviour did not meet some ideal she had in her mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:59 PM
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Also, leaving a girlfriend does not mean that a man does not still love her Then why does a woman leaving her boyfriend mean that her love was only conditional? It doesn't necessarily. It would depend on why she left. If she left because of extreme behaviour that was endangering her health and wellbeing, that would be one thing and perfectly reasonable, not conditional. However, if he was behaving perfectly reasonably and she left because his behaviour did not meet some ideal she had in her mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 08:55 PM
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Men will associate it with that person forever. Most men do not. How many men do you see staying with their girlfriends when gain a couple hundred pounds? Gaining a couple of hundred pounds is a bit extreme, but most men do not leave girlfriends if they get a bit chubby. Also, leaving a girlfriend does not mean that a man does not still love her. When we think of conditional, we generally think more in terms of behaviour, not merely being. Beauty isn't a state of being. There's a lot of upkeep t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:58 PM
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Beauty inspires that kind of idealistic love in men though Okay, and beauty doesn't last forever. It's a condition in itself. It doesn't need to last forever. Men will associate it with that person forever. It's a condition in the respect that something has to exist to receive love, but this is a trivial observation, as even something that you would characterize as unconditional love, requires that the recipient meet the condition of existence. When we think of conditional love, we generally thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 06:22 PM
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Men love idealistically and women love conditionally That must be why all the fatties with hearts of gold are with super models, right? Because men love so idealistically. Beauty inspires that kind of idealistic love in men though. It doesn't have to perform. Its mere existence compels it, like a beautiful painting or sunset. It's this which is behind the phenomenon of the muse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 04:14 PM
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Of course. Men have always been protective of women. It's an instinct that does not stem from consciously wanting sex, but from being enchanted by women's vulnerability and neoteny, in the same way that this is also true for both men and women in relation to children. When it comes to personality, men are also charmed by attributes like selfless bravery and genuine kindness in women. They will certainly prefer such women as people, over a beautiful and wealthy woman who has a selfish and unkind …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/18 03:25 PM
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Q4M: What is something that women need to improve on when they are interacting with you? Getting to the point and talking less generally. Being less emotionally needy and attention seeking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 09:59 PM
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In your dreams you did. Atleast you can admit your short comings. I know. Talent. I dont thing id call it that. A strawman is not a counter-argument. Might want to take your own advice there. Oh the irony. Careful now. Using all your vocab words. You might run out. Another underwhelming reply. Yes because that one was so full of wit. Why not? Not every comment has to be of material significance in the presentation of an argument. It can just be related commentary. Its called staying relevant to …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 01:09 AM
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What a load of BP nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 12:55 AM
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I did. You just gotta try harder. In your dreams you did. Yes we know you are but that's okay. No, you know you are. How very original and creative. How do you come up with this stuff? I know. Talent. No it's not. Not all communication is verbal. If there's no difference for you between sexual harrasment and talking then is it okay if a gay guy without consent inserted his penis in a straight guy's ass? A strawman is not a counter-argument. You have the problem, not me. You keep claiming im wrog…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 12:29 PM
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Destroy hypergamy and sexism? No, these arise from biology and real biological differences between men and women. Would it free men? Yes, to some degree it would, if it became accessible. It would be another option. Men, of course, would still want sex, but they would not have to involve a woman (or another man) to reproduce. By this time, sex technology may also have advanced enough for men not to even need women when it came to sex either. Would it free women? Yes, to some degree, as it could …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/18 04:52 AM
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Unfortunately, you are right to be concerned. Western society is very sensitive about men interacting with unrelated children and there are no shortage of stories where men are wrongfully accused of an intention to sexually assault a child. Some airlines even have policies against seating men next to unrelated children. It's probably better to always be on the safe side and not get involved or notify someone else if it is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 02:51 PM
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Well, there is no cosmic force that determines what is right. The amoral natural order creates competitive tension. It is up to individuals to resolve this, even though these tensions never disappear. Men and women simply have different and competing optimal mating strategies, the truth of which women seem to find disconcerting. I don't know if it's possible for honesty to become the norm, given the natural unease caused by uncertainty, as well as people's inclination to reassure those that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 05:59 PM
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The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it - George Bernard Shaw. As I said, there may well be more honesty, than is typical between men and women, in your relationship. I'm not in a position to tell either way. My only point is that such relationships are atypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:15 PM
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Believe me I do, he's 100% him with me, boo If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:51 AM
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Yes exactly but not for long since I can still get him to even admit he fell asleep durring the movie lol. That's hardly an admission. Btw he thinks it's sad so many men can't be themselves with their girlfriends / wives , he says it's not right. Yeah well, they want to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 06:51 AM
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Well then maybe I am lucky since I don't see anything wrong with the way my sausage gets made tbh Assuming you know how it gets made.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 03:08 AM
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What's I'm saying here is that any sort of being insincere is only being done under explicit terms. Perhaps, but I don't think anyone can completely know another person. There will always be some things that remain concealed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:52 AM
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Then I feel even more lucky than I did before which is hard lol Maybe you are, maybe not. Most women seem to prefer the fantasy and fakeness. Not everyone wants to see how the sausage is made. The truth can hurt. Most women don't appear to be able to handle the truth about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:28 AM
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For sure but one could be very highly future oriented and think about future situations a lot. Yes, but human beings are flawed and fallible. No amount of effort can stop human error and failure when it comes to trying to predict the future of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:25 AM
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Some of the time is still more than what is necessary if you could comfortably really be yourself. I leave "role playing" and such not to maintain relationship but to spice it up now and then I'm not talking about role playing. I'm talking about insincerity and concealment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 02:16 AM
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I agree many modern relationships are fake but I believe in there being many genuine ones, Mine included. Thank for aknowledging it might be the case. I would say that such relationships are in a minority. Like a really small minority. Patrice O'Neal’s relationship looked to be pretty honest, but one almost never sees such honesty from men. It's a very rare thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:52 AM
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No one can predict what's happening inside of someone else's brain entirely , but you can be close. People don't even know what they themselves will be like in the future or how they might react to certain events, so a third party is in no position to guarantee anything. Human beings are not omniscient. They are primarily ignorant, about practically everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:47 AM
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Again. You don't know my fiance and I doubt he thinks of how he is with me as performing. He isn't always tryin to be stoic, or isn't always trying to please me, and isn't always holding back his emotions. Just how he is. It doesn't have to be always, but at least some of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 01:41 AM
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Let's be real here. You do not know my man or our relationship. I can tell you him and I have something special maybe because I don't detect an ounce of lying to appease me whatsoever. I want to hear what he really thinks. The way you do this is by always letting them say what they think without undue consequences. It's easy as a woman to not train men to just say what those women want to hear by not being a total freak bitch cunt when they're honest. Could be. There are some honest relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:56 AM
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There's so much more behind those divorce rates than that. It's hard to test relying on others sure. But you should be picking someone who is reliable and if you haven't that's shitty because there are reliable ones out there who want to love and be loved. Some things simply cannot be predicted reliably.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:51 AM
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If a man couldn't say to me with honesty that he felt comfortable around me and didn't need to "perform" to keep me happy, I'd feel unsatisfied with the relationship tbh. Why? Because I am failing him as his wife by him not being comfortable enough with me to be authentic. All men perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 12:50 AM
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You should be able to rely on your partner when you are weak. If she does not pass when you do test her loyalty under those conditions, she is not worthy of marriage IMO. What one thinks should be the case and what is the case are two different things. Obviously, in an ideal world people would like to be able to rely on others. However, in the real world, testing reliability is a much more difficult proposition, which is why 50% of marriages end in divorce and many that remain intact are unhappy…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 11:19 PM
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Sure but you should be able to rely on your partner not running in the opposite direction if you want to drop the act for a bit now and then eh?? Yes, but one must still act, at least some of the time. Idk tho. My fiance doesn't need to "act" or "perform" much for me either way heh You wouldn't know. I would say that most BP men, a lot of the time, adopt the habit of telling women what they think they want to hear, rather than what they really think. The difference with the RP man is that he jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 11:04 PM
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Also, great strawman there. I'm talking about a man being himself, not being emotional for the sake of his women feeling like he's emotional or something. If a woman wants an emotional man she should date one. If men are exhausted by expressing his emotion then don't do so spontaneously. If your vision of being yourself involves unauthentically being the way women want you to be, then it's not what im talking about. Is anyone ever really themselves, other than when they are alone? There is proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 10:49 PM
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The OP in question is holding back from basic things as a way to avoid being in her frame and it sounds exhausting and unauthentic. If being an open book isn't your authentic self that's not what I'm referring to. It's not always bad to hold back and have some self-control, especially when certain emotional or hormonal responses can be deceiving and self-sabotaging. It's not necessarily inauthentic either, because one is using one's own rational mind to master one's imagined instincts, towards a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 10:40 PM
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Ok I still don't see the point of being with a person in marriage if you can't be yourself with them. Sounds exhausting A man can be himself, but that does not mean he has to be an entirely open book and let his woman know every uncertainty and insecurity that crosses his mind. What useful purpose would that serve? There are many other purposes to LTRs and marriages than having someone act as an emotional blanket for your thoughts. Emotional intimacy is more of a female desire anyway, probably d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 08:35 PM
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Just be an eternal plate spinner if you want sex and company. Being an eternal plate spinner can be less convenient than having at least one stable girl. Tbh, I think compassion, assistance, and affection are all accompanying "entering her frame" or "being emotional" or "beta quslities" or "weakness" (aka being a human being) and are all attributed to being at least partially authentic about your own feelings. So yeah you're just supporting my point there. I meant the man's compassion and affect…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 06:38 PM
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Ugh what would be the point of LTRing a woman who cannot tolerate "weakness" (aka being a human being) Compassion, sex, company, assistance, affection..... There could be any number of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 06:06 PM
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That doesn't make any sense. Try harder. I believe in you. Try explaining yourself. Wrong. Yes we know you are but that's okay. No, you know you are. Well done, you can quote a dictionary, but that does not address what constitutes agreeing, allowing or permitting something to happen or be done. Anything short of a yes is a no. The problem with people who dont know that is that they dont want to accept it. Did they not teach that in your school? No it's not. Not all communication is verbal. Do y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 04:09 PM
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Keep her around if you like her, but don't descend into BP cuckoldry. Remember that there is no magic. This is biology, so don't lose your mind and get too carried away in the moment. If she detects weakness or neediness, it's more likely than not that this will adversely affect her attraction towards you. Have a happy and full life independent of her, so that she is more of a beneficial add-on, than central to your existence. I recommend you listen to The Black Phillip Shows, starting with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/18 12:36 PM
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Financial success is a means to an end. It is not an end in itself. There is no intrinsic or meaningful value in being financially successful. It is merely a tool that can increase one's options and freedom. For men, that's an especially important factor when it comes to mating opportunities. It's less important for women because men are not hypergamous. From a male perspective, throwing one's income away, in this context, is better illustrated by the idea of using it where it is not needed or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/18 06:32 PM
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Why would it be stupid if I wasn't apathetic? Because it would give weight to the idea that your facts are your feelings. That doesn't make any sense. Yes I have. Circular reasoning. Wrong. Yes, we do need a definition of consent. consent verb con·sent \kən-ˈsent\ : to agree to do or allow something : to give permission for something to happen or be done Well done, you can quote a dictionary, but that does not address what constitutes agreeing, allowing or permitting something to happen or be do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 08:35 PM
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It would be stupid if I weren't what? Apathetic Why would it be stupid if I wasn't apathetic? I don't have to prove anything, but I have laid out my case adequately and far better than you have yours. Actually you have provided no such case and no criteria by which you judge yours to be "better" other than tribal mentality. Yes I have. It depends on the context and how you characterize consent. Do you need the definition of consent? Yes, we do need a definition of consent. Can you name an instan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 11:50 AM
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Men should not be expected to control their sexual urges any more than women are. Moreover, men should have as much leeway in sexualizing an environment as women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:40 AM
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you did it No I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 04:10 PM
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Pardon my forwardness, but that's a whole lot it words to say nothing. Your forwardness is excused.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 04:08 PM
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maybe you shouldnt talk to everyone on reddit like they didnt go to college How does what I said do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 03:50 PM
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What is The Good Place? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Place Okay, never heard of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 09:24 AM
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i minored in philosophy and have a BA in religion. did you just take a fun class recently? No, I have a BA in philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 09:21 AM
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If ethics is a topic of debate even among philosophers then there is no objective morality. P.S. Watching The Good Place don't make you smart. Whether there is an objective morality is part of the debate of ethics. The debate itself neither confirms nor denies the possibility of an objective morality. As we both agree, it is a debate, not a consensus. However, again, this is all beside the point of my response to Atlas. What is The Good Place?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 03:10 AM
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there are profound biological differences between the genders; that, generally speaking, there is a male nature and female nature that are distinct. See, that would be a pretty big problem with me. First of all, virtually no RPer actually comes to their worldview with objective and observations. Usually it seems to be more about anger and dehumanizing/vilifying women then any persuit of truth. Secondly, and more importantly, I want my SO to judge my nature based on my actions, but his idea if wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 03:04 AM
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You yourself called it a debate. Yes. I didn't identify a "correct" position. I said that ethics was a topic of interest, independent of any desire for approval. I was challenging Atlas_B_Shruggin's assumption that asking ethical questions must mean that one is seeking approval.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:43 AM
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The existence of normative ethical standards is a staple debate in philosophy Exactly. It's still a debate within philosophy and has been ever since philosophy existed. So why you tryna act like it's an open and shut case? Why are you strawmanning me and missing the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:37 AM
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who cares what kant said? a 4th grade rnow knows more abotu the world that he did even by his death bed lol A lot of people care what Kant said. Not because of who he was, but because his argumentation is so good. That's why he is considered one of the greatest philosophers of all time and is so widely studied. In any case, the point is that people are interested in ethical questions, independent of any personal search for approval. 4th graders learning what past great thinkers have discovered d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:30 AM
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lol kant hey kiddo, i went to college too! there is no universal "human" ethics to which to appeal, its all crypto christian garbage This is all beside the point that ethical questions are of interest, independent of any desire for approval. I could just as likely have referenced another great philosopher, David Hume, who shared your view that there are no ontological ethical standards. The point does not hinge on agreement or disagreement with Kant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/18 02:25 AM
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Yes congratulations you're very clever I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:40 PM
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Wow congrats on passing phil101 Kant's moral philosophy is not phil101. It is a masterpiece of argumentation, whether one agrees with him or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:26 PM
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Theres no such thing as normative or universal "ethics" without cosmic justice The existence of normative ethical standards is a staple debate in philosophy and one in which many great philosophers, such as Immanuel Kant, would disagree with you, hence the categorical imperative: "Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law." One need not agree with him or others, but ethics and ethical questions are topics of justified and great…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 11:12 PM
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what do you people mean when you say "ok" already ok to whom? god? your mom? Muh Societee? who cares do whatever you want thats not illegal or that you can take the consequences for do you think youre going to get "Women" to tell you its ok? no Why do you always assume that people are looking for approval when they ask questions about ethics? Have you no intellectual curiosity about ethical questions outside of how it affects you personally?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 10:49 PM
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Of course it's ok. It's also ok for people to call you an asshole if they don't like the way you treat them or others. Why the need for approval? Asking a moral question does not mean that one is seeking approval. The field of ethics in philosophy is all about asking these type of moral questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 10:45 PM
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I don't know about that. If you realise that all women are assholes and only out to take advantage of you, it pushes to a response. This goes to what I said earlier in this thread. "I think that it is mainly BPers who intentionally and unintentionally misunderstand the RP. I wouldn't pay too much attention if they are trolling or arguing in bad faith."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 10:17 PM
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whatthe its like marrying a man and then him becoming redpilled afterwards, any thought? Literally the first discussion point in the OP. Yes, and like I said, there is not one effect of or response to the RP. It could go in the woman's favour or it could go against her, depending on how the man reacts to swallowing the RP. Essentially it comes down to how anyone might react to having more knowledge, money or power. All of these things can be used for good or evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 10:10 PM
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RP men recognized their innate desire for women was compelling them to appeal to them. They realized that women aren't interested in their struggle to make her like him so they decide to stop being nice to women altogether. Women don't respond, so they decide to have nothing to do with them altogether. Women still don't respond, so they blame society, one that they say they built for the benefit of women, for giving women the ability to not have to respond. Something they see as no different tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 09:19 PM
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This is all fine, but does not address the central point of the OP, which is about a woman's experience when her husband discovers RP..... But in debating the theory, as we do here at PPD, the lack of understanding is fair game for discussion. My reply does address the central point of the OP. She wanted to know why a man turns red and what it is like being married to a man who was blue and then turns red. I explained why men become red and that there is not a universal response when this happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 09:15 PM
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If your girlfriend is attracted to your edgelordiness, then she is not a NAWALT. NAWALTs don't require men to perform and generally don't exist. Basically, you are getting oneitis, but remember that much of this just stems from your irrepressible biological attraction to her neoteny and sexuality. It's not because she is special. She is simply an attractive woman to you, on whom you may be projecting profound women are wonderful characteristics that don't actually exist in reality. It's at times…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 05:15 PM
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It's not just about the looks, it's also about the behaviour. Whether a "good man" buys or not will also depend on other important factors, such as social pressure, indoctrination and incentives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 04:13 PM
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I’m glad to see someone else who understands this TRP is often misunderstood and it’s all lumped in as an ideology when in reality it’s just a recognition of reality with many different philosophies women tend to trash it though because it stops men from being their doormats and encourages a healthy codependent relationship between men and women I think that it is mainly BPers who intentionally and unintentionally misunderstand the RP. I wouldn't pay too much attention if they are trolling or ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:35 PM
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Excellent said. Thank you. It's funny that the term "Red-Pilled" stopped meaning the emancipated human (man or woman) who has deep knowledge of gender dynamics and uses their reason before they make crucial choices in their love life, e.g. getting married. It now means the manipulative dick due to the idiots larping on r/TheRedPill. It's like the term "Incel", which used to mean "involuntarily celibate" (that's what "In" and "Cel" abbreviations stand for after all in that word), but now it means…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 03:30 PM
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Swallowing the RP, whether that means being a TRPer, RPW, MGTOW, MRA, PUA or none of these, essentially just means that you believe there are profound biological differences between the genders; that, generally speaking, there is a male nature and female nature that are distinct. It does not describe how you respond to this information. You could be a faithful married RPer or a single RPer who spins plates. There is not one prescribed mode of behaviour. The RP is simply about uncovering the unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/18 02:04 PM
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It would be stupid if you weren't. The discussion is about the movement and not me. It would be stupid if I weren't what? Yes, the discussion is about the me too movement. Is there a reason you are stating the obvious? On the contrary. I've already exposed your arguments. It's not my fault if you have rudimentary comprehension skills. Actually you have yet to prove that i do. You can't even seem to give a way to agree on the definition of neurotic because you know you'd be proven wrong. Besides …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 01:05 PM
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Do you think it is impossible for men and women to really understand each other? En masse? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 11:48 PM
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Fair. Although I will say that just because choices aren't made based on instinct, doesn't mean they are smart or good. Sometimes the emotionally-driven choice is actually the smarter or better one. Yes, a choice not based on instinct does not entail that it is a superior or inferior choice. That will be determined by the goal one hopes to achieve by that choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 10:12 PM
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Well then, it would seem we disagree. Naturally, I'm red and you're blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 09:16 PM
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I guess I just put less stock in "base, instinctual desires" than terps do. From what I see, they usually don't win. I beg to differ. I think base instincts are the main drivers when it comes to sexual attraction and mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 09:10 PM
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"no one"? Dude, the VAST majority of RP posts are about how women have a "true nature" that is biological, inevitable, and unvaried. Which is, among other things, a vastly simplified baby-caveman understanding of biology. (TRP also likes to forget that pheromones exist, but shhh) Yes, women have a nature, but that's not the same as saying that every decision they make is determined by biology. We are biological beings, so many of our impulses do come from biology, such as the frequency of our de…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 08:56 PM
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I don't think anyone believes or would argue that there are NO biological impacts to our decision making processes. Just that it isn't Everything. (also, it's hilarious that this argument is run to the ground when it comes to sex and dating, but biological impulses are overridden CONSTANTLY in nonsexual situations. It's our biological impulse to eat huge quantities of calorie-dense, high-fat food when possible, to put on weight in case of famine, and yet not everyone is super-obese, even with bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 07:42 PM
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"there are absolutely no biological impulses involved in dating" =/= "you can choose not to give in to some biological impulses some of the time" Yes, one can choose not to give in to some biological impulses, but that does not mean one escapes them altogether. Sometimes biology "does override personal choices in intelligent humans" and most of the time our choices are heavily influenced by our biology, despite whatever pretentions we might have that they are purely rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 06:59 PM
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Yes the lengthy response screams of apathy. I'm apathetic about you, but not society. The fact that I discuss a given issue on a public forum does not mean I care about the opinion of the person I am discussing the issue with. I've never cared about the opinion of anyone I have discussed an issue with on this forum. However, I enjoy exposing arguments and provoking onlookers to think more critically about some of the discussions they witness here. Sometimes I also like to educate people. Backed …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/18 06:40 PM
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What’s IOI? Indication of interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:58 PM
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Biology doesn't override personal choices in intelligent humans. So many of the RP "stories" sound like many only interact with low class people with low FTO. "If middle class feminists think they conduct their love lives perfectly rationally, without any instinctual influences from biology, they are imbeciles." Camille Paglia.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 11:42 PM
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Why the assumption that a LTR/marriage automatically leads to happiness? It's mostly propaganda driven. Authorities and media outlets spend billions promoting marriage and LTRs. It's all-pervasive. Obviously, that repetitive messaging is going to indoctrinate a lot of people, despite evidence to the contrary, which is usually concealed and obscured.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 09:44 PM
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Im not playing dumb....... If you want to believe that the me too movement is not predominantly targeting men and being driven by women, that's up to you. I don't care either way. As proven above not only men are accused and strides are beig made to obtain due process for all. Keep kidding yourself. Telling people to "fuck off" is sometime effective but the problem is that the act has been done..... The act may already have been done, but it is not some major crime that requires redress. People …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/18 05:36 PM
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The me too movement is being driven by women and feminists. How so?because males dont speak up? The movement encourages everyone to do so. You can play dumb all you want, but the facts speak for themselves. as justice must also include justice for men, which means that there must be due process. Due process is exactly the goal of the movement. Thats why lawsuits are being filed,evidence is being gathered. Just believing women or having your reputation and life ruined over an accusation is not du…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 09:33 AM
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I mean that's fine, I'm not advocating that you should respect or like non-clingy girls. I understand the appeal of clingy girls, I just don't understand why you would respect them. Like, a girl being clingy makes you admire her and want to defer to her? That's weird to me. Respecting someone does not necessarily mean that you will defer to them. I have no particular preference for clingy girls, but there is a level of honesty and humility about them that is admirable. So many women out there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:08 PM
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Yep it’s insanely broken But rectifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:01 PM
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I don't think TRP has a stance towards transgender people. However, any stance should be based on the reality of the matter, not strategic convenience. On that score, the fact that there are male and female brains, does not necessarily entail that people can be born with the wrong body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 02:46 PM
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Let’s say she’s a girly girl who is very feminine and cuddly and submissive but she comes home one day and announces she’s won a Nobel Prize in physics thanks to her discoveries regarding dark matter. What kind of feelings arise in your body? Be precise. I'd be happy for her, but that in itself would not win my respect. I'd be more impressed and have more respect for the fact that she remained a feminine, cuddly and submissive person, despite winning such a prize or being in this line of work. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 01:57 PM
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What makes a man respect a woman? Humility and kindness. I think these qualities, more than any others, would compel men to respect a given woman. It's the vulnerable and nurturing qualities of women that inspire and mesmerize men. Men don't revere masculine qualities in women, because that is more familiar and ordinary territory to men. Moreover, men are better at being genuinely masculine than women, so generally don't look up to women in this regard. It's the less familiar territories where m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 01:16 PM
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Yes, masculinity gets men more respect, more self-respect, more resilience, more opportunity, more women, more sex, more options, more freedom, more fulfilment and ultimately more happiness. In the vast majority of cases, it significantly improves the quality of a man's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 10:19 AM
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If I am not attracted to her, I don't ask her out. I don't need to reject her unless she asks me out. Just being nice to me is not asking me out. If I am not interested in her in any capacity, I would just be cordial, as normal, but there is no reason for me to do anything other than that unless she makes an advance. If she did make an advance, I would try to let her down gently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 04:14 PM
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I'm indifferent to how other random people are or choose to live their lives. I don't care if a random man is feminine or masculine. The same goes for a random woman. I don't even care if a male or female family relation or friend is masculine or feminine. That's not the basis on which I form friendships. It's far more important that I like the person. However, when it comes to who I would romantically involve myself with, I prefer feminine women. I find their personalities and physical appearan…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 03:51 PM
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It comes from popular culture. Both men's and women's expectations primarily come from popular culture, which is all-pervasive. Of course, most popular culture is fantasy, but that doesn't stop it influencing people, especially when people don't have sufficient knowledge to confidently and correctly distinguish between fantasy and reality if the lines are blurred, which is the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 03:24 PM
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We should be more accurate and say why do BP men do this? They do it because they are all dopamined-up from being around a woman they find attractive, which together with their BP brainwashing about how wonderful women are, compels them to lose all sense of reason and give freely for little or no reward. It's an interesting phenomenon. Before swallowing the RP, most men get pleasure from being generous to women. Esther Vilar talks about this in her book The Manipulated Man. Part of what the RP d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 02:02 PM
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Should everyone be looking for a real partnership from their relationship? Who defines what a real partnership is though? People have different ideas about what that might look like. You have the RP captain/first mate model, feminist models, androcentric models, gynocentric models and self-described egalitarian models, which might not be very egalitarian in any real sense. The problem with a lot of the people who purport to support egalitarian relationships, is that they are often just promoting…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 12:55 PM
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I already explained this. Yes but again terry crews and anthony rap beg to differ. As I said, anomalies. The me too movement is being driven by women and feminists. That's what the whole me too movement and the stigmatisation of men is about. I beg to disagree. The me too movement is meant to empower women to speak up in the solidarity that 1 they were not the only ones and 2 that speaking up might attain some measure of justice to the point that they might become the last. That no other person …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 12:52 PM
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No, he fears having his reputation and life ruined. Gays and minors can do that too. So why not fear them as well? I already explained this. Refer to my previous reply. However, men do get nervous and self-concious around other people's children too, in case their friendliness attracts suspicion of paedophilic tendencies. I'm sure that most men are aware of the fear that Western society has around male interactions with children, and therefore try to avoid putting themselves in positions that co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 11:12 AM
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I dont disagree that a reasonable amount of fear could be necessary in different situations but there in lies the difference. He fears being accused of something while women fear actually being a victim of it. No, he fears having his reputation and life ruined. That might not matter to feminists, but it matters to him. Innocent until proven guilty and all. The abandonment of this principle is part of the problem. Now, some people want us just to believe women. If doesn't intend to do anything th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:41 PM
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I agree that they have no impact (RP-affiliated men, due to them being a tiny minority), but it's the same BP guys who are: the feminists, white knights, manginas, cucks, simps and even some tradcons. who then go to RP and: No, it's often men who were never fully on board with the BP narrative. They either rationally or instinctively feel that something is not right, and experience cognitive dissonance because of this unease. Nevertheless, lack of knowledge and human doubt often mean that they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 06:12 AM
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When these guys become affiliated with RP their thirst/desperation merely changes form and thinly disguises itself, it doesn't go away. RP men have practically no impact on mainstream discourse and restrictions on men. It's the BP men who enable gynocentricism; the feminists, white knights, manginas, cucks, simps and even some tradcons.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 05:17 AM
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Its speaking out against the majority. Go to any "politically incorrect" or "free speech" area online say something inflammatory to the group and find yourself in a similar boat. The funny thing is the American left isnt even really left. Compared to a lot of the world its merely centrist on a lot of things. No, it's more than just speaking out against the majority. There are minority opinions that don't suffer the backlash that men receive if their opinions are not sufficiently gynocentric. It …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 05:05 AM
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They are giving thirst driven compliments to some of those women. No, BPers do that, not RPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 04:19 AM
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Okay let me try to explain it in a different way. Henry cavill is afraid of women because he might be falsely accused of rape but would it be okay for all women to fear working with him because he might rape them even though he is completely innocent of any sort of action? I think it's okay for a man or woman to fear any situation where they feel vulnerable or at risk. In Henry Cavill's case, that could be if he was alone with a female fan or some other woman he did not know very well. In the ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 04:13 AM
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It's mainstream culture that silences the honest opinion of men, by fear of the social backlash and ostracism that will be created if a man is labelled a misogynist. This suppression has gone beyond liberal enclaves. It's now mainstream. It also derives more from feminism than liberalism or leftism, though both have been infected by feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 01:53 AM
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It doesn't matter whether it's a very small minority. It only takes one woman to ruin your life. It also only takes 1 man to ruin a woman's life. If the situation is truly unfortunate its 2 because of the baby. No one was saying that one man cannot ruin a woman's life. I only brought up the fact that it only takes one woman to ruin a man's life because you seemed to think that a small minority of women wanting to do this meant that men should not have any fear. The point of the original post was…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 01:04 AM
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Yes but that is a very small minority and the assumption that he majority if not all will do that to him is whatbis offensive. It doesn't matter whether it's a very small minority. It only takes one woman to ruin your life. I don't see feminists saying don't worry about rape because only a very small minority of men are rapists. Moreover, rich celebrities are particularly vulnerable to smears and extortion. Henry Cavill is right to be concerned and he never made any assumptions about the likelih…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 09:38 PM
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I think you got that backwards but i think people dont haveba problem with him fearing women. Its that his fear is based on a misunderstanding that flirting is rape. No, it's based on the fact that women can lie, exaggerate and overreact. Not all women are sensible level-headed people. There are a lot of mentally ill, histrionic, unbalanced and opportunistic women out there who can and will abuse a culture that is inclined to believe what they say when it comes to accusing men of a sexual crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 03:52 PM
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So Tom hardy married Charlotte Riley because social pressure? Brad Pitt married Angelina Jolie beacsue indoctirnation? George Clooney married Amal against his will? And so on and so on. Yes. They are also under even more social pressure because they are in the public eye. Do you also have a bridge in Iowa you want to sell me? Sorry, no bridges. the recognition by men that they find marriage very difficult, as David Beckham recently said, What does that have to do with the fact that very high val…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 04:33 PM
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Yes, but that's a societal thing. It's not coming from men's hearts. So why do the most desirable of men get married? Actors, athletes, millionaries could get plenty of casual sex without getting married. Yet they do. I'm not judging men for not getting married. I'm not even pro marriage. I'm saying men's ACTIONS tell a very different story than one you're trying to sell me right now. Like I said, that's all social pressure and indoctrination. Marriage is a social construct created by religion, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 03:24 PM
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Completely disagree. High value men are very concerned about hypergamy. We're in agreement here. I asterisked a man who *understands hypergamy in the Red Pill context. Which is to say worrying about inherent biological features is a futile exercise. Urging you to do what you can, as an individual to avoid it, but if it happens, it happens. Sort of like if look a lion in the eye, you're not surprised when it attacks, but you avoid it at all costs. Obviously, there is no point in complaining about…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 03:05 PM
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For most of it does becuase most pursue relationships and get married. If it's not for you, that's cool. But please don't give me the men don't want relationships only sex line. Yes, but that's a societal thing. It's not coming from men's hearts. It's performance, for society and requires considerable indoctrination. In any case, only u/bonusfruit can say what he considers success with women in his own life. Your standards don't apply to him. So you compare yourself to...James Bond...? James Bon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 02:32 PM
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Maybe I haven't made my position clear enough. Hypergamy is inherent to female nature. A sex drive is inherent to human nature. Avoiding both of those entirely is next to impossible. Yes, hypergamy and sex drives are just facts of life. To a rich man, money is no problem, to a poor man, money is a problem. A high value man *who understands that hypergamy is part of female nature is not concerned about it. Completely disagree. High value men are very concerned about hypergamy. No one wants to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 02:12 PM
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Men who complain about it are the men who get branchswung on, not branchswung to. Which is why the Red Pill just says stop bitching about it and be better. But that's his point, he doesn't consider being better to be giving in to women's needs and wants, particularly if one has to live in a manner that is contrary to what one wants or what will bring one the most fulfilment and happiness. Obviously, men like sex with women, but not at any price. Also, there are higher callings than the pursuit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 11:53 AM
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So you have a happy relationship where you view your woman as an opponent? From a male perspective and in this context, success with the opposite sex need not entail a relationship. More usually, it just means sex, offers of sex or clear indications of interest in sexual/romantic encounters from attractive women. For example, no one is left in any doubt that the James Bond character is successful with women, despite the fact that he does not do and is not interested in relationships. Many femini…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 11:07 AM
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I don’t think you can affirmatively state something like that. How would you even know the level of compromise between two people much less generally along gender lines? One just needs to pay attention and look around. Look at the range of ideas tolerated in mainstream public discourse and where it leans when it comes to discussions involving men and women. It is very gynocentric and misandrist. It's all about the female perspective and men's responsibility towards women. There is practically no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 11:45 PM
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Whoooo I should open fortune telling business. "Oooooo I see a money man in your life in 10 years time Oooooo". No, because it's your subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 10:08 PM
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It means you're born male, that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 10:05 PM
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I don't give af about something Patrice O'Neal said. I've been in relationships with men. Occasionally needing to vent is not a big deal. Relationships are cooperative. That means you need to understand and attempt to mutually satisfy each other's needs. My husband sometimes needs less space than I do and that can be annoying at times - but I'm not going to get all up in arms because sometimes he crowds me when I want to be left alone. He also has some sort of need to tell me what to do a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 09:50 PM
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Christ this doesn't even seem to be a big deal to me. "Women like to be listened to and sometimes want to vent". Big whoop. I think you're making it out to be something more than it is. No, this is a very big deal to men. It's mentally tiring, bothersome and even sometimes emasculating. There's no question that women's emotional needs are an imposition on men. Patrice O'Neal jokes about it in the two excerpts below, but it is one of the big burdens of relationships for men, as the men in the aud…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 08:42 PM
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The examples of a woman expecting him to listen and him conversely expecting she instead wants his help. Okay, in this example, the woman is unilaterally imposing her emotional needs on the man and requiring that he participate in a particular kind of way, even if he has to be insincere and pretend to be someone that he is not. I don't think that this is particularly reasonable, unless she returns the favour and pretends to be someone that she is not in order to unrequitedly do things that he wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 08:10 PM
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Sure, I’d say if most people seem it unreasonable there’s an objective quality to it. But the examples we were talking about were not unreasonable. I get what you’re saying though - expectations can be more reasonable or less reasonable. No, I wouldn't say majority rule confers objectivity on an opinion. The majority are often wrong, even usually wrong, about many things and have been throughout history. The majority are often too ignorant to be a reliable barometer for objectivity. Objectivity …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:38 PM
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That’s pretty subjective wouldn’t you say? To some degree it can be subjective, but there are also objective realities in the world, otherwise we would not be able to agree on anything or organize society. Our capacity for rationality and the consistency of physical realities entail that not everything is a matter of subjectivity and that there are human standards that can qualify as objectively reasonable. Our legal systems depend on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:16 PM
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Ok but no one was talking about unreasonable or wacky expectations. Yes, but what some people might think is reasonable often isn't. They just might not know any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:03 PM
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Lol I guess he was playing the long con. Or maybe your lizard brain subconsciously picked up traits that predict success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 02:51 PM
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So if I started dating a guy while he was poor but now has great financial status what then? :D Potential counts too. Often girls and women see or sense great potential in a boy or man. He may not have achieved anything yet, but the raw material may provide sufficient indication that he is likely to be successful in life. It could be about his confidence, ambition, focus, intelligence, talent or any number of other things, separate and combined.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 02:42 PM
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It's true there are plenty of interesting things to say about people, but the same people getting talked about constantly is tiresome. If I've met your family and we've been dating for a long time, unless something happened , it's not particularly interesting or relevant to men to hear something that was said repeated, rinsed repeated, same shit different day, day after day. Patrice O'Neal has a funny skit about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 12:56 PM
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Well couldn’t you just reverse it and say if she doesn’t react how he expects or whatever he’s not expecting her to “act like a woman”? Like the whole listen rather than fix thing - she just wants to be listened to. If he isn’t doing that aren’t his expectations off too? Idk just seems like if you’re issue is male versus female expectations it goes both ways, no? Not all expectations are equal. Some are reasonable and some are not or are less reasonable. This humorous example illustrates the poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 11:45 AM
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Well couldn’t you just reverse it and say if she doesn’t react how he expects or whatever he’s not expecting her to “act like a woman”? Like the whole listen rather than fix thing - she just wants to be listened to. If he isn’t doing that aren’t his expectations off too? Idk just seems like if you’re issue is male versus female expectations it goes both ways, no? Not all expectations are equal. Some are reasonable and some are not or are less reasonable. This humorous example illustrates the poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 11:37 AM
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It would just complete the analogy. If you don't do the things she wants, there's going to be a fight. This implies if she doesn't give you the sex you want, you bug/nag/fight her about it too. It implies no such thing. She might be a nag, but that doesn't mean he is. Instead of it being some wifely duty she's supposed to provide you because you suck up other things for her, have you tried turning her on and making the sex more enjoyable for her? I never have to bug my gfs for sex. Usually the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 09:40 AM
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OK, but still at my core I am a woman. TRP can’t say AWALT then make exceptions to force their mantra to fit. A woman exposed to a little extra testosterone in the womb is still a woman. And hell, if femininity is clearly on a spectrum, then why does TRP treat women as a simplified category rather than a diverse group of fellow humans? I won’t debate the existence of feminine vs masculine traits, what I’m saying is that TRP likes to lump all women into one category and it’s probably the biggest …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:59 PM
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Ok, explain me then. How am I biologically female with a “male” brain? High libido, ability to separate sex from emotion, lower social acuity, analytical & logical, high STEM interest, zero interest in fashion, gives solutions rather than validation when hearing about problems, etc? You can show all the studies you want but my existence alone proves that NAWALT. Anomalies do occur in biology. Also, there is research which shows that females exposed to more testosterone than usual, at the prenata…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:19 PM
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Patrice O'Neal sums up the problem pretty well here. Men Need Women To Stop Bothering Them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:26 PM
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i find a lot of men want to discuss ideas but they're pretty dumb so its not interesting conversation. i'd much rather talk about celebs or whatever because i don't have to be tortured by a man's musings on whatever the fuck also a lot of guys say they want to have discussions like that but really they just want someone to sit and hear them think out loud Most men are probably not that interested in doing a lot of talking period, regardless of the topic. Less is more. A bit of peace and quiet wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:15 PM
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Woman A is preferable, by some stretch. She offers the most freedom and requires the least amount of work, only requiring that her man adopt a masculine attitude towards her, which will suit many men just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:56 AM
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more like you have no proof to give.but no suprised.am out Often, obvious and observable realities in the world can only be conveyed by urging people to open their eyes and be dispassionate. Most truths are not conveyed in the form of a study. Bye Felicia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 07:07 AM
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then give me proof that more narcissists are women,i don't just take a word of a MGTOW,Red/Purple/Black Pill,Incel,PUA,Nice Guy,MRA,and manosphere type of man .Lord knows those subs are mostly full of BS I'm not here to provide proof or convince you of anything. My own observations and experience of the world are sufficient proof for me on this matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 06:27 AM
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yet here's proof that most narcissists are men https://observer.com/2018/03/studies-show-men-are-more-narcissistic-heres-why/ https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/men-online-trolls-narcissism-twitter-women-more-likely-bully-a7947841.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_narcissism your whole argument falls.as for child abuse,what women do to children isnt comparable to the worse things men do.infact ,even with children men perpetuate abuse through sexual/molestation.men and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 06:04 AM
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so what if most men aren't criminals?that's not what i said.i said most criminals are men,that's the difference.and female egos are complicit but not even nearly as much as male egos,that's false equivalence from you.male egos(esp obsession with sex) and stupidity are the cause of corruption and wars in societies the world over. Well, if we are talking about male egos, it matters what most men do. It doesn't matter that most of the criminals are men, since that is a vanishingly small percentage …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 05:23 AM
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instagram,twitter,social networks are nothing compared to what the male ego does.without the male ego their would be less wars,less criminals(killers,rapists,pedophiles,thieves etc too. :-) The male ego has little to do with any of those things. Try again. Moreover, 99.9999% of men are not criminals or instigators of any wars. Also, female egos are just as complicit in how any society functions when there are equal numbers of men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 04:07 AM
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okay and what type of phenomenon is male ego??? oh the manosphere .i was close enough in guessing what 'kind' of man you are.i was thinking either MGTOW,Red/Purple/Black Pill,Incel,PUA or Nice Guy.i forgot about the manosphere Not a particularly noteworthy phenomenon. The male ego is no comparison to the female ego. Without the female ego, Instagram and many other social media platforms would go out of business, in the subsequent absence of all the narcissistic selfies being taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 02:58 AM
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solipsism solipsism /ˈsɒlɪpsɪz(ə)m/Submit noun the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist. the quality of being self-centred or selfish. says a man when the definition clearly shows that you are wrong.more like male ego,thinking women are naturally sooo into men that they want to stay married(a concept created by men and for the benefit of men) .you talking about solipsm yet i didn't once talk about myself.oHHH TYPICAL MALE ego.also typical male creepiness. Female solipsi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 02:45 AM
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keep denying history,the present and facts.😂😂😂😂😂😂 If your replies are any indication, I doubt you pay any attention to facts if they do not conform to your wishful thinking, like many women. There's a term for this. It's called female solipsism. You're the one who is in denial, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 02:33 AM
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women are more indoctrinated to marry than men,hence why they appear to like it.and marriage is definetly not in women's advantage although women now do have it better than the foremothers did when it comes to marriage. Keep deluding yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:17 AM
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uhm women are also indoctrinated for marriage no woman actually wants to be with one man forever ,dealing with men is a drag All of society is indoctrinated, but women don't really need to be indoctrinated into marriage, since it is to their advantage. That's why they are the ones who push for marriage and sustain the marriage industry, whilst men are the ones who resist marriage most. The indoctrination of men is critical to the marriage project. No mentally free man would get married in his ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:16 AM
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Interesting hypothesis. There may be something in it. I've often found it an interesting phenomenon between men and women where the big, hard, burly man is attracted to the small, gentle, soft woman, and vice versa. Men are interested in the human barbie, whereas women are interested in the human G.I. Joe. They are attracted to their opposites. This appears to indicate that, mentally, men are gentler than their exteriors suggest and that women are harder than theirs. Moreover, both are repulsed …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:20 AM
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Q4All: Do you believe false or un-provable allegations are causing the drop in support for alleged rape victims? No, it's probably just the growing recognition that abandoning due process is dangerous and enables people who lie or exaggerate about their victimhood. Q4All: Why do you think American opinion has shifted against "victims?" Opinion hasn't really shifted against "victims". There appears to only have been a slight shift and within the margin for error in some cases. Nevertheless, it ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:27 AM
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I agree Glad to hear it. Let us not emulate women in their solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 12:56 PM
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Men like hot women. Whether a woman is insecure or not is largely irrelevant to men, assuming she is not crazy with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:29 AM
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Well I'm not married, just a standard LTR. If she's not happy with who I am she can also leave. I need to disclaim that indeed knowing how to put a limit between "what I'm ready to do to satisfy her" and "privileging myself first" was an issue at some point. You have to do all sorts of things that you wouldn't have to do if you were single. Some of these stuff are enjoyable. If I hadn't a gf I would probably stay at home all day and never do anything, somehow she forces me to have a more balance…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:06 AM
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It wasn't such an issue before I had a kid, I was somewhat free and the partner would simply be mad once in a while that I don't give much time to her. The kid makes all sort of issues for freedom which looks more like what you describe. All this is a lot easy if you're a sedentary introvert though. Even without a kid, you're still not free with marriage. Moreover, if you don't perform to her satisfaction, she can take half your stuff when she leaves, so I wouldn't be so cavalier about ignoring …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:45 AM
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The amount of efforts you have to provide to get it is just astronomical compared to mine, unless you're super attractive... I just get home and get to watch my partner naked, fondle her, and whatever I want. It's not just about sex. It's also about personal freedom. One does not have to put in the effort if they don't want to and there are always alternatives, like porn, paid for sex or fwb. The effort required for marriage or to maintain a relationship can also be astronomical, but unlike with…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:26 AM
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How many Red Pillers had a mother who was abusive or emotionally neglectful? Probably the same proportion as BPers. Men arrive at the RP from their observation and experience of the world, not from their upbringing. Most were BPers before reality slapped them in the face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 09:36 PM
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But like...don't people already get this from the age of 5? The evil stepmother is ugly, the prince is hansom, the princess is beautiful. And men themselves are attracted to certain women, so it's a clear logic step that the same would be true for women to men. Like how is this news to anyone!? No, because there are many mixed messages out there and a lot of lies being perpetuated. Forget about 5 year olds, all adults are ignorant about many aspects of life, including realities about the dynamic…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 04:22 PM
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Let me use a pillsphere-specific example: A man is unhappy because he can't get sex. Option A: A woman thinks back to a time when she couldn't get sex, and remembers that it wasn't that bad. She decides that the man is making too big a deal out of a thing that is not that upsetting at all. Option B: A woman thinks back to a time when she couldn't get something that was very important to her. She empathizes with the man, because she understands what it's like to not have something you value very …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 02:39 PM
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Obviously, being a blooper, you're not going to agree with the RP, yet. What else is new?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:29 PM
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Wow, that is some cringe-worthy shit. What's cringe-worthy about it? I think they are perfectly legitimate sentiments that reflect how a lot of men feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 06:21 PM
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Am I the only one put off by this dynamic? No, many men are put off by this dynamic, hence MGTOW. There's even an expression for it, intellectually induced asexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:27 PM
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No, we are distinguishing status from good looks. The point is that they are not the same. no I see you're running out of arguments. This is common knowledge amongst men and observable to some degree. I'm sure you'll be able to find articles and discussions about it. Post then then. No, you go look for them. Yes, again. no again You're lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:31 PM
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They don't have to do as well as Chad to qualify as doing well. There's always someone out there who has it better, even for Chad. We are comparing men with good genetics vs status. That's my point. No, we are distinguishing status from good looks. The point is that they are not the same. Having status can be good for women, but it isn't necessarily good for them. For example, some high status men don't want to date career women. Source? This is common knowledge amongst men and observable to som…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 11:18 PM
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No, you seem to think that average looking men of high status don't do well with women. They don't do remotely as well as a good looking chad. They don't have to do as well as Chad to qualify as doing well. There's always someone out there who has it better, even for Chad. No, it doesn't. Men, by and large, don't care about a woman's status. Moreover, part of the reason why men are more ambitious than women is because status matters to women in a way that it does not to men. Women don't have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:55 PM
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If they achieve high status via their sport, average looking guys will do well amongst women. Not necessarily as well as good looking Chads, but still pretty good. Isn't that what I just said? No, you seem to think that average looking men of high status don't do well with women. I'm sure. Yes, high status is an anomaly, but that's not the point. The point is that status means something to women and helps men attract women. It does to men too. Simple. Its just that men are more ambitious and try…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 10:47 PM
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Here you recognize a distinction between being a jock and being attractive, whereas before you equated them. You have literally no critical thinking skills. Clearly, I do, in abundance and they are far superior to yours. Obviously, women will swoon over the hot jocks, but average looking jocks will also slay if they have achieved status via their sport. We see this all the time. Plenty of average looking, high status, guys with hot girlfriends and wives. They won't slay. They will just be a bit …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 06:07 PM
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Not really, being attractive is not required to be a jock. You just need to be into sport or good at it, to raise your status through sport. Most jocks have average looking faces, like the rest of the population. Yes, what I'm saying is that the jocks that women swoon over are hot ones. Here you recognize a distinction between being a jock and being attractive, whereas before you equated them. Obviously, women will swoon over the hot jocks, but average looking jocks will also slay if they have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 05:28 PM
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Not necessarily. They are higher in status though. You do get less attractive "jocks" and "frat stars". Those are exceptions. I've spoken to incels who are tall and built but with ugly faces and played on their HS's football team. Not really, being attractive is not required to be a jock. You just need to be into sport or good at it, to raise your status through sport. Most jocks have average looking faces, like the rest of the population. "Frat stars" probably achieve their status because of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 04:43 PM
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"jocks" "frat stars" Dude, those sorts of guys are ATTRACTIVE. Not necessarily. They are higher in status though. You do get less attractive "jocks" and "frat stars". For women it's all about status Men in general just lead more. A good looking woman who benefits from her looks would also be more desirable than a typical small town stacy. Not necessarily. If the small town stacy is equally physically attractive, it will be a wash. If she is nicer, she will more often than not be preferred by men…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/18 04:20 PM
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Take it up with biology. It won't be because you are penetrated that some people may see you as inferior. It's more likely to be because of things like irrationality or physical weakness. Obviously, there's not much that women can do about being physically weaker than men. In any case, men are physically attracted to women as they stand and lose attraction the more masculine they become. The other issue is that men generally hold rationality in higher esteem than emotion, as reason is the bedroc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 11:59 AM
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Yeah and then they argue that they are just about equality or something. I (thought that I had) came up with the idea of intersectional-humanism as a logical conclusion of intersectionality - a nuanced idea that gender issues can be interconnected with other social barriers relating to class, ethnicity and sexuality - and fully extend that theory so it is inclusive of literally everybody. But apparently the feminists got there before I did, which means the r/PPIHICSRUVAM theory for my ideologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:39 PM
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Thing is even the dictionary definition should be rejected since it is a unilateral system of representation that wields the false idea of a marginalised gender as it's justification. Yes, you're right. The sly implication in the dictionary definition is usually that women are an oppressed class whose rights are lagging behind those of men. One does sometimes see definitions which just speak of equality between the sexes, with no suggestion of a marginalised group. However, the clue is in the na…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:52 PM
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I saw a thread on r/humanism one time where the OP asked if being humanist meant you had to be feminist and everyone chimed in with "yes". Meanwhile r/egalitarianism is overrun with MRAs. This is a fight you just can't win if you are anti-feminist and anti-MRA. They probably said yes because they interpreted feminist in its most innocuous, dictionary definitional, form. However, there is more to feminism than that and we are only just starting the process of exposing some of the problems with it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 11:22 AM
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Ah shit, guess I'm gonna have to rethink r/PPIHICSRUVAM Or maybe a case could be made that genuine anti-feminist anti-MRA egalitarians could hijack IH? I started r/IntersecHumanism so I'm in control of that sub and would have no moral quandry about doing so. Like I said before, why not just keep it simple, with humanism? Why is it so hard to just recognize everyone's humanity? Everyone is flawed and vulnerable. No one is omniscient or omipotent. Each person has to face their own unique challenge…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:58 AM
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This is feminists attempt to control the debate and deploy feminism by another name, given the baggage that the word currently holds. Uh, no because I am the one who coined the term and I don't identify as a feminist. It isn't a conspiracy. No, intersectional-humanism is a term that has cropped up in feminist circles. Maybe you have come across it yourself, but did not realise. See an example below. https://freethoughtblogs.com/bianymeans/2016/03/16/notes-towards-an-intersectional-humanism/ Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:41 AM
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I just like the theory of intersectionality. My comment with intersectional-humanism is that the theory can be expanded beyond the confines of feminism, even if it did originate with feminism itself. That won't happen if intersectional-humanism is adopted. This is feminists attempt to control the debate and deploy feminism by another name, given the baggage that the word currently holds. Accepting feminism's silly intersectionality theories amounts to capitulating to their lead. Feminists have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:19 AM
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This post explains to me why intersectional-humanism is important as an alternative to men 's rights advocacy or femi nism: Get rid of the intersectional bit and just call it humanism, as it has always been called. That way feminism cannot claim ownership of it and it naturally includes all people by virtue of being human. Let us not complicate matters further when a clearer, simpler and superior approach is available.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:20 AM
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But he's saying as a sex object. Generally, N count is not going to be a factor for a sex object, but some men do like the women that they crush on to be classy, so N count or perceived N count may come into play from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 07:46 PM
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Having value as a sex object is not related to N count. Most men who are trying to smash a woman don't care how many men she's been with. Yes, value as a sex object is not related to N count, but for many men value as a partner or wife is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/18 03:20 PM
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White knighting and the degree to which men go to try and placate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 11:09 PM
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Men don't have an issue with feminism because they can't get laid. The two are completely unrelated. Men have an issue of feminism because of its falsehoods, misandry, antagonism and destructive effects, not to mention the dictatorial nature of many of its practitioners. Why do you characterize an objection to a political ideology as whining? Are the people who criticize Trump whiners too? What about critics of other political positions? To answer your question, most men are bothered by some asp…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/18 11:15 AM
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With a weak/no institutional authority on morality, who should keep it (if it should be kept at all)? The need to keep authority should be balanced with the requirement that people be free to live their lives as they wish. Outside of agreed upon prima facie scenarios where chaos may ensue or harm is caused, such as in fraud or murder, people should be left to conduct their personal lives as they wish. If women are liberated from broader moral consequence for their sexual behavior, why shouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/18 01:16 PM
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AWALT. There is nothing special or different about more intellectual type girls. At the end of the day they are still women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/18 12:01 PM
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Oh my God this is so me I can rationalize anything into being a reason not to pursue, because I "don't want to be a creep" or "don't want to be a Bad Person™". This is also a symptom amongst men who take feminist propaganda, which demonizes men, to heart. I would imagine that more educated men would be overrepresented amongst this group, given their greater exposure to feminist inspired thought, particularly if they have been to university, where feminist discourse, standards and protocols domin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 09:17 PM
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The reason the jock is getting laid and the nerd isn't has nothing to do so with their gap in intelligence, and everything to do with their gap in social skills. No doubt that can also be true, but it doesn't preclude the possible existence of a disproportionate tendency to overanalyze things amongst smarter people and the sabotaging impact this can have on their approach to dating; the paralysis of analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 08:58 PM
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What do you want a dissertation on the obvious. No. A relevant reply would be sufficient. I have two graduate degrees and work as a criminal defense attorney. I've met lots of smart guys and, other than a particular type of IT guy, they're all getting laid. So? The person you were replying to never said that no smart guy ever got laid. He simply said that smarter guys can have a harder time getting laid than dumber guys. One thinks of the stereotypical nerd who overthinks things, compared to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 06:20 PM
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I misread that a bit. I meant at 20 if you're attractive you can possibly get more sex due to having multiple partners, but at 40 the sex you'll get in a marriage will be more than you'd get 'freelancing' It's not only about sex. Personal freedom is a more important incentive not to be married. One can always get sex if one has the means, irrespective of age. Also, hunger for sex diminishes as men age.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 12:56 PM
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WTF? Smart guys get laid all the time. According to the standardized tests I've taken over the years I'm smarter than the vast majority of the population. Hasn't stopped me from getting laid on an at least semi-regular basis. It's not a very smart move to dispute a general claim or suggestion with one anecdotal example. That approach is all too common with the female bloopers on here. If one is to dispute a general claim, counter it on the same basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/18 12:37 PM
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You are debating something different than I am. No I'm not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 01:46 AM
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History and number of men shaming women for working/ choosing a career > feminist shaming SAHM No, feminist shaming of SAHMs is more, since too many women choosing to be SAHMs would derail the feminist goal of equal outcomes between men and women. To quote Simone de Beauvoir "No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 12:47 AM
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Neutral isn’t enough to want to pursue something. Neutral is good, because it gives you the option to make of it what you want. You will be respected if you are a respectable person. You shouldn't make a lifestyle choice for adulation anyway. You should do it because that's the way that you want to live. Neither is your individual husband appreciating your efforts as I touch on here. For many people it is enough. Moreover, they can also involve themselves in other activities. SAHMs are not chain…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/18 12:32 AM
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What I’m saying is that we have different experiences and that prevalent casual offhand comments but society at large (yes a lot of men) de-incentivizes women to pursue the role. Well, we just disagree on how commonplace this is. I’m sure men want SAHMs. Doesn’t mean they at large hold the role in high esteem compared to other jobs. As I said before, it's a neutral matter. Being a SAHM neither wins respect or disrespect from men. It all depends on the personality of the woman and how she goes ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:50 PM
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My point is that when it's an overwhelming insidious sentiment, it lessens incentive. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying casual quips are indicative of a pervasive generally accepted sentiment. Look at this comment and the upvotes. I'm not making this up. Though it's clear you don't notice it or have never observed it in your every day life. I have. Like I said, men criticising SAHMs is not really a thing. Men don't care. They are not paying any attention to the phenomenon of SAHMs. It's not an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:31 PM
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What people say publicly cannot usually be taken at face value. My OP's thesis is that people's public opinions and behaviors affect others -- in this case publicly expressing sentiments as such regularly and casually further drills home to many women that the role isn't regarded highly and thus reduces the incentive to want to pursue it. In a population of millions, every choice is going to get some criticism. However, men criticising SAHMs is not really a thing, even though I'm sure it happens…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:10 PM
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Yeah.. I don't think we're discussing the same. These men aren't often provoked by plaintive women or even married for that matter. They're just casually commenting on their thoughts on the work. We have diff experiences. It's hard to know what these men are thinking, but a lot of men subconsciously and consciously resent the constraints imposed on men by gynocentricism, so they may just be expressing their antipathy towards women or the demands placed on men by women. Attacking the work may sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 10:42 PM
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So what percentage of women classify for the AWALT prototype? Is it really 99.9%? Do you have any data or science to back up that claim and refute the hypothesis that there are far greater differences among women than RP ideology claims? I chose the 99.9% figure just to illustrate the point that exceptions do not disprove the rule. And if my “masculine” traits are due to biology, then why am I not into sports, gaming, beer, and various other “masculine” interests/activities? Why do I exhibit zer…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 10:30 PM
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I've never seen a feminist shame a SAHM. Most of what I see is criticizing the fact that the vast majority of stay at home parents are women. You need to do some more research then. There is a long history of feminism shaming SAHMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 10:20 PM
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I run into men all the time who casually and cavalierly joke about “being in the house all day”. It’s just “menial work.” She isn’t “innovating or creating.” Or “women who complain about not getting help with home rearing and childrearing are nags — it’s just changing diapers and helping with homework and cooking meals, not rocket science.” They don’t mean to be cruel (some do), but their sentiments aren’t exactly validating. There’s a clear lack of regard for the role. We have different experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 10:13 PM
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Fair enough, perhaps in general the level of desire to sleep around is unequal between men and women. However, my desire to have a variety of partners seems to exceed that of most men. I am more willing to put in the money, time, and effort required to juggle more partners than the men I date are. And I know I can’t be the only woman who is this way. That’s why I think there are other factors at play behind the “spread your seed” mentality. Biology/hormones may be a factor, but I think it is a t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:49 PM
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OK, so if my minimal level of testosterone isn’t responsible for my desire as a woman to date and fuck a variety of men, then what is? No one's saying that you have no desire, just that women's desire is typically not on the same scale as men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:10 PM
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I don't think most people in modern Western society care if a woman chooses the role of a SAHM. No one is shaming them outside of feminists. What will determine the respect that a SAHM gets is who she is, what she does and how she carries herself as a person. Being a SAHM doesn't in itself automatically bring respect or disrespect. That will be determined by the personality of the woman herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:06 PM
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right. youre wrong. all my arguments stand No, you're wrong and confused about the topic of discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:24 PM
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You stated that toxic masculinity has always been used in the hegemonic masculinity sense and that the original longstanding meaning was just a pretense thrown out as feminist propaganda Yes, in the context of feminism's use of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:21 PM
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because ive already acceded that EXTREMELY RECENTLY feminism has been subsuming toxic masculinity under hegemonic masculinity YOU have been denying the decades of meanign the term HAD from its inception to liek a year ago I don't care about the etymology of the term and that is not the topic of discussion here. This is specifically about feminism's use of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:12 PM
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except you arent, you are rewriting history with no basis No, I'm describing reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:08 PM
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this is the genesis of the concept of toxic masculinity, not "feminism" and this is what toxic masculinty hasd meant to everyoen until VERY recently when its been merged with hegemonic masculinity, as i said this concept is from the 80s when i was a teenager, i REMEMBER the history of this concept, you really cant gaslight me, you are wrong Why do you keep going on about the men's movement when the topic is feminism's use of the term?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:07 PM
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ok, well you are just determined to deny the history and historic use of this term, so i cant fight you No, I'm determined to uncover the truth from the obscurantism typically engaged in by feminists and solipsistic women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 05:00 PM
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TOXIC MASCULINITY IS FEMINIST PROPAGANDA. there is no other use or meanign of it, i am showing you what toxic masculinity has ALWAY SMEANT No, that is some of the revisionism that I was describing before. We are only seeing more articles now, on how the term toxic masculinity is really about the harm that it causes to men and how it is in no way intended to smear men, because of the growing criticism that it is a misandristic term. The author in the article even ventured to introduce the idea of…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 04:54 PM
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https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/what-we-mean-when-we-say-toxic-masculinity Why are you replying to me with feminist propaganda?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 04:12 PM
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it is a FEMINIST term, couined BY FEMiNISTS, for FEMINISM. it has no other use, definition or existence outside of feminism. it literally IS A FEMINIST TERM IN ITS ORIGIANL MEANING who else even pays any attention to the concept? it is a feminist concept ab initio believe whatever you want, but youre just dead wrong I know it's a feminist term. That's not where our disagreement lies. We are discussing the meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 04:01 PM
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Feminism's use of the term has always been about the negative effects of certain masculine behaviour on society and women. no it has not https://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/when-masculinity-fails-men/ classic toxic masculinity discussion by popular figure dr. nerdlove more i could go on what HAS been happening VERY RECENTLY, SO recently that since the LAST TIME this subject came up, the two wiki articles have merged, is that "toxic masculinity" is being subsumed under the greater anti-male conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:54 PM
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I can’t believe this had to be stated. Unfortunately, some people just don't get it or many women don't seem to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:35 PM
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Its not revisionist, I am almost 50, this is what toxic masculinity meant my whole life until very very recently, you're 100% wrong that its "revisionist", what you are doing right now is revisionist Toxic masculinity has ALWAYS meant that patriarchal masculine norms are harmful and toxic TO MEN themselves Of course most men dont believe this, that's why the mens lib movement never took off. Just ignore the concept, its irrelevant to normal peoples lives Forget about the men's movement. Feminism…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:31 PM
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I'm a member of society and I consider hot people to hold more social value, don't you? No. Being hot doesn't necessarily mean that you have more social value than less hot people. Moreover, having more social value does not necessarily mean that you have higher social status. For instance, the blue collar workers who enable our societies to run more efficiently, provide much more social value than the pen pushers who write about celebrity gossip or complain about manspreading and call their eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:27 PM
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'social status' is a social science term, not exact sciene. We're not going to come to a crystal clear definition that either inclueds of excludes looks. Anyway it's just a problem of nomenclature, in its essence the rule is the same, punching above your weight, but by different variables I think what social status means is clear. It's you who seems to be having difficulty with it. In its essence, the rule is not the same. That's why I'm here discussing it with you. The phenomenon of hypergamy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 01:32 PM
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I agree but what I mean is that most people don't need to try to reinvent themselves Yes, but changing your behaviour to achieve a goal isn't necessarily reinvention. If we are all adopting different postures to suit circumstances anyway, why not adopt a different approach that bears more fruit? Much of the way that BP men currently behave is not necessarily them being themselves. Often it is just the effect of being browbeaten and indoctrinated by feminist propaganda to repress and be ashamed o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:55 AM
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Someone could have low social status and still be physically attractive or have high social status and be very ugly. That doesn't mean looks don't influence your social class, they are just one of a couple of variables. If all other variables were identical your looks will decide whether you're higher or lower. Imagine two men with the same education, job and a pleasant disposition, but one is hot the other is ugly, they will have a different social status. No, the two men wouldn't have differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:45 AM
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Hypergamy is a term for marrying a spouse of higher caste or social status than themselves Social status... At its core, status is about who members of a society consider to hold more social value Society values attractive people more, so trying to get with people hotter than you is a type of hypergamy Looks need have no bearing on one's social status. Someone could have low social status and still be physically attractive or have high social status and be very ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:20 AM
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The truth is that being yourself actually works for most people, in one way or another. Most people are not being themselves during most hours of the day, particularly if they are interacting with others. Everyone keeps parts of themselves hidden and adopts various facades, as circumstances require.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:15 AM
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there's your problem. That's hypergamy. Ugly people want to fuck hot people and are angry that they can't. Hypergamy is socioeconomic. Being attracted to looks is neither hypergamy nor socioeconomic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 11:06 AM
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Women have testosterone in their bodies, so they must experience the same desire then, right? No, because men produce around 20 times the testosterone that women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:50 AM
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Toxic masculinity was clearly defined by the feminist mens lib "mythopoetic" movement that coined it. It is also clearly defined in psychology. Are you just unaware of the term of arts origins and meaning? What is happening now is the concept is being overtaken by and merged with the slightly different "hegemonic masculity", which is not the idea that "toxic masculinity" is how patriarchy actually hurts men themselves, but that toxic masculinity harms "society" Feminism's use of the term toxic m…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 09:34 AM
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The first is self reported happiness/satisfaction, while the second seems contrary to what other studies have found. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health The articles I posted expose why those studies are wrong and dishonest. The author looked at 18 of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 06:33 PM
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Funny thing about the whole cultural attitude to marriage benefitting just the gal is that stats on health/longevity show men benefit more from being married and live longer while women tend to be less healthy/long-lived if married. People keep regurgitation this same propaganda, but it's not true and has been exposed as propaganda. Marriage and Happiness: 18 Long-Term Studies. Getting married does not make you happier. Single Men Have Good Hearts. Why singles have something to get pumped about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 04:09 PM
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Like I said, the reason why women demand marriage is because this dumb society socializes and raises women to want marriage. If women were taught from birth that it's perfectly natural and healthy to be part of a high value man's harem, they wouldn't want to take part of this abomination of nature that marriage and monogamy is. This may be true for some women, but for most their egos would be too big to relegate themselves to the role of a harem member, in a free society. Feminists or any woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 12:00 PM
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Studies saying that men benefit from marriage are propaganda and have been exposed as such. Marriage and Happiness: 18 Long-Term Studies. Getting married does not make you happier. Single Men Have Good Hearts. Why singles have something to get pumped about. Also, if marriage is so bad for women, they should stop demanding that men marry them. I'm sure that men would welcome this change. It's the women who drive the marriage industry, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:34 AM
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I would be clear the moment it came up that I was not interested in marriage. I wouldn't see it in terms of trying to draw anything out. She would know where I stood, so if she stayed it would be her responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 11:17 AM
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Option one. Don't like being tied down. I like freedom. Plus the variety would be good too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/18 05:04 AM
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How did you draw that conclusion? Based on what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 05:13 AM
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Lol “I know everything and there’s not possibly anything new I could ever learn from anybody, ever” mkay lol Really, you think that you know everything and there's not anything that you could ever learn from anybody, ever? You're deluded my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 01:16 AM
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“I’m not interested in what feminists have to say.” In other words, you are anti-critical thinking. You are opposed to exploring new points of view and only want to read information that backs your beliefs. I used to be big into PUA, and was all about the MRA movement years ago. My opinion was changed because of new information. An intelligent person ALWAYS questions and challenges their own beliefs. I’ve already heard all of the feminist theories and arguments countless times. There’s nothing n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/18 01:57 AM
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If that’s the case, you just dodged my whole point. Just about every person in existence who has ever studied psychology will support the notion that the biggest cause of higher male suicide rates is lack of emotional expression and lack of emotional support systems. Bottling is one of the worst things you can possibly do for your mental health. Emotional expression is not the issue, lack of support is, as I already alluded to when I referred to the hostile environment that many men have to suff…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 05:59 PM
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“I didn’t say tha rmen are being pinned for domestic violence” Then what is that doing that actually causes any real harm to men? You have failed to provide a single example of how it has actually caused any real harm to men. Here's the whole sentence: "I didn't say anything about men being pinned for domestic violence being the root cause of male suicide or anything else". “Men don’t need to express emotions like women do” Boy, for someone who claims to know everything about the subject, you su…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/18 03:33 PM
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First, do you have any examples of men being unfairly punished by the law, as well as any reports on how frequently that actually happens? Second, men’s suicide rate is a massive problem with our culture, but without some very strong evidence, I don’t think you can just claim that “men getting pinned for domestic violence” is the root cause of it. Most psychologists would argue that the primary factor related to men’s suicide is lack of emotional support. Men tend to not express emotion, and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 11:33 PM
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What part of that act actually hurts men though? It might be lacking in equal legislation to protect men from domestic violence, which probably should be revised, but even if the numbers are exaggerated, what harm is there in putting laws in place that protect women from domestic violence? The issue is that the law assumes that women cannot be perpetrators or tend not to be perpetrators, when this is not true. This automatically implicates men whenever there is a domestic dispute. Many men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:13 PM
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Men neither need nor get the same security from marriage. Rather, marriage undermines a man's security. Yet studies show married men fare better than single men. They’re healthier, live longer and have more sex than single men. Married women? Exact opposite. Single women are better off. Most divorces are filed by women. Outside the manosphere, many people rightly question whether this data says something about the value of marriage in improving men’s lives more than it does women — rather than j…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 09:53 PM
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You’re completely avoiding what I said. What piece of legislature has a major feminist organization ever proposed or supported related to domestic violence that would hurt men in any way? The Violence Against Women Act and the adoption of the Duluth model in domestic violence cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:37 PM
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I don’t think there’s any feminist who thinks it’s okay for women to strike men in a non-self-defense scenario dude. I also don’t believe that domestic violence is anywhere close to a primary part of the US feminist platform. Domestic violence advocacy is a very important part of the feminist agenda. I think you need to do some more research into feminism. Of course, there are many other faux issues, like the gender pay gap, rape culture, toxic masculinity, women in STEM etc. However, it's the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 07:29 PM
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That is not a platform bro. Give me an example of a specific policy or piece of legislature that feminism supports that would be unjustly hostile towards men. The Duluth model for domestic violence, which presents domestic violence as violence perpetrated by men against women, when reality and the research shows that domestic violence is reciprocal between men and women. This is part of the male oppressor narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:48 PM
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Give an example of a platform that the majority of feminists take that is hostile to men. Patriarchy theory; that men have historically been oppressors of women. This is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:41 PM
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It’s really not hostile to men. It’s hostile to men who rape, men who sexually harass, and men who feel entitled to women’s bodies. It’s not hostile to down to earth, good men who are good natured and have no intentions of hurting anybody. No, it's hostile to men en masse and men who do not adopt a gynocentric or feminist perspective. Its theories and narratives about men and women are complete fiction and are designed to advantage women at the expense of men. I've dismantled feminist misreprese…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:29 PM
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The fact that many men feel that it’s hostile to them doesn’t make it hostile, either. I think feminism is very misunderstood, but I also think it’s feminism’s fault for being so misunderstood. Check out the book “Open Her” by Karen Brody. It gives a better explanation of what women want out of men, and a lot of it is counter intuitive to what people think feminism wants. Yes, but feminism is hostile to men and has created hostile environments for men. I already have a very good understanding of…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:16 PM
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Ok. So in this day and age, when young women are outearning men, where’s the security? What makes marriage any better of a deal for us? And if he’s not providing financial security, is he holding up his end of the bargain? Is he equally as worthy of scorn as a woman who withholds sex? Outearning men? What happened to the gender pay gap? In any case, in this context, security essentially boils down to freedom from anxiety, which is facilitated by financial security, material security, emotional s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 06:08 PM
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Women don't have an impact on my ego or self-worth at all, at least not as far as I can tell. I'm probably not typical of most men though, because I believe I have far greater perspective and awareness than most people generally, including women. In relation to the RP and not just TRP, its effect is to reduce the impact that women's approval has on men's egos or self-worth. Why? Because it reveals that women do not function on a higher moral level than men, that they are not wonderful, as a RP m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 03:33 PM
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I’m a non-graduate male who is pretty successful in his career, and I don’t feel like feminism was ever hostile to me. I do believe that our culture does a poor job teaching its men to be men, but I actually don’t really blame feminism for that. I do blame a misunderstanding of what feminists actually way from a man, but I think both sides are to blame in a way. The fact that you don't feel that feminism is hostile to you doesn't negate the fact that many other men and women do or that it is hos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 03:23 PM
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The research I posted was more recent. I was trying to show how many have been critical of the hypothesis for a long time, and continue to be. No, the research you posted was older. One of the papers was much older. I am familiar with Simon Baron-Cohen's work. Some of it is interesting, but you should be aware that plenty of criticisms have been levied at his work. All research receives criticism. Even the theory of evolution receives criticism. That doesn't mean the criticism is either credible…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 12:33 PM
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You do get some rational women, but women generally tend not to be as consistently rational as men. They appear less capable of being dispassionate and ignoring preferred outcomes when it comes to trying to analyse the truth. Reasoned and factual based opinions are replaced with wishful thinking. I don't know the reason for this, but I think both biological and social factors are involved. A woman can become more rational, but I don't realistically expect women en masse to become as rational as …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 10:22 AM
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A lot of it is behind a paywall, unfortunately, but the work of Stephanie Shields. Evidence of cross cultural differences And right back in the 1910/1920s, Leta Hollingworth proposed that the Male Variability Hypothesis could be predominantly/totally explained by differences in the expectations of men and women, and continued to find evidence of this in work with both children with learning disabilities and 'gifted' children. These studies are not recent, as you suggested, and this is not simply…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 09:38 AM
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So if more women are doing it than men, doesn’t that mean that more men are idiots? No, because there may be other factors contributing to that, which have nothing to do with being an idiot. In particular, the hostile environment boys and men have to endure in the education system will be a factor, as well as the fact that men find women more distracting than women find men. Graduating college may reveal that you're not a complete idiot, but not graduating college does not reveal that you are an…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/18 08:00 AM
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Nihilism 101. The anti-depressant line starts right over there pal. Also gee I wonder why I've had no problem getting girlfriends, wives, why women ask me out, or why I have a top shelf wife a decade younger than me. Hmm maybe I got it all wrong and I should become a nihilistic nothing matters type of guy? I know I can go find some xanex and weed and just float around for awhile. That's the ticket. My kids surely don't matter at all I don't suffer from depression and I'm not a nihilist. I'm spea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/18 12:36 PM
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So no children for your dead end genes? You don't need a wife to have children, but it is not my intention to have any children either. Ultimately, it's not going to matter to anyone whether their genes survive or not, since they won't benefit from it in any way, outside of whatever deluded notion they have in the present that it actually means anything in the grand scheme of things. We are all going to die, including all of our descendants. The world will also eventually come to its own end. Ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/18 08:23 AM
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What should I do? Realise that women are just human and are as flawed as you think that you are. They are not special beings. Don't see or treat them as special. Also realise that you are not a bad person because you are a man and have male desires. Approach unapologetically, in full confidence that women have nothing over you, either morally or tangibly. Build your confidence by acquiring knowledge and developing your ability in non-trivial areas of interest to you. This will translate into inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 04:05 PM
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I wouldn't care. It's up to her how she chooses to live her life. She is best placed to know what will make her happy. I would only be able to talk about the pros and cons of her decison as an outsider.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 03:23 PM
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Freedom satisfies me. I'm satisfied with freedom, time and reasonable options to do what I want. A wife hurts these parameters. I enjoy sex and other sexual outlets, but a wife is not needed for that nor do I feel a need for a lifelong companion. I'm much more interested in having the freedom to indulge my creative and intellectual interests. Sexual appetite is just one aspect of a man's life and can be consistently satisfied in myriad ways, but one need not do anything as drastic as marriage to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 01:18 PM
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Clearly, older women are threatened by younger women who date men in their age group. It hurts their self-esteem, makes them feel ignored and lowers their dating pool if these men prefer to date younger women, so they rationalize it as a pathology or flaw on the part of men. It's pure projection and hamstering on their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/18 12:39 PM
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From a biological perspective, my appetites are typical of men. However, I'm atypical of most people when it comes to my intellectual independance and preference for, dispassionate, reason based truths. I don't follow the crowd like most sheeple, give much credence to unexamined received wisdom or let wishful thinking dictate what I believe to be true. I don't believe current established conventions are the last word on our understanding of the world. There is a lot more to know and a lot of err…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/18 03:00 PM
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Oh great, Medical advice from the Toilet troll. No Thanks. No, the doctor would be giving the medical advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 10:50 PM
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"I don't live in a toilet hole. I don't live in a toilet hole. I don't live.." I hear that echoing from down there every morning I take a dump. Haha. Hey man, Thanks for being a sport. Lets call this quits. :) You should see a doctor about that, sounds like you're schizo. You're free to desist at any time. I'm not stopping you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 10:30 PM
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Yes, How did you know? Oh yeah, you are the guy in the toilet hole. How did I know? Because you've got no clue. For the record, I don't live in a toilet hole, but I'm glad I got your dwelling correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 10:06 PM
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Not my experience. Sucks to be you I guess. You must be living in a cave.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 09:35 PM
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There are tendencies unique to, more common or more pronounced in women, such as hypergamy, Briffault's Law, female solipsism and psychological manipulation. If this argument should stand than this statistic about Mass Shooters by Gender showing 98% male should be sufficient for complete ban on Male gun ownership. No, because mass shooters are extremely rare. Female tendencies are common and the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 08:08 PM
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Sorry gasper, lets' abandon this particular thread and continue our discussion on the other ones you are a part of. I am spread kind of thin here. :) Which other ones? This is the only thread I have posted on today or on the matter of AWALT in a long time. Incidentally, it's gaspard.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 05:08 PM
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Please do so if you know any better. Someone's already given you a link to a definition and I've also just replied to you with the most pertinent AWALT traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 04:14 PM
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"But guys do it, too!" has got to be the absolute least persuasive counterargument to AWALT ever. How exactly does it challenge AWALT in the slightest for straight men interacting with women? It's just bikeshedding over semantics. Although you're correct, that this is a bad argument against AWALT, many factors about AWALT are justifiably attributable to women exclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 04:04 PM
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How is any of this related to her being Female? This could very well happen to the guy in the relationship. There are tendencies unique to, more common or more pronounced in women, such as hypergamy, Briffault's Law, female solipsism and psychological manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 04:00 PM
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My challenge is that you have not defined AWALT, just a figment of your imagination. Therefore your straw man proposition is a non-starter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 03:44 PM
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Even if AWALT were true, which is a claim that has absolutely zero empirical evidence, I challenge as to why it matters. It matters because the truth matters and helps us make more informed decisions. We have constructed an image of human relationships that is absolutely impossible to achieve. We literally have relationships on a pedestal. True, but that's caused by mainstream BP fantasies about men, women, love and relationships. The RP is challenging The Matrix, not upholding it. Why try to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/18 03:36 PM
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I agree that's what many of them want. But I have seen a (very) few red pillers advocating that women should have less opportunities for the "greater good". Most people want equality of opportunity but there are nutters on both sides against it. Yes, some RPers have said this, but they are in a small minority. Most feminist advocates, however, endorse some formulation of equality of outcome. Also, the RP is a response to the excesses of feminism and gynocentricism. It would not exist otherwise. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 12:40 AM
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Equality of opportunity. I think everyone agrees on equality of opportunity. The problem is that many feminists want equality of outcome, but only in areas that they think are advantageous to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 12:19 AM
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The past was more difficult for everyone, but it was not a tyranny, much less an intentional and coordinated one by the male gender. I know the far past was rough and unfair to everyone generally. But at some point women started realizing there were laws that screwed them over, and there were positions they were forbidden from taking. You have to admit it becomes different after that. Women were asking for equality of opportunity, and men denied them. I'm not saying they did it as some coordinat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/18 12:09 AM
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Part of the function of the manosphere is to expose the duplicity and obfuscation of feminism, not ignore it and allow it to carry on with impunity. Feminists would love that. go get em, tiger I do my little bit to raise awareness, but the growth of the manosphere and general discussions that challenge cherished feminist orthodoxies will do much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 03:37 PM
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Well im not saying they are right, i am saying their claim that "feminism helps men" too has a SPECIFIC meaning and it isnt "helps men in ways other than FEMINISM believes they should be helped" and "the genders should be equalized in ways that advantage men and disadvantage women" or any of the ignorant bullshit gotcha twistings mras and mgtows engage in Feminism is the specific advocacy of the political and social rights of women. No number of dumb hole celebrities or morons on Twox saying oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 03:10 PM
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Did it ever occur to you to actually research what feminism is? Even more radical feminists describe it as equality between the sexes, even if they don't actually practice that. Where am I supposed to look exactly, when people so often bring their individual interpretation of it? I'll stick to the 150 year old definition, thanks. "Equality of the sexes" doesn't really have an expiry date does it? How long does it take for equality and human rights to be outdated? But what do you mean by equality…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 02:26 PM
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Male suicide has gone up not down. False. It's gone up for white men in their 30s and gone down for everyone else. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_suicide Where does it say that suicide has gone down for everyone else? A recent CDC report says that suicides have increased for both men and women, but at a far higher rate for men. Moreover, white men also happen to be men. Increase in Suicide in the United States, 1999–2014. More men aren't getting college educated. This is also fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 01:25 PM
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It was never about addressing any inequities men suffered vis a vis women, it was about equities suffered by women vis a vis men. I vsnt understand why you all think "fem"inism would be about helping men in this way No one would, but feminists constantly claim that feminism wants to and does help men too; that feminism is about equality and not just advantaging women. The original poster and others here have said just this. Men don't want feminism's help, but they are going to call it out if it …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 11:42 AM
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So yeah, in a gender swap, women would be just as guilty and in the wrong as men were, and they still would be judged based on sex. The only problem with this is that men, as a group, were not in the wrong in any meaningful sense. They had no more control over outcomes than women did. People are largely victims of circumstance, irrespective of their gender. They have zero control over the societies they are born into and insufficient knowledge to be ahead of their time by any sizeable amount or …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 11:11 AM
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It does seem like common sense. When people ask what you look for in a man, should you really have to say "not ugly, not stupid, not homeless, not abusive"? They're not asking about your minimum threshold, they're asking what traits make a guy stand out among the rest. No one's talking about anyone being ugly, stupid, homeless or abusive. Stop strawmanning and actually read men's replies, though I doubt your intention here is to respond in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 09:49 AM
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What I mean is, it's common sense that there is at least a base-line expectation of physical and sexual attractiveness (and also social skills, plus a base-line of general humanity) when considering partners. That goes without saying really. If anyone doesn't recognise that, then I'm a bit surprised. I suppose it's projection to think that guys should know that.. but it's kinda basic. Both sexes like good looking and charismatic people. Good looking is of course subjective (yes, I'm aware that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 11:59 PM
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From what multi-gender workplace study did you decide what was optimal? Common sense, observation, experience, reason and evidence can take you quite far when it comes to acquiring knowledge on this or any other matter. One need not look far. Here are some examples. Why Interacting with a Woman Can Leave Men "Cognitively Impaired". Single-Sex vs. Coed: The Evidence. Women scientists 'distract men, fall in love with them and cry when criticised,' says Nobel Prize winner Tim Hunt. Marine Corps Stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 11:42 PM
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I totally agree. I thought this was just common sense though.. Women's solipsism is common sense? Since when? Female solipsism is a phenomenon that has only really come to light in the manosphere and RP community. The mainstream BP world is still totally unaware of female solipsism or, at least, pretend that it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 09:16 PM
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Most men and women are perfectly capable of working together safely and productively. But not optimally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 05:57 PM
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There is no RP claim that RP men formerly believed that women were only interested in personality. That's a straw man. The situation is more nuanced than this. The idea promoted in popular culture and society, especially in prior years, is that women are more moral and less shallow than men; the women are wonderful effect. This, together with the fact that women often shame men for expressing their interest in looks, when it comes to mate selection and sexual interest, implies that women themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/18 02:42 PM
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Right, on some level biology affects how we live our lives. But AWALT and hypergamy and men having to hold frame is more sociology than biology, no? No, AWALT and hypergamy derive predominantly from biology. Holding frame is one of several strategies some RP men have devised to manage women. "Gender roles," as much as they exist for other species, look a lot different from our own. And we could have a society set up in a totally different way that results in the same amount of evolutionary succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/18 12:31 PM
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Human nature and society are not totally malleable. They are partially malleable, and not in a way that we fully understand. Neither is there agreement about whether we should even be engaged in heavy social engineering to begin with, who (if anyone) has the authority to do it and what we should be engineering people into. We are biological beings, so biology is always going to be a factor. The blank slate hypothesis of social constructionism, promulgated by feminism and post-modernism, is not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/18 11:47 AM
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Jesus Christ dude, how did you keep this going for so long? This lady is obviously completely unreasonable. Your points are all exceptional and exceptionally articulated, by the way. I wish I could express myself like that. But my Lord, man. Not for so long. You've got an incredible tolerance for insanity Yes, I know. Women be crazy, but it’s fun seeing their little hamstering minds wrestle with calm logic. There’s no point getting exasperated, since one knows what to expect and the unravelling …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/18 01:30 AM
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I should hope so, that is the point of communicating lol. Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 02:25 PM
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I personally felt my phrasing was satisfactory, but I'm glad you got the clarification you needed. Well, your predilections are clearer after our exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 02:22 PM
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you wrongly assumed that an emotional relationship was a prerequisite for a harem, in the way it is for polyamory I did not wrongly assume. All harems I could have theoretically would inevitably become polyamory because of who I am and who I would choose are partners. That would be your choice, but that isn't a necessary requirement to have a harem and you were not clear about your need to have an emotional relationship with the people you sleep with, in your first response.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 02:01 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep at night No, I'm just interested in the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 01:54 PM
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That's not how female sexuality works Yes, I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 01:53 PM
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What if the man's or men's emotional well-being was best served by not having an emotional relationship with a woman or having a less attached one and the relationship being primarily sexual? Is it really about their emotional well-being or yours? Then they aren't the kind of man I'd want to have sex with. I don't understand what is so contentious. I was simply clarifying the question asked, since you wrongly assumed that an emotional relationship was a prerequisite for a harem, in the way it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 01:16 PM
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Yes. I meant now Your question seemed more philosophical than contemporaneous, as if it wasn't philosophically possible. Who knows what the future may hold, as the flaws and errors in contemporary feminism are revealed to wide sections of the population and the Zeitgeist evolves?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 01:06 PM
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I answered the question how I wanted to answer it. I couldn't be with a man and not take interest in his emotional well being. Therefore it's not worth it to try and collect multiple partners. This presumes that a man's emotional well-being will be harmed by not having an emotional relationship with a woman or being in a harem, which is not the case. What if the man's or men's emotional well-being was best served by not having an emotional relationship with a woman or having a less attached one …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 12:56 PM
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Why would it be otherwise? It could conceivably be otherwise and apparently was prior to 2nd Wave feminism, before men were falsely identified as enemies of women and exclusively responsible for all of the world's problems. According to Camille Paglia in the clip below (7:25-9:10), the mood in feminism prior to the 2nd Wave was of admiration for men and a cheerful desire to learn from them, not an angry determination to denigrate men and seek redress or retribution for imagined male malevolence.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 11:50 AM
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It's a hot fantasy to indulge in once and a while, but just that, a fantasy. I would have zero interest in trying to take care multiple people romantically, I'm barely patient enough for one. She's not talking about polyamory. She's talking about having a harem. If you had a harem, you wouldn't have to take care of multiple people romantically. You would just select who you wanted to have sex with at a given time, the rest of the time they would entertain themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 11:15 AM
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If high value men don’t want monogamy why do most of them get married? This whole thing reads like typical incel projection. Social pressure, indoctrination, reputation and compassion for the woman in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 10:59 AM
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I'm curious what you think should be done to alter the law to result in more rape convictions (and not of falsely accused people). The goal shouldn't simply be more convictions. You can get more convictions easily, by undermining due process and lowering the standard of proof. The only problem is that many innocent people, usually men, will be wrongfully convicted. Of course, feminists are not much worried about that. For them, that's a price worth paying to convict more guilty men, only they do…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/18 06:36 AM
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Are you another incel type? In this particular case the solution is clearly less pondering and more going out and socializing No, I'm not an incel. The whole point of this forum is to discuss RP and BP perspectives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 10:27 PM
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Does every need have to be sated for a completely fulfilled human experience? according to Maslow, yes. if a person's lower level needs for social belonging and love have not been met, they won't be able to fulfill their higher level needs like self-esteem and self-actualization. Yes, but Maslow's hierarchy is not fact; it's opinion and it's flawed. There's not even agreement on it in the field of psychology, whence it come, and it has been disputed quite a bit within and outside of that field. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 08:27 PM
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It's about nuance, the obsessive navel gazing and over analyzing everything has become a huge problem here. Posing questions and questioning current orthodoxies is not navel gazing. Also, this is a debate and discussion forum, we are supposed to be analyzing the subject matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 08:05 PM
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"As a higher thinking creature" Oh god here comes the INTP drivel about sex drive and "fun" being below these superior beings of pure intellect 🙄 For your sake, get some drugs, get a girl, and tone down the introspection dude . What's wrong with introspection? The greatest advancement in human knowledge has come from introspection. What's with all the anti-intellectualism in this place these days? This is a debate and discussion forum. Have you no intellectual curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 06:28 PM
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Well for the majority of 'normal' people intimacy falls under Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. A desire for of belonging and validation is what allowed us to thrive in civilization and become what we are today. Maslow's hierarchy of needs is not fact. It's an opinion and a flawed one. It also indoctrinates people about what it means to be human. Interestingly, someone posted a video on YouTube a few days ago about the limiting effects of Maslow's hierarchy, which incidentally, was never presented by…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 05:37 PM
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A couple being "in-love" is primarily about mutual sexual attraction and mutual affection. If sexual attraction or affection is lost, the relationship may still endure, but it will be more associative than being "in-love". The heady notion of being in-love will transfer to the more mundane idea of being roomies, who may sleep with each other from time to time and who share a life together.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 10:05 AM
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Yes, most men prefer low drama, low maintenance, humble, nice girls, provided there is no let-up in the sexual department. However, sometimes there is a let-up or the sex does not promise to be as good, in which case some men will tolerate crazy women in order to have crazy uninhibited sex. Also, I think that men feel less guilt doing crazy shit in bed with a crazy person than a nice person, so some may bypass nice girls out of genuine compassion for the girl and self-consciousness, because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/18 09:23 AM
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You notice how you gave zero examples in your rant. I am also not a feminist, but if painting everyone you disagree with as a feminist helps you, go right ahead. So you don't believe in patriarchal oppression or that feminism is needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:30 PM
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The reality on the ground is that in 1865, 2 million black women were legal property. So no it is not true that women were never property. Black women are women too. Can't you just admit you misspoke and let it go? You clearly know what I meant. Yes, black women were property, but so were black men. When Western feminists misrepresent how women lived in the past by saying that they were legally considered property, they are not referring to black women, because then they lose their gender exclus…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:26 PM
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You said women were never property. Wrong. You're wrong. I said that women were not treated like property, in the disposable sense. Women were considered a man's chattel, in the same way that children were, yet we don't misrepresent children as having lived under a system of slavery in the way that feminists do in relation to women. As I said before, the care of women was men's responsibility, in the way that the care of children was, due to the onerous challenges of survival. Confusing legal te…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:44 AM
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So? So, get your facts straight before you spew ignorance. Learn to read and comprehend. There was nothing wrong with my facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:10 AM
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Legal technicalities in no way confirm the fact that women were literally treated as property. Every woman in my family prior to 1865 was in fact legal property. So? Companies in some areas have the status of personhood. That doesn't mean that they are literally seen or treated as people by the population. The law has these quirks sometimes. As I said, legal technicalities do not describe the reality of existence on the ground or how people actually relate to each other and legal designations. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 10:47 AM
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Thank you. This is exactly what I was talking about. No problem. I find it hard to believe that Electra_Cute does not recognise what I described, but as a staunch feminist and RP critic, she has to lie to herself and RPers here about the insidious influence of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 09:17 AM
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Prob we girls would be back to being the “property” of the men in our lives. No, gender divisions arose out of more primitive, religious and technologically underdeveloped periods. It wasn't a case of evil men consciously deciding to arrange society how it was in the past. Also, this notion of women as property misrepresents the reality of existence for everyone during this period. Provisioning for women was men's responsibility, given the challenges of surviving during those periods. Legal tech…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 02:03 AM
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I can't believe men today are whining about having to modify behaviour at school or work. Booo why can't boys be boys wahhhh we are such victims! Well so do women and we try to shrug off clumsy attempts at flirting or unwanted sexual advances by modifying our workplace behaviour and self policing. Your irrational ravings don't change the facts of the matter. Pointing something out is not whining. Patrice O'Neal discusses the same type of issue below, though in the context of a relationship. He's…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:54 AM
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I am not upset you like Trumpy you just can't call yourself a lefty. It is okay for you to bow down to him . I won't tell anybody. I'll call myself whatever I want, thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:31 AM
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Yah you are not a lefty if you are busy getting tingles from Trump. I'm not getting tingles from anyone, thank you very much. Trump is an idiot, but he's one of many on the political scene. Bernie was my man, but the Democrats screwed him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:16 AM
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My point being, women modify their behavior at work to be more professional too. I often catch myself answering calls and speaking to everyone in a high pitched chirpy fake cheerful work voice that is totally not my own normal speaking voice when I am with friends. I try to stop but do it out of politeness. Please stop assuming victim status for no reason. We've been through this. It's not symmetrical. Refer back to the discussion. You're the only one referring to victim status. I'm just speakin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:14 AM
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If people think a fat old dude shouting some stuff is macho then that is pretty sad. It's more about the DGAF attitude, which even for me, a lefty, was a breath of fresh air from the insipid, politically correct, platitudes and, disingenuous, gynocentric fawning of Obama.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:09 AM
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Whatever, I too want to sing aloud, wear neon coloured tights, glittery open toed sandals and cuss as I please at work but the old male farts are all about imposing workplace standards, dress codes and professionalism. Should I cry about the oppresive old fogeys (and the odd women higherups in engineering) who impose strict professional standards forcing me to modify my natural female behaviour at work? Wahhhhhhh I am a victim too! You're being ridiculous. No one's crying about anything. We were…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 12:00 AM
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By the way, what Tim Hunt said "women scientists are so distracting, you fall in love, they fall in love, you criticise and they cry. there should be gender segregated labs" was entirely a joke and a disingenous statement. It was a funny opener to the rest of his speech addressing women scientists and it was meant to poke fun at himself and the stereotype of women scientists. Some journalists took the joke out of context and it became a huge hooha. He is British and being self deprecating, you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 11:09 PM
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The dude is 75. Who is falling in love with him lmao?! How are women scientists distracting? By simply existing? Most of them dress in dowdy clothes and labcoats, not ballgowns. He probably is thirsty as fuck and thinks every woman who wears a skirt and smiles at him in politeness or fear of being rude is trying to flirt with him on purpose or distract him. Weird old fogeys like that do not realize that when they talk about how women are distracting, it reveals more about themselves and their ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 10:19 PM
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Could be. I am not an alienated man so I am speaking from observation. I mean really though what has he done for alienated men? Bloviating and mumbling some shit on twitter is cute but so what? His unabashed machismo was an antidote for a lot of men, and women, who felt browbeaten by political correctness gone mad and the perpetual mainstream denigration of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 10:06 PM
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Whatever, nobody wants to see men at work act like people in the 1950s again, whatever this normal professional self is. We can watch Mad Men or any ancient historical war drama to see how male ego taken to extremes is terrible for entire societies. I have no wish to relive it. You probably wish pilots could smoke in cockpits like in the 1970s again because it is stree-relieving for men's normal professional selves. Never mind the fatal cases of cockpit fires that led to crashes. No one's talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 09:58 PM
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There are a lot of people in the US who would vote for a corpse over HRC so they defaulted to Trump out of malice and did not care who they were voting for. Things were close because the US is pretty divided. Many factors went into Trump's victory and alienated men was one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 09:34 PM
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Well you are delusional if you think women don't feign congenitality and innocuity around their colleagues and bosses. Isn't that what everyone does at work, male or female?! Do you think the janitor, air stewardess or McDonald's worker wants to greet you politely and wait 5 minutes for crying children to decide what to eat? They feign congeniality even if they want to rip their hair out. Do you think the female doctor or nurse wants to help an obese male patient clean up a diabetic anal abscess…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 09:29 PM
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I didn't mention anything about locker room talk. I even said that this has nothing to do with behaving professionally. See relevant quote: "They [men] often feign greater congeniality and innocuity around women in working environments, to avoid intimidating or repelling them. It has nothing to do with behaving professionally".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 08:34 PM
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men are more self-conscious around women than they are around men and change their behaviour specifically around women. Exactly. The entire dynamics of a roomful or conversational group of men change immediately when a woman comes into earshot. Happens everywhere - at a party, at dinner, at church, and especially at work. And it happens at work because we know damn well if we say ANYTHING some woman doesn't like, we'll be hauled in to HR by the end of the day for a good talking to and some 'spla…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 08:04 PM
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That's why Trump has had 3 wives while most Average Joes have one if they're lucky. You mean unlucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:51 PM
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Next, plenty of women hated Hilary and voted for Trump so she did not lose because she "alienated men" she lost because she alienated traditional white working class voters, she ran a lifeless campaign and Americans vote based on how they feel not what they think while Trump ran a much better straight forward one. Hillary didn't lose solely because she alienated men, but that would have been a contributing factor. There weren't many votes in it, so the votes of those alienated men were an import…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:48 PM
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I think most people do not even care about it to be honest past some shallow virtue signalling. I think if you are in a certain major there will be a lot of "feminism" - of course - but outside of that most people just go to school and do what they do. Whether they consciously care about it or not, it still affects them and by extension the rest of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:12 PM
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Everyone acts differently at work no matter what sex, and everyone should. In a professional setting you should be professional. Yes, but men are more self-conscious around women than they are around men and change their behaviour specifically around women. That's what u/LewisCross was saying, that women "are not really seeing a man as he really is when" they work with him, which you called a "pile of horse shit". The study I linked to in my prior post found that men, but not women, were negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 07:08 PM
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Good points. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 05:30 PM
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What a pile of horse shit. I’ve worked in a majority women dominated field (pharmacy) for 12 years. I don’t put on a facade and never have. My department of 160 is 85% women. I have problems what-so-ever. The fact that do says more about you than the people you have worked with. The fact that you think you don't put on a facade doesn't negate the fact that many men do. Do you really think that most men do not hold a lot back in their interactions with women, that they are completely themselves a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 05:26 PM
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Another empty vague statement about feminism, I wish I could be surprised at this point.. You do realize how many people actually do not care about feminism, right? People don't necessarily use the word feminism or even know that many of their views derive from the pervasive influence of feminism, but that doesn't mean that the effects of feminist output are not a huge factor in people's world view or the window within which public debate and ideas are framed. A large part of feminism's success …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 05:02 PM
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Im glad almost everyone here agrees that even if women care about personality it doesnt mean they care about the man being good person. As you and others said this is a huge fucking misunderstanding which hits obedient betas the most Yes, but remember you are on PPD. In the politically correct BP fantasy world that is mainstream Western society, the prevailing view is that women are wonderful, and are therefore deeper and more virtuous than men. The kind of insights expressed here are not the no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 01:51 PM
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Why is caring about personality, as opposed to looks, seen as virtuous and deep? It's not. It was always women who said that men were shallow for caring about or prioritising looks, which gave men the impression that women did not care about looks as much, when the reality was that they did, they just didn't like men caring about looks, if they themselves happened to not be very attractive or less attractive than other women. That's their own hypocrisy. Also, the assumption was that caring about…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/18 06:13 AM
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4 decades of being a black woman in the US has “indoctrinated” me, brah. GFY Yes, you have been indoctrinated. Your experiences do not account for everyone else's experiences, particularly not men's. GFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 08:46 PM
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What I see from those charts is that young white men specifically are consistently pulled over at higher rates than black women. Young white men are still white men. In any case, according to those charts, even older white men get pulled over more than black women of the same age. And I’d be willing to bet that the counties where the rates of white men getting pulled over are significantly higher tend to be full of poor white people. Reference my very first comment. I’m sure a big portion of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 08:18 PM
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Black women benefit from it by virtue of being women In the criminal justice system only. And they are convicted and serve sentence far longer than white women do. You’ve had ample time to prove otherwise and you haven’t so quit the circle jerking. It extends beyond the criminal justice system and I've already demonstrated it. It's not my problem if you don't get it. provided they don't disqualify themselves by demonstrably acting in a very poor manner. Proves my original statement that WAW only…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 07:44 PM
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Give me one example of how black women, poor women, fat women are assumed to be morally superior. This is such a blatant lie. This is what the women are wonderful effect is. Black women benefit from it by virtue of being women, provided they don't disqualify themselves by demonstrably acting in a very poor manner. appear normal and do not display pathological behaviour You literally just did yourself -- "well they're not but most of them are pathological so that explains it." GTFOH. I never said…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 07:23 PM
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I don't know. No, you don't. Nor do you. There is a wealth of research on this topic. There's no excuse to be ignorant about it if you're going to attempt to speak with authority. Black women get pulled over a higher rates and not just in predominantly black neighborhoods, in white and more well off neighborhoods too. Black women are shot by police at higher rates. In fact, black women are the most likely of any group to be unarmed when shot by police I wish I had a dollar for every white friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 07:20 PM
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Greater suspicion of wrongdoing or the capacity for wrongdoing is attached to white men than it is to black women Whats the per capita rate of white men being pulled over vs black women? I don't know, but it's black men who get pulled over and profiled by police disproportionately, not black women. It's probably fairly comparable between white men and black women. In any case, getting pulled over is not the benchmark for suspicion of wrongdoing or the capacity for wrongdoing. It is merely one da…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 10:55 AM
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And those assumptions about superior mortality are not made of women in those groups, with the exception of older women. Yes they are, provided the women in question appear normal and do not display pathological behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/18 10:45 AM
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outstide of sentencing can you come up with one example where white men are not favored over women of color? Yes, white men are considered more evil than black women. Greater suspicion of wrongdoing or the capacity for wrongdoing is attached to white men than it is to black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 11:04 PM
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The women are wonderful narrative doesn't apply to women of color. Or poor white women. Or single mothers. Or older women. Or women who challenge stereotypes or attempt to take on a roles traditionally reserved for men. Or fat or ugly women. It's an "attractive white middle class women of reproductive age with no OOW kids who don't step over the line or compromise their femininity are wonderful" narrative. inb4 TRP/mgotw/incel hammer me -- how many of you have ever put any of the above women on …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 10:42 PM
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nawalt 9 times out of 10 they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 09:34 AM
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Once a man no longer validates himself with women No such thing. Yes there is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:58 PM
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Why do most very-high-value men get married instead of following their supposed "sexual imperative"? Social pressure and reputation. Many very-high-value men are still having extramarital sex on the side. Marriage is often and probably even usually just for show.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:45 PM
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Not interested in marriage, but if I had to marry I would choose the office worker. One would think that she would be easier to please and more appreciative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 07:39 PM
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My comment history is all of four pages long. If you can't care enough to poke around, then I don't see why I should. I'm not going to read four pages of your history when you could easily link to the relevant post or provide a brief explanation here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:36 PM
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And somehow I was able to find this in less than fifteen seconds. If you can't care enough to poke around, then I don't see why I should. Of course you're able to find it in less than fifteen seconds, if it exists at all. It's your own comment history.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:44 PM
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you can read them in my comment history, should you so choose. I couldn't see them anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 07:06 PM
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There are very good reasons for the rule about not invalidating and you can read them in my comment history, should you so choose. Please take your concerns to modmail if you would like further explanation. What are those "very good" reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:20 PM
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Other than reproduction, humans are good for nothing. Unless you're doing something that makes the world a better place, your mom should have swallowed. You don't need to reproduce to add something to the world or make it a better place. Plenty of people who have reproduced have added nothing or little, and plenty of people who haven't have made great contributions to the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 02:18 PM
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Cause when you're old, you'll have nothing. Couples in their 50-60s with no children seem so sad. Even if they act out that they never wanted kids. Them sitting there with nothing to live for beside my parents who have 4 kids and 11 grandkids. You have nothing, regardless. We're all going to die anyway. Anyone with a strong sense of reason shouldn't be sad if they remain childless. The important thing is that they get enjoyment and fulfilment from their life. That can happen with or without chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:46 AM
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You're seeing it because that's what you want to see, and desperately need to believe is true This was what got your comment deleted. Take further concerns to modmail. So this is all it takes to get a comment deleted in this place now? PPD is becoming more feminized by the day. Your earlier comment, telling him not to invalidate other people's lived experiences, sounds like the safe space nonsense feminists promulgate wherever they go. This is PPD, not TwoXChromosomes, but it just goes to show h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:28 AM
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People are taking his rape comment too literally. He was merely making a point about how men have to be very careful around women these days. People should learn to distinguish between figurative and literal speech. Obviously, people who are autistic have an excuse. Flirting will clearly not usually lead to a false rape accusation, even though that might still be a very slim possibility. However, flirting can easily lead to accusations of sexual harassment, which can ruin reputations, especially…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:52 AM
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Men should do what they want. Many men are not interested in marriage or kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:33 AM
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Haha you didn’t really address what I said. Funny how you talk around the point because you know you are wrong lol. Why would I address straw men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 08:07 AM
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So... selection bias. Everyone you know in your life is representative for everyone in the country ever? Look up some stats. All marriages are not miserable. Maybe in your circle. But that says more about the company you keep. Observation is not restricted to a person's life or circle. It encompasses everything that their senses and mental faculties encounter, irrespective of source or medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 07:33 AM
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Proof? Observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 07:19 AM
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No. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/18 12:32 AM
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Is masculinity fragile if it needs a margin of safety that wide? (I am kidding you, but that does sound like a totally valid general way to have some good sex). It’s not a case of masculinity being fragile. It’s a case of being treated with respect, which is an important incentive for a man to give up his freedom by entering a monogamous relationship. A man does not and should not sacrifice his freedom lightly. The gynocentric arrangement of modern relationships provide insufficient incentive fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 09:29 AM
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That’s unfortunate! I just can’t say I have ever felt like that. I have had very difficult and demanding partners, but i was also difficult and demanding, and sometimes I found they were better at being resilient and also giving me what i wanted than weak willed people. In any event, i feel sorry that people have that experience. That's the reality of most marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 02:20 AM
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Why would anyone ever stay with someone like that? I wouldn’t! I don’t understand why it’s a helpful term then, bc that’s just being a universally shitty partner all together! Men stay in these kind of relationships all the time. The lack of respect and lack of attraction need not be so brazen that it is bordering on abusive or is totally dismissive and explicitly stated. It's usually more of an implicit vibe. It's the everyday, low-level, passive aggressive behaviour from women that typifies th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/18 02:03 AM
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What decline? Before the natural cosmological end of the world, we're not going to go back to the Stone Age short of thermonuclear war, a worldwide pandemic, environmental catastrophe or some sort of freak meteoric accident. As for social decline, the world has always been far from perfect and will remain so for its entire existence. As usual, we'll continue to adapt and change as circumstances change. However, not much of this matters because life is finite and we all die within a relatively sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 10:12 AM
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Very few. It's exceptionally hard and perhaps impossible for a woman to compete with freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 09:15 AM
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He appears to be exploring the degree to which society’s heightened negative reaction to incest further traumatizes victims of incest and how high sensitivities around this issue may inhibit fathers touching and being affectionate with their children, in non-incestuous ways. He literally said "genital caressing." He literally said: "Millions of people are refraining from touching, holding, and genitally caressing their children. Maybe this needs repressing, maybe it doesn't." It's right there fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/18 01:11 AM
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Yes you’re right. What he actually did was advocate for fathers to be able sexually abuse their daughters: http://ephebophiles1.rssing.com/chan-4723371/all_p2.html Because dad enjoyed the experience. daughter did not but shes just been brainwashed to think incest is a bad thing. Sick fucker. Don’t be ridiculous. Nowhere does he advocate for fathers to be able to sexually abuse their daughters. He appears to be exploring the degree to which society’s heightened negative reaction to incest further…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/18 10:51 PM
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probably always leads to a factual and convincing arguememt Not always, but regularly it does. Part of privilege is about being rich and there have always probably been more rich women than there have been men, given how wealth usually gets transfered. There are many forms of privilege, including female privilege. We're talking about white privilege. It exists whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And white privilege has nothing to do with being rich. Layoff the "whataboutism" cause its get…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 08:12 PM
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Oh yay. Another foreigner who thinks they understand American culture. Privilege is not being rich. Privilege is being assumed to be more qualified for the job. Assumed to be more capable. Assumed to not to be a criminal and shot. White men have that privilege. People of color do not. Let’s talk about assumptions. The white men I hear whining the most about being assumed to be oppressors turn around and make gross assumptions about women and POC. You gets no sympathy when you keep perpetuating t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 06:06 PM
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But they don’t demonstrate systemic discrimination against white men either. The discrimination is about gender, not colour. White men, being a constituent part of the male gender, therefore experience that discrimination as men. Having said that, white men do face a unique form of discrimination as feminist symbols of privilege and historical oppression, despite the fact that most white men have never been that privileged or in a position to oppress anyone and that white men today had nothing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 04:01 PM
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4 of 5 of those stats disproportionately include black and Hispanic men. The 5th, that men are seen as abusers, is far more commonly applied to black and hispanic men— often by white men in the manosphere ironically. this isn’t proof of systemic discrimination against white men. I said white men, didn’t I? All of these issues affect men of all colours, including white men. The fact that minority groups may be overrepresented in some categories does not negate the fact that these issues affect wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 03:21 PM
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How do white men in the west experience discrimination as a group? Here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 01:39 PM
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The irony of this is that of all the “men have it so bad stats” that MRAs throw around if you removed men of color from the data, you’d see that white men don’t have it bad at all. So maybe you’re fighting the wrong enemy? Clearly, black men have it far worse, but all men encounter discrimination in the West solely because of their gender. That doesn't mean that they are oppressed in any meaningful sense, as black slaves were or Jewish people were during the Holocaust, but it does mean that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:59 PM
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Is that a dig at feminists or black people? Neither, it's a statement of fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:41 PM
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Warren Farrel did himself in by advocating for men to be able to have sex with underage girls. And Paul Elam is a known crook. Find better leaders. Farrell did no such thing and having questionable leaders has not slowed down the course of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:40 PM
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If black people had waited until white people accepted our protests and did fire or lynch us for it,we’d still be at the back of the bus. If conditions are so horrible, you have to make those sacrifices to make things better. That’s what being an activist is about, not tweeting from the comfort of your house and pretending you did something. One can't compare the historical struggle of black people to modern discrimination against men. Obviously, things are not anywhere near that bad for men, de…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:33 PM
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Still incredibly ironic. If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:19 PM
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You have to admit it’s pretty ironic that above poster picks a blog by a woman, praising a men’s rights advocacy group led by another woman, when the subject of the original post is about why men aren’t protesting en masse for men’s rights issues. Well, he was addressing the accusation that MRA groups were not doing anything. Women are involved in MRA groups too and they obviously work closely with men. It's not the case that they work on their own, whilst the men do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 12:05 PM
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So the leaders of the mrp are women? Very nice of Diana Thompson and Straughan Lol. I think the question is why are you GUYS not standing up for yourselves. There are male MRA figureheads, but it seems that society is less willing to listen to men than women. People like Warren Farrell, Herb Goldberg, Harry Crouch and Paul Elam have been talking about this stuff for years. Nevertheless, they still continue and try to advance equal rights for men. The National Coalition for Men recently celebrate…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 11:40 AM
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This is a cop out. I’m a dude, have been gainfully employee my entire adult life, and work at a Catholic high school. I am pretty outspoken about a lot of leftist things. Sure, there are plenty of things I hold my tongue on, but it takes a LOT to become unhireable. Being left-wing is not an issue. Making an issue of discrimination against men or how feminism assaults men's rights could get you labelled a hate figure and forever ostracized from mainstream society, with very little support or oppo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/18 10:57 AM
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but this is a post on peopel complainign about what othe rpeopel claim to want, not debating issues This forum is not soley about debate. It's also about discussion. Asking a question is not complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:54 PM
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these qs are gettign ridiculous. women, WOMEN, see mens choices through the lens of FEMALE INTEREST and the FEMALE IMPERATIVE. who sees these things as alternately good and bad? women. men see it the OTHER WAY AROUND! "why are men lauded by men for mgtowing and spending their lives spinnign plates but they see career women refusing marriage, rididng the CC and getting sperm bank babies at 38 as bad? huh huh?" same Q stop paying attention to womens vaporing about men's choices and live your lives…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:51 PM
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However if a man hates women or wants to terrorize a woman in particular rape has been an effective tactic for a millennia. Rape as an act of war has been around for a very, very long time. I doubt the men doing it where ultimately motivated by how attractive they found the conquered women. I think sexual drive is practically always a factor when it comes to male to female rape. Certainly, it may not always purely be about the sexual drive, but rape usually will not occur without it. Moreover, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/18 07:08 PM
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With male to female rape, there almost always will be a strong sexual aspect to it, I believe this can be the case for date rape but not stranger rape or rape as an act of war. I don't think the sexual component can ever really be taken out of rape, especially when an erect penis is involved. Also, if the mechanism by which men were made asexual was the removal or reduction of testosterone This was not a part of the hypothetical. I know, I just made that comment in response to your comment quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:52 PM
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IMO the objective answer would be something like "I see both sides but here is where my values lie". But in any event, my point is given the nature of our topics here, it is not necessarily abnormal to see people arguing this way, and I do not think it makes them "bad" or something. No, it's not abnormal, but nor is it ridiculous to believe that people can or should be more objective. Of course, it doesn't mean that they are bad people if they cannot manage this, just that they lack objectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:40 PM
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I mean I don’t think it’s about being inconsistent or unfair. It’s about the personal nature of many of these topics. So I’ll give you an example. “Marriage as a dealbreaker” men would be more likely to say if a woman truly loves you she won’t require this when push comes to shove. And occasionally when we have threads on this topic you’ll get some dudes basically being a little shamey about it like accusing users of not really loving their SOs or trying to “enslave him” or something. OTOH, wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:16 PM
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Can we really expect the kind of men that would do this to respect boundaries? The kind of men that would do what, want casual sex? Practically all men will take casual sex if they can get it. Wanting casual sex is not some sort of objective character flaw. Men have evolved to want lots of sex with different women, that doesn't mean that they are going to intentionally abuse a situation when a woman is clear about her boundaries. If they are not interested or willing to submit to that vision, mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 10:48 PM
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Of course, and that is IMO an admirable thing to strive for, but I mean think of the topics on this sub. You think people’s perspectives and opinions wrt these topics aren’t gonna be viewed through the lens of what they themselves want, and what makes sense to them from their own perspective as [trait/characteristic]? Of course, some people may think like this, but many people don't. Interestingly, research shows that in-group bias tends to be much stronger amongst women than it is amongst men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 10:33 PM
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The issue is the potential to do harm. When women decide to focus on their career it's a personal decision that doesn't involve anyone else to make it happen. Her contributions are a net positive to herself and others. When men plate spin it's usually assumed they're doing it without the girls knowing what'sgoing on. The time those girls waste with him is a net positive for himself, but a net negative for who he uses to get what he wants. That's manipulation of others for personal gain, not a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 10:20 PM
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Maintaining multiple sexual relationships is exhausting and takes away from hobbies, interests, and career. One doesn't have to maintain a constant rotating harem if they're exhausted. They have the freedom to arrange their priorities however they wish and can supplement their sexual activity with porn or sex workers. They could just maintain one casual sexual relationship if they wanted. It's up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 10:12 PM
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"CMV: men shouldn't be here at PPD because they post from a man's perspective" (I mean do you see how ridiculous this is?) One's perspective need not be inextricably tied to their gender. That's the mistake that identity politics makes. Your identity does not determine your point of view or ideas. One can be rational, dispassionate, fair and empathetic. These are not uncommon attributes. The functioning of our legal systems depend on this kind of objectivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 09:59 PM
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I am pretty sure that most feminist theory even says that rape has little to do with sex and everything to do with power. Yes, and they are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 09:39 PM
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Wait. What? I don’t think rape or assault is happening due to purely sexual drives. Are you saying none of these men have the mental issues that lead them to violence because they are now asexual? Rape and general violence are two different things. With male to female rape, there almost always will be a strong sexual aspect to it, especially since an erection is usually required. I don't imagine that you get many instances of asexual men raping women. Also, if the mechanism by which men were mad…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 09:38 PM
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Wait. What? I don’t think rape or assault is happening due to purely sexual drives. Are you saying none of these men have the mental issues that lead them to violence because they are now asexual? Rape and general violence are two different things. With male to female rape, there almost always will be a sexual aspect to it, especially since an erection is usually required. I don't imagine that you get many instances of asexual men raping women. Also, if the mechanism by which men were made asexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 09:37 PM
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Good question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 09:16 PM
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You were just being genuinely insulting, it's a tactic people use when they know they're wrong. It wasn't a tactic. It was a question. As for debating him, I told him I wasn't interested in debating him. Not because I think I'm wrong, but just because I wasn't interested. I've had countless similar debates on here and am very good at it, as my history will attest. I've just got better things to do. Moreover, BiggerDthanYou does not debate in good faith, from what I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 06:44 PM
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It wasn't an attack. It was a genuine question, Sure it was. It was, though of course I knew it could also be taken as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 06:01 PM
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Genuine question, are you on the autistic spectrum?Even if you were right this ad hominem attack illustrates to the rest of us that your argument is weak. It wasn't an attack. It was a genuine question, because BiggerDthanYou is a longstanding participant of PPD who seems obsessed with this forum and never seems to tire of having the exact same debate on the same issues again and again with RP proponents. To what end I don't know. Little that is new arises here once you have been here a while. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 05:27 PM
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Then list a few TRP theories that hold up to scrutiny. Which TRP theories are based on truth and facts? I have no interest in engaging you on this matter. Also, it's not simply about TRP, but the RP more generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 03:01 PM
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No, it's your problem that in your subjective opinion you cannot see anything that the RP has to say that bears any resemblance to reality. But their theories are evidently not based on reality, but on wishful thinking and hurt feelings. It's your problem because no one else cares and because it demonstrates a complete lack of discernment on your part, which is your limitation. Genuine question, are you on the autistic spectrum? Would you consider disagreeing with flat earthers, creationists, as…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 02:33 PM
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Tell that to the fatherless kids. Fatherless kids have as much to do with women and the state as they do with fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 02:24 PM
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That's your problem. How is it my problem that TRPers have an aversion to facts and instead rely on their feelings instead? I've read the sidebar. The best sources they offer are other RP blogs, their personal anecdotes or quotes of Schopenhauer. That isn't "truth and fact", that's "stereotypes and feelings". No, it's your problem that in your subjective opinion you cannot see anything that the RP has to say that bears any resemblance to reality. It's your problem because no one else cares and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 02:06 PM
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Given that a lot, though not all, of what the RP has to say is based in truth and fact I can't think of a single RP theory that is based in truth and fact, and not on bitterness or hyperbolic misinterpretations. That's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 01:48 PM
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As with anything, the RP is a mixed bag. Some things will be correct and others incorrect. The importance of the RP is that it questions the generally unquestioned received wisdom of BP thought. It's not so much about all of the idiosyncrasies. Given that a lot, though not all, of what the RP has to say is based in truth and fact, I suspect that it will resonate with a lot of what people experience in the real world and that the Overton window will shift as more people become aware of it, toward…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 11:08 AM
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Blue pill doesn't have any concrete advice because it encompasses all other advice that is not red pill. And a lot of that is because blue men have had betterromantic opportunities which is why they aren't red in the first place. The issue is not simply about better romantic opportunities. The issue is also about gynocentricism. Many BP relationships or arrangements disproportionately favour the woman. RPers are not interested in being a beta bux or in any relationship that is too gynocentric, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:58 AM
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I have a long story about trying to help out an incel friend and it backfired on me. The thoughts by men (here on PPD) that make me sad are the ones where they want to abandon their own children. I don't know that men want to abandon their children anymore than women do. I think what some of the men here have an issue with is having fewer reproductive rights than women and also being forced by the government, in respect of child support, above and beyond what would occur if they had custody of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:46 AM
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What is considered moderate is relative. One should certainly be humble and tread carefully when trying to understand the world, given human ignorance, limitation and the capacity for error. However, it's not prudent to be moderate, in respect of two polarised positions, simply for the sake of being moderate. What if one of those two polarised positions is wrong and the other is right? One should also be aware of the extreme centre, which often masquerades as moderation, when it is in actual fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/18 07:35 AM
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Q4Men: What would it take to put an end to male disposability? What is to say that it can ever end, since men are the stronger sex? However, what would go towards mitigating it would be widespread acceptance of humanistic principles, together with the recognition that all human beings are vulnerable and that men are human.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 11:19 AM
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Why do approx 2/3rds of divorced men remarry? The same reasons why they get married in the first place. Ignorance, indoctrination, social pressure and a sense of obligation towards the woman. Even Tom Leykis got married four times, but he now recognises that he was too brainwashed to know any better, as he explains in part 1 of the linked interview. In part 2, he also says that he did not want to get married on the last two occasions and said so, but got married anyway because the women wanted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/18 09:53 PM
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Well that makes it easy! Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 07:17 PM
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Youre trying to argue some women are as bad as incels. Youre autistic as fuck I didn't make a value judgement. I said men and women communicate differently, not to mention that they experience the world differently. And no, I'm not on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 05:35 PM
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I have heard of that before actually. Check it out. It's very insightful. It's also widely available online in PDF.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:40 PM
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So much stretching Yes, the hamster is strong with this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:06 PM
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Yeah, I highly doubt most women are out there seeking to exploit men and use them for "fun and profit". You should read The Manipulated Man. It's written by a woman too, a physician no less, Esther Vilar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 10:24 AM
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If you want to be logical, try to prove yourself wrong rather than trying to prove yourself right. I'm just interested in reality and the truth, wherever those cards may fall. Most women, however, will default to denial and wishful thinking if the facts are inconvenient to their preferred outcome. The last thing they will want to do is employ or accept dispassionate reason, which is why they are often accused of being emotional and irrational by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 10:06 AM
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She mentioned that because someone asked "which would be a bigger turnoff for you" and making significantly more money wasn't an option. Yes, but someone who wasn't hypergamous would have said that making less money than them wasn't a turnoff or an issue. Incidentally, this whole debate is a perfect example of the female solipsism and hamstering that the RP talk about in women. I've bombarded both of you with blatantly superior logic, facts and common sense regarding your NAWALT claim and Chemis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 04:07 AM
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Believe whatever you want, but don't use me as an example. I'll do whatever I want, thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:02 AM
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Actually, I can definitively say that you are wrong there. We met in grad school, where we both made the same, paltry wage. We are going into equally well paid fields. But he graduated sooner and has been making substantially more than me. I'm not more or less attracted to him, but I am unhappy with the difference and an now much more eager to graduate and get a real job myself. So again, stop making assumptions about be. I'm talking generally. If you overtook your boyfriend and he started to la…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:55 AM
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I have an aversion to men that make more than me. Stop making assumptions. I don't believe you. I don't believe that a man who makes more than you is as likely to be a turn off for you as a man who makes less than you, all other things being equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:47 AM
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Yes, I wouldn't want a guy to make too much more than me either. I certainly wouldn't want him to be spending money on me. It wouldn't turn her off if a man was making more money than her, but it would turn her off if he was making less money than her. She said so herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:44 AM
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She also expressed an aversion to men that make more than her. No she didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:21 AM
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Find me corner of the internet where women plot violence against men as rabidly as incels. I’ve never seen it and I read all sorts of feminist blogs. Talking smack online is not plotting violence. Men and women communicate differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:20 AM
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So even if a woman doesn't exhibit hypergamy you still see her as an example of awalt, because of assumptions of what she might do if circumstances were different. In other words, you are trying to prove your theory is true, not false. She has exhibited hypergamy by expressing an aversion to being romantically involved with men who cannot match her financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:18 AM
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Well now you are just making assumptions about what she might do under different circumstances. Not what she's actually done. No, I'm using her own words to display where her proclivities lie, which is consistent with what research and the RP says about women's preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 02:02 AM
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I’ve never heard of a group of women plot to mow down a crowd because men weren’t nice enough to her. You’d think rape victims would given their legitimate grievance against men, but the truth is women aren’t nearly as motivated to inflict external pain on people because things don’t go their way. We’re not as hateful. Women don't have as much ability as men to cause physical harm, but they still commit acts of violence and kill men in the process. In any case, this is atypical behaviour from me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:58 AM
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u/gasparddelanuit Yes, I wouldn't want a guy to make too much more than me either. I certainly wouldn't want him to be spending money on me. You wouldn't lose attraction to him if he did make a lot more than you. You'd probably be quite impressed and perhaps even more attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:51 AM
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/u/TheChemist158 do you also prefer a man who you can keep up with financially? As I said before, her objection is to a man who cannot keep up, not to one who exceeds her. In any case, this is about lizard brain attraction, not self-conscious or self-serving rationalization. It's more likely, all other things being equal, that she would lose attraction to a man who could not keep up or even just matched her financially than one who exceeded her financially. Obviously, exceeding her is not going …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:48 AM
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Did she say that's what she preferred? Yes, she talked about preferring men who can keep up with her financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 01:17 AM
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Because we’re not as hateful, entitled, and exploitative as men are. Yes you are. You're just not as rational and dispassionate. You're more emotional and partial to comforting analysis, irrespective of the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 12:27 AM
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She has said in the past that she plans on contributing 50% despite what he makes. So she will always pull her own weight even if he ends up making more. That's not the point. The point is the preference, what attracts women. Being an AWALT does not mean that you are a bad person. It just describes women's nature. Of course, if they are aware of their nature, they can mitigate against it if they so choose, but you cannot negotiate attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 11:07 PM
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Choosing a partner of equal socioeconomic status is homogamy, not hypergamy. Yes, but she would not have an issue if her partner exceeded her success, just if he fell behind her success. Women don't just look at one's current position, they also try to evaluate potential and predict future trajectories.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:47 PM
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Well I just gave my opinion. Disagree all you want it's not going to change my mind about her. And she's been with the same guy since I met her and he was the first guy she ever slept with so I think that counts as loyalty. Like I said, what you think or feel is immaterial and I am not trying to change your mind. I was just objectively applying the definition of NAWALT. Also, hypergamy is not synonymous with loyalty, though it has a relationship to loyalty. Hypergamy is simply about the prioriti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:31 PM
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She is more rational and loyal than 99% of the guys here. Nawalt. I don't find her particularly rational and her loyalty is unknown to posters here, but she has said that she expects her future husband to keep up with her in his own professional career, so her loyalty appears to be dependent on the continued equivalent or higher socioeconomic advancement of her partner. That's hypergamy. Creating your own definition of NAWALT does not change what NAWALT actually means according to the RP. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:03 PM
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I don't see hypergamy or solipsism as a predominantly female trait. It's hypergamy and female solipsism. Whether you see them as predominantly female traits is immaterial and is not the issue anyway. They are part of the definition of AWALT, the purpose of which is to identify traits commonly found in women, whether they are also commonly found in men or not. Incidentally, the RP does also happen to believe that they are traits unique to women en masse, though not without much rarer, occasional,…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 09:49 PM
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He is not an alpha looking guy, I have seen his picture multiple times. Chemist is a NAWALT. She is not a NAWALT. She has displayed both hypergamy and female solipsism in abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 07:04 PM
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I think all men would benefit from being free also. I believe marriage is a less natural fit for men than it is for women, because it goes against men’s optimal mating strategy, their natural proclivities and ties them into a gynocentric agenda. Care to expand on this? I think that married life suits a lot of men just fine. Men get married due to their indoctrination, accumulative social pressure and out of a sense of obligation to the woman. It’s not a personal reward that they carry out for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 10:04 AM
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If you are against marriage, why? I’m against marriage for myself because I value freedom. Are your reasons only for you, or do you think they apply to all men? I think all men would benefit from being free also. I believe marriage is a less natural fit for men than it is for women, because it goes against men’s optimal mating strategy, their natural proclivities and ties them into a gynocentric agenda. However, for men to realize this and see the far greater benefits of being unmarried, they ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 01:07 AM
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are there any women who don't drop their entire lives when they get into a relationship like it's cool that you like hanging out so much but i have friends to hang with too ....and no we don't want you to tag along He said that she was hanging around him too much, not that she wasn't hanging around him enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/18 08:23 PM
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You make some valid points. The only issue I have is that while it is true to point out the whys on a personal level, this really only needs to be done when asked and/or as a response to a news paper article or whatever. In the past, on the sub at least, too many posts just came across as angry guys who want to 'let everyone know why' when really, no one was asking and most of the stuff they said has been written a thousand times already on that sub and other forums. MGTOW discussing women and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/18 03:38 AM
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[Discussion] what are your opinions about MGTOW? I support MGTOW. I think that it is a justified response to the excesses of gynocentricism. Women obviously don't like it because it is critical of them and rejects the idea that women are needed by men to live happy and fulfilling lives. Men who do not approve are usually either BP, Tradcons, racial nationalists or men who feel attacked for wanting to pursue women. Someone looking at MGTOW in good faith, however, would understand that it is diver…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:07 AM
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How specifically does society not hold women accountable while holding men accountable? There is an extreme dichotomy in the agency and robustness which society attributes to men and women that far exceeds the reality. Men are seen as some sort of omniscient and omnipotent malevolent class who can justifiably and solely be blamed for the world’s problems, whilst being impervious to mistreatment or unfairness. Whereas women are seen as unknowing and less blameworthy when responsible or complicit …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:42 PM
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Then why do all the mgtow on reddit cry and hate on women? MGTOW are critical of women because of the abuses of gynocentricism and the need to redress the imbalance of societies that unjustifiably pander to women and don't hold them accountable. MGTOWs are not MRAs, but they are still part of society and are adversely affected by gynocentricism, so are perfectly justified in voicing their opinion, expressing criticism and educating others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:33 AM
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both need to do it quietly and without judgement of the other side Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/18 09:06 AM
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To argue NAWALT is to argue a woman's self-enslavement to men and giving up rational self-interest. A form of feminine cross-gender altruism. This is the crux of the matter. It's about competing mating strategies between men and women. A NAWALT would have to abandon her own self-interests and love a man altruistically. This never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/18 10:24 AM
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Who said there are literally no bad mothers out there? I don't know. Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/18 09:55 PM
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Which is unconditional and unfaltering, like a mother's. I don’t think a mother’s love is the highest conception of love. I don’t even think it is necessarily unconditional or unfaltering. Certainly, that may be a popular image, but that’s partially a consequence of the women are wonderful effect. In reality, there are a lot of very unpleasant and bad mothers out there. I think our highest conception of love is more spiritual, something that arises out of religious beliefs, like Buddhism and Chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 11:02 AM
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Both men and women want romantic partners who they find attractive. I don’t see the controversy. The controversy is that you guys are trying to act like your attraction is so much more Noble than women's when it's just as fickle and not reliant at all on who the woman is as a person. As RPers often say, men’s and women’s attraction works differently. However, on the matter of physical attraction, both men and women want to be romantically involved with people whom they find physically attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 10:35 AM
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It's actually because they want a mother gf. It need not necessarily be linked to motherhood. They want the ideal conception of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 01:42 AM
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No, most men actually prefer natural women. Naturally attractive women, sure. But they will take an artificially attractive woman over an unattractive woman any day. Both men and women want romantic partners who they find attractive. I don’t see the controversy. At least women have more options to enhance their looks. People fluctuate in size. That’s part of what being human is. Divergence in this area is not necessarily going to foundationally or permanently change the essential physical charac…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 01:27 AM
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Men are not asking women to wear makeup, have plastic surgery or get implants. No, they're just going after the attractive women, leaving other women to do whatever they need to do to get a man. No, most men actually prefer natural women. Most women also don’t have plastic surgery or get implants. Makeup is available to everybody and is only temporary. At some stage, your man is going to know what you look like without makeup and will generally be aware that he doesn’t know what a person looks l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 12:57 AM
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how someone or something looks is an inherent part of what it is. Really? So how does makeup, plastic surgery, and breast implants fit into this? I can guarantee you I would have way more men if I did this, and yet that isn't inherently who I am. Men are not asking women to wear makeup, have plastic surgery or get implants. Women do these things to try and heighten their own attractiveness for their own purposes. Now they are getting bum implants and having their vaginas rejuvenated. These fads …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 11:41 PM
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Actually no, men did not create civilizations or money or democracy to be able to have sex with women. Men created civilizations to spread power and control over territories. And this desire for power and control comes more from religious roots and agriculture development than the desire to stick a penis up a vagina. The reality is that men are not and have never been omniscient or omnipotent. Throughout history, 99.9999999....% of men didn't really have much knowledge or power to determine anyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 11:04 PM
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Being attracted to money and status is not love at all. Being attracted to beauty is not love at all either, yet TRP men like to make themselves the nobler of the sex for some reason. The topic is women’s attraction to money and status, not attraction to beauty. In any case, how someone or something looks is an inherent part of what it is. Consequently, prospective partners generally like it if you consider them beautiful and are partially attracted to them on that basis. Moreover, both men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 10:33 PM
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[Q4M] Do you wish women weren’t so obsessed with money and status? In most men's fantasy ideal world, they would like women's love to be altruistic, simply because that is the purest and most uplifting form of love we can conceive. Being attracted to money and status is not love at all. However, in reality, I don't know if I have a preference about female motivation. I just have a preference to know the truth, which enables me to make more informed decisions. I'm interested in reality, not fanta…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 07:17 PM
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Q4RP: Are your sisters, mothers, aunts and grandmothers AWALTs? Yes, of course. AWALT simply represents female nature, not every critcism a RPer might have about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 06:43 PM
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Obviously, while your sexual needs are being met by someone that you dig, you are going to be less inclined to stray. However, should you become sexually dissatisfied, the risk of straying increases. Dissatisfaction could occur if your woman had sex with you less often than you would like or the sex became boring to you. A woman being unadventurous in bed can make the sex boring, but so can something like the Coolidge Effect, which is the result of familiarity. Of course, desiring other women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/18 09:38 AM
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MGTOW is an option if you prefer to be free and single. If you want to be in a somewhat satisfactory relationship with this girl or anyone else, however, you are going to have to start asserting yourself and setting boundaries. You are going to have to let her know what you find intolerable, what you expect and what you want, then it will be up to her whether she chooses to stay or leave. Don't apologise for who you are and what you want. Most women have so much junk in their heads about relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 09:23 PM
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I was struck by this dude who loves his girlfriend despite the fact that they cannot even have sex because she was born without a vagina. But she still has an arsehole, hands and a mouth. In any case, the inflection in the guy's voice is very similar to that commonly found amongst gay men. If I'm mistaken and he is not gay, he could just have low T levels, which would make him more effeminate, which is the impression I get from his voice, demeanour and body language. That means he will have a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/18 08:40 PM
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It is not possible for a man to feel validated without sex, as we need to feel desired & worthy. So sex is very important, but perhaps it's what sex represents that matters more than the sex itself. What sex represents is important to many men as well. It’s not an either/or situation. It’s all important. Nevertheless, it all starts and ends with sex, hence its primacy for men. With that said, the pleasure derived by men from the physical acts of sexual intimacy still trump whatever one believes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 09:08 PM
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying, I just think there is something else - I'm not sure what exactly - that is valued above sex. Maybe the validation of someone that knows you intimately. When I say sex, I mean sexual intimacy and all of the acts or hormonal responses that might accompany it, not just the mechanical event of penetration. Validation is secondary to the actual experience of sexual intimacy, although in some aspect they are linked, since a woman freely providing sexual intim…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 06:59 PM
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I certainly understand the opinion that men primarily want women for sex, it's obviously an important factor. But I'd have to disagree with it being the most important. Prostitutes are cheaper than wives. And offer all the things you think men value most. But most men would prefer a wife (ignoring the current legal environment). Primarily wanting women for sex is the same as it being the most important factor, at least as far as a man’s personal happiness and wellbeing are concerned. If the sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 05:36 PM
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What do you mean by all men lie to women about who they really are? It’s complicated because men often don’t know who or what they are, given how much society indoctrinates them. However, if you were to try and pin down the basis of a man’s attraction to a given woman or women, most men would admit that it is primarily sexual, if they were being honest and were aware of reality. Sexual intimacy is the main draw. Moreover, most men do not connect sex to love. When I say that men lie about who the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/18 03:23 PM
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hence, once again, BP does not apply to Kaczynski i don't even fucking care that much i can't believe i've gotten sucked into this twice Then he can't be an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 10:54 PM
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yes RP is filled with wildly sexually successful men who do not need to visit an Internet forum to even have a chance to get laid All manner of men are RP, from the successful Chad to the unsuccessful nerd. All the RP represents is a rejection of mainstream BP narratives about gender dynamics. It's about having a better understanding of reality (hence the Matrix metaphor), without the obscurantism and fantasy of political correctness or wishful thinking. The RP is simply a point of view and a de…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 10:10 PM
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how have both of you just totally fuckin missed the point this is daftness at peak form I haven't missed the point. I was just picking you up on conflating incels with MGTOW or anything to do with the RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 09:01 PM
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Using AMALT as a heuristic: All men are polygamous or desire variety in women All men are averse to commitment All men see sex as the number one priority in relationships All men are sexually attracted to attractive young women, regardless of their own age or relationship status All men objectify women and their body parts All men dislike pronounced emotional intimacy All men lie to women about who they really are This is not exhaustive, but it covers the main aspects of men when it comes to sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 08:48 AM
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How do men reconcile hating sluts but wanting lots of sex?? Men don't hate sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 07:34 AM
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this is still not far from Ted Kaczynski, which is the actual point of the whole damn argument occurring here Well, if Kaczynski was an incel, he would be BP, not RP. MGTOW is RP and they are not incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/18 07:05 AM
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there are a fair number of incels and sexually unsuccessful males at RP. Incels are more BP than RP. Perhaps a shade of purple. Part of them still buys into the whole BP romantic narrative and wants that for themselves, but they lack confidence and belief in their capacity to attract women. They also put women on a pedestal. RPers reject popular BP romantic narratives and therefore do not covet what they do not believe exists. They're more accepting of RP realities, and either engage with women …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 10:55 PM
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You realize that until just recently, men needed women to provide children so that the man could be successful, right? Men needed sons to help them with the physically difficult jobs including hunting, fishing, farming. Men also needed women to provide their work and skills in addition to giving birth to offspring. Until just recently, life without a strong family for either men or women would be difficult or impossible. We're talking about the history of monogamy, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 11:17 AM
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Men did not push for monogamy during the time of Roman imperialism. Of course they did. Here you go. The fact remains that if we lived in a truly polygamous society, the people suffering would be the 70-80% non-Chad men that would struggle immensely to find a woman. Whether or not monogamy doesn’t “fill men with glee” is irrelevant, as men would at least rather have one woman, than have none at all and suffer a life of involuntary celibacy. Thanks to Nature’s hand on the male sexual drive and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 11:12 AM
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It was actually men that pushed for monogamy during the time of the Roman imperialism. Monogamy is more for men than it is for women. If each man tried to keep say, 3-4 women for himself, there would be at least 75-80% of men that won't have a woman. And that's why the masses of men pushed for it - they were upset that all the rich and powerful were hoarding and keeping the women all to themselves. Lol every man likes to think that if our society was a polygamous free for all, they would be the …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:56 PM
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That's sexist. What about men who don't want careers? What's sexist about what I said? The same applies to men. Men who want careers should pursue them and those who don't shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 11:32 AM
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It's a shitty idea regardless to hitch your life to someone else. Why do that and pray you've got a "good man" when you can be a good woman yourself? People should ultimately do what they want with their own lives. Women who want careers should pursue them and women who don't shouldn't. There are many women in both camps and there is nothing wrong with either. Men's or other women's preferences shouldn't determine what each individual woman decides for herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:34 AM
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Q4men. What are your thoughts on men who cheat on their pregnant partners? Obviously, it’s not a nice thing for the pregnant woman and I would not advocate that men do this, but I understand why they do it. It is a case of nature winning over promises. Men naturally have an inclination and capacity to impregnate many women, as per their optimal mating strategy. Our societies, however, discourage this behaviour and are setup in a way that tries to get men to commit to one partner. Subsequently, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:00 AM
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I'll assume you're talking prostitution and sex work, not marriage and romantic relationships, even though men usually have to pay much more for the latter two. Paying for sex is neither pathetic nor badass. One doesn't usually ask this question when talking about paying for any other service and nor should one here. Every type of man has paid for sex; chad and incel, rich and poor, famous and unknown, religious and non-religious. No type of man exists who has not paid for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 07:05 AM
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Wow how original 🙄 A truth long understood may not be original, but it's still the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:50 AM
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This is a fairly common experience. Below, Tom Leykis discusses a 60 Minutes special that examined the same phenomenon. Tom Leykis: Reasons Career Women Can't Find Men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:42 AM
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(As an aside, if this article was written by an actual woman I will eat my own hands.) That's what Karen Straughan said women and feminists used to say about her when she used to post comments on the internet anonymously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 06:29 AM
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This is well said. Mainstream think MGTOW is what Incel is. But it's not. It is this. I don't think this is a completely unassailable position, but this is the mindset that needs to be argued against. Not dismissing the strawman with 'you just can't get laid lol'. Yes, unfortunately mainstream thought and discourse does not do nuance or sagacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:41 AM
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I don't want to go in circles, but this is exactly what he was implying. In the video* he was saying that satisfying sexual urges was akin to taking a dump. Yes, only much more pleasurable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:19 PM
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When that illusion is revealed to be false and the unexceptional nature of women’s modus operandi is laid bare, many men have no interest in keeping a permanent woman or even pursuing them, since they do not value the basis on which women’s romantic attraction really works and get no fulfilment or validation from it. I think Stardusk/Thinking-Ape called this "Intellectually Induced Asexuality," and I agree with his conclusion. "Trying" is a waste of time & energy when you hate the player and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:49 PM
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There is nothing to be afraid of attracting women. This is what some bb men hate. They think women are special snowflakes and respond only to nice gifts and nice talks and respect. And those who don't are whores. This is not what women want simply. And they vote with their pussies. I take "observing women's actions" any day instead of "imagining the life how it should be in my head" Although you no doubt get all sorts who become MGTOW. I don’t believe your characterisation reflects what MGTOW is…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:28 PM
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I know that men have always been appreciative of the arts and literature, but in 1950s America, it was seen as “faggy”. The male gender role at the time was unsustainable. You are actually enforcing my point, that feminism wasn’t trying to change men into something new and unnatural, but to encourage society to have space for men expressing interest in things they’ve always been interested in. Almost every conceivable interest has been viewed as either innately masculine or feminine at different…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 01:06 AM
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so the 30+ year old opinion piece really is your only evidence of this cabal. No, it's just one article. I could provide much more if I were bothered, but it's fairly well understood and documented that feminism sought and seeks change in men. This is not controversial to anyone who understands anything about feminism. The author acknowledges this mind-set as an aspect of feminism and most feminist activists would acknowledge it today if you asked them. It's not necessarily an evil thing. They w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 12:28 AM
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You realize her generation was like, the 60s, right? And that the change those women sought was for men to unbend even a little bit from the stoic, unemotional, unfashionable hypermasculine stereotype of the early 20th century. Gender roles for men were so uptight and ridiculous that your community would apparently think you were a closeted gay man for wanting to wear clothes other than burlap sacks and maybe buying a piece of art for your place. Nearly all of the self improvement activities tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 12:12 AM
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...to be clear, do you equate masculinity with fucking passed out drunk girls and living in a dirty house? I'm as far from a feminist as you get and none of those seem unmasculine to me. my mom made me do housework growing up, it was never taught as women's work and my mom is a traditional Mexican broad. I'm confused what any of that has to do with feminizing men as opposed to correcting issues that were once normal for women to deal with Maybe these passages from the article I linked to will he…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:54 PM
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I think you’re putting too much weight on this idea that women are reshaping men into something new. On the contrary, the article mentions that men who like “feminine” things have always existed, only in the past they were shamed for such behavior. Which means it isn’t feminine at all, it’s all natural human stuff that we all have the potential to incorporate. This also isn’t a literal blueprint, it’s a thought experiment. The author speaks of wanting to design her ideal man. That doesn’t mean s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:47 PM
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Lol, did you read the article you linked? The “new man” (circa 1984 when that article was published) describes a guy who might still be single by 30, dresses fashionably, goes to the gym and has a few hobbies. The article says that in the 50s, such a man would be shunned by society as a “possible homosexual”, for daring to partake in “feminine” hobbies like caring about how your clothes and body look and not having a full-blown wife/house/kids situation underway by 30. This sinister feminist pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:11 PM
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Right. I think it's not that difficult to find someone compatible enough and then to put in the work to make a successful relationship with that person, if they are willing to do the same. I think it is pretty difficult for people to do this to their satisfaction or at all. A lot of artificial props are needed to hold most relationships together for any length of time, the legal institution of marriage being one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 10:55 PM
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you're entirely missing my point and arguing yourself in circles. nobody's arguing that feminists havent gained power. nobody. what I'm arguing against is the specific dyke-driven "let's intentionally feminize men" splinter group. anyone can call themselves a feminist, that doesn't mean what they say reflects what the movement at large is accomplishing. wackos attach themselves to ideologies all the time. I'm using the KKK to illustrate your logic flaw. ideologically they have a lot in common wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 10:50 PM
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I don't think compatibility is as big of a deal as people make it out to be, or as difficult to find. Well, it's pretty much impossible to find absolute compatibility and is made all the more difficult because men and women are different. That's part of the reason why people talk about relationships requiring a lot of compromise and being hard work, even what are considered good relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 10:23 PM
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the same argument could be made about the conservative movement. libertarians might as well be the KKK because they're all connected and agree on certain concepts. or the manosphere. incels and redpillers agree on certain concepts so they must all be the same. of course not, that would also be bullshit. Feminism has far greater reach than the KKK or the manosphere and many of its ideas are more or less accepted as fact and absorbed insidiously by mainstream society. It is especially influential …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 10:06 PM
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fmeinism has been influential, just not the particular fringes you're talking about. It's all connected. The branches of feminism influence each other. For instance, they all concur on concepts like "toxic masculinity", "patriarchal oppression" and "rape culture". These ideas have had a huge impact on men and the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 08:01 PM
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I'm sure some feminists have tried to, I don't think they've been very influential even within their own group. there are many, many things about daily life in 2018 that are different from daily life in 1960 that have changed people's behavior. technology in all it's various forms has had a huge influence. a bunch of dykes scheming to "change male behavior?" not so much. male behavior was always going to change as guys went from manual jobs to desk jobs. ever worked landscaping? those are some r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:49 PM
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As far as gender dynamics go, men may feel frustrated for a variety of reasons, but the main undercurrent is the fact that men and women have opposing optimal mating strategies and therefore have proclivities which are not compatible. Men's environment and circumstances can either exacerbate or mitigate these incompatibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:38 PM
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sounds like weak, coddled men making excuses to me. So, am I to understand that you believe feminism has not sought to influence or change male behaviour and that its extensive examination of male behaviour, as well as the ubiquitous promulgation of its conclusions and solutions, has had zero impact on men? Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:22 PM
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that's your rebuff? a 34-year-old-opinion piece from a notoriously feminist-sympathizing publication? I'll stand by my statement. That's just a supporting document, not the sole piece of evidence. The entire feminist movement, accompanying literature and its well documented impact on society and men is the evidence. To deny it is to be delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:06 PM
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redpillers and their revisionist history... feminism was pretty broadly opposed for a long time. suffragettes were written off as jokes. unmasculine men have always existed. if there seem to be more now blame office jobs and technology for making them visible. You are your revisionist history. Feminism made no secret about the fact that it wanted to change men and redefine masculinity. Creating the blueprint for the New Man was one of its big projects and has had a huge influence on men. A FEMIN…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:47 PM
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It's also very possible (and honestly just easier) to find a man who's into whatever you are. Why bother trying to please everyone when all you need is one good man? That's easier said than done. Compatibility is probably the biggest challenge in relationships between men and women, and is not easy to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:33 PM
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As a sex symbol, he is hideous. As a regular Joe, he's a bit below average. Specifically, it is his feminine face that is hideous. A supposed male sex symbol who looks as feminine as he does......is viscerally revolting, because there is nothing remotely sexy there, yet we are being told there is. Get what I'm saying? We both know I'm right. There's no use pretending.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:23 PM
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He is a cultural icon. A sex symbol. He cultivates this image. So the criteria are different. The bar is higher. He does not reach the bar. So he is judged accordingly. Not sure that has anything to do with 'gynocentric proclivities'. If an ugly woman presented herself in the same manner, a similar word would get thrown around. You're making this about feminism and it's not. Even if he is a cultural icon and sex symbol, hideous would be a strange choice of words to describe someone who you felt …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 06:14 PM
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I find him hideous because he is feminine looking. I found george clooney attractive even though he had a rotating cadre of girlfriends. Put your projector away. I'm not saying that you would necessarily find him attractive, but you would not use the word hideous if he behaved in a manner that was more sympathetic to gynocentric proclivities. At worst, you would say something along the lines of him being ordinary looking or slightly above average, but not hideous. It's not projection. It's disce…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:59 PM
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Maybe. But a lot of women find him hideous. You only find him hideous because he portrays the opposite of a dotting husband and father or man involved in an affectionate and committed relationship with an ordinary looking woman. If he didn't have a revolving door of different, attractive, women hopping in his bed and pandered more to gynocentric proclivities, you would probably think he was wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:35 PM
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I don't know much about him, but his dating options are essentially most men's dream, as far as dating options go. Most men would indulge in his position, particularly if they were unencumbered mentally, were impervious to public reaction or didn't have to deal with it. His attraction to young women and apparent disinterest in establishing a permanent emotional relationship is natural for most men. A man in his position actually gets to practice what his true self desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:04 PM
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Why do people care so much about morals. Because we have the capacity to impact other people (sometimes negatively) with our actions. Does it not matter to you at all if another person suffers because of something you've done? I think a large part of the suffering is caused by people's unrealistic expectations. It's the disillusionment that causes much of the suffering. People are almost set-up to fail, men and women, given the fantastical images they have in their heads about the nature of roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 11:34 AM
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I think whether it's okay or not depends on the woman. Does the woman deserve better treatment or is she a self-centred, selfish and mercenary individual, greedily pursuing her own self-interests? If she lies and has hidden intentions, then it's a fair situation if the man does the same. If she is an exemplary person, then I would say not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 05:27 AM
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It would be redundant, since children are young by definition no, 'children' denotes relationship, you can be a 30 yo child of your parents Children can denote a relationship, but that is not the only function of the word. It can also be used to refer to particularly young children when accompanied with the "young" precursor. are unhappier than women 70 or so years ago, for which I believe there is some supporting evidence. if you're able to point out correlations in this gallup study, then imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:32 PM
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It specifies the age in the next paragraph Stay-at-home moms" are defined as women who are not currently employed and have a child younger than 18 at home That’s their definition of SAHMs. Their reference to young children in the previous sentence you quoted appears to be referring to particularly young children, otherwise why use the expression young. It would be redundant, since children are young by definition. Also, "young children", is a common expression when referring to particularly youn…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:01 PM
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no, those sentences Non-employed women with young children at home are more likely than women with young children at home who are employed for pay to report experiencing sadness and anger a lot of the day "yesterday." Stay-at-home moms also lag behind employed moms in terms of their daily positive emotions: They are less likely to say they smiled or laughed a lot, learned something interesting, and experienced enjoyment and happiness "yesterday." point to the question being phrased not as you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 11:41 AM
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An issue with this poll is that it appears to have asked who has suffered from depression at one time in their life, rather than who is currently suffering from depression. Some of the SAHMs may have suffered from depression before they were SAHMs. In some cases, their circumstances prior to becoming SAHMs may have been a factor in their depression; perhaps being unloved, poorer, childless, single, unmarried or having to work, contributed to their depression and strengthened their resolve to rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 10:16 AM
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the point of this discussion was to show that SAHMs are not happier as redpill likes to repeat. I admit that having a study showing they are actually less happy than average does not prove causation, but it proves staying at home is not raising happiness. It doesn't prove that. It claims that SAHMs, on aggregate, are less happy. The claim may be as bogus as the studies that suggest marriage makes men happier. Money can't buy happiness it can up to a point of meeting your needs, after that point …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:36 PM
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women's career successes are celebrated in the same way male are. Why should they not be? To make those who didn't succeed or even try feel better? Do you have a problem with men being put on pedestal for success? Didn't your parents point out examples they'd like for you to follow? Who were those examples? Men with many kids? No. It's not a gender thing, professional success is simply hard and it gives you a good life, hence society admires that. Cheering people for having kids is a fake constr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 12:13 PM
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large doesn't mean accurate. Which political poll would you rather believe: a poll done on 1000 people by dialing random numbers, or a poll done on 50.000 people leaving the Church on a Sunday? I see what you mean tho, that they are the people who make up the depressed group. I doubt though that people who feel their choice is superior would feel depressed about it tho(maybe angry). But there may be a thousand of other correlations here, first of all money. Less money=sad. Second, they might hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 09:52 AM
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Netmums. Do you know what a skewed sample is? It's like polling redpill on whether women suck. I can tell you the results now What’s wrong with Netmums? It’s the largest women’s website in Britain and, more pertinently, the demographic you say are more depressed and angry will be well represented there. More generally, we also know that less than 10-20% of women self-identify as feminists, so Netmums is probably more representative of women generally than a feminist publication would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 08:00 AM
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If true, we don't know the reason for this. Slightly greater depression or anger amongst SAHMs could easily be caused by the negativity directed at them by the feminist lobby, rather than by the actual position that they are in. Many women believe that respect for motherhood has been undermined by feminism, with a survey on Britain’s largest women’s website revealing that 69% believe the biggest battle for modern women is to reinstate the value of motherhood. Traditional respect of motherhood ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:42 AM
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Entitlement and arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 07:21 AM
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Why do guys hate commitment? On a conscious level, many men are averse to commitment in a relationship because it restricts their freedom. Whereas committed relationships can often expand a woman’s freedom and options, they tend not to do that for men. They tend to just increase men’s responsibilities. On a subconscious level, commitment in a relationship is inconsistent with men’s optimal mating strategy, given that men can impregnate multiple women in a short space of time. In short, men are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 04:33 AM
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lol Thank you. I'm here all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 07:51 PM
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yeah You're damn right yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 04:47 PM
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autism it is then A man having preferences that prioritise freedom over restriction, androcentric proclivities over gynocentric ones or which discard dominant BP templates and brainwashing, is not autism. It's the opposite. It's called being astute.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/18 09:31 AM
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