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0	The logic of x issue affecting men is actually caused by misogyny I think this is more complicated but I'll play devils advocate, I guess I may be downvoted. My understanding is that virile or celebrated masculinity is tied up with performing heterosexuality. Therefore, as a form of compensation, the gay male body feels a gendered need to prove its masculinity and thus is often muscular and (over)developed, a strived for aesthetic (for some) in the community. If the above is true, though the 'hatred of the feminine' is not the sole cause, it is a product of so…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	08/04/21 11:13 AM
1	I saw this article in men’s lib and wanted to know your thoughts on it. Really? Wow. What's it called?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	04/04/21 06:49 PM
1	I saw this article in men’s lib and wanted to know your thoughts on it. I was commenting in /r/menslib a few years ago and periodically since but I went there less after the shift into pure American identity politics and the primacy of lived experience as the audience grew. Mods there have always been trigger happy as they took a heavy-handed approach to curating the editorial angle of the sub. It is one way to do it but you alienate a lot of people along the way, a price I'm sure they're willing to pay. It is still an informative and important subreddit for men's i…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	04/04/21 05:34 PM
9	I saw this article in men’s lib and wanted to know your thoughts on it. This is the type of psychologist we do not want treating men's mental health issues. Can you imagine going to this guy for a counselling session as a self-loathing depressed man feeling downtrodden over the culture's deteriorating attitude toward men, masculinity and male sexuality. Instead of validating and legitimising the person's feelings you can just imagine him going on a spiel about accountability and that they should feel, uncomfortable because it will all be ok in the end, the paint 'wi…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	04/04/21 03:46 PM
61	If the 2020 BLM protests achieved anything, it's being undone by the response to the Everard murder This is just another example of regulating male behaviour and how men take up public space. It is a particular fetish in the culture at the moment. Manspreading and this type of thing. I will wear a hoodie up if I want to and take up space in the way that I want to thank you.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/03/21 05:56 PM
7	Showerthought: Masculine traits are only considered positive when expressed by females. Run in pro feminist circles or even in wider society and mention that you think that men should or should at least be allowed to be strong, competent and powerful. When coded female these attributes are progressive and necessary. When coded male you are part of the problem. There is also tension over the word dangerous. Women are regularly praised for self describing as dangerous especially on Twitter. If men did the same that is literally a confession of possible guilt.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/03/21 11:01 AM
8	Response to my complaint about a BBC debate, "Why are men such a danger to woman"? More about the contradiction. If 'normalisation' as she says creates an atmosphere of acceptability then it must be true for both or false for both. Unless of course there is convincing evidence that only one of those is true.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/03/21 09:36 PM
2	I don’t want to feel like a monster anymore. The old paradox I've read is this: 'the more gender equality, women and society generally are more able to discuss inequality'. More women in decision making positions etc. This is why as race and gender problems become smaller they actually become more magnified and more talked about. Douglas Murray is more cynical and writes/talks about St George in Retirement. You can type into YouTube. And good on you. Wealth inequality is a deepening problem, and it is interesting that the socioeconomic foc…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/03/21 08:50 PM
37	Response to my complaint about a BBC debate, "Why are men such a danger to woman"? The hosts growing exasperation was annoying and suffocated the room. As if he alone had access to the truth and all the men texting in and calling were simply wrong with their meritless comments. With a title of 'Why are men such a danger to women?' there is a clear treatment of men as a unified category. His framing and acknowledgement of #NotAllMen should be more readily and appropriately rephrased as a #ASmallNumberofMen. The succession of women talking about their experiences with male viole…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/03/21 06:52 PM
8	I don’t want to feel like a monster anymore. I started feeling this in university about 8-10 years ago when I was internalising this type of rhetoric from studying a humanities subject in a left-wing faculty before it exploded into the mainstream. I was also then, unsurprisingly, quite left wing but over the years I've drifted rightward to centre/centre-right. I was finding that constantly talking about and running in circles that constantly talked about gender/race/class was affecting my mental health negatively. It got to the point that …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	12/03/21 03:47 PM
0	How Hegemonic Masculinity Gets Gender History Wrong - Woke Father It depends on where you are looking friend. If it's on Reddit then sure I can imagine it being applied unevenly. If you are looking at the body of academic work about masculinities you might see some more nuanced takes.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/02/21 11:30 PM
2	How Hegemonic Masculinity Gets Gender History Wrong - Woke Father That may be. I guess I'm approaching it from Connell's original text where that isn't a dogmatic belief. And a gender studies person is probably also in that 0.01%. The response isn't to completely do away with the original theoretical concept but rather to take issue with how it's applied. That is a different line of argument to the original article.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/02/21 11:13 PM
-1	How Hegemonic Masculinity Gets Gender History Wrong - Woke Father This speaks to the complexity of masculinities as another commenter has said. With these two examples, that recontextualisation isn't clear at all. For Jewish men at that time, in that place, it was often the case that the woman was actually the breadwinner, for the men studied religious texts all day and did community work. Indeed, it was only when mass immigration to Britain and the USA occured that that role reversed. An exception perhaps, but how about the self made man. Well, it is certainl…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/02/21 08:43 PM
8	How Hegemonic Masculinity Gets Gender History Wrong - Woke Father I think this article fundamentally misunderstands Connell's concept of a hierarchy of masculinities with hegemonic masculinity at the top. It simply refers to the most culturally exalted form of masculinity. Or is, quoting directly, the 'most honoured way of being a man'. That isn't to say that hegemonic forms of masculinity don't reinforce gendered power, they do and it is crucial to the concept, but it's not as simple as saying that hegemonic masculinities are all violent and aggressive. Mascu…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	25/02/21 05:43 PM
3	I don't even know what to do with this one. San Francisco school board doesn't allow white man to join parental advisory group because he doesn't add diversity. Women most affected! Isn't this illegal in America? Surely it falls foul of equal protection legislation? Lawsuit ?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	10/02/21 02:48 PM
1	I've been falsely accused and don't know what to do. Depends where these were stored but if it's in your phone storage you can have these professionally recovered. Photographs and texts.	/r/MensRights	11/12/20 04:11 PM
2	How do you guys enjoy media now that it's been saturated with so much girl power. News media is a little easier as you have more 'liberal' media in the European sense of the word, or classical liberal for Americans, that doesn't overfocus on female empowerment/diversity talk. I'm talking the Atlantic, Politico, Economist, The (British) Times and sometimes I turn to more conservative outlets, Spectator, National Review etc . Popular media is definitely more difficult and you can see the slow change over the years. In the UK, the BBC has noticeably shifted leftwards given the n…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	16/09/20 12:41 PM
2	Melissa Click, the feminist professor threatening to have journalist Tim Tai physically attacked by screaming for "some muscle over here" from nearby men in the recent viral video, wrote an article also attacking the idea of masculinity titled "Masculinity in Crisis" The original article has been taken down but I'm interested to hear more about your critique of hegemonic masculinity. I've read many critiques, but a psychoanalytical - its a metaphor for Connell's life history - is definitely not one of them. I would also suggest that you've fundamentally misunderstood what she meant by the hegemonic-subordinate-complicit hierarchy and it completely skews you're remaining answer. They aren't seeking to 'regain some sense of lost power' as if those who embody s…	/r/MensRights	11/11/15 02:43 AM
–	So you want to be a MALE FEMINIST? And you didn't get his point either, by its very name, radical feminism is a sub-set, its not a monolith. Radical feminists say that men can only be pro-feminist, rather than being a member of the group. However, I don't think its the majority position. Also, I don't think its particularly controversial for women to take the lead in structuring feminist discourse. And its really not a cohesive set, there are key concepts, patriarchy, gender, oppression, privilege. But the positions and shape of …	/r/MensRights	14/08/15 09:56 PM
1	You go, girl! Great argument! You are commiting a classic historian's mistake of judging the past on the standards of the present. Very few at that time in the early twentieth century were advocating for racial equality. You are therefore holding first-wave feminists to higher standards of morality than is reasonable.	/r/MensRights	16/05/14 11:47 PM
1	I think I made a feminist's head implode with a conversation about drunk consent. But the law isn't at fault here. If I take your line, its merely cultural values. Which is why his original post didnt make any sense. He suggesting that it was somehow a double standard, when it isn't, the law confers the same rules for both genders. And I'm sure I'm showing my colours here which I know aren't popular in this subreddit but I hope I can have this discusion. You are perhaps right that women are not accused of rape, but do you not think there is an ideal of masculinity such that m…	/r/MensRights	20/04/14 08:58 PM
2	I think I made a feminist's head implode with a conversation about drunk consent. ? But it just invalidates his post. In all circumstances, according to the law, women can be accused/convicted of the same things. He's framing it as a men's rights issue.	/r/MensRights	20/04/14 06:26 PM
4	I think I made a feminist's head implode with a conversation about drunk consent. I'm confused. If a woman is drunk and has sex with a child, she is a rapist. An underage woman can rape a drunk man. The law doesn't discriminate between gender. If it does can you point me to some literature. If both parties are drunk I'm not actually sure what happens but, legally speaking, advantage isnt conferred by gender. If I'm wrong, can you point me to some literature.	/r/MensRights	20/04/14 05:55 PM
-5	Why female quotas are bad for women, OR how feminists are gaming women to remain in business, AND how modern feminism is hurting women. It was just a hypothetical - I could have added caveats like you did in your first paragraph. My point was between a man and woman of equal ablity or application of that ability as you said chances are the man wins (or wins more often). Your childbirth reasoning also doesn't explain the aforementioned inequality amongst the older generation women in their 40s and 50s past childbearing age. In any case companies should exhibit some semblance of social responsibility - if a female employee wants a…	/r/MensRights	28/10/13 12:24 PM
-4	Why female quotas are bad for women, OR how feminists are gaming women to remain in business, AND how modern feminism is hurting women. As ever when inflexible measures are in place there are undoubtedly going to be instances where underqualified women were promoted. However, I would say that it is a lesser evil when contextualised. In other words, on a background of flagrant and systematic promotion of men over women regardless of equal ability. It is not a definitional problem - more that top down legal measures sometimes do not fit like a glove on many varied work environments with differing talent pools. So even in your own …	/r/MensRights	28/10/13 11:45 AM
-2	Why female quotas are bad for women, OR how feminists are gaming women to remain in business, AND how modern feminism is hurting women. This is one confused stream of consciousness. Quotas were never meant to be the panacea which ended all job inequality - it merely promotes women who are overlooked, not who are underqualified. It does deal partially, but not completely, with socialisation issues. If women see other women succeeding in certain sectors then they are more inclined to pursue them. And I'm not sure how it is possible to conceive of a world where lack of female participation is due to over-participation of men. I mea…	/r/MensRights	28/10/13 11:21 AM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Because not everything producing scientific answers. How do you apply the scientific method to cultural discourse? Not everything in life can be reduced to scientism. Poetry for example. That has meaning, yet it isn't concerned with scientific truth. Art is another. Expressionism, modern art, the list goes on. By your logic, all discourse which doesn't produce visible, scientific, measurable, demonstrable truths is rubbish. Throw Marxist thinking out the window, throw post-colonialism, throw eve…	/r/MensRights	09/05/13 09:37 AM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. [snip mantra about how all those who can see through postmodern BS are necessarily uneducated rednecks, without actually making a point or even trying to support the position] You can't 'see-through' an entire field of discourse and epistemological analyses, especially not in four lines. If 40 years of this BS cannot engender better than this epistemological abortion you've presented, I'd say it's time to close the shutters and sell the store. It's not going to get any better. How does that make…	/r/MensRights	08/05/13 07:35 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Really? I thought it was a very BASIC background of intersectionality. It is basic. I was told so by someone who understands more of it than I do. I think your conception of basic is just different to mine. What a bullshit move. Trying to flex your intellectual muscles to prove how macho you are? How about you make your own argument instead of hiding behing the "complexity of the field", and citing the homework you were given and told to mindlessly ape Not at all, you were citing things, so I ci…	/r/MensRights	06/05/13 05:01 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. It appears you didn't read the sentence after it, not that I am surprised. It was a critique of social sciences as well as women's studies itself, far from being self-congratulatory. Social organisation is irreducibly complex, thats why you need big, long, articles full of long words dealing with it. I think the problem is that you don't understand half of it. Thus, you are pissed off, declare it to be simplistic, cite a comedian in opposition and declare post-modernism to be a pejorative. In fa…	/r/MensRights	03/05/13 02:55 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Plenty of details were in the link. Perhaps you've missed it: it's here. Good introduction on why we can't use the marxist dialectics of oppression for genders. I think I read the relevant part, and she does nothing more that talk about the history of the 'marriage' between the two uses a few pejoratives on top. Can you quote me the relevant piece? I do not have the time to read all of it, so I must have missed it. Does indeed classify as "denial of reality". I obviously haven't read as widely a…	/r/MensRights	02/05/13 07:22 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Since 60 years of feminist social engineering have failed to produce much of a dent in sexual preferences, What has sexual preferences got to do with feminism? Do you mean sexual emancipation? In which case of course it has, although the general social emancipatory movements of the 1960s also had a role too. and since the most gender-segregated economies are the ones where feminist policies have given women the most leeway to follow their preferences, I think the evidence is on my side. It's als…	/r/MensRights	02/05/13 06:29 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. This will be my last post, not because I'm walking away from the argument or don't think that your worth it, because by your last post, you've obviously taken time out of your day. I just have 12k words to write so I can't be on reddit all the time. Frankly, I don't have time to read her entire post. I could also link an article to you but it would be counter-productive. As intersectionality states, you have to take both gender and class together, not one or the other. You can't argue historical…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 03:04 PM
0	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Your equivocating what equal means. They are equal in that we are as able as each other. We are unequal in as far as women have been historically put down and restricted. So in order for women to be equal in the former sense of the word we need to address the inequality in the latter sense. No, the problem with people like you is that paint everything in black and white, simple and not simple. If we accepted the findings, all that it would suggest is that their labour policies were misguided. If…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 01:04 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. I'm not sidestepping anything, sometimes I just leave some of what you say because it is self-evidently absurd and makes you look silly. I just simply don't understand: feminism lifts restraints on women without changing those applying to men, and even adds new ones (paternal responsibility without counterpart or choice, for one). That is the issue, not social expectations of men and women.' This is just a basic misconception of what feminism is. It doesn't postulate that women should have no co…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 12:50 PM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. I use this analogy when explaining feminism to MRA's who say words to the effect of 'I'm not a feminist I'm an equalist' or 'egalitarianist'. Say you have a building. Now, for a disabled person to enter the building they need disabled access whilst the abled person can easily walk through the door. So, in order to be equal, they have to be treated differently. In that line of thought, the reason why you have 'women-only' things, book prizes for example is that without them, women would get overl…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 12:25 PM
2	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Ah ok, I've helpfully been pointed to some papers.	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 08:37 AM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Affirmative action? They haven't even introduced quotas yet! (at least where I live) And why do they have different priorities -- patriarchy... it is social conditioning.	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 08:07 AM
0	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Well we are back to square one. How does this 'restraint' come about? Where men don't report it, or do nothing because they fear that they will look unmanly and henpecked. Where men can only be strong and women weak? Patriarchy. How could it possibly be feminism's fault? Your second part about nebulous concepts. You haven't specified any of them, so it is just an vague assertion to the point of meaning nothing, as I said before. 'What you are talking about is not a socially constructed model' <-…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 07:55 AM
-2	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Yes I do not deny the existence of other people. I just think they tend to be privileged, young white men who have just loved telling people what to do for a few centuries and now that they have some dissent, are feeling 'disadvantaged' and in need of 'liberation'. I haven't seen any men's rights activist theory in any scholarly journals challenging feminist theory or otherwise. They just seem to inhabit youtube or men's rights activist websites or reddit. Maybe it is my ignorance, can you direc…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 07:39 AM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. A fair point. Obviously I cannot speak for men less privileged than myself. I still however can make a judgement call on an evidential basis. For me they are inextricably linked of course. I am intersectional. Of course they are still men. But do these men have problems on account of their gender, or on account of class etc. All of which are affected in a patriarchal model. I just think that, on examining the evidence and the historical power men have held, the idea of 'liberation' seems to me t…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 07:27 AM
-2	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. I don't know, maybe it was because men held/hold all of the economic, cultural, political and social power. The idea that men need liberation is preposterous. I'm male, white and middle-class, I have never had any obstacle in life on account of these traits.	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 12:55 AM
-2	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Well at least you've admitted that there were restraints that have been lifted (although I would argue that haven't been yet). I assume that this was just a poor understanding of something you've read or watched. Your first paragraph doesn't really mean anything. Patriarchy involves many, many things, which by definition advantage men. The first part of the second paragraph is sort of a false dichotomy. Even by your own argument, institutional misandry would help form something socially construc…	/r/MensRights	30/04/13 12:44 AM
1	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. I don't know maybe the entire feminist, sex positive movement?	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 11:27 PM
-3	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Only in that I've recieved about 20 responses and obviously now can't reply to all of them. Maybe they have a point? You've also applied a lot of labels to different types of feminism/ists which I don't think is fair. 'Sandwich' and 'coffee shop' I mean, really? I think, and as a rule for this subreddit, and r/atheism as well, you guys judge feminists by their worst (that red-headed woman at toronto for example). In their current formulation, it is a laughable prospect I agree. This current situ…	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 11:04 PM
-4	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Well I'm only able to post comments every 4 minutes so I don't think I can have a proper debate (subreddit rule?), but I'll try. I'm not sure if I understood how you framed your question. When I said moderate I meant between the extremes of feminism. I'm not sure that DV policy (if that is such a thing) is a government thing, more private charity, but maybe with government funding. Instead of men's rights groups being mutually antagonistic with feminist groups, perhaps it is better that they wor…	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 09:56 PM
-6	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. As this subreddit likes to point out, there are many shades of feminism. There are of course radical feminists who deny male victimhood and probably are looking for a matriarchy. However, there are many more moderate feminists who recognise male-specific issues such as those within domestic violence.	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 09:41 PM
-12	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. Gender roles are reflective of patriarchy. Off the top of my head, carrying the shopping from the car was assigned to me as I was a guy, even though I had two able sisters. In all of the possible reasons you've just cited, they are manifestations of patriarchy. It makes it so that there cannot be, in the eyes of society, female perpetrators etc so their claims aren't taken as seriously. As you said, this isn't feminism, it is ingrained sexism under the title of patriarchy which affects both gend…	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 09:31 PM
-17	Feminist Reaction to the tragic death of Earl Silverman on Salon. And why are they less likely to report? Society has it that men should be strong and women weak, so men would feel emasculated if they reported. This is basic feminist theory. I don't understand why this subreddit can't grasp patriarchy.	/r/MensRights	29/04/13 09:20 PM