And why is it that way? Men can also take care of kids, but we seem to assume it’s more of a woman job. There always will be gender differences, but we can question genre roles. Make it more equitable.
No but maybe men could do more home chores and duty. Because women still do more work at home then men: https://amp.theguardian.com/inequality/2018/feb/17/dirty-secret-why-housework-gender-gap
Well now it’s more a political question but that’s where we disagree. I don’t believe we should penalize women in the workforce for having children. We could give paternity leaves of same duration as maternity leaves for example, reducing the impact of a pregnancy on women’s careers and helping new fathers. Same with other factors of the wage gap. We could have more equality in our society by having more social programs.
I am not. The wage gap is real. Now there’s a bunch of factors that explains it. maternity leave is indeed one of them, but not the only one. The wikipedia article is quite detailed on the various factors of the wage gap: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States And that only brings up the question as to why women are penalized in the workplace for taking maternity leaves.
Not I am not. I keep explaining the wage gap means that in average, working women are paid less than working men. That’s it. And if you look into it, as the article does, it says women are in average working less paying job.
Show me numbers that prove that overall, working men are paid less than working women. Stop comparing specific jobs, that is not what the wage gap or earning gap is about.
They get paid less because they work less paying jobs. Now we can ask why do they pick less paying jobs, or we can ask ourselves why society values less the jobs generally picked by women.
I keep explaining the same thing here: you can’t compare two jobs in particular. You have to calculate over all full-time, year-round working men and women. That’s how the wage gap is calculated. That how we find out the majority of women are paid less than the majority of men. That’s the data in the article. And that’s the basis of the wage gap. We have to agree on this first. Then we can discuss why it is that way.
It’s not about working hours, the wage gap calculation takes that into account. It’a about a majority of women working is less paying job than the majority of men. The question is why the majority of jobs occupied by women paid less? Why does our society values women contributions less?
This thread is about the wage gap, a statistical salary analysis across all full-time, year-round workers. It shows women are paid less. That’s it. Simple. There will always be particular cases of men or women paid less or having worst conditions than the other gender. But the wage gap is a global calculation, overall analysis.
Have you read the comments here? There is a lot of malice and misogyny. Assuming there’s isn’t any malice for the sake of the discussion, all I am saying is that we could, as a society, value more work fields typically occupied by women instead of telling them to pursue other careers.
You might not but others here do. All I am saying is let’s not blame the women for their careers choices. Let’s question society’s valuation of the work fields. That’s it. No blame or hate towards women, no blame or hate towards men, just a collective questioning. And the free market is not the final answer, we can value jobs using other tools. Institutions and laws for example.
I just mentioned we can think of a better society for both men and women and your answer is to rant about women complaining. Not very constructive. I am done here. I tried to be open minded, discuss arguments, dismiss all the misogyny in this thread comments to open a dialogue, but to no avail. I am done with your condescending tone. You feel superior telling me I don’t know maths but you keep ignoring the notion of working fields. You can’t just ignore parts of my arguments then tell me I am a …
I agree, closing the wage gap in the same work field is a great news! Why not close it across work fields of equivalent formation and such that working women and men actually get paid the same? And I agree on paternity leave too. I think women and men should get paid leave of equal duration. Why not pay both women and men to stay home and take care of their baby for the same length of time? It’s not a women vs men fight here. Equality can benefits both.
I mean we both agree that full-time, year-round working women are statistically paid less than men, the reason being mainly the choice of work field. That’s also this thread article’s facts and Wikipedia’s facts. Your stand if I understand correctly is that women just need to pick better paying fields. My stand is that we should question why our society values work fields that way. Individuals are indeed responsible for their choices, but as a society we are too. We can question and discuss why …
Funny you assumed my gender and my situation. And there you said it: women just need to pick a different jobs. So it the women fault if they aren’t paid the same as men. That your point isn’t it? We shouldn’t question why coincidently fields generally picked by a majority of women are paid less?
Alright, but we are taking about today. Not hundred years ago. I agree, things take time to change. The wage gap is real and mostly due to work fields. All I am saying is let’s not blame the women for their careers choices. Let’s question society’s valuation of the work fields. That’s it. No blame or hate towards women, no blame or hate towards men, just a collective questioning.
I stated the same thing multiple times now. Women and men are different and will have different choices or careers. We can argue on the source of those differences, but I maintain that we shouldn’t blame women for their career choices, we should question the fact that traditionally women occupied fields are undervalued compare to male fields.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States First paragraph: The gender pay gap in the United States is the ratio of female-to-male median or average (depending on the source) yearly earnings among full-time, year-round workers. The average woman's unadjusted annual salary has been cited as 81%[2] to 82%[3] of that of the average man's. So the 82% takes into account full-time, year-round workers. The rest of article goes on with the field choice, which is the point I am m…
Compare hourly rate if you want. And the teacher vs engineer is just an example. All I am saying is that the question should be reversed. It’s not about why women take less paying jobs. It’s about why society undervalues jobs mostly occupied by women. Men and women are different and will continue to have different interests. We can’t blame women for selecting underpaid jobs or justifying underpaying them by saying it’s a calling for them.
Forgetting about all the misogyny here for a bit, the question should be reversed. Why does our societies values less traditional females job vs male job? Why are teachers paid less than engineers?
Woa the comment section is so toxic. Let’s take one extreme exception and use it to bash feminism. Ridiculous. Btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States
