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Thank you, that's definitely interesting. I'm somewhat familiar with Finnish history (as a man from the country-what-can't-be named and all the shared history lol) but honestly didn't know about genetic specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:24 PM
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Sorry, but the curiosity overpowered me, so I looked up your comments. Is inbreeding really a problem in Finland? Honestly never knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 08:45 PM
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Does your name ends with -dottir lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:53 PM
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Jesus was cool, but he ended on the cross. That's what concerns me here. it's going to hurt your chances of survival. If you keep going back and forth with someone, things are probably going to keep escalating until some real shit happens I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but I'm really confused about "back and forth" part. Where do you get that? I meant that you treat people well until they mistreat you. Then you'll free to treat them accordingly, because they're clearly hostile towar…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 06:50 PM
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I'm not religious. As for helping anything, it might help your survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 05:51 PM
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Isn’t this a vicious cycle? It is. That’s not a reaction to mistreatment, that’s just bad behavior. It is. And neither you nor I can do anything about it, because that's how internet communication works for the most part. That means all the emotions, not just anger and self-pity That also means when a person feels angry, they don't suddenly stop to feel angry and become compassionate saints just because that's righteous thing to do. As long as they feel angry, they feel angry, that's it. Humans …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:33 PM
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Okay, let's see how it goes. First people experience failure, and as a result they are frustrated with the fact that most people's standards exclude them. So they understandably feel angry/sad and need to vent. When they do that, they're met either with hostility (as in "you filthy incel" or "you're privileged and have it easy"), or with condescending bs (as in "just hit the gym bro", or "there are enough women who'll like you for you"). Obviously they want to stick with more positive advice, tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:38 PM
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Now when majority of others will do like you, "obsession with dating standards" will die out naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:23 PM
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Many people piss in elevators, not like that's a good reason to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:30 AM
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So, even with this assumption, that guy told you that women like tall men with big shlongs and then replied to you claiming the contrary or what? Because I have very hard time believing it. Like yes, overwhelming majority of women prefer that, and being angry about it is like being angry at the weather at this point, let alone being angry while contradicting himself. Maybe you encountered a schizophrenic here, I dunno
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:28 AM
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What do y’all think a relationship is? a woman screeching “ don’t touch me you male!” As she fuck the mailman in front of you Well, in my experience it's when you comfort her for two hours when she's triggered by a random memory of an ex. And when you ask her that maybe it's not the best idea to go partying to the club alone, then you're insecure and controlling. And also when you complain that you feel down and exhausted from the workload, the very next argument she qualify you a weak wimp. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:12 AM
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People are supposed to do many virtuous things, yet they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:49 AM
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A gateway for exploitation and a recipe for disaster. One should treat people exactly how they treat them. Including eye for an eye when needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:48 AM
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Men don’t want I bet you're the type who uses "women are not monolith" argument
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:29 AM
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By the same person? If not, let me introduce you to the concept that on the debate platform not everyone thinks the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:13 AM
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Can't speak for anybody, I'm just annoyed with hypocrisy. At this point I don't care about dating at all, but can we at least have a genuine honest discussion? For most women height is a deal-breaker, for most men lower n-count is preferable, both statements are just facts. We could just acknowledge that women are mostly shallow, and many men have madonna-whore double standards. But no, there's shitty hypocritical excuses all the time. That's why the topics are full of spite and don't ever die.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:07 AM
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why not simplify it? Well, for example, because finding out you're cheated on (and not dumped already just because she doesn't wanna lose your resources) is not exactly pleasant experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 04:07 PM
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Speaking from experience, being friends with a former crush can work only under certain conditions: 1.) You're mature enough to understand that's just yet another likable girl and not "the one", so you're able to move on quickly, 2.) After rejection you take enough time and space apart from her and only then you two reconnect, 3.) She honestly doesn't want anything from you other than occasional nice conversations about common interests. No asking for favours, no emotional vomiting, no "friendly…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 03:38 PM
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I’m not the one getting super upset about women having standards Well, so who's the one getting super upset? Because if you are not and I am not then it must be someone else. because my experience with them has been that they are insecure to the point of being unable to leave it alone, and it becomes a point of discussion in every social setting I mean come on, let's not pretend that shorter men just out of the blue and not because they're literally conditioned by women that it's a big deal. Esp…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 02:12 PM
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Well, I don't think good ol "presrectivist vs descriptivist" discussion is suitable for this sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:45 PM
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Nah, I just despise when some morons try to gaslight young men. After all they could believe that bs and make their lives worse as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:54 PM
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Well, cictionary descriptions of conservatism or libertarianism are also quite nice on paper, but in reality somehow first are religious nutjobs and second are okay with paedofily. So Im not sure that's that much of an argument. Btw I'm glad some of you speak out, but unfortunately it seems like there are not that many of people like you
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:48 PM
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I can't stop finding it absolutely facsinating how any time a woman can't find an argument, she turns it around the most ridiculous way possible. First of all, since you equate being "up" or "down' with such an arbitrary characteristics as height, you _are_ shallow. And you could own it, because in the end humans aren't ideal viceless creatures and that's fine. For instance I don't find large noses physically appealing, you don't find shorter men attractive, we're both shallow. But instead of ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:43 PM
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Well, I was quite active in leftist organizations for past ten years or so, and I've seen (and talked to) enough feminists naturally. Also, given that I'm now making 7 times my first salary, I wouldn't say I have no qualities to survive in a competitive environment. Given all that, I want to sincerely wish you to eat shit and fuck yourself. Those young men are absolutely right and you're a clown.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:43 AM
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99% of men are excluded from power yet somehow that's not a big deal lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:37 AM
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As someone actually sold on communism, those nutjobs have usually no idea (and no fuck) about communist theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:24 AM
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And white liberal fourth wave feminism, which is absolutely predominant nowadays is exactly what it's label says: it's absolutely about accepting capitalist structures, adapting said structures for themselves, and trying to make most benefits out of it. Which kinda implies white liberal women being superior to most males.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:19 AM
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That's not a misunderstanding, that's a shift of meaning. If it was the other way, "real feminists" would fight those who misrepresent them. Even among western leftist there are groups who have balls to be vocally against the "misgendering is worse than capitalist exploitation" crowd. Meanwhile "real feminists" do literally nothing to publicly address the problem with "allegedly fake feminists".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:56 AM
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Western left is absolutely fucked up. I'm not left-leaning, but actually "let's hang the billionaires unironically" leftist, and I still can't fully cones to terms how those morons could trade addressing systemic issues for half-assed identity politics while accepting the status quo in any significant regard
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:19 AM
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I would add that most sane marxist feminists I know nowadays are even reluctant to call themselves so, and prefer to speak about "gender issues" etc. That's how toxic the label has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:00 AM
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If you don't wanna date "down", don't. I personally have no problem with it. Just stop with all that "most women are not shallow" bs, please, it became really annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 08:23 AM
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I guess it depends on how you define "successful". Like I had a few girlfriends, while some men had none. In the same time, to quote my latest ex, she "wanna fuck tall handsome men", but stayed because she "didn't wanna lose his [my] care". So technically, I guess, I qualified as a "short men in relationships", but as for my standards that's not something I would call "success".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:21 PM
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Many women are incapable of feeling love as men understand it, and most others fixate on love too much. The latter are exactly those types who chase after alcoholic abusers because "they could change him" and "he's not that bad" etc. And the former are reasons why men here think that women are "insert whatever here". They aren't malevolent for the most partz they just love men in a similar way a man loves his car. He may take pride in it, he may enjoy the ride, and he definitely needs to take ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:57 PM
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And that ‘something’ does not have to be height, ... , wallet or abs I’m looking for a man with a professional job/income, a similar fit and healthy lifestyle and is at least my height Oh, the irony
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:29 AM
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Dude. Six years ago I made only not so much above average for my city, I wasn't wealthy by no means. Still didn't prevent my ex from exploiting me while sleeping around behind my back, because, quote: "I didn't want to lose all that care". Many women realistically understand that rich men are limited, and many are content with less, and after all money isn't the only thing of "providing". I'd argue that a sense of stability and being cared of is even bigger of a factor. Lots of money just facili…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:23 AM
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Then why women act surprised when they find out men in general are not living embodiment of stoicism?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:58 PM
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I have no idea what rejection has to do with literally advocating for men to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:48 PM
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An example would be "here's John and his wife, they can willingfully attest they're happy together without second thought".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:33 PM
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First of all, how could I forget that horse jockeys aren't negligible minority most people are completely unfamiliar with. Who doesn't know at least a couple of them. Second, "married" doesn't automatically mean "in happy relationships". I had girlfriends, I can speak from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:28 PM
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That women are fairer, more empathetic, less superficial, less aggressive sex who is unable of abuse and needs to be protected at all costs against cruel male world. That's the narrative most men grew up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:25 PM
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I mean there are almost no people who take that "name calling" (which is in fact only a symptom of the whole societal bias) seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:20 PM
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Thanks, I'm speaking from experience lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:18 PM
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I guess it depends on your definition of "below average". I prefer objective measurements in this regard, and I indeed see almost no men under 5'8 in happy relationships, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:14 PM
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Isn't it ironic how this is "confirmation bias", and yet no one claiming how many ugly men in loving relationships they see still can't provide a single bulletproof counterexample.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:02 PM
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Oh, here we go again with "you don't try enough" bs. What is that magical "trying" most men don't do? Socializing? There were times that I went out practically every weekend. Staying in shape? I work out. Having actual personality? I dare to think I have plenty, given my various hobbies and interests. What's next? Becoming stand-up comedian? Learning NLP? Or what do we do wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:59 PM
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And yet we have the whole cultural narrative about women being divine goddesses, which most women are eager to perpetuate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:57 PM
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Cultural bias is a thing, alas
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:54 PM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:54 PM
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You're so reasonable that you don't belong here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:52 PM
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And yet we have groups who oppose racism, sexism against women etc. That's what I mean by normalization: not that some people use it, but that society sees nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:51 PM
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Of course. Most people don't go for unnecessary confrontation in situations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:49 PM
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Human biology is hella complocated. I think it wouldn't be an overstatement to say that we just can't properly separate "purely biological" and socially conditioned behaviours. And since when we look at other great apes we see pretty much the same variety of sexual behavious. So I doubt that some innate preferences on let's say looks are that inflexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:30 PM
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Ironically how not viewing men as people is normalized
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:20 PM
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Having a grudge is probably too much, but less agressive/more avoidant behavious is perfectly understood. If you know that a bear is able to kill you in an instant, you better avoid bears, even if this particular cub just wants to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:09 PM
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> We can redistribute wealth based on a sense of fairness, but you can't redistribute women But we as a society can reshape what is considered attractive and virtuous. If standards for women (both in terms of beauty and acceptable behavious) vary significantly among different cultures and eras, surely in principle they can change for men too. Other than that the answer is to teach boys deprioritize sex. The less they view getting their dicks wet as a seal of social approval, the easier they'll c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:07 PM
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Yeah, like Aristotle insisted, former slaves want to be masters, not abolish slavery
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 01:57 PM
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I'm not that sure about "most" either. If we had statistics it would be clearer, but since we have none my anecdotal evidence says it's not that uncommon. I've known a woman who said that she needs vaginal stimulation only, moreover, in her words her most sensitive spot was quite deep, so she needed like really big penis to climax (that makes it hard for many men by definition). Several others said they could orgasm only from quite lengthy oral sessions etc. Women I've been with weren't that pic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 01:02 PM
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It is possible. But both of them should be unattractive or unavailable to each other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:52 AM
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You're trying to tell blind ppl about colors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:41 AM
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Depends on your definition of "skrewed up"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:33 AM
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Let me welcome you, time traveller from the 60's!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:31 AM
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It's just a buzzword for "I (don't) wanna fuck you for whatever reason". When you can't straightforwardly say that your date is ugly, boring, awkward, off-putting or otherwise incompatible with you, you can always say something about "chemistry" and stuff. Just listen to how women talk among their female peers. When they discuss why they rejected men they always have a particular reason. It may range from dick size to the way he talks about his mom, but "everything was fine, we just don't click"…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:28 AM
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As an observant I've seen both. So definitely other factors should be at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:24 AM
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That's because men with bod and women with npd are getting misdiagnosed due to gender biases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:20 AM
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Not sure. I literally have my photo in my profile and didn't notice if that changed anything. Conversely, after a couple of weeks in this sub, you find out that some users distinctive personality that I doubt their image would change even if they look nothing like you could imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:13 AM
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No breed recs. Adopt the one who you feel instant connection with, no matter how they look. Seriously, the connection is super important, if a cat don't really likes you, it'll make you uncomfortable at best. I've seen "pure-born cats" who were selected just for the sake of breed, and it almost never seemed like both cats and owners were that content. All the cats I had (or my parents had) were rescued, and we never had problem with bonding with them. So go to the shelter and choose with you hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:03 AM
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Truth be spoken
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:56 AM
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it's really not that hard to make most women orgasm Ooooh, it depends to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:55 AM
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Was he wrong though?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:51 AM
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As I suspected, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 04:18 PM
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How does it feel to fight windmills, honourable hidalgo? Filter out extreme blackpillers and see that aside them nobody claims that "normies are doomed". Basically you're average, probably even slightly-better-than average young dude, of course good shape, good style and social aptitude gonna make you more visible than other "normies". Who denied that really? Also you're 19 who had like 2 girlfriends. Ffs, you just can't know shit about long dry spells. I had long dry spells, and I met two girlf…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 04:13 PM
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You're absolutely right, and even celibacy is the right option for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:33 AM
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Yes. And that's the right thing to do. Better die proud than eat someone's rotting leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:32 AM
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I'm not sure what do you mean by activism. Most things you mentioned I saw almost exclusively from keyboard warriors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:30 AM
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I've yet to find any consistent definition of "creepy". Basically practically anything can be creepy or non-creepy heavily depending on the context. So I guess yes, due to halo effect the lucky ones can get away with more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:05 AM
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Agreed, as far as I remember the life before OLD it's true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:00 AM
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I see what you did here but I must admit that's hilarious
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:04 PM
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As I've said, I indeed could miss on that. However, maybe it depends on location to a degree. Like I don't notice that much of an interest in alternative stuff (anime aside) from what I can see where I live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:42 PM
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Fair point, ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:31 PM
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But the truth that most people use in their day to day lives is a social construct Jacques is it you? On a more serious note I don't think "the truth that most people use in their day to day" is what we should aim for. Science is a thing for a reason. But perhaps everyone is entitled to their philosophical perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:16 PM
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Do you realize one observation isn't data?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 08:12 PM
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If the photos were the problem they would do alright IRL. Not like a mugshot is representative of a personality. If they're really physically ok, they're probably just look for cheap attention
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:05 PM
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Guys who do cross looks threshold rarely are single for too long. I can understand there is a minority of socially inept guys, who could indeed better their love lives by gaining some skills. But it's a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:02 PM
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I'm happy to know my math degree is useful outside of my work lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:57 PM
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Most people in power are men The things that are mentioned the most as "women's problems" are rape, domestic violence, pay gap, glass ceilings, and underrepresentation. There are legislative and executive measures taken against all those things (even if insufficient, it's still better than nothing). Now connect the dots.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:55 PM
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People usually don't like when someone tries to feed them obviously incorrect information. What's so surprising about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:40 PM
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you can just be yourself and it comes naturally How is it still an argument? I can't even
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:38 PM
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When I was way younger I tried, yes. Not like I'm proud of it (but not like I wasn't trying to genuinely make a connection either), however, I guess it can give some insight of many young men's experience. Of course I stopped since then (stopped dating at all, in fact).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:14 PM
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Liam stop ffs lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:11 PM
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A minute of probability theory 101. Let's say a guy finds 1/3 of women attractive enough (it's quite close to my experience). In return, only 1/100 of women find him attractive. Let's be generous and say only 3/4 of women are in relationships or otherwise out of the dating scene. The resulting probability of finding a potential mutually attracted woman is at best 1/1200. So even if the guy in question meets a new woman every week on average, it may took him up to 23,5 years to find a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 05:41 PM
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Disagree in some regards. First of all, the attention one can get for being a class clown or whatever, isn't necessarily romantic/sexual in nature. The same goes with social aptitude alone. For example, I never really had that hard of a time making friends, so I guess I can't pass as socially inept even though I definitely haven't got Bill Clinton's charisma. However, romantic context is another beast. You need not any attention and not any social skills, but pretty specific kind of attention an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 05:27 PM
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Because I was supposed to "be grateful she gave me her time". Because I was expected to enjoy any female attention. Because I was told thousands of times how my "manliness" is determined by my dating/sexual success. That's the reality for most men. And it's not about "no value just because someone didn't reciprocate". It's about it's being practically compulsory.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 05:17 PM
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Wait, support and care and empathy are necessary for relationships, no doubt. But we're not speaking about established relationships here. The OP isn't even about dating, it's about getting basic mutual connection, probably before the first date is even at stakes. And if we focus on that stage, I can clearly understand what MyrganGyrgan is talking about. I was on dates where I was expected to entertain a girl who stared at me blankly and wasn't able to hold a basic conversation about anything ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:56 PM
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I guess we can start with allowing people to have different interests, different hobbies, different styles of humor etc. And most importantly to be in different mood. Not like oscillating between smalltalk and playing comedian is the only way of living.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:58 PM
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Oh, I never knew the definition of "as a human" is so narrow
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:51 PM
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Oh, thanks again for reminding me I don't exist and my experience is just hallucinations. If I knew it, I wasn't so concerned about my ex telling me specifically my height was an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:46 PM
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Ah, thank you for reminding, I always forget there are either 6'6 models or homogeneous mass of the rest of men, nothing inbetween, no nuance at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:45 PM
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Yeah, board games, them goddamn well-known chick magnet
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:38 PM
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Yep, you can do it. To become platonic friends with them, based on shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:38 PM
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When the truth doesn't seem useful, it's safer to assume you've got the wrong idea of "usefulness"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:37 PM
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I think it's super important to be able to read the mood, crack jokes, participate in small talk, tease her, flirt confidently, exchange social graces, be witty, demonstrate social aptitude, social intelligence, pick up on implicit cues, body language, show empathy, regulate ones own emotions, show self control, etc Aside from "tease her, flirt confidently" and maybe "body language" you mentioned things that make a decent friend. So it's safe to assume that without surpassing looks threshold tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:10 PM
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Respect. I had my fair share of insults and nagging, I guess it's enough for me. Support would be excellent, but even not belittling is already ok. Empathy. If her idea of "manliness" implies not having emotions, she's free to find someone more reserved. Genuine desire towards me. I'm repulsed by most of bdsm stuff, I don't like blowjobs that much, and anal is optional at best. So I don't expect much more than good old PiV (no problem with going down on her, but we're speaking of my demands now)…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:50 PM
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Basically yes, although I realize my definition of "well" is highly subjective. If for some "well" includes anal orgies, what can we do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:43 PM
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Because if you don't look for extreme cases in particular, it's usually not about having one jock boyfriend in college, it's more often about consistently going for jocks but then suddenly "mature" for s nerd who look nothing like those tens of men who she were into. We can easily find any possible weird exception just because there are 8 billion people in the world. Just statistically there will be men who are insecure about a single past boyfriend etc. Should we really go as far as doubling do…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:41 PM
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To be treated like I like to be treated. I'm not into thst wild stuff anyway. Respect and desire towards me are clearly more important. So it's not about not doing particular things, it's about refusing to do something I personally find important.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:37 PM
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Most of what I was hoping to do was try to bring men up Thank you, I think most of us appreciate it. kids that might come in here and think this is the normal male experience That's understandable, however I doubt there are many young men who had no idea about pills etc. Rejection is an awful beast Imo rejection is ok, at least ss long ss it polite. It might be unpleasant but there are many unpleasant things in life. Abuse, humiliation and insults are what many men are more concerned, I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:45 PM
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I feel you, man. Pretty much the same shit in my case. I hope you're doing well now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:05 PM
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I honestly don't know who exactly are you talking about. I’m referring to the people seeking relationships I’m talking about borderline hating People who hate other people typically don't seek relationships with them, unless there are some mental issues or weird fetishes at play. Case solved. I’m not talking about being cautious around the other sex so that you don’t get taken advantage of That's exactly what majority of "pilled" stuff is about: minimizing risks of being taken advantage of. Rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:00 PM
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I doubt anyone can realistically answer such a question due to quite unnatural conditions. Three boyfriends and nothing more just isn't the sample you can extract any data from, at least without any additional info. Maybe Woman A really doesn't have a type, or maybe she's was just settling for one boyfriend but was madly attracted to two others. Maybe Women B's case is just a coincidence, and maybe it's her type. In reality most women have much more experience and you can see much more context. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 10:54 AM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:45 PM
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You seem like a decent human being who can actually argue with logical statements, I wish you well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:34 PM
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Fair enough, thanks. Especially for admitting it's at least "a mix" and not usual "personality trumps looks" bs
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:30 PM
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Finally the voice of reason. However, admitting that "those who like X" are an overwhelming majority so it's practically raising SMV for everyone, would be even more nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:26 PM
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Come on. Please, come on. There is no camps and there is no extremes. There's just honestly admitting that looks is a cornerstone of attraction (and therefore the most important factor) and there's the cowards. Just goddamn OWN it. I'm a leftist in a right-wing dictatorship and I'm risking getting arrested like every day. If I'm okay with risking it, women can already admit they're into looks the most and risk just a minor backlash. You know what? I almost respect my ex to admitting she wanted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:24 PM
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Fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:44 PM
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I guess you're conflating thongs here. It's like necessary and sufficient conditions in math. In many cases looks may be not sufficient, of course. But it's necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:42 PM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:40 PM
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Then it would be very nice if women and blue-pilled men would stop too feed as with a nonsense about how personality matters the most
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:38 PM
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Why not? I have no problem with describing myself as celibate because it's like the very definition of what my sex life is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:33 PM
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I think that's kind of a selection bias honestly. Like I had girlfriends but was it worth it? Absolutely no. Nothing that can be considered remotely healthy relationships. You can argue that's still relationships, but does it make that much meaning? I understand an argument about numbers (like 2/10 against 10/10) but that numbers are quite arbitrary and I don't think we could tell every "suboptimal" man to settle for an obese ugly single mom twice he's age just because we perceive him as not so …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:30 PM
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Not necessarily, at least if we follow the definition
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:25 PM
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Why? It's just about deciding not to have sex anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:25 PM
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I use it because I don't think it's temporary. I'm ok with dying alone, so why not
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:24 PM
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Who cares? If a person chooses to be celibate, he's already not so much concerned with what others might think about him. Personally, going celibate was among best decisions I've ever made, and it had nothing to do with "too much sex" obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:22 PM
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Well, then I guess we have different samples. From what I saw in my experience people rarely change their romantic/sexual preferences. Maybe that's minority, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:43 PM
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Just to be clear: 1.) What do you exactly mean by "ugly"? 2.) How many is "majority of men you know"?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:36 PM
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I don't know if interests change as drastically as completely dumping previous lifestyle. I can see how, for example, my musical taste evolved. But it evolved. I didn't suddenly realized that I should listen to entirely different genres. I gradually expand my musical knowledge, and then decided that I like some music I found more recently slightly more then music I liked before. That's why I find 180 turns from wild NSA adventures to perfectly commited marriage rather unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 05:29 PM
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So you're basically saying that there's as much mental difference between a child and an adult as between 20 y. o. and 30 y. o. Quite a bold assumption. Adults, as far as I can judge, change their preferences throughout adulthood mostly when there is a good reason to change. Like realization that their past preferences did them no good. Or because they haven't known better and now they discovered other options. Rarely the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 04:13 PM
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I'd say it sounds reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 03:18 PM
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Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 02:57 PM
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I was involved lately in selling my deceased grandma's apartments, so her library moved to my parents, including 9 volumes of Shakespeare's selected works which I was reading almost religiously as a kid. When I recalled that experience, I thought why the hell Richard III didn't become some sorta mascot for the particular darker kind of pill? Like "deformed, unfinished, sent before my time" and "since I cannot prove a lover to entertain this fair well-spoken days I am determined to prove a villai…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 02:42 PM
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There are people that would tell you that the world is run by lizard people. Never mind such claims :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 02:12 PM
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Oh, well, dinosaurs as a paraphyletic clade excluding Aves crown-group, should we really be that rigorous? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:59 PM
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Ahem, you know, people usually need to be attracted to a person before starting a relathionship with them. Which by definition means being attracted to a person you're not in a relationship with (yet). So yeah, overwhelming majority of people are capable of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:56 PM
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I don't know, there's too much assumptions which can heavily influence the answer. For example, I'm well past that point in my life when I was so overloaded with hormones that I could be instantly aroused just by looking at someome pretty. As for now I'd say the other person should be at least actively flirtatious to turn me on, attractive picture is just a picture. Another issue is the context, realistically if someone hot was hitting on me, my first thought would be it's some sort of a prank o…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 01:50 PM
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Fair points, I get it. As for concerns about sexual experience, well, everyone has their fair share of insecurities, but if you exclude extreme neurotics I guess it's a matter of balance. As you rightfully mentioned, too little experience can raise concerns as well. I would be much more relieved to get an honest and realistic answer, whether it's "sorry we don't click sexually" or "it's ok, you're no worse than other men I've been with", than to be pumped and dumped just because a girl treats me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:42 PM
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I guess you oversimplify what all that buzz about N-count is all about. It's mostly about likelihood of a woman being stable and faithful and able to bond. Not just a number in itself. Of course, having like 40 short-term relationships only from 18 to 30 would probably raise concerns why so many attempts in a row consistently resulted in failure. Not gonna lie. But it's still infinitely better in this regard than having mostly no-strings-attached flings. Because dating, even for just 2 months, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:12 PM
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You can't always get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:59 AM
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Because male promiscuity even then condemned is culturally associated with higher libido which is a desirable trait for many women. On the other hand, female promiscuity is associated with risks of cheating which is humiliating for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:57 AM
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Then you're not one of the women OP is talking about. More of the opposite actually
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:45 AM
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And still, people who stopped doing extreme sport at the very least understand the valid reasons why they don't do it anymore. Like that risk of harming themselves or others is not worth an adrenaline rush. Saying "it's fun but I just changed" is a shitty excuse to deceive a man that they won't do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:41 AM
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do something stupid when young Admitting something was stupid is like the definition of regret
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:32 AM
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Quite an unusual perspective, but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:26 AM
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Oh, such excuses are even understandable. At least such women get that they need an excuse and imply they're not like that under normal circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:14 AM
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"Dated around" is basically serial monogamy. Can't see how it can be compared to having multiple hookups and other "experiments"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:11 AM
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"I left behind my fun single life because you're so cool" feels a million times more romantic Only until you find her still sleeping around behind your back, because you're so cool but fun is fun, you know
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:03 AM
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This too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:00 AM
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Then what changed? You magically stopped enjoying things you enjoyed for years?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:59 AM
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First of all, isn't it speaking volumes that "exploring themselves" and "character development" is always about sleeping around or taking drugs, and not about trying to learn quantum physics or challenge themselves to run a marathon. Then, of course, regret (or at least solid reasons why they stopped) is the key. If you enjoyed it and see nothing wrong with it then why you should stop? If having a threesome with horse-sized chads was so stimulating and exciting, why are you rejecting it for mono…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:55 AM
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I'm yet to find any non-monogamous people who are that "ethical"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:40 AM
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I'm quite sure I would trust, like and respect Mother Theresa, which don't mean I ever fantasized about steamy fun time with her. Things you mentioned are indeed important for most people, however only if physical attractiveness is guaranteed. Which might be not the case with Farmer Joe, no matter how virtuous he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:37 AM
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Aren't we all?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:53 AM
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Maybe you're more on point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:50 AM
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God forbid /s
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:46 AM
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Of course I'd choose good job and education every time. Women filter me out anyway, so why don't concentrate on actually doing something interesting and valuable instead on sacrificing everything just for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:45 AM
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I meant emphasis on physical traits, not social skills and style
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:42 AM
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I'd say the turning point was late 2000's - early 2010's when the internet became really omnipresent and people, in turn, became overwhelmed with amounts of perceived opportunities. So advice from eras before that point would be more-or-less obsolete, after that it can be more useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:37 AM
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That's a very strong objection, but from my experience tinder culture is leaking into IRL too
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:34 AM
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Fair point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:30 AM
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No. Had a somewhat similar experience in a sence, wouldn't recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:20 AM
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Interesting. From what I personally saw (we're the same age but different locations, I assume), most of the women I knew who were admittedly into hookups, they were more relationship-oriented in late teens and even early twenties, and "went wilder" mostly by their mid-twenties. Maybe cultural thing or just a skewed sample.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:16 AM
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Wow, that's a good sample, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:12 AM
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I guess the tricky part is what constitutes "the right man", and from what I saw myself the proportions are different, but I can grasp there might be a selection bias at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:08 AM
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BPD is tough shit to deal with, I understand
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 08:57 AM
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At least as I can see it's more often the case. Can't speak for every single man, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:30 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:08 AM
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5'6 and proportional, so no big frame either even with working out. Pretty much a deal-breaker at least for hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:51 PM
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Interesting, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:46 PM
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Not for me for obvious reasons, but I hope closer-to-average guys out there are gonna take notes lmap
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:41 PM
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That's alright, no need to apologize
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:39 PM
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I understand this argument (though not really sure about "for some it's too low" part). But as of "women don't say", some women say, even if your explanation makes much more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:29 PM
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The party bus part was unexpected lol, but thanks for the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:27 PM
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Wow, thanks for honesty
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:09 PM
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5'6, can confirm in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:09 PM
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Tbh as far as I can see latino culture really seems to be less focused on the height thing. I should probably also asked about background, I guess answer can slightly vary from one culture/country to another.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:08 PM
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Wait, hold on. Arguments like "I see ugly men with girlfriends" or "I'll choose an interesting man over hot but boring one" are literally brought every time the topic of male looks is mentioned. Of course no one thinks women don't care about looks at all, but it's usually presented that most women can quite easily trade looks for nice personality. I personally doubt it's often the case, but that's the narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:06 PM
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Thanks for an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 10:12 PM
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Fair enough, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:28 PM
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That's unfortunate. But I agree about hiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:26 PM
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Thanks! As for "who are" or "who aren't", it was just a reference to "nawalt" idiom.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:25 PM
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Understood, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:39 PM
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I'd probably include not only money but things like care and stability (which doesn't necessary comes with exceptionally high income only and vice versa) etc, but I see your point, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:38 PM
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You can theorize. Not like you can be punished for inaccurate assumptions here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:36 PM
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So it boils down to socioeconomic status of the woman in question, do I get you right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:34 PM
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Thank you for an elaborate response, I appreciate it. However I should ask what is a sample size here, if you don't mind
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:21 PM
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Let's say we're speaking of "met a couple of years ago", not "together since college"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:16 PM
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It's a possibility, can't deny
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:15 PM
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That doesn't mean that there are no lazy rich people or all poor people are lazy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 06:05 PM
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On the other hand, if there are already at least 3 of us, we will inevitably split to tankies and trotskyites, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 02:52 PM
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A specter is haunting PPD...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 02:49 PM
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Of course that's entirely another thing, sure, how could I forget such a wisdom
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 02:26 PM
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I can't add anything to the OP, I just completely agree
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:58 PM
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This. Disagreement on particular positions is perfectly normal, but inevitable polarization just makes it not working at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:55 PM
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Oh, good to know I'm not the only one who takes all the shit from rightists here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:46 PM
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I've never said "agree on everything", it's "agree on basic premises". But inabilty to grasp nuance is typical for rightist, so I'm not surprised
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:36 PM
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I'm gonna screenshot this and save it to remind myself that miracles do happen
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 01:33 PM
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Well, in my case I was explicitly told that looks was the problem. I understand it's not always the case, but I think we can't just dismiss thst statistically looks is one of predictors. Also, cheaters don't usually wear a giant "I'm a cheater" badge, so we're inevitably destined to make some assumptions if we want to navigate the dating scene. Assumptions about such a measurable trait as looks might not be always 100% correct, but not completely useless either. Otherwise, thanks for sympathy, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:33 PM
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Look, I can speak from experience. And experience taught me that "settling on looks" takes place until there's someone hotter to cheat with. I doubt you can call it healthy relationships. As for red flags, I agree, but we definitely need to broaden the usual definition of a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:20 PM
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Hard left, Marxist actually. Can tolerate moderate left, but not right of center. Like "poor people are just lazy" is absolute no.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:16 PM
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Fear about missing out on decent relationship experience? Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:12 PM
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Lmao I can't even at all those "who does that". Plenty of women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:06 PM
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What a king
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:05 PM
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Yet women do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 12:04 PM
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More than two weeks should raise concerns, unless there's something objectively preventing from being intimate, like physical or mental illness, recovery from childbirth etc. Dead bedroom is probably more than a couple of months.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:59 AM
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For me absolutely. Either no interest in politics at all, or views similar to mine. What's the point of being with a person who you either constantly fight with, or avoid mentioning some topics at all? Dating implies at least some level of personal connection, and opposite beliefs make it significantly harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:55 AM
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Just to make it clear: do you realize that statistically average penis is something like 5.5-5.8 inches in length?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:51 AM
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Disagree. High body count likely means that a woman (1) puts much emphasis on sex, (2) has no big problem with changing partners, and (3) has been with enough men to encounter someone better than you in any regard. So if we assume that past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour, it's quite reasonable to assume such a woman is much more likely to dump you or cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:48 AM
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Come on, overexaggeration is already the major problem with this sub, no need to double down on it. If you consider anything but Prince Charming/supermodel "settling", it's reductio ad absurdum. There is an obvious difference between going for something you like even they aren't exactly a person from your dreams, and being with someone you just tolerate for unrelated reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 11:16 AM
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They genuinely think it means women are liars instead of believing the women when they say they can be more attracted to a good personality match Well, I tend to think so because I was actually lied about it. Not once. They also assume it means the woman just couldn't get a hotter guy and therefore is "settling" Because, you know, people prefer to be genuinely liked (yes, sexually liked too). Being someone's fifth choice for lackluster marriage isn't exactly what most men find appealing. I'm pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:50 AM
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Still very surprising. I'm mathematician working in IT, so most of my friends are at least nerd-ish, and it's not normal for them at all. I'd say I've never had a conversation with them that included any specific details about my or their sex lives. I guess it's more of a cultural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:42 AM
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So the problem is bitter presentation, not the idea. By the same standard you can say things like "wanting small government and praising christian values without lynching black ppl is more centrist than conservative". But no, it's still conservatism. And the idea that physical factors most often matter more than behavioural ones is definitely more black than red.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 09:13 AM
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I wonder what are you expecting me to say about this? You have shitty experience with men in bed. I'm sorry for that. So? And I don't even like blowjobs that you claim to be "a standard expectation". Does it mean majority of men don't like them either? Also I was physically attacked by my first serious gf. Had very fun time explaining bruises on my face at university and at work. Does it mean majority of women attack their men? Spoiler: it doesn't. And majority of men are ok with oral and at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:53 AM
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Fair point, but it's really quite rare to see
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:45 AM
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Fair point, but it doesn't explain why "it's not all feminists but a vocal minority" works as an argument, and "not every RP/BlackP man wants to kill all women" doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:38 AM
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Even if only half of what you mentioned is true, I salute you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:35 AM
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This + artificial womb
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:33 AM
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Sometimes I wished I was gay or be, but alas, can't change the nature
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:23 AM
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Well, when I was active in this, ahem, field, of course I prioritized how my partners felt. To the point of realizing one sunny day that I cared about what women want so much that I never managed to ask myself what exactly do I like. So, given all that, just an observation: if she's not that turned on by you, nothing really matters: not sophisticated romantic entourage, not oral gymnastics, not playing speleologist, nothing. Seriously. So I wonder how many instances of "didn't have a single orga…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/21 08:08 AM
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I am highly attentive to my husband’s emotions and feelings Glad to hear, you seem like a good wife. Wish you two well non-ironically. You really should make a post about this Maybe I'll try, thanks for the suggestion. What should the approach be to creeps or “creeps” in your opinion? I don't know if I'm in the position to advise women on this. But if I would be, I'd say just don't overreact. I understand those experiences may be unpleasant or even frightening a bit, but if there's no actual har…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 06:19 PM
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Fair point. However I have a feeling that libidos are pretty much normally distributed, so most people aren't that much mismatched in this regard, all other factors being equal
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 05:01 PM
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Nothing strange, literally "anything I don't like is mysoginy" in reverse
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:52 PM
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I guess the points you mentioned are quite obvious for most people. The problems seem to be expectations for both genders. Women who feel pressured to "do the duty", men who feel pressured to perform and be ready 24/7 - and yes, there are times when his "horniness" and "initiative" has more to do with "being man enough" than with actual hormonal overdrive. Seriously, stupid situations where no one really feels like it but does it out of perceived obligation DO happen. And let's be honest, many w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:51 PM
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Defending "Russia we lost" by using British money against ungrateful peasant hordes was good too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:20 PM
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Oh man, the entire White Movement in our Civil War lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:09 PM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:08 PM
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Well, in statistics predictor isn't exactly "something that works 100% of the time", it's something that correlates strongly enough with the predicted value.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 04:03 PM
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It does
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:49 PM
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> Reagan > un-American Now that's what I call hot take!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:42 PM
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It's not necessary about hiding the truth about personal history. The obsession you see has more to do with assumptions about whether n-count correlates with ability to form strong bonds. Basically, there are two positions: "it means nothing if a person had their fun back then" and "past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:41 PM
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> We’re not on men’s team Yup, that's exactly on of two main problems with TRP (another is exaggeration to a point of sounding ridiculous).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:28 PM
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> bluepill circlejerking Lmao, did you try to read any of my other comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:04 PM
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No problem: Reagan destroying unions and communities' infrastructure while making deals with Colombian/Mexican narcos to disregard crack/meth traffic was bad for lower classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:46 PM
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Tbh I see no problem with special interest groups. Like it's natural to organize if you feel oppressed by majority. But goddamn OWN it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:21 PM
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I think systemic opression of black ppl is unfortunate, and riots are perfectly reasonable response to it. Trying to play "more peaceful than Gandhi" would be unfortunate. Again, you didn't change political landscape with tweets, riots are more of a real deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:04 PM
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Aren’t the Red Pillers and Black Pillers simply “dating chit chat” “wokes”? That's exactly what I find ironic. The whole idea is to at least acknowledge inequality on the dating market if not change the situation. Like exactly the same motive as with minority movements. And still most of redpillers lean right.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 02:00 PM
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inevitable Right > unfortunate Wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:52 PM
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It will never absolve. It's not about magically getting rid of reppressions, it's about gaining actual bargaining power over government at least in some regards at some point in time. Too bad it just can't be gained through marches and tweets. So take the risks or give up on realistically changing anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:47 PM
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Ehh... do you really expect being involved in politics AND not to be hounded by ruling class? Really? It's called "class struggle" and not "class civil debate" for a reason, you know. Like I get if your goal is just to walk down the streets showting slogans once a year, it's ok, but if your goal is to bring some changes in power structure, you're gonna inevitably face the troubles with authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:35 PM
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Of course. I just assumed you associate "left" with "woke" like many Americans seem to do, sorry if I was wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:32 PM
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It can be boiled down to either cultural (i.e. immigrants from agrarian cultures constitute sizeable share of poor ppl, and agrarian cultures = more children) or to inevitable degradation of worker class neighborhoods (i.e. crack whores are less likely to take planned parenthood seriously).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:28 PM
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Not that it stopped the Panthers
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:24 PM
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That's exactly why so called "woke left" has very little to do with actual left. Look up "Socialist Rifle Association" for more sanity and consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:24 PM
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Huey was awesome, too bad he was murdered too young
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:15 PM
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Debs isn't from minorities, that's why I mention them and not him. But I get he should be more popular with general population
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:08 PM
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Yep, but since Russia is motherfucking huge, ~5000 km or so between us should count as almost different countries lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:04 PM
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As the prophecy fortold lol "Here" is in Russia
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:56 PM
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Thanks for the links! It's a shame black musical culture outside mainstream hip-hop isn't that well known here
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:43 PM
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Some old Motorolla, can't remember exactly what model. I'm old.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:41 PM
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Both are batshit crazy, and stop calling the latter "leftist", they are concerned with workers' wellbeing even less than tinfoil-hat paranoids, ppl like Huey Newton or Rosa Luxembourg would cringe at all those tweets from middle-class spoiled cuckoos.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:39 PM
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The devil is in the details. It's not about competence and self-assurance in general, it's about properly showing it in the very specific context. If we're not speakings about basement dwellers, most males have at least a bit of competence and confidence in some regards. You just can't do even everyday adult stuff without it, otherwise you're gonna be smashed, used and abused. The tricky part is to show it within few dates. Women won't know that you can confidently take the lead at your job or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:30 PM
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Thanks a lot! Hall and Oates and Sister Sledge are among my favs, I know Cameo (well, who doesn't), Ohio Players, Sly and Bootsy too, but the rest are new to me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:09 PM
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Ok, my bad, it's "abuse against men isn't an issue"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:58 AM
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Life is hard. Not eating those tasty cakes is normal if you wanna maintain healthy BMI. Not stealing that beautiful sportcar is normal if you value not going into jail above having nice things at all costs. So if all of it is normal, suppressing your animal urges is no big deal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:56 AM
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Which means that most men you know have enough self-control to not act on it with a taken woman, thus literally disproves your point on "men weak women strong".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:54 AM
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I guess it's individual, sorry for lazy argument but it's true. "No actual cheating" can become actual cheating. Or it can not. But the latter requires much self-control and conscious decision to value relationships more than "other options". Many men can do it, so at least dome women are able yo do it too. But if you can't already 99% trust your partner, it's more rational to rely on Murphy's law and consider calling it quits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:52 AM
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First. Not necessarily actively coercing, but not treating their partners being "not in the mood" like they insulted them by not being sex robots
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:46 AM
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Lol, I've just recall experiences with my exes, and got about 10 points from your list checked. But "there is no abuse against men" lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:45 AM
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Thanks, I heard some of his stuff, but I'll pay more attention now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:42 AM
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to avoid him having sex that he doesn't want Wow, really? Women like this exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:41 AM
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Lol, now imagine how much men have that internal pressure to perform eben if not in the mood, just because "if I won't please her enough, she'll leave"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:39 AM
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Mostly fear of not finding anybody better
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:35 AM
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I guess it's mostly 2 with a bit of 3. The very idea of looksmatches isn't really objective. What objective measurement does SMV really correlates with? Purely biological signs of health? Not really, healthy ranges for almost any feature are much broader than standards of attractiveness. Not to mention changes in trends: big booties would be considered ugly in the 90's, and modern e-boys were labeled gay even a decade ago. Percentiles of some traits in general population? Again not really: "tall…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:28 AM
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What's so odd about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 10:38 AM
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Well, in a sense everything here is about lying. Seriously. Practically the entire RP/BlackP narrative is about women saying one thing and doing another
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 10:32 AM
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Musical question. Now I'm revisiting 70's RnB and early 90's scene. Can any recommend something not so well known, but similar to either Earth, Wind, and Fire, Tower of Power, Marvin Gaye etc., or Godflesh and Messhugah?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 10:28 AM
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general hypothesis that men with extro tendencies and personality will spark arousal in women if he’s rated at least average looking Or, well, so basically correlations, maybe regression and t-test for means. If not overthink it, of course. I guess could well work out with samples about 300 each or slightly more. Fair enough. Anyway, good luck with it if you'll ever get a chance to implement it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 08:16 PM
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want his assertiveness for the rest of the world, with her they want him to be gentle and kind Oh, I see where your assumption comes from. It's not about being assertive, it's about looking assertive. Because when (and where) you really need to be assertive, you don't really think about it at all. You don't convince yourself "ok, now I'm gonna be assertive and confidently make X and Y". You just make a move, or come up with idea, or defend your point, etc. Naturally. And then you realize in dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 08:12 PM
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Very good idea, but quite broad. What do you exactly want to test technically? Just correlations? Mean values of some aggregated score? Mean values of both 3 scales individually? Variance? For some of hypotheses 249 values can't pass for asymptotically normal, alas. Sone adjustments of study design can be also needed. But I like the idea, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:49 PM
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Even if it was true, it would be still better for you to join hive mind more intelligent than a typical libertarian. Basically, even a colony of ants is more intelligent than a typical libertarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:30 PM
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So you prove that you're unable to comprehend written text. I know dyslexia us a legitimate condition, but then go for treatment and not pretend to "prove" anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:28 PM
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I'm very confused. It's like you both are right to some extent, I see little contradiction
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:27 PM
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You really like making fool of yourself, don't you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:17 PM
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It probably is, however even minor "symptomatic treatment" would be already better than nothing imo
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:15 PM
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Says the person desperate for attention of random people from the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:12 PM
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Not like I think treating wives like shit is a good idea, but otherwise 100% agree
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:11 PM
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Don't know, maybe small towns in the US are like that, but where I live that's an exception, not the rule. For the rest, see what I wrote above, I have nothing to add. I know that with enough effort and time I can technically get some sex if I settle for the bare minimum, but I have enough self-respect for considering only sincere mutual attraction as an option, and that's where barriers become much more real.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:13 PM
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I don't know if an analogy is correct. Men focus on Tinder because it's not like women on Tinder belong to very narrow demographic, neither they are some actual community. And also the very design of Tinder takes away some social pressure that can skew the distribution: you can get away online with what would be considered rude and shallow IRL. Incel subs, on the contrary, tend to be mostly very young white men with similar upbringings who are there specifically to circle-jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:11 PM
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Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:01 PM
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I'm not an incel, but I get why they consider genetics to be the major issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:00 PM
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So you focus on specific online communities, not on entire population of people identifying as involuntarily celibate. Fair enough, but it's better to specify such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:57 AM
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It was like more than 10 years ago. People change
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:56 AM
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I'm not from the US and I'm not exactly liberal (more left wing actually), but I find Colbert extremely unfunny. On the contrary, Doug Stanhope is funny as hell despite being libertarian, which is almost a mental diagnosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:55 AM
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There are people who survived a lightning strike. Exceptions don't make rules non-existant. And for every lucky ugly dude there are thousands of unlucky ones. Especially if you're not conflating "getting some sex at any costs" with actually having loving relationships. I can speak from experience: I've got girlfriends, but oh god the amount of shitty things in those relationships was not worth it a bit. And given that my last cheating ex explicitly said that my height was the issue and she staye…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:51 AM
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There are photos of whining normies. And there are photos of 5'5 dudes with deformed noses. Assuming the former without actually looking at them is lazy-ass at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:47 AM
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They might be average looking dudes, and they might be not. You can't automatically assume the former
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:45 AM
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So you ask to stop blaming problems best explained by genetics, on genetics. It's called gaslighting.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:33 AM
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People seriously should stop telling men to settle for any option they get, no matter how miserable. No need to settle for a girl who you're not that into. But most importantly never settle for a girl who's not 100% into you sexually and as a person. Never be afraid to turn her down if it's not the case. I'm not only speaking of tolerating behaviours like abuse, manipulations or cheating, that goes without saying. If she "gives you a chance", turn her down, it's not a game show. If you're "not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:31 AM
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Missed that, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 10:20 AM
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That will be an argument when people will be cancelled for the word "manlet" like they're cancelled for fatphobia, and cinematographers will stop making Tom Cruise look taller than everybody else on shot. Before that it's just hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 10:15 AM
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I like how all the your counterarguments are just "no, you wrong"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 10:05 AM
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Men and women can largely disagree amongst their peers who they find attractive and for what reason It doesn't mean there are no correlations for some basic traits. There is much variance about eye color, for example, but height or weight preference is much more uniform. People like different toppings on the pizza, but only minority of them don't like pizza at all. There is obviously something about that person that their partner is attracted to or else they wouldn't likely be with them You're c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 09:51 AM
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OP literally equates "being positive about sex" with "trying role play and bdsm"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 08:53 AM
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When they stop trying to impose their kinks on me, then I'll be more accepting. Again, do whatever you want in your bedroom, that's nothing of my business, but I'm not obligated to listen how it's superior to "vanilla".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 08:38 AM
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Yes. So? It's not about attraction. Everybody is free to reject anybody by whatever reasons. Nobody asks individual women to change their preferences. It's about acknowledging that there is a huge disadvantage that's nothing of my fault. Not dowplaying it, not gaslighting me with anecdotes, not telling me to shut up and settle for 1/10's, and of course not being rude and not thinking I should go extinct. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 08:08 AM
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Why? Your takes are mostly reasonable
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:59 AM
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The voice of reason? On Ppd? Am I dreaming?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:43 AM
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Can't say for the OP, but for me it's unpopular music and math/science/history. Guess his interests are more or less on the same "uncool" page.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:42 AM
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I feel completely the same, glad to see more men prioritize themselves. Good luck with pursuing your hobbies!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:40 AM
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Tulsi
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:36 AM
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That cool collected guy who always takes the lead can be in fact boiling inside. Conforming to expectations of "the real man" doesn't mean having no insecurities, no fears etc. And no, you can't ask to "express his emotions" and then expect those emotions to be only positive or otherwise "acceptable". If you so turned off by some "unmanly" feelings a man can hide inside him, please recognize it as your preference and not as a man's shortcoming. The same goes for saying hurtful things you'd never…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:29 AM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:53 AM
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Well, the left girl is ok. Even cute maybe, definitely not ugly. So if she's nice in other regards, why not going for her? What's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:51 AM
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So the conclusion is to never settle for a girl who isn't super into you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:46 AM
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Oh, our daily "Thank you for making me almost throw up". Do what you want in your bed, nothing of my business, but don't you dare to treat those who are not into sick power plays like someone deficient. If I wanted to choke or beat the shit out of someone, that would be someone I hate, not someone I love. All that dominance-submission dynamics is absolutely disgusting, and I have no intention to "be open-minded about it".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:40 AM
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THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:31 AM
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Because media exposure shapes the expectations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:21 AM
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They hate men who love them more than they can reciprocate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 06:08 AM
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Oh, I see. The entire problem is we don't have Walmart here in Russia
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:59 AM
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Is Driver new Cumberbatch or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 05:52 AM
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the richest, most powerful, top 0.01% of men to all women So true, I can't even at "men did it", as if majority of men have any opportunity to influence legislation and power in the slightest. P. S. What's in the air after the purge? Suddenly something looks like a civil debate, didn't see anything like this in weeks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:56 AM
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Sure :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 04:06 AM
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You literally just described most women My experience says otherwise. some random tweet doesn’t count as proof Some random tweet doesn't, hundreds of them raise some concern. being a decent person will get you sex Depends on your idea of decency, I guess. I offered all the things I mentioned in the last paragraph of my previous + genuine caring (at least my ex stated me being "so caring" as the reason she stayed with me for more than a year), so that was my idea of decency. And while technically…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:41 PM
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Being a decent person will get you sex. First, it won't. Second, it's not the problem. I don't know why reading is so hard for you people, but there are like three paragraphs in the post dedicated to why that's not about getting any sex. If you’re just looking to get laid I don't. You didn't read the post before answering, did you? Women don’t bully men for not having 7 inch dicks sigh Do I need to get you screenshots or what? incels like you believe that “normal standards” include having a virg…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:05 PM
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Lol, it wasn't about me and also that guy was also white, Ukrainian in fact, we're in goddamn Russia, it's not like there are many non-whites here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:07 PM
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If you can point out where I dismissed rape, I'll appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 04:54 PM
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The same rights. But you know, REALLY the same rights
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 03:46 PM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 03:45 PM
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Oh, the same old trap again. Come on, please. We all know it's not about sticking your willy in any hole. Of course everybody technically can get laid: just find an aging ugly crack whore, and she'll be glad to offer you some time together. We're not speak of this scenario, aren't we? We speak about an experience of genuine mutual desire. Do you really think female sexuality is something like Pavlov's dog that can be retrained to react to suit pics? She doesn't find lack of height and hair sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 03:39 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? I'm not disgusted by the idea of my relatives or old people having sex drive. And if a girl who isn't attractive for me asks me out, I won't find it gross and tell her to die because of her physical traits. Because me having different taste isn't her fault or her flaw. And even if she'll be upset about how 10 cruel men in a row rejected her, I'll not answer her with "loose vagina energy". That's what "viewing as a human" means. And that's what women don't usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 03:03 PM
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The difference is calling women "whores" and "post-wall" is viewed socially as a faux-pas at the very least, people realize it's hate speech, there is the whole columes of feminist theory dedicated to this discourse, there are quite a few men who will be eager to call it out (rightfully so, I guess), and with enough effort you can effectively cancel mysoginistic communities. I get it doesn't make it less unpleasant to see, but there are tools to deal with. We have no tools to deal with hate agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:54 PM
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It's basically like saying that the probability of meeting a dinosaur on Times square if 50%: "either you meet it or you don't". Of course there are strong correlations. Physical appearance, sexual abilities, confidence (yes, it's not a magic silver bullet BP wants us to belive, but lack thereof can hinder you). Not being a total dick, or at least pretending to not be one, also definitely helps. Those women who aren't looking for purely meaningless flings can also value shared interests, humor e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:45 PM
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It would be awesome. However, not participating in it is already a huge improvement, so thank you if you don't do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:32 PM
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Look, of course I can't speak for all men. But I explicitly stated what I mean by respect, and I guess enough men would agree with me on that. Your body and emotions are none of my interest, I'll be ok with not calling me names when I express my concerns about tendencies in female behaviour based on my experience, for example. Is it too much too ask for?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:31 PM
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I guess you missed my point. If one has a problem which can be solved with reasonable amount of work (e. g. bad hygiene, being out of shape or lacking any social skills) then of course go for it. But if the problem is immutable traits (like height, for instance) or/and rebuilding your entire personality (like some pua suggest), it's much, muuuch better and healthier to focus on other priorities instead of maniacally trying to overcompensate. You can encourage, let's say, short balding inexperien…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:27 PM
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I don't know maybe NYC is indeed such a magical place, but in my country (and I've been to many places) I definitely don't see "every type of guy" in decent relationships. At least if we mean that by "getting women". I can't emphasize enough that technically almost everyone can "get a girl" if you define it as "having intercourse with anybody once in a while". "Getting a decent girl to geninely like you as a sexual being" is the whole other level, and that's where there struggle usually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:15 PM
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I get their phrasing can be off-putting, but I doubt most of those rants (excluding obvious sexism) can really pass as "not giving women power over themselves". Maybe I missed something but the message "I wish women in general were more accepting towards men who are X and Y" is naive, yes, but it's not like "every women should change their preference for me". Gosh, I myself am okay with no women liking me already. Also it's understandable to deny respect for the individuals who prove themselves …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 02:07 PM
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You are supposed to treat hate speech towards those complaining like any other hate speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:55 PM
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Of course "I don't like to be told to die" is the perfect reason to call anyone small dick. You're so devoid of any human decency that you literally enjoy seeing men suffering and still manage to blame them for that. I hope you get cancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:52 PM
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First learn to read, you dyslexic dumbshit deny them the basic human right TO DESIRE to be liked as sexual being You can't even grasp how the problem is not someone's not getting laid, but the fact you entitled self-absorbed bitches can't even tolerate the idea everybody has the fucking right to be frustrated by being rejected over IMMUTABLE TRAITS you moron You lazy piece of shit assume the nonsense about "acting gross" why we just fucking ask to stop your stupid vile jokes when we're not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:44 PM
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Then leave us alone. You don't care - that's fine, don't bother us. What's the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:39 PM
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First, if you quote someone, do it right: deny them the basic human right TO DESIRE to be liked as sexual being It's not even about being automatically liked by anybody, it's about respecting the need. Second, if nobody's denying us that right then nobody should have any problem with men's frustration when they are facing rejection and humiliation. Yet we're shamed by women for "aiming out if our league", and the need to be sexually validated is suddenly "treating women like wet holes". If we ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:38 PM
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You're still not entitled to sex Who said I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:28 PM
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Thanks again, and I don't argue with your point about cruelty and stuff. But I think I may use my example to prove the point that lack of empathy isn't always the reason (I'd even say rarely the reason) why many men struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:27 PM
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Better safe than sorry, but ok, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:09 PM
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Well, if dating life is the priority, then don't be me lol. Otherwise, I'm quite good. My friend circle is not so big, but those people are both reliable and interesting. My income is in like top-15% for my country, if you exclude billionaires. Also enough hobbies to never be bored. So honestly I don't know if I have much reasons to complain, except for how some people are retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:09 PM
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Ok, so that's like in 3 hours?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 01:02 PM
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Afternoon in which timezone?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:54 PM
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No, I just remind that it can be viable possibility too, so photos alone mean nothing without context
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:41 PM
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Thanks, but if I learned something then that's is she's not only not alone in it, her behaviour is basically the new norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:15 PM
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Technically yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:13 PM
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Good one
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:13 PM
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First, it's not like Ppd is the only space you can see it. Second, debate sub doesn't equal "the place for trading insults".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:09 PM
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Since when wanting not purely platonic relationships, but also a sexual connection is "all you need is a wet hole"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:08 PM
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Nope, I realize most of the women hate tinder experience because the fuckboys they choose dump them after sex (because they can lol). Not because they look for smooth talkers with incredible personality but magically stumble upon chads every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:03 PM
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Wisdom of past generations is that tou can indeed talk that prudish girl you like to into dating you, because she's so out of touch with her sexuality that anything borderline exciting is infinitely better than closing her eyes and thinking of England within an arranged marriage. It doesn't apply that well to modern situation where any time she's slightly bored she can choose from a thousands of fuckboys by any superficial criteria. And arrange that sexual story with that chad with 8 inches down…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:49 AM
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I guess depends on what you mean by "blackpilled". Obsessing about millimeters of bone in one's maxilla while never ever talking to girls IRL? Then I doubt there are many of such people. Acknowledging that physical traits are the most important predictor of sexual attraction, and they're extremely difficult for men to compensate for? Then I guess the majority of men understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:43 AM
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Well, there are many things that's hard to replicate or even properly test. For instance, it's really hard even to assess the distances between galaxies, let alone unambiguously explain them. That's why we come up with hypotheses which can explain the observation by some consistent realistic assumptions. Dark matter is hard to detect, and dark energy - we don't even know what it is at all. But they fit the Einstein field equations well, and can explain the data without making assumptions that do…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 10:13 AM
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Now I'm afraid to ask what gamma-pill would mean...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:36 AM
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Is it an achievement for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:26 AM
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This whole thread is you making claims about dating without backing them with any evidence, and then making assumptions on whether my experience is valid. Sorry, it can't pass as "showing the case to be true".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:23 AM
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Then why didn't you do this yourself? I thought it's not supposed to be one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:18 AM
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Hope for what? Do you automatically assume people in photos have actually happy relationships, and not just so desperate to serve as a doormat for the first cute girl who is open to use them? I had such photos of myself, so I'm not sure at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:16 AM
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Are you kidding me? Jumping to a town bicycle who doesn't give a shit about you? Just because she's cute? Do you really think everyone here is so devoid of self-respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:11 AM
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Then you're entitled to your opinion, fair enough. And I'm not obligated to explain every traumatic bit of my private experience for a stranger on the internet. So?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:08 AM
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maybe a preference for taller people is normal Well, first you insist on how every person is an individual with unique set of needs and desires, but now having the same ubiquitous superficial bias is completely normal. What do I miss here? Also you see latino men almost exclusively marrying latina women (for whom they're not that short in comparison), which is explainable given the amount of racial segregation in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:05 AM
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"If you were not beaten nearly yo death and coerced into snuff porn, your experience and your feelings are invalid" Wow, dude, I like this attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 09:01 AM
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This is wrong. I convince men not to "feel ugly", but to accept themselves even if women view them as inferior.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:59 AM
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Yes. When I asked my cheating ex (who said in my face that she wanted "to fuck tall handsome men and not me") why torture me for about a year, she answered that "you [me] was so caring" and she "didn't want to lose that care". Also I've yet to find examples of righteous female anger aimed for abusers (for instance), and not for manlets and small wieners who deserve to go extinct. So, according to you it's lack of empathy, and according to reality it's physical measurements. Thus seems like we sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:55 AM
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Yes, you can't imagine. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:49 AM
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Can you elaborate since when empathy is measured in centimetres or feet and inches?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:46 AM
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Expecting such things from ppd is like expecting tribal shamans to cure cancer
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:44 AM
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How could we forget that desire to be liked is for females only, otherwise it's a crime
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:39 AM
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why don’t you just simply stop trying to date women We did. I literally have no relationships with women other than working/platonic for about 1,5 years. So? I'm here not to talk about you, I'm here for lulz and maybe for offering some support to struggling men. It's you, who chase men all over the internet to tell them how they are so inferior, to rant how manlets must die and having less than 7 inches down below is an insult for humanity, and to oscillate between "your pp small" and "hOw AbOuT…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 08:38 AM
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Don't stereotype women, everyone is an individual I know how to attract women as a whole
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:37 AM
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describes actual market fiasco and capitalism's shortcomings still blames socialism
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:23 AM
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Go anywhere, just don't insult our queens' eyes by existing somewhere near them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:21 AM
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The complete rejection of all sexual relationships Very promising start for those who did not achieve a life partner by 20 Disappointing finish
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:09 AM
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Well, then you're a rare exception, if you're being honest (and oh god how many times in my life such statements were not honest at all). But I'm in no position to doubt you, so I assume you're an honest exception, and appreciate it. Doesn't make people like you less rare though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:47 PM
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extremely direct with a woman Yep, that's how I got my last gf and a couple of ONS after her. And that's how I learn my lesson that physical attractiveness is the key even if you can get some sex without it (mainly because it cones with the cost of humiliation afterwards, and also sex isn't that great).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:42 PM
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Women will forgive a drawback in face of a strong benefit My whole life experience says otherwise. you can talk to 20 women in 2 hours of taking a longer route of walking to your home after work Don't know about your culture, but in our culture bothering complete strangers on streets is considered impolite. Talking is free. Walking outside is healthy Can't argue, I personally enjoy both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:31 PM
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If they end up being a stereotype, then you treat them stereotypically Exactly. And since I've yet to find an example of a woman liking short men, I acknowledge that they don't. I respect their preference and don't bother them. Don't know how it can be harmful for them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:29 PM
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Sorry, what small knit community do you mean? I live in a city with like 18 millions inhabitants. And if you mean my close friends circle, then my female friends are either happily taken, or we're not interested in each other sexually. So it leaves me with much, much broader circle of people I don't know well, and since I've already learnt my lesson to not trust intentions at face values, I'd better stick with what majority of women tell when they speak their heart. And they heart tells us that …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:11 PM
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Yet I can see the tendencies. It's not like everybody's preferences are so different that there are no overwhelmingly common trends. Statistics is a thing, you know. I even make a living from it in a way. So if a particular woman has nonstandard taste, it's good to know, but the chances are you'll never encounter her in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:53 PM
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It means that you will have to work harder on finding a person for whom your shortcoming is not a deal breaker First, I don't think absolutely normal healthy variation in height is a "shortcoming". If someone doesn't like it, it's not a reason to devalue myself. Second, okay, let's assess the chances of "finding a right person". We'll be optimistic and say that 1 women in 100 would be perfectly okay with my 5'6. Let's also assume you go out every Friday night and meet 5 new women every time you …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:46 PM
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Bitterness isn't necessary, I don't argue with that. I just doubt it makes women like in this sub a dismissable minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:30 PM
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And it also requires specific traits. Like work interaction requires not only building relationships, but also competence in your area of expertise. Like parent-child interaction requires nurturing skills. The same goes here: physical attractiveness is a must for an interaction to be romantic and sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:28 PM
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Then I wouldn't agree to that, alas
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:26 PM
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I don't ask you to tolerate them, I ask you about your point on majority/minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:25 PM
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In strict darwinian sense? Sure, fair enough. But sexual selection might not be, there are observed effects of sexual selection just in a few generations in some species.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:24 PM
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Well, then may I ask a serious question? The women here don't represent majority of women out there. Fair enough, it might be the case. But then I look at other communities (both within and outside Reddit), and women there make similar statements. Okay, maybe it's just an online thing. The women out there IRL, who have enough courage to speak their heart, again speak similar things. Even actually amazing humans (no sarcasm here) can speak about viewing non-attractive men as inferior, if it comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:22 PM
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If we mean wuality of life for more, then yes, it would work. Only if by "more" you mean first-world middle-class and higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:14 PM
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Why do you conflate any human interaction with interaction within romantic/sexual context?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:12 PM
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I doubt it. For example even if all tiny women go for 6'4" guys, they will have a good chance to born shorter sons. Going for most masculine-looking guys gives a chance to getting masculine-looking daughters, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:10 PM
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Beauty standards for men don't change that much
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:07 PM
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"You subhuman trash deserve to die, but before that show some empathy for us who hate you"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:06 PM
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oH lOoK hOw EdGy I aM, I mAkE "jOkEs" W/o UnDeRsTaNdInG sHiT aBoUt ExPlOiTaTiOn AnD eCoNoMiCs In GeNeRaL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:03 PM
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No it couldn't. Please try to understand what a capitalism is (hint: it's not when you trade a thing for another thing, it's more complicated).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:00 PM
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it was your choice to not bother the doll who sits there and wants to be entertained The fact I had my share of dates like this doesn't exclude neither other experiences, nor final conclusions. They censor themselves all the time So you're 100% sure you can speak of general population? Nice experiment with only one instance I wrote explicitly I also have observations of how other men had it. Or it doesn't count? Did I need to go through more suffering just to speak solely from first-hand experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:56 PM
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Make your offer for the 1st time is not harassment Okay, I get you. Now please explain it to women. Being creepy is not a crime There is that old-timey silly thing called "reputation", you might have heard of it. Hopefully, I was never so desperate to trade it for an intercourse. it's going to be harder. So? So I draw an appropriate conclusion. Women are not interested in what I can offer, thus I don't bother them. Most of them don't bother me in return. It's win-win, nobody's wasting their time…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:25 PM
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Why are you focused on tinder Because the post is literally about tinder? designed (mostly by men btw And West African slave trade was first implemented by some West African chiefs. Guess who benefitted from it. so their sense of what they would choose IRL is hyperfocused on the visual They seems to be quite content with that. And since it's new reality both online and IRL, does it matter how it was established? The result still holds: women are more and more concentrated on looks. Because IRL y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:42 PM
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You're running out of good ideas for trolling already? In less than a 24 hrs? I'm almost disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:19 PM
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Well, nobody pressures you to take my word. But in return I'll stick with my experience, guess we can agree to disagree here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:15 PM
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Now please tell this to tinder girls. I've already have a circle of good friends who find me interesting the way I am, so I already don't censor myself. Also don't know how you imagine sexual attention having something to do with expressing your personal desires, while it's mainly about looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:14 PM
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I don't know how you come up with such bizarre ideas. What degrading concession? Jeez. I was talking about OLD requirements to "entertain", which 99% of the time means "I'll be sitting there with bored face, and you must do all the talk and manage to make me laugh, even though I have a personality of an earthworm"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:08 PM
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Well, then you can argue the weight isn't the only factor men seek in women (which is true for many), but "male ideal" is most women's minimum list of requirements for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:03 PM
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Dude. I play 4 instruments, read in 2 languages (another 3 less confidently, but still) and got a whole wall of bookshelves to read. And since I'm never bored with all that, I'm pretty damn interesting for myself. If it's not enough for someone else, it's not my problem. Just don't make me play a clown for these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:00 PM
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Come on, sone will take it as a medal of honour
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:53 PM
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Requirement to be a person doesn't need to be stated explicitly. And I don't know why the hell you assume "blank stare" as a response, I'm just not interested in doing all the work by myself while "her not amused majesty" silently sits there like a doll. With an actual blank stare.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:46 PM
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In my experience if you don't behave like a cuckold, they won't treat you like one. Setting boundaries is real deal, so make it clear you're not offering free services and aren't inclined to play a gossip dumpster. If they value you as a human being, things will be alright; otherwise, it's not a huge loss. So I never felt deficient. Of course, I'm no mind-reader, but even if they somehow secretly thought of me as a less of a human, it didn't affect relationship dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:42 PM
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The point is I'm not a telemarketer. And I don't need to play a dancing monkey. If they matched with me, they are free to get to know me and decide if they like my humour, and/or my thoughts etc. Not like I'm hiding anything. But it's not a job, and I don't owe them entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:35 PM
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Genuine friendships with women shows that they are willing to treat men like actual human beings, and thus are neither malevolent, nor devoid of empathy. Just not in romantic/sexual contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:31 PM
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How could we forget that definition of "not boring" is "entertaining random bored strangers as long as they're female"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:20 PM
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Why should I like or not like something specific? My body is functional, even reasonably in shape, it serves me well. I'm not gonna to jerk off to my reflection in the mirror and I (thankfully) stopped caring about whatever women think about my looks, so I'm just alright for myself, and that's already enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:17 PM
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Do you really call that long list "bare minimum" and not being morbidly obese "an ideal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:10 PM
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Supposedly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:08 PM
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How "varies but only to an extent" is not an option?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:45 PM
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Getting buff + grow a beard. If you're not ugly and not short, that'll be enough to not hinder you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:54 PM
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Right
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:48 PM
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I was excited to see some mad elaborated conspiracy about how all wives are just a scam made by lizard people. And you disappointed us with an old argument about hypergamy. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:47 PM
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Oh gosh take your racist butt somewhere else
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:28 PM
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I'd never take it seriously if I didn't hear the same things be said in my face, and also in women-only online communities. Плюс, я и не беспокоюсь особо.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:22 PM
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As if that's not the case with almost any discussion nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:13 PM
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Are you kidding me? Didn't know "not fucking" now means "all those rants about how manlets must die and how it's okay to use ugly dudes for meals, and also public shaming".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:11 PM
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Sex is not a need, sexual release is. It doesn't mean it's not hard to live without any intimacy, but things should be put into perspective. "Biologically different" - well, I sincerely hope it's about like different average muscle mass and not bs about "innate instinct to spread your seeds", because real fact is there are no instincts in humans, and even our basic behaviours are heavily affected by early experience and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:00 PM
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Учи олбанский, животное (я старый, мне можно)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:53 PM
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We'll never reach the point where they won't work for anybody. But they're already not working for non-chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:51 PM
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First of all, we're not using OLD. Second, irl is also useless due to shifting societal norms. Embrace solitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:21 PM
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No you shut up about Russia. Раша стронг, епта
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:20 PM
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First of course, lol, what else it can be
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:12 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:11 PM
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Yep, because you can find thousands of similar stories online. It might not be the experience of every single girl in stem, but even noticeable minority is enough to raise concerns.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:09 PM
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Process it for a while, then change my behaviour according to nee beliefs. What else I can do?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:07 PM
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Dude. I heard with my own ears how professors explicitly said that they're not gonna give female students A's because they're inferior and go to the university just to find a husband. Not once. Not twice. And I'm saying this as a man who's generally distrustful towards woman, but that's just reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:58 PM
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I start on being serious for a sec. So, seriously, I want pretty much two things: (1) disrespectful behaviours against men treated like any other shit worth of cancelling, (2) men actually supporting each other instead of sick adolescent competitions. And now for sick power fantasies: Mass culture. If all that kids see is a gigachad getting a stacey in every single movie, they would put too much emphasis on getting a girl and valuing gigachads. If they see instead, let's say, films about scienti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:50 PM
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For sure
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:20 PM
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Yes. So how does this correct point changes incorrect points?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:16 PM
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Man, it's all good, inner strength is beneficial, I get it. But it's not about how you choose to process and express emotions. It's about you literally should be conscious about it and do it in particular way (no matter when you feel like it or not), because otherwise you "lose points". It's not a free choice, it's a pressure to conform. By the person who supposed to care about you. If it's not dehumanizing, I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:14 PM
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Thanks for your kind words. Hope you recovered well after that abusive experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:01 PM
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People will use any excuse to feel superior, no matter how random, superficial or ridiculous. Like nationalism is still a thing, and what's more random than being born on specific place on Earth. That's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:55 AM
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Ну зато теперь многое понятно лол)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:43 AM
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You look surprisingly un-American
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:37 AM
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Dude, at least have some intellectual dignity. Answering to women's exaggerations by your exaggerations is cheap at best. Academic And they're still have it objectively harder in STEM. Career Progression There are like thousands of stories about glass ceilings. Fuck their boss and/or director So would you fuck an ugly old woman to get a promotion? Some women have some dignity, you know. Socializing and Forming Friendships Often shallow friendships. No doubt, socializing for females is easier, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:28 AM
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Why inferior? They're just conditioned to different behaviours in general. Not like their fault and not even something necessarily and inherently bad. It's like blaming an owl that it hunts on mice, even if mice are cure and furry.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:16 AM
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You're very lucky to have really comforting women around you, it's rare
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:13 AM
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I rarely visit this sub lately, but when I comment here, it's because: 1.) Maybe I could offer support and advice for struggling men, 2.) Some women's comments are so atrocious, I can't just pass by, 3.) If I need to procrastinate, why not do it here? It might be fun. Speaking of genders, I don't like or hate entire genders. Some women are nice to have a conversation with, some make good friends. I like them as friends/acquaintances. Few women even try to understand men's struggles and show some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 11:08 AM
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No one didn't want to date, let's put it that way, "disadvantaged men" already. So what would change if he changed his attitude? He may think of women negatively, and they won't date him. Or he may think of them entirely positively, and they still won't date him. So what difference does it make? Also the way out of victimhood is not to put the blame on yourself and trying to gaslight yourself, but to acknowledge the situation first and honestly process the emotions. In this case it means one nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:44 AM
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You literally set decent standards for potential mate out of self-respect and then throw any self-respect away just because someone was hot. If it's not tragic, I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:25 AM
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Why do you assume that: 1.) He seeks relationships, 2.) He does nothing to deal with trauma, 3.) He's obligated to care about others if others don't care for him? And most importantly, what the things you mentioned have to do with causal relationships between being single and being hateful?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 10:14 AM
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As far I can see only a retard in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:45 AM
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Says who?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:43 AM
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Exactly. And that's why I can't understand why manosphere is so right-leaning. It's like shooting themselves in the foot
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:14 AM
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WHAT
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:04 AM
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Never ever assume things like this. Better safe than sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:02 AM
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Yep, and I'd not say things like this if I was him. But what does it change? You said: If you ever wonder why you’re single, take one quick look back at this comment It is false, because his hatefulness is most likely a byproduct by being probably betrayed or even abused. At the very least - constantly rejected. Not the other way around. How hateful he is now is not the source of the problem, it's a consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:00 AM
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Thank you for the horror story
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:53 AM
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Most likely Europe
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:46 AM
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Marxist (not Jordan Peterson's idea of "marxist", but actually marxist) organization in Russia. Don't know if it can possibly be relevant to you in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:44 AM
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Pretty solid, thanks! Except for "niche-max". You can't "niche-max" if there is no niche, and there are no "other areas" that can compensate for such a deal-breaker as height. Just pure luck sometimes. At least I'm yet to find any provable examples of ordinary short dudes (celebrities aside) being genuinely desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:21 AM
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"Probability of getting laid" by no means equals "life"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:12 AM
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Because it's never about just "liking" or "disliking"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:09 AM
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Better safe than sorry Being nice isn't the same as being a romantic/sexual prospect, so what's the problem to treat women decently even if you realize some tendencies in the dating market? If you're unsure about your gf, it's never totally unreasonable, unless you're diagnozed with paranoia. Moreover, if I trusted my gut more than I was younger, I could save myself a lot of neurons wasted due to stress. If you are really can so easily change your worldview 180°, it's not the sub's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 08:05 AM
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As if OkCupid was the only source of data
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:59 AM
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Blaming doesn't change anything for sure. But understanding the problem is still a step towards a solution. Including figuring out what "doing the most with what you got" actually means for you. And it might mean "doing nothing", because if, for example, 9 out of 10 girls consider height a dealbreaker, you can't magically grow inches, so it would be rational to concentrate on things other than dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:51 AM
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It seems like you got it backwards
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:47 AM
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Because otherwise you're not only pathetic, but a pathetic copycat, which is even worse. Because I'm a member of a political organization, which implies meeting new people on regular basis; I work out 3 times a week; I play 4 instruments; I'm learning advance math (algebraic topology) for myself and also constantly trying to educate myself on biology, psychology, physics, and history; I know English good enough to read Shakespeare and Hemingway and can hold basic conversation in French, German, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:46 AM
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No, of course, there are enough obvious exceptions. I guess it's not even majority of women. However, one can't deny female promiscuity and cheating are being normalized, sometimes even glorified.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:34 AM
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Dude, if you wanna have a conversation, try writing something coherent at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:24 AM
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Dude, if you want to troll people, at least try to cone up with something either original, or at least believable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:22 AM
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This. An ideal environment for true colors being shown. I'd say we must even appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:20 AM
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Good point, but not because "she hasn't done it" (99% it's not the case), but because of basic self-respect. If she wants you, she'll do anything to make it clear. If it's unclear, don't be so desperate for a p_ssy. Value yourself already.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:14 AM
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It might be fun if it wasn't that unrealistic. Power fantasies never change
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:11 AM
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Yes. And most men aren't promiscuous or cheaters. So?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:04 AM
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"You have to play with the hand you’re dealt" is such a bullshit argument. People who were born poor also have to play what they're dealt, it doesn't mean we should not talk about systemic income inequality. Even if you heard of a guy who made it from a mudshack in Bombay to Silicon Valley. Even if someone can be content with low income. It's still an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 07:00 AM
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What a kink is when a war veteran has flashbacks about war? More seriously, of course, no sane person will take all those pills uncritically. That would be ridiculous. But it's understandable when people need to vent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:52 AM
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Exactly. Then why you're blaming his bitterness when he walks away from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:37 AM
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Can't say I "believe in pills" since the amount of overexaggeration for both pills makes uncritically believing in them simply stupid. But the story is simple. Unfortunately, my role model was my father, who is not the most handsome and high-status man, but he made everything possible to support my mother both financially and emotionally, and she was caring and supportive in return. Also no signs of infidelity from either side, I'd noticed if dad ever showed home late or if my stay-at-home-mom s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 06:32 AM
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Thousand times THIS
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:26 AM
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Are we speaking of "Hollywood ugly" trope here?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:25 AM
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They see us like this even if we are not like this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:24 AM
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It's very disappointing to see the title that's absolutely right, and then the text which is like 50% wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:22 AM
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I don't know, but that's exactly what men should do if they have a bit of respect for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:19 AM
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My point is you literally claim that he's single because he holds negative views about women. While in reality he most likely holds those beliefs as a result of being unhappily single. It's also Psychology 101: electrocute a monkey like 5 times when it tries to reach a banana, and the monkey will be repulsed by bananas ever since.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:16 AM
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Dude, you seem to have no idea how human behavioural biology works. Next time try to think why people can chew a delicious piece of meat and then literally vomit the second they know it's made of a rat. There are no simple instincts, but complicated feedback loops involving beliefs, morals etc. Even if the most basic needs are at play
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:11 AM
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Three long term relationships (excluding high school drama) + about ten flings which went nowhere after few dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:07 AM
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Oh, as Herman Goering said, "I decide who's Jew here".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:06 AM
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1.) They're underrepresented pretty much everywhere. Don't forget, those still are mostly first world spaces. And first world is mostly white, especially given that those who has no time and no money to whine on the internet, i. e. the most poor and oppressed people, are predominantly of color. 2.) Alt-right bullshit. Seriously, nazi/fascist/conservative intoxication is the most frustrating thing about the manosphere. I doubt we'll ever see really inclusive support networks for men until we get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 05:02 AM
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I rate them all 0/10 because I'm not a pedophile and anybody using TikTok in their twenties is obviously on a level of a child
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:56 AM
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I can't even express how not true it is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:49 AM
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This, but unironically
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:46 AM
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I like how it's suddenly about "correctly expressing personal preference" and not actually ubiquitous treatment short or fat men like subhumans by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:42 AM
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We need you to show emotions No, not that emotions, you pathetic wimp
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:31 AM
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It's like saying "he hit you because you feel hurt". Never thought that maybe people become bitter because life experience and not vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:30 AM
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It's quite bold to assume all the women are genuinely that attracted to the men they're currently with. I guess if you asked my ex why he was with me, she would also enumerate things like care, attention, kindness and shared interests (at least those were the excuses she gave me before breaking up), but did it mean shit? Not at all. So I doubt there will be enough really representative and valid answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:33 AM
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Did it, didn't work. So naturally, attention and commitment couldn't be the main traits in the dating scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:26 AM
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First of all, sorry for your loss. To the point of your post: depends. Disability alone isn't that much of a deal for many men. I think you understand it's unusual and there are those who will be confused or repulsed. But I doubt they're the majority. Personally I wouldn't mind it. If there are obstacles, they are more likely in "not that attractive" part. Sorry, can't realistically judge without seeing you. Maybe you're just being humble, and actually are cute, just not model looking. Then no w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:21 AM
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You're conflating things. Women who care about saving relationships are in relationships with men they perceive as high-value (i. e. already tall, sexy etc.). The rest don't care much.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:12 AM
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No, it's not. And correct analogy would be with living standards, for instance. Like inability to get a degree without going deep onto debt. That doesn't mean severe lack of intimacy in men isn't the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:09 AM
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Already killed your so? Do I get it right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:06 AM
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There are good and respectable women out there, no doubts. And they're taken. Also it's quite naive to assume that good morals and personal values are subjects of natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 03:03 AM
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Depends. Having some flaws looks-wise is no big deal if you have something else to offer. Being morbidly obese or too ugly is usually a deal-breaker for most. Bullshit. Maybe some are into it, but definitely not the majority. We have enough stress to deal with additional stress from these creatures. True.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 02:57 AM
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Good point. But one should staying fit for himself, not for the women. That's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:30 AM
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Good luck finding photos or videos where Cruise or Efron look significantly shorter then others. There is whole industry trying to hide their height. Don't know if acknowledging it is "an excuse"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:28 AM
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Gosh, is it that hard to realize there are low standards for highly attractive and/or sexually gifted men and higher standards for the rest? Isn't it like obvious?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:21 AM
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Never expect anything from women. Of course, male body-positivity is needed, but it can be implemented only by men themselves for themselves. No sooner then men start to value their integrity above getting pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:19 AM
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9, male
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 01:13 AM
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Of course nothing is the fault of women, we all know women are always right and incapable of doing anything questionable, let alone harmful.
/r/ExRedPill23/09/21 05:54 PM
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"They" react to this question because it has nothing to do with any concern where the person asked comes from. "Who hurt you" is just a shortcut to invalidate their opinion, make them look inadequate, and in the same time not to appearing overly rude. In reality of course they were hurt. It's quite an untrivial task to not being affected by all the shit they got. To be ridiculed and treated like a subhuman garbage for any physical "imperfections" or psychological quirks they have a little contro…
/r/ExRedPill22/09/21 08:23 PM
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Wow, the queen is not amused by overwhelming amount of jesters. What a tragic situation when you can't automatically decide whether your match with a body of a greek god and 6 figures would also be a reliable family man, has 7 inches down below and simultaneously is a mind-reader who knows exactly what your sexual preferences the moment he sees you. Of course all those men who are desperately hoping someone will like them while most women treat them like subhumans, they definitely have it much e…
/r/ExRedPill22/09/21 07:51 PM
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In this situation being fit can slightly improve your chances. However, those chances still remain relatively low.
/r/ExRedPill22/09/21 06:31 PM
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Where do you live? SEA I assume?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:29 AM
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bored by ... This is how society will amuze itself to death. Life is mostly boring and constantly chasing excitement leads nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 12:01 AM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:41 PM
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I don't think that most people here would argue that rape is tolerable. Few would genuinely argue against social equality of genders. So I sincerely don't see what so "blue pill" about it, I view "blue pill" mostly as refusing to acknowledge that female attraction in general mostly depends on superficial and sometimes immutable traits. I do get why you're against ideology, typical TRP narrative takes things to such extreme that it just sounds ridiculous. I myself am very reluctant to identify as…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:41 PM
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What's so "deflecting" about it? Options are their either they have lower libido and don't bother with sexual attraction that much, or they have flings on the side, or they're rare exceptions who don't really put much emphasis on physical appearance. "Plenty" part means that the latter is statistically implausible. It also means that lower libido can't be always the case, female libido is hugely underestimated due to stereotypes. That leaves us mainly with "side-pieces" options. Isn't it logical…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:29 PM
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Height shouldn’t be an issue Why? Physical fitness doesn't compensate for a lack of height
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:10 PM
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Thoughtful answer, thanks, I wonder why you have a "blue pill woman" flair saying that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:08 PM
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How many side-pieces those women have in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 11:07 PM
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I think it depends on what counts as "sexual success". Just having any sex? That's doable for sure. Having somebody to be genuinely sexually attracted to you? A lot trickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:53 PM
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About 3/4 of the relationship. Don't know what do you mean by "invalidate" but that definitely spoke volumes about expectations of women like her: to be taken care of and give nothing in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:30 PM
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With my ex I was the sole provider for almost a year, whereas all domestic work was split evenly. I was also expected to take care of accounting the bills and dealing with a landlord. Further questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:20 PM
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Maybe possible but definitely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:17 PM
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One if my exes were taller than me too. It was the ultimate cautionary tale about why male height matters more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:09 PM
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First you claim they should be the same, now you say they're not the same. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:05 PM
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Well they have little choice
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 10:03 PM
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That's even more depressing, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:57 PM
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Unfortunately this seems to be true. I've yet to find any examples of women who regret sleeping around.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:53 PM
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I wish I could punch a face of everyone who use "fragile masculinity" as derogatory term. Masculinity is fucking constructed this way, masculine standards are narrow and deviation from them is punished. You do nothing about changing it and still try to humiliate those who try to adapt to it, you hypocrite moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:49 PM
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Depends on what you consider "fine". Is it socially acceptable? Yes. Is it a thing worth doing? No, it's denigrating to the other part. I'll better die alone than be "settled with" by someone who basically view me as deficient. Same goes for women who are ready/not ready to be pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:42 PM
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I'm thinking on this problem. Loneliness isn't the issue, most people who say this are already accustomed to it. Health conditions are trickier but I think there should be ways to have someone to check once a day if you had a stroke or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:38 PM
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That's logical fallacy, AF in the age of contraception doesn't necessarily correlate with percentage of extramarital children. If we had sufficient data a of cheating, for instance, that would make a part of evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 09:34 PM
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Even if your estimate is right it still leaves things like 5.2" within normal range.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 02:22 PM
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Interesting, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:47 PM
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This except power play in the bedroom
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:19 AM
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Some do. I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:19 AM
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Oh, makes sense, sry
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:43 AM
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That's not hard to see why you're married
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:37 AM
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Clean criminal records Sorry but I loled you mentioned it explicitly
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:33 AM
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Why do you think top-20%? Aside maybe "outgoing" part (that varies) that's like basic requirements, there are plenty of men who fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:27 AM
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Why Germany in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:21 AM
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Male, 31, reasonably fit (no chiseled 6 pack but no round belly either) but 5'6 and statistically average dick lol. Got a good uni's degree, now making what's roughly equivalent to US lower 6 figures. Introverted, generally risk aversive. When I was dating, I used to be quite a caring (but maybe somewhat boring) partner if it matters. Hypothetical requirements would be: loyal/faithful, not obviously entitled and able to communicate in the mature way, holding similar values/beliefs on important t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:20 AM
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Nah, all is consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:03 AM
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Unfortunately, that's the price of holding an unpopular /"unpopular" opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:42 AM
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Ahem, I work in IT/applied math, and I've saw enough borderline-neckbeards who were by no means low IQ. At least with IQ not low enough to being unable to do their (sometimes challenging) work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:39 AM
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This
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:30 AM
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much hotter women as I became older and more successful ... the most attractive women I talk to are often also the most receptive of TRP beliefs So you basically bought their obedience. Like you know, waiters in a nice restaurant are more attentive and eager to please than McDonalds cashiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 08:29 AM
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I agree, prostitutes most likely seem to be, ahem, ambiguous alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 07:44 PM
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Isn't things like "where a clit is" like Anatomy 101? I was talking about less basic stuff, mainly the skill of correctly reading purely non-verbal clues, since many women expect you to rely solely on those clues. And as you've said, everyone is indeed different, so ability to recognize what those clues mean in every individual case should be indeed a specific and hard-to-learn skill, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 03:59 PM
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Brute force strategy? Sounds quite unfortunate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 03:19 PM
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I have quite a few female friends. Mostly from university times or from political activism. I rarely actively look for new acquaintances, why force something that is not naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 12:28 PM
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Read a book other than bible you freak
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/21 12:20 PM
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That's the smell of victory
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 09:59 PM
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The most healthy sign
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 09:25 PM
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Interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 09:18 PM
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M, 31, INTJ. Started as blue pilled, of course. After I had been through some shit I inevitably discovered other pills. As for now I think both red, black, and even blue pills has some realistic core ideas, however those idea shouldn't be taken to extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 09:14 PM
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Why are you so sure I was talking specifically about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 05:57 PM
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No, I can mail you a starter kit "How to fuck yourself and stop being a pretentious dick for no reason: for dummies"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 05:37 PM
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Of course every guy is the same. What do you fucking want, a medal of honor?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 05:33 PM
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At least I don't enjoy looking at other men penises while someone's fvcking my wive and also don't pretend to be a biology guru while spreading conspiracy theories
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 05:28 PM
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Can't argue with that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:11 PM
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Let's agree to disagree, there's enough postmodernism for me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:11 PM
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Studies are always useful, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:10 PM
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Being unwanted probably isn't traumatizing but being brutally rejected, humiliated, cheated on etc. definitely is. Also you don't need to hate women to be sceptical towards possible outcomes of romantic relationships. I don't hate them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:09 PM
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Well, "not all women here" lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:01 PM
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Ofc individual life trajectories can be different. But when we talk about red flags we inevitably tend to generalize and to try to find more likely patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 04:01 PM
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People like to believe in good things lol :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:46 PM
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I guess the question here is to what degree is it dynamic. In my experience the core personality traits rarely change unless a person sincerely wants to change them. I know enough old people who are literally believe in the same things they used to believe 40 years ago. That's where all those speculations about N-count come: why should she become loyal wife if she has no problems with changing short-term partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:45 PM
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Not telling them doesn't lead to change either. Then why not just discuss stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:41 PM
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The point is not to change somebody's attraction, the point is to find the truth
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:12 PM
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Popcorn is overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:10 PM
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I'm starting to think this sub is just a bunch of married women who are rather mature, caring, and not shallow (and thus never were single since their early 20's) trying to convince traumatized single guys that vast majority of single women are exactly like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 03:09 PM
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I'll save a permalink to this comment to remind myself there are sane women out there when I feel that humanity is doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 02:52 PM
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Geez, hickey and nails are too much for one night lol. However kudos for giving pointers. As I said in the post, the most difficult part in my experience is not techniques but reading ambiguous non-verbal clues. That's the main "skill" I was talking about. Too many women are very reluctant to articulate what they need.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 02:35 PM
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I get you, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 01:43 PM
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... ten external raters evaluated attractiveness. To this end, at the beginning of speed-dating events, participants were photographed under standardized lighting conditions with the instruction to show a neutral facial expression I'm not sure whether this method is really unquestionable and can be considered an objective metric. Also this: attractiveness is more closely related to men's choices, except in the case of short term mate selection, where men and women view attractiveness equally can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:30 PM
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Probably an unpopular opinion, but honestly I'd love a career woman who's passionate about her job (this thing is crucial). If she's passionate about her job chances are she's less likely to cheat, because her brain is preoccupied with work tasks and not with sexual fantasies about cute coworkers. Let alone so many SAH woman who cheat simply out of boredom. "Devil will find work for idle hands to do" © I like conversations, I like learning things, I like discussing things. If she likes anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:01 PM
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Oh, good point about dislike/like, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:42 AM
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If clear communication is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:39 AM
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I like your optimism, but will we really?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:39 AM
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I guess "selfishness" is a tricky thing. The one thing is exploitative intent, the other thing is when you have no idea what the hell this particular woman is expecting of you and therefore appear "selfish or inattentive". Other commenters made very good points about non-verbal communication, I think the fact that we rely do much on purely non-verbal clues can be stressful for an inexperienced lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:37 AM
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This. Isn't it like obvious that a partner can make both major positive and major negative impact while no partner is "neutral"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:31 AM
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Well, finding G-spot with your fingers, decent orals, maintaining thrusting rhythm, combining deep and shallow thrusts, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:29 AM
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Agree, I'm pretty much the boring man from the OP and "input to the conversation" is pretty much the most fun thing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:24 AM
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That's exactly why you're in a happy stable marriage I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:22 AM
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As a boring man I'm very curious lol. Honestly I always wondered what's so "boring" about stability or introvert stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 11:18 AM
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That's sad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 10:29 AM
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Why not? I like to learn people's arguments
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 10:27 AM
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Social skills are quite good analogy, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 10:24 AM
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As I've specified, correctly reading purely non-verbal cues for the most part. Technical issues for the most part are clearly easier to work on, and basics like importance of oral etc. are, well, basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:16 AM
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Honest answer is I can't possibly remember. I tried it within my three LTRs, more precisely within first two or three months of each. Response was not always clearly negative but always reluctant, so then in both cases I decided to not push my partners' boundaries and tried to "feel what she needs" better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 12:05 AM
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I think techniques themselves (positions, fingering etc) aren't usually the problem. As another commenter mentioned the important part of skills is correctly reading non-verbal clues. Which tend to be ambiguous and individual and since many women rely almost exclusively on non-verbal signals without explicit verbal.communication it may be very tricky thing to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:35 PM
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Wow, that's a very good point. I think it's well-aligned with an idea of economic determinism when commodification of things (and commodification of people as workforce) inevitably "leaks" into other areas of life leading to commodification of humans in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:30 PM
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Interesting, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:11 PM
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Bad memories can be even somewhat nostalgic sometimes lol. Like "Why I stopped dating? Oh, that's why, right" :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 11:01 PM
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a relationship with a good, giving and enthusiastic partner Fair enough, but I, for instance, rarely encountered such partners. I guess one should just be lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:57 PM
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I hope so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:52 PM
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The key word is "to care" I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:49 PM
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Do you mean literally listen? As I've mentioned when I was young I was quite surprised that most women I've been with didn't want to communicate what they need right now even when explicitly asked, they rather expected a man to "feel" it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:47 PM
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As I've mentioned many women consider direct communication "unsexy". A man must "feel" it etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:43 PM
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Sounds reasonable, thank you. I guess "good non-verbal communication" (and being a bit timid as a result) is the most tricky part. I personally didn't have much trouble with other things you've listed, but trying to guess a woman's needs was exhaustive at times. I guess that's usually the issue for men who are unsure of their skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:41 PM
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What you've said sounds perfectly reasonable, but I was surprised in my sexually active years that many women were very reluctant about telling what they want even when explicitly asked. It's usually considered "ruining the mood" for some reason. Also things like foreplay and giving oral are honestly obvious for virtually everybody, aren't they? Most criticism I faced was due to other, quite often counterintuitive things like "I've expected you to take me already without foreplay" or "wrong rhyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:36 PM
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If she's accustomed to it, it might be likely, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:11 PM
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I understand, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:08 PM
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It can be considered "unsexy" or "ruining the mood"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:01 PM
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Why would she subscribe to this scenario with safe words etc? She's just looking for a good time right away. Why should she prefer having an experiment with words and not moving onto next guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:55 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:52 PM
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Their priorities can be backwards, but that's a reality as far as I can judge. People really expect sex to be good since the very beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:46 PM
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Thousands of hours on techniques only. That's like only half of the deal at best. Google and YouTube aren't gonna tell you how to understand whether a woman wants an hour of tender oral of just rough sex without a foreplay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:44 PM
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Do you really think you can insult me by calling me a woman? How old are you, twelve?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:41 PM
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As I've said, it needs quite special conditions to be learned. Can we really equate it with other skills? As for Olympics I guess there's just too much objectively attractive people, their body shapes do the work for them :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:39 PM
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Maybe I overthink to some extent, but I like to analyze things, sorry :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:37 PM
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Why do you think so? I'd say you won't even have a chance to start a LTR if you can't satisfy your partner to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:29 PM
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It's not hard to find women complain about good looking lovers being bad in bed. I guess physical traits are crucial in initial attraction (before sex), but insufficient without skills after an initial stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:22 PM
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As I described that's unusual for virtually all other skills. That's it. I don't argue that it can't be possibly learned, that would be obviously untrue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:05 PM
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Some men definitely have much more extreme demands. It's harder to put into numbers, but that's quite a vocal minority for sure. However most men I personally know are not that picky, most of them have more or less same criteria as me. Maybe it's just a thing of a particular social circle, but judging from what this sub other men tend to have no extreme demands as well. in basically the same league as you? If you mean a conventional definition of "leagues", I don't think that's necessarily the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:03 PM
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If it's not clear, let me copy this: I don't ask for advice for myself, as for now I'm not considering relationships and sex. I also was lucky enough to learn some skills in the past. I urge you to address a general case, if it's possible. Thanks in advance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:55 PM
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I didn't mean it's only me, I meant that's pretty much a must for where I live. But I hope you'll be doing well financially soon. I've been through some shit and can sympathize. Good luck for you two.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:51 PM
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I'm not personally interested as for now. But in general case that is a possibility for some inexperienced men, fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:49 PM
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Can't argue with that. I just find this part y'all have open communication and she tells you what she likes to be quite rare occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:48 PM
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Aside from escorts, the things you've mentioned would work only within an assumption that the girl is willing to cooperate and be patient/considerate enough. I think that's rarely the case. I was quite lucky to learn a bunch of useful techniques and skills, but practically by accident. Just found something that works (either for particular girl or sometimes for most of them). I didn't say it was a product of considerate dialogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:46 PM
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Abortion is still quite a traumatic procedure, both mentally and physically. I know women who had abortions, no one describes it as no bug deal. Unless society would value childlessness as much as it values looks, I can't see how it would become analogous to boob jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:39 PM
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Well, it's good to know there are more accepting circles. If you can sincerely claim that all you female friends who are married to conventionally unattractive men marry them out of genuine attraction, that's remarkable. However, to this days I saw more examples of the opposite situation, not only from my experience but from what other people describe. I’d like to know if you hold your women to the same standards you claim women do Well, ok, when I was dating I was looking for: Loyalty and abili…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:34 PM
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Ah, PUA stuff, I see
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:43 PM
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Your thought experiment shows that women need more than just looks, not that looks isn't often a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:15 PM
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Of course "all types" is clearly too much of a stretch. But the range of different attractive female types is clearly much more inclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:13 PM
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Advocating for betabuxxing, wow, now I've seen everything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:11 PM
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hot guys who totally blew it when they started talking Fair enough less physically appealing men who were confident, funny, and attractive in conversation Attractive as a person? Maybe. Sexually attractive? I've yet to find an example other than "I know a guy who knows a guy". improve your social skills Like what skills exactly? become more charismatic Define "charismatic". If you mean politician-type or a celebrity-type charisma, I would agree, but I doubt achieving it can pass as "any real eff…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 07:10 PM
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They make good money on portraying quite diverse women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:50 PM
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Not a fan of numerical ratings, but (strictly lookswise): 6.5-7 4.5 5 8
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:34 PM
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Hostile Sexism Score: 2.16 Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.09 So as a leftie myself I'd argue :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 06:10 PM
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Yep, I know a couple of things about British class/political relations, however honestly for there I live it's kinda much more typical for poorer districts. Since I had moved into large city to study, quite a few of my female friends here told me about catcalling, grabbing and stuff, but they spoke of it more as accidents, not as general rule. Maybe it's kinda cultural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:49 PM
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I'm not in the UK but I know Tories are cunts :) Other than that I'm really sorry, nobody deserves this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:40 PM
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Ffs is it what reality of the US is? When I was in relationships I used to bring them gifts at least thrice a year, let alone small things like flowers. And I didn't even mind it a bit because that's what a man is supposed to do. Isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:37 PM
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I'm sorry that's your experience. May I ask where (approximately) do you live? Honestly what you've described sounds like really bad area.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:28 PM
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First of all, of course "6-6-6" and stuff like that are just shortcuts. I already specified "strongly prefer" instead of "only go for", and realistically a couple of inches surely are within a margin of error. It also means you can compensate for a lack of some traits with other traits to an extent. Like a well-endowed short guy can even have sort of an advantage over his average-sized taller pals and so on. I also agree that "6 figures" is the most "relaxed" preference and many people are ok wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 04:07 PM
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Maybe he's just sexually attracted to electronics?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:47 PM
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Disney princesses used to ditch a company of birds for Prince Charming, now FDS want Prince to become like a bird, what time to be alive
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:45 PM
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Oh, that one is my favourite
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:43 PM
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The first link I posted takes into account in European data too, including data from predominantly white countries like Austria and Poland. Also I'm not sure how much of a correlation there is between height and dick size. But you might be right. Otherwise I can't argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:33 PM
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I doubt they care that much for the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:30 PM
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Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:28 PM
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You seem to contradict yourself. Is it observably false or are most people shallow? Pick one please. And no, just having any relationships isn't equivalent to "what women are attracted to". Settling for a safe option is a thing. Your example just illustrates this. I can add mine if you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:27 PM
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My criteria in a woman are mostly irrelevant yo this discussion. But speaking of there is a pattern for why you are only meeting women that want those things I judge from women in my social circle in general, not only by women I dated. Common traits for them are higher education (most commonly some humanities/arts degree) and quite normal social life (they can be pretty outgoing or just average, but rarely really shy). Other than that I can't really name common things. For aforementioned circle …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 03:25 PM
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And yes, one woman said she literally used a ruler
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:53 PM
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Well, looking at those comments apparently statistically average dick is a micropenis.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:52 PM
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Good for you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:50 PM
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Mmmm, assumptions :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:49 PM
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Well, then don't have traditional division. I would be 100% content with working partner. In fact I would even prefer it to having a housewife. But alas.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:46 PM
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what happens in real life is in her mid 20's she starts dating a guy in her social circle, then they get married around 30 Isn't it terrifying? Do all those men really have so little dignity that they're absolutely okay to pair up with someone who's extremely likely to cheat on them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:43 PM
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RUN
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:37 PM
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I decided to have some fun and posted several 2015 studies on penile length to one of female-dominated FB groups. Namely https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25487360/ about average length (~5.22 inches) and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/279192722_Women%27s_Preferences_for_Penis_Size_A_New_Research_Method_Using_Selection_among_3D_Models about ideal length (~6.3 inches). As you might've expected ALL comments from women are "that's a lie", "you're kidding", "I've never seen shorter than 6 in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:37 PM
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women say that benevolently sexist men are attractive That statement can be interpreted either as "these men are attractive because their benevolent" or "attractive men are also benevolent". Still no unambiguous causal link, hence no "nuclear blue pill". If this isn't massive white knighting, i don't know what it is Putting a woman before your needs regardless of her quality in everyday life, for instance, not simply saying about hypothetical disaster scenarios or making refined statements about…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:28 PM
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In theory you're absolutely right. I myself used to believe that's the optimal case. However, seems like most women hold different beliefs and expect their partner to do more than his half, at least in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:23 PM
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Interesting objection, thanks. Are there any data on sexual experiences in general (not only in terms of "more partners/less partners", but also "more satisfying/less satisfying" etc)?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:05 PM
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Benevolent Sexism (BS) is the kind of sexism in which a man believes women are saint like and should be cherished Lolwut? Benevolent sexism by definition is for the most part just basic chivalry, not the bs you wrote. Also there is no evidence that quote doesn't misinterpret causation. It might be as well that people who are attractive and engage in sex earlier in life tend to develop more benevolent attitude and not vice versa
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 02:00 PM
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1.) Rephrase it like "most women would strongly prefer 6ft 6pack 6figures and social status at least at initial stages of attraction" and it would be true. 2.) Fair enough, that's why I don't seek women. Any questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 01:56 PM
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Surviving on McDonalds every day or getting ass-raped every day for a steak? A question of your priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 10:48 AM
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Not an unsolvable problem
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:54 AM
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More likely just underclass
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:34 AM
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Can't anymore? Then leave. "Look, look how I don't care, y don't you look?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 09:22 AM
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Quite terrifying, right? Because then a man can provide those things for himself, you must offer him support, loyalty, being considerate, or even, god forbid, love. And that's obviously too much
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 08:27 AM
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The abyss worth looking into until it looks back
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/21 12:22 AM
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Okay, still discrete scale with limited range. Honestly, no offence but that looks like what we call in Russian "a hospital's average body temperature".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 11:15 PM
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Putting aside having to be good looking, as most people are somewhat successful without that. Because they put much effort in other traits and skills Putting aside confidence and socializing as that's more of a life skill than a dating skill. But still a skill that requires much effort. Also in my experience confidence in workplace or in friends circle, for instance, is a different thing that confidence within dating context. Is sex with a woman really genuinely that difficult? Depends on a part…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 11:11 PM
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Damn. All those years learning keyboard, guitar and sax for nothing when I had to learn harp...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 11:05 PM
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I mean going out for a coffee or a brunch and making conversation really isn't heroic effort And I mean forcefully putting yourself out there when you're an introvert, maintaining athletic physique 24/7 when you're not genetically gifted, appearing "confident" even when you're unsure of something, learn to basically read a woman's mind about what she wants in bed right now because 99% of the time she never manages to explicitly tell etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:54 PM
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I'm glad we can agree at last :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:47 PM
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Isn't it wonderful how much of a progress humanity made? Nero had to stick with just a harp, but we now have telescopes and coolers and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:44 PM
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Look, even monkeys go apeshit (pun intended) if they're treated unfairly. Laws exist for the sole reason of not relying on entirely egotistical impulses. Policies are meant to be based on what's beneficial and what's harmful for the society (I know most often it's about 1% of society but still). And you probably don't kill innocent people not only because you don't like being in jail, but because you think it's wrong. I don't care much how you'd name it, "right vs wrong", "good vs bad", "fair vs…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:41 PM
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I specified: things that are almost binary (relationships partners Maybe it was not clear but I was talking solely about OP's methodology
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:30 PM
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People like you would watch the world burn just for amusement
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:29 PM
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I wouldn't even say it's necessarily "hypocritical", just unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:27 PM
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Exactly. That's like hiring somebody who jumped from one unqualified job to another for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:26 PM
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Exactly the same for Russian mail order brides. The first time I saw some Westerner seriously considering them a possibility I was sincerely shocked. Like if you want an obvious gold digger then go ahead, but otherwise it's just insane
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:23 PM
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As if most people weren't pathetic to some extent to begin with
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:20 PM
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I can agree about Plankton, but other parts are just pure blasphemy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:18 PM
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Who cares about right or wrong Any person with a basic sense of ethics?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:17 PM
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Read the OP again please, his methodology only takes # of partners into account
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:14 PM
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"Women are the ones who risk pregnancy and are more susceptible to sexual diseases" And you read this again
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 09:25 PM
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First one definitely. And if that waiter bit is optional, then first one without being bitchy to service stuff would be big yes, without any doubt. We would have so much to discuss. But of course only if all other things are equal
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 09:22 PM
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That's exactly my thoughts
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 07:52 PM
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Then maybe. Would you be really okay to be like someone's tenth option, useful but undesired?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 07:40 PM
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Don't know about average. But if one struggles with dating despite doing well physically and mentally, I'd recommend this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 07:21 PM
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Maybe you're right, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 06:58 PM
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Maybe but it's a bit weird to get a roommate when you're like 60 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 06:25 PM
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This! That's exactly why I stopped having any relationships other than purely platonic friendships. Many men should learn some dignity and never tolerate partners who are not into them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:54 PM
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Do you really expect a discussion here? You just can't meaningfully compare things accumulated by thousands and millions (money) and things that are almost binary (relationships partners if you exclude poly people).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:37 PM
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what you’re saying it makes it sound like men don’t do that. It sounds like they only do these things when they want a relationship? Because if you already had all those things I don’t know why someone would say you need to bring it to the table? As I've explained above, I think it's incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:25 PM
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Notice I don't argue that many women work on themselves, or that men never work on themselves just for themselves and not for getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:42 PM
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They look magnificient, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:37 PM
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Try to find a circle of women who are s little drunk and don't view you as sexual object a bit. You'll hear something like: male physique, dicks in general, dicks of particular men, what men do in bed in general, what particular men do in bed, and, wait a minute, dicks again.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:36 PM
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we don’t bring up the partner specifics You've got very considerate circle of friends, my sincere congrats
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:32 PM
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She made an explicit statement that a guy should be good looking and charming and social and extremely confident in order to spark strong attraction. I doubt anybody would argue that having all those traits together definitely helps, although some women are probably not that picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 04:07 PM
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Yay, black cats gang!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:50 PM
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So many answers here are basically like "support, loyalty, care, honesty". You know like basic human stuff. I know it can sound pathetic, but it's almost breaks my heart to realize so many guys should put enormous effort to get at least a bit of that basic human stuff. And some of them will get none, no matter what they do. We definitely need to teach future generations to be more self-reliant and self-compationate, and in the same time we need to build better communities, better support nets wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:49 PM
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If you mean thus literally it's obviously wrong. I've been on plenty if dates and I'm no Chad by no means. If you mean "get satisfying relationships", that's another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:10 PM
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Honestly if every metric shows lower scores, but a woman constantly discusses dicks and stuff and voluntarily has like four intercourses a day, that's a problem of metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:06 PM
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And he didn't include all the things I mentioned in those 99%
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 03:02 PM
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Sure it is. Women are extremely sexual, all those hilarious platitudes about "lower libido" comes solely from the fact they're more selective. If you ever overheard women talk in private, you know it makes infamous "locker room talk" look puritanical in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 02:57 PM
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For sake of some positivity: cat owners, show me your cats. If you need mine, ok: https://imgur.com/a/O5QB7IY
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 02:54 PM
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You're conflating things here. As you've said, Women work on their looks, personality, career, education, for ourselves Key words are "for ourselves". It's not hard to find women who don't prioritize their looks, ot their career, or their anything. That definitely can worsen quality of their life, but not specifically their dating life. You can find overweight women in happy relationships, unemployed women in happy relationships, school droup-outs in happy relationships. Even all of the above - …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 02:47 PM
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"Women are dumb" is the most dangerous stereotypes a man could ever believe. Never underestimate how smart is someone who can potentially do you harm. Never. And also I personally can't stand discrimination based on immutable characteristics, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 12:34 PM
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As if red pill gurus don't speak in ridiculous overgeneralizations all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 12:32 PM
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If it was the root cause of a situation, we would see female sexual selection to be based on reliability of a partner, his kindness and agreeableness, and stability of his lifestyle. But that's not the case, main criteria are looks, "fun" personality, sexual experience etc. Most of them have nothing to do with whether he'll be responsible enough to prevent unwanted situations, or whether he'd make a caring father. So what you wrote makes little sense, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 12:28 PM
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Depends on what you define by "some kind of male model".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 11:12 AM
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Wow, what unexpected wisdom will you disclose to us silly humans next? That water is wet? That Earth orbits the Sun? Anybody with minimal life experience already knows that good looks is just a basic requirement, often insufficient (without other factors) to acquire anything remotely close to "being loved". More often one needs also to be extremely social animal who is never insecure or even unsure of anything, have a sufficient status, have tons of sexual experience etc. No rocket science. I un…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 11:07 AM
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Women are honestly more romantic than men ... What's the appeal of a man to me? Penis, muscles, sexually aggressive energy Yep, like the very definition of "romantic"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:25 AM
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Very surprising answer, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:23 AM
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I guess it speaks volumes of how dating market is different for men and women. Say what you want about objectification of women, but it's men who are told to bring something on the table, to do more, to offer more, to work on their looks, their personal traits, their income etc. Whereas pretty much every answer here is basically "I am who I am; if he likes me, good for him". And it's not like something is wrong with this approach, that's just sad it's not applicable to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 10:21 AM
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As for now it's practically nothing. You can get support and sense of belonging from your friends circle. Same for shared interests and fun activities. Cohabitation is overrated, it just doubles the amount of domestic work unless a woman is really into cooking and cleaning. Physical touch is nice, but you can live pretty decently without much. Kids are not my priority, at least for now. Validation? I used to think it's probably the main upside of relationships. But turned out a grown ass man can…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 09:34 AM
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Did I ask you to do any work for me? Then what's the deal with bragging about your bf?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 05:32 PM
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Maybe it's because there is no clearly defined "type of people" but a general tendency? I know that thought could ruin your just word fallacies, but try to consider such possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:44 PM
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Yep, I agree. Almost everyone can theoretically get _some_ sex with _somebody_ once in a while, quality relationships are just completely different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:41 PM
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Depends on what you mean by "self improvement" and by "failed". If you mean "basic things like lifting weights and dressing better" and "can't get a decent gf" respectively, than yes, that's my case, although I can't say I improved myself only for girls. But I'm 5'6, that's enough to struggle regardless of other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:37 PM
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I don't feel like it's safe to open up emotionally _because_ I was rejected for it. As were many men. And it's too much of a stretch to early-to-mid-twenties "childhood history". But of course it's much easier to theorize how people you know nothing about were raised instead of admitting that's what men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:25 PM
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It's so amusing how you try to turn psychological concepts into insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 04:10 PM
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I doubt something changes dramatically when it comes to serious LTR. There are plenty of guys who don't mind taller women. I was with 5'9 girl once while being 5'6 myself, it was shitty experience but not because I didn't like her height. Seems like that woman problem isn't her height either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 03:46 PM
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Well, depends on what they mean by "harder time". If a tall woman goes for men who are several inches taller than her (as usually is the case), of course her protential dates sample is smaller and therefore she's more likely to encounter a guy who is into shorter girls. But that's it. "Harder than some other girls" is incomparable with let's say what below-average guys deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 03:38 PM
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You forget to mention that: 1.) For below-average man it not 1%, it's 0.01%, 2.) His "below-averageness" is most likely due to immutable characteristics luke height or penis size, 3.) You don't control for relationship status; you can be theoretically attracted to each other but she's taken = case closed, that alone decimates the sample, 4.) Probability to meet someone who is mutually attracted to you AND single still isn't the same as overall count of such people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:55 PM
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But it's better to be lonely than with a shitty partner. Speaking from experience
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:41 PM
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Simply admitting you're afraid or insecure of something is death sentence. And you're telling us about crying...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:41 PM
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You conflate "understanding" with "maintaining attraction". Your partner can understand you better if you'll speak what's on your mind, but if it's something associated with "weakness", she would still feel less attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:38 PM
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I went out 3-4 nights a week "I'm extremely extroverted, therefore it should work for everyone"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:30 PM
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Say "dopamine is hormone" again. I dare you, I double dare you, say "dopamine is hormone" once again
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:20 PM
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This. Thousand times this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:18 PM
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Wow. Do you really see no difference between "basic sexual patterns" and "sociosexual roles"? Basic neural circuitry doesn't explain not only variation in romantic/sexual behaviour across cultures, let alone conceptions of what traits are considered masculine/feminine. It don't explain even things like why you're probably don't have an instant erection when you see your sister even if she's pretty. Or greek homosexuality. What a surprising reductionism from someone who's supposedly an expert in …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:18 PM
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The truth is for most people sexual attraction is the necessary part of romantic interest. Deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:01 PM
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Because these templates are way let's strict than diagnostic criteria for Cluster B. Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 12:06 PM
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Oh, extremities again. What's the percentage of people who are diagnosed with Cluster B? And how many "bad boys" or "crazy bitches" are there? My ex was diagnosed with BPD but if it wasn't for suicidal attempts and extreme mood swings, she would pass as quite ordinary neurotypical selfish girl. So no, it's not like there are specific narrow types, who attract only each other. People with, let's put it this way, questionable traits come in different packages and sometimes end up with different ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:49 AM
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Ok then, the unwritten code of LTR is that you don't cheat. But then a women cheat, it's her man's fault and she's greeted by "you go girl". Apparently practical rules has nothing to do with such unwritten codes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:33 AM
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Wow, when a woman finds out a guy has smaller dick, all of a her girl friends are warned about it in a blink of an eye. But for assholes you suddenly need a "Chad database".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:28 AM
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Why? Every time a guy complains about being wronged by a woman, he's told he should've known better, even if reg flags were less only than in this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:26 AM
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Broken clock still shows right time once every 12 hrs
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:09 AM
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What the hell are you talking about? What does your rant about trying for a hookup have to do with hookup app being branded as dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:04 PM
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An eye for an eye, not an eye for nothing just because. I honestly can't grasp the idea of being arrogant to a woman who's nice to me just to turn her on.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 10:01 PM
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I thought it was called a dating app And guinea pig is called "pig". However it doesn't make it an actual pig.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:59 PM
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I guess the most honest answer would be "it depends". You shouldn't look for too long to find examples of men interested primarily in long term monogamy, as well as those who don't want to commit at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:58 PM
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Dude, I said it already and I say it again: it's the question of priorities. If your main concern is whether society view you as successful, then go ahead. I've grown to become more concerned about whether I'm content with myself. I wouldn't respect myself if I did something against my core beliefs, which includes treating people worse than they treat me. Yep, it could be more beneficial in short term, but I wouldn't respect myself. That's what I find more mature. There always be people who desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:22 PM
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So what? What are you trying to disprove? We already know that "rape fantasy" usually doesn't mean she expects you to suddenly mount her, injure her and penetrate her without her consent. No breaking news. It doesn't change a bit that those fantasies revolve around power play (giving up control etc.) and are masochistic at the core (at least in Freudian sense). Many men, myself included, find it gross, that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:47 PM
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It's not exactly that she "deserves". She just should consider such treatment among possible outcomes. No one deserves to be robbed, for example, but if you walk through a bad neighborhood at night, you should expect robbery to be likely happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:37 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:36 PM
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What's the question? She met a guy who clearly wanted just a meaningless fling. Using the app designed for people who seek meaningless sex. She got exactly this. I doubt he explicitly promised that he will treat her with respect. I doubt there is some unwritten code of hook-ups either. If she wanted a respectful man, maybe she shouldn't disregard all the red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:35 PM
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Because unless you're really content with being cold-blooded, it's immature to intentionally treat people bad just because you dissatisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:09 PM
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I understand, of course. Sometimes people just want a sugar pill, sometimes they need honesty, it's confusing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:13 PM
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Are there studies with anova, or is it just an estimate? Just curious
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:04 PM
1

Good for you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 09:16 AM
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If that's your point, I can't argue. Some women definitely like being treated like shit, some others can tolerate it if the guy is very attractive, but most of them definitely should be at least somewhat normal :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:39 AM
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Man, you prioritize your desires and "coming first", I prioritize my integrity. That's nothing fantasy about it, you just choose to compromise your morals, I choose not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:37 AM
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I'm surprised that I agree completely with you here, but I agree completely. Ethics should always come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:31 AM
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I never found that treating others in my life well caused me any difficulty in dating specifically Notice: you said the idea that genuinely kind people struggle , not "the idea that kind people struggle because they're kind. Two very different statements. Of course most women would prefer a kind partner all other things being equal. It doesn't imply that kindness somehow automatically makes you desirable if you lack other necessary traits. And that means exactly that some genuinely kind people D…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:28 AM
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Sorry what? First if all, general dating preferences change all the time, I provided plenty of examples in other comment sections. And on the other hand quite a few of typical problems have little to do with "masculinity issue", don't shift blame for everything on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:21 AM
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I don't think that TRP communities pass as "a society". But the whole idea of "if being nice doesn't work for me, I gonna do the opposite" is childish but understandable. I can totally see a man can do it even if he doesn't know about TRP at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:17 AM
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I worked extremely hard to compensate for this the idea that genuinely kind people struggle when it comes to dating/relationships is lunacy Don't you find these two statements contradictory? Like "a necessity to work extremely hard against the situation" is almost a definition of "struggle"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:12 AM
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Better to be Al Bundy than Ted Bundy
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:08 AM
1

Agreed aside this: you can find the exception who does like you as you are Maybe you can, maybe you can't. Depends on probability
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:07 AM
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Quite good advice, although (1) it's a stretch to equate "silly" with "who you are", (2) it's incomplete since it completely disregard things other than personality, and those things often matter more.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:03 AM
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That's exactly why for many men the best option is to stop dating and forget about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:59 AM
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Let me guess, you must be conventionally physically attractive and an extravert, and thys completely unaware of your privilege. Otherwise it would be obvious for you that actual lunacy is to think that genuinely kind people always have jt good and just need to "express themselves freely".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:59 AM
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When a person you trust gives you advice that makes you harm, you start to doubt either if they're worthy of trust, or indeed your own sanity
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:53 AM
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being yourself Will work with the right person True in theory, but how many people actually meet the right person? As I used to said for most people it's not about finding a Prince, it's about choosing the best toad. 'simps' get the girl a lot I'm very confused with that statement. Can you provide any examples? Because simping IMO is not just being nice and give a girl a compliment once in a while, it's literally about making yourself a doormat
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:04 AM
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You know nothing about what I can't handle and what I can. But I'm definitely have no respect to people who think spending days degrading and/or gaslighting people can pass as a "debate".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:51 AM
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Fair enough but what does it have to do with power imbalance? Experience = power? Reality begs to differ; a young white upper-middle class dude working white collar job is undoubtedly more powerful than middle aged black janitor. You also haven't adressed my second point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:26 AM
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Well, I've run through some of your comments, and I must admit you're right, at least about yourself. I apologize. Actually you treat both genders like crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 02:21 AM
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So you assume (1) that any older man is more powerful that any younger one by default, (2) that any guy is automatically has enough context and experience regardless if his age and life circumstances. Am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:14 AM
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Then why double standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:46 AM
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Should I find examples or you're already decided what you assume to be true?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:45 AM
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Should I look for every comment in every thread now? Find it yourself. Or I can notify you when I see one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:31 AM
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It's not productive in the long term, but I guess everyone has every right to grieve for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:20 AM
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Kinda that. Had I known in my teens what dating market has to offer me, I'd gave up dating and sex much earlier. But still once I gave up, life became easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:18 AM
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Oh, my favourite part again: a young girl falling for an older man is "manipulated" but a young man falling for a narcissistic girl "should've known better".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:09 AM
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Sure they do. I agree with your proposition, but as for now I'm afraid the most extreme places surprisingly seem to be the most accepting as well. I'd like to see more civil analogues, but they are yet to find.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 12:06 AM
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Men who are already bitter and cynical do, of course. Men who are not yet, more often tend to empathize. You don't assume that all men are accurately represented by a bunch of dissatisfied dudes on this sub, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:16 PM
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Sorry, I must admit we are sometimes cynical or sarcastic. I know it doesn't help much :). But again to emphasize my point, maybe if I (for instance) wasn't told all my formative years that "personality trumps looks" only to be explicitly told by my ex that "she wants to fvck a tall handsome guy and not me" and then constantly told by other that's not a big deal, I wasn't that inclined to view people with a bit of frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:14 PM
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Interesting question.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:48 PM
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Sounds fair
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:46 PM
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Brilliantly put, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:30 PM
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Of course every anonymous guy on the internet is going to find your location and beat the shit out of you. The only way to avoid that disadvantage is to tell him he should man up and shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:24 PM
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If you want to make it useful, first you acknowledge the hardness of a situation, then you encourage to take ownership. If you skip the first part, all you get will be resentment towards you. It works thar way in any area of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:22 PM
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The best mainstream society can offer is sugarcoating it like "looks matter but personality trump looks". The appeal of TRP comes from its brutal honesty. As much as I'm annoyed with RP overgeneralizations and really shitty advice ("just become dark triad alpha to pump and dump chicks" as if everybody's eager to change my personality for meaningless sex) or presenting platitudes as a revelation ("lift weights and be more confident", my ass), I'm the first to admit it's core ideas are better alig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:19 PM
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TRP just offers usually bad advice but often not bad explanation (sadly oversimplified explanation, but not bad if taken with a grain of salt).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:06 PM
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Unless they really mean what they say about "totally getting a girl", of course :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:02 PM
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Pretty much, yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:00 PM
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Good analogy, thank you. However, for example, Black people did pretty good job with getting Whites accustomed to their anger and frustration (see Franz Fanon, Huey Newton etc). Maybe men should do it too lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:49 PM
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Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they get girls but only shitty ones. Speaking from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:37 PM
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You know people get emotional when they hurt. Of course some of them could be bitter or angry simply because they're processing frustration or even trauma. It might not be plausible, but it is understandable. Let's be honest, you can hear women after breakup tell things like "He dumped me, I'm done with men, they're all pigs" all the time. Most people don't take it personally, they know it's just a stage of processing grief. Why it should be different in men? You aren't obligated to shower every…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:35 PM
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you can’t see people’s whole faces and fully assess their attractiveness Video call before a date. Problem solved. you may not know someone is giving you a smile Smile obvious most of the time; if it's genuine then it shows of in the facial expression. Honestly I never had a problem with recognizing non verbal clues for the last year. how all the women on OLD are old, fat, single moms Obviously not true. I want to use OLD because right now it’s hard to meet men otherwise Also not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:25 PM
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Women (and some men) of this sub definitely make it clearer why manosphere communities are so toxic. Imagine a young guy tells e. g. that he struggles with dating, girls vet him for his appearance, and when he finally got a gf, he cheated on him and dumped him despite him being nice and caring. Now he's sad and wonders if he can trust a woman again. I always thought that appropriate answer to this would be something like "That sucks man, it's not completely your fault, life is unfair sometimes, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 08:41 PM
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maintaining a degree of forgiveness for oddities and shortcomings that are harmless; in short, you have to compromise You described basically a saint by modern standards
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:42 PM
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That's exactly why more people should be OK with being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:36 PM
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If I could upvote it a hundred times, I would
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:29 PM
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Absolutely. It should be common knowledge
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:28 PM
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As common as red pill, I guess. How often do you see parents teaching their children that cheating and gold digging is really widespread and not something extraordinary? Maybe some do, but I was raised with an implicit assumption that there are some specific types of fallen women, but overall majority are good and loyal and caring and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:25 PM
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It's not necessarily "securing" or "making it top priority". It's just setting priorities. As a general rule you get better at things you put time and effort in. If you put much time and effort in education, you're likely to get good grades. If you put time and effort in playing an instrument, you're likely to get better at music. By this rule if you want to understand what is good for you in LTR, you should put at least some reasonable effort in sustaining LTR. And if you put your time in just …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:19 PM
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Wait, we were talking about romantic/sexual/marriage context, but now you're talking about workplace, female friendships and raising children. I'd agree with "if a husband cheats it's your fault", but it's clearly more of a thing for older generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:05 PM
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Now tell a person who is diagnosed with cancer, or was robbed, or lost a family in an accident that's no point in being frustrated at something he/she has zero control over
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 06:00 PM
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Thank you for reminding me that people like you are exactly the reason why I stopped dating and went monk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:50 PM
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What the hell are you talking about? Like seriously? Stop gaslighting
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:14 PM
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Good point
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:10 PM
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Come on. They decapitated some ruling class bastards in 1792-1794 and that's it. Englishmen did pretty much the same in 1640's. The last revolution French had was in 1871. Since then there were Russian revolutions, German November Revolution and a bunch of subsequent uprisings, Spanish Revolution of 1931 and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:08 PM
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How on earth is MGTOW mysoginistic? It's just avoiding romantic involvement with women
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:03 PM
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I am, and I'm very confused with what narratives about bad women you're talking about. Examples, please
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 05:02 PM
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Well, black pill as obvious counterexample
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 04:51 PM
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Seven, all of them divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 04:44 PM
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Why only French?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 04:42 PM
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This definition is debatable at best
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 04:13 PM
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Well, if you define "hate women" as "don't agree with everything women say" than yes, I guess. I don't label myself with color of pill, however red and black pill onviously have reasonable core ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 04:01 PM
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I guess they care, but "acceptable n-count frame" is different. Nobody wants a man-whore, but most women don't want an inexperienced liver either. While a female version is okay, lower threshold for men is probably at least a couple of partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:21 PM
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Why should we care?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:10 PM
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What's the obsession with killing bugs? Aside from wasps, flies, mosquitoes and cockroaches they're mostly harmless, just catch em and take em outside, you hemolymph-thirsty monsters
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 12:53 PM
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First, being genuine friends and orbiting are quite different things. Second, "a good woman" by no means equals "ready to accept any desperate unattractive boy"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 11:32 AM
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Why? Isley Brothers are better than any mainstream music made in last 20 years
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:38 AM
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But why it's a negative example either? People who are valuable as partners are mostly taken by mid-20's. Rest can be better off not torturing each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 10:32 AM
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And thank you for the kind words. However, I don't know if I'm representative of the sub's general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 09:43 AM
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Seems like that's usually the case
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 01:39 AM
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1.) "All women being leeches and harpies" in the strict sense is obviously untrue, of course. Take statements like this with a grain of salt. Extremities aside, such phrases usually mean one of the following options. Either that when you start a new relationship, it's safer to assume a woman is capable in principle of doing you harm. She may harm you, or she may not, you never know in the very beginning. In other words, you don't automatically assume that women you meet are benevolent angels by …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/21 12:54 AM
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Brilliant. A bit depressing, because by this logic it's safe to assume that majority of non-promiscuous women must be in relationships most of the time (with exceptions of widows and just unlucky ones). But nonetheless brilliant. Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:53 PM
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What wisdom you're gonna tell me next? Water is wet? Earth orbiting the Sun? Nobody speaks about "monolith", I'm sick and tired of this "argument". We're speaking about trends. Trends, more or less prevalent tendencies, is it that hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 12:25 PM
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Learn to read what's written. Neither I claimed to be a feminist, nor I identify as a part of TRP community.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:32 AM
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And what next? Get a match and wear it like a badge if honor? On a date she'll see real you anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:27 AM
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Unfortunately true to an extent
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:21 AM
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I like how you're allowed to make assumptions and I don't. I have whatever friends I want. I don't judge friends by shape of genitalia, surprise. And I've read enough feminist literature to recognize structural problems that women face and, surprise again, feel sympathy for them. The fact that dynamics unfortunately seem to change when romantic/sexual tension is at stakes doesn't change a person potential to be a good friend a bit. But what strikes me most is "who I think deserve it". Wow, those…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:19 AM
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You're generous towards moms
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:11 AM
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You deserve a cookie I guess? I don't care what color of pill it is (it seems like you're so quick to assume things about people you know nothing about). I was there myself, and I saw other men struggling. When any sign of weakness was used against you. If you're that rare unicorn which is "not like that", congrats to your man. Many men's experience is opposite and personal anecdotes and pretentious speculations about psychology not going to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:03 AM
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FFS what? You were so empathetic, but reading a bunch of angry posts made you change the core of your personality? What a wonderful person you are. I can't even. I was wronged by women enough and I distrust women romantically, and I'm not an EQ champion, but still if my female friend is struggling I'll be there for her. Seems like your "natural empathy" was superficial at best and nonexistent to begin with at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:00 AM
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Good friends and good therapy. Worked out for me
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 10:50 AM
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It it was just dudes who can't get laid, it was honestly almost alright. But it's just any sign of weakness honestly. Ever heard "insecure" being used as an insult? Unsure? Be assertive, make a decision already. Afraid? Man up. Frustrated? Don't be a wuss. And so on, and so forth. I'm not talking about grown ass men crying like a little baby over any minor inconvenience ofc, but basically any negative emotion other then anger and grief should be dealt with on your own when you're a man. However,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 07:52 AM
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Touché
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:52 AM
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If we're playing stereotypes here, at least our wives are not fat, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:37 AM
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Loyalty, basic empathy and at least some enthusiasm for sex. I can cook and clean and provide myself, if it's the issue, and I don't require some unusual sexual mastery, but I'd never can tolerate a hoe and I don't see any value in marrying someone who isn't into me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:28 AM
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Surprisingly, most of the times Nazis as well. WWII holds a special spot in mass consciousness, after all we were practically decimated (22 million casualties 1941-1945) but managed to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:22 AM
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As far as I know it's not the safest lake to sail, but not the most difficult too. There should be seasonal winds but all are probably under 6 on Beaufort scale
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:19 AM
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We're left to deal with ordinary wives, sorry
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 01:17 AM
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Ask drunk Russian anything if you want to
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 11:38 PM
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Yep. As I've mentioned before, the desire for more prevents us from compromising, which is the basic part of healthy LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 11:38 PM
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Exactly. For instance, if all a girl sees in popular culture from infancy to adulthood is depiction of 6 ft tall bodybuilder-type bad boys as only romantic protagonist, of course she's gonna associate romantic attraction with them. Feminist seem to understand these with their critique of female role models in pop-culture (thin and submissive), so men can definitely learn from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/21 05:26 PM
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Come on, she's cute at least. I don't like numerical ratings, but if it's needed she's 7/10, maybe even 8/10 if you're generous. If some guy downplays it in order to make yourself feel better, it doesn't mean much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:38 PM
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Well, for thousands of year most people lived in cooperative communities, up until last 100-200 years. Maybe we're not just supposed to be this way
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 08:31 PM
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That's exactly why modern individualism is poisonous for the society
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:18 PM
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Food delivery is a thing for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 07:16 PM
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Protectionism isn't a solution for income inequality, it's temporary palliative measure
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:29 PM
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Wow. And then I said that maybe we should teach boys that sex isn't that important, most answers were "bUt It'S a BaSiC nEeD!!!11"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:28 PM
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Communist system isn't implying "no reward for merit". It just "no one stripped from necessities".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:24 PM
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Also I'm shocked with all that responses like "but you can't redistribute attraction". Don't know about "redistribute", but society certainly can change what is considered attractive. That's common fcking knowledge. Rubens' thick girls, early 1900's paleness, Palaung long necks, Chinese lotus feet. It works with men to an extent too. Masculine chiseled faces? Korean feminine boys are doing OK. Same with other features. Maybe only universals are preferences for height and facial symmetry. It work…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 06:00 PM
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That's debatable. It's well known how beauty standards for women changed across centuries and cultures
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 05:33 PM
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That's exactly why I find it amusing that many men here are right leaning
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:34 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:32 PM
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The only things you should ask yourself: are you a real man in your eyes. Constructed image of an alpha can get you a girl but won't make you happy if it doesn't fit who you are. It may sound like a platitude but it is 100% true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:33 PM
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No she might only make it worse
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:30 PM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 12:27 PM
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Dude, don't overtrain
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:14 AM
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I never forget about Bradbury. The first thing I think of in the morning is Bradbury. Bradbury is inevitable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:12 AM
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Given all mentions of 6-figure salaries, I try to figure out (no pun intended) what 6-figures actually mean in practice, i. e. to realistically compare costs of living in the US to Russia. It raises some questions. First of all, when someone mentions let's say $120k do they mean before or after taxes? Second, there is probably income inequality across different cities and states. Are $120k a good income everywhere or is it like top-5% in let's say Des Moines but pretty meh in San Francisco? Seco…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:11 AM
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Huxley was closer
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 10:51 AM
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I didn't know there's slave trade going on in New Zealand
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:51 AM
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I personally probably wouldn't give a damn as long as a girl's other traits are okay
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:49 AM
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Hilarious analogy, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 09:34 AM
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"Likeable" is a very tricky word, but I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:25 PM
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Surprisingly the middle ground between these two would probably pretty accurately describe how it is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:21 PM
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Not wording alone but also overgeneralizations to an extreme and inability to grasp nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:15 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:21 PM
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I have no idea what your age is. I wrote about late 20's to early 30's ("older" as in "older than early 20's"). I've known quite a few women who married/were engaged at that age. A couple of them were clearly not completely over their exes romantically but valued their fiancée's reliability enough to settle. Two isn't many, but it isn't nothing either. After all I explicitly stated that I don't believe that settling is common, I just stated that some women do this, even if they're in minority
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:32 PM
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Abortion is illegal You basically disclosed your location
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:17 PM
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Same across all the Eastern Europe I assume
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:14 PM
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A cultural thing maybe
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:13 PM
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Well, then I must play obvious Danny Devito card
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:12 PM
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I literally said: please explain why so many women go for it Then you interpreted it like you presume they are representative of the entire female population Sorry but that's just not my point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:10 PM
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Technically there might be true. When you've got a sample of 8 billion items, almost anything might be true. Though in practice it means nothing. How many people usual person gets to know in his/her lifetime? Hundreds, maybe thousands if he/she is very social. Probability of the proverbial Someone to be in this sample is practically zero. Most people who found a good partner didn't find The One, their found a person who is reasonably compatible with them. That's why distributions of sexual/roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:54 PM
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Steve Buscemi
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:04 PM
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And that's the point that is the most questionable. I'm not sure whether it is "most women", let alone "vast majority". Not an absolute minority, sure, but nor necessarily majority either. In this very sub most women explicitly said that they value sexual attraction in the first place even if other factors are important for them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:58 AM
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So I apologize just in case :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:22 AM
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Oh ffs both sides throw that meaningless "high value" label as there one overall value metric. That's ridiculous. Relationships are complex matter and associated roles generated different kinds of value. There's value as a sexual partner, which mostly depends on superficial characteristics (both physical and behavioural) and sexual skills because sexuality is mostly subconscious. There is value as a romantic/emotional partner, which includes reliability, loyalty, ability to communicate etc. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:20 AM
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I know but frankly speaking I've never met a Tuvan or Altai person neither IRL nor online, so that's what csne to mind first. Sorry if I'm wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:54 AM
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Biden is laughing stock. Trump is laughing stock. American politics in general is a dysfunctional crossover between laughing stock and pure greedy evil. Russian politics is the same crossover as well. European politics mostly too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:49 AM
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If you think Russians didn't laugh at Trump, you're mistaken
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:47 AM
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I've just misread the title again as "Chad Megathread". Please help
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:45 AM
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Maybe for some people it's the opposite, I don't know, depends on personality. I like to question things :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:41 AM
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I'd say rather rural/small-town mentality. Don't take it as an offence, please, I myself was raised in a small town. And since you mentioned somewhere your family came from Buddhist background, I assume you're most likely of Buryat descent. From what I know most Buryats in towns/cities are second or third generation urban residents. Thus they tend to put more value into family, traditions, collectivism etc. Many small-town folks, even Russians, think similarly. But Moscow or Peter or other big c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:40 AM
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Absolutely nothing. Just as I've mentioned, I know how it works. So it makes me a bad client since I basically can predict what a therapist would say and come with a preconceived rationalization why I should doubt it. It would simply make therapy ineffective. If you don't dive that deep in a nitty-gritty of therapeutic techniques, CBT may work perfectly for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:32 AM
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Because I was young and stupid and extremely blue pilled. And after all, it was only for a year and a half from the first date to the break up, so I might've done worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:27 AM
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From what you said looks exactly like my social circle. Yet I know literally only three couples who are 25-40 y. o. and managed to maintained reasonably happy relationships for 5+ years. So there are definitely other factors at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:26 AM
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Transference-focused therapy. Basically psychoanalysis with more nuance and more empathy :). I'd go for CBT, but unfortunately I know too much about how it works, my first ex was a postdoc who worked within CBT approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:24 AM
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And you miss the key point, which is to learn what you say. The things you mention seem to be obvious and logical but for many men they're not. There is a saying in Russian: "tell a man a thousand times that he's a pig and he'll start to oink". The cultural environment within most men are raised is mostly blue pilled, and teaches imperatives like "just be a kind person, personality matters most, most women are innocent and naturally caring etc". The irony is in the very specific case that's all …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:17 AM
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Well, maybe it's somewhat a geographic/demographic thing too. After all I'm Russian, we do drink socially
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:43 AM
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most people who have deep dating issues need therapy That's correct. have ... communication issues And that's not always the case unless you mean can't find literally anyone, not can't find a suitable partner. If you mean the latter then feel free to take me as a counterexample :) Therapy helped me a lot btw, but it helped me in a way I became able to finally accept myself and stop giving a fuck what others think. It was huge load off my chest. But it hadn't almost anything to do with my communi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:41 AM
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Good for you and your friends, but don't assume that's really representative of general population. Divorce rates alone speak for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:35 AM
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Why specify sober mindset? A choice of a lifestyle which includes using substances which can make you easier is still a choice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:34 AM
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It's quite ironic you point out what I presume, but presume a lot about me. I never said that every single woman has lots of casual sex. Neither did I say I'm missing out because if that (I was always into LTR). All I've said was many women have casual relationships at least at some point. Maybe they're in minority, but let's say 10% of 10 millions is still a million. They can't be disregarded as extraordinary rare and improbable to meet. If OP happened to know a handful of them, it's not hard t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:32 AM
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Well, what passes as "a lot". I really can't realistically estimate whether it is like 20% or 40% or 60%. My point is it's not an invisible minority you'll almost never encounter in your life. Maybe a minority, but a sizably one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:25 AM
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we're both okay with working on relationships You clearly don't have an idea how rare it is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:19 AM
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So basically normies stick with normies and think that everyone is normie. Sorry but that's the definition of privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:17 AM
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Well, then you need to ghost because I'd say 95 out of 100 women do put emphasis on height and/or status, and that's what men usually to learn since it's that ubiquitous
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:03 AM
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There were quite a few actions which made me doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:55 AM
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I'm not quite sure. As I mentioned in the thread below, seems like maybe not most, but many people are open to one offs or fwb at least at some point of their lives. As for experience, I guess you're right. However, I don't think it's that closely tied to age alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:06 AM
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I mean the whole dramatic backstory. Discussions here rarely go that personal
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:56 AM
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Well, then that's interesting. But, as I said, I don't think AF/BB is really as ubiquitous as some TRP'ers claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:55 AM
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First, she did an excellent job with pretty consistently hurting my feelings for months (and at least in some cases obviously knowingly so). Second, he was quite exploitative to her friends too. So I assume it was just she didn't wanna lose the comfortable and stable background until she finds other options
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:52 AM
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There are probably no two people who are completely compatible in everything. Usually you need to set your priorities, so compatibility here is always a relative concept. Assortative mating sounds more precise.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:48 AM
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But I guess your social circle is quite young, like mid-20's at most. People at that age usually don't think so much about future prospects. I don't think AF/BB in the strictest sense is remotely as common as some imagine, but older women really seem to sometimes settle for a safer options (not necessarily in purely financial sense).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:45 AM
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I think I missed something intriguing, amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:42 AM
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I think the purpose of a debate is to become closer to the truth. But OK, then I'd be direct: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/otrpkc/comment/h6xir24/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:38 AM
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Not necessarily sugar baby/daddy. I don't think AF/BB in the most literal sense is a common thing, simply because there are always plenty of men who don't make that much money. However, it can translate to other things like domestic or emotional labour. For instance, in my last LTR I was basically a provider, but at that point I had just an average salary. However, when we broke up, after months of torture, it was explicitly said to my face "I [the girl] was reluctant to break up earlier because…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:28 AM
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Should I provide a counterexample, or you just want to tell about your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:20 AM
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As a commie myself I'd like to see men learning from women in those aspects. There's time to compete and there's time to cooperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:35 AM
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It's not like having high expectations is necessarily wrong. Sometimes it's quite the opposite. The thing is expectations for what. As I've said, choosing such a lifestyle most likely won't make her a good judge on whether a guy is a husband material. You learn things you invest time and effort into. Like I do math for a living, thus I'm qualified to assess statements about probabilities and statistics. I play music for quite a long time, thus I can judge whether an instumentalist is legit. I ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:18 AM
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You know, let's give this claim a benefit of a doubt. Maybe it's true. But only if you assume that "unattractive" for women means literally deformed or having like 150 extra pounds whereas for men it means just to look a bit timid or be below 5'8 or so. Then your statement will probably work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:48 AM
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From my experience. From what my female friends tell when they're a little drunk. From what women post online about their experiences and what they find sexually attractive. From research data on average # of partners in young females (25 y.o. women clearly can't possibly be in more than 5 or 6 LTR by her age, so any number higher than that indicates at least openness to casual encounters). From research data of what women generally find attractive (a reasonable amount of women seem to be into t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:41 AM
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It's not like no men ever tried. Men are just not used to it, we were raised to compete, not cooperate. Changing that takes time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:26 AM
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On systemic level it isn't. There's nobody to help men out of harmful patterns other than men themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:23 AM
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No, it sounds like "I listen to every kind of music and most of it uses the same 12 notes, is in 4/4 and is based on tonal patterns".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:05 AM
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Well, where's the twist?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:55 AM
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And technically 5'5" guy is taller than you even if he's below average. How does your height disprove my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:52 AM
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Then please explain why so many women go for it if they don't enjoy it a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 01:51 AM
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I guess you're right in general. Although there obviously are individual differences in how women express their desire, there's clearly a trend: the more a woman wants a man, the more active she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:45 PM
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Where did I say "women bad"? I just want both genders to be held up to same standards. If women are allowed to vent their disappointment, so are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:27 PM
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There is anecdotal evidence for almost any claim one can make. For every "he had a good personality" there are tons of examples where personality mattered next to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:14 PM
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The vast majority of young women nowadays have an active Instagram account
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:11 PM
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No need to talk, women write about it excessively
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:08 PM
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That's what? Many girls explicitly say what I wrote about heels.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:04 PM
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Are your standards even higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:01 PM
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It's quite rare for guys to find taller gal the most attractive. It doesn't mean they filter taller girls out. Female height is almost never a deal breaker. If she's nice most guys would never mind her being taller at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:00 PM
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It isn't "taller than me", it's "at the very least taller than me in heels + a couple of inches". A 5'5" guy, for example, should go for literally midgets to meet this criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:58 PM
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Oh here we go again. "Shorter than you" still want at least average height in males.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:56 PM
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That's often the case, but since when fantasies are rooted in real life? A sadistic multimillionaire going crazy about an average looking intern isn't remotely realistic either, yet 50 Shades still managed to sell shitloads of copies
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:49 PM
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I think there's a feedback look to an extent. Probably almost nobody wants a man-whore, but it seems like being reasonably in demand on sexual market adds some points. Like an attractive guy gets attention, and then attention he gets emphasizes his attractiveness. I bet if you see a handsome guy who rarely gets laid, you'll probably assume there's something wrong with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:46 PM
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Nope. That's why female fantasies are all about bad boy who slept around suddenly settling for her. There are no romance stories about a monk or a widower aside from maybe Jane Eyre.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:42 PM
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I think your post pretty much speaks for itself: allow her to build her expectations and help her make the list of deal breakers This is right. in order to correctly vet for a good husband And this is wrong. Unless you assuming that a "good husband" means "smoking hot sexual machine" and nothing else. With which most would strongly disagree. Most will agree that "good husband" is a set of personality traits and skills first. These traits and skills can be reasonable assessed only within context …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:39 PM
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OkCupid data didn't show that. It showed than men message 8's more because they can. It poorly translates into real life experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 08:07 PM
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As a side note I start to notice that all those complaints like "but men send messages to hottest chicks" or "but men call most women average" miss the point. If man naively thinks he can possibly get lucky with a 8 or 9, of course he'll send her a message. But it doesn't mean he won't go for a 7 or 6. Attractiveness ratings for men usually mean "a 6 is good enough, but all things being equal I'd prefer a 9", while for women it's more like "I'd never go for anybody less than an 8".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:56 PM
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But the self-defeatism ... prevent them from developing qualities women find attractive in the opposite sex (e.g., confidence, assertiveness, playfulness, etc.) Because it doesn't work that way. It's not that there is unlimited tradeoff between confidence and looks. You need meet at least minimal standards for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:36 PM
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Exactly, thanks for articulating
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:17 PM
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There are filters and photoshop at play, I don't think it's really that representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:14 PM
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That's not what general assumptions are made for Jim might expect a minimum of 60 Attractiveness, 40 Social Status, 30 Career to be attracted to someone. Larry expects at least 40 Attractiveness, 20 Social Status, 10 Career So if the general population in your area is 95% like Jim and 5% like Larry, you better aim for Jim's requirements because chances are you might not meet a Larry-like even once. The question isn't whether people have different views, tastes and standards, they obviously have …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:09 PM
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Oh poor women hopping from one Chad's dick to another Chad's dick just in hope of finding true love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 07:00 PM
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And I don't. Since there's no statistical evidence, I'd better believe my eyes before I believe a anonymous opinion from the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:56 PM
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You deserve a cookie I guess? Or what? The reality is you can see plenty of couples every day where a woman looks nothing like instagram models while a man is handsome. You can see plenty of couples on which a woman is overweight or, let's put it that way, facially challenged, while a man is OK at least. Good luck finding a couple in which a guy is challenged but a woman is average, let alone beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:51 PM
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Sounds right except for she doesn't filter out fuckboys, she goes for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:45 PM
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Yeah, "beautiful" as in women's "you're beautiful" comments under literally every girl's every photo on social media
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:39 PM
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People don't usually wear a giant sign "I'll give you a good orgasm". People go for who they find attractive, then find out whether sex is good. A girl meets a guy, he makes her feel head over heels for him, then fucks her, then disappears. Quite a common pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:32 PM
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And what would change if he wanted commitment? If a woman makes you wait for sex it most likely means she just not that interested in sex with you in the first place. By the second or third date it's usually clear enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:29 PM
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The fact they aren't interested doesn't change the fact they could be pumped and dumped. They just hope for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:24 PM
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I doubt there are the stats. However, I can see the logic in OP post. To whom a woman is most likely to give the best sex? To a man who arouses her the most. With whom she is most likely to have sex sooner? Again with a man who arouses her the most. And a man who is exciting to many women is much less likely to settle for just one, at least when he's young. He may as well go for casual sex. Thus chances are a woman indeed gives her best for casual encounters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 06:21 PM
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> Which always factors in Depends on what a woman is looking for. > You don't need a lot more than a couple hundred people to get the idea of a trend If the sample is representative. I'm not sure whether speed dating demographics is representative of general population, whereas OLD is basically the new normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:35 PM
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Well, as for the first link just from the abstract of the first link: > Our design allows us to directly observe individual decisions rather than just final matches. So, not a single word about "rating attractiveness". Women's decisions in this setting is obviously influenced by other factors, e. g. whether men seems reliable. Futhermore, > male selectivity is invariant to group size, while female selectivity is strongly increasing in group size which again is a hint that selection was based not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:26 PM
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"If we like a guy we act like we don't like a guy" What a perfect flawless logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:17 PM
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Maybe he is. It's nice that you maintain such optimism, I'm almost jealous :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:12 PM
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Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. Some do. Others don't. "Women will eventually approach you" is clearly not an absolute statetement. They _may_ approach you. Or they may not
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:10 PM
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Well if it's better for you, good for you, but speak for yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:09 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:57 PM
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I guess it depends. If looks is the problem, it would be clear by late twenties. If it's social status, I'd say 30. If it's something else - well, it depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:45 PM
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Nothing good ever came out of chasing down. She might settle for a while but in the long term you will almost inevitably be either dumped, or cucked, or both. That's like basic truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:39 PM
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Absolutely (except for maybe "women will approach you" part). Sex isn't be-all end-all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:36 PM
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But the chances are she won't be able. There are way more women who would like to marry a billionaire than there are billionaires. There are way more men who would like to date a supermodel than there are supermodels. Maybe it's technically true that there is someone for everyone, after all there are almost 8 billion people in the world, but you're never going to meet them all to find The One. So I'd argue that most of the time it's not about finding a Prince, it's about choosing a really good f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:26 PM
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First of all, you made an implicit assumption that perceived attractiveness is the same thing as arousal. However, it's too strong of a claim. It's not that men have instant boners every time they see an attractive woman. And it's not entirely clear how OK Cupid's study was designed, but I doubt they asked women "here's the photo, are you wet yet?". More likely they asked people something like "rate how good looking a person in the photo is". If it's close to the truth, your point about female a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:13 PM
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The question where the limits of hypergamy lie. A women can aim for whatever goal, but she should assume it's at least somewhat realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 03:16 PM
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Thank you. Maybe it could be a post, but shitpost filters work in mysterious ways, so why bother :). As for your point about options, I agree to an extent. The idea is true, but people often tend to overestimate how much options are really available. Otherwise we wouldn't see all those "where did all good men go" rants.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:03 PM
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I don't argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 02:01 PM
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Я лично за клинопись
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 01:19 PM
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The more I observe the dating market the more I'm assured that the main cause of its problems isn't biology, it's "you deserve better" culture, especially for women, but to some extent for men as well. You deserve better, chase your dreams, the sky is the limit, never settle for less. The very nerve of cultural production is the story of an underdog becoming a king of the hill. There is a big true love around the corner for every Cinderella. Successful enterprise is waiting for every struggling …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 01:18 PM
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Learn another alphabet already, pls
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 12:25 PM
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There's a handful of examples of 20+ years stable marriages without infidelity (at least detectable infidelity) and misery. The thing is such marriages don't seem to revolve primarily around sexual excitement. It doesn't necessarily mean bad sex or dead bedroom, on the contrary such couples seem to be quite content physically, at least on a surface, but still sex is clearly not the most important part. The other common thing is there's visibly a great amount of mutual respect and willingness to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:59 AM
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Oh yeah, totally communist. We all know how Marx famously wrote in Communist Manifesto: "Workers' ultimate goal is reasonably affordable healthcare".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:34 AM
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We're speaking statistical tendencies here anyway. Dating within your social circle is obviously more convenient, so some women might choose to go with casual sex. Others may choose to date outside the university. Some may combine. Which scenario is more often I can't say definitely, but I assume both happen reasonably often.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:26 AM
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Universities are not closed systems
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:15 AM
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I had uncannily similar experience (luckily without children). Literally the worst 1.5 years of my life, and I've seen some shit before and after. I'm very sorry that happened with you too, I hope you're doing better now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:14 AM
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Speaking from experience, I wouldn't say it's necessarily push/pull itself. Initial "pull" is just way much stronger than with most women, at first you think she likes you a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:09 AM
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Thank you for articulating it. Misuse of 80/20 rule is really annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 08:57 AM
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Well put
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 08:39 AM
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Thousand times this. Stay strong and good luck
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 08:34 AM
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"Anyone left of liberals" is a shitload of people. Left centrists like Bernie, socdems, marxists, anarchists. Their takes on gender politics will be different. People like AOC are probably inconsistent on this topic since identity politics can't be consistent by definition. Marxist approach to gender views sexual objectification as a form of alienation so no more "you go girl" for OnlyFans thots. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:07 PM
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First of all, you should take into consideration that Cluster B disorders are often comorbid. Even psychiatrists sometimes overlook it, but I'd say that's the case quite often. E. g. my ex was diagnosed with BPD shortly after we broke up. But along with bad impulse control, mood swings, and unstable attachment (which is typical for BPD), she was also a liar (even when there was no serious reason to lie), manipulative/gaslighting, unempathetic, and pretty self absorbed (which is more associated w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 10:26 PM
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Dots of blue mean just there are more dem voters than gop voters. And "more" can be like 50.1% to 49.9%. I find it highly unlikely that there are that many let's say 90% liberal or 90% conservative places. If it was the case then women from big cities wouldn't complain about o puritanusm
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 10:10 PM
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It if works for you, congrats
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:56 PM
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Nah, I'd better pet my cats
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:56 PM
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I mean in the broader sense. Of course you more likely to find conservative majority in a small town in let's say Kentucky than in NYC. But in general these two types aren't completely compartmentalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:52 PM
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Then I think we need to take this into account if we speak of double standards. The typical conversation here goes like "women treat men like crap - no, men treat women like crap", while both sides mean different men and different women. In my humble opinion it makes such discussions lack sense. And again "white men at the top" needs a heavy stress on "at the top" and not "white men". After all, they accepted Obama and Hillary. People are incorrectly reducing class issues to race or gender way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:48 PM
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And I doubt that you can equate every "women with high/low n-count do/don't X" statement is a judgement (as in "judgemental"). If I say a woman with high n-count rarely make a reliable partner for a man who's looking for loyalty, I don't imply they should be stoned (Saudi Arabia stoned, not Mary Jane stoned) or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:38 PM
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One of the best
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:31 PM
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"Leftist" nowadays means nothing in particular. Specify who are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:03 PM
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I like how a young woman marrying an old powerful men is taken advantage of, but a young man falling for a gold digger in disguise is a loser who should've known better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 09:01 PM
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Do you deny there are correlations between n-count and personality traits? Because acknowledging this nowadays pass as judgement, but doesn't make it less true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:56 PM
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It often seems to me as an outsider like there really are two Americas. The first one is conservative, GOP-voting, traditionally holding women to puritanical standards, but tolerating toxic behaviours in men, because "boys will be boys". The second one is socially liberal, Dem-voting, giving green light to everything women do, but demonizing masculinity, because "men are trash". The problems are (1) both are hypocrite, (2) both occupy the same space.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:53 PM
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I'm speaking from an outsider perspective. I'm Russian and the concept of race is very different here. But I've read enough Huey Newton to at least try to understand what Black experience is, and draw some parallels of how German Nazi occupation forces treated Slavs, for example (to which every Russian is familiar).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:42 PM
6

It seems like every woman here is taken
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:29 PM
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I didn't say if one starts making more money etc it'll magically solve his/her problem. Moreover, I doubt it. My question was rather rhetorical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:19 PM
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Well, that's how ideological narratives work. "You're a free citizen, but don't you take those seats, go to those schools, walk into those bars, marry those whites and if troubles happen you're the first suspected". I think it rings the bell. Also strawman logic "you men objectify, degrade and cheat, so we're free to do the same" even if there are many more men who don't do these. I don't even think it's gender thing, or a societal norm, just pure hostile ideology of some vocal minority. Unless …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 07:15 PM
5

You know sometimes doctors joke that among them surgeons aren't the sharpest ones...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:53 PM
1

And I read it like "Muscovites going their own way" and was proud for a while as a Muscovite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:31 PM
1

I doubt there are good studies on this topic, simply because it's unclear whether you can actually separate cultural factors from purely biological ones
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:17 PM
1

So, you can't say anything coherent about what "feeling good" has to do with dating success. OK, I'll take it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:12 PM
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Comfort zone is call 'comfort' for a reason, you know. The best moment in last ~5 years of my life was when I realized I'm really content with myself and can stop trying to change for nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 06:05 PM
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And now try to answer my question, pls
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 05:59 PM
1

How is feeling good supposed to be related to the OP's point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 03:49 PM
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Not necessarily an object of attraction, "object of repulsion" works too. But your statement is more precise, I agree, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:33 PM
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Not necessarily an object of attraction, "object of repulsion" works too. But your statement is more precise, I agree, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:32 PM
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Not necessarily an object of attraction, "object of repulsion" works too. But your statement is more precise, I agree, thnx
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:23 PM
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Well, he's not entirely wrong in "women don't consider i-words people worthy of compassion" worthy of compassion. People in general (not only women) aren't that good in compassion, let's be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:04 PM
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If only I could upvote it thousand times. Most of non-homemade porn is not only usually too extreme, but also so obviously fake it hurts. It's like watching robots pretending to be humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 02:02 PM
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Everything changes when banging is not at stake, it works for both genders. I have a handful of good female friends and everything's alright unless no sexual tension is conceivable for either side. It's almost like romantic/sexual attraction is some sort of a trigger that switches off empathy. It's almost mesmerizing
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 01:52 PM
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Well, you like to judge people, I don't. Let's leave it at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 01:03 PM
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Yep, it would be nice, but I wouldn't expect nice things from random people :). However, within male communities it's slightly more realistic to make some conscious effort out of shared values.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 12:58 PM
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Where did I said it shouldn't be said about them? I don't blame them, that's nobody's fault unless there are huge obvious red flags from the beginning. Making a mistake where the information is incomplete is okay, we're all humans. Even bitching about it is understandable. Not to learn from mistakes is another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 12:44 PM
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Or, here we go again. "Men have had a monopoly of power" implies that men as a group have a monopoly, while in reality it is a specific group of men, namely the ruling class. Which also included some women (from pharao Hatshepsut to Alienore of Aquitaine to Catherine The Great to Thatcher). Overwhelming majority of men were politically disempowered for the most of history, and you can't blame the entire gender for the privilege of the few rich and powerful families.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 12:41 PM
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It's not their job, but it can be men's job. Men should encourage and support each other way more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 12:03 PM
1

Women want excitement (well, in general). A good amount of them want more or less constant excitement. The problem is: (1) life is mostly about not excitement but routine, (2) if you chase new sensations, eventually you run out of new things to do. Men who are accustomed to hard work and adversity usually learn this pretty well and therefore they usually aren't easily bored of consistency. If you can try new exciting things that's good, if you can't, that's okay too, it rarely affects their desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:57 AM
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So, basically doing all the things he most probably already does
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:43 AM
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Good points but: A lack of attraction from one partner Isn't it supposed to improve if the other partner increases their looks, income etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:40 AM
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In "nature vs nurture" debate I'm more on "nurture" side. So in the 6th point I meant female selection behaviour is mostly learned too. Of course there is a biological component, but I think it's flexible enough to not entirely explain actual behaviours for the most part. In other parts I agree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 11:37 AM
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I'm sorry, I hope you're OK now
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 12:58 AM
2

Well, if you meant specifically guys then yes, can't argue with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 11:59 PM
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Height is looks is SMV. You’re below average Well, as I said, I don't claim I have an average SMV. I just use myself as an illustration, more to emphasize the importance of certain traits than to claim I'm a catch (which I'm not). average physique, average level of fitness, average haircut, average style? As for now then I'm not dating, I don't mind being closer to dadbod side (because a tasty meal once in a while gets me more dopamine than a six-pack) and don't overinvest in style etc. However,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 11:49 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 11:32 PM
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