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Thanks for the explanation. Is there a difference between a Pookie and a Ray Ray? I've seen both those names appear together a lot, so they seem synonymous. It seems like a waste of breath to have to say both if they're the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:37 PM
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What's the difference between Chad, Tyrone, Pookie, and Ray-Ray?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:16 PM
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Because they want the authority of men, the privileges of women, and the accountability of children. Don’t look to women for fairness or sustainability.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 09:11 PM
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Sure they can, but asking red-pilled men what women gain from them being red-pilled is solipsistic. The red pill is for the benefit of men. If it benefits women at all, that's by accident or a nice bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:19 AM
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I haven't seen the term before, but I'm guessing it's something like the opposite of incel: someone who is older, more established, has money, and is interested in dating (and has dated/does date) young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:31 AM
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Your question assumes that being red vs. blue-pilled is a matter of benefit for women, but it's not; it's only for the benefit of men. It's like asking whether it's better for women if men are suckers or not. I mean, sure, if you're a predator or parasite, then maybe you want a sucker...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 01:35 AM
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Authority without responsibility is tyranny. Responsibility without authority is slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 08:21 PM
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It depends. If those women also argue that men and women are equal, then yes, they’re hypocrites. The crux of the matter is that men and women aren’t equal, and it’s different when two women have sex, compared to when two men do. This is a proof by contradiction that men and women are not equal, as you’ve observed. Say it with me, now: Men 👏 and 👏 women 👏 are 👏 not 👏 the 👏 same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:56 AM
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Yes, but also it’s a shift in perception/thought about women and sex. Nowadays, women are considered to be equal to men in terms of needing, wanting, and giving sex. Men aren’t “entitled” to sex. The culmination of this was the invention of the marital rape laws in the 1970s-1990s in each state. Women no longer have to contribute sex to marriage, but men still have to contribute resources, even after divorce through alimony and “child” support. Legal marriage is destroyed for men. Don’t get marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:49 AM
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This is a consequence of other, more basic changes, which the speaker actually mentioned: technology. Technology, especially the automobile, has shaped our communities into what they are today. Also things like a common, single national currency, but that’s another topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:19 AM
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False. Men do value loyal women. Bezos was wrong to cheat on his wife. What men object to is an unfair divorce system that forces him to continue to contribute to a dead relationship in the form of resources while she isn’t forced to contribute to that dead relationship in the form of sex. Men and women get different things out of relationships, and how Bezos was treated is unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:11 AM
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Yes, there is, it’s called new relationship energy. It lasts up to 2-4 years. It’s when two mates “pair” up due to an emotional “bond.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 07:04 AM
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Correct. Social enforcement of monogamy was really the only way to know what you (as a man) were getting with a woman. If she fucked around, society would have given her a bad reputation. Nowadays, that doesn’t happen. The sad thing is that there are indeed some chaste-ish women out there, but there’s now no way to verify it, and if you took them at their word, you’d be a moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:59 AM
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Women’s words are worthless, unless it’s something immediately falsifiable like “it’s cloudy outside,” or “our kid skinned a knee today.” If they say something, it’s generally only for their benefit, to bolster their social position. Don’t ask women for dating, relationship, or marriage advice. Don’t listen to what they say they want. All you’ll get is sweet-sounding lies. Watch their actions, and draw your own conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:50 AM
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It’s an ad hominem attack. Whoever uses an ad hominem attack loses the debate, period. Just point it out, then cut them off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/22 06:05 AM
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It would give the government such power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/22 06:27 AM
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Like what women really mean when they say “creepy.”
/r/Divorce_Men05/09/22 12:23 AM
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Like I said, ignore relationship roles at your peril. The modern rights and conveniences that men have given to women don't change the dating and mating game for men. They have instincts that must be satisfied, just as women do. If your partner doesn't need you, then why are they with you? They could, and should, do better than you. In terms of security, women need to need men, and men need to be needed by women. If that's not happening, then something will feel off for one or both of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 11:51 PM
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Give her all the phone numbers and emails of your family, so she can block them.
/r/Divorce_Men04/09/22 08:17 PM
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Women peak younger than men in attractiveness. Men and women cross over in attractiveness at some point, which is debatable where exactly, but probably in the early- to mid-thirties. Factors of attractiveness vary per sex, but obviously some of the strongest factors for men aren't physical beauty. Wikipedia on physical attractiveness (not total attractiveness): Male desirability to women peaks in the late 20s and does not fall below the average for all men until 36. The 2010 OkCupid study found …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:36 AM
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Puberty, history, the law, and common sense say yes. A better question is: Are women aged 26-35 capable of making decisions that will impact their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 06:54 AM
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By "selling," I meant what's hot on the market. What's in demand. For women, that's young. Not so for men. Men and women have different privileges. Cry me a river.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 06:46 AM
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Buy the house as a long-term investment. Rent it out. Save the recurring revenue. Let your (future) husband be the provider and buy the house your family lives in. Use your income to pay for vacations or something. Your boyfriend was probably right to end things with you. As things looked at the time, you didn't need him. This will be an albatross hanging around your dating neck if you don't manage it right. Men's masculine instincts are to provide. If you don't need provision, then you don't co…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:47 AM
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"I'm not a man, and I don't understand why men value what they do. When I consider what women want men to value in women, men's behavior just doesn't make sense to me." You need to accept a fundamental truth: As a woman, you will never understand men. Never. You can guess, you can assume, you can suppose, you can conjecture, you can anticipate, you can observe, but you will never understand. Do. You. Get. That? Not. Ever. All you can do is play the market, seeing what's selling, and who's buying…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:32 AM
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They hate evidence that their argument about an evil patriarchy is wrong. It’s called lack of accountability.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 08:00 AM
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Gross.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 07:53 PM
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You're assuming that 4th wave feminism isn't an inevitable consequence of 1st or 2nd wave feminism, that this is an outlier, or that "the pendulum has swung too far." This was always going to happen.
/r/AntiFeminists13/08/22 08:14 PM
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Assuming you've already pushed hard for her to stop drinking, get therapy, try a 12-step program, try religious conversion, etc., I'm not aware of anything you can do to get her to stop, aside from getting her license revoked. You can't force someone to fix their addiction. They have to get to that point on their own. Sometimes, that means hitting bottom. Better to do that while not driving with the kids in the car. You could try reporting your concern to the police. They might be willing to tai…
/r/Divorce_Men13/08/22 04:52 PM
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This just in: Don’t care And not in a “I don’t care about this topic” way, I mean in a “you made your bed, now you have to lie in it” way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 05:59 AM
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Women use victimhood as a shield. It’s the same reason why they grow quiet, their eyes glaze over, and they change the subject when you point out that the wage gap was debunked decades ago. Don’t look to most women for truth, reason, or accountability when it undermines their potential victimhood. This is why it’s so refreshing to encounter women who call other women on their bullshit, like Johnny Depp’s lawyers questioning Amber Heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:01 PM
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Just a theory: Attraction is maximized when sex differences are maximized. We're not logically attracted to the opposite sex; we're attracted to signs that signal the opposite sex. The more/stronger "correct" signal we receive, the more "right" it feels, and the more validation we get from the mate. The majority of men are majority masculine; likewise for women and feminine. So there's a minority of men, for example, that are more feminine than masculine; for these men, more masculine women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 07:16 AM
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Tell your lawyer everything. Don’t ever withhold something. They’re there to protect you from yourself and others.
/r/Divorce_Men17/05/22 06:01 PM
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I guess just public figures and the people who follow them?
/r/PussyPassDenied12/05/22 05:15 AM
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Right, although I’d say that personality can’t compensate nearly as much as how looks can. If you’re a 5/10 in looks (not SMV), a dynamite personality isn’t going to make you a 10/10 in SMV. But to tie this back to your original comment regarding “personality doesn’t matter” being the biggest lie, the black pill’s point is that personality doesn’t matter if there isn’t physical attraction, and to have that you need some minimum level of looks, depending on the woman and her environment. So if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 05:41 PM
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You’re contradicting yourself. You said personality alone can get your foot in the door. I said looks are required, but then personality plays a part after that. How much of a factor personality is is debatable. I disagreed with you that men can get women on personality alone. 1/10 is an extreme example for a reason, because it disproves your argument. If your position is nuanced, then say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 05:28 AM
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Ah, you’re right, sorry. However, I call BS on you or your friends getting there on personality alone. Maybe that’s what the women told you guys, but that’s certainly not the case. If you’re a 1/10 in looks as a man, personality doesn’t matter for almost all women. Looks is the first hurdle/filter to pass, then personality can be a benefit. Just came across this a minute ago when reading top posts, actually, which is relevant: https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/k820ak/_/gevvby3/?cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 10:22 PM
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If your problem is that you can’t even get your foot in the door, then personality doesn’t matter. As you yourself said, looks gets your foot in the door. That’s their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/22 07:05 PM
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I didn’t say that incest is new. My original point about non-family sexual abuse stands, as I explained in the linked-to comment. The sexualization of children is a kind of degeneracy. Your parents were supposed to be your first and last line of defense. Their failure, whether or not they were the perpetrators, is degeneracy. Degeneracy is a systemic problem resulting from bad incentives and pressures. You don’t fix degeneracy by creating more of it (like feminism); you fix it by fixing the unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 01:59 AM
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I think I addressed this in the other reply: https://reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/tprmeg/_/i5alffa/?context=1
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/22 08:49 PM
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Instincts and capabilities are two different things. Protection is about minimizing risk and defending with force.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 04:46 AM
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Growing up and moving out was your salvation. My point, which applies to most sexual assaults, still stands. Fathers and brothers have protective instincts for their female family members for a reason. Also, it sounds like your father didn’t rape you, and neither did the other male family member, which is what you posted about, and what I replied to. What happened to you wasn’t because of a lack of feminism, it was because of degeneracy, which feminism is a form of. The social norms and standard…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 02:51 AM
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Be angry at feminism for leading you to believe you’d be safe away from the protection of the men in your family.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/22 12:43 AM
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Do you not realize that shaming language doesn’t work anymore? Men have wised up to that crap. We just tune out “hate” and “misogyny” and “sexism” labels now, because they’re just used as a slur now. For instance, you’ve made no argument for why that was “hate”. Go ahead, use the Oxford dictionary, make a formal argument with premises and a conclusion, I dare you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/22 02:15 AM
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That thing you’re doing, where you’re attacking the person making an argument, instead of the argument itself, is called an ad hominem attack. It’s the last resort of the lazy and those without a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 09:57 AM
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http://www.motherfuckingwebsite.com
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 09:52 AM
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Women need to need men. They’re not satisfied or fulfilled when they’re with a man who they don’t need. They will drop him, and monkey branch to one they do. There are many ways in which womens’ need for men has been diminished. The list is really long. And most of it is women’s own doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 11:17 PM
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Yes, but that’s not the issue. The issue is that women are spoiling relationships for themselves, leading to dissatisfaction or disinterest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 09:42 PM
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I would argue that hot men have it easiest, but there are far, far fewer hot men than hot women (80/20 rule, 95/5 rule, whatever you want to call it). Giga Chads can coast through life. Helps with success outside of dating too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:06 AM
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You’re right that women have more contraception options, but that doesn’t change the fact that condoms work for most men. Be responsible for your own reproductive contribution. If you have sex with a woman repeatedly, make sure she’s on the same page about emergency contraception and abortion.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/02/22 08:09 PM
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In other words, play games. No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:19 PM
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Some interesting points. Some thoughts, though (sorry for the sarcasm, it came out that way): Women had more time for raising, supervising, and teaching their children; and more time for personal development, growth, and leisure. But no, let’s use it to eke out a few more degrees of GDP at the expense of women and children. Let’s make everyone exhausted, kick fathers out of the home, and doom kids to worse life outcomes. Short vs. long term thinking. Wives had plenty of security in the forms of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 12:17 AM
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Yes, it’s called misandry: hatred, dislike, or mistrust of men “Men” includes “of men,” as in men’s (as a group) instincts, desires, needs, wants, tendencies. Dislike of men’s desire for sex is misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:45 AM
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The average age women hit their fertility cliff is 33, where their fertility drops by an average of 70%. Fertility drops constantly before that, although not as precipitously. Waiting until your 30’s to get pregnant is a recipe for disaster for women. This is why IVF has become mainstream. Edit: See my source below.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 05:33 PM
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Our instincts drive us to pursue maximum reproductive success. Part of that is finding the best possible mates, for example. For males, for a lot of species, it’s also acquiring the most mates, for a few beneficial reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:57 AM
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Some people are comfortable handling snakes; that doesn’t mean there isn’t an instinctual fear of snakes in humans. By and large, most men would prefer to reproduce with multiple women (assuming no consequences like child support etc.) This is an instinct. Monogamy is: you don’t have sex before marriage, you don’t have sex with anyone else during marriage, and you don’t divorce. “Serial monogamy” is a feel-good term we use to make ourselves feel better about how we behave in modern times, that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:28 AM
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I’m talking about instincts. You don’t have to have a (marriage) contract to follow your instincts. If you have to reason about whether something is a good idea to convince yourself to do it (or be told it’s God’s plan, or whatever), it’s not an instinct, it’s reason. By the way, serial monogamy isn’t a mix of monogamy and polygamy, it’s a restricted form of polyamory, where you have multiple partners, just not all at once. Serial monogamy is the female (as opposed to male) mating strategy, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 05:10 AM
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No, I get it, monogamy is best for society, and it’s the smartest strategy when agriculture is necessary to survive, but that’s only been necessary the past 10k years or so. My point is that monogamy is a logical choice, not something we feel instinctually. If it was natural, we wouldn’t need to encourage it, or define it. We would just do it, like other animals naturally follow their own instincts to mate. What’s natural for humans is to bond for a few years (new relationship energy) and then m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 07:56 PM
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Yes, it’s a strategy, but not a natural one, it’s not instincts. Monogamy is different than bonding. You can have bonding without monogamy. Monogamy is a compromise reached through negotiation between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:44 AM
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We put aside our instincts to mate with many women to be monogamous with one woman. For thousands of years. What have women done? As soon as they could support themselves by working indoors, they gave men the middle finger. Great.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 12:03 AM
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You missed it, I guess: If you are wealthy, it’s actually better to date down since the lower class woman will see you as more valuable than she is and therefore get more attached Specifically, this part: get more attached Attached, as in bonded. Women need (deep down) security from men, including provision.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 11:56 PM
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Oh totally
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:19 PM
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Sometimes. Or they’d meet at a dance, or church. Courtship would happen in front of family. Young women weren’t left alone with suitors, because everyone knows what that tends to lead to. This is before contraception.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 06:31 AM
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Did you even read their comment? Men didn’t have to know how to date or seduce women to get a wife. Dating and seduction don’t come naturally to men. It’s a learned skill. Clue #1 that we’ve gone down the wrong path.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 05:36 AM
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Femininity, and the confidence that comes from that, and the charisma that comes from that. Don’t fake it, those things have to be real. Make him feel masculine. Focus on having fun and establishing chemistry first. Let the vetting topics arise naturally over time. If it’s obvious you’re trying to rush things and turn it into an interview, you’ll seem desperate or insincere.
/r/RedPillWomen31/12/21 08:10 AM
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The problem with your argument is that it relies on hypotheses that I doubt can be substantiated: Why did we listen to black civil rights and give them rights? Because it gave society more useful workers, leaving them as is will just lead to needless civil unrest and leave us with a bunch of burdens to deal with. By "we", I assume you mean voters in general? Or do you mean the elites/leaders? I'm pretty sure the political leaders ultimately supported racial civil rights because there was a groun…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 01:05 AM
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Tolerance of homosexuality, transexuality, etc. was born out of the racial tolerance movement. People looked for other social justice bandwagons to jump on early, before it became cool, so they could look sophisticated and righteous, and point fingers at others, to feel better about themselves. It's virtue signaling. Women support these things not because it's right, but because it makes them look good, and it doesn't cost them anything. As soon as a movement starts to threaten to take away or r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 01:12 AM
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He did hold himself responsible. He ended it. I don't see anyone here blaming the woman for leading him on or hurting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 05:29 AM
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You're forgetting about the Women Are Wonderful Effect. Nobody, especially women, will ever give a fuck about incels...until they burn everything down, but by then it will be too late. You can see the gut-level disgust women today have for them, turning their noses up at them and scoffing at the idea that they're somehow "owed" sex. It would take a great act of political will indeed to make sweeping changes for the benefit of incels. Just look at how society deals with managing and minimizing ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 11:59 PM
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This was highlighted by the Texas bill. It was extreme but the reaction and core counter arguments were so weak it was shocking. I'm perhaps a little out of the loop. Can you give more detail?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/21 04:49 PM
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It’s the law. Take any sexual harassment training in California, and that’s how they’ll define it. I understand some people being upset at how men can be railroaded whether or not their behavior matches that definition. But that’s the legal definition. I mean, just think about it: if a stranger walks up to you and punches you in the gut, and then you never see them again, were you harassed? Or was it a one time thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 12:36 AM
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That seems to be a valid sentence, but I don’t see your point. Men and women both pay taxes into it, so it’s a good idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:36 AM
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Yes, that’s the point. I didn’t say government was…paying?…women. The things that women needed men for, like being protected and provided for, are being provided more and more by immense government institutions and regulations instead. Equal rights without equal responsibilities and obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:16 AM
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Yes, that’s what big government daddy meant. They voted to create a sprawling government apparatus as an artificial crutch to make them “independent” of/“equal” to men. Great job. 👏 Anyway, the point was that the idea that men “objectify” women in some callous way that women don’t do is absurd and naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 07:06 AM
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You can absolutely transmit herpes outside of flare ups. See the CDC website.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:53 AM
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Only in the sense that women also saw men as objects: objects of security, provisions, and protection. Both sexes need the opposite sex for skin-deep reasons. Or, at least, that used to be the case. Women don’t need men anymore, now that they have big government daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 06:35 AM
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You’re also right, but it is the same because they will still enjoy the validation from the attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:41 AM
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For it to be harassment, it has to be repeated, at least in California. A single occurrence doesn’t count. And she has to tell him it’s unwanted after the first time for the second time to count as harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 05:39 AM
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But please don’t use anything that has bullshit CAPTCHAs. If I remember correctly, archive.is does. Just use archive.org.
/r/MensRights30/09/21 08:59 PM
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Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of relationships. This is true because, as you put it: The only difference between sex and relationships is who desires it and who initiates it. Men desire sex much more than they desire relationships (on average), women are the opposite (on average). This is speaking at a biological level. If you’re finding that it’s you (as a man, let’s say) that is having to initiate relationships, and not women, there could be a few reasons why: You’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:26 PM
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Your first link claims they can conclude that female hypergamy is ending because more women are getting college educations. Like, that’s it, that’s the entire basis for their conclusion. It ignores that social status encompasses many things besides education, and it ignores that women with higher education have higher standards for education than women who don’t, which is still hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 10:02 PM
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The latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 09:42 PM
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Don’t hate the player, but you can hate the game. The rules have changed in a way that now disadvantages men, and that’s unfair. Monogamy—true monogamy, without contraception or divorce—was a compromise between the sexes to enable successful, long-term relationships. Most people got a mate, had children, had a home, had a place in their community, and could rely on those things being stable. No more. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 09:39 PM
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Is she addicted to it? Does it have any negative effects on her health, physical or mental? If yes, then no. Good luck not getting addicted to porn if you use it regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:41 PM
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Everyday I see men and women fighting about who’s more rational What? Who is arguing about this? Do even any feminists argue that men are less rational than women? I’ve not seen this. who has it easier, who has the most unrealistic standards, etc. That’s a bad way to frame it. Feminists claimed that women had it worse, and it was therefore unfair, and (some) men responded with counterarguments and counterexamples. Men don’t go around whining to women about how much their lot in life sucks, how u…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:40 AM
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but there’s these pesky things called rights. Your scenario would be what we call slavery. I don’t agree with doing this either, but your position is that the law would never enable a contract that enslaves someone, and that’s what marriage contracts do, in the form of alimony and child support (in effect, since it’s not based on the real-world costs of child rearing). The husband is forced to continue to contribute (financially) to a relationship that is dead, while she is not (emotionally, sex…
/r/MensRights10/09/21 04:07 PM
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Nah. Wow, it’s easy when I can just say that!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:55 PM
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Like: Hubby doesn’t ever know what needs to be done, doesn’t notice anything, so she either does it all or assigns chores like he’s another kid. That’s code for “I have strong opinions about how to run the kids’ day-to-day lives that are different than his, and I’m upset that he can’t read my mind and just do what I want, and here I am working full-time for some reason, so now I have to actually communicate what I want with him, and I shouldn’t have to. I’m stressed and unhappy, and somehow this…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 11:12 PM
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Talk to a large majority of wives with kids and it’s the same thing. Hubby doesn’t ever know what needs to be done, doesn’t notice anything, so she either does it all or assigns chores like he’s another kid. This is a combo of 50/50 marriages and a pervasive feminist narrative of men oppressing women, which has produced an unnatural situation in which men are disinclined to take leadership roles in their marriages, and are expected to do the kind of work they don’t have strong opinions about. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 04:54 PM
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It’s about validation: men get more validation from physical intimacy than emotional intimacy, and for women, vice versa. Both sexes do get validation from both, it’s just about priorities. The difference is caused by biological differences between the sexes, i.e. sperm are cheap and eggs are expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 04:38 AM
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Furthermore, sexual harassment is only repeated, unwanted sexual behavior from a specific individual. Being cat called is not sexual harassment if: one or more people do it once one or more people do it multiple times, and aren’t told it’s unwanted one or more people do it multiple times, are told it’s unwanted, then stop
/r/MensRights25/08/21 04:09 AM
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There were certainly ways to decrease the risk of pregnancy, but they weren’t reliable to the point that the average number of children then and today would be the same. That’s like saying the risk today for pull out vs. condom use is the same in the long run. In an age when wives were full-time homemakers and mothers, what % of couples do you really think bent over backwards just because the wife didn’t want any more kids? “Sorry honey, we’ve had 2.1 kids by our early to mid 20s, it’s the pull-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:06 PM
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effective contraception People have been using less reliable methods since literally forever, yes actually If only poor people could afford the pull out method…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:25 PM
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Y’all really truly believe what movies tell you was normal back in the day don’t you The same could be said of feminism. Having lots of kids at a young age was for poor people and always has been. This is true even today. When you got to the upper classes it was not uncommon to see women not having kids until their late 20s/early 30s centuries back. So when exactly do you think effective contraception was invented? 5000 BC? The majority of Americans didn’t get access to contraception until the 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:13 PM
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The post body text is gone. It just says “[removed]” now. Maybe a mod did it? Two types of women? I’m not sure what you’re referring to. I only remember the part about what I summarized just now. I read your source when I came to it in your post, found a related source, and added that to the discussion. It’s not meant to address the totality of your argument. If your full argument doesn’t rest on the 50-year-low argument, then great, but then I’m not sure why you included it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:19 PM
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I can’t see the post anymore. Did you delete it? From what I recall, your argument was that red pill criticism based on a high divorce rate was flawed, because the divorce rate is actually at an all-time low. Do I have that right? Given this other source, can you still claim, with just as much certainty, that the divorce rate is at an all-time low?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:05 PM
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You’re getting it backwards. Most women in porn are young because that’s what’s attractive to men, and as others have said, there are older women in porn too, although the teen category is obviously way more popular. The most attractive age for men 18-80 is ~22. That’s just how it is, for fertility reasons you laid out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:44 PM
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You used the 50-year-low data as a premise in an argument. This source argues that not only is that data flawed, but that the nature of marriage has changed, which means the failure rate today isn’t comparable to that of the past. See the last paragraph or two in the quotations. Feel free to acknowledge those points, and adjust your argument if needed, as you see fit, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:37 PM
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From https://www.fatherly.com/love-money/what-is-divorce-rate-america/: The most recent data we have from the 2019 American Community Survey puts the rate at 14.9 divorces per 1,000 marriages, the lowest number since 1970. But the true percentage of marriages that end in divorce each year is…more complicated. […] And: Though the divorce rate in America has real consequences for marriages all over the country, it’s a number that even sociologists have trouble pinning down. The Centers for Disease…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:18 PM
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It almost looks like they used Crayon.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 07:11 AM
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They’re all considered part of the manosphere, according to the Wikipedia article.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 07:10 AM
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They’re all considered part of the manosphere, according to the Wikipedia article.
/r/MensRights22/08/21 07:10 AM
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You’re witnessing degeneracy. The culture used to be one way, and more and more of something contradictory is creeping in.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:33 PM
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A man wants a woman who works full time Nope. and does a majority of the housework Yep. A woman wants a man to pay for a majority of the relationship, but doesn't want to be submissive or do a majority of the housework. Yep. Modern women want traditional men. Traditional men want traditional women. A man wants to marry a woman with little sexual experience but fucks his way through half the town or would if he could. You’re assuming the sexes are the same, and therefore it’s good for both to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:29 PM
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From the bored sex Atlantic article at the bottom: What does it all mean for Jane and the other straight women who feel stultified by long-term exclusivity, in spite of having been taught that they were designed for it and are naturally inclined toward it? What are we to make of the possibility that women, far from anxious guardians of monogamy, might on the whole be more like its victims? I like how it discusses how women let their relationships go to shit, then frame them as victims. 🙄 That se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:42 PM
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Sure, but the lifestyle they want is enabled by money/wealth. It amounts to the same thing in most cases. The only difference would be when the acquisition of money/wealth conflicts with some aspect of the desired lifestyle. This is where you see unrealistic expectations from women, like those who want a high wealth, high status man, but don’t want him to work hard, long hours to achieve it. Woops.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:02 PM
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From https://reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/p7c3kq/80_of_afghan_refugees_fleeing_taliban_are_women/: UN: 80% of Afghan Refugees Fleeing Taliban Are Women and Children
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:51 AM
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You basically have all the points there in your post, but something isn’t clicking or tying it all together for you, it seems. A relationship is a team, right? It has goals, and resources, and members, etc. Just like teams in other contexts, like work or sports. Well, when was the last time you saw a team work well together outside of relationships where they were firing on all cylinders, and everything was getting done smoothly and efficiently, with little to no miscommunication, strife, or was…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:26 AM
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No, it’s different for the reverse: for women, attractiveness fits a bell curve. You’re much more likely to be attractive as a woman than as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 04:54 AM
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Additionally, the most attractive male faces are not the most masculine or sexually dimorphic faces Hormone-based birth control prevents ovulation. Women are more attracted to signals of high T, like wide jaws, when they ovulate. I can’t view your study link right now on mobile, but I’m guessing it was done after the Pill hit the market, and they didn’t control for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 04:23 AM
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I wouldn’t even know what to say to this person.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/08/21 04:13 AM
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No, it doesn’t. He didn’t assume exclusivity. Go reread the post. If he had, he would have been complaining about cheating. He wasn’t complaining about cheating.
/r/ExRedPill08/08/21 06:20 PM
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I wrote out a whole reply, and then realized it was red pill advice, and I’m not sure how well received that would be here. I see your point, and I haven’t seen any response adequately address it. :(
/r/ExRedPill08/08/21 06:32 AM
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This doesn’t address anything he said.
/r/ExRedPill08/08/21 06:29 AM
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No, they’re not. They prevent transmission of fluids, nothing more. Transmission of Herpes 1 and 2 and HPV are not prevented by condoms.
/r/MGTOW202/08/21 08:55 AM
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Interesting, I hadn’t seen this explained in terms of the relationship market, only the sex market, but you’re spot on. By the way, the underlying reason you’re looking for is biological: eggs are expensive, and sperm are cheap. From that axiom, plus the immense cost of pregnancy and child rearing for women, you can derive everything you laid out here, plus so much more.
/r/TheRedPill16/07/21 04:13 AM
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Where’d you get the idea of suitors having to pay off the father? Before the 1900s, fathers were desperate to marry their daughters off. They even paid men to do so: the dowry. Don’t forget: men are the prize.
/r/TheRedPill16/07/21 03:54 AM
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Speak for yourself; that’s not what I’m doing. Of course there are minorities and outliers that prefer something else. “People prefer 10s.” Wow, what a crime against humanity to observe that. And the way it’s phrased, that’s actually telling people what they like, not observing it. /s
/r/MensRights15/06/21 09:27 AM
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Insecure how? What you find physically attractive doesn’t change just because you have kids. What you find sexually attractive might, but that’s not the same thing.
/r/MensRights14/06/21 11:30 AM
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Women aren’t physically attracted to dad bods; they’re attracted to the 10/10s, of course. But some women, more and more of them, prefer dad bods for their partners specifically. It’s laziness and insecurity: they don’t have to be fit either, and it’s harder for their partner to find someone better.
/r/MensRights14/06/21 08:51 AM
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I’m not saying that, you are. This is framing natural instincts in the most resentful, negative light possible. Imagine framing people who want to enlist in their military to defend their country in a war as wanting to be walking rifles or bullseyes. Women are free to want to be whatever they want, and men are free to want whatever they want, and vice versa, but choices have consequences. No one is entitled to choose whatever they want and still be attractive to the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 06:02 AM
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I don’t follow your point. Do you mean I was saying something bad about men? I am a man. I’m talking about what most masculine men want, including myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 01:28 AM
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That’s up to what you both negotiate your roles are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 07:07 PM
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No, they don’t, that’s the point. Nothing will surpass the feeling of being successful, having high status, and providing for, and protecting, his adoring family. Go ask men if they’d rather have that or coast through life on your coattails.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 06:36 PM
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Most men don’t care about how much money you make. It’s actually more likely harmful, because you need him less, which leads to dissatisfaction on both sides. Google “divorce increase after wife promotion”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 05:44 PM
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Those kinds of people didn’t put themselves in those situations. You’re infantilizing women. It’s simple: did you make a choice that led you here? Then you’re responsible, at least in part. Be accountable to yourself (if no one else) and learn from your bad choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/21 07:35 AM
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You realize what you’re saying applies to what you’re saying, right? For example: You: “Now it's just a pool of lonely guys trying to show each other they've been on the sub longer and are the only ones who really understand what's going on” Also you: “I don't consider myself part of the manosphere at all nowadays (used to, when I was younger!)... but fuck, at least those subs used to be substantive.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 10:22 PM
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They’re inevitable and smart given how humans work, in the absence of birth control and other (relatively) very modern technologies that feminism is predicated on. Men aren’t going to stop valuing and seeking young women just because men gave women many more options, because it’s baked into our genetics and instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 08:42 PM
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Technology changes, therefore biology changes. Makes sense!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 07:05 PM
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Doesn't that psych problem make pair bonding difficult? Isn't that what people mean by pair bonding problems?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/05/21 01:44 AM
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What’s the difference?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/21 09:01 AM
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I think the burden is on you to argue/prove that traditional relationships are unnatural, rather than on someone else to prove the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 04:12 PM
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