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Also even if you assume that population of women does exist, the inherent nature of the shy neurodivergent male means that he's just not going to have many chances of running into a caretaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 09:09 AM
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Not any woman but definitely a far larger umbrella of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 04:05 AM
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I mean you can develop solid scripting for a couple dates worth of a loop/busting a nut, but I've found that playing it into a LTR can be difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:58 AM
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Also I've had spots where friends have icked due to stuff that's too aggro/masculine or pretty much a complete non sequitur. Feminine behavior definitely more likely to trigger it, but there's a vast universe of random icks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:57 AM
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Yeah. I don't doubt there's people who are like genuinely 0 intention of relationship lovebombing, but I think a lot of it is what you've identified.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:21 AM
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Yeah. People are in such a rush to bang they forget that it's still in the filtering stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:21 AM
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I do think that this is a thing, but I also think that there's plenty of instances where a guy or girl does legitimately want all of the above and yet there's reasons beyond 'oh I got laid' that come up around the couple date mark for why they don't want to keep pursuing somebody.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:20 AM
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Or if they do it won't necessarily be proactively romantic. I've had chats with girl friends where they're like 'oh I keep coming up to Dude A and talking about his interests, when's he gonna pull the trigger on asking me out' and I'm like... y'know dude could just think you've got a common interest and not want to risk the friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:15 AM
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Eh. I've definitely had women proactively/clearly signal stuff, but I've also spent a lot of time talking to female friends about their own crushes & interactions... and it's astounding how little proactivity a lot of them have. Also how frequently it'll be couched in platonic interest/plausible deniability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:14 AM
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But these guys have been sold a lie thinking that the red pill is going to solve their issues. I think it's better to fail doing too much (within reason) as opposed to doing too little.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:12 AM
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Also frankly I've got female friends who keep me in the loop with their romantic aspirations and I've had a ton of 'oh I'm showing my romantic interest by engaging proactively with the guy platonically but I won't actually lead romantically myself' kinda chats with them. Where it's like... am I supposed to try and romantically escalate with any woman who's proactively sociable?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:12 AM
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Also frankly the sort of guys that Taylor Swift is dating are generally 12/10 celebrities in their own right who've got a ridiculous diversity of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:10 AM
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Also fundamentally Male polygamy/dating around is enabled by Female Hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:58 PM
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In my case they were both super nice, extremely intelligent guys, just kind of socially awkward, which I imagine leads to a lot of frustration in dating so I can sympathize. I mean it's kind of a weird spot where for guys like that, from personal experience, there's really no other semi-effective manual than PUA stuff. It'd be lovely if just acting like yourself would work or following conventional positive wisdom, but like... having tried both, only one made an actual difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:46 PM
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Yeah, especially if you're down to deal with some dorkiness and in a tech hub it's not going to be super hard to find a SWE with a huge TC.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:32 PM
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I'm sure there's a small % of people in the world to whom Lizzo is a 10. Human sexual diversity be crazy, even if people are generally in alignment. I also think that 'celebrity hotness' is a different spectrum to 'real life hotness'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 06:24 AM
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You can both be simultaneously right, though. Dude you're replying to might see a 'local 9 or 10' as a 5 or 6
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:38 PM
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Though on the other hand it does create a weird situation where some girls who might be 10's in their local market but who don't fit Western tastes are confused when foreigners go for girls who might be 5's in SEA but have attributes higher valued by foreigners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:37 PM
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Rejection for girls is far more likely going to equate to being strung along/fuckzoned, whereas for guys it's more likely going to involve being actually dumped. Just the gender dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:33 PM
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Think it depends on the dynamic. Guys more likely to maintain their level of yes/no 'would bang', girls more likely to find an ick factor in my meandering experience. On the other hand I've known guys who've broken up with girls due to stuff like weight-gain and that's kind of a grey area. If Jim dumped Susan due to her going from 150 pounds to 300 pounds, but they're still on good terms, he's probably not still attracted. But what if she gets back to 150?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 01:44 AM
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Yeah. I think increasingly hobbies are getting more split by gender due to the sheer diversity of things on offer. Just thinking on platonic female friends who I've met through work/study and kept in touch with, the vast majority have interests that trend 95% female, and same goes for my male friends but in reverse. I know great people of both genders who don't really have a vehicle for organically meeting dating prospects aside from the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:22 AM
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I think the issue is partially that the algorithm doesn't include correlations. But like obesity rate was in the mid 40's before the COVID period leaving 55%~, marriage rate about 50% for that cohort and 50k about 30th percentile for that cohort. 5'4 5th percentile height or so. 0.55 * 0.5 * 0.3 * 0.95 is about 18%~ assuming those variables are all completely uncorrelated. There's a huge amount of less affluent, higher BMI Americans away from the coasts who also skew anything based on a national…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:33 PM
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Yeah. I feel like the calculator assumes that all statistics are independent when there's atleast a slight correlation between income/height/race. Also the whole geographic skew of it all. If I'm in San Francisco looking for 200k+ income it's way more doable demographically than if I was in a random small town in Kansas.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 01:18 PM
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I feel like there's a difference between orbiting with an actual intent/drive to date a given female friend and 'if we were both single I'd be down to try dating but I'm not actively trying to make it happen and pursuing other leads'. I've had friendships with girls where I've been the Steve, I've had friendships with girls where it's more like 'alright if they offered something NSA out of nowhere I'd be down' and others where it's like a hard no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:03 PM
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Yeah. I feel guys tend to be more likely to check out without actually moving on for a variety of reasons. Girls more ick-centric/will find somebody they used to be into actively repulsive, whilst I think guys will just be more like 'she no longer excites me but if there's semi-regular sex available, fiiiiine'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:01 PM
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Likely those girls are swinging upwards, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:43 AM
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Exactly, especially post-COVID the apps have become monumentally harder environments. I got my last LTR from an app back in 2018, went through to early 2022 with her and then broke up. I'm way more attractive (Money, way fitter etc) in 2022 than I was in 2018, and yet the whole tone of the dating market has changed dramatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:39 AM
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I do think 'shredded' has pretty strong diminishing returns, but considering the majority of the US population is overweight it'll generally be worth atleast a point or two if they get themselves into reasonable shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 02:05 AM
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Exactly. I'd much rather deal with the binary yes/no of a firm rejection than getting ghosted or slow faded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:57 AM
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It's not how hard you try on the apps themselves, it's how hard you try to make yourself more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 01:56 AM
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It is but in my experience trying to take it slow is overwhelmingly likely to result in getting dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 10:19 PM
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I'm not super fussed about it as a guy, but I've found that if I'm not pressuring/alluding to it within 2 or 3 dates and generally upping the tempo I'm gonna be at risk of getting ye olde 'No Spark' text. Which kinda produces this shitty situation where I feel pressured to push it with girls I like but I don't feel supercertain about, since I feel if I don't push the tempo I'm gonna get dumped for not doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 11:20 AM
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I've got a bunch of friends who I think'd be great as husbands/longterm partners but have attributes that mean that they're running into a brick wall in the dating/early phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 02:39 PM
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I agree with your points, but I'm just saying guys by the time they've put the effort and time into actually being attractive are frequently not gonna use all that in order to wife up one of the girls who just spent years shitting on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 12:31 AM
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I mean this is kind of the issue. Guy gets into a dating app, gets absolutely no success, spends a while grinding himself into shape/learning how to present himself properly and by that point he's received 10000000 No's and is very much in a 'fuck you, now I get to be on top' mood. Since it seems like a waste of all that effort to suddenly be in-demand in order to settle down and be a partner to the same girls who've been rejecting you all the while.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 12:57 PM
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Yeah. I totally understand why girls do it. Also like the sheer thirst of the app environment is oppressive, hard to constantly keep up with that much attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:39 AM
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Then once you get wrapped up in the cocoon of singleness, it’s a lot of effort to get back out there and date again Yeah that's something I've observed in friends/girls I've dated where it's not worked out but we've stayed in touch. A lot of girls seem to only go into proactive dating mode for a month or so at a time then take huge breaks between it. Combo between they've got other things going on in their life, online dating is kind of exhausting etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:11 AM
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If a girl's not only not giving feedback, but giving actively counterproductive feedback like faking it for stuff that they're not into, how the fuck is a guy supposed to intuit it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:03 AM
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I've legit talked to female friends who've essentially said 'Oh I hate that he does X but I fake orgasm every time he does it, so he's been doing it more and more'. Like holy shit this could have been avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:03 AM
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Male ick is different IMO. Generally it's more 'I do not think this girl is worth the effort relative to attractiveness' or 'This girl is no longer relationship/wife material' than it is straight up 'I have zero interest in banging this girl now even if she rocked up naked on my doorstep'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:12 AM
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Girls are pretty ick-driven once you've passed the initial attractiveness barrier, though once you get through 3-4 dates there's usually a stockholm syndrome sort of a thing that takes place. Also guys rejecting girls is different. Girls very 100-0, most don't really have the same 'fuckbuddy filter' that guys do of 'This girl is attractive enough to put my penis in but not girlfriend material'
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:31 PM
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I mean having no girl game is just more likely to get them taken advantage of/fuckzoned than it is going to completely kill any chance of getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:28 AM
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Birth Control I'd assume
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:52 AM
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because anyone who has a good date with a given person will just keep dating that person and not need the group. I think that's an oversimplification, though. If you're angling for commitment, you can just keep having great dates every week or two with a guy for months but be unaware that he's got a full roster that he's also taking on great dates which means you're unlikely to get your actual goal even if the dates are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:10 AM
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Conditions generally tougher due to more people transitioning onto dating apps during the lockdown/COVID period. Like I had a similar story. Wasn't especially attractive back in 2018 (Obese, inexperienced, essentially unemployed) but landed pretty frequent dates/a multi-year girlfriend and now it's been a relative slog despite being a lot fitter, more attractive, better job since the... underlying vibes just feel a lot more adversarial? Potentially it's since we've aged into a different demograp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:03 AM
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Like I think most people of both genders rock up with legitimately reasonable intentions. It just doesn't survive exposure.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 12:52 PM
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I mean it's all kind of self-perpetuating Women treat men poorly since usually their first exposure to online dating will be being lovebombed and situationship'd 2 or 3 times by guys who are out of their league. That's sufficient justification to act poorly to everybody else. Meanwhile, guys get treated poorly on initially signing up due to lack of game and have to go through so much rejection on the way to becoming attractive that by the time they get there it's pivoted from 'I wanna find a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/23 07:41 AM
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Yeah. Hardly that unusual.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 03:03 AM
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Also I feel there's an element of starting the journey at 'I just want to meet a nice girl and start a family', banging your head off the wall/self-improvement grinding through a fuckload of rejection to actually make yourself dateable at which point it's far more 'I just spent a year getting rejected, now I'm jaded and taking whatever I can out of it'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 01:43 PM
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I know guys with great platonic friendship & work social skills who still struggle pretty immensely with girls, others who are unlikeable assholes unable to hold a job and yet can get pussy. I think this is a bit of an oversimplification
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 01:39 PM
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My experience is that girls are more likely to 'sprint' in dating/romantic stuff. They'll be inactive most of the year, decide to open up an app profile for a month or so and then either find somebody or accumulate sufficient trauma that they pop off for another year. Compared to the relatively eternal optimism of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 02:35 AM
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However, all these guys in a dating app probably would have gotten swiped left on. Yeah. That's the thing. Without dating apps there's a lot more scope to have chemistry/interpersonal dynamic take over before you find out about what'd be on-paper dealbreakers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:52 PM
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A girl can consent to being wined and dined whilst still never having any real intention of doing anything romantic with you, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:49 PM
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Wastes more time and gets a lot more tangled, yeah. Like would you rather have a girl turn you down cold or have you take her out to dinner 3x before ghosting? Even in my own dating as a guy I'd rather get a clear binary yes/no in the moment than get stuck in purgatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:42 PM
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I mean the issue for women is that male rejection tends to be a lot more situationship/fuckzone-y than just the 'fuck off leave me alone' unless they find the girl totally unattractive. So the calculus is pretty different
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 01:38 PM
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Agreed. I'm just extrapolating from a bunch of platonic female friends sending screenshots and being all 'Why isn't the love of my life responding'
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:01 AM
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Like the amount of times I've been told by a girl friend they've been ghosted when they haven't even been left on read. 95% of the time it's either a mutually dry convo or the dude desperately trying to keep a convo going against ambivalence till finally giving up
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:18 AM
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Or misallocation of energy. They'll spend 15 hours a day stalking socials/internet presence on a guy but dry text him with 12 hour waits.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 02:42 AM
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Yeah and I'm frankly not gonna go over the drinks/cheap restaurant threshold for a first date anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:51 PM
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Also IMO it kinda depends on what you've done as a first date. If it's just a coffee I really don't care if I pay, they pay, it's split or whatever else since it's a fairly immaterial amount of money. If we've been to the local Michelin Star restaurant I expect a split unless we're a few dates in and the vibe has been well established.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:31 PM
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Honestly it's crazy how the gender dynamic works sometimes. I've talked to girl friends about guys they're actually into/looking to escalate with, and yet when they send me screenshots of their texting it's all super guarded/the guy has to take the lead 99% of the time. Like I've had convos around 'Dear, he didn't 'ghost' you, he just got tired of trying to get blood from a stone after you left him on 'K' in 3 conversations in a row' in which my friend is like... legitimately upset about it? It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 11:27 PM
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Still you're probably better off with a Yoel Romero body than never seeing the gym whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 07:10 AM
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Struggle to get a boyfriend but yeah I know plenty of overweight girl friends who've shown me their apps and it's still essentially unlimited casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 04:05 AM
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That's always a concern. Like I've been invited over by girls to 'cuddle' then they get affronted I'm not making a move after 5 minutes when I've legitimately been content to cuddle. Cuddling's great but people trying to Trojan horse it into fucking makes it hard to know what anybody actually means by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:35 AM
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Don't even think it's limited to most men. I've been dumped by girls for failing to escalate whilst 'cuddling' since they haven't wanted to vocalize their desire for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:34 AM
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MGTOW aside, which is a very niche idea, why would you tax men to fix the issue? Most conceptions of the modern dating market suggest that it's only the top whatever % of men that are actually choosing to opt out of relationships in favor of fucking around with endless situationships. I'm skeptical that the solution to the 'Incel' issue is that 'Oh the Incels can't get laid and have to pay an extra tax as well'
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/23 01:22 AM
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Yeah. If anything it's the grind to actually get to a point of being reasonably attractive/successful that builds the Redpillness. By the time a guy's become attractive enough to have 'chad privileges', they've likely been through enough rejection that there's a chip on their shoulder and an implicit understanding of how the world works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 01:34 PM
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Tons of women aren't having an active sex life either, but it's usually by choice and they're less likely to be complaining about it. They either want a relationship and can't find someone they like, or they want to stay single for the time being. They have their vibrator and friends. Exactly. Some girls are into hookups and will do it, but in my experience a lot of girls just go through either phases of hooking up or will kinda go 'alright Boyfriend hunting time' for a month, either find one or…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/23 04:01 AM
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Is it just me or does this profile and this topic feel like a cuckolding LARP thing moreso than an actual human being? Like the account name is literally 2 'sexy' topics jammed together, essentially the whole posting history is cuckolding/SPH stuff etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:17 AM
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Hottest dude on the planet would not have the same access to sex as the most mid girl. So that’s an unequal exchange disguised as equal. I do think there's a tipping point where if the dude's like literally an NBA player/celebrity or something it swings back around again, but that tipping point probably has far more to do with fame & money than aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:15 AM
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Because unless the dude is super-attractive he's unlikely to have any meaningful experiences and/or suddenly going to have to spend a bunch of time dating and looking for roots that he doesn't want to spend.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 08:14 AM
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Both Male & Female supermodels are picked to be appealing to a fashion-orientated gaze that is largely female or male homoerotic. It's not like supermodels are picked on the metric of hetero bangability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:46 AM
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Yes but unless there is a chasm in attractiveness between the two partners or they're both essentially 11's the access to casual sex disparity is immense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:43 AM
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I'm not against people doing open relationships so long as everybody involve has it communicated clearly and there's a sensible, sane structure. I just personally feel like the juice of occasional casual sex (which I'd have to spend an inordinate amount of time hunting) isn't worth the increased risks to a monogamous structure that works well enough for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/23 04:42 AM
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Just out of curiosity is this with communication about sex/actively trying to improve it, or just hoping that it'll magically get better one day?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/23 08:19 AM
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You're talking about morbid/disability-level obesity, which is more of a ? I'm sure there is eventually a tipping point but I think it's probably further out than you'd think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:27 AM
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There's likely a tipping point of morbidity where it's no longer the case, but I know some big girls who still get plenty of likes. Lizzo-big is still getting DMs on Tinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:25 AM
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she may legitimately struggle to find 10 sexual partners during her lifetime You've clearly never been onto the dating app of an unattractive female friend. It's insane how low the floor is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 07:22 AM
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Yes but it's less likely to get back to whatever their community of choice is and thereby be called out by family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:59 AM
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When you build a super sexual atmosphere like that (or weird one) suddenly you're bringing a lot of expectations onto the actual meeting. That can scare people. Honestly that's something I've noticed where girls will have a random night of online horniness then attempt to completely disavow anybody they've been chatting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:01 AM
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It's the same as people claiming Bilzerian made all his money as a Poker pro when it's like... he had no significant tournament cashes, nobody in the cashgame scene knew him and his explanation was some sort of convoluted 'Somehow I convinced a billionaire fish to play me headsup until I had $50 million' insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:24 PM
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Better to overswing (within reason) than to underswing. Even if you miss it's likely to be less frustrating than getting the fizzle outcome, and it's going to give you more actionable feedback.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:21 PM
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You're generally better off having gone a notch too hard than a notch too soft (within reason). Also from girl friends some of the signals they send out are fucking insanity, so guys who just swing blind will sometimes manage to blind luck their way into a receptive woman who thinks it's due to her superior whims but mostly since the guy's horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:19 PM
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There's just not that much money in low-mid level European kickboxing. Coaching possibly but the purses these guys are fighting for (and they have to pay coaches/training expenses/travel etc) are not huge. It's possible he made contacts/'extracurricular links' through his kickboxing but there's just not that much money in it as a direct sport. He may have made a living for a bit but it's not like it's some NFL or Boxing deal where a year or two will net you 8 figures to do whatever else with. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 01:16 PM
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I think that's generally leading to you getting noped on the first date, if it's after 2 or 3 it's more likely to do with lack of escalation or other behavioral issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:49 PM
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I think that both you and OP are true. Women will do their best to make themselves available if they want you, but if you do not follow through or fail to pick up signals for whatever time period you are going to miss your window and that's it. I've had girls throw themselves at my physically, misinterpreted and then the window slams shut and there's no fixing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:48 PM
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Really don't think this is the case. Had girls pivot from practically hammering down the door to totally disinterested due to either not escalating hard enough, or god forbid turning down one of their escalations. I'm sure there are a lot of cases where it's just 'girl gives a guy 2 or 3 chances before calling it quits' but any guy who's dated a bunch will have seen instances where they just missed their window or somehow created an ick in the formative stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:45 PM
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Yeah. Too many other participants in Online dating to make that metagame work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:32 PM
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Men do it but it's more fuckzoning than friendzoning generally
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:31 PM
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Would be shocked if he made any significant money off his kickboxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 12:29 PM
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If you've got the resources and want to be childfree/it's not disruptive of your children on account of their age, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:18 PM
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Yeah. Nothing wrong with the lifestyle I just wouldn't take the risk-reward balance myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 11:08 AM
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Feel free to open your relationship but the juice doesn't seem worth the squeeze as somebody who's looking to just find a singular nice woman and raise a family with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 10:46 AM
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It is legitimately possible to be too busy for a relationship, but why date in the first place if that's the case? Also frankly generally that excuse is more for 'I will only send a text every 72 hours' as opposed to 'You're demanding 50 hours of my time a week'
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:59 AM
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Some people I suppose are genuinely happy with their bodies at a higher weight, and even in the name of self-improvement there’s no reason to change something you like about yourself. I guess but like I know girl friends who sink huge amounts of time and money into skincare, makeup and fashion with intent of doing better at dating when it's like... there's an elephant in the room and most guys either don't care or fashion sense is the difference between a 3 and a 3.5 whereas just getting to a he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:53 AM
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True. Girls do definitely focus on glowup. Though something that's always perplexed me a bit is when I've met girls who'll dedicate huge amounts of time and money to skincare/fashion/makeup but won't address the fact they're dramatically overweight. Like in the vast majority of cases simply focusing on getting to a healthy bodyfat % is going to do way more for you with the opposite sex than any level of fashionsense or skincare.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 04:39 AM
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I do okay on the apps and I agree, but there's still a bunch of choice paralysis that comes from an abundance when it's like '6 with her shit together versus 8 who's slightly messy but on good trajectory versus 9 that's a complete clusterfuck'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 02:15 PM
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A lot of the time the issue is that 'what a girl can get' is confused for 'best guy who's been going full-out lovebombing to get laid then ghosts'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 01:21 PM
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I’d use them everyday for maybe a month or two, get burnt out and decide I’m happy single, and not use them for 3 months, repeat. Exactly. I've prettymuch been told by women that I/us not working out was their last straw for a given cycle and then they're off for a while. I do think there's definitely an aspect of ego inflation, but most women are just looking for somebody decent to click with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:33 AM
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I've been dating for the sake of finding a longterm partner, so I've had a few things where it's gotten a few dates along and then there's been a no from me and/or them but we've kept on good terms. And, yeah, it's something I've really noticed where a lot of the girls I've dated (who also have similar intent) will just seem to use the apps for a month or two and either land a relationship or burnout before taking 6 months off to recharge. It's also a matter of pretenses. Most of the time I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:05 AM
6

Exactly. Girl friends have told me this where their stints on the apps tend to burnout after a month or two after getting lovebombed or played a few times
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 07:38 AM
9

For men, no. Men above a certain attractiveness I'd say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 07:36 AM
1

Exactly, or assume that it's safe since one/both are in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:46 PM
3

Yeah. The amount of times I've seen guys try to get open relationships/break up with decent girls since they confuse 'girls are nicer to me when I'm taken' with 'I've actually become more attractive' is concerningly high. Also guys not realizing that that play-flirting is frequently about the girl knowing that the guy is harmless so the second there's an actual possibility of action it dissolves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:33 AM
1

Europe's a huge place. Norms in Rural Finland =/= Norms in Working Class England =/= Norms in Southern Spain. Though same can be said for the USA. Dating practices in a small town in the Deep South aren't the same as NYC dating norms
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 02:18 AM
1

Depends at what point and what you're doing 'wrong' I think there's definitely a point where the hook is sufficiently embedded, but a small amount of social awkwardness can do far more to incinerate a girl's interest than a huge amount of assholery.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:44 AM
3

'Take a good look at your situation, think hard on what you need to fix and then work towards it' applies to everybody, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:42 AM
2

Women are either getting relationships or sufficiently shit experiences to lapse for a couple months before trying again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:34 AM
1

Or just date for a bit and either find somebody to monogamize or have sufficient accumulated bad experiences they quit for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:32 AM
4

Eh. In my experience girls are more likely to opt out whilst single, or just go through random sprints of dating apps. From a few fizzled dating things that have turned to friendships, I've noticed a trend of 'Girl opens app, girl gets infinity matches, girl dates until sufficient bad experiences to sour them or finding a partner, girl then deletes until the relationship runs its course or they feel like braving the swamp again'. Guys more eternally optimistic between relationships in my experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:31 AM
1

Yeah. Women are super 100-0 in attraction. Once the hook's in it's full explaining away everything until one day the ick hits and it's a hard pivot from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:24 AM
5

I feel like a good chunk of people have the north star of finding their soulmate/longterm partner but are happy to just leave it off at casual if there's an ick or somebody falls into the dead zone between 'would fuck' and 'fuck yeah'
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 01:07 AM
2

Yeah. I've flitted in and out of job titles that are generically high-class such as 'Consultant' or 'Tech Consultant' and more specific about working in low-status industries like gambling with similar levels of advancement. It's night and day in terms of match rate and interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 03:36 AM
2

Female initiation is more about putting yourself in positions of availability/vulnerability than actually taking front foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:36 AM
4

Yeah. If you're getting the 'No Spark' after date 1 it's probably a physical attractiveness issue. If you're getting the 'No Spark' after date 3 it's a 'why are you failing to escalate the stakes/play the game' issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:35 AM
17

A lot of the time it's a matter of windows as well. She started friendly, got flirty for a random 7 day period of interest, then overthinks your non-response to her 'abundant hints' and quashes her attraction and goes back to friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:32 AM
21

I've heard just as many stories of: "he didn't notice all the blatant hints I was into him" as I have "he flirted with me when I was just trying to be friendly." Having talked to girls who are trying to make 'blatant hints' at guys, what they assume is gonna be blatant is hilarious. Had a great conversation the other day. Girl friend is into Guy A, and giving him plenty of attention/smiles... then gets it into her head that she also needs to start doing the same thing to his close friends to ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 07:30 AM
1

Personally I care more about the career stuff than necessarily the amount they're making. I'd rather date a teacher making 80k but working on an actual career trajectory and keeping busy as opposed to a feet pic influencer making 1 mil for 5 hours a week. It's just a marker for attitude to life, intelligence and a few other things which I'm looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:44 AM
2

Yeah. It's more about being willing to say yes to advances than about 120 hour binges of raves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:40 AM
1

That's also increasingly the thing. I make a decent income but I want a partner who is a partner not an additional dependent. Dual income households are increasingly the norm for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 03:27 AM
6

Depends a lot on the geographic context, who you're trying to pull & how commercial you make the relationship. $350k in the Midwest & offering to sponsor the girl's life and you can pull. $350k in NYC trying to date fellow upper-middle/upper-class and wanting to split checks...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 01:02 AM
2

Generally I'm doing coffee first date as a 'do you actually exist' test then second date is the start of anything romantic. So usually end/mid second.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 02:22 AM
12

Still not every guy's swinging that hard on a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:31 AM
0

In my experience if I'm not pressing for a girl to put out by date 3 I'm going to get told 'Oh I didn't feel the romantic tension/chemistry'. Plenty of times I'd be perfectly comfortable taking it slow but experience has taught me that I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:26 AM
1

6ft guys: I’m 5’2. Physically I do not fit in any comfortable way, from dancing, to bending over to kiss me, sex can be really awkward, even making eye contact is a chore. I prefer men who are pretty much my height, to like 5’8ish Yeah legit. I'm a big 6'3 and try not to date below a height floor since it just makes a bunch of activities impractical
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:25 AM
1

Still chemistry's happening on a spectrum. Like I've done a bunch of first dates this year, had one where it was a fullout 'fuck yeah' after 1, probably 20% where it was like 'I enjoyed her company and want to keep going' and a bunch where I just felt no click.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:23 PM
2

True. Just most guys don't have the luxury whilst the vast majority of girls do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:20 PM
2

True, true. I don't tend to talk about my stuff either, with anybody, unless I feel I need to, but I know it's in my back pocket as my "welp, this has gone south real quick, might as well be honest and see what happens" last resort "let's see how if I can re-roll the dice on this situation" button. Can't say I expect it to do anything good most of the time, but at least it's an explanation as to why you might not be quite what they expect, instead of just generic "this guy's weird", and who know…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:24 AM
1

I'll be honest, I wouldn't even mind getting a few female friends out of the deal, if they're legit about actually being friends. It's not like I'd be invested in them by that point, or somehow infatuated enough to be massively disappointed that they're just a friend afterwards. Of course, that does require that they're honest and not just saying it as a get-out clause, when they're just going to ghost. But hey, I'd consider it a perk if I could meet a couple of them again and just hang out. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:29 AM
1

Yeah. Main issue can be the psychological framing, especially if you're doing bulk dates. I ran into the 2nd/3rd 'I think of you as a friend'/I realized you're not normal wall enough times that I just tend to be pretty easy come/easy go about it which can give unintentional fuckboy vibes. Exactly my point. I mean I'm not going to go around telling girls what the actual deal is except in unusual circumstances, but I've also generally been ended things on a positive note when it does happen. I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:40 AM
2

I'm fortunate enough to look pretty great/tick a lot of boxes 'on paper' so I could get enough first dates to grind through it, and I know that a lot of guys will struggle to get that foot in the door. I'm fortunate enough to have enough stuff going for me that I can get matches/dates/girls being into me enough to actually broadcast clear interest But it's still just something you have to push through. I sucked on first dates for a bit, worked through that. Sucked at escalating intimacy, worked …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:27 AM
7

Yeah. Nothing against sexwork as a concept (so long as it's consensual etc) but just can't make it work for myself mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:21 AM
6

99% of the time it'll be fine, but it is possible if they decide to push it/get vindictive you're fucked anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:08 AM
3

Similar baseline condition and like exposure therapy works with dating as well. I decided to put myself out there this year, ended up going on a lot of first dates and have slowly managed to wean myself off the anxiousness. Yes, it's a pity I probably blew up some potential good things in the earlygoing, but also if they were willing to be a bit more patient and understanding...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:07 AM
5

Yeah. Gotta feel out where the line is, but generally you're going to get better results by 'playing until the whistle' rather than trying to stay well clear of the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:05 AM
1

Chubby/overweight
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:13 PM
2

Still there's gonna be a 24 hour period in there or whatever of it dawning on the person, which is kinda dickish. Eventually it'll sink in but that maybe period sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:12 PM
1

Yeah. Looks is more of a Yes/No thing, then it's down to energy and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:07 PM
10

Also frankly as a guy if you ever fail to match a girl's lead in early stages of dating, you are fucked. Girls don't take 'no' or 'I'd like to know you better' well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:05 PM
4

Yeah but even those guys are likely experiencing Oneitis for other random hot girls depending on their exact tastes and how they've interacted with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:58 PM
1

Hot enough probably isn't the right phrasing but like 'all men can be simps if it's triggered the right way'. Vibe compliments physical attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 02:58 PM
1

Also guys are probably more likely to just go 'fuck it, she's a few points below and if it doesn't work no great loss' with girls they're a fair bit more attractive than.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:29 AM
2

Yeah. Can be dealt with but you're going to have to go through pain, take care to optimize your appearance/vibes and still gonna hit a bunch of 2nd/3rd dates where the girl realizes you're not quite all there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 06:15 AM
1

Also people just have different standards of attractiveness/preference different attributes. I know friends who consider certain girls 10's that I'd consider 7's and vice-versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 01:40 PM
2

Yeah. Not frequently and generally a result of a big mismatch in attractiveness but like occasionally I've met girls who'll take on the chasing role after a date or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 01:28 PM
1

It's more 'if I really like a girl and it's early stages I'm going to be more dump-avoidant than sex-pursuing'. Like if coming on strong is gonna be a 50-50 between getting laid on the second date with a girl who's wife material/actually romantically interesting or absolutely torching the relationship it's just not gonna seem as worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 12:46 PM
1

Yeah. It's all a sliding scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 12:44 PM
2

Yeah. There's a pretty massive range between 'I enjoy this girl's company but she is not wife/girlfriend material but I'll smash as long as she's available with minimal effort' to 'You killed my father, prepare to die'
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 12:43 PM
4

Girl initiates making out/starts pushing towards sex and I'm not in the mood, then immediately it's death to any prospective relationship even if trying to explain it afterwards. From talking through it with girl friends I understand that most girls essentially assume that guys are permanently horny and that by denying them I essentially shattered the self image of these women (who I generally found attractive, I just don't like fucking/going too hard on first dates)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 01:33 PM
10

Of course, I agree, but if girls found themselves in guys' shoes and reacted as poorly as they do when denied...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 10:28 AM
26

Then there's the biggest issue men have: pulling the trigger. Women have absolutely no guilt about initiating sexual escalation. Women don't see sex as bad, they see creeps as bad, and because they don't think of themselves as being capable of being creepy, they will pull the trigger 100% of the time, every time. It does break womens' brains a bit if they're not getting matched on their escalation, though. I've had a bunch of things go badly sideways since I've wanted to go slower than a girl an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 07:07 AM
2

Isn't that a natural byproduct of the process, though? They're less dependent on being good talkers, and there's likely positive filtering on getting a date to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 03:19 AM
3

I do agree that people aren't intentionally going on first dates with people that they find ugly but also frankly the first date reveals a lot which photos don't. But, still, if you've managed to get to date 2 you've probably passed the attractiveness test which is why I'm confused by sentiments like OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:16 PM
5

I mean if you're crashing out on the 2nd/3rd date mark for lack of escalation or fucking it up, it's probably not gonna be a physical attraction issue. I'd expect the physical attraction wall to be the first date for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:13 AM
7

Exactly, even as a guy there's been plenty of first dates where I'd consider the girl conventionally attractive and yet I didn't push for a second since I didn't feel much interpersonal dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:12 AM
3

Do feel like there's a bunch of late bloomers I know where status was equivalent in HS but it's out of whack now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 06:34 AM
7

Plus not wanting to confuse friendliness for romantic overtures just since somebody's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 10:33 AM
7

Especially when guys learn from experience that attractive girl being proactive with attention usually = scam/sales technique. My immediate assumption when I'm being given unprompted positive attention from a pretty girl is 'what's in it for her'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:41 AM
1

Guys reject via fuckzoning, girls reject via actually rejecting contact. Or atleast guys operate a zone of like 'will tolerate to bang but will not have a relationship with' which doesn't really operate in the same way for women. Plus guys get essentially trained into the mindset that attractive women proactively approaching them aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. There's an inherent urge to look the gift horse in the mouth. If I'm on a dating app and a girl who's of similar/gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:36 AM
3

It raises alarm bells in us. Yeah immediate urge to look a gift horse in the mouth, especially if it's in online dating or a 'pick uppy' kind of an area.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:41 AM
6

Depends on context, though. If a girl starts going strong in online dating there's kind of an immediate 'fuck is this a scam' response in the brain.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:39 AM
7

Exactly. Dude sprinted/lovebombed to get there then bailed since he didn't want to keep maintaining the pretense to stay with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:59 AM
2

Yeah. Same. I'm not conceptually against the idea of a video call but it feels a bit neurotic/uncomfortable and I'd rather just do a coffee.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:34 AM
1

Not saying every 'blue-haired liberal' is that. I just feel like when I see those 3 words I expect a very particular archetype of person. Same way if a person on the Left probably pictures Cletus when they say 'gun owner'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:59 PM
1

I feel like the conception of 'blue-haired liberal' implies poundage, outspokeness, tattoos and habits in my mind. I'd be surprised if these conservative guys would be turning down a blue-haired liberal voter if she was otherwise a 9.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 02:51 PM
3

I mean if you ask a guy what he's been attracted by in the past, then present him with a girl who ticks all/most of the boxes, he's probably more likely to be into her than a complete random.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 01:38 PM
2

How many of each gender are single? Like the presences of couples is inherently going to skew it towards 50/50 but that's kind of a false statistic if you're looking to bump into a potential relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:48 PM
2

It appears as though unless you’re fortunate enough to meet someone through school, work, or mutual friends (i.e., places you already frequent on a day-to-day basis), you’re SOL without resorting to OLD. Gone are the days when men could approach women in broad daylight; redpillers talking about day game and cold approach are coping. And let’s not forget it isn’t a good idea to date at work. The reality is that OLD becomes far more significant when accounting for these factors. Honestly it's hard…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:15 AM
1

Small towns gonna small town, especially if you had an awkward phase early in life and you're not really aiming to reach out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 08:08 AM
1

Less inhibition? More likely to engage in unprotected sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 12:11 AM
7

For most men however, it's quite literally a "would fuck" or "would not fuck" I think it's more 'guys assign a level of sexual value to a girl which represents roughly how far out of their way they'll go to secure it'. That ranges from 'I would not stop myself if I was falling penis-first into her' all the way to 'crawl through a mile of broken glass to hear her fart through a walkie talkie'. Girls feel a lot more 100-0 in my experience, as somebody who's seen how the ick etc operates first hand…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:53 PM
2

Exactly. Tinder Swindler had fake achievements/resources, but real confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:50 PM
2

What's your gender/sexual inclination? Like I kinda agree the spectrum of male sexual attractiveness has a lower average which means that like... A 40 in absolute attractiveness terms for a man is a 6, whilst a 65 for a woman in absolute attractiveness terms is a 6 since it's grading on a different curve.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:20 AM
7

Yes I’m talking about long term relationships Kinda tricky to assign leagues these days since girls date up, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:24 AM
15

Womens standards are stricter because of safety Is swiping left on a boring guy due to safety? Like I do agree that there's greater risks for women in terms of violence, but the behavior that'd do the most to mitigate that violence isn't what's being selected for. Watching my girl friends swipe there's plenty of lefts on guys who are almost entirely harmless. most average looking women cannot easily date someone more attractive than them (or even at the same level as them) Specifically date as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:09 AM
1

Honestly main thing I've learned/observed from female friends is how strong the Pedestal-to-Ick effect can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:53 AM
1

Still you're opting out of a far smaller chunk of the population than a girl who won't date under 6'0. She's essentially barring the majority of men, whilst you're filtering out a pretty tiny %. Also what's the chances of you being in a situation where it'd actually make an active difference? 6'0+ girl you'd otherwise find attractive pursuing you zealously and you turn them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:50 AM
1

Lovebombing has success, but pure simpery/white knights don't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:24 PM
2

Kind of a combo of both, though. Guys looking for casual sex with strangers who do so via going TURBOSIMP for a few dates and then ghosting have ruined dating. Inevitably most girls have experiences where a guy was absolute Prince Charming for however long it took to get laid then vanished, so they're expecting an unsustainable level of treatment and kinda inspired confusion
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 12:23 PM
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Especially as a guy, I've had multiple dating situations die since I've tried to take things slow in order to feel out something I think is potentially proper long term... and then it short circuits the girl's brain that I'm not storming the barricades instantaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 11:28 AM
2

I've had girl friends straight up say that men focusing on their enjoyment is a turnoff. Obviously some weird repressive cultural norms internalized there, but like... what's a guy supposed to do in the face of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:39 PM
6

You make good points; but in my experience, most women are absolutely hot garbage about communicating their sexual want and needs - or even understanding what they are in the first place. The amount of girls who get actively icked by guys asking what they're into/trying to accommodate for their idiosyncratic preferences is fucking insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 12:49 PM
1

Still risk-reward is a lot harder, especially if it's in a corporate environment. One thing if you're at the same part-time retail job as a teen/early-20s and can do it semi-respectfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:37 AM
2

Like ideal world I'd be happy gearing up to focus on a good fit after 3 or 4 dates, but the metagame makes that difficult when I've gotta assume that they aren't sitting on 10,000 matches of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:59 AM
7

Also it's just far easier to keep constant feelers out than go through a stop-start of '3-4 dates/month in with Girl A, oops she's ghosted/flaked for no real reason, start again cold'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:06 PM
5

Not really. I'm looking for serious commitment, but I'm also not gonna drop dating randoms till atleast 3-4 dates in/an exclusivity conversation has happened. I've had something that was going great completely sour or ghost too many times to want to put all my eggs in one basket until there's some proper momentum behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 09:05 PM
1

If I'm sitting in an otherwise-monogamous relationship and my girlfriend, apropos of nothing, says 'I want to open the relationship' I assume she's going to be wanting to pursue casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 08:52 PM
4

I've never understood the logic. Like I understand as a girl if you're not 100% in the mood you might get a bit theatrical to get it over with quicker, but some of the stories that I heard from female friends where there was a lot of 'Partner did something totally useless, Girl gave him strong positive feedback, he does it more often and then 2 months later she's complaining since he's spending 10 mins every session massaging her left pinkie toe since he thinks it sends her into ecstasy'
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:50 PM
2

This increases the chance of perforation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:18 PM
8

This thought process assumes that your sex life is like a video game with XP and as soon as you pass a certain level you'll be compatible with any woman who comes your way. Yeah. Ton of initial compatibility can be luck of the draw between what a guy's picked up and what a girl's into, especially if there's a lack of two-way adult communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:17 PM
5

Yeah. Talking to female friends, I've always been amazed how many just don't think they should ever have an adult conversation with their partners about what they enjoy in bed. Especially if it's stuff like 'oh can we go a bit heavier on X, lighter on Y and Z doesn't do anything for me' not 'I need to open this relationship to 28 men to manifest any moistness'. My ex's friends even frequently provided positive reinforcement to behavior they didn't like via faking orgasms etc and it's like... no …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 08:16 PM
1

Depends on subreddit and content.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:51 PM
1

Cheers if it works for you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 05:35 PM
1

I remember seeing chatlogs and there was a lot of 'you are the most beautiful woman I've ever met, I can see a future' chat
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:03 AM
2

Yeah but if a woman is asking 'can we open up our relationship' I assume she's going to go seek them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:40 AM
2

Massive difference in hookup accessibility unless the dude is like top 1% attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:39 AM
2

As a guy it just doesn't make logical sense to go ENM unless you're top tier attractive due to the massive disparity in casual sex accessibility between genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 09:37 AM
2

Girls inherently pedestalize the guys they're into, even if it makes no coherent sense. The amount of times I've had a girl friend act as though the random 4/10 they've picked is somehow a player... oh dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:29 PM
6

I mean the argument is that West Elm Caleb was using the pretense of being deeply passionately into the girls in order to get laid, whilst I'm guessing jilted woman wanting to get laid isn't misleading random dudes into thinking they're gonna get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:21 PM
5

I'd imagine you want an audience avatar and the audience for mid reality TV dating shows trends towards females of size.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 10:20 PM
2

Even if she was below average she'd be capable of putting together similar numbers, just probably a tier lower in terms of the guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:17 AM
2

I mean it's an inherently catch 22 situation where 'girl who is willing to lead' is going to have more take-up unless you're in some hypothetical perfect milieu where you're the only dude they've ever found attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:13 AM
2

Former'd get more matches on dating apps but you'd be amazed how quickly you can disintegrate that interest through awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:09 AM
2

What counts as 'trying dating', though? Somebody can have online dating accounts from 20 onwards, but not put any real effort into their appearance/vibe/making themselves passably attractive which means they won't really get any meaningful experience aside from a fleeting convo every 2 months.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:34 AM
3

I mean it's more of a 'gotta lie on your resume to get an entry level job' situation than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:32 AM
2

Exactly. Open relationship doesn't work for the guy unless you're a literal 10 or far out of the league of your initial partner (and they'll still have way more access to NSA/casual stuff than you)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:28 AM
4

Especially if there's anything close to relationship parity, or god forbid he's punching up. I've seen similar from friends where it's like... they're a 4 guy (who peaked in HS) with a 7 girl (who's a bit of a late bloomer) who've been together since high school, and yet the guy doesn't understand how difficult it'd be for them to get an equivalently attractive girlfriend through online dating. Yes I understand that your girlfriend's friend who's a 7.5 has flirted occasionally/is nice to you sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:27 AM
1

Women tend to be more transitory users in my experience from talking to friends. Either they get on, find somebody to go boyfriend/marry/whatever and delete after a month or two. Or they get on, have enough shitty experiences and delete for a year. Guys have way more of an eternal optimism thing going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:14 AM
1

There's a perverse incentive where generally the best way to get casual sex is to present as being all-in on a relationship for 2-3 dates then just bail. I feel like dudes are assuming that 'chad' is just straight up saying 'want sum fuk' and girls are immediately going for it, when a lot of the time it's closer to the West Elm Caleb thing where he was lovebombing the hell out of girls + a 9 in attractiveness on top of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:13 AM
1

Yeah. Guys swiping tends to be more 'There are no obvious fuck no's' than 'Fuck yeah I want that girl 1000%' since even a good male match-rate is going to be around 1/20.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:11 AM
1

Yeah. Selectivity increases, and way less tolerance for any deviation in the feeling out stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 04:10 AM
1

I think he's talking more about how a 7 guy trying to pursue a LTR with a 7 girl could find himself gated from said LTR since she's got 10,000 potential partners through the magic of dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 11:55 AM
2

Yeah. Similar experience with Aspergers Girl friends where they've been strungalong ad infinitum for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/22 07:38 AM
5

I've got a few close female and the amount of times I've seen from a bystander POV when they've gone literally from 'Boyfriend is on pedestal/future husband' to 'Ex is refuse' within 12 hours is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 01:52 AM
2

She's communicating it, you're just attached to the image in your mind. If a person isn't really talking a lot and they were, unless they give some indication of sudden tragedy or being busy, the message is there. It is, but it still takes a bit to sink in/people are generally going to be optimistic about their chances with a paramour even if it's clear that things are fucked. Is wanting a 'I'm not interested, goodbye' text really equal to going out of one's way? Even 'ewwwww no' would be better…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 01:55 PM
1

I remember pointing out to a friend before, “you ever noticed that hot girls never have looking for long term in their preferences? It’s always ugly girls” On the other hand it's possible that hot girls just don't stay on the longterm market for very long before getting snapped up? The girls you're seeing week-after-week who are looking for longterm & struggling are inherently gonna be more visible than somebody who can get a search done beginning-to-end in a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:26 AM
3

I'm not saying pumping and dumping is okay. I'm saying that OP's conception is probably along those lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:16 AM
2

True, they do! Just would be nice both ways if there was adult communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 11:14 AM
5

I think the issue OP is having is the different conceptions of what each gender wants. When a guy does it, he's just seeing it as 'Oh dude faked it to get laid, as is the dudely prerogative, this makes sense to me' When a girl does it, especially when there's no obvious 'She used me to get X' motivation it's harder for OP to comprehend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:36 AM
3

I mean she's not really communicating the same thing with ghosting, especially if it's breadcrumbing. The end result is the same, but like generally sparing the other person a week or two of 'are they just busy' emotional engagement is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:29 AM
1

Stuff like texting behavior, though. I'm sure most guys dating have had the whole 'girl spams paragraphs after date 2 then 2 weeks later it's one word responses' thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:15 AM
12

Yeah. OP's not perfect, but also girls will go from 100-0 in an instant if/when they get 'the ick' for any amount of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:15 AM
1

Still, most guys will have stories of girls pivoting wildly from totally besotted to totally dead on them without their baseline attributes really changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:39 PM
13

It does do that already, it's just not really a match. Showing a 4/10 woman to a 4/10 guy doesn't work since the 4/10 woman will still get approached by horny 7/10's if they're willing to be a sidepiece. Meanwhile there's not an opposing, equivalent trade in 7/10 girls going with 4/10 guys as sneaky link. Without even getting into the population mismatch itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 12:36 PM
2

Also I think the average PPD male user don't realize that the 'Chad Thundercock' who's getting the casual sex is probably not posing as being purely into casual stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 11:49 AM
3

If they're looking for a longterm relationship and find somebody who fits their niche, it's only gonna take a couple weeks. Elsewise they'll pick up enough bad experiences they'll just delete in the same cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 05:42 AM
5

Yeah. That tracks with what I've heard. Couple weeks is enough to experience enough awful thirst messages, get catfished a few times and maybe get ghosted by somebody who lovebombed/misrepresented their intentions in order to get laid. Most of my longterm single girl friends seem to have 1 month on, 1 year off patterns of app usage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 05:40 AM
3

From girl friends it's almost the opposite for the longterm single non-app users. They download the app, it takes them a week to have 2 or 3 awful experiences and then the app gets deleted for a year whilst the girl either focuses on other things or takes some sort of 'Mr Right will happen to me one day in my day to day life' tact. Generally said experiences being a combo of getting catfished, people going absurdly horny and/or getting lovebombed once or twice
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 05:37 AM
1

I just tend to do coffees for first dates, and personally would feel completely outlandish trying to hold a coffee over a woman's head. Like it's one thing if it's a massive outlay or something spectacular where I'd expect a split, but a coffee's a couple$
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:09 PM
2

Yeah. Bunch of relationships founded in high school/college where one partner was a late bloomer and/or went spectacularly off-the-rails but it just kind of ticks along on inertia.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 03:12 PM
3

Even comparing the standards of Boy Bands between eras. The Beatles & Monkees are great, but they hardly had a % of the image beautification that's been done with modern KPop
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 01:27 PM
1

Sometimes you just get unfortunate with timing windows. Had a great first date the other day, then a week later she decides to go exclusive with some other guy that she was on like date 8 with. Not much you can really do in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:35 AM
1

Or they're just happy play-flirting with a guy they have no actual intention of doing anything with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 03:33 AM
1

Also, usually a partner doesn’t propose this unless he/she thinks they’re the hotter one. You’d never propose this if you thought your partner could easily find better than you. Lot of guys get a random delusion about how attractive they are whilst in a relationship. Combination of girls letting their guards down around their friends' boyfriends, receiving more playful flirtation, and just distance from the dating game means that they remember the good bits whilst forgetting the tedium and strug…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:43 AM
1

Yeah. I've seen male friends try opening their relationships to soft-cheat on their girlfriends, then get owned. It's always good schadenfraude.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:41 AM
2

I mean in my experience the guyfriends I know who have tried to open their relationships have generally done it with a fuckbuddy in mind. The main issue being is that that prospective fuckbuddy frequently seems to turn out to be a mirage and/or a girl just playing with him. I've seen variants on 'guy demands open relationship, girl doesn't want it but reluctantly agrees, guy gets open relationship and finds out the grass is not greener, girl is suddenly awash in dick, guy fruitlessly tries to un…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 08:27 AM
4

Degree of difficulty goes down pretty steeply if you're trying to present as in for the long-haul for a couple dates then bail. Especially since it means the dude can/will just be as fake as possible during that period since they're not actually trying to establish anything long-term. Give yourself a promotion or two, dress up a bit and live your best life for 3-4 dates whilst telling them what they want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:58 AM
4

It's more 'presenting yourself as a strong, invested LTR candidate for 3 dates, getting laid & ghosting' is easier than actually getting casual sex on its own merits. I've talked to girl friends about their experiences and it seems there's a pretty frequent trend of people lovebombing like that. On the other hand, it also raises the question of how many people come into the relationship with actual intention of something serious and find that they just don't like the other person enough after a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 05:55 AM
1

I think that there is definitely a phenomenon of people intentionally Lovebombing/playing up Romantic interest to get laid, but on the other hand there's also going to be people who came in with a real intention to develop a romantic relationship who just ended up not being that into somebody after a couple dates and/or sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 02:16 PM
13

Not exactly how the bottleneck worked. It's more that only 1/17 lines of male descent managed to survive. It'd be more 'there are two competing tribes, both getting laid with their own women. Tribe A wins a war and wipes out Tribe B's male population but takes their women'. Rinse and repeat that a bunch of times and only 1/17 male lines survive but it wasn't literally 'only 1/17 men got laid'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 05:49 AM
2

There's kinda layers though. Passes in a curated dating platform worth of pictures =/= passes in person or by the other person doing any due diligence on socials
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 06:39 AM
1

Definitely diminishing returns at a point, but yeah you're gonna have a lot more shots on goal with abs than whilst being obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 12:07 PM
1

What's the terms of the switch? Is it just facial aesthetics? Bodytype? Height? Race?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/22 05:20 AM
2

I've always assumed it was more 'I acknowledge this thing but I do not wish to continue the conversation', but maybe I've been misreading people since I feel like it's only become a 'thing' in the last 2-3 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:23 AM
0

I suppose if you're on dating apps or hanging out in places where people are looking for hookups you're going to get an over representation of Poly people?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 11:13 PM
1

Yeah but the issue with online dating is that there's little to no barrier to people lying or wildly exaggerating on those topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 12:17 PM
6

Most guys are also going to struggle to really pin down male attractiveness outside of a few broad tiers. I can tell the difference between a Male 1/10, 5/10 and 10/10 but I'm gonna struggle to tell the difference between a Male 6/10 & 7.5/10 especially when there's a significant factor of taste involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 07:05 AM
19

Exactly. Anybody who's willing to dramatically overbid for a gram of attention from the opposite sex is contributing to fucking the market for everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 10:46 AM
1

Decent amount of them are literally prostitutes/escorts who were paid for their time, too. Changes the dynamic a bit when it's literally a paid service to put on a front.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:51 PM
1

Yeah. I'm sure that a decent amount of the time it is the 'putting on a front for sex' thing, but there's still plenty of people who come in with a real, actual intention of finding a longterm relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:23 PM
11

Exactly. Even the more relationshippy-apps still struggle with people acting in bad faith. Also there seems to be a lack of acknowledgement that people do legitimately get a few dates in whilst looking for a longterm relationship, sleep with the other person and no longer wish to pursue the relationship any further.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 11:32 AM
4

Exactly. The amount of 'person agrees to FWB arrangement with hopes of winning the other person over, then gets super sad 6 months later when it doesn't work' I've seen personally is staggering. Even/especially cases where the expectation was communicated from day 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:07 AM
3

They're still attractive, but they're not 'Ohmygod you are the world's sexiest man' attractive in 2021.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 01:58 PM
13

I mean https://c8.alamy.com/comp/C5BKPH/sean-connery-representing-scotland-in-the-1953-mr-universe-contest-C5BKPH.jpg Mr Universe back in 1953 when Sean Connery won it versus prettymuch any fitness IG muscleguy these days. Without even making the direct comparison to 2019 Mr. Universe since that's wandered towards the grotesque instead of 'men who are attractive to women' Obviously 60 years is a big gap, but compare it to the female side. https://static.messynessychic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 11:54 AM
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And I feel like some guys may genuinely come in with the intention/dream of a longterm stable relationship, but if it takes them 5 dates to get a feel for a girl and she's putting out on the second date...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:51 AM
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I mean what are their intentions? If a guy meets a girl, is genuinely looking for a longterm relationship, but feel that they're no longer interested in the girl after say 4 or 5 dates for whatever reason, were they lying in the first place? That partly the issue with the rush to sex is that if you're doing it in the first couple meetings that there's a greater risk of 'he's just not that into you'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:51 AM
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I mean if she'd been making him wait for sex in a quasi-relationship, and then he sleeps with a random girl whilst drunk... I'm fairly sure her response would not be 'I'm happy for you, we weren't official!'
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:47 AM
1

I mean whenever I hear the dating woes of my female friends, generally I feel they'd go a long way to fixing their issues with a combo of putting out less and losing weight. It's generally some combination of 'I got pump and dump'd' (Stop sleeping with guys on the first/second date) and 'Guys keep wanting to stay friends but don't feel the chemistry' (Stop cat/anglefishing) Not that they wouldn't graduate onto new, exciting issues
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 01:35 PM
14

Fair enough. Nothing wrong with enjoying a consensually mutually-enjoyable sex act. I'm more against people pressuring their partners into it endlessly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 01:46 AM
37

Yeah. Like there's a perfectly good hole right next to it that's actually designed to have things going into it. I get why it's been fetishized, but I've just never really seen the fascination or how the sensation is worth the prepwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 11:21 PM
2

And they're in suits for some sort of formal posed photograph.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 02:36 AM
2

And the lines for consent, chauvinism & racism were a lot blurrier 60-70 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/21 02:34 AM
5

Dating was a slow process, Honestly I'd say partners are harder to replace, but also these days there's a lot more permissiveness towards vague multi-year boyfriend/girlfriend relationships. There's just an ever-widening chasm in the modern era between 'dating' and marriage, IMO. Back in the day, if you made it to a year or so... It was a lot more expected that a proposal'd be forthcoming, whilst I'm almost a decade out of High School now and there's still couples from HS in my outer social awar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/21 12:53 PM
0

How much of that is gonna be correlated with socioeconomic issues and access to healthcare, though? I'd imagine the countries/areas where there's a greater incidence of 15 years old having children tend to trend more towards the developing world and/or poorer areas of the developed world. Could be a case where a significant factor is more 'The places where 15 years olds being pregnant is more common tend to have worse healthcare', which'd match with birthrates in the West plummeting and the aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 04:01 AM
2

Status, and degrees of attraction. I'm mostly talking about guys who'd get very little forward, positive sexual attention normally so having pussy-on-call is a sufficient novelty to put up with not being attracted at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:13 AM
2

I think a lot of fuckzoning is also kind of the 'To a lot of males, pussy is scarce. If a girl is forward/DTF, even if not 100% their type, they're not gonna shut it down since pussy is pussy' Like I've got some fairly-unattractive female friends who are eternally getting fuckzoned by very mediocre men since they make themselves available, and Bob the 5.5/10 can't really afford to dismiss a pussy source even if largely disinterested. Kind of a phenomenon where, in broad strokes, a 5 guy won't tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 05:42 AM
3

Yeah. I'm sure everybody's got atleast one past relationship/encounter they arbitrarily hold in high esteem, whether it's due to 'Relationship ended before the novelty wore off', simply being younger/more impressionable or some sort of mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 01:31 AM
1

I think it's more due to female attention scarcity for a lot of guys outside the top echelons. A guy, if proactively approached by a girl, is more likely to just fuckzone her even if not especially attracted since they don't know when the next proactive, sex-friendly girl is going to come across. I've got a few female friends who are like... middling-to-low attractive, and I've seen them frequently fuckzoned by horizontal/small-upwards guys since IMO a 6/10 guy just can't afford to throw away a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 11:00 PM
1

Yeah. I lost a ton of weight and tripled my income over the course of about 3 years, and the girls who were not into me initially suddenly treated me a lot better. And it's not like they didn't have continuity of seeing me. Make a drastic change and people will treat you differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 06:40 AM
1

I think it depends on the type of harrassment. If a guy's getting clearly physically violent I feel like people will jump in, but there's also enough degrees of 'I have no idea what their relationship dynamic is' for aggressive/bullying behaviour that falls short. Also women are probably more likely to pick up on relatively-subtle harrassment via body language cues and all. I've known stable, ostensibly-happy many-year couples where they're like... way more aggressive with eachother in arguments…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 02:33 AM
2

Yeah. It's more about communication and openness to experience than 'this is my magical 6-finger orgasm touch, it is the multitool of all pussies everywhere'.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:54 AM
1

Yeah. I've been off the apps for a while, but over a ton of iterations of different accounts I kind of got to the point of 'toss anything at the wall and see what sticks'. Soft negative stuff is a decent way of standing out from the crowd, and a lot of having success on the apps is just being able to get yourself a big enough foothold to have message exchanges longer than 2 sentences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 12:31 AM
1

A lot of porn dicks are dramatically overstated. Pretty sure the Tumblr's dead, but there was one which fairly empirically proved that anything beyond 7.5 or so is rare as hell in porn. Even guys like Mandingo who are the outlier-equivalent of Shaquille O'Neal are only about 9 inches.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/19 12:45 PM
1

I feel like she's better off unattractive than if she was completely generic, but yeah she'd be better off being transcendentally attractive if that was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 01:18 PM
1

Knocks bitches out, but I feel part of the appeal is the whole 'monster woman' angle.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 12:45 PM
2

And Cyborg sells PPVs/draws interest largely due to being unattractive, IMO. Rousey was merit/right time, right place since it's not like she's some incredible stunner by WMMA standards. Even Carano's ahead of her by a margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 12:34 PM
10

Yeah. That advice is absurd. Lift for aesthetic muscle development if you want to use it to get with girls. World's Strongest Man isn't exactly a field of World's Hottest Man contenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/19 07:43 AM
3

Exactly. 'I have done extra labor to fulfill a need that only I have in this relationship', kind of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 08:25 AM
3

How many of these tasks are ones that the men would do themselves if left to their own devices? I think what he's saying is that a lot of 'unpaid labor' is doing stuff that the male part of the relationship doesn't see as being necessary whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 08:47 AM
1

Prettymuch. I got lucky with an incredibly sexually-open early relationship that let us both experiment, but a lot of guys won't have the liberty to really try new stuff without the fear of judgement/ruining their current relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 08:36 AM
3

Yeah. I'd rather have a 5/10 with her own career/brain/interests, who's open to healthy, two-way communication and who has a healthy sexual appetite rather than trying to hold onto a 9/10 rodeo who's got all the dick in Christendom on her doorstep. After a few months it's gonna be a matter of physical attraction being moderated by communication skills and how well you actually get on as people, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 01:05 AM
3

Yeah. I'd rather settle down the scale for a LTR who's great in bed/communicative/loyal than try and punch above my weight and have to continuously justify my dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 12:50 AM
3

Not necessarily less advanced, but just telling of how getting spirituality/organized religion mixed in stuff can lead to corruption of some very obvious factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 12:38 AM
2

Can't you? I'd casually fuck most of my female friends if they were to set up on my doorstep and offer NSA, but that doesn't stop me being friends with them on the merits of their personality. It's like saying that you can't be friends with somebody if you want to go skydiving with them and they're not into skydiving.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 11:54 PM
3

If you took the standard of living that even the poorest workers in the West can offer, and took it back to the 14th century, that'd be enough riches to score top tier in SMV. It's all relative. Likewise with people picking up brides in South East Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:36 PM
1

Are there seriously adults who act like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 02:42 AM
2

Or guys take the stated interest in other guys as a bait on the part of the female, I've seen that done a few times where a girl who's interested but not seeing initiative from the guy will try to make him make his move.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/18 12:17 AM
13

Gets worked to bad injury, then sent to a glue factory whilst everybody's told he's going to a nearby horse hospital.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 10:45 AM
3

Yeah. I'd say 5 is below 4/3 and 2 with some weight loss. Might just be the angle, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/18 07:36 AM
5

11-13's don't exist. Porn's just overinflated the curve with a series of unabashed lies.
/r/MGTOW13/11/18 06:52 AM
1

And is there anything wrong with him spending worktime working on a memo to provide feedback that he was asked for?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/18 03:43 AM
1

Depends how long/serious the relationship was, and how recently. If they married/LTR'd somebody for a few years, always off-limits. If they had a month or two 8 years ago, that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 04:04 AM
0

Yeah. There's a definite bell curve to muscular attraction. Peak attraction to the average female is limber-toned, visible abs, not Phil Heath. Both because it gets kind of grotesque, and people outside the hardcore bodybuilding circle don't really appreciate the effort/sacrifice involved in being uber-jacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:27 AM
0

Yeah. I used to work as an Apple Genius and the user-unfriendliness of the design is nuts.
/r/MGTOW22/07/18 12:38 AM
1

Depends on how the rejection was phrased. If it was polite and respectful, sure. If it was 'FUCK OFF BACK TO THE EIGHT HELLS, HAMBEAST', then no. Male
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/18 07:28 AM
7

The Y-Chromosome was more rigorously sexually selected throughout history, whilst females having a double-X means that new traits have less opportunity to become dominant. About 35-40% of males in history reproduced, around 80% of females. Failure has been a lot more punishing for males than it has been for females as a whole, as a species.
/r/MGTOW05/07/18 12:19 AM
3

Location of the tribes doesn't make a huge difference. More the tribal context.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 04:40 AM
7

The same shit that she'd be spending 100k on, but with 30x the branding. 3 million p/a (Remember taxes are taking ~50% off it) isn't even crazy money in luxury goods land. There'll always be someone to improve the quality of something by 20% and add a 5x mark-up.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 09:39 AM
1

Oil money, strong population density around Anchorage and the like, and natural limitations on urban sprawl? Sounds about right.
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 12:38 PM
6

It's not like he's claiming to be a millionaire. There's plenty of oil workers or other mining workers in Canada, USA, Australia and random shithole countries that make that much and travel that much.
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 01:08 PM
5

The ton of cases of 'justified lethal force' when somebody reached for the glove-box in a traffic stop are the same core point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jerame_Reid
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 03:49 AM
3

Exactly. Assuming this was a state which had Castle Doctrine, you can argue the father did nothing wrong in his perspective. So far as he's concerned, he's come into his daughter's room late at night, been confronted with an 'intruder' and then shot them when they made what he thought was a quick movement towards a weapon. It's not like he executed the kid with full knowledge of what's happening, essentially when the girl claiming to not know him (As unlikely as that'd be situationally) creates …
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 03:46 AM
70

Reminds me of an old roommate I had. Eternally complaining about being mid-thirties and not settling down with kids, whilst at the same time only 'dating' random badboys and yoga teachers from Tinder and bitching out anybody at her workplace who had the audacity to ask her out. I remember a 5 minute rant on how that 'dude in IT should stop hitting on me since ugh' which came out of a 'Where have all the good men gone (TM)' speech. The only one she saw as being 'settle down with-able' in her soci…
/r/MGTOW12/03/18 09:17 AM
1

Same for PHDs. So long as you're willing to spend 3-4 years of your life, foot the bill and don't try to re-invent the wheel, you can get one.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/03/18 08:44 AM
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Prettymuch. I remember reading some statistics on Engineering graduates. The degree gender-balance is 90:10 M/F The graduate hiring (Roughly 8% of grads a year) is 40:60 M/F. So the males who are getting in are in the top 4% (In either nepotism or abilities), whilst females are getting in who are in the bottom 40%. Then they have the temerity to bitch where they have nowhere near the career success of the ones that got in through the front door.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 12:11 AM
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True. IBM's got a similar issue at the moment. My point is more that you rarely see Female-led companies /rising/ into the S&P 500. Usually it's an established company that puts a female in charge, artificially inflating their average.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:25 PM
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I'd argue it's more down to female-led companies being companies that were already mature, usually in 'innovative' areas of the economy, or that lasted long enough to be inherited. By the time most female CEOs are in charge, the company has passed a ton of significant filters between it and success.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 09:02 PM
6

Yeah. I literally saw Chris Rock the night before he appeared in Melbourne, Australia at a small club for $10 entry. He did about half of his act from the 'big set', and also improvised a bit on top of that.
/r/PussyPassDenied01/02/18 03:27 PM
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Yeah. Dad's also probably lost a few inches in height since his prime, and you need to account that malnutrition was rife throughout most of the world even 50-60 years ago. In China, the average child's adult height is like 5-6 inches taller than their parents.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 04:49 AM
0

People get uncomfortable when you start questioning the fundamentals of their crypto 'investments' and they realize that the steam of unlucky retards swept up in hype is the only thing that made money for a lot of the lucky retards who got in at the first point.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 09:38 AM
3

Atleast the originals had fking aliens. There were no named aliens introduced in this movie that weren't there exclusively for merchandising.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 03:29 PM
3

There's a small correlation but it's like 0.2 AFAIK.
/r/MGTOW19/12/17 05:37 AM
2

Still. Some form of control to prevent 'accidental' conception just seems logical on a societal level.
/r/MGTOW09/12/17 02:31 AM
1

I've always kinda wonder why, as a society, we don't just get males to freeze a bunch of sperm at 18 and then get a vasectomy. Make it so that having children actually requires a concerted effort rather than being a spontaneous thing.
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 06:12 AM
3

And it creates an issue for them when they assume that their ability to hook up with top 20% of guys = They all get to settle down with a top 20% guy monogamously when they feel like not dating any more. Females can punch above their weight in the casual-dating game easily due to Tinder, but seem unable to re-calibrate their expectations for long term relationships. Especially since the top 20% dude has little-to-no reason to ever pursue monogamy until he's reached peak years and he can play for…
/r/MGTOW08/12/17 06:05 AM
1

If you're going purely by BMI, there are going to be a bunch of people that may classify as Overweight/Obese as a pure height/weight measurement, but wouldn't be considered as such by eye-test. Not that there aren't also a lot of fat fucks.
/r/PussyPassDenied26/04/17 12:05 PM
2

Guessing that girls in Western country in MBA programs =/= general population
/r/TheRedPill11/09/16 02:22 AM
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I feel like Cunnilingus isn't a major component of the Rapist playbook, as a whole.
/r/TheRedPill11/09/16 01:37 AM
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