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https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 03:37 PM
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No. That's volunteering to indirectly go through what trans people go through to an extent. 40M straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/19 02:35 PM
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You are cherry picking certain things and essentially strawmanning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 02:15 AM
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Because its more comforting to believer the nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/19 01:43 PM
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Men say they do not want bitchy, high maintanence women but in reality many men find these women great Thats the same as the "women like men that treat them poorly meme. The women mun are most attracted to are high maintenance, men dont find that personality attractive, just the reason for the personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/19 01:41 PM
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Do you really need to be a theologian to call out the elephant in the room When christians are busy engaging in circular fire, who needs a theologian.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 05:23 PM
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All ad hominem not actually arguments about ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 05:20 PM
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A Christian is someone who believes Jesus was the messiah Guess you haven't heard of christian atheists. Who gets to define what a true christian is or isnt is, is a rather amusing argument. if you want to call people "bad christians" you dont need to look to muslims or atheists, just to self described christians. obligitory Arguing about labels is usually futile. More productive to engage people as individuals on what they actually believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 05:16 PM
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Do you think men in women can ever be just friends? No. Women are not in general into the things I'm into,if I met a woman that was I'd catch the feels unless she was quite unattractive. That would be quite unusual, but it could work. If I was happy in a relationship I'd worry a female friend would bother my SO. If she was in a relationship ight might work if her SO judged me so unattractive as to be not a threat. I'd draw a hard line when it comes to emotional support on her relationship. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/19 06:26 AM
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In 2015 I used two 5kg dumbbells every day to get in shape Thats 22lbs, and by your statement you were using that weight to exercise. You'd be able to lift a 20lb bag of dog food easily. I'm not asking that anyone be able to do sets/reps with 20lbs, but you were. Also note you said you were using 2x5kg, not that you worked up to that weight. That would mean that untrained you had at least the capacity to lift 20lbs, if anything you are demonstrating the point I'm making. I'm not suggesting you b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 06:21 PM
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To say women who can’t lift are jellyfish is exactly what described in my first comment You act as though 20lbs counts as "lifting" I'm not saying a woman needs to be able to bench her weight or anything. Nothing unfeminine about being able to lift 20lbs. I'm not describing a "strong" woman, I'm just describing woman that is not utterly helpless. Expecting a 12 pack to be a trivial amount of weight likewise is an absurdly low bar. Its 10lbs Is English a second language for you? you know I mean 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 04:55 PM
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As you imply a woman is healthy when she’s muscular and ripped Nope I made no such implication. A person that cant lift 20lbs is a jellyfish, had an injury or has some debilitating medical condition. 20 lbs is not heavy. If you find a person over the age of 15 that cant lift a 20lb of dogfood with both arms, something is wrong. I have a sister that I have zero doubt can lift a 40lb bag of salt, she is in no way ripped. I think people just expect so little of women that a 20lb bag of dog food som…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 03:08 PM
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You'd need to start by producing a definition of control that could be agreed on. I doubt we'd ever get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 02:40 PM
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The examples you choose to highlight are hilarious. Having watched those arguments, I'm not at all surprised to see someone opt out of even trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 02:19 PM
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expect a woman to be highly educated, be a breadwinner, be muscular Thats strange. education is a loaded concept. Most people just mean credentialed which isn't the same. Breadwinner is an outdated concept, mostly unrealistic with most households defaulting to dual incomes. Strength Yes I expect a certain degree of strength. Its not unreasonable to expect a healthy person to be able to lift a 20lb bag of dog food. Where is it you live that women are expected to be the breadwinner?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 02:10 PM
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The amount of men that are pieces of shit are incredibly rare compared to the amount of crazy women need to start the frequency vs severity argument then start pulling in the anecdotes? Complicating the issue is that people often use whatever leverage is available. Are we going to classify women as "worse" simply because family court etc gives them more leverage? I'd say that if men had the advantage in family court, men would be just as vindictive as people would say women are. At any rate, oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 02:01 PM
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Why is it so difficult for some of y'all to understand that men do that EXACT SAME SHIT? Its not. Expose any comment no matter how mundane/reasonable to enough people and you'll find someone that takes issue with it. In a gender driven space you also get a lot o kneejerk reactions. You have avoided the "yeah, women do it but men are worse" backhanded admission that is so common. That even handedness is likely to get a few people who make exactly that comment. I think people are just spectacularl…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 01:48 PM
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Yeah I don't get this idea that guys want a mommy or a maid guys mostly dont, it just gets framed in the most loaded way possible. Often I think people take the path of least resistance and then get bitter about it and become passive aggressive making things worse. It happens a little bit at a time over years, by the time its intolerable, its even harder to address. Yes most people bring this shit on themselves. Effort is also misunderstood. People judge effort by the results, but its really the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/19 01:41 PM
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I've joked that dating is like boxing, you do it in your own weight class :D
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 05:51 AM
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telling overweight people that they’re not desirable or sexy is detrimental to most of the population. Willing to bet the problem here is that you are going to a medical definition. The words used are all about equivocating/normalizing morbid obesity. People say "overweight", they mean fat, but they cant say "fat" and even if it was socially acceptable to say fat, its a word that is about as precise as "middle class" People are very imprecise. "The morbidly obese person who is also highly attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 05:50 AM
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https://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/2019/07/AP_19175045980824-1000x677.jpg I didnt know who she was. Most of the images I saw were quite...unflattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/19 05:40 AM
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if the guy stays on his couch, the girl would have to break in to do the asking Pretty funny. I dont know very many genuine shut ins.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/19 03:57 PM
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Googling it was about 6 years ago it changed so I think was probably confusing some things. /r/The_Donald saw an algorithm change to try to keep it off the frontpage as well we added the ability to prevent certain reddits from appearing in the top ten. We flagged moviecritic and atheism as two such reddits, hopefully allowing these reddits to grow in peace I accidentally combined the two issues. source
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/19 02:48 PM
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It was an algorithm that handled defaults, they changed it intentionally to exclude it iirc. It was just a PR move.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/19 02:33 PM
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They removed it as a default sub a year or two ago iirc, gave some pretty flimsy reason as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/19 01:27 PM
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I mean men just opting out of dating etc.the more men drop out the better things would get for the average guy. Below average guys are fucked no matter what. At this point enough below average guys are still obeying their thirst trying to buy their way into relationships that the average guy has a rough time of it imo. If they understood they were making things worse(or propping up a dynamic that works against them), they'd stop trying to betabux their way into a relationship and avoid cohabitat…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 09:18 PM
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I dont think mgtow will ever see enough of a following to have any significant impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 04:39 PM
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MGTOW cant change society. The men that adopt that mentality are the men women dont care about, so nothing of value lost. I'd strongly disagree with the sentiment that economic coercion is a positive thing. I dont want women to need a man. That just creates bitter hobosexuals with loveless marriages. If anything it reveals how things have always been, people just dont want to admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/19 02:26 PM
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I think people assume their default is the default and that anything else is unreasonable. Its like losing an argument you never even had. any mismatch ends up resulting in a grudge supported by memes etc. A person might be making a pretty big effort to live up to the standards or a person they are sharing space with and that might go unnoticed entirely if the results of that effort are judged lacking. This is why I prefer to define effort as the difference between a persons actual behavior and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/19 08:06 PM
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Some quick googling isnt providing an action taken by the government to censor the film. I'll keep digging but it seems like people are calling a theater chain canceling the screenings due to pressure banning. Cassie Jaye talked about it getting pulled in most venues in aus, but not banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 09:23 PM
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I don’t see how anyone who’s fully bought into the red pill ideology could become humble without feeling severely inferior. I'd guess for most guys humble is exactly how they get to stuff like TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 04:52 AM
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I dont think its impossible to simply be mostly happy, its a question of how you go about it. If people judge happiness as seen through the momentary influence of some big event or purchase, thats going to be an issue. thats what your sprinkles analogy makes me think of. I'd say I got to the point where I was just happy. I was content. The though of spending the next few decades as things were was a mostly pleasant thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 02:09 PM
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MGTOW and I’ve talked to plenty of women, it’s not a hard thing to do Same. It was my relationships that pushed me in this direction, not lack of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 02:01 AM
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You are basically complaining a caricature about women, then making a caricature about the mgtow subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 01:57 AM
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Maybe. Consider the possibility its framed this way because it was simply how op ended up thinking about it. When People dont put much effort in to communicating ideas in an agreeable way. Its usually "fuck em' they hate me anyway so why bother. Instead people end up jumping straight to the most loaded way to communicate something, because thats the only place they can see a conversation going anyway. At the root of that is actor observer, I can justify my shit, they cant do the same. its build …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 04:30 PM
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Your mistake was the political framing. You could have communicated this without the politics and the reply would have been water wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 03:54 PM
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How are conservatives dishonest? its one of many features of a caricature that gets created for every group. People try to do "gotcha" arguments but the problem is these usually just points to some seeming hypocrisy. Everyone can spin their own preferred hypocrisy. I dont know how people get to most of these opinions without realizing they are acting like the thought police. Its like people use their caricature to say if I were a member of group x, this would be my top priority, they claim the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 03:51 PM
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Disagree. not only would you need to know the sequence of events, you'd need to know why the husband started watching porn. Not only that, but it requires that people are honest with you. So many variables are relevant here that I dont see how it can be reduced to a single variable. I can probably think of over a dozen reasons a man would start watching porn and stop having/trying to have sex with his wife where you are are either assuming porn is the cause, on incomplete information, or you kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 11:11 PM
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I dont think making guys self conscious about how little women enjoy sex with them is the same as raising standards. Who wants to have sex where the woman feels its a chore?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 10:56 PM
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Hours of searching to find a non deep throating vid? That's silly. I went to porn-hub, searched for blowjob and just clicked the first result. It was a woman choking up on the bat so to speak, most of it only went an inch or two beyond the tip. It took me 5 seconds. if you want to make an unverifiable comment about its prevalence, go ahead, but certainly you must admit that you overshot on your exaggeration. Likewise on men expecting anal, it leaves me wondering what you mean by "expect" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 10:50 PM
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my boss disrespected me and paid me the lowest wage she was legally allowed to. Entitled customers yelled at me for no reason constantly. That was certainly degrading I've been essentially having exactly this argument with someone who thinks paying for a handjob is somehow noteworthy/an immoral and terrible thing but all of the other things people are paid to do get a pass. I've had jobs that made me feel like human garbage, bad enough that I only lasted a few months. I just couldn't continue. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 10:31 PM
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Comparing the tales I hear from some gfs of their partners who regularly use porn to my sex life with an ambivalent to porn man is kinda staggering People are bad at cause/effect. You probably get presented just enough information tailored to the conclusion they want you to arrive at. The only time I haven't watched porn was when I had a girlfriend I was having sex with. It was irrelevant at that point. People present these all or nothing kind of arguments that assume porn causes deadbedrooms et…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 10:16 PM
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The point stands, you've made no attempt to differentiate use of body vs use of mind, you've just hand-waived it away because its inconvenient. Want to up the ante? consider broad spectrum of things people get paid to do with their mind. Deceive/manipulate large groups of people, develop shit like drones and weapons of war. Yeah you can hand-waive that away, it probably doesn't bother you, just recently it caused some trouble at microsoft. See recent cases lost by Purdue Pharma. just an amoral e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 09:18 PM
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I dont see the relevance. Some kinds of manual labor I can, some kinds I cant, some kinds I'd rather not. Other kinds are impractical. None of that adds anything to the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 08:59 PM
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Am I not doing the same if I pay for hundreds of kinds of manual labor? Why wouldn't paying to use someones mind be worse? Somehow paying for a handjob is some great evil, rotting in a cubicle until you die in service to a corporation, nope totally different! People draw strange seemingly arbitrary lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 08:54 PM
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its the women who use sex as leverage or in a transactional way that would be most upset imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:31 PM
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stigmas/rules are excuses for rejecting unattractive men while trying not to appear shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:19 PM
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Wrong question. We pay for literally everything else, what makes sex any different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:06 PM
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Not possible to do it safely in my area. I'd end up talking to the police more than likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:04 PM
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its not just checking out that matters, men who expect never to be in a relationship count as well. I know a pretty average guy that expects never to find a relationship. You might ask isn't that self fulfilling prophecy? maybe, or he might be right. If it turns into a discussion about who can be blamed, its pretty pointless. You might not believe me, but there isn't much he could do that he isn't already. but that he hits 40 a virgin seems very likely. I'm trying to get him to lift more, couldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 06:02 PM
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UMC yeah but why does everyone keep calling me blue? Its a pejorative in the context here. Its a bit like how people are quick to label things as incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:40 PM
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It makes it easier for a woman to price herself out of the market. The tinder spreadsheet women would take a pretty big hit, the average/reasonable woman, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:35 PM
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No doubt that plays a part Good reasons exist to reject/be concerned about legalizing prostitution, note the strong reaction to robot brothels and the idea of sex robots. Sex = power. Anything that threatens that is going to draw heavy criticism. The interesting bit is if sex was trivial for men to get, robotic or otherwise, that would remove sex object from the list of reasons for men to pursue a relationship. For some women this is scary af. Strong independent women? not so worried imo. I have…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 05:23 PM
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The corporate ladder I've been privy to is a foul thing anyway, where its more about spin and manipulation than hard work. Sell an idea, get people onboard who want to benefit from it, take the temporary benefit, let people who hitched their horse to your wagon defend it even though it obviously didn't end up that great, oscillate between old and new. building new connections ans sucking up to the right people. repeat until self loathing kicks in. No one actually does anything of consequence bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/19 02:02 PM
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That could be where wgtow and mgtow have common ground. To get folks to admit it requires admitting an unpleasant negative about both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/19 01:32 AM
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experienced this in the short term, and it was better than being along but surprisingly left me jaded. I was better than being lonely, but it was not a reasonable long term /sustainable goal. What we are really talking about here though is luxury not preference. Being selective is a luxury most men cant afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 11:06 PM
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And this is a male trait. It's very rare to see a female not have some sort of excuse Every time I ever had to talk to an employee about anything there was almost always an excuse! People fullstop hate objective methods of handling things like missing work, being late, taking too much break time etc. Its because an objective system doesn't give a shit about excuses. then the closing out the post with "dissent is misogyny!". Horseshit. its part of a backhanded way of trying to retain the perceive…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 10:53 PM
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’m just tired of guys being constantly put down and asked to self-reflect on their apparently inherent shiftiness without any introspection offered in return You realize this is some hatfields mccoys shit right? A Woman posts some snide caricature of manbabies then a guy has to gender flip that post. How many posts are a result of exactly that? I cant think of a statement that sums it any better than "they dont give a shit about us" Why would we? who does "we" prefer to? everyone. We've been doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 07:48 PM
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How would one measure the fragility of an ego anyway? In whatever way suits the narrative and benefits the counter-narrative the least. self-centered and thoughtless people. They just express themselves in different ways though lol. Preach on! One thing both genders share its "its different when I do it" Is that wrong? NOPE! its natural! It happens in every aspect of life. Its called actor/observer bias(everyone's actions) /Fundamental Attribution(behavior of others) If you know its natural you …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 07:08 PM
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Or even well intentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 10:47 AM
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Men are used to more criticism so it roles off their back easier Entirely depends on the source of the criticism and the context. My sister was a Manager at a Tire and Lube in Walmart. You ever see a woman try to educate a man on tires or oil? She thinks its always sexism, I dont. But Its heavily suspect. Never attribute to malice.... But trying to act like its not a heavy factor would be silly. Mismatching speed rating's iirc was against corporate policy.. It was something like that, cut and dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 10:46 AM
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Sigh. Women say that because it pisses men off. Its the most loaded way of communicating it, its obviously about pushing buttons. Oh I wont deny that significant number of women Believe it, but really. You point out the pattern of avoiding taking responsibility everyone does it. some groups have different excuses and they think theirs are better, but its a rare person that will own their shit and just say "I fucked up" Its not an all or nothing, you are setting up a false dichotomy in many of yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 10:35 AM
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You might think I'd disagree with you, but I dont. if the idea is just "dont do math". I think once the math starts, the relationship is close to doomed because once people start doing math they do a lot of bad math because the motivation for it was negative. happy people dont do math. I'd be willing to bet where you find math, you find unwillingness to compromise(among other toxic behaviors), of course it wouldn't be admitted, but if you proposed compromises, You'd get a list of reasons why tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 10:12 AM
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Ive done laundry in a process that involved a garden hose and a bucket. manual fill/drain. I chuckle when people act like laundry is hard. needing extra rinse cycles because you used too much soap on accident was a pita How did I mess up the soap? manually filling isn't very precise or efficient lol. I use a fucking space age washer now lol. The pull out tray say "put this much of this shit here" Remember those commercials? Uh Oh forgot to add the fabric softener!!! Yeah U'm not that old, but I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 03:15 AM
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He doesn’t care that he sets up/maintains the internet because I clean the bathroom Nope doesn't fucking matter! Wait what you say? Unless something odd is going on here maintaining the internet is in no way comparable with to the bathroom. Not the least of which is that Its probably something he is doing for himself and would do no matter what! You dont get to count shit you do for yourself like that imo. That's part of the problem sometimes. The question "who is this really being done for" doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 02:52 AM
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Yeah well some things are fucking ridiculous/disgusting, I dont think you will get much disagreement on that on that sort of thing. My parents go at it hard enough that I dont know how they are still together. If my dad tries to help, he gets shit on, if he doesn't he gets shit on. My Mom will vacuum daily, sometimes twice in one day, and clean the floor early in the day and complain about people walking on it. I've actually seen my mom get very shitty for vacuuming areas in the wrong order. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/19 02:34 AM
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Trying too hard to gender flip the meme imo. Feels like I know you are but what am I.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 05:11 PM
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Abosolutely not. Its like pitbulls, no one seems to notice that small dogs bite people all the time, they just dont do much damage so no one notices. see: Chihuahuas more aggressive than pitbulls. Look at the amount of domestic violence committed by women. in general, women and men perpetrate equivalent levels of physical and psychological aggression, but evidence suggests that men perpetrate sexual abuse, coercive control, and stalking more frequently than women and that women also are much mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 01:48 PM
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Found this looking for info, appears to be reasonably sourced and say tear is the way to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 03:13 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc0KvHtGaGs You'll thank me if you haven't seen it. Posted for humor not medical accuracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 03:07 AM
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Its the typical liberal elite college rant. It was like I tuned into Limbaugh for a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 01:45 AM
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Its a well studied phenomenon in less polarizing areas. afaik Its a bit like how BMW drivers are less likely to stop at a crosswalk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 01:36 AM
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incel is a branding issue. because of the way the word gets used, it no longer means "involuntarily celebrate" It means woman hating murderer with a manifesto.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 01:32 AM
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You've never seen me talk on this subject, apparently. Not sure, but I was making a general statement , the only part I was applying to you specifically, is that you believe women who say they dont like sex on a first date, that part of your comment. If a woman says she doesn't like sex on the first day is that true? probably. I wouldn't be too confident about it though. I didn't read OPs post too closely so I cant really comment on that, my general impression is there is likely enough blame for…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 01:22 AM
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I spent quite a bit of time in the self imposed friend zone. If I drifted away, women would say stuff like "I miss you!"/"we dont seem to talk very much anymore"/"you're really quiet today" etc, You get a stream of questions that are basically "pay more attention to me!!!" I dont think it needs to be intentional/conscious manipulation. People just enjoy the validation/attention/favors as long as you dont cross any lines, and if that decreases it gets noticed and pointed out. In general I'd say I…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 12:37 AM
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Yep because that sex for women. so unappealing. Must be terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 11:40 PM
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Lets be honest here its a phrase that gets misused from both ends. Guys are quick to label any materialistic quality as gold digging, Women are quick to feign outrage "OMG you're calling me a gold digger!" Its like by escalating the claim made will make someone back down. Its reasonable for wealth/status to be an influence because poverty/debt isn't really all that attractive. Women acting like they have a heart of gold and its not a significant is is about as funny as a guy saying he doesn't li…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 11:29 PM
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No, that you act like my statement is absurd gives me the impression that you are not interested in an answer, you just wanted to disagree and throw some shade. If thats actually a genuine question I'll answer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 11:14 PM
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More like when a woman asks "do you want children" or any of a number of questions probing for compatibility, dont act like a sociopath and manipulate. everyone needs to vet for compatibility. I have zero obligation to do that for them. My only obligation is not to intentionally mislead by lying to say what I think they want to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:46 PM
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I don't believe in being upfront like some autistic retard Nobody was suggesting you should. Navigating interactions as an adult is about reading between the lines or how to leave what you want between the lines. Nobody wants the sterile edge brutally direct communication would put on everything. Don't create stawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:42 PM
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Around here women are basically always at fault if you were to ask a lot of the men. Yep circle the wagons. I usually take exception with trivially true statements because they are not generally productive. This is just so obviously accurate I cant be bothered to nitpick about it. (pedantry isn't always nuance tolling, I'm a pedant, not a troll) The same avoidance of responsibility for your own actions that is a TRP trope? yeah. People have a hard time admitting shit is human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:38 PM
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I've been in plenty of frienzones, all self imposed. Looking back on that, I did get the "so you haven't been talking to me much lately" or an " I miss you" if I was drifting away, but that said I cant look back and find anything that was an egregious/overt attempt to keep me orbiting. Basically it didn't take much, and that was my fault. Looking back on that and trying to ignore my part in that would be silly. I was just good at finding women who enjoyed some light flirting/ flattery(how rare r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:32 PM
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You cant deny that efforts are made to maintain orbiters and they dont even need to be conscious attempts at manipulation. That said its entirely a self inflicted wound.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:09 PM
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I dont see anything bitchy about your response. /r/AmItheAsshole style posts are all about seeking external validation/absolution to get relief from cognitive dissonance more often than a genuine question imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:06 PM
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The sad part is the difference. A guy that voluntarily put himself in the friendzone. offered nothing of valu, nobody cares. besides caring might imply something we wont tolerate e. A woman who voluntarily put herself in the fuckzone? she got taken advantage of, shes the victim. She traded away something of value for less than she could get for it. Both are about having ulterior motives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 10:01 PM
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Granted. The problem here is you believe that, so you have an entirely different reaction. You might say "well of course guys dont believe anything women say" no shit? Women dont really believe what guys say either. It wasn't long ago that we had this same exact thread, but it was about a guy who wouldn't spend as much money on his current gf as his previous gf. The worst part? the folks so egotistical they are completely unconcerned about this are very likely to be spectacularly bad people you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:53 PM
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Just dont ignore women that might be "the one" because its not obvious at first glance. I concluded that I had too romantic a notion in this area and probably ignored any number of women because there was no instant spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:37 PM
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Even absent the absurd level of coercion in the past, dead bedrooms are everywhere. I dont think people are really any happier today. Go to any R4R style subreddit, start counting married women. go count women complaining about porn uh, everywhere. The women who have mentally ill guys they try everything to initiate with, yeah I'm not thinking about them here. Current culture is doing no better when it comes to happiness. I'd be unsurprised to find that abuse is dramatically down since the 50s w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:34 PM
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If a guy leaves, hes just salty about being entitled to sex. If he sticks around for 6 months trying to wine and dine hes a predator that feels entitled to sex. We just cant win with you people. Yeah we can make everything a caricature if we want to. its just an extension of the N count debate. Sex on the 3rd date is ignoring half the equation. having sex on the 3rd date then having a sex month relationship, thats what max two guys a year? Thats very different from a woman that is sleeping with …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 09:19 PM
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she will have a tougher time forming a stable pair bond with a partner later in life Ive read this type of comment before an wonder how they differentiate cause from effect. If difficulty pair bonding is the cause of the perceived promiscuity, that woman could sleep with 0 men and still have difficulty pair bonding. I could also just be a woman who has discovered that sex is a powerful tool, and once you see sex that way, Its going to be a problem imo. If an answer exists that addresses cause vs…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 08:53 PM
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here's also very little sympathy for a woman who tried sex on the first date once or twice, didn't like it People have this way or reacting to something entirely different than what is being said. If a man hears a woman date" I dont have sex on a first date" and has a negative reaction, who knows what the reaction is to. That makes it very tricky to try to make statements about this sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 08:44 PM
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Complete non issue. The men that expect this are not the men women say they are looking for, so who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 08:29 PM
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A flaw in my thoughts there though. Another possibility exists that should have been immediately obvious but I missed. They understand men perfectly well, but we interpret their actions as indicating they dont. Selective ignorance is a plausible explanation for why that is. In cases where it leads to an answer that isn't "I'm special" or that requires consciously not benefiting from a behavior, you get a blind spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 03:55 PM
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I'll grant that women dont understand men, but tossing a trope in there is a distraction. Why dont women understand men? Its not because they lack the intelligence or experience to do so, its that they dont want to because they dont like where that leads Relevance? If you are selling something, it cant be something the target audience isn't interested in. See: the nature of political commentary. When advice is a product, selling people what they want to here is where the profit is at. Anyone tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 03:40 PM
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Of course it is lol. Its the old joke about hating gender roles while at the same time wanting to benefit from them. aka just pick the good parts. I'll submit thats a distraction. The real question worth considering when it comes to who pays is what the answer says about the person. Boy we dont like that though!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 03:32 PM
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" ironically, make the women's lives who post or believe the advice they provide even worse." That may be true but to get to worse you you need to know the goals involved. Also possible is that communication being what it is, that can be part of the problem. Example: I have two nieces if I was forced to give them advice (I dont in this area) it would be dont get a boyfriend because you need one. Work on independence first. That's great advice for avoiding a train wreck imo, but paradoxically I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 03:28 PM
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plenty of women accuse men of rape Its not a meaningful statement. Its true is 2 women in the history of time have made accusations of rape. I think they need to clarify as they are probably reading into what they responded to, then giving an unclear response More than likely in this context its about false accusations of rape, that women make false accusations is also trivially true, so its like stating water is wet, because even at least 1 false claim about 2 different men by 2 different women…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 06:54 AM
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Getting fixated on the phrase is a distraction. It always applies no matter what context Without it you get the following: x is true Prove it No. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man That's not a discussion its preaching and a rejection. The concept is useful for addressing assertions and does not need to be mentioned. Essentially you must reject logic to reject the burden of proof entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 04:07 AM
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Just because a guy is hot doesn’t mean the sex is good Good is tricky. Penn and teller did a skit explaining how preconceived ideas cause people to experience things the way they expect to. They cut a bananna in half and the "organic half" got described as being far better. Apply that to sex and you see where I'm going. bad sex for women is painful Why does this always seem to be immutable like bad sex cant get fixed? Yeah you'll get the guy offended by the suggestion that going in dry and jackh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 12:04 AM
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They can but those are not the posts I'm reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 11:39 PM
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Men now expect pornographic sex due to being influenced by porn Bullshit. This strawman needs to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 10:59 PM
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How do I square this with the difficulty women appear to have finding a man they actually want to have sex with? Men get constantly told women enjoy sex as much as men, even going so far as to say they want it as much as men, but the frequency I see sex described as horrifying is puzzling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 10:52 PM
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Point out the NTS
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 10:41 PM
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I dont see anything inherently sexy/desirable about either state.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 10:38 PM
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snowflake is now just a simple pejorative that means "someone complaining about a viewpoint I support" imo. Whatever meaning it might have had, has been lost due to overuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 09:54 PM
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it was feeding into my still standing belief that most men are utter garbage Its interesting that you have a belief that men are garbage, and the thing you appear to be objecting to could be boiled down to men saying women are garbage. Explaining why women appear to prefer men who mistreat them is likely to explain why you think men are garbage imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 09:53 PM
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I essentially defended wgtow recently. I think it can be supported without misandry etc. I did add the caveat that Poes law applies, I can tell if the femcel subreddit is a parody/satire, false flag/troll, or serious. No reason it cant be a little bit of each of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 09:18 PM
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The influence of money is inescapable. Its the dark side of trying to buy affection. Once you realize it for what it is and you dont like the rules of the game, Where does that lead? This dynamic is created by men and the thirst. Sure you have egregious examples like the dishonest spreadsheet whore, but you see this influence long before you get to that extreme. Its an arms race Men wont unilaterally disarm because even if the trend started to reverse, bucking that trend would have advantages. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 09:08 PM
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Went looking to see if I could find a post, first one was 100 matches out of 27,000. I came to the conclusion that people like to shit on men for being shallow but they have it twisted. not being shallow is a luxury average guys or below simply dont have.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:34 PM
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what men/incels can do to make it worth women going through that self-improvement that makes incels think that ok, maybe she is worth the squeeze after all Part of the problem is subtly different. People cast things in a light that makes a caricature out of things. I'll simplify as follows. If we say MGTOWS dont want to participate-in a system where are they are just a wallet, thats not about the juice not being worth the squeeze. thats a rejection of the end justifies the means. If we grant tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 03:29 AM
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shame is external. guilt vs shame is an interesting topic. Shame is arguably just too much worrying about what other people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/19 12:49 AM
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men who are confused, frustrated, and in a state of disbelief or denial that their behaviors are bad. Usually no distinction is made between men and the behavior. Much of it is a double standard as well, with well rehearsed defenses. Quite a bit of the behavior isn't unique to men either. Instead of admitting human nature, it must be turned into a team sport. If I could find a pill that allowed a woman to see what its like to have the libido of a man, they would be horrified. My guess is women u…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 07:41 PM
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I wont try to overemphasize its role, I dont feel strongly about that. If anything, its just that the degree of emphasis men place on sex warps everything near it, size shaming just puts some spin on the result.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 06:57 PM
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You say that as though there is no alternate explanation that doesn't require men to be the villain. Many behaviors have reasonable explanations that dont require anything reprehensible. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 04:39 PM
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What do you think of the many men who brag about "bottoming out" in a woman Its silly, but maybe if sex/penis shaming stopped being the #1 insult, this wouldn't happen. Its just insecurity, and everyone reinforces it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 04:35 PM
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men stop putting in effort once they have the woman in a lot of cases Sure, but men are not alone in that. It quickly turns into a pissing contest though. I think think digging a bit deeper than simple score keeping its more interesting/productive. Everyone spins what they do to make it the effort and tends to minimize what their spouse does. Thats not to say thats never the case, but more often than not imo. I think its just actor/observer bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 01:31 AM
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I think people sabotage their relationships because the only make superficial/token efforts. The hard parts get avoided like the plague. Most of the "efforts" people will list are just death by a thousand paper-cuts. People will play victim as well, not being willing to admit the role they played in how things got how they are. That's not victim blaming, its just admitting agency. I think aside from egregious examples, dwelling too much about scorekeeping is a sign something is wrong. The faster…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/19 01:06 AM
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Being disagreeable goes over poorly with any age group and any gender. People dont like disagreeable people, the dislike people disagreeing with them The disagreeable people who disagree with people who hold views they dislike? people tend to like those disagreeable people just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 08:15 PM
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I mean how old are we talking here that older men are feeble lol. If I go by what you say, its all men > 35 years old, that would be a bit absurd. Makes me wonder what your definition of feeble is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 08:01 PM
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Yes, but I dont like the framing. Attractiveness influences what is and isn't wanted. Its really a discussion about wanted vs unwanted attention. Not only that attractiveness causes people to interpret things differently. A woman might not want some random guy touching her no matter how attractive, but shes more likely to excuse contact as an accident in a crowded area, where with unattractive billy it wont take much to cause her to scream rape. It doesn't help that unattractive billy is going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 01:29 PM
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It matter. I can dig up the article but there was a list of complaints coming from women at a college where women significantly outnumbered the men. It flipped hyper gamy upside down, at least temporarily in that environment. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/07/fashion/07campus.html Hilarious read.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 02:49 AM
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My sister married a guy almost 30 years older than her. Hes almost as old as our parents. I guess it depends on what you mean by "going for" Your claim is phrased in a way that almost certainly not true due to phrasing. Not realistic isn't the same thing as not happening. Only a sith deals in absolutes...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/19 02:17 AM
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I dont know. Some of the women Ive been most attracted to were women I'd have been least able to predict who I theoretically should not have found attractive. Its a bit of a loaded question too because various factors are not as easy to address as it might seem. Intelligence for example. I can see people getting that confused with "agrees with me" just like disagrees with me = stupid. I'd say LTR would preferred. FWB would be better than nothing. I'd say she has to be passionate about something.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 11:08 PM
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Least-healthy State: Arkansas: 40.2% Definition: Percentage of women ages 18-44 with a body mass index of 30.0 or higher based on reported height and weight I live in an area similar. a BMI of 30 seems "normal" to me looking up examples of women with that BMI. I'll let others argue over what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 10:55 PM
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Physically At this point it seems like lack of extremes. genetic disorders/deformities are case by case, but both can have an extreme impact. I'd say the face is the most important physically. being close in age is important, something like +/- 10 Have I seen 60 year old women that look incredible? sure, but its pretty unusual. Pretending those women are not the exception would be silly. (I'm not thinking about a movie star, but an actual woman I met) Look at the variety in porn or in nsfw subre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 10:45 PM
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idpol Watching the progressive stack turn into a brawl can be pretty amusing though. Something about being so obsessed about who is saying something that no one cares what gets said, unless its not in agreement with the hivemind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:38 PM
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Sheldon and dwight, thats where its at! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:34 PM
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Or creative only counts if accompanied by success.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:32 PM
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I've read a ton of sandersons shit. You might be confusing big sjw with the fact the he doesn't seem overspecialize his female characters, and female characters are more than wallpaper. Hes a mormon iirc so he avoids sexual shit. If it was some over the top parade of sjw nonsense I wouldn't read it. never once did I say damn this reeks of feminism. I read constantly. I cant say I have a problem avoiding people that type of content. Doesn't seem to matter what gender the author is, as long as the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:30 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/fQ4Zi.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:19 PM
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friend of mine got a date out of it once every 3/6 months, for spending who knows how many hours on it. He stopped bothering.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 09:06 PM
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I certainly have empathy for femcels I needed to remind myself how much sympathy people have for men who spend their time spewing hate and overindulging in self pity. I could get pumped and dumped but I don’t fucking want to this statement demonstrates no lack of male attention, but a dismissal of it. We dont need to speculate beyond what someone is willing to admit. Moids have high standards they just don’t realise it. They think average is Adriana Lima without makeup Its pretty clear the men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:27 PM
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I think 2 of the 3s are cute, 2 of the 2s, and and 5 of the 5s are cute. 3 of the 5s I'd assume would ignore me. Thats an awful lot of women I'm supposed to not even notice to find attractive. Based on this chart I'd flirt in the 2/3 area(or I did when I was flirting). Both of my LTRs would have been 2s on this chart. Most of the 4s would stuggle a bit, but its not hopeless for them. Starting at 5, none of those women is having trouble getting attention. , thats not saying its the attention they…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 07:08 AM
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Your friend is an example of someone who isn't isolating themselves. With any luck it will stay that way because given your description , the intentional for things to end poorly vastly outweighs the potential for a happy ending. If you called her a femcel, you'd get no statement from me about how its voluntary. I'm not as old, but I have more in common with her than I'd care to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 06:09 AM
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I think its instinctive, not conscious manipulation. Men do it too, it just has a much lower success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:55 AM
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The two guys I am talking about became doormats who made me the sole source of their happiness TRP talks about that and how if men dont have a spine, they eventually end up being unattractive. TRP talks a lot of shit yeah, but it get enough right that its hard to know, but some of the shit it gets right is very unpopular. In this context this sentiment would get called advocating for toxic masculinity in a heartbeat, especially with the messaging that would get used.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:52 AM
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I will tend to walk all over a man if he lets me Lets you? lol please. Most guys will practically beg to get used, then whine about the fact that it happened. What a painful lesson that is. People hate the idea of orbiters, esp with the thought that women encourage it. Well yeah, thats what happens when someone is getting attention they enjoy and it stops... they try to give that behavior a nudge. It doesn't even need to be conscious manipulation. Not everyone needs to be a villain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:47 AM
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A lot of the conclusions it draws with women can be easily expanded to men People cant resist. I just had a pretty lenthy exchange with a femcel, making an effort to not constantly do the "I know men are ba but women are worse, in spit of the reverse being stated several tiemes. I said men and women are shallow, I didn't even go so far as to say women are equally shallow. I didnt attempt to quatify it because its a pissing context. They cant drop the W from NAWALT, because thats too similar to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:41 AM
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Others probably get sucked into the “anger phase” a bit much. Its hard to find a space dedicated to a such a polarized which is gracious to "the enemy" it doesn't help but sometimes those are the only spaces that tolerate certain types of discussion. Because they serve as aggregators of discourse outside of the overton window, they radicalize people that would otherwise not go so far. The the most ridiculous stuff doesn't get any push back for a variety of reasons. I unsubbed from mgtow and trp …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:34 AM
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False. Unless you are going to tell me that of the men into it, not a single one got into it for another reason? You messed up your question by going to far. If you rephrase it as something like many/most/etc, its just something you cant demonstrate instead of something obviously false.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 05:24 AM
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And you basically just pinkpilled yourself by saying you need physical attraction Not sure what pinkpilled means seems likely its intended as an insult. A quick google makes it seem likely that its not safe for me to find a random definition an try to pin it on you. At any rate, whats the alternative to needing at least some physical attraction. "shes ugly but I'd have sex with her anyway?" I dont really see how thats an improvement. If anything its somehow more shallow, because it goes in the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 04:15 AM
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The post is an quantifiable pissing contest.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 02:27 AM
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And in what world are you living in where men settle for less? The real world. I'll agree that men will compromise on personality, but is it reasonable to expect a stable relationship absent physical attraction? I dont think it is. Attractiveness is a minimum.if thats not met nothing else matters. there is an argument to be had about what average is, but absent any examples that difficult. Before reacting to the above, I'd like to add for context, do you think women should consider men they find…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 02:09 AM
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shallow I'll grant that men are shallow, but imo its only because anything beyond the minimum is just an unreasonable expectation for most men. Its hard to seriously claim that men dont want or value an emotional connection. Men will settle for much less clearly. Whats your idea of an average woman and why do they struggle to get a date, and what does struggle mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/19 12:09 AM
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omen as a whole are capable of seeing individual men as individuals The flipside to the "men see women as objects" is women see men as tools. Here is the tricky part. what makes it problematic is that everyone has the capacity for this, circumstances dictate much of it. The easiest way o find a guy that isnt trying to fuck everything that moves, is to find a guy having those needs fulfilled. The easiest way to find a woman who doesn't see men as tools is to find a woman who has no need for said …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 09:05 PM
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I didn't say its not possible, the odds are strongly against it though. Or that you don’t value female friendships? Once I stopped using ulterior motives as the glue that made those relationships possible, I stopped having those friendships. Even if a woman shares my interests, so many guys are job interview level fake with ulterior motives that I might as well not exist. Take video games. Whenever Ive tried to play an online game with a woman, she generally has 3 or 4 guys begging for attention…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 08:21 PM
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They are basically saying men have it better because at least they can be betabux.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 06:57 PM
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Men generally dont have much in common with women, its obvious as hell exactly whats going on when with guy "friends" I stopped being fake friends with women once I realized it for what it was. Turns out I dont run into many women that share my interests. Note I said nothing about you there, thats all throwing shade at men. Test guys. Throw out some crazy shit you assume a guy would find boring as hell. Do they placate you, try to keep the conversation going, and act interested? Yeah... Watch co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 06:51 PM
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Lets not try to act like men are the superficial ones an women are not, that the "its whats on the inside that counts" type of bluepill bullshit that I grew up listening to. Every study I've ever seen does a pretty good job at demonstrating both genders are superficial shits, men just admit it more easily. The difference between ugly men and ugly women is the thirst and expectations. I still recall a post from a woman who described herself as invisible/very ugly. She was being treated for an STD…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 06:31 PM
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Sounds like shes isolating herself. Note thats not about blame, just that your example doesn't fit the post topic very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 04:58 PM
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Its also not clear what "lift" means. One person could say they lift and mean 3lb pink weights for "tone" That's just waving your arms around in the air. I think the only reason its coming up is that its in the context of a pissing contest about who works harder. I've never seen that pissing contest go anywhere of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 02:13 AM
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Girls who are above an 8 are very rarely single Girls above a 3 are rarely single imo. I found that "aiming lower" never helped because no girl I flirted with was lacking in guys doing the same. the 1 to 10 scale is problematic, but for reference I'd say Kristen Schaal/Mayim Bialik/Mindy Kaling would be at a minimum a solid 4 or 5 depending on various factors. In anoffice environment there are usually at least a handful of women that are in this range. every hiring wave/training class is a new b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 02:00 AM
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he only people I truly hear saying short men won’t get dates...are other men Plenty of women admit it. I buddy of mine had a 40 y/o woman directly tell him she would never date someone as short as him(he's 5'8") Plenty of women list height as a requirement to the point where its a meme. I think height gets ignored when women want to ignore it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:44 AM
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I have seen above average girlfriends, we’re talking beautiful, hot, educated, tens struggle to find a man of similar caliber that’s ready to settle down. Its not something that gets pointed out that I've seen, but hypergamy inverts once you go up far enough in smv. Once you get into that top percentile of men, its the men that are rare and have most of the power, its an entirely different dynamic. Your girlfriend is likely in competition with a bunch of younger girls trying to fuck their way in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:36 AM
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Look at what people will eat when they are starving. Sex is much the same. That joke about post nut clarity? yeah thats related. Don't go to the grocery store hungry? If a guy hasn't had sex recently, its like having beer google glasses all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:20 AM
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No changes. You can try to change behavior but its the dynamics that drive the behavior, and I dont see anything changing the dynamics. Its a fools errand. Its not "the system" that needs to change its the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:12 AM
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I'm not even sure they are. Yeah you might find people that say that, but it mostly seems like a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 01:04 AM
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You're assuming all people hate their jobs. Most, sure. I think the person that would continue on as is after winning the lotto is rare. Hate is loaded, I'd rather say most people have those jobs because they essentially must. Comments about how men cant manage being stay at home dads is just gender based mudslinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 05:12 PM
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This is a perfect post on how young men only see young attractive women as women. OP thinks what makes them happy should make other people happy, and since op feels they would be happy if they were a woman, so its a huge disconnect. This is part of why such a huge divide exists in foreveralone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 05:06 PM
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Ignorance is bliss. More directly as things improve, expectations increase, people want more. I mean take it out of the gender debate. How many people are miserable today, when we live like royalty compared to 40 years ago. We have luxuries that people couldn't have even imagined. That would be great if that made you happy, but being happy is a very tricky thing. What you see women as having would make you happy, but dont try to assume it should make others happy. Also problematic, you are proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 05:00 PM
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I'm saying its a hypothetical question and people are filling in the blanks to answer it. You are filling in the blanks in a different way, so everyone is basically answering a different question. People start with why or what it means and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:50 PM
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Plenty of women would disagree with you given how common it is. Maybe you just mean you can make ends meet without doing so, sure, but thats not the same as "absolutely no reason"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:37 PM
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wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:32 PM
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Its because the answer often gets formulated by imagining the kind of guy that would pay for sex. Any surprises if the imagined guy isn't Richard Geres character from Pretty Woman? I doubt Robert Downey Jr. has any trouble in this area. I'll admit that this is not the only reason a woman would avoid a man who has paid for sex. I just think its the most likely to be the case. Yeah its possible that an objection could be based on principles etc, But as with above if a Robert Downey Jr type comes a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:30 PM
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Very unlikely. If It would be to easy to assume that they were still a sex worker, they just wanted a contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:12 PM
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I have a hard time not seeing my mother when this comes up. Lets just say its a pretty negative association.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 04:10 PM
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Eh another explanation for women slut shaming is if you are a woman who wants to use sex as a tool, artificial scarcity is what you want. Lets grant for sake of discussion that such a motivation for slut shaming is rare, those are the most controversial voices and the most likely to get attention. Controversial views pandering to a demographic also tend to generate more content due to the profit motive. Being cheated on is going to be a painful memory for anyone that cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 01:48 AM
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I cant help but think it gets opposed because women are reading into what a paternity test means or how they think it reflects on their gender. Simply put the magnitude of the obligation magnifies any fears related to the obligation. If you are 99.5 % sure your woman didn't cheat on you thats pretty fucking sure. that .5% looms larger in the context of a 20+ year commitment, esp in certain contexts. What woman is 100% sure their man has never cheated and never had even the slightest doubt? Seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 01:30 AM
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Not sure how that relates to my comment. I'm not saying it doesn't, just that its not obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 01:04 AM
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No, I think its when its clear the situation is salvageable in a realistic way. If only [this happened] I think things would change. if the blank cant be filled in, its over. If a woman marries a guy who then gains a lot of weight and becomes very out of shape, if that blank can be filled with "if he got close to the weight he was when I was attracted to him, in similar physical condition" Then its salvageable. I'll also grant that it might not be obvious what the way to rekindle things would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 01:01 AM
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I'm going to guess this was known relatively early in the relationship. In that case I'd differentiate it from a dead bedroom because what usually gets people bothered is why its a dead bedroom, in other words who gets the blame and what does that say about me/my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:41 AM
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IMO if you are legally responsible for a child, the right to a paternity test should be a right automatically granted by with that responsibility. Anyone who says otherwise has issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:35 AM
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Its theoretically possible to divorce or amicable terms and in a way that wouldn't be called divorce rape you know? If a relationship is over its over though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:20 AM
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Why does everyone in the thread seem to assume vaginal penetration is the only noteworthy action. If a guy starts complaining about a dead bedroom and his wife has attempted any number of other things to satisfy him, thats totally different. Its only appropriate to act as though the only sex that counts is PIV when one party defines it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:12 AM
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Absolutely, but care must be taken to be precise enough about why starfish sex is a problem, or that a working definition of it exists. "Ugh you're disgusting here's a hole lets get this over with" provided on a schedule or only after immense pressure/coercion is awful. Complaining about men treating women like a hole is also complaining about women who act like a hole. Its easier to say that I've never seen someone who genuinely wants to be on either end of the starfish. Equally I'd say no man …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:01 AM
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People do things for others all the time that they would rather not do, its interesting that this is where the line gets drawn, that this is the special thing. Is it about power? passive aggressive/vindictive/spite? All kinds of shitty reasons. The argument usually gets derailed quickly by what a person is or isn't entitled to, or more hyperbolic and absurd framing, like how marriage legalizes rape. Thats all shit that deflects from unpleasant truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 11:20 PM
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Its the source of the joke "What one food reduces a woman's sex drive by 90%?. Wedding cake." fundamentally people tend to act one way to get what they want, and once they get it the act stops. Happen from both sides of relationships. You could gender swap this as "What one food turns men into a sexist slob? Wedding cake" and it has the same fundamental idea behind it. I'd avoid making claims about how common this is without data to back it up though. This sentiment could apply to anything, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 11:13 PM
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after childbirth it takes a while for the vagina to heal. That’s technically a medically induced dead bedroom. I dont really see it that way. the obvious is that it assumes that the definition of dead bedroom is a bedroom absent vaginal penetration. I'd avoid using any medical issue that is likely temporary in this context because its a bit melodramatic to complain about a dead bedroom for something that will pass in less than a year. I'd also say with a medical condition the desire might be the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/19 10:41 PM
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Law and order right?
/r/MGTOW19/10/19 01:55 PM
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It varies. Florsheim on the cheap end is pretty poorly made, so you get what you pay for. I'd go Allen Edmonds personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 12:04 PM
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I'm 40 and have several 60+ family members that cant distinguish between socialism and communism. Not knowing what either is no doubt doesn't help. Their working definition seems to be things I like = not socialism, things I dont like = communism, things I really dont like marxism. I have only a vague idea what communism is, so I dont know what an actual implementation would look like. I'm not so ignorant as to conflate communism and socialism when healthcare comes up. That's a pretty low bar th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/19 01:08 AM
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Its a bit like saying a lot of people think the earth is flat. For just about any view a non negligible number of people believe it. Even if you could provide poll numbers showing x% of a generation support communism, I'd have to see it in the same light as the old joke about ended womens sufferage. Such a poll would need to include a test to filter out people who have no idea what communism actually is. Its not unlike the right constantly mentioning Venezuela, when no one wants to be more like …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 10:55 PM
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I dont know anyone that actually hates capitalism anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:51 PM
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yes people are allowed to hate capitalism and enjoy the fruits of capitalism in the same breath Its easy. I can give an example of something almost universally hated that is a direct result of capitalism. Telemarketing! I can voice irritation with aspects of capitalism without hating capitalism as a whole as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:46 PM
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Plenty of reasons exist she could have those shoes that say nothing negative about her, but that doesnt help shitposters rub one out over marxists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:43 PM
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Doesn't matter. Even if you could prove it, the goalposts just shift to blame. People often will admit something only if they can frame it by placing blame in a way agreeable to their ideology. Its not like people dieing from rationing insulin got there by buying an iphone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:39 PM
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people on this sub are real mature The choir this shitpost is preaching to isn't looking for discussion. A serious on topic reply is pretty pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:28 PM
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Its not saying anything, its a shitpost that is just making fun of a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 08:23 PM
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My point is that its a poor way to try to try to predict the results. Poor or rich, educated or ignorant, people are just people. Its like people who accuse republicans of being anti science like democrats are so rational/educated. An alarming number of antivaxx nutjobs exist on both sides of the aisle. People just ignore that and build the caricatures they need to support their identity. Atheists run into the same problem, where any number of them are into all sorts of absurd shit. I was a busi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 11:01 AM
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But let’s not forget that it was the democrats who fought to uphold slavery Do we really need to pull out the Dinesh D'Souza playbook and start arguing about how the parties flipped? Its not an interesting argument because it about people too attached to their identity as a D or an R, so people want argue about who farted first. Lets say I grant that democrats were pro slavery until history moved on. So what? Its not moral posturing, it was directly relevant to the point you made. vote themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 01:36 AM
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I do think land owners, and military personnel (past and present), is a good way of choosing voters very few people would be able to vote and the 24th amendment would come up instantly. Talking points about the size of the government or number of regulations are irrelevant. They are just silly sound bites for people with a short attention span. Both are exactly like the dreaded entitlements. Most people believe they should be cut, but not theirs. Look at the defense sequester as a good example(p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 11:41 PM
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Unlike today, where millions of plebs (like yourself) vote themselves gibs from hard working productive people. I guess you missed all of the voting going on to try to retain slavery. Whats next you'll defend that too? wouldn't surprise me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 04:05 PM
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mostly sad and depressed people not crazies Of course. If they were crazy people would be afraid to fuck with them. Bitter angry trolls venting is more likely. Absolutely all about punching down.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 03:58 PM
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I get it, I have an opinion you dont like so I bought nonsense. Let me guess you dont think black people should be able to vote either. You dont like the way women vote because they lean left more often than right. Lets not pretend that you'd still want women not to have the right to vote if they were there maga crowd. Ahhhh the good olds days where only wealthy old white men could vote eh? Trying who can vote based on why they vote is a hell of a slippery slope. People voted for Trump based mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 12:34 PM
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You'd need to define sexuality in the context of that question for me to even attempt a serious answer. I think it would be difficult to do so in a way that doesn't make it a loaded question. Beyond that I'd say while once sufficiently defined I probably have an opinion, but I'm to the point where I'm nearly a solipsist. The more I've learned about what goes into why people believe things, the less confident I am about my own beliefs because I can know what I know an simultaneously exclude mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 11:17 PM
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\Not sure how you got that I dont respect that people died for the rights that I enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 11:16 PM
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I never fought in any war, never even came close. I got the right handed to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:50 PM
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SPLC is a bit of a joke imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:46 PM
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When you're used to fawning attention from men, a little negativity looks a lot like hate. Reminds me of when women say they cant stand women. What I hear them say is "I cant interact with people without the enormous deferential treatment I get when its a guy trying to get into my pants. Basically just spectacularly shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:40 PM
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I don't think female teachers having consensual sex with students counts as "rape" Interesting defense of rape. But yes, when the rapist is a woman often a different word gets chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:29 PM
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giving women the right to vote might have been a mistake. Yeah its this type of shit right here that brings us to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:18 PM
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It can be be sexist but thats not required imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:14 PM
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IMO its hard to call incels a hate group because it has no usable definition. People reject the literal meaning and instead use it as "a person who says something I disagree with" We already have words for more specific things like hating women, its just that "incel" is the current #1 insult. Its a caricature built out of confirmation bias. But you’ve got to face that fact that there are men in these groups that do want to incite violence. A statement to broad that it applies to every group. As …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 10:05 PM
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The "manosphere" seems to attract a lot of people who cant interact anywhere else because of how distorted the overton window has become. The overlap between it and the alt right is pretty obvious. Reddit is great at creating echo chambers. This sub occasionally has interesting discussions but its mostly concern trolling style posts where questions are not genuine. Its a bunch of mudslinging because labels are used for their connotation and not their meaning. They are lazy signals to the mob. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:48 PM
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Despite the no incel content rule they still shit this place up. Part of that is people are so fast to toss that label around as an I win. Its nearing the point where its meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:19 PM
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Sounds like satire of #killallmen Poes law folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/19 09:15 PM
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You cant avoid this by vetting your partners better, because the problem isn't with the partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:13 PM
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Yes imo. Part of the issue is what people want quite often ends up being something they dont want. contradictions abound, or if you prefer extremes. I'm not in doubt that a woman can pressure a man until he changes into a man a woman finds unattractive, all by increasing traits people would consider positive, because there are limits. Does anyone really think a man wants a totally submissive woman? Unless thats your kink I'd say no. Equally no one really wants a totally docile man either. (note …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/19 12:06 PM
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Trying to quibble over who is making the bigger investment is a silly thing to do, some people only do it because they feel it supports their desired conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:54 PM
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People get triggered over everything. Triggered and snowflake are so overused that they have lite meaning and less significance, especially on the internet where you can feed any bias you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:50 PM
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Thats a horrifying prospect for low value men trying to buy affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/19 01:42 PM
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Plenty of guys orbit 3s. I'm saying this because before I became aware, I orbited women I considered to be in my league. quite often I wasn't the only one orbiting. Your title is without a doubt an explanation for some orbiters, but we dont have any reliable way of saying more. Its a bit of an empty statement in that its certain to be true but demonstrating the significance... good luck. If anything guys that try to find their "looksmatch" are misreading the situation. I have no doubt that orbit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/19 09:20 PM
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I found it so funny how women I knew wouldn't go near me but after going from near poverty to landing a 6 digit job, I was suddenly a catch and the attention poured in. I had a similar experience. in my case I moved to the Philippines for work. My interaction with women changed according to my perceived status. When I moved back to the US I was back to being invisible.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 03:16 PM
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once men hit 30, the desire for marriage drops significantly I wonder how much of that is because once you've lived long enough to see multiple relationships, very few being anything you'd desire.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 03:04 PM
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Will holographic porn lead to more shutins causing the destruction of civilization? no. Technological unemployment plus a crude early sex robot or even a mediocre AI? destruction of civilization is a bit hyperbolic, but its going to be dystopian as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/19 03:40 AM
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I stay the hell out of it.
/r/MGTOW03/09/19 12:11 AM
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I have a niece that just turned 18. she said her current bf proposed to her. He enlisted. She has admitted to her sister that a friend of hers is her backup guy if her current bf doesn't work out. shes very inexperienced and the backup guy is an obvious niceguy waiting for his shot. She gets angry if he doesn't enough attention to her.
/r/MGTOW02/09/19 09:58 PM
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Its not just politicians, people do it voluntarily. Ive seen 401ks mutual funds etc described as ponzi schemes and its pretty plausible. Add that to all the rent seeking and moral hazards.
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 11:43 PM
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Why should an American get paid 3x more than a Mexican doing the same job? Lets just grant this premise for the sake of discussion. Why would US labor be competitive on a global scale? better, what would it take? Would it be worth it? to be competitive with china you'd have to look like china. I lived in the Philippines for a while, you might think the cost of living is low there, but that's because the standard of living was insanely low by American standards. I saw 5 people sleeping on concret…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 11:38 PM
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dopamine abuse with video games and porn especially is what is destroying the family unit do, men are checking out of the family unit. what men do after checking out isn't the cause
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 11:37 PM
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Homes were much smaller, hence the cost was lower. No shit, my folks are on their 3rd house, but they cant afford medicine as they sit in a house thats the definition of a McMansion. 3 full bathrooms, 4 bedrooms and a loft, a 2 3 3 car garage with a brand new passport elite(replaced a 3 or 4 year old honda crv) in it. leaving on vacation next month, anticipating hip replacement surgery on return, but they cant afford medicine. I dont know a single person other than myself that doesn't have a new…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 11:30 PM
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NAFTA just made the inevitable happen faster. It cant be prevented. In much the same way burger flippers and truck drivers wont have a job much longer. Even if the minimum wage went away, most regulations were repealed etc, the handwriting is on the wall. Probably the biggest lie in politics is this insistence that "only my team has the answer" I wish someone had the answer, but they dont. admitting that wont get you elected though. I think Ive fallen into some sort of nihilism. Maybe robots and…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 11:09 PM
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Ask yourself the question why a guy working an average job in 1950 was able to reasonably support his 1 or 2 child family, with a car and a house, but now both parents must work and in many cases barely scrape by. Because hyper-consumerism demands it. for a family of 4 to be supported by the income provided by one average job, the current state of things would see that as horribly overpaying. women entering the workforce might have thought they would get what the men were, but by nearly doubling…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/19 10:59 PM
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Paints too rosy a picture without any sources to back up a lot of claims. For example men being better tippers. does that hold where their is no possible ulterior motives? e.g. a straight man with a male waiter. If so, is there a correlation between that and income. We also need to rule out any tips observed by someone a man has romantic interests towards. I note you do deliveries, I'll immediately point out how flawed observation / personal experience can be. Thats not to say you are wrong, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/19 03:45 PM
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used to be in the camp that took pride in their work and would be the first to work extra hours when needed Eventually I learned that people like that enable management to create the environment that allows for the need for overtime in the first place all too often. By removing the consequences for poor management you just encourage more of the same. No matter how heroic my efforts things never got better, only worse. I was the sole member of a help desk that provided support to 130ish locations…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 04:30 AM
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A friend of mine is a little on the short side and has is probably 5'8" and 140. He has been mocked about both. One woman directly telling him she would never date a guy as short as him (an an obese 40 year old woman) when his eating habits came up he said he was average weight, a random woman passing(in the office) by say "Yeah for a woman" hes a bit nerdy/award, but not to where he cant function. all you need to do is meet him halfway. if we use BBT as a benchmark hes more Leonard than sheldon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 12:23 PM
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Lots of variance. one persons 2 is another persons 5. Without calibration its difficult to comment productively. Also important is a persons perception of their own attractiveness. a 2 that will date another 2 is less interesting than a 6 that will date a 2. In general I'd say as long as she has a somewhat cute face thats good enough if the personality is good for me to find a woman attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 09:22 PM
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So its not rape because we know you wanted it? pretty bad rationalization. Lets imagine your modestly attractive woman has aids and you know it. Or how about she wants to peg you with a jumbo strap on. I'm guessing that you have trouble imagining not wanting to have sex with an attractive woman, and thats clouding your thinking. I'm guessing waking up with a bleeding asshole would bother you quite a bit. I mean its free money though right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 06:48 PM
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Some people in group x believe y is almost universally true, especially if you go looking for it. Looking for nuance in an echo chamber that lives on bumper stickers it also a bad idea. Generalizations get turned into absolutes, never get clarified or challenged. Otherwise you'd find the shock jock level statement isn't what they actually believe. What people say is misleading, you have to judge by actions, and you dont have access to that information in this context. Finally mgtow/trp have beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 06:36 PM
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I'd say it starts when attractiveness goes down, standards remain the same as "peak attractiveness" and the men that will chase are all dramatically below standards, then the complaining starts. "where have all the good men gone" They are still there, just the ones you want have better options. If a woman lowers her standards accordingly, as you pointed out there are plenty of thirsty men out there. TLDR The wall isnt real, but its not men or TRP making it up, its the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 09:43 PM
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he idea that women will start crawling to loser men and get on their knees begging for commitment is a revenge fantasy Not one I've really seen, the most common context for the wall is "where have all the good men gone"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 09:19 PM
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You probably are more lonely and desperate than you are sensitive. Also a good chance lack of experience makes you fantasize about a relationship few people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 09:56 AM
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I dont even think agreeable is very important. Its how a disagreement is handled, and what types of things cause a disagreement. You dont need to be particularly agreeable not to be a giant pain in the ass. Passive aggressive behavior, non confrontational behavior leading to resentment, inability to agree to disagree, constantly turning minor things into major drama. seeking to use Ultimatums/leverage to "win". I'd apply these things to anyone. Most of it is probably he result of an unreasonable…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 09:38 PM
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need is the problem imo. I'm talking about financially. You end up in situations where people hate you, but staying with you is more convenient than being independent. This is especially true if a person gets complacent. Take someone without many job prospects, let them drop out of the workforce for a couple years and the problems escalate. If you split bills evenly you dont run into this problem, but if your method of finding a relationship is finding someone that needs you, its a recipe for di…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 09:04 PM
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it is that it's damn near impossible to escape it once you are in You put yourself in the friendzone, its not something someone else does to you. I see the friendzone as excessive effort being fake to achieve a goal. Its the effort and lack of results that are the problem. If you stop wasting time/effort being fake, you are immune to the friendzone. girl you like wants you to go do some stuff you think is boring? wants you to take her garbage shift at work? drive her to work for a month because …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 12:46 PM
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at its core, a friendzone strategy is about disguising one’s intentions If you do it on purpose sure. A lot of guys dont even realize thats what they are doing imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/19 12:38 PM
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identify with ____ philosophy but not the subreddit common, people are usually quick to say "but I'm better than those people"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 11:15 PM
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What makes you think men care about social status? False equivalence. The data doesn't support that men care about status in any noteworthy way. Its like "see men are bad too". people resent the implication and have a kneejerk reaction. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322128430_Different_impacts_of_resources_on_opposite_sex_ratings_of_physical_attractiveness_by_males_and_fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 10:18 PM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322128430_Different_impacts_of_resources_on_opposite_sex_ratings_of_physical_attractiveness_by_males_and_females ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women Obviously. https://evolution-institute.org/on-common-criticisms-of-evolutionary-ps…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 10:02 PM
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DK why guys think that women actively or subconsciously trick or exploit guys in the friendzone. simple math. Take an unattractive lonely guy that is working with 100 women, he will find the woman who will find someone more than happy to take advantage of the favor dispensing doormat he is all it takes is 1. This dynamic happens whenever anyone is making an effort with ulterior motives. Know someone whose friends treat them poorly? they probably bent over backwards to encourage those people to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 09:53 PM
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serial killers and stalkers can also potentially write well I wonder what you are implying :P
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 01:25 PM
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Why wouldn't it be? Its not like its an extraordinary claim. I know an average looking guy who got about 1 date every 3 months from OLD. He no longer bothers. He did that for a few years. Its not something thats wrong with him imo. Its not something that is wrong with the women either. Its just what happens when a guy like him contacts a woman whose inbox is perpetually stuffed with guys trying to buy affection and hes asking women out for coffee. I'm aware of his taste in women, hes not aiming …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 01:21 PM
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Cant say Ive run into many people that actually believe that nonsense. Not saying they dont exist, just that its about as worthwhile to discuss as people who are flat earthers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:36 PM
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Easy targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:15 PM
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Disagree. I basically considered myself MGTOW around 2005 long before I was aware it existed. I just looked at the facts and determined that chances I'd have a genuine two way relationship were next to nothing. I thought the most likely was finding someone willing to resent me ad tolerate me, basically the male equivalent of being fuckable. I didn't want that so I simply opted out. What did that look like? It hasn't been about women hating, I just dont exhibit all the over the top niceguy behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:55 AM
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No, and thats not quite true. for a lot of women men are useful idiots that will overcompensate by being favor dispensing machines in hopes of ingratiating themselves, mgtow is a rejection of that routine and an realization that women want nothing to do with you outside of your role as a useful idiot. Its not required to hate women though, all you need to do is treat them like you would a man. Dont do things for a woman you wouldn't from a man, remove underhanded ulterior motives. Mgtow is exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:33 AM
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Leftist ideology thinks I should give up more than 20% While I have no doubt for any position you can find people that believe it, this statement is a characterization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:46 PM
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Hard to make much out of one incident. I have family in law enforcement who worked with a cop that shot himself in the wrist like a dumbass. I cant remember what he was doing.
/r/MGTOW12/07/19 12:22 AM
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Women are starting to date down at least when it comes to education because the dont have much choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:07 AM
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Why wait to have fun when you're 60? because Walmart is phasing out greeters and working until you die never sounded fun anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:05 AM
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When the future is dim people live for today no doubt. I lived in SE asia for a year and saw people practically starve for a month or two to buy a cellphone or take a trip to get drunk somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 12:04 AM
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Only 2 bedrooms, but that's all i need many people get dream-home syndrome and look to see how big a mortgage's the can get and have a new house built because ewww used.... folks are on their 3rd new home, each progressively larger than the last... something like 2k sq feet, 3 full bathrooms, 2.5 car garage, sunroom... Pretty crazy given they also bought a new car to replace a 6/6 year old crv... and they complaion about not being able to afford meds. Sister is on her 2nd new house, the first wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:57 PM
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It's not the economy, we spend more. New every two phone bullshit make a few choices like that in a month and you're broke. $200 cable bill, $100 phone bill.... Shit adds up fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 11:55 PM
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Being self absorbed isn't gender specific. Far too many people fit in that category.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 02:52 AM
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Dont forget that lifting 3lb pink weights is "toning"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/07/19 11:12 AM
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since relationships require a deeper connection they dont. People can have a relationship for all kinds of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 05:27 PM
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you could do all of that before the internet. It didn't give us that, it just gave us more of that. Its like saying pizza delivery gave us obesity. getting food delivered was around long before that. The earliest known reference to delivery services of the kind modern eaters know and love today in fact comes from a Chinese restaurant in Los Angeles. In 1922, Kin-Chu café proclaimed that is was “the only place on the West Coast making and delivering real Chinese food.” lol 1922. Yeah the internet…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/19 04:49 AM
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Its a bit like asking if the cause is any different than the effect. My main point though is that people react to everything but the idea. Its a defense mechanism/cognitive dissonance at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 06:14 PM
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Most of the existed before, the internet only made them more accessible. I say most because its subject to how you define things, but I'm pretty sure you have to be pretty pedantic to reject all Camwhore didn't exist you say? what about peep shows? Porn has existed since cavemen started drawing on walls. Phone sex hotlines were a thing too. OLD? yeah, classified ads were the same thing. Differentiating the medium because of the magnitude is like saying murder didn't exist before the ak47/ar15 I …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 05:35 PM
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People reject assertions based on the anticipated conclusions rather than addressing the assertions themselves. Most dissent should be read in that context imo. I'll grant thats less than ideal, but when something rises to the degree of absurdity that a person is basically rejecting reality, how else can you see it? The rejection of the sentiment "its a sellers market" gets translated into "women are picky"/ "women have it easy" etc and those are what people are responding to. Its a series of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/19 05:26 PM
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I've seen people who say they are women who state sex is a risk that it not enjoyable. "some" ____ believe just about anything, its a meaningless statement. Having grown up listening to decades of women telling jokes basically about how guys are bad in bed doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/19 02:44 AM
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The Running man came out 12 years before that :D I could probably find dozens of even older movies with a similar theme. Fun fact Stephen King wrote The Running Man in 1982. 17 years before The Battle Royale. I'm not convinced The Hunger Games was plagiarism though. The Battle Royal apparently has neck trackers that explode if you attempt to remove them or if they dont stay where they are supposed to. If you've seen The Running Man that should sound familiar lol! If you never saw a nail before a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 05:11 PM
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lazy gender swap reboots are an insult to the intelligence of the audience. Its like saying "women are dumb enough they will buy anything if we have enough women in it even if they dont watch that kind of movie" Ghostbusters is a great example of how the audience isn't that dumb. with a domestic gross of 128mm and a production budget of 144mm its clear that women didn't go to see it. Sure you can try to blame sexism/ the patriarchy, but its unconvincing nonsense where its clear we started with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:33 PM
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"people" can and will say anything given enough of them. You cant create a male character without the same criticism to be fair. The problem is when its obvious pandering (femthor/ironwoman/catwoman/shehulk/shera etc) I dont remember anyone saying The Hunger Games was basically The Running Man. Googling it, people did, but its only something I thought of writing this post. I just enjoyed the fucking movie. Ghostbusters crossed the line, the hunger games did not. If people want to nit pick they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:20 PM
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Plenty of original movies exist, they just are not the heavily promoted blockbusters. It also depends on your definition of original. If you want to be silly about it, you could probably knock out 95% of all known literature with 15 of 20 tropes/ motifs, so in that sense nothing new has been written for thousands of years. It starts to get into calling categories the same. Is Inception basically Dreamscape(1984) well yeah, but thats like calling all people the same by ignoring all of the details…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:02 PM
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this the influence of economic status on the attractiveness ratings by opposite sex raters in American, Chinese and European populations. We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females. These results indicate that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women. Neither raters' BMI nor age influenced this effect for females rating male attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 09:39 PM
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I didnt know. I know people that say shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 12:03 PM
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Poe's Law lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:39 AM
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People have different reasons for doing shit, on reddit especially someone is always trying to be a gatekeeper. Personally I find in attempting to explain why I disagree with someone, I gain a better understanding. A person that holds a position that has never argued about it probably hasn't put much thought into it. Its useful and amusing exercise. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, that would be a waste of time. I generally dont care about people, and even if I did posting wouldn't help t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:37 AM
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You wouldn't bring that up if you've been to a nursing home or two. Its not the men dying alone in the nursing home its the women. My 92y/o grandmother passed 5/4. On one visit she bitterly pointed out to me at lunch how many women were there Not many men make it to that age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:22 AM
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OP doesn't know enough see that a lot of it is about how to understand interactions between men and women. What use a person wants to put that understanding to is up to them. Its like a weapon, it can be used offensively of defensively, by both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:17 AM
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Irrelevant, women are every bit as capable of creating tinder. If men didn't, women eventually would have. Tinder wasn't even an original idea, its just some polish and monetization on ideas that already existed for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 07:08 AM
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(how comes frat guys with a 'dad bod' are in while anorexia or unattainable, photoshopped slim thick is in for women?) Eh, unattainable examples abound, call a woman fat/gross and it sparks outrage. Call a man that and no one bats an eyelash. TIf anything its probably related to the "value" of being attractive. Men dont get much out of their looks, except for the extremes. Any bets on if a study about dad bod was done, manipulating signaling for wealth, the dad bods that look like pizza guys get…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 12:08 AM
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but you’re completely dismissing the point. I'd agree with that, because I dont think there is one. I'm not dismissing anyone. The only person I have control over or responsibility for is myself. You are pointing at an old argument that happens in every group. Its about tribalism /identity. criticizing the in group threatens cohesion and the result is you get excluded from the group. Reddit demonstrates this quite well. Classic reform from within or attack as an outsider. People have preferences…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:29 PM
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The world promises men nothing. Men dont grow up on a steady diet of "you're a princess" propaganda. men get told suck it up and tough it out, you are not special which is basically the opposite of the princess narrative. If we define happiness as the difference between expectations and reality, any surprise even the mgtows are happier than someone who thought the won the lottery by being born, only to slowly and painfully have that illusion ripped away over the years?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:51 PM
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psychopaths you have in your midst, and how their interactions with women paint all of the manosphere in a bad light Oh boy this is going to be a fun game! Name a single group that doesn't apply to! At best you can try to assert something that is fallacious/unsupported. "Yeah you can make a caricature out of any group but men have a higher frequency of bad behavior? Once you control for capacity for bad behavior, the size of the group, and context I dont really think there is much to point out b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:46 PM
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I understand that TRP is about getting laid You have a poor understanding of it. Thats like saying a hammer is about pounding in nails. both are just tools suited to many purposes, you are are focusing only on the part of trp that fitsyour narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:38 PM
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This is a gish gallop instead of a single proposition Rather than reply to all the mud you are slinging I'll try to reply to the central premise. Degrading/disrespecting women has never been a barrier to getting laid. It so obvious I'd consider it axiomatic. The "manosphere" you blame does a better job of telling men why they have trouble with women. The higher a persons (man or woman) smv is, the more flawed they can be and remain attractive. The guys complaining about lack of any romantic atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:24 PM
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the question is: how much? This is not a dig at you, but its a pointless question. I'd rather ask how we arrived at a place where Jeff Bezos is closing on $150 billion dollars and we have people dying in the US because they cant afford insulin. I think the actual answer is worse than most people think. I think the issue is that we waste enormous amounts of resources. If the resources wasted instead were redirected, we'd all be better off, we'd have much more quality at the price of less quantity…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 09:05 PM
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Rape culture and rape apologists folks. Projection at its finest.
/r/MensRights03/05/19 06:08 PM
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I agree with most of what you say here. The issue is what it always is... money. Money goes a long way fixing most of these problems. Better pay = better officers, more hesitation to do something that will result in termination, more oversight etc. You take a bunch of poorly paid over stressed overworked people and put the in a pressure cooker that appears designed to create misanthropes and throw politics onto that dumpster fire and you will have trouble. Having officers work in a team would pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 05:56 PM
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That people are bad actors are is not solved, that would be a utopia, or given human nature only possible in the most Orwellian sense. Outside of that, its solved. That is we have mountains of case law on all of this shit and a process by which to address abuses of power. A who watchers the watchers appeal to boundless cynicism isn't productive, its just solipsism. I cant see any conclusion other than "the police should not have the capacity to do bad things" which would also mean they would lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 01:35 PM
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We are just going to disagree here. The person making the accusation has no expectation of privacy with respect to evidence relevant to the accusation. This is no different than police requesting the contact information of people the accuser confided in after such an event. Its about cooperating with an investigation. If the accuser doesn't want to cooperate, the investigation can end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:55 PM
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Its already solved essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:48 PM
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because the police will just use this data to go on fishing expeditions Seems a reasonable concern, so that doesn't mean it that data doesn't get collected, just that we talk about how to ensure its use is limited to the scope of the case at hand. unless significant public interest exists in doing otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:36 PM
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Refusal however imho should not be the sole grounds for cancelling an investigation or be treated as an indication of guilt. No, but refusing to cooperate with an investigation ending the investigation is reasonable. Imagine I had a security camera and refused to provide footage to the police when someone broke into my house. Or a person discussed being raped with multiple people, but wont say who.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:28 PM
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very much like victim blaming - you’re treating them like a criminal. Nonsense. I expect people to provide access to any available evidence that is relevant to the claim being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:19 PM
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You can choose between privacy and justice, the two are fundamentally incompatible. If you or a relative was raped, would you not be angry af if text messages substantiating that were ignored because the police are luddites?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:14 PM
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Now the amount of evidence required for a case to go to court has been increased, it can't just be a "he said, she said", you need to show sufficient evidence sex was not consensual. If its anything like the US, the burden of proof for a criminal case has not been changed. The point of a trial is to prove a claim beyond a reasonable doubt. Requiring the collection of more evidence doesn't mean more is required, thats a faulty inference. If cellphone based evidence was required all cases lacking …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 12:09 PM
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Courts dont determine innocence That said, any and all evidence should be collected and presented. Any other sentiment seems to start with the assumptions about nature of the text messages, that they can disprove rape to an extent, but wont tend to support a guilty verdict. The issue is the framing. People will object to the premise that that it cuts down on false claims. Those people if asked would no doubt object to the premise itself, but not go as far as to say false claims should result in …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/19 11:58 AM
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abandon all my morals just to stick it to him When money is up for grabs most people abandon principles and the hamster it up. see Ayn Rand and social security.
/r/MensRights02/05/19 01:17 PM
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A man with ulterior motives is evil, despicable, memeworthy, pathetic. A women with ulterior motives? well... people see what the woman uses as leverage as so valuable, so sacred, that people cant see it any other way than as being the mans fault when it blows up in her face. All those silly memes about women being children? its caused by shit like this. The worst part? This pattern of behavior is present in every social context. Its a product of need. People allow need to make them into someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 04:27 AM
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I do think men are more "pure" when it comes to love and romance I wish I could say that. I just think the people are awful. Shallow, opportunistic, selfish, deceptive. I think if the average person was honest and upfront, no one would talk to them. Society teaches people to lie for several reasons, not the least of which is that it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 04:03 AM
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this is why I don't understand why women get so upset by the stratagems employed It upsets gender dynamics in a way they dont like. Its not hard to understand. If TRP was Oprah book club level popular, favor dispensing niceguys would vanish overnight. A world without those guys propping up the smv of women. Even though women will tell you they detest those guys they dont. A world without them is some dystopian shit for them. They want the niceguys to stay in their lane.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:56 AM
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Too late sums it up for me. I rejected with every fiber of my being a lot of redpillish stuff when I was younger, then had it demonstrated to me in a nearly indisputable fashion. It shattered my worldview and everything I wanted to believe about gender relations. I was 27 at the time, bit too late to "git gud" People can say its never too late, but really whats the smv of an unattractive man that just graduated college at 35 and has a shit job with a BA in business and 30k of debt? that where I …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 12:49 AM
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yet mgtows and incels only started appearing at the same time with the whole SJW apocalypse correlation/causation. I'd say mgtow is the result of the spread of information in the environment created by OLD. Bit of an ignorance is bliss situation. The ignorance is being slowly eroded, much to the dismay of people who befitted from that ignorance. Am I saying TRP/mgtow have it completely right? nope. but they are far more informative than the nonsense I was fed as a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 11:58 PM
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Took 5 seconds to determine its something that has likely been misinterpreted/blown out of proportion. I'm going to guess further that its just an inaccurate political smear. Its origin appears to be NYCs green new deal, just the name alone probably triggered a lot of alt right folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 11:44 PM
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A lot of the hate isnt hate, its just how people react to ideas that so strongly clash with their world view. All too often someone states a simple observation and the well oiled ad hominem parade goes marching though. Seems rare that anyone asks what lead to a position, or why someone thinks something. devoid of context its difficult to credibly call most things hate. People are being actively taught to interact with everything in the most antagonistic way. Exaggeration, submissiveness, belittl…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 11:38 PM
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Its not that any reason is, its that so many of them are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 08:42 PM
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that's when I learned AMALT All people are like that imo. Lonely people have a pattern of one sided interactions driven by need. People like to be on the receiving end of that dynamic provided the other person knows their place. People dont want to see it for what it is though because doing so would mean they can in good conscience benefit from it. I try to avoid making any attempt at being friends with a woman. Its reasonable for women to suspect ulterior motives. Even if I have none I cant hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 08:22 PM
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Anyone that identifies that pattern of behavior but encourages it is a bad actor. That goes for either the person being orbited or the orbiter. It doesn't need to be shut down, just dont ask for or accept favors, or otherwise encourage a person to act in a way inconsistent with their personality. Flip that and you have a recipe for how not to be an orbiter. Consider what makes an orbiter the target of so much criticism is the ulterior motive. Identifying an orbiter and participating in the farce…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 08:02 PM
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Both are big red flags where you'd probe for why before coming to any conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:19 PM
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subtle ways to "shut down" inappropriate attention from men No doubt. The issue though is wen a person is enjoying and encouraging that behavior they then complain and act surprised when it escalates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:08 PM
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Looks like what you value objectivity and are confusing that with third party perspective. I feel like men and women are so unlikely to be genuine friends that you might as well say unattached *heterosexual men and women *shouldn't be friends. *modify accordingly for all permutations of sexual attraction. In order for such a friendship to work, at least one of the two will need to be a unicorn. Its the scorpion and the frog. Unless all of a persons needs are being met, any close friendship is go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:01 PM
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no real MRA victim blames Making claims about a large enough invites the discussion to turn into a no true scotsman. I recognize the fallacy has not been committed here but who determines who is and isnt an MRA and what the official definition is? The answer is that you cant do either, at best you can say its inconsistent with your definition of MRA. Why does it matter? condemn the behavior instead of trying to defend the group, because defending the group invites allegations of supporting rape …
/r/MensRights28/04/19 07:18 PM
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Great point, but I wasn't that proactive when it was relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 08:05 AM
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I dont have an issue with the parasite framing. Even if I was confident the decision would be easy, if actually faced with it, I dont know that my confidence would remain. One time I had an ex text me congratulations you're a father, afaik It was spite and the rumor later was miscarriage (bit too convenient) but While I dont know I could remain confident, but the closest Ive ever been to the situation, my thoughts were consistent with my current position, I didn't flip to it being easy. I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 06:42 AM
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Even on a personal level, I cant see it as an easy choice. living in a very liberal place wouldn't change that. The more time has transpired from conception to abortion, the less comfortable I am with it because it increases doubt. Clump of cells before encephalization ? no problem, to a degree I'll acknowledge I'm drawing some fairly arbitrary lines. but thats the point of a fetal ultrasound, aside from the extra hoops, it removes that emotional distance. Viability is a fuzzy line, but again mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 06:24 AM
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Short of Aids, a pregnancy is about the worst complication imo. The thought that you can just hand-wave that away with "Oh she has easy access to an abortion" is nonsense. Look I'm about as pro choice as you can reasonably be, but I cant see it as a trivial decision. Each year in the U.S., 700 to 900 women die related to pregnancy and childbirth. But for each of those women who die, up to 70 suffer hemorrhages, organ failure or other significant complications. That amounts to more than 1 percent…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/19 06:02 AM
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15 years. Yeah, in the past year doesn't even scratch the surface.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:14 AM
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I think its a bit of a caricature. that a late 20s woman tends to be more attractive than a 40yo woman, I don't think its usually the age itself we are talking about. if its a 50yo man chasing an 18yo thats one thing, but a 40yo who finds a late 20s woman attractive? thats something entirely different. I don't know any man that would pick an unattractive 18yo over an attractive 30yo. Once we set aside that wrinkle you are asking is being shallow bad? sure, but thats the world we live in. If a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:09 AM
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Don't hit a kid who has a crush on a girl with this nonsense Yeah let him be a creepy manipulative niceguy, I hear people just love those guys! Then 20 years later when he hates women after he has been fed bullshit his entire life, thats a happy ending.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:20 AM
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Apparently you dont know what a metaphor is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:17 AM
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So ignorance is bliss?You seem to be going the solipsism route. "we cant know anything so why bother. I disagree. we might not be able to predict an individuals behavior. to predict a groups behavior is much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:07 AM
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Define "help". seriously, you'll find it difficult to do it because in order to agree on what the word help means you must agree on the goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:04 AM
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it's a net positive for women In some contexts, but not in others. When previously useful men stop being useful, people get angry and turn to mockery.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 04:50 PM
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If a woman is dating out of her league, shes going to be dating a stream of guys with better options who are likely to treat her in ways she describes as abusive, simply because a guy who sees her as ONS material insnt going to show the insane amount of deference a thirsty man in her league would. Most of the time I don't think women like being treated like shit, they just like the guys most likely treat them that way. Psychological exceptions/ kink aside of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:46 AM
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Also, we’ve kinda forced average girls into hookup culture to date seriously. Not many average looking, unspectacular girls can pull off delaying sex for months until full commitment is secured. Unspectacular girls can do this too. All they need to do is pay for their own shit. That men are not thirsty enough to throw cash at them for months on end when the relationship seems like a one sided farce doesn't mean they are forced to act a certain way. Once you remove ulterior motives, yes many rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:29 AM
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You've demonstrated a lack of good faith here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 11:12 AM
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That guy is a giant jackass with more confidence than is reasonable, I can just imagine whats in that book.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:34 AM
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Why do you guys pretend anti-Feminists don't exist I'd tell you I am one, depending on how you define feminist. that definition would need to include critical beliefs. Trigger warnings, safe spaces, the progressive stack, aggressively supports discriminating against men in hiring practices, brings up mansplaining/man-spreading constantly(both gendered insults). Any disagreement ends intermediately with check your privileged. de-platforming, pulling fire alarms etc. Title IX Kangroo courts, the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 01:15 AM
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I'm a lefty, but one of the hardest things for me to grapple with is how to balance compassion and barbarism. I'm with Thomas Sowell who said something to the effect that you get more of what you subsidize. I dont find letting people starve acceptable, and its certainly not affordable to do so. I dont know how to fix the problem but brutality until the problem fixes itself after a few generations of suffering pushes everyone strongly back into gender roles and stigmatizes pregnancy unless a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 07:17 PM
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they will make the dating scene much better for both genders overall Removing the ulterior motives that drive the dating scene is like removing inoperable cancer. Yeah, you'll see an occasional genuine relationship, but its going to be rare imo. Both men and women put up with each others shit because they want something. Once that stops happening...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:48 PM
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The issue is I think its hard for women to imagine how little a man will settle for, unless its being acknowledged in some backhanded way. People to like to trot out that women might buy sex robots too! So what! any surprise that men who feel women see them as wallets have nothing to fear from a robot with no bank account. The women who think men only see them as a fuckable hole? yeah, thats where the fear is at. No man "wants" that imo, its just that all to often its the only thing on offer any…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:45 PM
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man who has a problem with "men's rights" is clearly a whiny loser incel Funny, thats the exact same way MRAs get smeared. The continued weaponization of incel is shit imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:38 PM
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Absolutely! I did freelance work for a while and one of the hardest lessons to learn was that we teach people how to treat us. My mother is abusive af, I cant help but think its the result of 40 years of everyone around her taking the path of least Resistance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:28 PM
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If the reasons I consider myself mgtow stop being valid, then I'd also stop being mgtow. Its unlikely though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:12 PM
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as technological advancements result in ever lower wages and more women work, less men will be seen as LTR material. Sound absurd? the 40% of STEM women that drop out of the workforce with their first childbirth? thats going to shrink as the pressure increases. I'm not talking about automation either, thats too narrow in scope. a variety of different technological advances decimate labor needed. Its a vicious circle. lower labor power = lower wages = more pressure to be dual income =more availab…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 06:10 PM
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Shits absurd and yet people keep acting like marriage isnt a raw deal for men.
/r/MensRights24/04/19 01:01 AM
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An expectation isn't an action.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 12:05 AM
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Just the framing assumes men are evil. Asking for details gets labeled as victim blaming. as a thought terminating cliche.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:55 PM
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disabled and unable to work for food, even food isn’t an entitlement You've chosen a great example, perhaps by accident. That in many cases meets the very definition of entitlement, because often its the case that a disabled person spent years or decades paying into the system before becoming disabled. Even though disability is owed at that point, you'll see it called an entitlement in a political context because its an attack. The word has been poisoned by years of associating it with caricatur…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:52 PM
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I don't see where the entitlement is People confuse being frustrated with entitlement because its easier to be dismissive and insulting. People who make an effort with ulterior motives get upset when the effort yields no results. Its not just guys and not only sex either. If you pay attention and you'll see women upset when trying to use sex as a tool to establish a relationship fails. They make clear that the neither wanted nor enjoyed it and explain how they feel used. Same thing. I've started…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 01:32 PM
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The post you responded to is a very flawed caricature and lacks detail. The example highlighted is still common enough, but its part of a pattern of behavior. I think it would be more common, but as the economy gets worse the number of men who fill that role as a sole provider are decreasing. Either way its the classic if all you have to offer situation. Many men have nothing women want so unsurprisingly they only find the women that want money. When it comes to that, there are many variants of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 02:42 PM
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I'm totally ok with women who want to be a prostitute, where I have the problem is I cant gain any certainty that its not because a woman feels she has no other option. If you take a high school dropout with a drug habit and a kid, chances are her choices are lose/lose. Where I really get lost is that its ok to rot in a cubicle for decades whoring out your intellect. or on a construction site doing back breaking labor which is just selling your body in a different way. Everyone is forced to sell…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 02:16 PM
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Smart is tricky, do they really mean smart or is that a socially acceptable way of saying "good white collar job", in other words a dog whistle. I dont think intelligence is a trait too valued by either gender. I've read about studies where women value it slightly more than men, but I'm not sure if they managed to untangle it from what its used as a proxy for. Agreed that not all forms of intelligence are the same, but want to discuss some philosophical concept you find interesting? now you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:47 PM
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Provided someone likes my sense of humor, for someone that isn't a comic I do pretty well, but that never made a significant difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:39 PM
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If all you have to offer. What men will accept is not the same as what they want. A unicorn would be nice, but since thats not an option...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 01:34 PM
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As long as there was no deception its not an issue imo. If a woman has ulterior motives and it blows up in her face its on her. If she is only looking to have sex under certain conditions, shes in control of that so its her responsibility not yours.
/r/askTRP21/04/19 02:18 PM
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I wont defend a position I don't hold. As far as answering the cheap shots, they are not questions, so there is no answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 06:44 AM
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given your username I'm going to guess a general distaste for libertarians, not that objectivism is exactly the same thing, but the venn diagram of people who are Rand fans and people who lean libertarian has a lot of overlap. Given that I have to think you know what the stereotypical libertarian stance is and are just choosing to try to beat folks to death with the dictionary rather than addressing the actual argument. That its legal is meaningless when it comes to any other value judgements. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 06:20 AM
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Poisoning the well. you may not have done so intentionally, having simply borrowed the framing. If that is the case, you've borrowed from people seeking not to have a genuine conversation imo. Because of how this starts, you have to unpack theft, which is going to require unpacking the role of government. good luck on that. So please explain to me how exactly you paying some for your own kids is theft? This makes me suspect you did not ask this question in good faith Which is great now you can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 04:51 AM
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I see the same in my father. I'm 40. Ive watched my mom abuse everyone around her since I was a kid. I came to the conclusion that its not something that can be changed now. any attempt to address it would make it 10x worse for a long time before it settled into a permafrost of passive aggression. Enduring decades of temper tantrums just encourages bigger temper tantrums.
/r/askTRP20/04/19 05:45 PM
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I think people have a negative reaction to a person/action then set out to find to find way of expressing that negativity. I don't think much thought is given to it. Asking someone why something is wrong/immature exposes it for what it is. prepare for a lot of moving the goal posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:08 PM
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but what does acting your age mean? If someone tells you that its because you are not conforming to their idea of how you should act. Fuck that I'm 40, if you want to address a specific behavior lets do that but I don't give a shit about generic disapproval.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 03:56 AM
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And when the shoe is on the other foot? are you still pro discrimination then? Or only when it benefits you or you think its needed? that literally defines how we got into this mess. This approach only encourages more of the same, and we seem to be losing that game. I just want the vagina quotas to end, and that doesn't happen by trying to do the opposite. If people starting doing this in a widespread way when google is 99% male, the pendulum is going to swing back the other way hard. Right now …
/r/MGTOW18/04/19 01:49 AM
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I do as you do, and hire men whenever possible. What I find interesting about this statement is that the people most offended by it are the same people that are all about hiring a woman whenever possible. I dont believe in either. I just want whoever is going to do the best job, qualifications only tell you who has more capability. Overqualified people just quit when they find a better job, or worse the over-credentialed folks that think the job is beneath them but cant do better. Those people w…
/r/MGTOW17/04/19 03:39 PM
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Being an orbiter is like being dehydrated and drinking saltwater.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 10:57 AM
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disagree, its a charade that is harmful for the orbiter. I wouldn't blame the woman though unless she is intentionally curating orbiters while understanding whats going on. Men in general would be far better off if all the thirsty niceguy behavior stopped and that energy was redirected to something productive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 10:53 AM
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Its amazing that this is even a question. how far did each person drive? did one person go to a restaurant they didn't really care for? does one person only get asked when the other is bored/has no plans? does one person always have to initiate? does one person cancel plans frequently with no obvious reason? does each person pay? does one person spend most of their time on their cellphone or otherwise seem bored? so many interactions are one sided. I used to be a "niceguy", I stopped being one, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:59 PM
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Interesting that you listed activities but never give your definition the most important aspect, that things not be one sided. Very often an orbiter will participate in all of the things you listed as part of orbiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:40 PM
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Varying degrees of orbiter exist imo. I usually suspect the dynamic. I've known very few guys where they found a woman with enough in common to be friends. Guys who have female friends who they are not orbiting have probably found a unicorn. It happens, I just don't think its that common. Context is everything. Could I end up with a female friend that plays Path of Exile every day who cant wait for the next league/patch? yeah, that could serve as the basis for a genuine friendship free of romant…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 03:28 PM
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I have to respect your honesty, but a guy pointing this out gets shit on hard. It leads to some pretty problematic conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:36 PM
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I don't think you can "improve" your personality exactly short of glaring issues you'd be happy to be rid of. One persons agreeable is another persons passive for example. When I said I blame some guys, I was more of less thinking of thirsty guys who distort the situation. When it comes to personality I'm a fan of just be yourself. I'm not saying that as a successful dating strategy, but because the further you go into pretending to be someone you are not the less genuine interactions are. If al…
/r/askTRP15/04/19 08:39 PM
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TRP can make you angry or set you free imo. Most of the things that irritate you simply make sense, so why be angry. once you have the superficial understanding, dont stop there, keep going. after that ask if the situation is surprising/reasonable. read this Its going to make you even angrier, but what I want you to focus on is how its the dynamics of the situation that define "the game". Unless this article is satire, seeing the shoe on the other foot is eye opening. What I took away from TRP i…
/r/askTRP15/04/19 05:14 PM
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She just said something I interpreted as an ultimatum to stop hanging out with friends and I just said "nope this was my plan today, I'll be here a while longer. I found her with an empty pill bottle and a bottle of alcohol pretending to be unconscious, we called an ambulance, she continued the farce until they told her they were going to pump her stomach. I broke up with her immediately after the drama played itself out.
/r/askTRP15/04/19 02:56 PM
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If anything it was probably closer to how it feels to be a slightly below average woman who gets the feeling people see her as merely "fuckable" and have no interest in her as a person. As far as mentality, I did have the idgaf mentality because I just said "obviously this is my best shot, so I'm going to take it" I bucked one girls shit test and she faked committing suicide (no shit) Abundance mentality at work, even though I was unaware of the concept at the time.
/r/askTRP15/04/19 02:45 PM
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Philippines. Its not as though women threw themselves at me, just that the "ewww why is this guy talking to me vibe was generally absent. It was a total 180 from what I was accustomed to. It was very common there for people (men and women) to complain about women who only date foreigners. One such woman I knew was probably the most beautiful woman Ive known. She ended up marrying a foreigner that makes 10x the median wage compared to people in the Philippines. he looks like a total schlub. no su…
/r/askTRP15/04/19 01:41 PM
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Around 2005 Work sent me to a "developing country", overnight I went from low smv to relatively high smv, the difference in how I was treated by women was night and day. It shattered everything I wanted to deny about the interaction between men and women might call it bluepill shit, but I'm not exactly sure). I was there about a year, but that was enough for me to see things for what they are. Not everyone would agree with me on what that means, but I know its not this overly romantic hallmark c…
/r/askTRP15/04/19 04:12 AM
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Unless I'm missing something, the entire point was that she does do those things, for the right guy, and the right guy is not billy. Hes just the guy she settled for when she couldn't as easily attract the right guy. So shes not suddenly a prude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:53 AM
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The question is what do we do with that information?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:07 AM
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Lots of men here in PPD are fine with the idea that a damaged woman might be self harming by hooking up Lets say you are correct. Quite a slippery slope you are standing on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:06 AM
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why do so many women hook up if they don't want to? worse, its the female version of "niceguys" where sex is being used to manipulate and when that blows up in their face they get angry. Effort + ulterior motives + lack of results = bitterness. People think the "niceguy" caricature is only about guys and only for sex, but thats nonsense. Somehow people see through it when guys try to favor their way into something, but the same behavior from women and they are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 12:03 AM
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have a hard time keeping out of the beta or the friend zone. both are something guys do to themselves imo, so avoiding either just needs to be a conscious choice. Avoiding those isnt exactly the same as increasing romantic success, but it is avoiding behaviors that will decrease it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 08:14 PM
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I'd prefer over credentialed instead of "educated" though. A degree turns out to be pretty shitty for signaling purposes. Recent articles about women dating down in term of "education" prove my point. tbh I read about that a couple weeks ago and just realized thats likely the inspiration for my reaction.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/19 06:15 AM
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I started to quote bits of the article but realized its such a gold mine that I'd end up quoting most of it. TLDR cry me a river. This is just going to get "worse" What I'd give to see patrice O'neal do a bit on this article. Wait until they figure out the ratio doesn't get any better after leaving college.
/r/TheRedPill14/04/19 04:32 AM
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So valuable that it would destroy their business if men knew the real numbers. This, its radioactive imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 11:43 PM
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That was my instant reaction. rating are pretty fuzzy, but if you said she was an 8 I wouldn't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 11:04 PM
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but hundreds of men here have claimed it for years absent examples, the discussion is pointless. You started with the examples which instantly smothered the fire. guys saying shit like that are probably thinking moderately cute fat girl + brad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 03:54 PM
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lolnope. Its an exaggeration of hypergamy combined with thirst made possible by projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 03:52 PM
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I don't think it works like that. If you throw it out there to directly, you get the wrong reaction. by making women think about something you want to be subconscious. Its a bit too "Wheres the beef!" Its like how its weird if you are too aware of your own breathing A subconscious positive response to financial success is one thing, a calculated response is something entirely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 07:06 AM
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Because "solid career" is a tricky thing, and most men don't have one. a $75k/year job doesn't count. it has to be something with a lot of potential, and tbh I cant even give an example short of the obvious ones that prove that its a rare thing. In a time where degree inflation is a thing and women have outpaced men in education, the pool of men who meet the criteria is so small the trend of women marrying "up" in terms of education has reversed itself from what I've read. Unless you are particu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 06:02 AM
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I dont usually run into much obvious crazy incel shit. the crazy "pro forced marriage"/"legalize rape" types are just poes law in action. I wouldn't be too shocked that with the stuff that smells incel-ish to me, its someone who is having a really shit day saying some impulsive shit they dont really believe. you wont logic someone out of that state of mind, so I dont try. People generally cant recognize actual hate and thats not helpful. when someone says _ hates __ and I find out someone just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:38 PM
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I just dont see it, maybe they annoy you more? Religion has apologetics, an entire practice dedicated to attempting to defend itself. Politics has... uh whatever but its special. X didnt say Y. show a video and watch the fireworks start. I can give examples for both republicans and democrats. English gets intentionally misinterpreted because "the bad guy said it" Many words have lost their meaning, because attempts to correct sloppy usage makes you again... "the bad guy" The caricature of incel …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:06 PM
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You just described most people on most topics
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:05 PM
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one is ever actually argfuing for or against RP ideas anymore but actually arguing against incel ideas quite often ideas people dont like get smeared as incel ideas, like some kind of I win button. Its way overused. I've seen this happen with ideas that are basically a conclusion reached using RP as a starting point. the basis gets ignored it feels like attacking incel-ish things is popular because punching down makes people feel good, so branding an idea you dont like as an incel idea is a win …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:02 PM
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Or if a guy was financially successful. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322128430_Different_impacts_of_resources_on_opposite_sex_ratings_of_physical_attractiveness_by_males_and_females Bald? fat? old? no problem, just have money. https://evolution-institute.org/on-common-criticisms-of-evolutionary-psychology/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:04 AM
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You can choose who you have sex with. no guarantees that you'll enjoy it unfortunately. Thats why I said if she wanted to have sex with billy. If she wanted it, she got what she wanted, hard to see how someone getting what they want can be a victim, with only the information provided here. Again thats why I pointed out your framing with "fat billy", I'm basically saying you are implying she didn't want to have sex with him, and did it to manipulate. Thats some niceguy level bullshit. Do I need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 09:11 PM
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I would also say that this a great recipe for a woman to be used. She underestimates her worth and gets pumped and dumped by fat billy. In this example she only got pumped and dumped because she was trying to manipulate with sex. If she had sex because she wanted to, she didn't get used. The problem is if a woman sleeps with a man and assumes she can have a relationship with a man with equal smv to a man that was an outlier in a different context. Letting that experience influence her dating cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 08:36 PM
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It makes him hypocritical so I could see why discussing an actual definition is not convenient. Its not about convenience, its that we could argue it for the next 6 months and get nowhere. Thats why religion is such a great example, hundreds of years of arguing over what the bare minimum definition is. These label arguments happen on just about every label and are just derailing tactics. TBH I'm trying to find where OP identified as mgtow and not seeing it, I have to wonder if people didn't just…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:28 PM
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I can only guess that artificial criteria unrelated to ability to perform the task at hand can only result in sub-optimal results.
/r/MensRights10/04/19 03:24 AM
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So do we start firing women if they are over-represented in the boardroom?
/r/MensRights10/04/19 03:21 AM
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you are reading going your "own way" as meaning solitude or avoiding women entirely, its a very literal interpretation. arguing over the definition of a label doesn't get anyone very far, its a distraction. What a person believes and why is more important, so I wont try to tell you that your interpretation is wrong. Maybe a new term needs to be coined for men who reject expected dating conventions to the degree that they are pariahs in general. if such a term existed, I'd gladly use it instead a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 03:18 AM
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Trying to get men to stop acting like thirsty wallets seems futile. If a small percentage of men did this... well, we already have this, its mgtow. It draws a lot of criticism because mgtows are of no use to women, and they threaten the natural order (but not seriously)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:34 AM
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How are you MGTOW with a girlfriend? Lots of folks will argue over literal definitions of things, but I've always though of mgtow as opting out of the relationship rat race. If you are not an alpha and are not willing to be betabux, you are basically a mgtow at that point. I have considered myself a mgtow since the early 200s, but I wasn't opposed to the idea of having a significant other, I just felt it incredibly unlikely. It should be no surprise that "going your own way" means different thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:12 AM
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In the corporate trenches, so many people have a degree that has nothing to do with their job other than signaling. If you determine the worth of a degree by the career that it allows shit gets interesting. The number of idiots who have business degrees and end up in some bottom feeder office job with no actual skills is too damn high.
/r/MGTOW09/04/19 05:11 PM
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Just Being a provider is about as undesirable to a man as being fuckable is to a woman imo. It is an easy direct pathway to try to get what you want though. I went mgtow a long time ago because I decided that trapping someone in the comfort of losing their own independence until they hate me wasn't something I was interested in. Do some men do that on purpose? undoubtedly, but I also have no doubt it happens of accident too. Often shit like this is a result of the dynamics of the situation, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 02:28 PM
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"I dont like to brag"...
/r/MGTOW07/04/19 12:35 AM
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depends on how you define thirsty. if its basically a synonym for desperate. yes I'd say that applies to far more men than women, to the extent that productive discussion is difficult I've noticed that men and women and men have very different definitions of the word lonely for example. If I rephrase your topic as "men would be more superficial if they could be" then my response is "obviously, but they cant be!" Well, the top 20% of men can be, but boy do those men frustrate the hell out of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 11:19 AM
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I’ve witnessed so much shit that women put up with from the most average of men. I have to wonder how often the case is that its a hobosexual who lost the ability to be independent so they are more comfortable where they are. I know a woman who told me a year ago that she was living with a gas lighting malignant narcissist Shes still living with him in spite of "making plans" every time I ask. I think "making plans" means looking for a new guy to provide shelter. Shes a pretty vocal feminist too…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:45 AM
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Between feast or famine, I'd pick feast. who wouldn't? Women have a lot of self inflicted wounds caused by trying to min/max smv and not realizing that the diminishing returns are kicking them in the ass. spending hundreds of dollars on makeup, hours doing makeup? thats just trying to catch a 10 as a 4. That a woman who is a 4 could marry a 6/7 just by sticking with the basics isn't good enough. Trying to date out of your league just results in a string of relationships with guys that dont see t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:35 AM
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men are more thirsty. Men pretty much throw themselves at everything that moves This is dangerously close to being the opposite of superficial. I think you kneecapped your own CMV. Its like trying to call someone a food snob and they say "eh the dollar menu at McDonalds isn't that bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:22 AM
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I cant help but to think the tldr is that women dont enjoy sex and with the exception of outliers most women get as much as they want, which just happens to not be very much from your perspective. Its a post where the topic seems so poorly framed I'm not sure it can generate meaningful responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:17 AM
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Men at least equivalent to their smv have so many options without all of the baggage they bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:02 AM
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white knights support women. many women think they deserve better than they can get so they object to the notion that women have it better. That notion is why people have a hard time taking a complaint about being single seriously. Some very ugly women do really have it bad, but you have to be quite ugly indeed. One "foreveralone woman" complained about being so ugly she was invisible. She had an STD, was worried about aids, had a pregnancy scare, and had 2 guys chasing her she was not intereste…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 11:58 PM
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look at men 7' tall and their chances of playing in the NBA. that one trait has an incredibly strong influence. I'd argue thay being female is the gender equivalent of being 7'. Take a self described unattractive woman with a laundry list of mental issues and what do you get? a full inbox (unless she is spectacularly ugly) Look at the number of women who have had a child vs the number of men who never fathered a child. I'll try to dig up the numbers later but I'm guessing that a huge disparity e…
/r/askTRP04/04/19 11:31 PM
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I think its just men realistic with their smv who decide the only winning move is not to play. Thats different than"choosing not to be with women" because thats not even on the table. Any guy can find a woman willing to take advantage of him and string him along while he persists hoping for the proverbial crumb. Refusing to be betabux makes you a mgtow unless you have high enough smv. I made a conscious decision that I wouldn't be betabux around 2005 before I was aware of mgtow/rp etc. Even then…
/r/askTRP04/04/19 11:20 PM
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Basically hypergamy. I dont really want to rehash all the dynamics that enable hypergamy, it just results in a giant post of shit people already know. I'll point to the beta stampede trying to wine and dine their way to a proverbial crumb. https://i.imgur.com/6dNCWg2.jpg
/r/askTRP04/04/19 09:31 PM
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Not surprised at all. the tldr is basically hypergamy. you either need to have high enough market value that it works in your favor, or to be willing to put in enough time/money/effort to fight hypergamy. A lot of guys are just not that thirsty, but just enough are to maintain the status quo.
/r/askTRP04/04/19 08:53 PM
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wanting the best you can get is reframing hypergamy, pulling it out of the typical context. The desire isn't the cause of complaints its the dynamics of the situation. If you want to say guys just bitch because they are jelly sure, but that women marry uphas simply been true historically. Women marry men who earn more and have a better education, meaning in those contexts men are marrying down. Men wont marry down if they don't have to though! The education trend is reversing itself. As more and…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:30 AM
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assume you don’t have any specific technical skills Find a niche you can grow skilled and do that. I'm not saying it has to be tech, but get skills. Employers will pay you to learn by doing if you make the most of opportunities. you have to be in the right place at the right time after that. Many jobs have unexpected opportunities.
/r/askTRP20/03/19 12:46 AM
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dropped 3 points Without examples its pretty difficult to imagine what this would look like. I dont think it would really change much. The thirst would do as it always does. I'm not saying a nontrivial amount of men wouldn't just opt out, just that enough wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 03:16 PM
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Its not going to be long before being smart enough to get a "good" job is as rare as being tall enough to play in the NBA. focusing on automation is missing the context of things. It sets the proverbial bar far too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 03:09 PM
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You didn't just respond to a post saying the plural of anecdote is not data with an anecdote did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:30 PM
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Basically yes. That little voice that she has "settled", that she could have done better has a good chance at ending the relationship. That's the type of thing that eats away at people for 20 years until the divorce is spectacular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:26 PM
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Its a self inflicted wound where "like minded" hides all kinds of baggage. Basically the complaint is that the top 20% of men choose to buck hypergamy because they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:18 PM
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Using sex as a tool and being angry that it didn't yield the desired outcome is a problem. Its Niceguy 101 for women. People rightfully make fun of guys for that behavior. If a woman only has sex when she wants to, I dont see how she can end up feeling used. Its human behavior that when you have something someone wants, they treat you differently. Figuring out how to avoid being taken advantage of is an important part of life. That "niceguy" pattern? Yeah lonely people exhibit it with friends as…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 02:05 PM
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Being "RP" means different things to different people. Do I enjoy having a better understanding of the interactions between men and women? Not really, because I dont like the world works. so I went mgtow. I dont ever find ignorance is bliss a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 01:38 PM
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I missed that, but at 40, 50 is in her range imo. I'm 40 myself, so thats not just a lack of perspective on my part.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/19 04:24 PM
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I wouldn't say she is self aware, she seems to be in denial more than anything.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/03/19 04:27 AM
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Women today are already disadvantage in the dating market How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 12:00 PM
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A few similarities don't make a mirror image. If anything I think suggesting men should alter behavior for a long term strategy hoping for a unicorn would get you laughed right out of TRP. I cant see the wall as being the same for men and women. Sure you can try to hammer a square peg into a round hole and if you oversimplify enough you'll get there. I don't think the cc is what TRP makes it out to be. I think its a byproduct of women choosing guys unlikely to see them as LTR material because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:11 AM
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First impressions are different than LTRs If you are saying the world would be a better place if we were more honest, sure, but good luck with that. Most people (esp women) would be horrified with too much honesty) I'm not a fan of the "earn your way into the panties with chores" line of thought, seems like some full out "niceguy" level shit. Or is it ok in a LTR to have ulterior motives? fundamentally I think the problem is about communication/how people handle disagreements. People dont want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:02 AM
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I guess to me it comes off as false advertising Expecting honesty in a job interview is naive. same here imo. Everyone does this at times. The longer the interval the less sustainable it is. I'd say the issue is going to be about the difference in effort. if someone is spending 5 minutes extra in addition to the typical before the first time someone sees the place, thats nbd. someone that goes full out perfectionist when they are not is another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:22 PM
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Maybe women should strike and stop doing the cleaning. I think it would have less of an effect than they think it will. Bingo. much of the cleaning a "clean person" does is for them, not some selfless act. I also know people who have patterns that are the opposite of efficiency. those people often want to dictate how and when something gets done. The only way you get to dictate either is if you do it yourself imo. The saying if you want something done right...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:04 AM
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single men are just as bothered by mess and willing to keep comunial spaces clean when they live with other men. Caveats about anecdotes aside, the two male roomates I have had have been pigs even by my lax standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 01:09 AM
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I'd say the wall is just the point where a woman asks "where have all the good men gone" Trying to pin that to a specific age seems a bit silly, but it doesn't seem far fetched to say people get less physically attractive as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 12:33 AM
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Tomi Lahren without makeup Plastic surgery too but I cant be sure. /cant trust anything you see on the net lol.
/r/MGTOW06/03/19 12:44 AM
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I don't understand the whole "men and women can't be friends" Its not hard to understand. Most guys have little to nothing in common with most women so most "friendships" are a farce doomed to end poorly. Its obvious as hell when thats whats going on. I know a guy right now who is lonely and has let 2 different women steamroll him. We just had a conversation about how one of those women reacts poorly if he is not a complete doormat. He insists hes not trying to friend his way into a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:58 PM
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how do you decide whether or not you want to be friends with them? Same as for men. Nothing in common = not friends. If it feels like effort, thats a good clue that somethings wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 11:08 PM
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I use mayim bialik/kristen schaal (either +50lbs) as a point of reference to try to avoid having my "standards" strawmanned. Provided compatibility was better with amy, then amy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 08:20 PM
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Their are plenty of lonely desperate girls at my age (18-25 range) they just aren’t the perfect princess hollywoods promised so they are ignored. Nonsense, they get plenty of attention, just not from guys they find attractive, so that doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 03:07 PM
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Thats a lose lose. no matter what the answer is I'm the villain. The data associated with the observation is good enough, I'll let psychologists grapple with the why.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 06:08 PM
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you really think women care about cars? Women approached by a man driving an expensive Audi A5 Ambition Luxury gave their number 23% of the time. Women approached by a man driving a mid-priced Renault Mégane gave their number 13% of the time. Women approached by a man driving a 15-year-old Renault 5 Super Campus (worth only a few hundred dollars) gave their number 8% of the time. Women’s preferences for resource-related cues appear to affect their real-world mating behavior. TLDR: Obviously. sou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 04:23 PM
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dudes with criminal records can still get women, right?" In their minds it means, "women want felons." Strawman You must know better. Its snark aimed out how people overstate the importance of a "good personality" TRP's problem is not it's broad concepts, it's ther clientele. That doesn't stop people from making it all about a vocal minority and not about the ideas. Its like smearing all christians by constantly using the westboro baptist church.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 11:22 PM
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Sometimes you cant reasonably lower your floor price to be above a sufficient number of other peoples floor price. Its just a fancy way of saying lowering standards isn't the easy fix some people think it is. It doesn't help that the floor price for sex for men is crazy low and varies based on required effort. the thirst distorts the market because its difficult to differentiate LTR vs ONS. realistically the price floor for should be different based on context for women just like men but I suspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 05:47 PM
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I dont care if a woman is a virgin, but I might care about why though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 12:05 AM
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The implication is they settle because they have no choice once they are no longer have enough romantic interests to continue. That a woman could accidentally wind up in this situation by dating guys a bit out of her league who dont consider her LTR material is a blindspot of the idea imo. No guy wants to be the guy that is there when the music stops. good chance thats a marriage based on utility, not out of love. better off with a roommate instead if you are that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 12:03 AM
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Its a thought terminating cliche. thats the real problem.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 10:45 PM
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He is too charismatic for this to gain much traction imo.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 10:28 PM
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People make shit arguments and those easily knocked down arguments shine a bad light on everything else. Growing up I used to listen to my mother talk about how laundry took hours and was so hard. Its like gee what are you doing, carrying your laundry to the river? She liked to play the Martyr. choosing what how when, and if you do something makes much of it a self inflicted wound.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 09:05 PM
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I'll have to both agree and disagree. If all you have to offer is your wallet those are the women you will find. thats why going dutch on dates and avoiding cohabitation are important imo. the way you talk about time/effort/money says it all. Of course you turn to porn, not because women dont measure up, but because you dont. the rest is just bitterness. I dont think for one moment you prefer porn, you just prefer porn over the alternative which is nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 06:47 PM
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I dont know what "live up to" means. If you mean it literally, well yeah we are surrounded by fantasy 24/7 that no one can live up to. I'm not sure why we'd expect to or why not living up to fantasy has to be bad. Actual sex with a real woman is better than any porn I've seen, so I just dont see it. If porn was so good women couldn't live up to it, we'd have less guys complaining about not being able to get laid. If anything, porn cant live up to real women not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 06:15 PM
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Feels doomed to be an oversimplification. Yes each gender wants a partner that they find attractive, but why someone is attractive is so different that they are basically entirely different things for men and women. The only reason hypergamy doesn't apply to men is that for most men its not an option. Just wanting an attractive partner isnt hypergamy. even if I interpret your odd phrasing of "obtain attractive object-women" as "wants to date someone more attractive than they themselves are" Want…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 05:55 PM
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Porn is a scapegoat.I've spent the last 15 years watching all kinds of porn. but I have none of the issues people so frequently point out. Its like knowing one alcoholic and thinking everyone has problems with alcohol. When I've had a LTR, I had no desire to watch porn. Yeah, I could be special, but I doubt it. I think people who hate porn make a bigger deal out of it than it really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 04:51 PM
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Probably falling through the cracks is all. a man that isn't short term relationship material but not successful enough to be considered LTR material is going to have some issues. Its not that women actively avoid those guys, they just have better options. occasionally due to circumstance those guys end up having sex, but accidentally getting lucky once or twice in life isn't significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 04:24 PM
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Its a one time fixed cost. while thats not a good deal, any man who would pay that is the same man who would pay much more than that over months hoping for starfish sex from a single mom. Thats a big reason some women object to legalizing prostitution imo. the instant prostitution is legal, a lot of beta behavior which is little different than paying for sex ends. Even legalizing paying for handjobs would be enough to cause a massive ripple effect. We'd have restaurants and bars going out of bus…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:44 PM
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I've heard that the bottom 50% of men in society are completely sexless I'd not be surprised to find out that if you rule out various ways of paying for sex without an explicit cash transaction that the percentage is higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:20 PM
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Since this is a hypothetical and we can assume we know the facts. Even absent some negative side effect, simply not liking something is good enough reason for not doing it and not holding it against her. In general if she never tried anything in the past that she didn't like, I'd be worried she was either not telling the truth, or very inhibited. the rp idea of a girl who is just tolerating you because she wants a beta is a problem, but needs a lot of context/information to support.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:00 PM
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too much context needed, but in general any woman whose only option for independence is selling sexuality is a no because I'd feel like she looking for a provider as a way out. I'd also worry about her notions of sex/intimacy. Seeing sex as transactional poisons interactions between men and women imo. Cam shows can be anything from non nude to full out porn. Trust would be a potential issue. The line between a hobosexual and a prostitute is blurry which doesn't help, meaning the spectrum of prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 02:48 PM
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Just because you think someone is jaded doent mean they are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 06:32 PM
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Lots of anti condom propaganda make dropping condoms less than a slam dunk unless this has changed. decreasing the standard of living by deliberately withholding food would cause an increase in birth rates. The less likely a child is to survive, the more people end up having. You might think "let em starve" would work, I have to assume you are joking because if not it indicates a profound lack of awareness. https://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=et&v=25 Birth rates in ethiopia are down, and I' wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 08:05 PM
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Improving the standard of living decreases the birthrate, we don't need to stoop to genocide.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 03:51 PM
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zygote Fair enough its been a while since I read any biology textbook. I just remembered life period being fuzzy, shit like is a virus alive etc. spme semantics games appear possible with fertilization vs conception, but what I'm reading makes it seem unlikely that an Embryologist would draw the distinction. I'd need to probe further to see if we have any political nonsense going to muddy things, tbh I don't know. I appreciate the attempt to charitably interpret my misconception, but I was simpl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:19 AM
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empathy isn't a decision making tool. That is too close to saying if it feels good it is right. The actual problem isn't lack of empathy, but inability to admit that logic does not answer this question. People who have beliefs seek to justify those beliefs using intuition that looks similar to logic but isn't. Watch people use logic to try to prove logic invalid for fun. Its a bit of a maslows hammer. You can decide what to do when logic fails, but that does not work when people object to that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 08:20 PM
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people buy into what the find convenient more often than not. Its a very rhetorically tricky topic, even more so because its a minefield of memes and sacred cows. Science has struggled with defining life for a long time. Anywhere it struggles, religion provides the answer people want it to.(Bitter water aside) attempting to get anything axiomatic out of the situation fails instantly to another contradictory axiom. you just need to be clever enough to make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 08:09 PM
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Easy question to answer. Men both do and dont depending on their ideology and the current talking points. (and if it is or was personal) That is to say its probably not a well thought out opinion. combine that with the impossibility of having one directly. I can argue both pro-choice and anti -choice using "its easy" Its not about the opinion so much as the rhetoric imo. A man on the hook for a pregnancy has an incredible bias, being able to shift blame ("I didn't have the abortion!") while disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 08:00 PM
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If I use The Rock as an example, its not because I think that women want that much bulk, its just that obvious examples are hard and tainted with baggage.Any example I'd provide would basically just be "Not Drew Caery/Kevin James" tbh I never thought about teeth, Since I dont think about kissing guys, thats just a complete blindspot outside of extremes. Guys know that clothes etc are displays of status, a guy would have to live under a rock to think a tshirt is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 05:16 PM
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Since women are not a monolith women dont agree on what is attractive. Why would men do any better? Pick any popular attractive guy and women just cant wait to say how they dont find him attractive. Men do the same thing. some men cant wait to virtue signal "I'm not like other guys/I'm different/I'm better" That subjectivity for you. If its a guy that isnt/bi/gay I'd expect it to be even worse. how wrong is the question. I'd guess if given 2 choices and a pool of 100 women voting, I'd bet the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 04:37 PM
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No its correlation/causation. People who are not desperate have reasons for not being desperate, those reason are what people find attractive. Its the same as confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 04:12 PM
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Pretty Woman is a horror movie and a fantasy depending on perspective. You could probably joke about it being a Rorschach test for how people see relationships. What I get from it is if you are attractive/charming enough, people will overlook anything. Its hard to see the movie as anything other than repulsive, for so many reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 04:09 PM
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most modern women are generally narcissistic, entitled brats There you go! good demonstration of what gets called misogyny. so in keeping with my comment on this elsewhere, I can understand while you'd feel that way. but its not justifiable imo. I'd be more inclined to believe that you were just in a shitty mood and dont literally mean that. text communication is shit, no tone/body language etc and people often dont do a very good job of communicating either. I could jump to the conclusion that …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 03:18 PM
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No, just like I wouldn't blame a woman for the same. some people get a raw deal. gate-keeping by focusing on how you can blame the person doesn't help. Its a term that gets so overused that I'd need an example. I can make an observation related to women that is actually a negative about men and get instantly labeled that way. I can also just cite data that people dont like. Think that some parts of trp have value? People dont need to know anything about what you actually believe to label you. Mg…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/19 02:52 PM
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/yes you can push logic far enough that you break it. its not an absolute where you just grab the nearest guy an pin a bill on him. child support and alimony both need serious reform/modernization. I'd start by including paternity verification as part of the process of getting a birth certificate. short of a good argument against it, sounds like a good idea to me. the amount of harm caused by wrongful paternity is unconscionable. What woman wants their son, brother, uncle, etc to go through that…
/r/TheRedPill25/02/19 10:46 PM
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I'm not going to say you are wrong, but you've just defined them as "nicegirls" as having ulterior motives trying to manipulate/fuck their way into a relationship.of course people respond very differently to that pattern of behavior depending on gender. Yes, I noticed your flare. its just funny because guys cant say something like without a fire extinguisher handy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 10:25 PM
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Yeah its revolting no matter who does it, I dont need to make claims about which gender does it more of why to call it out as horrible. My conclusion was that its my dads fault for not putting his foot down early. example, the typical argument = sleep on the couch the only response is "no but you can sleep on the couch if you want" It doesn't mean you have to be an asshole, you just cant reward bad behavior. if you do, you cant ignore that you played a part in how things got that way. I'd apply …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 08:02 PM
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I dont care who initiates the divorce, decisions should be made on the best interests of the children. children are not proxies for revenge.
/r/TheRedPill25/02/19 07:34 PM
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I think on this is that belief is the default position It shouldn't be, but I wont argue that often that seems to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:28 PM
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laplace's demon boy thats fun! (I know that wasn't what you meant but...)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:25 PM
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What? Like who doesn’t believe in psychics? If this is a serious question, Ive never seen psychic ability demonstrated so why would I think they do? I wont claim they dont exist. I'd be delighted to find someone that could demonstrate such ability though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:23 PM
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I'm going to shoot from the hip and say the choice of woo is going to dramatically skew the results of the study. Expand woo and its probably 9 out of 10 people full stop. At that point I think any difference between men and women would be statistical noise. some atheists believe all kinds of stuff like ghosts, alien abductions, homeopathy,acupuncture, chiropractic, cupping, healing crystals, dousing, seances, demonic possession,telepathy, psychics dousing, auras, 3rd eye, tarot, palm reading, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:19 PM
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Oh I see them My father is one of them, but its the result of decades of abuse, not a preference. you can see it in his reaction with how quickly he buckles. hes a broken man taking the path of least resistance. Its tolerance not love. The observation alone doesn't provide the explanation, and often multiple explanations exist so logic alone cant get you to why. I'm not disagreeing that some men do indeed like it. I just doubt its significant. some guys have an actual preference for sbbw women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:10 PM
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depends on what a strong personality is and why a woman has that strong personality. not sure what a strong woman is outside of being an overused trope. I'd rather just use "Independent" yeah independent women are not vulnerable to an entire type of user, so they wont incur the opportunity cost of being with the wrong guy. Independence and confidence are closely related imo. No surprises that picking romantic partners for bad reasons yields poor results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:00 PM
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Men are not going to like this, but there is a type for the strong ball-breaking women out there True of just about anything, but the question is, how common is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 06:46 PM
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It depends on how you define "better men" I dont see it as controversial that personality can influence attractiveness, but the question is how significant the effect is. It also depends on what you define as a "good personality" its too subjective outside of the obvious extremes. People will tolerate a personality they dont like and thats all the demonstration needed that looks > personality. People try to tell you otherwise but actions speak louder than words. that doesn't ensure happiness tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 06:38 PM
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Just like alimony its not a problem if it only impacts men. I'd expect the right to want to see the draft ended to, so if the left wants to tear it down why not? who cares what the reasons are at that point.
/r/TheRedPill25/02/19 05:39 PM
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Poes law? You should be able to see why this looks like trolling. I dont care which gender is on the receiving end, if you let passive aggression and manipulation rule your interactions, you are digging your own grave. The path of least resistance is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 03:29 PM
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I don't think many actually exist, it just appears that way externally due to an oversimplification of trying to trying attraction into a single variable that excludes anything not physical. a variety of reasons both good and bad exist for mismatches.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:33 PM
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Orlando Bloom, Johnny Depp etc. probably just the exceptions standing out, but not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:31 AM
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There are also totally hot 400 pound women Poes Law.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 06:53 AM
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People argue about caricatures, especially where no "official" definition exists. rarely do I see anyone steelman an opposing view. Thats why I'd say I'm anti-feminist, with the caveat that I'm not thinking about reasonable people here, I'm thinking about Chanty Binx, Anita Sarkeesian, or Rebecca Watson I'm talking about the progressive stack. people who have made a carer out of making me the villain by playing the victim, yeah I'm against that. Oh the poor little guy got his manfeels hurt! add …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 02:02 AM
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imo women like you scare some men who hope to earn their way into being chad. Your post sums up my response neatly, but you are better able to say what you said as a woman. I had to dance around the same point delicately (or at least try)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 01:11 AM
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We have seen steady pressure on wages so for most a single income family isn't very practical. Automation, outsourcing, offshoring, the gig economy, etc. unions, love em or hate em are nearly an anachronism. I think more men would be the beta provider if they could, but a guy making the median wage doesn't qualify. I get this feeling from TRP that the sentiment exists that the role economic success in attraction is accepted or even liked, because its simple, obvious, and direct. People think "on…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 01:07 AM
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I dont know pulling a number out of my ass I'd say 3 good friends. enough to no overburden anyone, but not so many as to make anyone feel neglected or like a "plan b" friend. Calculating redundancy made me feel like a shit so I dont like the concept. its too "plan b" I'm not the most social so ymmv. 2 or 3 times a week is would be pretty nice. more than that would be exhausting to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 12:10 AM
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No. I think "crazy" is hiding a ton of baggage. Its like confidence being attractive, you have to unpack it, but then you find out its not so mysterious, and not what you think it is. I dont think crazy literally means crazy in the clinical sense. might as well be a synonym for wild/adventurous/enthusiastic. I've had a relationship with one girl with mental issues. nut wait thats too small a sample size you say! exactly. Its just like ok how many "crazy" girls have you slept with to arrive at th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 11:42 PM
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One is not enough, because I think thats too much to ask of another person. you cant get all of your social interaction that way. even if you dont need that much interaction. more good friends would be better, but its quality over quantity. On romantic avenues with women Maybe it had a slight effect. I'm firmly in the camp that you dont friend yourself into a relationship, but a healthy social circle would be a positive. I'm not saying you cant go from a friendship to a relationship, it happens,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 11:36 PM
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By all means lets quit subsidizing corporate America, end farm aid, oil subsidies, corn subsidies medicare, medicaid, social security, WIC, SNAP, and TANF We have so many layers of socialism embedded in every aspect of our lives. Get rid of the police, the firemen, stop funding research... Get rid of public utilities stop funding public transit. allow hospitals to verify ability to pay before treatment. Maybe we just need a few years of "utopia" to know how good we have it. capitalism is ruthles…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 11:34 PM
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40/M here, 1 35/M male friend. We occasionally watch a movie or do some LAN-ish gaming. talk a bunch too. People have drifted in and out of my life over the years. I've had many acquaintances, few friends. Usually people are friends when its convenient (work etc) once things are no longer convenient poof! I dont find I have much in common with most women, so I haven't really had female friends. Its not that some women dont like the things I dont like, if I have one male friend, its not too surpr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 10:37 PM
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Boycotts are funky things. The mob also turns against you, encouraging the mob with today's polarization is a bad idea IMO. People are not principled. They see their boycotts as being just and good. Boycott Chick-fil-A horrible! Boycott Target and the NFL though? glorious. bankrupting a baker that wont sell a cake to gay people? how terrible! People salivate over the power of the mob when they see the mob as serving their purpose. That they cant see the pitchforks coming for them is a failure of…
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 09:47 PM
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Thats a misunderstanding of the first amendment. Its if the government bans it that its an issue. that capitalistic forces caused that isn't in conflict. If they feel that they lose money by carrying the book why wouldn't they stop? freedom of the press/free speech isn't the principle here, its profit. Would you force amazon to carry the book OP is mentioning? Its a slippery slope that ends at government control over all social platforms. Some people want social platforms to be treated as the pu…
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 07:03 PM
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Capitalism doesn't care.
/r/MGTOW24/02/19 06:55 PM
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the bad part in getting rid of manipulation and deception? depends if you see yourself as benefiting from the status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:33 PM
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Sex robots would be a major improvement in terms of behavior full stop They could cure the thirst. That would get rid of most of the problematic aspects of gender relations. Everyone would be better off imo, but I don't expect to see it in my lifetime. A world without manipulation and deception is a world without need. you cant cherry pick just the good parts. The TV show humans was close enough. We don't need cylons. Even an AI like her would go a long way, but doesn't need to be that exaggerat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:10 PM
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Depends on context, self improvement helps a guy escape being an orbiter. Orbiter (aka "niceguys" are very use full as long as they know their place) The second a guy realizes its a losing strategy and decides to do something about it, hes rocking the boat. Hes also more likely to try to escalate, which isn't desirable. A guy that isn't an orbiter but has future potential? then self improvement is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:55 PM
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Its more a minimum than anything. guys want more but if thats all they can get they will take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:21 PM
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Women are not sexually attracted to a man having money I never see this claim made. Only that economic success highly influences how a woman rates a mans attractiveness. Attractiveness is a funky thing. halo effect. you will be seen as having a better personality, being more funny etc. Now, I'g going to specify apples to apples. The same guy with more apparent economic success will see the influence of the halo effect,but thats not the same as saying that a guy with less economic success will be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:33 AM
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I've seen some _____ say Is a sentence almost doomed to end with something like 4 people on the internet believe. You cant poll for it either because any pool is going to be trolled/gamed. I want sex robots, why not. Artificial wombs? absolutely! if it means less women die as a result why not? If more babies are born healthy, why not? obviously should be voluntary. We already have surrogate pregnancies is this so far fetched? wanting all women to die? Poes law. This seems likely to be some kneej…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:07 AM
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Seems like your augment is basically sour grapes plus some gatekeeping. Do you think anyone can justifiably be mgtow, or do you just think anyone identifying as such is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:47 AM
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You very horribly misunderstood everything I said as far as I can tell. That you seem to shift blame from away from liars is interesting. Lying demonstrates a lack of integrity its not something you get to blame on someone else. That's a pretty dark path. I dont have an ideology in the sense that I say TRP is my ideology. It isnt. I dont like labels and tribalism. I want to be free to evaluate ideas on their merits. I seek better tools to learn about the world around me. Knowledge is never a cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:43 AM
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Never said it was and neither of the links say that. They both have piles of data saying that women are far more sensitive to economic success and that a mans age or BMI didn't decrease the effect. They concluded men could compensate, but not that the other shit didn't matter. The list of meta studies is fascinating, detailing how different contexts matter. for a ONS economic success has much less weight (unsurprising really) Nothing works to the exclusion of all else. money will only get you so…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:21 AM
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Apparently when it comes to relationships and illness men bail overwhelmingly though. (TIL) my rant was aimed at a larger point so I dont want it to get lost in gender squabbling. Sounds like you were in an uncomfortable position. if you pay for the flight, what are you paying for? I wouldn't like that situation at all. too one sided, it would make me worry. In your position, the sentiment was nice, but I cant blame her for not playing nurse. If she could get a free flight and its short, nbd I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:01 AM
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I'd agree but because lowering your standards artificially leads to resentment. I think standards are a bit nonsensical. If I wad a wish and could describe the "perfect woman" I'd probably hate her. standards feels like a sly way of saying "I'm better than you/I can do better. I can give you certain hard nos, but beyond that its a crapshoot imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:41 AM
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balls empty stomach full is about as funny as happy wife happy life and "do chores to get her hot. They are not entirely wrong, but trying to take humor too literally ends poorly. If anything they are quips on how to placate people not make them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:31 AM
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I think you didn't check the links I posted. Both overwhelmingly demonstrate the influence of economic success on how women rate attractiveness. You appear to be trying to refute the obvious, redirecting by saying its natural/logical. I'm not sure if you are saying my response is bluepill, or what I'm responding to is. I'm not exactuly sure what bluepill is. every explanation i got via google was a long rant about redpill. as a whole, men dont exhibit the same degree of influence. I wont say men…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:27 AM
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giving is a two way street. If it isn't you are just being used. I wouldn't keep a damn spreadsheet on it, but this is pretty obvious shit. blinding yourself to the fact that you are being used will absolutely make you happier temporarily because plenty of people will be happy to use you. If thats how people are going to define happiness I feel sorry for them. Those people have lots of shallow relationships that instantly disappear at the same time their utility does. I once made a 4 hour drive …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 03:02 AM
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Men and women both are a product of their environment. People need to stop playing by the "rules" and play an entirely different game, because the current game sucks for everyone. The problem is people dont want to abandon the "rules" that benefit them so they end up perpetuating the status quo instead. Once we smash gender roles with a sledgehammer we will all be better off imo. use of sex and money as tools of manipulation need to become anachronisms. The men happy to buy affection and the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:31 AM
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You can avoid getting kicked around though, its not hard. Whats hard is when you realize its your willingness to get kicked around is what makes most relationships possible. If you demand an equal, you wont get kicked around, because there wont be anyone to do the kicking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:08 AM
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Bit of a caricature there IMO, based on the most vocal/exaggerated memes to come out of TRP. If people focused more on how TRP exterminates the "niceguys" that reddit so loves to ridicule, we'd be closer to the "core" of it imo. Cherry picking / strawmanning TRP doesn't refute it. Why do I say strawman? its like when Fox news invites someone on to talk about something and its obvious they are the worst possible person to do so. Its cherry picking. Most of TRP is uncontroversial, its that last 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 02:03 AM
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Yes knowing how the trick is done spoils the magic. knowing how the sausage is made etc. iI'll submit that its a pathway to a healthy relationship that doesn't rely on fantasy. you cant pick your soul mate, but you can choose happily ever after though, not a bad compromise. You know what else needs "open free air" to survive? deception. (open free air reads like you mean that love has to be a mystery, aka ignorance is required) The most gullible folks make fun of skeptics. What a horrible way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:49 AM
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Ignorance is bliss. Seems knowledge is poison. Its all about what you get out of it though. avoiding the negatives is possible, but you need to know what to avoid. Every gender uses and is used, pretending it doesn't happen doesn't make it go away, it just makes you vulnerable. Its not all overt Machiavellian shit either. some of the things that lead to poor outcomes are innocent mistakes. People see the villain rather than the person because thats just easier. We dont have many true villains im…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:40 AM
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The higher a person sees their value the higher the expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:33 AM
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PCOS? I dont say that to be mean, but to acknowledge if you gave a genuine genetic issue lifes going to be rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:28 AM
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Guys compensate for being old/fat/bald with higher economic status. That changes the nature of the wall a bit. source
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:24 AM
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My 90 year old grandmother married a guy who is 30 years younger than her and got bitter as hell when he had a stroke because she married him to have someone to take care of her (according to my mother my grandmother pretty much admitted it) My grandfather died of cancer when I was 10, she remarried when I was 20 iirc. Its an anecdote that doesn't prove anything other than it happens, but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:19 AM
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You've defined success in a very narrow way that suits you needs. In a world where the slaton sisters get dates, its hard to say its only young and attractive women that have it better. its feast or famine. I'll choose feast every time. It feels like someone standing in a grocery store and complaining they cant find anything to eat and I'm in haiti eating dirt cookies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:14 AM
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You are misunderstanding the wall I think. its when women who are used to having their pick complaining "where have all the good men gone when their standards are out of sync with reality. Being "post wall" is like the friendzone, participation is voluntary, no one else can put you there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 01:03 AM
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My sister married a guy 20 years older than her who later lost his mediocre management job due to a sexual harassment claim. Yeah that relationship got a bit ugly fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:54 AM
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Successful women decrease a mans leverage if its the type of guy that wants to buy affection and encourage dependence. Its like the relationship version of quicksand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:51 AM
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A 7% difference doesn't seem like anything to get too proud of. Men are dogs/pigs right, I mean you expect it from men. illness though oof.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:44 AM
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Always someone younger/hotter, finding someone you enjoy being with when clothes are on? thats much harder to find. Can I find a woman half my age attractive? sure but I generally dont want to talk to them. some relationships are formed through need and manipulation, those are the people that need to worry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:32 AM
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I didn't want to deal with bullshit of girls trying to fwb their way into a relationship People will hate the thought, but those women are the female version of "niceguys" they have ulterior motives and get angry af when their manipulation doesn't work. If a woman has sex when she wants to and not otherwise, it was mutual. IMO its why people have such a strong reaction to the idea of the hobosexual. it hits too close to home. No woman splitting the expenses 50/50 or paying her own rent is gettin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:22 AM
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I saw that movie, it was a good one. Seriously though. some kind of defensive reaction maybe? Seems silly of me to value it but I'm not going to deny that many guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 12:07 AM
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For clarity, the list of meta studies is an article by someone addressing criticisms of evolutionary psychology. in this context. reading it was eye opening. Yes people have a way of getting lumped into the "intellectual dark web" when people run into an idea they dont like. so its definitely torch a career territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 07:53 PM
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Work is a very bad place for so many reasons. Men should avoid trying to fish off the company pier. zero doubts. The type of men that do so are mostly exactly the men women are not interested in, usually "niceguys" or "players" exceptions exist, but that people survive falling off a roof doesn't stop me from warning that its dangerous to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:42 PM
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Yep. At least we have the internet though! a shit way to meet people imo, but a great way to entertain yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:29 PM
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I'm 40 and couldn't tell you. If asked what the ideal woman would be, I'd likely do a pretty shit job of describing her. Certain characteristics are easy, but beyond that its a crapshoot. most traits are bad at both extremes and contextmakes all the difference in the world. Intelligence? generally good, but if you are at opposite ends of the political spectrum? oops. Someone that is too passive/agreeable is no fun, but if everything is an argument, thats going to be hell. I lean to the more disa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:27 PM
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The opposite. I had an experience that shattered everything I believed about women around 2005, and while I knew nothing about TRP I shifted in that direction. Actually I went MGTOW, but later on discovering both gave some nuance to what I'd worked through mostly on my own. I'm not going to try to act like its 100% true, but its far more accurate that the sanitized version of women as saints I was fed as a kid. I got told 2+2 = 97 as a kid, TRP just says 2+2= 3.5 by comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:10 PM
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My change in smv was in status not looks or personality I was the same awkward guy I'd always been but I was treated completely different by women. It was a business trip where I spent over a year in a country in SE Asia, so I experienced both a dramatic increase then the corresponding decrease on returning home. It was a day and night difference. Expats I knew seemed to have a similar experience. a buddy of mine was just an average Joe here in the US, ended up dating probably the most attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:53 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:21 PM
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That you see women who find success/high economic status attractive that way says much about how you feel about women. you might want to consider that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:14 PM
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obvious We know what influences attraction, an investment banker that banks tonnes of money but still isn't attractive to women nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:07 PM
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Like I said, in all these texts we are talking about looks alone. Nothing else. My point is I don't think you can do that, and I dont think that would be hard to demonstrate. I have not seen any study which take into account other things such as wealth, study, looks, power, status and masculinity/femininity into account when calculating attractiveness. Easy I can give you one that is all about how much those things influences a woman's perception and it was done by mostly women . here For fun he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 01:50 PM
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men ignore women too. But equally based on market. they as a group ignore those too high or too low for themselves. Women don't care. Don't care or don't know? Ive been thinking that oft repeated "women like mean that treat them like shit" is confusing correlation and causation. Maybe its just that women prefer guys likely to do so. My my guess was what enables hypergamy distorts what would allow a woman to avoid too high. Those guys dont see a woman reaching a bit far as LTR material. I read th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 06:23 AM
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The mgtow guys sure do seem like they wish they hadn't "learned" all your misogyny MGTOW here, no regret, no preference for ignorance is bliss. I see MGTOW as an end to pain. an acknowledgement that its ok not to join that specific rat race. I'll readily admit that if I got hit by lightning and ran into "the one", it would be a positive. That I find that unlikely but not impossible doesn't mean I'm hostile to the idea. I dont see that admission as admitting weakness, though some might feel that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:58 AM
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but nobody wishes they hadn't learned it. Even if they did, ignorance is bliss is no way to live your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:14 AM
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If it is so truthful, how come it is primarily believed by incels and bitter divorcees, but not by people who are actually successful with women? Seriously? people who invest or benefit in the status quo are its strongest supporters. Find some idiot with a business degree that can think their way out a wet paper bag and suggest that it was a waste of money and watch the fireworks. I know a guy with a medieval history and some form of desk job at the YMCA and stupid amounts of debt. The amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 03:12 AM
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AWALT is the red pill I have to admit I get a chuckle where you post a thread about men overestimating their attractiveness, basically making an all men are like that type of argument by preemptively joking "but I'm different". Its like some people need generalizations explained to them along with the fact that people are not very precise with their use of language. Generalizations are not helpful with a sample size of 1, but with the number of people you need to meet to find "the one" they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:56 AM
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Its easier to smear it as a whole because you cant ague against such a vague denunciation. Sure you can have a hell of a pissing contest though! If OP made an uncontroversial statement like "TRP has some good points gut goes a bit far" Not only is that a tone augment, its captain obvious territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:29 AM
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Wouldnt matter would still get called misogynistic. For example anyone saying that status highly influences how attractive women see men. I can link a study done by 4 *women saying they found women 1000x more sensitive to status than men. I can also list a giant info dump of meta studies that say the same. People will kneejerk and say "so basically you are saying women are gold diggers" In that instance, that would show more about what they think about women than what I do. People see a negative…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:24 AM
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Disagree, I'll keep it short. Rather than despair, I'm rather ok with the state of things. The lies I was fed was what made me very frustrated. Dispelling the lies got rid of the poison. Chatting with a buddy I'm basically giving him red pill pep talks because he is early 30s, fit, average looking decent job, his own condo. He thinks women find him unattractive, and hes too passive. He has never had any woman show the slightest bit of interest in him. It has been a message of hope, coupled with …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:09 AM
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Help me understand, why is the proverbial dented can attractive? If I have the wrong ideas, what are the right ones. I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely curious what the answer is, also I'd like to know the source of the answer, is it your take, or what your friend told you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 01:42 AM
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They crave a fixer upper do they though, or do they just want to dig in the bargain bin, or get a guy that is easy to control. Maybe a budget prince charming without the ego of prince charming. Is it really any different than a guy looking for a girl that has self esteem issues because without her low sense of self worth she would be out of his league.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 01:22 AM
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I consume a lot of media people would consider outside my bubble, I know a lot of people who dont. These are people who have no idea what the other side thinks or why. steelman vs strawman is a huge difference People dont want to give even a millimeter though so we get shit like "____ hates America" I dont know anyone that hates America its absurd. I think most people have good intentions, but people have to make everyone the villain.
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 11:32 PM
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I think they are dating guys that see them as not being LTR material because they are reaching too far and dont realize it. The result is a chain of guys looking for FWB. I dont think its automatically that they are not long term material. They are caught in their own reality distortion field and dont see whats happening. I can think of other explanations, this is not the only possibility, but its an explanation that doesn't assume anything bad about the woman in question. "does an alternate exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 10:54 PM
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yep, I see that people see it as effort tells you how fucked up things are its not effort to spend time with someone whose company I enjoy. I tolerate people based on fear/utility when I have to. like the person in the cubicle next to me at work that can either make things easier or shank me in the kidney. I wanted to avoid that dynamic in a romantic relationship. Finding someone that needs you isn't too hard, finding someone that doesn't need you but wants you for you? good luck, its a horror s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 10:10 PM
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Nice way of trying to put me down, but I was on the floor to being with. :) Its not an attempt to insult you. it was carefully framed to try avoid just that. I used looksmatch because I have no idea what you look like. You dont seem to disagree what I said so much as how i said it. I thought women outnumbered men, not sure how thats scarce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:11 PM
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If anything I'd quibble with the word picky not because its not true but because it has a negative connotation that some may take to mean that to mean unrealistic. In other words, women have higher standards because they are justified by reality. lets say we give women a +1 for supply/demand give women another +1 because men dating multiple women further skews this in multiple ways give women another +1 because of ease of acquiring new opportunities. add another +1 because a woman has multiple t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 03:14 PM
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I think just about everyone is LTR material as long as they are reasonable. a disparity in overall attractiveness will only be possible due to unsavory factors of some kind. I'm ob talking in general. when the sample size is 1, you end up with weird things like Julia Roberts marrying lyle lovett. Is anyone surprised that only lasted 2 years? No one can say with a straight face they see that all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:35 PM
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Its been a thought Ive had lately that women are unintentionally dating men that don't see them as LTR material, they blame men as a whole, not realizing that its the selection process. I'd apply the same sentiment to men.Not understanding the dynamics creates bitter people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:22 PM
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Thats why I said unacceptable. I felt my chances of finding a woman who liked me were slim to none, finding a woman who liked what I could provide for her wouldnt have been a problem but I didn't want that is it felt like it would be predatory, I didn't want that kind of relationship anymore than a woman wants a man who sees her as just a hole to fuck. My romantic notions clashed with reality and I just said "ok I'm out" I was open to a serious relationship if I met the right person, but that mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 02:14 PM
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The oversimplification of the wall as a meme doesn't prove any points. If a woman grows less attractive as she ages and her standards don't decrease accordingly, the wall is partially a self inflicted wound. A 6 at age 20 pulling 8s/9s who ends up a 4 at 45 and still expects 8s/9s if in for a shock. Oh she can still get a ONS but prince charming? no on the menu anymore. That example assumes good health, no debt, no kids, and excessive no weight gain. (if she was a 6 at 20 adding 30lbs isnt going…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:58 PM
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You've just explained MGTOW without an ounce of Woman hating. That cost benefit analysis? I got there in 2005. I decided I didn't want to win in a fucked up world because how I saw myself winning was unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:36 PM
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A combination of profit, tribalism, echo chambers, and psychological factors. Its a perfect storm of bullshit. it has been like this for a long time I think now its just more in your face and obvious. If Fox news stopped being a propaganda machine, it would cease to exist as a channel in a period of weeks. I cant speak for other channels as I don't watch them. My folks are nearing 70 and yell at the TV every time someone on fox says the wrong thing. Been happening a bit frequently here lately. N…
/r/MGTOW22/02/19 01:30 PM
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MGTOW, a husband and wife are not a team, but enemies Eh, strawman imo.I'd identify as MGTOW, and I'd say the answer to OPs question is obvious. you deal with it the same way as every other decision about money. If a relationship has no concept of "my money" for example only "our" money, then its "our money" If each works and thats their money respectively, then its her money. Her christmas bonus was her money and she decided what to do with it, but its supposed to be different here? I font get …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 12:37 AM
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I have no idea who you are so you are clearly not my enemy Its no who I am, but that I think you are likely to put me in that box. I mean, I can see all the removed comments, sooo how specific do you wanna get? Lol to what end? dragging up deleted comments to argue about seems like it would be a bit futile. Note: if I disagree or not is irrelevant, I'm obviously not the judge of what is acceptable, its relevance is I dont have access to your experiences that are the source of your comment. its e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 12:22 AM
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Men get some seriously mixed messages. I remember reading an article written by a woman saying that men give up too easy. The author was clearly aware of the dont take no for an answer rapey vibe an did some hedgeing, but it was a great demonstration of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 12:07 AM
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Seems a likely explanation is simply not that men are "losing their minds" at one whiff "going for the throat" so much hyperbolic language. Its like all the youtube vids about someone getting "destroyed". Maybe Its just that women are outnumbered. more men also means more bad actors that are men, more trolls that are men etc. Seems to be a poor basis for blanket statements about men on the sub. I could jump right to exaggerations and words with strong negative connotations, but I dont see how ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:53 PM
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No bias there! "manospherians " lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:32 PM
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Your gender is the good gender. Their gender is the bad gender Yep its a pissing contest. even people who kind of admit anything always *but they are worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:30 PM
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so you are saying that women just admit it instead of saying nawalt? or is it just men that are the problem? Plenty of negative to go around, not because women are bad or men are bad, its just that people are uh.. people. Its not a both sides false equivalence, men are just bad in ways that dont bother men, and women in ways that dont bother women imo. aka bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:24 PM
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Incel content gets to easily used to mean "content I dont like"and it gets use as convenient ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:16 PM
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fanatically misogynistic movements like TRP is it though, or is it that any negative observation gets cast that way? people rarely ask why many observations end up having mundane explanations that are not "woman hating" in the least. Boghossian and pinker lean dangerously in the TRP direction from what I remember hearing from them. I'd probably toss Gad Saad in that area as well with a preference for Pinker, as I've listened to more of his stuff, but gaad gives me the same kind of good natured v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 11:02 PM
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Its a strong suspicion. I cant confirm because people who want sympathy/validation don't provide details unless they are likely to yield the results they want. The one person suggesting shes playing the victim is eating downvotes and hostility in spite of being the only one with an actual positive message. A white knight /niceguy would pm her and tell her shes the one picking those guys? lol. no a "niceguy" would pm her how she deserves better blah blah blah, all in the hopes of getting some cyb…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 10:14 PM
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I'm sure you can see the difference between a single personal relationship and how society in general encourages not taking responsibility for shit. I saw a thread in another sub, some self pitying sobfest over how men only want to have sex with this "poor girl", I could tell her why and how to avoid it, but I don't dare. sending her a PM? yeah I thought about it, but its too much effort for someone likely to be unperceptive. So she can just enjoy the way things are and let people reassure her a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 09:50 PM
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I had a longer comment typed up but while I'd agree with you somewhat, I saw you go from complaining about rp saying women dont accept responsibility in an area where it quite clear they dont, with great support from society. that you appear to conflate consequences with responsibility/accountability doesn't help. So often a woman will complain about something, and the result is support/attempt, but no one will question the decisions that got her here. Go make a pot on TRP about how its no fair …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 05:16 PM
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The partisan pissing contest is a refusal to unilaterally disarm. its like whataboutism in that it perpetuates the problem. Scoring points has become seen as more important than fixing anything, because "I might have to admit something bad about my team". People dont care about hypocrisy because party > *. Pelosi claiming to be so great because shes the best at sucking the corporate cock? Corey Booker and his stance on shit like importing prescription meds? corporate hack. If we cant just respon…
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 04:13 PM
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always voat lol. from what Ive seen its just the mirror image of reddit, still a cesspool. You can pick your poison but not avoid it.
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 03:57 PM
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People build caricatures as a shortcut for avoiding nuance. People rarely argue about specific ideas, just absurd strawmen/ caricatures.
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 03:56 PM
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Truth is not truth, alternative facts... complaining about fake news, while at the same time demonstrating an inability to distinguish fake news from news you dont like... Yeah the world is upside down, but people will usually only admit negative things about the other side. We can no longer have a reasonable conversation because of this. "When I shut the government down I'm doing it for the right reasons" "when I try to obstruct a supreme court nomination, its justified" We have a abandoned pri…
/r/MGTOW21/02/19 03:39 PM
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You missed the point. The body acceptance movement has been going on for some time. your stance on that it has no relevance to my post. Its part of a pattern where women are the victim though. You cant question a woman's behavior without it being victim blaming. If a guy goes to RP and whines he gets told fix your shit you are pathetic. Yeah its obvious why rp takes the view that women are not held accountable because example abound. See Bill Burrs no reason to hit a woman for a great explanatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:29 PM
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Thos are just the female version of "niceguys" How to avoid it? dont try to manipulate people. If you are a woman and want to have sex, do it, but its not a tool to achieve a goal. If you are doing it because you want to, you didn't get used it was mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:12 PM
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Women always suffer the consequences How can you say this tight after mentioning overeating in after a decade of shaming men for not liking dating fat women because its the guys that are the issue. This just seems like an unfocused ramble TLDR I dont like redpill. Its a Gish Gallop.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 02:00 PM
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Are you telling me fat weird women dont often do the same? Its been my experience when I see complaints its not that guys wont have sex with those women, guys just wont go the extra mile like the will for much more attractive women. Yeah you find fat guys that just wont date fat women or who have unrealistic expectations, but I just dont see that as being common.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 01:55 PM
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Facts devalue dick, not out interpretation of the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 09:54 PM
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Why love romances are popular among women they didn't explain All kinds of love romances involving guys like Paul Blart. Odd that the cover of romance novels dont make that ovious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 09:51 PM
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Easy. Avoid need as the basis for a relationship. Most problems solved. go 50/50 on everything, and so many unhealthy dynamics just evaporate. need = leverage. its the shovel you use to dig the hole you bury a relationship in. easy to understand, applies universally. People like to use need as leverage, then complain about the results. What remains is mutual enjoyment of the other persons company once you've removed utility. If thats not good enough, move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 09:46 PM
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Interesting that the assumption is that its the men that are broken. Maybe that is why they end up finding TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 09:15 PM
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Depends on how much incentive exists to lie and manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 08:47 PM
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Ive posted this a few times long version here hypergamy = unable to judge self worth reasonably = 5s think they are 8s and date guys more likely to treat them poorly. those guys dont see them as LTR material. They don't like assholes or like being mistreated. (generally)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 05:49 AM
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not handsome enough to pull a 18 year old 9/10 girl naturally In another thread I gave this as the reason women date guys that treat them like shit. Its not that they like it, its that the have overestimated their value and only date guys likely to treat them like shit (I'm not counting having a spine as treating women like shit. So many women go through a long stream of short term relationships looking for prince charming, but prince charming doesn't consider her LTR material, if she knew she w…
/r/MGTOW20/02/19 05:36 AM
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I have plenty of it, any attempt to escalate was instantly frosty. I was instantly identified as orbiter material. nothing frees you from that as fast as seeing it for what it is. Buddy of mine thought a woman liked him at work, very receptive but nor reciprocating. told him to stop entertaining her and watch her try to reel him back in. It didn't take long to get the talk. you know the "why aren't you paying more attention to me talk, but in coded language. "you must have been really busy latel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 07:14 PM
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correlation vs causation. Women find the traits that are the source for a mans confidence attractive, not the confidence itself. Nothing annoys a woman more an undeserved confidence. Confidence is just a socially acceptable dog whistle for all the things women are not supposed to admit. confident also means "not passive", and thats a good thing, as long as its not undeserved confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 06:23 PM
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You have to deal with the cards you were dealt and there's no point getting upset about it. I'm not upset, quite the opposite, I'm fine with it. I was upset when I was looking at the situation through the fog of years of bullshit. Implying I'm upset is just like calling me a woman hater. The opposite is true, understanding I'd act the same way if I could humanizes women and declares the behavior that I used to hate obvious and logical. That doesnt mean I like it, just that I no longer hold women…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:06 PM
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Thats exactly the point.
/r/MGTOW19/02/19 04:06 PM
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I'm surprised I havent seen "residual self image" mentioned more. maybe its just so obvious/known that it doesn't get brought up, but it fits the theme. When I was 15 (been a while lol) I knew a woman that was a 2 with a decent face. it was clear to me she saw herself and judged interactions with men based on hot she used to be hot for a year or two. She commented she didnt want to lose weight because of the fratbros thirsting after her basically. She has always been with one beta or another in …
/r/MGTOW19/02/19 04:03 PM
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While true, imagine the response if you posted that in response to a gender flip of the situation anywhere but in the manosphere. the outrage would be epic. if it was visible in /r/all Id not be surprised to see a near triple digit negative.
/r/MGTOW19/02/19 03:49 PM
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Men won't lust over 3s and 4s lol. I guess it depends what you define lust as. there is a limit, but men absolutely lust after even 3s and 4s. Its not crawl over broken glass lust, but drive 2 hours for a chance? absolutely. Guys will make a long drive even when sex is very unlikely just hoping for the opportunity to beg more. Does an average guy lust after 3s? basically imo. Thats not saying that they prefer them. I have a neighbor thats a 2 if that. I'd bang her if given the opportunity, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 03:45 PM
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That women wont stoop as low is the understatement of the century. If women libido was as high as mens, social pressure wouldn't matter. This is critical because women getting horny over an uncommonly hot guy isn't the same as men thirsting after 3s and 4s.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 02:49 PM
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This is wrong in so many ways. Men would share some of the behaviors women do if they could, but in general they cant. Male sexuality is worthless. I've seen nothing that convincing me that female libido is even one tenth of male libido. Sure exception exist, but the exceptions don't invalidate the exception. That people still get salty over sluts vs studs is hilarious. Women are pretty fast to call other women sluts because if too many women acted in that way, female sexuality would have far le…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 02:18 PM
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I'm going to go Orwellian on this and say people would not tolerate a truly equal society. Its like the joke about MMOs how do you know when balance is achieved? everyone is angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:16 PM
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Its an area so politicized I dont think about it much. Let people study what they want, but people want to cherry pick the results The minute people hear something they dont like its "broscience"/"biotruths" etc its like arguing about solipsism. Pointless, annoying. TBH I move more and more to some form of nihilism in that facts no longer exist. So much mental effort has been expended in nationalization/spin that we have collectively become experts at it. gogogadget tribalism! We are rapidly hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 11:05 PM
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Had a longer post but basically it boils down to everything that enables hypergamy makes women more vulnerable to being taken advantage of aiming for happily ever after. In other words women dont seem to be aware when the disparity is too great. If they were they would avoid it. Women dont like men who treat them poorly, they just like men more likely to do so. Its a great way to have one short term relationship after another with guys who never considered them LTR material. Then instead of ridi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 10:36 PM
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so you'd agree that women would, but the risk stifles that impulse? as to guys with wives/ girlfriends, you can mitigate the thirst, but its not a given. A guy with a dead bedroom situation? different story. do I think thats ok? maybe, depends on a lot of context that I can never be certain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 10:56 PM
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Yeah had to backtrack, 1984 was mentioned, then BNW got mentioned. and the focus changedfrom 1984 and I didnt notice, and the word "it" was used a bit much haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 09:39 PM
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BNW is on my list, just haven't gotten to it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 09:06 PM
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Fraudsters trick victims into sending money or gather enough personal information to steal their identities. Its only looking at one very specific thing and people are reading something into it that isn't there. When people imagine men getting scammed its something else, something totally legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 08:29 PM
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There is a really big chunk devoted to explaining that the purpose of war was to consume resources in order to lower the standard of living far enough to make people easy to control with the proverbial carrot. If the standard of living increased too much people were harder to placate It was control via misery, not my definition of utopia. Quotes below are from various sources.(not mine) People live a miserable existence with poverty and no hope of improving their standard of living. If Wealth on…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 08:11 PM
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no its just a typical strawman. Most of the hysterical framing on any position isn't something that is a common belief. Its like asking people to explain why they think teaching evolution is bad, the proceed to demonstrate the dont understand it well enough to have a coherent argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 07:17 PM
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Those social programs are bandaids to prevent revolutions. The owners tolerate them to placate the masses. Token resistance is needed to hide that obvious fact. Low value men would become more attractive, but in a way no sane person would want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 07:13 PM
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Heard someone say there are no solutions, only tradeoffs. I tend to agree. In this instance, trying to shift men back into the single income bread winner, increases men being seen as their value is in being a provider. Seems men are doing ok, its women who are reporting less and less happiness for decades. Men though? the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 07:09 PM
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It is on par. I cant square this circle. are you telling me that the average woman going to the grocery store sees 5 different men who she would have sex with in the grocery store bathroom, if the man was willing, and the mans only quality was eh "not repulsive"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:55 PM
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A pill that had tremendous health benefits (weightloss, muscle gain) with no negative other than cutting male libido to 10% would be hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:51 PM
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I can find women that cheer death to all men, but that turns into arguing about caricatures. I dont think anyone really believes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:49 PM
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It was specifically defined/designed as not a utopia because people rejected utopia iirc. Instead the bare minimum was the goal, and just a touch more so that everyone felt special. I read it for entertainment, not to write a paper on it so I might have missed something.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:47 PM
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no secret that red pillers love sluts for short term flings but dislike them for long term sex. Really? rp would not consider a super attractive women for long term FWB due to previous promiscuity? I have a hard time buying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:39 PM
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Thats not the assumption. you missed the bit about it being a calculation. The entire post was a diatribe about how need encourages deception. in this scenario, sex was just a means to an end. any port in the storm. If that describes you in a relationship, RUN, man or woman. I just read something about women's libido doing a nosedive quickly in LTRs, thats not the same situation though. If you remove need, it changes the situation significantly. a 45 year old career woman with no kids for exampl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:17 PM
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that men could objectively meet those requirements that means little if those requirements are subjective. "decent job" at one time meant "reliable and hard working" its not so straightforward now. Fat, well its simple but not easy or we'd all be thin, but I'd agree its generally something people can control. its a case of in theory vs in practice. It works for a thought experiment just like the joke about "in a vacuum" for physics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:34 PM
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I'd be interested in such a thread where women weigh in on it (no pun). If you make it, I'd beg you to include an example. For example, I used mayim bialik + 50lbs as an example, with a decent job, no kids, and no financial problems. I dont think its perfect, but without some attempt at an example people are doomed to be arguing another persons vague imagination. $31,099 was the median wage in 2016. I've made that or better building small vanity websites, handling insurance claims, and corporate…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:24 PM
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Imagine a world where women are thirsty, where their behavior grows more and more exaggerated to get what they want. Where the top 10% of women get a level or attention orders of magnitude higher than those that are average. They all get upset and vent about users, often shaming and ridiculing them. What If I told you I know where that environment exists? http://chaturbate.com/ Its what happens when you take "niceguys" and do a gender flip, instead of typical niceguy favor doormat, but the type …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:12 PM
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we just contain ourselves more. I just read that as "our sexuality has value" The hypothetical proposed by op seems like a thought experiment but sex robots are likely to achieve the same result. All the thirsty undesirable men removed from the dating pool? you'd think women annoyed by these men would say they cant wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:00 PM
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I dont disagree, but I dont think its quite that simple. "decent job" is relative to their level of success and really means "better than mine" Its kind of like asking can most men do better than average?" not if we understand what average is. we can get pedantic about median vs average but thats just a distraction. In this example "not fat" is interesting given how common fat people are. If you have 50 men and 50 women, remove all the fat ones, remove the men that dont make more than women, rem…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 04:52 PM
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Thats a loaded but good question. I doubt any definition provided would be like pouring gasoline on a fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 04:07 PM
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even your sub had to ban men from asking to date you guys. Thats rich. even fairly unattractive women often get plenty of attention, just not from the guy they desire so it doesn't count. I read a post by a "forever alone woman" who identified herself as ugly, and ahe was quite bitter and angry (all the shit thats supposed to make men toxic and unattractive) she had multiple guys flirting with her by her own account. compliments were showered on her. Her post history detailed an STD and a pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 04:04 PM
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For the rest of the 99% of women that you're ignoring Does such an obvious exaggeration serve a point? I'm pretty sure we wouldn't agree on what the word ignore means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 03:43 PM
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Easy, shes self conscious about her past and feels like shes hiding her past and want to be reassured that its ok. This could mean she slept with 1 man, grew up believing that sex before marriage was wrong. People who feel they have a secret tell their SO to relieve themselves of the burden, then they try to mitigate damage by acting like it was noble instead of selfish (see: cheaters)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 07:55 AM
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This is the most fucking hilarious thing I've seen on reddit for a while. I did not see that coming.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/19 07:07 AM
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Saw a thread the other day asking about how people would react to a guy having spent more money on an ex than the current SO. Similar thought exercise here. If a woman settles for a man and its a farce where the guy gets starfish sex once every three months, how that is foul in the context of previous behavior should be obvious. That guy isn't loved, hes a chore being manipulated. the bare minimum has been calculated. The greater the need, the worse the situation. Need will drive people to do a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 06:55 AM
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Aren't there a lot of staunch feminists who have beef with TwoX though? Many of them have moved on to TrollX and other subs. On that end of the spectrum they eat their own(true of the extremes in any spectrum probably).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 03:23 AM
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The you guy you describe isn't long term relationship material, but ideal for short term. changing from short term to long term might not mean much, but you can spin it anyway you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 03:14 AM
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turned off by incompetent men are we certain thats it, or is it that competence is a strong indicator for earning potential? It would be interesting to see a study that looks at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 03:08 AM
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I think its a mixing of some generalizations that are context dependent. Don't rich women supposedly have the hots for the pool boy? Eh, if a woman is looking for a short term fling, looks rank highly, status less so, the stereotype of a poolboy is a tanned shirtless hunky type. The stereotypical rich woman here is (when I picture it) lonely (either too much work and too little play) or has a workaholic husband. a one night stand in her social circle would probably be trouble. Hes accessible/con…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 02:59 AM
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I agree that tasks are not equal and you demonstrate why. Chopping firewood is fun compared to some things, that isn't the same as an equal effort on something I hate. maybe I enjoy use of the fireplace where others do not. Too many issues with trying to do some bizarre 50/50 spreadsheet. If we have to rate from one to 10 multiple categories like Effort,duration, fun, who a task benefits, etc and decide how to weight each category and form an overall effort score.. we are overthinking it, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 02:36 AM
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I hate to break it to you, but only your mother loves you unconditionally You took a wrong turn there. if you knew her you would have phrased it differently. Its a common sentiment though, I'll admit that. Its probably information overload/a distortion, but examples abound where this is not the case which get highlighted due to the tragic consequences. You might make the leap that mental illness is the explanation... maybe, but you'd have a hell of a time arguing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 01:15 AM
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It I find it interesting your examples of why men can be worth keeping around are things you imagine men can do for you (or have had them do) in other words "Hey men can be useful that makes them worth keeping around!" I'll extend an olive branch and assume that you gave those as examples of significant effort to contrast lack of effort in other areas, because I tire of everyone straining to interpret things in the worst possible way. I can say hey that comes across poorly, and at the same time …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 12:23 AM
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Women ideally want men who literally cannot exist I cant help but to see that as an absurd exaggeration to make the argument easier to make and throw shade. Its the path of mutually assured destruction. Its not about what people want, but what they will accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 12:02 AM
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A 1% difference on a survey = lol. I'd be embarrassed to link a survey to support a claim, unless the claim was that women say they take more time off of work for a given reason. I've been in a workforce management position in an office dealing with about 1500 people, data says a person is late 10% of the time, they tell you they are always on time. People are unreliable af when self reporting. I didn't crunch gender based numbers, because thats lawsuit territory. my primary duties were reportin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:57 PM
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Ive witnessed my dad endure 30 years or so of abuse. He never drew the line and said "this is not acceptable". its too late, but If he tried to deny any responsibility for how things are, I'd reject that. I'm not talking about stupid romcom stuff, I'm talking about "mo more wire hangers" level shit. he was the peacekeeper. he took the path of least resistance. Ive been aware of it since I was 20. I resolved that would never be me. if that means being alone so be it. People who put up with shit a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:24 PM
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People do what they need to get what they want then complain about how they got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 10:02 PM
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I cant help but to suspect the egalitarian relationship if op described it would be "I want the good things but not the bad things". thats not equality, you cant cherry pick and have equality. I will say that could just be my obvious bias talking. OP has not provided sufficient information to know, and people omit what does not support their narrative so even with more information could we believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 10:00 PM
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That women have been fed a bunch of bullshit too I can agree with 100% We are unlikely to see eye to eye on much of the rest, but I think much of the objectionable shit we see going on is the result of unhealthy dynamics and that at the end of the day communication/ resolving a serious disagreement is hard af. Many mundane explanations exist for certain behaviors that get lumped into the "old school sexism" box but have nothing to do with sexism. I'm never going to make the bed, I just full out …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 09:52 PM
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This leaves me feeling like I missed a comment or two. just reacting what you posed out of context, I'm against trying to train or coerce anyone into any action. Manipulation + leverage = evil. No one should tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 09:22 PM
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I dont think such a thing as "true nature" exists. you can just point to generalizations. I dont like the phrase, I have trouble thinking that unpacking it does anything but go down in flames.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 09:17 PM
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These what? the ones making 10 million, the ones that threw themselves at heff? the models you are talking about? I'm confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 06:22 PM
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my gender cheats it was justified, the other gender cheats they are monsters. The bias is so strong conversations on cheating rarely seem to go beyond that. You might get a pissing contest where my cracked article can beat up your jezebel article.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 06:19 PM
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Bi difference between resenting something, and resenting the fact that you've been lied to for decades and no one will admit it. do I resent that? absolutely. The question is do you blame me? Of note, the answer to that question should not be based the assumption that you disagree with me that Ive been lied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 05:56 PM
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IMO the average guy when he hits 30has no idea how things really work. I didn't. I thought women wanted a guy that was dependable, sensitive, good sense of humor etc, good personality above all else. What a total misunderstanding. I had no idea what my value was, how or how to improve it, so I had no idea where I'd be in 5 years. Imagine being told "you need to work on your personality" and acting as though personality is the most important thing. (aside from specific traits that are universally…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 05:31 PM
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exaggeration. supermodels are quite successful by definition, career, fame, money. They have all of that so they value it less. a doctors income isn't usually all that great. Its not about how much success do you need to be attractive to a model, its "how much success do you need for it to matter. Is someone making $15/hr more attractive than someone making $10/hr? lol right? if you are a supermodel do you think a supermodel that made 20 million dollars care about about the fact that a guy makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 04:21 PM
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Supports much of what I suspected was true and added some clarity. I experienced going from low status to relatively high status through circumstances. It was brief, but left no doubt. I'd never heard of redpill at the time(2005 iirc). The women that say "Men only care about how I look"? Yeah I got a little taste of what one dimensional attraction is like. spoiler, still better than zero attraction lol. Feast or famine? easiest question you'll ever have to answer! I expected that as women were m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 02:37 AM
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This descends into sophistry rapidly, and is doomed to include Olympic levels of pedantry. some people vs most people vs not all people etc I suspect nothing that can be said is going to really change anyone's opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 10:22 PM
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I'm sure it happens and my personal experience is a poor way to judge, but I dont see men shit testing. unless the definition of shit testing is bucking the honey do list. I guess if anything, its probably because the interactions I'm privy to have men who lack the sufficient smv to get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 09:14 PM
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I think op is making a meaningless point. Its like saying everyone can play in the NBA so fucking what? Yeah some players are the exception to the rule(height), that exceptions exist is no surprise. If you want to focus on negging, dont tack on a bunch of nonsense. water wet, sky blue
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 09:09 PM
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I think thats a pretty good way of putting the jumble that came out of me. So many changes in behavior are temporary and result from pressure. if the change removes the pressure, the behavior returns to the default. Example: losing weight is easy up until a point. where is that point? its the point where you stop feeling miserable every day. Maybe your clothes fit better now, you knee stopped hurting, you are no embarrassed by some aspect of it (double chin is gone) No one says "as soon as I los…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 06:12 PM
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too little context, so people are likely to create their own scenario leaving everyone starting at a different point. That people lie about undesirable behavior is an insufficient augment that such behavior should be given a pass in the thought that judgement causes the lie. I call bullshit. lets flip the situation a bit. a good looking guy in a medium sized town has a reputation for being all about the pump and dump. He owned a local restaurant which was his base of operations. The staff over 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 02:20 PM
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This usually gets met with deafcon 5 resistance in the manosphere I think its because things have been oversimplified to success = pussy, its simple, relatively easy to measure, and you can plan it to an extent, all of that is comforting. The link between status and attractiveness is another unspeakable truth. how to be attractive without relying on the worst aspects of these interactions? thats a tough one, and I don't have an easy comforting answer. Men who see success as synonymous with attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 10:14 PM
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seriously trying to tell me fathers don’t raise their sons properly anymore because of “social stigma?” I wouldn't propose this as the core reason etc, but undoubtedly the minefield that needs to be navigated has had an impact on both the acceptable discourse, and the "common knowledge" I just stumbled into a ~40 year old book written by a woman that from the description is redpill af (haven't read it yet) apparently the backlash was epic. Imagine a world where saying men just want sex etc trigg…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 09:18 PM
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drop in empathy is a result of polarization imo. its full out tribalism based war going on. (you is just the general "you" here not any specific post) Life is easier when you can dehumanize the people who dont share your beliefs, then you dont have to understand them or worry about what they think. I'd agree with the sentiment that as womens situation has improved (equality) mens value has seen as less relative to the improvement(not proposing any proportion or ratio) The dig about mommying seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 08:05 PM
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Its any easy way to derail. You cant ignore them though because while you can ignore them you cant ignore their influence. Even a woman that doesn't use them and doesn't like them knows that the option exists, just the option changes the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:29 PM
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Serious question how much is the drop related to obesity sedentary lifestyles, and steady/reliable food sources? It might just be that the answer seems so obvious that it isnt considered for study. Who will make money off of fixing the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:15 PM
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Define recently? The words drastically and unreasonably are likely to encourage unproductive results. Many factors over the last couple of decades have increased the bar substantially. The average man from the 60s would stand no chance in today's environment. Older folks literally lived in a different time. Shit, I'm 40 and have seen so much change.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:14 PM
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its educational and provides catharsis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:07 PM
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You're right I jumped into a middle of a pissing contest that appears to have started almost a month ago (I stopped backtracking at 16 days). My post was a classic "I'll put down my gun you put down yours" and I got shot after putting down my gun. Frankly I should have known better. I was bored and didn't notice that the wagons everyone was circling are practically long gone lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 07:01 PM
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So you agree with my point, jump immediately to how women are less deterred, and you dont see where the pissing contest is? thats interesting. Note that I just said "Having a kid is a negative for dating" I didn't mention gender, and didn't feel the need to add "for both genders" because thats redundant. Thats because seeing the pissing contest looming, I intentionally avoided taking the first shot. Its uninteresting because it turns into a pile of anecdotes and rationalizations with no possible…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 06:18 PM
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So endless retaliation. sounds like fun. If it catches on it would burn the sub to the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:56 PM
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I prefer dutch-ish without doing calculations about who makes more money. The reason is simple. making anything transnational in relationships very problematic. You dont buy affection with money, sex, chores etc. If two people are dating with too big a disparity in any aspect, I think that dramatically increases the likelihood of a bad outcome. If I was dating a woman that made much more than I do and she wanted to go to a very expensive restaurant and I'm a frugal type that would never do that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:46 PM
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the reality is that the reasons are entirely social: people just dislike "career females"; Thats it, full stop. no nuance, its that simple. No alternate explanations?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:17 PM
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Peopl judge an idea based not on its merits, but if they like what the idea implies. if the idea implies something negative about women, its sexist. its accuracy is not important. The most important part "why" is also ignored. depending on the proposed explanation something could be anything from offensively sexist to objective. When no explanation is provided its just data.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:12 PM
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Just read a study where it concluded that women are 1000x(that was the actual figure provided)more sensitive to wealth than men when it comes to rating attractiveness. This influence was present without respect to age or bmi, that an unattractive man can compensate accordingly. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322128430_Different_impacts_of_resources_on_opposite_sex_ratings_of_physical_attractiveness_by_males_and_females (4 women cited, you need to hit the actual study for the quoted fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:06 PM
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TLDR: Hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:53 PM
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Women can demand anything they want. if they are being put on the back burner its because they are allowing that. Anything else is blaming men to avoid treating women as adults with agency /responsible for their actions agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:45 PM
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Oversimplification is a potential issue here. I can accept the study for the sake of argument and at the same time say that having a kid is a negative in the context of dating. It raises the proverbial bar. I have no doubt of that. That the bar can be cleared doesn't contradict that. The rest just turns into a pissing contest of which gender is worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:43 PM
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too context sensitive. "value" also has too many different meanings. If a person you perceive as smart compliments your intelligence that will mean more than if a person you think is stupid does the same. In short higher status also gives compliments higher value, depending on what value means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:18 PM
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Never is far too strong, I'd not disagree that it takes exceptional circumstances though. skill/ability coupled with hard work can take you places, hard work alone just makes you a perfect cog. People overvalue their skills and then make the leap that skill doesn't matter, because they think they have "lots of skills" when really they have nothing noteworthy. If I ask you how many people out of 100 have a skill you have and the answer is "uh everyone who has had a retail or fast food job I guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:03 PM
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Lack of opportunity? I'm jaded, I think that people who can treat people poorly do. It would take some serious metal gymnastics to try to act like if circumstances were different, I'd be the same person either way. maybe, maybe not, but I have my doubts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:24 PM
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I'd say I'm quite left myself, but the way that politics have melded with gender politics makes me unwelcome just about everywhere. Pro trump feminist and anti trump mgtow are essentially oxymorons. that its so easy to predict every other view a person has is a good indication how poisonous/common tribalism is. All you need is a single wedge issue. what a person thinks about owning guns shouldn't have any correlation to how they feel about mgtow. or at least the correlation is far stronger than …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:11 PM
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Dramatic oversimplifications coupled with strawmen/ignorance is one hell of a toxic combination. I'm firmly in the MGTOW camp,I dont hate women. What I actually believe doesn't matter to anyone though. To some people any opinion they disagree with is the same as hate. So many times it comes down to choice/tone policing. I've seen "Foreveralonewomen" who were dishing it out with both barrels about how aweful men are say that women are "more selective" say that in the wrong context/circumstance an…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:02 PM
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You cant see personality/compatibility in a picture. how many people seem to have a good personality/compatibility when they want something from you? I'd say in general what I've seen of gender relations as a whole, personality gets less consideration because deception is the assumption. Thats not the same as not caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:38 PM
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Tricky question to answer. Its difficult to say how much the answer is influenced by a persons perception of their own "rating" How much is this influenced by insecurity. I'd rather a high compatibility 5 over a no compatibility 9, no doubt. does this mean I'm not shallow or that I'm a unicorn. Nope it just means that diminishing returns kick in fairly quickly with attractiveness imo. I can only get so erect. "dating" complicates the question considerably because it means too many different thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:28 PM
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People hate the thought that status matters. I spent some time in SE asia for a job (not in a sex tourism location) and just the fact that I was white made people assume I had money and power. I made about 10x what someone made at a fastfood job, 3x more than a "good job". I had an entirely different experience with women. I didn't change, my circumstances did. The recent study that say women are 1000x more sensitive to wealth than men, yeah I have no doubt about that, I lived it. Used to have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 01:24 PM
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might have felt good, but you just confirmed in their eyes that they lost nothing. On the other hand a cold shoulder would have been crushing and never yield closure. if anything what you did was kinder, if more mean spirited.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 11:28 PM
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unfortunately no. so many people dont believe in it as a legal principle, or understand it and how it applies outside of that context. The first consideration is usually "are the a member of my tribe" usually thats enough to short circuit the process and it stops there.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 11:25 PM
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I wouldn't treat people like garbage because you feel like you can. Why have mercy? The framing of this is horrible, but I'll answer. do you tell yourself/others you are a good person? would a good person do the things you are imagining doing? Big difference between being candid, and being cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 11:21 PM
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For some guys dialing it down to jabba the Hutt in a wig wouldn't be good enough. The idea that the less undesirable a person is the more receptive they will be seems to be wrong. I'll admit it I'm a lonely fucker. a while back I took a shot at trying to find a "connection" on reddit. No assholery, no dick pics, no requests for nudes, I only messaged women I felt I has enough in common with, who were near my age. The response rate was extremely low, out of the responses, most were super low effo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 11:06 PM
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Lowering standards doesn't help. I'm a bit bitter about the situation, but not towards women. if the roles were reversed, I'd act much the same. As far as validation goes, you have to be high to buy into that. women faking orgasms is probably the longest running joke in history. Is that to say its not possible? no, people do win the lotto. You have to be a bit delusional to laugh at how everyone says they are an above average driver, and then say you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 06:05 PM
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Why is anyone keeping track? I have two nieces, gifts are compared like they keep a spreadsheet. If one niece needs something that ends up being more expensive and the other niece doesn't get padded out with gift certificates, its fucking war. Its petty childish behavior. Hopefully its obvious that the $ amount is only a small part of things. Finally the zinger "So you want me to treat you more like the woman I resented in a failed relationship" I'd be more worried about behavior. if a guy was s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:55 PM
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If affection is measured by money, the relationship is in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:43 PM
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I'd say asking anyone what they want without respect to gender is an exercise in futility. drawing conclusions from actions is also problematic because its too easy to twist things to the desired conclusions. people who say they prefer x trait and then appear to act in a way contradictory way, probably dont know what they really want, poorly expressed it, or just lied to cover up an unacceptable opinion. If you asked people what the perfect SO was, (lets assume honesty for sake of this argument)…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:38 PM
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less wrong neat site, I'd never seen it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:13 PM
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You cant assume a well designed study, and you cant gain certainty or universal truths. That said if I had to bet which was more accurate, a reasonable study, of the result of my opinion of sitting here for an house pretending to be feud, I know which I'd bet on. The problem is what happens when the literature disagrees with my opinion. Even better, when it agrees do I believe it because it feeds my confirmation bias. doubt is uncomfortable, ignorance is bliss. To add another layer to the shitsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:06 PM
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intuition is a pretty poor pathway to knowledge. doubting your intuition is a pretty reasonable thing. Chances are with a small discussion we could find things people believe due to intuition where your response would be "bullshit, prove it". Also as someone that was fed a steady stream of bullshit growing up, once you learn that everything you believe was built on lies, you are more hesitant to be so confident. Am I capable of thinking for myself? sure, I'm also aware of the collection of psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:56 PM
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why though? you could make the argument that its the low effort solution, but you could also pin that squarely on the man in that situation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:46 PM
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Either way its thought police. Its like asking someone how their day was so you can launch into how your day was, even though you dont give a shit how their day was. Shitty behavior to be sure, but motivations/intentions are often uncertain. Unless I have reason to think the worst, it seems more reasonable to assume positive gestures are genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 04:38 PM
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I don't think women have changed, the environment has. not only that we have so much more access to information. Its an all you can eat buffet of doom and gloom. People think things are getting worse. Have things gotten worse for men? sort of, in the 40s I could have found a woman that needed a provider and had a farce of a relationship, built on need and lies, but I don't see that as being better. People are likely to look at this post and think its white knighting etc, but I feel that men have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 03:49 PM
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spouting off about horrid marriage statistics Its obvious she didn't take any of his fears seriously. his interaction was probably like saying "tell me you are not like that" clearly it didn't go so well. he dodged a bullet imo.
/r/MGTOW16/12/18 03:11 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7QNw1LRJv4
/r/MGTOW07/12/18 04:34 PM
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The money they extort out of companies like its a protection racket. see Intel and Anita Sarkeesian.
/r/MGTOW06/12/18 04:09 AM
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I guess I have a more pessimistic view of things and people as a whole. I think the main thing that differentiates the people isn't gender, its opportunity. acting like you have integrity out of fear of consequences is basically the opposite of integrity. I wouldn't disagree with the sentiment that men put up with more bullshit from women so judging correctly that they can get away with something they just do it. In other words men would do the same in instances where there were no consequences.…
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 03:13 PM
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they do want women to buy more games. thats the untapped market. they cant grow by pandering to people that bought the last few games in the series. In other words, maybe they just got greedy. The gender politics are just the scapegoat, a distraction. I didn't follow the game so it appears to depend on your take on it. did what they did truly offend so many people, or did they just make a shitty game. Of course the thought police probably claim to know why any critics don't like the game tbh tho…
/r/MGTOW01/12/18 03:16 AM
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I guess if you are going to pander, at least make sure the group you are pandering to is receptive. Ironheart, femthor, spiderwomen, etc Then blame men as if women have no autonomy/purchasing power and are not >50% of the population. If a product fails its because neither gender ought it, yet I don't hear people attacking women for not supporting this sort of thing. If companies were making content for women that women were excited about, it wouldn't matter if men bought any of it.
/r/MGTOW30/11/18 01:23 PM
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hell people didn't know Samus was a woman until her helmet came off Of course thats a negative for people that find fault with everything.
/r/MGTOW30/11/18 01:10 PM
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funny this is probably the pattern quote/exaggerate the views a handful of vocal idiots create a caricature demonizing an entire gender continue to pour gas on the fire by lumping anyone you offended by attacking their gender into that caricature. at that point the caricature is a self reinforcing monster where every bad example gets included and magnified, rational reasonable disagreements get ignored. its all a fiction where all roads lead to click-bait and confirmation bias. I'd generally jus…
/r/MGTOW30/11/18 01:03 PM
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anything that decreases the amount of effort a man will make trying to get laid would improve relations between men an women dramatically. What percentage of men need to be willing to jump through endless hoops to distort things for the rest of men? Legalizing would almost instantly remove those men from the dating pool. If those men could have sex with an 8 for $300 for example, they would stop wining and dining 6s. The women that use sex in a transactional manner would instantly lose, the wome…
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 10:48 AM
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blame is counterproductive and just puts us in a spin zone where no facts exist. It just ends up being an endless tirade of revisionist history that could be summed up as "I know you are but what am I!" Since we cant even agree on the facts at the time events are happening, this constant need to go back hundreds of years to label groups "true fascists" or "real racists" is just a circus. When it was bill Clinton plenty of shrieking was going on. Much was made out of how his accusers were treated…
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 12:44 AM
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I'd find it unusual for a great deal of leftists to be here Only because politics are so polarized. If you took a person from the far left and had them determine where I am politically, they would say I was nearly alt right" I guess. Likewise if a person from the far right did the same they would call me a leftist, and probably a cuck. That I could expect such different results it pretty sad imo. Nuance is dead, you are with the tribe or against it. say anything that gets interpreted negatively …
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 12:37 AM
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