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Inner Game haftzabaa/r/seduction14/07/26 02:29 PM
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Just nonsense pop psychology that presents mindfulness as a kind of magic pill
/r/seduction29/07/26 07:16 PM
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"on and off" means you're not practicing consistently the way to wear down approach anxiety over time is to do 10+ interactions per session and 20+ per week consistently see what happens if you do 10, 20 or even 30 approaches in a single day; you'll feel like Superman
/r/seduction29/07/26 07:15 PM
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you have severe self esteem issues and probably need therapy before you do anything to get your dating life in order
/r/seduction29/07/26 05:57 PM
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yes, within 75 minutes and then again within 100 minutes
/r/seduction29/07/26 07:49 AM
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Ah ok in future it's generally better to ask the girl directly for her number and suggest a hangout but if she likes you and knows you from a social environment likely won't matter that much
/r/seduction28/07/26 08:11 PM
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Tease her, allow silences to sit to build tension rather than immediatley asking another question, ask questions with emotional salience rather than ones that are about facts, also go for the pull early.
/r/seduction28/07/26 08:08 PM
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The whole experience made me realize just how shitty dating culture is in the US ... If you’re a 6/10 attractive in the US, you’ll be a 9/10 in Mexico City. Personally, as a 7-8, I got 999 matches on tinder very fast. What does this have to do with the dating culture? You were just in a different tier of attractiveness because you stood out. Or do you think that these women were treating local Mestizo guys (assuming all else being equal: who are in the same height and facial handsomeness percent…
/r/seduction28/07/26 08:10 AM
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The next step is to message her and then ask her out. I went to my mic and this one girl who both of us are slowly acknowledging each other was there. She's there every week and so am I This is a semi-warm environment where both of you were at least vaguely acquainted with each other beforehand and you seem to be underestimating this. Now one thing I realize I fucked up on was me not putting my arm around her although that also would've been too soon ... I also fucked up by not playing into it T…
/r/seduction28/07/26 07:57 AM
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I could be wrong but so far I don't get the sense this matters that much really. I've done both ways and the main criteria seems to be how much the girl likes me and not how we were sitting; I haven't noticed a correlation between seating arrangement and likelihood of pulling. Job interview energy comes from either her having low sexual compliance and her rerouting everything to polite get to know you questions, or you having low flirting skills and either bringing that energy yourself or tolera…
/r/seduction28/07/26 07:36 AM
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If you've never had any dating experiences you need to identify what's holding you back and start getting dating experiences rather than fixating on age.
/r/seduction28/07/26 05:11 AM
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What's the minimum amount of likes you'd want to in the first day to consider it proof of concept to continue working with?
/r/seduction28/07/26 04:44 AM
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First of all, yes it's good to have media literacy and skepticism of Reddit in general. Secondly, the other guy rightly pointed out that this is OP's entire posting history. If you take a look you'll notice a lot of them are about this "cousin". Thirdly, you acknowledge the post is confusing to interpret and badly written, kind of undermining the idea it has any utility at all.
/r/seduction28/07/26 04:43 AM
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Sounds like you've improved your profile and managed to create one that is quite likely viable. Getting 7 likes for a male profile on Tinder is good even with the new profile boost, although it also depends on how big your city is. Spend some time with it and see if it works for getting dates or if you need to keep optimising or want to change track and focus on another form of dating. If new matches keep coming in even after the new profile boost wears off and you manage to get some dates from …
/r/seduction27/07/26 05:23 AM
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the fact that this kind of thing can happen doesn't mean that OP specifically didn't make up his story or that the story is particularly useful for learning anything
/r/seduction27/07/26 03:21 AM
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hmmm I wonder if there is any sort of semantic relationship between "playful" and "game"
/r/seduction27/07/26 03:19 AM
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Don't listen to this guy, he's just LARPing. It's totally normal to have female friends who aren't good wingmen.
/r/seduction26/07/26 03:32 PM
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also great job on the glow up, you look great
/r/seduction26/07/26 10:52 AM
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At your height and ethnicity apps are always going to be kind of hard. You're handsome and seem to have decent social skills and dress sense and some good dating experience already, I think you're the kind of guy who would probably do quite well with daygame as long as you can learn to wear down your fear of approaching and approach it with a disciplined skill-building attitude. That said, if getting better photos made your results worse I wouldn't discount that you may have done something with …
/r/seduction26/07/26 10:52 AM
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If you're struggling with direct openers there are a couple of common problems: your general social skills were not developed before you started approaching women you're interested in your delivery is off, you're not doing warmups and approaching at volume to improve your mood and skill you're not doing that many approaches and are assigning too much importance to each rejection your overall presentation isn't good (in terms of dress sense, haircut, weight, and so on, it's going to be very hard …
/r/seduction26/07/26 10:21 AM
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I wouldn't bother listening to most naturals. Often they just have low standards and are kind of lazy, just lucked into specific social environments or managed to hit on a specific archetype on OLD that works while still dating "down" most of the time. Naturals that are actually good at getting attractive women regularly are extremely rare and even they will probably just tell you to "be forward", but they have absolutely no idea how to learn to be forward if you're not already forward.
/r/seduction26/07/26 09:08 AM
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A good way to avoid timewasters is to not go on instant dates Or at least try to pull within an hour and then take the number and leave if she doesn't pull
/r/seduction25/07/26 08:34 PM
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even before apps people were always complaining about how standoffish girls in bars and clubs are and how only "bad boys" manage to get them, has been a thing for ages in an environment with high anonymity and turnover women always become more selective and the skill threshold is higher before apps people also mostly met through social circles not in bars
/r/seduction25/07/26 01:01 PM
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Also you say a lot of hours but how many hours exactly? If you can dedicate one Saturday per week plus one weekday evening when shops and shopping centres are still open you can definitely manage 30+ approaches per week. If you can't hit those numbers in that kind of time window then it's more of an issue with fear of approaching than with time availability. If you're clocking out at like 9 pm every weekday evening and also working Saturdays then sure that's going to be a lot harder.
/r/seduction25/07/26 10:25 AM
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The concept of abundance "mindset" is mostly nonsense, it's just a coach buzzword. You need to develop your skills and learn to generate leads regularly. "Mindset" is at best only part of that.
/r/seduction25/07/26 10:20 AM
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Here's what I'm seeing: Your sample size is very small This is indicative of unrealistic expectations. Five approaches is a very small amount and getting ghosted by all of them is a totally normal outcome within a normal range of variance even for a reasonably experienced guy. "Good conversations" and numbers don't neatly convert to dates Getting numbers from all of them is probably a bit too high actually. Means you're likely filtering for safe sets and also not being too polarising or showing …
/r/seduction25/07/26 10:11 AM
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Where did I deny that or even talk about that at all? Cite the exact sentence or paragraph. (You can't, because it doesn't exist). Yes if you're substantially below average in looks cold approach is going to be very, very hard. But you are moving the goalposts because you cannot answer my actual point. But what I actually said was this: Game overlaps with normal social skills to a degree but actually quite often contradicts them because you have to break rapport and take risks ... You are again …
/r/seduction22/07/26 09:48 AM
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You're just redefining terms in a totally nonsensical and idiosyncratic way. Game isn't about negotiating or manipulating anything it's about actually internalising attractive attitudes and behaviours over lots of interactions. It's about developing an actual skill. You say years of experience, but you're not saying what the actual volume of practice was. If you didn't do 1k approaches or so in your first year you're not getting enough reference experience to notice some of the things I'm talkin…
/r/seduction22/07/26 05:38 AM
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I took her on 2 dates before where she rejected my advances What were your "advances" on those two dates? she look back and asked “so I just want to be clear that we are not going to see each other again so I don’t end up asking you what happened like the last time” Look, woman can sometimes behave erratically, sure. But in this case she was literally matching your melodramatic, ultimatum-laden energy: "I told her there that that is what I want and if she is not going to give it we can’t hang an…
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:28 PM
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Brought a woman (f28) to my house after she rejected my advances This doesn't really make sense, you're skipping some steps to the interaction. For the rest of my comment I'm going to assume you took her on a date but even that's not clear from your post. I did it because she show interest Wrong attitude, shows you're timid and relying on green lights. once we were in my room she wouldn’t let me kiss her Either she had somewhat low interest, you escalated somewhat clunkily, or she was testing yo…
/r/seduction21/07/26 02:06 PM
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It's interesting that the level of intellectual cowardice in your comments fully reflects your lack of game and dating experience. I have directly challenged you on your nonsensical views multiple times and also directly challenged you to be as transparent on your actual experience level and metrics as I have been. But instead of responding to anything I say, you have to hide behind some other guy and agree with him. If you are so sure in your views, how are you not able to justify them ever? Wh…
/r/seduction21/07/26 12:51 PM
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If you've never hooked up with a woman who gave you token resistance you are literally just telling on yourself and your experience level. You are again assuming that attraction always means maximum and fully frictionless compliance no matter the circumstances. It literally doesn't and if you believe this again you just haven't been in field at all. Most importantly, you completely refused to address my core point: none of those real-world escalation mechanics have anything to do with "basic soc…
/r/seduction21/07/26 12:46 PM
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Thanks so much for saying this. I wasted so much time on instant dates when I was starting out. The last straw was when I ended up on an instant date with a mega-bored tourist which totally cut my momentum just as I was starting to get into it in that specific session and I thought "why am I even doing this?" Not sure where this general obsession with instant dates comes from.
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:40 AM
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Notice how you say you can tell from INFIELD which girls are keen not from YOUR OWN APPROACHES (because you are not doing any).
/r/seduction21/07/26 09:16 AM
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This just isn't really true. Game overlaps with normal social skills to a degree but actually quite often contradicts them because you have to break rapport and take risks, which is not necessary and very often counterproductive in normal social and professional environments. If a woman is at your apartment and starts giving you anti-player testing what is the "normal social skills" response? Obviously to give her space and think she's just not ready and hope for a second date. But if you do thi…
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:58 AM
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How do you know this? Based on your posting history it's clear you don't approach at all and are not really actively dating, your entire dating life seems to be commenting on this forum about how cold approach is exactly the same as Tinder and everything is entirely binary. You post constantly, always post exactly the same thing, but it's always theoretical and not based on any actual field experience. When anyone responds with any (often extremely obvious) objections to your nonsense based on a…
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:26 AM
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Pretty much all men who are not psychopaths are at least somewhat afraid of rejection. It's a matter of degree and is context-dependent, it's not this binary thing. Seems like this thread is more for you to posture about how you're not afraid of rejection than actually talking about practical steps for people to make their fear more manageable.
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:22 AM
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If this is a cold approach context you really shouldn't be fixating on signs like this. Often what you think are signs are just her being in a social mood, or it's just random. You just ask her out, get the number if she says yes, then set up the date over text, then escalate on the date if she turns up. You're labouring under the assumption that you need to flirt heavily in response to green lights and that's not really the case.
/r/seduction21/07/26 08:21 AM
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Yeah exactly. And if you come across as someone who doesn't mind rocking the boat, you're less likely to be treated like a wounded puppy who needs to be "let down gently", which means you get way more ghosting than melodramatic rejection texts.
/r/seduction20/07/26 06:52 PM
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The reason I said "highly agreeable" rather than the alternatives you suggested is because I refuse to pathologise totally normal male behaviours that just happen to be unattractive. It's a really pernicious through line through most dating advice for men that men are fundamentally deficient and could guarantee positive outcomes just by doing the "right" things (both PUAs and mainstream discourse have their own version of this). That's also why I talked about a "typical spread of outcomes", "typ…
/r/seduction20/07/26 06:11 PM
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funnily enough OP is actually a man who fell in love with a bargirl in Thailand if his comment history is to be believed. four day's ago he posted this thread in this subreddit: The girl has changed totally after an amazing time together. How to get things back? We've all been had by OP lol
/r/seduction20/07/26 05:22 PM
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Am I getting “nice guy “ vibes here? , is this comment coming from a sentiment of how dare this woman not reciprocate since I was emotionally invested etc It's not about "how dare she not reciprocate" it's what the typical spread of outcomes is from certain behaviours is. If you're highly agreeable and invest heavily in an individual girl before any intimacy, and don't really know how to flirt, this is the kind of typical response you'll get. It's not "wrong" for the girl to do this it's just wh…
/r/seduction20/07/26 04:54 PM
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Yes, cold approach is the most time-consuming, effortful and emotionally difficult form of dating in many ways. It can get easier and more fun over time, but you have to get past a certain threshold of volume and experience to experience this. If you're not doing sessions where you do 10+ interactions (and that includes warmups when you're starting out, not just "real" approaches, the point is to develop the skill) you're unlikely to pass this threshold. So yes it's entirely possible that it's b…
/r/seduction20/07/26 11:26 AM
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nailed it
/r/seduction20/07/26 10:59 AM
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I think you've responded to the wrong person
/r/seduction19/07/26 09:03 AM
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I would start by doing approach anxiety drills and reducing your general fear of talking to strangers. ask for directions ask for café and restaurant recommendations ask questions to customers browsing in shops, either a recommendation or just if they've seen some item give compliments to guys give compliments to girls (without expecting a conversation, think of it as a hit and run) Work up to doing these at volume (10 or so per session, compress the sessions down to an hour). After you've done …
/r/seduction19/07/26 09:00 AM
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It's easy because you made out with one girl once?
/r/seduction19/07/26 08:32 AM
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I genuinely don’t feel scared approaching The first step towards improvement is to stop lying to yourself. Sorry to be blunt but no-one who isn't a psychopath isn't at least slightly scared approaching, this is just impossible, and certainly not starting out. I come with a low energy or someshit that doesn’t lead to good outcomes This is because you're not skilled at approaching because you have barely done it at all. Again sorry to be blunt but you need to actually diagnose your problem to know…
/r/seduction19/07/26 08:02 AM
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search "progressive desensitisation" and "approach anxiety" in this sub. do drills at volume (work up to 10 or so and try to do it in less than an hour or an hour and a half or so). expect it to take several months if you really commit to it.
/r/seduction19/07/26 07:54 AM
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You're reversing causation. If you can regularly (although to be fair "sometimes" is a bit vague) get 4-5 dates in a week from OLD you are in a very high tier of male profiles. It's not caused by you "going for quality over quantity". Not really actionable advice, unless you're going to say "improve your profile".
/r/seduction19/07/26 07:49 AM
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The topic wasn't "what women find attractive". The topic was specifically social proof, pre-selection and status (which you repeatedly conflate with wealth — wealth is NOT status). In your response, you'll again insist attraction is entirely binary and predictable, entirely derived from state and confidence and nothing else, and you'll again give extreme analogies that allegedly show it and then complain that I engaged with the analogies. I do not aspire to be a guy on a magazine cover. I explic…
/r/seduction18/07/26 07:53 PM
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You're moving the goalposts and are continuing to argue against a macho caricature rather than what I actually said, just like your absurd "CEO shirt and lamborghini with bikini girls" example, and bringing up more random hypothetical examples (awkward tall guy, rich coder) rather than addressing the core of my argument. "Material" stuff has nothing to do with status most of the time. Your comments misunderstand the concept of status; it's entirely relative and highly milieu-specific and only ta…
/r/seduction18/07/26 05:41 PM
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the idea that you can't 'just' act with that degree of authority, confidence, charisma I mean I do pickup so of course I don't believe this. Yes pickup skill and internal emotional states have a demonstrable effect on outcomes in pickup, of course they do. I wouldn't do pickup if I believed otherwise, or at least it would be a very boring and mechanical pursuit. I just think you're redefining this to be the same thing as social proof when it's clearly not. And just because pickup is great and wo…
/r/seduction18/07/26 01:05 PM
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No, preselection is not a cartoon interpretation of a 'cool guy' stood in front of a sports car with five bikini clad women around him - wearing a shirt with "CEO" on the back and a 'hype man' that follows him around. I never said anything close to your cartoonish example. Not sure who you're talking to there. Creating a fictional macho stereotype doesn't refute the fact that actual social status is completely separate from your internal emotional state and pickup skill. What way do they determi…
/r/seduction18/07/26 12:29 PM
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Superficial forms of pre-selection are nonsense. Behavioural (real, honest) preselection is based on conveying confidence and charisma. That's not true at all. Pre-selection in a specific social environment can and does have an effect. But you have to actually be embedded in that environment and actually have status in it. Preselection is having an advantage where it's easier for me to convey confidence, status, be outgoing, expressive, carefree if I'm established, accepted, and approved of beha…
/r/seduction18/07/26 11:23 AM
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Pre-selection and social proof do work but it's difficult to engineer and it's difficult to find an environment where it'll even matter since most milieus don't have that many attractive single women in them in the first place. People heavily imply all the time that social proof is about going to any random social event or semi-warm environment and just being buddy buddy with people and being on good terms with female acquaintances, which is at best very limited (the top voted comment in this ve…
/r/seduction18/07/26 08:18 AM
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It's fool's gold. Notice how OP didn't get laid.
/r/seduction18/07/26 04:03 AM
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all good! sorry I was so blunt
/r/seduction17/07/26 09:57 AM
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I was asking OP for actual information not for your speculation
/r/seduction17/07/26 09:27 AM
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Does her job have anything to do with the intelligence of rats?
/r/seduction17/07/26 06:55 AM
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Always text. Might be a fake number or she might not respond but there's no point self-rejecting and throttling your funnel yourself. I asked her name and after a couple messages i told her to join me outside for another beer since she finished mine. She did. Good stuff! Bouncing her was the right move.
/r/seduction17/07/26 06:46 AM
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Yes you can get an LTR from your social circle and it doesn't require "game" a lot of the time. People here are mostly talking about getting laid from cold approach or OLD, where the window is genuinely much smaller because you start off as a stranger and have to schedule meetups and can't let her slowly develop a crush on you over time in a neutral environment. Most of the time in this sort of context if things don't move forward fast they just don't happen. (The only thing that you mentioned t…
/r/seduction17/07/26 06:44 AM
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I would argue that older women are easier to pull because they have more experience and don’t play games. You can argue it but is there any actual basis for believing this?
/r/seduction17/07/26 06:31 AM
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So to start getting older women is more or less the same as getting younger women. The more attractive they are the more they have options and the more likely you're going to need more game to get them. People here don't want to believe this, every time they say it's easier because they don't play games or whatever, it's really just not true. The only time they "don't play games" is if she really just wants you as an fwb but this is more likely to be a less attractive older women (and more likel…
/r/seduction17/07/26 06:28 AM
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You're running on autopilot, your response (again) isn't relevant to what I actually said. I didn't give "excuses": I told you I've done hundreds of approaches and got results and am improving slowly over time (this is what real skill development in the real world looks like regardless of the skill). I did give advice: stop trusting charlatans with obviously fake success rates like "60-80% approach to date" or "1/6 approach to lay" and who refuse to define their terms and metrics or discuss any …
/r/seduction16/07/26 11:39 AM
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Nice stuff! These are great approach anxiety drills. To really start seeing compounding effects you'll have to eventually work up to doing 10 interactions or so per session, that's your next step. Then you can start thinking about how to extend conversations more later. Also you really shouldn't think in terms of "targets" yet at your level you're really just working on your fear of approaching and saying anything not honing in on the girls you like the most.
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:42 AM
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If you have some personal experience with it, odds are its from altering their advice with your feelings rather than following it exactly as it was taught to you. Also this is just totally unfalsifiable, it's the defense of every guru cultist ever, I've seen this same kind of thing in fields that I am more skilled in than pickup. The method can't be disproven because if anyone finds it doesn't work it's because they just "did it wrong". Imagine someone using this kind of cheap trick to defend ch…
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:06 AM
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Telling me to give advice is a rhetorical trick. Even if I had no advice to give it would not mean that your advice is necessarily correct, or that pickup coaches are necessarily good. Pickup coaches are mostly charlatans and your advice is mostly terrible regardless of what I say. But since you asked, here it is: my advice is for you to stop pretending to be an advanced cold approach master in a forum where you claim to have astronomical, undocumented success rates (ABOVE 1/6 for approach-to-la…
/r/seduction16/07/26 08:01 AM
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You're forming your opinions about dating coaches based on the worst of the worst. The vast majority of them are terrible and many of them lie through their teeth. There's maybe one or two that are good and a handful that are a step above mediocre (not particularly helpful but at least not actively damaging). By the way, a lot of the highest voted posts on this sub are actually by dating coaches A lot of the highest voted posts on this sub are likewise absolutely terrible.
/r/seduction16/07/26 06:25 AM
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Huh? I didn't ask for advice. Re-read my post. Also your advice was non-advice. Not helpful to anyone trying to learn, it would just make them feel insecure about how they haven't figured out this "natural" thing. Next time, if you have nothing to say, just don't comment.
/r/seduction16/07/26 05:52 AM
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Wow you didn't use daygame tactics in nightgame? Amazing! Next time you'll tell me you're not using basketball tactics when playing chess. Do you have any more insights you'd like to share?
/r/seduction15/07/26 03:52 PM
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Saying that you talk about balance and are perceived as extreme and that this is some sort of contradiction is just semantic confusion and a lack of basic logic on your part. The fact that you posture about not being extreme doesn't mean you're not extreme. And it's not about perception: it's what your actual framework is. It's PUA dogma, which in the context of this thread is the exact opposite extreme from disgruntled "skill doesn't exist" fatalists. Your framework is not wrong because it's ex…
/r/seduction15/07/26 09:05 AM
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Ah yeah that makes sense, I guess it's just hard to find good wings and lair dynamics can easily become quite toxic. I can't imagine what it must have been like entering pickup while also struggling with general feelings of being accepted socially, that sounds like it would make pickup even harder than it already is. Glad you managed to find that acceptance though, that's great.
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:57 AM
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But OK, I'll bite and respond in more detail to your previous gish gallop: You are responding to a debate script in your head rather than what I actually wrote. I never said PUA was "bad" or "extreme" because it uses negs. You brought up negs out of nowhere because you are used to defending pickup against mainstream media and bluepill critiques, and they are indeed obsessed with negs. I don't care about negs at all and also won't defend facile, hypermoralising critiques of PUA. You are the only …
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:40 AM
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No, the title only spoke of one extreme (singular), referring to fatalists who don't believe in pickup skill at all, and the post was centred on those fatalists. Now look at the context of the discussion thread. Allthatentrails said this: Both sides are lying, referring to those same fatalists on one end and pickup coaches who promote unrealistic expectations and silly techniques on the other. In response, you said this: The lie comes in when people talk about extremes but the truth is somewhere…
/r/seduction15/07/26 08:17 AM
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100% agree. The whole thing is just social media drama. The fact that people were basically salivating over the opportunity to "humble" Clavicular shows this whole circus is pathological.
/r/seduction15/07/26 07:10 AM
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Men and women have been around for hundreds of thousands of years but definitely didn't live in highly anonymous big cities under capitalistic class society for that whole period. They also weren't managing lay counts of many dozens. Your response is also totally irrelevant to the content of the thread.
/r/seduction15/07/26 07:05 AM
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You were the one who started talking about extremes: The lie comes in when people talk about extremes but the truth is somewhere in the middle.
/r/seduction15/07/26 07:03 AM
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Your views are much closer to the "PUA" extreme than you are letting on. You fixating on social media drama is the same sort of spectator attitude as the fatalists I criticised in the OP.
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:12 PM
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Ah right I work in shifts, including some night shifts and weekend shifts, so I've stuck to daygame mostly, it works better for my schedule. I tried some solo sober nightgame at the start but I just couldn't make it work and the learning curve was too steep. I'd like to get back into nightgame but I'll probably only manage to do it consistently if I take a month off work, hopefully my daygame skills will transfer by the time I'm ready to do that. I read The Game and didn't really get anything ou…
/r/seduction14/07/26 05:17 PM
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The problem with relying solely on intuition (just asking yourself "did I generate more or less interest?") is statistical variance. In pickup, there are natural upswings and downswings that have absolutely nothing to do with your actual skill level. If you aren't aware of the normal range of variation, you can't reliably judge whether a change in behavior was the actual cause of increased interest or it was just random. I’m genuinely glad that this intuitive approach worked for you. It wouldn't…
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:56 PM
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1000%. Attraction is multifactorial and skill is a factor. But skill is not the same thing as aping coaches either. It comes from actually practicing.
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:46 PM
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I agree that most fatalists are far worse than most coaches. But I think the problem with a lot of the "free" content is that they are still very rarely realistic about actual conversion rates and essentially lie by omission. The only exception I can think of is James Marshall who is honest about the fact that instant dates don't really affect later conversion that much and also that you "maybe have a real chance with 5/100 or so". Once Todd V said something about conversion rates in his free co…
/r/seduction14/07/26 04:41 PM
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yes you can do this and her reaction will depend more on your delivery and whether you executed the approach correctly and her mood / whether she is interested than on the fact that you crossed the road often when you run a bit to catch up to a girl your delivery actually improves and becomes more authentic and you get a better reaction
/r/seduction14/07/26 02:48 PM
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Also, if you decide to respond to me after his: Do NOT engage in motte and bailey argumentation, where you defend a "strong" argument and then retreat to a "weaker" one without acknowledging that you have done this as a way to defend a "strong" argument that you know is wrong. The statement we were discussing was this one: The game isn’t hard. It’s only hard when you try to convert women who aren’t interested**.** My contention is that 1) you can't know this reliably from infield because interes…
/r/seduction14/07/26 12:28 PM
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Assuming the reference is to observations from infield footage: That when a coach approaches a woman who displays pronounced coldness from the very outset, the interaction rarely culminates in even a weak number close. More often, it results in what amounts to active disengagement, with her effectively disregarding him. Yes but that only corresponds to a minority of sets. Let's say you do 100 sets. You get 10 women that are highly dismissive. You get 20 women being enthusiastic, talkative or fla…
/r/seduction14/07/26 12:04 PM
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I like predicting whether you're going to post in a thread based entirely on the title. I have a 100% hit rate so far. Do you have anything else to say, by the way? Anything about what you've specifically experienced in field, your actual metrics, how often you go out, what kind of openers you use, how many lays you've gotten over what time period? Ah no, you just want an emotional support group to complain about PUAs. And yes PUAs are stupid and liars but your comments are even worse. You're ju…
/r/seduction14/07/26 08:05 AM
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I honestly don't even really know what we're talking about anymore. I asked about your approach volume not to call you out or attack you, but because a lot of what you said sounds very theoretical to me (including absolute statements with "will" rather than "generally" or "in my experience", and abstract concepts like "trust" and "empathy", also conflation with nightclub dynamics which are different to daygame, also conflating openers with pulls and saying false time constraints apply to both ev…
/r/seduction10/07/26 02:42 PM
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That's a very small amount of approaches for 19 years especially if you're including warmups in the number, and since you talk about clubs a lot I'm not even sure if that's all daygame. If you go out and do 50+ direct daygame approaches a week (and not conflating daygame with nightclub dynamics as you do in your comments) you'll start seeing the actual patterns. The reason I am talking specifically about actual hook RATES is because I have seen patterns from doing daygame with direct openers at …
/r/seduction10/07/26 02:00 PM
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How many direct daygame approaches have you done in total and over what period?
/r/seduction10/07/26 01:45 PM
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Since u r not replying ..... Mate I was literally sleeping. It's 8 am in most of Europe now. it also shows empathy. This says you understand how the girls feels Very often they don't feel this way and are very happy and flattered to be interrupted. At a subconscious level you get better reactions if you believe deep down women want to talk to you, and you generate more hooks by running your mouth through the initial awkwardness (if there is any, and there often isn't) than by saying you're going…
/r/seduction10/07/26 06:10 AM
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I tried it and it made the interactions more awkward and didn't improve hook rates. My experience is that the shorter the opener the better. Ftc is also used significantly in marketing and cold calling .... studies shows the best cold call scripts has ftc at the beginning Well OK but cold approach pickup isn't marketing, so what works in one field might not work in another.
/r/seduction10/07/26 06:06 AM
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None of that is easy at all when you're standing in front of a stranger that you've just met and who may or may not give instant and obvious compliance and enthusiasm on the opener or be expecting to talk to a stranger in that moment. (In your response you'll inevitably say that oh well if they don't give you compliance then it's impossible but notice how I said INSTANT AND OBVIOUS, even in your own nonsensical framework you have to accept the existence of shy girls.) There is a difference betwe…
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:16 PM
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Go over and say "excuse me" (people in this forum say this isn't macho enough but it's not true) But that's not really your issue, the issue is actually practicing approaching properly so you're more likely to get an average better spread of reactions and numbers and dates Also the idea that EVERY girl you saw was buried in her phone is just your approach anxiety talking. Some were walking between shops, some were browsing shops, some were wearing headphones, some were in groups, but you wouldn'…
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:06 PM
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False time constraints don't really improve hook rates and make the opener too long and awkward. It's this weird PUA thing everyone keeps repeating but I haven't seen it work in field, maybe I'm wrong but I just don't see it. While you're saying your false time constraint most of the time they're still getting used to the fact that they're suddenly in a conversation.
/r/seduction09/07/26 05:03 PM
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OP is Indian. The word "aunty" in Indian English has nothing to do with closeness, just age.
/r/seduction09/07/26 06:16 AM
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By "aunty" he means a woman that's older than him (see meaning 2 here), not his actual aunt.
/r/seduction08/07/26 01:29 PM
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Also the reason I pointed to the inner game issue is that these kinds of posts are poison to men's inner game, not because I necessarily want him to give an inner game lecture. If he were to focus on outer game and actually be specific (approach angles, specific lines, specific situations, and so on) I wouldn't have an issues with it, although even there the inner game issue of why men tend to make certain mistakes would still be relevant. But the main issue with this whole framework of teaching…
/r/seduction08/07/26 12:48 PM
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I actually don't doubt he gets some results, some of the stuff he does can work reasonably well, especially if you're talking to lots of tourists and exchange students in a highly international city with lots of churn. But that doesn't mean he can necessarily teach what he does, since his posts are mostly vague and disjointed and when I've seen him analyse his students' infield most of what he says doesn't make sense or correspond to the reality of what is even happening in the interaction. A gi…
/r/seduction08/07/26 12:41 PM
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Ok, "What I learned about OUTER GAME by getting rejected by 1000 women in 1 year." Fixed it for you. No, throughout the whole post the coach talks about "mindsets" and what your attitude towards the women you're talking to should be. He gives very little useable outer game, it's totally thin on specifics when it comes to actual technique. The only "line" he provides is "you are tired" and honestly the chances of a beginner getting a good response from that is actually much lower than from "you a…
/r/seduction08/07/26 12:39 PM
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Recycling the same content again and again. 'what i learned getting rejected by 1000 women in 1 year' False title. We know you didn't learn this over the past year because we know that this was all part of your routine before that. I have no issue with using bits and pieces of clickbait to get more reach if the content is helpful but your posts is so thin on actual usable information that it starts feeling a bit on the nose. If you're going to make the title of your post about rejection it would…
/r/seduction04/07/26 02:20 PM
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Bro, remember to actually say something of substance rather than spouting vague platitudes. I prefer actually getting laid to sitting around and posturing about how "human" I am.
/r/seduction03/07/26 08:46 AM
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They definitely do text first Not in the context of cold approach pickup. How many total strangers outside of explicitly social environments have you actually approached? I’d suggest you stop cold approaching and just be OK so you seemingly admit that you don't cold approach and are in fact against it so why are you discussing its mechanics? You overthinking and gameafying the whole process. Nope. What I am doing now massively improved my actual outcomes across multiple metrics. Your advice is t…
/r/seduction03/07/26 08:43 AM
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Feminism has pretty much zero bearing on how women react to cold approach I live in Seattle currently and no firsthand how bad feminism and progressiveness have ruined the dating scene for men. really bizarre claim
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:51 AM
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Pointing out that your advice contradicts your own stated field data and metrics isn’t a personal attack. I think I stated my argument pretty clearly. You can't rely on indirect daygame as your main funnel because you end up relying on "easy" sets which makes you do way less approaches, which gets you less dates and lays and just less field experience. This is born out by your own field data.
/r/seduction02/07/26 09:07 AM
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I'm saying that your advice isn't born out by your field experience and can't be applied by someone who wants to make daygame cold approach their main or only funnel.
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:59 AM
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Dude I've been in the game for way less than you and I have already been laid "several" times from cold approach, what a low bar. Literally wtf.
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:55 AM
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What is your basis for this? According to your posting history you don't cold approach much and source the vast majority of your leads from OLD. If indirect daygame was your main or only funnel do you honestly believe your current volume would generate consistent results? Edit: and he blocked me. if he was so confident in his results he wouldn't feel the need to do this.
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:50 AM
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How many direct daygame approaches have you done?
/r/seduction02/07/26 08:02 AM
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there is a huge difference between being vulgar in OLD and using a direct opener in cold approach pickup
/r/seduction02/07/26 07:58 AM
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Of course I'm not a woman. To have any actual data in this domain, you have to be the one doing the approaching. If my first thought is "how do i get rid of a guy if shit hits the fan" , it doesn't mean I'm not attracted I have approached hundreds of women in the street, shops, and department stores and so on. In the real world, the women who actually show up to dates do not do this. In practice if a woman is actually attracted and wants to see a man again, she helps make it happen. If she’s alr…
/r/seduction01/07/26 04:39 PM
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You're actually proving his point without realising it. If your reaction to the initial interaction is "how can I most easily block this guy?" then your attraction and investment are low or non-existent. Also in my experience you only get Instagrams in the first place when you're being really indirect and are inexperienced. When you're more polarising, confident and direct, the girl will say you can have her Instagram but actually just doesn't even add you in the first place. So no looking at st…
/r/seduction01/07/26 02:31 PM
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"Trap" is the wrong wording, too negative, but he's right that 1) giving girls your number is pointless since they rarely text first and 2) if she won't give you her number and insists on taking yours she's almost definitely not into you. You seem more interested in policing his negative tone than examining whether his observations are accurate. Or have you had a different experience flirting with random women in the street and shopping centres and such? They constantly give take your number and…
/r/seduction01/07/26 01:57 PM
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If it doesn't increase conversion what's the point?
/r/seduction01/07/26 10:40 AM
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Did I tell you to do that?
/r/seduction01/07/26 10:39 AM
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But why does the instagram help? If she's already highly attracted and compliant giving the instagram doesn't increase your chances.
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:31 AM
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If you've already got a girl on an instadate she's likely either 1) bored/disproportionately social on that specific day or a tourist or 2) highly attracted to you with disproportionately high compliance and will sleep with you regardless of whether you get the number or instagram
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:26 AM
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Notice how you haven't actually addressed anything I said about your posting history or bio. Parts of the wall of theory that you have thrown at me are true, sure. But it's also not relevant to this thread at all, and also isn't based on practice in your case. Dating is messy and random but when it comes to cold approach pickup specifically there are certain fundamentals that you need to internalise, and that includes escalating and not waiting for the girl to escalate for you. One of the things…
/r/seduction01/07/26 09:19 AM
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I really don't like attacking people for their posting history. But in this case it's so egregious, you've gotten 15 upvotes and you're going to mislead people. You're a straight guy with the lesbian pride flag in your bio, admit to being unemployed in your 30s and essentially wanting some kind of sugar mommy, and are here telling people how to number close in cold approach. Mate come on, what are you doing? I'm not telling you off for being inexperienced but why do you want to mislead other ine…
/r/seduction01/07/26 08:36 AM
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It gives her the opportunity to invest, which usually makes the interaction cleaner and more attractive. Do you want the interaction to be more attractive or do you want to maximise the probability of a woman who is attracted to you actually ends up in bed with you? Plus, selfishly, it saves me the hassle of adding a contact for someone who may not even be interested. When you approach consistently at volume and have new numbers coming in every week you end up tuning this out, it becomes backgro…
/r/seduction01/07/26 07:37 AM
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don't bother with signs kiss her if you like her
/r/seduction30/06/26 08:53 AM
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Her wanting you to go home after sex doesn't sound like an anti-slut defense thing, that normally comes before sex not after. Sounds more like she wanted to get up early in the morning or something, or maybe she wanted to make sure it stays casual, or maybe she just sleeps better alone. If she wants to see you again you'll see her again, no need to overthink texting, just text her normally and try to set up another hangout. No guarantee either way but I wouldn't overthink the sleeping over thing…
/r/seduction28/06/26 07:33 PM
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Yes, you're jumping through a lot of hoops that are mostly irrelevant for sexual attraction and lays. All those checkboxes are designed to make you a safe option for a girl to settle down with eventually, it doesn't really give you a serious breadth of dating experience for the most part. It's also not fully clear if you're asking girls out at these social events or just going to them. Being lean and working out are great things. If you're aiming for casual sex you might benefit from running a b…
/r/seduction27/06/26 12:22 PM
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Funnily enough this is the first time I agree with you. I mostly open in what for me is a foreign language (I am C2 or so but I don't think I could reliably do this sort of verbal gymnastics on the open) in a country where people aren't really known for their humour. It's better to keep it simple by being direct and then asking her out and letting the chips fall where they may. You can improvise and joke around a bit more as you get more experienced but that has more to do with experience than l…
/r/seduction26/06/26 09:32 AM
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ffs I have disagreed with you in the past but the fact that you're getting heavily downvoted on this of all things shows how few people have been in field at all people are so in their heads half the time "excuse me" is literally necessary so they even hear the opener
/r/seduction25/06/26 08:02 PM
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where are you from what is your job / area of study what are you up to over time as you do more approaches you can start improvising and joking more
/r/seduction24/06/26 04:40 PM
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Dude I am not telling you to give a complex diagnosis or psychological evaluation. I am telling you to define and stick to your terms and give advice based on what OP is actually saying rather than an irrelevant fantasy scenario. You're the one who brought up your psychological credentials; if you're now going to now say they're irrelevant because of the medium of text then fine but then let's stick to understanding the text!
/r/seduction24/06/26 12:09 PM
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I’m not recommend a heavy verbal flirting at all, I’m recommend use a context in which he’ll be confident to flirt Dude no. You literally said this: "you can pickup with your dance partner saying something like “girl you dance hot like hell". This is heavy verbal flirting! I’m recommend use a context in which he’ll be confident to flirt He's objectively not confident in this context. If you're a psychologist you should be able to analyse what OP's actual situation is rather than projecting some …
/r/seduction24/06/26 11:52 AM
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How many timid guys in social dance have you observed to know this? How many times have you tried this line in the social dance seen? And why are you advising heavy verbal flirting on the dancefloor rather than just 1) asking girls out normally ("let's get a coffee next week") or 2) trying to expand your dance social circle by taking people to non-dance events (after-class drinks and so on)? that will be a strengh so he’ll be more confident According to his testimony he is spinning his wheels an…
/r/seduction24/06/26 11:04 AM
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but also to answer your question at the end almost every guy feels more or less this way when starting out
/r/seduction24/06/26 10:52 AM
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trying to say this as an awkward, timid guy in the social dance scene is a terrible idea. going from 0 to 100 without learning fundamentals
/r/seduction24/06/26 10:31 AM
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stop fixating on IOIs and location and focus on your actual problem, which is fear of approaching
/r/seduction24/06/26 10:26 AM
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You're right that he didn't grab her, I got distracted by the corny sound effects and the comical FIRST TOUCH caption. But I am willing to retract that, I was being too hyperbolic. I don't know what he "establishes a baseline" means. The girl being OK with touch is a function of her personality and mood in that moment and her liking him, not from the exact moment in the set when he touched her. Your reasoning is totally circular and unfalsifiable, and certainly doesn't support his claim that "FA…
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:28 AM
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He touches her from the side on the open
/r/seduction24/06/26 08:17 AM
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I have slept with women I wasn't particularly playful with. Being playful isn't a fundamental skill, it's something you layer on once you're comfortable opening and closing.
/r/seduction24/06/26 07:31 AM
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Bad blowouts never happen if you open by grabbing a girl who is walking by the arm? If constantly pawing at women was an "advanced" "system" that gives you "consistent 9s and 10s" as this guy claims he wouldn't keep going back to this single piece of infield to prove it.
/r/seduction24/06/26 07:25 AM
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also wtf that infield is so weird, he touches her on the open and then she tells him she's not married in the first 10 seconds (very uncommonly fast green light), and he claims that this comes from a "process" that leads to reliable "fast seduction"? if this infield isn't staged he is being highly polarising in this set and he didn't show all the terrible blowouts he got. also I looked at the other videos and he cites this one piece of infield that shows only a single set in every one of his vid…
/r/seduction23/06/26 07:19 PM
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You don't need to be that playful. You learn to be more playful over time by becoming more expressive in set, which you develop from confidence of doing lots of approaches. Asking questions is totally fine and works well as long as you also share things about yourself rather than going into interview mode.
/r/seduction23/06/26 06:38 PM
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ahhh that makes sense! I thought you were opening indirect and getting the "why do you want to know?" later in the conversation, puts different light on the whole thing, but still a strong session, in fact 21 direct openers in a single session with multiple successful closes as a beginner is even better! I would leave "what's your name" out of the opener it assumes too much rapport most of the time, I tend to ask for her name a bit later in the interaction once we've already chatted a bit. The i…
/r/seduction23/06/26 06:22 PM
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Is there any behavior a woman could exhibit that would cause you to cool your heels? Now talk about the girl who shared her food with him! Did it even occur to you to ask if she was o.k.? I do this sometimes with the fringe minority of women who are exceptionally awkward but when you've done your first 20 approaches you do NOT have this much control over the interaction, everything is so surprising and new that you have no way to interpret anything. If you actually tried it you would know this. …
/r/seduction23/06/26 06:17 PM
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No worries! I am from Australia and live in Germany. I get that India can be quite different to the West but from talking to my middle-class Indian emigrant friends my sense is the big cities there have modernised quite a lot over the past 10-15 years and also your FR doesn't sound particularly strange at all, seems like a pretty normal spread of reactions for very early indirect game.
/r/seduction23/06/26 11:42 AM
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Also I'd generally try for the number and do a specific date suggestion rather than swinging for social media, but if these are your first 20 or so approaches or you're still very early on in the process, I don't see any glaring technical mistakes in what you described, you are opening and more importantly closing (great!) and don't seem too beaten up by the rejections and the fact that the girl immediately shared her food with you shows your overall vibe is probably within a reasonably good ran…
/r/seduction23/06/26 11:31 AM
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how do I get rid of the objection: I'm getting late & why you wanna know my name, where I'm from this and that You can't. If you opened more direct you'd filter some of these girls out even faster, why do you want to know things about me is more if you open indirect and there is no rapport yet. I do direct game and I get this sometimes if the girl doesn't speak the language I opened in and I transition to conversation rather than restating the opener in another language, otherwise my sense is yo…
/r/seduction23/06/26 11:24 AM
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Women like flirting and having some degree of chemistry with a guy doesn't mean she necessarily wants to take it any further. If you're dipping into a big pool like talking to total strangers there is always going to be massive drop-off regardless of how good the interactions look on the surface. That's just the way it is. I’m pretty mortified about this. Like actually it’s sickening to my stomach ... I felt a genuine connection and it’s hard for me to process that it was a lie If you knew you c…
/r/seduction22/06/26 08:54 AM
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All of what you said are arbitrary rationalisations after the fact. They don't accurately describe his process or his framework or where any of it comes from psychologically, they're excuses. When he's lazy, it's because he's being authentic. When someone else is lazy, they're awkward. When he is persistent, it's because he has "high self-esteem" framed in the same way every other PUA does (hell, Todd V calls this "positive entitlement"). When someone else is persistent, they are "tryhard" or "e…
/r/seduction21/06/26 01:11 PM
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In one of his interactions he makes the girls guess how old he is and then flirtatiously feigns offense when they correctly guess that he's substantially older. How is that not tryhard behaviour according to his own framework? Why is he adding this "layer" of joking about his age? In another interaction he stops the girl and asks for Instagram after she literally starts walking away from him. How is that not tryhard behaviour? How is that any different to the front stops on the open he rails aga…
/r/seduction21/06/26 12:27 PM
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If you have been doing this for a while and have never hooked up with a shy girl, or never got a date from a girl who was a bit distracted or taken aback at the start but warmed up after 20-30 seconds, you are leaving good leads on the table. I honestly don't know what else to tell you because what you're saying is so different to what I see in field that I don't know where you got it from. It is totally normal for women to go through a "deer in headlights" moment when approached by a stranger. …
/r/seduction21/06/26 11:49 AM
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you don’t have to be a chicken to recognize a rotten egg. I don’t street race, does that disqualify me from telling the kid next door not to do it? Your analogy makes no sense because you're not telling him not to street race, you're commenting with tactical advice on the mechanics of how to street race. You explicitly told him to "modify" his approach to do different kinds of openers, even suggesting the sort of contrived PUA opinion opener about ties that Mystery would have done back in the da…
/r/seduction21/06/26 11:25 AM
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They dont seem to be optimised for click bait Come on man. Almost every video has the title "x knows NOTHING about cold approach" with him making a stupid face or using AI to give himself a beard or whatever. Also if it was fear of rejection then usually men try harder to game women by jestermaxxing or rizzing. Bayne seems to do nothing. He just communicates that all my investment in u is coming upto u and saying hello. One is avoidant fear and the other is anxious fear. Two sides of the same co…
/r/seduction21/06/26 09:11 AM
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What did you mean by connection and how can you judge whether this connection happened while you're in set?
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:36 AM
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Dude come on if he's so rich from crypto why is he charging 30 dollars for an e-book and 50 dollars for an expanded hardcover on an advertising cover site that is also the banner of his YouTube channel? The fact that he's rich also doesn't even in principle mean he doesn't want more money, that doesn't even make sense on the face of it. And also you're just making this argument after retreating from your previous claim that he doesn't make money from cold approach which is obviously not true at …
/r/seduction21/06/26 08:23 AM
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I've just watched the infield. It is of him approaching women in their early 20s in some Russian-speaking city, and getting Instagrams. He does 5 interactions in total with obvious cuts. In his first interaction he gets an obviously flaky Instagram from a girl who is literally starting to walk away from his small talk, nothing particularly groundbreaking. He does basic small talk with a cheesy grin, pretty normal stuff that is not different to any other natural game guy except he just doesn't op…
/r/seduction21/06/26 07:59 AM
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i notice he is not making money out of cold approach..he has not much incentive so whatever he teaches is just his wisdom from his approaches He is a YouTuber. He has plenty of incentive to do hacky things that help him grow his channel, which is evidenced by the fact that he does it constantly. Anyways if u look at his approach style..its so lame and crap but i have gotten numbers by doing that. Yeah and I've gotten numbers and dates from doing contrived PUA things like asking for directions or…
/r/seduction21/06/26 07:28 AM
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Honestly, being obnoxious in daygame is mostly pointless. The TikToks where guys get big reactions by running around saying weird pickup lines isn't even really daygame, it's just performative content that looks fun on camera. Your fear of being "aggressive" or "obnoxious" before you've even been in field is indicative of a specific (and common) inner-game problem. This is not a dig at you, it is overwhelmingly common among timid men trying to learn how to flirt, and I went through the same thin…
/r/seduction21/06/26 07:23 AM
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Not really. When you have this attitude you end up filtering for highly outgoing and talkative women or women who happened to be in a good mood on the specific day you talked to them, which is what tends to generate the feeling of "connection" through having nice conversations. But if you want regular dates, pulls and lays that's quite different... I guess if you don't care either way then it's fine but then you probably wouldn't be doing daygame in the first place.
/r/seduction21/06/26 07:21 AM
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that Bayne guy is an obvious hack. his whole thing is criticising other PUAs as a way to gain notoriety while 1) recycling the same basic advice everyone gives and 2) passing off his personal style preferences as fundamentals when they're not
/r/seduction21/06/26 07:04 AM
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Had you, for instance, approached her with a tie and shirt combo and said, “Excuse me, what’s your opinion of this tie? Too much?” In another thread you said that the only time you hit on a stranger was when she was working at a watch store. Have you ever flirted with a patron at a store? If not why are you giving advice on something you've never done? (You’ll notice the staunchest advocates of these lines typically use them outdoors where it is unlikely a woman would seek out a policeman.) This…
/r/seduction21/06/26 06:59 AM
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The point of approaching is to try to connect with them If you go out with this attitude you'll have a really bad time in field and burn out much faster.
/r/seduction21/06/26 06:56 AM
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Moving the goalposts. Are we talking about getting a decent chat or getting beaten up by boyfriends?
/r/seduction19/06/26 06:30 PM
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Sorry there are a lot of racist comments in this thread so I lumped yours in with them. The idea that you're going to get beaten up by boyfriends is a common beginner anxiety. Has nothing to do with Istanbul.
/r/seduction19/06/26 04:03 PM
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Dude what? No of course that's not what I'm saying. It's known as the stronghold of the Taliban, a famously ultraconservative religious movement, meaning there is a lot of enforced gendered segregation in public spaces. And I am saying that obviously Istanbul is nothing like that.
/r/seduction19/06/26 03:28 PM
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lol what of course not. how is that how you interpreted my comment?
/r/seduction19/06/26 02:31 PM
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if you haven't done any approaches and have just been inspired by some TikTok you need to start by working on approach anxiety and build your way up
/r/seduction19/06/26 12:54 PM
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yeah this is the kind of excessive plan that someone who hasn't been in field much would hatch up you need consistency and then slowly ratchet up the volume
/r/seduction19/06/26 12:53 PM
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almost no-one in Turkey wears the burqa what are you talking about
/r/seduction19/06/26 12:51 PM
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lmao what are you talking about it's Istanbul not Kandahar
/r/seduction19/06/26 12:45 PM
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I dont care about having a crazy amount of bodies If you're going to acknowledge that your system is not a reliable way of generating regular lays then we have no disagreement.
/r/seduction18/06/26 01:19 PM
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It shouldn't take you more than half an hour to find 5 attractive women in a big city if you don't have any fear of approaching.
/r/seduction18/06/26 12:53 PM
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Fair enough if you don't care, you're under no obligation to explain your comments or respond to me or anyone else. But for the sake of OP and the beginners reading this thread it's worth breaking down why this logic is a trap. Saying this works "usually" if you're "smart about it" means relying on external luck, not implementing a repeatable strategy. An "unusual situation" doesn't magically create a bond if the women isn't into you. Her reaction is going to depend more on whether she likes you…
/r/seduction17/06/26 03:50 PM
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I'm just going to have to call bullshit sorry. At best it's something that could have happened to you a handful times. certainly not across most interactions. If you had some magic technique you would go into more detail about it rather than just posturing about being "smart about it".
/r/seduction17/06/26 03:03 PM
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Is there a point where this stuff becomes second nature? Every 50-100 or so approaches it gets a bit easier and then after 900-1k total approaches you start feeling substantially more relaxed and can play with the process a bit more. Or should I be happy with the rejections? Yes but also that's not really an alternative to your previous sentence. You'll get rejections no matter how easy and fun it feels.
/r/seduction17/06/26 12:16 PM
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You need to do approach anxiety drills. To me a person wearing headphones is a clear sign that they want to be in their own world. This is a thing people say a lot on the internet but it isn't true.
/r/seduction17/06/26 11:25 AM
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Yes! And neither reaction is properly explained by women being terrified of normal men during the day, because they're not. The idea that requesting basic logical consistency in explaining ideas is equivalent to treating interactions as "logic puzzles" is just comical.
/r/seduction17/06/26 09:24 AM
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Also I'll just say that you said this: Night game both rejections and the acceptance is very high. You can even get a same day lay on night game or get told fuck off to your face. But are seemingly agreeing with this: The aggressive rejection doesn't happen in real life because women are generally scared of how men will react to rejection. Which is it? Are women terrified or are they so brave they're constantly telling you to fuck off? Seriously what is it with this forum and basic logical consi…
/r/seduction17/06/26 08:32 AM
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I have female friends and they aren't particularly afraid of socially normal men during the day as is also born out by my field experience
/r/seduction17/06/26 08:11 AM
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in the real world the vast majority of women aren't particularly afraid of normal men
/r/seduction17/06/26 05:26 AM
1

your interactions are too long and you're overinterpreting signals of sociability as signals of interest
/r/seduction17/06/26 04:36 AM
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if you live in a city with over a million people and can't find 5 women you like in a single day you're just rationalising your fear of approaching
/r/seduction17/06/26 04:35 AM
1

Are you claiming that most women you give your number text you first in cold approach?
/r/seduction17/06/26 04:31 AM
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yes
/r/seduction17/06/26 04:27 AM
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I wouldn't say there's no difference, it's a bit easier to get conversations in stores than on the street, but then this doesn't translate to dates and lays necessarily. When I look back on pulls and lays I'd say it's a fairly random mix. For approach anxiety I'd say do lots of drills (ask for directions, ask for café recommendations, hit-and-run compliments) and then work on skipping fewer girls once you can reliably approach at least some of the girls you like.
/r/seduction15/06/26 07:04 PM
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Fixating on success rate per venue like this is indicative of approach anxiety
/r/seduction15/06/26 02:58 PM
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Nice! That's a great start. If you feel like all your interactions are awkward there is a high chance you haven't been training the general skill of talking to strangers and haven't done that many approach anxiety drills. I remember when I first started doing direct opens I did like 5-6 and the interactions were so terrible that I had to spend more time asking girls for café recommendations and giving drive-by compliments, I wasn't ready yet and I had tried to "graduate" prematurely. Another thi…
/r/seduction14/06/26 09:43 AM
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No one in my area is really into game or pick up, so I'm kind of a lone wolf in that respect. This is also totally normal, pickup has become much less popular over the past 10 years or so. Really to get good you have to accept the lone wolf thing.
/r/seduction13/06/26 04:56 PM
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How many is a bunch? It takes hundreds of approaches to see measurable improvements in skill.
/r/seduction13/06/26 04:39 PM
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Yes this is normal. How many approaches have you done?
/r/seduction13/06/26 02:05 PM
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Sure but then you need to be honest about your hook rate, and if he did this it would dispel the magic of him having astronomical sucess rates. If he said "actually, no, the vast majority of interactions don't hook, but for the ones that do I have high conversion", I'd still be somewhat skeptical (because in my experience the "hook" can often just be social politeness or basic intrigue) it would at least be less implausible. And if that was what he meant why doesn't he just say it outright rathe…
/r/seduction10/06/26 03:26 AM
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No, I don't expect you to do anything for me. But if you're going to make an extreme claim that has never been satisfactorily demonstrated by anyone, surely you can understand that that is going to be met with skepticism? And does aiming for numbers instead of just approaches increase or decrease the number or repetitions I get in a day? Also, does aiming for numbers stop me from going beyond the bare minimum required to get a number? Of course not. But it conclusively disproves this sentence: C…
/r/seduction09/06/26 06:53 PM
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That's when I basically compliment her for compliment's sake and then immediately wish her a good day and start walking. If she responds warmly, I turn back to talk to her, if she responds blandly, I keep walking. This is a fun (if very basic) technique and can work but if you were honest you would say that this is a high filtering strategy that actually decreases your interaction > date rate. This is not at all consistent with 90% of women you talk to giving you their number and certainly not 6…
/r/seduction09/06/26 06:44 PM
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Are you misunderstanding what those 5 approaches are a metric for? 5 numbers, not approaches. The text is literally there. You said it: "I'm not going home until I actually get 5 women's numbers today." This was a thing you thought, but you also allegedly you didn't think much about numbers. I also find it quite telling that you fully evaded my point about infield and your claimed success rate not having being demonstrated and not being particularly plausible.
/r/seduction09/06/26 06:41 PM
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I'm looking forward to your uncut infield where you demonstrate averaging 60-80% for dates and 90-100% for numbers where you're approaching in varied scenarios. Collecting numbers is not something we'd think much of back then. In another thread you claimed that there was a period in your learning process where you in fact made collecting numbers a major metric and wouldn't go home unless you got a certain amount of numbers. Which is it? Here is the relevant section from your post "Why don't you …
/r/seduction09/06/26 06:02 PM
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Personally I don't appreciate having to shoulder the burden of approaching (and asking the girl out, inviting her over, etc.) and also have to unlearn years of social conditioning that made me timid and cautious and made me have a much worse dating life than I would have had otherwise. But instead of going to female-centric subreddits to tell them off I just deal with it.
/r/seduction08/06/26 01:23 PM
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You're just restating your view rather than engaging with what I side. How can you tell if a number is solid from infield? It's quite common for women to seem keen and give you their number. Again, all infield is technically consistent with a 0% success rate. I'm talking about succes (number or pull) What? Number and pull are massively different outcomes. How can you tell which numbers are actual successes from infield alone?
/r/seduction08/06/26 01:21 PM
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As we see in infield from pros, you can't make her attracted. How can you tell this from infield? Most positive interactions go nowhere in cold approach, so all infield could theoretically reflect a 0% conversion rate. The pros get rejected just as much as you or me How can you tell what their number > date conversion rate is from infield?
/r/seduction08/06/26 08:33 AM
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I mean that's true but not relevant to this thread since OP didn't ask for the girl's instagram
/r/seduction07/06/26 11:30 AM
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Yes I definitely agree with you in the sense that: OP is clearly doing multiple things right and has a good attitude and will improve by approaching more Some of the people responding to OP in this thread are just moralising or talking down to him I mean, being tactical is good. But success in creating sexual connections isn't purely a matter of tactics. Tactics help smooth the way, but they can't make a woman truly desire a man. No I agree, I don't think tactics and technique are a magic pill t…
/r/seduction07/06/26 08:16 AM
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I didn't say dumb I said random. The clothing line after she had already agreed to the date (unlikely to increase conversion in this case). I agree with you that people are being pointlessly hard on OP. But that doesn't mean that there is nothing for him to learn from this interaction.
/r/seduction07/06/26 07:51 AM
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The second maxim of PUA that is a fiction is that “It doesn’t matter what you say, it’s how you say it.” I don't think any PUA would claim this applies over text. "How" is about body language and delivery and so on which aren't relevant in texting. Also generally PUA is about structured verbal game, it's more the "natural game" post-PUA guys who say this sort of thing.
/r/seduction07/06/26 06:37 AM
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Taking risks is good but surely there is such a thing as taking smart risks rather than taking totally random ones?
/r/seduction07/06/26 06:30 AM
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Yeah texting doesn't matter that much in daygame so it's mostly not the time to start taking risks. Also you haven't done very many approaches at all.
/r/seduction07/06/26 06:28 AM
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weird in my experience there is no correlation between headphones and receptiveness and the girl I had the best chemistry with so far was wearing noise-cancelling headphones when I met her
/r/seduction07/06/26 06:20 AM
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it was terrible many years before that but yeah the AI has made it even worse
/r/seduction04/06/26 05:36 PM
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Duolingo is widely known to not work very well and the company has basically admitted to making its content and methods worse for the sake of "engagement".
/r/seduction04/06/26 04:23 PM
2

eye contact definitely matters. It tells you who is safe to approach/ interested and who may not be aware / not interested. It tells a lot. It actually doesn't.
/r/seduction03/06/26 09:06 PM
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do approach anxiety drills do sessions with lots of approaches bunched together
/r/seduction03/06/26 09:01 PM
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Otherwise, she'll 'swipe left' and ignore you lol What, you're saying that most women you try to talk to in cold approach fully ignore you? In my experience cold approach doesn't lead to such binary outcomes (either they are highly receptive on the open and then sleep with you or they completely ignore you) at all. One of my friends seemed to outslay a lot of my other equally good looking friends when he got a job as a flight attentdant. Being in a kind of high-status position with high turnover…
/r/seduction02/06/26 11:08 AM
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Yeah I mean cold approach works but it's very time consuming and a lot of interactions go nowhere. You need to develop some degree of intrinsic motivation and enjoy the interactions for what they are. It's totally reasonable to not want to bother with it. Also your conversion rate is unlikely to stay static as you improve your skills. It just takes a lot of time and effort to get there.
/r/seduction02/06/26 10:54 AM
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Getting 0 dates from 8 numbers is totally normal variance.
/r/seduction02/06/26 10:53 AM
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Why did you get angry at her rather than at him? If you have a problem with him then you should confront him. kinda accused her that he acts that way around her to get her attention and that he might like her more than just a friend Surely you can tell that this sentence is nonsensical, right? You accused her that he did something. What? I just want to win her respect back she probably sees me now as an insecure pitty man and that's not good. The spark is gone and she barely wants to sleep with …
/r/seduction02/06/26 09:43 AM
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I want to get better at cold approach but so far I’ve only done 6 approaches and got 1 date. So I’m still very inexperienced and not trying to pretend I have everything figured out. If your goal is to get better at cold approach you need to understand that you fixating on eye contact in this way is you rationalising your fear of approaching. If you want to learn cold approach, start with the basics and then ignore the things that are irrelevant to them.
/r/seduction02/06/26 09:28 AM
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Dude. There's no "mangling" involved. 1 out of 20 is 5%, which is a high percentage. I didn't say you hit on lots of women who were working, I said that the percentage of the overall interactions you cited in your comment was high. The only reason to pursue a woman while they're working is because you're prioritising your own comfort (she's forced to be nice to you), not the actual chance of her liking you (which is more or less the same as a customer, maybe less in fact). This is indeed amateur…
/r/seduction02/06/26 08:50 AM
1

I mean you can also get a girlfriend without approaching at all why is that the bar
/r/seduction31/05/26 05:12 PM
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it's a numbers game but one lay from 2k approaches is low
/r/seduction31/05/26 09:21 AM
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I have both watched at least half-an-hour’s worth of instructional videos every single day This is way too much. There are massive diminishing returns to consuming theory, in fact it can be damaging because it makes you overthink and change your style and overall framework in pointless and erratic ways. approached between 3 – 15 women every single day The volume is good but this is way too often. You need to take days off to properly recharge from approaches. This is my last chance for a relatio…
/r/seduction31/05/26 09:21 AM
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This is not something that typically happens in cold approach scenarios, certainly not something to strategically plan for in the context of having done only one approach over multiple years. Once the window's shut it's generally just shut. I'm not sure what you're basing your advice on but it seems to reflect more of a social circle based framework than a flirting with random strangers framework.
/r/seduction31/05/26 08:43 AM
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and when she DID reply it was a long ass essay that shortly read like this: I really want to meet you but i have a lot of exams right now (studying to become a doctor) going to move to a new apartment next week, will travel for whole summer so don’t really be available until august . really bad timing now” This is an extremely common and normal outcome and not something you have direct control over. Everyone who does daygame consistently gets lots of positive interactions that go nowhere, it's a…
/r/seduction31/05/26 08:40 AM
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If you are on a date the likelihood of her pushing you away from touching her in normal ways is quite low and also isn't particularly indicative of whether she'll want to kiss you. You can also just invite her over and do the kiss once she's over without having done much touch beforehand.
/r/seduction31/05/26 08:26 AM
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Hm I don't know to me managing sessions, state and your energy levels is a skill, suggesting otherwise seems to just be semantics to me. It is also correlated in my experience with improvements in the other relevant micro-skills.
/r/seduction31/05/26 08:04 AM
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Even if that data is skewed towards worse-case scenarios and off by 100%, the likelihood of getting a date from one approach is 1:10. That is pathetic. Why is that pathetic if it's a girl you like a lot and it happens often? My experience is that this meant that the girls I ended up dating were girls I liked a lot more on average and also I started getting laid more often than when I technially had a "higher" success rate. I don't think it's particularly productive to fixate on "success rates" i…
/r/seduction31/05/26 07:59 AM
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I was the furthest thing from a Casanova but yet I attracted a constant flow of girls I found attractive based on my standards. Could you quantify "constant flow" and why you believe that is a much lower standard than Casanova? Because as it stands this sentence contradicts itself as far as I can tell. If there was disinterest or even a hint of scorn, I aborted before approaching. Today I am going on a date with a woman I met last week who I made eye contact with and who I actually thought was s…
/r/seduction31/05/26 07:51 AM
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Even if this means you only approach 2 or 3 women a week, that's still 100-150 per year If you only do two-three reps of bicep curls per week, that's 100-150 bicep curls per year! What is hypertrophy? What is endurance? What is trying to learn anything or have any breadth of experience at all?
/r/seduction31/05/26 07:47 AM
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I mostly agree with you but I think you're (at least in this post) somewhat underestimating the amount of skill required to even play the numbers game most of the time, since it requires a certain baseline of endurance and consistency, which makes it not fully equivalent to writing C every time on a test. But yes this also improves alongside all the other micro-skills since running numbers is what gets you meaningful practice in the first place.
/r/seduction31/05/26 07:40 AM
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Men in Afghanistan don't really "get laid" for our purposes, since they just get married to one woman and have no other partners for the most part, at least if you exclude the very small percentage of the population that engages in polygamy. So I don't think that example is really relevant. Despite all the "dating apocalypse" discourse, the median guy in the West actually has much more dating experience than the median Afghan. In the bits about women "choosing to be single" you're also conflatin…
/r/seduction11/05/26 09:02 AM
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Oh no that was more of a Socratic question in the context of what OP was talking about than me actually being confused about it.
/r/seduction10/05/26 01:18 PM
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Yeah I dunno, it sounds like you're very attached to some sort of abstract philosophy around minimising rejection, and are not particularly interested in discussing observations from what typically happens in field. Your claims don't really map to my experience almost at all so there's not really much for me to work with here, especially if you're just going to restate your conclusion again and again and not really engage directly in what I said.
/r/seduction10/05/26 12:37 PM
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It's all about her energy, body language, tonality, attitude... you pick up on all these things in a split second In my experience this mostly comes after the approach (it's very common for a woman to "look" unapproachable and then be bubbly once you start talking to them) and that also isn't a reliable measure of whether they'll turn up on the date or sleep with you. Women being reasonably open to chatting and friendly is a dime a dozen in my experience, like it literally happens almost every t…
/r/seduction10/05/26 11:49 AM
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You just need a well adjusted group socially, and when oppurtunities arise they do normal people shit like meet women. This is actually quite rare and above the level of "normal people shit" in my experience. Most men, even socially well-adjusted men who do reasonably well with women in social circle scenarios or on OLD and have normal friendship circles, don't approach women almost at all in nightlife scenarios, and almost none do it during the day. EDIT: Also the whole thing about going to "ev…
/r/seduction10/05/26 11:42 AM
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Yeah of the two naturals I've met one grew up in Ibiza and started doing club game very young and one was from California and his uncle owned a strip club and he befriended some of the girls working when he was a teenager. And honestly I still can't necessarily vouch for the general consistency and breadth of their results, but I believe that they were quite good or at least better than anyone I've personally met. Even most playerish guys who get decent results aren't really "naturals" in this s…
/r/seduction10/05/26 09:16 AM
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Having friends is one thing but having friends who actually approach women and aren't weirdos or lazy is hard to find. You can try networking while in field but generally there aren't that many guys running approaches so they're far and few between and some of them have a bad attitude. Once I had a guy approach me in field because he saw me talking to women and he started ranting to me about his pickup philosophy and sent me a PDF on it over WhatsApp afterwards, he was really pushy and it was ha…
/r/seduction10/05/26 09:13 AM
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Honestly, you've just internalised negative views of male sexuality by spending too much time on the internet. I understand that you're young, but you'll learn faster if you allow yourself to abandon this framework and focus on what actually works and reflects reality as it exists, rather than letting "reddit stories" to encourage you to be over-cautious.
/r/seduction10/05/26 07:42 AM
2

No you don't have to take them on a date, you just have to make out with them and then undress them and then put on a condom.
/r/seduction09/05/26 08:36 PM
0

You can't find 20 women you're attracted to in a single day? How can you know in advance who is open to it?
/r/seduction09/05/26 08:33 PM
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No, it's fine. In practice in approaching the vast majority of women don't insist on Instagram in the first place and the ones that do are mostly doing it as a soft rejection.
/r/seduction09/05/26 04:34 PM
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People recommend doing a bit every day a lot but in my experience when you're starting out doing a small amount each day is much more mentally taxing than doing a lot on one day and then taking the rest of the week off. A big part of the difficulty of learning any complex skill is getting started and building some degree of flow, which you sabotage by practicing in a piecemeal way. In any case the way you get better at doing small amounts each day is by doing bigger sessions because that increas…
/r/seduction09/05/26 04:23 PM
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I don't know that doesn't sound like what happens in the real world, or at least not all the time. People end hookups and fwb arrangements on good terms all the time, and it generally doesn't start by loudly announcing "I only want to have sex!". Yes there can be some emotional friction and people can get disappointed, but that's just the way it is, it's not "unethical" to act in the dating world according to its rules, as long as you're not actively lying or manipulating her by pretending to be…
/r/seduction09/05/26 04:02 PM
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a lot of the times they just kind of made a move without talking about it at all. Why do you consider this to be unethical or manipulative? Also what does this have to do with apps?
/r/seduction09/05/26 03:32 PM
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That's not the framing of the article. Here is what it says: Local residents in the city of just under 60,000 residents told media that the acts revealed in the footage have destroyed some families and left some husbands with nagging suspicions about their wives.
/r/seduction09/05/26 08:30 AM
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At first I thought you were talking about the Caucasian country but I realised that it has no cities with that population. I'd say shopping centre but in a 250,000-300,000 town you probably will run into the same women at some point, to consistently get 20 it might make it a bit easier if you cycle between two venues (maybe somewhere in the inner city and then a shopping centre). For my main "high volume" areas I tend to cycle between my city's main shopping district and a kind of major intersec…
/r/seduction05/05/26 07:51 AM
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this is way too complicated and abstract for someone who has just done 20 approaches
/r/seduction05/05/26 05:54 AM
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Yes for now extend to 2-3 minutes, also try to do much more than 20-30, you should work towards trying to do that much in a single session.
/r/seduction04/05/26 05:37 PM
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Yes nightlife is not this easy thing where you'll randomly go home with girls constantly with little skill or effort. People call it "getting lucky" for a reason. But you can learn to get better at it and increase your chances of succeeding, it's just hard if you're not already a natural. Whether the barrier to entry is worth it for you specifically is a question only you can answer.
/r/seduction03/05/26 06:42 AM
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What city do you live in where it's at all possible for a woman to get complimented 12 times in a day? Especially since in your later commnt you suggest almost no-one is doing direct approaching.
/r/seduction01/05/26 05:16 AM
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Yes I agree that's quite contradictory. Personally I don't bother with IOIs much and the whole hair thing doesn't matter in my experience (but again I almost excluisvely do daytime approaching and am much less experienced with nightclubs).
/r/seduction30/04/26 05:06 PM
1

Huh? No, that's not what I'm saying at all.
/r/seduction30/04/26 03:35 AM
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Also I can't find the article you're citing or the sentences you put in quotation marks (like "Hunting for An IOI is one of the most common and dangerous mistakes", where is this from?) anywhere. Do you have a link?
/r/seduction30/04/26 03:29 AM
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That's a very uncharitable interpretation of the guy's comment, especially since you don't seem to be challenging his core point, which is that you can't reliably infer IOIs from things like the girl playing with her hair or whatever.
/r/seduction29/04/26 08:38 PM
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I feel like there is a lot of overthinking going on in this thread. Yes, most numbers from cold approach fizzle out, that's normal. No, that doesn't say anything about this particular lead, because you don't know until you actually try to convert. You made a flirtatious joke, she laugh-reacted to it. If anything that is a positive sign. The mistake I see is this: there is no need to frame the date invite in the context of a flirtatious joke, if anything this can be seen as tryhard or overly comp…
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:55 AM
1

So you made a joke and she laugh reacted to your joke. Where's the mystery?
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:50 AM
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I think there are multiple reasons: there are more men into women than women into women, and the former are more likely to take the initiative, so dating men gives you a much bigger pool that is also much easier to access when women say that men are trash and useless and unattractive they are just venting about specific gendered behaviours and expectations they find annoying, not really making a totalising statement about all men women's attraction tends to be contextual and reactive, so they mi…
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:40 AM
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I do have to defend the feminists a bit though: many of them would consider this kind of discourse a form of internalised sexism that actually indicates subtly negative views of women (they would argue that the idea that "women are pretty, men are ugly" actually reinforces patriarchal beauty standards and objectification of women). You can disagree with this if you want, certainly not trying to "convert" anyone here, my point is that facile, pithy slogans on TikTok aren't really indicative of th…
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:21 AM
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Yeah I've met multiple bisexual women who swear until they're blue in the face that women are more attractive then men, men are trash and useless, and then largely date men, including both casually and for relationships, and sometimes even almost exclusively.
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:14 AM
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I have close female friends who say strange things like this but it doesn't reflect their actual dating behaviour at all, not even minimally. Most people aren't particularly self-reflective and what they say isn't necessarily what they do or even think at a deep level.
/r/seduction28/04/26 08:13 AM
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Honestly that question is too abstract for me and not something I have really tested. All I can say is that my instant rejection rate has decreased over time despite looking more or less the same.
/r/seduction28/04/26 05:38 AM
1

178 cm, probably around a 7 (reasonably conventionally handsome but not exceptionally so), mixed ethnic background
/r/seduction28/04/26 05:36 AM
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Nice! Thank you for providing your concrete stats. My stats are actually quite similar to yours (coming up to nearly 700 approaches now over the past 8 months or so, got 3 lays that were funnily enough mostly bunched towards the early end, plus some more pulls, including one that was a pretty obvious near-miss where I just got nervous last minute). This is for running direct openers in daygame at volume, I have some experience before this but this is for the period I felt like I had actually "st…
/r/seduction27/04/26 12:52 PM
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No you're right, I don't really disagree with you, I think your advice is broadly sound and also tracks with my own experience. I'm just not sure if what you're describing can be accurately described as a "magic pill". What I mean is that there are trade-offs with each of these kinds of decisions relative to your energy levels and your overall skill level and endurance in field, or indeed whatever your actual sticking point or bottleneck is. For example, I do my best to start the session well by…
/r/seduction27/04/26 12:51 PM
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mate i have done a lot of approaches. How many? Give an exact number.
/r/seduction27/04/26 09:22 AM
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What you're suggesting is true but it isn't a "magic pill" because you have to do it consistently. Doing it once or twice is easy, doing it all the time and not having it wear you out is much more difficult. And yes I find that starting the session well makes you drag your feet less and makes for better sessions. But then there are times where you want to do more sessions per week and then it's near-impossible to start every session perfectly. There are lots of trade-offs in this stuff unfortuna…
/r/seduction27/04/26 09:20 AM
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I totally agree with you and also think you've been misinterpreted. I don't think it's helpful to think of improving flirting skill as minimising rejection, or at least in my experience it isn't. It's better to think in terms of maximising success (taking smarter risks more often), not minimising rejection, or at least that's true at my skill level, maybe later this changes. In any case what you found helped you in field in practice is what helped you in field, no amount of other people beating …
/r/seduction27/04/26 09:17 AM
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Thank you for this, probably one of the most necessary posts in this forum. Even when people correctly emphasise "doing the work", in practice they very often heavily imply that you also have to just apply perfect technique or style and that that solves essentially everything. And it can be quite discouraging to be doing the hard yards in field and then have people tell you that all you need are these easy fixes. I get decent results but I find I still only have so much direct control over inter…
/r/seduction27/04/26 09:07 AM
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Why not do both? Opportunity cost. Time, attention and energy are not infinite. my mindset is that you can always learn how ... I don't care about helping normal guys continue to be normal, I prefer to help them go beyond that. Learning fundamentals comes first.
/r/seduction11/04/26 07:54 PM
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I acknowledged your experience level I acknowledged that your anecdotes are plausible (I don't at all doubt they happened) I agreed with you on female friendships being extremely enriching I agreed with you its silly to be too proud to not accept a girl as a friend just because she's not attracted to you My only point of contention is whether what you're saying is relevant to OP's situation specifically. Yes it is possible of course for women to play matchmaker or wingman, I've also had this hap…
/r/seduction11/04/26 04:06 PM
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I 100% agree with you that it's silly to be too proud to have female friends. Having good friendships obviously enriches your life in many ways. And I appreciate you cutting against the framing of it being "lame", which I agree it isn't. But your anecdote about a female friend sending you pictures of other girls for you to hook up with is mostly not a likely outcome from befriending a random girl who rejected you from an OLD date, especially for guys who are not already good with women. I'm much…
/r/seduction11/04/26 11:45 AM
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"Real volume" means doing over 10 approaches in a session, ideally over 20.
/r/seduction11/04/26 08:04 AM
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He didn’t really describe a likely outcome, more an edge case that happened after he had done many thousands of approaches. In most cases when a girl pulls back after some escalation, it just means she’s not interested enough, and trying to convert that into friendship or something later isn’t a high-probability play. For OP it’s probably better to accept that he's been rejected and focus on meeting other women.
/r/seduction11/04/26 07:15 AM
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I'm not sure if that story is so relevant to OP's situation. He's asking about a specific lead that didn't convert, not about long-term female friend dynamics.
/r/seduction10/04/26 07:06 PM
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Volume is undeniably important, that is a basic axiom of daygame, but that doesn't mean that outcomes are fully static or monofactorial. My experience from field, and this is especially relevant with direct openers, is that delivery matters quite a lot and it only improves every 50-100 approaches.
/r/seduction10/04/26 06:23 PM
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nailed it
/r/seduction10/04/26 12:02 PM
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This is a dime a dozen in cold approach. Enthusiastic reactions do not neatly convert to dates and lays for anyone. Every phase of escalation has some level of drop-off. If you run real volume you'll get enthusiastic and highly flattered reactions pretty much every time you go out.
/r/seduction10/04/26 11:22 AM
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I assume you compliment everyone when you meet them Is it your view that to "be yourself" you need to treat every person the same way no matter the context? Most people who approach women are NOT like that, and thus don’t own it In my experience "owning it" is a learning process and comes with time. When you start out there's no way around having slightly awkward delivery to start. Or did you have amazing delivery in your first 100-200 approaches?
/r/seduction09/04/26 10:05 PM
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I do direct openers in Germany (also always opening in German) and I do just fine. I myself tried a lot approaching women on the street How many is a lot? What exactly do you mean by "worked phenomenally bad"? You got a disproportionate number of mean or dismissive blowouts (which suggests there is something wrong with your presentation) or you just met a lot of women who didn't end up sleeping with you (which is normal and happens everywhere to everyone)? This is super important because with di…
/r/seduction09/04/26 09:25 PM
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In that case the opener doesn't matter, contradicting your previous advice. What if "being yourself" means being direct and giving compliments?
/r/seduction09/04/26 09:19 PM
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Thanks for admitting that multiple of your claims across your two posts were lies. Now on to your point — yes daygame takes a lot of effort especially while you're learning and success rates are always low even when you're good. If this is a problem for you definitely should definitely dedicate your time to something else.
/r/seduction09/04/26 12:36 PM
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Any level of success requires a lot of volume when it comes to cold approach and you're unlikely to live somewhere where 1) where you have every "race" in high abundance and where you're approaching them all at similar rates and 2) where "race" doesn't on average intersect with class and subcultural signals. So you're unlikely to be able to test which "race" is the best in any reliable way. Perhaps this is possible in some cities but certainly not where I live. Not to mention the fact that "open…
/r/seduction09/04/26 11:25 AM
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Let me just summarise the claims you've made across the two threads you've posted in this subreddit: you approach below average women you almost exclusively approach Chinese and Korean international students these are essentially the only women that exist where you live because you are in "central district of Metropolitan" you have done 100 approaches in a month you have great game and would get laid if you could get dates you never get lays or dates you never get attention from women you very o…
/r/seduction09/04/26 11:10 AM
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You didn't really respond to anything I said.
/r/seduction09/04/26 10:47 AM
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I don't find it really makes any difference either way.
/r/seduction09/04/26 07:32 AM
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You're saying totally contradictory things. my game is very good. if i get dates i ll score. so skill is not a issue. these girls are happy to spend time with me on friendly basis and like my flirting Never had any attention from women. You claim that you get laid from dates, but also that you have never got any attention from women, and also that women give you positive attention and "enjoy" your flirting? Which is it?
/r/seduction09/04/26 07:30 AM
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You've said two different things. In your OP: or barely got any dates at all. In the above comment: i don’t get dates There is a huge difference between "none" and "barely at all". How many dates did you get over 100 approaches?
/r/seduction09/04/26 07:27 AM
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OP is saying that, but it's not what the guy I responded to is saying. He is a "looks only" extremist who thinks that no other factor matters almost at all and that there is absolutely no skill involved in actually getting girls who are attracted to you in bed.
/r/seduction07/04/26 10:15 AM
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streets with lots of shops on them department stores and certain shops like Zara shopping centres (malls) certain drugstores and grocery stores streets and squares in trendy neighbourhoods with nice cafés and restaurants major intersections and public transport
/r/seduction07/04/26 10:02 AM
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You're rationalising your approach anxiety.
/r/seduction06/04/26 03:32 PM
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Do you have anything else to say? Essentially every single one of your comments is a variation on this theme. I see you across dozens and dozens of threads, and you have been doing this for months if not years. And the thing is, even if you're right to say that pickup artists underemphasise looks, that doesn't mean that your particular level of emphasis on looks is the exact correct one. Maybe both you and pickup artists are wrong in different ways or to different degrees! What if seduction and …
/r/seduction06/04/26 02:34 PM
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I have no idea what "main Central District of Metropolitan" means.
/r/seduction03/04/26 12:23 PM
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You can go for the pull after the first drink
/r/seduction03/04/26 06:15 AM
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God thank you for contributing some sanity
/r/seduction02/04/26 09:38 AM
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I'm not saying that looks and height don't matter. I am saying that self-declared preferences do not reliably map to actual behaviours and outcomes. I am also not saying that surveys have no utility at all. I am saying that you can't use a single self-reported survey to "disprove" a claim. That is not comparable to the engineering that goes into building an engine, there you are running experiments that are much easier to properly falsify. Also simply declaring that something is "self-evident" i…
/r/seduction02/04/26 09:00 AM
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Also you need to be serious about what your goal is. Wanting a relationship and wanting "options" are totally different projects. Most guys end up in relationships of some sort whereas getting consistently laid is much harder and requires much more specific behaviours and attitudes. But that really depends on what you mean by having "options", maybe I've misinterpreted you.
/r/seduction02/04/26 07:01 AM
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never pursue a woman seriously without examining her social media first. Those profiles are massive indicators of what you're in for. Nah social media is annoying, I avoid that shit completely. the biggest myth about modern dating is that it's hard to succeed, but what a lot of guys do is put restrictions on themselves Depends on what you mean by "succeed". Getting some kind of girlfriend at some point isn't too hard, cultivating a high amount of options with girls that are your type is much har…
/r/seduction02/04/26 06:47 AM
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So wait you always invite them over on the first date, but then they come over 80% of the time on the third date, but also you've "only" gotten 6 new lays in three months from inviting girls over on the first date?
/r/seduction02/04/26 06:38 AM
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No I don't put much stock in pickup artists or self-reported surveys, neither are reliable.
/r/seduction02/04/26 06:25 AM
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"Plenty" is not a number, and you didn't answer my other question.
/r/seduction01/04/26 06:48 PM
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Yes targeting tourists and certain kinds of exchange students is less risky because you will get less rejections upfront but you'll likely end up spinning your wheels a lot, as you've identified. Learn to go for the girls you're interested in rather tham going after "easy targets" — nothing wrong with this sort of thing as training wheels but ultimately you should aim to outgrow it.
/r/seduction01/04/26 05:17 PM
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I have plenty of reasons to put your example in a SCI-FI category because a lot of things just don't add up... How many approaches have you done and how many times have you gone for the pull early on on the first or second date? Has it ever happened to you? You introduce your new girlfriend to a friend, only to find out they already know each other and later, your friend tells you he’s actually banged her himself, or one of his buddies has No this has never happened to me but if it did I would f…
/r/seduction01/04/26 05:15 PM
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seduction is the only subreddit where someone can brag about drawing hearts on pieces of paper as a literal child and get 30 upvotes lmao
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:57 PM
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In my experience cafés are mostly a waste of time. The volume is too low and there's only so many days you're going to go to a café. The flake rate from numbers got from cafés is also similar to other daygame venues that have better volume. Of course if you're already at a café and see a girl you like then there's no reason not to go for it but it's definitely not going to be a big part of a serious funnel.
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:23 PM
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You can't reliably deduce actual dating behaviour from self-reported surveys
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:21 PM
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Beach and mall should be enough to get 20-30 approaches in. Why do you need more venues? But to answer your question: anywhere with good volume is good. The key is to just go out and do it. If your problem is approach anxiety then you need to focus on that, not finding the perfect venue.
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:16 PM
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I met the last woman I slept with at a department store, she had a fairly normal semi- elegant winter look (nice coat etc.). She doesn't smoke or drink and hasn't been partying for years. She came over a little over an hour or so into the first date. What "kind" of woman is she? Can you tell me what makes her "low" quality in a way that doesn't use circular reasoning? Otherwise, in 2-3 days, you'll get a bonus like chlamydia My brother in Christ have you heard of condoms? And just because a woma…
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:12 PM
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I see the crab in the bucket brigade is already here. No, this is not true at all. Hell, even OP disproves this since he's getting some lays.
/r/seduction01/04/26 04:02 PM
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You said years but how many approaches and how many dates does that correspond to? Even if you're getting good you'll still get lots of dud dates. Also how quickly do you go for the pull? In my experience it's better to "burn" low likelihood leads rather than going on second and third dates that lead nowhere and where even there they do the whole "not tonight mister" routine I spent years dabbling in daygame in stupid ways and my results radically changed once I started actually doing direct ope…
/r/seduction01/04/26 03:57 PM
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