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Why do women think they should feel welcome? Now, what you're really asking is "Why do outspoken feminists feel they should be welcome?", isn't it? As long as they've come for discourse, anyone with any interest in gender politics should be welcomed here. Differing viewpoints answered thoughtfully only strengthen any discussion and have potential to educate all involved. Otherwise, what you'll have is a smug, obnoxious echo chamber, r/Atheism-style.
/r/MensRights14/04/11 01:15 PM
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Whoa, buddy. I wasn't actually picking on atheism (or liberalism, collectivism or antidisestablishmentarianism for that matter), merely illustrating how meaningless is it to childishly make unfounded statements just because you don't like a certain form of advocacy.
/r/MensRights21/02/11 10:42 AM
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Atheism is a mob mentality based on politics. Liberalism is a mob mentality based on politics. Collectivism is a mob mentality based on politics. Antidisestablishmentarianism is a mob mentality based on politics.
/r/MensRights19/02/11 10:54 PM
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feminists don't actually Someone who calls themselves a feminist might, but they'd be the equivalent of the so-called MRA who makes just the sort of post that OP is speaking out against. Poorly behaved and informed individuals are be found in every form of advocacy.
/r/MensRights19/02/11 09:13 AM
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That is some weak justification.
/r/MensRights19/02/11 09:06 AM
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An inference that female internet users must be ugly because they are "offended by the attention of the opposite sex" (read: you've misunderstood the topic of the Male Gaze). Stay classy, Ma99ie.
/r/MensRights05/01/11 12:41 PM
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one of the women asked him to do, and he did not. And if she said "stop", that'd her be withdrawing her consent. If he kept going, that's technically sexual assault. Now, how clearly or seriously she communicated her wishes is unknown, but that's to be determined in a court of law not for the internet justice mob to decide.
/r/MensRights07/12/10 04:35 PM
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should be a clear indication sounds like I totally get the discussion you want to have, but there have got to be so many articles with actual content that would actually foster such discussion. Perhaps something scholarly that cites studies about custody cases as they pertain to the rights of the father. This article has none of that, and at best is empty. At worst, this post comes off as a cheap opportunity to get some misogynistic laughs in at this stupid woman.
/r/MensRights16/11/10 11:08 PM
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She and her husband were celebrating because the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services had dropped an investigation into her son's safety. [emphasis mine] Though the article is too brief to be entirely clear on the subject, it sounds like the husband was just as unfit a parent as the mother. At any rate, the safety of the child had been in question previously, so it's unsurprising the child would be taken. I've been reading about these sorts of negligent mother cases for years I'll…
/r/MensRights16/11/10 09:49 AM
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This is posted in MensRights because...?
/r/MensRights14/11/10 10:14 AM
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Yes, if you use the reddit Enhancement Suite. Amongst other useful things, it puts a "Use Subreddit Style" checkbox right under the subreddit title in the sidebar. edit: hmm. Apparently the header graphic is not part of the custom style.
/r/MensRights02/11/10 11:20 AM
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sport I thought we were talking about poker?
/r/MensRights25/10/10 04:56 PM
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Rad! Go add a line to article with that citation, in a polite fashion as I've suggested, and let's try to get that knowledge out there.
/r/MensRights07/10/10 01:09 PM
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Who, exactly, will welcome it? I assume the wikipedia community, as there are policies against editorializing. I understand that a user-generated system is prone to bias, but well cited, fairly worded content tends to (eventually) stick as far as I've seen. aside from that small group of people who've actually looked into the issue and don't have a politicized agenda If you want this sort of knowledge to spread beyond this small group you're referencing this is exactly the venue to do so.
/r/MensRights07/10/10 01:07 PM
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the overwhelming majority of research data to date There's nothing incorrect about this statement. As I'm sure we're all aware, the gender roles prescribed to men prohibited research into rates of males as abuse victims, so the overwhelming majority of research has focused on women. If someone would like to add a well-cited "Recent studies has also shown..." type statement, I'm sure it would be welcomed.
/r/MensRights07/10/10 11:56 AM
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There's still immense progress to be made Yes, there is. You don't make any progress, however, by bitterly making enemies at every turn.
/r/MensRights25/09/10 09:27 AM
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Rise above, yo.
/r/MensRights23/07/10 04:50 AM
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Perhaps when discussing bad people as a problem, one shouldn't point fingers or call names.
/r/MensRights23/07/10 04:16 AM
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They are radical. I'ma take that in the Ninja Turtles sense, so thanks, dude!
/r/MensRights22/07/10 06:16 AM
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Try again. Right thing to do: Be the bigger person and walk away, just like OP did.
/r/MensRights29/06/10 11:41 PM
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Or at least the media attention to highlight how ridiculous mandatory sentencing is, especially in regards to questionably labeled sex offenses.
/r/MensRights29/06/10 08:22 PM
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"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute." Well, no one likes activist judges right? Hard to blame the court for enforcing the legislation they're given.
/r/MensRights29/06/10 04:51 PM
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Why should she get even half? What she should get is nothing. But, if Tiger wants to give up a fortune to make her go away, that's his prerogative. I'm just saying that he'll probably still be living pretty comfortably.
/r/MensRights29/06/10 08:30 AM
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Tiger Woods apparently "earns" $85 million dollars a year, and has a net worth of around $900 million. Even if that is most of his money, I'll bet he can live comfortably on the $150 million he'll have left. I mean, yeah, I see that this is emblematic of a poor system, but I don't exactly feel sorry for the guy, you know?
/r/MensRights29/06/10 06:56 AM
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Apparently this announcement scared off a few, counter says 8997 readers at the moment.
/r/MensRights23/06/10 10:36 AM
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Yeah great, problem is that at least 8000 of those are parrots!
/r/MensRights23/06/10 10:35 AM
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false profits Really, that's an issue for the SEC, isn't it?
/r/MensRights17/06/10 05:03 AM
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The sheriff, advocacy agencies, et cetera of course deserve to pay dearly, but I don't know that I would sue the parents if I were her. The parents who may have coached false accusations out of their kids, to me, are another story, because in another way they are also victims of the fear-mongering culture we live in and were only trying to protect their children in a misguided way.
/r/MensRights17/06/10 05:02 AM
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an obvious auto-hagiograpy Well, at least the author was able to start a second paragraph before his obvious bias began to show. yet another Princesses dream of being the center of attention in a grand ceremony of over-indulged fluff. And it was almost halfway through before the writing got so ridiculous I had to stop reading. Why does the author feel the need to twist everything around and make it her fault? Seems to me that they both decided to get married and then made many more choices as th…
/r/MensRights14/06/10 11:39 PM
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There's only a couple of comments and no one is praising this ruling. You know, you're right. An upvote doesn't necessarily mean you like what the article has to say, but rather that you'd like others to be aware of the content. My comment was based upon an assumption of the general tone of this subreddit, but perhaps I ought to be more optimistic. Thanks.
/r/MensRights14/06/10 11:12 PM
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Exactly. If this were a woman receiving this sort of payment from a man you'd see her here called a leech and much worse. Upvotes for this article reek of hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights14/06/10 10:50 PM
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That's what the report button is for, yo. Downvoting is kind of redundant if you're going to report something as spam.
/r/MensRights26/05/10 01:12 PM
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If you don't like what someone said, feel free to downvote them. ಠ_ಠ That is not how reddiquette is supposed to work.
/r/MensRights26/05/10 10:03 AM
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Check your hypocrisy meter before posting comments deriding this woman: had it been a man who paid a woman's way for months and was refusing to return a single (absurdly) costly gift until paid back, you might be cheering for him.
/r/MensRights17/05/10 10:54 PM
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Unless that rate drops to zero, there's always more that could be done, right? Anyway, this sort of thing isn't about stopping actual rapes (even though that's the stated objective), it's about women feeling empowered to be out at night, not afraid of being raped. I think we can all agree that everyone should be able to go out at night and feel safe.
/r/MensRights27/04/10 11:54 AM
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Not that a brief mention of suicide rates in an article about abuse does anything to establish a connection. Saying that two things happen and then setting them beside each other does not a valid connection make.
/r/MensRights27/04/10 11:41 AM
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An explanation isn't the same as an excuse. If behavior can't be explained, how would you expect it to be corrected?
/r/MensRights27/04/10 11:38 AM
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Yeah, and she went on to tell her story in front of a cheering crowd on Oprah. I believe that the crowd on Oprah cheered for the fact that Lorena was able to get out of a mutually abusive relationship, move on with her life, and has even gone on to start an organization of help fellow victims of domestic violence. The term "Bobbitisation" is pretty problematic as it is used to describe a trend of increased female on male domestic violence without any discussion of the reciprocity of abuse inhere…
/r/MensRights27/04/10 11:37 AM
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So, if there were more of a perceived market of male readers we could have more autobiographies of wrestlers and compilations of sports humor? Great.
/r/MensRights27/04/10 10:57 AM
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That makes it sounds a lot more conspiratorial than it really seems to be. A non-trivial majority of publishers are women, many of whom don't perceive a strong male audience, and therefore fewer books targeting a male audience are published as per the supposition that such books would be less profitable than books targeting a larger female audience. While you're right about this causing the stereotype of "Men don't read" to be perpetuated, I think the cause is more capitalistic than anything els…
/r/MensRights27/04/10 10:53 AM
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Yeah, I don't think it was some misplaced sense of propriety that kept this guy from getting stomped to death by two women, but rather that a man had beat him nearly unconscious just beforehand.
/r/MensRights22/04/10 01:56 AM
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Did you miss the part where she testified for the state against other members of the cult? Of course the state views her sympathetically, she helped them out.
/r/MensRights22/04/10 01:33 AM
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Until I realized the third hole must be the mouth, I was wondering what sort of crazy anatomy and or sexual techniques you've got going over there in the UK.
/r/MensRights20/04/10 04:03 AM
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It was a dick move on the part of the people who raised the issue because they did it to be vindictive rather than to be fair, because they were pissy about how much funding the programs they were affiliated with got. I would rather have seen the usage of the shuttle studied and evaluated, with an angle as to how it could help men as well, rather than plainly shut down.
/r/MensRights16/04/10 11:18 PM
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If the school, public or private, receives any sort of federal funding it probably falls under Title IX. Be careful invoking this sort of thing, though. The obnoxious Libertarians at my school got the Assault Prevention Shuttle defunded because they catered to women only by pointing to Title IX. It doesn't seem like it should cause trouble at a gym, but at my school it meant that since there wasn't money for a separate shuttle for men only that the shuttle for women had to be cancelled altogethe…
/r/MensRights16/04/10 04:35 AM
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I hope the program that's opening is more thoughtful and less arbitrarily oppositional than this article. You'll see the same tendency in reports of coal mine disasters: "Miners" are trapped, "rescuers" race against time, "families" All the labels used here are more descriptive than just saying "Men". "Miners" are trapped in a mine, if it said "men" one might wonder if they were workers in an active mine or just some dudes who wandered into an abandoned mine or what? "Rescuers" are attempting re…
/r/MensRights15/04/10 04:56 AM
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Ugh. The title of this post made me think this less a celebratory moment for MensRights but rather the glorification of a sad situation for the child. This line made me think we were making fun of a retarded woman. The whole thing seems more sad than anything.
/r/MensRights13/04/10 03:25 AM
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Did your troop also have male leaders? My troop had mainly male leaders, but one woman as well (who became involved at a higher, district level and only came to weekly troop meetings once in a while after her sons had finished).
/r/MensRights13/04/10 03:15 AM
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Good points about Bayonetta, I hope that a lot of the gaming crowd is able to take away what a strong, capable character she is, as you clearly have, and not just stop at HURR DURR TITTIES. I think you're also making really good points about overanalyzing and over criticizing sexual objectification. As long as things don't get too out of hand, there really shouldn't be a problem with seeing others as the sexual beings that they (at least in part) are.
/r/MensRights13/04/10 03:00 AM
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don't go back unless she's willing to get professional help. I think that would be cautiously sound, if optimistic advice in any case. Without help, habitual abusers are unlikely to ever stop, regardless of gender, but if they get that help then maybe their is hope. Every case is unique, right? The standard for women who've been abused by men is to never return as the violence will never stop, apparently. The problem is, too many people go back into abusive relationships even when the abuser has…
/r/MensRights11/04/10 12:33 AM
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And calling someone a faggot in a game is to show their inadequacy or inferiority, not necessarily to call them homosexual. As I said, both are commonplace, neither are defensible.
/r/MensRights11/04/10 12:25 AM
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Half Life is an example of really good characters, especially a strong, not-stupidly-sexualized female main character in Alyx Vance (Gary's Mod shenanigans notwithstanding). Valve generally do well in this aspect (as they do in most, except releasing things on time and not being fat), Zoey of Left 4 Dead and Chelle of Portal are other good, if underdeveloped, female characters. To "rape" someone in a game Refer back to the "gay" argument made right after that. Using a word incorrectly doesn't ma…
/r/MensRights11/04/10 12:18 AM
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(an example would be interesting here) Really, I'm not talking about characters in the same game, but rather the way male and female characters are portrayed generally. Think Marcus Fenix vs Bayonetta. Both are exaggerated and objectified characters, but only the female example is sexualized. Very Good point about fighting games, though. Also, I suppose an example from Halo could be Master Chief vs Cortana? Why does an AI even need to have titties?
/r/MensRights11/04/10 12:16 AM
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The distinction I was trying to make is that there is a difference between being male and being a man. One is genetics, the other is self-identity. As far as when I meet someone, I tend not to worry about whether they are male or female, but rather focus on whether the identify and present themselves as a man or a woman (or both, or neither, or whatever their deal is). As an anecdote, I am a male who identifies as a man (or man-child, anyway). A friend of mine is a male who neither fully identif…
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:57 PM
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Well, that's why I generally rely on the latter.
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:29 PM
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Aside from the fact that the domestic violence has taken place, this is pretty much the ideal situation. The man was not afraid to ask for help, and the columnist was knowledgeable and sympathetic to his plight. I was expecting another example of a man being told that he can't possibly be the victim, DV only happens to women, et cetera. Basically, I was all set to FFFFUUUUUU but then everything went better than expected.
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:27 PM
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All the gamer ladies! (all the gamer ladies!) All the gamer ladies! (all the gamer ladies!) All the gamer ladies! (all the gamer ladies!)
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:22 PM
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I've never been to a women's studies lecture, but it would be interesting to have them read and respond to something like this as an assignment... I have, and indeed this sort of assignment is not uncommon! If you'd like that sort of response, I suppose I am equipped to provide. While its heart is in the right place, there are certainly some nits to pick with the article. Yes, both men and women are objectified in gaming, however men are not generally as sexualized. Whereas the standard 'roided …
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:18 PM
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Btw... just so you know, nothing personal, but... "I don't recognize them as men" probably would go over very poorly with most trans men. This stems from the conflation of gender and sex. Would I recognize a trans man as the biological construct male? Certainly not, that would be silly. Would I recognize a trans man as the societal construct of man? Of course, since I seek to respect people no matter how they identify.
/r/MensRights10/04/10 09:00 PM
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why don't you visit my blog http://www.theantifeminist.com/the-sexual-trade-union/ and you'll find numerous arguments. This entry starts out by conflating the legislation of Victorian prudishness with feminism, but whatever. The history of women as political activists isn't necessarily the history of feminism. The bit about the darwinist computer and the pregnant monkey is really incoherent. I seriously tried to sum it up more articulately than the preceding sentence, but I can't really make hea…
/r/MensRights10/04/10 08:44 PM
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Feminism is his catch-all boogey-man, therefore if you say something he doesn't like, you're a feminist.
/r/MensRights10/04/10 08:04 PM
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The feminist inflation of the word 'paedophiia' has probably criminilized more men around the world than every other piece of feminist legislation combined. Feminism isn't some boogey-man you can blame all the world's problems on, so unless you're going to produce some literature that backs up any part of that ridiculous statement perhaps you'd better not say things that make you sound hateful and misinformed.
/r/MensRights08/04/10 11:09 PM
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I hoping to lure someone out to correct my terminology, didn't expect to get the man himself. Damn you technically non-pedos!
/r/MensRights07/04/10 08:42 PM
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Every time I'm certain that violentacrez is just a very dedicated troll, I see him making a cogent comment in a thread unrelated to pedophilia or rape and then I'm not so sure.
/r/MensRights06/04/10 02:03 AM
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They claimed they were victims of violence, turns out they initiate most of it. but, from the article: [T]heir analyses demonstrate that men and women exhibit roughly equal rates of violence within relationships; some studies hint that women's rates of physical aggression are slightly higher emphasis mine, of course. additionally: Domestic violence is a crime, not a political football, and we should be working together to stamp it out, not allowing it to divide us. ಠ_ಠ
/r/MensRights06/04/10 01:51 AM
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Mang, if recognizing proper dictionary definitions is feminist, count in most of the lexical sticklers here on reddit, I guess. Better count the grammar nazis as well, just to be safe.
/r/MensRights23/03/10 08:59 PM
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In ordinary speech, it is used interchangeably with "sex" to denote the condition of being male or female. In the social sciences, however, it refers specifically to socially constructed and institutionalized differences such as gender roles. Wikipedia's article on Gender Additionally, many sources (all that I checked before posting) emphasize this difference. An interesting note from the Oxford American Dictionary (sadly, not available online, but is in the Dashboard on my Mac) is that the term…
/r/MensRights23/03/10 10:01 AM
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Your movement is pro woman and anti man. While it is true that feminism is by design a pro woman movement, this does not that it is anti man. Certainly you can be for something without being against others. For instance, I have a certain pride in my hometown, this does not mean that I am against other towns. It isn't Egalitarianism, it is feminism. Feminism is an approach towards an egalitarian society that starts with the supposition that women have traditionally held a lower station in society…
/r/MensRights23/03/10 08:35 AM
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Do I think that (the vast majority of) MRAs are rape apologists? No, of course not. Have I heard the whole movement described as such? Certainly. The straw men aren't mine, I'm only saying I've seen them used. It is for reals that there are those out there that think that poorly of the whole movement because of a few bad apples.
/r/MensRights23/03/10 08:15 AM
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He is discussing how the fundamental difference of being born XY or XX affects a child's ability to learn and develop. Yes, and as such the places where he uses the terms "sex difference" are correct, whereas when he uses "gender difference" are not. The two have different definitions and are therefore not interchangeable, and such sloppy vocabulary, in my mind, calls into question the validity of the whole book.
/r/MensRights23/03/10 08:10 AM
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Not formally legally accused, mind, but I once was. Very early on in college, like the second week of school, I dated a girl from the floor below. She had very little experience with anything physical at all, so a lot of things we did were her first time. Turned out, she was really annoying and I couldn't stand to be around her, so I broke up with her. Shortly thereafter a whole group of girls surrounding the girl I'd dated knock on my door, and as she steps in to speak with me one of the girls …
/r/MensRights23/03/10 08:05 AM
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hardwired gender differences Hard to trust a supposedly scientific source that can't even get the separation of biologic and societal influences. Sex is entirely biology, Gender is a social construct about how we are taught act based on and influenced by our sex. To be male is (in simplistic terms) to have a penis, to be a man is to adhere to the societal understanding of what it means to be a man. Now, I would agree that differences in biology have been ignored in recent years, and that raising…
/r/MensRights23/03/10 07:12 AM
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The fact remains that talking in harsh absolutes makes you look like an asshole, and fuels the negative image that the outside world largely holds of Mens Rights as a movement. The proper way to counter arguments is with logic, tact, and diplomacy, not out-of-hand name-calling such as your reference to feminism as a whole as a "hate movement". If you label others as belonging to a hate movement, it only reinforces negative stereotypes about your own movement and makes the legitimate issues and p…
/r/MensRights20/03/10 02:10 AM
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If a woman cares about equality, she should not associate herself with a hate movement Oops! You've dismissed a whole movement based around flimsy suppositions and now you look like an unreasonable asshole! Seriously though, if you can't take the time to take a serious look at something and give it a fair shake, don't expect anyone to regard Mens Rights as anything but a bunch woman-hating rape apologists. If you can pigeon-hole an entire movement so can everyone else, and talk like this doesn't…
/r/MensRights20/03/10 01:10 AM
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No, sadly her British accent was fake.
/r/MensRights13/03/10 09:21 PM
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You know what might be HARMING THE 3-YEAR-OLD? Ridiculous and completely unnecessary media attention.
/r/MensRights03/03/10 08:52 PM
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You don't have to like or agree with her, you can call her whatever names you want. But how does such name calling and childish sentiment such as cry saydrah cry help Mens Rights look like a serious movement with valid points on real issues? It does not, it makes it (and all of us!) look like a bunch of bitter, misogynist bullshit, which is already a view that many have of the movement. We should be doing everything we can to rise above shit like this, to dispel negative stereotypes rather than …
/r/MensRights01/03/10 07:13 PM
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If typicalredditer isn't a troll, then I'm a bit sad for how embittered he seems to be.
/r/MensRights01/03/10 09:19 AM
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Maybe she is frontin' on feminism. Personally, I don't think so, but it could be. Even if she were, what does that have to do with Mens Rights? was the question, and the answer is still nothing.
/r/MensRights01/03/10 09:12 AM
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I've been dating a somewhat old-fashioned girl. I had to explain a while back that things like holding a door isn't something a man should do for a woman, but something a considerate person should do for another person, regardless of gender.
/r/MensRights01/03/10 02:19 AM
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It only relates insofar as the false supposition that feminism is aligned against Mens Rights. So, not at all, really.
/r/MensRights01/03/10 02:14 AM
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we just feel stuff more I don't buy that women feel any more than men do. Women are taught to externalize and dwell upon their feelings whereas men are taught to internalize and ignore their feelings. Women probably suffer more visibly from mental health issues, because it is societally more okay for them to express such issues than it is for men.
/r/MensRights09/02/10 02:54 PM
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The media uses the term "Sex Trafficking" even though she was a willing participant. The teevee news sensationalized a headline?! Oh noes! She is treated as "innocent" while the man is the scum of the earth. Even if no crime was committed, as the police said, a pimp scamming an 18 year old who is legally an adult but maturity-wise almost certainly very much a child (something I'd certainly apply to an 18 year old boy as well, if you were wondering) is pretty skeezy. Sure, this type of reporting …
/r/MensRights09/02/10 02:40 PM
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I was a bit dismayed by the naivety visible in her question, “Where were the men’s organizations demanding attention to these issues [of male reproductive health] and regulatory action by the state…?” If someone is writing an entire book about male reproductive health, they're probably pretty well aware of the state of advocacy for such issues. I don't see this as naiveté, but rather a call to action. Such a book (written by a self-avowed feminist, no less) will, I think, get a wider audience to…
/r/MensRights09/02/10 02:11 PM
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If the car you want to drive is a stupid fucking new Charger you're an idiot who's cowed into things anyway, may as let the wife do it to you as well.
/r/MensRights09/02/10 01:39 PM
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Like many MRAs do for feminists? This street goes both ways.
/r/MensRights09/02/10 12:24 PM
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I suppose you could look at it that way, but I don't think that this even approaches a clear cut example of a call for downvotes. Another way to look at it might be that they wanted to draw attention to the discussion, add more voices, and enrich the debate. Cross-posting a discussion to another subreddit is a pretty good way to attract those you'd like to join the discussion; I see these sort of posts on r/MensRights all the time, would you categorize such posts as the same sort of rally call o…
/r/MensRights02/02/10 05:31 PM
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I doubt the courses are actually like that at all Now, I suppose I can't speak for Canadian universities, as I went to school in Oregon, but my experience of Women and Gender Studies courses were that they were nothing like what the article describes. Perhaps the authors should learn something about the courses they decry, rather than using the most extreme end to label an entire philosophy.
/r/MensRights02/02/10 01:39 PM
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Perhaps if there were some content here there would be something to comment on other than the lack of content. hmm.
/r/MensRights02/02/10 01:20 PM
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Welcome to TwoXChromosomes, the subreddit for female-oriented discussions both serious and silly. Emphasis mine, of course. It would seem that since this was a female-oriented post from a low-traffic subreddit, there was every reason to repost it to TwoXChromosomes, where the comments are mostly lauding a good poop joke as the cornerstone of comedy it is. Every post gets a certain amount of downvotes, who's to say that the downvotes didn't come from subscribers of the FFFUUUUUUUU subreddit? So, …
/r/MensRights02/02/10 01:06 PM
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express your feelings, write them down, trust them, affirm them, discuss them in groups, put them in a journal, confront people with them This is excellent advice for anyone, male or female, if they'd like to have a firm grasp on their emotions and be able to exercise self-control. Much better than how boys are taught to ignore their feelings, push them away, because it's not masculine to ever be emotional. Or, you know, you could just become an embittered asshole who authors misogynistic screed…
/r/MensRights01/02/10 06:52 AM
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Who is actually dating these unreasonable women? If you get yourself involved with someone like that, then you deserve it. If you think all women are like that, well, I don't know what. As an aside, why not link to the original article? I know that the blog gives credit to the original author, but isn't this borderline blogspam?
/r/MensRights06/01/10 09:27 AM
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Few courses satisfied both Social Science and Multicultural general education requirements and seemed like they might be interesting. I think perhaps the Women Studies courses were more valuable in a practical sense than the Native American Folklore one would have ever been.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 07:20 PM
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I'll agree with that. Perhaps there could be a term that didn't look like childish name-calling, though?
/r/MensRights17/11/09 04:09 PM
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This is the first time I heard that she popularized that saying I don't blame you if you shut out all her bullshit, but I think most would recognize the phrase as becoming popular when she got the crowd to chant it at the RNC. Didn't McCain's slogan also have change in it? Indeed. Change is a pretty common political term. However, it would be hard to hear Hope in a political context without thinking of Obama. I don't think it should be used as an insult I would think it hard to make a serious ca…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 04:02 PM
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I think things are getting better around here, indeed the level of thoughtful discussion received in this thread is evidence of that. However, I think you could see how an outsider might still get a negative view and be dissuaded from looking deeper. As I'm a college educated Feminist, I'm probably more sensitive to perceived misogyny than most (though, as it turns out from many real life discussion, clearly not as far up my own ass about it as some I know). Additionally, as someone educated in …
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:54 PM
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Well put, sir. If someone is beyond reasoning with it is downright retarded to expend effort trying. However, I still submit that by using such ugly terms at all, we may be turning off potential allies and those we wish to engage most.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:50 PM
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The term Nazi is so easily thrown around these days it's lost much of it's bite. Indeed, many redditors revel in the term Grammar Nazi. When I hear Feminazi, I think Limbaugh, not Hitler.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:48 PM
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unless you are saying the same thing as me I was referring to MRAs, but there is certainly embitterment and misinformation on both sides. However, given the popularity, success and longevity of Feminism as a whole, I would submit that they can afford more negativity than a smaller and newer can. What I can't stand is when one person's "rights" become more important and infringe upon another person's. I agree with everything you've said in this paragraph. However, I might hazard to guess that it …
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:46 PM
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Why would someone link you to Sarah Palin? Because I used a term popularized by and easily recognizable as originating from her. Are you telling me that every time I ask for "change" in quarters, people link me to Obama? Don't be silly. If you're asking for change in terms of money, well, that's a colloquialism that's been around forever. But if you were to use term Change in terms of political rhetoric, well then it would be perfectly understandable to link you to Obama. The term Feminazi comes…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:32 PM
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Oh no, of course to someone involved in the movement you are correct. However, I believe that to the casual outside observer my description is right on the money. Step outside yourself and take a look at the headlines 'round these parts, how many could be construed as having a misogynist or anti-feminist slant?
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:27 PM
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Well, that's what I get for replying too quickly, before you've a chance to complete your thought (and your edit). I would say that name calling is lazy and derisive, and when I discuss what I consider to be serious matters I desire to be taken seriously. I think we'll all agree that Mens Rights deals with very serious matters. Additionally, feminazi is such an ugly term and, as I'm trying to draw attention to, popularized by the most popular of far-right douchebags, that I 'd rather not be seen…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:22 PM
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Thank you. Additionally, I didn't mean to exclude anyone from the conversation. I just tend to write with the formality of some sort of neovictorian prick. My apologies, miss.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:08 PM
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Indeed, but it does prevent me from calling names and appearing a hostile douche who is not worth communicating with.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:04 PM
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what about all of the false use of MRA and what that stands for? Take a look around, sir. While Mens Rights in general and r/MensRights in particular have many good and important things to say, it is largely drowning in a sea of angry, misinformed misogyny. While those of us who have looked deeper are aware of the true issues at the core of the movement, it is easy for the casual observer to see only the negative aspects (as many who rail against feminism from their embittered and largely misinf…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 03:02 PM
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Having taken several Women Studies courses in school I'm probably more educated on the history of feminist theory than most, so I've come to understand that even the most radical of viewpoints have a history and rationale and can be understood (if not accepted) in context. As I said though, this makes me an outlier. So, I suppose I can't blame most people for dismissing such viewpoints out of hand, but does it actually justify name calling? I submit that while it is tempting to do so, calling na…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 02:55 PM
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I believe that people should be informed about the associations of the terms they employ, as such associations may color their statements in the minds of viewers. It's not like I could say "Drill, baby, drill!" without anyone linking me to Sarah Palin, right?
/r/MensRights17/11/09 01:54 PM
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I believe that there is nothing to be gained in name calling. It can only lower the tone of discourse and cause the Mens Rights movement to be more easily dismissed, which is a damn shame because behind all the (perceived) anti-feminism and misogyny there are important issues that deserve attention and wide discussion. Diplomacy, gentlemen, please.
/r/MensRights17/11/09 01:42 PM
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Books by strong women in politics like Sarah Palin will probably not be featured. This bit was the most telling, and really threw the rest of piece into focus. I was kind of wondering where I'd seen that style of spouting some sort of plausible sounding yet completely un-researched and entirely too brief bullshit and then using it too justify an overly strong statement, and there you go, half-wit republican morons like Palin use just that tactic to lather up their screaming retard supporters. Is…
/r/MensRights17/11/09 06:03 AM
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Every time you use the word feminazi you are parroting Rush Limbaugh. Is this an association you intend?
/r/MensRights16/11/09 05:43 AM
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Punchline in title, et cetera.
/r/MensRights02/11/09 05:52 AM
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While I don't dispute that white females receive a disproportionate amount of attention in many circumstances, I don't feel that this article really qualifies as an example as on the whole is was very gender balanced and was clearly about runaway youths as a whole, not particularly highlighting any case for any reason other than anecdotal purposes. Indeed, if we are, as you say, "hardwired" to care more about young white females, then I submit that the author has cleverly tapped into that compul…
/r/MensRights27/10/09 06:54 PM
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Well, when MRAs talk about feminists in such a manner 'round these parts, I do tend to complain, so turnabout is fair play. I think the main issue is that many MRAs are nearly completely uneducated as to what feminism actually is, and in their ignorance they use feminism variously as a straw (wo)man, scapegoat, or punching bag. As long as the most visible arm of the Mens' Rights movement is ignorant anti-feminism the world at large can safely ignore the movement as being of no consequence.
/r/MensRights27/10/09 06:45 PM
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First may I say that this is an eye-opening story about a very sad and serious problem, and I thank you for drawing my attention to it. However, your misguided attempt to politicize this issue is downright shameful. Of the ten individuals specifically mentioned in the piece, six were boys, and four were girls (It also mentions Clinton amongst a group of "older boys", but as it doesn't specify how many I was unable to add them to the total, but since detail other than them being in a group with C…
/r/MensRights27/10/09 05:41 AM
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Indeed, as long it is phrased responsibly, a complaint is warranted. Moving forward, what shall MRAs do to change the tone of the movement so that the small part of the outside world that is aware of it doesn't largely perceive it so harshly that this sort of blog is written?
/r/MensRights25/10/09 03:26 PM
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Ding ding ding! This is why things like this blog post get written. The way most MRAs (or at least the most vocal, the face the public sees) talk, the small part of the world that is even aware of the movement most likely takes a pretty dim view because some members spew so much misogynistic vitriol. The way some radical feminists may appear as "feminazis" (a frankly retarded term, and you parrot Rush Limbaugh each time you use it, is that an association you intend?), pretty much all MRAs appear…
/r/MensRights25/10/09 03:19 PM
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You're not expanding upon the article... all the time the author has been talking solely about men. I'd like to think that I'm expanding upon the idea by trying to remove some of what you might identify as sexism. Not only men can be dangerous. "People don't agree with me, so I must have waded into a hivemind of hate." Please. It is a bit naive of me to act as if I don't expect strong dissent when I come into a forum and post against the grain, that's true. If you're denying that /r/MensRights i…
/r/MensRights09/10/09 02:45 AM
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You'll have to forgive me for not reading every comment in the thread to discover accusations of sexism by the author, when I posted my initial comment, and indeed the comment you've replied to, there was no such discussion taking place (unless you count the derisive post title, I suppose). Moving on, if the reddit comments aren't meant to discuss and expand upon the linked article, but rather to spew undeserved hivemind vitriol, then apparently I've made a grave error. Assuming I'm not in error…
/r/MensRights09/10/09 01:06 AM
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This comment has nothing to do with the article (which if you read my other posts in this thread, you'll find I have discussed), but rather is a response to a user making an unfunny, unproductive, and (at least superficially) misogynistic comment.
/r/MensRights09/10/09 12:47 AM
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learn to make actually funny jokes.
/r/MensRights09/10/09 12:38 AM
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I think it's more saying, don't try to talk to women who don't look like they want to be talked to, and then offering some examples of what that might look like. Really, this could be broadened to all people. Would you talk with a strange man who looked like he didn't want to be talked to?
/r/MensRights09/10/09 12:13 AM
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okay, and we can assume that all people are potentially manipulative. FTFY Why should only women be seen as potentially manipulative? Also, doing something because someone was (possibly) disingenuously nice to you is not even close to the same danger as getting raped, but thanks for playing.
/r/MensRights09/10/09 12:11 AM
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I think we live in a general hysteria culture, people are always worked up about everything. I accept it insofar as I recognize that shit like 24-hour new networks (amongst other things) have caused this to be the case when it's completely unnecessary, and by recognizing this I'm able to step outside of it and not let it get to me. So it that sense, I am dealing with it by making it disappear, at least for myself.
/r/MensRights09/10/09 12:06 AM
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Setting up a complex system of alerts with every person you date is overkill, in my opinion. If that's what it takes to make one feel safe... you know? It seems overkill to me as well, but as a man I'll never truly have the same sort of experience that leads to that sort of system, so it's hard to judge. I think the article does more to promote rape hysteria and make men feel like they're walking on eggshells than actually help anyone out. Actually, I felt it pretty succinctly explained to men t…
/r/MensRights08/10/09 11:57 PM
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l2™
/r/MensRights08/10/09 10:12 PM
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I can’t see inside your head, and I don’t know your intentions. If you expect me to trust you—to accept you at face value as a nice sort of guy—you are not only failing to respect my reasonable caution, you are being cavalier about my personal safety. Shouldn't women be cautious for their personal safety? It's sad, but it is much safer to assume that any stranger may do you harm than to assume they won't. We live in a sometimes dangerous world, and taking proper precautions is not something that…
/r/MensRights08/10/09 10:09 PM
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Sir, first and foremost I would like to thank you for taking the time to type out what is far and away the most thorough and thoughtful reply I have received here in MensRights, and possibly anywhere on reddit. It's cliche to say, but I regret that I've only one upvote to give. By and large, I agree with what you have to say here, but since I'm enjoying the discussion, I'll elaborate on a few points. But if they're to be translated into public policy, they'd better have some degree of objectivit…
/r/MensRights26/09/09 10:40 AM
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what would be an objective measure to show that efforts to "change the 'underlying' prevailing attitudes in society that considered women to be undeserving of the vote" have been successful? You're absolutely right that things that are abstract are very hard to pin down to concrete goals. However, I disagree with the implication that that means that these things are worthless to examine. These are questions we will never see answered, because feminism ... is not interested in answering them. Wha…
/r/MensRights26/09/09 04:34 AM
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"(21) Feminists are making entirely reasonable demands of men. " This is a problematically loaded question, as I felt many of them were. Also, without the option to pick a neutral answer, your score had to be slanted one way or the other. Another question that seemed particularly unfair: Women exaggerate problems they have at work. Well, a bit perhaps. This follows as corollary to the fact that, in my opinion, women tend to exaggerate all problems more than men, but this is explained by the fact…
/r/MensRights25/09/09 10:02 PM
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Isn't it a case of 'mission accomplished' Largely so, at least on a superficial level. As an example: feminists made a lot of noise and now women are allowed to vote. This solves the problem on the surface, but what remains is to examine and try and to change the underlying prevailing attitudes in society that considered women to be undeserving of the vote. Think of this in relations to Civil Rights, minorities were granted the same status as whites, but this does little to assuage the overarchi…
/r/MensRights25/09/09 09:54 PM
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What personal experiences with Women/Gender Studies courses have you got that form the basis of this opinion? I did take several such courses in school which I found to be entirely tolerant. Now, my experience certainly can't speak to all such courses at every university, but I think this hate and vitriol argument is an incredibly ridiculous straw man.
/r/MensRights25/09/09 09:37 PM
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Good job, smart guy. Could a man being denied access to his children because of unfair circumstances be a reason to not want to live anymore?
/r/MensRights25/09/09 08:55 PM
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You make some very good points, and I certainly appreciated a legitimate discussion as a change of pace in these comments. The issues that porn raises for men in terms of performance are interesting. I recently read in an IAMA thread about how a common trick when filming porn is to film the cumshot first, then the rest of the fucking, so it's all really a trick, and that porn stars don't fuck any longer than the rest of us. I do think porn has fundamentally changed to be more inclusive since Dwo…
/r/MensRights22/09/09 06:34 PM
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It's been quite a while since I've read Dworkin (and then only briefly, for a class) so I may be wrongly attributing the quote. Your points are quite well put. I might like to add as well that since Dworkin's writing porn has diversified and there is now much more that is not degrading but actually positive for women that contrasts with the ever present YOUNG SLUTS CHOKING ON MONSTER COCKS shit.
/r/MensRights22/09/09 06:20 PM
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I don't comment in r/women nearly as much because the headlines that make it onto my frontpage don't grab me like those from MensRights do. I'm also much more educated (at a university, no less, where things were far more moderate than you probably think) in feminist issues than I am in Mens Rights ones, so I tend to try and read more on MensRights. If it seems as though I'm bitching and whining it's because I see in MensRights a worthy cause, but one that's drowning in petty squabbles instead o…
/r/MensRights22/09/09 05:57 AM
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You've not made any attempt to answer my question. If you find the second paragraph insulting, I'm sorry, it wasn't meant to be. Do you actually see me taking danpark's side? Clearly, I've not explicitly taken kloo2you's side, but if you actually read what I wrote, I didn't take either side, I don't condone this sort of bashing coming from either side. I merely asked a question. A question that I have asked several times of several different users at MensRights, none of which have made any attem…
/r/MensRights22/09/09 05:54 AM
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What is your problem? Why should that be an insult? Why shouldn't someone be able to stand to advocate for both mens' and womens' rights?
/r/MensRights22/09/09 05:48 AM
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My apologies sir. I find it infuriating that there are those that are unwittingly sabotaging the movement with their misogyny, and those voices as so very vocal that it seems to pervade the majority of posts around here. So yes, I am a bit touchy, and perhaps I do deserve to be called out for it.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 11:43 PM
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there are a lot of ways that men are oppressed, that I don't hear mentioned in feminism. Feminism seeks equality by advocating for women, so it's only natural that certain mens' issues don't fall under the feminist purview. This, to my mind, is exactly why a Mens Rights movement is needed, to advocate for issues that most feminists will most likely readily agree with but may overlook as they are focused on other things. Feminism and Mens Rights are false enemies, really, it's just that a few lou…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 11:06 PM
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When it comes down to it, misogyny and misandry are the same problem, produced by the same type of person. That is quite the insight! I'd not thought to put it that way, I think I may use that in the future, if you don't mind. While there is misandry in the most radical of feminisms, I don't think that most people perceive the whole of feminism as a misandrist movement. I do think that as a fledgling movement, Mens Rights ought to be more careful about phrasing things in a possibly misogynist wa…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 10:55 PM
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All right. Here is what MensRights regularly does: Hold up a particularly offensive quote, then denounce the whole of feminism based on it. Can we agree that that is retarded? Perhaps you personally are not guilty of it, but you can't deny it goes on all the time, and I don't think you can't really fault me for jumping to that conclusion. The wikipedia summation of Intercourse is pretty concise. However, I am certain that you won't think she justifies herself any better than I did. I also said t…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 10:41 PM
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Why do you feel that this is important to the Mens Rights movement? If you want to have some sort of misguided counterfeminist movement based on a poor understanding of certain feminist texts and an inability to thoughtfully disagree like an adult, I mean, I guess you've every right to do so. I cannot for the life of me see how this helps to advance Mens Rights issues in the least. I do see how it makes the Mens Rights movement look petty and therefore easily dismissible.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 10:04 PM
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That's fine, and to an extent, I agree. That does not mean you have to comport yourself as a child would.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:57 PM
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I am aware that you didn't make the original comment, I was just pointing out that I was responding in kind. You've certainly a right to be as offended as you like, but I will completely ignore your outrage if it is uninformed. As I said in an above reply I do not endorse Ms Dworkin's statements, but I have read some of her work and I do understand and agree with some of the motivation for her statements. I find it quite over the top to state things as strongly as Dworkin has here, but I do agre…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:56 PM
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No, I'm interested in a movement that is respected because it is represented by those who thoughtfully make their points, regardless of the amount of forcefulness behind their statements. You however, time and again, demonstrate that you give little or no thought to sounding like the kind of person that ought to be respected by anyone. You're an asshole, a prick, deadweight, and you and your ilk are dragging down an otherwise legitimate movement.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:33 PM
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That's a fair response. Thank you for actually answering my question. However, I don't think that the submission title reflected that sort of intent, rather it seemed to be adding to the general misplaced anti-feminism and misogyny that plagues the otherwise legitimate MensRights movement. Perhaps that wasn't your intent, but being that sort of problem is so prevalent within the movement, I been conditioned to assume the worst.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:30 PM
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Oh, I certainly don't fully agree with Dworkin, but I have read some of her writings and I understand her reasoning and do agree with some of the base points. I think you're absolutely right with your statement, but my point was to blindly quote something that one had made no attempt to contextualize is both unfair and idiotic.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:28 PM
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You don't have to know or agree with any of the context you cited to think the quote is offensive. Try and apply that attitude to something other than feminism (which you've clearly demonstrated that you enjoy attacking without any attempt to understand). If you really think that, then you're no better than the idiot teabaggers who get worked up over their idiotic out-of-context misunderstandings of things Obama says. Also, your comment is quite prickish. As if Get the sand out of your vag... wa…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:25 PM
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Oh, was I being too elitist by not swearing and name calling? All right, fuckhead, here's my beef: I'm a man who is interested in Mens Rights issues, but I find so much needless and misdirected bullshit anti-feminism and downright misogyny in this subreddit that I'm always on the edge of being turned off to the entire movement because (while I think the legitimate issues of Mens Rights are important) I don't want to be associated with a bunch of hooting dickholes like yourself. Why don't you man…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 09:21 PM
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This quote, as of course you must be aware since you're quoting it (because to quote without knowledge of context would be irresponsible!), is attributed to Andrea Dworkin, and arose in the context of her belief that sexual relations in western society are oftentimes warped by expectations gained from viewing pornography, which is very often degrading to women. But since I'm sure you knew this, I'm interested to know whether or not you completely disagree with Ms Dworkin. Do you think that porno…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 08:17 PM
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I suppose this joke is potentially offensive to both genders, if they're uptight. If they're able to laugh at gender stereotypes (and probably at themselves), it's kind of funny.
/r/MensRights21/09/09 08:09 PM
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What does this have to do with cock sucking? My comment has absolutely nothing to do with cock sucking. Perhaps if there were an r/CockSucking you could go there to raise cock sucking related questions. I came to r/MensRights to read about and discuss Mens Rights related issues, I didn't feel that this post was related to the stated topic of the subreddit, so I asked a valid question. You chose to respond with an ad hominem insult, which does nothing to answer my question but does do a lot to in…
/r/MensRights21/09/09 08:06 PM
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What does this have to do with advancing Mens Rights issues?
/r/MensRights21/09/09 05:01 PM
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People can't say... "young people only." You've never seen a senior living community?
/r/MensRights21/09/09 12:32 AM
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Thanks for the links, I'll definitely look into your site when I've got a little time. Thanks for engaging in discussion with me as well. I think this is another example of what generally ends up be a net positive experience (downvotes aside) here in MensRights. It takes a little while, but look how civil we've ended up sounding, right? Edit: What the fuck? Who downvoted this? Sometimes the dickholes around here make me think it's not worth it.
/r/MensRights18/09/09 05:06 PM
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The police most definitely regularly detain people as a matter of course during an investigation of many different types of crimes that are comparably severe to rape. Suspected murders are most certainly held and questioned for at least 22 hours, even if evidence is scant. I think that Veldang and I had a pretty good conversation regarding this in this very thread, if you'd like to read that.
/r/MensRights18/09/09 01:31 PM
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I think I will peruse your site when I've got some time, perhaps then we can have a more informed discussion.
/r/MensRights18/09/09 01:27 PM
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I don't know you, and I am attacking only your argument Well, the latter is certainly true, but as for the former I already pointed out what I thought constituted personal attacks and explained that you're losing a potential audience by being so grating. "provocative." To whom? To most people, I think. The issue is that "close to half" is far more occurrences of false accusations than the average person would guess, this is how is could be seen a potentially provocative. When you just throw it o…
/r/MensRights18/09/09 01:26 PM
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Very well put. This is what I'm coming to enjoy about the MensRights reddit. Once I ignore the baseless hostility and reflexive downvotes for not me-tooing the content of the posts, I find that there are sensible and thoughtful discussion to be had. Discussions wherein I find that at heart those who take the time to engage generally agree.
/r/MensRights18/09/09 06:49 AM
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Hatekillpuke, i like your attitude Hey, thanks man. Right back at you. The problem with rape is there are not many crimes of a similar severity and nature I think that's exactly right, and I think I'll use that line in future discussions. Half-assedly comparing rape with murder doesn't help my arguments any. I think the difference in treatment you go on to discuss is because rape is so vulgar an act that it deeply offends a pervasive societal sensibility held by both men and women, it seems to d…
/r/MensRights18/09/09 06:36 AM
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I'm glad we agree that rape is horrid. MensRights comes off rape-apologist at times, and it's good to hear someone around here actively denouncing rape. What I think makes rape cases more difficult to handle, if not special, is that in the majority of cases there is little in the way of evidence as there would be in most other crimes of similar severity. While I've heard (and agree with!) a lot of talk about how those accused of rape are unfairly treated 'round these parts, I've yet to come acro…
/r/MensRights18/09/09 06:14 AM
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I completely agree with what your point. However, I fail to see how your response in any way addresses the text you've quoted.
/r/MensRights18/09/09 06:05 AM
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Your post is imbued with the indiffierence to the plight of the falsely accused Hey now, if I weren't interested in these sorts of issues, why would I even be discussing the article? Don't get in so deep that you dismiss arguments out of hand. In fact, you've clearly taken the time to thoughtfully engage in discussion and make a lot of good points here, and all of it would read more eloquently and more convincingly without this sort of judgmental tone. For your information, men and boys falsely …
/r/MensRights18/09/09 05:20 AM
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to ease the transition put "We can't be sure so lock him up unless we can figure out otherwise" in the middle of your statements When someone is accused of any crime of this degree, isn't the first thing the police do arrest them and question them? 22 hours isn't an absurd amount of time for questioning, is it?
/r/MensRights18/09/09 04:52 AM
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The author make a very big deal of the 22 hours these men spent in jail. When accused of a serious crime, shouldn't the suspects go to jail? We don't generally let accused murders walk around freely, do we? Yes, it is certainly shitty that they were held when it turned out that they had committed no crime, but isn't it better to err on the side of caution? As to whether or not the woman should be charged with a crime, I think definitely so. She should be similarly penalized as she would for lyin…
/r/MensRights18/09/09 03:23 AM
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If some feminist regard our course language as a barrier to entry, then they were likely looking for an excuse to ignore us I've got to say, I was turned off by the language that I saw coming out of the MensRights subreddit, but despite that I thought it deserved a closer look. I've got to say, it was a big hurdle to get over, because MensRights does have a veneer of misogyny, deserved or not. I could have gone the other way and just written the whole subreddit off. But instead, I've come here a…
/r/MensRights17/09/09 02:07 AM
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No one cares. Why is this? I think many of the conversations I've had here prove that Mens Rights and Feminism hold many of the same core beliefs and actually have many of the same goals. Why not make an effort to work together?
/r/MensRights17/09/09 01:43 AM
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There might be a way for both partners to choose option 3 and find even ground. But the point is, it is the same choice for men and women. She does kind of push this option aside by saying what kind of women would want a man like that, but I think that it is certainly a viable option, and I think more men should think so. Society as a whole does not force this on to women or men. This is becoming more and more true. Remember, it wasn't but 50 years ago in America where the man always provided fo…
/r/MensRights17/09/09 01:41 AM
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If someone was so stupid, so useless, that all she is good for is sexual gratification and/or reproductive purposes, like a cunt, then maybe she needs a wake up call I get your meaning here, but just heads up, this is the kind of language that makes it hard for most feminists to want to talk with you, if that's any concern of yours (I think it should be, discourse is rad!). Though you used a female example, I think it applies equally well to males. then maybe they will learn to not be a cunt. If…
/r/MensRights17/09/09 01:23 AM
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Part of being a responsible adult who coexists peacefully with others Would also entail not going around calling people cunts as well, wouldn't you agree?
/r/MensRights16/09/09 10:32 PM
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People can't say anything to 'send me into a rage.' I'm not built that way. Alright, so you're a paragon of self-control, but I'll bet you find that most aren't. So most everyone gets upset due to different things, I think it's hardly fair to then say that most everyone are not grown-up.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 09:13 PM
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You should probably resubmit with a direct link to the article, because the top story on that page is, as of 2:00pm WST, about segregated rail cars in India that have been instituted to curb a disturbing rise in sexual assault. I was really wondering how purchasing power was going to fit into there before I realized you meant what was then the second article. edit: does this deserve a downvote? I don't think I said anything even remotely controversial, and was just trying to be helpful. Unless w…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 09:01 PM
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Of course feminists love this because free baseball themed t-shirts is another advantage they get over men, and the movement basically exists to chalk more and more of these up, amirite? Seriously, with all the real issues in the world I can't think of a real feminist that would begin to care about free t-shirts at a baseball game.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 08:54 PM
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It's unfair to say that because something upsets someone it's means they're not a grown up. While I am all for people not giving a shit about truly unimportant crap, some are more sensitive than others, and everyone has different triggers. I'm sure there're things that would send me into a rage that would just roll off you, and vice versa.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 08:46 PM
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Can we at least agree that gut instinct has more influence on attraction than the conscious mind, which more often than not just narrates and rationalizes gut instinct? You know, when you put it that way, that's exactly right. The only thing I might add is that the narration not only rationalizes but also reinforces that base instinct. But I think we're just talking circles around something we basically agree upon at this point. Nice having the discussion with you, I think we've reached a pretty…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 08:43 PM
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Members of the MensRights subreddit are used to being attacked, not so much being approached with thoughtful discussion, so I think a lot of downvotes are by reflex. I think if I keep at it I'll learn 'em eventually.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:53 PM
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Try and phrase it as an intelligent, thoughtful statement instead of a crass joke and I would be more than willing to listen.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:51 PM
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The main factors in attraction for women would be status / power which in turn are proxies for protection / security. In many circles, money is a proxy for status / power. While this is true from an broad evolutionary standpoint, and probably does function on base level of our evolved primate brains, I think that the conscious mind we've developed seeks out other things in the forefront, like personality, common interests, shared ideologies, et cetera. But yes, sometimes wealth is a factor for a…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:49 PM
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People, both men and women I know and have met don't seem to think they're entitled to any more than the mythological image of universally powerful, wealthy and free men they've created in their heads. FTFY, sir.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:39 PM
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Kudos Thanks! And the same to you, sir. Being forced to work under threat of imprisonment exacts a physical, mental, and emotional toll on the person thus enslaved. True, but I still think my point stands that it's not quite rightly label as a reproductive issue, and the problems I mentioned that come with that.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:36 PM
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You know, when it's phrased as thoughtfully and as classy as you've put it here, I've no problems with these sorts of statements. But I disagree and reassert: when it's put in the simplistic context of a crass joke, then yes, that is feminist-bashing.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 07:34 PM
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Please. Sorry. I found it better to take things at face value in my discussions 'round these parts, as assuming someone is being facetious can lead to trouble. I didn't mean to be patronizing. (Also, I've not slept in a while, so my judgement may be a bit off). no. That's too bad. I was honestly interested in clarification. I've come to MensRights to gain new perspectives on both new and familiar issues, so you'll understand if I'm a bit disappointed when members aren't very forthcoming. creatin…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 05:21 PM
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Are you suggesting that the main factor in attraction for women is money? If your experiences suggest this is so, I feel sorry for you, as I don't believe that this sort of gold digger represents most women, certainly not the women I've known. Ponder this. Does anyone go out with the person they are less attracted to because it would be more fair? Perhaps some hardcore egalitarians do? No, of course you're right, but I think there's a lot more than money that makes a person attractive, and among…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 05:10 PM
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Sir, I'm sure you think your lame attempt at satire is funny, but it's not. All you're doing is contributing to the idea that the Mens Rights movement is a childish joke.
/r/MensRights16/09/09 05:07 PM
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Dream on my friend. Well, yes. I suppose that's the idea, isn't it? And perhaps if one shares their ideas and discusses them with others, there's a small chance those dreams may come true. If you don't believe that, then nothing is worth trying to change. 18 years of garnished wages enforced by threat of imprisonment is a big impact on a man. I completely agree. While that sort of issue is certainly connected to reproductive rights I'm not sure it truly falls under that heading, being that it's …
/r/MensRights16/09/09 05:05 PM
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You're talking like a feminist Oh, well, thank you! I thought I'd bring another voice to the discussion so that we could share perspectives. those things Yikes, That's a dim view of children. Do you think that men are or should be less attached to their children? modern woman often have an unhealthey sense of entitlement. I'm not sure what that has to do with what I said, could you elaborate? Also, at any rate, women I know and have met don't seem to think they're entitled to any more than men (…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 02:08 PM
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She talks a lot about how a women would have to pay attention to their children, and that hurts their ability to have a successful career. While this is true, why are these same expectations not put upon men as well? I think it has a lot to do with traditional gender roles (man as earner, woman as nurturer), but if we could break away from this, and expect men to shoulder at least half of these sorts of needs of their children this sort of discrepancy between male and female career opportunities…
/r/MensRights16/09/09 11:19 AM
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What does this have to do with Mens Rights? Seriously, can someone just start a Feminist-Bashing subreddit so all this shit can go there, and the MR sub can focus on real issues instead of just looking petty and childish?
/r/MensRights16/09/09 09:56 AM
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In 1980 statistics come to the same conclusion we have now Right, but there was less advocacy for men on this issue, and therefore less action. It's not that the problem didn't exist, but the widespread awareness. I think the main problem with domestic violence towards men is that because of how a man is expected to be tough, to be stronger than a woman, it can be hard for a man (perhaps even harder than for a woman?) to admit that he needs help in these sorts of situations. When a woman stands …
/r/MensRights15/09/09 06:55 PM
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A quick search for the Duluth Model reveals what seems to be a very effective model for dealing with the more societally prevalent problem of men abusing women, dating from 1980. That's nearly 30 years ago. It may well be time for an update to the model that includes solutions for dealing with women who abuse men, but I think it's unfair to fault a program for not including a part of the problem that society is only now becoming aware of from it's nearly three decade old inception. For the recor…
/r/MensRights15/09/09 05:32 PM
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feminists are all about equality This, indeed, is true. What you have to understand is that feminism is a movement that seeks equality by focusing on women's issues in order to lift up women to the level of men. The movement has achieved a lot with this approach. Just because feminists are not on the forefront of fighting for mens' issues doesn't mean that they don't care about them or are against them. But because they don't make fighting for mens' issues their business is exactly why a Mens Ri…
/r/MensRights15/09/09 05:22 PM
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Ah hell, I just those were some colloquialisms that fit the statement well. I know there's a whole conversation around common phrasing that reinforces societal sexism, et cetera, but I didn't think that this was really the time to get into that (I'd probably have sounded like a pussy, amirite?), and that those particular phrases would have a little more punch.
/r/MensRights15/09/09 04:53 PM
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Alright, I'm ready to drop the conceit of the article in the name of serious discussion. I would be interested in examples where you feel that radical feminism is actually driving public and social policies that are designed to subjugate men. I know there's a lot of internet talk from radical feminists, but I don't really see any of it filter into the real world, and it's much more moderate views from groups like, for instance, N.O.W. that tend to successfully advocate for womens' rights. (Also,…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 09:16 PM
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About twice as much medical-research money is spent on illnesses experienced almost exclusively by Xs the mainstream media of Country C devote a hugely disproportionate amount of their coverage to the violent victimization of Xs Xs are more likely to be believed innocent, given favourable plea bargains, and awarded probation--even when participating together in the same crime with Ys. In a large number of cases, Xs who kill Ys serve no time at all in prison. All this is largely traceable to a ve…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 08:50 PM
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Wow, a derogatory image, almost certainly made by a man who never took a women studies course and therefore has no real basis to even talk about them, and who probably has a deap-seated hatred for feminism that he can't/won't explain. I completely agree with the commenters who say this contributes nothing to the movement. Stay classy, MensRights.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 08:31 PM
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As Glenn Sacks has said, "Power is the reward which comes with responsibility." You mean as Peter Parker's uncle Ben said? Alright, more seriously, some feminists are concerned about this possibility. followed by, 42% of women claimed they would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, regardless of the wishes of their partners. Those two statements have no connection! If you're going to set up that feminists won't like something, you have to back it up with something that feminists hav…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 08:23 PM
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All in all, a good article that had many points that spur discussion. Here's a few that caught my eye. women expect less and negotiate less pay for themselves than do men. Researchers have found that women expect less, see the world as having fewer negotiable opportunities, and see themselves as acting for what they care about as opposed to acting for pay. It was really interesting that this point was brought up, How can one measure such a factoid? I honestly don´t know. But then a let down that…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 07:52 PM
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Workplace safety is indeed an important issue. It is also an issue that has nothing to do with this article, and therefore is pretty much non sequitur to a discussion about the article.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 07:37 PM
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I've not seen Sacks criticized on /r/Equality (doesn't mean it doesn't happen, I'm just saying I've not personally seen it), so I went over and about 8-10 of the front page posts. From there, he does sound pretty moderate, and a model for MRAs to look up to in terms of civil discourse. What I have seen, is times when Sacks has perhaps slipped up in his wording, saying things like "All Feminists" do such-and-such negative business. That then gets picked up by the anti-feminist element around here…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 05:50 PM
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whoosh
/r/MensRights14/09/09 04:55 PM
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I know you can't answer that without sounding like a hypocritical idiot troll. Man, you're being a dick. I think it reflects just as poorly upon the "five or six feminist subreddits", but I also think that feminism, being a more established movement, can afford a little more negativity. I think that far fewer people have a positive view of the Mens Rights movement (which is a shame, because a lot of MRAs have important issues to rationally and openly discuss), so MenRights can less afford the so…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 04:54 PM
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If your aim is to be controversial just to get more readership, I guess you're right. But if, as these sorts of blogs claim, they want to change things rather than just stir the pot, then the tone is entirely wrong. I don't read feministing because it comes of as a mix of being radical for the shock value, and when it's not doing that it's blandly preaching to the choir (sometimes even both at once, I suppose).
/r/MensRights14/09/09 04:49 PM
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The guy can say whatever the hell he wants We all can, that's the beauty of the system!
/r/MensRights14/09/09 03:52 PM
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How're your little personal reddit vendettas going for you? It looks rather petty, and reflects poorly on the MensRights subreddit as a whole.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 12:51 PM
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more effectively spent by giving doctors incentives to make and keep their patients healthy This is a terrible idea, as it would encourage doctors to only take on the healthiest of patients (kind of like the shitty insurance companies do now), as it would essentially be a liability to have unhealthy patients. This is very similar to the proposed notion of judging teachers based on the test scores of their students, some years a teacher might just get a stupid crop of kids (or perhaps kids that w…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 12:46 PM
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Well, I didn't say anything about insanity defenses as they related to women, just that it is perhaps a defense more considered in the western word. If insanity defenses are more common or effective for women (a quick google search was indecisive), I would attribute this to a long history of women being more quickly (and quite unfairly) diagnosed with mental disorders than men. So this "advantage" women have of being more likely to seen as crazy is a myth that feminists have worked long and hard…
/r/MensRights14/09/09 03:53 AM
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I will take your comment at face value, assume you're not being sarcastic, and say that I am always up for a discussion, vaguely threatening username aside.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 03:06 AM
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I'll assume you're talking about Lorena Bobbit. If you'll recall, she had her day in court, and after her lawyers citing a long history of abuse, the jury found her Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity. The only way this can be described as a "Western" verdict is that perhaps courts in the western world are more likely to entertain an insanity defense. Is the Turkish woman even claiming a similar state of mind to that of Mrs Bobbit (it doesn't appear so, according to the article)? Had Lorena Bobbit …
/r/MensRights14/09/09 02:58 AM
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Tell me, definingmanhood, I'm interested to know what personal wrong the feminist movement has done to you to make you so angry towards them.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 02:39 AM
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I fully agree. MensRights stands for some important issues, but as long as this sort of shit gets posted in the name of MensRights the real issues will be overlooked and the whole movement will continue to be dismissed as a bunch of misogynists and rape-apologists.
/r/MensRights14/09/09 02:38 AM
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Shit, if crass and cowardly generalizations like this are defining manhood, I guess that I, as a male, will have to find something else to call myself.
/r/MensRights10/09/09 10:16 PM
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That's exactly what I came to say. No one takes these type of ultra-radicals seriously except for themselves, and they make up a tiny portion of people who call themselves feminists. I'd say it's just a big, ineffectual misandry circle jerk, but what with all the castration talk that might not be the most appropriate term.
/r/MensRights10/09/09 09:14 PM
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I too am an Eagle Scout, which is why the headline got my attention. To this day, I won't let go off a knife when passing it to someone (folded closed or handle first!) 'til they say thank you. Since most people don't have the same knife safety training this generally leads to a few awkward seconds of us staring at each other, both holding the knife, until I realize and have to explain that they need to acknowledge they've got a hold of it before I'll let go.
/r/MensRights10/09/09 03:29 PM
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the insinuation is that the political power of feminism over the past 40 years has caused in our society an overemphasis on safety over almost everything else If I'm going to my political outlook from someone who is a comedian, I'm going to go with Patton Oswalt and blame hippies. He's got a bit from Feeling' Kinda Patton (that doesn't seem to be online anywhere) about how hippie parents were so fucked up that their kids reacted by turning into the kind of lame-ass PMRC Tipper Gore types who put…
/r/MensRights10/09/09 03:25 PM
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If anyone didn't pick it out, these are British scouts. the growing problem of knife crime meant action had to be taken. You know, from the country where motherfuckers are stabbing each other to death all the time. Apparently UK knife crime is so out of hand that they're considering banning regular kitchen knives and only allowing special safety knives that you can't stab someone with. Even if this were in America (where, fortunately, we have guns so we can shoot each other to death, allowing ou…
/r/MensRights10/09/09 08:54 AM
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You're weaseling your way out of the discussion. You're trying to redefine terms rather than address questions. If you believe that there is no true misogyny in reddit, would you agree there is no true misandry? Bare in mind there is only one answer that doesn't make you a raging hypocrite.
/r/MensRights10/09/09 08:21 AM
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So, because you feel differently it is okay for you to discount the way the users you are quoting feel? Regardless of the intent, hatred towards women by men is how they (and I, and many others) have interpreted certain comments, and it has made them feel unwelcome. Are they being overly sensitive? Perhaps in some cases, but that does little to excuse the type of sentiment they've encountered. By the way, if you're in need of specific misogynistic comment examples, perhaps you can visit r/LadyBa…
/r/MensRights09/09/09 07:24 PM
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Is that to suggest that anti-semitism doesn't exist?
/r/MensRights09/09/09 06:34 PM
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Sorry if you feel that it's a cop out to not cite specific examples, but I don't feel there's anything to be gained by singling out specific users. That would basically constitute an attack when I've been preaching tolerance and approachability. they just cry misogyny and the claims can never be verified. Do you suppose that they are crying misogyny without any sort of cause? Is that to suggest that they are doing so just to sabotage your movement?
/r/MensRights09/09/09 06:15 PM
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I don't see you once questioning the presumption of reddit as having misogyny I'm not, because it does. Reddit has it, the internet has it, the world has it. All of the above have misandry as well. It would be both foolish and naive to assume that misogyny doesn't exist. Furthermore, to say that no misogyny exists amongst the Mens Rights move (and subreddit) would be akin to saying that your every position is infallible, which can hardly be true.
/r/MensRights09/09/09 06:00 PM
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I've my opinion on that, but I'm not going to name names. To do so would be counter to what I've said in this thread.
/r/MensRights09/09/09 05:48 PM
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I've been trying to encourage a more civil dialogue from both sides after some members of the MensRights subreddit really impressed me. I feel that both movements have a lot in common and a lot to share. It's evident from your comment that you've probably been exposed to some pretty negative examples of (probably fairly radical not support by most) feminism that rubbed you the wrong way. Many feminists feel exactly the same way about MRAs, for the same sort of wrong reasons. I'm sure you would f…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 10:41 PM
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The bottom line of what I'm saying is that if you want to communicate with feminists (as it seems you genuinely do), you shouldn't use lines like –the feminists, all the time, right down the line, they fight it like crazy! Which is almost certain to reinforce negative stereotypes of Mens Rights Advocates and turns feminists away from whatever else you have to say. ps, It wasn't me that downvoted you, I don't downvote anyone who is willing to have a lengthy discussion with me as you have. Thanks.
/r/MensRights08/09/09 08:36 PM
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And yet there is a discussion....a good step in the right direction isn´t it cute-smilieface Despite your seeming to be flip about it, in all seriousness: Isn't it? these were words of frustration, and not words to start a conversation. If you're not trying to start a conversation what are you doing? Is it worthwhile? Will it help further your cause, or are you just venting (which would be fine, I suppose)? fathers deserve the same treatment as mothers, equality in the courts as well as an equal…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 07:42 PM
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You know, it is a bit stupid. Yet the way you communicate can be very important if you want to reach a new audience. I didn't like the way you said something, and it shut me off to your message, and I'm making a effort to explore what MRAs have to say. "I don´t want to offend you but I am sorry it seems to me a lot of feminists are against father´s right. Yes, I might have tried to phrase it as such. My main issue with the article, as is evident in my comment above, was the tone that made use of…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 04:20 PM
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–the feminists, all the time, right down the line, they fight it like crazy! All of them, all the time? Really. It's clear I can stop reading at this point, because a rational discussion will clearly not be taking place. Mr Sacks' use of such a ridiculous generalization shows him to be biased against an open dialog about such issues. Your repeating his words shows that you share his bias. With these sorts of words, feminism is painted as a impossibly cartoonish bad guy, a straw woman that you ca…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 08:23 AM
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So, for you it doesn't come down to whether or not the child was conceived by accident, but rather if the man declares at some point that he doesn't want kids. At what point must the declaration that he doesn't want a kid be made? Before sex? Before the child is born? At any point during the child's life when the father decides fuck this, I don't want this anymore? Should such a declaration have to be in writing? Should a notary have to witness and sign off on it? How do you prove that the man h…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 02:31 AM
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Okay, I should have limited the scope of my statement to pedophiles who act upon their urges (or child fuckers, as you eloquently put it), you've got me there, but still. Plus, I'm not sure Brazil wants to get rid of one of their man sources of income, they just want to show people that they are tough and want to by accusing wrong people. You really think that the Brazilian government thinks, oh, we're fine with child sex-tourism because it brings in so much money, we just need to act like we're…
/r/MensRights08/09/09 02:23 AM
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Under strict new legislation passed only last month the offence of molesting a child under the age of 14 can carry a penalty of between eight to 15 years in jail. Does anyone think that this law is a bad idea? Fuck pedophiles. That shit is one of the most fucked up things that can happen. It sounds as though Brazil has got a child sex-tourism problem, and they're enacting tough laws to try to deal with it. It is definitely unfortunate that this man got caught up by mistake, but hopefully things …
/r/MensRights07/09/09 06:43 AM
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This seems like such a slippery slope. As you've stated in a reply to another comment here, you're considering this situation without deception on the part of either party. Legally proving that no such deception took place would be nearly impossible, as it would basically come down to a he said / she said argument. My gut feeling is that no, a man should not have to pay for a child that was conceived by mistake if he does not choose to. The crux of the matter, however, seems to be whether or not…
/r/MensRights07/09/09 06:33 AM
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What up, MensRights! How come people don't know about this very reasonable and thought-out side of you? You know, I suppose it's for the same reason that feminism gets a bad rap, only the more egregious of voices get heard by a wide audience. Regardless, I am glad I decided to give this subreddit a chance after seeing only bare misogyny overflow from here to other reddits, I've got to say it's been a pleasant surprise.
/r/MensRights07/09/09 06:22 AM
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This is quite eloquent, and exactly the sort of reasonable talk I was hoping to find when I decided to give the MensRights subreddit a chance. Guess it's not all crazed misogyny after all.
/r/MensRights07/09/09 12:25 AM
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Feminism is a movement for which the main goal is equality between the sexes. The focus of the movement is on uplifting women, as women have historically held a lower position in just about everything in our society. Thanks to work of dedicated feminists (both male and female!) a lot of progress has been made toward this end. However, this has been a long and sometimes bitter fight, so if some who are deeply entrenched (on either side) might make over the top statements from time to time, that's…
/r/MensRights07/09/09 12:22 AM
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Feminism is the theory that men and women are equal in every respect--except for those in which women are superior. Had to stop reading at this point, because this is flatly not true. Characterizing all feminism as such would be the same as saying that all Mens Rights advocates are merely sexual assault apologists.
/r/MensRights06/09/09 04:53 PM
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