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Have fun in the mines, I guess?
/r/BlackPillScience20/06/25 04:53 AM
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Except that this is contradicted by almost every other study on the topic.
/r/BlackPillScience09/05/25 04:53 PM
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I mean socially. Just look up the history of the countries.
/r/BlackPillScience28/04/25 10:39 AM
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high inhib
/r/BlackPillScience24/04/25 05:56 PM
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This has already been broken down a million times. I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Queen regnants are more likely to be married to other regnants than vice versa.
/r/BlackPillScience23/04/25 01:43 AM
0

Why do you feel comfortable conflating responsiveness and niceness?
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 06:04 AM
1

Do you have any evidence for this?
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 05:56 AM
-3

The nordic countries modernized on paper very rapidly and are still very culturally traditional in many ways. This is a well known thing. Lots of downvotes and no responses... This is a factual discussion.
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 04:38 AM
0

So one. Okay. That's not zero at least.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 09:48 PM
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Did you lose track of the line of questioning? Have you seen one instance of a woman pursing a man... that led to a successful long term relationship?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 02:50 AM
1

So, you have seen one instance of this occurring?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 02:37 AM
1

Obviously it matters. Of course, it's very easy to lie about as well.
/r/BlackPillScience16/02/25 02:36 AM
1

Interesting choice for an age range.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:37 AM
-4

How many successful, long term relationships do you know of that started out that way?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:36 AM
-5

Yes, of course, all women engage in texting games and no men do. The entire redpill movement and pickup artistry never existed.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:33 AM
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That was on a dating app, which you're assuming possessed a representative sample for both men and women, which is most likely not true.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:32 AM
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Humans did lots of stupid shit for centuries. It's almost as if something that leads to such consistent debate with zero resolution doesn't really have an objective answer.
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 05:59 PM
3

So entirely arbitrary bullshit. There is no objectively correct way to determine self worth.
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:56 AM
-10

So then what?
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:50 AM
-16

As opposed to what? Getting material things some other way? Lol.
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:39 AM
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getting free stuff = pathetic ok
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 06:32 AM
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There are studies on contemporary populations that match these results.
/r/BlackPillScience16/01/25 11:38 PM
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I don't know why you would think that.
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/24 04:15 PM
1

As I mentioned, it's irrelevant that lesbians have a higher divorce rate. Your argument is that partner behaviour has no impact on a woman's choice to leave a relationship. Child custody favouring the wife is in support of what I said, not contrary to it. If only the best men receive full custody, while women are awarded it in a more wanton fashion, you would expect to see superior outcomes in the male 100% custody group than the female 100% custody group.
/r/BlackPillScience12/12/24 12:41 PM
1

Lol. You just keep regurgitating statistics you haven't bothered to look into yourself. To address one, women are much more likely to receive full custody than men. Men who actually receive full custody are disproportionately wealthy, and there is a strong association between wealth and positive outcomes in children. You are still failing to provide any support for the idea that women's decision to leave a partner is not based upon their partner's behaviour.
/r/BlackPillScience12/12/24 07:02 AM
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It's a general trend?
/r/BlackPillScience10/12/24 05:33 AM
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In 2021, 382 same-sex dissolutions took places between two men and 488 same-sex dissolutions took place between two women. 0.8:1 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1285604/netherlands-same-sex-dissolutions-by-gender/ In 2022, 765 same-sex marriages took places between two men and 949 same-sex marriages took place between two women. 0.8:1 https://www.statista.com/statistics/520259/total-number-of-same-sex-marriages-in-the-netherlands-by-gender/ In general, same-sex divorces in Spain have doubled…
/r/BlackPillScience09/12/24 12:04 PM
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You have continually moved goalposts this entire discussion. You made the claim that women don't leave men because of their actions, then when I demonstrated that is false, you made the argument that women have higher standards in general, including of men's behaviour. I then pointed out all the areas in which men have higher standards. You then responded with some nonsense about mental illness, and argued that health issues aren't common, which is not true. Of the two of us, I am not the one op…
/r/BlackPillScience09/12/24 08:23 AM
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Age is more important to men, as is frequency of sexual activity.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:50 PM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19645027/
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:32 PM
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Further, at the couple level, 70.6% of couples showed a pattern in which the women believed their ex-husbands should have worked harder to save their relationships while their ex-husbands did not believe they, themselves, should have worked harder. Only 11.7% agreed that the husband should have worked harder and 11.7% had the husband endorse that he should have worked harder with the wife disagreeing. Conversely, only 35.3% of couples displayed the pattern in which the men blamed their ex-wives …
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:03 PM
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You apparently looked up what the main reasons for divorce are, because you mentioned that domestic violence isn't in the top 3. So what did you find were the top 3?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:54 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/easc0zno0n5e1.jpeg?width=1099&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e84003e734e05db9f1f47b0f6065104a53b25f41
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:47 PM
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Lack of devotion by a partner is pretty consistently the number one reason women get a divorce. Notice that this involves the man's behaviour.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:44 PM
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That a short man would react better to being asked his height than a late 20s woman would react to being asked her age.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:36 PM
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Why assume that it wouldn't matter what the guy did? lol. All evidence points to the contrary.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:59 AM
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"Just trust me bro" I thought you hated anecdotes.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:58 AM
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I can understand that.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:57 AM
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Obviously larger because it looks nicer, but that's just not as relevant for a LTR.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:26 AM
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How is it relevant? I said that relationships can fall apart if men spend too much time working. Women ending the relationship is a given in that context.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:24 AM
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Okay, how about walking up to a shorter guy and asking him his height, vs asking a short woman her height?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:24 AM
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Yeah, exactly. Large dicks are rare, so they're in demand for casual sex, but a large portion of women are not physically compatible with large, while most women want taller guys. So you're at a an overall disadvantage for long term dating when compared with a tall, small dicked guy.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 04:03 AM
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I thought you said you were struggling to get an LTR.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:54 AM
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What does that have to do with what I said?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:46 AM
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Age isn't a big deal for men. It makes no sense to compare asking for a man's age vs a woman's age.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:45 AM
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Relationships fall apart all the time when men work too much. Though, of course doing something practical is better than something recreational. If you are using almost all of your recreational time to play games instead of hanging out with your girlfriend, then you don't have much of a relationship.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:35 AM
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Ask guys what their dick size is instead of their name
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:32 AM
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Sure, which is why I said lots of women, not all. It's not necessarily a trade off between tallness and a larger penis. For some women a larger size is a negative. I don't mean to take away your cope, but you're rich so you'll probably be fine anyway.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:06 AM
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I am a woman.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:49 AM
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The relationship is more complex than that. I'd say that if you're at least around average height, build and face trump height, so average height guy with good build and face is better than tall guy with average build and face. But tall with bad build and face beats very short with even very good build and face.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 01:59 AM
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Men also treat tall men better.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 01:57 AM
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Extremely tall and extremely short are disadvantaged over average to slightly above average, because of the ubiquity of assortative mating for height, and the fact that most people are of average height.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:55 PM
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Yes, I'm sure it was because she thought gaming is cringe and not that he was literally never spending time with her.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:42 PM
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If controlling for everything, including inclinations towards assortative mating at all heights and negative assortative mating at extreme heights, short people of both sexes are less desirable mates, so obviously you would see this association. What you're seeing is the result of the multiplying effect of a female preference for a taller partner and a general preference for a partner who is at least an average height for their sex.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:41 PM
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Lots of women don't need that size.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:37 PM
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I doubt you could actually demonstrate that women are "more emotional."
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:33 PM
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Humans engage in negative assortative mating for traits that are detrimental in extremes. As in, they are normalizing the height of their offspring.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:33 PM
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She's setting her potential son up to be taller than if she had children with a shorter guy.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:30 PM
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The blackpillers will ignore this
/r/BlackPillScience02/12/24 02:38 PM
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Jane Goodall's observations have been replicated innumerable times, with many of her once surprising claims now caught on video. This "experiment" has not been, to my knowledge. The claim that she was fearful of other chimpanzees is more plausible than that she was attracted to human men or masturbated to Playgirl magazine. Mammals just don't tend to imprint to that degree. The few examples that exist are gimmicky, suspect accounts from the 1900s. Yes, lots of individuals have atypical attractio…
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 10:17 AM
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Did you downvote me? Why not respond, if for no other reason than to maybe learn something.
/r/BlackPillScience18/11/24 06:23 AM
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I'm not sure why you brought up a highly questionable primatology "study" from the 60s and 70s. I hope you have the sense to question the accuracy of the reporting, especially the "sexual attraction" to humans part. Not to mention, she was introduced to one male chimpanzee (by my understanding), and this was well before she reached official sexual maturity (the time when female chimpanzees actually start mating). You want me to explain low genetic quality to you? Really? You have access to the i…
/r/BlackPillScience18/11/24 03:59 AM
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What is this in response to?
/r/BlackPillScience11/11/24 04:54 PM
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Also, it's worth considering that in species that are highly K selected, those that have exceedingly low infant and juvenile morality rates, as well as low morality of reproductive age adults, in combination with relatively high levels of competition in adulthood for ecologically relevant resources, monogamy tends to be more strongly selected for. Essentially, the conditions exist to an even greater degree today for selection for monogamy.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 05:21 PM
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Actual rates are difficult to identify, and I'm not sure if trends are shifting, but if you look at the 40-49 year age cohort in the US (men having children past this age is rare, only around 1% do), 84% of women and 77% of men have had children. So not a huge divide. Obviously women having jobs and being able to avoid marriage may shift this somewhat. Also, only about 15% of men have had children with multiple partners in the US. So, not a massive number, but not microscopic either. It's honest…
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 04:03 PM
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The confusion here is coming from mistaking the relative rate of preservation of y-haplogroups vs mitochondrial strains over an extended time frame for consistent differences in median reproductive rate. Extreme polygyny was not prevalent within given societies, but due to high rates of tribal aggression, spurred by technological advancements, male populations took over and replaced each other regularly, leading to reduced y chromosome diversity.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:33 AM
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So, during a period that involved record levels of tribal warfare?
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:31 AM
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Monogamy was not a product of agriculture. Polygyny was in fact exaggerated by it. The whole "fewer men reproduced than women" thing is mostly the result of tribal warfare, not an extreme reproductive skew for males within a given community.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:25 AM
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It's mostly from tribal warfare.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:22 AM
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Results for the uncertain condition, however, were ***consistent* with research on the pleasures of uncertainty.** Learn scientific literacy.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 06:31 AM
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Just in case this is completely going over your head, I suspect that most of the women who have issues with male morticians and gynecologists wouldn’t have issues with male cashiers or mechanics.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 10:53 PM
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Why?
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 10:35 PM
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The professions in the screenshot weren’t random.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 10:31 PM
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What does a guy being a cashier have to do with it? Do you think those professions were random?
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 10:11 PM
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Not inherently. Plenty of things are rare but not considered particularly valuable.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 10:08 PM
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https://statisticalhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/88.2.levanon.pdf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 12:22 AM
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The results are not surprising at all if you have a basic understanding of evolutionary theory. For one, casual sex costs men nothing, and is always a net positive for them evolutionarily (assuming the woman is fertile at the time), whereas it is inherently extremely costly for women, and it is overwhelmingly a net negative if the man is of low genetic quality. And it is for a similar reason that men are more willing to enter into a long-term relationship with a less attractive partner than wome…
/r/BlackPillScience13/07/24 12:17 PM
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Those are plastic on plastic jars, and are extremely easy to open. I can’t believe that you’re legitimately attempting to argue that something like opening a jar is unattainable to a large portion of the population. Does that seem like a realistic assertion to you? Again, I’m weaker than most people, and in my entire life I’ve had maybe 5 instances of a jar actually being in any way difficult to open. Out of thousands of jars. And in those cases the person who ended up opening them was my mother…
/r/MensRights13/07/24 08:36 AM
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I’m the weakest person imaginable and I’ve done it thousands of times. You don’t need any strength to push a knife up the side of a lid and use it as a lever. And you don’t need to use a sharp, thin knife either. Those tend to bend anyway. I generally use butter knives. If you’re using a very thick, flexible knife and applying minimal pressure, there’s functionally zero chance the knife would break.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 12:25 AM
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It doesn’t even require strength to open a jar. You just use a knife to release the gas buildup, then open it normally with zero effort.
/r/MensRights12/07/24 06:28 AM
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If that’s how you choose to interpret it
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/24 07:07 AM
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Any criticism or suggestion that you might be incorrect is necessarily an attempt to antagonize? Really? I had no interest in interacting with you further, and felt I should provide an explanation for why I decided to stop responding. Feel free to get defensive, I guess, but then you’ll likely never improve. Makes no difference to me, but all the difference in the world to you. Choose wisely.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/24 05:10 AM
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Maybe they were being polite.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/24 04:28 AM
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I’m gonna be honest, your writing is consistently extremely incoherent. You should legitimately try to improve your intelligibility if you want to make engagement with online discourse a regular part of your life.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 11:59 PM
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We aren’t talking about you. This is women being alone with a bear or a man. The reason that the men closest to women are most likely to hurt them is mostly due to opportunity. Women may encounter more men than bears in their day to day life, but they mostly aren’t encountering men one-on-one in the middle of the woods. You said “all the women who picked the bear have had one night stands and casual sex.” The majority of women do not have casual sex, so assuming that “all” the women who picked t…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 02:12 AM
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Sorry, do you, like, not understand how hypotheticals work? The whole point is that it’s an either/or question. “Neither” isn’t an option because almost everyone would choose it. Lots of survivors do kill themselves, and lots of women throughout history have killed themselves to avoid rape. It is saying nothing about existing rape survivors. It’s a personal decision meant to clearly illustrate a genuine fear that is often dismissed by men as overblown. As for the last part, I don’t know why you …
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 12:00 AM
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The point that women are trying to make is that they don’t want to be raped.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/07/24 11:05 PM
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Women saying “I don’t need a man” tends to derive from men telling women that they need them in a personal context, not a society-wide context. Obviously women need men to have housing built and roads maintained, for instance, but they question and push back on the assertion that women need a man in their lives to feel personally fulfilled and have a decent quality of life.
/r/MensRights08/04/24 01:14 PM
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This isn’t a report, though, this is an estimate based on current understanding.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:36 PM
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Maybe to a certain extent, though most people who lose their virginity in high school do so to other high school students.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:35 PM
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No, because those estimates already take into account the higher rates of asymptomatic infection in women.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 08:45 PM
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No, because gonorrhoea is a comparatively rare STD. Its prevalence can be used to make predictions about sexual activity (rather than relying on self-reported sexual activity data). No it can’t, if women are more likely to contract it from PIV sex than men, and are more likely to be asymptomatic and thus not seek treatment for it.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:29 AM
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No, it suggests that the majority of women are in monogamous relationships with slightly older men (1-5 years older), a small minority of young men are having sex with a slightly larger pool of similarly aged (and probably some older) women, and a small minority of men in all age groups (smaller and smaller the higher the age) aren’t in relationships at all.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:24 AM
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Did you read your own comment? Most heterosexual men with urethral infection become symptomatic and quickly seek healthcare (after a few days) (5). About half of women are asymptomatic, and this they take longer to seek healthcare than men (5,6).
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:14 AM
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What does that even mean?
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 12:12 AM
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Source
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 04:56 AM
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Again, if you are defining sex as the presence or absence of SRY, then it is. You can agree that there are two “overarching” sexes, while also acknowledging that the statement: “there are two biological sexes” is overly reductive unless you have specified that you are here referring to chromosomal sex.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:53 AM
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So, defined as the presence or absence of SRY. In that case it would be a dimorph. However, sex is generally understood to be a more complex phenomenon than that. Individuals can develop in highly sex-atypical manners, and intermediate forms are not uncommon at all. It is the evolutionary selection against these intermediate forms that maintains the dimorph.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:44 AM
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Lol
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:40 AM
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I mean, naturally this would be the case, since adolescent and adult males can’t be forcibly sexually abused by women, so a greater percentage of men who experienced sexual abuse in their lifetime would be young. Far more girls than boys are abused at young ages, though.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:42 AM
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Attractive women have always had more options for partners. This has nothing to do with the modern gender equality movement. Why wouldn’t people want the best they can get in a partner?
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:27 AM
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It depends on how you define sex.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:21 AM
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And apparently redpillers and blackpillers as well. Who would have thought.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 06:24 AM
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Depends on the species. Edit: perhaps I’m mistaken on that (re:crocodilians) I’m not sure why I thought that was the case
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 07:23 AM
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The study is linked in that paper in a very obvious location. Do you mean to say, after everything you’ve said about it, that you haven’t even read it? It is not about what people “feel” any more than actual, official sexual harassment cases are. Specific questions about what occurred are asked. I’m also not sure how you keep doubling down on the idea that things like conviction rates and other official tribunals are good, unbiased sources of data on this subject. If we were to rely exclusively …
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 04:45 AM
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Lol on so many levels. Lots of probes are internal and are incentivized to find the accused innocent, or at least guilty of a lesser transgression, and so tend not to have accurate results. Also, filing a sexual harassment complaint can put a target on someone’s back and make them more likely to be fired or not promoted in the future, so many victims do not come forward. If you were to use exclusively official reports, you would not get an accurate picture of the frequency of low-level sexual ha…
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 02:55 AM
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You can’t expect most of the guys here to be particularly intellectually honest, since their primary motive is defending their ideology, rather than having a nuanced understanding of reality. Sorry that happened to you, by the way.
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 02:40 AM
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Mallard drakes and the males of some other ducks species who force copulations on females are males who are already paired. It’s a misconception that it’s unpaired males who do that. Unpaired males spend all their time looking for a mate.
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 02:23 AM
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And what do you deserve? Women and normies behave the way they do due to their genetics. You are undesired because of you genetics. So don’t you deserve to suffer as well?
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 01:56 AM
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I’m trolling you She does look really young though.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:51 AM
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\ mfw I’m in Somalia
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:50 AM
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Lol
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:46 AM
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Random people: hey man when did you start finding this girl attractive Nonce: the second she turned whatever the legal age in your country is
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:45 AM
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I’m sure
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:43 AM
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I don’t even need to cope. She’s pretty, but she doesn’t “mog” adult Audrey Hepburn.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:41 AM
1

And for how many years has she looked like a woman to you?
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:40 AM
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Facially, objectively, she has a young look. Do you not know what baby face is? Slightly farther apart than average eyes, smaller, narrower jaw, small, upturned nose, a bit of a larger forehead, small, round chin, etc. She definitionally has neotenous features. Pointing to her as an example of a mature looking teenager is so fucking funny that it feels like a troll. Plus she just turned 17, so she is actually young on top of looking younger than her age due to her features. I looked at her most …
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:38 AM
0

cope
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:30 AM
1

She literally has baby face. She looks younger than she is, and she’s already young.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:29 AM
1

Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:25 AM
1

Yeah lol cuz she’s an adult
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:24 AM
1

Grace Kelly mogs
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:23 AM
1

Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany’s? Or Audrey Hepburn at her middle school graduation party? Nonce lol
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:18 AM
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Did you just learn about her existence?
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:16 AM
3

The Life of an In-Denial Pedo: sees 14 year old: wow she’s so hot, I bet she’ll be hot until 40. girl turns 20: ew god she looks old. Well, that was probably a fluke. sees another 14 year old: “wow hot. Bet she’ll look hot forever” girl turns 24: wow she literally became a decrepit old hag. Maybe she smokes or something. sees another 14 year old: this is the one
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:13 AM
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Guys attracted to a young-looking teen girl: “Shes the most beautiful WOMAN I’ve ever seen!” Those same guys the millisecond she turns 20: “wow she really hit the wall.”
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:01 AM
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No. But I suggest you get a sex doll. There are ones designed for guys with your interests.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 06:51 AM
2

Average schizo response
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 06:42 AM
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They do insofar as it impacts their ability to successfully marry
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:55 AM
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Just say you like kids
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:54 AM
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Incels: w*men who have had casual sex should be publicly executed. I would rather die a virgin than betabuxx for some disgusting post-wall roastie. Also Incels: I can’t understand how women can bring themselves to lie to their current partner about their sexual history.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:46 AM
1

Why don’t you go post your pictures on a gay subreddit?
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 12:46 PM
1

Wtf am I being downvoted? Can you seriously say that you find Queen Latifah genuinely unattractive? Don’t make me lol.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 05:19 AM
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I don’t disagree that black women are less likely to be chosen on dating apps, but there are so many actually r tarded professors in the world, so this doesn’t mean much.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:46 AM
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literal bottom tier woman that no man would want to have sex with
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:37 AM
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Yeah she’s fucking hideous I can see why no man would want her Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:35 AM
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Queen Latifah, the rich, very attractive woman with a very optimal fat distribution who is moderately overweight? Wow. That’s shocking Literal worst fucking example.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:33 AM
1

That’s so arbitrary.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 03:26 AM
1

Hm, maybe.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:59 AM
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Omg. Way to completely ignore a very straightforward argument. Sexual orientation is an integral factor. The fact that someone receives opposite sex attention is irrelevant if they are same sex attracted, and vice versa. By your own logic, all straight men should be ecstatic that gay men want to fuck then.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:56 AM
0

Not even.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:53 AM
1

Lots of light skinned women still have dark-coloured private parts, though.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:39 AM
1

The actual definition of sexual harassment is broad, so I don’t see what the issue is. Also, lots of science relies of self-reported data.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:33 AM
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Men will sexually harass a fucking dog. Heck, they’ll sexually harass a pool vent. Doesn’t mean much. If you’re literally only female attracted, how is your life better because men notice you? It’s like saying that straight men are fine because there are gay guys who would fuck them (100% true statement). Ugly lesbians are genuinely screwed and have the worst of all worlds. If you have nothing else, you at least have physical strength.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:32 AM
1

Not gigachad.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:28 AM
1

I would go so far as to say that the pretty boy aesthetic would be harmed by being as tall as 6’4”. 5’11” - 6’1” would probably be optimal.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:27 AM
1

Turbo bluepill
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:23 AM
1

Are you extremely weak? Are you sexually harassed and sent unsolicited dick pics? Lesbians also make up like 1% of the population. It’s everything men have to face and worse.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:22 AM
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Did you even read the post? The entire point is that she has basically all the disadvantages of being a man and a woman combined
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:17 AM
1

when
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:10 AM
1

How, practically, would they determine the frequency of sexual harassment without conducting a survey? The study involved asking a number of specific questions about the type of experiences the participants have had. You can look at the study and see the breakdown. If you want to dismiss a portion of them because you assume that it is simply women interpreting every form of touch from a male colleague as sexual harassment, feel free, but there are a large body of questions that are not vague eno…
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 01:54 AM
1

So, no science can rely on self-reported experiences?
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 01:40 AM
1

And that number used to be much lower in western countries. Also, there are plenty of countries where the majority of doctors of women. Heck, in Italy, 36% of neurosurgeons are female. It varies massively across time and place. You keep looking at this exact moment in time, presumably at the US, and acting like that is able to somehow give you perfect insight into human biology. Is it because you think the US is the “most free nation” or something?
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 12:23 AM
1

Do they know that you’re straight?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 11:59 PM
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First of all, lol. Nurses are responsible and accountable for mistakes, and there is a hierarchy of nurses, with head nurses who manage other nurses. And lol again. I said “these fields,” referring to jobs in medicine (doctor, vet, nurse, etc.). Why bring up fucking firefighters and fisherman? And, believe it or not, non-white men were still considered men.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 11:54 PM
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So, according to you, all jobs have the sex ratios that they have due to biology, and women are the majority in nursing and veterinary care, women tend to disproportionately take on a caregiver role for both children and adults in need in informal settings, women have commonly been healers in historical societies (medicine women), and so on, and they are biologically inclined towards all those things, but not being a doctor specifically? Surely, that’s the same cluster of interests? What makes b…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 10:29 PM
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You do realize that there is a subject component to “violated someone’s dignity” and “a hostile…..offensive work environment,” right? How is it “garbage” to use self-report data in light of that?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:58 PM
1

Why don’t women need to work as much?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:55 PM
1

Yes, because I gave up after literal months of sitting next to him every day and constantly flirting with him only for him to ignore me or cry due to being offended. I wish I had been more mature at the time and just been direct, but I wasn’t. Now it’s too late. I live in a big city so I’ll probably never see him again.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:37 PM
1

It’s almost like words develop different meanings over time
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:34 PM
2

Why not try to make it at least somewhat even? How about 10bil vs TeraChad looks + whatever dick size men want + 6’4” + gets perfectly toned without any effort Do people not know what 10 billion fucking dollars is?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:30 PM
2

Do you not know what averages are?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:27 PM
1

You’re just so incorrect. Obviously there are people that are more commonly considered attractive, but to say that the vast vast majority of women have hyper-specific tastes, such that it’s virtually impossible for the majority of men to find a woman who is genuinely sexually attracted to them, is a ridiculous assertion.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:41 AM
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You’re a guy, and friends with 30 women who go to clubs and talk to you about their sexual interests? Where did you meet them?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:37 AM
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“No one cares” The point I’m making is that if you’re arguing that it’s biological, but vets are literal, actual animal doctors, how does the biology argument hold up. Surely it’s more natural to want to heal humans than fucking dogs and shit. Yes, certain types of men were discriminated against. What’s your point?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:37 AM
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Sample size?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:34 AM
1

Sure, but lots of women love various unattractive guys with weird quirks. Plus, it does show that there is probably someone out there for a lot of guys who have given up.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:33 AM
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Yes. Yet he would literally be rated a 3 by most people’s standards. So women are able to be physically attracted to non-Chads, which is my entire point.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:25 AM
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Most women do like charismatic guys. I happen to like just how he carried himself, and how he spoke when he did speak. I mostly like guys like that. And I was mostly attracted to him physically. Obviously I didn’t know his personality that well.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:12 AM
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It can’t be determined definitively either way, obviously. And what have women “gone into depth” with you about? If they’ve discussed things to a certain extent, it was likely not the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:10 AM
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About what? Assuming that he hasn’t had an in-depth conversation with a woman? Women overwhelmingly do not discuss sexuality with men, especially non-partners. So statistically, he hasn’t.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:06 AM
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5’5” at 170 is bordering on obese.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:04 AM
1

In theory, but since unhappy, dysfunctional families are more likely to divorce, it’s difficult to determine whether or not they would have been better off if they had stayed together.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:48 AM
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Which aspect of my argument was stupid? Are you suggesting that the only form of discouragement that could lead to a sex disparity in anything is one that is violent and physical? That is well established to be false. Also, your math doesn’t exactly add up. If a larger proportion of med students are now female, and it is due to them being of immigrant background, but the assumption is that of those not from immigrant families, more men than women wish to practice medicine, the proportion of wome…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:43 AM
1

Conversely: arranged marriage, possibility of child growing up in hole where parents constantly fight due to hating each other and getting scarred by that. Wtf? Meat and alcohol? What a weird thing to bring up. It’s clearly correlative but not causative. Arranged marriages are common in India (lower rates of red meat consumption) and Islamic countries (alcohol is disallowed)
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:27 AM
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My cousin just got married to a guy who would be genuinely considered sub4 by bp standards. And they’re both independently wealthy due to stonks so she’s not doing it for the money.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:22 AM
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My first ever crush was a 5’4”, 180lb, Philippino nuclear autist who barely spoke and had crippling depression. He literally didn’t even understand that I was flirting with him because of low self-esteem + autism + being male. I’ve seen shit like this from women more times than I can count.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:19 AM
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I borderline wish it was rare. It honestly isn’t. I’ve seen women swoon, genuinely swoon, over some extremely ugly guys (with dogshit personalities to boot). There have been guys I’ve been attracted to who I could consciously tell were actually hideous by any reasonable standard, but who I still found highly desirable. The heart wants what it wants, and it’s just not at all uncommon for women to actually be sexually attracted to conventionally unattractive men.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:14 AM
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And it’s not even that I disagree with the idea that males and females on average have different interests and skill sets due to innate factors, it’s just that being a doctor has to be the absolute worst choice to support that argument.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:09 AM
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Also, the number of female doctors globally has been increasing incredibly quickly since the 1970s (wow big surprise, I wonder if there were any social factors which discouraged female labour participation before that decade). The majority of med students are now female, and the majority of veterinarians are already female, which is literally just a doctor of animals. It’s difficult not to lol at your belief that it’s actually solely biology that has decided the current proportion of women in me…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:07 AM
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“The only reasonable explanation.” Ok. Believe whatever you want.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:03 AM
1

And what makes you think that non-arranged marriages are less harmful to the person, their family, etc.?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:01 AM
1

The thing that’s stopping me from doing opiates is decidedly not social pressure.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:59 AM
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And of all things, thinking that women don’t want to be doctors because of biology is fucking hilarious. Aren’t women supposed to be the nurturing and affiliative ones, who love helping others and making them feel better? But they don’t want to be doctors because of their biology. Lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:54 AM
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In ancient Athens, being a woman physician was punishable by death. In England in 1540, Henry VIII founded the precursor to what became the Royal College of Surgeons, and decreed that women cannot practice. Medical schools regularly turned away women, and the first women to become a doctor in the UK did so by exploiting a regulatory loophole. Women founded their own hospitals because they were not hired at male-run hospitals, lol.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:50 AM
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I’m not even sure why you’re asking me what made the post worthy of posting “if this, that, etc.” The point is that it is overwhelmingly believed on this subreddit that women literally have zero sexual attraction towards “non-Chads.” It’s a very black-and-white perception of the world. And simply incorrect.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:52 AM
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That being said, it’s actually 19% of neurosurgeons who are female globally, and it’s rising, as is the case for many high-status professions. It’s almost as if women have been systematically excluded from medicine for centuries, and the only reason that nursing is even seen as an acceptable female career path is due to the insane fight by Florence Nightingale to make it so
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:43 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:37 AM
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Of course, it’s literally impossible for a woman to be attracted to such a man. Since you know this for a fact, those are the only two possibilities. Of course, if you are in fact incorrect about that? that would make your conclusion flawed as well.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:32 AM
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https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/female-surgeons-nhs-sexually-assaulted-metoo
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:28 AM
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It isn’t “intriguing” to me. You’re the one who thinks it doesn’t happen. How do you feel about it? Just immediate denial that it’s anything but a betabuxx situation?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:21 AM
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Have you, though?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:11 AM
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And, as I’ve mentioned in the past, directly to you I believe, I have been attracted to a guy of a very similar weight and height as the one in the post. So, from personal experience I know that it is something that at at least occasionally happens.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:07 AM
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Yep. Also, one of us is a woman who has had many female friends, and one of us is a guy who has never had an in depth conversation with a woman, and likely never will be privy to one, since it’s exceedingly rare for women to discuss things like this with men in any detail. Unless he is exceedingly wealthy, it is rare for a woman to enter into a relationship with a guy she has literally zero attraction towards, especially when in her 20s and not yet looking to have children.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:01 AM
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You’re assuming she’s not attracted to him
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:55 AM
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Is it betabuxxing if a man and woman have a fwb for 5 years, and on one occasion the man buys the woman a $2 coffee?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:05 AM
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Lmao. So you consider it buxxing regardless of the female partner’s age and sexual history?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:00 AM
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Age relatively young, probably not making that much + betabuxxing is generally understood to be a couple who marry in their 30s after the woman spent her 20s having casual relationships, so even if he makes money this is not really betabuxxing.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:57 AM
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5’5” borderline obese 23yo (not betabuxxing) with gf
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:44 AM
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That’s a literal movie.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:18 AM
-1

Please don’t swarm the OP.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:09 AM
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The blackpill has 2 main schools of thought when it comes to the appearances of men and women: either the distribution of attractiveness is roughly equal in men and women, such that everyone has a looksmatch, or that men tend towards being less attractive, owing to female mating preferences, and therefore, there are a larger number of attractive women relative to the number of attractive men. With both of those possibilities being taken into account, how is it that 5/10 women are able to consist…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:48 AM
1

The study that popularized the idea of the “gender equality paradox” has been heavily criticized for its methodology. You can look up critiques. They’re pretty damming.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:36 AM
10

Be yourself
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:28 AM
1

But 6’3” average face mogs 5’2” model tier face
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:21 AM
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All other factors controlled for, of course taller guys are better off. I’m not at all attempting to suggest otherwise.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:20 AM
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5’10” model tier face mogs 6’3” average face.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:19 AM
1

Also, he probably isn’t that fucking tall, he just looks tall next to the microscopic Thai girl
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:15 AM
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But youve never seen the inverse, average height + high tier face getting swarmed?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:14 AM
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Lmao Average height + 10/10 face mogs average face + 6’5” infinitely.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:12 AM
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Jaw, eyes, nose, etc. He’s facially barely above average. You guys are just looking at his height and build.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:11 AM
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First off, facially, he’s not really Chad. And second, if he didn’t need to geomaxx, how did he suddenly find himself in fucking Thailand? Lmao. Yeah, he just got up one day and decided to go to Thailand for no reason, then just happened to meet a woman there who he then got into a relationship with. Lol. Also, “Chad” and “Alpha” are distinct phenomena. It’s “Alpha” to leave your wife and kids, as per Redpill doctrine, whereas it’s not inherently “Chad” to behave in any particular way, when defi…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:05 AM
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They could be considered distinct, but there’s still overlap. And even if you ignore pure physical attraction, even to virgins sexual chemistry, like sexual preferences, libido, etc, will be important for enjoyment of the relationship.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:58 AM
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So, a 50year old geomaxxes in Thailand and this is proof that “Chad always wins”? Really?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:36 AM
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Lmao. Are you seriously suggesting that a lack of previous sexual partners will allow two people to be sexually attracted to each other, regardless of who they are?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:15 AM
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Is it delusional if they can actually receive that kind of treatment? You loathe women, so I doubt you would be willing to even remotely defer to them, but there are plenty of guys who are more than willing to.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:06 AM
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Why randomly bring up gender studies and working as a barista, and then compare that to college educated men as a whole, who are statistically more likely to have a better paying job in a more respected field? People, both men and women, tend to care about education to the degree that that field in which they were educated is actually respected socially. A man with a philosophy degree working as a fry cook is really only marginally more respected, owing to the fact that anything related to femin…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:04 AM
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Depending on the country and region, options can still end up being very limited due to social factors. Acting like they are looking at the full breadth of potential partners is pretty disingenuous. Also, how are they to determine the degree of sexual chemistry between the two of them, as a third party? Also, many people seem like a good match intellectually on paper, but don’t work well together in practice.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:50 AM
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I party agree with this and partly disagree with this. Certainly looks are central. I will not entertain a relationship with a man to whom I have no sexual attraction, but personality is always the deciding factor for whether or not I pursue the relationship. Take 2 identically attractive men. Once I start talking to them, my attraction can either grow massively, or it can dwindle to practically nothing based on perceived intelligence, respectfulness, apparent desire for a short-term vs long-ter…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:35 AM
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The satisfaction derived from not second guessing the decision to marry your partner (perceiving it as settling) is just one small aspect of the enjoyment of a relationship. There’s also sexual chemistry, intellectual chemistry, emotional chemistry, sexual compatibility (physical and psychological), and more. If you have a narrow selection of partners to choose from, who have been handpicked by your family for primarily social and financial reasons, there is a much better chance that the partner…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:27 AM
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Sure, that certainly seems like a possibility, however, a sense of satisfaction is not the only relevant factor when deciding how enjoyable a relationship is.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:18 AM
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If you ignore the relative stigmatization of divorce and/or separation in countries with and without arranged marriage, I guess it might seem that way.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:05 AM
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To be fair, aren’t the mostly “stable” due to social pressures?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:04 AM
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Also having multiple wives was completely legal in China for millennia.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 08:00 PM
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Literally any Muslim majority country? Really? Polygamy is (EDIT:) halal (Couldn’t remember which term was which)
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:58 PM
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If you restrict your analysis to Roman citizens, yes, most men were married, but they generally also had female slaves. Non citizen males were likely often not reproducing. And arranged marriages and such are not incompatible with polygyny. It was common in Muslim countries historically, and up to today, for men to have multiple partners.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:57 PM
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Though I know erect length from my mother telling me.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:34 AM
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Yes, I’ve seen both my parents nude.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:33 AM
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Keep reading manosphere stuff. I’m sure it will help you get into a great relationship. Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:24 AM
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By the way, my father is 5’5”, 4-4.5” dick, completely fucking broke, and he’s been with over 100 women, probably due to goated facial genetics. So, it’s not over for you.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:04 AM
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Facial surgery, ffs.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:00 AM
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Except for all the advanced civilizations that did and still do practice polygamy.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 05:39 AM
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First of all, none of this is an even remotely new development. Second, guys punching each other is hot to most women, not off putting.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 05:38 AM
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Yet it is a qualitatively different experience. If anything, you’ve only supported my argument.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 03:20 AM
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Feel free to actually use that tool as opposed to simply pretending that you did lmao
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 05:11 PM
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Lmao. I c
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 05:09 PM
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Yup, female sexual preferences are a totally modern invention.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 04:28 PM
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Why don’t you get surgery with all your money? Is that getting cucked as well?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 04:17 PM
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Keep enjoying your traumatic brain injury
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:46 AM
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Lol. Out of genuine curiosity, are you being serious? I truly can’t believe that you actually believe this, as in, you very clearly come across as trolling.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:44 AM
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Nice strawman of feminism, very impressive, must have taken you so long to come up with that super original strawman. And to answer your totally non-rhetorical question, i in fact never said that women are not capable of starting fires with sticks. It’s quite apparent that they are.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:33 AM
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Really, it’s difficult for you to imagine men on average having more knowledge and familiarity with wilderness survival?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:57 AM
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And men will fantasize about swimsuit models. Life goes on.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:46 AM
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It’s almost like, if people have more camping and fishing experience, they’ll fare better when they have to camp and fish.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:43 AM
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I also come across as attractive and charming irl. Yet, you’re currently on the anti-natalist subreddit trying to convince people that the d0gp1ll is real.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 06:58 AM
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I’m going to be totally real: you make me seem mentally well by comparison. That’s supremely fucked up. Are you sure that all you have is autism? Have you ever been given a full psych eval?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 06:33 AM
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It’s a pretty common belief of the guys on this subreddit that western women are going to be using them for their money as well.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 05:53 AM
1

Most guys don’t care, as long as they get the sex. There’s a reason prostitution has existed for as long as it has
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:29 AM
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“Using sex as leverage,” otherwise known as pimping yourself out, is extremely emotionally taxing for most women; it’s a huge trade-off. Which of course you couldn’t possibly understand because you view sex from a male perspective, which is exactly my point.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:22 AM
1

No.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:13 AM
1

K
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:12 AM
1

Eating chocolate is enjoyable, but do you think it’s truly comparable to sex? Similarly, “lots of sex” as a woman, and “lots of sex” as a man are completely different experiences.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:12 AM
1

How is a guy more of a cuck if he’s paying for OF when he has a gf, vs doesn’t have a gf?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:10 AM
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If it’s simply a matter of you seeing OF subscribers as cucks, you could have just said that instead of dancing around the issue.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:06 AM
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You don’t really explain how a guy paying for porn would be more likely not to have sexual prospects than a guy watching free porn. Rather, you take it as self-evident. It probably just reflects sociosexual orientation and doesn’t have any bearing on relative likelihood of achieving irl sexual relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:05 AM
1

So how would it be more over for a guy paying for porn than a guy watching free porn?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:02 AM
1

Lots of guys with gfs still pay for OF. I just don’t see how paying for something you want and enjoy makes it over for you. That’s arguably the least over thing.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:49 AM
1

Because of the emotional satisfaction of knowing the ability to perceive it is contingent upon payment, and thus highly restricted relative to free porn. It’s tapping into the “provisioning in exchange for sexual exclusivity, or relative exclusivity” instinct that is endemic to all pair-bonding species. A woman who does it for free is just auto less appealing to men.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:44 AM
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be me go to store buy something tfw I realize I’m a cuck for spending money return thing leave job and city to live in woods
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:36 AM
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Lmao. People paying money for things they want = over
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:34 AM
1

It’s over for people who purchase a house instead of digging a hole in the ground and living in that
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:32 AM
0

It’s over for people who buy food from the supermarket instead of just eating rats and dandelions.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:30 AM
-1

Unfortunately no. I don’t see how paying for things you want makes things “over” for you.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:26 AM
1

women don’t consider men who give them money to be sexual viable How did you even reach this conclusion?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:25 AM
1

This guy is either trolling or so dumb he cannot follow a basic discussion. Either way, there’s no point in interacting with him.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:23 AM
1

Porn has always been popular for men. Look at shunga ukiyo e, for instance, or lewd illustrations and then photographs during the Victorian era. Women spend money on makeup. Is it over for females?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:19 AM
1

I’m not saying he wouldn’t, but that’s still not Chad/Tyrone-tier.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:45 AM
1

Lmao. Have fun watching porn
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:41 AM
1

Lmao. No, actually, I did get the win I wanted. If you’re either trolling or this regarded, I’ve won.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:38 AM
1

How can you win or lose something like this? Are you regarded? Do you think that there are objectively correct and incorrect morals?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:35 AM
1

It’s as easy and as difficult to argue against as any logically consistent moral stance.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:31 AM
1

Sorry to disappoint you, but there’s no such thing as mind reading. Either way, feel free to confirm or deny the obvious
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:17 AM
0

It’s almost like that sentence wasn’t the only one you wrote.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:13 AM
1

High tier normies get people interested in them. That doesn’t make them Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:09 AM
2

read my mind Lmao is that what we’re calling basic literacy now?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:07 AM
0

“Yawn”? You might as well say what you mean. Why not?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:57 AM
0

I am a man and I support men want women to suffer as much as possible Fixed it for you.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:54 AM
1

Doesn’t matter to who?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:26 AM
1

Lmao your standards for what qualifies as Chad are so low. 6’1” + 6/10 face + autism + black in the US + Reddit user = high tier normie.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:18 AM
0

A 6 facially is enough to make you Chad/Tyrone? Really?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:58 PM
0

So just… doing or thinking anything while considering the existence of women makes you a cuck?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:48 PM
2

Haven’t you said that you’re like a 6 facially?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:44 PM
1

Since when? Why is AFBB always the gold standard around here right up until it conflicts with an attempt to make women look bad?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:18 PM
1

Most women do not love, nor are attracted to “serial killers, pedophiles, and rapists.” Probably a roughly equal number of men and women actually find themselves fetishizing the people who have been convicted of these crimes in real life. And it’s a relatively small number.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:35 PM
2

How can a conversation about statistical facts be had without empirical evidence being a component of that conversation? I never said your source was “biased,” just that it’s contradicted by the majority of literature on the topic. Methodology probably plays a role in that.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:30 PM
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The implication here is that ugly women don’t get raped, which is untrue. It can’t exactly be a self-compliment if it’s not contingent upon a woman’s looks.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:26 PM
2

There are also men who love psychotic women. What does that prove?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 07:14 PM
-4

What’s narcissistic about it?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 07:04 PM
1

I’m just referring to the fact that there are a lot of studies that effectively contradict your claim. Are you familiar with them?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:46 PM
2

Should I assume that you are familiar with this body of literature as a whole?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:35 PM
1

Really? You truly believe that a negligible percentage of the people who self-identify as Incels have these desires? Or are you trolling?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:22 PM
2

Out of curiosity, would it be disrespectful for the husband to gain weight?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:18 PM
1

Wait, lmao, are you seriously suggesting that u/lonelycyberangel is unattractive? Holy shit cope harder
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:17 PM
1

Like what?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:13 PM
0

Getting into a relationship doesn’t mean you need to suddenly make big changes about yourself Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:12 PM
2

women on average overrate themselves Source?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:11 PM
-1

Why envy a completely different experience from that which you desire? Do you believe that sex for men and sex for women is even remotely comparable?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:06 PM
1

So when you were talking about Chad seeing “them” as a semen repository…
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:34 PM
1

Are you suggesting that women innately dislike having control?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:29 PM
1

Are you suggesting that only attractive men can be stupid and clumsy?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:25 PM
-2

How is feminism ruining women’s options?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:23 PM
1

Are you suggesting that women don’t organize and change things? What’s feminism?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:48 PM
1

Do you really think that claim is realistic? That it’s the wives of these men who want “more and more money”? Could it really not possibly be that, gasp, men also like and want money?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:44 PM
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“Fleecing men” = asking her biological father for money and being honest about what it is for, then receiving it. RatDontPanic: why don’t you unblock me if you want to respond to my shit
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:31 PM
1

Oh, I read it wrong. Okay, yeah, nvm
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:37 AM
1

Your mind is so fascinating. Wanting to have sex is not incompatible with a desire to be loyal. You didn’t even say you saw a girl try to cheat. It was literally her boyfriend she said it to. Where’s the lack of loyalty?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:27 AM
1

But what’s wrong with it being true?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:22 AM
3

If only it were as easy.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:58 AM
1

Why did this cause you trauma? They’re in a relationship, right?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:53 AM
1

There’s literally no reason to assume in either direction, so for you to so confidently state that she must be lacking a responsibility and discipline is absurd.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:46 AM
-2

There’s no reason to assume that this woman lacks a sense of responsibility or self-discipline. How did you even come to that conclusion?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:16 AM
2

It’s called autism
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:15 AM
1

I think that’s what he wants.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:38 PM
1

He is literally a guy who constantly makes fun of women’s appearance.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:35 PM
-3

What a literally psychotic assumption. Touch a single blade of grass. It doesn’t even have to be fresh.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:34 PM
1

“Men are confident and assertive, women are bitchy and shrill” You can do it in the opposite direction as well.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:28 PM
1

Why are you painting the uneducated attractive man as a serial monogamist who tries and fails to make long term relationships work? And why are you implying that only this educated guy with a good job could attain a high n?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 06:54 PM
2

Are you suggesting that a true Chad is one who doesn’t sleep around? Again, that seems kind of antithetical.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 06:02 PM
0

Perhaps, but does that pretty much fully defy the traditional definition of a Chad, which is pretty much entirely looks based?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 05:17 PM
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What does this have to do with being Chad, though? It shouldn’t be relevant.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:58 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:52 PM
1

I think it’s reasonable to argue that top 3-5% is Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:27 PM
1

Why are you bringing college major into it?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:26 PM
1

That probably won’t happen for a while.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:19 AM
1

I prefer women with more rounded faces, tbh
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:17 AM
1

Yeah, I know.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:14 AM
1

By those standards I would be a Stacey. I thought men didn’t like more defined features in women.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:08 AM
1

This doesn’t exactly demonstrate that all these women engaging preferentially in hookups are feminists, which was what the argument was. Also, nothing about women preferring bad boys. The original study that concluded that has some of the worst methodology I’ve ever seen. Most studies show that women prefer nicer guys for short and long term relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:47 AM
1

You can send just the nose, no need to selfdoxx
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:46 AM
1

There’s just no way that the women on true rate me are as pretty as this girl.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:45 AM
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I don’t really think eye colour is able to genuinely enhance a person’s looks. I’m bisexual, and I thought the first girl in the video was by far the best looking, despite having “plain” colouring.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:37 AM
1

Okay…
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:28 AM
1

No they didn’t. What traits?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:10 AM
1

Can you send pics? I’ll give you an honest assessment.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:09 AM
1

Don’t get your nose done.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:06 AM
1

Huh. Odd.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:53 AM
1

Why do you regret getting it?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:51 AM
1

I wouldn’t touch the profile.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:48 AM
1

Elaborate upon your answer, if you care to.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:46 AM
1

Wait, so you think those girls are plain, but the women you sent me you think are model-level attractive?? I think the first girl here is so pretty and cute.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:41 AM
1

Everyone has their fantasies.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:35 AM
1

There are also men who complain about not being able to find a submissive housewife. Do you expect that everyone should have realistic expectations?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:33 AM
1

Who is “they”?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:30 AM
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I think you’re mixing up 2 different types of women. Where are you getting this idea that all women are so sad that they can’t get Chads commitment?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:28 AM
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Feel free to post your citations
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:18 AM
1

That would probably be the majority of women, yes. But then there are also a large minority (roughly 20% of the pop, give or take ~5%), who are mostly interested in short term relationships and hookups. What about wanting an attractive partner is unique to women, though?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:10 AM
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I don’t think this is representative of all women
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:07 AM
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Who claims to care? I mean, everyone wants an attractive partner. For long-term relationships, women probably care about as much as men about having an attractive partner.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:04 AM
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Making each point half a standard deviation could work, imo. Or even 1/4. Just as long as almost no one would score a 1 or 10, because those are generally used to mean very extreme and rare forms.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:58 AM
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In my eyes, a true 10 would be exceedingly rare. They can’t have just one desirable trait, that’s not enough. Of all the guys who are 6’4”, what percentage of them have well above average facial features, attractive body proportions, are a healthy weight and fit, etc.? It’s a multiplying effect. And don’t even get me started on the ridiculousness of your definition of 2.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:57 AM
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Everyone is born with their relative value. Men’s capacity to “earn” their value is innate, so therefore as inborn as anything.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:53 AM
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From an evolutionary perspective, that’s not really necessary. I don’t think most women who have a truly open sociosexual orientation care much about “sharing.”
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:49 AM
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Yes, more than anything. I didn’t have a chance, though, but I still wish I’d tried.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:48 AM
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For short term relationships, there isn’t really any need for competition between women, since even high-quality sperm is abundant, so I fail to see how this is true.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:45 AM
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Then literally 1 in 100 people would be 10s. No one uses 10 like that. Plus, that would make a 2 20th percentile, which, again, no one uses 2 to mean.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 09:31 PM
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Well, there’s no true objective rating, but approximately how they come across on average, yes.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 09:08 PM
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For the first one, around 5 is probably accurate, people were lowballing that a bit. Second one was, imo, very low balled, I’d say minimum 6. Third one was pretty spot on with 5. Fourth one, I mean there was only one angle, but I’d say that was pretty low balled as well, again, 6.5 up to a 7 would have probably been more accurate.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 09:03 PM
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No, Im not short. I’ve never had any issues.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 08:57 PM
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The point is that she’s having his kids, as opposed to Chad’s, which for her is a compromise. Isn’t the main issue that blackpilled guys have with women that they’re going to cuck them? Like that the kids won’t be yours? If they actually are, what’s the issue? It seems like you’ll find any reason to loathe women.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 08:55 PM
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Well they’re having sex if they’re having kids. Do you think she’s exclusively doing in vitro? And if kids aren’t a reward in and of themselves for you, why not just run off and join a monastery?
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 08:51 PM
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By the way, “waist training” isn’t really a thing. The effects are never permanent.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 04:10 AM
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I’m not going to post examples, especially when a lot of women do photoshop their photographs, and you acknowledged that very fact. I myself have a much smaller waist, and I’ve known women irl with similarly small waists.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 04:08 AM
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I don’t disagree that there tends to be a general consensus, but there is still a substantial amount of between-person variation in rating.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 04:06 AM
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Not necessarily, though. That’s a subjective assessment. Average is literally the most average looking person. You could think the average person looks gorgeous or ugly, but it’s still the objective average.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:59 AM
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That’s not true at all about waists. Lots of women naturally have smaller waists than that. “Eating normally” for different people means very different things. Just eating as much as you feel like can lead to you being a healthy weight, or clinically overweight or underweight. To say it’s “normal” is kind of irrelevant when it comes to determining a healthy weight.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:58 AM
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2 people didn’t rate 4th as highest, actually. And the relative ratings need to be considered as well, you rated 4th a full point higher than all the others, whereas most people rated her the same as at least one other woman there, and in many cases multiple, which I think is more accurate.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:56 AM
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She doesn’t have a narrow waist at all, and she doesn’t seem to have the lowest WH ratio of the bunch either. She’s not so thin that she’s dying or something, but she is definitely well on the thin side. Over all she’s quite thin relative to the other women; just look at her legs.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:45 AM
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Well lots of girls that could easily be considered pretty are still very close to average, so might be accurate.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:42 AM
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I mean, you can assign percentiles to the different scores. It’s ultimately arbitrary what you choose, but some models might be more convenient or intuitive than others.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:35 AM
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When did I say that? I was disputing the opposite, that the most attractive woman shouldn’t be the really thin one. It’s unusual to find extreme weights attractive. And attractive based on the fact that I’m very attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:34 AM
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I don’t mean based on the person rating, I mean relative to the total population. So, percentiles. For example, rating someone as being in the 75th percentile for attractiveness means that they are more attractive than 75% of the population.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:31 AM
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He’s not. Click the picture to see the last guys face. He’s the least attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:29 AM
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7, 5, 5.5, 5.5, 6, 4.5
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:28 AM
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I’m actually very attractive. I’m a mentalcel.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:26 AM
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Almost all of them are old.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:15 AM
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3.5, 6.3, 4.5, 5.5, 3.5
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:14 AM
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Also, when you said female, did you mean “femcel”?
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:07 AM
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No, Im not. I’m literally clinically underweight right now, so I’m definitely not going to try to lose weight. I just think a measuring tool is worthless unless it quantifies attractiveness relative to the rest of the population.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:06 AM
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This is insanely useless as a measuring tool. Try quantifying it.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 02:36 AM
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For which woman? All of them? Not really. There’s moderate consistency. I’d be happy to calculate it, if you wanted.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 02:28 AM
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Maybe it’s because you’re on Tinder, which is primarily used for hookups. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but are you suggesting that you’d rather castrate yourself than have to get married to attain a sexual relationship? Or just if you make it to your 30s?
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:59 AM
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What is your rating system? How have you standardized it?
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:41 AM
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So, a 6 is someone who is more attractive than ~84% of the population, so someone who is on average the most attractive person in a group of 5. A 7 is someone who is more attractive than ~95% of the population, so most attractive out of 20. And an 8 is someone who is more attractive than 99.7% of the population, so most attractive out of 300.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:34 AM
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Would you agree with these ratings? https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/Elt8XxC07O
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:26 AM
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More like 15%, and with low musculature. Facially, all those women are pretty much the same level. A 7 is exceptionally high. If using standard deviations, then 68% of the population is between a 4 and a 6.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:03 AM
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By how much? I’d say it’s 50/50. And also how do you even think she has the best body? She’s borderline anorexic. And before you say “it’s perfectly healthy,” I struggle to gain weight so I know what a healthy weight looks like, and what underweight looks like.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 11:18 PM
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I think there’s a lot of subjectivity involved. You probably disagree with your fellow men more often than you think.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 11:11 PM
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I just found it interesting that you considered the most attractive women to be the thinnest (almost underweight), and rated her very highly, despite her not being the most attractive facially.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:53 PM
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Delusional
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:40 PM
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Wtf are these ratings? Are you literally just looking at their bodies?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:40 PM
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https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/88/2/865/2235342
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:25 PM
1

You tell me
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:17 PM
1

So cherry picked red pill podcasts. Got it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 09:51 PM
0

Where? The “hot bod” part?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 09:45 PM
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But your claim doesn’t necessarily follow from these findings. For instance, women who perceive themselves as more attractive highly prefer sexually dimorphic traits in a partner. Consistently preferring the traits does not necessarily mean that they are highly preferring them, as per the definition of “highly” used in the study. Most people consistently prefer sexually dimorphic traits in a partner. Can you confidently say that the degree to which the average woman prefers sexually dimorphic tr…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 09:41 AM
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Encouraging an increase in demand for sex work increases the likelihood of more women getting dragged into the industry by pimps eager to turn a profit. Prostitutes have higher rates of PTSD than literal combat-exposed soldiers (after adjusting for likelihood of experiencing PTSD by sex, rates are about the same) and the percentage of women who wish to leave the industry but don’t have a viable alternative seems to sit at around 90%. Also, average age of recruitment into prostitution is around 1…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:23 AM
2

I’m curious myself to see what they consider the threshold for “unacceptably fat.”
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:01 AM
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I think it’s variable, but probably the majority of guys here would, yeah.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:00 AM
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I’m a woman. I’m not an incel. I’m just here for the “discourse,” if you can call it that.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:43 AM
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Yeah, I’m sure most guys here are pretty average looking.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:37 AM
-1

Why?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:24 AM
1

Could you send me a link to a study that supports that?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:58 AM
1

That women overestimate their relationship value.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:32 AM
1

Aren’t you in your 30s?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:32 AM
1

Again, is this true statistically? Do you have empirical support for the idea that this is a widespread phenomenon, or are you just basing your understanding on a few viral videos?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:31 AM
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Do you have empirical support for your claim that women are worse judges of their appearance than men? Because all the research on that subject that I’m familiar with shows that men are actually worse judges than women on average.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:06 AM
1

I would feel safe in assuming that the desire you mentioned is not as unconditional or unresponsive to environmental factors as you seem to believe.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 04:52 AM
1

How is it detrimental to society?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 04:31 AM
1

I’m just curious about your sample size.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 04:28 AM
1

You’ve still failed to demonstrate how it is irrational for women to choose to remain single.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 04:11 AM
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I’m just curious. You were the one who said you were making rape jokes.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:48 AM
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What do you think is so irrational about women choosing to remain single if they don’t like their options? I already explained how a lowered birth rate is probably a net positive for humanity, so it’s not like procreating is a sacrifice for the greater good. If the desire to not be in a relationship they don’t want is greater than their desire to pair up, what’s the issue?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:47 AM
1

So you were overtly sexist to all of them?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:42 AM
1

You were directly racist and sexism towards all of them and they still slept with you?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:40 AM
1

By delusion, do you mean women avoiding getting married because they don’t like their options? Or what?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:37 AM
1

And how many times have you actually tried this?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:35 AM
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I don’t even recall you bringing up low birth rates earlier. I don’t really see how low birth rates are a negative, especially in the long run, considering how much environmental damage has been done for the sake of increasing Earth’s carrying capacity. Our current high population is unsustainable. If anything, if birth rates were to continue to increase, that would probably be more likely to cause outright societal collapse. Additionally, many species reduce their reproductive frequency when th…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:34 AM
1

I’m asking you to restate the question more clearly.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:24 AM
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I’m not even sure what you’re asking. Can you reiterate the question in reasonable detail?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:23 AM
1

What about being outright disrespectful?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:18 AM
1

What evidence do you have that supports the idea that women attaining casual sex makes them believe they are more attractive than they are?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:17 AM
1

What rules to you break?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:05 AM
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You start by saying that men will not feel attraction towards a woman unless she first displays attraction towards him, then suggest that men will be turning down women who are not “sufficiently attractive,” even after those women have made a move? How does this work?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:57 AM
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https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1158369222/molnija-3602-ussr-pocket-watch?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_ca_en_ca_b-jewelry-watches-pocket_watches&utm_custom1=_k_EAIaIQobChMIlZ3iqs2wgQMV0kdyCh2rHAVEEAQYASABEgJ0lvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_319627365_51086186587_230547443682_pla-318956358182_m__1158369222enca_102855400&utm_custom2=319627365&gbraid=0AAAAADutTMd_cJ37yyvFOAiG2TK-PTTnG&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZ3iqs2wgQMV0kdyCh2rHAVEEAQYASABEgJ0lvD_BwE
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:32 AM
1

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/164492651/blue-quadri-modern-cuckoo-clock?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:30 AM
1

Also, what in particular draws you towards clocks? Is it mostly the mechanics, or the general nature of them? The aesthetic, perhaps?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:28 AM
1

Tell us about clocks. What clocks do you have?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:25 AM
-6

Why always jump to this ridiculous extreme. he’s probably just a high-tier normie who works out, which isn’t even remotely in the same category as TeraChad. Thinking about the guys I’ve seen women cry over, they were honestly mostly normies.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:20 AM
-3

Still not coping.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:17 AM
-12

Not necessary for me to cope about this. Also, hot bod isn’t facial attractiveness, is it? Isn’t facial attractiveness sort of a prerequisite to be a fucking TeraChad?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:16 AM
1

*citation needed
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:13 AM
1

Might as well make it 1:10.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:11 AM
-12

So, just assuming that he’s a terachad. Lmao. You don’t even know what he looks like, nor her. They could be looksmatched for all you know.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:06 AM
1

They also did a woman version, btw.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:01 AM
1

Also, lmao You: writes another essay Also you (at end of essay): lololol have fun wasting your time writing another essay, get this, that I’ll never even read. Betcha feel like you’ve wasted all your time now, huh? Me: skims the essay. Barely reads it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:40 AM
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Should* *for the sake of your own mental health Again, nothing to do with morality. It’s like saying you should use RO water for a saltwater aquarium (if you want it to thrive, which you presumably do). No moral argument present. I’m sorry that you can’t understand the very basic distinction I’ve laid out. Broadly, working towards an optimistic worldview (something that takes time and effort for those it does not come naturally to) can be beneficial because, due to confirmation bias, you are abl…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:38 AM
-2

Wow, more cherry-picked ragebait. Cool.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:26 AM
1

Don’t suggest a prostitute.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:20 PM
1

Lol, starting?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:18 PM
1

Buy one of those robotized RealDolls.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:17 PM
1

It’s mental gymnastics to point out that I wasn’t making a moral argument? Lmao. First of all, I was speaking more broadly than you seem to think I was. As you can see, I wasn’t comparing a man who had children that weren’t his, and recognized it, with a man who had children that weren’t his, and who was intentionally deluding himself. I was comparing a man who avoided marriage altogether for the sake of avoiding that scenario with someone who took the plunge and was screwed over but fully didn’…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 10:58 PM
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Why are you equating wrongdoing, a moral judgement, with personal happiness? Those are completely different concepts. If you re-read my post, you’ll see that I never stated that any behaviour was or wasn’t moral, like for instance, I never said that it is moral for a woman to cheat on her husband as long as he doesn’t find out. To answer your question, morality is not objective, so if your moral compass is entirely centred on material harm done, and zero material harm is done by something, then …
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 09:46 PM
1

Where is this even coming from?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 09:37 PM
1

So just a compilation of a bunch of women who say they’ve cheated. Probably leaving out all the women who said otherwise. Very scientific. I’m sure you couldn’t do something exactly like this but with men.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 08:23 PM
1

Why are you commenting this here?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 07:54 PM
1

Assuming you were asking, practically speaking, yes, it’s only about 3 days a month. The true fertile window is a bit wider, but the chances of pregnancy are so low on those peripheral days that they don’t really function as such. And this is reflected in women’s sexual appetite, which is generally much higher on those 3 days leading up to ovulation.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:54 AM
1

Are you asking me?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:32 AM
2

Lmao, have you forgotten what subreddit this is? C’mon.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:22 AM
1

I have never disagreed with the idea that definitions are ultimately arbitrary but are constructed for practical reasons. I’ve said that multiple times. You can literally look back at my responses, and you will see that I never said otherwise. Which is why there is nothing technically incorrect about considering non-binary, or demiboy, or whatever, to be distinct genders.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:38 AM
1

Yet it’s pretty materially apparent that unattractive women can still sleep with attractive men. You can say that all you want, but it doesn’t change reality.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:33 AM
1

Irrelevant. You’re making massive assumptions about what has the potential to induce the downfall of “Western civilization.” I strongly suspect that global warming or some kind of bloody revolution owing to extreme socioeconomic stratification are more likely to be primary causes.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:32 AM
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Sure, you could, in theory, define the word human however you wanted, but humans are considered a species, and the most universally accepted species concept, and the one considered the gold standard, is the biological species concept, which dictates that two organisms are of the same species if they can reproduce and produce reproductively viable offspring. If human becomes differently defined in the future, perhaps the boundaries of it will change. Gender, on the other hand, was previously some…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:12 AM
1

That is ultimately an arbitrary determination, though.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:41 AM
1

You do realize that societies with highly skewed male reproductive success existed in the past and were apparently quite stable?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:35 AM
1

…..okay lmao
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:32 AM
0

Of those women who are unable to get a guy they are interested in to commit, many will likely just not get married.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:30 AM
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It is “a” goal, but as you might have noticed, it is a goal lots of women are willing to forsake if they fail to attract a desirable suitor.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:22 AM
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I fully agree with everything you’ve said, these definitions are arbitrarily constructed, and are done so for practical purposes. That is the only reason any delimitations between things are made, ever. So how is this different from constructing a category of non-binary and considering it a third gender?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:13 AM
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Did you even read the article I sent? Species, or subspecies, are delineated.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 12:43 AM
1

The idea you’re putting forth isn’t without president, however. Take “ring species” as an example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 12:23 AM
1

How does this claim contradict human biology?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 12:00 AM
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You do seriously not realize that by making all these arguments you are literally contradicting yourself. If someone displays a blend of masculine and feminine traits, it makes as much sense to consider it a separate third gender as it does to consider any of those other things you mentioned to be distinct.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 11:58 PM
3

That’s deluded. Do you seriously think that there isn’t a single Chad that could work her into his schedule?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 11:55 PM
1

That doesn’t change the fact that green wavelengths are intermediate in length between blue and yellow, and that there is no clear cutoff point for what constitutes any of those three colours, effectively meaning there is no distinct form that constitutes green. Similarly, an intermediate form between masculine and feminine could be defined as a third gender.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:12 PM
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Are you suggesting that a fat older woman couldn’t cheat on her husband with a Chad? That’s pure copium. She’ll cheat with an older Chad. It happens all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:04 PM
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Sure, yes, but most “alternate genders” are more or less defined as some combination of male and female. Saying that there are only 2 genders is like saying only blue and yellow exist, and green isn’t a colour in its own right.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:04 PM
1

I suppose it depends on how you define it. I mean, colour is a spectrum yet individual colours are delineated.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:35 PM
1

Why are you even trying here lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:29 PM
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First of all, women are only fertile for around 3 days a month, so of course they aren’t going to be as horny on average. Second, I would say this analysis doesn’t see the forest for the trees. The main reason women are able to be pickier is supply and demand related, but mostly related to the relative abundance of sperm. I’ve gone over this before. If women do not require provisioning by a partner, they are going to be less incentivized to take a long term mate who could be deemed their “looksm…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:53 PM
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That being said, there’s probably material truth to the claim that gender is a spectrum. Many people display sex-atypical traits and could be said to be not perfectly aligned with masculinity or femininity.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:49 PM
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I think it’s safe to assume that this isn’t a representative sample.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:46 PM
1

Assuming this is true, I guess because historically the cost of cheating for women would have been greater than for men (getting killed by partner and/or having children killed vs partner being upset and maybe leaving them, but probably staying out of need for resources) and the fact that among the more attractive couples, there is more of an evolutionary incentive for men to cheat than women, since a woman married to an attractive man already has access to high quality sperm, and can’t increase…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:44 PM
2

Yes
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:41 PM
1

Could you send a link for that?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:40 PM
-2

Yes, I know what he’s saying.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:50 PM
0

A lot of women do actually enjoy hookups. There have always been promiscuous women, even when female promiscuity was much more stigmatized. And some women being upset that they can’t get attractive men to commit because they themselves are unattractive is not a new problem. The fact that promiscuity is involved is largely tangential.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:49 PM
1

I feel like you could have just said competition for a man. Since high value is relative anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:45 PM
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Why even say “high value” there? What does it bring to the sentence? How about just any man they are competing for and not necessarily a high value (which is relative anyway) male specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:19 AM
1

I don’t really have a racial preference. I knew 2 GigaChads, one Korean-white, one Japanese-black, but I think their race was just a coincidence.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:27 AM
-12

Are you going to elaborate?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 03:54 AM
1

*(it’s brunet and blond for a male) Light hair in general is seen as unattractive by women. Light brown and blond are both way lower tier than dark brown or black. Just because a guy is attractive while having light hair doesn’t mean it’s actually improved his appearance. A lucky combination of traits Jayden easily SMVmogs an “Aryan” Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:58 AM
1

Sorry, is this a troll?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:40 AM
1

How are you arguing that “Aryan” Chad SMV mogs any other Chad when Aryan is pretty much inseparable from blond? Blonds are p much universally reviled by women.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:38 AM
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I don’t know, maybe.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:26 AM
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The one area where white guys mog is facial hair. A lot of East Asians struggle to grow a beard. But this is offset by the fact that white guys are more likely to have light-coloured hair, which is known to be seen as less attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:21 AM
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Possibly. But not that many East Asian men are outright facially feminine. They’re still noticeably male.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:18 AM
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Facial masculinity past a certain point doesn’t improve attractiveness, and the results of some studies suggest that it may actually reduce facial attractiveness at extremes. Basically, past the point where sex is discernible, it doesn’t really seem to provide many benefits, aside from enhanced direct competitive ability.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:14 AM
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I know of one that focuses on men specifically, I’m trying to find it. I believe it demonstrated that attraction to blue eyes is frequency dependant to some extent.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:04 AM
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00266-011-9793-x
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:02 AM
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I’m white myself, so not coping. Why are blue eyes intrinsically superior?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:54 AM
-22

Do you want to expand upon that comment? Are you suggesting that she would be better off with fewer freedoms?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:49 AM
6

Also even thinking white guys are intrinsically better looking is cope.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:45 AM
1

Also even thinking white guys are intrinsically better looking is cope.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:45 AM
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The reason that geomaxxing is successful is because of the socioeconomic leverage it gives you. Japan is the literal worst East Asian country for that.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:44 AM
1

I guess some women try to avoid public transport or more secluded routes home, but it isn’t to avoid all non-Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 12:23 AM
1

You’re making such a massive assumption, how can you not see that?
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 09:42 PM
1

And I just explained how it literally isn’t. What daytime spaces are women avoiding?
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 09:40 PM
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So, not wearing makeup, and not dressing up is going out of their way? I would argue that not putting effort into one’s appearance is in fact the polar opposite of going out of one’s way. Have you considered that women actually don’t care that much in either direction? Women avoiding going out at night is a completely different discussion, and I’m not even sure how you could even begin to equate the two.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:40 PM
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I’m not talking about cold-approaches as a sub8, I mean just regular, platonic interactions with men at school, work, employees at stores, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:28 PM
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I feel like it’s almost narcissistic to assume that women are going massively out of their way, to the point of inconvenience, simply to avoid interacting with 90% of the male population.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:26 PM
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Are you basing this off of your real life experiences, or blackpill rhet? Because this is simply untrue.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:20 PM
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Everyday platonic interactions with random strangers. Women could not feasibly avoid 90% of men in their day to day lives.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:58 PM
1

On average, yes, so when a guy is both tall and healthy, he exhibits exceptional genetics. That is what a handicap is
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:45 PM
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Height is a biological handicap. Organisms that remain healthy in spite of a handicap have exhibited exceptional genetics. It’s not simply a matter of being able to win in a fight.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:32 PM
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I think it can be presumed that stabilizing selection has been occurring for neurological characteristics that influence iq for a while now.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:24 PM
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“Before we accept the conclusion that people do not understand something as fundamental about themselves as what they want in a partner, and before we dismiss conventional wisdom based on decades of evolutionary theory and research, we should consider alternative explanations for why self-report data on partner preferences may be inconsistent with behavioral data on relationship initiation. One such alternative is that the types of relationships intimates are considering when they self-report th…
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 08:02 PM
1

Lord. Rip.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:57 PM
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That’s not how research or academia, or any aspect of science works. The entirety of a study’s results are not completely undermined by the acknowledgement of studies with contradictory results. Of the two of us, it seems like you are the one who is desperate to find support for your worldview. I, on the other hand, am not emotionally invested in this subject, contrary to your assertions. I simply wish for the blackpill to be as backed up by science as possible, and your claim is simply not that…
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:56 PM
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May I ask how old you are? I’m just curious.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:52 PM
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No. It isn’t. You think that because you are not familiar with academia. The reason they put that statement likely has to do with the fact that they have theorized that speed dating is more reminiscent of short-term mating, and so activates a short-term mating strategy in women, expectedly attenuating the difference between men and women’s prioritization of partner appearance. In a long-term context, which is what this study focused on, the results are to the contrary.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:50 PM
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This is from the “Results” section of the study: The results of this analysis are presented in Table 3. As can be seen, objective ratings of wives’ attractiveness were significantly positively associated with initial levels of husbands’ satisfaction and not significantly associated with changes in husbands’ satisfaction, indicating that husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained that way over the first four years of marriage to the extent that they had an attracti…
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:46 PM
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Have you spent a lot of time in your life reading studies? I find it hard to believe that you have. I have repeatedly explained this to you, to no avail. The reason that the results are considered inconclusive is because you need a very large body of research to draw conclusions from. A single study is insufficient. You can find innumerable studies that make that statement. The thing to look at is whether or not the results of the study supported the hypothesis. They did.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:42 PM
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Did you look at any of the studies that did not support your preconceptions?
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:39 PM
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I’m seriously trying and failing to comprehend how you are able to so completely fail to understand what I am asking of you. Where, in either of those two provided quotes, did it say that the results of the study did not support the hypothesis? I want to understand how you’ve come to the conclusion that you have adequately demonstrated that.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:38 PM
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Which studies did you look at?
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:34 PM
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Neither of those males reference to the findings of the actual study. Due to how many contradictory results there are in behavioural science studies, it is the overwhelming norm to add sentences like that in the conclusion section. I asked you to show me where it said that THE RESULTS OF THAT STUDY IN PARTICULAR did not support the hypothesis. You have failed to do so.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:29 PM
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I’m not referring to sexual attention here. Men are more willing to make accommodations in everyday life for better looking women. Cumulatively, that makes a huge difference across the lifespan of an attractive, vs an average and unattractive, woman.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:06 PM
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I never suggested that it did, only that it contradicts the assertion made by OP, which is that women care the same amount about physical appearance.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:03 PM
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Lmao. Please show me a full quote where it actually states that the results of the study don’t support the hypothesis.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:54 PM
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I was “inferring” it, huh? Lol.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:46 PM
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That means the results of this study contradict the results of the speed dating paradigm. That means that the results of this study support the alternate hypothesis. So I am correct. The results of this study support the idea that men value partner attractiveness more than women. The results of some speed dating studies conclude the opposite, that there is no difference between men and women in terms of preference for partner attractiveness. Speed dating seems to elicit a more short-term strateg…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:45 PM
1

If you look at that quote closely, you’ll notice that I never refer to this conversation as a formal debate.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:39 PM
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The quote provided states that “it remains unclear” whether the phenomenon is a constant. This is due to the literature being mixed. Nowhere in the entire paper does it state that the results of the study don’t support the alt hypothesis.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:35 PM
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Utilizing pathos and attempting to reduce opponent ethos are not disallowed in debate. This is not a formal debate. I have never once claimed that it was.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:32 PM
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It is very rare for scientists to say things like “prove.” You would know this if you were academically literate. The results do, however, support the alternate hypothesis.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:26 PM
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It isn’t, but if it were what I did (point out opponent error) would not be considered an ad-hom.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:24 PM
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The quotes you provided acknowledge that the literature is mixed, not that that study in particular did not support a greater male preference for an attractive partner. Nowhere in the entire study is that stated. If you include speed dating paradigms, yes the literature is mixed. If you look at every other type of study, the majority of results support a greater male preference for an attractive partner. Do you disagree with either of the claims I have just made?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:21 PM
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Do I have to remind you again that this is Reddit, not a moderated debate? And again, pointing out an opponent’s error in an effort to undermine their credibility in the eyes of the audience is perfectly acceptable in formal debate.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 10:00 PM
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I never said there was, merely that this study in particular supports greater male preference for attractiveness (that is what I said, and you’ve shown me nothing that contradicts that claim). As do a number of other studies that don’t utilize the speed dating paradigm. Feel free to look at them all, a huge number of them were cited in that study.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:58 PM
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Being unfamiliar with a topic doesn’t necessarily imply lesser intelligence. However, it is highly relevant to your credibility, which is central to debate.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:53 PM
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This isn’t a formal debate actually. I agree that me informing you that you come across as borderline r**d doesn’t necessarily negate your points. I just like doing it. And, no, you didn’t. The results of the study supported greater male preference for attractive partners. Those quotes refer to the fact that the literature contains mixed results.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:51 PM
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I was directly criticizing what you said, actually. Absolutely no debate moderator would consider pointing out someone’s repeated mistake in an area directly relevant to the debate topic to be an Ad-hom.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:45 PM
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I asked for a quote that states that the results of this study in particular do not support the hypothesis that men value looks in a long-term partner more than women. You are incredibly academically illiterate to think that these quotes do that. The reason that “it remains unclear” is because there are other studies that support the alternate hypothesis. Mostly this is a question of short term vs long term relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:43 PM
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Not an ad-hominem when it directly suggests that you are unfamiliar with the subject you are discussing. Where? Quote that section.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:29 PM
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Elsewise, you can quote the section in that study where it says that its results don’t support the hypothesis that relationship satisfaction is more strongly predicted by partner physical attractiveness for men than women. I would love to read that part and be proven wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:24 PM
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First of all, you made the spelling error more than once, so I’m going to assume that you actually thought that was the correct spelling for it, which implies that you’re not very familiar with academia. Second, the fact that the study mentioned that the question has not been definitively answered is because there are other studies that support a different conclusion. This particular study does in fact support the idea that men prioritize partner physical appearance more than women.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:20 PM
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Yeah, I agree that it’s ultimately easier for women to procreate, I just don’t see that as the ultimate deciding factor for enjoyment of life.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:09 PM
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It’s “peer,” not “pier,” holy shit, you don’t even know that. The results support the hypothesis that partner physical attractiveness is a more relevant factor for men than women in long term relationships. And, again, there are a number of studies linked in that study that support both positions, you can take a look at those. If you want me to find more that I personally consider particularly relevant to this discussion, I will, but it may take me a while.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:07 PM
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Desire and suffering are the same, according to some belief systems. If you let go of your desire for procreation, you probably wouldn’t be so miserable, since it’s pretty immaterial for the average guy. If you really like kids, that’s different, but again, most guys don’t.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:58 PM
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Women’s value is also decided by her appearance. Men treat better looking women way better, are more likely to give them more and sacrifice for them. This is obvious if you’ve ever been outside. Be real.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:51 PM
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Why is reproduction the be-all end-all here? Most guys don’t even fucking like being around kids. What, just the idea that you’ve procreated is the deciding factor that makes your life enjoyable?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:47 PM
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Quote: “As can be seen, objective ratings of wives’ attractiveness were significantly positively associated with initial levels of husbands’ satisfaction and not significantly associated with changes in husbands’ satisfaction, indicating that husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained that way over the first four years of marriage to the extent that they had an attractive wife. Objective ratings of husbands’ physical attractiveness, in contrast, were not significa…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:44 PM
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“Proved the opposite”? Where and how did it do that? And if you want to take a look at more studies on the topic, there are a ton that were cited in that study. I’m not going to hand-hold you for this.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:43 PM
1

Again, not with certainty. This is a complicated topic, there are many angles to it.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:42 PM
1

“Special.” Lmao. There is ample evidence to support the notion that men, relative to women, prioritize physical appearance for both short and long term relationships, though the difference is more pronounced for LTR. You can believe whatever you want, but when the overwhelming majority of studies on the topic point to that being the case, denying it makes you look willfully ignorant. And I’m not even saying it is true or not. Ultimately I don’t know that. What I do know is that most studies conc…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:35 PM
2

Of course the results were inconclusive. That’s true for the vast majority of human behavioural studies.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:30 PM
-1

This is a direct quote: “Most importantly, a direct test indicated that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ satisfaction than predicting wives’ satisfaction. These findings strengthen support for the idea that gender differences in self-reported preferences for physical attractiveness do have implications for long-term relationship outcomes.”
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:29 PM
0

Did you just read the first fucking paragraph? That’s the intro. Did you read the summary of the actual study?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:28 PM
1

Let me know if that’s enough or if you want more.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:20 PM
4

Here’s one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4011637/
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:19 PM
2

Sure. Give me a bit.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:18 PM
0

Just tons of studies showing women are less likely to consider men who demonstrate mental traits that are not to their liking (as opposed to men who tend to not care as much), greater likelihood of them becoming more attracted to men as they get to know their personality, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:10 PM
-6

There actually is quite a bit of evidence to support the idea that women care more about personality than men. That doesn’t mean that personality can completely override looks for women, just that on average, women do tend to put more weight on non-physical characteristics.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:07 PM
-3

Keep in mind that this isn’t exclusive to men. Women suffer similarly.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:03 PM
1

Evolutionary psychology does tend to have a pretty low replication rate. That’s not to say that blackpill is wrong (it obviously isn’t) but please don’t just assume any given finding in the field of evopsych is solid.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:02 PM
-1

Exactly. I think a lot of people who try to argue that female mate choice is maladaptive fail to recognize this.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 07:56 PM
1

And please stop calling them “innie vaginas.”
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:28 PM
1

So, it’s just a sort of combined effect owing to the size and prominence of the labia majora vs labia minora?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:22 PM
1

I’ve never personally seen that. How would they be large but not visible?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:11 PM
1

But the labia were visible, right? It seems like nobody here even understands how female genitalia works. Sometimes labia sort of “scrunch up,” and look small, but they are clearly still external and if you stretch them out they are fairly large. During certain times of the month, hormones can cause them to “de-scrunch” and extend, since they fill with blood. So, essentially, the same woman can appear very “small” and the “large” within a single month. If you’ve been with that many different wom…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:07 PM
1

Why do people keep saying “innie”? Jfc. Do you just mean small? The only people who have “innie” labia have some form of intersex condition.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:00 PM
1

Do you realize that labia majora are the ontogenic equivalent of the ballsack? You arguing that most adult women don’t have visible labia would be like me arguing that most adult men don’t have any loose scrotal tissue.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 04:04 AM
1

As I said, it’s common for porn stars to get surgery. If you are disagreeing with the assertion that the majority of adult women have visible labia, I don’t even know what to say. It would be an unbelievable coincidence that every woman in your entire life who you are familiar with the genitalia of has just so happens not to have what is the overwhelming norm for women. I suspect that you’re either outright lying, or the photos you have been using don’t accurately depict what you actually consid…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:56 AM
1

Well, okay, I’m sure there are women like that, but in my experience the phenomenon is practically nonexistent. Most women have visible labia as adults.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:47 AM
1

And she was an adult?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:45 AM
1

And you’re white? You’re from a white community?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:43 AM
2

What country are you from?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:43 AM
1

Do you not realize that I have no incentive to interact with you if you act like this?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:42 AM
1

2 adult women you’ve seen in person barely had any labia except for a very thin strip? That is exceedingly hard to believe, and it definitely isn’t the norm unless you are from a country where female circumcision is routinely performed.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:40 AM
1

On adult women you’ve seen in person?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:37 AM
1

Please stop being dumb as fuck for one second. Seriously, how old are you?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:36 AM
2

“Innie” “vaginas” (labia) aren’t a thing. They’re always external. If you mean very narrow labia, yes there are adult women like that, but they are exceedingly rare. If you mean pornstars, they’ve probably gotten surgery to look like that.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:35 AM
1

No, I literally don’t. I don’t care about “hurting” you by being honest. This is a pill subreddit.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:32 AM
-7

Do you realize that you’re basically asking her whether or not she’s prepubescent?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:32 AM
1

I don’t know.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:30 AM
1

I don’t know. If it causes you to behave in ways that are seen as unattractive by women, then yes, probably.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:28 AM
1

What’s your point?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:05 AM
1

Lmao. Are you suggesting it’s the same phenomenon exactly?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:58 AM
1

No.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:50 AM
17

“Why are all men the same?” Equally dumb question.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:46 AM
1

Okay then. So just be patient.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:37 AM
1

Okay. What got you into that situation, though?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:02 AM
1

Well if you’re struggling to get into a relationship, there’s probably something wrong with you.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:52 AM
0

Are you sure you’re not high functioning autistic or something?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:44 AM
1

I’m curious what rate you would consider to be common for cuckoldry. Of course evolutionarily there are multiple motivations for pair bonding behaviours, but generally, a man’s motivation for marriage is dependant on his relative ability to regularly attain casual intercourse. More attractive guys take longer to “settle down.” Familiarize yourself with r/K selection theory. There’s no such thing as “objectively fat.” There’s objectively obese, which some people are, since there are firm guidelin…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:42 AM
4

When do I not? Perhaps you’re mistaking me for someone else. I’m blackpilled myself. If I questioned a factual claim, that’s different.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:37 AM
1

What about mentally?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:18 AM
1

To be fair these guys wouldn’t be that good looking even with hair.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:02 AM
1

Maybe your genes aren’t as good as you think.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:00 AM
1

The guy I was responding to seems to think it’s a good thing to be that way. Though I disagree that you can’t do anything about it. There are probably ways to delude yourself somewhat.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:57 PM
1

You seem to be completely ignoring what I’m saying. You will be markedly less attracted to your partner at 50 than at 25. This is for biological reasons. No 50 year old woman can naturally conceive. They are functionally infertile despite generally still menstruating. There is not much of a reason for a man with a 50 year old wife to care that much about her on any level. Evolutionarily, it makes way more sense for him to seek out mating opportunities with women who are still fertile, which is s…
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:54 PM
1

Cuckoldry actually is fairly common, according to numerous studies. And I said “generally.” It’s not a huge stretch to suggest that guys who are able to fuck a new woman every day, or even every week, probably aren’t in such a rush to get married. Even guys who are moderately successful when it comes to getting hookups tend to not be able to achieve the regularity of intercourse that the average married man has. Marriage is the easiest way for the average guy to obtain a decent sex life. The min…
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:49 PM
2

In some cases I think it’s appropriate, but something like this is so close to common sense that asking for a source for it is like asking for a source that shows that water is wet. “Do people have more of a desire to have sex with more attractive people.” Really?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:42 PM
1

Okay. I’m sure they’re all super happy
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:58 PM
1

As long as they take care of themselves and have good genes. And even then they still won’t be nearly as attractive as they were. Heck, even most 50 year old men who took care of themselves aren’t that good looking. Do you honestly think it’s realistic that the average 50 year old woman will be even a 10th as appealing to you as she was at 25?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:56 PM
2

What was incorrect about any of that? Just because you’re unable to recognize reality doesn’t mean that those who are are lack sanity.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:54 PM
1

Oh brother.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:23 PM
2

I’d love to hear what I’ve said that you think is “insane.”
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:21 PM
1

Why don’t you find somewhere else to troll?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:10 PM
1

From your perspective, you’d have 4 kids who were just like you, physically and behaviourally, and one “odd-ball.” It’s not out of the ordinary for one kid to be “off” in some way despite being biological, so I can really see how this would impact your enjoyment of your children too much as a whole.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:09 PM
1

Okay. But if you didn’t know about it, and you had 4 biological kids in addition to the 1 non biological one, what’s the big deal?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:04 PM
0

You seem to be the one who isn’t “reading what’s presented.” I NEVER SAID THAT OTHER FACTORS DON’T PLAY A ROLE
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:59 PM
2

I don’t know what you think you’re proving here. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I don’t believe that partner attractiveness is the only factor, merely that it is a major one, especially for women.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:57 PM
1

Honestly, for the average guy, becoming aware of partner cuckoldry would probably end up harming him reproductively. If, say, his partner’s first child wasn’t his, he would stop being in a relationship with her, and would miss out on potentially having biological kids with her, whereas if he was none the wiser, he would be able to have his own kids with her eventually.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:43 PM
0

Do you really want to have women “keep popping out babies” until we exceed the our current carrying capacity? Is that really a smart move, do you think? Reducing global population somewhat is probably a good thing long-term.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:39 PM
5

When have I ever virtue signalled? Am I “all women”? Ffs. Most people virtue signal in one way or another. This isn’t a woman thing.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:33 PM
1

Yup, you’re a genius. It’s true, there are no evolutionary benefits to adjusting mating motivation in response to partner quality.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:07 PM
1

Well I guess if I haven’t that means it isn’t true.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:03 PM
2

This just fucking happened: https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/XfmfK8HBaN
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:00 PM
3

”Mind reader”? You asked for a fucking source for whether or not partner attractiveness affects libido.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:00 PM
3

I never denied that. It was you who was skeptical that literal partner attractiveness would be one of those circumstances. I was pointing out how ridiculous that skepticism is.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:55 PM
3

Am I dumb to assume that the relative attractiveness of someone’s sexual partner influences their motivation to engage in sexual acts with that person? I don’t know, you tell me.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:53 PM
23

Well low libido is real (hormonal factors unrelated to partner appearance can cause fluctuations), but yeah obviously partner attractiveness plays a big role in a number of dead bedroom marriages.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:52 PM
6

“Source?” Rofl. Are you kidding me? You acknowledge that libido can vary due to circumstances but then you need a source to confirm that partner attractiveness would play a role? Would it be easier for you to get hard for, and find the motivation to fuck, some vogue model or a hideous bog witch? This is so fucking basic, come on.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:50 PM
1

I never said that everyone is going to feel the same way, but “en général,” people tend to have similar reactions to the same ideologies. Congrats that your understanding of the world doesn’t make you feel any which way.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 07:38 PM
1

I never said that, but I have little sympathy for passport bros who get stiffed. If you actually thought a desperate foreign woman really loved you, that’s delusional.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 07:35 PM
1

In situations where the economy was heavily labour based? A lot of lower class women who could not have relied on their families would have needed to marry to sustain themselves.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 07:23 PM
1

I can’t condone supporting the sex trade. Most women who work as full service prostitutes loathe their work and would love to leave it, but don’t have better options. Rates of PTSD are unbelievably high among sex workers. And most married guys are having sex at least semi-regularly. Dead bedrooms are an exception, because most of the time they just lead to divorce.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 04:04 AM
1

I guess if you’re able to get hookups consistently, go for it. But men generally get married precisely because they cannot do that. Most married guys are having sex way more consistently than guys who exclusively hook up. Most guys would be proud of 10 hookups in a year, but that still means they literally only had sex 10 times over the course of an entire year.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 03:34 AM
1

Or just not make connections between things in the first place.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 03:27 AM
1

The Internet
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:56 AM
1

Also, more advice I can give is: if you come up with a good idea for a discussion when reading another discussion, just create a new post.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:55 AM
1

Well, I never said “none.” I said “most.” And far more male teachers have been convicted of pedophilia than female teachers, despite the profession being minority male.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:51 AM
1

Of course they are going to react badly to you trying to strip away their coping mechanisms. And yes, that unironically.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:48 AM
1

It’s Reddit, which tends to have somewhat higher standards for writing quality than other social media sites, since it’s primarily a discussion forum. I think most people here expect a degree of formality, and it makes reading what others have written a lot easier. My reason for bringing up iq, iirc, was that the guy I was responding to called me low iq once and so I started doing it to him in response, essentially to troll him. As for your writing style, excessive use of short forms and too man…
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:46 AM
1

No, Im not and never have attempted to paint women as virtuous. But it’s well established that women continue to be attracted to their aging partner, unlike men. And you read my post wrong. I said that husbands are fantasizing about 16 year old instagram models. Most adult women are not attracted to 16 year old boys. But “barely legal” is one of the most popular genres on porn sites.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:35 AM
1

A: no one asked B: you have an annoying writing style, and seeing as you are apparently over the age of 14, I recommend at the very least fully spelling out “you,” instead of using “u.”
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:30 AM
1

I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. To say that something is “just an ideology” and doesn’t impact how people feel is pretty weird. I think it’s quite a reasonable assumption to make that the ideology you carry with you can significantly impact how you see and experience the world, and those filtered experiences can then affect your emotional state.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:18 AM
1

Just reach Nirvana, bro
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:16 AM
1

Women tend to fantasize about their partners at the age they currently are. If you do get your perfect virgin wife and grow old with her, tell her what you’ve been doing. I’m sure it’ll go down well.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:15 AM
1

Well, if you’re so happy, why are you here? This isn’t a place for happy people.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:12 AM
0

Why are you on a pill subreddit, then?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:11 AM
1

Do you think that’s much better?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:10 AM
-2

Yeah but what good has it done you?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:09 AM
1

Sure, but your desire for your wife will always be finite. Do you think she’ll be happy knowing you still see her as a friend but constantly think about fucking younger, hotter women? Do you think that’s an acceptable consolation prize?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:07 AM
-2

Why?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:05 AM
1

You can’t help your instincts. Men marry women to have children. If women lose the ability to have children, there’s no incentive to desire them.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:02 AM
4

Meh, you probably could find ways to delude yourself still. Also why redpill not blackpill? If anything, I’d say redpill is as deluded as bluepill, just in different ways.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:01 AM
1

It’s still an opinion. Ask yourself what knowledge of truth has ever done for you.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:59 AM
1

Then enjoy your bluepill
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:57 AM
1

You won’t feel the same way about her when she’s older.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:54 AM
1

What’s 100% of your money worth of you’re wallowing for your whole life? Also, just marry a woman who works, then it wont be a full 50%.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:51 AM
1

2 possibilities, either you’re trolling me, which is what this looks like, or you are genuinely deluded. Either way, my point still stands.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:48 AM
1

And when she’s 40? 50? 60? Do you really think you’ll feel no different about her?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:46 AM
1

Yeah, exactly. Your point?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:45 AM
3

It takes amazing skill to spin this as you have. Are you suggesting that men don’t fantasize about other women when fucking their older wives? Not one post can ever paint anything other than men as the victims and women as the perpetrators. Reality isn’t like that.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:41 AM
0

Really, there’s no support for the idea that men prefer naive partners? Are you sure of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:09 AM
1

Yes I’m sure that most guys who date younger want a more mentally capable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:06 AM
1

Can confirm: I’m not normal
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 10:28 PM
1

My response to RatDontPanic (bro you have me blocked, why are you responding to me like we can have a discussion right now): We’re not even talking about generic value because then we would have to start a discussion about infrastructure maintenance and provisioning (betabuxxing). This is purely about smv. Males and females are kind of inverses of each other in this regard. Males, according to evolutionary theory, should always seek to mate with all females, and females should always seek the hi…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 10:12 PM
-2

Please cope harder.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 09:27 PM
1

you
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:36 PM
1

I said i was given one as a child, and then one later as an adult that wasn’t really an iq test, but was testing me for some specific cognitive function. Also, idgaf about having a discussion about the relative validity of various iq tests I was fucking memeing when I called you low iq.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:21 PM
1

Both.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:16 PM
2

Yes most people are totally stupid. Have you seen the state of the world?
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:16 PM
2

If this is too much to read, feel free to skip to the part where I mention that my tested score is actually much higher than his: https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/rqph56d4KC
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 07:30 PM
1

I’m arguing that it’s context dependant. In the absence of Chads, women’s standards would adjust. As I mentioned, it’s already been demonstrated that women’s standards are fluid and respond to quality of available males. That is to say, if some incel was the last man on Earth, he would start looking pretty good to most women.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:59 PM
2

I would argue that women’s desire for quality in a mate is equivalent to men’s desire for partner quantity. It’s infinite. It will expand to fill any space.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:54 PM
1

Untrue. It’s known that woman’s standards shift in response to average male quality. So high tier normies would become the new Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:48 PM
2

For example, if women were exposed to some lab grown nuclear teraChad, all typical Chads would suddenly look sub5.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:42 PM
1

I’m not saying that more attractive men aren’t more desirable, just that women’s standards shift in response to whatever the average and highest available tiers are. Thus, no inherent smv.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:40 PM
-1

No, because if all the Chads and Chadlites died off somehow, women would settle for fucking normies out of desperation, thus raising the normies smv. Similarly, if all normies and sub4s died, and the lowest tier of man was Chadlite, standards would rise and chadlites would become the new normies. Therefore, no inherent smv.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:38 PM
1

Why would it be more of a waste of time for you to send it if I didn’t read it with an open mind than if I did? You would win either way, and you seem to be pretty familiar with the studies so it shouldn’t take you long to find them online. So, what, 2 minutes to de facto win the debate. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. And don’t act like you’re trying to do me a favour when you clearly hate women.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:29 PM
-1

I would argue that no man has inherent smv. It’s entirely context dependant.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:24 PM
1

Still haven’t sent the studies
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:20 PM
1

You’ve completely derailed this conversation. I don’t even give a fuck about iq, I was just trying to get a rise out of you, since you seem the type to be really insecure about your intelligence. Why don’t you actually show me what studies you are using to draw conclusions about the world, so I can take a look at them and see how valid your arguments are.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:15 PM
1

If you wanted to teach me so badly, you would actually attempt to demonstrate the truth of your claims. Sounds to me like you’re the one more interested in simply winning.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:12 PM
1

God, keep coping.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:09 PM
1

One test when I was a kid that I don’t remember well, and one that was just visual pattern recog. It’s irrelevant anyway, since I fucking clearly wouldn’t score under 100 on any iq test. I mean, are you serious? Also, you still haven’t shown me support for your argument’s validity.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:07 PM
1

Lmao, under 100. My professionally tested iq is much higher than yours. I’d love to see what studies you’re working off of, though. Yeah, I highly doubt that after controlling for household income (averaged out across entire childhood) that children from single parent households have worse life outcomes. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 05:50 PM
1

Feel free to show me a study that demonstrates that children born to single mothers with an average household income identical to the average have worse outcomes. I would welcome the opportunity to increase my understanding of the world. As for why I keep calling you low iq, it’s because I know it pisses you off.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 05:28 PM
1

Can’t even control for household income. Someone’s low iq
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 04:40 PM
1

That’s certainly the reason given by a lot of Incels, although I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. And I’m not sure why you keep saying that. Those things are not mutually exclusive. Desire is infinite. You could just as easily say that men are settling by not being able to fuck every woman on the planet. It’s irrelevant to bring something like that up, since what I’m focusing on is partner appearance.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 07:14 AM
1

Do you expect me to respond to this tangent?
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:35 AM
1

Why even bring up men preferring a fwb? I was just talking about physical appearance. Incels are upset that any partner they could get would find other men better looking, but the same is true for them. Also, I would say that a lot of men wouldn’t prefer fwb, since, from a reproductive investment perspective (k/t strategies, etc.) if they are unable to get multiple sexual partners, it makes way more evolutionary sense to provision the one partner they do have, to maximize offspring survival rate…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:33 AM
6

Since when do you only criticize attractive women? You’re all often the harshest on low tier women since you think they should be settling for you instead of fucking Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:11 AM
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First of all, I never even used the term exploiting. “Taking advantage” is a neutral term. You can use it for anything, and lots of instances aren’t what most people would consider bad. You can, for example, take advantage of low prices on avocados during a boom year to start a guacamole business. This doesn’t harm anyone but it is taking advantage of certain circumstances. Your example is similar. You go to a cheap neighbourhood to take advantage of the lower prices there (though I hope you tip…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:02 AM
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Harems are not inherently polygynous. Learn the actual definition of words before you use terms like “quite literally by definition” in regards to them.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 05:46 AM
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Sort of.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 02:44 AM
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Sample size of?
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:28 AM
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Did they seem unhappy? Also, women have always slept around. This is nothing new.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:21 AM
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Don’t even understand this incoherent low iq response, but you don’t have to get married to have kids.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:19 AM
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“Im microscopic. Im crying rn because my cock is only 20” and not 50’. Everyone knows chicks will only fuck guys enthusiastically who are at least 40’ and weigh multiple metric tons. Why was I cursed? Time to LDAR.”
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:10 AM
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Why do you equate desire for casual sex with hedonism. I’m the biggest hedonist I know and I don’t have casual sex because I simply don’t desire it. It has nothing to do with self-control.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:04 AM
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That is not what a harem is, actually, “by definition.” Harem =/= polygamy. Those are separate concepts and one is able to exist without the other.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:01 AM
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There is a species called the superb fairy wren. In that species, cuckoldry is extremely common, and 70 of all young born are the product of it (95% of clutches contain at least one egg fertilized by a different male than the father raising the eggs). Every generation this occurs, so basically every generation 70% of males born are Chadlets. Yet it continues to happen time and time again. The average male just gets more and more Chad with each subsequent generation, but females still continue to…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 10:52 PM
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Report yourself first
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:21 PM
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U are
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:20 PM
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Who’s an edgy boi
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:20 PM
1

It’s obviously far less common for people to pity children women than men. Few people think that a permanent bachelor is miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:18 PM
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What way do men love women that’s so special?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 10:08 PM
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No one says this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:01 PM
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Men view women as incubators and holes, so how is it any different?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 10:00 PM
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Women being more and more interested in casual sex as men get more attractive isn’t “standards relaxing.” They would still prefer more and more looking guys if they got the option. Plus this is only looking at short term interest. If they were only exposed to really attractive men for an extended period of time, their standards would get higher. It’s a perfectly natural thing for women’s standards to rise the moment they get exposed to more attractive men, since they should always want the best …
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 09:55 PM
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There are a lot of copelords on this subreddit who like to pretend that any woman with a bmi over 25 is instantly hideous.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:41 PM
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Now, of course, you can not care about that. If all you’re interested in is having sex, it doesn’t really matter if the woman wants it too, but unless you have a forbidden city, if women really don’t like you and just want your money, they will cheat any chance they get.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:14 PM
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I don’t disagree that non-physical traits can increase the attractiveness of males, but let’s not pretend that most emperors were so desired by their concubines. It was common for the women to be taken as children or young teenagers forcibly from their families. They didn’t have a say. And while their lives may have gotten better materially (as in they weren’t in poverty) a lot still probably wouldn’t have chosen that life and didn’t find the emperor attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:12 PM
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I mean men who were admitted pedophiles. And yes, many pedophiles are good at concealing their desires.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:08 PM
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And re: “women’s pickiness disappeared,” yes women may have been more interested in being with the better looking guys, but that doesn’t mean that there wouldn’t be a reproductive skew among the more attractive men. Within the 90th percentile for male attractiveness, there are still substantially better looking guys than the average in that pool. So those top males (Giga and TeraChads) would have better reproductive success than the lesser Chads if women were allowed to choose whichever they wan…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:06 PM
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What even is this response? This doesn’t even contradict what I’ve said. I mean in species where standards are very high for mates, skewed male reproductive success continues to be common gen after gen. It doesn’t disappear after a few gens of only “Chads” fucking.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:59 PM
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Yeah I am skeptical that the majority of women, not bots but actual women, have low enough self-esteem that they would fuck a proud convicted pedophile because he was attractive. Maybe I’m bluepilled still, idk.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:55 PM
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I would agree that point 2 was wrong, but for different reasons. Historically, it was easier for men to get a partner because women required one for financial reasons. Now that this is no longer a case, a number of women whose former “match” is so reprehensible that the only worse alternative to being with him is starving to death on the street are no longer going to choose him, because they can just work to survive.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:52 PM
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What was the surgery, out of curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:43 PM
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Why would you assume that?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:36 PM
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Ew redpill. Cringe.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:35 PM
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making the gene pool less incel than it was before Not necessarily. That’s not really how female attraction works. In species like that the standards just then get raised for the next generation of males.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:34 PM
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Acknowledging a widely studied natural phenomenon is not “admitting” to anything. For many women this would be the optimal strategy, but I’ve oversimplified it for the sake of illustrating a point. In reality, since men do have a lot of anti-cuckoldry instincts, it ends up being fairly risky for women to attempt it, so it’s less commonly done than it would be if that weren’t the case.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:32 PM
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Because I’m the case of the foreign women, they don’t want to be with you, but they do so because they hope you will marry them and save them from poverty. If you don’t actually have any intention of doing so, you’re taking advantage of her desperation, which is cruel.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:28 PM
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And there are evolutionary reasons for this. Feel however you want about it, but the average woman’s attraction to her partner is contingent upon him being a provider in some respect, since it wouldn’t make sense to mate with him otherwise. Conversely, because of the initial investment by females reproductively, there’s no reason why the average man wouldn’t find his partner at least somewhat attractive. It would always make sense for a male to take any mating opportunity he can get, hence that …
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 06:52 PM
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What a weird response.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 05:00 AM
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You again fail to understand evolutionary trade offs. Women’s were historically prevented from accruing capital, so comparing modern society to historical power dynamics is worthless. These days, it makes more and more sense for women making a decent income to simply have casual sex as opposed to pursuing an LTR with a looksmatch, as I already explained. And a good percentage of women have 0 desire for commitment and don’t get upset about not receiving it from Chads. These are the women who are …
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:58 AM
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I actually want to expand upon my previous point about there being no real disadvantage to not having a provider when a woman can provision herself, and actually say that it’s probably an outright net disadvantage to have a man around last a certain point, because of the potential for domestic violence and other controlling behaviours that could cause her and her children to suffer reduced fitness.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:31 AM
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I already explained this. Either they got pumped and dumped by a high tier normie and not an appropriately high tier Chad (Chadlite for sub4s, Chad for Beckys, Gigachad+ for Staceys, God for Gigastaceys, etc) because the normie tallied about commitment (the woman would not have been with him if she didn’t think she would get commitment) They hide their ncount with Chad because he wants to feel like he has a 100% chance of impregnating her when in reality she’s probably fucking other Chads so his…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:22 AM
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What?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:15 AM
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Not inherently. It just makes someone look untrustworthy for LTR.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:15 AM
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I’m pretty sure I’ve told you a million times that I’m a virgin. I have an actual body count of 0 so I do t have to lie.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:14 AM
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But the prey wasn’t aware of their existence and didn’t want to get caught. Whereas lots of women who aren’t looking for commitment fuck Chad. So how are they prey?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 04:00 AM
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What does power dynamics have anything to do with this discussion? And I don’t even know what you mean by sexuality being “secretive.”
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:59 AM
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I just said you’re incorrect. There are studies that found that women are actually more off-put by high count for long term relationships than men are.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:57 AM
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You’re completely ignoring what I’m typing to support your preconceptions. I said that Chads do not get hunted because that makes no sense. But no, true Chads don’t need to do anything to get women. It isn’t exactly hunting if you’re just lying around and the prey is coming to you and killing itself for you. Another demonstration of the stupidity of your analogy.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:56 AM
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Lol did you get this from the primary literature (which btw completely contradicts this for LTR)?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:53 AM
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I never said it was? Women are not “hunting” Chads like prey. It is seen this way in many societies because most men are not Chads, and language is largely constructed by average people.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:52 AM
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That was incoherent. You clearly don’t understand my argument.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:51 AM
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You would literally learn this stuff in a Biology 101 course and you’re telling me I’m poorly educated lol
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:49 AM
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Lmao. You don’t even have a basic enough understanding of evolution to acknowledge the existence of fitness trade offs and context dependant mating strategies and you’re the one telling me I’m dunning krugered
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:47 AM
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Already explained all that shit. Just reread my replies.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:45 AM
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No, Im not. If you think that it’s because you’re too low iq to understand what I’m saying
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:45 AM
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Men don’t even confidently reveal body count when trying to get a LTR. Yes women who are socioeconomically unprecarious tend to be more inclined towards casual sex. At a certain point, if a woman can provision herself, it makes more sense to secure good genes rather than provisioning from a looksmatch
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:44 AM
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Lying about shit in order to coddle their instincts is not the same as believing the rationalizations for those instincts.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:42 AM
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Indeed. Doesn’t change the fact that women are not and cannot universally be prey for sex.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:41 AM
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What are you even saying? Type intelligibly
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:40 AM
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Are you asking me?
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:39 AM
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Can’t even defend the central premise of your argument that I’m refuting by pointing out the fact that women actually enjoy casual sex under certain circumstances and can evolutionarily benefit from it, completely unlike being shot and killed by a hunter, which would be something that would not be sought out by animals under any circumstances.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:37 AM
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Lol at thinking that being aware of the fact that men are insecure about body count due to mate guarding instincts is the same as thinking that the brain dead shit that men consciously use to rationalize their instincts is correct
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:34 AM
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Men can be prey. Betabuxx are prey. But there are plenty of circumstances where it is a net positive evolutionarily for a woman to simply get impregnated by Chad. You can’t generally say that about getting killed by a hunter.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:32 AM
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In reality, women don’t need commitment from Chad. They can get commitment from some sub8 and fuck Chad on the side. Also what is your rationale that both lions (Staceys) and rabbits (Beckys) are easy game for Chad? If you consider casual sex to be a successful hunt, obviously Chad would have a harder time getting casual sex from his looksmatch than a Becky. You need to be a terachad to consistently get casual sex from Staceys
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:27 AM
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Lmao at you forgetting that lying is a real thing
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:21 AM
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No I literally very clearly said that i simply have no desire for casual sex and literally would not give a single fuck about preserving my virginity if I actually did want to do it since lying exists.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:20 AM
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Low iq assumption about the causes of this observed behavioural phenomenon.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:19 AM
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Again, it is widely acknowledged by the incel community that under lower economic pressure, it makes more evolutionary sense for most (non-Stacey) women to simply procreate with Chad and raise the baby as a single mom. Therefore, even casual sex isn’t something that is necessarily a bad thing for women. And if you’re talking about just any instance of sex, and not just casual sex, are you suggesting that there is an evolutionary benefit to women just never having sex? I have to assume you’re jus…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:18 AM
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Yet it’s widely acknowledged by the incel community that gigachads get chased by women. It’s “hunting” in the case of low value men because it is an evolutionary disadvantage for a woman to procreate with them.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:13 AM
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Yes, all women hate sex and hate having sex with super hot guys. I guess I just got brainwashed by feminism to believe that women experience sexual desire. There is no evolutionary reason why female animals might experience sexual attraction.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 02:10 AM
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Already explained it. You’re too low iq to understand my fucking 6 word basic explanation
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 02:04 AM
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Yet the predator-prey analogy is still low iq
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 02:00 AM
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Prey never wants to get caught.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:57 AM
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There’s nothing inherently wrong with anything, but let’s not pretend that’s there isn’t an obvious coercive component to this. Additionally, you aren’t just wanting to “help” someone you “care” about. You want an attractive wife. That you happen to be helping her is tangential, and you’re using the fact that you would be lifting someone out of poverty as a means of justifying your selfish actions. If it were a legitimate act of charity, done solely for the sake of improving someone’s life, you …
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:56 AM
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What victim blaming? Blaming someone for being a horrible person? No, most likely there’s nothing you can actually do about it and it’s mostly innate, I just don’t think that you make anyone suffer a relationship with you if you’re actually like that.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:51 AM
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I would suggest trying to find someone who actually likes you. And if you can’t, and you’re not absolutely hideous, perhaps your personality really is dogshit and all the more reason to never get married and spare the rest of the world.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:37 AM
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Desire, attraction, etc. Doesn’t have to be purely physical. And I never said that the woman didn’t benefit, simply that it is clearly taking advantage of someone’s unfortunate situation, and that it hints at some kind of antisocial personality disorder, because you are most likely going to end up with someone who genuinely does not want you on any level that is not business.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:35 AM
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What truly defines “taking advantage” in a relationship context is that the person does not want to be with you at all and is doing it simply to escape whatever circumstances they are in that offer a worse alternative. It takes a pretty terrible alternative for a woman to choose a life with a man she has zero interest in.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:25 AM
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You literally do not understand evolutionary theory on even the most basic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:04 AM
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No. Women thinking their looksmatch (a realistic partner for an LTR) is not that great looking does not mean that they think they can do better. For LTR women tend to really focus on non physical traits, so getting to know a guy and liking his personality would pull a meh guy on their level into acceptable territory.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:48 AM
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Yeah. I guess. Though disgusted is a strong word.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:37 AM
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It’s not really delusional for women to adjust their standards of attractiveness when there are better options around. Also, most people don’t use the 1-10 rating scale with any kind of objectivity. They basically go off of vibes, where a 5 is meh, not per se average. So it isn’t even wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:34 AM
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Okay. Doesn’t negate my point, since they see you as a foreigner who may have money who could take them out of the hell world they live in. Again, it’s not some kind of evil action in and of itself, as long as you are actually intending to marry a woman there and not just get their hopes up and leave them possibly pregnant or something (like a psychopath), but your desire for a woman who has 0 real interest in you is creepy and suggests that you have significant antisocial tendencies.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:26 AM
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Not Incels. Incels seem to often go too far in the opposite direction, from what I’ve seen from rate me posts. And no, most women are 100% aware of how attractive they are.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:21 AM
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I love how you rationalize your desire to do this by saying that “if an adult agrees to my terms I can’t possibly be considered to be taking advantage of them.” Yes, you can and are. You’re taking advantage of her worse socioeconomic position. Not to say that she doesn’t get anything out of it and isn’t going to be better off for it, but “taking advantage” is a perfectly apt assessment of geomaxxing. The woman would probably not have chosen you if she wasn’t born into poverty, and probably won’t…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:14 AM
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I never said there aren’t delusional women out there, but to act like this is entirely exclusive to women and not just as common or (most likely) much more common in men is absurd
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:04 AM
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No, actually. Tons of redpillers are completely delusional
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 11:05 PM
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How tf have you made that same mistake 8 god damned times?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:33 PM
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Lol seethe
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:09 PM
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Though of course it’s most likely that OP is of the opinion that these are only negative traits in women
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:06 PM
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It did seem like a critique. I never personally claimed that those traits don’t have a positive side. If you were just generically announcing that, okay…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:02 PM
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No one used looksmatch to mean this.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:01 PM
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It was a response to OPs claims that AWALT. Men are even worse in all the ways he mentioned.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:00 PM
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Wanting to moneymaxx and geomaxx is delusional for a bunch of guys who are so afraid of being cucked. Redpill is sub8 cope.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:58 PM
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Redpill is the height of cope and way more cringe than the bluest bluepill.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:54 PM
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Low iq analogy
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:52 PM
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For LTR. Most women are not deluded enough to think hookups mean anything. You guys need to stop parroting that
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:51 PM
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2 people looking similar does not make them a looksmatch. 2 people being of a similar level of attractiveness is what makes them a looksmatch
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:47 PM
-1

Feels like projection
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:44 PM
1

If you draw your attention to the first 3 words of my comment…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 08:34 PM
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Lmao. I’m just going to ask you point blank: do you consider yourself particularly familiar with neuroscience?
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 04:17 PM
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Completely by-choice child free women (not coerced by a partner, not infertile or couldn’t find a good husband to have kids with, etc.) are rarely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:06 PM
1

Who broke it off?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:11 PM
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She can go to a sperm bank. I know a quite a few women who decided that they would use one if they were still single at 40, and ended up having a few children and just raising them alone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:08 PM
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As if I’m going off of that entirely. It’s not any secret that most Incels present as highly controlling.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 05:40 AM
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“just give us 1 woman”
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 05:28 AM
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You mistakenly responded to my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:04 AM
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I’m sure there are a lot of women who do wish they had the power to outright force a man they are attracted to to be with them. It’s really not too dissimilar.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 04:11 AM
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You know, if you actually bothered to keep up with neuroscience literature, or had any familiarity with the subject at all, frankly. you wouldn’t embarrass yourself by saying stuff like this.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 02:18 AM
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u/RatDontPanic Why whenever this topic is brought up as a theoretical exercise do people always act as though it would be an overnight loss, as opposed to a gradual phasing out? Yeah, obviously if 45% of the working age population disappeared, there would be trouble. That’s a given.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 02:07 AM
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Well, birds of a feather…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 12:22 AM
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Show an example not from that psychopath
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 12:20 AM
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Not really. Do you think women all adore 0.0001% body fat roided up freaks? Lots of women like guys who aren’t perfectly lean.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 12:17 AM
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Yes, I agree it’s having better genes to have a better fat distribution. But I still don’t think that a slight tummy in women is unattractive.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 11:19 PM
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I’ve heard it levels out by the 3 year mark. Like how adult men don’t have as high a sex drive as when they were teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:18 PM
1

How long have you been on t for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:04 PM
1

Yeah, obviously
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:41 PM
1

So are you pro birth control
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:29 PM
0

But she would be forced to be with you
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:28 PM
1

Cool
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:25 PM
1

If you’re not trolling, that is truly amazing. You never once directly communicated with someone you apparently lived in the same house with.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:20 PM
-2

One woman who you would…. not have power over?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:17 PM
1

Do I remind you of your mother?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:02 PM
3

Out: striving for Nirvana In: clinging to Samsara with every shred of strength you can muster
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:54 PM
1

I’m not going to go through the trouble of finding a pic, but just any woman with a very pronounced hourglass figure. It’s rare, but it does happen. Conversely, a woman can be a healthy weight but have a big stomach.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:47 PM
4

Maybe do some introspection to realize the reasons why you find me annoying.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:40 PM
4

I guess I was projecting a bit. Hahaha
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:33 PM
3

Loooool ya
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:32 PM
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I don’t think it would take much for you to want to rape a woman to death, or whatever shit you fantasize about. You obviously loathe us. It’s probably just that you barely ever interact with women irl in any kind of non refined and informal context.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:29 PM
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Lol. I mean in a dating context. I’m a turbo autist and skinny and would have a micro dick if I was a guy. I would be absolutely doomed.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:25 PM
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Ya I would be completely screwed if I was a man.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:00 PM
1

Yep. It is very selective. What’s wrong with that? If anything that’s the opposite of being slutty.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:57 PM
1

So just racists who exist in all spaces? Mfw I realize racists exist everywhere
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:45 PM
1

Feminists are blaming random guys for violence committed by other men of the same background?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:34 PM
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Except if she’s not actually having sex with them, that’s not really entering into a relationship, it’s more like testing the guys to check for compatibility. Say whatever you want about pair-bonding, the fact is that pair bonding is a procreative union on an instinctual level. Neither kissing nor oral sex is procreative, so it is well possible for a woman to engage in those behaviours with men while not pair bonding with any of them. I mean, would you consider a woman a whore if she goes on dat…
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:33 PM
1

But would you call that being a sucker? Promiscuous guys do tend to end up with promiscuous women for long term relationships when they actually settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:29 PM
1

I’m just curious where you draw the line. If a woman kisses tons of men but never has PIV sex with any of them, is that being a whore? At what level of intimacy does an act become sexual in nature?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:04 PM
1

Ok. What about kissing?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 07:46 PM
1

You consider oral sex to be a hookup?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 07:21 PM
1

Or they’re just genetically lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:19 PM
1

So just any woman who has sex before marriage?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:54 AM
1

Is whores all women?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:52 AM
1

I find it fascinating that these results have been consistently hovering around 40% yes 60% no.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:51 AM
1

I find it fascinating that these results have been consistently hovering around 40% yes 60% no.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:51 AM
3

Exactly. You could also say the inverse is true for something like sorrow or fear. Women tend to display it more, making it more apparent. This doesn’t necessarily actually reflect a difference in the intensity experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:08 AM
5

According to some studies, men may actually feel joy more intensely as well, though this things are difficult to measure. Keep in mind as well that outward displays of emotion don’t necessarily reflect the experienced intensity. It seems like you’re not actually that familiar with the literature on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:06 AM
1

Clinically obese isn’t even that fat looking. It’s easy to find women who don’t distribute enough weight onto the stomach for them to have love handles while in the lower end of the obese range.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 03:24 AM
6

Sports, to be fair, are mock-war.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 03:22 AM
1

That was literally incoherent. I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:46 AM
1

No, you can’t. You can be medically considered obese and still not have love handles if you have a certain body fat distribution. They have a kind of shitty body fat distribution, but they’re definitely not above 30%
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:44 AM
1

They have sub optimal body fat distribution, it there is no way in hell that they are 35% bf.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:41 AM
1

It’s because you have fucking brain damage to your visual processing centers that you think that. 35% is insanely fat.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:40 AM
1

They’re at absolute most 28%
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:35 AM
1

How are those women not around 26%?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:33 AM
1

Show a pic of a woman that you think has an optimal weight
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:30 AM
1

And most bi women end up with men because they: A: want to easily have bio kids B: don’t want to be discriminated against C: there are way more straight men than gay women so just statistically they are more likely to end up with a man
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:30 AM
1

Ignoring all the evobio and the fact that females tend to lean higher bfp and the differing reproductive significance of various bfp for men and women, etc, I would say that as long as there was decent musculature, that amount of fat wouldn’t really detract from a man’s looks either. That really just isn’t that fat. Outright obese people like post weight gain Lena Dunham really do have their looks massively detracted from by their extra weight. But being slightly too thin or fat honestly barely …
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:25 AM
0

This is assuming you like licking pussy, I guess.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:16 AM
1

Lots of guys outright prefer women around that weight to thinner women. And I don’t mean like 1% of the population. It’s not uncommon at all for guys to like chubby girls. When did I say I will only date men lmao
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:09 AM
1

2 things: A: I’m thin myself so it’s not cope B: I’m same sex attracted and I don’t find that bmi detracts at all from women’s looks.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:06 AM
1

Lol no.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:03 AM
1

Oh, I read it as 3-5. Apologies. Either way they’re still a bit higher than 5.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:01 AM
1

Like, you can say that you don’t personally find them that attractive. That doesn’t change the fact that they are average to above average. Average people aren’t super good looking, I agree, but your subjective assessment of their desirability does not change what they materially are.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:56 AM
1

Also, you’re actually delusional. 5 is average. None of those women are 3s. Do you not understand that the vast, vast majority of people are a 4-6? None of those women are considerably below average. A 3 is full blown ugly. Those women are like 5.5-6. Slightly above average. And most men find that body type attractive, so I have to assume you like really skinny women.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:53 AM
1

What’s a 9 in your opinion?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:50 AM
1

I’m bisexual. I have a mostly male attraction pattern when it comes to women and find most women under the age of 60 at least moderately attractive. But let me tell you, this woman, and absolutely no offence to her, she was the nicest person in the world, great personality in general, very well kept appearance, intelligent, funny, etc., but she actually looked like a pig that was turned into a human by the fairy godmother in Cinderella. There is honest to god probably no amount of surgery that w…
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:41 AM
1

I cant have sex with someone I don’t like.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:05 AM
1

Lmao, you don’t know men at all. Not women. The vast majority of people are 4-6, so from a numbers perspective it’s feasible for the majority of male 2s who aren’t cognitively disabled to at least snag a 3 with a little effort. And there are female 3-5s who would settle for a 2 if he made a little above average income. Most guys consider it worth the effort if they can come home and stick their cock in a woman who actually looks human.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:44 AM
1

Most 2/10 guys would rather statusmaxx and moneymaxx to avoid ending up with a female 2.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:39 AM
1

Sure, i could find a guy. Lots of guys don’t care how i act. But I don’t want to. I’m too particular about my partner, and I don’t have the mental energy to date. Guess I’ll just die a virgin.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:38 AM
1

Autistic
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:34 AM
1

Mentalcel.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:30 AM
1

I like the discourse.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:29 AM
1

So you’re hypothetical future wife is a perfect virgin does whatever you want without question, is exceedingly attractive, etc. Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:26 AM
1

I’m not here because I have a hard time finding a date.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:25 AM
1

Yeah, so that would be the same regardless of rating system
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:04 AM
1

Idgaf what you use, just show me a 5
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:03 AM
1

What do you actually base your rankings off of? I personally believe there are two main schools of thought when it comes to the use of looksrating numbers. One is simply using percentiles, so in that case, using decimals is important for accuracy, the second is using a standard deviation system. So which are you using? I feel like regardless of which you use there is functionally no way that Lena Dunham scores a sub 4.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:52 PM
4

She’s a tradcon. She’s obviously fucking racist lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:32 PM
2

Truecels.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:27 PM
1

Do you mean my picture? I’m not self doxxing. Also, what does this have to do with me? I’m just curious what you would consider a 5. I think you’re insane and deluded to call Lena Dunham (pre-weight gain) a 3. She’s at least average. Facially she’s probably above average (larger eyes, relatively symmetrical, decent proportions). I’m having a hard time seeing how she’s an outright 3, so I’m just curious what you would consider average.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:26 PM
2

Women irl think it’s misogynistic for men to not want to do this?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:19 PM
1

No, Im not a femcel. I am a 7+, just mentally fucked.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:59 PM
1

Femcels for sex don’t exist. Femcels can’t get commitment. I have met a legit femcel. Legit 2/10. They’re real.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 10:54 PM
1

I mean, they have the most reason to be, don’t they?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:58 PM
1

I think it’s a kink thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:49 PM
1

Yes, I agree.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:49 PM
0

How did you even reach this perception? You really need to log off, jfc.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:48 PM
1

Why tf wouldn’t Chads (esp Chadlites) be bluepilled?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:43 PM
2

Assuming you weren’t.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:26 PM
2

Obviously not all Beckies will end up with a Chad. That’s basic math. I’m merely pointing out that the idea that men who fuck around will end up with a virgin is generally false.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:25 PM
3

Exclusive, but no chance of going all the way.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:05 PM
1

Why not?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:04 PM
5

But you still wouldn’t take this offer? Okay.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:54 PM
1

Are you a genuine inkwell?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:54 PM
1

Chad “settles” for “cc riding roastie.” Shouldn’t he get a virgin 17 year old?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:53 PM
0

Read the first comment, copelord.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:49 PM
6

I feel like this is probably just confirmation bias. I live in Canada and asians of the same background date each other all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:48 PM
1

What would be a 5 to you?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:14 PM
1

Most people who marry in their 30s aren’t waiting to have kids, since they were likely dating for a while before marriage. I know lots of women who got married at 30+ and had well over 2 children.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:49 PM
1

Statistically false.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:46 PM
1

Do you think that if you manage to get a virgin that she will be sexually submissive and want to please you? Hahahahaa. Omg.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:42 PM
3

So, this has little to do with marriage age, and why say 5-6 if all you want is replacement level. You’re incoherent.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:38 PM
-1

Of course there are also numerous studies that show that most women only have a few relationships in their lives and don’t tend to have interest in casual sex, but of course those are all fake too.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:36 PM
1

in order to have 5-6 children and keep shit going What do you think infant mortality is like in wealthy countries these days? Also, most women who started at 33 could easily have more than 2 children if they wanted to.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:33 PM
0

They would just call it betabuxxing
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:18 PM
1

Just offering some friendly advice.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:41 PM
1

It’s cringe. Who tf actually uses it unironically?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:37 PM
2

Did you or did you not deposit the phrase “cute virgin waifus” unironically?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:03 PM
1

When did I say that?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 01:45 PM
1

What are you not getting here? I have to assume that you’re being intentionally obtuse or engaging in self-delusion. I did not claim that subjectivity did not play any role in performance evaluations. I did not claim that women are entitled to higher pay for relatively lower quality work. You seem to be completely ignoring everything I’m saying so that you can hold on to your current narrative.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 03:22 AM
1

Im white myself ffs
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 01:52 AM
1

No, because there are biological factors that govern attraction as well. As I said, you constructed a false dichotomy. And yes, of course objectively more attractive men (Chads) are more desirable over all, but white women actually were aware of the existence of Koreans prior to Kpop, so your argument doesn’t check out.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 01:21 AM
1

Dude if you think that you’re not a nihilist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:42 AM
1

Reproducing isn’t even a purpose of life. Life doesn’t have any inherent “purpose.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:40 AM
1

What are you hoping to achieve with this interaction?
/r/BlackPillScience06/09/23 12:25 AM
2

In practice, yes, no two employees are identical, but companies assess employee performance in order to decide who, for instance, receives a wage hike or bonus. So the variation in wages between individuals filling the same position in a company is decided by employee performance. Common sense suggests that a degree of objectivity is used to determine pay. Therefore, if a woman could reasonably argue that, based on company criteria, her performance is identical or superior to that of a man who w…
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:23 AM
1

I have already demonstrated that media representation can change what is considered physically attractive. If even Korean chads weren’t considered by white women before due to being Korean, but now are, that’s a shift. Even if white pen are still more desired that is irrelevant. That’s like saying one fertilizer that increases crop yields l doesn’t work at all because another fertilizer increases yields more. That’s not how anything works.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:04 AM
3

Wow, you’re actually learning. Amazing.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:44 PM
0

Least delusional incel
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:43 PM
3

How are you rationalizing that claim to yourself?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:26 PM
1

If the average woman has more of an interest in Korean men than before Kpop became popular, even if they still aren’t as desired as white men, that still demonstrates that culture can impact attractiveness.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:26 PM
1

Most people aren’t overwhelmed by dating options. Quit complaining about being 5’10” when there are actual 5’1” guys.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:24 PM
0

5’10” is well within viable range in most countries. Where are you, US?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:48 PM
1

But if Korean men were always around, but weren’t desired by white women before Kpop, and only started being considered after its rise in popularity, that isn’t simply “directing” women towards Korean chads. That is a palpable shift in relative smv.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:38 PM
1

If western women are now going out of their way to date Korean men, how is this not an increase in smv for Korean men?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:33 PM
5

For equal work, yes, they are.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:22 PM
5

Well, you can’t rely solely on anecdote when constructing an argument. No actual debate is like that.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:20 PM
2

Lol okay ma’am
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:01 PM
2

I’ll explain it, then: you have brain damage. My condolences.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:01 PM
1

Hell if I know.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:59 PM
4

There’s already a word that is regularly used that means that exact thing, though. No one uses “reciprocitous.” If a term that originates in a subculture becomes widely used and understood in that subculture, it is considered a slang term, and if it then spreads to broader culture, so that its meaning becomes universally recognized and understood, then at that point it is typically a considered an actual word.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:59 PM
1

Western media disseminates and influences cultures around the globe. The inverse can happen as well. Look at how many western girls now fetishize Korean men due to the popularity of Kpop.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:56 PM
1

Do you actually believe that every single existing social more and ideal was directly, intentionally imposed?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:53 PM
2

Also, btw, reciprocitous isn’t a word. You mean reciprocal.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:50 PM
1

Spousal rape was only recently made illegal. I would say there is a general tendency among men to feel entitlement towards sex. Believe whatever you want, but men regularly approach women asking for a date then blow up and start insulting and threatening her when they are turned down.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:46 PM
1

Why construct this dichotomy for zero reason? Physical attraction has both directly biological and cultural influences.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:40 PM
1

What would be an instance where it was unethical, and why?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:56 PM
1

Is killing someone ethical?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:54 PM
1

Enjoy the brain damage.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:52 PM
1

Oh, that explains a lot.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:51 PM
1

Marital rape was legal, so I would be willing to bet that a lot of women feared rape from men.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:51 PM
1

You know, this entire discussion wouldn’t even be necessary if you simply utilized the Socratic method on your own ideologies. It’s what I was trying to do with you, but I guess you don’t have the patience to work through it like this. It’s very easy to do yourself. Additionally, my understanding of morality is highly developed, and informed by a number of disparate fields of study. Yours is informed by one Nazi book on how to cement fascism within a country.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:46 PM
1

When did I bring up “individuality”? (Did you mean individualism?)
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:41 PM
1

THERE IS NO OBJECTIVELY CORRECT MORALITY. This is the most basic tenet of philosophy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:37 PM
1

Do you have actual material support for that claim? That women didn’t fear being raped and abused by men in that time?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:31 PM
0

I barely talk to anyone in person these days. I certainly don’t continue speaking to anyone even remotely condescending.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:31 PM
1

If you are so familiar with the theory, you can defend it yourself here. If you don’t wish to, fine, but I’m trying to have a discussion. I’m happy to distill my understanding. I don’t know why it is so difficult for you to do the same. Next question: why are internal criminals not enemies?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:30 PM
0

I don’t. Unfortunately, most men are like this.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:28 PM
1

Do you think that Carl Schmitts ideology is objectively correct? You do realize that you can frame anything any way you like, and claim whatever you want is true, but that does not make it so, right?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:25 PM
1

What makes an in-group bias more virtuous?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:24 PM
1

How do you know that women had a high trust of men?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:23 PM
1

So there was a historical society that had no criminals?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:23 PM
1

This language is so vague that it’s honestly a challenge to even find something tangible to respond to here. So let me get this straight, to you, Spartans were the most moral men to ever live because (you believe) they had a particularly strong in-group bias?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:22 PM
1

Do you think that women in historical societies had high trust of men? Was that a form of community dissolution?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:20 PM
1

There are always internal enemies in the form of various types of criminals. As long as they are a small minority they cannot start a civil war. Therefore, internal enemies are a constant of any society.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:19 PM
1

So anything inevitable is therefore moral?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:16 PM
1

Why is it necessary to have external enemies?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:14 PM
1

What constitutes dissolution of the community?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:13 PM
1

No moral system is inherently correct. It is entirely a matter of perspective. Enemies don’t have to be external, they can be internal as well. Those who harm the community from within are enemies of the community as a whole. This is an obvious fact that most people can easily acknowledge.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:12 PM
1

What makes something an “unvirtue”?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:08 PM
2

What does the ubiquity of something have to do with its morality? You are the one who was trying to argue that Spartans were more moral than modern people, am I wrong? So how is that the case?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:05 PM
2

So it’s moral to rape and kill random people who did nothing to you because humans “need” an “enemy”?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:03 PM
2

Also, are you seriously arguing that men in Ancient Greece didn’t rape their slaves? Are you fucking joking?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:00 PM
2

Spartans were literally soldiers who attacked other communities and killed people in order to accrue resources. If you want to call that the height of human morality, go ahead, but I’m sure their victims would disagree.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:56 PM
2

Rape (of lower status women and men) was entirely socially acceptable in Ancient Greece.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:54 PM
0

Yes, it’s not surprising you haven’t seen it, since men are most likely to react badly to rejection when they are alone with the woman. If you’re seriously trying to argue that there’s any possibility that women tend to utilize more violent mate guarding strategies than men, you’re deluding yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:52 PM
1

Do you know how random sampling works?
/r/BlackPillScience05/09/23 07:50 PM
1

The statement I made has nothing to do with bp. I just hate when people act like modernity is what “ruined” people. No, people have always been this way.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:07 PM
0

Wow. You, a man, have never seen men freak out after being rejected? I wonder why that is.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:44 PM
7

No one is inherently entitled to anything, but women are actually technically entitled to equal pay according to the law in many countries.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:42 PM
1

If you think being pushy, overbearing, and outspoken are negative traits in a partner, you could only hope to imagine what the average woman has to deal with.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:26 PM
1

Think rationally for a second. Do you think that the majority of men in the past were desirable partners?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:24 PM
1

I did explain that. A moderately unhealthy guy who’s taller probably still has better genes than a healthy guy who’s shorter. Women will definitely gold dig guys who are not self made, but since women do find themselves more attracted to guys who are self made than aren’t, this points to it not purely being about the money, but also being about the fitness display of being able to provision well. So, genuine attraction to the man for his genes. No, a woman will not be more attracted to a guy sim…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:17 PM
1

What did you even attempt to articulate with the second half of your response? It doesn’t seem to contradict anything I’ve said. I’m not sure you even understand my argument.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:03 PM
1

High IQ does not automatically mean good genes. Our modern perception that the higher the IQ the better is not necessarily reflective of what is actually evolutionarily optimal now or in the past. The average person tends to prefer a somewhat smarter than average mate, but 130+ people are seen as less desirable. This actually mirrors the pattern of attraction for height. Women (and men) prefer somewhat taller than average partners, and exceedingly tall people are actually disliked by the majorit…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:39 PM
1

Mirrored in the perceptual sense from the perspective of NTs. I thought it was obvious that I didn’t mean that it was actually an indication of antisociality in the case of autistics. That was my point, actually: that autistic people who are not currently engaged in antisocial behaviour come across as being so due to the fact that NTs do similar things but only in that context.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:08 PM
1

It’s not a universal claim. Not all autists act that way, but it is common. What exactly are you disputing, might I ask?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:55 PM
1

You’re not understanding what I’m saying at all. Outright provisioning a huge number of females has a very weak instinctual basis. Of course the confluence of those two distinct instincts coupled with an extremely high degree of resource accrual can produce a harem result, but even in the case of Chinese emperors who had thousands of partners, it was very common for them to closely bond with a single female for an extended period (2-8 years), so much so that rules were produced for the emperor d…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:30 PM
1

You don’t even seem to know what you want.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:20 PM
1

I don’t disagree, I was just attempting to inform you that it’s a highly unnatural arrangement. Naturally highly polygynous species don’t provision females. The instinct to provision is endemic to males of monogamous species.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:20 PM
1

What do you mean, horseshit? How the fuck is one male going to provision 5-10 females under natural circumstances? It just doesn’t happen. The only reason this is possible for humans is because of the accrual of wealth by elites. The emperor of China was not provisioning all of his partners. Random poor men were.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:12 PM
1

Does every statement and claim ever made have to be based off of an extant, well replicated study? Give me a break. These are my personal observations. It is common sense that the fidgety movements and shifty eyes that autists display under most circumstances resemble suspicious behaviour in NTs.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:01 PM
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Replying to RatDontPanic here since he blocked me: I’m not suggesting that that doesn’t happen, but it’s also incorrect to say that displaying provisioning abilities isn’t a demonstration of good genes that can increase women’s attraction towards you.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:59 PM
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The issue is that normal autistic behaviours mirror the behaviour that neurotypicals engage in shortly before or after engaging in antisocial behaviours (ie crimes and shit). So a lot of autists just look criminal and dangerous by default.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:45 PM
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Lots of sex offenders are hyper NT.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:39 PM
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That’s interesting. What were the sample sizes? I wouldn’t be surprised if it has increased, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it hasn’t. A lot of species have pretty consistent rates of extra-pair paternity.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:37 PM
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Gunpowder recipes vary between regions, and especially did so historically, but the gun, as in a projectile weapon involving explosive powder and a metal ball, originated in China. Also, up until fairly recently, nothing of considerable note was invented in Europe. The success of Hellenistic societies was owed massively to imported Iranian and Chinese inventions and discovered concepts. Almost all domesticated animals originate from Asia as well.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:24 PM
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More intelligent women also have higher rates of virginity. I don’t think that the relative attractiveness to the majority of the population that high IQ associated traits confer is the main factor contributing to the higher rates of virginity in those with higher IQ. And yes, obviously betabuxx and chad are seen in different ways by women. But that’s not to say that no genuine attraction can be generated through demonstrating provisioning abilities. It’s known that women are much more attracted…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:20 PM
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This sounds more like sequential polygyny, or serial monogamy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:00 PM
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Just so you know (assuming you didn’t), there isn’t much provisioning done on the part of the male in highly polygynous species. That’s very much the instinct of a monogamous species.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:59 PM
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I’m assuming that the concern (somewhat consciously, somewhat unconsciously) is that they will be cuckolded, which is a risk in all pair bonding species. The investment of resources into young which are not their direct descendants is something they are fearful of, and they acknowledge that better looks can reduce the likelihood of this occurring.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:55 PM
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Are you not able to recognize that the ability to accrue resources is a display of fitness, ie phenotypic, ie a demonstration of good genes? So women can be attracted to betabuxx on account of their genes.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:43 PM
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Yeah I guess you would hope that. Too bad you didn’t.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:40 PM
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What rules? Do you mean principles? Because these are not actual rules in modern society. Sorry you weren’t born 2000 years ago
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:44 AM
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I don’t know, I just figured it out. I think about the world a lot, and have from a young age.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:24 AM
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Stating your opinion like a fact makes you sound cognitively disabled.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:22 AM
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I’m well aware of all this, I came to these realizations myself, but I still have a high sex drive.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:13 AM
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From a man’s perspective. Please familiarize yourself with the concept of subjectivity.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:07 AM
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Yes, exactly my point. There’s a huge degree of subjectivity in comedy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:04 AM
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You don’t know what cherry picking means.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:31 AM
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It is entirely related. You’re acting like a lowering birth rate is a bad thing that needs to be curbed. It’s actually highly beneficial.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:31 AM
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I mean technically yes it does.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:30 AM
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Do you think it makes sense to attempt to exceed Earths current carrying capacity for our species? Infinite growth is impossible. It would be very bad long term if birth rates did not decline. There would likely be a total crash. It would be catastrophic.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:28 AM
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It makes sense when you consider that women have to gestate and risk abandonment by a partner. Who they have sex with can make or break their entire future. They have to be very careful.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:26 AM
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More women have died in childbirth than men have died in wars.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:23 AM
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“Cherry picked topics” the topic is pretty consistently murder. And shows like that are generally kept pretty diverse, or they would get boring. To say that nothing of value could be gleaned is your own perspective. And why should guys watch excitingly narrated war podcasts that tend to include a lot of extraneous details when they could instead read raw literature? Is entertainment not typically put first in these shows?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:22 AM
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Yes, the correlation is stronger when women have greater control of reproduction. But keep in mind that rural areas tend to be more conservative and also have a lower population density.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:16 AM
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I’m waiting for my next semester of classes to start. Why don’t you go contribute to a statistic?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:12 AM
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Or they could just leave if they can afford it, like a lot of people did from Ukraine and Russia.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:11 AM
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Depends on the country. But there is a clear inverse correlation between population density and birth rate.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:10 AM
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So they would escape if they could. Not the same thing as just attempting a truce. Also, I don’t see a breakdown by sex.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:08 AM
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And learning about the habits and traits of killers is also educational.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:03 AM
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The lowering birth rate correlates with an increase in population density. Birth rates tend to go down in response to very high population density. Assuming the increase in promiscuity is causative is really stupid, since a million other factors are known to play a bigger role.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:02 AM
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But women did fight.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:54 AM
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Aggravated means lowered?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:54 AM
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That’s not how this works. I want you to give me the exact piece that you are working off of.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:53 AM
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How is this hypocritical? Yes any kind of movement pushing for social change is going to be divisive. No feminist denies this.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:53 AM
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So women were more likely to fight because there was less feminism? Is that what you’re saying?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:52 AM
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Can you send the link for that?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:51 AM
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What does aggravated mean in this context?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:50 AM
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Think whatever you want. It makes zero sense to do that. Though again, lots of women are actually fighting, which is common in defensive wars. Same happened in Vietnam.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:50 AM
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Yep. Why wouldn’t it? Why would men react well to being told to give up hegemony?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:47 AM
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Is that also why men listen to war podcasts?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:46 AM
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In war there is generally the sense that resources should be used as efficiently as possible. This includes human labour. Why would women be put on the front lines? It’s completely impractical and wasteful.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:45 AM
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“War breaks out.” They probably don’t mean a defensive war. These days the US starts wars. Who wants to throw away their life in an offensive war? Obviously. I can’t imagine anything better than men wanting to avoid that. It means fewer wars can be started to begin with, so there’s less need for defence.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:43 AM
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As I said, women in Ukraine clearly are assisting in the war effort. I’m not sure how you missed that. Still, most civilians, including men, are not in active combat. And, as I also said, they’re obviously not going to launch a full blown campaign for women’s rights in the middle of a war, because that would be insane. Though Ukrainian women have been calling out sexual assault by Ukrainian soldiers, and other sex-based violence that has been occurring during the war, so they haven’t put down fe…
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:41 AM
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As I mentioned in my edit, that is not the perception instinctually. Sexless men would be inclined to defend the country due to the possibility that attractive close relatives were reproductively active. Plus, there would be no “truce.” If the men weren’t killed they would likely be enslaved and possibly castrated, as many slave males have been in the past. Why would the winning side be amicable to a respectable relationship, or risk losing out on reproductive opportunities?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:29 AM
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