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1

Have fun in the mines, I guess?
/r/BlackPillScience20/06/25 04:53 AM
-10

Except that this is contradicted by almost every other study on the topic.
/r/BlackPillScience09/05/25 04:53 PM
2

I mean socially. Just look up the history of the countries.
/r/BlackPillScience28/04/25 10:39 AM
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high inhib
/r/BlackPillScience24/04/25 05:56 PM
1

This has already been broken down a million times. I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Queen regnants are more likely to be married to other regnants than vice versa.
/r/BlackPillScience23/04/25 01:43 AM
0

Why do you feel comfortable conflating responsiveness and niceness?
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 06:04 AM
1

Do you have any evidence for this?
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 05:56 AM
-3

The nordic countries modernized on paper very rapidly and are still very culturally traditional in many ways. This is a well known thing. Lots of downvotes and no responses... This is a factual discussion.
/r/BlackPillScience21/04/25 04:38 AM
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So one. Okay. That's not zero at least.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 09:48 PM
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Did you lose track of the line of questioning? Have you seen one instance of a woman pursing a man... that led to a successful long term relationship?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 02:50 AM
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So, you have seen one instance of this occurring?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 02:37 AM
1

Interesting choice for an age range.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:37 AM
-4

How many successful, long term relationships do you know of that started out that way?
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:36 AM
-5

Yes, of course, all women engage in texting games and no men do. The entire redpill movement and pickup artistry never existed.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:33 AM
-3

That was on a dating app, which you're assuming possessed a representative sample for both men and women, which is most likely not true.
/r/MensRights16/02/25 01:32 AM
3

So entirely arbitrary bullshit. There is no objectively correct way to determine self worth.
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:56 AM
-10

So then what?
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:50 AM
-16

As opposed to what? Getting material things some other way? Lol.
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 07:39 AM
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getting free stuff = pathetic ok
/r/BlackPillScience15/02/25 06:32 AM
2

There are studies on contemporary populations that match these results.
/r/BlackPillScience16/01/25 11:38 PM
2

I don't know why you would think that.
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/24 04:15 PM
3

It's a general trend?
/r/BlackPillScience10/12/24 05:33 AM
4

What does that have to do with what I said?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:46 AM
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Relationships fall apart all the time when men work too much. Though, of course doing something practical is better than something recreational. If you are using almost all of your recreational time to play games instead of hanging out with your girlfriend, then you don't have much of a relationship.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:35 AM
-2

Ask guys what their dick size is instead of their name
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 03:32 AM
1

I am a woman.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 02:49 AM
1

The relationship is more complex than that. I'd say that if you're at least around average height, build and face trump height, so average height guy with good build and face is better than tall guy with average build and face. But tall with bad build and face beats very short with even very good build and face.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 01:59 AM
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Men also treat tall men better.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/24 01:57 AM
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Extremely tall and extremely short are disadvantaged over average to slightly above average, because of the ubiquity of assortative mating for height, and the fact that most people are of average height.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:55 PM
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Yes, I'm sure it was because she thought gaming is cringe and not that he was literally never spending time with her.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:42 PM
3

If controlling for everything, including inclinations towards assortative mating at all heights and negative assortative mating at extreme heights, short people of both sexes are less desirable mates, so obviously you would see this association. What you're seeing is the result of the multiplying effect of a female preference for a taller partner and a general preference for a partner who is at least an average height for their sex.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:41 PM
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Lots of women don't need that size.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:37 PM
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I doubt you could actually demonstrate that women are "more emotional."
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:33 PM
1

Humans engage in negative assortative mating for traits that are detrimental in extremes. As in, they are normalizing the height of their offspring.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:33 PM
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She's setting her potential son up to be taller than if she had children with a shorter guy.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/24 11:30 PM
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The blackpillers will ignore this
/r/BlackPillScience02/12/24 02:38 PM
1

Jane Goodall's observations have been replicated innumerable times, with many of her once surprising claims now caught on video. This "experiment" has not been, to my knowledge. The claim that she was fearful of other chimpanzees is more plausible than that she was attracted to human men or masturbated to Playgirl magazine. Mammals just don't tend to imprint to that degree. The few examples that exist are gimmicky, suspect accounts from the 1900s. Yes, lots of individuals have atypical attractio…
/r/BlackPillScience19/11/24 10:17 AM
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Did you downvote me? Why not respond, if for no other reason than to maybe learn something.
/r/BlackPillScience18/11/24 06:23 AM
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I'm not sure why you brought up a highly questionable primatology "study" from the 60s and 70s. I hope you have the sense to question the accuracy of the reporting, especially the "sexual attraction" to humans part. Not to mention, she was introduced to one male chimpanzee (by my understanding), and this was well before she reached official sexual maturity (the time when female chimpanzees actually start mating). You want me to explain low genetic quality to you? Really? You have access to the i…
/r/BlackPillScience18/11/24 03:59 AM
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What is this in response to?
/r/BlackPillScience11/11/24 04:54 PM
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Also, it's worth considering that in species that are highly K selected, those that have exceedingly low infant and juvenile morality rates, as well as low morality of reproductive age adults, in combination with relatively high levels of competition in adulthood for ecologically relevant resources, monogamy tends to be more strongly selected for. Essentially, the conditions exist to an even greater degree today for selection for monogamy.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 05:21 PM
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Actual rates are difficult to identify, and I'm not sure if trends are shifting, but if you look at the 40-49 year age cohort in the US (men having children past this age is rare, only around 1% do), 84% of women and 77% of men have had children. So not a huge divide. Obviously women having jobs and being able to avoid marriage may shift this somewhat. Also, only about 15% of men have had children with multiple partners in the US. So, not a massive number, but not microscopic either. It's honest…
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 04:03 PM
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The confusion here is coming from mistaking the relative rate of preservation of y-haplogroups vs mitochondrial strains over an extended time frame for consistent differences in median reproductive rate. Extreme polygyny was not prevalent within given societies, but due to high rates of tribal aggression, spurred by technological advancements, male populations took over and replaced each other regularly, leading to reduced y chromosome diversity.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:33 AM
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So, during a period that involved record levels of tribal warfare?
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:31 AM
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Monogamy was not a product of agriculture. Polygyny was in fact exaggerated by it. The whole "fewer men reproduced than women" thing is mostly the result of tribal warfare, not an extreme reproductive skew for males within a given community.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:25 AM
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It's mostly from tribal warfare.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 08:22 AM
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Results for the uncertain condition, however, were ***consistent* with research on the pleasures of uncertainty.** Learn scientific literacy.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/24 06:31 AM
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https://statisticalhorizons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/88.2.levanon.pdf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 12:22 AM
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The results are not surprising at all if you have a basic understanding of evolutionary theory. For one, casual sex costs men nothing, and is always a net positive for them evolutionarily (assuming the woman is fertile at the time), whereas it is inherently extremely costly for women, and it is overwhelmingly a net negative if the man is of low genetic quality. And it is for a similar reason that men are more willing to enter into a long-term relationship with a less attractive partner than wome…
/r/BlackPillScience13/07/24 12:17 PM
1

Those are plastic on plastic jars, and are extremely easy to open. I can’t believe that you’re legitimately attempting to argue that something like opening a jar is unattainable to a large portion of the population. Does that seem like a realistic assertion to you? Again, I’m weaker than most people, and in my entire life I’ve had maybe 5 instances of a jar actually being in any way difficult to open. Out of thousands of jars. And in those cases the person who ended up opening them was my mother…
/r/MensRights13/07/24 08:36 AM
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I’m the weakest person imaginable and I’ve done it thousands of times. You don’t need any strength to push a knife up the side of a lid and use it as a lever. And you don’t need to use a sharp, thin knife either. Those tend to bend anyway. I generally use butter knives. If you’re using a very thick, flexible knife and applying minimal pressure, there’s functionally zero chance the knife would break.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 12:25 AM
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It doesn’t even require strength to open a jar. You just use a knife to release the gas buildup, then open it normally with zero effort.
/r/MensRights12/07/24 06:28 AM
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Maybe they were being polite.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/24 04:28 AM
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I’m gonna be honest, your writing is consistently extremely incoherent. You should legitimately try to improve your intelligibility if you want to make engagement with online discourse a regular part of your life.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 11:59 PM
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We aren’t talking about you. This is women being alone with a bear or a man. The reason that the men closest to women are most likely to hurt them is mostly due to opportunity. Women may encounter more men than bears in their day to day life, but they mostly aren’t encountering men one-on-one in the middle of the woods. You said “all the women who picked the bear have had one night stands and casual sex.” The majority of women do not have casual sex, so assuming that “all” the women who picked t…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 02:12 AM
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Sorry, do you, like, not understand how hypotheticals work? The whole point is that it’s an either/or question. “Neither” isn’t an option because almost everyone would choose it. Lots of survivors do kill themselves, and lots of women throughout history have killed themselves to avoid rape. It is saying nothing about existing rape survivors. It’s a personal decision meant to clearly illustrate a genuine fear that is often dismissed by men as overblown. As for the last part, I don’t know why you …
/r/EverydayMisandry04/07/24 12:00 AM
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The point that women are trying to make is that they don’t want to be raped.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/07/24 11:05 PM
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Women saying “I don’t need a man” tends to derive from men telling women that they need them in a personal context, not a society-wide context. Obviously women need men to have housing built and roads maintained, for instance, but they question and push back on the assertion that women need a man in their lives to feel personally fulfilled and have a decent quality of life.
/r/MensRights08/04/24 01:14 PM
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No, because those estimates already take into account the higher rates of asymptomatic infection in women.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 08:45 PM
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Did you read your own comment? Most heterosexual men with urethral infection become symptomatic and quickly seek healthcare (after a few days) (5). About half of women are asymptomatic, and this they take longer to seek healthcare than men (5,6).
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 09:14 AM
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What does that even mean?
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 12:12 AM
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Source
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 04:56 AM
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Again, if you are defining sex as the presence or absence of SRY, then it is. You can agree that there are two “overarching” sexes, while also acknowledging that the statement: “there are two biological sexes” is overly reductive unless you have specified that you are here referring to chromosomal sex.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:53 AM
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So, defined as the presence or absence of SRY. In that case it would be a dimorph. However, sex is generally understood to be a more complex phenomenon than that. Individuals can develop in highly sex-atypical manners, and intermediate forms are not uncommon at all. It is the evolutionary selection against these intermediate forms that maintains the dimorph.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:44 AM
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Lol
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:40 AM
2

I mean, naturally this would be the case, since adolescent and adult males can’t be forcibly sexually abused by women, so a greater percentage of men who experienced sexual abuse in their lifetime would be young. Far more girls than boys are abused at young ages, though.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:42 AM
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Attractive women have always had more options for partners. This has nothing to do with the modern gender equality movement. Why wouldn’t people want the best they can get in a partner?
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:27 AM
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It depends on how you define sex.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:21 AM
1

And apparently redpillers and blackpillers as well. Who would have thought.
/r/AllPillDebate27/09/23 06:24 AM
2

Depends on the species. Edit: perhaps I’m mistaken on that (re:crocodilians) I’m not sure why I thought that was the case
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 07:23 AM
0

You can’t expect most of the guys here to be particularly intellectually honest, since their primary motive is defending their ideology, rather than having a nuanced understanding of reality. Sorry that happened to you, by the way.
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 02:40 AM
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Mallard drakes and the males of some other ducks species who force copulations on females are males who are already paired. It’s a misconception that it’s unpaired males who do that. Unpaired males spend all their time looking for a mate.
/r/AllPillDebate26/09/23 02:23 AM
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I don’t even need to cope. She’s pretty, but she doesn’t “mog” adult Audrey Hepburn.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:41 AM
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cope
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:30 AM
1

Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:25 AM
1

Yeah lol cuz she’s an adult
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:24 AM
1

Grace Kelly mogs
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:23 AM
1

Audrey Hepburn in Breakfast at Tiffany’s? Or Audrey Hepburn at her middle school graduation party? Nonce lol
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 09:18 AM
3

Did you just learn about her existence?
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:16 AM
3

The Life of an In-Denial Pedo: sees 14 year old: wow she’s so hot, I bet she’ll be hot until 40. girl turns 20: ew god she looks old. Well, that was probably a fluke. sees another 14 year old: “wow hot. Bet she’ll look hot forever” girl turns 24: wow she literally became a decrepit old hag. Maybe she smokes or something. sees another 14 year old: this is the one
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:13 AM
4

Guys attracted to a young-looking teen girl: “Shes the most beautiful WOMAN I’ve ever seen!” Those same guys the millisecond she turns 20: “wow she really hit the wall.”
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 07:01 AM
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No. But I suggest you get a sex doll. There are ones designed for guys with your interests.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 06:51 AM
2

Average schizo response
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 06:42 AM
-3

They do insofar as it impacts their ability to successfully marry
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:55 AM
6

Just say you like kids
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:54 AM
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Incels: w*men who have had casual sex should be publicly executed. I would rather die a virgin than betabuxx for some disgusting post-wall roastie. Also Incels: I can’t understand how women can bring themselves to lie to their current partner about their sexual history.
/r/AllPillDebate25/09/23 03:46 AM
1

Why don’t you go post your pictures on a gay subreddit?
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 12:46 PM
1

literal bottom tier woman that no man would want to have sex with
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:37 AM
1

Yeah she’s fucking hideous I can see why no man would want her Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:35 AM
0

Queen Latifah, the rich, very attractive woman with a very optimal fat distribution who is moderately overweight? Wow. That’s shocking Literal worst fucking example.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 04:33 AM
1

Hm, maybe.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:59 AM
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Omg. Way to completely ignore a very straightforward argument. Sexual orientation is an integral factor. The fact that someone receives opposite sex attention is irrelevant if they are same sex attracted, and vice versa. By your own logic, all straight men should be ecstatic that gay men want to fuck then.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:56 AM
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Not even.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:53 AM
1

Lots of light skinned women still have dark-coloured private parts, though.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:39 AM
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The actual definition of sexual harassment is broad, so I don’t see what the issue is. Also, lots of science relies of self-reported data.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:33 AM
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Men will sexually harass a fucking dog. Heck, they’ll sexually harass a pool vent. Doesn’t mean much. If you’re literally only female attracted, how is your life better because men notice you? It’s like saying that straight men are fine because there are gay guys who would fuck them (100% true statement). Ugly lesbians are genuinely screwed and have the worst of all worlds. If you have nothing else, you at least have physical strength.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:32 AM
1

Not gigachad.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:28 AM
1

I would go so far as to say that the pretty boy aesthetic would be harmed by being as tall as 6’4”. 5’11” - 6’1” would probably be optimal.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:27 AM
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Are you extremely weak? Are you sexually harassed and sent unsolicited dick pics? Lesbians also make up like 1% of the population. It’s everything men have to face and worse.
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:22 AM
1

Did you even read the post? The entire point is that she has basically all the disadvantages of being a man and a woman combined
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:17 AM
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when
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 02:10 AM
1

How, practically, would they determine the frequency of sexual harassment without conducting a survey? The study involved asking a number of specific questions about the type of experiences the participants have had. You can look at the study and see the breakdown. If you want to dismiss a portion of them because you assume that it is simply women interpreting every form of touch from a male colleague as sexual harassment, feel free, but there are a large body of questions that are not vague eno…
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 01:54 AM
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So, no science can rely on self-reported experiences?
/r/AllPillDebate24/09/23 01:40 AM
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You do realize that there is a subject component to “violated someone’s dignity” and “a hostile…..offensive work environment,” right? How is it “garbage” to use self-report data in light of that?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:58 PM
1

Why don’t women need to work as much?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:55 PM
1

Yes, because I gave up after literal months of sitting next to him every day and constantly flirting with him only for him to ignore me or cry due to being offended. I wish I had been more mature at the time and just been direct, but I wasn’t. Now it’s too late. I live in a big city so I’ll probably never see him again.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:37 PM
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It’s almost like words develop different meanings over time
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:34 PM
2

Why not try to make it at least somewhat even? How about 10bil vs TeraChad looks + whatever dick size men want + 6’4” + gets perfectly toned without any effort Do people not know what 10 billion fucking dollars is?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:30 PM
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Do you not know what averages are?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:27 PM
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You’re just so incorrect. Obviously there are people that are more commonly considered attractive, but to say that the vast vast majority of women have hyper-specific tastes, such that it’s virtually impossible for the majority of men to find a woman who is genuinely sexually attracted to them, is a ridiculous assertion.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:41 AM
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Sure, but lots of women love various unattractive guys with weird quirks. Plus, it does show that there is probably someone out there for a lot of guys who have given up.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:33 AM
1

Yes. Yet he would literally be rated a 3 by most people’s standards. So women are able to be physically attracted to non-Chads, which is my entire point.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:25 AM
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Most women do like charismatic guys. I happen to like just how he carried himself, and how he spoke when he did speak. I mostly like guys like that. And I was mostly attracted to him physically. Obviously I didn’t know his personality that well.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:12 AM
1

5’5” at 170 is bordering on obese.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 09:04 AM
1

In theory, but since unhappy, dysfunctional families are more likely to divorce, it’s difficult to determine whether or not they would have been better off if they had stayed together.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:48 AM
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Which aspect of my argument was stupid? Are you suggesting that the only form of discouragement that could lead to a sex disparity in anything is one that is violent and physical? That is well established to be false. Also, your math doesn’t exactly add up. If a larger proportion of med students are now female, and it is due to them being of immigrant background, but the assumption is that of those not from immigrant families, more men than women wish to practice medicine, the proportion of wome…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:43 AM
1

Conversely: arranged marriage, possibility of child growing up in hole where parents constantly fight due to hating each other and getting scarred by that. Wtf? Meat and alcohol? What a weird thing to bring up. It’s clearly correlative but not causative. Arranged marriages are common in India (lower rates of red meat consumption) and Islamic countries (alcohol is disallowed)
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:27 AM
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My cousin just got married to a guy who would be genuinely considered sub4 by bp standards. And they’re both independently wealthy due to stonks so she’s not doing it for the money.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:22 AM
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My first ever crush was a 5’4”, 180lb, Philippino nuclear autist who barely spoke and had crippling depression. He literally didn’t even understand that I was flirting with him because of low self-esteem + autism + being male. I’ve seen shit like this from women more times than I can count.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:19 AM
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I borderline wish it was rare. It honestly isn’t. I’ve seen women swoon, genuinely swoon, over some extremely ugly guys (with dogshit personalities to boot). There have been guys I’ve been attracted to who I could consciously tell were actually hideous by any reasonable standard, but who I still found highly desirable. The heart wants what it wants, and it’s just not at all uncommon for women to actually be sexually attracted to conventionally unattractive men.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:14 AM
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And it’s not even that I disagree with the idea that males and females on average have different interests and skill sets due to innate factors, it’s just that being a doctor has to be the absolute worst choice to support that argument.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:09 AM
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Also, the number of female doctors globally has been increasing incredibly quickly since the 1970s (wow big surprise, I wonder if there were any social factors which discouraged female labour participation before that decade). The majority of med students are now female, and the majority of veterinarians are already female, which is literally just a doctor of animals. It’s difficult not to lol at your belief that it’s actually solely biology that has decided the current proportion of women in me…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:07 AM
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And what makes you think that non-arranged marriages are less harmful to the person, their family, etc.?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 08:01 AM
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The thing that’s stopping me from doing opiates is decidedly not social pressure.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:59 AM
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And of all things, thinking that women don’t want to be doctors because of biology is fucking hilarious. Aren’t women supposed to be the nurturing and affiliative ones, who love helping others and making them feel better? But they don’t want to be doctors because of their biology. Lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:54 AM
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In ancient Athens, being a woman physician was punishable by death. In England in 1540, Henry VIII founded the precursor to what became the Royal College of Surgeons, and decreed that women cannot practice. Medical schools regularly turned away women, and the first women to become a doctor in the UK did so by exploiting a regulatory loophole. Women founded their own hospitals because they were not hired at male-run hospitals, lol.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 07:50 AM
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That being said, it’s actually 19% of neurosurgeons who are female globally, and it’s rising, as is the case for many high-status professions. It’s almost as if women have been systematically excluded from medicine for centuries, and the only reason that nursing is even seen as an acceptable female career path is due to the insane fight by Florence Nightingale to make it so
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:43 AM
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Fair enough.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:37 AM
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https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/12/female-surgeons-nhs-sexually-assaulted-metoo
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:28 AM
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And, as I’ve mentioned in the past, directly to you I believe, I have been attracted to a guy of a very similar weight and height as the one in the post. So, from personal experience I know that it is something that at at least occasionally happens.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:07 AM
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Yep. Also, one of us is a woman who has had many female friends, and one of us is a guy who has never had an in depth conversation with a woman, and likely never will be privy to one, since it’s exceedingly rare for women to discuss things like this with men in any detail. Unless he is exceedingly wealthy, it is rare for a woman to enter into a relationship with a guy she has literally zero attraction towards, especially when in her 20s and not yet looking to have children.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 06:01 AM
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You’re assuming she’s not attracted to him
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:55 AM
1

Is it betabuxxing if a man and woman have a fwb for 5 years, and on one occasion the man buys the woman a $2 coffee?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:05 AM
1

Lmao. So you consider it buxxing regardless of the female partner’s age and sexual history?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 05:00 AM
1

Age relatively young, probably not making that much + betabuxxing is generally understood to be a couple who marry in their 30s after the woman spent her 20s having casual relationships, so even if he makes money this is not really betabuxxing.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:57 AM
-1

5’5” borderline obese 23yo (not betabuxxing) with gf
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:44 AM
2

That’s a literal movie.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:18 AM
-1

Please don’t swarm the OP.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 04:09 AM
1

The blackpill has 2 main schools of thought when it comes to the appearances of men and women: either the distribution of attractiveness is roughly equal in men and women, such that everyone has a looksmatch, or that men tend towards being less attractive, owing to female mating preferences, and therefore, there are a larger number of attractive women relative to the number of attractive men. With both of those possibilities being taken into account, how is it that 5/10 women are able to consist…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:48 AM
1

The study that popularized the idea of the “gender equality paradox” has been heavily criticized for its methodology. You can look up critiques. They’re pretty damming.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:36 AM
10

Be yourself
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:28 AM
1

But 6’3” average face mogs 5’2” model tier face
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:21 AM
2

All other factors controlled for, of course taller guys are better off. I’m not at all attempting to suggest otherwise.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:20 AM
1

5’10” model tier face mogs 6’3” average face.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:19 AM
1

Also, he probably isn’t that fucking tall, he just looks tall next to the microscopic Thai girl
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:15 AM
1

But youve never seen the inverse, average height + high tier face getting swarmed?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:14 AM
1

Lmao Average height + 10/10 face mogs average face + 6’5” infinitely.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:12 AM
1

Jaw, eyes, nose, etc. He’s facially barely above average. You guys are just looking at his height and build.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:11 AM
1

First off, facially, he’s not really Chad. And second, if he didn’t need to geomaxx, how did he suddenly find himself in fucking Thailand? Lmao. Yeah, he just got up one day and decided to go to Thailand for no reason, then just happened to meet a woman there who he then got into a relationship with. Lol. Also, “Chad” and “Alpha” are distinct phenomena. It’s “Alpha” to leave your wife and kids, as per Redpill doctrine, whereas it’s not inherently “Chad” to behave in any particular way, when defi…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 03:05 AM
2

So, a 50year old geomaxxes in Thailand and this is proof that “Chad always wins”? Really?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:36 AM
2

Is it delusional if they can actually receive that kind of treatment? You loathe women, so I doubt you would be willing to even remotely defer to them, but there are plenty of guys who are more than willing to.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:06 AM
1

Why randomly bring up gender studies and working as a barista, and then compare that to college educated men as a whole, who are statistically more likely to have a better paying job in a more respected field? People, both men and women, tend to care about education to the degree that that field in which they were educated is actually respected socially. A man with a philosophy degree working as a fry cook is really only marginally more respected, owing to the fact that anything related to femin…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 01:04 AM
1

Depending on the country and region, options can still end up being very limited due to social factors. Acting like they are looking at the full breadth of potential partners is pretty disingenuous. Also, how are they to determine the degree of sexual chemistry between the two of them, as a third party? Also, many people seem like a good match intellectually on paper, but don’t work well together in practice.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:50 AM
-4

I party agree with this and partly disagree with this. Certainly looks are central. I will not entertain a relationship with a man to whom I have no sexual attraction, but personality is always the deciding factor for whether or not I pursue the relationship. Take 2 identically attractive men. Once I start talking to them, my attraction can either grow massively, or it can dwindle to practically nothing based on perceived intelligence, respectfulness, apparent desire for a short-term vs long-ter…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:35 AM
1

The satisfaction derived from not second guessing the decision to marry your partner (perceiving it as settling) is just one small aspect of the enjoyment of a relationship. There’s also sexual chemistry, intellectual chemistry, emotional chemistry, sexual compatibility (physical and psychological), and more. If you have a narrow selection of partners to choose from, who have been handpicked by your family for primarily social and financial reasons, there is a much better chance that the partner…
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:27 AM
0

Sure, that certainly seems like a possibility, however, a sense of satisfaction is not the only relevant factor when deciding how enjoyable a relationship is.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:18 AM
1

If you ignore the relative stigmatization of divorce and/or separation in countries with and without arranged marriage, I guess it might seem that way.
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:05 AM
1

To be fair, aren’t the mostly “stable” due to social pressures?
/r/AllPillDebate23/09/23 12:04 AM
2

Also having multiple wives was completely legal in China for millennia.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 08:00 PM
3

Literally any Muslim majority country? Really? Polygamy is (EDIT:) halal (Couldn’t remember which term was which)
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:58 PM
2

If you restrict your analysis to Roman citizens, yes, most men were married, but they generally also had female slaves. Non citizen males were likely often not reproducing. And arranged marriages and such are not incompatible with polygyny. It was common in Muslim countries historically, and up to today, for men to have multiple partners.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:57 PM
1

Though I know erect length from my mother telling me.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:34 AM
1

Yes, I’ve seen both my parents nude.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 07:33 AM
0

Keep reading manosphere stuff. I’m sure it will help you get into a great relationship. Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:24 AM
1

By the way, my father is 5’5”, 4-4.5” dick, completely fucking broke, and he’s been with over 100 women, probably due to goated facial genetics. So, it’s not over for you.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:04 AM
1

Facial surgery, ffs.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 06:00 AM
1

Except for all the advanced civilizations that did and still do practice polygamy.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 05:39 AM
-8

First of all, none of this is an even remotely new development. Second, guys punching each other is hot to most women, not off putting.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 05:38 AM
1

Yet it is a qualitatively different experience. If anything, you’ve only supported my argument.
/r/AllPillDebate22/09/23 03:20 AM
2

Yup, female sexual preferences are a totally modern invention.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 04:28 PM
0

Why don’t you get surgery with all your money? Is that getting cucked as well?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 04:17 PM
1

Keep enjoying your traumatic brain injury
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:46 AM
1

Lol. Out of genuine curiosity, are you being serious? I truly can’t believe that you actually believe this, as in, you very clearly come across as trolling.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:44 AM
-3

Nice strawman of feminism, very impressive, must have taken you so long to come up with that super original strawman. And to answer your totally non-rhetorical question, i in fact never said that women are not capable of starting fires with sticks. It’s quite apparent that they are.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 08:33 AM
0

Really, it’s difficult for you to imagine men on average having more knowledge and familiarity with wilderness survival?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:57 AM
-1

And men will fantasize about swimsuit models. Life goes on.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:46 AM
0

It’s almost like, if people have more camping and fishing experience, they’ll fare better when they have to camp and fish.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 07:43 AM
5

I also come across as attractive and charming irl. Yet, you’re currently on the anti-natalist subreddit trying to convince people that the d0gp1ll is real.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 06:58 AM
4

I’m going to be totally real: you make me seem mentally well by comparison. That’s supremely fucked up. Are you sure that all you have is autism? Have you ever been given a full psych eval?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 06:33 AM
14

It’s a pretty common belief of the guys on this subreddit that western women are going to be using them for their money as well.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 05:53 AM
1

Most guys don’t care, as long as they get the sex. There’s a reason prostitution has existed for as long as it has
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:29 AM
1

“Using sex as leverage,” otherwise known as pimping yourself out, is extremely emotionally taxing for most women; it’s a huge trade-off. Which of course you couldn’t possibly understand because you view sex from a male perspective, which is exactly my point.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:22 AM
1

Eating chocolate is enjoyable, but do you think it’s truly comparable to sex? Similarly, “lots of sex” as a woman, and “lots of sex” as a man are completely different experiences.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 03:12 AM
2

be me go to store buy something tfw I realize I’m a cuck for spending money return thing leave job and city to live in woods
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:36 AM
2

Lmao. People paying money for things they want = over
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:34 AM
1

It’s over for people who purchase a house instead of digging a hole in the ground and living in that
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:32 AM
0

It’s over for people who buy food from the supermarket instead of just eating rats and dandelions.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:30 AM
-1

Unfortunately no. I don’t see how paying for things you want makes things “over” for you.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:26 AM
1

women don’t consider men who give them money to be sexual viable How did you even reach this conclusion?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:25 AM
1

Porn has always been popular for men. Look at shunga ukiyo e, for instance, or lewd illustrations and then photographs during the Victorian era. Women spend money on makeup. Is it over for females?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 02:19 AM
1

I’m not saying he wouldn’t, but that’s still not Chad/Tyrone-tier.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:45 AM
0

It’s almost like that sentence wasn’t the only one you wrote.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:13 AM
1

High tier normies get people interested in them. That doesn’t make them Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:09 AM
2

read my mind Lmao is that what we’re calling basic literacy now?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 01:07 AM
0

“Yawn”? You might as well say what you mean. Why not?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:57 AM
0

I am a man and I support men want women to suffer as much as possible Fixed it for you.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:54 AM
1

Doesn’t matter to who?
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:26 AM
1

Lmao your standards for what qualifies as Chad are so low. 6’1” + 6/10 face + autism + black in the US + Reddit user = high tier normie.
/r/AllPillDebate21/09/23 12:18 AM
0

A 6 facially is enough to make you Chad/Tyrone? Really?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:58 PM
0

So just… doing or thinking anything while considering the existence of women makes you a cuck?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:48 PM
2

Haven’t you said that you’re like a 6 facially?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:44 PM
1

Since when? Why is AFBB always the gold standard around here right up until it conflicts with an attempt to make women look bad?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 09:18 PM
1

Most women do not love, nor are attracted to “serial killers, pedophiles, and rapists.” Probably a roughly equal number of men and women actually find themselves fetishizing the people who have been convicted of these crimes in real life. And it’s a relatively small number.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:35 PM
2

How can a conversation about statistical facts be had without empirical evidence being a component of that conversation? I never said your source was “biased,” just that it’s contradicted by the majority of literature on the topic. Methodology probably plays a role in that.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:30 PM
5

The implication here is that ugly women don’t get raped, which is untrue. It can’t exactly be a self-compliment if it’s not contingent upon a woman’s looks.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 08:26 PM
2

There are also men who love psychotic women. What does that prove?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 07:14 PM
-4

What’s narcissistic about it?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 07:04 PM
1

I’m just referring to the fact that there are a lot of studies that effectively contradict your claim. Are you familiar with them?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:46 PM
2

Should I assume that you are familiar with this body of literature as a whole?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:35 PM
1

Really? You truly believe that a negligible percentage of the people who self-identify as Incels have these desires? Or are you trolling?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:22 PM
2

Out of curiosity, would it be disrespectful for the husband to gain weight?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:18 PM
1

Like what?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:13 PM
0

Getting into a relationship doesn’t mean you need to suddenly make big changes about yourself Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:12 PM
2

women on average overrate themselves Source?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:11 PM
-1

Why envy a completely different experience from that which you desire? Do you believe that sex for men and sex for women is even remotely comparable?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:06 PM
1

Are you suggesting that women innately dislike having control?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:29 PM
1

Are you suggesting that only attractive men can be stupid and clumsy?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:25 PM
-2

How is feminism ruining women’s options?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:23 PM
1

Are you suggesting that women don’t organize and change things? What’s feminism?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:48 PM
1

Do you really think that claim is realistic? That it’s the wives of these men who want “more and more money”? Could it really not possibly be that, gasp, men also like and want money?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:44 PM
-3

“Fleecing men” = asking her biological father for money and being honest about what it is for, then receiving it. RatDontPanic: why don’t you unblock me if you want to respond to my shit
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 04:31 PM
1

Oh, I read it wrong. Okay, yeah, nvm
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:37 AM
1

Your mind is so fascinating. Wanting to have sex is not incompatible with a desire to be loyal. You didn’t even say you saw a girl try to cheat. It was literally her boyfriend she said it to. Where’s the lack of loyalty?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:27 AM
1

But what’s wrong with it being true?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 06:22 AM
3

If only it were as easy.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:58 AM
1

Why did this cause you trauma? They’re in a relationship, right?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 05:53 AM
1

There’s literally no reason to assume in either direction, so for you to so confidently state that she must be lacking a responsibility and discipline is absurd.
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:46 AM
-2

There’s no reason to assume that this woman lacks a sense of responsibility or self-discipline. How did you even come to that conclusion?
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:16 AM
2

It’s called autism
/r/AllPillDebate20/09/23 12:15 AM
1

I think that’s what he wants.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:38 PM
-3

What a literally psychotic assumption. Touch a single blade of grass. It doesn’t even have to be fresh.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:34 PM
1

“Men are confident and assertive, women are bitchy and shrill” You can do it in the opposite direction as well.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 11:28 PM
2

Are you suggesting that a true Chad is one who doesn’t sleep around? Again, that seems kind of antithetical.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 06:02 PM
0

Perhaps, but does that pretty much fully defy the traditional definition of a Chad, which is pretty much entirely looks based?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 05:17 PM
0

What does this have to do with being Chad, though? It shouldn’t be relevant.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:58 PM
1

Fair enough
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:52 PM
1

I think it’s reasonable to argue that top 3-5% is Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:27 PM
1

Why are you bringing college major into it?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:26 PM
1

That probably won’t happen for a while.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:19 AM
1

By those standards I would be a Stacey. I thought men didn’t like more defined features in women.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 04:08 AM
1

This doesn’t exactly demonstrate that all these women engaging preferentially in hookups are feminists, which was what the argument was. Also, nothing about women preferring bad boys. The original study that concluded that has some of the worst methodology I’ve ever seen. Most studies show that women prefer nicer guys for short and long term relationships.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:47 AM
1

You can send just the nose, no need to selfdoxx
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:46 AM
1

There’s just no way that the women on true rate me are as pretty as this girl.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:45 AM
1

I don’t really think eye colour is able to genuinely enhance a person’s looks. I’m bisexual, and I thought the first girl in the video was by far the best looking, despite having “plain” colouring.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:37 AM
1

Okay…
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:28 AM
1

No they didn’t. What traits?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:10 AM
1

Can you send pics? I’ll give you an honest assessment.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:09 AM
1

Don’t get your nose done.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 03:06 AM
1

Huh. Odd.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:53 AM
1

Why do you regret getting it?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:51 AM
1

I wouldn’t touch the profile.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:48 AM
1

Elaborate upon your answer, if you care to.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:46 AM
1

Wait, so you think those girls are plain, but the women you sent me you think are model-level attractive?? I think the first girl here is so pretty and cute.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:41 AM
1

I think you’re mixing up 2 different types of women. Where are you getting this idea that all women are so sad that they can’t get Chads commitment?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:28 AM
-1

Feel free to post your citations
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:18 AM
1

That would probably be the majority of women, yes. But then there are also a large minority (roughly 20% of the pop, give or take ~5%), who are mostly interested in short term relationships and hookups. What about wanting an attractive partner is unique to women, though?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:10 AM
0

I don’t think this is representative of all women
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:07 AM
2

Who claims to care? I mean, everyone wants an attractive partner. For long-term relationships, women probably care about as much as men about having an attractive partner.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:04 AM
1

Making each point half a standard deviation could work, imo. Or even 1/4. Just as long as almost no one would score a 1 or 10, because those are generally used to mean very extreme and rare forms.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:58 AM
1

In my eyes, a true 10 would be exceedingly rare. They can’t have just one desirable trait, that’s not enough. Of all the guys who are 6’4”, what percentage of them have well above average facial features, attractive body proportions, are a healthy weight and fit, etc.? It’s a multiplying effect. And don’t even get me started on the ridiculousness of your definition of 2.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:57 AM
1

Everyone is born with their relative value. Men’s capacity to “earn” their value is innate, so therefore as inborn as anything.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:53 AM
2

From an evolutionary perspective, that’s not really necessary. I don’t think most women who have a truly open sociosexual orientation care much about “sharing.”
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:49 AM
1

Yes, more than anything. I didn’t have a chance, though, but I still wish I’d tried.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:48 AM
1

For short term relationships, there isn’t really any need for competition between women, since even high-quality sperm is abundant, so I fail to see how this is true.
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 01:45 AM
1

Then literally 1 in 100 people would be 10s. No one uses 10 like that. Plus, that would make a 2 20th percentile, which, again, no one uses 2 to mean.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 09:31 PM
1

He’s not. Click the picture to see the last guys face. He’s the least attractive.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:29 AM
1

7, 5, 5.5, 5.5, 6, 4.5
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:28 AM
1

Almost all of them are old.
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:15 AM
1

3.5, 6.3, 4.5, 5.5, 3.5
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 03:14 AM
2

Maybe it’s because you’re on Tinder, which is primarily used for hookups. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but are you suggesting that you’d rather castrate yourself than have to get married to attain a sexual relationship? Or just if you make it to your 30s?
/r/AllPillDebate18/09/23 01:59 AM
2

Wtf are these ratings? Are you literally just looking at their bodies?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:40 PM
1

https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/88/2/865/2235342
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 10:25 PM
0

Where? The “hot bod” part?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 09:45 PM
1

Encouraging an increase in demand for sex work increases the likelihood of more women getting dragged into the industry by pimps eager to turn a profit. Prostitutes have higher rates of PTSD than literal combat-exposed soldiers (after adjusting for likelihood of experiencing PTSD by sex, rates are about the same) and the percentage of women who wish to leave the industry but don’t have a viable alternative seems to sit at around 90%. Also, average age of recruitment into prostitution is around 1…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:23 AM
2

I’m curious myself to see what they consider the threshold for “unacceptably fat.”
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:01 AM
2

I think it’s variable, but probably the majority of guys here would, yeah.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 07:00 AM
3

I’m a woman. I’m not an incel. I’m just here for the “discourse,” if you can call it that.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:43 AM
0

Yeah, I’m sure most guys here are pretty average looking.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:37 AM
-1

Why?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 06:24 AM
1

That women overestimate their relationship value.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:32 AM
1

Aren’t you in your 30s?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:32 AM
1

Again, is this true statistically? Do you have empirical support for the idea that this is a widespread phenomenon, or are you just basing your understanding on a few viral videos?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:31 AM
1

Do you have empirical support for your claim that women are worse judges of their appearance than men? Because all the research on that subject that I’m familiar with shows that men are actually worse judges than women on average.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 05:06 AM
1

So you were overtly sexist to all of them?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:42 AM
1

You were directly racist and sexism towards all of them and they still slept with you?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:40 AM
1

And how many times have you actually tried this?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:35 AM
1

What about being outright disrespectful?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:18 AM
1

What evidence do you have that supports the idea that women attaining casual sex makes them believe they are more attractive than they are?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:17 AM
1

What rules to you break?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 03:05 AM
1

You start by saying that men will not feel attraction towards a woman unless she first displays attraction towards him, then suggest that men will be turning down women who are not “sufficiently attractive,” even after those women have made a move? How does this work?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:57 AM
1

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1158369222/molnija-3602-ussr-pocket-watch?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_ca_en_ca_b-jewelry-watches-pocket_watches&utm_custom1=_k_EAIaIQobChMIlZ3iqs2wgQMV0kdyCh2rHAVEEAQYASABEgJ0lvD_BwE_k_&utm_content=go_319627365_51086186587_230547443682_pla-318956358182_m__1158369222enca_102855400&utm_custom2=319627365&gbraid=0AAAAADutTMd_cJ37yyvFOAiG2TK-PTTnG&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZ3iqs2wgQMV0kdyCh2rHAVEEAQYASABEgJ0lvD_BwE
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:32 AM
1

https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/164492651/blue-quadri-modern-cuckoo-clock?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:30 AM
1

Also, what in particular draws you towards clocks? Is it mostly the mechanics, or the general nature of them? The aesthetic, perhaps?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:28 AM
1

Tell us about clocks. What clocks do you have?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:25 AM
-6

Why always jump to this ridiculous extreme. he’s probably just a high-tier normie who works out, which isn’t even remotely in the same category as TeraChad. Thinking about the guys I’ve seen women cry over, they were honestly mostly normies.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:20 AM
-3

Still not coping.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:17 AM
-12

Not necessary for me to cope about this. Also, hot bod isn’t facial attractiveness, is it? Isn’t facial attractiveness sort of a prerequisite to be a fucking TeraChad?
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:16 AM
1

*citation needed
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:13 AM
1

Might as well make it 1:10.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:11 AM
-12

So, just assuming that he’s a terachad. Lmao. You don’t even know what he looks like, nor her. They could be looksmatched for all you know.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:06 AM
1

They also did a woman version, btw.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 02:01 AM
1

Also, lmao You: writes another essay Also you (at end of essay): lololol have fun wasting your time writing another essay, get this, that I’ll never even read. Betcha feel like you’ve wasted all your time now, huh? Me: skims the essay. Barely reads it.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:40 AM
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Should* *for the sake of your own mental health Again, nothing to do with morality. It’s like saying you should use RO water for a saltwater aquarium (if you want it to thrive, which you presumably do). No moral argument present. I’m sorry that you can’t understand the very basic distinction I’ve laid out. Broadly, working towards an optimistic worldview (something that takes time and effort for those it does not come naturally to) can be beneficial because, due to confirmation bias, you are abl…
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:38 AM
-2

Wow, more cherry-picked ragebait. Cool.
/r/AllPillDebate17/09/23 01:26 AM
1

Don’t suggest a prostitute.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:20 PM
1

Lol, starting?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:18 PM
1

Buy one of those robotized RealDolls.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 11:17 PM
1

It’s mental gymnastics to point out that I wasn’t making a moral argument? Lmao. First of all, I was speaking more broadly than you seem to think I was. As you can see, I wasn’t comparing a man who had children that weren’t his, and recognized it, with a man who had children that weren’t his, and who was intentionally deluding himself. I was comparing a man who avoided marriage altogether for the sake of avoiding that scenario with someone who took the plunge and was screwed over but fully didn’…
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 10:58 PM
1

Why are you equating wrongdoing, a moral judgement, with personal happiness? Those are completely different concepts. If you re-read my post, you’ll see that I never stated that any behaviour was or wasn’t moral, like for instance, I never said that it is moral for a woman to cheat on her husband as long as he doesn’t find out. To answer your question, morality is not objective, so if your moral compass is entirely centred on material harm done, and zero material harm is done by something, then …
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 09:46 PM
1

Where is this even coming from?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 09:37 PM
1

So just a compilation of a bunch of women who say they’ve cheated. Probably leaving out all the women who said otherwise. Very scientific. I’m sure you couldn’t do something exactly like this but with men.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 08:23 PM
1

Why are you commenting this here?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 07:54 PM
1

Assuming you were asking, practically speaking, yes, it’s only about 3 days a month. The true fertile window is a bit wider, but the chances of pregnancy are so low on those peripheral days that they don’t really function as such. And this is reflected in women’s sexual appetite, which is generally much higher on those 3 days leading up to ovulation.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:54 AM
1

Are you asking me?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:32 AM
2

Lmao, have you forgotten what subreddit this is? C’mon.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 06:22 AM
1

Yet it’s pretty materially apparent that unattractive women can still sleep with attractive men. You can say that all you want, but it doesn’t change reality.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 02:33 AM
1

You do realize that societies with highly skewed male reproductive success existed in the past and were apparently quite stable?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:35 AM
1

…..okay lmao
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:32 AM
0

Of those women who are unable to get a guy they are interested in to commit, many will likely just not get married.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:30 AM
2

It is “a” goal, but as you might have noticed, it is a goal lots of women are willing to forsake if they fail to attract a desirable suitor.
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 01:22 AM
1

How does this claim contradict human biology?
/r/AllPillDebate16/09/23 12:00 AM
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You do seriously not realize that by making all these arguments you are literally contradicting yourself. If someone displays a blend of masculine and feminine traits, it makes as much sense to consider it a separate third gender as it does to consider any of those other things you mentioned to be distinct.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 11:58 PM
3

That’s deluded. Do you seriously think that there isn’t a single Chad that could work her into his schedule?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 11:55 PM
1

That doesn’t change the fact that green wavelengths are intermediate in length between blue and yellow, and that there is no clear cutoff point for what constitutes any of those three colours, effectively meaning there is no distinct form that constitutes green. Similarly, an intermediate form between masculine and feminine could be defined as a third gender.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:12 PM
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Are you suggesting that a fat older woman couldn’t cheat on her husband with a Chad? That’s pure copium. She’ll cheat with an older Chad. It happens all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 10:04 PM
1

Sure, yes, but most “alternate genders” are more or less defined as some combination of male and female. Saying that there are only 2 genders is like saying only blue and yellow exist, and green isn’t a colour in its own right.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 09:04 PM
1

I suppose it depends on how you define it. I mean, colour is a spectrum yet individual colours are delineated.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:35 PM
1

Why are you even trying here lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 08:29 PM
4

First of all, women are only fertile for around 3 days a month, so of course they aren’t going to be as horny on average. Second, I would say this analysis doesn’t see the forest for the trees. The main reason women are able to be pickier is supply and demand related, but mostly related to the relative abundance of sperm. I’ve gone over this before. If women do not require provisioning by a partner, they are going to be less incentivized to take a long term mate who could be deemed their “looksm…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:53 PM
1

That being said, there’s probably material truth to the claim that gender is a spectrum. Many people display sex-atypical traits and could be said to be not perfectly aligned with masculinity or femininity.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:49 PM
3

I think it’s safe to assume that this isn’t a representative sample.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:46 PM
1

Assuming this is true, I guess because historically the cost of cheating for women would have been greater than for men (getting killed by partner and/or having children killed vs partner being upset and maybe leaving them, but probably staying out of need for resources) and the fact that among the more attractive couples, there is more of an evolutionary incentive for men to cheat than women, since a woman married to an attractive man already has access to high quality sperm, and can’t increase…
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:44 PM
2

Yes
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:41 PM
1

Could you send a link for that?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 07:40 PM
-2

Yes, I know what he’s saying.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:50 PM
0

A lot of women do actually enjoy hookups. There have always been promiscuous women, even when female promiscuity was much more stigmatized. And some women being upset that they can’t get attractive men to commit because they themselves are unattractive is not a new problem. The fact that promiscuity is involved is largely tangential.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 06:49 PM
1

I feel like you could have just said competition for a man. Since high value is relative anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:45 PM
1

Why even say “high value” there? What does it bring to the sentence? How about just any man they are competing for and not necessarily a high value (which is relative anyway) male specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:19 AM
1

I don’t really have a racial preference. I knew 2 GigaChads, one Korean-white, one Japanese-black, but I think their race was just a coincidence.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 04:27 AM
-12

Are you going to elaborate?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 03:54 AM
1

*(it’s brunet and blond for a male) Light hair in general is seen as unattractive by women. Light brown and blond are both way lower tier than dark brown or black. Just because a guy is attractive while having light hair doesn’t mean it’s actually improved his appearance. A lucky combination of traits Jayden easily SMVmogs an “Aryan” Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:58 AM
1

Sorry, is this a troll?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:40 AM
1

How are you arguing that “Aryan” Chad SMV mogs any other Chad when Aryan is pretty much inseparable from blond? Blonds are p much universally reviled by women.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:38 AM
1

Facial masculinity past a certain point doesn’t improve attractiveness, and the results of some studies suggest that it may actually reduce facial attractiveness at extremes. Basically, past the point where sex is discernible, it doesn’t really seem to provide many benefits, aside from enhanced direct competitive ability.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:14 AM
1

I know of one that focuses on men specifically, I’m trying to find it. I believe it demonstrated that attraction to blue eyes is frequency dependant to some extent.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:04 AM
1

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00266-011-9793-x
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 02:02 AM
7

I’m white myself, so not coping. Why are blue eyes intrinsically superior?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:54 AM
-22

Do you want to expand upon that comment? Are you suggesting that she would be better off with fewer freedoms?
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:49 AM
6

Also even thinking white guys are intrinsically better looking is cope.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:45 AM
9

The reason that geomaxxing is successful is because of the socioeconomic leverage it gives you. Japan is the literal worst East Asian country for that.
/r/AllPillDebate15/09/23 01:44 AM
1

I feel like it’s almost narcissistic to assume that women are going massively out of their way, to the point of inconvenience, simply to avoid interacting with 90% of the male population.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:26 PM
1

Are you basing this off of your real life experiences, or blackpill rhet? Because this is simply untrue.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 08:20 PM
1

Everyday platonic interactions with random strangers. Women could not feasibly avoid 90% of men in their day to day lives.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:58 PM
1

On average, yes, so when a guy is both tall and healthy, he exhibits exceptional genetics. That is what a handicap is
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:45 PM
1

Height is a biological handicap. Organisms that remain healthy in spite of a handicap have exhibited exceptional genetics. It’s not simply a matter of being able to win in a fight.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:32 PM
0

I think it can be presumed that stabilizing selection has been occurring for neurological characteristics that influence iq for a while now.
/r/AllPillDebate14/09/23 07:24 PM
1

I’m not referring to sexual attention here. Men are more willing to make accommodations in everyday life for better looking women. Cumulatively, that makes a huge difference across the lifespan of an attractive, vs an average and unattractive, woman.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:06 PM
1

I never suggested that it did, only that it contradicts the assertion made by OP, which is that women care the same amount about physical appearance.
/r/AllPillDebate13/09/23 07:03 PM
1

Yeah, I agree that it’s ultimately easier for women to procreate, I just don’t see that as the ultimate deciding factor for enjoyment of life.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 09:09 PM
1

Desire and suffering are the same, according to some belief systems. If you let go of your desire for procreation, you probably wouldn’t be so miserable, since it’s pretty immaterial for the average guy. If you really like kids, that’s different, but again, most guys don’t.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:58 PM
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Women’s value is also decided by her appearance. Men treat better looking women way better, are more likely to give them more and sacrifice for them. This is obvious if you’ve ever been outside. Be real.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:51 PM
-1

Why is reproduction the be-all end-all here? Most guys don’t even fucking like being around kids. What, just the idea that you’ve procreated is the deciding factor that makes your life enjoyable?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:47 PM
1

Again, not with certainty. This is a complicated topic, there are many angles to it.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:42 PM
2

Of course the results were inconclusive. That’s true for the vast majority of human behavioural studies.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:30 PM
-1

This is a direct quote: “Most importantly, a direct test indicated that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ satisfaction than predicting wives’ satisfaction. These findings strengthen support for the idea that gender differences in self-reported preferences for physical attractiveness do have implications for long-term relationship outcomes.”
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:29 PM
0

Did you just read the first fucking paragraph? That’s the intro. Did you read the summary of the actual study?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:28 PM
1

Let me know if that’s enough or if you want more.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:20 PM
4

Here’s one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4011637/
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:19 PM
2

Sure. Give me a bit.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:18 PM
0

Just tons of studies showing women are less likely to consider men who demonstrate mental traits that are not to their liking (as opposed to men who tend to not care as much), greater likelihood of them becoming more attracted to men as they get to know their personality, etc.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:10 PM
-6

There actually is quite a bit of evidence to support the idea that women care more about personality than men. That doesn’t mean that personality can completely override looks for women, just that on average, women do tend to put more weight on non-physical characteristics.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:07 PM
-3

Keep in mind that this isn’t exclusive to men. Women suffer similarly.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:03 PM
1

Evolutionary psychology does tend to have a pretty low replication rate. That’s not to say that blackpill is wrong (it obviously isn’t) but please don’t just assume any given finding in the field of evopsych is solid.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 08:02 PM
-1

Exactly. I think a lot of people who try to argue that female mate choice is maladaptive fail to recognize this.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 07:56 PM
1

And please stop calling them “innie vaginas.”
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:28 PM
1

So, it’s just a sort of combined effect owing to the size and prominence of the labia majora vs labia minora?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:22 PM
1

I’ve never personally seen that. How would they be large but not visible?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:11 PM
1

But the labia were visible, right? It seems like nobody here even understands how female genitalia works. Sometimes labia sort of “scrunch up,” and look small, but they are clearly still external and if you stretch them out they are fairly large. During certain times of the month, hormones can cause them to “de-scrunch” and extend, since they fill with blood. So, essentially, the same woman can appear very “small” and the “large” within a single month. If you’ve been with that many different wom…
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:07 PM
1

Why do people keep saying “innie”? Jfc. Do you just mean small? The only people who have “innie” labia have some form of intersex condition.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 06:00 PM
2

What country are you from?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:43 AM
1

2 adult women you’ve seen in person barely had any labia except for a very thin strip? That is exceedingly hard to believe, and it definitely isn’t the norm unless you are from a country where female circumcision is routinely performed.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:40 AM
1

On adult women you’ve seen in person?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:37 AM
2

“Innie” “vaginas” (labia) aren’t a thing. They’re always external. If you mean very narrow labia, yes there are adult women like that, but they are exceedingly rare. If you mean pornstars, they’ve probably gotten surgery to look like that.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:35 AM
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Do you realize that you’re basically asking her whether or not she’s prepubescent?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:32 AM
1

I don’t know.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:30 AM
1

I don’t know. If it causes you to behave in ways that are seen as unattractive by women, then yes, probably.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 03:28 AM
17

“Why are all men the same?” Equally dumb question.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 02:46 AM
1

Well if you’re struggling to get into a relationship, there’s probably something wrong with you.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:52 AM
0

Are you sure you’re not high functioning autistic or something?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:44 AM
4

When do I not? Perhaps you’re mistaking me for someone else. I’m blackpilled myself. If I questioned a factual claim, that’s different.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 01:37 AM
1

What about mentally?
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:18 AM
1

To be fair these guys wouldn’t be that good looking even with hair.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:02 AM
1

Maybe your genes aren’t as good as you think.
/r/AllPillDebate12/09/23 12:00 AM
1

The guy I was responding to seems to think it’s a good thing to be that way. Though I disagree that you can’t do anything about it. There are probably ways to delude yourself somewhat.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:57 PM
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You seem to be completely ignoring what I’m saying. You will be markedly less attracted to your partner at 50 than at 25. This is for biological reasons. No 50 year old woman can naturally conceive. They are functionally infertile despite generally still menstruating. There is not much of a reason for a man with a 50 year old wife to care that much about her on any level. Evolutionarily, it makes way more sense for him to seek out mating opportunities with women who are still fertile, which is s…
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:54 PM
2

In some cases I think it’s appropriate, but something like this is so close to common sense that asking for a source for it is like asking for a source that shows that water is wet. “Do people have more of a desire to have sex with more attractive people.” Really?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 11:42 PM
1

Okay. I’m sure they’re all super happy
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:58 PM
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As long as they take care of themselves and have good genes. And even then they still won’t be nearly as attractive as they were. Heck, even most 50 year old men who took care of themselves aren’t that good looking. Do you honestly think it’s realistic that the average 50 year old woman will be even a 10th as appealing to you as she was at 25?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:56 PM
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What was incorrect about any of that? Just because you’re unable to recognize reality doesn’t mean that those who are are lack sanity.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:54 PM
1

Oh brother.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:23 PM
2

I’d love to hear what I’ve said that you think is “insane.”
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:21 PM
1

Why don’t you find somewhere else to troll?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:10 PM
1

From your perspective, you’d have 4 kids who were just like you, physically and behaviourally, and one “odd-ball.” It’s not out of the ordinary for one kid to be “off” in some way despite being biological, so I can really see how this would impact your enjoyment of your children too much as a whole.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:09 PM
1

Okay. But if you didn’t know about it, and you had 4 biological kids in addition to the 1 non biological one, what’s the big deal?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 10:04 PM
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You seem to be the one who isn’t “reading what’s presented.” I NEVER SAID THAT OTHER FACTORS DON’T PLAY A ROLE
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:59 PM
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I don’t know what you think you’re proving here. As I have repeatedly mentioned, I don’t believe that partner attractiveness is the only factor, merely that it is a major one, especially for women.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:57 PM
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Honestly, for the average guy, becoming aware of partner cuckoldry would probably end up harming him reproductively. If, say, his partner’s first child wasn’t his, he would stop being in a relationship with her, and would miss out on potentially having biological kids with her, whereas if he was none the wiser, he would be able to have his own kids with her eventually.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:43 PM
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Do you really want to have women “keep popping out babies” until we exceed the our current carrying capacity? Is that really a smart move, do you think? Reducing global population somewhat is probably a good thing long-term.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:39 PM
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When have I ever virtue signalled? Am I “all women”? Ffs. Most people virtue signal in one way or another. This isn’t a woman thing.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:33 PM
2

This just fucking happened: https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/XfmfK8HBaN
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:00 PM
3

”Mind reader”? You asked for a fucking source for whether or not partner attractiveness affects libido.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 09:00 PM
3

I never denied that. It was you who was skeptical that literal partner attractiveness would be one of those circumstances. I was pointing out how ridiculous that skepticism is.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:55 PM
3

Am I dumb to assume that the relative attractiveness of someone’s sexual partner influences their motivation to engage in sexual acts with that person? I don’t know, you tell me.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:53 PM
23

Well low libido is real (hormonal factors unrelated to partner appearance can cause fluctuations), but yeah obviously partner attractiveness plays a big role in a number of dead bedroom marriages.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:52 PM
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“Source?” Rofl. Are you kidding me? You acknowledge that libido can vary due to circumstances but then you need a source to confirm that partner attractiveness would play a role? Would it be easier for you to get hard for, and find the motivation to fuck, some vogue model or a hideous bog witch? This is so fucking basic, come on.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 08:50 PM
1

I never said that, but I have little sympathy for passport bros who get stiffed. If you actually thought a desperate foreign woman really loved you, that’s delusional.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 07:35 PM
1

In situations where the economy was heavily labour based? A lot of lower class women who could not have relied on their families would have needed to marry to sustain themselves.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 07:23 PM
1

I can’t condone supporting the sex trade. Most women who work as full service prostitutes loathe their work and would love to leave it, but don’t have better options. Rates of PTSD are unbelievably high among sex workers. And most married guys are having sex at least semi-regularly. Dead bedrooms are an exception, because most of the time they just lead to divorce.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 04:04 AM
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I guess if you’re able to get hookups consistently, go for it. But men generally get married precisely because they cannot do that. Most married guys are having sex way more consistently than guys who exclusively hook up. Most guys would be proud of 10 hookups in a year, but that still means they literally only had sex 10 times over the course of an entire year.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 03:34 AM
1

Or just not make connections between things in the first place.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 03:27 AM
1

Also, more advice I can give is: if you come up with a good idea for a discussion when reading another discussion, just create a new post.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:55 AM
1

Of course they are going to react badly to you trying to strip away their coping mechanisms. And yes, that unironically.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:48 AM
1

It’s Reddit, which tends to have somewhat higher standards for writing quality than other social media sites, since it’s primarily a discussion forum. I think most people here expect a degree of formality, and it makes reading what others have written a lot easier. My reason for bringing up iq, iirc, was that the guy I was responding to called me low iq once and so I started doing it to him in response, essentially to troll him. As for your writing style, excessive use of short forms and too man…
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:46 AM
1

A: no one asked B: you have an annoying writing style, and seeing as you are apparently over the age of 14, I recommend at the very least fully spelling out “you,” instead of using “u.”
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:30 AM
1

I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. To say that something is “just an ideology” and doesn’t impact how people feel is pretty weird. I think it’s quite a reasonable assumption to make that the ideology you carry with you can significantly impact how you see and experience the world, and those filtered experiences can then affect your emotional state.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:18 AM
1

Just reach Nirvana, bro
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:16 AM
1

Well, if you’re so happy, why are you here? This isn’t a place for happy people.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:12 AM
0

Why are you on a pill subreddit, then?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:11 AM
-2

Yeah but what good has it done you?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:09 AM
-2

Why?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:05 AM
4

Meh, you probably could find ways to delude yourself still. Also why redpill not blackpill? If anything, I’d say redpill is as deluded as bluepill, just in different ways.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 02:01 AM
1

It’s still an opinion. Ask yourself what knowledge of truth has ever done for you.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:59 AM
1

Then enjoy your bluepill
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:57 AM
1

You won’t feel the same way about her when she’s older.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:54 AM
1

What’s 100% of your money worth of you’re wallowing for your whole life? Also, just marry a woman who works, then it wont be a full 50%.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:51 AM
1

2 possibilities, either you’re trolling me, which is what this looks like, or you are genuinely deluded. Either way, my point still stands.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:48 AM
1

And when she’s 40? 50? 60? Do you really think you’ll feel no different about her?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:46 AM
1

Yeah, exactly. Your point?
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:45 AM
3

It takes amazing skill to spin this as you have. Are you suggesting that men don’t fantasize about other women when fucking their older wives? Not one post can ever paint anything other than men as the victims and women as the perpetrators. Reality isn’t like that.
/r/AllPillDebate11/09/23 01:41 AM
0

Really, there’s no support for the idea that men prefer naive partners? Are you sure of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:09 AM
1

Yes I’m sure that most guys who date younger want a more mentally capable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:06 AM
1

Can confirm: I’m not normal
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 10:28 PM
1

My response to RatDontPanic (bro you have me blocked, why are you responding to me like we can have a discussion right now): We’re not even talking about generic value because then we would have to start a discussion about infrastructure maintenance and provisioning (betabuxxing). This is purely about smv. Males and females are kind of inverses of each other in this regard. Males, according to evolutionary theory, should always seek to mate with all females, and females should always seek the hi…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 10:12 PM
-2

Please cope harder.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 09:27 PM
1

you
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:36 PM
1

I said i was given one as a child, and then one later as an adult that wasn’t really an iq test, but was testing me for some specific cognitive function. Also, idgaf about having a discussion about the relative validity of various iq tests I was fucking memeing when I called you low iq.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:21 PM
1

Both.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:16 PM
2

Yes most people are totally stupid. Have you seen the state of the world?
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 08:16 PM
2

If this is too much to read, feel free to skip to the part where I mention that my tested score is actually much higher than his: https://reddit.com/r/AllPillDebate/s/rqph56d4KC
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 07:30 PM
1

I’m arguing that it’s context dependant. In the absence of Chads, women’s standards would adjust. As I mentioned, it’s already been demonstrated that women’s standards are fluid and respond to quality of available males. That is to say, if some incel was the last man on Earth, he would start looking pretty good to most women.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:59 PM
2

I would argue that women’s desire for quality in a mate is equivalent to men’s desire for partner quantity. It’s infinite. It will expand to fill any space.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:54 PM
1

Untrue. It’s known that woman’s standards shift in response to average male quality. So high tier normies would become the new Chads.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:48 PM
2

For example, if women were exposed to some lab grown nuclear teraChad, all typical Chads would suddenly look sub5.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:42 PM
1

I’m not saying that more attractive men aren’t more desirable, just that women’s standards shift in response to whatever the average and highest available tiers are. Thus, no inherent smv.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:40 PM
-1

No, because if all the Chads and Chadlites died off somehow, women would settle for fucking normies out of desperation, thus raising the normies smv. Similarly, if all normies and sub4s died, and the lowest tier of man was Chadlite, standards would rise and chadlites would become the new normies. Therefore, no inherent smv.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:38 PM
-1

I would argue that no man has inherent smv. It’s entirely context dependant.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:24 PM
1

That’s certainly the reason given by a lot of Incels, although I think that’s a bit of an oversimplification. And I’m not sure why you keep saying that. Those things are not mutually exclusive. Desire is infinite. You could just as easily say that men are settling by not being able to fuck every woman on the planet. It’s irrelevant to bring something like that up, since what I’m focusing on is partner appearance.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 07:14 AM
1

Do you expect me to respond to this tangent?
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:35 AM
1

Why even bring up men preferring a fwb? I was just talking about physical appearance. Incels are upset that any partner they could get would find other men better looking, but the same is true for them. Also, I would say that a lot of men wouldn’t prefer fwb, since, from a reproductive investment perspective (k/t strategies, etc.) if they are unable to get multiple sexual partners, it makes way more evolutionary sense to provision the one partner they do have, to maximize offspring survival rate…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:33 AM
6

Since when do you only criticize attractive women? You’re all often the harshest on low tier women since you think they should be settling for you instead of fucking Chad.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:11 AM
1

First of all, I never even used the term exploiting. “Taking advantage” is a neutral term. You can use it for anything, and lots of instances aren’t what most people would consider bad. You can, for example, take advantage of low prices on avocados during a boom year to start a guacamole business. This doesn’t harm anyone but it is taking advantage of certain circumstances. Your example is similar. You go to a cheap neighbourhood to take advantage of the lower prices there (though I hope you tip…
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 06:02 AM
4

Harems are not inherently polygynous. Learn the actual definition of words before you use terms like “quite literally by definition” in regards to them.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 05:46 AM
1

Sort of.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 02:44 AM
1

Did they seem unhappy? Also, women have always slept around. This is nothing new.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:21 AM
1

“Im microscopic. Im crying rn because my cock is only 20” and not 50’. Everyone knows chicks will only fuck guys enthusiastically who are at least 40’ and weigh multiple metric tons. Why was I cursed? Time to LDAR.”
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:10 AM
1

Why do you equate desire for casual sex with hedonism. I’m the biggest hedonist I know and I don’t have casual sex because I simply don’t desire it. It has nothing to do with self-control.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:04 AM
2

That is not what a harem is, actually, “by definition.” Harem =/= polygamy. Those are separate concepts and one is able to exist without the other.
/r/AllPillDebate10/09/23 01:01 AM
1

It’s obviously far less common for people to pity children women than men. Few people think that a permanent bachelor is miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:18 PM
3

No one says this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:01 PM
1

There are a lot of copelords on this subreddit who like to pretend that any woman with a bmi over 25 is instantly hideous.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:41 PM
1

I mean men who were admitted pedophiles. And yes, many pedophiles are good at concealing their desires.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 08:08 PM
0

Yeah I am skeptical that the majority of women, not bots but actual women, have low enough self-esteem that they would fuck a proud convicted pedophile because he was attractive. Maybe I’m bluepilled still, idk.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:55 PM
1

I would agree that point 2 was wrong, but for different reasons. Historically, it was easier for men to get a partner because women required one for financial reasons. Now that this is no longer a case, a number of women whose former “match” is so reprehensible that the only worse alternative to being with him is starving to death on the street are no longer going to choose him, because they can just work to survive.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:52 PM
2

What was the surgery, out of curiosity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 07:43 PM
1

Because I’m the case of the foreign women, they don’t want to be with you, but they do so because they hope you will marry them and save them from poverty. If you don’t actually have any intention of doing so, you’re taking advantage of her desperation, which is cruel.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 07:28 PM
1

Yet it’s widely acknowledged by the incel community that gigachads get chased by women. It’s “hunting” in the case of low value men because it is an evolutionary disadvantage for a woman to procreate with them.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 03:13 AM
1

Already explained it. You’re too low iq to understand my fucking 6 word basic explanation
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 02:04 AM
1

Yet the predator-prey analogy is still low iq
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 02:00 AM
0

Prey never wants to get caught.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:57 AM
0

What victim blaming? Blaming someone for being a horrible person? No, most likely there’s nothing you can actually do about it and it’s mostly innate, I just don’t think that you make anyone suffer a relationship with you if you’re actually like that.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:51 AM
-2

I would suggest trying to find someone who actually likes you. And if you can’t, and you’re not absolutely hideous, perhaps your personality really is dogshit and all the more reason to never get married and spare the rest of the world.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:37 AM
1

Desire, attraction, etc. Doesn’t have to be purely physical. And I never said that the woman didn’t benefit, simply that it is clearly taking advantage of someone’s unfortunate situation, and that it hints at some kind of antisocial personality disorder, because you are most likely going to end up with someone who genuinely does not want you on any level that is not business.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:35 AM
2

What truly defines “taking advantage” in a relationship context is that the person does not want to be with you at all and is doing it simply to escape whatever circumstances they are in that offer a worse alternative. It takes a pretty terrible alternative for a woman to choose a life with a man she has zero interest in.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 01:25 AM
2

You literally do not understand evolutionary theory on even the most basic level.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 01:04 AM
1

It’s not really delusional for women to adjust their standards of attractiveness when there are better options around. Also, most people don’t use the 1-10 rating scale with any kind of objectivity. They basically go off of vibes, where a 5 is meh, not per se average. So it isn’t even wrong.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:34 AM
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Okay. Doesn’t negate my point, since they see you as a foreigner who may have money who could take them out of the hell world they live in. Again, it’s not some kind of evil action in and of itself, as long as you are actually intending to marry a woman there and not just get their hopes up and leave them possibly pregnant or something (like a psychopath), but your desire for a woman who has 0 real interest in you is creepy and suggests that you have significant antisocial tendencies.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:26 AM
0

Not Incels. Incels seem to often go too far in the opposite direction, from what I’ve seen from rate me posts. And no, most women are 100% aware of how attractive they are.
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:21 AM
3

I love how you rationalize your desire to do this by saying that “if an adult agrees to my terms I can’t possibly be considered to be taking advantage of them.” Yes, you can and are. You’re taking advantage of her worse socioeconomic position. Not to say that she doesn’t get anything out of it and isn’t going to be better off for it, but “taking advantage” is a perfectly apt assessment of geomaxxing. The woman would probably not have chosen you if she wasn’t born into poverty, and probably won’t…
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:14 AM
0

I never said there aren’t delusional women out there, but to act like this is entirely exclusive to women and not just as common or (most likely) much more common in men is absurd
/r/AllPillDebate09/09/23 12:04 AM
1

No, actually. Tons of redpillers are completely delusional
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 11:05 PM
2

How tf have you made that same mistake 8 god damned times?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 10:33 PM
1

Though of course it’s most likely that OP is of the opinion that these are only negative traits in women
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:06 PM
1

It did seem like a critique. I never personally claimed that those traits don’t have a positive side. If you were just generically announcing that, okay…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:02 PM
1

No one used looksmatch to mean this.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:01 PM
1

It was a response to OPs claims that AWALT. Men are even worse in all the ways he mentioned.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 10:00 PM
1

Wanting to moneymaxx and geomaxx is delusional for a bunch of guys who are so afraid of being cucked. Redpill is sub8 cope.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:58 PM
1

Redpill is the height of cope and way more cringe than the bluest bluepill.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:54 PM
-1

Low iq analogy
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:52 PM
2

For LTR. Most women are not deluded enough to think hookups mean anything. You guys need to stop parroting that
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:51 PM
1

2 people looking similar does not make them a looksmatch. 2 people being of a similar level of attractiveness is what makes them a looksmatch
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:47 PM
-1

Feels like projection
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 09:44 PM
1

If you draw your attention to the first 3 words of my comment…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 08:34 PM
1

Lmao. I’m just going to ask you point blank: do you consider yourself particularly familiar with neuroscience?
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 04:17 PM
12

Completely by-choice child free women (not coerced by a partner, not infertile or couldn’t find a good husband to have kids with, etc.) are rarely miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:06 PM
1

Who broke it off?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:11 PM
1

She can go to a sperm bank. I know a quite a few women who decided that they would use one if they were still single at 40, and ended up having a few children and just raising them alone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:08 PM
1

“just give us 1 woman”
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 05:28 AM
0

You mistakenly responded to my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:04 AM
1

I’m sure there are a lot of women who do wish they had the power to outright force a man they are attracted to to be with them. It’s really not too dissimilar.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 04:11 AM
0

You know, if you actually bothered to keep up with neuroscience literature, or had any familiarity with the subject at all, frankly. you wouldn’t embarrass yourself by saying stuff like this.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 02:18 AM
1

u/RatDontPanic Why whenever this topic is brought up as a theoretical exercise do people always act as though it would be an overnight loss, as opposed to a gradual phasing out? Yeah, obviously if 45% of the working age population disappeared, there would be trouble. That’s a given.
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 02:07 AM
4

Well, birds of a feather…
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 12:22 AM
-5

Show an example not from that psychopath
/r/AllPillDebate08/09/23 12:20 AM
1

I’ve heard it levels out by the 3 year mark. Like how adult men don’t have as high a sex drive as when they were teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:18 PM
1

How long have you been on t for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 11:04 PM
0

But she would be forced to be with you
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:28 PM
-2

One woman who you would…. not have power over?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 10:17 PM
3

Out: striving for Nirvana In: clinging to Samsara with every shred of strength you can muster
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:54 PM
4

Maybe do some introspection to realize the reasons why you find me annoying.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:40 PM
4

I guess I was projecting a bit. Hahaha
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:33 PM
3

Loooool ya
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:32 PM
12

I don’t think it would take much for you to want to rape a woman to death, or whatever shit you fantasize about. You obviously loathe us. It’s probably just that you barely ever interact with women irl in any kind of non refined and informal context.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:29 PM
4

Lol. I mean in a dating context. I’m a turbo autist and skinny and would have a micro dick if I was a guy. I would be absolutely doomed.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:25 PM
27

Ya I would be completely screwed if I was a man.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 09:00 PM
1

So just racists who exist in all spaces? Mfw I realize racists exist everywhere
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:45 PM
1

Feminists are blaming random guys for violence committed by other men of the same background?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:34 PM
1

But would you call that being a sucker? Promiscuous guys do tend to end up with promiscuous women for long term relationships when they actually settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:29 PM
1

I’m just curious where you draw the line. If a woman kisses tons of men but never has PIV sex with any of them, is that being a whore? At what level of intimacy does an act become sexual in nature?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 08:04 PM
1

Ok. What about kissing?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 07:46 PM
1

You consider oral sex to be a hookup?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 07:21 PM
1

Or they’re just genetically lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:19 PM
1

So just any woman who has sex before marriage?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:54 AM
1

Is whores all women?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:52 AM
1

I find it fascinating that these results have been consistently hovering around 40% yes 60% no.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 05:51 AM
3

Exactly. You could also say the inverse is true for something like sorrow or fear. Women tend to display it more, making it more apparent. This doesn’t necessarily actually reflect a difference in the intensity experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:08 AM
5

According to some studies, men may actually feel joy more intensely as well, though this things are difficult to measure. Keep in mind as well that outward displays of emotion don’t necessarily reflect the experienced intensity. It seems like you’re not actually that familiar with the literature on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:06 AM
6

Sports, to be fair, are mock-war.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 03:22 AM
1

That was literally incoherent. I have no idea what you’re trying to say.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:46 AM
0

This is assuming you like licking pussy, I guess.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 02:16 AM
1

Like, you can say that you don’t personally find them that attractive. That doesn’t change the fact that they are average to above average. Average people aren’t super good looking, I agree, but your subjective assessment of their desirability does not change what they materially are.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:56 AM
1

Also, you’re actually delusional. 5 is average. None of those women are 3s. Do you not understand that the vast, vast majority of people are a 4-6? None of those women are considerably below average. A 3 is full blown ugly. Those women are like 5.5-6. Slightly above average. And most men find that body type attractive, so I have to assume you like really skinny women.
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:53 AM
1

What’s a 9 in your opinion?
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 01:50 AM
1

So you’re hypothetical future wife is a perfect virgin does whatever you want without question, is exceedingly attractive, etc. Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:26 AM
1

Yeah, so that would be the same regardless of rating system
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:04 AM
1

Idgaf what you use, just show me a 5
/r/AllPillDebate07/09/23 12:03 AM
1

What do you actually base your rankings off of? I personally believe there are two main schools of thought when it comes to the use of looksrating numbers. One is simply using percentiles, so in that case, using decimals is important for accuracy, the second is using a standard deviation system. So which are you using? I feel like regardless of which you use there is functionally no way that Lena Dunham scores a sub 4.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:52 PM
4

She’s a tradcon. She’s obviously fucking racist lmao.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:32 PM
2

Truecels.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:27 PM
1

Do you mean my picture? I’m not self doxxing. Also, what does this have to do with me? I’m just curious what you would consider a 5. I think you’re insane and deluded to call Lena Dunham (pre-weight gain) a 3. She’s at least average. Facially she’s probably above average (larger eyes, relatively symmetrical, decent proportions). I’m having a hard time seeing how she’s an outright 3, so I’m just curious what you would consider average.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:26 PM
2

Women irl think it’s misogynistic for men to not want to do this?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 11:19 PM
1

I mean, they have the most reason to be, don’t they?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:58 PM
1

I think it’s a kink thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:49 PM
1

Yes, I agree.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:49 PM
0

How did you even reach this perception? You really need to log off, jfc.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:48 PM
1

Why tf wouldn’t Chads (esp Chadlites) be bluepilled?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:43 PM
2

Assuming you weren’t.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:26 PM
2

Obviously not all Beckies will end up with a Chad. That’s basic math. I’m merely pointing out that the idea that men who fuck around will end up with a virgin is generally false.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:25 PM
3

Exclusive, but no chance of going all the way.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:05 PM
1

Why not?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 09:04 PM
5

But you still wouldn’t take this offer? Okay.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:54 PM
1

Are you a genuine inkwell?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:54 PM
1

Chad “settles” for “cc riding roastie.” Shouldn’t he get a virgin 17 year old?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:53 PM
0

Read the first comment, copelord.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:49 PM
6

I feel like this is probably just confirmation bias. I live in Canada and asians of the same background date each other all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:48 PM
1

What would be a 5 to you?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 08:14 PM
1

Most people who marry in their 30s aren’t waiting to have kids, since they were likely dating for a while before marriage. I know lots of women who got married at 30+ and had well over 2 children.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:49 PM
1

Statistically false.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:46 PM
1

Do you think that if you manage to get a virgin that she will be sexually submissive and want to please you? Hahahahaa. Omg.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:42 PM
3

So, this has little to do with marriage age, and why say 5-6 if all you want is replacement level. You’re incoherent.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:38 PM
-1

Of course there are also numerous studies that show that most women only have a few relationships in their lives and don’t tend to have interest in casual sex, but of course those are all fake too.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:36 PM
1

in order to have 5-6 children and keep shit going What do you think infant mortality is like in wealthy countries these days? Also, most women who started at 33 could easily have more than 2 children if they wanted to.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:33 PM
0

They would just call it betabuxxing
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 07:18 PM
1

Just offering some friendly advice.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:41 PM
1

It’s cringe. Who tf actually uses it unironically?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:37 PM
2

Did you or did you not deposit the phrase “cute virgin waifus” unironically?
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 06:03 PM
1

What are you not getting here? I have to assume that you’re being intentionally obtuse or engaging in self-delusion. I did not claim that subjectivity did not play any role in performance evaluations. I did not claim that women are entitled to higher pay for relatively lower quality work. You seem to be completely ignoring everything I’m saying so that you can hold on to your current narrative.
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 03:22 AM
1

Dude if you think that you’re not a nihilist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:42 AM
1

Reproducing isn’t even a purpose of life. Life doesn’t have any inherent “purpose.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:40 AM
1

What are you hoping to achieve with this interaction?
/r/BlackPillScience06/09/23 12:25 AM
2

In practice, yes, no two employees are identical, but companies assess employee performance in order to decide who, for instance, receives a wage hike or bonus. So the variation in wages between individuals filling the same position in a company is decided by employee performance. Common sense suggests that a degree of objectivity is used to determine pay. Therefore, if a woman could reasonably argue that, based on company criteria, her performance is identical or superior to that of a man who w…
/r/AllPillDebate06/09/23 12:23 AM
3

Wow, you’re actually learning. Amazing.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:44 PM
0

Least delusional incel
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:43 PM
3

How are you rationalizing that claim to yourself?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:26 PM
1

Most people aren’t overwhelmed by dating options. Quit complaining about being 5’10” when there are actual 5’1” guys.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 11:24 PM
0

5’10” is well within viable range in most countries. Where are you, US?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:48 PM
1

If western women are now going out of their way to date Korean men, how is this not an increase in smv for Korean men?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:33 PM
5

For equal work, yes, they are.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:22 PM
5

Well, you can’t rely solely on anecdote when constructing an argument. No actual debate is like that.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:20 PM
2

Lol okay ma’am
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:01 PM
2

I’ll explain it, then: you have brain damage. My condolences.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 10:01 PM
1

Hell if I know.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:59 PM
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There’s already a word that is regularly used that means that exact thing, though. No one uses “reciprocitous.” If a term that originates in a subculture becomes widely used and understood in that subculture, it is considered a slang term, and if it then spreads to broader culture, so that its meaning becomes universally recognized and understood, then at that point it is typically a considered an actual word.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:59 PM
1

Western media disseminates and influences cultures around the globe. The inverse can happen as well. Look at how many western girls now fetishize Korean men due to the popularity of Kpop.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:56 PM
2

Also, btw, reciprocitous isn’t a word. You mean reciprocal.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:50 PM
1

Spousal rape was only recently made illegal. I would say there is a general tendency among men to feel entitlement towards sex. Believe whatever you want, but men regularly approach women asking for a date then blow up and start insulting and threatening her when they are turned down.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:46 PM
1

Why construct this dichotomy for zero reason? Physical attraction has both directly biological and cultural influences.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 09:40 PM
1

Enjoy the brain damage.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:52 PM
0

I barely talk to anyone in person these days. I certainly don’t continue speaking to anyone even remotely condescending.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:31 PM
0

I don’t. Unfortunately, most men are like this.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:28 PM
2

What does the ubiquity of something have to do with its morality? You are the one who was trying to argue that Spartans were more moral than modern people, am I wrong? So how is that the case?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:05 PM
2

So it’s moral to rape and kill random people who did nothing to you because humans “need” an “enemy”?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:03 PM
2

Also, are you seriously arguing that men in Ancient Greece didn’t rape their slaves? Are you fucking joking?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 08:00 PM
2

Spartans were literally soldiers who attacked other communities and killed people in order to accrue resources. If you want to call that the height of human morality, go ahead, but I’m sure their victims would disagree.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:56 PM
2

Rape (of lower status women and men) was entirely socially acceptable in Ancient Greece.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:54 PM
0

Yes, it’s not surprising you haven’t seen it, since men are most likely to react badly to rejection when they are alone with the woman. If you’re seriously trying to argue that there’s any possibility that women tend to utilize more violent mate guarding strategies than men, you’re deluding yourself.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:52 PM
1

Do you know how random sampling works?
/r/BlackPillScience05/09/23 07:50 PM
1

The statement I made has nothing to do with bp. I just hate when people act like modernity is what “ruined” people. No, people have always been this way.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 07:07 PM
0

Wow. You, a man, have never seen men freak out after being rejected? I wonder why that is.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:44 PM
7

No one is inherently entitled to anything, but women are actually technically entitled to equal pay according to the law in many countries.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:42 PM
1

If you think being pushy, overbearing, and outspoken are negative traits in a partner, you could only hope to imagine what the average woman has to deal with.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:26 PM
1

Think rationally for a second. Do you think that the majority of men in the past were desirable partners?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:24 PM
1

I did explain that. A moderately unhealthy guy who’s taller probably still has better genes than a healthy guy who’s shorter. Women will definitely gold dig guys who are not self made, but since women do find themselves more attracted to guys who are self made than aren’t, this points to it not purely being about the money, but also being about the fitness display of being able to provision well. So, genuine attraction to the man for his genes. No, a woman will not be more attracted to a guy sim…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 06:17 PM
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High IQ does not automatically mean good genes. Our modern perception that the higher the IQ the better is not necessarily reflective of what is actually evolutionarily optimal now or in the past. The average person tends to prefer a somewhat smarter than average mate, but 130+ people are seen as less desirable. This actually mirrors the pattern of attraction for height. Women (and men) prefer somewhat taller than average partners, and exceedingly tall people are actually disliked by the majorit…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:39 PM
1

Mirrored in the perceptual sense from the perspective of NTs. I thought it was obvious that I didn’t mean that it was actually an indication of antisociality in the case of autistics. That was my point, actually: that autistic people who are not currently engaged in antisocial behaviour come across as being so due to the fact that NTs do similar things but only in that context.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:08 PM
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It’s not a universal claim. Not all autists act that way, but it is common. What exactly are you disputing, might I ask?
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:55 PM
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What do you mean, horseshit? How the fuck is one male going to provision 5-10 females under natural circumstances? It just doesn’t happen. The only reason this is possible for humans is because of the accrual of wealth by elites. The emperor of China was not provisioning all of his partners. Random poor men were.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:12 PM
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Does every statement and claim ever made have to be based off of an extant, well replicated study? Give me a break. These are my personal observations. It is common sense that the fidgety movements and shifty eyes that autists display under most circumstances resemble suspicious behaviour in NTs.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:01 PM
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Replying to RatDontPanic here since he blocked me: I’m not suggesting that that doesn’t happen, but it’s also incorrect to say that displaying provisioning abilities isn’t a demonstration of good genes that can increase women’s attraction towards you.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:59 PM
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The issue is that normal autistic behaviours mirror the behaviour that neurotypicals engage in shortly before or after engaging in antisocial behaviours (ie crimes and shit). So a lot of autists just look criminal and dangerous by default.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:45 PM
1

Lots of sex offenders are hyper NT.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:39 PM
1

That’s interesting. What were the sample sizes? I wouldn’t be surprised if it has increased, but I also wouldn’t be surprised if it hasn’t. A lot of species have pretty consistent rates of extra-pair paternity.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:37 PM
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Gunpowder recipes vary between regions, and especially did so historically, but the gun, as in a projectile weapon involving explosive powder and a metal ball, originated in China. Also, up until fairly recently, nothing of considerable note was invented in Europe. The success of Hellenistic societies was owed massively to imported Iranian and Chinese inventions and discovered concepts. Almost all domesticated animals originate from Asia as well.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:24 PM
1

More intelligent women also have higher rates of virginity. I don’t think that the relative attractiveness to the majority of the population that high IQ associated traits confer is the main factor contributing to the higher rates of virginity in those with higher IQ. And yes, obviously betabuxx and chad are seen in different ways by women. But that’s not to say that no genuine attraction can be generated through demonstrating provisioning abilities. It’s known that women are much more attracted…
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:20 PM
1

This sounds more like sequential polygyny, or serial monogamy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 03:00 PM
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Just so you know (assuming you didn’t), there isn’t much provisioning done on the part of the male in highly polygynous species. That’s very much the instinct of a monogamous species.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:59 PM
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I’m assuming that the concern (somewhat consciously, somewhat unconsciously) is that they will be cuckolded, which is a risk in all pair bonding species. The investment of resources into young which are not their direct descendants is something they are fearful of, and they acknowledge that better looks can reduce the likelihood of this occurring.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:55 PM
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Are you not able to recognize that the ability to accrue resources is a display of fitness, ie phenotypic, ie a demonstration of good genes? So women can be attracted to betabuxx on account of their genes.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:43 PM
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Yeah I guess you would hope that. Too bad you didn’t.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 02:40 PM
0

What rules? Do you mean principles? Because these are not actual rules in modern society. Sorry you weren’t born 2000 years ago
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 05:44 AM
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I don’t know, I just figured it out. I think about the world a lot, and have from a young age.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:24 AM
1

Stating your opinion like a fact makes you sound cognitively disabled.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:22 AM
1

I’m well aware of all this, I came to these realizations myself, but I still have a high sex drive.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:13 AM
1

From a man’s perspective. Please familiarize yourself with the concept of subjectivity.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:07 AM
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Yes, exactly my point. There’s a huge degree of subjectivity in comedy.
/r/AllPillDebate05/09/23 04:04 AM
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“Cherry picked topics” the topic is pretty consistently murder. And shows like that are generally kept pretty diverse, or they would get boring. To say that nothing of value could be gleaned is your own perspective. And why should guys watch excitingly narrated war podcasts that tend to include a lot of extraneous details when they could instead read raw literature? Is entertainment not typically put first in these shows?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:22 AM
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And learning about the habits and traits of killers is also educational.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 10:03 AM
1

Is that also why men listen to war podcasts?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 09:46 AM
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Did you even read what I typed?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:43 AM
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Then there are all the male comedians who mostly just strive to shock and disturb their audience, without producing anything clever.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:39 AM
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Well they’re pretty much polar opposites, so I guess you’re pretty stupid
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:08 AM
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Neither is meaningfully impressive. Also this is circular reasoning.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:07 AM
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If you were bp you wouldn’t be asking why women don’t prostitute themselves more often.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:03 AM
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A: It’s not that impressive to not do something you don’t want to do. B: It’s not that impressive to not have sex when you can and want to.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:02 AM
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Probably because they don’t want to have sex with men they aren’t attracted to. Are you even blackpill?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 07:01 AM
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If you actually think it’s impressive to “manage” to turn down sex, you’re pathetic. It’s like a dog being proud that they didn’t eat a treat. If you’re that strained by temptation there is nothing to be prideful about.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 06:55 AM
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Imagine being proud that you didn’t have sex. Wow. Much difficult.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 06:53 AM
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You’re literally proud to be a virgin. You’re the most copemaxxed of all.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 06:45 AM
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It makes about as much sense to be.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 05:49 AM
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“Across the entire internet” Do you even know how studies work?
/r/BlackPillScience04/09/23 04:50 AM
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Women come to this subreddit for the same reason that they watch true crime. It’s nice to know your enemy.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 04:23 AM
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Humor isn’t objective. If you don’t find women funny, it’s likely a matter of perspective. Also I find that when men say this they literally just mean Amy Schumer.
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 04:16 AM
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Saying that something is often invoked in certain contexts is not stating that every time it is invoked it is within that context.
/r/BlackPillScience04/09/23 04:10 AM
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You do realize the phenotype includes behavioural traits, right?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 12:22 AM
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I guess i find that hard to believe. You called all of them bitches and they were still interested?
/r/AllPillDebate04/09/23 12:00 AM
1

And what did you say?
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 11:59 PM
1

How many? All? Most? What percentage?
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 11:28 PM
1

Where you claimed to be a serial pedophile rapist?
/r/AllPillDebate03/09/23 11:23 PM
1

Why not try it yourself instead of believing whatever you see online!
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:07 PM
1

Luck governs all of our lives in every way. Whether you turn out intelligent or not is a matter of luck, no? But Elon has not demonstrated any kind of impressive intellect even once during his online interactions. It would surprise me massively if he was even of average intelligence.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 06:40 AM
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Okay, listen, believe whatever you want, but he has not demonstrated genius level intelligence.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 04:40 AM
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I actually wouldn’t be surprised. Obviously business savvy plays a role in success. A higher IQ score is positively correlated with greater financial success in life. However, there is nothing that points to him actually being intelligent or competent. Mostly just obscenely lucky. He was kicked out of PayPal by the board. He doesn’t actually do fucking anything for the companies he owns, and when he does actually make business decisions, they’re more often detrimental to the company.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 04:31 AM
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You would be surprised how much of a role luck plays. I fucking promise you that Elon musk is not a genius.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 04:20 AM
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Lmao. He was born into vast amounts of money. When you’re born a multimillionaire, it’s a lot easier to become a billionaire, because you have capital for investments and startups.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 04:06 AM
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False dichotomy. It’s a spectrum.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 03:47 AM
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Pick-me cringe
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 03:32 AM
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Of course I can’t know for a fact, but I suspect you’re exaggerating the stories somewhat to fit your narrative.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 03:29 AM
1

Out of curiosity, have you personally done these Chadfish experiments? I’m not necessarily questioning the results, I’m just curious.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 03:07 AM
1

Sure
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 03:02 AM
1

I’m the women’s presence and referring to her?
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:57 AM
0

Lmao. No one’s trying to fix you
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:53 AM
1

Elon Musk is fucking brain dead. He’s not a genius.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:49 AM
1

He referred to those women as hoes? Who he ended up having sex with?
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:46 AM
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You’re also ignoring the fact that in the past, men still largely married within their socioeconomic sphere. Marriages between elite men and commoner women were rare. Similarly, there have always been impoverished couples. It’s not like everyone was moderately well off before the feminazis invented socioeconomic stratification. Jfc. And men do not “date like socialists” you uneducated rube. You are conveniently ignoring how men and women differ reproductively.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:41 AM
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How does this have anything to do with feminism. In eras when women didn’t even have the choice of who to marry, wealthier men still had more wives than poor men, because they could purchase more.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:33 AM
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I love how you always use examples of your friends who say rude things about women behind their back as an example of how women will tolerate anything from Chad. Like, okay, this isn’t that supportive of the classic black pill argument.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:29 AM
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You have to remember that Catherine of Aragon and Henry the 8th were married for decades. She knew him before his head trauma and before everything went south. They were exceedingly close. Of course she would never forget that and would still love him.
/r/AllPillDebate02/09/23 02:24 AM
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That wasn’t even what the findings were for the messaging data.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 09:28 PM
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1st paragraph: what lead to the claim being made to begin with doesn’t impact what claim was made. Questioning a blanket statement made in frustration is not intellectually dishonest. Acting like the incitement of the claim impacts how it should be interpreted is in fact what most people would consider intellectually dishonest. Also you are completely assuming that that was the cause, lol. You’re a shining beacon of intellectual honestly, I see. 2nd Paragraph: I actually do have access to the en…
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 09:23 PM
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That comment was meant to draw attention to the absurdity of a generalization, not to construct a universal binary, which is another way of saying a generalization. So I was doing the opposite of constructing a binary, actually. Also, I’d like to remind you that you responded to my comment questioning the validity of the claim that women are incapable of holding an intelligent conversation with the assertion that the “rule” is that they cannot. Another binary. And as for your understanding that …
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 04:51 PM
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You’re acting like that is a binary. There are categorically dumb people who are capable of doing that to some extent. If you think most men are particularly adept at doing that, or that most women can’t do that to some extent, you are either extremely ignorant or outright deluded.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 04:30 PM
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The rule? Lol. Do you think that most men can hold an intelligent conversation?
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 03:38 PM
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Indeed.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 12:53 AM
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Oh, the @. I don’t notice those. Yeah, okay. I’m curious myself. He should try it. And you should too.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 12:52 AM
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Especially if it’s in a big city, it will still get likes, not helped by the fact that most women don’t read the bio for hookups, they just swipe. But I promise you that if he seems dangerous, like a fucking rapist pedophile, the vast majority of women will steer clear.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 12:51 AM
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I thought you already acknowledged that im a woman
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 12:50 AM
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For the actual fucking love of god damned everything that isn’t complete dogshit in this life, I never god damned fucking said that attractive men aren’t more successful, I said attractive men who are outright monsters aren’t nearly as successful as you seem to think.
/r/AllPillDebate29/08/23 12:35 AM
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Weren’t men more likely to message more attractive women?
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:49 PM
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So you’re just saying things that you don’t believe? Also, most sexism in women is reactive. It’s pretty obvious that sexism against women has been the norm for thousands of years, maybe forever.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:37 PM
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So your claims about women are based in your hatred of them? You don’t actually believe that women are incapable of being accountable? And if you didn’t hate women, you wouldn’t say that?
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:24 PM
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It’s completely laughable that you think resenting a sex is the same as literally thinking a sex is incapable of being accountable or “in control.” You’re comparing apples and oranges.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:13 PM
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So bra!ndead sexism. Got it.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 05:09 PM
1

Okay. Nvm.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 04:20 PM
1

Maybe they treat their partners worse because they had no say in the marriage.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 04:11 PM
1

This is such a dumb take. Very few women are under the impression that they could date or marry some exceedingly attractive man, and certainly not that they “deserve” it. Though a lot of women make enough these days to sustain a household, and could go to a sperm bank or have a hookup to have more attractive children.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:39 PM
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“What’s driving this trend? For starters, more women are delaying marriage, choosing to stay single or divorcing in their 50s and 60s. Women are also delaying childbirth or having fewer children than in the past.” It doesn’t say anything about all that. It’s mostly about how women are focusing on their careers more and getting married and having kids somewhat later than in the past.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:36 PM
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For women who enjoy casual sex and know that’s all it is, it’s not upsetting. But it also doesn’t raise their self esteem, either. On the other hand, women who are stupid and think Chad will commit because he said he would have their self esteem destroyed.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:33 PM
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I’m pretty sure they simply mean 40% of women between the ages of 25-45. So that would primarily consist of younger women who haven’t had kids yet. As in, that cohort would skew young
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:23 PM
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No woman feels better about herself from getting pump and dumped by Chad. I promise you. Also, if we’re talking about hookups, most women can still find attractive men to sleep with at any age. Link the study
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:21 PM
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Lots of people date their looksmatch and still have issues. I agree that a lot of women are dumb and sleep with more attractive guys right away and then somehow get surprised that he doesn’t commit. Most people want above average partners. Most people want someone above them in looks. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with striving for that. I also don’t think there’s anything wrong with being mad at someone for lying about their intentions (even if they were stupid for believing them). But u…
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:11 PM
0

Imagine more attractive people being more desired and having an easier life. And this goes for women too, by the way. That fact is well established by innumerable studies.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 02:01 PM
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This post is beyond the pale. Average looking women are generally not in anything resembling long term relationships with Chads. Everyone likes attractive people, but for LTR the vast majority end up with their looksmatch. This is also completely opposed to the classic incel doctrine, which generally concedes that Beckys primarily seek Chad for hookups (80/20 usually focuses on STR, 20% of men are not in polygamous relationships after all) and many Chads, and especially GigaChads do not even see…
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 01:42 PM
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Ffs. Lots of couples don’t get married these days. That does not mean that 40% of women are single mothers who end up marrying guys other than their child’s father.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 01:23 PM
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Have you ever personally Chadfished to this extent? I honestly doubt it. The vast majority of women would be repulsed by these men.
/r/AllPillDebate28/08/23 12:55 AM
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Lmao
/r/AllPillDebate27/08/23 10:23 PM
1

I’m borderline underweight
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 05:03 PM
2

Cope harder
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 04:59 PM
2

I could have sex any time I wanted. I’m not that type of femcel.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 04:58 PM
2

Lol you wish
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 04:57 PM
0

Lol
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 03:13 PM
1

So she was still well within her fertile window? That’s not much of a test. There’s a sharp drop off in attraction after age 45.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 02:57 PM
1

How old was she?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 02:48 PM
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When the woman ages the man will lose interest. It’s no different.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 02:44 PM
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What are you basing your understanding on?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 02:22 PM
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Well, it’s true. What are you basing your understanding on? A well rounded evaluation of the current academic literature, or stuff you read on Incels.co?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 02:15 PM
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Im not passing anything off as anything, I’m attempting to demonstrate what the root of attraction is. No love is unconditional. Men lose attraction to their wives with age. This is no different from women losing attraction to men who no longer make enough money.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 01:36 PM
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Everyone wants the very best. You could say everyone wants to be a millionaire as well. Yes obviously every guy wants to be the alpha, but saying that anything else is completely worthless is stupid. It’s like a woman who’s not gorgeous saying that her life isn’t worthwhile because she can’t make money modelling.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 01:34 PM
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I can’t say what you would do, but statistically speaking men will do a lot less for and tolerate a lot less from unattractive women. You can’t help how you act. It’s instinctual. And you may think you would behave the same no matter what, but in reality you wouldn’t. You can’t help things like that.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 01:31 PM
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Betabuxxing is a trade for mating opportunities. It benefits both the man and woman.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:47 PM
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Yes, some relationships are like that, but lots aren’t. Objectively, better looking women are treated better on average, by a significant margin. Pointing out exceptions is worthless. I could just as easily say that there is a woman who finds an ugly man attractive, which is true. You can find threads online of women genuinely being really attracted to very ugly celebrities. It’s meaningless. Most people agree upon who is and isn’t attractive, and treat them according to that assessment.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:45 PM
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There is a positive association between perceived attractiveness and actual fertility in females. Do you not understand that?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:41 PM
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No one is ever treated as well as the very attractive in the world. Both men and women. You can deny this all you want but you are obviously false, and anyone and everyone knows that. Saying this is only true for men is delusional.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:41 PM
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That arrangement is a stupid hypothetical because it provides no benefits to the Beckys at all. It makes not sense. I will say, though, that a lot of children throughout history probably wouldn’t have made it past infancy without betabuxx. So most Beckys probably couldn’t have reproduced either without betabuxxing.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:39 PM
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First of all, no. Lots of courtship rituals primarily revolve around demonstrating resource provisioning ability. Providing food for sometimes weeks before the female will mate. And you’re just making up a scenario then acting like this is all non Chad involved relationships. Clearly it isn’t. Attractive women are much better treated. This is undeniable reality that you yourself are aware of, but refuse to acknowledge because you would then have to admit that you are just as shallow as the women…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:35 PM
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And a woman being attractive is already her demonstrating her value. Her value is obvious from her physical appearance, as her fecundity can be estimated from it. In men, it’s not always obvious.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:30 PM
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Women do come to feel attraction for men who are regularly kind to them (demonstration of commitment). No actual money has to be spent, just a demonstration of commitment. This includes provisioning, protection from threats, and assistance with raising young.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:28 PM
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Monogamous relationships where males provide food for the female during gestation and nursing, or during brooding for birds. It’s very common. Giving money is just an abstract version of resource provision. The point is that it isn’t. Women genuinely come to love their looksmatch partners. And Stacy 100% gets special treatment, are you serious? Just because some men would go out of their way to have sex with very unattractive women doesn’t mean there isn’t a clear difference in how more attracti…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:26 PM
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10% isn’t rare! Unless you are referring to an attractive man who is also a provider. In which case their desire for him is still contingent upon him fulfilling his role as a provider.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:23 PM
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No, lol. And paternity tests exist now so it’s easy to check. Obviously not. It’s not a matter of acceptability, obviously it’s cruel to cheat on your partner. The point is that if it weren’t for betabuxxing as an evolved phenomenon, most men would not be reproducing at all. Yet betabuxxing is supposedly so horrible.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:21 PM
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What makes something genuine in your eyes?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:19 PM
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Looks fade too. Though some people deny it, most Chads do pass their prime and stop turning heads. But unlike resources no one can stop the aging process. And I’ve already tried to explain that men’s attraction towards women is contingent upon their perceived fertility. You deny this, but men’s attraction towards women follows a clear pattern that demonstrates it as fact. So is a man’s love for a woman not real because it will run out if she gains or loses too much weight, or if she gets sick, o…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:18 PM
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10% of men is still hundreds of millions. There’s always a better looking Chad. So actually they are just as replaceable. And women do tend to come to like the physical qualities of men they get along with.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:15 PM
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To be fair, half is better than none. In non monogamous species, most males outright do not reproduce.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:11 PM
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Yes obviously there are gold diggers who consciously go after rich guys and don’t have any attraction to them whatsoever, but generally speaking a balance is struck and women find a looksmatch who is also a provider. And they can form a genuinely close bond with these men.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:09 PM
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If all Chad has is genes, he can be replaced by another Chad. That’s not really love for him as an individual either. But women do tend to form really close bonds with their betabuxx because they have evolved to.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:08 PM
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What makes it not genuine? Women can and do develop attraction to their betabuxx. Why is it that as soon as money or resources in general are involved the love is suddenly fake?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:05 PM
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What does this have anything to do with anything? “Born illegitimately” doesn’t mean through cheating. It just means any child born to parents who weren’t married at the time.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 12:03 PM
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But that’s the thing, women do care about what Chad provides. He provides his genes. Why is that love more genuine?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 11:55 AM
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Lots of looksmatch relationships are happy and the woman actually likes the man.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 11:54 AM
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It’s pretty common for men to be able to tell if the baby is his. If this happens he will generally leave the woman to raise the child on her own. This is obviously a disadvantage.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 11:15 AM
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Technically yes, but in betabuxxing species males develop counter adaptations to avoid this. So it ends up reaching a fairly stable equilibrium.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 11:11 AM
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But that’s what I’m trying to get at. Why isn’t it genuine?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 11:10 AM
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I find that very hard to believe, seeing as that’s not the majority scientific opinion. Did they say how it was actually discerned?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:48 AM
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The biology class specifically said that cats and dogs primarily reproduce via forced copulations?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:43 AM
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How are you confirming this? Again, I’m just curious what you’re basing your understanding of this subject on.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:40 AM
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The point of this post is to demonstrate that what Incels say about women not genuinely loving their betabuxx is flatly wrong. Attraction exists when it is beneficial for the lineage of an animal. If being provisioned by a betabuxx is more beneficial to a female than having a ONS with a Chad, the woman will feel more attraction to the betabuxx.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:36 AM
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I’m curious how you even came to that conclusion
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:34 AM
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This is instinctual, though. And the reason that men have to start betabuxxing right away before having children is so that there is a buy in. He has to demonstrate the willingness to provide long term. If a woman had sex with a man right away who said he would provide for her but didn’t demonstrate his capability or willingness to do it long term, the guy could just impregnate her and leave with no effort, costing her massively, as she doesn’t get provisioning or high quality genes in that case…
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:32 AM
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Incorrect. The average woman is in fact not merely existing. She is also (from an evolutionary perspective) gestating and nursing the young of her partner
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:23 AM
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It isn’t acceptable or not acceptable. I never said either of those things. I’m saying that due to the fact that some species, including humans, have evolved pair bonding tendencies (natural betabuxxing), human women have the capacity to feel genuine attraction towards a betabuxx. To deny that you would have to have a fundamental lack of understanding of what attraction even is as a biological phenomenon.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:19 AM
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What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with acceptability.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:15 AM
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First of all, not really. Second of all, even if that were the case, how does that negate what I’ve said?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 10:11 AM
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If you mean globally lol
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 06:28 AM
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Settling for a lower income betabuxx is not the same as being desperate though. There isn’t some objective minimum threshold for what allows someone to become a betabuxx.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 05:52 AM
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They won’t even have a hard time getting a betabuxx. Most men are still desperate enough to accept that status.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 05:32 AM
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Really, you don’t believe someone can have 2 masters degrees? Lol. Save that skepticism for something actually rare.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 05:11 AM
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The guys who got successful always went after younger women. This is nothing new. Also the vast majority of men never become successful, so 30+ women always have options unless they are really unattractive.
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 04:58 AM
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Are you suggesting that Stacy status is subjective? Since when has that been the case? If all non-fat women are Stacys to most men, then what are beckys?
/r/AllPillDebate16/08/23 04:32 AM
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For long term relationships?
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 05:16 AM
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Well they literally aren’t unnatural, since they exist in nature. No one is forcing wolves to pair bond.
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 03:10 AM
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What the fuck are you talking about? Monogamous tendencies evolve due to the evolutionary benefits of choosing a betabuxx statistically outweighing the evolutionary benefits of fucking Chad. It is related. If betabuxxing didn’t evolve in humans, most men would never have sex. It is settling in the sense that there are more attractive, more desirable women.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 11:35 PM
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The idea that a male animal with multiple partners “owns” them is a projection of your own human sensibilities. Animals do betabuxx actually. What do you think monogamy is?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:50 PM
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Ok
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:14 PM
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So you do or don’t think that all attractive women are extroverted?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:00 PM
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Male animals don’t own their partners either.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:20 PM
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Yes, you would “choose who [you] like.” It would just so happen that 80%+ would look like a perfectly archetypal Stacy.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:10 PM
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The average man is desperate to secure any mating opportunity he can. This is not the same thing as his love being completely unconditional. Note that if 2/3 of divorces are initiated by women, that’s still a whole 1/3 initiated by men. Were those all Chads?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:06 PM
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There’s no sympathy for anyone at the end of the day. People desire and stay in relationships that are evolutionarily beneficial. No different from the wild sheep who groom each other and keep each other warm in winter. They stay in herds because it benefits the individual.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:57 PM
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I’m asking you not who you would have sex with and provide for, but who you would choose if you could only choose one or a few women. If a woman starts reproducing at age 20, she can usually have between 15 and 25 offspring, usually around 20, so that’s 20 men. If you could choose from all the women on the planet 20 sexual partners, you would choose 20 gigastacies, or at least mostly gigastacies and then a few somewhat different women to keep it interesting, no different from what a woman would …
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:53 PM
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Men’s love of women isn’t unconditional either. Men lose attraction for women after they become infertile with age.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:49 PM
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If Chad became sick or disfigured women would lose interest.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:48 PM
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Monogamy exists in plenty of species because of betabuxxing. Do you think female birds can’t bond with a provider male? Women genuinely fall in love with non-chads all the time, but their love is contingent upon him fulfilling a provider role. Does that make it any less real?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:35 PM
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You are literally proving one of the main points of my post here. Incels freely admit that they would love a harem, while loathing women for even considering being a part of one. And you have still done nothing to disprove my other point. The fact that you would have sex with virtually any woman on the planet does not mean that you equally value all women on the planet. Women have to choose who they give womb space to. If you had to chose, your first choice would be a very beautiful woman, a Sta…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:30 PM
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Why?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:25 PM
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You’re completely talking past me. You haven’t said anything to contradict what I’ve said. Height is a fitness handicap, so to be tall is a genetic test. Being tall while remaining healthy is a demonstration that you possess traits especially conducive to bipedalism, something that humans clearly struggle with. And most women don’t like exceptionally tall men. They tend to only marginally taller than average. It’s a complete myth that women actually prefer 7” guys. There’s no such thing as a per…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:21 PM
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For most people it is theoretically possible but functionally not. The point I’m trying to make is that most people have no choice but to settle. They see people better looking than their partner every day.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:08 PM
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Introversion isn’t really dependant on attractiveness that much. There are clearly tons of really gorgeous women who are introverted, you just tend to see extraverted ones more because they go out more. It’s so weird that Incels always assume so much of attractive women. Not all attractive women are the archetypal Stacy.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:06 PM
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You do realize that this is 99%+ of people on the planet in long term relationships, right? Almost no one is so attractive that they aren’t being settled for to some extent.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:03 PM
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That’s why this is a hypothetical and not reality.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:01 PM
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How is this any different from less attractive women? They won’t get Chad to commit in a million years, so they settle for someone who will.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:00 PM
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Betabuxxing is literally the only reason monogamy exists in the vast majority of species in which it occurs. It’s hilarious that Incels think ill of it. All I’m saying is that clearly the vast majority of people do not actually see their partner as the most attractive person. This is not exclusive to women.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:59 PM
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I mean it’s obviously better than it was 50 years ago. It’s just happening very slowly
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:52 PM
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Unrealistic isn’t impossible. It’s if the option existed that’s what’s being considered.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 12:04 PM
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Why assume her personality would be bad? This is so stupid. So many unattractive woman have terrible personalities too.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 12:04 PM
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This is a hypothetical where both women adore you. Everyone would choose the better looking woman, or at least be more attracted to her.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 11:38 AM
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This is controlling for other variables. So the women are going to treat you the same way. Obviously the better looking one is preferable.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 11:17 AM
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But you would still prefer the better looking woman. How you would treat a less attractive women isn’t reflective of your preferences. Lots of women with unattractive husbands still treat them well.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 11:11 AM
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On average, they do.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:06 AM
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Since racial preferences are almost certainly directly tied to social superiority, as black people gain more social status in the west, the preference for white men will diminish.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:51 AM
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Having options is irrelevant. Male animals tend to focus more on mate quantity than females, so there are plenty of guys who would fuck almost any woman if they had the opportunity, and are therefore inclined to send messages to every woman they can. This is much, much rarer in women.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:47 AM
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Yes, on average. I am aware that certain traits in men are more desirable to women on average. This doesn’t change the fact that men still tend to agree more on what is optimal.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:42 AM
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Humans have proportionately very large penises for a mammal. Genetically humans have a taller maximum height than ancestral species. Think about Australopithecus. Humans are clearly much taller on average.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:40 AM
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The fact that men are more willing to try to fuck less desirable women is not an indication of preference, rather it demonstrates weaker discernment.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:36 AM
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Fetishized being the key word here. They are still not preferred by the vast majority of men.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:26 AM
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It isnt inherently beneficial, but it did happen naturally.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 09:15 AM
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Pure anecdote and demonstrably false. And also, why should incredibly unattractive and neurotic people spend more time outside? What would that do, cure them?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:55 AM
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Do you believe that procreative incest should be legal if both parties are adults?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:52 AM
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Do you believe that procreative incest should be legal if both parties are adults?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:52 AM
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Modern humans are taller and have larger penises than ancestral forms.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:51 AM
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As in, it is a fitness handicap. Same as all sexually selected traits, including large and bright feathers on birds and antlers on deer. The point of this is that if a male is tall but remains relatively healthy, he must have exceedingly good genetics, as it is more physiologically challenging to be optimally healthy and survive with such a handicap. It’s also a sign of better nutrition and lower rates of parasitism and childhood infections.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:46 AM
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Yes, but the child of an attractive man and an unattractive woman is statistically going to be better looking than the child of an ugly man and an ugly woman. Sperm is cheap, so the top 1% of attractive men could impregnate all women (I don’t actually recommend this for a number of reasons, but the point is that it is possible) and the next generation on average would be much better looking, smarter, etc. This is why farmers who want to improve their flock kill or castrate most male young and on…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:37 AM
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I’m not asking what can be fixed or not, I’m asking what is preferred. Lots of women love guys coated in hair. Virtually no men do. Both extremely jacked men and women are usually taking steroids, but even non roided women who are buff from excessive exercise are seen as ugly by most men, whereas lots of women like extremely ripped guys and lots of women like out of shape guys
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:15 AM
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And again, being willing to fuck any woman is not the same thing as that woman being the man’s first choice. More men have the same first choice than women. That is my only point.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:06 AM
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Taylor Swift has a flat ass but not a completely flat ass. I mean completely. Timothée Chalamet and Adam Driver are considered heartthrobs. They fall far further from the Chad ideal than Taylor falls from the Stacie ideal.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:05 AM
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Yet these markets are very niche. Obviously there are men who like these traits in women, but they number far fewer. And by body hair, I didn’t mean public hair, I meant an extreme excess of leg, arm facial, etc. Very few men like that. Jacked women is considered niche fetish material. If you took 10 random men and women off the street, there’s a good chance that some of the women will like really jacked guys, some will like toned, and some will like a bit tubby, while most likely all the guys w…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:01 AM
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Actually, traits being harmful is “an excuse” (if by that you mean a reasonable explanation) for why they are seen as unattractive. How many men are attracted to women with a completely flat ass? That’s a huge turn off for the vast majority of guys because it is a sign of extremely low reproductive value in a woman. Or a beard? A sign of some kind of fertility harming endocrine disorder. Way more women like beardless guys than men like bearded women.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:53 AM
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To further help you understand why comparing obesity and shortness in men vs women makes no sense, ask yourself this: How many men prefer excessively hairy women vs women who prefer excessively hairy men? How many women like extremely jacked men vs men who like extremely jacked women? How many women like a big nose on a guy vs guys who like a big nose on a woman? Notice that all these traits are sexually dimorphic. People tend to gravitate more strongly towards sexually dimorphic traits. Height …
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:48 AM
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The majority of porn viewers are men, and the overwhelming majority of hours of porn viewed are men’s. Porn is by and large marketed to men. Obesity is vastly less harmful to women’s health than men’s, and at the low end of the range can be an advantage reproductively, whereas it massively disproportionately harms men’s fertility. Shortness also has more advantages for women, since a very short woman is using fewer resources for her own body maintenance, so she can divert those resources to a fe…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:40 AM
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It’s a rational assessment of the data. I could be incorrect, but logically speaking, I know that women are getting married and having kids later and later, so if the age range being looked at is the same across time, it stands to reason that a smaller and smaller percentage of women in that age range will be in a relationship and have kids. Could there be a slight increase in the number of forever singles? Perhaps. I wouldn’t be too surprised. But predicting some massive shift based on this dat…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:31 AM
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For one, there’s more of a consensus on ideal age among men. All Incels should be familiar with that chart that showed that men all prefer early 20s women, while women of different ages prefer different aged men. That is one of many examples.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:27 AM
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Fucking every study on it
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:25 AM
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Shortness and obesity are biological less of a sign of low quality genes in women, so they aren’t good examples. Both attractive men and women are massively advantaged in the dating market. Obviously, statistically there is an optimal body shape and face for both men and women, but there’s way more consensus among men than women, and fewer outliers from the average.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 06:23 AM
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Feel free to send me the report so that I can read it for you.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:54 AM
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I literally have no idea what you’re trying to say.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:49 AM
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The opposite is actually consistently found to be true. Women’s preferences are on average more varied.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:47 AM
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Note that this doesn’t mean that the women will remain indefinitely single
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:01 AM
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I’m going to try to put it simply here: If women used to get married at age 20 on average, and now they get married at age 30 on average, there are going to be roughly half as many women in that age range (25-45) who are in relationships now than in the past.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 05:00 AM
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You aren’t getting what I’m saying. Women are staying single for longer, so single women in that age range function as a sizeable market demographic, but that does not mean that those women will be single indefinitely, just that women in that age range are statistically more likely to be single than in past generations.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 04:58 AM
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That’s honestly even higher than I’d have thought. 2 times a month is basically dead bedroom, so essentially a slight majority of relationships are dbr.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 04:44 AM
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All it says is: And then if you win the argument they just call you an incel Do you consider this single sentence written by a random Reddit user to be definitive proof of your claims? Why did you even refer me to the comment?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 04:14 AM
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I’m not even sure which comment you’re referring to, but none of them actually support your argument, so it’s irrelevant.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 04:09 AM
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The issue with that interpretation of that stat is, since women are getting married and having children at older ages, that will necessarily lead to an increase in women “in the 25-45 age range” who are single and childless. So, a disproportionately large number of the women in that age range who are childless will be at the lower end. This doesn’t mean that those women won’t eventually go on to get married and have children. Please gain some statistical literacy.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 04:01 AM
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Average or median?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:48 AM
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Women prefer dark haired men, actually
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:47 AM
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You didn’t bother to describe what the majority of men commenting on women’s pictures look like. I’m sure that was just an honest mistake.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:44 AM
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Yes, exactly, and it’s just as good of an argument.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:38 AM
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Nice rebuttal
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:30 AM
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Do you think you are smarter than the smartest woman on earth?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 03:27 AM
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Please think rationally for a second. No fault divorce was illegal until recently, and divorce rates are at a 40 year low in the US. Domestic violence has almost certainly not actually increased in frequency, rather reporting frequency has increased. And as for people saying their romantic lives are worse than past generations, who is saying this? How are you objectively measuring % of romantic relationships in the past vs today? Be real.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 01:16 AM
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Genetic fitness. It takes more energy to grow taller, so growing taller can signal the resource gathering efficiency of man in his youth, as well as his parents resource gathering abilities, which will reflect on his own genetics, childhood infections (a major cause of death in prehistorical societies) stunts growth by diverting energy that would otherwise be used for growth into fighting off the illness, genetic parasite susceptibility can increase parasite load which stunts growth, as the para…
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 01:08 AM
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It’s rhetorical. The answer is that there’s no reason for them to.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 12:34 AM
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I have. Nothing I said contradicts what you’ve said, I was just expanding on it. If women don’t have to conform to gender norms to get a partner, why would they bother going through the effort?
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 12:16 AM
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If women can act however they want and still get a partner, why wouldn’t they? What you’re saying makes no sense.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 11:31 PM
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You talk about evolution and then call certain words, things that are complete social constructs, masculine or feminine. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 11:29 PM
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Tallness in women isn’t as much of a demonstration of low fitness as shortness is in men (tallness in women could harm reproductive output due to more resources being required for body maintenance that could then not be used on a growing fetus, or it could be a sign of an endocrine disorder that could affect fertility, but tallness is also a sign of genetic health, so it balances out, whereas there aren’t as many advantages conferred to really short men, and as with women it can be a sign of bad…
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 09:48 PM
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Just so you know, by itself the reasoning of the sexy son hypothesis is circular. Attractive men confer benefits to a woman’s lineage beyond the production of attractive (or otherwise sexually competitive) sons. You have to ask what makes someone attractive to begin with. Attractiveness is put simply physical markers of genetic fitness. This has been a PSA
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 09:36 PM
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The bias exists because it is most often the women who do disparage other women who talk like that. Of course it’s not 100%, but if you have a woman rambling on and on about how she just loves being a SAHM, cooking and cleaning, doing all the housework for “her man,” sucking him off every hour when he’s home, she won’t care if he cheated because he’s just getting his needs met, etc, there’s a statistically good chance she would also call other women “ungrateful, worthless bitches who don’t know …
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 10:26 PM
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Also, lol, if she actually said she would “cook her future husband,” I don’t think people would call her a pick-me.
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 08:52 PM
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Yes, because the phrasing implies they are better than other women for doing so. If they had just said “I want to be a SAHM,” that wouldn’t incite pick-me accusations, but adding on “love to […] cook for my future husband,” there are heavy undertones of superiority. The implication is that other women don’t cook, or don’t like cooking for their husbands, and she does, so she’s rightfully, happily sacrificing for a man in a way other women aren’t, and therefore they are inferior. There are also t…
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 08:51 PM
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Okay. Well if you’re ESL, it has a massive fed vibe.
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 09:54 AM
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This seems super fed lol
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 09:33 AM
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“Pick mes” are women who put down other women to appeal to men. It’s a very simple and straight forward term with pretty consistent usage.
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 05:11 AM
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Are you incapable of making connections between two separate situations? If monogamy can disappear from one lineage, it can disappear from another. Or do you believe that it is literally impossible for such a thing to happen in the human lineage
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 12:13 AM
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What feels? What speculation? I made a couple of factual claims.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 11:11 PM
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Lol, are you suggesting that cuckoldry doesn’t have any fitness enhancing effects?
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 11:09 PM
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And as for us “evolving to the top of the food chain by monogamy,” that is a bit fallacious. Monogamy wasn’t per se the thing that allowed humans to reach the top of the food chain, but it was evolutionarily necessary for a time owing to the high resource requirements of large-brained offspring coupled with inefficient resource gathering methods. The large brain, as well as more advanced fine motor skills and bipedalism were the traits that directly allowed us to reach this level of success. But…
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 11:06 PM
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Okay. I’m glad.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 10:56 PM
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And I am aware that there is an instinctual component to monogamy, but even in the most monogamous species a certain degree of polygyny is expected to exist, because extra-pair copulations do occur. Even the world’s most monogamous animal, the black vulture, doesn’t have a perfectly equal reproductive rate between males and females. In humans, monogamous tendencies aren’t nearly as strong as they are in many bird species, and environmental fluctuations, (such as variations in resource availabili…
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 10:48 PM
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Actually you can be friends with someone for years and they’re abusive. That is something that happens. Good luck anyway.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 10:43 PM
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While (and I cannot stress this enough) I’m not advocating for anything in any direction here, you should at least be able to recognize that one can tell which male children will be more attractive/intelligent/kind/etc (i.e desirable to women) at a fairly young age, and that no 5-10 year old boys are going to be able to start a civil war. And with the advancement of automation, we are in a better position than ever to sustain a society with a lower male-female sex ratio than 50/50.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 10:38 PM
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I don’t know if you’re trolling or serious, but that is really uniquely awful, and that woman clearly has her own issues.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 08:49 PM
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Obviously polygamy increases intrasex competition among males, but it need not necessarily lead to war. You’re naive to think that society couldn’t be structured in a way that would allow for stability in spite of it.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 08:43 PM
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This is why you haven’t seen women arguing with each other. You are basing your entire argument off of something you couldn’t possibly know due to your extreme lack of proximity
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 06:36 AM
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You spend no time around women.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 06:08 AM
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There’s no such thing as inherent genetic superiority or inferiority. It’s necessarily subjective and a value judgement. Learn a thing or two about evolution. (This has nothing to do with OPs argument, I’m just informing you)
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 06:03 AM
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No one is or isn’t inherently meant to reproduce, but anisogamy has arisen independently in multiple lineages because it is a winning strategy that produces an ideal balance of genetic diversity and genetic optimization in a population. In every sexually reproducing species, more females than males reproduce. I agree that sexy son hypothesis is dogshit and should just be retired as a stand-alone explanation for anything, but that doesn’t mean that sexual selection on the part of females isn’t ev…
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 06:01 AM
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Wow that’s really awful.
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 05:52 AM
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