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| 2 | [deleted by user]The "top 20%" is actually pretty unexceptional. Like being 6'0 alone is "Top 20%". Some people have this mental image of a "Chad" who is actually something like a 0.1%er. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/22 01:41 AM |
| -4 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkWell, most of them were incels/in incel-adjacent places like this one. Incels are often obsessed with stories of "Chad". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 04:37 AM |
| -2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkThe fact that this information gets people interested means that it's interesting. The fact that you find it just so obvious that it's not worth mentioning doesn't change this. I'm not saying it's not "worth mentioning". It may still be interesting without necessarily being surprising. For an analogy, insights into how rich and famous people live get people interested, but hardly anyone is like "Holy shit, I thought super-rich people lived almost the same as the middle class!" No it doesn't. Cha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 04:30 AM |
| -1 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkMy point is the Chadfishers who try to prove that "hot men can get a lot of female attention even if they're of dubious moral character" aren't actually producing anything that would surprise most people. But they think they are. They seem to believe that most adults have a naive kid's movie view of attraction (like most of them used to) and this is some shocking revelation. Or else they extrapolate too much from the behaviour of the minority of women who bite to make assumptions about the rest … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 03:19 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents think"Proof" is potentially causing semantic issues here. Another way of framing it: I do not think most people would (or should) update their beliefs very much after seeing Chadfish experiments. Most people understand that looks matter and that some women are into casual sex with hot men, so Chadfishing provide at best some minor confirmation of that. It's only an "atomic blackpill" (a phrase I heard to describe a Chadfish) if you think that almost everyone else believes completely naive things abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 02:49 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkChadfishing proves nothing that most people wouldn't have already known or suspected. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 02:14 AM |
| -1 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkWhat exactly has been challenged? I never disputed right from the original post that some women are willing to put up with horrible men. What I always disagreed with is that this suggests something important about most women. Every anecdote to the effect of "Well I knew this hot woman who fucked a horrible man for drugs" is meaningless, because I always knew that such women existed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 02:10 AM |
| 3 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkI recall one where the guys "acts beta" and still gets a lot of attention. Here's a different one from a quick Google. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 02:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkBluepill does. I get at this claim here. "Looks don't matter" as the Blue Pill position is a straw man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 01:55 AM |
| 0 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkA) Yes that's the usual pattern. Vehement denial at first, nothing special once the cat is out of the bag.* Well, I wasn't surprised when I first saw them, but as it's impossible for me to prove, your claim is unfalsifiable. One way to test this might be to survey a mainstream and/or feminist-leaning population, to see what they predict the results would be. I suspect they wouldn't be that far off. I don't think there are many feminists who deny that there aren't women out there who would hook u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 01:48 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkYou might ask yourself now why it was such a surprise for me? Because I have been lied to about this since my childhood. This is the subject of my post here. In that I concede that, yes, a lot of guys grew up with naive views about female attraction, and it is understandable why. But what I disagree with is that idea that a majority of the adult population still thinks like this, or that most "Blue Pillers" deny that looks matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 01:33 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkI never said they don't prove "anything". What I object to are claims they prove anything that most people who weren't completely naive didn't already know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 01:26 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkIt's like saying women would never date Trump supporters. But... a ton of women actually voted for Trump themselves. This is again an issue of "woman vary". The women saying "I'd never date a Trump supporter" probably aren't lying. The fact that Trump supporting men manage to date women by no means disproves the former. It's mostly different women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 01:22 AM |
| -1 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkAny conclusions along the lines of "Women are lying when they say they don't want casual sex and want a partner who's kind and shares their values" (the fallacy of assuming women are homogenous). (That's not to deny that some women may downplay their shallowness in some situations). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 12:05 AM |
| -2 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkIf your thesis is "average guys can find it hard to get matches on Tinder, and really hot guys can get a lot of matches and a good amount of sex, even when they're not-so-nice", I agree. But some go on to make stronger claims than this that I disagree with. Like the average dudes may struggle is because women he could date are all out hooking up with Nazi Chads. I doubt this is the case - I think that's mostly a story of mutually exclusive dating markets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/21 12:01 AM |
| 4 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkI recall an OkCupid blog post years ago saying that profiles with no picture did worse than even profiles with the least attractive photos. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 11:43 PM |
| -4 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkI don't really disagree with this. What I disagree with is: A) The idea that this is a "blackpill" that most people would be shocked by. B) The idea that you can making sweeping generalisations about most or all women on this basis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 11:42 PM |
| -6 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkWhat would removing pictures achieve? I fully concede that "Nazi Chad" would get far less attention without pictures. (Though a minor quibble: all dating profiles do worse without pictures). I don't dispute that hot guys get more attention, it's the conclusions sometimes drawn from this that I disagree with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 11:17 PM |
| 0 | CMV: "Chadfishing experiments" don't prove what their proponents thinkMore or less agree, but as a CMV, this should be under the automod. (Well, one of the two automod posts that aren't the one addressed to me...) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 11:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: RPers who claim they were “lied to” about what women find attractive reflect common and understandable misconceptions shared by many young men. However, it’s a myth that these misunderstandings are the mainstream “Blue Pill” position.I do agree this can be an issue. I think this is a fairly universal phenomenon, though - people avoid being brutally honest all the time in all walks of life, and sometimes the people who need brutal honesty are worse off it. (Consider the notorious examples of bad singers who never get negative feedback before embarrassing themselves on televised talent shows). Would the world be better off if everyone was brutally honest all the time? Maybe, but individual actors often have incentives to not d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 10:27 PM |
| 4 | CMV: RPers who claim they were “lied to” about what women find attractive reflect common and understandable misconceptions shared by many young men. However, it’s a myth that these misunderstandings are the mainstream “Blue Pill” position.I don't deny that looks are important in early attraction, including in relationships. I doubt they matter terribly much for the success of the longest-term relationships. I think a lot of "looks don't matter!"-esque advice is ultimately due to people thinking more about the latter, so it could be interpreted as "we're all going to grow old and lose our looks, so you should prioritise traits that help build a stable relationship over pure looks". Though, there definitely are some people (often n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 01:04 AM |
| 6 | CMV: RPers who claim they were “lied to” about what women find attractive reflect common and understandable misconceptions shared by many young men. However, it’s a myth that these misunderstandings are the mainstream “Blue Pill” position.I think "looks matter more than you once thought" is an eminently reasonable position. However, I think there are many RPers who make significantly stronger claims than this, and they are the ones I am mainly criticising here. Though, I think a lot of the youthful misunderstandings were due to differing objectives. Looks matter a lot for hook-ups, but do they matter that much for the sustainability of long-term relationships? Maybe a bit more than the popular view, but surely less than hook-ups.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/19 12:08 AM |
| 5 | [meta] Why is PPD unable to fathom statistical distribution?Not remotely. Here's OkCupid on male height and messaging. Taller men get more messages, but not massively so. (Of course, you could claim that Tinder changed everything, but I'd to see some actual evidence for that). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/19 06:29 AM |
| 4 | [meta] Why is PPD unable to fathom statistical distribution?Not remotely true. (I'm one of many counter-examples. See! This is the purpose of the rhetorical device OP rails against). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/19 06:24 AM |
| 14 | [meta] Why is PPD unable to fathom statistical distribution?Sometimes it's a reaction to overly strong claims. "Women in general like tall men", sure. But sometimes you'll get something along the lines of "Women like tall men, therefore if you're a man under 6 foot you're doomed". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/08/19 05:50 AM |
| 3 | US finally catches up to Japan: around 27% of men under age 30 are virginsNot sure if sarcasm. 80/20 confirmed would be a distribution closer to ... 80/20. (Yeah, I know it often gets defined in an unfalsifiable way like "what women want regardless of who actually has sex"). Nonetheless, I am starting to feel there are more kernels of truth in RP ideas than I previously had thought. But it's a lot closer to a "90/80" rule than "80/20". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/19 05:40 AM |
| 2 | Do men with arrested development/fear of aging/losing your looks ever get over it, and if so what changed you and how?Yeah. He's posted literally dozens of threads directly about ageing or tangential topics (90s nostalgia). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/12/18 07:30 PM |
| 3 | CMV: In some cases, casual sex is far better than relationship sex from a purely physical standpoint (woman POV)This screams "troll" to me. It's a male incel (or someone familiar with incel jargon) doing some kind of gender-flip. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/18 05:22 AM |
| 3 | Bayes theorem and datingI think something like this is a partial explanation of the "beta bucks" phenomenon. Suppose you're a boring, unattractive guy who gets no interest from women. Then you start making good money, and then women start showing you interest. If nothing else about you changed, it's rather likely that they're primarily interested in you for your money. Or similarly, if you had options before, but then after making money suddenly some much hotter women were showing interest in you, it seems likely that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/18 11:45 PM |
| 3 | CMV: No-one here ever changes their mindI wouldn't go that far. You can genuinely believe something based on an interpretation of the evidence which changes when you're presented with new evidence. Of course, in reality people engage in lots of motivated reasoning to avoid changing their mind, but sometimes they still do. I reckon if we tried a Bizarro Purge Week where moderation was extra-tight and there was a rule demanding sources on every post with factual claims (such as what exists for /r/NeutralPolitics) could create some genui… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/18 09:28 AM |
| 2 | Bisexual Beta Male Bonobos and Sexual SelectionYou know, we could actually look at relevant modern data about human sexual behaviour rather than obsess over how bonobos and 12th century societies operated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/18 11:27 AM |
| 1 | Why isn't the most common pairing 18yo females and 50yo males?It's more like: the 50 year old man will likely find it easier to date 50 year old women than it was for him to date 18 year old girls when he was 18. If having the pick of older women is desirable, then you can call him "more attractive". But if we assume that like most men he youthful women, then his best chances of attracting them was decades earlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/18 08:55 PM |
| 5 | Hypergamy isn’t a Female Thing - It’s a People Thing (And Other Findings)Presumably because she's both attractive and seems attainable to a wide variety of men. A 50 year old lawyer probably isn't going to think a 20 year old model would go for him, but the hot 30 year old lawyer seems conceivable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/18 04:42 AM |
| 2 | Purple Pill Theory: Women aren't attracted to men with money because they're attracted to money. They're attracted to men with money because of what having money implies about their character.Life is boring without expensive entertainment? That's certainly far from a universal belief. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 08:12 PM |
| 1 | What's a life lesson you've acquired from reading this sub?On your first point - Different Worlds by SlateStarCodex is a great essay. (In fact, I might devote a post to it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/18 10:09 PM |
| 3 | Video on women on tinderThis "study" was just a pseudonymous guy on Medium. Here was his methodology: The most important data I needed was the percent of men that these females tended to “like”. I collected this data by interviewing females who had “liked” a fake Tinder profile I set up. I asked them each several questions about their Tinder usage while they thought they were talking to an attractive male who was interested in them. (only 27 females were interviewed So that's a small and self-selected sample size. Ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/18 08:58 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The "NiceGuy" trope, is nothing more than women takin out their frustration on shy/socially awkward men.I think it's complicated. It's not an either/or scenario of "entitled, misogynistic men think they deserve sex for niceness" or "women are taking out their frustrations on awkward men". There's such a wide continuum of behaviours and misunderstandings that it would be unhelpful to think in such binary ways. A blog I enjoy, Slate Star Codex, has a couple of notable posts criticising "nice-guy shaming", Radicalizing the Romanceless, and Untitled (about computer scientist Scott Aaronson being attac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/18 11:38 PM |
| 5 | If a guy has difficulty attracting sociable guys as friends, do we agree/disagree he’ll have difficulty attracting women?I think it's true that extroverted, normie guys will all else equal find it easier to get laid than introverted, slightly weird guys. I also think that it's suboptimal for overall happiness for the former to try to emulate the latter (source: my own experience) and you'll be far happier trying to find girls in your niche, even if it might not strictly get you laid as much as pretending to be Chad to Stacey. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/18 08:12 AM |
| 1 | This Father's Day, men are experiencing a crisis of masculinity. The solution? More feminism.Are these women really "influential" in the sense that a majority of self-identified feminists agree with them? This is like saying that Elliot Rodger is an "influential" male virgin. Sure, he may have a few followers, but it's ridiculous to say that he speaks for male virgins as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/18 08:28 PM |
| 15 | I realize I just need to let it go, but I just don't understand the hypocrisy...Probably because it ruins the "I'm an alpha with my own harem" fantasy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/18 08:54 PM |
| 1 | Why are more women than men interested ( As an "interest" ) in serial killers?Out of interest I looked up female serial killers. Most were pretty unattractive, Karla Homolka being one of the few exceptions. Also, it's pretty common for the female serial killers to be working with their husband/boyfriend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/18 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Blind recruitment trial to boost gender equality making things worse, study revealsIndeed. Beware the man of one study. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/18 10:36 PM |
| 5 | What's the point of comparing the madonna/whore complex to the AF/BB strategy if they are totally not the same in frequency?What would falsify your claims? I'm curious. It seems like no matter what data we provide that would appear to refute your claims, your response is always "women are lying" or "that doesn't really measure the relevant factor". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/18 08:35 PM |
| -1 | 20% of unmarried 22-35 year old men and women are having 50-60% of the sex had by that age range.And that "bottom" is being moved upwards as more and more women flock to Chads; and more and more non-chads aren't ready for marriage (or much of anything else, really) when Stacy, Becky and Jane decide they're finally ready to tie the knot. If women were "flocking to Chads", then we should see a clear asymmetry in the data. That is, if "Becky" is hooking up with "Chad" while "Billy" is sexless, then there should be considerably lower sexlessness rates among women than men. But we don't see this… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/18 12:05 AM |
| 4 | What can we learn from the MASSIVE, Unprecedented, Gender Gap in India and China?You could end up like Russia or some poorer African-American communities, where the scarcity of (non-imprisoned) men gives the remaining men less incentive to marry and be effective husbands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/18 02:02 AM |
| 2 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaI mean, isn't a single man on the streets one too many?? Sure, but in terms of making a rational risk assessment, a sample size of one (or a similarly tiny amount) is negligible. Refusing to ever let your children out of your sight will also reduce the risks of them being kidnapped by a paedophile, but that's widely considered to be excessively overprotective behaviour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:53 PM |
| 4 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaDo you think the existence of men who kill their partners is a good reason for women to be extremely suspicious of all men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaI'm not sure what the intent of that post was. Is is "yay sluts, spinning plates rules!" or "marriage sucks with a former slut"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:41 PM |
| 1 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaHow often are men left "homeless and destitute" by divorce? And also, I'm not saying the "cutting losses" step needs to be after marriage. Most of the time, you can guess if someone is a shitty person well before that step, without needing to preemptively assume that most people are shitty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:34 PM |
| 5 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaAnd part of what I'm saying is that a major reason for this "end goal" is unreasonable cynicism about women. I think the average RPer (and MGTOWer!) would have a more satisfying life overall if they had an eye towards marriage, but their impression of marriage is skewed by a biased sample of men who report unusually bad experiences with marriage or relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:24 PM |
| 5 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaMy whole point is that the cost-benefit analysis for gun safety is drastically different from that of "women safety". It’s about the relative magnitudes: a false positive matters little, but a false negative matters a lot. Being paranoid that your gun is loaded when it isn't: not a big deal, you might forgo the "fun" of being able to point a gun at a friend as a "joke". Being lax about whether your gun is loaded when it actually is: potential for grievous bodily harm or death. Compare to: Being … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:15 PM |
| 13 | CMV: “Treat all guns as if they are loaded” as justification for believing “AWALT” is a flawed analogy that encourages excessive cynicism and paranoiaI'm less concerned about the general principle of applying heuristics than the specific heuristics that would lead you to compare women to loaded guns. An alternative title to this thread could be "Many RP men have developed an unreasonably cynical and/or paranoid view of women". I wouldn't argue too strenuously if you wanted to make a point like "women are usually more passive than men". But if you were to claim that individual members of any large demographic group should be treated with extre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 11:04 PM |
| 1 | What are some things you see in PPD that you wish weren’t present / could be changed?Indeed! They're no means perfect, but what else are we supposed to use? Just make up whatever numbers you like? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/18 10:26 PM |
| 3 | The Sadness of Living Without SexThat's crazy talk! The answer is obviously exterminating young men in a pointless war! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/18 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Where do you fit in the hierarchy of RP disbelief?I wouldn't rule it out, nor would I rule it out for men. But I would question the rationality of someone of any sex or orientation who decided they wanted to have sex with tons of strangers with zero plans to ever settle down. It might really be what you want, but I think there's a good chance you'll feel empty and unfulfilled in the long run. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/18 11:50 AM |
| 1 | Q4BP: Where do you fit in the hierarchy of RP disbelief?Varies from 1-5, but also I'll write-in #6: Even if it does "work", it may not make you happier. That is, I feel there's a lot of behaviour that might help you get sex, but in the long run aren't as conducive to overall well-being. For instance, eschewing long-term relationships is very probably a bad idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/18 08:33 PM |
| 8 | Slowly Shifting Redpill due to Entitlement from WomenYeah, I suspect this is the case, and is also a good explanation for the so-called "Beta Bucks" phenomenon. If you have a very high paying job like a surgeon, you're going to attract a lot of gold diggers. Especially if he's trying to date the most physically attractive women who are willing to date him - in that case he's filtering especially hard for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/18 11:08 AM |
| 2 | A median SMV male will have a higher number of unique partners if he is "abusive."From a former regular PPD poster's excellent blog post Deradicalizing the Romanceless: The small problem is that there’s a bunch of sex you’re vastly more likely to have if you’re a terrible person: rape; cheating on your partner; helping someone else cheat on their partner; getting someone drunk or high to have sex with them that they wouldn’t have sober; convincing someone that you love them when you don’t for the purpose of getting laid; “convincing” someone who said “no” at the beginning of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/18 10:03 PM |
| 14 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricI'm a Blue Piller and I don't see any reasons to disagree with these points (though I'm unaware if there are any serious limitations with them). What I do disagree on is the idea that they prove society is "gynocentric", rather than being a few ways in which society is biased towards women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/18 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: what is the bare minimum that an extremely attractive person would have to do in order for you to have sex with them?Top 1% is like, tall, handsome and not fat. For some reason it's taken to mean something like "elite male fitness model" here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/18 03:29 AM |
| 3 | Why is making a guy wait longer than a month a bad thing to some?I feel this thread polling PPDers on the "time they waited for their SO Vs others" is relevant. Although obviously unscientific, there was a clear correlation between the times. My thread referencing it suggests an explanation: a lot of these cases of "making you wait while you jumped into bed with other men" are likely unproven assumptions, exacerbated by not understanding how different women may vary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 08:02 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion]Young Feminists Rejecting Sex with Nu-Males, going for broke old guys instead.I'm sure guys like these exist, I'm also quite sure they're outliers. The idea that most young men are "numales" that young women don't want to date strikes me as an illusory superiority fantasy of RPers. Last I checked women of all attractiveness levels overwhelming dated men of a fairly similar age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/18 08:55 PM |
| 9 | When men complain about their dating options it is seen as entitlement/misogyny however when women do so they are seen as legitimate grievances.By whom? In the manosphere, women are criticised all the time for complaining about their dating options, while being more forgiving of men doing the same. The places where men are criticised for complaining while women are forgiven are roughly the female equivalent of the manosphere. The majority of people are fairly indifferent, tending to be somewhat sympathetic for factors largely out of one's control (such as skewed gender ratios or disfigurement) and less sympathetic to factors largely wit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (08 April 2018)Seems like it, lonely women wouldn't talk about "Chads" and "Stacies". Probably created by incel posters, though it's more lighthearted than bitter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 10:36 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (08 April 2018)The country with the lowest average age overall for first marriage is... drumroll... Chad, at 19.2 Fucking Chad, always getting everything before you! In comparison, libcuck Sweden has an average age of 35. Makes you wonder what would happen if Chad invaded Sweden. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 10:29 AM |
| 1 | Let's talk about the 800-pound gorilla in the room: sperginess.Firstly, I think you're getting way too paranoid about this. Women don't have aren't all-powerful autism detectors. Calm down. It's hard to know what's happening with you specifically without observing you. It's possible that you have some social deficiencies that are very learnable and not some innate, unchangeable part of who you are. Also, how exactly are you meeting/hitting on women? If you're nervously approaching random women in nightclubs you could be failing even if your social skills wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/18 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Blue pillers often say traditional measures masculinity of masculinity are toxic but their go to ways of insulting people are traditional measures of masculinity.Some Blue Pillers are hypocritical assholes. Even though I generally subscribe to BP ideas, I do think there are some who just enjoy being mean under the cover of "righteous indignation". Still, it's not all of them - you'll get upvoted comments in /r/TheBluePill that call out virgin-shaming et al. In any case, though, the existence of said assholes doesn't mean their ideas are necessarily wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/18 09:49 PM |
| 2 | CMV: "AWALT is just a heuristic" is intellectually dishonest."Treat all guns as if they are loaded" is a good idea because a) not doing so has a not insignificant chance of fatal consequences and b) there's not much cost to being overly careful with a weapon that is literally designed to kill. When extended, the metaphor becomes obvious paranoia. "Treat all drinks as if they are poisoned". "Treat all compliments as if they are attempts at manipulation." "All women are like that". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/18 09:36 PM |
| 3 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?How does that compare to the extrapolation of gut feelings and intuitions? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/18 04:09 AM |
| 4 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?So who are the shadowy figures rigging surveys of sexual behaviour? What even are the possible financial incentives for doing so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 11:55 PM |
| 2 | In terms of cock carousels, the numbers don’t really bear out: median number of sexual partners for women = 4.2; 70% of women don’t exceed 6 lifetime sexual partners; less than one in ten women exceed 15 partners; and they are less likely to cheat in marriage.ay bby u want sum science? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 11:51 PM |
| 2 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?Yes, there certainly is bad science around. But it's through the scientific process that this bad science is getting discovered and weeded out. To be sure, it's a good idea to be at least a little sceptical before accepting something to be true just because a new study came out. But it's also a good idea to be a little sceptical about the reliability of your beliefs that came from life experience. If you've had three girlfriends and they've all cheated on you, you might be inclined to think "all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 11:46 PM |
| 24 | In terms of cock carousels, the numbers don’t really bear out: median number of sexual partners for women = 4.2; 70% of women don’t exceed 6 lifetime sexual partners; less than one in ten women exceed 15 partners; and they are less likely to cheat in marriage.The authors of the studies are well-aware of the limitations of self-reported data, and have used tested best practices for reducing the response bias it can cause. Furthermore, the existence of limitations of a study doesn't mean the rational response is to jettison it completely and assume the real numbers are whatever you feel like. If the real numbers are actually much higher, show some reliable evidence that this is the case! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 11:34 PM |
| 4 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?It's similar to saying "my uncle was a pack-a-day smoker and lived till he was 95, and science is sometimes wrong, therefore smoking is probably harmless". That's not to say there's zero value to life experience. But particularly for complex sociological questions like "Does a higher number of sexual partners reduce the ability to pair bond?", "life experience" is almost invariably not going to give a very good answer. Your "evidence" would probably consist of a sample size of "a handful of peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 11:22 PM |
| 10 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?You know that this is a debate forum, right? What's there to debate if your view is "my intuitions are always right and I refuse to listen to anyone showing scientific evidence otherwise"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 08:24 PM |
| 10 | Any evidence high N-count affects bonding?While this particular interpretation is a little dubious (possibly confusing correlation and causation), your disdain for scientific studies is probably worse. I would trust a social scientist every time over someone with "good intuition". For every time the social scientist misses something, the "intuitionist" thinks how they remember their friends behaving is representative of all humans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Parkland shooter, who killed 17 people, receives hundreds of love letters from girls across the nationDoes he actually? I'd be curious to see any actual data on this. I wonder if it's an "apex fallacy", where the high level gangsters get women, but the foot soldiers not so much. I'm reminded of how in Freakonomics, they talk about how the average drug dealer earned below minimum wage and lived with his mother, but the stereotype of the high-flier was matched by a few higher-up gang leaders. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/18 07:41 PM |
| 2 | Should men who dislike hypergamy embrace feminism?Have sex with, sure. But marry? Hardly ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/18 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Should men who dislike hypergamy embrace feminism?Male CEOs rarely go for maids, either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/18 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many women get defensive or go out of their own way to refute that females select men based on looks, money and status rather than altruism, gallantry etc?And they can be still be the case if they're fucking much, much less than a majority of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/03/18 07:57 PM |
| 4 | The idea of AFBB is a deliberate misunderstanding of how women get off. [CMV]Is there any evidence this is actually common though? The most I've seen is a collection of anecdotes solely from the male perspective, with all the theories about the women's pleasure just assumed by the men to fit their ideology. Surely sex researchers would have stumbled upon this phenomenon if it were so common. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/18 07:43 PM |
| 3 | The idea of AFBB is a deliberate misunderstanding of how women get off. [CMV]And I think OP is saying that these supposedly "provisioning" betas are often better for sex, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/18 07:36 PM |
| 6 | Why do women (overwhelmingly) enforce a sex toy/masturbation double standard: "you go girl!" vs. "he must be a creepy perv who can't get a girl in the real world", etc?It's probably "some vocal internet feminist said so, ergo this is the opinion of ALL women". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Lets Talk About Standards. How Picky is Too Picky?That's not an inordinate amount of effort to find a LTR. Obviously, the more attractive you are, the better. But once you've picked off the lowest hanging fruit, becoming significantly more attractive takes a lot of work. Given OP's description of himself, it doesn't seem like his attractiveness should be a major obstacle. I would bet that he'd improve his chances more with 100 hours spent dating and looking for ways to find new women, vs 100 hours in the gym. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 09:37 PM |
| 2 | Lets Talk About Standards. How Picky is Too Picky?Surely he'd have a pretty good idea of whether the women met his criteria before going on the date. Most of his listed traits can be pretty easily determined beforehand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 08:47 PM |
| 3 | Lets Talk About Standards. How Picky is Too Picky?This naive percentage analysis would make nearly anyone look picky. Most people prefer someone within a few years of their own age and living in the same country? Boom, that's down to 1% or so, technically. But obviously, that's not much of an obstacle to plenty of people getting hitched according to those characteristics. Similarly, for things like education and beliefs, so long as you can find those women and you're attractive enough to them, it's not much of a standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 08:45 PM |
| 2 | Lets Talk About Standards. How Picky is Too Picky?He estimates compatability with only 1.5% of women, but most of that is due to traits such as intelligence and psychological compatibility that are not what you'd call highly important for female "SMV". He absolutely does not need to be some kind of master alpha to achieve his standards. By that logic, someone who wants a partner from a special community might in theory be limiting themself to less than a millionth of all women, but that doesn't mean he has to be some kind of one in a million al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 08:33 PM |
| 2 | Have any of you ever known a popular, attractive young woman who ended up a cat lady? I haven't.It skews later with more education and other factors. I imagine PPDers ae much more likely to be in areas and demographics with later marriage ages. The fact that devoutly religious high school dropouts in Alabama may marry early isn't really relevant to the experiences of most people here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/18 08:19 PM |
| 2 | Does anyone know who produces the incel comics?It seems pretty clearly a troll. "I gulped and noticed my eyes twitching" like "Patrick Bateman"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/18 07:30 PM |
| 2 | Women didn't lie to menAnd even then, it's not necessarily about being "attractive" for marriage, it's also about not turning into a manchild who is incapable of cleaning up after himself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/18 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Saturday Gender Wars Megathread (17 March 2018)The latest episode of NPR's Hidden Brain, The Lonely American Man, touches on a number of issues we discuss here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/18 09:49 AM |
| 6 | Q4All: Why aren’t men told to stop dating Stacies?Because 99% of men are happy to get a date with even a morbidly obese burn victim, whereas the average women fucks three 1% Chads a day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/18 07:55 AM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxWhoosh. The point is that homeopathy doesn't work in spite of communities of people that will report that it does. The existence of a community reporting that something works is a very poor indicator of its actual efficacy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 10:10 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxHomeopaths will also swear it worked for them! I guess we should just take their word for it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 09:40 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxI eagerly await the results of that study. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 09:36 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxSome women report some things, some women report other things! What's more likely, that women are diverse, or there is a universal code for all women that you can determine once you figure out which women are wrong/lying? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 09:08 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxYour experiences and everyone else who reports the exact same experiences. Everyone else is lying or an outlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 08:57 PM |
| 4 | Do Tinder "experiments" actually demonstrate anything? If so, what?It suggests there are some women who are willing to have sex with very physically attractive strangers, even in spite of apparent personality flaws. So if you were a hardcore "no women are like that"-er, then it should shift your perception. But beyond that, it doesn't really prove anything. The women on Tinder, the women who match with this profile and the women who respond are all self-selected groups, and that's before you get to any cherry-picking on behalf of the author. Perhaps these group… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 08:55 PM |
| 7 | [Discussion] Male physical attractiveness and beta buxThis explains everything - you think your experiences with women extrapolates to everyone's experiences with women. Sorry, maybe the problem is with you (or the women you select for) much more than the intrinsic nature of all women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 08:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men (RP and PP): – Male co-worker asks for dating advice, do you…Presumably "enough women are like that" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 10:14 PM |
| 10 | Do feminists/women/tbp associate 'goodness' with sexual attractiveness/getting laid often?I do agree to an extent. The essay Radicalising the Romanceless touches on the other side of this. (Although I think the author mistakes unrepresentative perceptions for pure meanness). You simply don't see the "nice guys" who are quiet about it, therefore your perception of them is going to be skewed, especially if you're reading about egregious examples. (The same thing can happen on the other side with say, Tumblrinaction or TRP). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 08:01 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: Do you have any predictions for the SMP of the future?Nothing significantly different will happen. The vast majority of people will date and have sex, a few vocal weirdos on the internet will be convinced that Chad is getting everything. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/18 06:57 AM |
| 2 | What is the bare minimum a guy needs to have casual sex/a girlfriend in your part of the world?Large percentages of people are obese and don't take care of their appearance in other ways. The typical online "incel" is better looking than vast swathes of people who managed to find partners. Social skills, I'd be more inclined to agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/18 01:33 AM |
| 1 | What is the bare minimum a guy needs to have casual sex/a girlfriend in your part of the world?Considering that the vast majority of both and women manage to find partners, the answer is: "pretty much nothing, so long as you have minimal standards yourself and are willing to look". Even assuming some standards, there are no real binary deal-breakers, basically everything exists on a continuum. For instance, being short or overweight doesn't help, but they're not total disqualifiers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 07:42 PM |
| 2 | What is the point to living for 80% of men if they just languish in an asexual hell? What is the point to living without sexual success?Something like 1% of men report being virgins at 40, so what you're describing is considerably rarer than bottom 20%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 10:09 AM |
| 1 | [Shower thought] If we had to select a group of 100 people to populate a new planet, the optimal distribution would be 20 men and 80 women, not 50/50It's purely empirical. It is just observational data: It is neither scientific nor non-scientific, as nobody has a good theory to explain it. The point is that the data was not collected from a representative sample of the population, and relied on online dating profile pictures, which may not be an effective way of evaluating attractiveness for both sexes. Also: you are offering far more in this statement than the crusaders do. The crusade claims that the OkCupid data are meaningless because al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 11:43 PM |
| 3 | [Shower thought] If we had to select a group of 100 people to populate a new planet, the optimal distribution would be 20 men and 80 women, not 50/50The "crusade" is against the blatant, self-serving over-interpretation of what is interesting but non-scientific data. A reasonable, neutral interpretation of the OkCupid data: "Intriguing. I'd like to see some future studies replicating this effect, compare it to tests with face-to-face ratings, and evidence of what (if any) effect this has on actual dating decisions". A typical Red Pill/Black Pill interpretation: "SCIENTIFIC PROOF that women are exclusively attracted to the top 20% of men and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Average 23 year old man vs average 33 year old man, who has an easier time finding a relationship with a decent woman?The majority of people are not college graduates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 09:03 PM |
| 1 | Average 23 year old man vs average 33 year old man, who has an easier time finding a relationship with a decent woman?One bit of insularity I see in threads like this is that supposedly EVERYONE is a college graduate by 23. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 09:01 PM |
| 3 | Women prefer the sex of their more attractive lovers than the men they end up with long term."WOMEN ARE SLUTTING IT UP WITH CHAD THEN MARRYING BETA BUXES!!!, take #4082. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Women dress provocatively in order to entice alphas, while promoting feminist nonsense about catcalling and slut-shaming to disincentivize betas.Yeah, I think it's basically this again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/18 07:58 PM |
| 1 | How much does going to the gym improve male attractiveness?My view is that it will make a difference, however, it's relatively small per hour at the gym. If you're a clueless dork, there are almost certainly some lower-hanging fruit that you shouldn't neglect (like style, social skills, and not having a terrible online dating profile). If you're still not happy with your results after figuring those things out, then lifting will likely be the best next step. But if you never do those things and you're trying to optimise your success, then you're doing i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/18 08:42 PM |
| 1 | At 42 (M) one thing I realized is I'm not chasing anymore. The script has flipped. When I was younger, women held the cards, at this age...men control the escalation. Women my age fear being alone, men don't.And what I'm saying is that if the RP "source text" is a bunch of unsourced claims from some guy with no verifiable expertise in human sexuality, that's a really good reason to discount it. (And there's a similar argument to made about the Bible, or at least Biblical literalism). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/18 10:18 PM |
| 3 | Are there high-value males in MGTOW?/r/MGTOW is a bit like /r/childfree. There's not much conversation to be had about the absence of something other than to complain about said thing, so inevitably all the conversation becomes about said thing (women in the former case, children in the latter). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/18 09:47 PM |
| 1 | At 42 (M) one thing I realized is I'm not chasing anymore. The script has flipped. When I was younger, women held the cards, at this age...men control the escalation. Women my age fear being alone, men don't.Data? OKCupid's age and attractiveness rankings? Surveys? All far better than the ideas Rollo pulled out of his ass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/18 09:29 PM |
| 1 | At 42 (M) one thing I realized is I'm not chasing anymore. The script has flipped. When I was younger, women held the cards, at this age...men control the escalation. Women my age fear being alone, men don't.You can recognise the ways in which your personal experiences make you an outlier, and utilise scientific data from the population as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/18 09:26 PM |
| 6 | Feminism needs to stop pushing young women towards casual sexOne woman said something and another woman said something completely different! Women are such hypocrites! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/18 08:55 PM |
| 2 | Which genders imperative is harder to fulfill?How is "spinning plates" fulfilling the "male imperative"? Who was better at passing on his genes, Wilt Chamberlain (who allegedly bedded 10,000 women but has no known children) or Joseph P. Kennedy (the father of JFK and eight others, with many more living descendants)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/18 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many extremely high value males marry post-wall women?And he had the affair because he wasn't able to marry the woman compatible with him, and had to settle for the royal-approved young virgin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/18 07:49 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many extremely high value males marry post-wall women?It's plausible that one of the reasons their marriage fell apart was their incompatibility that was exacerbated by the age gap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/18 07:33 PM |
| 1 | Serious question - Are many BluePillers mentally ill?As a nominal "Blue Piller", I have had some similar thoughts to OP. Yeah, I certainly think it's worse on TRP, and I don't think the majority of /r/TheBluePill subscribers are assholes. That said, there's just something troubling about communities that exist entirely to mock other people, even when it's supposedly "satire" or "righteous indignation". At one end of the spectrum you get /r/FatPeopleHate, which was clearly just assholes trying to make themselves feel better by shitting on other peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/18 04:58 PM |
| 0 | Serious question - Are many BluePillers mentally ill?Something from /r/indianpeoplefacebook | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/18 04:41 PM |
| 2 | Why are women getting so triggered by sex bots?Eh, it seems plausible enough than in a world of 7 billion, you can find examples of real people with all sorts of weird views. The big fallacy is going from "some tiny minority on the internet says X" to "women in general think X". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/18 04:31 PM |
| 11 | "after seeing someone's ring, would pick it apart later. It was a mix of judging the man and pitying the woman". It's never to your face, but to what extent is a man judged for buying an inexpensive engagement ring?8 feet tall 8 cars 8 legs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/18 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Online Dating vs In Real Life - Men will always do worseOh, I can definitely relate. It's easy to be influenced by the incel-types who think the ability to attract a date is 99% of the problem. But if you think about it - if you have no dating experience and are relatively asocial, why would you expect to be able to go on a date and be instantly good at it? It's like picking up a tennis racket after never playing sports in your life, sucking at it, then concluding it must be because you're genetically predisposed to being terrible at tennis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/18 10:59 PM |
| 1 | Online Dating vs In Real Life - Men will always do worseThis is basically me. I have no idea how I'd get a date IRL without completely changing my life. It also helps that I'm fairly good-looking with good pictures and a funny profile. Signing up for Tinder literally eliminated my "Forever Alone" fears overnight (though I still have issues on the dates themselves). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/18 09:30 PM |
| 3 | If not than the Redpill or Pua, where else should nerds go to get advice on how to get casual sex?No one seems to bat an eye when a woman proclaims she just wants to "have some fun" and bang different guys every week Outside of a select few sex-positive liberal feminist circles, "banging different guys every week" will at least very least raise eyebrows. I'm not saying you definitely should avoid casual sex. Just try to be sceptical of your own motivations for wanting to engage in a lot of it. It'll be similar if you were poor as a kid and were jealous of the flash cars of richer kids, got r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/18 07:52 AM |
| 5 | Q4PP: What makes you purple?I've become slightly purple (though still overall much more blue-leaning) recently. The main reason is that I've beginning to think that "attractiveness denialism" (the underrating of the importance of looks) is more prevalent than I previously thought. I don't think that "feminists lied to us so they could fuck Chad in the club bathroom" or anything like that, but I think that /u/BiggerDthanYou's argument that "lol everyone but total spergs knew that looks matter a lot" is not totally right. De… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/18 05:46 AM |
| 3 | If not than the Redpill or Pua, where else should nerds go to get advice on how to get casual sex?Sure, but we're not talking just sex and intimacy, but the grandiose dreams of becoming "Chad" the "alpha slayer" who bangs a hundred women. That's going well beyond trying to get a normal level of sexual experience, and into the level of "probably trying to prove something". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/18 05:16 AM |
| 1 | If not than the Redpill or Pua, where else should nerds go to get advice on how to get casual sex?Fear of missing out | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/18 03:00 AM |
| 12 | If not than the Redpill or Pua, where else should nerds go to get advice on how to get casual sex?I think the majority of guys trying super hard to get casual sex are doing so out of an unhealthful desire for validation and overcoming their FOMO than an actual evaluation of how enjoyable casual sex is. Stop thinking you have to have a life like Chad the frat bro to be happy. Happiness research consistently shows that close relationships and meaningful work are much more important for long term happiness than constant hedonism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/18 09:28 PM |
| 4 | If not than the Redpill or Pua, where else should nerds go to get advice on how to get casual sex?No-one cares if you read /r/Fitness and /r/socialskills with the aim of making yourself more attractive. It's the misogynistic stuff like "women are children" and dangerously manipulative stuff like "dread game" that are the primary reasons TRP is controversial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/18 09:14 PM |
| 1 | I have no sympathy for men who were ignored by girls in high school/ women in collegeI feel this thread is at least partially tongue-in-cheek, what with the "top 20%" reference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/18 03:47 AM |
| 1 | [CMV]Women's hypergramy might have fueled #metoo issues and addressing it might curb these issues.There's no contradiction. You could say that the Salem Witch Trials were due to a delusional belief in witchcraft. It does not follow that women were to blame for being witches. It was a delusion. Even if there are some kernels of truth to your delusion, that doesn't give you carte blanche to abuse people under that guise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/17 07:44 PM |
| 9 | [CMV]Women's hypergramy might have fueled #metoo issues and addressing it might curb these issues.Harvey Weinstein's sexual assaults had nothing to do with "women's hypergamy". The women weren't attracted to him, but he had power that allowed him to get away with it. You could say a delusional belief in extreme hypergamy could have had Weinstein wrongly thinking he was hot stuff to women when he wasn't. I don't see why women are to blame for that, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/17 11:53 AM |
| 3 | [Xpost from r/Science] Females are four times more sensitive than males to economic status cues when rating opposite sex attractiveness, indicating that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.But the vast majority of people have incomes less than an order of magnitude from the median income. And increasing your income by an order of magnitude is super hard. As far as practical advice goes, this paper suggests that realistic increases in income have a fairly negligible impact on your attractiveness. If you earn $50k, then if you think you're going to be significantly more attractive to women if you can climb your way to $70k, then think again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 09:08 PM |
| 3 | [Xpost from r/Science] Females are four times more sensitive than males to economic status cues when rating opposite sex attractiveness, indicating that higher economic status can offset lower physical attractiveness in men much more easily than in women.So you need a tenfold increase in salary to improve 1.5-2.6 points of attractiveness! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 08:37 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The majority of both men and women can maintain near-peak physical attractiveness into their 30sI wouldn't really trust any of those lists, they're more akin to celebrity human interest stories for their readers than an attempt to genuinely measure attractiveness. Like, Jennifer Aniston is pretty, but no poll of straight men would ever rank her #1 in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 08:26 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The majority of both men and women can maintain near-peak physical attractiveness into their 30sI think this is balanced out by facial ageing generally being a bigger hit to women's attractiveness than men's. An otherwise attractive man with a few wrinkles can appear "rugged", whereas the same amount of wrinkling will often make a woman look "old". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 01:38 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The majority of both men and women can maintain near-peak physical attractiveness into their 30sBut most men don't really peak physically until late 30s or 40s. I find this hard to believe. Maaaaybe you could justify early 30s, but 40s? How many decades are you taking to build your body? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 12:52 AM |
| 8 | CMV: The majority of both men and women can maintain near-peak physical attractiveness into their 30sI don't think you could say Brad Pitt looked clearly worse in his 30s than his 20s. He was a bit less cute, but a bit more masculine. Different women could easily prefer either. Now, present-day 54-year-old Pitt is clearly past his prime (though still good for his age, obviously). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 12:42 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The majority of both men and women can maintain near-peak physical attractiveness into their 30sI agree that men in their 30s are going to find it difficult to date very young women. But I don't think it's because their physical attractiveness has plunged, it's because the age gap is too much. It'd probably be easier for them to land a 7/10 30-year-old than a 6/10 20-year-old. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/17 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Do women have higher standards for a dating partner than men do?I've skimmed thousands of Tinder profiles and have never ever seen one of those supposedly ubiquitous "super high standards" profiles. Occasionally there's a mention of height, but even then it's usually just "be taller than me". The stuff you see on /r/ChoosingBeggars is basically filtering for the 1/1000 crazies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/17 10:08 PM |
| 1 | A good number of you think that mainstream mean/median partner estimates are too low. What do you think are the true numbers?But those people aren't likely to affect the median much. Someone who is unsure whether their n is 15 or 17 is far from the median. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/17 04:35 AM |
| 3 | A good number of you think that mainstream mean/median partner estimates are too low. What do you think are the true numbers?Yep, I've had three email addresses that I've actually used. But sexual partners for most people are really important and memorable. Someone with an n-count of 5 is highly unlikely to forget and think it's only 2. What you're saying might be true of someone having scores of ONSs, but such people are invariably going to be safely bunched up in the 15+ category. And I'm not saying that you specifically are citing any figures, but there are others who confidently claim the real figures are very dif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/17 11:41 PM |
| 3 | A good number of you think that mainstream mean/median partner estimates are too low. What do you think are the true numbers?I would imagine that for most people, their sexual partners are substantially more memorable than their email addresses. And I repeat, unreliable compared to what? It's one thing to say that we can't be sure that it's reliable, but quite enough to confidentially assert your own figures that were drawn from much more dubious sources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/17 11:09 PM |
| 2 | A good number of you think that mainstream mean/median partner estimates are too low. What do you think are the true numbers?I think it's likely in the right ballpark. Maybe a little overestimated for men and underestimated for women, but nothing huge. It uses scientific sampling and accepted best practices for reducing bias, like allowing for anonymous responses. People who think it's completely wrong and have their own theories because "self-reported data is unreliable", yes it has limitations, but what else is more reliable? Your anecdotal experiences? That's subject to enormous amounts of unreliability and bias. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/17 09:54 PM |
| 1 | Women with an abusive dating history.I assume you're referring to Radicalising the Romanceless from Slate Star Codex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/17 11:04 AM |
| 2 | Weekly Saturday Gender Wars Megathread (23 December 2017)They're probably not completely accurate, but they're the best information we have. They're scientifically sampled and anonymised according to best practices. They have their limitations, but almost everyone who disputes them does so with numbers pulled out of their ass (which needless to say, is evidence that suffers from considerably more limitations). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/17 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Why TRP is actually agent SmithI do think the Matrix metaphor of "the red pill" is good marketing to TRP's target demographic. "Hey, nerdy dude! Follow our advice and you'll become a badass like Neo!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/17 10:49 PM |
| 3 | QFMEN: Do you think women's standards are too high?No, almost all women are settling, but few men are. </s> | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/17 08:19 PM |
| 1 | TRP is NOT a cultIt's not a cult, but it is tribalistic in a way that a lot of ideologies are (probably more so than average). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/17 11:54 PM |
| 7 | Is there an opposite to the Cock Carousel?Traditional conservatives. Although I think the reality for the majority of women (and even men) is kind of in the middle. They're generally not having ONS with complete strangers, nor immediately evaluating every man on his suitability to be a husband. What may start off as casual might eventually turn into a LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/17 03:15 AM |
| 1 | If casual sex/one night stands are apparently mostly orgasm-less pump and dump experiences for women then why are they much more promiscuous than men?17 seconds in heaven is better than 16 seconds in heaven. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/17 02:08 AM |
| 12 | If casual sex/one night stands are apparently mostly orgasm-less pump and dump experiences for women then why are they much more promiscuous than men?That's the median. Chad has sex with 5,000 woman a day, balancing it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/17 08:14 PM |
| 3 | Dating advice for women?When women say what they want in a man: RP men: "Don't ask the fish, ask the fisherman!" Also RP men: "Here's what I want in a woman, therefore, this is unimpeachable advice on what women should do". I feel that RP men are unusually preoccupied with sex and uninterested in romance (even by male standards) , but tend to think that all men are the same as them. Their "ideal wife" is probably more docile than a lot of other men would prefer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/17 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Creep shamingWhile there are some unreasonable creep-shamers, I think the trope of "it's just lookism" is misguided and possibly dangerous. It can definitely be a rationalisation to downplay genuinely creepy behaviour. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/17 07:19 PM |
| 0 | The disconnect, why would a girl that loves you give you subpar sex compared to FWB and ons? Does love have zero sexual value?Nope, the only possible explanation is ALPHA FUX/BETA BUX!!1! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/17 01:37 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Saturday Gender Wars Megathread (02 December 2017)That's why alimony can make sense. The husband (in this scenario) is building human capital while the wife isn't. If it's fair to split a tangible asset like a house, why not human capital too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/17 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: What do you think about Tinder?It takes very little effort to set up a profile, so you may as well try. (Though I would advise not to make the barest minimum effort if you want good results). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/17 09:18 AM |
| 2 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (26 November 2017)The Complicated Legacy Of A Panda Who Was Really Good At Sex The Genghis Khan/Chad Thundercock of pandas, of whom a quarter of pandas in captivity today are descended. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/17 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Man swipes right on 200,000 women with no successIt'd probably get banned by Tinder in short order. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/17 09:01 PM |
| 6 | Man swipes right on 200,000 women with no successMost people do date someone of similar looks. The people that use the term "looksmatch", though, are almost invariably men who extremely bitter at any woman who doesn't automatically accept a date with him if he considers her to be of similar looks, thinking she must be holding out for "Chad", rather than any other preference she might hold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/17 09:01 PM |
| 1 | The biggest problem modern men are facing is that they are youngHow many per year would you classify as "player" level? What % of men do you think meet that criteria? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/11/17 08:38 PM |
| 1 | The biggest problem modern men are facing is that they are youngNot enough? What's your minimum criteria for a "player"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/11/17 07:13 PM |
| 1 | What's this sub's opinion on stay at home dadsPoe's Law. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/17 05:35 AM |
| 5 | What's this sub's opinion on stay at home dads/r/jesuschristreddit | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/17 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Do Blue Pill men get laid regularly?Why does TRP have to be "all or nothing"? Hardly anyone here disagrees that being muscular and confident won't help you with women. It's the other stuff we're critical of, and much of that probably doesn't help you with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/17 10:00 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Only a tiny elite of men are able to spin HIGH-QUALITY plates. To say otherwise is a TRP fantasy.6% of all men report five or more opposite sex partners in the past year. There's obviously no "high quality partner" category, but it'd be reasonable to assume they make up a relatively small fraction (and/or the men were frequenting prostitutes). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/11/17 04:45 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Evolutionary Psychology could help promote men develop an understanding of female sexuality and to be less belligerent and susceptible to developing false expectations/r/incels refugees, probably. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 08:47 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Evolutionary Psychology could help promote men develop an understanding of female sexuality and to be less belligerent and susceptible to developing false expectationsWhy the hell would a romantic comedy involve the lead couple having sex immediately? That would be difficult to make a good story out of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/17 08:30 PM |
| 2 | [Serious Question] Is the Blue Pill just denial and delusions?This is one of those evo-psych theories that doesn't even make sense from an evolutionary perspective. Maximising the success of your genes is so much more than just the amount of sex you have. Even an asexual caveman could be maximising his genetic fitness by helping create a better mini-society for his nieces and nephews. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/17 09:52 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: How does hotness make sense in terms of evolution?Also, most human evolution occured in tropical Africa. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/17 07:23 PM |
| 2 | How much of RP is based on observations and how much is based on speculation about how women think and feel?TRP is widely opposed at more places than /r/TheBluePill, and probably no-one has ever said that it is literally 100% wrong about everything. A better analogy would be someone who denied that height was generally attractive in males because of a couple of women who said they preferred shorter guys, concluding that all studies showing otherwise were wrong and all women who admitted they preferred taller guys were lying for some reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/17 12:26 AM |
| 3 | How much of RP is based on observations and how much is based on speculation about how women think and feel?There's also a lot of speculations on behaviour that have no direct support (such as the 80/20 rule), but rely on the assumption that a couple of bits of anecdata from "likes" on online dating are irrefutable proof that women are slutting it up with Chad, but all survey data and other evidence to the contrary are meaningless because it's possible that people might lie on them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 09:03 PM |
| 6 | How much of RP is based on observations and how much is based on speculation about how women think and feel?All his evidence is based on what a couple of women he knew supposedly told him. Therefore, they are unimpeachable speakers for women everywhere, and every single other woman is lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?But it's not supported by any evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 09:01 AM |
| 2 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?It's not the idea that "women are pickier". It's the idea that "women are tripping over themselves to get Chad while the bottom 80% of men are invisible". The fact they're responding relatively equally across attractiveness levels is prima facie evidence against that hypothesis. "Well actually, it's possible they're just trying to get free meals out of the less attractive men, while they go off and fuck the hot men!" Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that RP is wrong and women are relative… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 01:31 AM |
| 2 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?It'd be one thing if the jock got 30%, but most others got ~0%. But that's not what the OkCupid data shows. Looks are a consistent bonus for men (except when the best-looking men message the worst-looking women, which is a strike against the "ugly women love to hook up with Chad" narrative), but are never a guarantee nor a total deal-breaker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 12:56 AM |
| 3 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?No. All I'm saying is that if your side's flagship piece of empirical evidence also includes evidence that on the face of it contradicts your side, that's a really bad sign. Sure, you can come up with some speculation for why it might actually still be consistent with your theory. But you shouldn't have to do that with your own side's evidence! Of all the thousands of studies and pseudo-studies in the world, RPs couldn't find one that didn't have something better than a mixed message? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/17 10:29 PM |
| 2 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?That's a possibility, but still unsupported speculation. To my knowledge, there aren't any polls of how much sex OkCupid users are having between each other, so our best guess should be general surveys of sexual partners, and they don't suggest there being anything like an "80/20 rule". The OkCupid study is supposedly the big smoking gun of RP empirical evidence. If even that has contradictory evidence that needs rationalising, it's really not a good sign. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/17 09:39 PM |
| 4 | Most enraging/cringey quotes from TheRedPill or TheBluePill?And beyond the 80% bit, none of it actually supports RP ideas (women were shown to be open to responding to men from across the attractiveness spectrum). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/17 07:43 PM |
| 5 | Is the "cock carousel" truly the reason why women aren't attracted to their "beta" husbands?Do you think every woman's youth is like Jersey Shore? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/17 01:27 AM |
| 1 | The OkCupid data does not reflect reality.If women are only interested in the top 20% of men, then why are they still replying to men from across the attractiveness spectrum? If unattractive women supposedly love the idea of hooking up with Chad, why are their reply rates lower when the most attractive men message them? If even your main source of evidence has a bunch of elements that contradict you, is that a bad sign? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/17 12:44 AM |
| 2 | Maybe rape culture is a thing?I didn't infer that from his statement at all. Nothing about the word "misread" implies that you ever managed to not misread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/17 10:41 PM |
| 6 | CMV: The 'sexual liberation' only benefits women and top-tier men.There's some overlap, but there are a number of elements of successfully getting casual sex that have little benefit in relationships (such as the ability to filter through large numbers of women in low-inhibition environments to find those willing to have sex) as well as elements of successfully navigating relationships that have little benefit for procuring casual sex (such as the ability to peacefully resolve disagreements). There seems to a belief among many RPers that if a guy gets laid a l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/17 10:26 PM |
| 5 | CMV: The 'sexual liberation' only benefits women and top-tier men.No, I can't point you to a woman on PPD who says this. Every woman on PPD denies this, even the red ones, because Team Woman. Why would the red ones deny it? They agree with all sorts of other things that aren't so flattering for "Team Woman", so why would they disagree with this one specifically? I've talked with women, in person and online elsewhere, who have said this. If we've never heard this ourselves, why should we take your word for it? And why should you unconditionally believe they spe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/17 10:10 PM |
| 6 | [CMV] "Women are attracted to men who make them laugh" is the same as "Swaying trees create wind""Women only want Chad", take #3,641. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/17 07:37 PM |
| 13 | Cmv: most girls barely date at all, let alone actively spin platesI think that this is closer to the truth than the male-only version. A bunch of promiscuous people in promiscuous scenes have sex with each other, rather than the "Even the most reserved woman has fucked a bunch of Chads" story I sometimes hear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/17 09:18 AM |
| 6 | We've all been exposed to Red Pill Truths, but preferred the comfort of Blue Pill LiesThere are a number of elements of TRP that are comforting to its readers but largely untrue. The idea that women hit the wall young while men don't really hit it at all is one of them. Another is the idea that the male population is largely well-defined into a minority of "alphas" and a majority of "betas", but the "alphas" are getting the majority of sex. That's appealing because it allows struggling guys to think "I'm not below average, 80% of guys are struggling", but also "Here's an easy-to-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/17 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: If you don't believe men who say they were lied to and learned wrong things about attraction growing up, why do you keep asking them?I'm somewhat conflicted in that I do agree that there are some confusing messages, but I also think that confused guys often bear some blame for not being too literal in their understanding of what are often meant to be words of encouragement, or not actually going out and practising dating to get some real-world experience. Still, "what women want" is a really difficult problem that I don't think anyone has really figured out with any precision, especially considering the diversity of women and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/17 11:12 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If you're not Alpha, you're a cuckBecause most men aren't these super Chads or pathetic betas you and a lot of manospherians seem to think they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/17 10:35 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: If you don't believe men who say they were lied to and learned wrong things about attraction growing up, why do you keep asking them?As a teenager, I also believed that looks basically didn't matter for men. However, I didn't think it was "niceness" that was attractive, rather it was all about "status". If you want to get the girl, you have to thoroughly impress her, either with something like musical ability, or sheer wealth. I think this model, while partially incorrect, is a lot closer to the truth than the "just be nice" model. There are also a fair number of real world examples supporting it (Donald Trump being an obviou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/17 08:34 PM |
| 1 | The assertion that men can easily live without sex and romance is not validI do agree that loneliness and lack of intimacy are genuine issues, and I do feel that some Blue Pillers are a bit dismissive of this. Still, it's usually the more misogynist and entitled attitudes some incels espouse that we have problems with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Female sexual strategy is partly to blame for the power imbalance between men and women.There doesn't seem to be any consensus on what the 80/20 rule means, but there certainly are people who claim that "20% of men are banging 80% of women" or something close to that. The claim is that the top 80% of women are competing for the top 20% of men This is just so watered down as to be trivial and/or non-falsifiable. 80% of men would also undoubtedly prefer the top 20% of women, too. The idea that women are less happy "settling"... where's the evidence? Tinder data certainly isn't proof … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Female sexual strategy is partly to blame for the power imbalance between men and women.Is there anything between 'scientific truth' and 'we have no idea'? The thing is, they never offer any alternative. Theres never any analysis of the data that shows it to be random, or uniformly balanced. There's the CDC data and other surveys showing men and women having similar numbers of sexual partners. Even the infamous "80% of men below average" OkCupid blog post showed those very same women being open to men of varying attractiveness levels, as do other studies. It's all very consistent w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 12:57 AM |
| 2 | Female sexual strategy is partly to blame for the power imbalance between men and women.Wow, you're right. I was under the impression he actually had data on the distribution of likes for various men. But it seems that literally all he has is "women swipe right 12% of the time", then makes a bunch of dubious extrapolations from that. (That women swipe less than men is not exactly news, even Tinder themselves admit to it). You need a huge number of assumptions to be correct to go from "women are selective on Tinder" to "women are hooking up en masse with Chads". Maybe they're mostly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 05:59 PM |
| 4 | Female sexual strategy is partly to blame for the power imbalance between men and women.But this inequality is a myth. Men and women have more or less equal amounts of sex in real life. This is just yet another example of an unhealthy focus on anonymous casual sex as being the holy grail of human existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 05:16 PM |
| 3 | Female sexual strategy is partly to blame for the power imbalance between men and women.Even those "Tinder male model" experiments had some girls who, despite matching with the model, were resistant to hooking up. This whole "Chad can fuck anyone!" angle is just complete nonsense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 04:54 PM |
| 1 | The current sexual harassment campaign is further evidence of 80-20. "Ugly" men try and use their power to influence women with lesser status. That is why people who are attractive aren't being accused. So when someone unattractive mirrors the behavior of someone attractive, it leads us here.And this shows what exactly? There's a decent number of millennial singles, therefore... Chad has a massive harem? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 07:27 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Tremendous, supportive media reactions to incidents like Harvey Weinstein and Brock Turner prove there is no rape culture in the United StatesWhat if the men will see their careers advance anyway, but women need to resort to the casting couch to get the same result? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 02:30 AM |
| 1 | The current sexual harassment campaign is further evidence of 80-20. "Ugly" men try and use their power to influence women with lesser status. That is why people who are attractive aren't being accused. So when someone unattractive mirrors the behavior of someone attractive, it leads us here.None of this is mathematically possible without huge harems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 02:19 AM |
| 3 | The current sexual harassment campaign is further evidence of 80-20. "Ugly" men try and use their power to influence women with lesser status. That is why people who are attractive aren't being accused. So when someone unattractive mirrors the behavior of someone attractive, it leads us here.Maybe on the margin. I agree that the halo effect does exist. But where OP et al go off the rails is the degree to which they overestimate the size of the effect. They seem to think that the SNL skit, rather than being a heavy exaggeration of a real phenomenon for the sake of comedy, is literally how the real world works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/17 10:34 PM |
| 14 | The current sexual harassment campaign is further evidence of 80-20. "Ugly" men try and use their power to influence women with lesser status. That is why people who are attractive aren't being accused. So when someone unattractive mirrors the behavior of someone attractive, it leads us here.Harvey Weinstein didn't just "hit on" women. If all he ever did was ask out lots of women for dates, there'd be relatively little controversy (although being married and in a position of power would still have made it inappropriate). He's been accused of trying to force himself on women, of showing up naked, of trying to trade sex for favours. All that would eventually get him into trouble even if he looked like an Adonis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/17 08:59 PM |
| 1 | Does Paul Nizan's quote ("I was twenty, I won't let anyone say those are the best years of your life") epitomize beta frustation?I really doubt it. I mean, it's possible there were a tiny handful of guys who interpreted it that way. But the idea that the majority of guys are/were "struggling betas" is unsupported nonsense. And in any case, the French protests also had support from women and "Chads", who according to this theory had nothing to complain about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/17 08:40 PM |
| 1 | What is beta and what is alpha?"Beta" - Reddit nerds who think the "average man" is just like them "Alpha" - An amalgamation of "hot asshole" tropes assembled by the former | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/17 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Q4 average and attractive people, what would you do if you woke up tomorrow as a 2/10?Surely you've only been actively trying for a small portion of the time you've been alive, and you've been gaining experience. Like any skill, it almost invariably takes much longer to do something for the first time than it does to repeat it. And also (hoping this doesn't come across as creepy), looking at your rateme pics, you do look rather young for your age (you could probably pass for 16). Despite the impression that some RPers may give, this isn't necessarily a good thing. It does mean th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/17 11:17 PM |
| 1 | What does it even mean when TRP claims to be "amoral"?Is providing information that would overwhelmingly be used in an immoral way immoral? Is there nothing wrong with writing a guide on how to be a terrorist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/10/17 12:35 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP If the Red Pill is indeed the "truth" about sexual relationships, why does it have such a small fringe internet presence? Why has it utterly failed to catch on beyond a few thousand anonymous redditors?He was also a feminist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/17 09:15 PM |
| 6 | Is hypergamy absolute or relative?Anything that allows you to whine about women having "too high" standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/17 07:25 PM |
| 3 | Men are struggling to deal with the fact they don’t control what women find attractive any moreITT: More "every man but Chad is struggling" nonsense | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/10/17 07:12 PM |
| 1 | How do we define average?No, thats not how market prices work with currency either. If 0.1% are willing to pay millions for it.... the 99.99% would easily be prepared to pay millions-10% for it, if only for the potential arbitrage opportunity of it's retail value (hey, I can make 10% of a few mill here!) But that's irrelevant for dating, where it's not possible to arbitrage. If we were to look at intrinsic valuations only, then valuations from people who were never going to buy anyway are completely irrelevant. And that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 10:25 PM |
| 1 | How do we define average?You're assuming that "average rating" is a good indicator of someone's SMV, but I don't think it is. (Certainly, it's not how market prices work with currency, as something can be worthless to 99.9% of the population yet be worth millions because 0.1% are willing to pay a lot for it). Both of my example men might end up with relatively low ratings overall, but high ratings among different niches, such that they could be capable of dating more conventionally attractive women than a guy who was co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 09:39 AM |
| 1 | How do we define average?So, perhaps, you’d pay $1k for that car, and I'd pay $2k, but the market value does still exist. The difference is that market prices for cars or other goods can be measured objectively in currency. Ignoring prostitution, dating markets are pure barter. So even though a car and a carton of grain are very different goods, if they both sell for $1,000, we can say they have the same "market price". That same analysis isn't really possible with people. How do you compare the SMV of a 19-year-old bla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 12:59 AM |
| 1 | The SMP does not include every living person in a given regionWhat does this matter except as a way to be a pedant or allow you to feel better or worse about your "rank"? What does arbitrarily ruling out a group of people achieve? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 12:44 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".Who has ever said anything like that? Can you find quotes? Usually it seems they're referring to what they personally believe, they're not saying that literally all women agree with them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/17 08:52 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".But it's not really possible to go from "average guy" to "male model". Or to the extent that you can, it takes a huge amount of work. However, you can choose to stop being an asshole at any moment. And it's the right thing to do anyway, even if it doesn't help you get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 11:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".I don't really disagree, but I don't think that tells you very much in the very visual, hook-up orientated medium that is Tinder. It's also using extreme examples of top 0.01% male models. What practical benefit is that to you? On the other hand, if a bad personality does cause a significant penalty, that's a point against your claim that "Incels aren't incel because of their personality". Yeah, maybe they can't do as well as asshole supermodels no matter how good their personalities are. But th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 10:14 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".But these "experiments" don't prove that personality doesn't matter at all, the most they show is that some women are willing to hook up with very attractive men who have questionable personalities (and don't forget, there are women with questionable personalities as well). It's plausible these men would get even more attention if they displayed better personalities, but there's no way to tell because the "experimenter" doen't even try to find this out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 09:58 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".None of these "experiments" even try to have some kind of control (or even show all their data). It wouldn't be that hard to use the same photos with different bios and compare the results. But all we can ever conclude from them is "some women will be interested in very attractive men with questionable profiles". Ok, but what does that tell us about how they would have done with a less objectionable profile? Nothing. (By the way, it suffers from the same objection, but someone did a similar expe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 09:27 PM |
| 6 | (CMV) It’s a man’s world: The Dating ApocalypseYep. As I've said before, Chad worship is like starving people who idolise gluttons. No happiness research suggests that endless empty sex brings happiness, but it does certainly suggest that feeling lonely brings unhappiness. A lot of incels probably think something like "I'd be so much happier if someone would want me for sex, so guys getting sex all the time must be the happiest men on the planet!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 07:45 PM |
| 1 | Feminist dating? Is Dr. Nerdlove a good Red Pill alternative?Can anyone post some examples of some of his supposedly terrible advice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/17 07:42 PM |
| 3 | Do most guys really prefer 18 year old women over mid 20s women?I don't think celebrities are a particularly good way to test this. I'd try do something like filter for age on Tinder and pick out random girls from there. My own impression from Tinder (as least as far as looks go) is that 18-year-olds are rather hit-or-miss. Some look as hot as they'll ever get, but others look like little girls. It's sort of the opposite as they get older: 30-year-olds consist of women who look as hot as they've ever been, as well as women who are prematurely ageing. There's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/17 08:01 PM |
| 3 | Q4Women: Is the Red Pill really that bad?Largely because the objectionable parts are mostly mutually exclusive from what's causing the better results. No-one really objects to "lift and be confident", but those are major reasons TRP "works". Thinking that "women are children" doesn't help, but unless you shout it from the rooftops it's not likely to be an immediate deal-breaker. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/17 04:23 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Incels really just need to smoke some weed or something.Or maybe they could try meditating. Afterall, the happiest guy in the world is a Buddhist monk. I don't exactly think he's hitting dive bars trying to get laid for some reason. I do feel that a lot of the advice ITT which basically amounts to "you should try to live a stereotypical frat bro party lifestyle" is pretty bad advice, though. Like maybe it's fine for specifically maximising your sexual success, but I think that "maximising sexual success" is likely to be a misguided goal to begin with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/17 05:46 AM |
| 1 | /u/BiggerDthanYou is a stupid motherfucker and perhaps the most toxic personality on this subreddit. Click here to find out why.Although I often agree with his points, I do think he's often unnecessarily condescending. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/17 08:11 PM |
| 2 | CMV: women cannot see sub 8 males as sexual beingsIt's pretty much the same for both sexes. There just aren't that many promiscuous people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/17 09:18 AM |
| 1 | Is it dehumanizing to call a woman a "female"?I think that's a big part of the issue. "18-year-old woman" just sounds weird outside of formal contexts, and "40-year-old girl" sounds condescending outside of very informal contexts (like "a girl's night out". It can be a bit tricky to try to describe 20-something women in a semi-informal context. "What did that girl say?" could come across as infantalising, while "What did that woman say?" could make her feel old. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 12:05 AM |
| 1 | Who else thinks that the whole "looks don't matter" dictum is just a ploy to lure in Beta providers?I don't believe that anyone who says "looks don't matter" is saying it absolutely categorically, like "all else equal, I would be totally indifferent between Ryan Gosling and the Elephant Man". I think it's more like "Looks are a low enough priority to me that I would be open to dating men who vary widely in conventional attractiveness". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/17 11:37 PM |
| 2 | CMV Given the recent events in Vegas, we need to immediately halt the immigration of white men into the US and ban white men from owning guns until we figure out what the hell is going on.Those are the ones we've caught. They're criminals. They're rapists. I propose a ban of all men coming into public spaces until we can figure out what the hell is going on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/17 08:56 AM |
| 1 | CMV Given the recent events in Vegas, we need to immediately halt the immigration of white men into the US and ban white men from owning guns until we figure out what the hell is going on.Men (at least) are not a majority, yet commit the vast majority of violent crime. Why aren't the leaders of the male community calling out radical male extremism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/17 12:54 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?So no matter how many times you say "No", if you don't physically resist, it's not rape? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/17 05:28 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?So how would you apply this to a legal standard? You have to fight back for your lack of consent to count? If a mugger is pointing a gun to your head, you should "fight, yell, run, grab a weapon"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/10/17 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?There's a time and place for tactfully discussing personal safety, and it's not when the person is lying gravely injured in the hospital bed. If the first thing you want to do to such a person is wag your finger at how they could have done things differently, you're an uncompassionate asshole. (And undoubtedly, they'd have no problems coming up with those thoughts themselves). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 09:08 PM |
| 10 | Q4RP: Do you agree with this gilded TRP post in which a TRPer tells a rape victim that she should be happy that it happened and that it was merely LMR?"BOTH SIDES". One side was perhaps a little foolish. The other side commited rape. To say that "both sides are to blame" is to ignore that one side's "fault" is far greater than the other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 08:49 PM |
| 1 | CMV: You need (1) high-quality friends and (2) immersion in a high-quality social life in order to develop yourself in a way that makes you attractive to the opposite sex."I'm sorry, we've been best friends since kindergarten, but you're insufficiently good-looking and successful enough to be classified as High Quality. I'm going to start hanging out at the yacht club instead." Other than "supportive" (and maybe "mentally healthy), none of your listed traits really correlate with being good at friendship. They sound more like superficial "networking" traits that you're prioritising solely for their ability to connect you with women. It might help you get laid, bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 06:03 PM |
| 3 | General Pill Discussion Post: What are some of your personal "Red Pill" or "Blue Pill" hypotheses that you believe to be true, yet don't have explicit, scientific evidence to back up?I think a majority of aspiring PUA/player types aren't really all that into sex for the pleasure for it, they're primarily trying to "prove themselves" or "make up for lost time" or whatever. (This probably doesn't apply as much for "naturals"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/17 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What will be the effect on intersexual dynamics/trends/markets if the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in America over the coming decades?Why would this happen in the future when it's not happening now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/17 07:22 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Partner-count isn't the issue, the issue is whether they are a chooser or notYup. TRP glorifies casual sex for men, so they like to perpetuate the idea that having lots of casual sex is restricted to James Bond types, so they can feel like James Bond themselves when they get laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/17 11:53 PM |
| 1 | If drunk sex becomes taboo, will this harm hookup culture and nightlife entertainments?You should be able to provide a shred of proof about who women actually sleep with, then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/17 04:50 AM |
| 1 | If drunk sex becomes taboo, will this harm hookup culture and nightlife entertainments?Ah yes, SNL, the gold standard of scientific studies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/17 02:30 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.Many responses are focusing on the age part of the equation, but that's just one part. An extroverted 18-year-old musician/English major will often do well with women even if he's not very good-looking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/17 12:13 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.It doesn't change the underlying point that being judged on height isn't an overall disadvantage for men. It's a bonus for tall men and a drawback for short men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 05:59 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.It may have been easier for them specifically. They could have been similar to 'Person A' in my post, i.e. have traits that are disadvantages for men but not so much for women. Would Donald Trump find dating easier with a sex change? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 05:55 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.So are you agreeing with me? (At least so far as: the demographics of your environment matter). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 04:01 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.I actually had you in mind when writing this post and was wondering how you'd respond (maybe to say "hey, I was like girl #1 but didn't get dates!") | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 03:54 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.For the sake of a good argument, we have to factor in height. This doesn't inherently favour women. Short women have a relative advantage over short men, but the flip-side is that tall men have a relative advantage over tall women. (Tall women aren't necessarily unattractive, but they don't get usually a bonus for being tall). I agree with this. However, where do you think men have an advantage on the dating market age-wise, personality-wise and life-circumstances-wise? Do you think many of us r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 03:46 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Women *do* likely have a dating market advantage... in typical Redditor demographics. However, overall, it's pretty even.But she would have to be pretty stupid to want to help raise another woman's kids More so than the gender-flipped scenario? I would say Reddit as being filled with young men will show the worst of male dating. But although it gets easier for men with age I would never say it gets to be the easiest Bear in mind it's not just age that's relevant. It's personality, status, life circumstances and other such factors that male Redditors tend to be disadvantaged in. Young, funny, extroverted guys who k… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/17 03:16 AM |
| 6 | Are you actually an average guy?That's part of what's happening, in a way. Blemishes blur into smooth-looking skin on average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 09:47 PM |
| 21 | Are you actually an average guy?Do note that it's been widely observed that compositions of "average" faces tend to nonetheless appear above-average in attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/08/17 08:35 PM |
| 2 | Which sex has it easier?They're willing to stick their dick in said women and never see them again, sure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 08:37 PM |
| 2 | Do women expect too much from men?There are a small number of women (and men, too) with unrealistic standards. These women tend to stay in the dating market longer than women with realistic standards, making them seem like a larger share of the population from the perspective of men in the dating market. They also sometimes write articles that get shared around the manosphere because it supports the latter's preconceptions. The result: manospherians tend to significantly overestimate how many women have unrealistic standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 10:21 PM |
| 2 | Why Do Posters Here Think Men Have Low Expectations?I think it goes both ways to some extent. OP's social group is probably not overly representative of the entire population - but this goes for everyone. (In fact, due to the friendship paradox, the typical person's friends will have more friends than them on average). It's probably not the case that they're all top 10% "Chads", though, especially in looks. They're likely above average in social skills and possibly status, though (if for no other reason than the reverse friendship paradox - by de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 10:02 PM |
| 1 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillThat question is "would you date a vocal racist?" while it shows that there's a lot of subconscious racial bias in OkCupid users. Interesting, but distinct from outright lying. There is indeed evidence that people lie about their number of sexual partners. For instance, a study showed that men and women change their answers if they think they're being hooked up to a lie detector. But the magnitude of the effect just isn't that large. It's about an average of 1 partner difference. For the 80/20 r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 04:00 AM |
| 0 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillIt takes a lot of assumptions to go from "women are somewhat more picky than men in online dating" to "20% of men are fucking 80% of the women". Whereas all you need to assume to disprove the latter is that people aren't lying to an unprecedented degree on a anonymous scientific survey. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/17 02:35 AM |
| 0 | Society Would Not Function Without The BluepillNone of this actually measures what you're claiming, i.e. that 20% of men are having sex with 80% of women. It's at best suggestive of something like that, but it's also entirely consistent with many other stories, like women looking for compatibility and a lot of men messaging women they'd never date on the off chance she was DTF. According to research that actually looks at human sexual activity, there is no 80/20 rule. The distribution of sexual partners is roughly the same for both men and w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/17 10:53 PM |
| 0 | Q4all: How true do you think the statement "it's only creepy if they are unattractive" is?I think unattractive people are more likely to behave in creepy ways, because unattractiveness correlates with lack of social skills, particularly when it takes the form of poor hygiene/grooming. That said, there likely is a pure halo effect, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/17 08:07 AM |
| 3 | How many feminists here believe that polygyny and harems will result from sexual freedom?Only in the fundamentalist offshoots, not the modern LDS church. And every case of polygynous communities involves fundamentalist religion/cults. The women aren't exactly choosing to marry "alphas" of their own free will due to "feminist liberation". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 02:32 AM |
| 2 | How many feminists here believe that polygyny and harems will result from sexual freedom?Those women are usually dating multiple men who are themselves dating multiple women. An "alpha" with an exclusive harem is rare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 12:42 AM |
| 20 | How many feminists here believe that polygyny and harems will result from sexual freedom?Sexual freedom already more-or-less exists for women, and there isn't widespread polygyny (contrary to paranoid unsupported views of Chad). Most women would in fact prefer marriage to a so-called "beta" to being the fuck-buddy of a smirking "alpha" with large biceps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Why are "nice guys" that complain about assholes considered a meme...Really? There are a lot of bitter gamer hermits with superiority complexes out there, if some certain subreddits are any indication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 02:02 AM |
| 2 | Are posters here living in two different worlds when it comes to the romantic success of the average man ?The latter are almost always well-below average (in social skills if not necessarily looks) and project their failures over men as a whole. The former isn't necessarily trying to show that "looks don't matter!", but merely to show counter-examples to the extreme beliefs of the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/17 05:05 AM |
| 3 | Q4M: How has your level of sociability affected your over QoL and/or love life?I agree that being social will help a man's romantic prospects. But I also think it's not necessarily something that is easily changeable. I used to be of the mindset that I needed to "improve my social skills" and "be more social". So I did those things, but I still could never really enjoy most social occasions. If you're a natural extrovert with mainstream interests, it's going to be a lot easier for you to socialise than if you're a natural introvert with obscure, solitary interests. Even if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 10:50 PM |
| 5 | Is the world of dating and hookups as bleak as many "pill" communities make it out to be?Even if you didn't lose your job in the recession, things still weren't peachy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 11:02 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: Do women have more fun in life than men? Does it depend on SMV? Does it depend on age?I get the impression from threads like these that a lot of you seem to think a life of endless partying and hedonism would be the ideal. That's not what psychological research shows. Having close relationships and engaging in meaningful work that benefits others is generally better for long-term satisfaction than the frat or sorority-esque lives that seem so pedestalised here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 02:04 AM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: Do women have more fun in life than men? Does it depend on SMV? Does it depend on age?It's the gender-flipped version of that RP favourite, the "apex fallacy". Emilia Clarke is a top <0.1% woman in looks, status, etc. Even relatively normal-seeming "hot sorority girls" are top 5% or so, taking into account looks, youth and financial privilege. A 45-year-old working-class divorced mother-of-three is going to have a completely different experience to either of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/17 01:38 AM |
| 2 | In the future, there need only be two types of humans: Women and AlphasRaising kids in marriage vs. being a childless playboy. Who's better at passing down their genes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/17 08:50 PM |
| -1 | In the future, there need only be two types of humans: Women and AlphasThis. They're both caricatures that are collectively a good description of a small minority of the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/17 08:38 PM |
| 2 | In the future, there need only be two types of humans: Women and AlphasIntelligence is highly genetic, and these stereotypical alphas often seem to be dumb as rocks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/17 08:35 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Rising sexual inequality among males could have disastrous political and social consequences for Western societies.Your second "Tinder study" comes from an anonymous poster on a random website who claims to be a "student in sexology". The whole thing also sounds weird and unscientific. I see no reason to give it more credence than any other anonymous unsourced anecdote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/17 11:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Rising sexual inequality among males could have disastrous political and social consequences for Western societies.The "source" is an anonymous poster on a random website who claims to be a "student in sexology". The whole post also sounds weird and unscientific. We usually see RPers disregard scientific surveys of sexual behaviour that show that few women are slutty because they're "self-reported." This "study" is also self-reported, restricted to an unrepresentative app, and probably isn't even real, but where's the skepticism? Confirmation bias is obvious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/17 10:49 PM |
| 1 | Bots have the typical millennial generation dating profile down to a T. Means it must be the vast majority now.OP's experience seems just as easily explainable by straight-up copying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/17 03:31 AM |
| 1 | Bots have the typical millennial generation dating profile down to a T. Means it must be the vast majority now.My impression is that a lot of Tinder bots profiles are just straight up copied from other profiles. That's why there's obviously wrong stuff like the name and age not matching up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/17 03:05 AM |
| 4 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?Maybe you have a baby face. In a few years, you should start looking more "manly". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 10:33 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: What common things that are said on this sub make you sad?High school is not an alien world with zero correlation to our own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/17 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Blind Date TestPeople aren't that insular. There may be some skew, but you're vastly exaggerating it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 04:26 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: How do you determine what your league is?There's no secret method, it can be kind of random as to what a girl's type is. Although there are probably some social circles where you'd fit in better than others and be more like to be the "type" of some of the girls there. And just sheer numbers game (without seeming like you're hitting on everyone) will increase your odds. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/17 02:14 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Do women not understand how hard it is for an average guy to get laid?Could you find some actual quotes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 05:21 AM |
| 1 | What civilizations were destroyed by females?I think it's a reference to the historical consensus that the "George Washington cut down a cherry tree" story was apocryphal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:31 AM |
| 10 | Q4ALL: Do women not understand how hard it is for an average guy to get laid?I don't recall anyone ever saying that average guys can "get laid" easily in the sense of having no problem with arranging NSA hookups. Most average guys can get laid easily if they're willing to engage in the type of sexual activity most women actually want, e.g. relationships, or sometimes FWBs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: How do you determine what your league is?The problem is that you seem to think dating is some kind of pure "league-matching" game. Like any girl in or below your "league" must automatically want to date you, and if you manage to date a girl "out of your league" there must be something weird going on. In reality, male attractiveness to women is quite subjective. You might be a 3 to some women and a 7 to others, and that's not even getting into non-physical characteristics. To your high school girlfriend, you might have a been a cute, ch… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 03:41 AM |
| 2 | CMV: A heterosexual man being promiscuous is more indicative of his preferences than his attractivenessAnd Tinder isn't even as much of a hookup app as its reputation would suggest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/17 03:15 AM |
| 2 | How "angry" or "hateful" is /r/TheBluePill? An analysis of over 100 TBP commentsThe problem with your analysis is that it assumes "hatefulness" is just a matter of tone. You can certainly make very hateful statements in an unemotive and "logical" way, and someone else could be justifiably righteously indignant about it. That said, I do find some of the material in TBP a bit uncomfortable, especially some of the incel stuff. Yeah, incels may say some horrible things, but most of them are pretty clearly depressed and perhaps mentally ill in other ways. It'd be a bit like maki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/17 02:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women have the power in both sex and relationships.How many men dream of fairytale weddings or go "baby crazy"? The markers of commitment are certainly more desired by women than men. I think that women seeking a serious relationship may appear to have more options than men, but it's mostly because she'll encounter a lot of men who just want to fuck her with no intention of ever getting serious. This isn't a privilege for said women, because it worsens the signal-to-noise ratio and means she'll have to screen through a lot of men to find a genui… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/17 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: Do you guys know any people who are STUNNINGLY good-looking but have serious mental disorders or serious social difficulties or both?There is the factor that peak attractiveness often requires a lot of effort that mental illness can inhibit. Like for instance, a guy too depressed to ever get out of bed isn't going to have ribbed abs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/17 10:22 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most of the time a guy is called creepy he is making a bold move on a girl way out of his leagueI think one factor is that hitting on women way out of your league probably correlates with a lack of self-awareness that shows up in other ways which often seem "creepy". Like for a clichéd example, a guy who thinks his neckbeard and fedora makes him hot is probably going to be weird in ways beyond strictly how he looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/17 10:16 AM |
| 8 | CMV: Men do not "project their sexuality" onto women. Women are just as sexual, visual, visceral, and physically lustful towards men the same way men are towards women.There are a minority of women who are like this. When one of them hooks up with Chad, you think it's because all women will hook up with Chad, but in reality it's usually because Chad just filtered for a slut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 05:39 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: What should a young man do if he wants lots of casual sex, with no commitment?This was basically what I decided. I think there are a lot of introverted guys who would way happier just trying to find a like-minded girlfriend, but instead they're forcing themselves to do a bunch of stuff they dislike because they're been convinced that they need to be a super-social promiscuous partier to be happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 11:01 PM |
| 1 | How common is it for women to sacrifice buying things they need to spend money on their appearance?Given you live in the Southern Hemisphere, you probably aren't somewhere with an especially cold winter (for those who associate winter with like -20C weather). In high school, I and many other boys wore shorts throughout winter (granted, we had long socks and it was to avoid buying a winter uniform that also required wearing a tie, but still). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 10:44 PM |
| 2 | Does the SMP make men cold-hearted?You can believe their specific experiences as it pertains to them. But I wouldn't, for instance, believe a woman who said "all men are violent abusers". That's obviously wrong, even if may have unfortunately been the case in her life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Are you satisfied dating within your league?I think he might have just been trolling the whole time. He'd occasionally come out with rather BP views. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 10:13 PM |
| 1 | I've asked this twice on TRP and not received a single response: Which parts of TRP are you less sure are true, or do you think are flat out wrong?Although I think you probably underestimate the effects of lifting, I do think its opportunity cost is underestimated in these parts. Your typical shy nerd who stumbles upon TRP shouldn't make lifting their first priority, it just takes way too long to have any noticeable effect and is easy to quit for that reason. A quick style makeover, an improved Tinder profile and a bid to be more outgoing are all much lower-hanging fruit. For those who have done that and still want more, they should by all… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/17 10:03 PM |
| 2 | N-CountAre you the same poster whose flair used to be "0/10 virgin" and/or "HB4 virgin"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/17 08:55 PM |
| 3 | A large part of the current frustrations of men and women are from the inflated sense of self-worth of womenThere are still fewer men now in Russia (but alcoholism and other factors are more to blame). They take advantage of it by being abusive dicks to women. Yay! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 10:33 PM |
| 1 | How big a difference does class make for relationships, marriage and risk of divorce? (article from The Economist)By no means all, but Reddit's demographics skew pretty heavily towards roughly college age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Would women be attracted to men if all men are equal?It's one louder! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 11:33 PM |
| 2 | How do women benefit from promiscuous culture? Does it help them get their own Chad?I think for most of those guys it's not really about sex at all, it's about validation and "proving themselves". They were once (mostly) self-perceived "loser virgins" who envied "players". They go on TRP and read that "alpha males" are the only ones having casual sex with lots of women. So if you have casual sex with lots of women - you must be an "alpha!" See also my posts: Men who envy/idolise “players” are like starving people who envy gluttons TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 11:05 PM |
| 1 | Without using prostitutes, what percentage of single men do you think could go out and find a woman to have consensual sex with tonight?No, it's more that we don't think the inability to guarantee casual sex with complete strangers is an injustice for the ages. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What proportion of men are women actually attracted to, and is it true that there would be a profound change in society if men knew the truth about how few men women are attracted to?Women swiping on 14% of male users doesn't mean they're swiping on exclusively the same 14% (to the extent Tinder really indicate that much about the whole population). And I have no idea why "conversations often fizzle out" is supposed to be 80/20 evidence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 10:01 PM |
| 4 | Life while in a relationship?I do think there are a sizable number of quasi-gold diggers out there, although they tend not to post on Reddit. However, they're not as ubiquitous as some bitter guys would make them out to be. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 09:10 PM |
| 2 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (18 June 2017)AskReddit: What is socially accepted when you are beautiful, but not when you are ugly? Very relevant to our interests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 09:06 PM |
| 4 | Women who are entitled to a 'good man.'Yeah, this sub is ridiculously focused on outliers. You'd think the majority of men were either alpha players or incels, and the majority of women are fat feminists who keep getting pumped and dumped by alphas and then writing articles bemoaning where all the good men have gone. In reality, the vast majority of people do okay in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/17 10:31 PM |
| 0 | Why is everyone here obsessed with intercourse? Let's debate emotional attachment and consequences.CASUAL SEX IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/17 04:22 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women are scared of TRP because if men wake up to the reality of how badly men are getting screwed then life won't be on easy mode for women anymore.Yep, that man's even in the White House now! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 08:58 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Women are scared of TRP because if men wake up to the reality of how badly men are getting screwed then life won't be on easy mode for women anymore.How much do you think women earn thesedays? This isn't the 1950s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 11:39 AM |
| 12 | CMV: Women are scared of TRP because if men wake up to the reality of how badly men are getting screwed then life won't be on easy mode for women anymore.Maybe with a 0.1%er. And most of those men tend to get married to peers of similar ambitious and/or high-class old money women, not gold diggers. Percentage wise, "marry rich" for women probably works about as well as "play professional sports" does for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 09:37 AM |
| 32 | CMV: Women are scared of TRP because if men wake up to the reality of how badly men are getting screwed then life won't be on easy mode for women anymore.a girl with good game can live her whole life doing fuck all and amass more wealth than a dude cranks out at the corporate ladder This is laughable. If she's young and attractive, maybe she can snag a much older rich man who she's not attracted to, and then get divorced 10 years later when he leaves her for the next gold digger. She'd then be lucky to get much out of the pre-nup. Very few women are capable of and interested in this strategy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 12:11 AM |
| 1 | [CMV] This Chad/lookism shit is so much worse than BP ever wasBuddhist monks seen to have it figured out. Do you think the Dalai Lama cares about his SMV? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/17 08:46 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Most alleged cases of women’s hypocrisy arise from men confusing the behaviours of distinctly different womenWell the girl in your example didn't really give any advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/17 10:57 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Most alleged cases of women’s hypocrisy arise from men confusing the behaviours of distinctly different womenI keep hearing this "we're just comparing notes" description of TRP. The problem is that the "notes" inherently tend towards confirmation bias. Men with experiences that don't match up with the pre-existing RP narrative either don't post or get downvoted. It could well be that only 1% of women display archetypal "AWALT" characteristics, but that's still 70 million women worldwide. It's easy to how imagine how a couple of hundred thousand men got burned by one or two of them, and then unreasonabl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/17 10:56 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most alleged cases of women’s hypocrisy arise from men confusing the behaviours of distinctly different womenI recognise that. But I still think it highlights a generally true concept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/17 10:39 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Most alleged cases of women’s hypocrisy arise from men confusing the behaviours of distinctly different womenIf that guy had read my post, maybe he'd understand the problem of taking a sample size of one (probably unrepresentative) woman and extrapolating it to all women. He should also realise that close friends are often uncomfortable stating harsh truths. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/17 10:05 AM |
| 1 | Are Women's Demands for Male Beauty Reasonable?Is every thread going to be about Chad-worship now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/17 11:53 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: What do you think someone who’s maxed himself out and still isn’t getting any attention from women is doing wrong?A dozen watches? That sounds a bit... weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/17 08:55 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: Rate the following men based on how attractive they are to womenAren't professional athletes in pretty much all major sports attractive to a sizable number of women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/17 08:29 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Blue pill" advice works fine for most people.When you talk about how a guy in the "bottom 30%" "weilds his katana in the basement", this immediately makes you think you have a really skewed idea of the male population. Well, to be fair to me.... thats more just inserting a bit of humour in there. And that katana is also a stand in for a lot of fun hobbies that chicks just don't particularly find attractive. D&D, Video Games, etc etc. In my case, as a teen, this was tabletop gaming. It was a lot of fun, and I played with my mates, but thats… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/17 09:50 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Blue pill" advice works fine for most people.It's totally unremarkable. It's statistically below average, sure, but so are tons of things that everyone sees as "normal". You're below average in age, but no-one is shocked to see young people walking around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/17 08:43 AM |
| 5 | Q4ALL: By your estimate, what percentage of marriages are happy and full of sex, and how many consist of unhappy people who "settled"?But it is apples-to-apples - in each case, they're looking at rates of reaching the 15th anniversary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/17 05:44 AM |
| 0 | CMV: "Blue pill" advice works fine for most people.I think this is a really bad attitude to have about sex (and life in general). Sex is not a race to have achieved as quickly as possible. And even then, you're still a teenager - being a virgin is absolutely normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/17 04:49 AM |
| 5 | CMV: "Blue pill" advice works fine for most people.When you talk about how a guy in the "bottom 30%" "weilds his katana in the basement", this immediately makes you think you have a really skewed idea of the male population. The guys you're talking about are empathetically not 30th percentile. The 30th percentile for age of virginity loss in men is about 18-19. That's not neckbeard territory, that's "normal but slightly shy guy coming out of his shell with women in college". "Be yourself" would have been perfectly adequate advice for him. "Just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/17 11:56 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The easiest way for men (or women!) to get hotter is to lift and eat rightThere's nothing wrong with his face. With a better haircut, better clothes and more interesting pictures, he could easily pull off a skinny hipster vibe that would serve him better than he looks there. Would he be even better off if he did all those things and lifted? Sure. But the effort/reward ratio significantly favours the former activities, at least from a low baseline. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/17 12:11 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The easiest way for men (or women!) to get hotter is to lift and eat rightMy argument While lifting isn't bad, and is a logical step for people who want to maximise their attractiveness, I think it's almost certainly not the lowest hanging fruit for most people. Take this guy's Tinder profile that I reference in my thread. He complained about getting few matches. I bet within a day he could get massively improve his success with improved style and better photos. There's no way you get results that quickly with lifting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/17 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (28 May 2017)Uhhh (besides gay couples), doesn't every divorce result in one woman and one man divorcing? Or is that about who initiates the divorce? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 12:06 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Besides "love" why would a man get married (in the USA)?LOVE IS IRRATIONAL | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/17 08:03 AM |
| 6 | What does a typical single man's sex life look like? An analysisWhile that may be true, if you were to enquire the RPers further and ask them about what they thought the average single woman's sex life looks like, they'd probably say something like "The average single woman is riding the cock carousel, having regular sex with a small number of alpha males". And the study you cite, as well as others, shows this to be decidedly not the case. It's hard for men to get casual sex because women are by-and-large not interested in casual sex, not because women are a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/17 05:38 AM |
| 15 | Online Dating Challenge For PPD WomenI fit your criteria and don't have any problem getting matches on Tinder (although maybe I have an above average face). I do have good pictures and a witty profile. Anyway, I think most of the complaints about online dating are from average-looking guys with crap profiles, especially those who want casual hookups. There are different metrics to male and female success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/17 07:23 AM |
| 6 | The Average Man **Could** Have Sex with Two Women per MonthHe may not be average any more if you're classifying "average" by n-count (but that's tautological). What OP is getting at is that it doesn't require above-average sexual attractiveness or "self-improvement" to get laid a lot. It can just be a matter of priorities. Similarly, you don't have to be rich to buy a Ferrari. Anyone with a decent middle class income who's willing to live well below their means in many other areas could save up and buy one. But buying that Ferrari would not suddenly mak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/17 08:54 PM |
| 6 | CMV Redpill theories are unsupported by science and the only "evidence" RPers can come up with for their theories are anecdotes, stereotypes/projection, and hurt feelings.The most objectionable parts of TRP are mostly the parts that have the least to do with "sexual strategy", like their descriptions of how women supposedly act. This is something that really does have scientific evidence behind it, but RPers usually try to hide behind excuses such as yours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/17 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: what's up with all the heavily upvoted posts on Reddit saying they get zero tinder matchesIn addition to Reddit's demographics skewing unattractive/not good at presenting themselves, I think Reddit topics about dating skew towards those frustrated by it to an even greater degree. It's a bit like how one-star reviews will often outnumber higher ratings, because the people who have a bad experience are more motivated to go online to talk about it than those with mediocre experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/17 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Does female hypergamy get stronger in the cities? Has it gotten out of control?I got the most matches in Asia, as expected. In the US, Boston stood out as a place where I got a lot of matches, Miami as a place I got very few. But I'd also try out random unimportant cities like St John's, Canada and get a lot of matches there too. It's kind of hard to be scientific about it, because my profile could have been shown at different levels in different cities due to the vaguries of the Tinder algorithm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 10:25 PM |
| 2 | Does female hypergamy get stronger in the cities? Has it gotten out of control?I've experimented with swiping girls on Tinder in dozens of cities around the world (including NYC), and despite reading probably thousands of profiles, I don't think I've ever seen one with a laundry list of high standards. Even the supposedly ubiquitous "must be 6ft+" is pretty rare. Granted, they could have unwritten high standards, particularly on a place like Tinder that doesn't put as much of an emphasis on the profile. But still, I strongly suspect that the meme of "women have such CRAZY … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 04:42 AM |
| 1 | Most men are aware of TRP ideas, they just don't careThey may be envious of the sex, but I don't think they're particularly envious of guys who have to work super hard for it. In a similar vein, you might be envious of someone's expensive car, but not of a person who works 80 hours a week for minimum wage to afford it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 10:25 PM |
| 3 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, what do you make of this Tinder experiment where the guy set up an account using pics of a male model? And how would YOU respond in this situation?These "experiments" are commonly cited to show that "all women are sluts for Chad". The way I look at it, even though the experimenter had plenty of opportunities to cherrypick, he still didn't get that many girls willing to hook up right away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Most men are aware of TRP ideas, they just don't careIn some cases it could be, especially if the guy is starting out at neckbeard-levels of attractiveness and social skills. But I think the idea that average dudes are envious of guys who spend most of their time trying to get laid is wishful thinking on behalf of the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 10:02 PM |
| 6 | Most men are aware of TRP ideas, they just don't careI think it's frequently a rational calculation. Optimising your attractiveness and gaming women can take a LOT of time, often in ways that aren't especially enjoyable for a lot of men. And they may not even like casual sex anyway. It seems hardly worth it to spend dozens of hours on stuff you don't like to maybe get a few minutes of something that you might sort of like. Especially if you could get a girlfriend anyway. The calculus is different for guys whose perceived self-worth is strongly con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 10:34 AM |
| 5 | Red Pillers are entitled to have private lives and to serve in political office regardless of private positions they take at r/theredpill.Clinton was impeached by the House. Trump's sex scandals have more-or-less been forgotten about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 01:11 AM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Do you imagine designer babies and genetic alteration changing the future of the sexual marketplace?"I only get wet at the 82nd percentile or better. 81st just doesn't do it for me". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 09:00 PM |
| 3 | Red Pillers are entitled to have private lives and to serve in political office regardless of private positions they take at r/theredpill.Quite a few Republican politicians have survived sex scandals. Trump is an obvious one, but there's also Scott DesJarlais, a TN Congressman who won re-election despite taped evidence that he pressured his mistress for an abortion, or David Vitter, who won re-election to the Senate despite admitting seeing prostitutes (although it came back to bite him in the gubernatorial race in 2015). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 08:45 PM |
| 1 | CMV - Physical Fitness > AllMy point was more that places like TRP that say "LIFT LIFT LIFT" can result in guys that never even realise they're missing out on low hanging fruit, because they weren't really told to look for it. Also, someone who would be content on modestly improved dating success (without caring about achieving the maximum) could rationally decide that picking off their own low-hanging fruit would be sufficient. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 11:34 AM |
| 2 | CMV - Physical Fitness > AllYeah, I've made a thread about this. Basically my point was that although lifting is good if you want to maximise your appearance, it's almost certainly not the lowest hanging fruit for the typical clueless nerd. An overemphasis on lifting could cause guys to miss out on opportunities to improve their dating success that are orders of magnitude more efficient on the margin. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 10:57 AM |
| 1 | Why do some men date women that are less atractive?Why does anyone ever do anything with their life other than optimise for the most sexually attractive partner? 😵 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/17 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Will a guy ever have as much access or opportunities with attractive and single women after college?Are you actually instrinsically interested in partying, or (as your username indicates) is it just "fear of missing out?" I used to have the same worries as you do. But I realised (after failing to enjoy a number of parties) that partying just isn't really my thing. It never was, but if only I hadn't got my head wrapped up in the idea that it's an "essential" part of my "life script", I might have started thinking about trying to do the things that made me happy years earlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 03:47 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do you know any women that life a luxury lifestyle paid by sugar daddies?Basic economics tells us that if a job pays really well and has few barriers to entry, it almost certainly has significant negatives that deter lots of people. (If it didn't, many more people would start doing it and the increase in supply would make it pay less). In the case of sex work, it's stigmatised, potentially illegal or dangerous, unpleasant for many, can significantly negatively affect personal relationships (e.g. makes dating harder) and is an inherently short-term career with few tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 11:54 PM |
| 2 | What is the reason for pretty girls having a low self esteem?BUT ISN'T ABILITY TO GET SEX THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 08:53 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Men need women more than women need men.Men want sex more, but women want romance/commitment/children more. Who spends more time fantasising about dream weddings, men or women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 12:05 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Men need women more than women need men.Most of what you're describing is sex-orientated. Romance, marriage and children are women-dominated obsessions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/17 11:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men a subject to a much harsher beauty standard, but women would have us believe otherwiseThe standards for men to be "acceptable" are a lot lower than women's. A guy can do nothing but basic hygiene and grooming and he might not stand out, but he probably won't struggle with dating for that alone. Whereas a woman who does that will probably look like a dowdy spinster. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/17 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Men of PPD, what advice do you wish you'd gotten as a child that would've made your life a lot better?YOU MUST BECOME CHAD | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/17 02:46 AM |
| 3 | Commenter on MensLib explains why custody in court often goes to the primary caregiver.I think you're too optimistic about the effects of advocacy groups if you think year-old Reddit communities of 20k subscribers should be significantly affecting society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 09:49 PM |
| 8 | Q4Men: If you suddenly got a lot more attention from women, but the increase was solely from women who wanted a one-sided platonic friendship, would you consider this a privilege or nuisance?In case it's not obvious, the underlying idea is: the observation that women get more attention than men in dating (particularly online dating) is hardly a privilege for most women. Much of it is from men who want casual sex, ranging from an anonymous instant hookup to a regular fuckbuddy. If you're a woman who wants that, that's good for you, but if (like most women) you're looking for a genuine relationship, all it does is worsen the signal: noise ratio of your suitors. Whereas if you're a man… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/17 05:12 AM |
| 1 | CMV: If an average man complains that women care too much about looks he most likely has a shitty personality.They make getting casual sex or getting admired for your looks harder for a guy. But women are still very interested in men, just just not usually in the same way men are for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/17 11:09 AM |
| 1 | Red Pillers, how do you explain Serena Williams going from dating Drake to marrying the co-founder of Reddit?Maybe they actually like each other. I know, hot take here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/17 01:21 AM |
| 1 | Why is talking about vaginal aesthetics considered so deeply offensive while talking about penis aesthetics is considered totally okay?Like most so-called "double standards", I think you're talking about comments made by more-or-less completely different people. The woman who get super upset over discussions of vaginal aesthetics are probably not also the types to gleefully discuss their penis preferences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/17 04:01 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Listening to women about their preferences or dating advice and trying to figure out how they experience anything is useless.Better rule: don't rely on biased, anecdotal evidence. That includes what women say, but also a lot of "what women do" also falls into this category. "What women do is... fuck Chads raw in the club bathroom, hit the wall then deadroom a beta bucks!" Yeah, I'm curious as to how scientific your study was there... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 09:53 PM |
| 1 | PPD User "Tag Lines", What's Yours?So long as you recognise that you're an outlier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 11:24 PM |
| 1 | PPD User "Tag Lines", What's Yours?Stop obsessing over outliers. (And yes, even the so-called "average beta male" is an outlier in the real world). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 10:04 PM |
| 2 | CMV: It's better to be beautiful than smart in this world.We were talking of household names, and none of those Instagram models would qualify. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 09:51 PM |
| 3 | CMV: It's better to be beautiful than smart in this world.All of them have at least decent acting skills. There's no male equivalent to say, Kate Upton, whose fame derives solely from looking sexy while scantily clad. But even Kate Upton is an outlier - for every Upton there's a thousand other hot women who might get some upvotes on Reddit but are otherwise unknown, or never model in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 09:11 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: How real is the "Chad" phenomenon?Well, I wrote #4 and #5, and I think you haven't made it clear enough that #4 was my encapsulation of some RP views (not what a RPer said verbatim) and #5 is my refutation of that. Basically, I think there is a fallacy which goes something like "Chad can fuck many women. Therefore, Chad can fuck almost any woman". It's part of the broader "AWALT" fallacy, in which guys are unable to fully comprehend that women vary immensely, and it's easy to end up selecting strongly for certain types of them. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 09:03 PM |
| 3 | CMV: It's better to be beautiful than smart in this world.But the number of people widely famous for their looks is also very small. This is especially the case for men who try to go on looks alone. Indeed, I can't recall a single man in history who was a household name only for looks while not having some kind of other talent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 08:16 PM |
| 2 | CMV: It's better to be beautiful than smart in this world.Beauty is no more a guarantee of fame than intelligence is. Just being hot won't make you a supermodel or famous entertainer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/17 07:45 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP: Despite your disagreements with TRP, what truths/realities do you credit TRP for exposing for you?They don't just think that Chad is a successful player, they also think that nearly every woman has fucked one or more "Chads", and if you're the "beta" she marries she'll keep fantasising about Chad's 8" dick. In reality, most "players" are probably sharing the top ~10% most promiscuous women, while a lot of other women aren't interested in casual sex at all. But that doesn't fit with the RP narrative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/17 10:12 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: Why isn't there more realistic discussion of the "Wall" men face?While I think the "women hit the wall at 25 and men never got the wall" stuff some RPers say is absurd, I also some BPers go too far in the other direction. While men physically age similarly to women, youth and beauty is not as large a component of their overall attractiveness. A middle aged man (especially a successful one) likely has a much easier time marrying a woman ten years his junior than his female equivalent would for men. I also don't fully buy the idea that "if a woman marries a les… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/17 10:51 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)One man can easily impregnate many women, but one women cannot be simultaneously impregnated by many men. This has resulted in different evolutionary strategies for men and women. Men want to fuck as many women as possible, to spread their genes far and wide. Women, subconsciously understanding the oversupply of sperm, adapt by only being attracted to a small percentage of hot men. They want to pass on the best genes to their children. However, they often have to compromise on this by entering a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 11:50 PM |
| 3 | One other possible evolutionary reason why women aren't attracted to weak men.Ok, so what about men preferring young-looking submissive women? Couldn't that conflict with sexual interest in their own children? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 11:22 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)TRP is not merely a passive guide to how gender dynamics work. It is very much prescriptive. If you were to go there and say "I agree with TRP on how gender dynamics work, but I'm to defend myself against male sexual tactics", you're going to your post deleted or heavily downvoted. Why? Because everyone there understands it's a guide for men who want to get laid, and you're opposing that. (And no, I'm not going to get into debate how /r/TheRedPill or Red Pillers differ from "The Red Pill", which… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 11:18 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)I'm not saying "X doesn't exist". I'm saying "if X is immoral, guides to doing X are also immoral". Do you draw the line anywhere yourself? What do you think of the person who posts a guide on how to bash skulls in for sexual gratification? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)But TRP explicitly calls itself a sexual strategy guide for men. There's no way to weasel that it's merely a nonjudgmental anthropology guide or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 10:22 PM |
| 4 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)If there was a subreddit where people explained how to use hammers to bash skulls in for sexual gratification, hell yeah I'd call it immoral. I wouldn't give a shit about their lame-ass excuse that "We're not actually endorsing this, we're just describing how things are. Sexual strategy is amoral". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 09:57 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)But immorality is kind of a big deal. I'd be worried if you couldn't argue against psychological abuse for any other reason than it may not be totally effective. Yes, sometimes, unfortunately, it is highly effective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 09:08 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Is it true that female sexual hypergamy was constrained in the past, but now it has become unleashed, and now it threatens to lead to the breakdown of Western civilization?4chan is a tiny minority of the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/17 11:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Woman don't compartmentalize attraction/arousal and that leads to them giving bad advice to menIt's also possible that there are enough women who really like muscular guys that it seems like nearly every girl wants you, but it might just be going from (say) 2% of women being interested in you to 10%, and proportionally higher still for women who will be open about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/17 10:07 PM |
| 5 | Too old for clubbing and young girls at 32?Ah, fear of missing out, a feeling I'm all too familiar with. I think it's important to not put too much emphasis on a "life script" that in reality not that many people (especially by worldwide or historical standards) actually get to experience. If you were sitting on your death bed and all you could think about was "I wish I'd partied with 20 year old girls", I'd seriously question your perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/17 01:58 AM |
| 1 | It's hypocritical of women to force men to adhere to traditional gender roles while being unwilling to stick to theirsFew people have a problem if you have certain expectations of the women you date. Just don't be a vocal judgemental asshole about the women who don't meet your standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 12:15 PM |
| 2 | Does TRP recommend that men go to parties, bars, clubs, etc? why is there so little discussion of thisNot RP, but until recently I was convinced that I was "missing out" on the party/clubbing life, which supposedly everyone but me was engaging in and was the most awesome thing ever. I now realise it's just not my thing, and I'm now a bit resentful to the people behind the "YOU GOTTA PARTY OTHERWISE YOU'RE A LOSER" messages I read. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/17 09:13 AM |
| 4 | What's more common: men who like dominant women or women who like submissive guys?Women ONLY like gay fitness models who are also violent felons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/17 01:21 AM |
| 3 | Proof: Men have prefer average women over beautiful womenAlso, in theory (if not practice) in /r/rateme more upvotes isn't supposed to be = more hot. The second picture looks more like a girl who could be insecure about her looks, which is a recipe for more upvotes (because she'll need it more). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/17 01:18 AM |
| 4 | Q4RPMen: do you think women want sex for its own sake?Still, "thinking with your dick" is a much more widely used expression than "thinking with your balls". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/17 10:03 AM |
| 5 | Why is "Sigma male" so rarely discussed?Because in TRPland, "beta" usually means "timid, awkward nerd", which is a category that somehow nearly everyone who isn't Chad Thundercock falls into. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/17 09:06 PM |
| 17 | Q4all: who's your highest n count female friend? What is she like?THOUSAND COCK STARE | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/17 08:55 PM |
| 2 | QuestionForBP: Which parts of The Red Pill do you disagree with?I have yet to see any evidence that the 80/20 rule applies even in specific scenarios like those. Sure there might be a slight skew, but nothing like 80/20. To me, the concept serves as security for incel types ("it's not that there's anything wrong with me, no average guys get laid") and aspiration for RP types ("when I get to the top 20% I'm going to be drowning in so much pussy!") | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 09:14 PM |
| 5 | Here's a bunch of studies providing ample evidence to common Red Pill claims. Can't have a debate without evidence!I don't believe in the straw Blue Pill. I don't think that women all just want polite nice guys. Yes, sometimes, some women will cheat on their "beta" husband with an "alpha" guy! However, where many RPers go off the reservation is when they interpret these occasional instances to believe that virtually all women are CC-riding, dead-bedrooming immature whores. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 09:41 AM |
| 5 | Question for women: Why do so many women have a hard time wrapping their minds around the simple concept that many men simply find high n count women unattractive?If you said "I have nothing against short guys and I know it's irrational, but I just can't feel sexually attracted to them", most people would be accepting of that. If you instead said "I won't date a short guy, because they're disgusting and ScienceTM shows they have Napoleon Complexes", you'd get roundly criticised and the "science" disputed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/17 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Women's SMV simply has a much higher "start value"Men have a higher average demand for casual sex than women, take #6,523. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/17 10:33 PM |
| 2 | Reality television's 'The Bachelor' is a prime example of what it's like to be Chad ThundercockEven if it isn't staged, there's a big selection bias in the kinds of people who would sign up for such a show. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/17 01:50 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Feminists aren't the one's blowing chadIt's not a question of whether it's physically possible to party and be a feminist at the same time. It's a question of correlations. I also imagine the girls in the pictures are less likely than average to write fan fiction, even though there's nothing physically stopping them from doing so. Being a vocal feminist correlates with different personality types than being an avid partier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/17 09:09 PM |
| 3 | For everyone: do you consider red pill, MRAs, PUAs, incels, MGTOW, and the alt right to all be part of the same movement?A lot of RPers seem to me to be "former nice guys" who now think "what if I did the exact opposite?" All those complaints about society telling them to be "beta", when they were really describing nice-guyism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/17 07:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Older Women are Highly OverratedOKCupid, source of the divine 80/20 statistic, showing why older women are underrated, using statistics | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 09:06 PM |
| 2 | Players existing proves BP wrongOP and others are wayyy more obsessed with "Chad" than the women who are supposedly attracted to him are. It's just so self-defeating. It'd be like complaining there's no point in making money because Bill Gates could come along and outbid you for everything you want to buy. It's theoretically possible, but Gates doesn't really give a shit about what you're buying, and there are very few people as rich as Gates in the world anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 09:03 PM |
| 2 | Players existing proves BP wrongAlso, Henry Winkler is only 5'6". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 08:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The desperate hamstering in this /r/funny thread suggests that there's more redpill brainwashing in modern society, than blue.ALL WOMEN WANT CHAD. IF NOT CHAD, BETA BUX. THEREFORE, GUY MUST BE BETA BUX. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 08:52 PM |
| 3 | Whats your take on "looks theory" from lookism.net and sluthate.comLooks matter, but they're not a serious constraint on finding a relationship so long as you're willing to date within your league, unless you're bottom 1% or something and therefore your "league" is rather small. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 07:56 AM |
| 1 | Website calculates how narrow your dating pool isIt's discounting those under 19 (not sure why it's not under 18, maybe the data the site owner users cuts off there). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/17 04:42 AM |
| 2 | TheBluePill isn't funny.Even though I'm BP, I (mostly) agree. It's primarily just outrage porn, which can sometimes be funny but often isn't really. Probably the main reason for this is that's a lot easier to link to a thread about how "Incel demands 14 year old virgin waifu" than compose good satire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/17 09:35 PM |
| 1 | What puts a male into the category of "the top 20% of men".At least 6'2", >$250k income, >6" dick, <12% body fat, and a face in top 5% are the MINIMUM for being top 20%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/17 07:55 PM |
| 3 | Website calculates how narrow your dating pool isYeah, I might message the site creator. While it's going to be hard to work out correlations for stuff like penis size, it assumes 19-25-year-olds are the same as 65+-year-olds in a bunch of ways which are obviously incorrect (like whether they have kids). That sort of demographic data is readily available. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/17 11:46 PM |
| 5 | Website calculates how narrow your dating pool isTo be fair, it's pretty easy to filter for a lot of those factors. For instance, 19-25 women are only 5% of the whole population, but they're very easy to find on college campuses or Tinder (if you're of an appropriate age yourself). Move to a big city and you'll find a lot more educated, high-earning single young women too. It does make me ponder the flip-side of this, though - the people that have groups like that filtered out. Like a 60-year-old white farmer from North Dakota will probably ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/17 11:33 PM |
| 3 | Does this guy prove a double standard in women's definition of creepiness and misogyny online?This. It also shows the inability of people like OP to comprehend how women are actually different people. The women who want to fuck random hot dudes are mostly not going to be the same who complain about the slightest hint of creepiness. But of course, AWALT, female hypocrisy confirmed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/17 09:25 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: 75-year study finds "The Secret to Happiness"Source? (Not anecdotes). IIRC, higher socioeconomic status men are actually less likely to cheat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/17 08:26 PM |
| 9 | CMV: The reason why male vs female arguments on reddit fall apart is because most women revert to childish or irrational actions when losing said argument.You've listed a bunch of common errors in reasoning. What's your evidence that women are especially likely to be prone to them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/17 08:11 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: 75-year study finds "The Secret to Happiness"I also thought men at the "top" were supposed to eschew commitment for that sweet plate-spinning player lifestyle? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/17 08:05 PM |
| 1 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.I'm in no way telling you who you should be attracted to. All I'm saying is that I think you have an inaccurate view of the typical intelligent person. And in a world of 7 billion people, where only a tiny minority stand out enough to be noticed beyond their immediate friends and family, being in the top 140 million for just about anything is not something most people would take notice of. Yeah, tautologically, it's "uncommon" to be in the top 2%. But if you're meeting thousands of people in you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 06:14 AM |
| 3 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.A) Life experience. Despite not attending a top university, I have met very smart people in my life, and I have found many of them to be condescending. If someone was smart (but modest about it), how often would you even realise that they were, in fact, smart? I think there's a good chance the arrogant people are simply much more memorable to you than the modest ones. Anecdotally, many famous public intellectuals, who are far more intelligent/accomplished than the 98th percentile (e.g. Stephen H… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 03:37 AM |
| 5 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.Why do you believe "incredibly smart people are condescending" in the first place? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 02:28 AM |
| 4 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.It's mainly that you seem to think "98th percentile intelligence" = something like "socially inept eccentric genius" when in reality, the typical 98th percentile person is something like "your friendly family doctor". Most intelligent people are not spergy nerds, even if that's often the popular depiction of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.Top 2% IQ can qualify you for MENSA. How is that not "really all that special"? How smart would a person have to be before you'd call them special? It's rare enough to be the "smart guy" in a room of a random people, but unexceptional in an environment that filters for smart people (like academic faculty, not necessarily even at a top university). My school wasn't very big, so assuming 1/50 applies, there would be like 7 people who would qualify. When I think of the 7 smartest people there, most… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 01:12 AM |
| 1 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.Top 2% isn't really all that special. It's one in fifty people - you probably knew of a dozen or so such people at your high school, and they weren't all super geniuses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/17 12:00 AM |
| 2 | Q4WOMEN: Smart, Handsome, Capable. You must pick only two.I find it interesting that comedians are one of the only types of entertainers where good looks are not selected for (if anything, they're a drawback). I guess it's harder to laugh at someone you're jealous of. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/17 11:52 PM |
| 4 | Q4RPMEN: Why does fat/ugly women getting attention from men make some guys so pissed off?You can probably do so if you're willing to accept a gay clientele. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/17 10:27 PM |
| 5 | Q4RPMEN: Why does fat/ugly women getting attention from men make some guys so pissed off?It's precisely this that makes me question how much of a "privilege" this really is. There are many women that know they could make better money in sex work, but they choose not to. This is strong evidence that sex work isn't a great option despite how well it can pay - the negatives outweigh the positives for many women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/17 09:52 PM |
| 4 | Q4Men: Post a Pic of Chad, An Average Guy, and moreI actually think Bill Gates is pretty decent-looking for his age. He was below-average for his age in his 20s, but gained in relative terms by not balding or getting fat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/17 08:26 PM |
| 3 | Campus Sex Ratios, Romantic Relationships, and Sexual BehaviorStill, the sorts of women found at female-heavy universities may differ in important ways beyond the sex ratio of their university. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/17 07:48 PM |
| 6 | Campus Sex Ratios, Romantic Relationships, and Sexual BehaviorRussia still has a skewed sex ratio (only it's now due to factors like alcoholism killing the men early rather than wars). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/17 07:46 PM |
| 3 | What are your favorite dents?Because a lot of people have no real interests beyond the media they consume, and for some reason really like consuming it simultaneously with others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/17 06:11 AM |
| 9 | How is the OkC study that proves women find 80% of men unattractive totally infallible, but the OkC study that shows women prefer men their own age isn't?TRP is chock-full of confirmation bias and selective reading. The very same article with the "80% unattractive" stat also has a bunch of other stats that contradict the supposed 80/20 rule (like women being quite responsive to men multiple deciles below them in attractiveness). Not to mention other OKTrends articles, like "The Case for an Older Woman", which shows that women in their 30s are better in ways that a lot of men like while being only marginally less physically attractive than women i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/17 01:03 AM |
| 8 | Q4BP: How do you refute articles on TRP that are well written such as this one that is AF/BBI'd modify that to: their ideas are usually not completely groundless, but they vastly exaggerate the significance of the kernels of truth. Like women preferring more masculine men for casual sex - relevant, but what is the magnitude of this effect? A lot of TRPers would have you believe this means most women do nothing but fuck ultradouche Chads in their youth, then go on to marry (and subsequently dead bedroom, and maybe cheat on and "divorce rape") spergy engineers. It would be like interpret… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/17 07:23 PM |
| 2 | Wouldn't this AskMen article about slutty women be an example of bad mainstream/BP "advice" that RPers talks about?I have no data on this, but I very much doubt that the baby daddies for single mothers are especially "Chad-like". Generally speaking, they're low socioeconomic status deadbeats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/17 04:02 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Hesitance about women with slutty past is more about insecurity than anything elseI don't really care if a man says "I personally prefer to date non-promiscuous women". It's the pseudo-scientific justifications and often hatred that frequently comes along with statements of that kind that I have a problem with. Similarly, I don't really care if a woman says "I personally prefer to date tall men". But she said "because short guys are all creeps with Napoleon complexes, it's Science", I would have a problem with that too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/17 08:52 PM |
| 2 | RP underwent a massive Psy-Op late 2016. Blame whoever. They took the bait.It sounds like a cross between "cunt" and "fuck". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/17 07:36 PM |
| 4 | Q4all: What are some things that indicate to you that a man is sexually inexperienced?It's one of the most upvoted posts of all time on /r/TheBluePill. Haha, ruined! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/17 08:26 PM |
| 2 | Q4RPMen: When a woman say's she "dated nerdy guys" what do you think she means?Just maybe, she is intellectual/nerdy herself and wants someone compatible. Who'da thunk it? On second thoughts, nah, she just wants Chad McDouche but with glasses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/17 08:24 PM |
| 6 | The reason high partner count has an effect on divorce ratesSo "slut tells" are easy, but (say) "impulsivity tells" require clinical psychology training? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/17 08:00 PM |
| 5 | Question about prostitutionWhere are you from that landlords et al being paid in sex doesn't have a negative connotation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/17 04:44 AM |
| 1 | Average Women Aren't Being Bombarded with Attention...Rate These 10 Women Out of 10 Experiment RESULTSThe problem is that if you include literally every women, including the elderly, the obese and impoverished hard-living mothers, then pretty much every "conventionally attractive" woman would be in the top 10%. (I also feel this is the case with men, and is partly why the "80/20" rule is rubbish - the 80th percentile isn't that special). So if you're distinguishing between multiple "good looking" women with a rating out of 10, you're going to have use decimal places, which make the differences h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/17 09:41 PM |
| 1 | Average Women Aren't Being Bombarded with Attention...Rate These 10 Women Out of 10 Experiment RESULTSThe rating/10 system is kind of silly because there's no standardised way of calibrating it. If I rate a woman "7/10", I'm probably thinking she's "somewhat above average", but do I mean above average for all women? Young, single, middle class women? The women visible in popular media? And when I say "above average", do I mean something like "70th percentile" or "two standard deviations above average"? All of these are defensible, but give vastly different results. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/17 09:07 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Men who have casual sex are not responsible for this disastrous sexual market-place, it is women who should be shamed because they're the ones supplying sex...Huge numbers of men died in wars and such, and many women didn't really have a lot choice in who they bore children with. The idea that women were all fucking the caveman Chads is unrealistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/17 10:27 AM |
| 1 | What are the lies that society tell us in regards to dating/sex?What compounds the mystery is the fact that I currently am dating. I'm dating someone who, by conventional standards, is way more attractive than I am and gets plenty attention from both genders. Congratulations! So, again, if you claim to know how it works - how does it work? That there's no simple answer! That's what we Blue Pillers have been saying all along: you can't boil down attraction to a simple equation. If a conventionally unattractive women can date men more conventionally attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/17 12:56 AM |
| 1 | What are the lies that society tell us in regards to dating/sex?Because it's not just a game where you compare looks and then presto, relationship! To be blunt, the kind of person who thinks "morbidly obese mentally ill women are holding out for Chad and the wait usually is worth it - the Chad does come along" probably has personality issues that are bigger impediments than looks. I mean, that's just so detached from reality that who knows what kind of weird things you might be saying that repulse women (even if it's not as blatant as that). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/17 07:54 AM |
| 12 | Would you date a short man?From what, 4chan trolls? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/17 08:31 AM |
| 2 | So are we gonna discuss the fact that men's fertility also decreases with age?45? Almost zero athletes, even formerly dominant ones, can compete at that age. 35 is usually about the maximum (and even then, you're usually clearly off from your peak). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/17 09:44 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Most guys who are in the friendzone are happy to be there.This, plus the "friendzone" often isn't much of a friendship at all. (Some complainants seem to hold the idea of friendship with a woman in contempt, as being a waste of time if you don't get sex eventually). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/17 01:51 AM |
| 2 | Are virgin girls more sought after by guys, than virgin guys by girls? Why or why not?Women tend to be harder to please sexually than men, so they tend to prefer a guy who knows what he's doing. I don't think "pre-selection" has much to do with it. A fair amount (but not all) men don't mind a woman who is completely submissive and just lies there and takes it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/17 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: How can "average" women get relationships while "average" men cannot? Numbers don't add up.This isn't mathematically possible unless there's a huge amount of polygamy going on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/17 01:15 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women gain power through sexless emotional intimacy, men gain power through casual, emotionless sex.As the person whose comment you linked, I disagree. It's not about "gaining power", it's an observation on supply and demand. Men who want casual sex mainly aren't wanting it as a power play, they're just horny. Women who want emotional intimacy mainly don't want it as a power play, they just to talk about their feelings. But because there's asymmetry in the demand for each among the sexes, the minority sex (women in the first scenario, men in the second) have a "market advantage". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/17 08:38 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Men Are Not Exclusively the Gatekeepers of RelationshipsThe gender-flipped equivalent of casual sex is not a relationship, it's sexless emotional intimacy (i.e. what RPers would call a "friend zone" or "emotional tampon"). Basically, there's more demand among men than women for emotionless casual sex, so women willing to engage in it can with hotter guys than they could get in a relationship. But there's more demand for emotional intimacy from women, so a guy can "orbit" a hotter girl than he could get for sex or a relationship. (It is much less the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/17 05:28 AM |
| 3 | Has anyone else begun to discredit the field reports in TRP and AskTRP?Those don't sound that unrealistic. Is there anything where the woman uses specific RP jargon? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/17 07:35 PM |
| 3 | Has anyone else begun to discredit the field reports in TRP and AskTRP?Lol, got any examples of those stories you can link to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/17 06:18 PM |
| 6 | Are men who prefer (older) teens normal, creepy, or just have one of many possible preferences?Fair few upvotes on these comments | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/17 10:40 AM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (29 January 2017)+/u/User_Simulator honeypuppy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/17 12:24 AM |
| 7 | Do men like angular faces?This makes me wonder if the guys who fervently claim that "women peak in their teens!" just have a strong preference for cuteness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/17 10:10 AM |
| 4 | Why Does Attractiveness Have To Be On a Bell Curve?Data > anecdote of one guy who is way above the 80th percentile. Also, most of what that "proves" is that girls don't actually care as much about acting "alpha" as RP seems to think. I could talk like he did and still get responses from girls, it's not because I'm Chad, it's because girls aren't looking to "next" you at the slightest hint of "betaness". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/17 09:59 AM |
| 5 | Why Does Attractiveness Have To Be On a Bell Curve?And nothing about it suggests that the "top 20% of men" have some extraordinary advantage over average or even below-average looking men. The very same article shows that "Chad" does get a better response rate, but it's not a vast difference, and even the least attractive men have a fair chance of getting a reply from the most attractive women (a better chance, in fact, than an unattractive women messaging an attractive man). The way a lot of RPers spin it, men below the 80th percentile are "inv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/17 08:16 AM |
| 1 | Female preference for height is potentially harmfulIs it Tinder? I keep hearing that there's supposedly a huge number with that in their profile, but from my observations it's pretty rare, maybe 1% who'd explicitly say that. (I've spoofed my location to a lot of other locations and didn't find an appreciably higher number elsewhere). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/17 10:37 AM |
| 2 | Female preference for height is potentially harmfulHere's another source: OkCupid, showing relatively low correlation between height and # of sexual partners Part of it is that # of sexual partners (despite what TRP might tell you) has a relatively low correlation with attractiveness. Most men don't treat sex as a game where they try to rack up as many partners as possible, and very few men struggle to find a partner at all, despite what the incel crowd might say. So a man's n-count mostly reflects how many relationships he's been in. Secondly, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/17 09:27 AM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?But in order to enjoy the other person, you need to have some kind of bonding with them, right? And something like reading, as fun as it might be on your own, is not at all something you can really do with another person. It probably won't be worse for having another person there while you read, but if it is literally the only thing you do together, you won't get the bonding that makes their presence more enjoyable. Discussing books - now that is something you can do with another person, but it'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/17 01:01 AM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Well, I can't say I've ever had much of an urge to share my experiences with anybody. (This also goes for the other meaning of "share experiences" ala relaying them via social media or wherever). Maybe it'd change with the right person as you say, I don't know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/17 12:20 AM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Oh, I don't mean that people can't enhance my experiences. But as a general rule, I don't find non-interactive experiences improved by the mere presence of other people. If it's interactive (like a game) or can be made interactive (like we can get some interesting conversation out of it), then it can certainly be better than being alone. But the whole "let's look at stuff at the same time" mentality seems rather uninteresting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/17 12:00 AM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Perhaps boring isn't the right term, more than they don't enhance the experience. For me, hiking is about experiencing the tranquility and beauty of nature, and all else equal, other people slightly detract from that. The main advantage is coldly utilitarian - having someone around to share the load or help in case the other is injured. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?What I was getting at is: for interests that are solitary and non-interactive (like listening to music on headphones), sharing that interest doesn't really give you anything to do together. I like Pink Floyd, but I don't really have anything more I can do with someone else who also likes Pink Floyd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Being interested in the same thing as someone doesn't necessarily give you something interesting to do with them. For instance, I like to listen to music on headphones, but I don't particularly care to see live music or discuss music. If someone likes the same music as I do, it doesn't really make a difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Badminton, hiking, a couple of online games, programming, posting on Reddit, thinking about random things. But what I like to do on my own isn't a great predictor of what I like to do with other people. For instance, hiking with someone else is boring unless you already have other things you'd like to talk about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 10:42 PM |
| 2 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?It's not really about "working to entertain", it's about doing things that have some reason for the other person to be there. For instance, ballroom dancing isn't really my cup of tea, but at least you're doing something with the other person more than having them sit next to you at a show. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 09:56 PM |
| 1 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?That's exactly the thing that makes no sense to me. I do enjoy doing things with other people, but it's got to be highly interactive. However, it seems as though 99% of people mostly like being passively entertained at the same time as someone else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 09:37 PM |
| 5 | Question for those in relationships: besides sex, what do you do together with your partner?Questioned posed partially because a lot of people (particularly RP men) seem to think of relationships as little more than a glorified prostitution arrangement. And partially to give me some ideas, because at the moment I personally don't see much point in getting into a relationship when most "couple-y" activities seem pretty boring to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 09:26 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The tip-top percent of men or chads are the main cause of hypergamy in modern societyHow is this any different from the thousand other threads whining "women keep hooking up with CHAAAAD"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/17 02:11 AM |
| 2 | Redpill is associated with the right wing while bluepill with the left, but when it comes to the sexual marketplace it is the complete oppositeIt's insisting that everyone wants Budweiser, not selling Budweiser. (Although, most blues dislike RP strategy for other reasons than being overly general). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/17 11:07 AM |
| 2 | Man rejects woman, gutter media attacksYeah, the gender-flipped story probably wouldn't get an article in The Sun, but you know why that is? The readership of human interest/tabloid stories are likely overwhelmingly women. Even if they might agree, in theory, that the gender-flipped story was just as bad, they don't have the same emotional connection to it. It's a similar story (with the genders flipped) on Reddit. A screenshot of a woman rudely rejecting a short man will get thousands of upvotes in some subreddits, whereas a story l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/17 10:00 PM |
| 1 | What do we do with surplus straight women after we dispose of unattractive men?Real life example - modern day Russia TL;Dr: Potentially, more cheating, domestic violence as men have less to fear that their partner will leave. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/17 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Does any of the Red Squad have any legit sources/examples/evidence that women are of hypergamous nature?Those guys all wanted an instant hookup. Show me evidence that ugly women can consistently get quality relationships with conventionally attractive men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/17 06:46 PM |
| 3 | Does any of the Red Squad have any legit sources/examples/evidence that women are of hypergamous nature?Or be the bottom 20, but be willing to settle for someone unattractive. And maybe go outside and be friendly with people. There is just no evidence that unattractive men have it hugely worse than unattractive women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/17 06:35 AM |
| 3 | Anti-reds, Do you think men who believe in TRP are delusional? Why or why not?By that same logic, couldn't we also say that few women vie for "omega" or struggling men, so their problems are also irrelevant? And in any case, it's far more than those women who struggle. The number of women who can coast on their vagina for their whole lives is very small. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/17 09:18 PM |
| 3 | Anti-reds, Do you think men who believe in TRP are delusional? Why or why not?"Women don't have to struggle for anything" is not a general rule with some exceptions. It's generally wrong, and the women that TRPers are focusing on are almost certainly the exceptions (young, very pretty, middle class+ women, who take advantage of this). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/17 09:02 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Only weak men dislike high partner count women and slutsThe thing is, it's never the case that the only thing you know about someone is their partner count. By the time you get to that point, you'll almost certain know a lot of other things about your partner, the sum of which will almost certainly tell you a lot more about her likelihood of cheating than n-count. (Did she cheat on other boyfriends? Does she constantly get bored and move on to "new things" all the time? Does she seem "crazy"?) At best, n-count could be used to "break a tie". It'd be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Eight reasons why slut shaming is hypocritical and false...and as an extra bonus...these actually make sense and aren't full of more holes than emmenthalMy concern isn't with them. It's with the proselytisers who try to convince others that sluts are disgusting and make bad partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 01:42 AM |
| 8 | CMV: A low N-count man is simply not compatible with a high N-count woman because he doesn't have the experiences in common with herYes, but if you just want a wife to be part fleshlight/part maid, it doesn't really matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 01:30 AM |
| 0 | Eight reasons why slut shaming is hypocritical and false...and as an extra bonus...these actually make sense and aren't full of more holes than emmenthalWho cares what my secret motivations may or may not be? The point still stands. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 01:28 AM |
| 1 | Eight reasons why slut shaming is hypocritical and false...and as an extra bonus...these actually make sense and aren't full of more holes than emmenthalWe're not whining about their preferences, we're against prejudice and pseudoscience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 01:20 AM |
| 0 | Eight reasons why slut shaming is hypocritical and false...and as an extra bonus...these actually make sense and aren't full of more holes than emmenthalThere's a difference between having preferences ("I have nothing against sluts, I'm just not sexually attracted to them") and pseudoscientic prejudice ("Sluts are disgusting people who make horrible relationship partners because they're always pining for Chad"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/01/17 12:15 AM |
| 4 | Weekly Incel-Saturday Megathread (07 January 2017)I think a sizeable number of FA/incels more than anything want to "tick off" dating milestones than they actually want a partner for its own sake. (This certainly was true for me until relatively recently). I asked a question in /r/FA how they would feel if most people their age had as little experience as them, and most would be a lot happier (although one with a few upvotes indicated they would still crave affection). I think this attitude can lead to bad outcomes. You're going on dates not be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/17 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Why would a high N-count woman want a low N-count man anyway?Creampies, etc. This bit exemplifies how this is a porn-influenced paranoid fantasy. You do realise that "creampies" are how babies are made, right? Almost all women will have more "creampies" with their "betas" than their "alphas". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/17 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Tinder reveals the 13 most right-swiped men and women on the app in the UK | Daily Mail OnlineMaybe they're all rather picky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/17 09:51 PM |
| 7 | Why are Red Pill success stories rationalized away as "can be done without TRP", as if TRP had no part whatsoever in the transformation/outcome?Uh, I agree that TRP is bad, but... that's a pretty bad analogy. Schizophrenia isn't something you can just "work on" by yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/17 11:39 PM |
| 3 | Summary of PPD in 2016There is no consensus on what "Chad" is. Why, there are posts on the front page right now debating it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/16 08:08 PM |
| 7 | [Discussion] After seeing the easy treatment attractive men get, how are we supposed to take women's creep shaming seriously?Firstly, it's Tinder. It's accepted that you can be somewhat more forward there (although straight up asking for sex will get a lot of unmatches). It's very much a different story if you're a stranger approaching her at 2am in a dark alley. Secondly, that link has cherry-picked the most receptive comments. Believe it or not, women are not a hivemind. Just because there are some women looking to fuck a random dude doesn't mean that many other women aren't creeped out by overly forward comments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/16 07:28 PM |
| 1 | Penis Size Doesn't Matter and Most Women Wouldn't Even Recognise a Big Cock if they Saw OneAlthough there's quite a large disparity in breast size, and they're also much more noticeable in everyday life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/16 06:41 AM |
| 5 | According to previous post, women's "sexual urges changes through time". Why would men marry?The OP sounds pretty bitter ITT | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/16 06:37 AM |
| 1 | TBP = anti-systemetization?I'm not against systemising, I do it myself. Economists like Gary Becker have done systemised analysis of human behaviour. The main issues with TRP are unrelated to systematisation. It's simply that they're flat-out wrong. Perhaps if they were really as rational and scientific as they claimed to be, they'd stop upvoting posts which amount to little more "this single anecdote about one woman from a random internet stranger = TRP confirmed". Though there are some cases in which I think systematisa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/16 02:01 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Nothing is wrong with the fact that women have sex with "alphas" and marry "betas".Venting on the internet about relationship problems is nothing like statements to your physician (and still, in the latter case, some people do lie for attention, see Munchausen syndrome). But the important thing is: pretty much no-one denies there aren't some men who struggle with dating, and there aren't some horrible women out there. We just don't believe they're nearly as common as RPers make it out to be. The fact you can cluster a bunch of them together into one place to create an illusion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/12/16 12:11 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Nothing is wrong with the fact that women have sex with "alphas" and marry "betas".I'm sure a lot of them are truthful. But it's still a self-selected group. It'd be like going to a forum about battered women and concluding that most men hit their spouses. You're probably right that the woe stories are less likely to fictionalised (although they will still suffer from the one-sidedness that any story has). The success stories, on the other hand, have strong incentives to be made up. It can be fun to write a fantasy where you're a hot stud who gets girls to cheat on their "beta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/16 11:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Nothing is wrong with the fact that women have sex with "alphas" and marry "betas".read lots and lots of stories about this here, at TRP, and at the manosphere. .. Source? Evidence? You don't think there might be a teensy bit of selection bias/exaggeration/lies on stories that turn up on TRP? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/16 11:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.I don't think it's everyone, I'm just saying that a few of the so-called "AFBB" cases are like this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/12/16 08:12 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.Oh I definitely agree. I'm just using a simple example for the sake of clarity. I do suspect that the kind of women who date "bad boys" aren't likely to marry "pure betas". They may look for more stability, but probably not with some super dork. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 08:01 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.Not necessarily! There are smart guys who are exciting for women, perhaps because they're funny, have interesting life experiences, and have come up with creative activities they can do with women. It's not all about being "bad". It's about "not being totally boring to spend time with". Why should anyone want to spend time with a boring nerd who can barely interact with other people? It's not even a romantic question at that point - why should people want to befriend him either? What does he hav… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 10:51 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.it would be great if those guys committed long term and that's what many women hope for Do you really think 17-year-old girls dating the local bad boy are sincerely hoping he'll propose to her? Or when she's 30, she'll regret that he didn't? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 10:42 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.I'm saying that a good deal of young women would like to participate in the lifestyle Biker Dude offers. They're not going "Oh, I like your hobby, let's fuck". Biker Dude can literally take her biking, or he can tell her interesting stories, or he might have access to alcohol and drugs. She wants to date him because she likes to do that stuff, not necessarily because she thinks he's "hotter" for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 10:35 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.What I'm saying is that maybe his "bad boy nature" isn't actually inspiring many "pussy tingles" in and of itself. It's the fact he can offer her fun and interesting experiences, which gives them a reason to spend time together and help them bond. What's she actually going to do with "Poindexter"? Even if she finds him good-looking, if he can't do anything fun with her (besides sex), why date him? Most women want to date guys for reasons other than their pure sexual appeal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 10:27 AM |
| 4 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.I've recently noticed that there's a dearth of discussion about non-sexual activities couple do. It seems to me that according to a lot of RPers, all relationships are based entirely on sexual attraction (and sometimes money). Maybe that's how they see relationships, but for most people there are many more factors. And so, a lot of factors that supposedly make a guy "sexier" might really just be about making a relationship more fun. A guy who's boring isn't necessarily "unsexy" for it, but a gir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 10:10 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.And they can do interesting stuff together. Biker dude can... take her biking! Nerd dude doesn't have any hobbies she finds interesting, so what would be the fun in dating him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 09:49 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.Why do you assume the "bad boy" is hot? I see no reason to think there's much of a correlation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 09:46 AM |
| 8 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.What do you think people actually do in relationships? Just fuck and then go their separate ways until the next bang? Few people want to commit with someone just because they're hot, and those that do are probably the ones that are actually having the most marital issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 09:43 AM |
| 18 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.They date him because he's interesting and fuck him because they're dating. Not as many women just fuck random hot guys as you think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 09:19 AM |
| 4 | CMV: The so-called “alphas” women may date in their youth are not necessarily more sexually attractive than the “betas” they may marry. They might simply offer different lifestyles more suited to different times in her life.What I'm saying is that the "bad boy alpha" isn't necessarily hot (even for his "game") and the "beta" isn't necessarily unattractive. The "bad boy" simply offers a better "boyfriend experience" for a teenage girl. It's basically "Romantic Market Value", teenage style. It's not all about sexual attraction - most couples actually do non-sex stuff together. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/12/16 09:15 AM |
| 9 | Why is it that when a woman rejects a man, she’s doing so because she’s holding out for Chad?It doesn't have to be anything close to dog shit. It could be like a woman who wants to get lunch, decides not to go to an Italian restaurant because she doesn't really like Italian, and then the owner throws a tantrum and rants that she "only wants to go to Michelin star restaurants". Contrary to what RPers seem to think, people don't hold out for the "highest market value" partner they can get. Like if you're a plain woman, that doesn't mean you're going to automatically date/fuck any guy that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/16 11:16 AM |
| 1 | Why people shouldn't worry about Chad/StacyI agree, I've posted similar thoughts previously. Although "the vast majority of people are between 45-55" seems a bit unrealistic (especially if you're comparing people of different ages), the point that "hot" people are rarer than they might seem is definitely important. A lot of RPers give the impression they think there are massive differences between the 80th, 50th and 20th percentiles of attractiveness. But attractiveness just isn't that stratified outside of the outliers. All such people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/16 10:52 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Prostitutes Are A Viable Sexual Strategy For Low Caliber MenQuite a lot of "high value men" with plenty of options nonetheless visit prostitutes. The first example that springs to mind is Hugh Grant (while at the height of his fame and dating Elizabeth Hurley to boot). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/16 09:12 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Despite feminism trying to shame men into finding undesirable women attractive, all it's doing is making attractive to supermodel status more valuable.Your looks are really important when you prioritise the looks of who you want to date. If you don't mind dating a conventionally plain person, then being plain yourself won't hold you back. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/16 08:49 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Despite feminism trying to shame men into finding undesirable women attractive, all it's doing is making attractive to supermodel status more valuable.That's what it is for almost all threads complaining about "hypergamy" and "female standards". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/16 08:44 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: what don't you like about your own flare color and/or political affiliations?It's an issue with political debate in general. Eliezer Yudkowsky has a good article on this: "Politics is the Mind-Killer" Politics is an extension of war by other means. Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back—providing aid and comfort to the enemy. People who would be level-headed about evenhandedly weighing all s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/16 11:52 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Men who are unsuccessful with women and always have been refuse to use women as stepping stonesThere's some people who say that every woman is a stepping stone to an even hotter woman. While I disagree with the lifelong pursuit of pussy, I can respect the mentality that guys like that have. That sounds like a horrible mentality to have. Like, even if it does "work" in the sense that you might eventually get a conventionally attractive partner, it also sounds like the recipe for a bitter, loveless life which women are just accessories you practice on until you can "trade her up" for a "bet… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/12/16 08:19 AM |
| 9 | 22 Year old college woman claims to have had sex with 5 football players in the same night, yet with 3 of them it was not consensual.TRP ITT: if you do something slutty, then you are automatically lying about all claims of sexual assault forever after. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/16 07:29 AM |
| 5 | how many guys in the age brackets between 20-30 are either incels or undersexed?Well, if you're an average, everyday dude (like an autistic software engineer), you may be able to snag a former CC-rider when she hits 30 and starts looking for a human bank account. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/16 12:39 AM |
| 7 | how many guys in the age brackets between 20-30 are either incels or undersexed?80%. Unless you're having porn style sex with random HB8s every day (which the top 20% do), you're practically incel. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/16 11:19 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of LMR (Last Minute Resistance)?I referred to that post in my thread. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/16 04:58 AM |
| 1 | What do you think of LMR (Last Minute Resistance)?Even if it's a real thing, it's irresponsible to teach about "pushing through it" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/16 02:15 AM |
| 2 | Why do variations of this text keep showing up on tinder profiles?The fact that subreddit averages less than one submission a day despite otherwise being very active is a strong indicator that such incredibly picky women are rather rare. In my own online dating experience, I've almost never seen anyone like them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/16 01:48 AM |
| 5 | Three pick-up artists charged of rape after taking a drunken woman homeI feel it's worth posting this again: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/16 09:51 PM |
| 2 | Why are sex tourists getting younger and younger?BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GET LAID UNLESS YOU ARE CHAD | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/16 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Why are sex tourists getting younger and younger?I've heard there are things called "surveys" which are usually pretty accurate at representing the population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/12/16 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Men Cannot have an Objective SMV Because Women's Taste Differs so Greatly...Incels Fixate on Alphas and Chads Unnecessarily and this is Completely Counter-ProductiveThis should be seen as great advice to overcoming "oneitis". If a girl doesn't like you, chances are you're just not her type. SMV-obsessed RPers might think you just have to lift more until she sees you as alpha enough, and if you can't you might have to settle for a "lower SMV" girl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/16 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Some men can never be alphas. Their SMV will always be relatively low no matter what.I think the majority of self-described "ForeverAlones" are not "omegas" in the sense of being autistic neckbeards who have never had a friend in their life. I think they're generally asocial guys with low self-esteem. Hell, I would have considered myself "omega" or "ForeverAlone" a couple of years ago, and I'm pretty good-looking and funny. Advice that assumes the person is a horribly creepy loser is probably counter-productive for the majority of people who would read it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/16 02:24 AM |
| 1 | Sexual Market Place Described as a Job Market.I'm by no means saying there is zero correlation in what different people find attractive - obviously, there is. But there isn't a relatively objective way to calculate market value in the same way that there is for things that are traded for with currency. I could say a bottle of Coke and a bunch of bananas both have a market value of $1 (if they both sell for that amount). "That girl is a 7/10", on the other hand, is a subjective judgment roughly equivalent to saying "I rate Coke as 7/10". You… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/16 12:19 AM |
| 2 | Sexual Market Place Described as a Job Market.One big issue is that unlike most markets, there is no money or other universal currency for dating (unless you count prostitution). It'd be like if jobs didn't pay salaries, but instead had unique, non-tradeable in-kind compensation packages. It would be lot harder to model such a market. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/16 08:16 PM |
| 1 | 80 percent of men are unattractive. Another proofDid anyone else actually read the article? One sees that with the exception of the ratees in columns 10 and 16, all ratees had at least one rater who perceived her attractiveness to be noticeably above average and at least one rater who perceived her attractiveness to be noticeably below average. and Here too, one sees that there are very few people who are consistently rated as being above average or below average. So most men are going to be above-average to some women. Who cares what the aver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/16 02:47 AM |
| 3 | Rating data isnt MATING dataYes, relationships tend not to be porn-like fantasies. Is there any evidence that sexual satisfaction is strongly correlated with the male's attractiveness? My suspicion is that it isn't really. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/12/16 02:24 AM |
| 1 | The Shift in Red PillAnother thing is that, as an introvert, dating probably seems like a lot of work to you. To an extrovert, even if he's putting in similar or greater levels of "effort" in, a lot of it is stuff that he finds fun and would do anyway. For instance, a guy who goes to lots of parties and talks to lots of girls is in a way already getting the equivalent of lots of first dates. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 11:20 PM |
| 1 | The Shift in Red PillMaybe a few, but I doubt that all-in-all it added up to a huge amount of effort to find a girlfriend. I think your experiences seem to be heavily based on online dating and/or cold approaches, which are much more of a numbers and effort game. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 01:51 PM |
| 3 | The Shift in Red PillOnceJulian/BenGunnSilver, is this another alt account? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 01:39 PM |
| 3 | The Shift in Red Pill"Hot" women, yes. Women of equivalent looks? Not at all. I have relatively unattractive friends with girlfriends, do you think they got rejected 10,000 times each before they finally got a "yes"? I don't think so. In fact, I'd guess that for most men, they would barely consider attracting women to take any serious "effort" at all, because it usually happens fairly organically through social groups. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 12:57 PM |
| 3 | The Shift in Red PillBut most guys don't find attracting women to require massive investment and persistence, even when they're not especially physically attractive. You seen to be extrapolating your experiences onto men as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 12:43 PM |
| 2 | The Shift in Red PillI'm perfectly happy with where I am. Really? You've written numerous essay-length posts which seem to be thinly-veiled laments on how you're dissatisfied with your dating life. Like this post is just one big moan about rejection and how looks and persistence are supposedly all that matters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 11:51 AM |
| 9 | Can't this whole dating-debate be summed up by: Gender roles have evolved massively, but dating-standards remain unchangedI swear a majority of threads on PPD are just guys trying to rationalise why they're failing with dating. It nearly always seems to come back to "Women have incredibly high standards". It's abundantly obvious if you just get off the internet and look around outside that they don't, but the precious egos of these guys can't handle that maybe there's something unattractive about them (and it might not be looks). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 10:01 AM |
| 2 | The Shift in Red PillThere is a case for this, and I might be in the top 20% for my age group. I'm not in the top 20% of men aged between, for example, 21 and 45. I'm just not. Not on looks alone. I fail to see how this is a problem if you're willing to date close to your age (which most women prefer, anyway). I know, I agree. But I'm tall, I'm reasonably good looking, I've got a successful career, etc. Imagine what it's like for the guy I linked to, who is short and not good looking. Imagine the level of rejection … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 09:34 AM |
| 2 | The Shift in Red PillI'm blue pill, but as I've said before, the top 20% of men is really nothing special, and when RPers talk about "Chad" they're usually talking about guys who in reality make up less than 1% of the population. Like you - you're tall, not fat and not ugly? Well considering that only ~20% of guys in the US/most other Western countries are 6ft or taller, and many are fat and/or ugly, you're easily in the top 20% based on that alone. (However, don't go thinking that makes you some kind of "alpha", wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/12/16 08:02 AM |
| 2 | Question for RP: Would you marry (or even date seriously) a woman who had been with a guy who had an extremely large penis?I expect a wide array of opinions and thoughtful debate. As a Blue Piller, it is my firm belief that objecting to a man fucking your wife-to-be at the altar is misogynistic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 09:23 AM |
| 3 | Question for RP: Would you marry (or even date seriously) a woman who had been with a guy who had an extremely large penis?Q4RP: Would you still marry a woman if she was having sex with another man as you exchanged vows at the altar? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 04:17 AM |
| 2 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateSigh. There is no universal measure of "averageness". The mean is just one of them. There are rules of thumb for which measure you should use based on what the data is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 04:00 AM |
| 1 | Question for RP: Would you marry (or even date seriously) a woman who had been with a guy who had an extremely large penis?I only date women who have previously dated anorexic penis-less dwarves, so I can look alpha by comparison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:52 AM |
| 2 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateThe arithmetic mean is widely considered a poor way to measure a "typical" value if there is a heavy skew. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:49 AM |
| 1 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateIf you're at the 99th percentile for something, it's misleading at best to try to call yourself "average". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:43 AM |
| 2 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateNobody thinks like that except for insecure people in the 99th percentile of income wanting to call themselves "middle class". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:28 AM |
| 3 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateSo the richest guy in a small town is suddenly "average" if a billionaire moves in? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:18 AM |
| 3 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateThose are the richest places by mean income, and are almost certainly skewed by a relatively small number of ultra-rich people. By median household income, the highest is Loudon County, VA, at $118,000. Given that would include many double-income households, the median job is likely sub-$100k. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 03:04 AM |
| 3 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateBecause they are, statistically, the places with the highest household incomes and highest proportions of graduate degree holders. What county is that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 02:40 AM |
| 5 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateThere are no counties in the US where that is the case. The DC suburbs are close but still a fair bit off that. At an even more granular level (like by neighborhood) you could have that, but by then you're getting into such a self-selected bubble that it's getting absurd to consider it "average". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 02:29 AM |
| 1 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateJust because people's attempts to keep up with the Joneses can be impeded by moving next to richer and richer Joneses doesn't mean that they're not rich. Although, I suppose you could say a similar thing about comparing yourself to the global (not merely national) average. Under that comparison, a large majority of Americans/Westerners are above the global average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 02:21 AM |
| 2 | What Is an Average Man? Discussion/DebateThere's a huge gap between the super-elite and the average. If you've got a $100k+ job and a graduate degree, you are not close to average in any way unless you're comparing yourself to your way above average neighborhood, but in that case even billionaires could consider themselves average if they live in a sufficiently wealthy bubble, which is just getting stupid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 12:32 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingThanks, fixed | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 12:20 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingIt just proves so little. Women on OkCupid ranked 80% of photos of men on OkCupid below average... therefore 20% of men are fucking 80% of women? What? There was one stat that hinted at a possible "RP truth", and they've grabbed onto it for dear life as "proof" of their entire worldview. Incidentally, OkCupid has some other statistics that would appear to contradict RP reasoning (like the advantages of older women, and the minimal relationship between height and # of sexual partners), but whenev… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 12:15 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingActual statistics don't back it up To the extent there's any validity to the 80/20 rule, it's possible when regarding pseudo-anonymous casual sex, which is a small proportion of all sex, engaged in by a minority of men and women alike. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/12/16 12:00 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingSure, people settle for what they can get all the time. I'm sure Guy A would probably like to marry a supermodel if he could. But my point is that within the range of mere mortals, attractiveness rankings are not highly stratified. You can easily be in the top 20% for some women, but below average overall, or the top 20% overall, but below average for some women. This does not require some weird fetishes where some women are turned on by short fat guys, only the observation that most people are … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/16 10:52 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingAlmost all women would prefer Guy B, but they're just so far apart (and Guy B so rare) that it has little relevance to any real world scenarios. It'd be like comparing rancid meat to a meal at a Michelin star restaurant to "prove" everyone has the same taste in food. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/16 10:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Basing the 80/20 rule on the OkCupud study is misleadingGuy a is short, fat, poor, unknown. Guy b is tall, ripped, rich, famous. Which of these guys has more success? As I've said before, you guys often invoke men who are extreme outliers to prove your points. 'Guy A' is merely uncommon, but 'Guy B' is like... a few dozen to a few thousand guys in the entire world, depending on how strict you are with your criteria (especially for fame). Once you're down to "merely" the 80th percentile, you're getting to guys who are really pretty unexceptional. Ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/12/16 10:19 PM |
| 3 | Does someone who's never been in a relationship have any authority in RedPill/BluePill advice?They have a disadvantage in topics which draw heavily upon personal experience, but most of our discussion topics are somewhat science-y in nature. Empirical claims like the "80/20 rule" can be contested with statistics. Biased and fallacious reasoning can still be pointed out. And although experience can give perspective, it's usually still a very narrow one. As an analogy, on the matter of child development, I would be far more likely to trust a childless researcher than a parent with zero exp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/16 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Understanding IntroversionI wrote a post for /r/socialskills on a similar topic. I do think there's a lot of armchair "self-improvement" that goes something like "Just go to parties bro, if you don't like them, it's because you don't have sufficient Social Skills™, so keep improving your Social Skills™ until you're the life of the party! Woooo!" On the other hand, sometimes you can get the other extreme, in which people go "I don't like parties, therefore I'm going to isolate myself forever". Sometimes I think the issue … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/12/16 02:11 AM |
| 6 | CMV: TRP members pedestalize the average manHe may physically be a 6, but his other attributes may drag him considerably lower. For one, feeling entitled to a "looksmatched" partner is a strong indicator of an unattractive personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/16 12:49 AM |
| 5 | CMV: TRP members pedestalize the average manThey imagine "getting laid" as porn-style casual sex with strangers, that supposedly every woman will do with a man who is "alpha" enough. "Betas" are strung along for multiple dates. In reality, they're largely dealing with different women altogether. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/16 12:47 AM |
| 5 | What can we conclude from the mere existence of TRP?There have been sexually frustrated guys since the dawn of time. They've just gotten better organised with the rise of the internet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/11/16 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Guys: Where do you meet girls if you don't drink and you're not going to school?If you really don't like it, it's going to be hard to motivate yourself to go out, and even when you do, it's going to be hard to not seem disinterested. And even if you did manage to occasionally hook up with an attractive woman, was it really worth tolerating all those hours you had to spend beforehand engaging in an activity you disliked? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/16 02:21 AM |
| 6 | Guys: Where do you meet girls if you don't drink and you're not going to school?I strongly disagree. I spent years obsessing over the idea that I was missing out on the youthful party culture that "everyone" other than "losers" (like myself, supposedly) was enjoying. I then went on a group tour of Europe known for its partying but was soon disillusioned by it. I think it's a far better idea to try to find an alternative scene that works for you rather than attempt to conform to mainstream things you don't like. It might not be the strictly most efficient way of meeting wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/16 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Why are people that fail in the SMP stigmatized and seen as bad human beings for their failures?How many people are you comfortable enough with to talk about relationships with, but they don't already have a pretty good impression of your personality, such that they're unlikely to be swayed into snap judgments? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 08:35 PM |
| 1 | Why are people that fail in the SMP stigmatized and seen as bad human beings for their failures?No-one will ever know this unless you admit it or they've known you all your life, in which case they know about your personality anyway and don't need to make snap judgments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 07:46 PM |
| 3 | Women Want To Be Approached, But Want To Feel Like It "Just Happened".BiggerD sounds like an extrovert. If you really enjoy the company of other people, then dating and sex are a lot easier. It's a lot harder to get sex if you're not interested in the people you're trying to have sex with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/11/16 12:25 AM |
| 4 | CMV: The Fact That a Man is In a Relationship Doesn't Mean He's in a Good RelationshipEven if the OkCupid data is the literal truth, how much does an average rating really matter, especially when there's variability in tastes? Is there some inflection point where you're a sexless beta if your average rating is 4.9/10, but you suddenly become Chad at 5.1/10? The way RPers go on about the OkCupid data, you make it seem as if every single woman unanimously agreed on their ratings, and "below average" meant "ugly beta I would only consider fucking out of duty if married", and "above … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (20 November 2016)This Reddit user baffles me. Either a spam bot, or a guy who posts dozens and dozens of times a day on gonewild submissions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/16 04:16 AM |
| 3 | Single Japanese Women Are Buying the Boyfriend ExperienceA lot of those guys are unattractive/socially inept/weird/possibly clingy. There's no guarantee they'll be any good at the "job". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/11/16 10:00 PM |
| 3 | CMV: It is far more difficult for a man to be sexually attractive to women than it is for women to be sexually attractive to men.What studies? I've seen a few amateur experiments showing women get messaged more, which is what you'd expect. But that doesn't mean that male 9s have to settle for female 2s, because the male 9s will get replies from a lot of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/16 07:56 PM |
| 1 | A lot of these PUAs and playboys in adulthood are validation hungry because they weren't one of the cool kids in their school years, and it won't get fixed because they are chasing something that no longer exists.What does the fakeness of meat have to do with validation? If you wouldn't eat identical tasting, identical looking fake meat because of some primal desire to eat a dead animal's flesh, then yes, there is a psychological factor involved that extends beyond the physical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 10:37 PM |
| 1 | A lot of these PUAs and playboys in adulthood are validation hungry because they weren't one of the cool kids in their school years, and it won't get fixed because they are chasing something that no longer exists.Isn't that kind of proving OP's point, that a big part of it is about validation? True, it's not in the exact same "brag to your bros" way, but it's in the same ballpark. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 10:14 PM |
| 6 | A lot of these PUAs and playboys in adulthood are validation hungry because they weren't one of the cool kids in their school years, and it won't get fixed because they are chasing something that no longer exists.If it was all just about getting your rocks off... Working to earn money to pay for cheap hookers would probably give you more "bang for your buck" than the opportunity cost of the effort of "self-improving" and trying to "game" girls. However, using prostitutes would usually be considered "beta" or "omega" on TRP. Orgasm enhancement tips would be some of the most upvoted posts on TRP. No-one would bother to write posts bragging about how "alpha" they are. If anyone was to brag, it would be abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 09:05 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Crushing and having oneitis are female expressions of loveWell, historically women had basically no opportunity at all to express themselves artistically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 05:44 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Crushing and having oneitis are female expressions of love(if they were allowed to paint or write sonnets in the first place) I think that's probably the biggest factor. Off the top of my head, a lot of Taylor Swift's and Adele's music could fit into those categories. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 01:44 AM |
| 14 | How does the social hierarchy of the adult world (or just after school in general) look like? Who are the "cool kids"?Why should you even care? It's such a petty, juvenile thing to be worried about. Just try to be happy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/16 01:32 AM |
| 1 | There's no such thing as an objective scale: Even identical twins may disagree on their perceptions of beauty.Kate Upton is a huge outlier, she's literally paid for being one of the most conventionally attractive women in the world. On the other hand, if we compared Lena Dunham to everyday women there'd likely be plenty of disagreement. Some guys would consider her a 2, whereas for a few she might be a 7. Incidentally, Dunham's boyfriend is the fairly handsome guitarist from 'Fun' (although he too is probably fairly polarising, with his Jewish hipster look). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/11/16 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Q4All: What do you think of /r/TheAquaPill (BP satire done by RPers)?You sort of can, but it's really hard. /r/metacirclejerk (occasionally) has something good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/16 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: If you could choose not to be attracted to the opposite sex, would you?For you personally, it doesn't sound as if you stopped being attracted to women, so much as you had a mindset shift where you stopped treating women as a "game" that you had to "win" to be happy. I had a similar experience myself recently. I think a lot of the posters here (usually RP, but it's not an exclusively RP thing, as my experience attests) would benefit from the same mindset shift. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/16 07:36 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: If you could choose not to be attracted to the opposite sex, would you?You can do this now, you know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/11/16 07:29 PM |
| 7 | The Pareto Principle – ConfirmedI was hoping this was something new, but it's the same OkCupid data we've discussed a hundred times on this subreddit. The thing is, there are many other plausible explanations other than "80/20 rule confirmed". Maybe online dating or OkCupid specifically are unrepresentative. Maybe women are less likely to be aroused by a picture and instead have a more holistic view of attractiveness. Maybe men take worse pictures on average. Maybe women are just pickier in their ratings of everything. (Indeed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/11/16 10:02 AM |
| 5 | CMV: On average, men ''hit the wall'' much harder than women.According to OkCupid data (https://imgur.com/Ijgzwsk), while men of all ages tend to prefer women in their early 20s, women tend to prefer men about the same age as them until about 40. (This is all looks, no "status" necessary, although that might have a subconscious impact in the evaluations). So although you're probably out of luck if you're a man who wants to fuck teenagers forever, as a man, looking "mature" and "distinguished" genuinely seems like a real thing, so long as you're willing to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/16 08:09 PM |
| 1 | CMV: On average, men ''hit the wall'' much harder than women.Because this subreddit is full of deeply insecure people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/16 07:31 PM |
| 7 | Don't Waste Your Time Believing in the WallWhining that women aren't as interested in casual sex as men, take #4,823. This is 90% of women's "dating advantage". Filter for people genuinely interested in a serious relationship and older women probably do the same or worse than men of their age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/16 10:24 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Being short is not a death sentence in terms of dating.I agree. There's an overly systemised undercurrent to RP self-improvement, as if it's just a video game where you level up your character until you unlock "Level Chad" and pussy starts falling out of the sky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/16 03:37 AM |
| 7 | Q4All: What actions raise a person's N count?We need the broadest definition of female sex so we can slut shame more, see, but we need a narrower male definition to protect our alpha points. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/11/16 07:28 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Claiming men don't need to be masculine/muscular while also saying women like hot guys is counter-intuitive and leads men in circlesWhy only talk of luxury cars? Why not say, luxury fashion labels? Or it doesn't have to be luxury at all - any product which most people don't buy (which is quite a lot of them) could be considered "niche". Or if you're particularly picky about the definition, every business is in a "niche" to some degree. Not even the few conglomerates still around try to sell everything anyone could want to everyone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/16 10:14 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Claiming men don't need to be masculine/muscular while also saying women like hot guys is counter-intuitive and leads men in circlesBut only a small number get to be successful mass production companies. The question for Porsche isn't whether it would like to magically turn into Volkswagen, but whether it would make sense for Porsche to rebrand itself as an affordable automaker. Obviously, it shouldn't. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/11/16 09:17 AM |
| 10 | CMV: Claiming men don't need to be masculine/muscular while also saying women like hot guys is counter-intuitive and leads men in circles... why? Even if you want to be promiscuous, there are so many women in the world that you'll have more options than you know what to do with if you're maximally attractive to a 1% niche. Or since you RPers are so fond of "marketplace" analogies, do you think companies which specialise in relatively small markets would all be better off trying to sell ubiquitous commodities? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/16 08:57 PM |
| 2 | Q4Men: How would you feel about your fiancee having a bachelorette party with a male stripper?Source... AskReddit! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/16 08:00 AM |
| 8 | [Q4Men] How to avoid being used as a "starter wife"?Alimony if possible. Like, this is the textbook example of why alimony can be good policy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/16 07:50 AM |
| 3 | Q4All: What exactly are you trying to achieve in your romantic/sexual life?Plus like if she loses me where the hell is she ever going to find another guy like me? And I'm willing to burn it all to the fucking ground. I already have. That sounds, uh, a bit ominous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/16 10:36 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Intelligence plays no role in sexual attraction.And also: MIT students typically have very, very different social groups to gang members. There's a bit of an implication that normal girls are turning down "nice guys" like the MIT students in favour of "assholes" like gang members. But there is almost certainly very little overlap in the kind of girls each type of guy is exposed to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/16 07:33 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The sexuality of Omega males is seen as inherently disgusting.Argh. Firstly, you should get out of PPD if you're having thoughts like this. It doesn't help. Secondly, I think you're suffering from something of a "spotlight effect". You think people are paying way more attention to you than they actually are. Most people don't really care very much if someone they see/hang out with is a bit weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/10/16 10:14 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TBP offers good ideas for how dating & sex *should* work, but TRP matches real life. Therefore, TRP > TBPThey often think it's "full of shit" while sharing many of the same misogynistic ideas, they just disagree on a few points. They're like different sects of the same religion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/10/16 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Men's virginity? Should losing it be special?I think virginity is not such a big deal in and of itself, it's the inexperience, awkwardness and insecurity that often comes with it. If you get blackout drunk, have sex and don't remember a thing, it might give a small self-esteem boost, but it's not going to make you less awkward the next opportunity you have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 10:16 PM |
| 5 | Online dating: Friend or Foe?Signing up for Tinder probably gave me the single biggest self-image shift in my life. I half-expected to get ~0 matches, because according to a lot of Redditors only tall, ripped Adonises get any number of matches. But I ended up getting a pretty decent amount - blonde bombshells weren't begging to blow me, but I can consistently match with cute nerdy/outdoorsy girls that not long before I would have dismissed as out of my league. I probably do have a decent face, and I'd specifically picked go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 10:10 PM |
| 3 | AF/BB is More Complicated Than Most People Thinku/honeypuppy insists that AFBB happens because the relationship "lost its spark for whatever reason". Not quite what I was saying. Rather, Red Pillers have a tendency to blame "AFBB" for "dead bedroom" scenarios, despite there being many other possible causes, and the possibility there were no "alphas" in her past to begin with, they were just exaggerated by an insecure guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 10:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.You still haven't actually even attempted to provide evidence for the supposed struggles of the average male. You've basically just asked me to try to extrapolate from a couple of examples of hot guys. But you can't do that! All that shows is that there are a significant number of girls who are interested in those guys. That doesn't mean every single girl is interested in those guys, or that guys that don't look like them get nothing at all. Here's another Tinder experiment, comparing the result… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 09:32 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.Sometimes. Possibly not with those specific women, but the idea that every single woman will drop their panties for any meathead that grunts at them is laughable. (That's not to say that muscles aren't usually better all else equal, but the comic scenario is dumb). In any case, that's still beside the point, which is the idea that average men don't get anything at all because women are all focusing on Chads. You haven't backed it up with anything at all other than a shitty arrow-based diagram. (… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 06:28 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.Uh, I agree that hot guys will do better. What I don't agree with is the idea that average guys get nothing. That's just a delusion that allows below-average RPers to pretend they're average, and average RPers to pretend they're alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 05:16 AM |
| 7 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.Wait, I thought women's advice was useless and you should ask the fishermen on how to catch fish? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 05:03 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.Looks do matter to women, but not to the extent that it makes those shitty comics true. Also, that's a professional photo vs a badly lit, unkempt one. Do the second guy up a bit and he'd look fine, not model level but a lot better than he looks there. (I'm a straight guy btw). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 04:27 AM |
| 11 | CMV: The vast majority of rude, blatant rejections men receive from women is caused by approaching a woman out of your league.clicks links thinking just maybe they're a legitimate source sees idiotic comics instead | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/16 03:50 AM |
| 2 | What's the difference between an older virgin and an incel?They're all just arbitrary labels. If it really matters to you whether you're "incel" or "volcel", it's not something you should dwell on. The way the two terms get used seems to leave a broad middle spectrum, though. Some definitions I've seen of incel are that not a single woman in the world would even consider you, and some definitions of volcel are that you'd turn down any woman in the world even if she was lying naked on your bad. In reality, unless you're the Elephant Man or completely ase… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/16 09:55 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women on PPD are not representative of women in generalYep, many supposed cases of "beta bucks" were probably "filtering for gold diggers". In particular, if you fit the RP archetype of a beta to a T (boring, nerdy, virgin until after his career took off, primary sexual strategy = make more money), it's not surprising at all. If no women were into you before you had money, and then the only thing that changes about you is that you get money, it's obvious that the women into you now are primarily interested in your money. Or if you had some women int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 10:42 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women on PPD are not representative of women in generalI agree. But unrepresentative samples are ubiquitous in all walks of life. There's a whole industry (opinion polling) build around trying to get representative samples, and even they sometimes stuff it up. Women on PPD aren't representative of women as a whole. But nor are women in nightclubs, or book clubs, or just about any circumstance you can imagine. Some are a bit closer to being representative than others, but they're all biased in certain ways. TRP's experiences with women are highly unr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 10:36 PM |
| 1 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.I mean when guys did Tinder experiments with legitimate male models, even then a number of girls were resistant to sex (and those were just the ones they showed). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 08:51 PM |
| 3 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.They were struggling with women, so they attached themselves to a philosophy that offered some answers, but also told them what they wanted to hear (women suck, and you're not below average because only alphas are getting laid, but you too can be become an alpha by following these easy steps). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 06:40 AM |
| 6 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Those comics are hilarious (in a sad way). They just reek of incredible insecurity and bitterness. And aside from anything, fail to understand how normal people talk (who the hell describes someone's height in feet and inches in casual conversation?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 06:34 AM |
| 5 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Then why do so many conventionally attractive "alpha" men get divorced? (Brad Pitt is a recent example). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 06:27 AM |
| 2 | Why don't all women become sugar babies?What, I thought money and sex were the only things anyone wanted? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 06:24 AM |
| 16 | Why don't all women become sugar babies?Making "thousands a month" is probably only an option for well above average looking young women. And she almost certainly needs to fuck if she's going to maintain that. Most women see sex work as shameful and degrading, and they fear it will alienate them from their friends and family. Also, if all women did it, they wouldn't be able to make as much from it (supply and demand). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:50 AM |
| 4 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Wrong, and misleading. And if we only look at college educated women over 25 with independent sources of income (a prime demographic for hypocritical Blue Pill feminazis), the divorce rate is only 20%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:39 AM |
| 1 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.That is another potential cause for "beta bucks" I didn't go into in the OP - guys who are filtering for gold diggers. Although gold diggers are probably more likely to be serial monogamists of well-off boyfriends than "post-wall former CC riders". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:32 AM |
| 4 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.That women have higher standards for casual sex isn't surprising, but it in no way proves AF/BB. There is no such thing as scientific evidence for self reported phenomena It can be a scientifically conducted survey. And there is scientific evidence on how much people lie in self-reporting (a bit, but nowhere near enough to throw them all out as worthless). If we're just going to focus on anecdotes, why can't we talk about the couples that were still madly in love after decades of marriage? Or th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:27 AM |
| 3 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Were those women marrying the "beta" guys in their "friendzone", or just letting them down gently? In any case, the experiences of so-called "alphas" heavily filter for the women who are into said "alphas". I think one of the great RP fallacies is "Chads can get a lot of casual sex, therefore nearly every women is having a lot of casual sex with Chads". But you only need there to be a relatively small percentage of women into casual sex for "Chads" to get all the sex they want. When people do Ti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:21 AM |
| 2 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Need to keep up their reputation as a good girl so they can get that sweet beta bux. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:10 AM |
| 11 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Is there even anecdotal evidence of this? At least one woman admitting that's what they were doing? Because "not enjoying anal" seems a very plausible excuse to me, and "being super insecure about your wife's sexual past and inventing a paranoid delusion that she was having ecstatic anal with Chad" seems like a very convenient rationalisation that allows you to blame her for not giving you every type of sex you want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 04:09 AM |
| 8 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Where's the evidence they're not attracted to them? (Scientific, or at least a large sample size. Not one example of a woman who didn't like her husband). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 02:44 AM |
| 7 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.As a good looking entrepreneur, he doesn't really fit the stereotypical "nerd" mold. "Tech" does not not automatically mean "beta". Also, it's not really that shocking that a Playboy Playmate might be on the crazy/hedonistic side. Most women aren't like Playmates, and most men don't marry such women. Finally, it's a lurid anecdote. You could just as easily cite Trump as an example of why "men are pigs". Where's the scientific evidence? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 02:42 AM |
| 5 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.No one forced her to settle for men she doesn't want so she can have security and resources. I haven't seen evidence that is actually a widespread phenomenon. Indeed, for all the romanticising of "traditional" marriage that RPers sometimes do, what you're describing would have been a lot more likely back when women had few career options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 02:36 AM |
| 3 | CMV: “Alpha fucks/beta bucks” is rare in practice. It primarily serves as a scapegoat for men to blame for why some long-term relationships become stale or end.Why only one Chad? There are about 700 million top 20% men in the world. Surely she can fit at least a dozen a day in? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/10/16 02:23 AM |
| 5 | If women cared so much about their looks, then why are there mostly men at the gym?On this topic, it's partly that weightlifting is seen as "masculine" while many other means of improving your looks are considered "feminine". So a man who wants to look better, but is worried about being seen as vain and effeminate has few options other than the gym. It's the opposite for women - they can spend a ton of time on beauty and fashion and it's totally socially acceptable, but lifting is just a bit tomboyish. It has been changing quite fast for both genders, but it still persists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/16 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Places like DrNerdLove, TheGoodMenProject, and other mainstream sources are unhelpful to guys wanting to raise their SMV because those places further indoctrinate guys to be betas chumps and not alpha fux.Where's the evidence that "betas" get used and abused? Sure, relationships fail, but I've never seen anyone provide evidence that this is because of the man's "betaness". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/16 06:19 AM |
| 7 | If men are so antimonogamy, then why do most rich successful men enter monogamous relationships?Because most men aren't actually anti-monogamy. Even guys that enjoy womanising will usually tire of it and want a life partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/10/16 01:01 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: do you not think AF/BB occurs for the subset of men whom are well off nerdy guys?I think it's rare even among this crowd, but of all demographics they're probably the most likely to face it. Even then, I think it's mainly "gold diggers" who exclusively look for moneyed boyfriends, not women who switch from "alphas" to "betas". Also, I think RPers have a tendency to extrapolate the problems of nerdy STEM guys (of which Reddit has a disproportionate number) to all men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/16 10:38 PM |
| 3 | CMV: TRP Men who say they want "nice sweet girls" are the opposite of party sluts saying they want "nice guys".I really think "party sluts" are marrying "betas" far less than RPers think. It's probably because RPers seem to think ~80% of women are party sluts and ~80% of men are betas. In reality, it's probably more like 15% for each, and they're mostly running in different circles and rarely date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/16 09:21 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] TRP has ruined my view of menThis seems like satire to me, basically switching the genders of RP whines about women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/16 10:01 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Modern Feminism is a sexual strategy for women to minimize attention from unattractive men and maximize it from chads/studsFFS not everything is about sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/16 03:34 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Modern Feminism is a sexual strategy for women to minimize attention from unattractive men and maximize it from chads/studsLet's say Steve didn't just bang his face up. Let's say he was badly injured and became a quadriplegic. The trick wasn't even that dangerous either, he just got really unlucky. What kind of callous douchebag would say he was "asking for it"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/16 03:32 AM |
| 1 | CMV on Niceguy Shaming: Entitlement is a Copout.If they're attractive, well, those might be quite reasonable expectations. And men never talk about what they like in women? Seriously? What's TRP then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/16 03:00 AM |
| 2 | CMV on Niceguy Shaming: Entitlement is a Copout.Thinking it is okay. Saying it is crass. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/16 02:52 AM |
| 3 | CMV on Niceguy Shaming: Entitlement is a Copout.That list of female demands is common IME. No hyperbole. Where exactly? There's the subreddit /r/ChoosingBeggars, where despite having tens of thousands of subscribers, they can only muster about one submission a day between them. And most of them are pretty mild, like a fat girl wanting a tall guy. And they're being mocked! It's not as if there's some mainstream movement to celebrate absurdly high standards. Yeah, their friends might support them, but pretty much everyone else rolls their eyes.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/16 09:31 PM |
| 2 | CMV on Niceguy Shaming: Entitlement is a Copout.Who is actually saying that? I'd say most people think the former is materialistic, superficial and unrealistic. Most people would think the latter may not be unrealistic, but is still superficial and vulgar. The "entitled fat acceptable woman" is not very common, and isn't celebrated out of her own small circle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/16 07:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4women. Would you exchange fidelity for a higher smv maleThe terminology "SMV" is just so strange and off-putting when used in contexts like this. Why not just say "more sexually attractive to you?" Noooo, gotta sprinkle in unnecessary jargon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/16 09:50 AM |
| 1 | Is this a good example of how similar TBP is to lookism.net and sluthate when it comes to their views?As the OP of that post, I wasn't thinking of looks at all. It's just a bit of armchair psychoanalysis on why RPers think like they do. I think here we pay a lot of attention to RPers' means without really thinking enough about their ends. We debate topics like "Is TRP a good way to bang a ton of girls?", but rarely "Is banging a ton of girls really the best way to make you genuinely happy?" Sure, sex may be fun but if you're devoting your entire life philosophy to getting more of it, maybe you h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/16 12:59 AM |
| 1 | Is this a good example of how similar TBP is to lookism.net and sluthate when it comes to their views?This was pretty much what I meant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/16 10:43 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Having a series of 1-2 month relationships is not serial monogamy, most women aren't serial monogamistsITT: RPers discuss the point at which they're allowed to slut-shame | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/16 07:36 PM |
| 3 | Why is it that most guys I know are single while most girls I know have a boyfriend?Here's an example. One of my social groups involves around 13 guys and 11 or so girls. Of these, three guys are currently dating somebody within that social group. Five girls are dating somebody outside that group, and the rest are either single or sleep around. That's not really much of a sample size. Also, is that social group a traditionally male hobby? I imagine there could be some selection effects going on - the kind of girl that joins might be somewhat braver and outgoing, whereas normal-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/16 04:11 AM |
| 2 | CMV: RP guys are not representative of all guys.This is both true and very important, not just for TRP but all sorts of areas. It can result in the typical mind fallacy. I think pretty much any issue where we talk about people collectively can run afoul of this. PPD participants, for instance, are almost certainly highly unrepresentative of the general population - not just in superficial demographic ways that our surveys show, but in interests and personality types as well. (Not many people enjoy arguing on the internet about sociology/sexua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/16 10:29 PM |
| 2 | Q4 Non Red: What Do You Suggest Nice Guys Do to Improve Their Lives?I think a lot of it is that "nice guys" feel that being nice is actually a rare commodity. They think that the majority of guys that girls date are "assholes". If that were true, maybe being nice would be a distinguishing feature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/16 08:00 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Many "incels" who post here would benefit immensely from therapyit's still a fact that I concealed my flaws, embellished my face and dressed up, and got better reaction than I ever have before. That's... totally normal. People use flattering photos of themselves all the time, and no-one considers it cheating (as long as they're not blatantly hiding obesity or something). If you're so convinced they're deceptive, why not try again with what you feel are "honest" photos? It could be helpful because you currently seem to believe that you're too physically unatt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/16 09:45 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Many "incels" who post here would benefit immensely from therapyUnless they were literally photoshopped, it's not "cheating" to have good photographs. I'm guessing the 180 in attitude was more due to the way you acted than your looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/16 10:23 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Unless someone makes an effort to be as attractive as possible, then they have no right to call themselves incel.Is that no replies either? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/16 09:47 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Many "incels" who post here would benefit immensely from therapyI read before that you've had Tinder matches, which supposedly the majority of r/FA has never had. You can't be that bad looking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/16 09:13 PM |
| 2 | Why is TRP so concerned with age?Relevant: The Case for an Older Woman, from OkCupid. According to their data, mid-30s women are of similar average attractiveness to mid-20s women (if you remove outliers on each end), plus they report higher sex drives and other things men tend to like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/16 07:39 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men don't fail with women because they treat women like "pieces of meat". Women love being treated like meat by attractive men.OP (and many others in this forum) has an extremely unhealthy obsession with "Chads". Never mind the merits of his post (even though it's wrong), it's just not a good mental space to be in. Psychologically, it seems somewhat akin to how anorexia is for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/16 12:39 AM |
| 2 | Why do some redpillers think dating world is hostile or unfair if they believe men age like wine and women age like milk?I think it's usually different people saying these things. The pessimistic incel types more often say the former, the optimistic "aspiring alphas" more often say the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/16 11:46 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Unrestrained sexuality and female sexual liberation leads to the vast majority of women in the hands of a few men.Dan Bilzerian is an outlier, as are his women. This is one of the biggest RP fallacies - taking (visible) outliers and assuming they're representative of the whole population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/16 06:18 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The suffering of ForeverAlones and Incels is caused by a lack of validation.I agree. Signing up for Tinder as a virgin and finding out that some girls (including reasonably attractive ones) liked me was a massive boost to my self-esteem and eliminated my "Forever Alone" anxiety, even before I met anyone from it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/16 05:46 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Society refuses to address sexism that affects menThis is not actually happening outside the fervent imagination of MGTOWers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/16 07:33 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Male height matters the same amount as a woman's cup size.1% of the world's population is 70 million people. There are not 70 million people good-looking enough to become famous Instagram models. There might not even be 70,000 people. (Certainly, there are far fewer than 70,000 "famous Instagram models", although certainly nowhere near everyone who could become an Instagram model is one). If you were right, you could walk around a busy grocery store and find several model-level gorgeous people. In my experience, you don't. At best, there'll be a few fa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/16 06:42 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Male height matters the same amount as a woman's cup size.A tall guy with abs, white straight teeth, and good hair? I don't think that's top 1%. I think that's definitely top 20%, but top 1% would be like... basically everyone already famous haha 1% of the population is famous? 70 million people worldwide? For starters, being 6ft is already rarer than the top 20% (in the US, and in most countries outside Northern Europe). Abs? Merely having a healthy BMI is just about the top 20%, men sufficiently into fitness that they have visible abs are a small min… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/16 04:53 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Male height matters the same amount as a woman's cup size.Slightly pedantic, but what you're describing is far rarer than the top 20%, probably substantially less than 1%. That's like male model level attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/16 03:47 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The stupidest of society show you each sex's nature in its unfiltered glory, AWALT and AMALTAgreed, particularly for the women in OP's example. The least intelligent women will shit their pants, they're not exactly going to have a firm grasp of make-up. Even the functioning unintelligent will often look pretty trashy. The "AWALT bimbos" will usually have fairly average intelligence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/16 11:48 PM |
| 3 | CMV The most harmful sub on reddit is r/relationshipsYeah, there are huge selection effects involved. "My girlfriend tried to kill me" will get a lot more upvotes than "My girlfriend was kind of mean", and obviously is far more worthy of a break-up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/16 06:34 PM |
| 6 | Men want relationships & love more than women do, or else they wouldn't be the ones paying out of their ears for it (especially in sugardaddy relationships), falling in love with prostitutes, & other things (sources inside)You're basically saying "decent-looking young women can make good money from being sex workers", which I think most of them know, and yet most are still uninterested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/16 03:22 AM |
| 17 | Men want relationships & love more than women do, or else they wouldn't be the ones paying out of their ears for it (especially in sugardaddy relationships), falling in love with prostitutes, & other things (sources inside)Sugar babies are (more or less by definition) much younger than their "sugar daddies". How many 50 year old men would lavishly treat 50 year old women in return for sex and companionship? In any case, relatively few men are into being sugar daddies, so I'm not sure we can learn that much about men as a whole from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/16 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: how do you conclude that 80% of women go for the top 20% of men?They do. They get magnitudes more messages than men That has a lot to do with the "men are the initiators" social dynamic. A man can get few messages because there are women who are waiting for him to message them. A woman who gets few messages is being knowingly passed up by men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: how do you conclude that 80% of women go for the top 20% of men?Basically this. It's both a defense mechanism for "omega" guys and a motivator for "aspiring alphas" ("Once I reach the top 20% I'm going to be DROWNING in pussy!") | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/16 11:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Average and kinda ugly dudes can still be playersThis reminds me of how I feel that a lot of RPers (and non-RPers who are interested in dating improvement) treat sex/dating like a video game. Just level up your SMV and unlock a higher class of women! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/16 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Who's time is worth more?What a stupid analogy. Gates is earning that money regardless of whether he bends over or not. He also said he would (in a Reddit AMA of all places) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 07:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Men who envy/idolise “players” are like starving people who envy gluttonsYeah, a lot of guys might idly fantasise about becoming Bond after they watched one of the films. It would likely be a brief phase, after which they'd probably go back to not thinking consciously about it. And as you said, a lot of it would be about the lifestyle as a whole, with the women just a bonus. I do not think there are many guys envying men who spend all their free time lifting, going to bars and posting on TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 06:32 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men who envy/idolise “players” are like starving people who envy gluttonsIt's not intrinsically bad to want something that you missed out on, but there's the risk you're unhealthily glorifying it. The poor person may make extreme sacrifices to try to become rich, and if they do become rich, so much of their identity may be tied up in the idea that "rich = good" that they are constantly insecure about maintaining their wealth and are envious of others who have even more. They'd probably be happier if they could just realise that wealth wasn't the be-all-and-end-all of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 04:48 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men who envy/idolise “players” are like starving people who envy gluttonsI'm not saying that steady relationships are the same thing as sleeping around. I'm saying that the guys who care a lot about other guys that sleep around are nearly always guys who are insecure about their own sexual success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 04:38 AM |
| 0 | The only incel threads I want to see, are in-depth progress reports.TRP is more or less "guys who want to be more successful with women", as are incels (whether or not they agree with TRP). Often, incels start threads which ostensibly relate to TRP ("CMV: All women want Chad") but they're frequently just a thinly veiled rant about their own circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/09/16 12:54 AM |
| 0 | Q4M: Please rate the following women on a scale from 1-10The x/10 rating scale is pretty arbitrary to me, even considering its subjectiveness. Like they're all well above the 90th percentile for women on Planet Earth, but no-one seems to rank like that. However, we don't have a vague consensus on how we're calibrating the scale. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/16 09:21 AM |
| 0 | RP men, where do you think your aversion to promiscuous women comes from, and why isn't it the same for men?Sure, if you think of women as pinatas that you hit until sex comes out, I could see how you might think this way. Also, there's the implicit assumption that any women who ever has casual sex in her life must, from then on, always agree to fuck every other guy she dates as soon as he wants lest he feel insecure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/16 06:40 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Is there no point at all before you could get concerned about the consequences of your advice? Hypothetically, if your advice was killing a hundred people a year, you wouldn't feel the slightest twang of guilt, or feel any need to preface it with warnings? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/16 04:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Incels just need to do coke and fuck hookersLike... 95% of his posts are the "You must be mega-Chad" and then occasionally he acts like a snarky BPer. I don't know if he's meant to be a troll, because all of the former posts are really boring to read even if they are "ironic". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/16 12:30 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”The whole point of driver's licencing is proving your competence so you that you don't run over pedestrians. It's not some side feature that makes the analogy somewhat imperfect, it's the integral element. If "LMR training" was in preparation for a test where you had to prove you could safely navigate sexual interactions, I would be much happier with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 08:34 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Part of driver's ed is telling people that driving is dangerous and, you know, licencing people who can prove they have reasonable competence at driving because of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 08:14 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Louis CK - Rape Yeah, some women are into that. If it's worked out carefully beforehand with safe words and all that, it's fine. If, as in Louis CK's words, you just go "rape [her] on the off chance she's into that shit", you're going to have a bad time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 08:06 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”The former is advice. The latter is "advice" that sprinkles in liberal amounts of victim blaming. It implies that getting close to but ultimately not having sex with men is disdainful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 10:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”I'm rather disturbed that the modal response to this thread is not "TRP doesn't increase rape!" but instead "I don't care if it does". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 10:19 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”I would consider a person who sold guns to mentally ill people to be immoral, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 10:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”LPT: When raping a girl, fuck her good so she feels better about it the next morning. I'm not really that concerned that LMR will lead to RPers getting falsely accused of rape. I'm more concerned that they'll actually rape people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:55 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Well yes, in the event of a completely groundless "changed my mind a week later" false rape accusation. It won't do much good if the girl wasn't happy the next morning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:47 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”So if a woman doesn't follow your approved rules for how to signal her lack of consent... I guess it's tough luck, she's fair game? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:41 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Besides the link in my OP, the first search result for "last minute resistance" in TBP is this, where a woman was raped and her rapist claimed she was just exhibiting "last minute resistance" as well as some other TRP rhetoric. Now, we can't prove a counter-factual so maybe this guy would have been a rapist anyway and just used TRP terminology to justify his actions. But if we're applying that level of scepticism, we can't really prove anything about TRP, including whether it works. To me, it se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:37 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”If you raped her the night before, then nothing you do later will undo it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:13 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”It's one thing to say "I know it sucks, but be aware that some men will be pushy for sex, so be careful with who you spend time alone with". It's another to say "Dang, girl, stop leading on red-blooded men! I know you like to, er, what's it called, "change your mind" and all, but, dang, you're going to cause a big problem for yourself one day!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 05:02 AM |
| 7 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”My argument is that we men would lose a lot of pussy if we followed these rules. Oh, the horror! What's a few rapes if you don't get your dick wet as much? rust me - if guys didn't have such a ravenous sex drive we wouldn't talk to you women. We don't like you, we think your problems are trivial and your interests futile and boring. However you have a vagina and you should be extremely grateful for that because without it a guy would never do anything for you or even talk to you. Why would a guy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 04:20 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”I'm not saying "don't rape". I'm saying, "advice that encourages men to persist in the face of apparent non-consent will increase the number of rapes." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 04:15 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”It's actually a turn off for me when there's no LMR because it basically means she's a slut. Or maybe she's learned to communicate like a proper adult. I think this what a lot of BPers talk about when they say that RP actions filter for the "AWALT" women. If you don't want to face "LMR", then stop going for the 19-year-olds with daddy issues. (And yes, the fact one of you will inevitably cite an example of a 35-year-old woman with a PhD who exhibited "LMR" doesn't refute my point in general). 2)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 04:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”TRP is simply amoral sexual strategy. I've never understood this line. Why is it amoral? It is just because you all asserted it to be so? Why can't you have regard for how your sexual strategy affects the well-being of others? Is it just because it conflicts with the whole Dark Triad Alpha persona? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:48 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”I don't know about you, but I tend to think "not raping people" is a good moral principle to shame people into applying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:41 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”It doesn't matter if most rapists aren't RPers and most RPers aren't rapists. If TRP has been an influential factor in some rapes, that's a big problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:39 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”The danger in pushing a "No" into a "Yes" is that the "Yes" can easily seem to have been achieved under duress (at least to a jury, if not to you). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:37 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Framing it as "leading on men" and the scare quotes around "change her mind" makes it sound not like it's regrettable advice for a tough world, but victim-blaming. "She shouldn't have been such a tease!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:35 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”Sometimes women change their minds. Should they be admonished for doing so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 03:00 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”There isn't a binary distinction between autistic incels and socially adept people. There are guys who are at something like the 10th percentile for social skills - they may not immediately give off red flags, but throw in alcohol, inexperience and a philosophy that tells them that women often don't really mean what they say, and you have the recipe for a potentially terrible outcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 02:58 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”The problem is, as long as there are some guys misinterpreting that, TRP's advice is dangerous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 02:17 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Even if LMR is a real thing, it’s irresponsible for TRP to teach how to “push through it”A lot of guys who have trouble with dating (TRP's target audience) are guys you'd probably label "spergs" (and a lot of it is about teaching said "spergs" to appear normal or "alpha", so if it works, your advice won't help women). Does it not bother you in the slightest if your philosophy ends up increasing the number of rapes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/16 02:12 AM |
| 1 | CMV - Men are losers. Women aren't.I get the sense almost all of these "men struggle more than women" threads are just guys extrapolating their own sense of failure over their entire gender. I've never heard a well-adjusted non-RP guy say anything to that extent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/16 10:01 PM |
| 2 | Q4TBP: Reasonable Blue Pill folks, what is your opinion on the blue pillers on your sub and off who completely deny that TRP has any validity onceoever? Are they naive/narrow-minded?I think most BPers who say things like this are reacting against TRP absolutism, such as when a RPer says something like "You MUST be a muscular alpha douche or else you'll be cucked". Perhaps there really are a few who really don't think women (on average) have any preference at all over body type. To that, I think "meh". It's a subreddit with thousands of subscribers, surely there'll be a handful with unusual/incorrect ideas. If we're going to turn it into a competition, TRP's most extreme out… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/16 11:01 PM |
| 4 | A mutual lie between TRP & TBP: LooksOP, based on your post history, what you need isn't PPD or even a magical looks genie. What you need is therapy. I'm not trying to be snarky here, I sincerely think it'd be in your best interests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/16 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Bluepill: How common is the overly picky "forever alone" male who is not making an effort or simply turns down women?Oh, I don't think there's an issue with women with a BMI of 19. What's ridiculous is thinking that a BMI of 21 is "too fat". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/16 09:20 AM |
| 3 | Bluepill: How common is the overly picky "forever alone" male who is not making an effort or simply turns down women?So you enable cheating, care so little about your girlfriend you hope she cheats on you when she gets "too old", and also think women are too fat if they're beyond borderline anorexic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/16 08:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP confuses status with social proof. The two are very different.For example, say we have a well respected scientist in a university. He has won many awards for his research, etc. Women are not getting wet for him talking about artificial intelligence or new ways to synthesize aspirin. In fact, they are usually repulsed by intelligent nerds, not caring at all about their amazing achievements in the field of science. I have seen it many times, like when I would tell a girl I was approaching about winning a hackathon, they would have this look of utter boredom … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/16 09:48 AM |
| 1 | CMV: casual sex isn't difficult for the average man to get.My guess is the 234 million figure includes many people whom might get linked to a single Reddit post, but wouldn't remember/count that as "using Reddit", much like I wouldn't remember every website that I've been linked to from Reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/16 07:56 PM |
| 3 | CMV: casual sex isn't difficult for the average man to get.Only 4% of US adults report using Reddit. Its users skew young, male, and are a lot more likely to be heavy internet users. And although I don't have data on this, I'd wager that the heaviest Reddit users, who vote, comment and submit content out of proportion to their numbers, have even more of a skew to the "young male nerd" demographic. When you further take into account the self-filtering for people to subscribe to places like TRP, you're ending up with a group that is extremely unrepresenta… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/16 03:55 PM |
| 7 | A new system for classifying men by SMV and characteristics.I agree with other commenters that there's too much emphasis on n-count. However, I don't think you can neatly classify men (or women, for that matter) into a handful of hierarchical categories. Some men have such vastly different goals and go after such vastly different women that they're not even close to competing with each other. You may as well be ranking skateboards vs submarines as forms of transportation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/08/16 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: What is the personality of an omega male?Depression, anxiety, and/or being on the autism spectrum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/16 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Q4Men: Would you rather have enthusiastic sex on demand with hot women for the rest of your life (but never have a genuinely romantic relationship), or have a lifelong loving marriage (but no sex with any other women)?I'd assume it'd include a good amount of sex, but probably not "We still fuck 3x a day at age 90". From what I've heard, there are some very loving elderly couples who probably aren't having much sex, but that doesn't mean their marriage isn't deeply fulfilling. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/16 03:20 AM |
| 3 | Q4Men: Would you rather have enthusiastic sex on demand with hot women for the rest of your life (but never have a genuinely romantic relationship), or have a lifelong loving marriage (but no sex with any other women)?My answer: If the marriage was truly great, I'd pick it in a heartbeat over the sex, even if my wife was quite plain. Even Wilt Chamberlain, who pretty much lived scenario #1, agrees: (Wikipedia) In a 1999 interview shortly before his death, Chamberlain regretted not having explained the sexual climate at the time of his escapades, and warned other men who admired him for it, closing with the words: "With all of you men out there who think that having a thousand different ladies is pretty cool, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/16 02:16 AM |
| 3 | Q4Men: Would you rather have enthusiastic sex on demand with hot women for the rest of your life (but never have a genuinely romantic relationship), or have a lifelong loving marriage (but no sex with any other women)?I'll say no. (Although I'd be interested if your answer would be different solely on that condition). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/16 10:47 PM |
| 2 | What character traits do men like in women for a relationship?Pretty much my preference, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/16 04:04 AM |
| 1 | I've had an epiphany about sluts and divorce statisticsI think this has been the Blue Pill line all along. Although I don't think it's necessarily as severe as being "fucked up". Getting divorced doesn't mean you were a terrible wife. It could well be that (say) socioeconomic factors influenced your promiscuity as well as made for a more stressful marriage, raising your probability of divorce even if there was nothing fundamentally wrong with you as a person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/16 11:51 AM |
| 8 | what does it mean 'you'll find love when you stop looking for it'?I noticed this in myself not that long ago. I was going on dates with girls not so much because I was genuinely interested in getting to know them, but because I saw them as means to the ends of gaining dating and/or sexual experience. I came to the uncomfortable conclusion that I was looking for a girlfriend but didn't actually want a person to spend time with, just a means of "unlocking" dating milestones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/16 11:40 AM |
| – | New Mods Nomination ThreadI'd be interested. List of my PPD submissions. Also, I'm in New Zealand, which is apparently a time zone plus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/08/16 11:25 AM |
| 1 | Women categorize men solely on looks, this is what either makes a guy "creepy" or not. Personality comes second.I suspect "experiments" like that have had cherry-picked results. The author even hints at this with regards to "shit tests" (aka rejections). I've done my own experiments with my own Tinder profile and can confirm that there are some girls, even decent looking ones, who are willing to hook up right away. There are also fairly unattractive ones who are repulsed by the prospect. From that I gather there isn't a monolithic group of women all hooking up with Chads. There are horny women looking for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/16 03:07 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Hypergamy is a false concept, men and women are like two different currencies.This only really applies in the market for casual sex, and perhaps for young men and women (particularly 18 year olds in college). Most relationships are between people in a similar percentile for looks. Saying "I'm a 6, so I should get a 6 girlfriend" sounds more like entitlement to me from a guy who probably has a bunch of non-appearance reasons he's struggling in dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/16 02:41 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Archetypal “beta” males make up a minority of men overall, but are a majority on Reddit and in the social circles of Redditors. This has helped cause RPers to have a skewed idea of what dating is like for genuinely average men.It also allows you to feel superior once you do start having more sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/16 11:11 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Archetypal “beta” males make up a minority of men overall, but are a majority on Reddit and in the social circles of Redditors. This has helped cause RPers to have a skewed idea of what dating is like for genuinely average men.There's no evidence that this is broadly the case. A sizeable majority is getting laid, primarily in monogamous relationships. To be sure, it's a rare few men who are getting on-demand porn-style casual sex with hot, young women. This seems to be approximately what most RPers are striving for. If that's your benchmark, then perhaps most men are "beta". But there's just no evidence that average guys are struggling by more reasonable standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/16 03:43 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Archetypal “beta” males make up a minority of men overall, but are a majority on Reddit and in the social circles of Redditors. This has helped cause RPers to have a skewed idea of what dating is like for genuinely average men.They may be "beta" for a sufficiently broad definition of the word, but what I'm getting it is that whenever RPers talk about "betas" in any detail, they're almost always conspicuously similar to archetypal nerds. They're never a pudgy cop trying to get a date with Mary Lou to the county fair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/16 02:47 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Archetypal “beta” males make up a minority of men overall, but are a majority on Reddit and in the social circles of Redditors. This has helped cause RPers to have a skewed idea of what dating is like for genuinely average men.Doesn't the 80/20 rule refer to 80% of women? And sure, the top % of women don't tend to date average men. Duh. But even for them, I've yet to see any evidence of "AFBB" being anything but a minor occurrence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/16 02:41 AM |
| 6 | CMV In the modern world, men have to deal with just as many, if not more, unrealistic standards as women.You're describing an idealised man who pretty much doesn't exist outside of maybe a handful of celebrities. Almost no-one else has both the genetic good fortune, time and money to look like a model, have a lucrative career and cultivate a bunch of interesting hobbies while still being level-headed enough to be a romantic. And if we're being truly apples-to-apples we should consider what non-physical traits a proper fantasy woman would have. If a RP "unicorn" is the ideal, then she'd be a virgin … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/16 04:36 AM |
| 4 | According to sex-positive feminism, sex is a fundamentally healthy and non-shameful thing. So why won't feminists support me going up to women in public and asking them for sex?Even a hunky stud will be considered a creep by most women if he acted like the OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/16 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Men who have difficulties with women and getting sexual relationships, what do you think are the reasons?This is perfectly fine! I'm a similar boat myself. Earlier this year I had a bit of a revelation that I didn't actually have much of an intrinsic desire for dating or sex, I just thought it was something I "had to do" if I was to not be a "loser". I reckon a lot of insecure RP-esque guys are in the same boat. Take away the social pressure and fear of missing out and I think of their problems would disappear. That being said, I would like to find someone I connect well with. I just don't think I … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/16 04:02 AM |
| 1 | Harvard study finds stay-at-home dads are 32% more likely to be divorced compared to working menPredictably, in the eyes of RPers, anything to do with divorce invariably is the fault of women. Kind of odd when men are the "gatekeepers of commitment" and all that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/16 12:15 AM |
| 3 | Incels after 30 have irrevocably missed the boat on youth, young love, relationships and socialising.You sound like me until recently (although I'm younger than you). For years after college, I had a huge complex over the idea that I had "missed out" on the "college experience" that "everyone else" had, and desperately tried to think of ways I could try to replicate it. Some mitigating facts: A lot of these so-called "universal experiences" are far less universal than you might think. For instance, "stereotypical" American college students ("full-time, degree-seeking students at primarily resid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/07/16 02:08 AM |
| 1 | what's your idea of a slightly below average looking pre wall woman?Well, in the OkCupid article every RPer likes to cite as irrefutable proof of the 80/20 rule, they have pictures of men and women near the top and in the middle of their distribution. So extrapolate a bit lower. Although, they are average only for OkCupid's users, who are probably a bit more attractive than average (due to skewing middle class). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/16 04:30 AM |
| 1 | The Power of "The Makeover"You still have to care enough about how others perceive you more than the time and effort it would take to be fashionable. It can be quite rational to decide that it isn't worth putting the effort in (or effort above beyond the basics). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/16 08:41 AM |
| 1 | The Power of "The Makeover"While I do agree with you that a makeover can significantly improve your attractiveness, I have been wondering if this is really as important to your happiness as I once thought. Last year, I was very much into "makeover" style self-improvement. The thing is, at the time I was also extremely insecure about the idea that I might be a virgin forever, and to me it seemed that a makeover might be the difference between that and the ever-elusive "normal" life. So for someone with low esteem tied clos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/16 12:43 AM |
| 2 | Is there such a thing as an event horizon for virginity?This just sounds like an excuse for defeatism. For an analogy, I recall that few obese people ever successfully get to a healthy weight, but that doesn't make it impossible in the slightest. And anyway, off the top of my head, something like 5% of 25-year-olds are virgins, but ~0.5% of 40-year-olds are. So about 90% of those "doomed to virginity" eventually lose it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/16 02:45 AM |
| 1 | "just be yourself" is good advice.Can confirm. I spent years feeling guilty about my "unattractive" hobbies and thought that it was essential I dedicate my life to becoming a party bro, because that's "self-improvement" or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/16 12:05 PM |
| 3 | CMV: We can learn more about human sexuality from this random Wikipedia article about lizards than we can from most TRP shit posts on this subreddit.I remember reading about this circa 2010 as an explanation for Justin Bieber, when he was derided for his youthful appearance but had a large (albeit young) female fanbase. The theory is that youthful, androgynous males ("pretty boys") can do well sexually because more traditionally masculine men don't take them seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/16 04:39 AM |
| 1 | Why is it okay to generalize groups of people in sociology/economics... but not when you generalize groups of people in terms of sex/dating?Even still, saying "Canadians like Coke Zero" is an imprecise use of language that you wouldn't find in an encyclopedia. In casual conversation, sure, it would be pedantic to correct it. But if we're trying to have a somewhat serious debate, precision is important. Even if it's understood that the speaker does not literally mean every single Canadian, there are huge differences between 99%, 51% or a 20% plurality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/16 03:32 AM |
| 0 | CMV: Many feminist misconceptions about gender relationships come from their lack of understanding about male sexuality."Congratulations on managing to grow breasts". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/16 10:03 PM |
| 7 | Is Obesity the reason for the warped SMP in America?There are more obese men than women, so this explanation makes little sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/16 10:19 PM |
| 1 | Update to SMV ratingsBut I could sell a saddle for hundreds of dollars. I can't sell my smile. If the girls I like don't like my smile, it's meaningless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 11:42 AM |
| 2 | Update to SMV ratings70th percentile based on what? The average rating members of your preferred gender would give you? But what if you're polarising, and therefore are highly rated by a select few? And again it matters how much you like the people that tend to like you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 11:39 AM |
| 2 | Update to SMV ratingsBut that's just describing "the price of a Coke at Disneyland", which is an objective figure. What does an "SMV of 7" even mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 10:24 AM |
| 2 | Update to SMV ratingsThere's a distinction between being "average looking" and "averageness". "Averageness" is about having facial features that are close to the average of a composite of the whole population, and this is often considered attractive. Also, it only refers to facial features - thus, men who are taller than average, or women with larger breasts than average, are often considered to be more attractive. "Average looking" is just a purely subjective judgment that someone isn't ugly but isn't good-looking … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 05:15 AM |
| 8 | Update to SMV ratingsYou can't boil it down to a single number, in the way that you could conceivably do so with currency. If a chocolate bar and a bottle of soft drink both sell for $1, you could say they have the same "market value". But what on earth does it mean to say that a 20-year-old gang member and a 35-year-old philosophy professor both have an SMV of "7"? There's almost no overlap between the type of women that they would each attract and be interested in. You may as well be talking about the SMV of a dog… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 02:21 AM |
| 10 | Update to SMV ratingsHow useful is "market value" in a world of extremely diverse preferences where you can only match and not sell (barring prostitutes?) Anyway, pedantry over "SMV" aside, I've seen a number of RPers make comments that imply they believe that women have very similar preferences in men. This is the sort of data that OkCupid would surely have (they've talked about how variety in women's attractiveness affects her messages, so it surely exists for men), it'd be interesting to see it. My guess would be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/16 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Q4BPW: If a guy is "attractive" enough, can he get away with saying outlandish things more so than the average joe?Yep. I've done my own experiments (with my own profile, spoofed in different locations) to see what I could get away with. If I cherry-picked them, I could show you a handful of reasonably attractive girls who were willing to hook up after only a couple of messages. I could also show you unattractive girls who were disgusted. I mean there's no doubt that the guy in the link would do better than me. But I think a lot of guys underestimate just how much filtering they've done when girls are willin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/16 11:44 PM |
| 8 | Do men and women even have common mutual interests?LOL, "Bitch Management Hierarchy" (which I was apparently supposed to have already read?) I'm sorry I mistook you for someone reasonable. "Yeah, I'm just trying to have an ADULT CONVERSATION here, such as how women are like dogs that start off as pure fucktoys but can get the privilege of your non-sexual attention by performing services for you. But how DARE you imply that RPers might think of women as mere sex vehicles? They can also make fine servants!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/16 10:57 PM |
| 5 | Do men and women even have common mutual interests?I don't think all RPers think relationships are merely vehicles for sex, but quite a few seem to. Both attraction and compatibility are important. However, if you were to talk about "boosting my SMV" so you can go from "HB7s to HB8s", it doesn't sound as though you really care very much about the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/16 12:13 AM |
| 8 | Do men and women even have common mutual interests?I like the puzzle piece analogy, it's quite poetic. Certainly attraction does play a role. And if you see relationships as being little more than vehicles for sex, it doesn't really matter whether you're "compatible". But I think one of the big issues TBP has with TRP is thinking that treating relationships as merely sex vehicles (or in other transactional/commodified ways) is a path to deep dissatisfaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/16 11:19 PM |
| 2 | CMV: incels are stuck because they have no abundance mentality.I don't think it's "toxic personalities" (though sometimes it is), but mental issues like depression and anxiety. Ugly dudes that are reasonably socially adjusted and competent usually have no issue finding relationships, so long as they're willing to accept they may not be able to get anything better than a fairly unattractive girl. Guys that never leave their bedroom because they get panic attacks from doing so are going to find it much harder, even if they're decent looking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/16 10:55 PM |
| 1 | What do you guys think about this "advice"?It's reasonable as an introduction for total outcasts to find their feet, but I really dislike the notion of "faking" your persona in order to fit in. It seems to me to be a recipe for short-term achievement ("Yay! I've got friends!") but longer term unhappiness ("...none of whom I can really connect to...") I wrote my own post on a similar point for /r/socialskills. There's this idea that being a "party bro" is the peak of social success, but it might just not be your thing at all. If it isn't,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/16 07:35 AM |
| 2 | Women who always seem to get "bad apples": Is it a problem with how these women select their men, or is it a problem with men in general?But almost all men dream of becoming womanizers I'm sceptical of this. (Or to the extent it's true, I think it's a lot more socially constructed than RPers would say). For instance, until recently, the idea of being a womaniser was highly appealing to me, until I realised that it was only because I was insecure and wanted validation, and also saw women as a "game" to "win". As soon as I understood that it was all made up and the points didn't matter, the notion lost much of its appeal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/16 11:41 PM |
| 4 | TRPs lack of emphasis on looks is unrealistic and overall harmful for menYour looks matter approximately as much as your value of looks in a potential partner. If you don't care much about getting a good-looking partner, then your looks won't be much of a constraint (so long as they're not awful). In contrast, if your ultimate goal in life is to attract supermodels, then it very much matters whether you yourself have model-worthy looks. Basically, the shallower you are, the more "shallow" it seems that women are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/16 10:57 PM |
| 2 | Why beta males are as much to blame for this mess as women or feministsITT: Yet another example of representing extreme outliers as being typical | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/16 02:14 AM |
| 1 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sexOh, I agree that men have a desire for casual sex going beyond social approval. After all, men hire prostitutes and buy sex dolls despite their respective stigmas, in order to enhance sexual pleasure. However, I think the societal exaltation of sex amplifies the pressure. If you're told that male virgins are losers who are missing out on something "everyone else" is doing, and all women will think there's something horribly wrong with you if they find out you're a virgin, you'll be likely to fee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/16 12:07 AM |
| 1 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sexIf a “sexual strategy” subreddit advertised itself as “how to get human fleshlights that are willing to use you as a human dildo”, how many subscribers would it get? Barely any, because it's clear the moderators condemn the act of sexual strategy. To what extent would those subscribers be motivated to seek out said human fleshlights? Exactly the same amount. They would just go elsewhere for advice. Wanting to get laid is wanting to get laid. It's not motivated by some deep desire to humanise peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/16 04:47 AM |
| 5 | TRP is transforming betas into alphas. Does this mean those naturally inclined to be beta have a more significant chance of reproducing?No, firstly because "alpha" and "beta" aren't real distinctions to begin with. Secondly, there's no "ought" in evolution. Finally, most of this has nothing to do with reproduction. Most TRPers fetishise a life with lots of casual sex. You might be onto something if TRP was the quiverful movement or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/16 06:11 AM |
| 1 | How common are incels?I'd say they're way over-represented on this board. This. Also, the archetypal "beta bucks", who TRP seems to think makes up a large percentage of men, is also vastly overrepresented on Reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/16 06:13 AM |
| 0 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sexSo. Why is any of this bad? I feel you didnt really address that, or maybe you're pro TRP? Not sure. Why wouldnt men want to be better than other men and score hot chicks? Pretty solid advertising for their sub you're doing there. I call faux-bluepiller sock puppet account. No one would be foolish enough to "argue" against TRP in a way that immediately reinforces it. Because few people other than TRPers actually believe that dedicating your life to having lots of casual sex makes you superior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/16 12:37 PM |
| 3 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sexAnything you want, so long as it rings true to you. It may well be that "fuck as many HB10s as I possibly can" is indeed your personal path to nirvana. (Although I'd be wary of believing so, just because your college bros and some guys on the internet said so). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/16 12:35 PM |
| 1 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sex"They actually say that you should derive self worth from working out, getting fit, becoming successful at your career..." I'd question that, too. Sure, those things may fulfill fundamental needs for you, but they may not either. That's not to say you shouldn't care about your fitness or your career, but it could be unhealthy to derive your self worth from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/16 09:32 AM |
| 1 | TRP is more about men wanting to feel superior to others (or less inferior about themselves) than an intrinsic desire to have more sexI think deriving a large part of your self-worth from the sex you are or aren't having is bad for you, and I think TRP perpetuates this. This is a lot subtler (and more personally relevant to me) than most TBP posts. There's a large contingent of people with views like "TRP's self improvement is fine, it's just the misogyny I'm against". I'm questioning the very heart of the reason for self-improvement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/16 08:57 AM |
| 3 | Comparing to the dating scene 50 years ago, do you think the average modern man has it harder or easier?"Me and all my socially maladjusted nerdy friends find it hard to date. Therefore, it's harder for almost all men". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/16 01:23 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The overall online dating population is roughly as attractive as the general populationI mostly agree, even though as a BPer it would be self-serving to disagree in order to dispute the 80/20 OkCupid factoid. I would say that the main skew in online dating is towards introverts, people with eclectic preferences, and others who don't like/find it difficult to find partners via traditional socialising. (It may well be these people tend to be less attractive, although I would think it skews a bit more "unconventional" than "unattractive" per se). If you socialise a lot and have very … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/16 12:12 AM |
| 1 | CMV: For all it's paranoia about women's sexual history, TRP acts like it wants to catch a social disease.Precisely. This is a big reason for the whole "alpha/beta" dichotomy. It's not enough to enjoy casual sex, they want to feel superior for doing so (to others and/or their past, "beta" selves). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/16 08:40 PM |
| 4 | Q4 RP men: If 24 is the wall for LTR and 30 the wall for any relationship how do women have it easier?I'm no Chad, but I tried an experiment on Tinder where I tried to see how many girls would respond positively to a suggestive opener. Percentage wise, it wasn't that high, but certainly enough that I'd have little problem racking up a huge n-count if I wanted to and had low standards. But I don't want to. Somewhat paradoxically, I became less interested in the idea after the experiment. I think it's because it helped me de-pedestalise sex. The notion that all men just want sex with as many women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/16 09:37 PM |
| 1 | Should every man try to be alpha?I agree, and also I think it's worth taking a deep, long look at what you really want in your life. For instance, until recently, I more or less agreed with a lot of the less-controversial RP ideas on self-improvement even as I found the community as a whole toxic. I wanted to make myself as attractive as possible and have a huge amount of casual sex. But I've come to realise that was due to tying far too much of my self-worth into sex, and that sex really isn't that big a deal. By reframing cas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/16 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Why isn't there a nice girls reddit?I'd say it's more like: being a scumbug is usually a negative, but there are enough women for which it is either a small negative or occasionally a positive that it won't kill your chances, provided you have other attractive traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/16 12:17 AM |
| 7 | It's not promiscuity that makes you unstable and unreliable, it's usually the oppositeAnd the thing about that is: by the time that you know about how promiscuous a woman is, you should also know a lot about her personality (assuming you've been paying attention and aren't just treating her as a sexthing, which may be too much to ask of some people). To be concerned about the correlation then would like being concerned that your black friend may be a crack dealer, because after all, blacks are statistically more likely to be crack dealers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/16 11:35 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Your competition is the strongest factor in determining your SMV or attractivenessIt's certainly an important factor, though I wouldn't say it's the most important. It's just one of many issues with trying to sum up attractiveness with a single numerical figure. I have experimented with this myself, via FakeGPSing on Tinder. I did very poorly in Miami and Las Vegas, but well in places like Boston or in Asia. I do think part of that is weaker competition, but some is also "niche" or "compatibility" preference, in which e.g. a hipster-ish girl is more likely to match me than a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/16 11:49 PM |
| 6 | Both pills: do you have any beliefs that would be downvoted on your respective subreddit?I think employer discrimination has a trivial impact on the gender pay gap. That's not to say that I don't think there's no issue with there being a pay gap, but I think those issues are more like "social pressures to conform to gender norms" than "employers are just throwing money away because they're bigoted". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/16 10:19 PM |
| 1 | Worst With Women OlympicsEveryone knows that only 6'2" ripped white millionaires with model faces can ever get girls that aren't >300lbs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/16 08:27 AM |
| 1 | (discussion) Where/how have you met the people you have dated/been with etc.?Well I suppose the point is that your baseline may have been so easy that it didn't really matter what you did so long as people could find out you existed. Blogging may in fact be a pretty terrible way of getting sex, but all you needed was something less terrible than nothing at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/16 02:56 AM |
| 1 | (discussion) Where/how have you met the people you have dated/been with etc.?If I were to put on my Red Pill hat, I'd say "That's because you're a vagina-owner, I doubt it'd work nearly as well for a straight cis male". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/16 02:24 AM |
| 1 | (discussion) Where/how have you met the people you have dated/been with etc.?Wait, that's a real thing? So I read through enough of your blog posts, odds are I'd come across a commentator who has had (or will someday have) sex with you? Interesting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/16 02:16 AM |
| 1 | CMV: You cannot just arbitrarily set your own SMV. If a male 5 can't get a female 2, he is not a 5.Well, Tinder and other online dating is quite distinct from real life. If you have good pictures, a good profile and are good at writing messages, you'll probably do better than in real life, especially if you're a bit awkward or slow on your feet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/16 12:07 PM |
| 2 | CMV: You cannot just arbitrarily set your own SMV. If a male 5 can't get a female 2, he is not a 5.Well, you don't really need to do any of that for Tinder. All you need is to get right-swiped (which is admittedly tricky for a non-photogenic guy). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/16 11:40 AM |
| 3 | CMV: You cannot just arbitrarily set your own SMV. If a male 5 can't get a female 2, he is not a 5.It's quite possible that is very hard for an average man to get laid (in the sense of casual sex). But casual sex isn't actually that common! It gets a massively disproportionate amount of attention here, but really, most people just go through a handful of relationships until they find someone they want to marry. The alpha players, the CC-riding women, the incels - they're all very much minorities that nonetheless get a ton of attention here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/16 11:32 AM |
| 8 | CMV: The issue with female dating advice is not that's incorrect, but that it's entirely geared toward commitment and what's advantageous to the woman."Get laid" in this context means "get casual sex". The casual sex market is a lot smaller and differs considerably from the relationship market. So yes, it's entirely possible a guy might fail in one but succeed in the other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/16 12:38 AM |
| 22 | CMV: You cannot just arbitrarily set your own SMV. If a male 5 can't get a female 2, he is not a 5.Even though I find the whole concept of "SMV" as defined by RPers to be problematic at best, I'll bite. I think the point they're trying to make is that supposedly, women who would rank lowly in a percentile rating of all women can nonetheless still get sex with a man of a comparatively higher percentile rating of all men. It's just another way of rehashing "women can get casual sex easier than men" for the 2000th time. The complaint would still work if you assigned women higher SMVs to correct … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/16 11:40 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Female celibacy is entirely different than being a male incel, and should never be compared to male incels.You might be a 7 to some people. Preferences differ a lot! That's partially why SMV is flawed to begin with. Being good-looking doesn't mean literally everyone "beneath you" in looks must automatically want you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/16 11:37 AM |
| 2 | [Q4BP] How often did your male single friends get laid last month?Maybe one or both groups will lie about their friends to further their narrative(s). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/16 11:22 PM |
| 7 | [Q4BP] How often did your male single friends get laid last month?But the results will still be useless, at least if every single RP response to any empirical evidence presented against their beliefs remains consistent here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/16 10:19 PM |
| 12 | [Q4BP] How often did your male single friends get laid last month?Didn't we "establish" that even anonymous self-reported data by professional researchers regarding sexuality was useless because "people lie"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/16 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Discussing SMV as I understand it.Huh? You improve yourself in ways consistent with raising your attractiveness to others. Just like any other market, if no one is buying what you're selling, you have to do some combination of improving your product, improving your marketing and sales tactics, or dropping your price. I have no idea where you think the only solution would be to become a manipulative asshole... Something resembling "SMV" can be useful in the pre-dating, "search" phase. Once you've already established that you're a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Discussing SMV as I understand it.I certainly believe that there is a lot of common ground in what is generally found attractive. That is obvious. My point is that except for this initial "searching" stage, this doesn't matter very much. If you find your wife hot, that's enough. It may well be lots of other guys find her hot, it may well be that you have a unique taste - but ultimately, given that you're together, it doesn't matter. (Unless, of course, you're playing some power game holding the threat of divorce over her head). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Blue Pill, do you agree with the idea that muscular men have more partners over time than average men?I did say that it likely helps. Just that there are confounding factors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill, do you agree with the idea that muscular men have more partners over time than average men?Oh I'm by no means saying that guys who don't lift are all eunuchs. Just that lifting correlates with a bunch of other factors that would have seen those guys get laid more even if they lost their muscles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Discussing SMV as I understand it.If you are an ugly dude and some beautiful girl is very interested in you out of nowhere, there is big chance that there is an ulterior motive. There is a lot of abuse potential because of that power differential. Maybe. It's also possible she doesn't care much about looks and you're very attractive to her in some other way. It shouldn't take too long to find out if she's likely genuine. And if she is, being "aware of the SMV dynamic" is just going to make you jealous and insecure. Most people d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 11:43 AM |
| 1 | Discussing SMV as I understand it."Operate within its parameters" sounds synonymous to me with "applying" the concept, at least by my intent. What way can you "operate within its parameters" without being a manipulative asshole? There's one way I can think of: in the early dating and pre-dating stage, you need to optimise your efforts, and it pays to consider whether competition for the people you're trying to hit on, and also what image you project likewise. OKCupid covers something akin to this when they show how women who get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 07:39 AM |
| 1 | Discussing SMV as I understand it.There's nothing wrong with acknowledging the existence of value (although I think it's far more subjective than most RPers think). It's just that even if SMV is an entirely accurate tool for describing the "SMP", it's very likely a bad idea to apply to your actual relationships. A hyper-rational approach is not likely the best path to happiness. Witness: the happiest marriages are between couples who are delusional about their partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 05:20 AM |
| 8 | Blue Pill, do you agree with the idea that muscular men have more partners over time than average men?It likely helps, but there's a confounding factor in that the guys who work out are more likely to have been the type to prioritise casual sex (i.e. that may have been why they were lifting to begin with). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 05:01 AM |
| 2 | Discussing SMV as I understand it.I think subjective SMV is the key to having good relationship happiness I think "treating people like commodities who have market value" is a key to poor relationship happiness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/16 04:41 AM |
| 8 | American VS European SMP - is there a difference?Men have higher obesity rates than women, so this explanation makes no sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 10:46 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers see the dating world in a deeply skewed manner due to too much internet useBut we don't even see evidence of "alpha fucks" there. Just roughly equal numbers of promiscuous men and women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 11:37 AM |
| 5 | Redpillers see the dating world in a deeply skewed manner due to too much internet useWhile I agree with your general point, I'm skeptical of one thing: Excluding men in a long term relationship, I would say the vast majority of men (I'd say at least 85%) spend their youth having casual sex. The same statistics that disprove the 80/20 rule, as well as other stats that I've seen, don't mesh with that assertion. Not all that many people (both men and women) have casual sex, especially lots of it. The median person has around half a dozen partners in their lifetime and are roughly 5… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 11:17 AM |
| 1 | Redpillers see the dating world in a deeply skewed manner due to too much internet useEven if the OkCupid study was an accurate reflection of real life (and there are a few reasons it may not be, plus OkCupid has published other statistics that conflict with RP ideas), that proves nothing about an "80/20 rule". Ratings on an online dating site don't say anything about the distribution of sex. Being rated slightly below average overall doesn't make you an incel, and being rated slightly above average doesn't make you Chad Thundercock. Actual statistics show no evidence of anything… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/16 11:14 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Women calling men that they dated/slept with assholes is what created the "assholes get the girls" mythThat, and a few other reasons: a) Sour grapes b) Formative experiences in high school, where most people are assholes in some way c) Mistaking confidence for assholery The stereotypical superior neckbeard is one of the biggest assholes around, and he's certainly not getting laid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:52 AM |
| 2 | Rate how much success each male will have in the American dating market.Who will have the most success in TRP "have sex with lots of girls" way? Probably #4 or #2, with #2 probably a bit more quantity over quality (that is, his ugly face might limit him from scoring with very attractive girls, but his lifestyle seems like it'll suit going after a stream of average-to-decent girls). Who will have the most success in a "life satisfaction" way? It could really be any of them. The less conventionally attractive/"beta" guys might find a girlfriend that they are deeply in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/16 06:48 AM |
| 3 | Does the average male in modern western society get laid?At least based on the survey results referenced in my above post, it's not super common (other than in the "honeymoon" phase of a relationship). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/16 10:09 AM |
| 4 | Does the average male in modern western society get laid?More than 50% of women don't either. The numbers break down similarly (see my reply to AutoModerator). And what is it with this "biological duty" nonsense? For one, you can have plenty of children despite not having sex for the majority of the weeks of your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/16 07:24 AM |
| 4 | Does the average male in modern western society get laid?There is no cutoff, because "Forever Alone" is just a (destructive) state of mind. It's all about what makes you happy. There are very happy virgin monks, very happy guys who may not be virgins but haven't much sex because they don't prioritise it, and guys that have sex five times a week that still feel like they're not "alpha" enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/16 07:21 AM |
| 6 | Does the average male in modern western society get laid?Not sure why this is a "Question for RedPill" exclusively? Surely we could use surveys? Here's a detailed one from Ireland which breaks down a lot of the numbers. 30% of men report having sex 1-2 times a week, 14% report 3+ times a week. Only 7% of the sexually active (which was the vast majority of respondents) had not had sex in the last year. There was little difference between men and women. Whatever limitations these surveys have, there's just no evidence at all that some men are having far… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/16 07:16 AM |
| 3 | These are the kind of things that drive men to TRPNo-one is driven to TRP because of someone's opinions (especially not on PPD, lol). They're driven to TRP because they're struggling with women and it appears to offer them answers and a supportive community. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 06:26 AM |
| 3 | CMV: certain unattractive traits a man might have would actually be attractive if he were a woman, or at least have no penalty on attractivenessThese pretty much all fall under the banner of "submissive traits", which are traditionally and stereotypically considered feminine. You could perform basically the same exercise with the genders reversed for "dominant traits". An aggressive man is an "alpha", but an aggressive woman is a "bitch". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 05:01 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?That's just one (particularly egregious) example. But any situation where you don't see people as individuals and just modestly varying interchangeable sexthings is commoditising them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 04:56 AM |
| 8 | CMV: women are only attracted to one type of man, just of different flavors. Men, on the other hand, are attracted to a wide variety of traitsI can't find them at the moment, but I recall people have posted several studies showing that women have a greater variety of tastes than men do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 04:50 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?The notion of "SMV" when applied to people is an example of it. There's a sense of entitlement among some RPers that just they have traits X, Y and Z which are "high SMV", they deserve a women of similar "SMV", and if none are interested in them, it's because they're hypergamous and want a man of higher SMV than them. The idea of "chemistry" or "compatibility" seems lost on them, it's almost as if they think matchmaking should be like a bid/ask based on "SMV". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 04:36 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?SMP - it's true that dating can be modeled as a type of market, but it's quite distinct from most other markets and so a lot of conclusions from those markets can't be applied here. Also, even if it's okay to analyse it in the abstract, you're a massive douche if you start treating actual people like commodities. The others - pretty much the same as TheChemist158. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 01:42 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyI wouldn't disagree if that was all it was. In my experience, though, "don't ask fish for advice" is often used to summarily dismiss women's opinions and elevate the opinions of the "fishermen" (i.e. fellow Red Pillers). A more rational approach is to be aware of the biases of everyone, including so-called "fishermen", as well as acknowledging their unique perspective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 01:23 AM |
| 8 | Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?Are single mothers really sleeping around with "alphas"? The definition of "alpha" seems amorphous enough that I've seen it applied to just about anyone who isn't a stereotypical nerd and who has sex with women, but I don't think so. I don't think single mothers are women who are having unprotected one night stands with tall, muscular men. They're mostly women of lower socioeconomic status who have relationships with men of a lower socioeconomic status, who for various reasons (e.g. lack of know… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 12:48 AM |
| 5 | Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?They exist to some degree, but are vastly exaggerated, generalised and oversimplified by RPers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 12:28 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyThen you'd be terrible at making ads/videogames/insert any product that is ever focused tested ever. Correct! So you might wonder why I think TRP is bad advice? So why do you think these companies hire ad firms instead of just hire Joe Schmos for focus group testing? Do you think they enjoy spending money? Because ad firms do, to some degree, take into account the results of focus groups and surveys. If they just said "Well, you know people lie all the time, so we'll just fall back on our precon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/16 12:18 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyIf 90% of polled Joes think the ad was awful and said it made them significantly less likely to buy the product, maybe you should listen to them. If an advertising firm were informed of such a poll and said "Nah, let's go ahead anyway, people don't know what they want", I'd be really suspicious of their competence without overwhelming evidence supporting them. And if said evidence were mostly a bunch of "field reports" about how they had totally went out and created these awesome ads that the cu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/16 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Satoshi Kanazawa a modern Galileo. Scientist persecuted by the politically correct for publishing a book proving TRP.I've got nothing against prostitutes. But Kanazawa gives the impression that if you're a man interested in attracting women, you need to basically pay her. Some women are like that, yes. They're not the type of women I'm interested in today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/16 01:53 PM |
| 2 | Satoshi Kanazawa a modern Galileo. Scientist persecuted by the politically correct for publishing a book proving TRP.Satoshi Kanazawa is partially to blame for a number of damaging beliefs I held in the early 2010s. He was big on the idea that women are basically just prostitutes that men implicitly pay for sex with - which is basically just an especially chauvinistic theory of beta bucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/16 01:12 PM |
| 3 | I'm a sort of feminist guy wondering if I can be myselfIf I don't lose my virginity by the time i'm 20 i'm at least going to harm myself, and I figured this is the best place to post about this for feedback. No, it's just about the worst place. There are other subreddits, but if you're thinking of self-harm, you should seriously be considering getting off the internet and finding a therapist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/16 05:28 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyNo. But women aren't fans, they're more akin to players on the team. And I'd trust a player with no coaching experience over a coach whose coaching theories came from a website that advocated treating the players like shit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:49 AM |
| 3 | Mojo is realIt seemed to be a combination of humour, and general wit and charm. He was very smooth and always had clever retort, but he never studied game, or red pill. That's basically all game is. Humour and charm. It's dressed up as "game" by the manosphere to appeal to nerds who then perceive it as a literal game they can win or hack. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:41 AM |
| 0 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyThe fish knows what bait it will be most tempted by, and when. I'm sure my Dad, a keen fisherman, would love it if fish would tell him that. He has a decent idea, but he'd catch a lot more fish with that information. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:35 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyjust kick the ball into the net better LOL. I would give a lot more weighting to a woman's view on this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:28 AM |
| 3 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyMen are realizing that despite being nice and presentable and having a decent job and whatever else women throw out as what they want, they aren't getting women. Who is the Official Spokeswoman for the Female Gender that came out with that press release? I mean, I'm not denying that some women give bad advice, some lie, some temper their statements out of social desirability bias. What I am objecting to is that idea that women's statements of what they want should be given no weighting whatsoeve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:22 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyI fully concede that people often don't fully understand their own preferences. What I am objecting to is the idea that people (women in this case) have absolutely no idea of their own preferences. It's the premise that when a woman says "I'm deeply attracted to my beta boyfriend", then a RPer pipes up "Nope, AWALT, you're an alpha widow hamstering away the fact you only want your beta for his bux", we should... trust the RPer. Because he's the fisherman. Or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 04:16 AM |
| 2 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyThis. Some people might misread me as saying the exact opposite, that you should listen solely to women's dating advice. Far from it. Just that maybe you should give a weighting to it greater than zero. (I'm a "him" btw). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 12:37 AM |
| 3 | CMV: "Don't ask fish for advice on catching fish, ask a fisherman" is a flawed analogyEven if it were true that women strongly prefer "naturals" (and I have my doubts), this seems far too Machiavellian to be plausible, especially when it's strangers on the internet. If a woman is asked on a pseudonymous internet forum "What traits do you find attractive in a man?" is she really going to think "Well, I do like dominant men, but I better not say I do, because it might result in an imperceptible increase in the number of men trying to learn dominance and make it harder for me to fin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/16 12:00 AM |
| 2 | How much does height actually matter to women?Don't ask a fish because a) fish really don't want to be caught and b) fish can't talk. A more apt analogy would be "Don't ask fish buyers what they want, ask other fish sellers". Yeah, the fish sellers might have in-depth sales data and the fish buyers might have a poor understanding of why they buy what they buy. But then again, maybe the fish sellers don't have very sales good data, only unreliable anecdotal evidence. Maybe the fish sellers are selling lobster in Maine and you're trying to se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 10:05 PM |
| 3 | How much does height actually matter to women?Also, from the same article, the number of lifetime sex partners based on height. Again, it's possible that the taller men have more attractive sex partners. But it's still somewhat striking to me that 5'2" guys report ~8 lifetime partners while 6'0" guys report ~10 (with gains flatlining after that). If you were to believe the /r/short crowd, you'd think the figure would be less than 1 for the shortest guys and 30+ for the taller guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 09:46 PM |
| 1 | PSA: Definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" since no one (including the RPers) seem to be able to specify what it isIt's not sad to compete. It's sad to consider yourself intrinsically superior because you competed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 02:04 AM |
| 2 | PSA: Definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" since no one (including the RPers) seem to be able to specify what it isThey're just not bragging. They're basing their very self worth on it. It's not much different from playing a sport and thinking your performance in that sport is the only barometer of your self-worth, and that you're superior to people who aren't interested in competing hard. Well, if they are having casual sex - if they're speaking the truth - with young, attractive women doesn't that make them part of the 20% of men? Maybe... for people who define themselves only by the attractiveness of the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 01:31 AM |
| 2 | PSA: Definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" since no one (including the RPers) seem to be able to specify what it isYes, they want to get laid. They also want to be told they're super special superior specimens for getting laid, and the more they get laid, the more special they are. Normal people have sex because it's fun and/or for pair-bonding. They don't talk about how having sex makes them an alpha Chad top 20% male, and how their high "n-count" makes them a "stud". Only guys who have a big complex about sex (usually from not having any) care about that. I know, because that used to be me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 01:13 AM |
| 1 | PSA: Definition of "Alpha" and "Beta" since no one (including the RPers) seem to be able to specify what it isIn my view, when used by RPers (and let's be honest, it's almost always RPers who use the term when describing humans), "Alpha" and "Beta" aren't really about soberly categorising people. It's all about themselves. The terminology implies a hierarchy. They're not lifting and chatting up girls just because sex is fun. Much of it is about convincing themselves that they are now SUPERIOR ALPHA MALES. They're better than the guys who aren't putting in lots of effort to get casual sex. They're better… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/16 12:34 AM |
| 3 | If a man got a super high n count by combining low standards and prostitution, is it still admirable?It's a closer equivalent to being a decent amateur sprinter. Yeah, with a good amount of effort (and genetics helps), you can get a "score" that is better than the vast majority of people. A fair number of people may be mildly impressed, but they mostly don't care very much because they're not interested in becoming the fastest sprinters. Only fellow sprinters care all that much. That wouldn't be so bad if that was all there was to it. If, however, they all posted on a sprinter forum, where they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/16 01:56 AM |
| 1 | Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introvertsIt probably goes without saying, but your pictures on Tinder, especially the first, should be as good as possible. Like, worth spending a chunk of time and money to get it just right, should success on it be important to you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 11:25 PM |
| 2 | What would you think of this strategy for lower SMV women?I've got an even better idea. Maybe she should try to find a man that she is mutually compatible with. This will probably end up being a man of similar physical attractiveness, but maybe not. It's an ingenious idea if I say so myself. Maybe I should write a book on it, I'd make millions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:33 PM |
| 7 | If a man got a super high n count by combining low standards and prostitution, is it still admirable?No-one actually admires a man's high n-count other than TRPers and those with similarly adolescent mindsets. Casual sex can be fun, and if counting your partners makes it an interesting game for you, go for it. However, it doesn't make you the superior alpha you think you are. It's just a recreational activity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introvertsMaybe she was telling the truth and there wasn't any chemistry. Or maybe you were awkward or whatever, but she was just being polite about it. If they know what you look like from photos, why would physical attractiveness be a dealbreaker? What kind of woman goes on a date with a guy she knew from the start that she wouldn't be able to go on further with on physical grounds? One possible advantage of Tinder in this regard is its very superficiality. Your main photo is the very first thing they s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introvertsThanks for the advice on Tinder, I had kind of assumed it was a meat market, but I might give it a go at some point. To be fair, it is to a degree. You shouldn't be disheartened if you don't get very many matches. In terms of whether I'm targeting women out of my league, they certainly seem to think so! I just want someone reasonably slim (I've never been a pound overweight), reasonably pretty, reasonably smart and who is employed and not destitute. Is that unreasonable? It certainly seems unrea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 02:24 AM |
| 1 | CMV: TRP and TBP cannot debate each other because they have very different definitions of what is considered "successful" in the dating and sex marketDo you think 5% of men are athletes in college? This is a bit like saying you must not attend yacht club meetings, because there are quite a few guys with million-plus incomes there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 01:51 AM |
| 0 | CMV: TRP and TBP cannot debate each other because they have very different definitions of what is considered "successful" in the dating and sex marketTRP, would consider a man who can easily go in a nightclub any night of the week, meet a HOT girl, bring her back to his place for a ONS, and has several women interested in sleeping with him at the same time, "successful with women". This is a ridiculously high threshold for success. It's like saying that you're poor if you don't make $1,000,000 a year (and there are probably more men making $1,000,000 a year than men who could and would do what you describe). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/16 01:41 AM |
| 8 | Female friendship is worthless unless you're Chad.Half the threads in this subreddit seem to be ”LIFE IS AWFUL UNLESS YOU ARE CHAD". I promise you, it's fine, you can stop the whole inferiority complex regarding a mythical figure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 10:57 PM |
| 1 | Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introvertsAnd then I just have to go back to square one of sending out emails, getting ignored, occasionally getting a response, emailing her for a bit, she meets someone more attractive so she stops responding, eventually I get a date, she sees me once and fucks me off...it gets a bit tiring. It becomes difficult to retain your optimism. This is where Tinder and similar apps are useful. You can talk only with women who've matched you, so you don't waste time on any lost causes. Also, the casual nature of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 07:29 AM |
| 1 | Pretty much all seduction / dating / 'manosphere' advice that I've seen is completely useless for introvertsI pretty much entirely agree with you. Indeed, I've almost finished my own post for /r/socialskills which is broadly similar to this one. It reflects a realisation I've only recently come to, which is that social success isn't a "game" you "win" by being as social as possible. ... in spite of that, this post gives off an air of defeatism. You don't sound happily introverted - rather, you sound as though you treat your introversion as like an incurable disease that other people are offering snake… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/16 01:18 AM |
| 4 | Online Dating and the Death of the 'Mixed-Attractiveness' CoupleIn this case, the data is clear that men’s preferences are much more homogenous than women’s. “There are women who 95% of men say yes to, and there’s nothing like that for men,” says McLeod. “A man is really attractive if 40% of women say yes.” This jumped out at me as a solid refutation of the "ALL WOMEN WANT CHAD, YOU MUST BE TOP 20%" RP meme, or less hyperbolically, the idea that male mate value is very easily defined and ranked. "Chad" does get a lot of women after him, so RPs think that EVE… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 11:39 PM |
| 2 | CMV: women give horrible dating and relationship advice to men. Specifically on how to get laid.This just isn't true. Swipe every fat girl on Tinder, be sexually forward, then compare the results to thinner girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 03:19 AM |
| 2 | Women are unable to take socially awkward men's problems seriouslyA better angle: strangers mostly don't care about you very much. Hopefully they don't see as vermin and wouldn't bother to lift a finger if you were dying in front of them. Hopefully your family (at least) cares about you. A random woman in a bar won't make it her personal mission to help you become less socially awkward? Yeah, you can't expect that. But I think the notion that everyone in the world is cold and uncaring is similarly unreasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/16 02:55 AM |
| 8 | CMV: women give horrible dating and relationship advice to men. Specifically on how to get laid.It's not an insurmountable problem. A large minority of men are obese and they still get laid, and most of them are shorter than you, too. Of course, losing weight would help. But you certainly don't need to be Chad to get laid (except perhaps with Chad's female equivalent). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 08:38 PM |
| 4 | CMV: TBP uses minority and outlier people to represent the majority.I misread the title as "TRP" rather than "TBP". That I think this is definitely true. The 6'2" ripped, handsome Chad Thundercock, the 30 year old wimpy beta programmer in Silicon Valley, the foreveralone incel, the super slutty Chad-chasing sorority girl - if you listened to TRP, you might infer people very similar to these archetypes make up a majority of the population. Of course, they don't, they're all very much outliers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/16 02:42 AM |
| 1 | What percent of men would have to die for men and women to have equal value in the SMP?None. There are lots of happy couples out there, you just have a warped view of society. But that's not really what you're asking, is it? Your post history is littered with these depressive threads. I saw you considered therapy? Definitely go through with it. You've got a lot of hangups that you need to overcome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/16 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What are you trying to accomplish?I feel satisfied from having written posts that I felt were interesting and well-argued. It is quite akin to creative expression. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/16 12:46 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Women use male stereotypes to weed out men for potential sexual relationships or interaction.But it's mostly not due to the model's job per se (beyond bragging rights). Take the model and geek her up and she'd still do well (and do better among geeky guys). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/16 03:15 AM |
| 1 | The issue with older women, visualizedThe Case For An Older Woman, from OkCupid Older women aren't much less attractive on average, and they score more highly on a number of factors most men would like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/16 11:52 PM |
| 3 | What are the indicators that a male is attractive (High SMV) to the general female population? Physical and beyond?EVERY WOMAN WANTS CHAD'S DICK, NO EXCEPTIONS IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE LYING OR YOU'RE BITTER YOU CAN'T GET CHAD (Did I mention how hot Chad is? He's so tall and muscular, and sexy, omg). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/16 11:30 AM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Do you sympathy towards Omega men who kill themselves?And nearly three quarters of men, according to that same source. That should skew the dating market towards non-fat men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/16 12:44 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Our gene pool has been polluted for a long time and it's only natural that a lot of men be incel.The perfect Aryans, am I right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/16 05:59 PM |
| 0 | What causes men to become RP? How did TRP come to be in the first place?As mind-boggling as it may seem, there is actually a middle ground between being a fawning lapdog and a manipulative asshole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/16 09:47 AM |
| 1 | New Theory: Early Dating Bottleneck TheoryI agree that the fantasy of marrying a 22 year old near-virgin at 35 is unrealistic, but I also think the notion that all "good girls" are snapped up by 22 is also unreasonable. Perhaps if you're defining "good girls" as religious types that get married because they feel they have to, that may be the case. But a lot of LTR-orientated women simply don't find someone compatible until relatively late. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/16 06:35 AM |
| 1 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?A little bit, sure. But the phenomenon of people lying on surveys has itself been studied, and nothing indicates that lying is massive to the degree that it would take to completely invalidate them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/16 01:34 AM |
| 1 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/strictly-casual/201404/is-casual-sex-the-rise-in-america And that's for young people, the epicentre of "hook up culture". I imagine for older people, it's far more skewed towards relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 10:56 PM |
| 4 | New Theory: Early Dating Bottleneck TheoryYawn. Aren't you 22 yourself? I've seen this thread before: "Fuck I'm old, I missed the boat and my life is over at 22". (No, it's not). Troubling language aside (talk of "sluts" getting with "urban youth"?), the key detail you're missing is that this applies just the same to the male side. For every (hetero) woman married early, a man is also being taken off the market. The number of LTR-orientated males left will also be lower. So even if we were to (dubiously) assume only 10% of the girls lef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 10:24 PM |
| 1 | Saying "provide sources/statistics/proof" in response to what someone is saying is a weak cop out and avoids real debateWhat does collectivism have to do with Truml and RP? They're both far more paleoconservative than libertarian. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 07:26 PM |
| 1 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?I thought Chad cleaned up because he was hot? Maybe being socially successful helped, but it didn't seem to matter if he was poor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 03:59 AM |
| 1 | What causes men to become RP? How did TRP come to be in the first place?cocky/funny cutting back on porn and gaming dropping from 17% to 12% body fat What do you think would happen if those were the only things you did? It seems to me that a lot of the reason for TRP "success" is mixing obvious/non-controversial shit with dumb stuff and pretending the dumb stuff made a difference. Like me, I've got an innovative new philosophy for weight loss! I eat less, exercise more, and ritualistically sacrifice a baby squirrel every night! Who are you to call me out on my ritua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 01:18 AM |
| 1 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?To a girl who looked at the profile of a pudgy, nerdy guy, whose profile likely contained hints of his autism already, and in spite of that, swiped right on him? It probably wouldn't matter that much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:58 AM |
| 2 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?Casual sex also makes up the minority of all sex, despite the fact TRP focuses heavily on it. It's a common theme - TRP loves talking about things that are uncommon or even very rare as if they're everyday occurrences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:49 AM |
| 0 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?There's two factors which can make it unattractive: a) The guy will probably be bad in bed, at least to start. b) It's a red flag for possible serious issues. So for a hookup, it's pretty unattractive. But for relationships? If there's an acceptable explanation ("I used to be really shy, but I've overcome it now") and the women can tolerate a bit of initial clumsiness, it's really not that big a deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:45 AM |
| 3 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?The top alpha males are much rarer than you think The 80th percentile man does not come close to resembling "Chad". A 5'11" dude with an average face and isn't balding or fat would exceed that threshold. That kind of guy isn't beating off women with a stick, he'll seem broadly normal. The kind of guy who is as attractive and successful as "Chad" is more likely to be well under 1% of the male population. Also, I think there's a bias towards youth when RPers think of this. If we're looking at say,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/16 12:06 AM |
| 3 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?Wait, what, the 80/20 rule is about the number of encounters now? That's one hell of a goalpost shift. So wait, Chad and Average Adam have similar numbers of sexual partners, but like... Chad gets more repeats? Or something? Even though Chad supposedly doesn't do LTRs as much? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:45 PM |
| 3 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?Also, he's almost certainly being selective in the posts he picks. He's not showing the women who ignored him or told him to fuck off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 11:42 PM |
| 0 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?To be sure, a pudgy nerd is unlikely to get many matches on Tinder, but given that the girl is nonetheless still interested in him, his virginity is probably not that big a deal (especially as it shouldn't be terribly surprising given what he looks like). If anything, it should hurt virgin Chad more, because it's more likely to be a break from expectations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:29 PM |
| 5 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?Here's a TBP thread refuting the 80/20 rule Of course, there is the totally valid criticism that all self-reported data is utterly worthless, because everyone massively lies in an unprecedented way, so the true figure is probably whatever answer you find self-serving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 10:16 PM |
| 5 | The 80/20 rule and female hypergamy; Is it really true that the top 20% of men are having lots of sex with 80% of women?RP explanation: Women want CHAAAAD so much they're willing to overlook ultra hyper omega traits like being a virgin. BP explanation: Maybe being a virgin isn't the huge deal breaker you guys think. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/16 09:07 PM |
| 1 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barIt's obvious you're trying to get us to sympathise with Jack, but he honestly seems like a shallow douche here. He's straight up ordering girls in order of physical attractiveness and going after them in that order, and anyone paying attention to him will see the game he's playing. No girl wants to seem like she was the 10th cab off the rank. Where have I moved the goalposts? It's abundantly clear I'm talking about "what makes Jack's pee-pee hard" from the get go. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/16 05:56 AM |
| 1 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barThere's "appearance" as in "what makes my pee-pee hardest" and "appearance" as in "signals of personal compatibility". When people complain about others being "shallow", they're usually referring to the former. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/16 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barIt's not just about leagues, it's about probable compatibility. It would be similar if the first girl was a "7" and the latter girl was a "6". For instance, in my Tinder experience, I'm quite a bit more likely to match a nerdy and/or outdoorsy girl than a duckfacing party girl, even if the former is more attractive (although that might be partially a matter of my tastes). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/16 05:04 AM |
| 2 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barBut they're not the same as "just find the hottest girl and then work your way down". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/16 02:11 AM |
| 2 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barBody language (especially eye contact), fashion/cultural cues, the people she's with and what she's doing. If you're a somewhat nerdy guy, then you'll probably have a much better chance with the "6" with glasses and limited makeup who's talking to her one similar-looking friend and smiles at you than the "7" with heavy makeup talking in a close-knit circle with her group of similar-looking friends. Although, if you're a somewhat nerdy guy, you probably shouldn't be bothering with most bars to be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/16 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Should paid sex count toward one's N-count?Of course, it literally does. The real question is why you're caring about the n-count in the first place. If it's because you want to "count your conquests" or something, then I suppose you can choose to count only unpaid sex if you want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/16 10:56 PM |
| 2 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barDid I say that? You can still take looks into account without just working your way down a list. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/16 10:40 PM |
| 2 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barThis sounds like a Queensland Rail poster. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/16 07:43 PM |
| 2 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barOr maybe he shouldn't just blindly hit on the very hottest girls in the room regardless of how open they seem to approaching. Or maybe he should realise that this whole game only really works for hookups, and that "romance" is unlikely to be found in a bar. And yes, hookups favour women. Deal with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/16 07:40 PM |
| 12 | Story of Jack and Jill in the barIt's obvious you're trying to get us to sympathise with Jack, but he honestly seems like a shallow douche here. He's straight up ordering girls in order of physical attractiveness and going after them in that order, and anyone paying attention to him will see the game he's playing. No girl wants to seem like she was the 10th cab off the rank. Unfortunately for Jill, it seems like she wasn't. He doesn't give a shit about her personality, he's just spamming girls in hotness order until one bites. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/16 09:55 AM |
| 0 | Why is it considered victim blaming when you suggest precautions for girls to take about not getting raped?It's okay to lecture your kid on his irresponsibility if he does something stupid that results in a minor injury. "I''m warning you, Tommy! You'll get more than a scratch if you keep skateboarding so aggressively!" It's less okay to lecture someone else who does something stupid that results in a minor injury. Shut up, nosy neighbour. You're not Tommy's mother. It's less okay to lecture your kid if he does something stupid that results in a major injury. Your kid's lying in pain on a hospital be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/16 08:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "FA" Women are lonely by choice, unlike FA men who are involuntarily lonelyIf you're a woman and lots of men are hitting on you because they just want a hookup, but you're not interested in that, this is arguably worse than having none of them at all hitting on you - it makes it so much harder to filter for the kind of guy who might be interested in a relationship. At least for men, it may be harder to get a date, but once you do, it's more likely that you have compatible desires (for sex and/or a relationship). Imagine if were the case instead that men got plenty of a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/16 02:22 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.You'll also notice that the lies are almost all mild fudgings of the truth. In fact, that's a very consistent pattern! People add another inch or two of height, a little bit more income, have slightly old pictures, etc. But I'm supposed to believe that of all attributes that men lie about, the number of sexual partners is by far the most egregious (and for some reason, it applies primarily for short guys?) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 10:55 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.That sounds like really shitty friends more than anything else. I honestly think a ton of the problems people have with friends and relationships is simply due to going with the wrong people. Friends are assholes? Cut them loose and find better friends. You're finding girls to be vapid and dull? Look for different types of girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 10:49 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.So why is the OKCupid data as it is? Are there vast numbers of liars? And if there are, it seems astonishing that they managed to lie so systematically as to create a gently upsloping line. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 08:19 PM |
| 7 | CMV: The idea that promiscuity doesn't hurt anyone is a delusion.This sounds a lot like sour grapes because girls rejected you at parties. I am not sure what it is to do with promiscuity specifically. In what ways would the absence of promiscuity benefit some people? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 07:45 PM |
| 0 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.Why I brought up relationships was that I think the main reason for the stereotype that short guys have a hard time getting laid was their relative lack of success in hook-up type environments like clubs. But relationships are where most of the sex is actually occurring. And what I think is happening is that the number of relationships you have isn't especially correlated with your attractiveness. More attractive people may have more options, but they're also pickier, and once they're in a relat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 08:07 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.That sounds eerily reminiscent of the hand-wringing about the immoral youth that has persisted for the last thousand generations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 05:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.For hooking up, perhaps, but most sex (even in college) is had in relationships, and most couples spend the majority of their time together doing other things than sex. A virgin can make up his lack of experience with other virtues. What I think is really going on with the alleged "virginity is a big negative" is more to do with with the kind of guys who end up virgins rather than the nature of virginity itself. Tim Tebow wouldn't have much problem finding an attractive wife, in spite of being a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 04:54 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.How many people's sex lives would you say you have intimate knowledge of? I mean, I certainly couldn't name a person I know for sure has had 8+ sexual partners. This is not because I don't think there are any (although I do know relatively nerdy people - perhaps you do too). OkCupid's username is fairly well-educated I believe, so I doubt it's all driven up by the working class. Really, it's just not that hard for most people to have a moderate number of partners, especially in relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 04:46 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.Well, if OkCupid (a site used primarily by young people) data is anything to go by, there's only a modest correlation between sexual partners and height. 5'2" guys report an average of 8.5 sexual partners, versus ~10 for guys over 6 feet. Yeah, it's not scientific, but it would take some extraordinary degrees of selection effects and/or lying if the true number were actually close to zero. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 04:03 AM |
| 9 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.Uh... they do exist, and if you actually look at the real world, a lot of them do have partners. In fact, there are guys who are short and obese and have facial scars that still nonetheless found partners! In fact, I'd wager that a sizeable majority of such people are not virgins. Just go to a Wal-Mart or DMV-esque place, there are quite a few such people walking (or scooting) round, accompanied by a wife. I'd wager that mental issues like anxiety or depression are far more correlated with virgi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 01:46 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Most incels are not destined to be doomed, they fall into a ditch early in life.[Reposting as the comment I was replying to was deleted for some reason. Paraphrasing it: "incels are mostly socially awkward and then go on to psych themselves out over something that isn't really that big a deal for most people, but makes them seem weirder"). Pretty much this. (Although linked to social skills, I'd also emphasise a lack of socialising in general). I'd also like to soapbox that TRP likely makes the "psyching out" worse with their insistence that all women find male virginity an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/16 01:40 AM |
| 7 | RP men: what do you have to offer?Love, companionship and intimacy seem conspicuously absent from this thread. Sure, those are "beta", "nice guy" traits, but I get a strong sense a lot of RP guys think of themselves as just offering "8.432564 SMV points", as if they're just commodities. Then when female with 8.2563731 SMV points rejects him, it must be hyyyyyyypergamy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/16 08:20 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Dating in your mid 20s and beyond sucks.It sounds as though you've got an extreme fear of ageing/fetishism of youth. I can understand it - you're 22 and worried about your youth ending. But you're taking it a ridiculous extent. I've never heard anyone say that men peak at 20 (unless they were gay guys into twinks or something like that). Many guys that age are very baby-faced, still have acne and can't grow facial hair for shit. That described me then, hell, it just about describes me now at 26. As for women, OKCupid's The Case for an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 11:47 PM |
| 6 | Does male sexual objectification in the media lead to women having unrealistic expectations of men?Nope, because Chad dates 72 women at a time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 04:56 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Dating in your mid 20s and beyond sucks.This is not remotely true. Maybe after 30 it's somewhat true, but even then there are still a good number of women who aren't looking for anything serious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 04:55 AM |
| 1 | How does someone ascertain their SMV?But there's no currency in the dating market, nor is there even buying and selling. There's only matching. You can objectively list the price something sold for. How can you do the same for a SMV? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 04:33 AM |
| 1 | How does someone ascertain their SMV?Some women would marry him for the money. Extremely few would have a one night stand with him over the male model. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 04:13 AM |
| 2 | How does someone ascertain their SMV?Yes, and it's fucking stupid. A Danny DeVito lookalike is not going to do better than a male model with such alpha behaviour as "trying to look distracted all the time" and "not excusing himself to go to the bathroom". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 03:53 AM |
| 11 | CMV: Dating in your mid 20s and beyond sucks.You seem to think the only value in dating is novelty and physical attraction. Yes, they're good, but there are other things that come with age, like maturity and experience. And even if good new things aren't coming, love, companionship and physical intimacy are still very much worthwhile. And anyway, I think you're overestimating how quickly novelty and looks deteriorate. There are always more sexual positions, more places to do it, more ways to roleplay. And your thoughts on ageing are laugha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/16 03:45 AM |
| 6 | Does male sexual objectification in the media lead to women having unrealistic expectations of men?The average guy has dated what, 5-10 women? Adjust for a propensity to tell self-serving stories and a possible focus on isolated, unrepresentative incidents and maybe you're left with 5-10% of women being genuinely nasty people. That would not be surprising to me. I imagine a group of women would have similar stories about guys they've dated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/16 10:52 PM |
| 9 | Does male sexual objectification in the media lead to women having unrealistic expectations of men?They're men who have largely had unusually bad experiences with women, who disproportionately upvote the most shockingly bad stories. If your lesson from that is that women are bad partners, you may as well conclude that men are rapists from reading a rape survivor forum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/16 09:59 PM |
| 10 | Does male sexual objectification in the media lead to women having unrealistic expectations of men?I am sure manosphere stories are drawn from a totally representative distribution of all men's experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/16 09:36 PM |
| 3 | How does someone ascertain their SMV?This can vary a ton based on your location. I tried out FakeGPS and got a huge number of matches in Boston and very few in Miami. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/16 11:37 AM |
| 2 | How does someone ascertain their SMV?Lol, this test gives you far more points for being a sociopathic weirdo than it does for being a male model. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/16 11:32 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The majority preference is the best indicator for what's considered the most attractive.Can you cite some actual examples? I don't think anyone is saying that short chubby guys have as many options as tall ripped guys on average, but rather that tall ripped guys aren't automatically superior to short chubby guys in the eyes of every women, as quite a few RPers seem to think. Also, when I'm talking niches, it's not about finding women who have (say) a short chubby guy fetish - that's very rare. It's about having other attractive traits and focusing on women who really like those tra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/16 10:20 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The majority preference is the best indicator for what's considered the most attractive.My point is the probability of finding that one person may be immensely small. Such as my example of a student who flunked high school getting into Harvard. Maybe... but that's a really extreme case. When we talk about the variability of preferences in attractiveness, it's usually a counter to RPers saying stuff like "ALL women want a 6'4" ripped douchebro". The 5'4" fat nice guy with a hot girlfriend isn't brought up to try to prove that there's no pattern at all in what women generally find at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/16 08:30 AM |
| 1 | CMV: women cannot be attracted to overweight men at all, no matter whatThere are stories that fit literally every narrative you can think of. However, the vast bulk of the evidence suggests that people who improve themselves are more successful. Hell, a lot of people don't ever try to improve and still do OK. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/16 08:15 AM |
| 3 | CMV: women cannot be attracted to overweight men at all, no matter whatPlease, get help now. /r/depression, /r/suicidewatch | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/16 03:17 AM |
| 5 | did Disney movies create false expectations in kids about love and romance?Between this and the complaints about "just be yourself", there seem to be an awful lot of threads whining about how children's movies and the advice your grandmother gives you aren't gritty, harsh truths. No fucking shit. Jemaine Clement puts it well: “I notice criticism that even though the movies show favelas and have a homeless orphaned character, they don’t go far enough portraying the poverty in Brazil. Fair point, perhaps they could also address Britain’s startling amphetamine abuse probl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/16 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Why are (some) men so concerned with who and how many men an adult woman sleeps with?Lol @ PUAhate being "Blue Pill". They were more like MTGOW. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/16 08:02 PM |
| 2 | The Case for Sexual and Romantic EntitlementI wonder why? Could it be that those images have a tendency to get shared among anti-feminists? My guess is that feminism is mostly uncorrelated with physical attractiveness, although it is very likely correlated with alternative aesthetics some may not find as attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/16 07:43 PM |
| 10 | Blue Pill, why do you rarely ever see a female doctor married to a male garbage man?How much of that is due to there being fewer higher earning women to begin with? If all the female CEOs married a male CEO, there'd still be a lot of male CEOs left over, so they'd need to find someone else to marry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/02/16 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Can certain sexual experiences invalidate the whole Beta Alpha thing? A personal story open for discussion...Because "alphas" are more of a male fantasy (particularly a RP one) than a female fantasy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/16 10:50 PM |
| 13 | CMV: Women like the reality of an incredibly muscular man more than they like the idea of oneYou're the male equivalent of a woman with enormous breasts. Such a woman is going to get stared at a lot, and if weren't considered creepy, would have tons of guys wanting to compliment and touch the breasts (and even now, that wouldn't deter many men). That would in no way be inconsistent with a poll showing that men preferred more modest sized breasts. Novelty value is huge, especially in public, when it takes a lot to get people to stray away from doing what they normally do, which is ignore… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/16 07:16 PM |
| 6 | Discussion: Guys, how many have you have had a variant on this "Just Be Yourself" talk? BP and women, how do you respond?That's by no means unique to women. I know of some certain subreddits where men tell wrong things to other men in order to make them feel better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/16 11:23 AM |
| -1 | CMV: TRP overemphasises lifting, when for most people there are more efficient ways of improving your attractiveness that TRP doesn't emphasise enoughDid you read anything of what I said? Obviously you didn't. What did I miss that was important? Do you think that you won't gain any confidence if you could suddenly look a lot better in just one day? Sure, maybe the gain won't last as long, but that's a feature, not a bug - it's because you only need to do it once! Bullshit. Lift a box, lift a shovel, lift a child, lift your significant other and carry her into the bedroom. You need physical strength for all. This comment is full of such bullsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/16 11:05 AM |
| -3 | CMV: TRP overemphasises lifting, when for most people there are more efficient ways of improving your attractiveness that TRP doesn't emphasise enoughTRP pushes lifting because it is the biggest variable to apply overall positive change in the majority of TRP-reader's SMV. Period. TRP also advocates lifting more than anything else because 90% of new TRP readers DON'T DO IT. Lifting applies more long-lasting and overall improvement to confidence than anything else can provide. A haircut will not give you long-lasting permanent confidence. A new suit will not give you a six-pack. You've never heard of makeovers giving people confidence? Or peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/16 09:32 AM |
| 1 | Why do so many men assume that if/when a woman rejects a man, it’s because she is holding out for someone with a higher SMV?I agree that there are market forces of sorts governing dating. However, I think trying to quantify this with a single number and taking that number seriously can lead to all sorts of errors, such as those described in the OP. As you said, there is no currency, but probably most importantly there is only matching, not trading. If 10℅ of women rate me a 9/10 and 90℅ rate me a 2/10, is my SMV higher or lower than a guy who gets rated from 4-6 by nearly every women? What if I don't like any of the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/16 08:08 PM |
| 3 | Why do so many men assume that if/when a woman rejects a man, it’s because she is holding out for someone with a higher SMV?It doesn't sound like you fundamentally disagree with the OP, the premise of which is basically "people have different preferences, so a rejection may imply more about preferences than believing that you're "too good" for the other person". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/16 07:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: If a man is short, he's pretty much invisible to women, and is bound to be doomed in dating market.Reposting: OKCupid on height Do taller guys get more messages and have more sex partners? Yes. But it's a modest advantage. The average 5'6" guy on OKCupid has had nine sexual partners, the average 6'0" guy has had ten (and beyond 6'0" there are no further gains). The average 5'6" guy gets two unsolicited messages a week, the average 6'0" guy three. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/16 08:03 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: If feminists are constantly expanding the definition of sexual harassment and promoting rape culture, yet women (esp. young women) very rarely approach, how are men supposed to get dates?1/40 is not bad for a guy on Tinder. Quite a few guys have almost zero matches despite months of swiping. That's enough to get a few matches a day, assuming you're not regularly running out of profiles, and you only need one of them to really click with you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/16 01:19 AM |
| 6 | CMV: Men underestimate the attractiveness of womenThis is basically "women desire casual sex less than men" rehashed for the 863rd time. RPers constantly harp on about how this proves hypergamy or whatever, but if you look at relationships, men and women tend to match with those of relatively similar attractiveness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/16 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What do you think a good sub for men to discuss sexual strategy would look like?/r/LetsGetLaid exists, though I haven't read that much into it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/16 09:19 AM |
| 4 | For those of us who, despite our genuine best efforts, are unable to get a GF...is it better is simply become complacent than adopt RP tactics?You're probably not as physically unattractive as you think. Try /r/amiugly. There are tons of totally normal and even good looking people posting there who have convinced themselves that they're ugly when they're not at all. And even those who don't look so good often have very fixable problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/16 09:19 AM |
| 6 | Q4BP: Why do you believe in a cluster-type model of dating, sex, and attraction?It's roughly correct that people have "types" and tend to match up when their idiosyncratic attractions match up, but #2 is certainly not true all the time. For one thing, the rejection could have been due to a myriad of reasons even though they were compatible on paper - maybe the woman was in a bad mood, maybe the man made a faux pas in his approach that he could have avoided. Secondly, there are certainly ways in which self-improvement can improve attractiveness, even if it is only specific t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/16 09:15 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Why do you believe in a linear-scale model of dating and sexual dynamics?I agree that you should focus on people who are your "type", with the caveat that it's not necessarily a case of finding a clone of yourself. For instance, the girls who really like ripped guys aren't necessarily fit themselves, indeed a lot of "fit" girls are into cycling or whatever and would probably be more into a slim cyclist than a weightlifter. I'd say the demographic most into ripped guys would be party girls into makeup and fashion, and who are open to casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/16 09:00 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men and Women have fundamentally different ways of measuring attractivenessHow many Fortune 500 CEOs marry bimbos? There may be a couple, but the vast majority I've seen usually have wives of a reasonably similar age who are accomplished in their own right. Basically zero marry 21 year old strippers. (The closest example I can think of is Anna Nicole Smith's octogenarian husband). I'm not so sure basketball players marry bimbos either, but when they do, it may be because the "bimbo" matches them personality-wise. Maybe they're both unintelligent, narcissistic and mater… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/16 12:12 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Men and Women have fundamentally different ways of measuring attractivenessa) Are they really all going for bimbos? Perhaps you're just stereotyping many women for the way they look, and/or ignoring counter-examples. b) What's to say the males who do go for bimbos aren't "male bimbos" themselves? They could simply be finding the most compatible partner for themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/16 08:05 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Why are women entitled to alimony?Because a major implicit form of compensation in a career is experience that builds your human capital, i.e. future earning potential. Alimony is an (albeit imperfect) way of splitting human capital as you would any other asset. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/16 10:38 AM |
| 3 | What should the legal age of consent be?I like "Romeo and Juliet" style exemptions for young partners with a universal age at 18. Ideally (although it might be a bit convoluted to be practical), the maximum age range would extend each year, approximating the "Half your age + 7" rule. Perhaps: 14 year olds up to a year older, 15 two years, 16 three years, 17 four years, 18 unlimited. Basically, I think teenagers having sex with other is usually okay, but there's net harm in letting (say) 16 year olds have much older partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/16 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Most men on the manosphere equate being incel to not getting 6+ white womenBecause muscles are only a tiny portion of what can be used to attract a girlfriend. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/16 11:31 PM |
| 2 | Equal Rights, Abortions, and Deadbeat Dads.This could be equally be seen as a reason to allow infanticide in certain circumstances (a position I agree with). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/16 01:58 AM |
| 1 | An important concept from marketing theory: "There are not average customers", and the argument against too many generalization in your relationships.If you've got one specific person in mind (like an existing partner, as ozy has), then yes, it matter a great deal what that one person thinks and not at all what anyone else thinks. But even prospecting for potential partners, there is great variety in preferences, such that anything along the lines of "All women like X" is bound to be misleading. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 11:23 PM |
| 1 | An important concept from marketing theory: "There are not average customers", and the argument against too many generalization in your relationships.Good post. This also explains why I consider "SMV" and "RMV" flawed concepts, even though I do think there are market forces influencing partnerings. You never date the average woman, you date women for which there is mutual attractiveness and compatibility. So for instance, it's basically meaningless to say that "being rich increases your RMV by 1 point". There are some women (usually called "gold diggers") for which being rich is extremely important, and there are also some women (often artsy/… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 11:12 PM |
| 2 | An important concept from marketing theory: "There are not average customers", and the argument against too many generalization in your relationships.Who cares what's trendy if the people you're into aren't into what's trendy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 10:55 PM |
| 1 | CMV: low-SMV women often have an inflated sense of thier own SMVIt may be a market, but there isn't a price that can reduced to a single numerical value like "SMV". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 08:42 PM |
| 2 | CMV: low-SMV women often have an inflated sense of thier own SMVI've been on Tinder a lot, read quite a lot of profiles, and have never seen any of these "unrealistically high standards" women. I have found that fat women are much more likely to swipe right, message me first and be sexually forward. While I'm sure some women like OP describes exist, I think they're a fairly small minority. /r/ChoosingBeggars showcases examples, but I think it's telling that despite having enough subscribers to vote submissions up into the hundreds of points, there have only … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 08:29 AM |
| 0 | CMV: low-SMV women often have an inflated sense of thier own SMVBecause it's a matching market. Except for prostitutes, you can't "sell" your SMV. If I've got a movie ticket I don't want, I can usually on-sell for its market value. If the average girl likes abs, but every girl you're interested in is indifferent to them, they may as well be worth zero for your sake. To another guy, they may be very valuable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 08:18 AM |
| 2 | Q4BP:Why aren't nerds drowning in women?They have a high libido... for CHAD THUNDERCOCK! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/16 02:38 AM |
| 3 | Why is stating that a large portion of women sleep around with hot guys, responded with accusations of misogyny? [PLEASE READ POST]Even the most generous adjustments for possible lying would still not result in levels of promiscuity anywhere near the way most RPers describe it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 10:02 PM |
| 0 | CMV: AWALT isn't a heuristic. It's a collection of the most negative traits and interpretation the redpill could pass off as evolutionary psychology, and it's worthless beyond artificially extending the anger phase.So women are comparable to guns? Yes, women can screw you over. So can anyone. Someone who used the heuristic "treat all guns as if they're loaded" to apply to their interactions with anyone is rightly considered extremely cynical at best and misanthropic at worst. So why is singling out women any better? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 09:57 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP:Why aren't nerds drowning in women?Yeah, this is an example of the most egregious failures of "AWALT". Not withstanding that even very promiscuous women rarely have as many as 72 partners, there's great variety in women, and the kinds that nerds end up with are rarely those that have had lots of sex with "alphas". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/16 09:15 PM |
| 8 | Why does society praise single mothers so much yet villainise Nice Guys, and equally mock single dads?"Nice guys" are not guys who are nice, they are guys who call themselves nice. It'd be like if there were single mothers who weren't actually single and/or mothers but liked to call themselves that in order to play the victim. Also, I'd appreciate not anthropomorphising "society" when you're really talking about what one or two columnists said. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/16 10:28 PM |
| 1 | If men's sexual attraction is almost entirely about looks, why does so much porn have plots and/or characters?Some porn does eschew a storyline completely. Typically the title describes the porn stars and the sexual acts. If men were entirely visually orientated and just looking for the sexual acts they were interested in, this would be a more helpful description. Yet the existences of premises imply that this is and of itself titillating to a significant number of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/16 11:51 AM |
| 2 | How would you change divorce policy?I think alimony can be seen as a way of splitting human capital, which is an asset just as a house is, and is typically built up over a career. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/16 02:22 AM |
| 5 | Is this guy guilty of rape or not? Did he use techniques that TRP would also recommend?This is a situation where even if it's not technically rape, it's still a good example of why being pushy in the case of clear signals of unwillingness can cause her and/or you to have a bad time. It's just not worth the risk, especially as she's probably not super happy even if she doesn't feel raped. Sure, you might get laid less following this advice, but raping/getting accused of rape >>>>>>> missing an opportunity for sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 06:25 PM |
| 7 | Penis Pass Denied: holding male hypergamy accountable?Yeah, it seems to be: Women who lust after hot men: hypergamy. Men who lust after hot women: just thirsty dudes lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 05:46 PM |
| 14 | This is what all women find attractive.Then what's the OP's point? Or yours? "Men on a subreddit dedicated to attractive men will be physically attractive" is not exactly some kind of exclusive prediction that you need RP theory to predict. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 07:31 AM |
| 8 | This is what all women find attractive.The top post at the moment is a young David Attenborough. He looks just like the kind of guy who'd bench 500lbs in order to passively dread his plates. Of course, you could define 'alpha' in a way like "celebrity = alpha", but it wouldn't make for a convincing point about RP truths, considering that /r/GentlemanBoners is nearly all celebrities, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 07:09 AM |
| 34 | This is what all women find attractive.This is what all people find funny: /r/funny This is how all people's political views fall: /r/politics This is how all atheists think: /r/atheism I'm not saying that LB is necessarily bad or a poor representation of women's preferences, but it selects both for the kinds of demographics Reddit as a whole selects for (disproportionately young, white, geeky, American, etc) and also for the kind of people who enjoy that sub's content (meaning women who have alternative tastes may not subscribe and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/16 06:30 AM |
| 0 | Where on TBP does it say that women are better than men, ,that "just be yourself" is the only dating advice you need or that male self-improvement is bad?Although, what if she's said "girls love muscles!", you went out and tried to lift, but it turned out your medical condition did stop it? You'd feel like total shit and/or get injured. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 09:26 PM |
| 1 | If an early 20 something dude isn't hot enough for Tinder, is he doomed or is he likely to find more success on other platforms?I've heard these these theories about the algorithm, but I haven't seen any evidence they're actually true. Certainly, I'd be loath to swiping hot girls left, when there's always a chance maybe she (however inexplicably, perhaps) finds you to be her type. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 11:26 AM |
| 2 | Honest question: Why were my feminist friends silent about the horrible mass sexual assault that happened in Cologne, Germany on NYE?"Not wanting to be seen as racist" is a strong possibility, but I think it might particularly be about not wanting to be seen as a reactionary conservative (which I guess could be considered a subset of racists). /pol/ types have been among the most vocal about the attacks, so by bringing up about the attacks you risk being mistaken for one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/16 11:13 AM |
| 1 | Why is there so much struggle with consent?That's not evolution works. No-one "wants you to die for the good of the species". Even if everyone coldly adhered to evolutionarily logic (which they don't), and even if you were a inferior specimen (which you aren't), there's no evolutionary advantage in hoping you die. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/16 09:41 AM |
| 2 | Why is there so much struggle with consent?People can be cruel, but that's a far cry from "the brain is wired to want struggling males to die". That's a horrendously destructive belief for a struggling male. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 04:09 AM |
| 2 | Why is there so much struggle with consent?The human brain isnt wired to show compassion to men who are struggling, it wants them to die off for the good of the species, which in turn, causes people to rationalize "oh he deserved it" so they dont feel bad about their impulsive cruelty By reading and believing shit like this, you're creating more false beliefs that your counsellor will have to try to undo. Stop making things harder for yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/16 01:25 AM |
| 5 | Why is there so much struggle with consent?Maybe if women weren't so afraid of seeming like a slut and were taught that it's okay to be upfront about their sexuality, we'd able to stop with these ridiculous games that sometimes lead to terrible misunderstandings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 08:44 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Blue pill types are contemptuous towards men who won't eat pussy, yet love defending the right of women to not do anal/oral/etc.Isn't oral generally considered (at least by RPers) to be submissive? Real Alpha Men (TM) don't bother with that beta shit, they give their women a "deep hard fucking that she craves". Their women naturally still want to give them blowjobs, because she's submitting to her high value alpha. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/16 03:42 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Sounds to me like "moderately above average guy who puts in a moderately above average amount of effort" to me. Tons of that stuff like "dresses acceptably", "no hygiene/mental problems" "average social skills" heavily correlates with each other, so it doesn't create the kind of rare guy I describe in my OP. Top 10% or so sounds about right, although "college guy" is quite polarising (college girls like it, but working college graduates probably aren't so into it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 09:47 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.He seems a bit obsessive to be a troll. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 09:17 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.This is a bit unrelated to the topic of the thread, but if I recall correctly, you suffer from several mental conditions (possibly including autism?), correct? In which case, yes, as much as it sucks, you may be coming across as creepy due to a failed understanding of social norms or something along those lines. Yes, it's unfair, but it's probably not the woman's fault, she probably genuinely felt uncomfortable and wasn't out to spite you. If it's tough to avoid seeming creepy, the best thing yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 09:16 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.You've got a serious complex about achieving near-unobtainable levels of attractiveness. If you were voted #2 in Sexiest Man Alive, no doubt you'd be despondent that you weren't #1. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 08:29 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Are all those guys putting similar efforts into acquiring casual sex? I think there's a ridiculous RP notion that a man's number of sexual partners defines his sexual value. It's correlated with attractiveness, sure, but it has a lot more to do with how much he tries and how low his standards are. A guy who spends all his free time trying to rack up the highest notch count possible is almost certainly going to have more sex partners than a guy who is only into LTRs, even if the latter guy is a f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 08:21 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.The vast, vast majority of men are not at the level of international soccer players, and hence the vast majority of women never have the chance to date them, and hence the vast majority of men's girlfriends never did either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 07:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.What does that have to do with anything? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 07:33 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.You think that if you went to a store/street corner/other relatively representative place, then counted up 100 women, 20 would be even hotter than her? I very much doubt it. Also, the UK's obesity rate is only a little lower than the US'. I could believe that she's at the 80th percentile in a group of middle-class friends at college. However, that group is already rather unrepresentative of the whole population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 06:10 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.The real distribution isn't quite as extreme as my example, but yeah, attractive girls on average are going to have more fun at clubs than homely girls, even disregarding sex, through the positive feedback and attention they get. Also, that girl is way above the top 20% of all women, and probably for young women, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 05:08 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.In practice, that's what Blue v. Red is about. Rarely do you see Blues sympathetic to incels or men facing false rape accusations do you? Not at all. I'm blue (although probably somewhat less feminist than the average poster in TBP, however, TBP is about opposition to TRP more so than a particular philosophy per se). I have sympathy for guys who have been dealt a bad hand in terms of genes or environment, making it harder for them to attract women. I don't have sympathy, however, for guys that c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 05:05 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.If "Chad Thundercock" is 5-20% of guys who collectively have banged 50-80% of women, that's a massive difference to if the stereotypical Chad is more like 0.0001% of guys banging 0.001% of women. The former could conceivably create the sexual marketplace "skew" a lot of RPers complain about, the latter looks like a rounding error. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:46 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Another way to spin this: it's pretty likely that you (or any other person) are below-average in at least one trait associated with attractiveness. It's just really difficult to hit 10 for 10. I think knowing this could help a bit with insecure people worried about a flaw of theirs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:30 AM |
| 6 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Lol @ threads having to be either "pro-male" or "pro-female". The point is mainly that the super-alpha who is way more attractive than you in nearly every conceivable way is extremely rare and almost certainly hasn't banged your girlfriend. Odds are that even if she has banged "Chad", you're still better than Chad by numerous metrics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:23 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Even if the vast majority of young people do go clubbing sometimes (which I don't think is actually true) on any given night the population of the club is going to disproportionately consist of people who go clubbing quite a lot. If Homely Hannah goes clubbing once a year on average while Sexy Stacey goes fifty times a year, you're fifty times more likely to run into Sexy Stacey than Homely Hannah on any given night, even though both "go clubbing sometimes". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 04:04 AM |
| 8 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.I think there's a quite a bit of this going on. If you're trying to "game" girls in nightclubs, for instance, then you're focusing on a small minority who are generally young, slim, middle class or above and who put a lot of effort into their appearance. The median woman in a nightclub is probably at least the 90th percentile for the country she is in as a whole. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 02:10 AM |
| 2 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.It's not quite like that. While only 5 out of 100 guys would be above average in those four factors, there's also a decent number of guys who are a tad below average in some of those factors, but significantly above average in the others, enough to be your guy's rough equivalent. Maybe he's got a four inch dick, but earns $50,000 a year, for instance. Perhaps all this adds up the top 25% or so. So applying this to my "1 in 10,000" guy, he may be that rare but in terms of where he sits overall it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 01:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.This may be true, but a moderate selection effect only goes so far when we're talking about 1 in 10,000, and if we're selecting for the environment too much (e.g. "Harvard Law's Male Model Club") we start drawing conclusions about such an atypical environment that it's rather stupid if you're trying to make a statement about the sexual marketplace as a whole, targeted towards fairly average people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 01:38 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The vast majority of men are broadly average. Archetypal "alphas" are a tiny minority.Indeed. And on a bell curve, the vast majority of data points fall within 2 standard deviations of the mean. However, the archetypal "alphas" I read about seem to be at least 2 standard deviations above the mean in many dimensions. As I've shown, that's very rare, certainly more so than top 20% or top 5% or what the criteria for the alpha/apex/Chad is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/16 01:31 AM |
| 2 | This sub is pretty blue pill, not very neutral from what i've seenReally? Take this thread for instance - it's just a bunch of RPers "debating" about the future of the sexual marketplace. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/16 12:11 PM |
| 7 | How Frequently Do Men Aggressively Pester Their Girlfriends for Anal Sex?Just use Grindr if you really want anal, obviously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/16 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Proof of AF/BB... Men have a higher partner variability than women - most men have fewer, but a few men have many more partners than most men and women."100% of women participate in hookup culture whether they like it or not". LOL. Every female virgin, woman married to her high-school sweetheart, woman who only has sex in relationships - all of them don't real and are secretly banging Chad on the side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/01/16 10:10 PM |
| 6 | Constant reading of trashy bitchy articles and its effect on one's social perceptions. Hey guys: 30 Reasons Your Tinder Profile Sucks Toolol plenty of RP truths here, while I agree with some of the things she says most of it full of hypocrisy and narcissism. I handpicked my favorites: If you read the introduction, you'd see that it's a composite of views picked from hundreds of readers. I know, I know, AWALT, but you can't reasonably accuse someone of being hypocritical because of what someone else unknowingly said. At least some women are willing to admit about the SMP and their hypergamy Being willing to date men less attractiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 04:04 PM |
| 19 | Constant reading of trashy bitchy articles and its effect on one's social perceptions. Hey guys: 30 Reasons Your Tinder Profile Sucks Tooa) Women simply aren't sexually attracted to men in the same way men are to women. They often need an emotional connection, or at least something other than just looks. So for looks alone to be enough, they better be really good looks. Red Pillers wrongly interpret this as meaning women all want to fuck Chad Thundercock and feel nothing for less attractive men. More accurately, women rarely have an instant lust for men based on looks alone, but they can develop it with intimacy. And even if they… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 11:22 AM |
| 6 | What would be the ultimate experiment to test TRP scientifically?Who knew "attractive men are generally more successful at attracting women" was a Red Pill-specific idea? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/16 01:00 AM |
| 0 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsOkay then, so why are the older women of OkCupid not as representative of older single women than the younger women of OkCupid are of younger single women? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 10:25 AM |
| 1 | Men aren't allowed to express their problems in dating.To whom, exactly? If a women came in here and posted "CMV: Men only want sex", she'd get criticised by everyone, including Blue Pillers. I would be among them. It's similarly dumb to a guy thinking girls only want jacked dudes or only want money. All of them are presumably extrapolating wildly from their prejudices and/or personal experiences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 10:21 AM |
| 1 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsWell, the average of 0+0 equals 0. Do women actually message men first? I have yet to hear of an actual live male anywhere, online or RL, that mentions being messaged first by a woman on one of these sites. The few that do are clearly outliers and we can't really extrapolate a whole lot from their behavior. I mean, at the rates at which women message men, a majority of it could be caused by cats jumping onto keyboards or drunkenly smashing the wrong inputs on ones phone. When women actually woma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 10:11 AM |
| 1 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefs"30+ women suck and are ugly" (or at least a somewhat moderated version of this) seems to be a strong undercurrent of a lot of RP posts. If it's not, and RPers are generally in agreement with the premises of the article, then as a sexual strategy sub, "The Wall" should be seen as a prime opportunity. There's a large group of women who are attractive, have high libidos and yet get comparatively little attention from other men? That's a huge gap in the market! There should be numerous posts all ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 09:11 AM |
| 1 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsI could actually believe that women might rate 80% of men as below average looking. However, I do not think that means what RPers say it does about hypergamy. Firstly, that very same article shows that in spite of this, women send messages more evenly across the physical attractiveness spectrum than men do. If women are only interested in the top males, why don't their messages reflect this? Secondly, all it takes is a relatively small systematic bias to get such a distribution. The 80th percent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 08:48 AM |
| 1 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsAll this proves is more older women ON OKCUPID are okay with something more casual. I'm not really up on my online dating sites, but I still chuckle when I see adds for them stating "find your one true love!". The few guys I know using online aren't looking for love, at least in the romantic sense. So, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find that most women on there are looking for more relaxed relationships. Also, some of them may just by going that route for lack of better options. So if there'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 08:14 AM |
| 1 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsThat data is based on mens' stated age preferences on their profiles. The article is trying to make the case to these men that they may be basing their age ranges on incorrect assumptions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 08:06 AM |
| 2 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsIt's by no means perfect, but I'm interested in the story that had to happen if it were in fact a completely inaccurate representation of reality. Why were older women lying more than younger women (or vice versa) to produce the survey results as they stand? Why are men's ratings of older women biased upwards (and/or younger women biased downwards?) What makes such a just-so story any more plausible than the complete opposite story that these results are not strong enough? Furthermore, this is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 03:35 AM |
| 5 | OKCupid's "The Case for an Older Woman" vs Red Pill beliefsa) The article provides evidence against the change in priorities - more older women are okay with relationships that won't lead to marriage than younger ones. b) It's not so much that women don't lose their beauty, but at least before age 40 (the graphs don't go further), it's gradual and minor, especially for average-ish women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/01/16 02:57 AM |
| 0 | Who are the real virgins?IIRC a poll of Blue Pillers had them at roughly 50% women. That's a lot of women who haven't yet been exposed to the psychological issues that women have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 09:19 AM |
| 26 | TRP members regularly claim "The Red Pill doesn't hate women". Well here's a conversation between a RP Vanguard and an EC. Thoughts?They're posting on a subreddit literally called "/r/femalehate" and making generalised derogatory statements about women. What would it take for something to be misogynistic in your eyes? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/01/16 01:17 AM |
| 1 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetMy father says therapy is for pussies. Everytime I complained about something he'd punch me in the stomach, as a teenager and shit hurt, so i have a hard time not feeling stressed out when I think about getting help I panic. That's abuse, and another good reason to go to therapy. because the older the woman gets, the easier it gets for her to realize that I'm deeply insecure and that I hate myself with a passion that could only be compared to the desire Sauron had to retrieve the one ring, and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/01/16 11:31 AM |
| 3 | One of the things RP gets most wrong about women and relationships in general.One night stands just aren't all that common. Only about half the population has even had a single one. Most sex is had in relationships, partially because most women need the trust they entail. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/01/16 10:56 PM |
| 4 | Who despises beta men more?Aren you guys living in an 1980s high school movie or something? Maybe it's a cultural thing or I hang out in different crowds, but I've almost never seen "alpha" guys trying to "assert dominance". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/16 07:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetIf you hate yourself, that's what therapy is for! Even if you can't change your views on attractiveness, maybe you could, I don't know, take up Buddhism or something. Being all Zen about it sounds better then being angry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 09:33 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetLOL, you've got be trolling. If you're not, explain why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 09:29 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetYou're posting dozens of times a day about how "women are only attracted to Chads". That sounds pretty obsessive to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 09:26 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetAlmost 19, that's the wall, right? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 09:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "Nice guys" rarely, if ever, just want to get their dicks wetSeek a therapist. Really. It just can't be healthy being housebound for a month, obsessing about women and "Chads". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 09:17 PM |
| 1 | [Question for all pills] How would you feel is someone had a crush on you?That dream is pretty unrealistic. Attractive girls don't need to pursue since they can usually count on attractive guys pursuing them. They'll generally only consider pursuing if you're extremely attractive or they have an atypically assertive personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 03:43 AM |
| 1 | [Question for all pills] How would you feel is someone had a crush on you?It's no guarantee, but it's not as if unattractive girls solely have crushes on similarly unattractive guys, they like hot guys as much as any girl. If multiple unattractive girls are overtly trying to get your attention, then there are in all likelihood many relatively attractive girls who would respond positively to you initiating, but don't feel they need to resort to actively pursuing you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 03:14 AM |
| 1 | [Question for all pills] How would you feel is someone had a crush on you?Eh, I wouldn't take it to mean you aren't attractive. Some people (OP included) have never known someone else to have a crush on them, but that doesn't make them doomed to involuntary celibacy, since many relationships don't start from crushes. Rather, an unattractive girl making it obvious she has a crush on you is a pretty good indicator that attractive girls will also find you attractive. The attractive ones just rarely find the need to be explicit about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/01/16 01:38 AM |
| 1 | [Question for all pills] How would you feel is someone had a crush on you?Why would an unattractive girl crushing on you make you feel bad? Do you think they are incapable of crushes out of their league or something? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/16 07:18 PM |
| 1 | How late can a man remain a virgin before you assume he has some sort of major defect?I'm not sure what the meaning of that metaphor is unless you're literally auctioning off sex? Older virgins are a way to "punch above your league", maybe, if the reason for the virginity was not looks so much? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/12/15 05:08 AM |
| 2 | Being a smart, morally upstanding, hardworking guy who plays by the rules has nothing to do with whether you are able to attract women. In fact, being a 'bad guy' who is violent/into crime probably means you're getting laid more than the guy who does everything 'right'.College graduates are much less likely to get divorced. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/want-to-stay-married-get-a-degree-2014-09-29 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/15 09:52 AM |
| 2 | Women of PPD, rate these men:That's his father. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 10:23 PM |
| 1 | Men of PPD...Rate These WomenThey're all roughly similar, in the "moderately attractive" category. A score out of 10 depends on what population you're comparing them to. "Youngish, single and looking" women? Probably around 5, if the girls I swipe on Tinder are any indication. All women? Probably 7-8ish, because there are lots of unattractive women out there, who are disproportionately old and married. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/12/15 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Women of PPD...Rate these MenInteresting that there isn't much consensus. I think that's a point in favour of the "SMV isn't a very useful metric and women aren't all lustong after the same guys" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/12/15 09:26 AM |
| 1 | Actual niceness actually has almost nothing to do with being attractive to women.I don't think "giving too much to charity" is what most people have in mind when they think of "too nice". Indeed, this sort of man might not be attractive to more materialistic women, but might gain points from other women. For instance, a lawyer who passes up a lucrative private sector career to become a public defender isn't necessarily going to find it harder to date, he'll just attract a different type of woman. A "too nice" guy is a guy who can't/won't say no to almost anything or anyone. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 02:42 AM |
| 8 | is drunk sex about to become socially taboo therefore making incelity a widespread phenomenon?Most incels aren't going to parties and trying to hook up with drunk chicks in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/12/15 02:06 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The "ugly guy" who gets laid left and right with attractive women is a mythI don't know why Buscemi is so often held up as the epitome of male ugliness. He's not good looking, but no-one passing him in the street is going to stop and gawk at how repulsive he is. He's probably about average for a man of his age, helped a lot by the fact he's not fat or bald. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 05:34 AM |
| 1 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestI think calling it "game" is a bit of a misnomer. If a guy is depressed and anxious, to be sure he's likely to have bad "game" but that's the least of his worries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 05:18 AM |
| 1 | [cmv] male incels aren't incel because they have high standards, they are incel because they don't make moves/declare sexual interestWhile there may be some truly unfortunate-looking "incels" out there, I've seen quite a few "ForeverAlone" types post their pictures in places like /r/amiugly or on other forums, often complaining that they're too ugly to ever get a girlfriend. And a lot of the time, they're average or even above-average looking. And even the unattractive ones are not nearly as unattractive as the ugliest men who I've seen to have partners. I think sociability is by far the biggest factor in involuntary celibacy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/12/15 01:44 AM |
| 4 | CMV: If we Stressed Monogamy the Incel Problem would be lessIs there any evidence that these are actually a thing, of large enough significance to skew the dating market? All the statistics I've seen show that the distribution of partners for men and women are pretty equal, there are approximately the same number of male and female virgins, there is only perhaps a slight trend for men be extremely promiscuous, and nothing about it seems to be skewing the market into a lot more men getting nothing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/12/15 01:20 AM |
| 6 | CMV: If we Stressed Monogamy the Incel Problem would be lessWhere's the evidence that "top men have harems"? I mean, sure, some guys may have a lot of casual sex. That doesn't mean he's hogging those women for life. The vast majority of people eventually pair up monogamously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/12/15 08:11 AM |
| 1 | TBP: How come you guys say that TRP methodology is advice you can get from anywhere, but yet say that it is ineffective on most women?Brah, lets be honest. a romantic relationship is a romantic relationship because the woman puts out. I enjoy my female friends. I also don't invest anything in them. I spend time with them because its enjoyable but I would never be able to keep constant contact, daily contact, even weekly contact with my friends. i just can't be bothered. Romantic relationship =/ FWB. As mind-boggling as may seem to you, some men actually love their partners and enjoy spending time with them, more so than they w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/15 01:27 AM |
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