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This is the first time I've heard anyone claim that suffragette Caroline Norton wasn't a feminist. This is an old thread, but a quote from Caroline Norton: The natural position of woman is inferiority to man. Amen! That is a thing of God's appointing, not of man's devising. I believe it sincerely, as part of my religion. I never pretended to the wild and ridiculous doctrine of equality. She was relatively enlightened at the time but still held on to patriarchal ideas.
/r/MensRights15/02/21 02:27 AM
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No I'm not saying TERFs support masculinity (they hate men; they definitely don't) I'm saying they're co-opting the same gender stereotypes that come from toxic masculinity for their own use
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 06:11 PM
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No it's not a result of just masculinity, it's a product of the fact that historically men were considered rational and women were considered emotional, which is why emotions are seen as a women's thing. So this stereotype which came from toxic masculinity is now a standard gender stereotype, which in this case the TERFs are co-opting for their own use
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 06:07 PM
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That specific image looks a lot like it's from a TERF, and I've seen those exact same arguments made on r/GenderCritical and r/PinkpillFeminism before. The idea that men can't experience emotions is just toxic masculinity rebranded, and the idea that men can't be raped is part of rape culture. Most feminists hate TERFs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/20 08:24 AM
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/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/20 05:25 AM
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I’ve heard trans men say that too. It is disgusting. People think man-hating is “punching up” but forget that they cause real harm to many people by demonizing an entire identity. I use the word “identity” because it emphasizes the hurtfulness of attacking what people have as a valid part of their identity. Trans men are especially hurt by this but cis men are hurt as well. The thread I was talking about is here. They were specifically talking about how they felt hurt because of misandristic att…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/20 09:54 PM
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If she was a cis woman I wouldn't have been surprised she was a TERF either. But she's a trans woman, literally the primary demographic TERFs demonize. So it did surprise me. I was also shocked at just how brazen and accepted the misandry was. At this point I really shouldn't be, but I still am every time. Blatant misandry really is socially acceptable in so many feminist and LGBT spaces. Now I won't forget that, not anytime soon. I also forgot to mention a thread I saw on r/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/20 08:26 PM
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That thread you were in a few days ago is absolutely terrible. Jesus fucking Christ. I'd understand if it was just a vent, but everyone in that thread constantly not only apologized for but promoted the idea that men are terrible, while downvoting others who actually tried to help the OP handle her struggles in a healthy way. It's almost what I'd expect from PinkPillFeminism or FemaleDatingStrategy, not an intersectional LGBT support community. Especially the top comment which victim-blames men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/20 08:58 AM
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I might get some flak for saying this but in a sense, it’s arguably not even feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/20 11:14 AM
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It’s supposed to be “empowering” but it’s ultimately just counterproductive and carries unfortunate implications. It’s low-quality pandering but it sounds progressive on the surface. Assuming it’s even true, it’s probably because the countries with female leaders are also more liberal, and progressive countries handled the virus better than conservative ones. It’s correlation not causation. I also saw a counter argument to the claim here, but I didn’t check how accurate it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/20 04:03 AM
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Sometimes I've seen some good takes from that subreddit and others which made me think maybe misandry within feminism isn't that big of a problem. Then I see this pile of misandry apologia, which I disagree with but also internally question, maybe they're right? It depresses me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/20 10:40 AM
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I didn't like the second one either. It really just spreads the sexist lie that women cry wolf about sexual harassment. I'm sorry about it. This subreddit was originally intended to be an egalitarian, left-wing men's rights community, less toxic than right-wing spaces like r/MensRights and r/MGTOW, yet one where people could still criticize certain toxic aspects of feminism. But unfortunately the men's rights movement in general is filled with misogyny. I'm still here because this is one of the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/20 08:23 AM
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Where's the graphic from?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/20 05:09 AM
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I’m sorry, maybe I was being too harsh. But still, when I think of catcalling I’m thinking of stuff a lot worse than that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/20 10:21 AM
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What you're describing is innocent compliments. When I hear people talking about "catcalling and harassment" I think of blatant sexual harassment and deliberate intimidation where it's absurd to assume any good intentions. Also, most people are rightfully wary of random strangers they encounter. The street (especially at night) is not a good place to give compliments to strangers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/20 09:28 AM
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Sorry but I have to disagree with this. The men who catcall and harass women don't do so because they're lonely, they do so because they feel entitled to violate women's boundaries. I agree that the current gender norms of dating are a problem, but that's an entirely separate issue and solving it won't get rid of sexual harassment.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/20 07:44 AM
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Yeah I noticed that too. It's really frustrating how many of these people are so close but still fail to consider that maybe, just maybe, bashing men isn't the best idea and being sexist is bad. It's so insane, honestly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/20 06:47 AM
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Yeah, I noticed that a while ago. I've noticed most of the transphobic talking points which specifically target trans women are rooted in misandry. The transphobes (both TERFs and conservatives) who hate trans women tend to be the same people who think trans women are men. Maybe this is a bad take but I think misandry and transphobia are intertwined.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/20 04:45 AM
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I think the most telling part is this tweet from the OP which says (bold part mine): I know speaking out on this is considered controversial because demonizing men and masculine aligned people is always seen as good but.. it results in this. I fight so no one else will have to feel anything similar to this. It's so bad. Like, apparently misandry is just viewed as completely normal in some circles. And looking at some of the other tweets, I really didn't expect misandry to be so common. But appar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/20 01:44 AM
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I never tried to imply that everyone in the LGBT community is a misandrist. But according to the OP's own experiences it's prevalent enough that it made him and other trans men feel alienated. I was paraphrasing him.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/20 07:54 PM
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Another thread linked to from this one is here. I found this thread interesting because it goes to show how socially acceptable misandry will inevitably harm other marginalized groups of people. TERFs are already examples of how it harms trans women, and this thread shows how it harms trans men as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/20 06:25 AM
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Honestly I think Reddit is probably one of the worst websites on the entire Internet when it comes to misandry. Like, what other website has such a gigantic TERF community? Even after most of those subreddits thankfully got banned, I still occasionally come across blatant misandrists, sometimes getting upvoted too. Like that r/TooAfraidToAsk thread, which is one of the worst examples on a mainstream subreddit I've seen yet. There are also places like r/AmItheAsshole which are known to be biased …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/20 01:28 AM
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I fully agree. I noticed a lot of "ironic" misogyny on r/memes and it bothered me. Misandry is bad but so is misogyny and we shouldn't pretend the latter doesn't exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/20 01:11 AM
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Sometimes I see feminists on social media say things like "feminism is for everyone" and occasionally address some social norms which harm men. I think most of the issues stem from ignorance rather than malice for most people. Honestly I get uncomfortable when people overly demonize average feminists on here because it's unproductive and inaccurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 10:13 AM
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My phone thinks the correct word is “misandristic” not “misandric”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/20 01:03 AM
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In general it's frustrating to notice all these little things that are subtly sexist against men. No one realizes it, so the same people insist that they're not one of the sexist ones and their feminism is actually helping men too. It's hard to criticize these things because the ignorance is so deeply intrenched. Hopefully more people will realize this eventually.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/20 03:19 AM
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Ugh. The first link basically promotes misinformation with its "men commit 99% of reported rapes" statistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/20 06:31 PM
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The OP later clarified in more tweets that he still thinks "men are trash" is something okay to say at times as it is "punching up", and also said "misandry isn't a systemic issue". The fact that he still thinks that and so many others agreed… really says something
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/20 07:20 AM
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Didn't he also spew out transphobic talking points in the past?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/20 12:16 AM
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I'll just say that this tweet gaining traction makes me somewhat more optimistic, since it shows that a huge portion of people on the left are willing to listen and ultimately won't stand for misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/20 08:16 AM
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Honestly for me, I don’t even think there’s anything inherently wrong with what people call “identity politics”. It’s just that people still don’t understand that men are also an oppressed group in many ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/20 10:37 AM
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To expand on that first part, he’s the same guy who accused the Central Park Five of being rapists even after they were exonerated. So if you’re white and rich there’s a slight chance he’ll be on your side, and if you’re not, he probably won’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/20 10:14 AM
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I mean, maybe she herself doesn’t use those terms and doesn’t like it when others do. But yeah, in general the double standards are awful. Far too often people don’t live up to what they claim their values are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/20 01:03 AM
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I really hate how feminists frame sexism as solely perpetuated by men, rather than something everyone takes a part in. The double standards surrounding words like "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" really just seem like a way for women to dish everything out on the other gender and avoid criticizing their own. Like criticizing sexists is easier when they're implicitly exonerating themselves. Everyone needs to check their sexist biases. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/20 11:42 PM
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Perceptions that women are more moral than men lead to things like men getting harsher sentences for the same crimes. It’s also arguably counterproductive because it puts women on a pedestal. Ignorant people think it’s so funny and quirky to spread old stereotypes if they’re anti-male and sound progressive on the surface.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/20 09:08 AM
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Honestly I think discussing what is and isn’t “real feminism” is a pointless word game. Similarly, calling it the No True Scotsman fallacy doesn’t cut to the core of the issue. The important thing is that sexism against men is a real issue, and many self-proclaimed feminists spread it. It really doesn’t matter whether misandry is considered real feminism. But people who say it’s not real feminism usually do so to deny the issue exists entirely, and avoid questioning whether they or their friends…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 08:14 AM
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Most people aren't extremists. They do exist, but it's not true that over half of feminists literally hate all men. We shouldn't be unnecessarily demonizing people, that doesn't create progress or help make men's rights more mainstream. It just gives us pointless enemies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 04:22 AM
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Yep. I'm not even fully anti-feminist because I think feminism does do a good job calling out misogyny and fighting against real issues like anti-abortion legislation and the poor treatment of sexual harassment victims, although the latter affects men too. I don't want feminism to go away completely. A while ago I saw a post on this sub talking about a possible alternate women's rights movement, which I thought was a stupid idea because it'd inevitably end up being a milquetoast MRA vehicle like…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 03:57 AM
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Don't need to be known to have power and influence look at the idea of power behind the throne. Look at how feminists were able to influence the FBI so men could not be raped despite them obviously not being part of the FBI. Yeah I'm aware of that. My point wasn't that they aren't a problem, it's that most feminists aren't aware of them. Their continued power is more attributable to ignorance than outright mass approval, like so many other systemic issues in society. A good half of the feminists…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 02:30 AM
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Honestly when I see names of misandrists who hold power, like those in universities or large organizations, I don't think anyone actually knows who they are. At least I don't. It’s more of an invisible problem most people don’t know about. In my experience most feminists believe in gender equality and don't literally hate men. That's not to say they aren't ignorant or don't hold sexist views, but I'm talking about the most extreme nutjobs here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 02:05 AM
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Honestly I wouldn't go that far since most people have never heard of this stuff. To me it's extremely simple. Feminism as a movement frames sexism as one-sided, promoting widespread ignorance about men's issues. Including the idea that men don't face sexism on an institutional level (or if they do, it's less harmful or perpetuated exclusively by other men), which is used to excuse anti-male sexism, like in the thread I posted about a few days ago. A lot of feminists fail to live up to the ideal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/20 12:52 AM
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Welp, it was removed for a while but now it's back. Edit: Never mind, now it's removed again along with a bunch of other comments in the thread
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/20 07:41 PM
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Also, white people and Christians aren’t discriminated against in the same way men are. I’m still against blanket statements against them in principle, but it isn’t the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/20 06:57 PM
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Not only that, but men as a group do face systemic discrimination specifically for being men. So the entire premise is objectively false.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/20 09:05 AM
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Also because some subtler types of sexism against men aren’t fully revealed with data alone. Like how social norms harm men, and how men tend to get less sympathy than women. Or how many people who claim to be feminists and support gender equality still hold sexist views against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/20 07:29 AM
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And it's supposedly justified because men don't face systemic discrimination as a result of those generalizations. But we do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 11:01 PM
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I was talking about the average feminist, not the people at the top. But no I haven't heard about the stuff Joe Biden did, it sounds awful though.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 05:00 AM
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Yeah, that approach is actually a really good idea. Do people typically react well to it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 03:52 AM
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Yep. For a while I was more conservative, mainly because the misandry within feminism pushed me away from the left. It's been recent events that fully swayed me to identify as a liberal, with liberals fighting against a major injustice against men (especially black men), and conservatives being the problem once again. I also realized that for all my problems with feminists, for the most part they can be boiled down to simple ignorance. While conservatives are fundamentally ideologically opposed …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 03:50 AM
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I would say, try not to bring it up by deflecting. That is, when people talk about police racism, don't try to change the topic to sexism, because it comes across as if you're diminishing the racism involved too. Bring it up separately at another time, like saying "did you know police are not only racist, they're also sexist?" or something like that. Although even that might still offend some certain people. For those people, I don't think it's possible to completely avoid backlash as long as th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 01:48 AM
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Yes, I think the Black Lives Matter movement and the backlash against police brutality is great when it comes to empathy for men in general. If you think about it, for some of the biggest men's rights issues, such as police killings and the death penalty, it's conservatives who are the problem. There's also the conservative/TERF alliance. It's one of the reasons I'm more liberal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/20 01:09 AM
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Yeah and it actually applies to quite a few men's rights issues. Like how black men are uniquely disadvantaged in the justice system and targeted by police.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/20 03:17 AM
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For me, it’s the idea that men don’t face systemic discrimination, and if they do, it’s perpetuated exclusively by other men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/20 10:54 PM
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I mean, this subreddit doesn't seem hateful to me, so I don't know why they'd purge it. They purged some extreme misandrist ones which were actually hateful, while this one stands against that.
/r/MensRights29/06/20 11:36 PM
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I don't think intersectionality is inherently bad. Unless the organization deliberately avoids criticizing the misandrist double standards in feminism, it's fine to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/20 09:02 AM
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This subreddit was created to be a space where male advocates can distance themselves from right-wing MRAs while also being able to criticize feminism. If this subreddit turns into another echo chamber I won't want to be here anyway.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/20 05:16 AM
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I get that people tend to have a subconscious bias against men, but I don't think it's productive to assume bad faith and say they literally don't care about men at all. I think most misandry in society is attributable to simple ignorance and people not being self-aware of their own biases against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/20 12:13 AM
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My honest opinion is that a lot of the MRM's reputation is somewhat warranted, since so many online self-identified MRAs are right-wing reactionaries who have a knee-jerk reaction against anything related to women's rights without a coherent reason why. I think the right approach is to just advocate for specific issues, call out instances of misandry, and make it clear that men do face systemic discrimination and that men's rights advocacy is not inherently bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 11:33 PM
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This is an unfairly polarizing comment, I'm pretty sure most people do care about helping men if they are being treated unfairly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/20 11:25 PM
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Thanks for your work
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/20 05:13 AM
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Who said they were different? (genuine question)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/20 10:45 PM
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Their claim that it's only about "men's feelings" is also dishonest because those generalizations have real-world consequences, such as the Duluth model and the bias against men in the justice system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/20 05:29 AM
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I can cite to you several dozen instances of powerful well supported feminists being utterly misandric. Can you share it with me?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/19 06:06 AM
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I don't think that's what the Matilda effect is. Anyways, it denies agency to men as well as credit for their own accomplishments. We already know that saying "behind every famous woman is a man" is extremely sexist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/19 08:39 AM
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the sex stuff is starting to be disproven as well Really? Can you elaborate
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/19 08:39 AM
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