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2	When feminists say "male privilege," I think they may have forgotten about this. This isn't about whether people can endure insults, it's about whether they are useful or harmful to the discussion. Again, you wouldn't insult people in real life, so there's no reason to do it here, even if everyone would survive being called stupid. The point is to address specific comments and assume good faith. What you did is attack the commenter by using terms like "you people". Re-read your posts.	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 05:26 AM
1	When feminists say "male privilege," I think they may have forgotten about this. I'm just talking about a specific instance here. It seems that if you're a man and you assert yourself at work (pitching ideas, speaking more during meetings, etc.) people tend to see it as positive and you get promoted. Not so if you are a woman. But obviously they don't get promoted for no reason either, which means that they tend to stay "lower" in the corporate structure. Even if in every other respect women were at an advantage, that is a male "privilege" (or benefit), ie everything else be…	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 05:24 AM
2	When feminists say "male privilege," I think they may have forgotten about this. There's a difference between telling people their arguments aren't well thought out and calling them stupid, cowards or using things like "you people". I think your attitude in this thread has being despicable and not conducive to an honest discussion. You wouldn't treat someone IRL like that (or at least you shouldn't).	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 05:08 AM
1	When feminists say "male privilege," I think they may have forgotten about this. I don't particularly like the word "privilege" because it feels attack-y but men that assert themselves in the workplace are seen as more competent than women, by both genders. Source: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/04/the-confidence-gap/359815/ Ctrl+f "Victoria Brescoll" This is just one example. I'm sure there's a similar and opposite effect for men, but I don't think that invalidates the "women's rights" issues (men's and women's rights issues are mostly orthogonal and can b…	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 05:03 AM
4	When feminists say "male privilege," I think they may have forgotten about this. Essentially all of the stats mentioned were true before the advent of feminism (apart from custody battles, which I guess was rare?). So many of them, no.	/r/MensRights	02/05/14 04:57 AM
1	Yeah! Because death sentence is the solution! I'm not talking about false or "unclear" rape accusations here. People have been saying that "real" rape would lead to murder if the death penalty were the punishment for rape. I think that's incorrect.	/r/MensRights	18/07/13 12:32 AM
0	Yeah! Because death sentence is the solution! If the death penalty has no real impact on murder (which is true), I don't see why it would lead to rapists murdering their victims. It's pretty clear those that commit crimes (rape, murder) think they won't get caught or simply don't think about the consequences.	/r/MensRights	17/07/13 04:07 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem The media should give the public the evidence that's available. Each individual should use reason to determine whether they think the suspect is guilty or not (and whether that's possible to tell at this point). Some media outlets will start witch hunts, but that's freedom of expression for you (until they advocate violence). The jury should theoretically come to the trial a blank slate, but in practice that's pretty impossible.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 04:59 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem I agree that the jury shouldn't be predisposed to believe guilt, but that's pretty independent from what random people will think when they read the news. It's true that people aren't reasonable, but that's always been the case and the mantra "innocent until proven guilty" won't change that. In the case of Zimmerman, the public evidence was most definitely inconclusive and reasonable people thought/should have thought that it was best to wait and see. Unreasonable people thought what they though…	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 04:57 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem I'm not arguing this specific case, just that in some cases it's OK to believe someone is guilty if there is overwhelming evidence that points to that fact.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 04:55 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem The right you have is to be tried fairly (innocent until proven guilty), not to control what people think about you based on the available evidence. If they look very clearly guilty, reasonable people will think they are guilty. If it later comes out that the evidence was (say) tainted or new exonerating evidence is made public, reasonable people will think they are innocent. Saying "don't have an opinion until the verdict" or "assume they are innocent even if your logic tells you otherwise" mak…	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 04:03 PM
4	Reuters, we have a problem There's no scrapping of our beliefs or legal system. They should still be tried fairly, which includes the prosecution having to prove they are guilty and not the other way around (i.e. innocent until proven guilty). Doesn't mean they are actually innocent of the crime until a jury changes their status.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 04:00 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem The court determines whether they are legally guilty. But a rapist is someone who raped someone. Simlarly a shoplifter is someone who steal from a store, whether or not he or she is caught. There's a huge difference between being convinced something is true based on the evidence you see and exacting mob justice.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 03:59 PM
1	Reuters, we have a problem That can happen either way (and it already happens). The reality is that the press and individuals have a responsibility to inform themselves properly before reaching conclusions.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 03:57 PM
17	Reuters, we have a problem They are innocent in the eyes of the court, they are not innocent period. The same way you are a shoplifter if you steal from a store, whether or not you are caught.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 02:19 AM
2	Reuters, we have a problem Innocent until proven guilty applies to the courts, not to what people think. Obviously people are going to have an opinion about whether or not someone is guilty, based on the evidence made public. And that's the reasonable thing to do. If here the evidence indicates they are guilty, then reasonable people will think they are guilty. This does not preclude a fair trial, as long as the court acts as if they are innocent until the prosecution proves them guilty.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 02:16 AM
8	Reuters, we have a problem They are rapists if they raped someone, whether or not they are found guilty by a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty only says that the prosecution has to prove the accused are guilty, not the other way around. In other words, in the absence of evidence, a court cannot sentence you or declare you guilty. The press and people can do whatever the hell they want.	/r/MensRights	15/03/13 02:13 AM
4	Barnes and Noble tell a 73-year-old patron that men can't be by themselves in the children's area. Some restaurants do, but it has nothing to do with protecting the children.	/r/MensRights	04/06/12 09:07 PM
1	Baby dies in a bath while being looked after by mother, Women's group leader says "men also needed to look at their behaviour in such situation" The girl doesn't know whether the guy has had a vasectomy or whether the condoms he is using are safe (good quality and not damaged). Furthermore, if the cycle method counts for girls, so does the pull out method, which the guy has greater control over. There are also hormonal methods (pills and injections) and a small injection of a polymer to the male's scrotum of a polymer (I think it was mentioned on reddit a few weeks ago). The guy could also claim that he is infertile for some unrelated me…	/r/MensRights	28/04/12 07:33 PM
1	Baby dies in a bath while being looked after by mother, Women's group leader says "men also needed to look at their behaviour in such situation" The guy and the girl have as much knowledge. They know whether or not they could conceive a child (if they've had a vasectomy, tubal ligation, they're on birth control or they are using their own condom) and they don't know whether or not the other person can or not. Since neither can know whether the other is fertile and or is using appropriate birth control, they have the responsibility to use their own and any failure to do so will be their fault, both the male and the female. The girl has no…	/r/MensRights	28/04/12 05:03 PM
1	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap I find your hypotheses very convincing. There's definitely a lot of voluntary or quasi-voluntary choices at play. Thanks for your input. The follow up question I have though are the following. About your second point: with the appearance of new, more equal families in which the Dad takes care of the kids as often as the Mom (which is, it seems to me, what most people on MR seek), should we not be seeing a decrease in the wage gap? Do you think that's happening? Is your personal experience that w…	/r/MensRights	17/04/12 04:50 AM
0	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap Racism and unequal rights for blacks and whites was considered a problem 50 years ago—and made illegal even before, I guess—and public opinion has only become less and less consciously racist since then. Yet it seems difficult to argue that there isn't still racism in this country, most of it unconscious. I don't find it hard to believe at all that a law failed to change deeply seated beliefs and instincts in only 50 years. Once again, whether or not the wage gap exists, to which extent, to whos…	/r/MensRights	17/04/12 04:40 AM
2	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap I don't think any reasonable person claims there's a sexist or racist conspiracy. Almost everybody agrees that all ethnicities, sexes and genders should be treated equally. But there might still be unconscious sexism/racism. When I heard my pilot was a woman, a few month back, it surprised me in a way I disliked, yet I had that reaction. When I saw an older man with small kids a few weeks ago, I had uneasy feelings for a few second before I thought (and that's despite the fact that I've been a m…	/r/MensRights	16/04/12 06:06 PM
5	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap Assuming women earn 105 to 150% of what men earn, how do you explain this disparity?	/r/MensRights	16/04/12 03:17 PM
36	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap The fact that it's illegal doesn't prove anything. Murder is illegal, rape is illegal, theft is illegal, etc. and they still happen. It might or might not be true that part of or all of the pay gap is explained by the nature of the work, but your post hasn't proven anything.	/r/MensRights	16/04/12 03:16 PM
-10	Obama revives an old feminist myth. "When more women are bringing home the bacon, but bringing home less of it than men who are doing the same work, that weakens families, it weakens communities, it’s tough on our kids, it weakens our entire economy.” Women victims of wage gap Of course no company pays women less legally, it doesn't mean they don't pay women less overall. It's possible women are indeed treated unfairly, the same way shorter men are probably paid less than taller ones. It's also possible they're not and the explanations given in the article explain away the whole gap.	/r/MensRights	16/04/12 03:14 PM
-2	This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously. What she quoted I mean... if I approached one of these girls at a bar or at a party she'd look at me (I'm not some hideous fucking chudd, but I'm no Jason Statham) like "How... dare you talk to me" and make snide comments to her friends about me, in front of me, until I left. is a case in which women were not seen as human beings with varied personalities, ambitions and feelings.	/r/MensRights	04/03/12 10:19 PM
0	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? There's no politics involved in what I'm saying, although of course politics is an important aspect of any movement. Let me reiterate here: I want to fight those that oppose men's rights with as much vigor as the next guy. The only difference between me and you is you're fixated on a label and I care about actions and beliefs. And your fixation ends up hurting your cause because the label and the beliefs do not map onto each other. You are destroying this movement, not me. Is that not confrontat…	/r/MensRights	04/03/12 02:59 AM
-1	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? Assume that's true. Even if his goal is to destroy MR, the arguments he makes might be valid. Whatever his goal, his points should be debated based on the points themselves, not on his identity, activity or intentions.	/r/MensRights	04/03/12 01:28 AM
0	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? You know, you might be right. But even if you were, his idea is still good. Let's assume for a moment all feminists are anti-equality and anti-men's rights. Claiming that we are "anti-inequality" or "pro-men's rights" will be completely equivalent to saying we are "anti-feminist" (or rather it'll be even broader). On the other hand, assume I am right and many feminists, at least the less vocal ones, would be very sympathetic to MR if they were exposed to it. The subtitle makes them automatically…	/r/MensRights	04/03/12 01:26 AM
0	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? Your ad hominem isn't helping your case. But I think you're still misunderstanding my point: if there are good feminists and MRA's approach is "we are for an equal society, and in particular equal rights for men", they will help if there are none, they will be repelled by the "equal rights for men" and the situation won't change Either way it would be a good thing for the MR movement to have a positive rather than a reactive outlook. This is not about being offended.	/r/MensRights	04/03/12 01:24 AM
2	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? You're completely misunderstanding what "good feminists" is for him (and me). A good feminist is somebody who fights for equal rights for women as part of an egalitarian society. It's not somebody who fights for more rights for women or any other bullshit. MRA should not embrace good feminists to be nice, it should do so because they are natural allies. When the subreddit uses such an aggressive tone against a term, it robs itself of potential allies. The title should read "against discriminatio…	/r/MensRights	03/03/12 08:27 PM
-2	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? I have to call you out. Number of times you've said MRAs are reasonable and fact based: 3+ in 5 posts no matter how reasonable mras have tried to be Mras tend to use independent research and facts, feminists use verbal abuse, slander and advocacy research and myths... so. There is a long history of mra trying to reason with feminists. Decades. Number of sources (study, research, proof) you provide: 0	/r/MensRights	03/03/12 08:14 PM
12	Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry? By we he means "the people who can change it, advised by the community at large" and that's why he created a self post, to express his opinion and gather support or comments like yours. The fact that he has or hasn't been active is irrelevant to the quality of his argument. The facts that x or y person is fighting MR or that MR is fighting them (or both) are equally irrelevant. If it's the former, then the subtitle defines MR as "what x and y fight" and if it's the latter, it defines MR as "what…	/r/MensRights	03/03/12 08:09 PM
1	Depressed Army reservist who wrongly called National Suicide Hotline for help, says dozens of police responded by surrounding his home and arresting him, vandalizing and searching his place without a warrant, seizing his dog and killing his tropical fish (xpost from r/politics) I am all for defending vets against civil and human right violations. All I am saying is that this is not an issue that can be qualified as "men's right" because it is highly unclear that men and women in the same situation would be treated differently. This is not my opinion, this is the accepted definition of male discrimination. But honestly I don't know what I'm replying to since your post doesn't actually address my point but is instead "I don't care whether I'm right or wrong, we'll do it …	/r/MensRights	08/02/12 04:32 PM
4	Korean HR commission rules against women-only library \| Asian Correspondent I think it probably would. Separate but equal is generally not accepted.	/r/MensRights	07/02/12 10:02 PM
1	I tried to have a meaningful conversation with a liberal feminist, yet this sums up my experience. I don't know exactly who has it worse in the workplace (but either way discrimination that "cancels out" is still outrageous) but the jobs lost during the recession were in particular sectors that are more likely to have men. It seems to me, for example, that health care and education expanded while the rest contracted. That might explain some or all of the effect.	/r/MensRights	07/02/12 09:58 PM
1	Depressed Army reservist who wrongly called National Suicide Hotline for help, says dozens of police responded by surrounding his home and arresting him, vandalizing and searching his place without a warrant, seizing his dog and killing his tropical fish (xpost from r/politics) If the majority of veterans are male because of their own choices and the police officers tend to mistreat vets that are armed and have PTSD/Depression then it's still not a Men's Rights issue but a veterans' right and welfare issue, until proven otherwise. Another article that shows that men are treated less well than women or suspected unjustly where women aren't would be Men's right. But here we're just stretching the meaning of the article because of the outrageous actions of the police.	/r/MensRights	07/02/12 09:06 PM
1	Two female students given brownies laced with (~90 doses) laxatives to 12 male students [details are in the comments of the article] Fortunately terms can't be redefined just because a lot of people think it should be.	/r/MensRights	07/02/12 02:28 PM
3	Two female students given brownies laced with (~90 doses) laxatives to 12 male students [details are in the comments of the article] I'm male and I support many of MensRight's values (and some of feminism too). There is no down vote brigade and I am very open to ideas, such as the one that says this story is not related to the MR movement.	/r/MensRights	07/02/12 04:24 AM
4	Two female students given brownies laced with (~90 doses) laxatives to 12 male students [details are in the comments of the article] This is not a Men's Rights issue until proven otherwise. Not all crimes done by women on men are sexist the same way not all crimes done by whites on blacks are racist (and vice versa for both). Downvoting this submission.	/r/MensRights	06/02/12 08:21 PM
1	Breast Cancer Doesn't Discriminate Against Men » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the ACLU The word circumcision is not an euphemism at all. It means to cut around [the penis], that is to cut the foreskin, and it is exactly what is done. The word "mutilation" is way too morally charged to be accurate. You could call it genital cutting or foreskin removal if you wanted though (the former is, IMO, too general, and surely you agree cutting the foreskin and cutting the glans, for example, yet both are included in this term)	/r/MensRights	06/02/12 08:14 PM
-1	Breast Cancer Doesn't Discriminate Against Men » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the ACLU I do believe they are not the same. First off, we need to define what "female genital mutilation" means since it can encompass multiple practices. Either way, circumcision with anesthesia leads to, at most, a small number of drawbacks whereas some operations done on girls in a multitude of societies are strongly negative, especially in terms of sexual satisfaction and, obviously, on pain. I do agree that we should not remove the foreskin of male babies but either way the ACLU does not support ci…	/r/MensRights	06/02/12 08:08 PM
-10	Breast Cancer Doesn't Discriminate Against Men » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the ACLU I read your statement and sought to get a bit more information about that. First of all, calling it "infant genital mutilation" is like calling pro-legal abortion and anti-legal abortion people pro-choice and pro-life, respectively, it stops any debate and is dishonest. The word "circumcision" does the job just fine, whether you are for it or against it. Second, whether or not what the ACLU does in terms of circumcision is moral or not, it is undeniable that the ACLU is a very important and usef…	/r/MensRights	05/02/12 11:26 PM
2	"More men are raped by men in prison than women raped by men in all of the general population. This staggering 'hate fact' was deleted at some point by a Wikipedia editor." - Jack Donovan I'm not implying men only get raped in prison. It's possible more men get raped than women. I'm only writing in the context of the OP's headline. The assumption I make do not further my point: all prisoners are male females are exactly 50% of the population there is no unreported rape among females there is 100% unreported rape among prisoners	/r/MensRights	14/11/11 02:55 AM
2	"More men are raped by men in prison than women raped by men in all of the general population. This staggering 'hate fact' was deleted at some point by a Wikipedia editor." - Jack Donovan If you assume 6% of women have been raped in their lifetime (I believe you quote 1/16, I'm being more conservative), that is 3% of the general population (ignoring male rapes for the sake of the argument). And if you assume that at least 90% of the prisoners currently in prison will be in prison in the future (either because they've been sentenced to a long time in prison or because of the huge rates of recidivism), ie you have 10% of the prison population or 0.1% of the general population chang…	/r/MensRights	14/11/11 02:43 AM
1	"More men are raped by men in prison than women raped by men in all of the general population. This staggering 'hate fact' was deleted at some point by a Wikipedia editor." - Jack Donovan If you assume that the number of women raped is correct (I'll take srsface's 16% for this example) and you assume the stigma is such that nobody reports rape in the prison population but that it happens to everybody You reach the conclusion that more women are raped than male prisoners. Obviously it doesn't mean rape on women is more important -- we're not looking at absolute numbers to make that type of decision -- it just means the claim made by the OP is incorrect. Do we agree on that?	/r/MensRights	14/11/11 02:15 AM
7	Apology to Men's Rights Activists Yes, no true MRA would ever threaten somebody with violence. Scotsmen though... /s	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 04:24 PM
20	Apology to Men's Rights Activists Feminist != anti-male or anti-male equality.	/r/MensRights	24/10/11 04:22 PM
2	> Misandry Against Boys In School: "You could see the little girls, fat with complacency and conceit while the little boys sat there crumpled, apologising for their existence, thinking this was going to be the pattern of their lives." Result Of Feminism. The main thing I disagree with on his subreddit is the liberal use of the word "feminist" to essentially mean misandry. Despite the fact that the NAACP (or some of it) at times claims egregious things, opposing racism againsts blacks does not make one racist against whites. Those are two separate issues. Lessing shows this very clearly by both being a feminist AND defending men when necessary.	/r/MensRights	20/10/11 06:13 PM
3	As a man, this is how I demonstrate the insanity of ‘blaming’ and ‘slut shaming’ rape victims! The rapes of regret don't matter compared to the rapes of "no" from a moral standpoint. We should definitely push the idea that when drunk, or under the influence of other drugs, one can make decisions one would never make sober and that these substances have to be used with caution. But the real problem most people, both on Men's right and among the general population, see is a situation in which the girl says no relatively clearly yet sex is forced on her at the time (or alternatively the rapi…	/r/MensRights	10/06/11 08:20 PM
2	i have no idea anymore what words like 'feminism' and 'rape' mean. The common meanings are long gone and they've become Orwellian doublespeak: language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outrageous Here definition 2 and 3 are what you should look at. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violate Here mostly definition 1 and 2.	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 12:01 PM
3	i have no idea anymore what words like 'feminism' and 'rape' mean. The common meanings are long gone and they've become Orwellian doublespeak: language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words. No, that's not what it says.	/r/MensRights	20/12/10 11:08 AM
3	"If a woman lies about getting raped, she should go to prison for as long as he would have if he actually did it." -- my sister As opposed to younger generations? Quite a broad statement here.	/r/MensRights	18/12/10 02:25 PM
-2	"If a woman lies about getting raped, she should go to prison for as long as he would have if he actually did it." -- my sister Saying that one crime is worse than the other is not denying that either happened. I also do not believe that the accuser should be held responsible for what happens in prison: it's the state's job to ensure that those accused of crimes are held safely until their accusation is looked at by a court. It's also society's job to not over-react and internalize the "innocent until proven guilty" guideline of our justice system. All in all, I'm pretty sure being raped is quite horrible. I'm pretty sur…	/r/MensRights	18/12/10 02:21 PM
1	This is an unacceptable way of treating your son I think there are different levels of "accountability" and "understanding right from wrong". It's had to argue a 6 year old does not know hitting others is wrong. He might not understand all the implications of why it is wrong, but he knows it is. And as they grow up, they understand more and more. I would expect a 10 year old to be able to make good decisions most of the time, or at least know when to ask for help making them.	/r/MensRights	01/12/10 12:43 AM
4	Courts get a new way to discriminate against fathers First of all it's very possible the couple was never married and kept their property. Even if they didn't, a child costs money at least until the end of college, and a substantial amount of it. It's usually considered reasonable to ask of the child's parents to pay for these expenses and it would be unfair to ask one to foot the whole bill when the other can do it too.	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 01:18 PM
2	Courts get a new way to discriminate against fathers Thanks.	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 02:10 AM
2	Courts get a new way to discriminate against fathers Assume a father or a mother has to pay child support (for good reasons, no "forced into having a kid"), what does MensRights think should be the court's court of action?	/r/MensRights	10/11/10 12:00 AM
1	My kids just told me my 4 year old daughter slept in the bed with Mom and her boyfriend. Big difference is there is a sizeable part of society (and, I believe most men and women on reddit) that both call themselves feminists and believe in men's rights. I don't think the same is true with Nazis. The "opposition" is not fringe.	/r/MensRights	04/11/10 11:10 PM
5	Please tell your daughters never to hit boys (except in self-defense) as it would be exploitative of a double-standard and would thus be unsports[wo]manlike. Yes but honestly it is not often necessary. Grabbing wrists and pushing people away is probably enough...	/r/MensRights	05/05/10 01:10 AM
2	Study shows men and women commit domestic violence at roughly equal rates Wait did you read the article? Like the second page? Is this ironic?	/r/MensRights	06/04/10 11:44 PM