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Question for BluePilliamyo/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 06:08 PM
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How do you know she isn't also trying to avoid rejection?
/r/seduction02/01/18 02:02 AM
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Well OK then!
/r/seduction08/02/16 04:32 AM
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Boringness is actually completely context dependent. Richard Feynman would be boring to a bunch of Republican businessmen who wanted to play golf. No one is interesting to everyone.
/r/seduction04/02/16 09:15 AM
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That sounds insane but I googled and it really happened (if this website is legitimate) http://www.hngn.com/articles/132366/20150922/north-carolina-teen-federally-charged-possessed-naked-selfies-himself.htm
/r/MensRights05/12/15 07:37 AM
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Of COURSE. There are SO many reasons a good looking woman who likes sex would not be sleeping with people--fear of getting hurt, dislike of the distracting elements of sexual relationships, picky about partners, religious beliefs, shy, shy about body/looks, feelings of shame/conflicted about sex, too busy to go out and meet people, not good at sending out the right signals, gets overlooked as sexual possibility due to vibe ('sweet, innocent'), balks when getting hit on or doesn't pick up on it..…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 12:49 AM
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Women don't like having careers? This is news to me. I think there's some middle ground between sexist and 'this is how a woman/man is or should be.' Like this: http://www.guy-sports.com/months/woman_should_know.htm It's dumb but it's not really sexist--unless you think any norms toward anyone to fit in a gender are sexist. I guess they could be. You also see many men's magazines where there are dozens of suggestions about how men should learn to cook, men should own things like dishes, what kin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/15 08:59 AM
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Well, sometimes. I think sometimes they honestly want a 'mom' or they just can't get their shit together. People often pick partners they think will remedy their deficiencies. Or they're afraid of adulthood and they seek someone they perceive as 'more adult' than themselves. I agree it is a very bad idea and turns toxic pretty quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 04:20 PM
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I guess that reading Red Pill I'd say the exhortations to women should be about not depending on men. Would that be sexist? What's a non-sexist exhortation to women? It's weird but I take much of this stuff on reddit to indicate many people need some kind of general instruction about how to behave in relationships. The weird part is--to me--the instructions people need are instructions about how to be a decent, mature, ethical person. Clearly, women also need this instruction. It seems like ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 04:16 PM
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I wonder why they pick those women. Everyone in Red Pill thinks it is some kind of trick the women pull but I do think many men like very assertive women--and all the alphas I know like women like this. Where we live there are lots of laid back Type B type men who pick driven Type A. They all seem pretty happy (but you can't tell that about people). As far as the economics, I see nothing that Red Pillers say to be true for urban professionals--either they are matched equally in income or the wif…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/15 03:30 AM
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You assume that people don't want that. I wonder if some men don't marry women who will push them. I think many times people get what they actually want. It doesn't make sense to us but we don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 09:42 PM
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I don't know any alphas who want a submissive woman. I've never met a man capable of getting a lot of women who wants a woman who isn't a challenge and somewhat detached and hard to attain--especially emotionally. The part of TRP that makes sense is the dominance-submissive aspect of heterosexuality in the sexual sense. It is kind of built into heterosexual relationships and the different things like 'shit tests' and such are very revealing. But it only makes sense for rather young stereotypical…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 05:19 AM
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The women and children were taken as slaves. The male children would be slaves. Again, this theory depends on there being a very, very specific 'module' in the mind that is a sex linked characteristic and that passes down but only to one sex. Both those ideas really aren't very plausible from an evolutionary or biological standpoint. People of both sexes dissimulate when their life is in danger and trauma will make us do this much more. It is very common for all humans to internalize certain exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/15 12:15 AM
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Warren Buffett--good example. Can't he have anyone he wants? What about Bill Gates? Why are these men marrying these supposedly 'past the wall' women when they can have anyone they want? Buffett married this woman recently. I can find thousands of such examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 11:25 PM
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If that woman is 36 I'm a Ford Escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 11:14 PM
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It gives the skin quite a glow in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 11:11 PM
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Decline significantly. Optimal age. Lock down a guy. This is all very funny. Do people really think like this? How old are you people anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 11:10 PM
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I was just kidding. I'm not saying what you are claiming isn't interesting but...I don't think you have the whole story. I'm using Duck Duck Go but for 'a woman should' I get things like --10 things a woman should never say to her man --Women you should know (editorial site) --1 Corinthians 14:34 Women Should Remain Silent in the Churches --10 Men Christian Women Should Never Marry --8 Women Christian Men Should Never Marry --Why Women Should Lift Weights So I don't know--if I do 'how a woman sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 01:06 PM
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They tell men not to CHEAT? The bastards!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 06:00 AM
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I didn't say it wasn't meaningful--I said it wasn't biologically meaningful. That's what people mean when they say it is social. 'American' is not a biological category but it is meaningful. No, I don't think we should stop using ideas or race or stop using it in studies or anything else. I do think you won't have very good data about people's genes in a study of their behavior or ability based on race when they don't share significant genetic characteristics. Genetics is sometimes a good explan…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 11:21 PM
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Cool. I think the truth is that the person who makes more money in a situation is going to lose--my sister in law was a lawyer and her husband was always in school and a pothead and when they divorced he took a fairly sizable chunk of her income and she had to buy him out of the house that she bought completely with all the money that she earned. It was even more ridiculous because he had a kid that she had supported all that time so it's not like he was bringing something in to the situation an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 03:02 AM
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I understand. For your goals it does not make sense. Marriage doesn't make sense to a lot of people. I'm impressed you had a lot of money in your early 20s! Most people have nothing in their early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:51 PM
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It can't be genetic clustering and then be race because genetic clustering would be national groups and race is not this. So 'slavic' is a genetic clustering maybe (not actually--there are much more genetic clustering within slavic people--so even Slavic won't be a genetic clustering....but because they all lived close to each other, there will be more likelihood of a shared biomarker. If you made every genetic clustering a race there would be thousands and if you picked out the ones you care ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:45 PM
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But for 'race' to be true it has to be that there is something more meaningful than 'there are these few characteristics that some of the group share are more likely that others don't share.' All people of the race have to have some shared characteristics that have a deeper significance. Otherwise, on this understanding, blood type would be a race. Bone marrow transplant is really complicated and doesn't prove anything because it's not like any white person can take any other white person's bone…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:18 PM
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It seems like RP is diverse. Some are more about the sex part--women like commanding, confident, masculine men--be more like that and get more women. Some of it is in relationships--the shit tests (those are pretty interesting). Some of it is a bigger view about 'female nature' and women. Some of it is about society, etc. So some is--interpersonal strategy and sex strategy--and some of it is larger views about men, women, society. Yes, treating it like dogma makes sense to me, to be honest. Mayb…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:08 PM
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That's great. Oh, I definitely know an alpha male can be a non-asshole and a great guy. I even know some very alpha male feminists. My best friend in college was super alpha---and then at the bottom of his med school class and he snagged the woman who was the very top of the class. She is extremely attractive. He took care of the baby when she had a fellowship of some kind. I remember we'd be in the park with our kids and just like college-- everywhere we went women's eyes would follow him. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:39 PM
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This is a confusion between the fact there are clusters of diseases among people sharing a race and the idea of race. So, e.g., there are diseases much more common among Finns and people of northern Europe but people of northern Europe are not a race. There may diseases black people are more prone to but not all black people are prone to it and not all have a shared bit of DNA that would make them black. There are bits of genes shared by people who were clustered together geographically but thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 03:52 PM
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But a race is a meaningful group. It won't be biological meaningful if all those who are thought to be part of a racial category don't share a particular set of genetic traits. It's just a scientific perspective on it. This is not a political opinion. It's not that people don't disagree but this is widely held scientific view on race I am expressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:44 AM
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You can find a person's race but you can't find a biomarker that goes across races such that all the person of that race shares it. That is what you would need. The human genetic differences are not indicative of anything like a species. There are a lot of genes people have and different people have different genes. This doesn't really prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:37 AM
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Races are not a species. There is no scientific or biological basis for the racial division we make among human beings. There is simply no genetic marker that correlates with race. There's nothing in the DNA that all black people share in virtue of being black. There are visual phenotypical characteristics and that is all. It's not very meaningful, scientifically speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 07:03 AM
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But intelligence isn't correlated with brain volume overall--just parts of the brain. Also, you can't tell about brain volume from the skeleton. Also, intelligence is multifactorial and one 'race' will not have any overlap in terms of what they inherit--so a Bavarian person may have no more overlap with an Irish person than a Bavarian person and and a person who is Kikuyu from Kenya. Two people who are of African descent may have no more genetically in common than they have in common with a pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 06:16 AM
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That's very self-aware. It seems like AWALT--in fact a lot of RP is a way to protect oneself from the emotional roller coaster of relationships. It's a heart-protecting theory for sure. Maybe it's a lot of things but it seems like a lot of strands in it are going to tell you not to hope for love, not to be hurt by love, not to let love feelings derail you, if you aren't loved, it means nothing, if you are loved, don't let your guard down and setting into it, etc. That's one thing I never hear pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 06:12 AM
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I thought Purple Pill is all about argument for the sake of argument! I'm a bit like the OP in the sense that--in the abstract I don't care about having a relationship and don't need one. I'm not asexual but sex is not so important to me--if it is a distraction for my goals, then I prefer to put it aside. Concretely, I love my husband intensely so I could not be happy without him, that specific person. I don't know whether I would bother looking or another person if our relationship ended someho…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 06:06 AM
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Makes sense. You can still think slow about lust--but lust itself doesn't have the best track record for our thinking. I don't think lust gives us any excuses though. People get much more bent out of shape about lust but logical love is much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:49 AM
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It's irrelevant because there's no underlying genetic relationship between the phenotypical traits and intelligence and the phenotypical traits are not shared by people of the same race. So it is very unlikely that it is genetic in origin. And of course people question the validity of those studies also.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 05:20 AM
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Good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 04:54 AM
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Happy birthday!!! I was probably getting carried away and responding to 10 comments at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 02:47 AM
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I'm using the dominance tips a little. They are great. I stopped asking people's opinion and just telling them what to do at work. I get more respect this way. But I'm polite about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 10:23 PM
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That's a useful distinction--the tradcons v. the non tradcons. I actually find TRP interesting and revealing of certain dynamics between people--but more the psychological observations, much less the sort of 'here's how to live your life' part. I think some women would be happier if they could get past all the 'men should be strong' bullshit. I know a lot of couples where it is i a way the case that the man is pretty much stay at home dad but he is a musician or an artist or a chef--but the reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 10:22 PM
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Yes, but it's all about what you should do in life, with your life. There's definitely a judgment about a person's overall value built in--but only among some people who subscribe to TRP--not among everyone. The aspect of TRP you describe is very plausible. I have no issues with it. I think it makes total sense for a lot of people to learn these behaviors in terms of their sex life or even interpersonally and if it helps them find a happy path, then I would not object. I do not like it when it s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 10:01 PM
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Certain versions of TRP do not have a good view of men. So--my father in law and my great uncle who were in the army and survived WWII are totally beta by TRP standards. My wonderful, incredible uncle who just got a full military funeral (beautiful) is a stupid, worthless person who apparently had no purpose to his life because he did not realize women were sluts and acted accordingly. My father in law who had hundreds of people at his funeral--many sobbing remembering what an incredibly good pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:43 PM
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Yes, but then it's not 200,000 years old because the traits only became relevant to human societies much later. There's no underlying DNA marker for these shared traits. http://partners.nytimes.com/library/national/science/082200sci-genetics-race.html
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:35 PM
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You can't get statistics of the type you'd need to prove anything because you can't get a neighborhood that is white that is a poor as a black neighborhood. You can't control for income perfectly. But to the extent you control for income--equally poor people who are either white or black commit crime at the same rates: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/badcomm.htm The racial argument on this is beyond stupid. Look at the crime rate in England during the rise of rural displacement and then tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:23 PM
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The flaw in the study is that there isn't a genetic overlap between the people in the studies--so there's no biological mechanism underlying the similarities between these 'raced' people http://tools.medicine.yale.edu/kidd/www/440.pdf Of course, the studies would show that whites are inferior to Asians. And there's no 'genetic' issue because the differences do not apply between Americans and other people of African descent. I might be wrong but I recall the one of the main people behind the (man…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:13 PM
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Different races have existed for roughly 200,000 years. What's a race? We have differences in physical appearance. Is that what a race is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:58 PM
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You are describing what I would imagine it is like to be successful at TRP--I would imagine it would involve limiting yourself to a narrow range of options and behaviors and so it involves effort and inhibition and emotional isolation of certain kinds. Then, it works because it hooks into a very predominant set of social norms and expectations in our society and you are more valued by others because you can fall in line with those expectations. TRP reminds me of 'being cool.' In youth, you see p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:53 PM
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It's decent satire but it also gets at what some women fear about men. In fact it isn't true but it would be useful as a tool to manipulate people--if you think about people as tools for your use. And if you believe it, it probably becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:25 PM
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Only certain women know how men work. Many women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:21 PM
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Nothing. It's a good claim to make to start off a discussion and I never made the connection between Rand and TRP but she'd probably like many aspects of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:18 PM
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Physically unattractive? Just how you're physically put together? Male for sure. Women are taught to value themselves for their physical appearance. If you're a man, you have a shot at building yourself up in some way and you can still attract many women. If you are a woman, forget it. You can still enjoy your life as an unattractive female and I believe you can still find someone to love you but you are forced to transcend society's perspective that only physically attractive females are valuab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:15 PM
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Are you talking about--how many women have been sexually assaulted ever? Or how many women are assaulted during their college years? That would be--in a woman's lifetime she has a 1 in 5 chance of meeting a predatory type of person by the time she is in college. It wouldn't be just any man--it's not like there is 1 rapist per rape victim. They are including child sexual assault. The people who are responsible for this are often responsible for dozens and sometimes hundreds of assaults. So it's o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 05:05 PM
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Ayn Rand says that but virtually no one besides her and her followers believes this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:52 PM
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Of course. Yes. If you can stop a person from being attacked, you have to stop them from being attacked.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:51 PM
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Binge drinking in college is an enormous problem--why can't we get rid of binge drinking and the things that lead to binge drinking? They keep trying but they never figure it out. If people weren't so insanely wasted so many fewer problems would result. I remember when a cousin came to visit me in my first college (he was basically a teen runaway at the time and a huge drug user)---he was shocked about the binge drinking. But I've noticed the richer the kids' families are, the less they are worr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:50 PM
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Oh, right. Except wouldn't TRP want us to go back to our supposed natural hierarchy between men and women where men are in control of everything and women get no say in anything whatsoever? I could see MRM being OK with that. It seems like you'd have to go back to that to make the MRM completely happy--I just don't know how you would ever change things enough to make them happy otherwise. (Maybe that wouldn't work though because the 'female privileges' would still be there like being trusted mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:39 PM
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Seduction strategy does work better than no seduction strategy. But to me it looks like sales--like you learn to sell yourself. A salesman would not think he had found the key to all human behavior and personality. He'd know psychology--e.g., 'more people trust you if you have a firm handshake' or whatnot. Gradually, he'd succeed much more--but general universal truths do not follow from these observations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:32 PM
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Also: panic about the quality of science education in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:27 PM
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There are various elements of RP strategy. One is for finding a mate (or lots and lots of mates) and one is for keeping a relationship going.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 08:28 AM
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Sufficient to show there are really significant gender differences that will determine behavior and create some sort of natural hierarchy between men and women. You'd need to show that there is some extreme difference that cannot be breeched by social choice--and this different really extends to all aspects of the personality to really make TRP plausible from a scientific standpoint. Otherwise you are just saying 'heterosexual human females respond sexually to definite indicators that a potentia…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:53 AM
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I agree with this. There are many issues that are simply 'human' issues. We want a society where the people who are best at certain tasks do those tasks. We should have a society where no one is getting massively screwed, whatever their gender. If working class men are falling to the bottom in the current system--this is a major issue we all have to solve. This is a huge problem. I don't think that makes me a men's rights activist at all. (But of course I'm more of a commie also so this may be w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:46 AM
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I agree that males and females are not exactly the same. The issue is going to be much more about what the differences are specifically, how universal they are, what they mean, etc. Just showing there are some likely differences is not going to be sufficient here as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:15 AM
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But science involves objective studies---not looking at your life or comparing notes with people but creating the most rigorous methods for avoiding bias. It basically tries to teach us that what we think we can just 'see' in the world might not be there--we have to trust these objective strategies rather than our own experience. That's very basic to science. It's always fighting our tendency to bias in favor of our own beliefs. So you would really have to have actual experiments where you would…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:13 AM
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I didn't mean to conflate them because the differences are really interesting. I guess I was thinking that you could simply substitute 'gay men' in there and some of the argument would fall apart. (According to the paper there should be no price on your ass...unless I'm misunderstanding.) I like the way you separate out TRP and MRA. I see the difference. But I have heard MRA sentiments expressed by TRP--the idea that women victimize men in certain ways. Another similarity between TRP and MRA as …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:12 AM
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True. It is interesting that I can neutralize my feminist dander but not neutralize my concern about how they think of men. I'm sure this says something about me--and also women and our tendency to identify with men-- that I empathize with the men when they are bashing women but feel sad when the most wonderful men on earth are considered to be LOSERS because they don't get as many sexual partners as a completely one-dimensional predatory scumbag. (The whole schema falls apart for basically ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 07:06 AM
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Interesting theory but why 'Brandi'? I always imagine Brandi as a nice barmaid. A kindly one who is a fine girl and would be a good wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:58 AM
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I always thought 'creepy' meant: this person intends me harm in some way. So a 'creepy' man would be someone who acts nicely on a surface level but you feel hostility oozing out of him. And you feel slightly afraid--Hence, creeped out. Creepy is just the gap between the attempt to be harmless/friendly and the actual emotions of the person that you intuit. If a man ignores you, he isn't creepy. If he genuinely likes you as a friend he isn't creepy. If he has crazy raging lust which is physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:47 AM
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I have trouble with that--the pseudoscience stuff. Also, the history and the social science. For example, many people say that feminism has kind of penetrated everyone's minds and so on and so forth. I do not think this is often the best explanation for certain issues people are having in our society or with women. However, to me it is a great strategic approach for men who are sexually attracted to a certain type of woman. This could even work well for couples who have particular emotional need…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 06:19 AM
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That's a pretty interesting paper. You could use that as a model but there are some fairly big gaps. For example, in rape, it says that men just look on rape from women as a minor unpleasant experience--contradicting MRA claims--but of course it is leaving out rape of men by men. So it's not true that men's sexuality cannot be 'taken' as a threat. That would disconfirm the idea that men's sexuality is valueless. There's also nothing to confirm TRP because it would just say 'these are widespread …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 04:12 AM
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I certainly believe that there are things you can learn from others about how to behave interpersonally in the sexual marketplace that will increase your success--but they can't verify such a large theory about human beings--it's a huge theory about human beings. I could know three people whose kids developed autism after getting vaccines but it does not show vaccines cause autism. It seems very plausible TRP teaches men things they can find useful in meeting their romantic goals. I took it the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 03:59 AM
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Can you go from (a) the scientific finding exactly to (b) a specific RP claim--or find some robust scientific support for a large cluster of claims that can be identified as TRP theory? For example, both males and females are exposed to testosterone in utero. So it's not clear what it shows that testosterone has an effect on brain development--of course it does. This: "It has been confirmed in several studies that testosterone can significantly affect brain development. Following metabolism of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 03:52 AM
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There are a bunch of things in TRP that are intuition about power dynamics. These could be based on science but could be based on observation/people's experience. There are a bunch of aspects of TRP so you have to look at which one you are interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 03:43 AM
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Oh, no---I did not get my way. We were not fighting to win. He would just say something mean and hurt my feelings. Then I would be really hurt. Then he would cry. Then I would forgive him because I would see what was causing these actions of his--I could totally identify with what was going on with him. Then we would make up. Rinse, repeat. I hated the idea of being vulnerable, our connection was so strong, the feelings were too much and we did not know how to handle them. I wouldn't see crying …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 01:11 AM
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Yes, I agree that is completely unfair. They should opt for one of the three things he mentions. I don't really see the latter part follows form the former. It's just a group of people who want women to exercise more and think women are self conscious about exercising. I don't think that's such a terrible thing. It seems silly though. I don't think it is a problem if women want to exercise with only women or have that option or men with men--but there should be a vice versa. Like 'single sex' ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 08:27 AM
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I'll check that out--thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 08:12 AM
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Oh, I don't mean to use wolves as a model for how we live. I think we are rational beings who have many choices about how we live. We should live in the way that makes life the best for the most people. I agree the better idea would be to have men's hours only and women's hours only and let men play in women's sports--so there won't be understandings like this. It could be a gym trying to compete in some way and possibly has nothing to do with feminism--that's the thing--maybe they just know if …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 08:11 AM
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We aren't a matriarchy. But we do work together. And we have an incredibly wide range of options for societies that are functional. There are huge, huge differences between human societies. There are a few matrilineal or matriarchal societies--but only a very few. Humans generally share the tasks. It seems most efficient to me that you create a society where people are available to share tasks without any particular barriers to them. But how you arrange society is too complicated a matter to jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 07:15 AM
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I'm sure that's true if alpha traits exist--it would be very affected by circumstance. I was just thinking that RP advice isn't going to work across the board because there's too much variation in preference.. It will work really well for some females though. In nature there are female alphas. (I can only find scientific evidence that wolves have alphas--though there is a dominant male though in different primates). http://io9.com/why-everything-you-know-about-wolf-packs-is-wrong-502754629 http:…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 06:58 AM
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When I was first dating my husband--every time he would cry when we fought and then I'd think oh you really do love me! And then I would have sex with him. Anyway, it's a memory that always reminds me of how my husband could always get into my pants with his tears. In the World According to Garp when he gets the babysitters to have sex with him they ask him what the TS stands for and he says 'terribly sad' and of course uses their sympathy to get them into bed. Please tell me that holding a baby…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 05:15 AM
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Oh, I should look at the Australian statistics. I can only speak for myself and say that of the women I know, more than 20% have been assaulted. Probably 50% of the women I know have been assaulted (violently--not just pinched or something but attempted rape with some beating, etc.) and at least 20% have been raped. Maybe it's just where I grew up. Some in childhood, and some just in regular life. We are not talking about date rape or getting drunk and regretting it the next day or anything. Peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 07:44 AM
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Congrats on your engagement! :) This discussion amuses me because I supported my husband financially for several years (in the past, after he went to grad school). And I still make more money than he does. Like over half of the women I know. For professionals who marry other professionals this all doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I don't know who these women are who are marrying men who are making so much more money than they do. Most people marry people of the same class/educational level. ht…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 07:04 AM
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It's true-- I think for many women the idea was if you did not marry there was something wrong with you. Like it is shameful for a woman not to marry. I like solitude. The one thing I was very hesitant about in getting married was losing my chance for solitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 06:53 AM
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If that's the issue, the solution is for people to support themselves financially in a marriage, not blend their money. Make pre-nups stricter? There's no reason for marriage to be an economic transaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 06:52 AM
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Oh, thanks. This is a study of college students, not everyone. As far as I can tell there are 4,000 accusations of sexual assault (assuming the number is going up from 2012--there have historically been less). (There are more than 4,000 colleges in the US.) There were 30,000 sex assaults in college according to this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 04:17 AM
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I can't say I agree entirely with everything you say but you aren't crazy, let's put it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 04:10 AM
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I'm curious: What are the condemning men to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 04:01 AM
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Are there gender quotas anywhere in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 04:00 AM
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What does the right wing understand about people that the left wing does not understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 03:58 AM
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OK--point taken. I understand the rough idea. I didn't mean there couldn't be a biological reason for how heritability works. Of course there is a biological reason why some people are more successful in creating offspring--but there are also very complex social reasons for that. Look at Mormons. The Mormons are probably the most prolific and have the most children at the current time. You need a social explanation for how Mormon guy X passes on his genes more than atheist guy Y. Atheist guy Y c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 03:46 AM
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There are no radicals on the other side. Everyone is full of love and kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 03:28 AM
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Just curious: What is this survey more respected than the CDC survey? Do you have a link?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/15 03:00 AM
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OK, but your claim wasn't convincing as a claim we have scientific evidence what TRP regards as the cluster of alpha traits are the cluster that make people more fit from an evolutionary standpoint. And I have many other reasons for not accepting the TRP theory as a theory about who is most fit that didn't come up. The idea that alpha traits are just going down the line in DNA is incompatible with the theory of evolution because it's not how heritability works. First, there is no package module …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:37 PM
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Well, they're kidding mostly. I keep talking to the RPers because there are some very intelligent ones in there. Intelligence was always my #1 thing. I suspect that this is something some of them will have to offer. That of course makes RP theory seem false. If the most alpha man is the football player on a campus of a competitive university and he's also not very smart a huge majority of women there will not be interested in him. But if you say 'a lot of women want a smart man, especially smart…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:17 PM
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Does RP fit in here? It seems like all that doesn't require any back-story on men and women and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/15 05:12 PM
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What do you do if women actually want overt social power? What if women offer to switch? Will you switch? What if they say: If the covert power is so super duper you can have the covert power! We'll take the overt power! If the accusations of TRPers make people feel guilty and then they modify their behavior accordingly, is that covert power? What if men could have all that covert power? What if overt power is the good kind of power?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 08:36 PM
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Angerphasers. I have never heard that term. The manosphere is pretty complex. I guess anger is truly common there but there are many things I cannot dismiss. I am learning some things from the manosphere, I confess. But for some of the views--I am in awe that they turned the unwillingness of a woman to sleep with them whenever they want into the biggest social injustice of the last two centuries. You always want to say: "It's not an injustice if people won't have sex with you." And by golly if s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 06:56 PM
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Sure for a certain kind of heterosexual sex. No doubt. It seems like a good explanation for the variety people do seem to seek is not just that there is one A-list person and you have to be on the A-list though. I have seen people bypass the A-list and go straight to seething weirder. Are they just lacking in confidence, think they can't get the A-list? Or do they have boutique tastes? I do not think lizards have life goals. And if they did, is a lizard's life goal a goal for a human being? We c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 08:30 AM
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I wish I knew how to help you but it sounds like you may have PTSD. It's absurd for me to diagnose you like that, actually. I am really saying it in the spirit of: 'you've been through some bad shit but you can recover from that shit.' Finding someone to love is more complicated because you have to get out there and meet a bunch of people and it's hard to do when you re struggling with mental health issues. And also maybe not the best time--because most relationships don't work out so if you're …
/r/ExRedPill05/06/15 06:11 AM
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Well, OK then! I have no objections. Sexbots for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 04:24 AM
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I know but I have my doubts they will be totally OK with a sexbot alone. Also, if porn is any guide it's not just a hole but some woman in awe of one's manly manly manly...y'know. Of course men'll want a sexbot. Duh. But it won't take away the thrill of having a non-programmable woman being all 'oh John!'
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:59 AM
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I like this but don't think RP knows how to magically put it together every time. Too much natural human diversity. It can put it together for some people, though. And about that I say: whatever floats your boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:05 AM
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I hate rainbows.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/15 12:04 AM
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No. If men are killed because they are in the mafia by other men in the mafia this killing is not a gender related injustice. It's not a social or political injustice either, though it could be related to those. It's an issue society could try to figure out how to solve. But it's not something you can say points to something unfair or wrong in the way society is structured.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 11:04 PM
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Oh, OK. And thanks! Your comments are extremely thought-provoking. I need to think about it more but I would totally agree that our bodies are connected to the social roles we usually have. And for SURE don't make everyone adhere to the same set of traits. So that's the rub for some people maybe: Feminine traits are favored and men are being told to adopt them? This can't be across the board though--I adopted masculine traits at work as a strategy and it was amazing. I wore pants (women's style)…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 08:32 PM
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I think I have to get this. For example, you seem smart and reasonable and I have just realized you have more comments. I barely pay attention to the actual usernames or the people on reddit. I'm really just considering all the ideas in abstraction--possibly too much!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:54 PM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:03 PM
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Googled it--yeah, very similar! I would love to meet them. They fascinate me. But I'd probably want anonymity and the ability to get away fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:03 PM
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What's RES? Sorry I have been on reddit for years but I went off reddit for a really long time. Oh, wait--never mind. Google Reddit Enhancement Suite. I'm old school reddit. I did not enhance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:57 PM
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Wow, that sucks. Really? That sucks. I can't speak to that because I don't really know enough about the ins and outs of the subreddits. I feel like there is all this stuff I am not understanding. I'm just really fascinated by the arguments made because even though the TRPs don't convince me of their big giant theory about evolutionary psychology, they do make me reconsider things I had just assumed were true and I really like that. Assuming what you say is true, I guess I'm glad I never opted fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:52 PM
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I had a quick look at it and I don't see the blue pillers spouting racism but I will have to look more closely because I don't know who is TBP and who is not? Do you know each other? I don't even look at people's user names half the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:50 PM
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Possibly. I'm only human.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:22 PM
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No--I was making fun of myself. Sigh. My point to him was that he is not lame. People over interpret rejection. This is the lesson of Seddit--it's not about you. My point was: You are probably sexy. Someone probably already thought you were sexy but you lacked confidence/did not notice. Seddit will show you how to use your sexiness to your advantage. I was actually joking about how you can't find evidence for these things and so my argument was lame. And the internet is lame.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:19 PM
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I'm not TBP. I'm not an SJW. I'm none of those things. I just like to find out what arguments work and what there is evidence for. But I am a feminist in the broad sense. TBP is one thing and feminism is another thing. (But now I'm curious about racism--is there racism and bigotry on TBP?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:17 PM
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I'm not TBP. I'm not an SJW. I'm none of those things. I just like to find out what arguments work and what there is evidence for. But I am a feminist. TBP is one thing and feminism is another thing. (But now I'm curious about racism--is there racism and bigotry on TBP?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:17 PM
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I'm not TBP. I'm not an SJW. I'm none of those things. I just like to find out what arguments work and what there is evidence for. But I am a feminist. TBP is one thing and feminism is another thing. (But now I'm curious about racism--is there racism and bigotry on TBP?)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:17 PM
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They don't say all women have it worse. It's hard to totally sum up every thing feminists believe in a few sentences because feminism is a bunch of things and feminists don't have one view or political program. Many feminists have an interest in the way gender roles affect people that doesn't believe that there is a natural order between men and women and they don't think men are naturally entitled to power. If you think there's a natural order between men and women and character traits are buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:10 PM
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But it's not saying something fundamentally different than what TRP is saying which is that--you are potentially a sexy guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 08:47 AM
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Oh, yeah, that is stereotypes. They do suck! OMG. Now I get it. I totally get it. I don't know if it is all the 'nerd' stereotype or if some of it is fear of the unknown. Some of course is racism and ignorance. But I do wonder how many responses other guys get. Still, likely there are stereotypes and in such a shallow kind of split second decision 'shopping' scenario to overcome that you would need to get far away from your stereotype--especially if you are mainly looking for sex. Seduction stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 07:55 AM
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Yes, bad choice of words. But I guess 'disproving that men have some social privilege/advantage women lack' because there is some parity in privilege. Maybe that would explain what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:51 AM
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The spike could be caused by various things--like your personal self confidence, possible detachment, awareness of women checking you out which then makes you more alert to it when it happens. But you should try to exploit the spike and also see if you can test the beta bucks thing like that guy says by not being about beta bucks. So maybe say you teach 6th grade at some key moment and see how it goes. Or develop some other job which displays your genuine quality as a person (intelligence) but n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:43 AM
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Oh thanks. I am afraid to go back and re-read too many seduction strategy posts in case they are horrible in some way. The secret every many should know is that women want to sleep with them but they require certain incentives. Not terrible ones, necessarily. Sleeping with men is potentially humiliating for women. This is what they never tell you anywhere here. So they do several things--they display detached bravado (and blog about it sometimes which makes TRP insane) or they are snarky or they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:39 AM
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[Oh sorry...that was actually a JOKE. That was dumb. I was just kidding with that.] But wait--how ARE you getting women? You are saying no woman could find you sexy? Then why are they sleeping with you now? I didn't say you could go around as a total dork and women will sleep with you. Obviously not. Probably many people need seduction strategy before they'll get anywhere. But the reason it works is because the man is attractive in the first place but lacks something--like confidence or whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:27 AM
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So there are no bad girls? Sluts, whores, bitches, bossy bitches, harridans, harlots, witches, etc? Aren't they bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:26 AM
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I have my doubts simply because true acknowledgement is what so many men are after here. If they weren't then all this problem about sex could be solved by prostitution. Completely. But people don't want that to be all they get. They want more--they want validation. So you would have the same issue with sex robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:23 AM
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I'm trying to wrap my head around so many of these just because it seems to suppose that if you prove men are victims of injustice, you have disproved feminism. But that's not the case. To disprove feminism, you would have to show that there is gender-related injustice to men. But many of these do not show a gender-related injustice to men. So, for example, being a victim of violence is an injustice. But is it a gender related injustice? If a man kills a man, is he killing him because he is a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:20 AM
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You say "a society chooses who dies." When a society chooses who dies at the current time, they may send a bomb to a place that indiscriminately kills women and men. They also create a situation in which women will die en masse. I cannot understand why this is not relevant to the claim about 'choosing who dies.' If you want to back it up to the non-modern era there are many aspects of war that caused civilian death--there was siege, for example. Perhaps pre-modern women did survive at higher rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 06:07 AM
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BP is fairly jokey--and they never say stuff about men just about RP. It's not a very serious toned subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:37 AM
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Which part? HERE'S INTERNET PROOF (but totally not TRP proof): http://www.thinkingtoad.com/why-western-women-wants-to-date-indian-man.html
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 05:35 AM
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It's a very self-fulfilling prophecy. I know beta bucks isn't just about money but the whole theory of TRP is weird because it assumes that all these women are sleeping around like crazy then 'settling' for the beta bucks later when they get desperate--but the average number of partners for women 18-24 is way too low for that to even make sense. People have 4 sexual partners in their lifetime. Check it out. A lot of women are NOT HAVING SEX MUCH: http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resources/FAQ.html…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:40 AM
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I think it really depends on where you live and how traditional people are--and what college you go to and such. I went to a college with a critical mass of Asian men and I think that somehow made things tilt in a different direction--like you had to notice that some of them were incredibly good looking or you would be an idiot basically. Perhaps when there is enough of one ethnicity it changes the dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:06 AM
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See? They hit on you! They don't need you for bucks. And why you? They could hit on someone else. You are likely way hotter than you realize. I think it depends on the school you go to whether Asian or Indian men are at the bottom. My housemate tells me way later that this Indian guy I was obsessed with had been obsessed with me--she was Indian and a very good friend but she never told me. Why? I don't know if she was trying to keep us apart or what was going on. But after that I can do nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 04:00 AM
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Are you kidding? Really? No way--nooooooo way. Hotness increased by intelligence. Winning combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 03:42 AM
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Oh, this KILLS me. I swear there is some girl who had some kind of ridiculous crush on you and you did not notice. Indian guys are really sexy. Seriously, if some woman likes you it does not mean she wants you as beta bucks. Pick someone who can have another person besides you and make her own living. You'll see. [This is bringing back a whole personal story for me that's probably why I'm reacting--the India nerd guy who got away in my past. I had zero beta bucks interest in him. I think the onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 02:03 AM
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Well, OK, he is getting justice at his ex-girlfriend for hurting him. I wouldn't exactly call this a quest all people need to jump into. I was assuming it was every guy who'd ever been hurt identifying with him and then jumping in to get their licks in. But apparently it has some kind of 'clean up gaming' purpose or something? So it's about cleaning up gaming reviews and the journalism. Except that's the part where I got lost--like she's supposedly RUNNING gaming journalism. I could find no evid…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 01:59 AM
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I think people instinctively mate guard though. So it's not like if you think your wife is wonderful you won't get jealous. And there's not so much you can do, is there? "You watch her eyes..." But then--if you don't like what you see...what's going to happen, really? You can go psycho and kill her I guess but that's not exactly solving your problem. So it's sort of paranoia without payoff. Maybe it's better to just be like--whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/15 01:55 AM
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The most privileged white guy is also a human being. Hoff-Summers is a yech-barf for me but I think we aren't talking about feminism now. I'm not even sure we're ever talking about feminism. We're talking about how not to be a total dick. It won't fucking kill you to not instantly judge someone as worthless for the group they belong to. That goes for everyone in every group. You won't DIE if you actually listen to what people say and then assume they are coming from a different place and may not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 08:34 PM
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Cool. Did not know.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 08:25 PM
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Can you explain the merit behind Gamergate? This is a genuine question. Many people see Gamergate as a quest for true justice and I was off reddit for a while (out traveling the world) and I completely missed Gamergate. When I got back, it was too late to catch up on this view you express. It looked like savage anarchic madness to me. I agree 100% with everything you said about how many men feel. It clearly needs a more careful thinking through than what your friend said. I'm to speaking to that…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 08:21 PM
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I believe what you describe could work better for a lot of people than traditional marriage would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 07:57 PM
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OK, yes. LOL. Well...yes. I don't think you have to worry too much about transwomen getting mixed up with your nontranswomen. The more that trans people can be out and trans the less there will be so much urge to pass--people can come out and not die? They will be open. You will know. There will also be more people who are into that thing and they will date those people. So the counterfeit issue is going to be helped by the acceptance of transpeople rather than hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 07:23 PM
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I actually think nannies are better than au pairs, personally. It's more of a job for them and they are more invested in it. But a nanny can't raise your kid. They can be a tremendous help. Parenting the kid from the minute of birth until adulthood is a hard job that you can't really farm out. One parent plus an excellent nanny can do that but they'd have to be a very involved parent, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 06:50 PM
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That's funny because MRA are really about how women are capable of all kinds of aggression. TRP will claim this sometimes as well. And 'more suitable' isn't exactly 'necessarily adheres to' a biological sex qualifying organism. It's never going to work in this argument to say 'group A is more prone to/somewhat better at task X than group B.' Another gap in your argument is that the civilian to combatant death ratio can be as high as 4:1. In war, anyone is liable to die. The unarmed people die at…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 06:45 PM
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I could see that. Anyone whose career success/development takes long hours and who can manage that without the emotional support of a spouse and work all the time--they are better off not marrying. Marriage can potentially be very distracting, I agree. If you have kids though, how do you manage it with kids? It seems like kids are an even bigger distraction--when they are young, especially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 05:27 PM
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I guess one issue I'm trying to figure out from your answer. There are different things you might mean. So one thing is that we visually identify people as male or female by certain physical characteristics. And we don't always get it right. That's what the SNL skit about Pat was about. We guess what they are. And there are things that are considered visual 'markers' for male or female that people who are changing genders like to alter--like softness of features or lack of Adam's apple or whatno…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 05:23 PM
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I wonder if there are any legal provisions for art though--so if you lost in a court case and you did an art piece about your victimization--I'm not sure you can be sued for defamation or anything else. It's an art piece. People are assuming that she planned out the media response to her piece but she did not. From reddit's perspective, it looks like she is some genius mastermind but it appears that she just hit upon something that grabbed the media somehow. If a student described it to you as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 04:19 PM
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I can see it can be a very bad deal for people--or a financial risk. And it was definitely a bad deal for your father. I guess another thing to minimize your risk is that you'd have to be careful of your choices--don't let your wife stay home from work to take care of the kids. All I can say is what I found which says that income loss is the same for both parties and at the current time there are many women in the UK earning more than men. So it depends on who is richer in the situation. Also, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 04:12 PM
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I know. I found it on google. It seemed worthy of note that the definition of gender essentialism is debatable. It seemed like a bad definition because I think anyone might be able to say that men and women have inherent and unique attributes that qualify them. In fact, the transpeople are trying to adopt those inherent, unique and natural attributes to qualify for the genders they want to be. So the questions seem to be more about: What are the attributes? How does it relate to people's claim t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 04:04 PM
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You honestly do not have to regard transgender people as 'men' and 'women' because of their chosen identity. You may believe whatever you choose about them. They want to live as their chosen gender. And they want others to mind their own business. And yes, if you don't leave them be--if you don't just let them go their own way and lead their own lives--people could say your ways are immoral and oppressive. But that's about what you do to other people. If you do things that interferes with their …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 06:52 AM
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So many good points here. I don't entirely agree with the idea that everyone is manipulating everyone they come into contact with but do agree that manipulation is not the same as emotional abuse. But it can be very unkind and being unkind is not OK. TRP has taught me that there's a lot of non-verbal negotiating/manipulating going on between people. Are they getting the techniques from PUA (which I so far prefer but need to learn more) I've wondered? The immaturity can be very grating. For examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 05:06 AM
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Do you have a link or a study or something? I'm looking and I don't see this. But it's not exactly the only measure one could consider. Anyway, here's a story mentioning a study that says it is basically the same for men and women and that marrying and staying married is an economic gain for both sexes: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/divwlth.htm The data might be even more favorable since women now make more than women did then. When women out-earn men they are bummed when they lose assets …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 11:44 PM
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Oh, that's a neckbeard. I realized this friend of mine has an actual beard on his neck and I was mentally blown away by the fact that this term was a literal term.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:24 PM
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I HATE THIS EXPRESSION. But here's a little anecdote, though personal anecdotes are annoying. I didn't really know what it meant. However, two acquaintances of mine are getting married. The woman is a physically perfect, hot beautiful, kind, exceptionally brilliant woman. The man is also brilliant, nice, kind--but he is overweight and he has a beard ON HIS NECK. He's also a gaming nerd. They were telling me about their pending nuptials and I suddenly realized 'neckbeard' actually literally means…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:23 PM
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Excellent answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:10 PM
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It is quite possible she is a victim. But it is also possible she is lying. What seems dumb is to focus on her as an individual and not think about the problems the case raises. Her case shows that (1) Maybe the police should handle campus rape (2) You need really good procedures in conduct violations so the process is fair (3) Everyone needs to be required to sign a very strict confidentiality agreement about ANY campus conduct procedure-with penalties for breaking confidence. There should be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 10:07 PM
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--Love (creating security in a relationship through an official promise, making them happy, finding purpose in benefitting them) --Companionship --Sharing parenting--emotional and economic security for children --Social approval --Keep other men away --'Settling down' (no longer need to seek a mate--sex on hand saves time/energy--for women there is also a safety issue) --Combined income increases economic security. --All institutional/social benefits--ease of inheritance, ease of shared insuranc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:57 PM
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But you would see them that way--most of them you won't even know. If you get the feeling 'x is a man' and then you find out x is trans--will you accept it then? I mean, it can't all be about you. You say "you can't also claim nobody should try to stop you" but this is exactly how we live in modern society. I can't stop you from having five girlfriends. Maybe you can all live together in your house--all of you, together. We let people do their private thing for the most part--and we should. If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:45 PM
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I think from your example (which I can understand would really be a bad experience) I wonder about whether this is an issue in how a prenup can be written. Like--can prenups be written to cover all the increase in assets that were pre-owned during a marriage? One reason this might be unfair would be if the woman was assisting in the increase of wealth in some way while married. You might not agree but there's a possibility the woman could be working for the man basically getting nothing out of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:19 PM
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Give some examples of the ways they advantage the woman using the text of the laws? Other data: Who is richer after divorce when men and women start out from zero together?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:13 PM
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I think the way you define could be too broad: "I am going to define gender essentialism to be the notion that men and women have inherent, unique, and natural attributes that qualify them as their separate genders." Just looking here indicates a debate about what it is-- http://pubpages.unh.edu/~cewitt/Site/My_Philosophical_Life_files/What%20is%20Gender%20Essentialism%3F.pdf I don't know if this view is correct. Another thing I'd raise a question about is whether trans people are drag people. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 09:06 PM
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Thanks! I am so happy to hear your story. Your wife sounds amazing. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 02:43 PM
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I think it is that it appears to the TRP subgroup/subculture that everyone is constantly having sex. To certain men it appears that all these people are getting busy, women are putting out everywhere and they are getting left out. In colleges it probably looks like that, etc. So their friends have all these chicks or they see some guy who has several different sexual partners every weekend...and if you aren't one of these people then you are inferior in some way. Tinder and all these crazy datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 02:38 PM
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That's possible. I haven't gone deeply into the data. But the divorce rate going down is relevant. You can't say 50% of marriages will end in divorce so I won't get married if only 20% of marriages end in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 03:44 AM
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My guess is that the person who is probably the most successful is the person who can assess which way to act in which situation and then just adjust accordingly. Sometimes hyper-femme can work, sometimes not. If you can calibrate or adapt, you have a great advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/15 02:14 AM
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You might be overestimating how much women get approached. Really beautiful women sometimes even do not get approached that much--I even just read something in PUA about this. I see what you are saying about the difference. They re different but social stigmas inhibit behavior and make it high cost behavior. When there's a social cost to something (like public shame) this makes it much harder to do the thing. Ease of access doesn't mean anything. It's not 'easy' to get laid if it makes your life…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 08:54 PM
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But read the article--this is from a bunch of researchers, not just one. The divorce rate among people who get married is now lower than it was. I'm not sure what you mean about 'worse.' It's relevant to the article because the article says 'if you marry Anglo women you will divorce and you will lose money to alimony and child support.' But if divorce rates are low, some people might consider it worth the risk. The smart thing to do if you're worried about the divorce rate is marry the person st…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 06:08 PM
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Anecdotal evidence isn't good on either side. "TRP works!" is also anecdotal and doesn't prove any background theory. There is no data. One reason people may use anecdotes to prove they are exceptions is that they are being given hard generalizations about behavior and results that don't pan out in their experience. The generalizations are from someone else's experience--so it seems rather natural to simply counter the hard generalization with a counterexample.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 06:02 PM
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And you don't have to pay child support to non-white girls in a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:48 PM
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Divorce rate is going down. It's not 50%. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/upshot/the-divorce-surge-is-over-but-the-myth-lives-on.html This whole article is peculiar because it implies that if you brought a wife over from Russia or Thailand, or whatever and divorce her, you will not pay child support. I guess the idea is she will never divorce you? Is there data on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:39 PM
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What this shows is that being Mormon is the best strategy to spread your seed. It has nothing to do with Anglo American whatsitwhosit. Best strategy is convert to Mormonism, find a young Mormon woman, procreate every year--your chances of divorce are very low. I realize it is literally impossible to marry a woman who makes as much or more than you do or to have joint physical custody of children so I won't even mention these as options. Also, if you marry a non-Anglo woman in America she won't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:37 PM
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I don't know what you mean by the silent scream--but I hope you get this validation. I think whenever there is an emotional entanglement surrounding something we need from other people they don't respond as we need. It's this horrible Catch-22. Like when you are on the rebound from a relationship (man or woman) it becomes so hard to attract anyone because they can feel your self-doubt or grief or whatever the emotion is--no matter how hard you try to hide it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:34 PM
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The dating market is insane now, is what I'm gathering. The internet and casual hookups have exploded the thing. But now it's probably more infuriating if you aren't getting laid and since it's such an ubiquitous activity, it probably gets tied into people's self esteem in a much more pervasive way. Like if no one picks you to have sex with, what the hell must be wrong with you--everyone is having sex with everyone and you aren't? People need dating coaches but may also need life coaches because…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:26 PM
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What are you studying for? That's another strange thing where there are two sides but only one side makes sense on TRP--they claim all men who are your friends actually don't want to be your friend--they want to sleep with you. Then they claim you know this (when you don't) and then they claim that you are using those men as friends (when you genuinely like them or even love them as friends). But if you flipped that around you could be like 'well, why are all these men saying they want to be my …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:23 PM
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That sounds rational. How tiring to constantly assess every conversation for whether you are displaying mastery or whatever. Damn, what kind of life would that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:18 PM
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I'm so sorry you were abused. And about the defunding. I hope Survivorsuk can get private donations until the government comes to its senses. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:15 PM
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I don't get why TRP exists because women stay with men who cheat? Is it because you can cheat and get away with it? But the funny thing is that to get the woman to stay with you when you cheat you have to engage in beta behavior and apologize and make it up to her and promise not to do it again. And often, if you do it again, she will leave. It's not that women stay with men who cheat without caring. There's a price to be paid. Is dread game brilliant a innovation or something?--make your partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 05:08 PM
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I don' t even know how money is necessary at all. Is the idea that the mood must be set by an expensive date? I actually want to understand this though. Half-arsed notions are interesting sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:55 AM
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This seems contradicted when there is (1) insistence on having many women--women are interchangeable on RP (2) disgust for any physical flaws in women--will dump if flaws increase (3) high preference for young over old (they dump when the woman gets old (4) dumping for things like too many sex partners (5) cheating is a total deal breaker for the more traditional masculine man as described on RP. Many women stay with men who cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:53 AM
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How does that mock the man to say he will be taking care of the children? Maybe they laugh because it is still not expected for men to take care of the children. I started reading RP theory to my husband and now whenever he takes care of the children (if I am working), he says "go and do your feminist thing honey and I will stay here and take care of the children!" And then we both laugh. But he's not mocking himself and I'm not mocking him. Maybe we are just laughing at subverted expectations, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:44 AM
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What is the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:39 AM
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Both sides?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:38 AM
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Yes, that's pretty clear. If you drink, you do not give permission to any man in the vicinity to have sex with you. But it does make it hard to fight or run (both of which you will be blamed for not doing, possibly). There is this view that I keep seeing with the whole obsession with campus rape where the idea is that the woman gets a bunch of positive attention for being raped and being a rape victim in everyone's eyes is somehow enjoyable. This seems crazy. Being stamped as a rape victim can r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 07:36 AM
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Would love to hear this story.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 06:37 AM
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Love it. Welp, that certainly explains some things about my pregnancy!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 06:33 AM
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The notion? Whose notion is this? I'm pretty sure low status men can set the mood just as well as high status men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 06:31 AM
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Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 03:32 AM
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But on RedPill it is all about 'would you marry a woman with a lot of partners'? Some even say they won't marry a woman unless she's a virgin or practically a virgin. One guy said he divorced his wife when he found out she'd had way more sexual partners. Women know this male preference and often act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 03:25 AM
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Why do people always say women can get laid more easily? There is a huge social stigma for women for being promiscuous and finding sexual partners. What is slut shaming about if it is not about creating an obstacle for women to get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 03:22 AM
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In terms of biotroofs, alphas never help alphas. Alphas especially never help aspiring alphas. If we're looking at it from the evopsych angle male to male behavior would be extremely important and wouldn't run in that direction--if we're using other primates as examples. Edited: But that's a good answer and interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 03:19 AM
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Why does the alpha help the beta if they are in competition for the same women? If you believe the 80/20 rule it is men who you need to worry about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:27 AM
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So men are all stupid. But it's women's fault when they are stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:20 AM
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Oh, I know you didn't. I'm sorry--I was referring to something else on the manosphere. I was (stupidly) assuming everyone knows what gets said everywhere else. What is said: Men have all the responsibility, the work, the danger. Women demand benefits but don't get responsibility. Women resist any attempts to make things fair when they would be at a disadvantage. Etc. Sorry--your comment sounds like it refers to this notion. But it's false. For one thing, serving in the military is beneficial and…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:12 AM
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But they almost all end up married is my point. Why are men so stupid? It must be women. Men cannot possibly be responsible for their actions is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:05 AM
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Friendzone is a matter of interpretation. If you wanted to be friends with a guy who wanted to fuck you then you friend zoned him. Maybe you actually liked him as a person. Maybe you didn't even know he wanted to fuck you. The rage about friend zoning is: How dare you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:03 AM
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PUA theory is riddled with disrespect. PUA theory might work without the disrespect. If someone could come up with a cleaned up version, they might make bank.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:00 AM
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Genuinely curious: If you're a beta male, what is the high reward of befriending an alpha male?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:56 AM
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So they are all chumps is what you are saying. Every single last one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:53 AM
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You have official partnerships/marriages in a huge numbers of societies without organized religion. It's not a church/churches thing. http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/12.%20Aboriginal%20Marriages%20and%20Family%20Structures/marriage-traditional-aboriginal-societie
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:52 AM
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The only reason American feminists would object to drafting women if we ever reinstitute the draft is that many object to US foreign policy, which dominates other countries unjustly. Feminists fought to get women into the army in the first place. The idea that feminists are at fault for women not being 50% of the US military is an absurd re-writing of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:37 AM
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No, this is a silly mistake--the idea that feminism infiltrated people's minds allowing women too much power and disadvantaging men. What happened is that sexual behavior has changed. We are now in a sexual marketplace that allows a lot of sexual activity and in each iteration of a sexual marketplace there will be particular expectations and rules that make some people more successful than others. The 80/20 rule: TRP claims that this is an invariant rule. So what this REALLY means is that the is…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:35 AM
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I wasn't aware of this either. I was reading some back comments by various manospherists because the said something or other kind of intriguing and eventually I would always run into a scary racist comment made by that person. It was bumming me out because I was sort of enjoying the prospect of having my stereotypes torn asunder. (I still take the view that someone can be a cool person in life even if I don't like a lot of their politics-but I draw the line with racism--and I keep finding racism…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:23 AM
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I don't know what they want but if it's true that they are trying to protect themselves emotionally it's not a good strategy to start the hamster on the wheel. They seem like they want to feel relaxed and safe in relationships through this crazy method--they'll have abundance and never worry about losing anyone. Heart is secure, ego is on lockdown. But clearly it's going to backfire on you longterm. Then you've got the backup narrative about TERRIBLE women and their terribleness. Then when you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:17 AM
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Well I hope you pass on your sperm to a lot of women and propagate the race with your well adjusted DNA! ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 01:11 AM
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Have you ever wondered if the TRPers are attracted to a certain kind of woman? When I see the sensitive hippie dork with his harem of smoking hot women or the Brooklyn guy with the topknot and his supermodel girlfriend I truly think that their methods are incredibly culturally specific. They'd never work in Park Slope for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 12:30 AM
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My attempt to understand it is genuine. It doesn't seem like it's making everything up so how does it really work? They put their ideas out there in the world--people are bound to question them lie any ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 12:28 AM
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I'm really curious about how to prevent narcissism. How do you prevent it in children?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 12:25 AM
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I was really interested in the hamstring model. I think people hamster if they become afraid of other people's disapproval. Hamstring is another really useful concept. The person who hamsters is more likely to be subordinate in the relationship. Dynamics in marriage are really bizarre. They can ruin people and make a decent person into an asshole. It's ind of scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 12:24 AM
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It's depressing that the rules are so weird and require so many power games. I'm glad that you found a way to get what you need in life without becoming a jerk. The skills your mom gave you might be useful in other contexts--like at work, in other relationships, maybe if you get married etc.... You have to socialize your kid to get along with other people, be fair and kind. In the long run, people like this are happier but in competitive or power situations those rules don't always apply. I pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 12:21 AM
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Better: It's Dumbo's magic feather. It gives you confidence. Which is OK but not confirming of a truth about the world. (I guess Dumbo could fly though! So BAD ANALOGY.)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 02:13 AM
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They ALWAYS do. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 09:48 PM
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Children were always costly one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 09:43 PM
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Powertalk. Love that word. Besides power talk I need an antidote to power talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 09:18 PM
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Maybe, but you won't have to worry about raising kids who are the genetic offspring of another man (something a surprising number of men who adopt are wiling to do). And the background theory says men want sex all the time so you'll apparently have sex all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 09:17 PM
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No, I totally agree. I just don't think there's any evidence for a deep theory. It reminds me of Dumbo and the feather though-so I bet it works in practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 09:15 PM
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I was just reading about suspension trauma because of your comment. Sounds kind of scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 08:16 PM
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That's useful all right! Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:56 PM
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People dread game their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:50 PM
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Except women are always sexually available--not true in the 1950s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:49 PM
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That part is feminist. In fact, the whole 'we tore women off their pedestal and they are shit (because they weren't what I thought) is Feminism 101. Pedestals are there to be kicked away. And since TRP is about sex at its core you can be a RPW if there are certain ways you like men to be sexually. If you have sexual taste for a dominant man, maybe RPW will work for you. You can't buy the big TRP theory though because it says there is a natural order with the men on the top and the women on the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:47 PM
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Does Amused Mastery lead to conflict? Or is clever poking of fun=passive aggressive sniping dickishness in this case. When I read about Amused Mastery I am QUITE amused for it's the kind of thing that would make many young women so irritated you can just see the backfire 1,000 yards away. Young women love men who smirk! Who can resist an aging smirker?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:33 PM
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Would being gay solve both those problems? Not like you could become gay--but you would avoid all the issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:28 PM
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Totally plausible. Thanks, I learned a lot from what you are saying here. Women want so desperately to be beautiful. I hated the way this desire could make you kind of a slave to it as a young woman and I decided to detach from it. As a result, I was very non-competitive with other women and pretty OK looking so I had many extremely beautiful friends. Like models and girlfriends of rock stars and such. I got to observe how for the majority of these women, it sucks to be beautiful. Very few women…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 06:35 PM
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Huh. Maybe!!! I used to do this to women though and I'm a woman. I wonder if it is something that starts when you are a baby about your mother. I still have a hard time being guarded around women--I tend to trust them more than men just by default. And they aren't worse than men--or better, obviously. They are the same. Maybe I need to AWALT women just to protect myself. Hah. Hell no. It's not feminist brainwashing because it's one of these things feminists actually don't like. "The angel in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 05:22 PM
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Really interesting. Thanks. I enjoy the humor and intelligence in your comments. I agree the sex strategy is spot on if you have those preferences. I definitely agree that the majority of heterosexual men and women likely have those preferences--I don't know why anyone denies this. Feminists debate whether there's a point in moralizing about it or not. TRP shows there's a tremendous backlash to moralizing about it. I smile when you say 'getting goodies for the girls' because of course the comfor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 03:54 PM
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How does this gel with the idea that the alpha doesn't settle down and become a dad but the beta is going to settle down and become a dad--because the beta is the one she will settle down with? If the 'propagating the species' thing is the reason, why aren't the alphas trying to actually impregnate every female?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 03:14 PM
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"The feminist movement changed the institution of marriage from an economic arrangement based around producing children to an agreement based on mutual love and respect. Marriage is a cultural institution that allows people to publicly declare their undying love and intention to share the rest of their lives together, as well as a Government institution that provides certain benefits. Today, it’s no longer needed to have children, and many people in long-term relationships don’t get married." Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 03:10 PM
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I'm puzzled about why the goal then is not to have a bunch of children.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 03:01 PM
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What's 'an unplugged wife.' Do you really believe in the RP background theory that there is a feminist conspiracy to destroy masculinity and the natural hierarchy between men and women or do you just like the perspective about gender roles in sexual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 02:51 PM
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Yes--maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't get why you need the concept of alpha. TRP implies 'I had some false conception of the world and this woke me up.' If you break it down, yes, it makes perfect sense. A woman will be attracted to a man who possesses qualities attractive to a woman. That is true by definition. But then how is that taking the red pill? That's a pretty banal revelation, even if you offer a list of the attractive qualities. The way people on TRP seem to talk about it, there's this …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 02:48 PM
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Your take on things is fascinating and seems accurate for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 02:31 PM
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Update: Lamentations on mp3.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 02:19 PM
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That could be. Maybe romantic partners are more replaceable in people's minds since Tinder came about. That's one interesting thing about TRP--the abundance mentality--that reassurance you give yourself about losing the current partner because there's another one out there (and any woman is replaceable with another woman). That idea probably does make much more sense to people in the Tinder generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:54 PM
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Oh, but you are the one who describes this 'anger' 'pissed at society' thing. I was just asking you based your comment. I took it from your last couple of sentences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:49 PM
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Crazy radfems--it might be the reddit term. A radical feminist could be a lot of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:49 PM
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Would the reverse be inappropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:07 PM
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Why do you get shit for it. People might think the 18 year old wasn't your equal and you had all the power (which is silly to me). Perhaps they criticize your desire to have all the power (as they perceive it). In that case, they are discussing the moral quality or value of your relationship. There are a thing people criticize about relationships of different ages: (1) The 'yuck' factor--people definitely do this more if the woman is older. The idea is 'they can't possibly be actually sexually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:03 PM
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Whatever the people are into when they're reached the age of consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:56 PM
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Where do they get this pure, kind, angelic image? Why does it turn into a permanent rage?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:55 PM
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In the 1970s--this tiny number in the 1970s. We're talking about a handful of people and their claims were mainly rhetorical Most of this view was primarily separatism. It wasn't a rape and murder plot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:51 PM
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Oh, just the OP's question. It wasn't clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:41 PM
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I wonder if the women that TRPers are attracted to are mainly like this. I wonder if the ones who believe the woman will lose respect are simply attracted to women who will lose respect if they slip in this way. They are attracted to emotionally indifferent/distant women. It's like the female alpha for them in a way. To anyone older, who has a lot of life experience and has known a wide variety of people, it's beyond absurd. I know lots and lots women who support men through mental illness, thro…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:20 AM
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You are from RPW I take it? Having recently discovered RP and RPW I can't help but think--these are just people who are into dominance and submission. They've turned it into a whole theory about human beings spanning through time (and possibly a thing they think is true of every living thing on the planet that does not reproduce asexually)--but it seems essentially a community to help people with certain kinds of sexual tastes find what they like sexually. I wonder why it's so hard for TRP/W to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 07:00 AM
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Interesting, thanks. From reading this, I'm rather struck that it would be an absolutely terrible thing for someone's human potential to reduce yourself to your sperm donation ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 06:15 AM
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Maybe you can switch to the more mature version of TRP--the TRP for adults. It seems there's a clear danger of becoming lonely as you describe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 02:29 AM
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I struggle to understand why the answer is not just: Marry someone who will make more money than you will. http://www.forbes.com/sites/jefflanders/2011/04/12/understanding-how-assets-get-divided-in-divorce/2/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:04 AM
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What seems circular is that an alpha is 'a man woman will readily sleep with' but the explanation of why women will readily sleep with a man is 'he's an alpha.' So it's impossible to confirm or disconfirm (or even to say what an alpha is). It doesn't explain anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:54 AM
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Yes. This is terrible. This has to change. It was awful but one place where you saw men coming out and getting help was the Catholic Church abuse scandal. After that, more men started to come forward. But it's definitely not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:53 AM
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OK. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:50 AM
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No, I am looking. I can't find any women killing men because of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:49 AM
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None of these women killed anyone. Valerie Solanas tried but she did not actually kill Andy Warhol. Mary Daly never killed anyone. Cath Comins never killed anyone. I'm googling 'feminist kills man' but can find nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:49 AM
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There are many emotions running in the background for people that are very significant to guiding their choices. Emotionalism--being a person who is unable to make choices because emotions are overcoming rational decisions--is different from the mere experience of emotions. What do you think people are experiencing in their interest in sports, for example? They get excited, they cheer, they groan with disappointment, etc. If people did not have emotions at all, their interest in sports would dim…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:46 AM
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In certain cases, the truth of it could be obvious to the people around--though sometimes we project even in those cases. The logical flaw is thinking this projection after such a small sample size grouping represents some universal truth of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:30 PM
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Are the women killing the men? Are there mass murders of men by feminists? Or group murders? Or just a case where a woman is a feminist and she kills a random man because she hates men? That blog post she's just sitting there thinking a man is a dick. It's not exactly a plan for genocide she's talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:16 PM
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But it's weird. Some men want X and you are like 'wanting X is for pussies.' Also, TRPers will say "you don't REALLY want that. And then all the ones that say they do, you are saying 'you loser' or worse enemy white knight mangina." But if a feminist says 'don't want X because it's bad to want that' that's terrible. Why is it OK for you to say it? I think the Blue Pill advice could include: Strongly heterosexual more gender conforming (and social conforming) women are really likely to prefer men…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:11 PM
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I suspected that your answer was: I am helping them. They disagree with me. They think they are happy with their lives. They think they are valuable. I'm going to tell them they are shit losers who are stupid chumps. Their wife doesn't love them. No woman loves them! Who could love them! But this is helping them. Except you say you don't respect all these men. At all. So this is not a case of giving someone a little reality check. It's contempt for them and their lives. It's rare to see on a thr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 10:07 PM
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It's really important to separate out these two things (1) As individuals--in interpersonal contexts--men and women are both equally liable to do bad things to other people. (2) Men and women are equally likely fuck other people and property up when it comes to things that criminal law is concerned with. (1) Of course (2) Maybe, maybe not--but if not, that's where the gender bias comes in. Why do police usually target males for scrutiny in ways they do not target females? It is not because of (1…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:50 PM
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That would actually be great--if you allowed women to do exactly what you think it is cool for men to do and celebrate their doing it. If she was able to get a man to do what she wanted you'd think 'damn, girl has GOT GAME!' If women are just as bad or as good as men--so no gender is morally better than any other--and men and women are equally prone to good or bad actions--sometimes bad, sometimes good (the majority)-- possibly there are the rare super good people and then the minority but destr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:45 PM
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Do you ever reverse it? What are the men like that you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:41 PM
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AWALT is going way beyond countering the halo effect. If the point is to disabuse yourself of an interpretive frame that is going to distort your belief system, AWALT is not a good strategy. If you are afraid you can't keep a clear head around a woman, AWALT might work. But maturity and perspective about yourself and others will be a better bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:39 PM
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If you care that your beliefs are true, you want to avoid confirmation bias. If you don't care if what you believe reflects reality, and want to believe what makes you feel how you want to feel, then confirmation bias is a great strategy. Sometimes there are problematic side effects of believing something because of how it makes you feel though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:37 PM
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You mean: When women rape men? Or when men rape men? Not sure of your point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:35 PM
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But 2 is kind of a small sample size--so don't you have any curiosity about the actual truth of AWALT?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:34 PM
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How were they burned? Was their heart broken or was their ego hurt? If it is the former and they desire to be loved or they fear they are unlovable their chance of the emotional connection they originally sought is really low with AWALT. TRP seems to have a safety valve for that in saying there is this 'unicorn.' If they find sexual rejection humiliating and that is their primary drive--to get sex but avoid the humiliation--then they probably need the psychic buffer/safety of AWALT. Sexual rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:32 PM
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This question does not disambiguate two things (1) Are you better as a person in your personal life and how you treat others? (2) Is your political view better for human beings as a whole?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:27 PM
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I cannot find any evidence for the assumption that a video can cause PTSD flashbacks or whatever it is that happens with PTSD?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:25 PM
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There's an interesting thing about these kinds of comments--there's a lot of contempt for your fellow men. Feminists are supposed to have contempt for men but on this view, most men are stupid losers unworthy of respect. So why are men beating up on men like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:22 PM
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Do you have some cases you can refer me to?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:18 PM
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But you do get this is impossible to confirm or disconfirm. Virtually all attractive traits have become alpha traits in some of these explanatory schema. So it's sort of impossible not to conclude you've got an explanation but it's not really an explanation if you create a schema where it is always true, no matter what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:18 PM
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Is it confirmable though? It depends on your data set. We don't have the data set. It can't be confirmed if it happens one time because of course it's going to happen--someone's going to have sex with Man A immediately and have sex with Man B after many dates. Confirmation bias comes in when you say 'oh Man A is alpha/Chad Thundercock but Man B is beta...' QED! But TRP makes this true by definition. Because whoever she has sex with right away is alpha on this view.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 09:01 PM
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Feminists kill men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:57 PM
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I'm curious--what's the downside to that for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:47 PM
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Yeah, curing social awkwardness is so key. The posts on r/depression are so often connected to that and it's terrible what it does to people. It could also be due to some brain differences--like misreading social cues. Sometimes this is undiagnosed asperger's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:22 PM
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Right--but on the internet we are often observers who don't know things. We read a news story and we project. And in love triangles or rejection we always project onto people--so if a man rejects a woman she is likely to suddenly see his next woman as more beautiful or better somehow and focus on her own flaws. So my point is just that we often aren't impartial observers of what's going on. If your girl leaves you for another guy and you become pathologically jealous then you are imagining he's …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:53 PM
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I agree, actually. Yeah. I agree that is toxic. Also, good turn of phrase: "defining your self as subject and not actor." My definition would be giving your worth and agency to the opposite sex. So a toxically feminine woman would be a woman who cannot maintain her self worth without a male to validate her and spends her life looking for that validation. Then, to the extent it fails (and it is bound to fail) she allows it to destroy her moral character and personal happiness, e.g. possibly becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:45 PM
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Well, now I'm confused because TRP philosophy is all about how we are driven to follow our evolutionarily-developed natures and we must do that at all costs. A main idea of TRP is that we can't adapt our gender roles in our current social environment because we're going against what evolution tells us to do. Anyway, just for a start there are huge numbers of examples of emotions as rewards and punishments for behavior that harms or benefits you. So--you may feel pride for getting your act togeth…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:39 PM
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Much is interpretation from very little data though but if you have that as an interpretive principle then you are going to always see everything through that lens. So: If the supposedly alpha guy got dumped in this arrangement for the doctor and was heartbroken everyone would say 'oh, he's more alpha than you, he's a doctor, he's more successful.' The idea is that the alpha is for sex and the beta is for relationship (which confounds the evpsych theory people like that the alpha spreads their s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 04:36 PM
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I would love to know what toxic femininity is. I have a view about what it would be but I'm curious what you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:53 AM
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Sure. But for some of the men, the problem was partly the women they wanted. They were a particular type and they want a woman of a different type. Heterosexual women are obviously going to be attracted to masculinity. This was not some giant revelation.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 08:52 AM
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It's kind of a distinction without a difference. Sometimes the people feel a lot of enjoyment-sometimes they feel guilty--but they do it because their commanding officers decided they were going to do it. Mass rape in war is always licensed by a CO.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:40 AM
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There's an enormous variety of successful sexual strategies for men. BUT they will not all work with traditional hyperfeminine (conformist, or materialist) women. TRP might work better with them than other options. (I'd need to do a lot of observations on that.) I could give a lot of personal anecdotes and examples. But I've seen such strategies as 'hyperactive needy acts like a kid' get a ridiculous amount of sex. Why? you ask. Because HNALAK is someone who (1) sent out the signal that he would…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:36 AM
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Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:26 AM
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My guess is that TRP may be a sexual subculture. The men are attracted to a certain type of woman--you have to be a certain type of man for that type of women. (There are many women who would just be so 'meh' about the specifics of the game--hippie chicks, artsy chicks, yoga chicks--but they don't desire those kind of women. They like the traditionally feminine women, the conformist kind that they perceive to be the appropriate spouse of the high status males--the sorority girls, etc. Game is ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:21 AM
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But it's not done for reasons of spontaneous desire. The point is to fuck someone up. Note: men get raped in war too. Quite a bit, actually. Fucking the person up is the main point. It's not beta in the way the person means it. It's not alpha either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 07:08 AM
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It's much more humiliating to rape someone. It wounds them much more deeply. This is why women don't report rape, in spite of what you read. They feel too ashamed. Everyone knows this--this is why you use rape in war and in ethnic cleansing. Because you break the spirit of the ethnicity you want to destroy if you rape a lot of the people involved. Also, some people are sexual sadists--so they may enjoy it. There could be enjoyment. But it's not some 'regular' sexual desire gone wrong through som…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:48 AM
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Ah, this is one of the first things that sucked me in. There are some real issues. For example, child support decisions can be unjust for poor men (often men of color also). One would want boys to succeed in school and colleges and universities--well, of course everyone should live up to their potential. Also, to the extent there are health disparities between men and women (also a class thing) you could make a huge difference with better healthcare. Some say poor women may do slightly better be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:46 AM
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Heterosexual women may respond with sexual desire to traits they perceive of as masculine. It's what TRP is built on. I will also concede anything if there is evidence but the theory that TRP is built on seems internally inconsistent so empirical facts alone are not going to be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:34 AM
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I don't. I was just pointing out that it isn't beta necessary. It's often not some failure of self control. This is a thing people set out to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:31 AM
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You mean--alpha behavior? What if you just have hostility and contempt for women? You are kind of assuming all rape is just someone who could not control their sexual desire. What about men who want to hurt women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:19 AM
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It's take the mark or nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:17 AM
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I think I did not explain what I thought when reading your post--you are actually describing the fact that you are with someone empathetic and sensitive and you value those traits in this person. At least that's how I read it. My point was kind of: 'Duh.' Of course this is something you like. You also describe your husband as being emotionally trustworthy, which I believe is something women are attracted to. There is this view that is expressed on TRP that the woman likes the man because he is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:14 AM
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Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:03 AM
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Oh, well that's sexual ambivalence--that's not necessarily super hot desire--but it could turn into desire. Saying "I can't sleep with you" doesn't have to be a game--it could just be "I have some reasons to not sleep with you." Also, that doesn't seem like last MINUTE resistance. That's just more some talk. I think I do understand. For this to not turn horrible, you'd have to have a really astute understanding of the implications of what people mean and what people say. Unfortunately, that is l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 06:03 AM
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Oh, I wasn't claiming there is no ratio. But my point was that we know nothing about the society so we do not know if the woman made a sexual choice. If there was a huge war and thus an enormous number of slaves for one male slaveholder it's really totally irrelevant what the traits of the male slaveholder are. This has nothing to do with morals--it's about explanatory plausibility. The problem for TRP theory is that the woman might not be selecting her sex partners. TRP is about sexual selectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:56 AM
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What if they don't agree to the mark for 3 days and don't want a mark?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:24 AM
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If you read his post you see TRP confirmed his worst fears (or created them) though--because he was actually not so upset until he started becoming so suspicious of all the women's motives. But of course people go with attractive people primarily--I guess your point is that they the women settle down with the person they see as the comfort rather than the sexual option. But then who settles down with the sexual option? People do settle down eventually. But you can't really 'confirm' that the per…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:23 AM
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TRP or MRA get really upset when people think of the incel as someone insane or potentially violent--but maybe not PUA? I guess I don't get how the murder spree is going to help with the frustration--it would be over in about 20 minutes and then you are either dead or in prison. It's not like it would be such a great 20 minutes. You'd probably be better off wanking at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 05:17 AM
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I think that's WAY too risky. And desperate! I know of ZERO women who resist at the last minute if they really want you. People do have ambivalence--but that's a big deal--ambivalence is a big deal. You don't know why there is the ambivalence. Bad, bad idea to see it as a dance...For DOZENS of reasons. Stop all physical contact is the intelligent strategy. Also, the powerful self-respecting strategy since otherwise you seem desperate and immature. Bitter is weak. Editing: I think you are not say…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:52 AM
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Has anyone wondered about confirmation bias here? When she leaves you, or doesn't want you you feel less masculine--you see the man she picked, and you think he's more masculine. You find some thing about him and play it up in your mind. Everyone does that. Women do that with other women--her hair must be more shiny, her boobs must be bigger. I think there's a lot of projection going on--we can't test emotionality in intimacy to know if the men who are being selected withhold emotional responses…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:33 AM
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I was suspicious about this--he says she went off BC but does he know? He kind of conveniently skips over that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:25 AM
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Does anyone like that? I could be 100% ready and that would turn everything into a 'no.' That's creepy and desperate and like a 10th grade move.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:24 AM
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This comment confuses me--how is that pushing past LMR? Where is the 'push.' If you stop, you stop. That's not pushing. They can't mean 'stop totally' if their advice is to push past LMR.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:22 AM
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Dawkins view is still speculation but that is interesting. However, you are kind of missing the point that this was only for a particular period--it's a dip and rise. Also, it's a data set of 450. So the cause is still unknown. I would not deny that eggs are costly and sperm is not costly and there is an optimal strategy for both sexes but think about all the gaps in the claim the optimal strategy is universal and that it has anything whatsoever to do with the ideas in TRP. For example, the (ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 02:01 AM
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But then you run the risk of it being relative. The scalar element is an issue too because how are you comparing such vast numbers of people? The question I have is whether explains anything. It's like all the qualities related to sexual attractiveness are 'alpha' qualities--any kind of success, any kind of physical beauty, any kind of personal mastery, any kind of interestingness as a person, any kind of confidence. So yeah if that is the case then alphas are going to be sexually desirable. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:24 AM
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That's all really interesting. Jealousy itself is so fascinating. Interpersonally, it just seems like a huge pain in the ass. In relationships why bother? But damn, it is hard to overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:20 AM
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I think that's a possible view. The view of the stoics is not so much you should not feel emotions but that they would be empty data. But they have a larger view that goes along with that about how there is nothing that is bad or good except moral virtue. I wonder if you have ever thought about all the enjoyment you get fro watching a movie, for example. If you felt no emotions when watching a movie, or reading a book or playing an online game, the pleasure would be massively blunted. Think of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/15 12:19 AM
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If you say so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:01 PM
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Yes, but it kind of sucked to be Joseph in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:59 PM
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Didn't even notice I was down voted! I was being very Red Pill and not worrying what people think of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:58 PM
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But with no sex in between--like just monogamous. OK, thanks for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:05 PM
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I think there's a very intense dichotomy here between emotive/non-emotive, emotional-non-emotional. There's also an incredibly crude view of natural selection. For one thing (but this is only one thing) there is this idea that every person is like a packet of genes and you just pass on your little packet. That's not how genes work or selection works. You're carrying a lot of genes from other people. So in a family it is possible there'd be selection of the genes of people in the family and the f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:03 PM
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I have to google that now. I've never heard of it. Edited: I googled but this is still a cuckold situation isn't it? Is there a fetish where the wife wants the husband to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:43 PM
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Oh...I get it. That is a bad thing. So basically, a person who doesn't understand social justice but thinks they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:42 PM
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I'm kidding. I was just repeating the author's claim above about rising machismo culture and how that's going to swamp the Western World with the birth rate. That's his claim. I'm 100% skeptical. If my skepticism were a star, it's gravitational power would collapse the earth into a diamond.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 12:04 PM
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How is the imprisonment rate the result of feminism? It seems like you are talking about a more authoritarian society if you want to prevent these social issues but then you would have fewer people in prison? How would you achieve that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 12:01 PM
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Yeah, I don't really know how she got the numbers that high. I think some of it was one crazy year in London hanging out with famous rock stars. They totally sleep around. I guess my point is that women will also sleep around when a lot of partners are available. Especially with one extremely gorgeous friend I wish I had paid more attention to her reasons but she really liked men both sexually and as people. I often felt like she kind of did it as a kind of bonding exercise. But people would fol…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 11:58 AM
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There's yours. I'm not just sucking up. But I am kind of a sucker for primatology even though it is harder than it looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 10:17 AM
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Wow, that's great. I probably don't agree but I love reading it. Really interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 10:13 AM
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I've heard this before and it makes me laugh because sensitivity doesn't elicit sexual desire but it definitely doesn't dampen it! Crying from a man you are attracted to DOES NOT dampen your attraction. Not in the least. I mean, no one's going to be turned on just because someone cries. That would be a bit odd. But if you are attracted already they can cry their heads off and--if the crying is not some indication of mental illness or something inappropriate and confusing--the woman is not going …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 10:06 AM
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My point was not that jealousy doesn't play a role in fitness. Big picture--all emotions do. Emotions are hardwired and we have them for a reason. But we can't always intuit how or why they are good adaptations just be imagining how they'd work---for example, we don't know if male jealousy ensures the offspring is the male's. Is it a successful strategy? And why wouldn't a male's sexual interest in a female be a threat to the survival of her offspring? Won't either an emotional or sexual interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 09:23 AM
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A lot of these claims are factual claims about people but very hard to verify. They are very slippery kinds of facts--sort of things that people think they can intuit but could not be demonstrated. But TRP probably makes sense for men who are attracted to a certain type of woman. And hopefully it will make sense for the woman as well! A funny thing about alphas and betas is also that everything is thought to be natural and not manipulable by choice but alpha and beta IS fixable and manipulable b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:59 AM
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Ah, OK, I am starting to get it now. But I'd say that it's way more complicated--that many betas are quite successful with women and some alphas are not. Thanks! (I'm also wondering if this isn't like the Myers Briggs which has been so soundly disconfirmed.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:52 AM
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This is very fascinating. Let's see--other examples are what you might call liberal arts graduate egalitarian relationships--they are very stable. I would bet you that there is less divorce and more marital happiness in those relationships than in more traditional relationships. Divorce rates are very low. The people are very similar--they have similar work, they both work, they share domestic tasks, intellectual interests. You'd have to be really sort of stubborn to insist that these people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:43 AM
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MEN laugh when a woman kicks a man in the balls? I've never seen that. I've seen kids laugh though. (Not to self: Tell kids to never laugh at this.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:25 AM
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I am still trying to figure out what counts as an 'alpha.' Any man a woman will go to great lengths for is an alpha. Ergo, if a woman will not go to great lengths for you, you are a beta. But how do you explain WHY the woman goes to great lengths for you. Because you are an alpha. How do we KNOW the woman are not going to great lengths for a beta. Because BY DEFINITION a woman doesn't do that...If he's an alpha, she's going to great lengths for him but if she goes to great lengths for him he mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:22 AM
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Rising machismo culture. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:17 AM
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How are these societies 'defeating' the West?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:17 AM
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There are no unfuckable guys. But there are guys who are not getting fucked--for a wide variety of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:16 AM
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It's not a fundamental difference between women and men--it's that people are very wrapped up in what potential sexual partners think of them and how appealing they find them. People feel like their sexual attractiveness is a key component of their value. Men and women both believe this. So when they are not seen as sexually attractive, they feel personally disregarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:15 AM
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That's just speculation. To really verify this--you need data. You might be able to get hard data but probably not. You'd need to get a lot of data about what makes women and men jealous and how different it is between them. He's smart but you can't see this just by imagining what was adaptive. We often don't know what was adaptive just by looking. (It fits with his selfish gene view though.) For all we know, jealousy is something from childhood designed to keep our mothers interested so they'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:07 AM
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Oh, I thought a serial monogamist was someone who would be monogamous for a while--but not necessarily someone who was only monogamous in every relationship. But maybe not--I guess you are saying that to be a serial monogamist you'd have to have one monogamous relationship, then another, then another...Ah hah! Well, I also know people like that. A certain kind of beautiful woman is ALWAYS getting approached by men. It would just be absurd how much attention some of my friends would get. But they…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 08:01 AM
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I think you are right about intensity. Intensity is a big problem in being able to reason clearly. Emotions cannot be a weakness on their own--TRP is all about evolution and the naturalness of gender norms and you're going to say the thing we are most hardwired to do, which is feel, is a weakness? Where they are harmful to a person--it's all what you do with them. We have them almost continually as well--we feel disgust or curiosity or amusement or joy or annoyance. We
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:57 AM
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No, what I meant was 60 sexual partners. Then she'd settle down with one for a bit (sometimes not super long). And then she'd be single after a bit and then she'd sleep with tons of people in between. But for her it was never about finding security with those men. She really did like men for things she admire about them--she did not want security. Of course, I know women who like security. Almost no one I have ever known fits the description of people in TRP where men want women for sex and wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:53 AM
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It's impossible to confirm or disconfirm this via the internet but there are just so many men whose choices would disconfirm this idea that their insistence on marriage is due to scarcity mentality. I think this depends on the idea that any woman is interchangable with another woman (if you can find one who meets the same standard). Even before feminism, going back thousands of years, this is not the most commonly held view among men. But now I'm really curious whether there is any reality to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:49 AM
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I'm glad it has helped you. Clearly, if a person like him had used it to good effect that would be better than killing 5 people. However, anyone who ended up with him might not have survived the experience. He did not sound like a guy who would let a woman break up with him and stay alive. He sounded like someone who might not have been able to make a full connection with other people that is required to solve his loneliness problem. TRP is pretty interesting but I find the 'big theory' behind i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:21 AM
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I think one could follow these principles and love a partner. The calculated manipulation and the lack of transparency could lead to a very significant kind of distance though. It would really depend. I think it probably works best for people whose sexual desires really mesh with some of the principles--who like a submissive/dominant heterosexuality (at least a bit). Things like reciprocity (providing for other people because they did the same for you) are not really the same as a contractual el…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 07:14 AM
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Emotions won't be a perfect guide to reality--they won't necessarily tell you what to do in a situation. But they will give you data and information about situations and about yourself. What you do with it is up to you but a person who feels an emotion is not primed to be less rational in every case. A person who doesn't feel emotions would be someone who doesn't have access to some of the data our unconscious mind is processing for us. Letting your emotions drive your judgement would be very un…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:45 AM
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The article is basically one girl telling another girl some strategy for not feeling insecure in relationships. It's not exactly data on what people generally do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:40 AM
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What is your background view of human behavior that makes this such a conundrum? We evolved, we have many traits that are adaptive and many to pass on our genes but not every action or behavior will be adaptive. In fact, most of what we do is only shaped by the demands of survival and reproduction in the very broad outlines. One thing a kind of crude Darwinism always forgets is how social we are. Our survival as a species depends on a huge amount of social interaction and a huge amount of what w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:35 AM
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Wow, is this ever false. As a woman, let me tell you this is false. It depends entirely on what a woman prefers but my most gorgeous friends (and I mean super gorgeous--they dated rock stars, they were in magazines, etc.) had MANY partners. One friend of mine had over 60 partners by the time we were in our early 20s and she probably has over 100 now. All these women are serial monogamists. They had many partners, then a serious boyfriend for a few years, they'd break up and then again find a boy…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:26 AM
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Darn it...I can't find it. Oh, I'm SURE he gave off a 'weird' vibe. But is TRP going to cure people's weird vibes too? He went to a seminar on how to date women. I don't know what the seminar was. But much of the advice that's floating around is not that different. The movie "Magnolia" has all sorts of claims that are very much echoed in the advice I am reading on TRP. So he surely got some advice about how to play the game--and it wouldn't have been TOTALLY unfamiliar to people in the subreddit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:17 AM
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You certainly could say that any action was 'love' and 'value for you as a human' but you would be wrong about whether you were loved if there was not regard for you for your own sake and a high degree of altruism as a possibility. We all know love is not 'just anything.' Love, friendship, valuing a person are real things and some types of relationship simply don't qualify as this. If I am only willing to benefit you because benefitting you benefits me then I don't love you. If there's a deal br…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 06:03 AM
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His diary was online. He did approach. I think he sort of functioned normally. He had a job, he was amassing wealth, he looked normal, he was very fit. Mentally, he was most definitely unstable but his diary was very calm. It would probably remind you of a reddit posting--like 'today I asked a girl out and she turned me down.' A lot of stuff like that. No denying there was something truly wrong with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 05:45 AM
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My father. To my mother. To my whole family. You've really never seen a man do this? It's just called 'being a controlling person.' Men do this. And women do this. Sometimes it's an unshakable personality trait and sometimes it's the product of temporary anxiety. But men do this to women all the time. I have someone at work--a man--who has done it to me. I'm not his employee. He's very high strung and anxious and if you don't do things exactly the way he wants OMFG look out. It's not a male or f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 05:38 AM
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Do girls have to be nice to boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 05:23 AM
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Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:52 AM
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There was this very buff guy that had money (he was also reasonably good looking) who about 6 years ago shot up a gym in New Jersey. He spent all his time working out. He could not get a date or get any woman to feel affection for him. It's hard to feel bad for him since he killed a bunch of innocent people. I cannot remember his name. He had all the qualities one would want, according to this theory. I think he was worth about $250,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:50 AM
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Do people here all agree that men divide so neatly into Alphas and Betas?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:48 AM
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Oh, hah. Thanks. That sounds like a good thing to be. But not on reddit, I'll bet!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 04:41 AM
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I would like a world where people don't get defined so much by their appearance. The problem I'd have with the 'short acceptance movement' would be that it sucks someone who is short has to be defined by being short. Rather, it's better if any stigma associating with being short is gone and no one even needs a short acceptance movement. Why the hell should it matter if you are short? It's so stupid to care about what someone's height is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:48 AM
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The question 'does life have a meaning' has a bunch of interpretations but one interpretation is: Does life have a big purpose--either our individual life or the existence of our species. My point is that the question 'can some action be wrong (or right)?' is a different question altogether. Maybe we have no big purpose with a capital 'P' in life but we can still do something that is wrong. They are just totally separate issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:42 AM
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What's SJW?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:39 AM
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Yes, sorry, I was trying to think of what the word for a female infidelity would be if folded into a sexual fetish. I was only wondering if they were true because they are a little bit titillating and sometimes describe things that sound like sexual fantasies. I thought the people were really young just because generally the older people I know don't have the same interpersonal anxieties that some of the people on this subreddit appear to have. But I think the people on TRP are very different th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:38 AM
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But having emotions does not mean that the emotions are going to overcome any rational judgments you have. Emotions are just data--having them is not the problem. They are often good data in interpersonal contexts and you can use them to make decisions. For example, you may get a feeling of fear or wariness in a situation--pay attention to that feeling and you might be able to avoid dangers you hadn't noticed. Lacking emotion would be a terrible handicap in making decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:20 AM
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I think this is one really great explanation for why many people don't like displays and emotion and see them as weak--it comes from childhood and how one's parents (usually one's mother) reacted to one's childhood need, vulnerability and dependence. Men and women are like this about displays of emotion and women also get the same reaction from many people for displays of vulnerable emotions--like sadness, fear, regret, etc. Anger, disgust, annoyance, resentment, etc. get a different reaction fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:18 AM
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Life could have no meaning and there could still be morality. Morality does not require life to have meaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:14 AM
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I have this view and I'm a woman. This is exactly my view about life. (However, I do have emotions and display them.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:13 AM
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Oh, how I would love some data. People get confused about data on reddit though. You need A LOT of data before it's good data. And how do you control for all the other factors--there would be a million confounding factors. But it would be an interesting experiment for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:13 AM
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I have just discovered this subreddit/subculture. One of the people I ran across (a very intelligent person--I am confounded by why he believes this stuff) claimed that women do not like men who cry. That if crying got men women, men would be crying on street corners. I was just chuckling over this with my husband. Oh, he is such a crier. Admittedly, we've been married for over 10 years and we aren't having sex 3x a day but we used to. More, even! I swear he must have cried once a week when we w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 03:10 AM
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Oh, of course power plays happen but the level of cynicism and the certainty about egoism is unwarranted for the vast majority. It simply does not describe most people's interpersonal psychology that well. But some people have difficulty negotiating relationships and I think this does draw them to power schemes. For example, it would reduce interpersonal vulnerability tremendously and this could probably also reduce men's (or women's) anxiety about emotional need and dependence. It's entirely am…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:53 AM
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OK, thanks! Geez, a bit twisted! This subreddit subculture begs to be read as a sexual subcultural and when I read it that way, one wants to say 'whatever floats your boat.' That infidelity would prompt desire in women and nothing else--like hate and divorce--would seem plausible for people with certain kinds of fetishes. But implausible for the vast majority lacking those fetishes. I've never heard of a woman with a cuckold fetish but I've heard of men with them. But I'm sure a woman could also…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:47 AM
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People have no moral standards on this account. No one treats another person well because they are a good person or they love them. If I thought like this, I'd kill myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:03 AM
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People have no moral standards on this account. No one treats another person well because they are a good person or they love them. If I thought like this, I'd kill myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:03 AM
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People have no moral standards on this account. No one treats another person well because they are a good person or they love them. If I thought like this, I'd kill myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:03 AM
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Curious: Do men never want to get married on this account? I was in my 30s but I'd been avoiding saying yes or planning marriage for over 4 years. My husband is the one who was so sure it was a good idea for all those years. I was not sure. We now agree it was a very good idea and he was smart!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:00 AM
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What's dread game? How do I find the definition of all these terms?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 01:58 AM
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This is incredibly generous of you. I have to warn you not to read everything I'm about to write--but I have to really write it. Then I swear I will never come on MRA again. It feels like I'm learning something fascinating but--still not on the same page with you and so it could be rubbernecking if I did comment any more. But what you say is kind of a revelation and there are some things that I have personal reasons for wanting to think through and remember for the future. Thank you because I th…
/r/MensRights26/05/15 10:05 AM
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No, I would never claim that. They are enforced by all of us, living together. We are enforcing them on each other--and they are tremendously variant, depending on a person's social circumstances. So there is no one masculine or one feminine ideal--there are a huge number and some are even contradictory to other ones. I'm getting the picture that it's not that plausible to you probably that hegemonic masculine ideals are going to feel oppressive to men if they don't meet them. So I won't say tha…
/r/MensRights26/05/15 07:27 AM
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No, I did not say that there are any particular feelings one should have. I said that there are causes of certain norms and ideals and the cause of this norm is not feminism (except in some really indirect way). So I do not understand how it would be something that would be relevant to the original poster's concerns. It's a factual issue, not a feeling issue. Any feeling anyone has about this--if it is a negative feeling--is probably appropriate because it sets up a standard few can meet and is …
/r/MensRights26/05/15 06:18 AM
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It is pretty ridiculous. Yes, I'm not a man. However, I am puzzled because I don't think it has anything to do with feminism. It does promote a set of masculine ideals--of a particular type, probably not the ones we associate with ultimately ideal masculinity. Masculine ideals, however, vary over time. (They also vary by race, class, ethnicity, subculture, region and so on.) Beau Brummel was not created by feminism but it was a masculine ideal. Fops and dandies were not primarily gay, believe it…
/r/MensRights26/05/15 02:42 AM
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OK, I do understand the issue is complex--but it's a ton of different health and education and public policy proposals you are talking about if you really are concerned about the people involved. Some things--like never having a program where 'girl power' or whatever is the focus might not even help the men with college. You might get rid of everything like that and not see any benefits. But most things that benefit actual people are probably things a lot of feminists would support. The culture …
/r/MensRights25/05/15 10:34 PM
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With public policy issues, generally there would be a very specific goals and issues or you cannot make any difference. So, e.g, with life expectancy you'd have to look at the specific causes and then work on them. It would not make sense to have a public policy push to make sure men and women have exactly the same life spans. What would you do, in particular? (The causes would definitely matter. So, for example--in poor communities of color a reason men have much shorter life spans because they…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 09:23 PM
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What are the specific things you want the feminists to be on board with?
/r/MensRights25/05/15 05:22 PM
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