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That's a fair call. The number of times I've started typing a comment and then deleted it or just aborted it mid
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/21 04:52 AM
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People who want the feelings they get from interacting with someone they find attractive at the click of a button, and someone they can also get rid of with the click of a button, perhaps? All of the power and control, for less than the cost of a taxi fare in a major city? These things are vending machines for emotional fast food. The feelings aren't "genuine", but they're close enough for a 'quick meal'. That said, I don't know this from personal experience, just what has made me fleetingly thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:10 AM
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Uncanny valley. Particularly relevant username!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 02:34 PM
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She's talking about the 'butterflies in her stomach'. That's not the sexual arousal feeling, that's the physiological state of anxiety that bad boy types and narcissists induce behave by being unpredictable and being 'dangerous'. People in this sub often fail to realise that 'being dangerous' doesn't need to be about risk of physical harm (hence all the mindless yammering about criminals), the risk of emotional harm can just as easily provoke the anxiety state that causes the 'butterflies' sensa…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/06/21 04:30 AM
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if the parson wants kids or not If god wills it!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:07 AM
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some give-and-take in every relationship I think this is one of the main things missing in a lot of online discussion about these topics, and what often makes them feel so disconnected from the lived experience of the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/21 04:04 AM
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It's a balancing act. Be kind, gentle and supportive when those are required, but don't only and always be those things, and do not lead courtship and re-seduction with those things. Be challenging, creative, playful and surprising. Limit your availability, set strong and enforced boundaries and demonstrate clear leadership. Above all, maintain frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 05:43 AM
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Not any more: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/no8103/its_all_men/
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 09:43 AM
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Your comment prompted me to google, and now I am not sure if I am disappointed or not!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/21 06:14 AM
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+1 for the cowfish-pill
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 05:46 AM
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He means thirty-five: https://old.reddit.com/r/firstimpression/comments/ngusu0/35m_what_is_it/ Pretty decent looking bloke by some standards too, but the fact he has such a weak frame that he defaults to age-faking in inconsequential internet comments to push his party-pill concept says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 05:12 AM
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No, I get what you're saying. It is just quite narrow in its applicability and produces a very narrow type of success for a pretty narrow demographic, the way you've presented it. It's an interesting idea, and it probably could be generalised to 'organising social events' because of the skills required to do so - and the necessary forming of social connections. However the hysterics about the study you found really dragged down your post imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 05:01 AM
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READ THAT ABSTRSCT A MILLION TIMES YOU PANSIES. I read it once. It had nothing to do with throwing parties? There's this (predictable) thing that people like to do when debating on the internet which is to throw a study about as proof of one thing, then use that supposed credibility to back a completely unsupported idea. Results indicate that dominance and the traits associated with it predict men’s mating success, so.... TRP then? but attractiveness and the traits associated with it do not. Bla…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 04:49 AM
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Once you know the handbook it's pretty easy to work out who is FDS though, there are certain things they just won't compromise on. Plus, they're meant to make FDS specific alts, and then delete those every few months to reduce dox potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 08:10 PM
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"You have now been banned from TRP".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:53 PM
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In the same way that TRP has no time for incels or blackpills, radfems has no time for libfems.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:47 PM
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Most women are liberal feminists. FDS women hate liberal feminism, and most of their handbook is the opposite of what liberal feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:34 PM
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FDS is quite a specific thing. To be an FDS woman you actually have to read and understand the handbook, because they have very strict rules about what you should do and what you mustn't do. What you're talking about is just general entitlement, happens regardless of a person's gender politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:26 PM
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The subs aren't at outright war yet. https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/wiki/moderationpolicy Look at the related subs box, and you'll see a suspicious absence of one the most popular female subs. Similar story on /r/Feminism/ TwoX is much more liberal feminist than it is radical feminist (if you're not sure about that split, radfem is antiporn and more WGOTW). /r/Feminism has a mix of radfems, libfems and other schools of feminism, with more of an anti-porn but kink-tolerant position. FDS…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 03:20 PM
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Hmm, I stand corrected then. Interestingly THIS subreddit is the number one place for FDS users to post in outside of FDS: https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/femaledatingstrategy Although, that is perhaps less surprising/interesting than it looks, most relationship subs and female subs are banning FDS references and also FDS users on sight, whereas there's no such policy here. The other feminist subs have no interest in them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:32 PM
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I feel like you're overstating it, I've only seen maybe 3 or 4 users that express FDS views as per the handbook as their own opinions. On the other hand there are quite a few people here who like to read FDS and can comment (with varying degrees of accuracy) about FDS viewpoints. I fall into the latter camp, although I'm also not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 02:16 PM
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Because it's actually the sort of content I was hoping to find here when I first came to this sub!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:35 AM
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Thanks for posting this, /u/Luciansleep it's generated some of the most interesting discussion and some very intriguing and informative comments from the women of PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:30 AM
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Nice catch, hopefully the navy SEALS deliver appropriate pasta justice!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/21 10:31 AM
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Who hurt you? https://i.imgur.com/xaeci73.png
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 02:39 PM
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And don't give me that "human brains develop until 25" nonsense. It isn't nonsense, but that research doesn't really explain why it would take until 30 to mature. It suggests a more cultural basis, given that it appears to have shifted over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 02:34 PM
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Muscular, potentially oiled, men are eternal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:38 PM
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but I've been clear about Not as clear as you thought you might have been, judging by the reactions in this thread. I'm not saying that as a jibe, I mean that in sympathy as I've had similar experiences when trying to express nuance and limited scope on reddit. Either way, I stand in full agreement that addressing a woman or group of females as "hey female!" is inappropriate and demeaning. Referring to women as females, or using females as a collective noun in almost any other context, however i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:34 PM
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A lot of men would enjoy getting romantic with an unconscious woman, ... which is sexual assault. A lot of men I wasn't talking about a lot of men, I was talking about the men who are in a position to be the chooser, because women actively pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:27 PM
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I'm assuming you meant boys+men. Yes, my bad. Thanks for picking it up. And that's because gender studies is not biology, it has nothing to do with biology or any of the "real sciences", it's sociology, and they're talking about gender and not sex That's a bit harsh on gender studies, it's still informed by other strands of academic discourse. I guess these days the preferred terminology would be AFAB, AMAB though. Either way, the term 'males' and 'females' has widespread and specific usage and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:21 PM
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You'd think so... but the discourse in pop feminism circles (vs academic ones) never really deals with even the most minor of subtleties. What about health sciences and social sciences as well? Even in gender studies it is frequently appropriate to talk about females (girls+women) and males (boys+women). Ultimately I think it's about the males (be they boys or men) using the word with inherent disrespect and in a disparaging way - they are the issue, not the word. It's no less offensive to call …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 01:08 PM
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Being around a man who will mix up refering to everyone else in the room as other people, men, boys, bros, homies/friends, or just by calling them by their names, it feels dehumanizing to be referred to as "that female" how can you expect girls to treat you with respect and kindness when your way of getting their attention is by yelling "hey female!" In both the examples you state, I would consider the use of the language demeaning and inappropriate. However, the carte blanche declaration of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 12:57 PM
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Same as many women. True, but in general they tend to be exposed to more information on how to clean properly. https://narrowthegap.co/gap/maids-and-housekeeping-cleaners That's a link about the pay gap? Maybe something more like this: https://www.angi.com/articles/general-house-cleaning-vs-deep-cleaning.htm ?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 10:52 AM
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It's not just the observed time, there's a lot of unobserved time too. This lays it out very well: https://english.emmaclit.com/2017/05/20/you-shouldve-asked/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:55 AM
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“I’m a single man and my home is spotless. Stop acting like it’s brain surgery!" Most of the guys who say this aren't actually cleaning their homes properly anyway. That perspective coming from a man who is quite fastidious in some areas of cleaning, but not others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:53 AM
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Men simply don't give a shit about 90% of the shit women feel they need to clean. This is just because those men aren't cleaning properly. Some women do over-clean for sure, but most men vastly under-clean when it comes to stuff like mould and dust-mite prevention. Periodic deep cleaning is vital, but most people don't have the time to do it in one go, so it gets spread out. There are objective cleaning standards, it's what you get when you pay professionals to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:51 AM
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They always say they have no good options, but have no clue what it’s like to have no options at all. Neither of these situations is good, and both parties have a right to complain about it Women think their road is the hardest no matter what. That's just the solipsism of people in general. Empathic types, no matter what their gender, see how the road is hard for everyone who experiences it as hard. It is true that some people have objectively more difficult struggles, but what's lost is that pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 07:26 AM
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Are they Asian Yes. did they exclusively date white men No. The way Asian women date is s fetish, simple as that. Having lived in a variety of western and Asian countries, I have only known a few Asian women to date like that. Sure some do, but most don't. Where I live currently, foreigner white men are actually viewed as a poor option by most local women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 06:44 AM
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Saying Asian men you’ve never met remind you of your brother is not “getting weird about it”? Maybe they do remind them of their brother? Spending all day online slagging off white men for their race and “whiteness” and then exclusively dating white guys is not “getting weird about it”? That's racism and hate-fucking, and yes once someone is doing that, I'd say that's getting weird about it. However none of the women in my family and social circle who married interracially were like that, all me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 06:04 AM
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You might start to see this swing round with the current fascination with Kpop, for Asian men who are able to rise to the occasion. To see some unfiltered evidence of this, check out who appears in FDS's Fine AF Friday. FDS are certainly not known for keeping quiet with their opinions or filtering them for the sake of being politically correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:53 AM
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It's only a fetish when you get weird about it. If you live in the US and you find yourself more attracted to one race than the other, and date locally according to whom you find attractive, then that's just your preference. if you live in the US, become obsessed with finding a partner from a certain race, make it a core part of your identity and go so far as pursue this overseas, then that's another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:33 AM
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I don't know about the stats OP is citing, but there is this study that was cited further up the thread: https://i.imgur.com/4Ivdg7D.png https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:27 AM
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As a fellow male PoC, they're quite emphatically not "your women". In fact, if that's your attitude, that's probably why women from your ethnic group won't date you, because it is one of the things that a lot of women view as a giant red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:24 AM
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It does feel a bit like that, and some of it is the worst sort of crusty calloused and ulcerated sort of circle jerking too. On the other hand, certainly lots of debate fodder if one has the time/inclination.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:17 AM
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That's just chooser privilege though, it's not gender specific. When you are the Chad, women need to put their best foot forward and are judged through the same lens of boring/not-boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:03 AM
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Depends on the definition, but it might also include supporting your wife on her bad days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:01 AM
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However, we are going through a transition period as now for the first time men and women both need to work for money. There are growing pains as we have to transition out of women being the heads of the home and men being the heads of the family. This process of 'cultural negotiation' is quite a fascinating one. There is no central forum, no recognised lasting authorities, everyone is involved, everyone has a say through their own actions and discussions, the discourse is informed from so many …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 05:01 AM
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/r/FDSdissent too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:52 AM
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I mean, the people who are in these positions know what it takes to succeed in them, from an internal perspective. The expectation of a man being married to perform in these roles is not just about the domestic side of things, but also as a measure of his emotional stability, whether or not he can socialise properly in critical informal settings, his proneness to 'bachelor behaviours' etc. That said, exceptional candidates with track records aren't subject to those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:45 AM
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That’s not any worse than what trp advocates for men to spin plates and be seeing a bunch of women at the same time and not tell them about it. The amount of outrage at that post was frankly hilarious if you compare it to the strategies advocated in the manosphere I think a good deal of the outrage came from the idea of keeping the desired man waiting yet then having a rotation of guys to sleep with. It wasn't so much the disposability of the rotation guys (men are socialised into being disposab…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:34 AM
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I never said it was so bad, more just that it was still bad. Women can’t decide to participate in something for the glory , fame and opportunities while simultaneously calling it sexist The women who participate (often organising, promoting and supporting, in addition to competing) don't think it's sexist, in general. It's other people who think it's sexist. That said there are plenty of people who act counter to their own broader interests due to other pressures/motivations, and there are also …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/21 04:11 AM
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I see what you're arguing regarding neuroplasticity, but the discussion about brain maturation isn't really just about that, it's about the brain as part of the development of the human organism through adolescence. Consider the equivalent adaptiveness of the musculoskeletal system. It goes through a period of intense growth and development through puberty, and it's clear that we draw an endpoint of maturation when someone stops growing. However training of the skeletal muscle can result in hype…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 05:35 PM
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What do you think? Are pageants sexist? The old school feminist in me has a hard time shaking off the idea that no matter how one reinvents and modernises the concept, it's still something that grew out of deeply sexist roots and is a literal parade of objectification, and they're usually controlled by problematic people. At the same time, they certainly do seem to serve as career bolstering opportunities for winners, and for women who don't necessarily have the privilege nor intellect to achiev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 05:05 PM
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I tend to agree with you, but aside from the obvious issue of kids simply not paying attention and forgetting everything, there's the question of what sort of content would be in relationship education? It would almost certainly be unhelpful, very middle of the road bluepill content just by the nature of what's mainstream at the moment, the way society is constantly shifting and the lack of any sort of 'evidence based dating and relationships' body of knowledge that people could possibly agree o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 04:06 PM
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Some people are definitely pushing back on the article, but you're certainly right that the article doesn't really support a lot of OP's additional opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 03:38 PM
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I'm surprised/not-surprised at how much push back this article is getting, because it is (accidentally) very red pilled. It's just that the author's construct of alpha is rather misguided (or the conventional sociology version, really). two big winners were confident (72 percent sought this trait for an ideal date; 74 percent sought this trait for an ideal romantic partner) and assertive (48 percent sought this trait for an ideal date; 36 percent sought this trait for an ideal romantic partner) …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 03:08 PM
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We need to be more specific when we say “be yourself.” Like “Be a better version of yourself” or “Be yourself with a few more socially positive traits.” People who need advice need a LOT of direction. This is absolutely true. It is age appropriate advice to give young people, because it's really about them grasping the broad thrust of the idea, but many people definitely need follow up and more guidance as to how to implement it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 02:41 PM
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They’re just homely, have a flat ass and won’t fuck you like a porn star so y’all ignore them Even that's being ungenerous, there are plenty of women across the attractiveness spectrum who will be willing to marry the first guy they fall in love with from their immediate social circles, and looksmatching within that. They either wind up as single mothers when things go south, resurfacing into the dating market as divorcees or the sizeable fraction of married couples who go the distance: Accordin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 02:39 PM
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now I have stalled I feel like its hopeless. This just the 'forever small' voice, or gym dysphoria. You need to train yourself to ignore it so that you don't lose discipline with your training or your diet. How important are muscles to find a relationship? / I still don't really look like I lift Wrong question really. It's more about overall size of your build, overall shape of your build, your body fat percentage (face gains) and your muscular definition. Most of the time, even aesthetic liftin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 02:26 PM
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Girl fixes Broken Man This is partly the flipside of AF/BB. The "I can fix him/tame him, I know he's good inside" narrative runs up until one's heart has been broken too many times, then it's the switch to 'the nice man" (not the "nice guy" though). I feel like RP tends to write this off as 'hamstering' but that seems like a facile and ignorant way to view it, given that it's clear there is a combination of cultural, personal disposition and biological tendencies (AWALT) at play to how a woman r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 08:50 AM
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Indeed, the modern consensus view seems to be that the human brain may not fully mature until 20-25 years of age. Discussion of this topic at NPR: Under most laws, young people are recognized as adults at age 18. But emerging science about brain development suggests that most people don't reach full maturity until the age 25. https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708 Nice, detailed overview The prefrontal cortex is one of the last regions of the brain to reach maturation, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/21 07:23 AM
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There used to be a post from earlier in the sub's history that was linked in the handbook about sleeping with other men whilst keeping a potential HVM waiting if it wasn't possible for her to stay celibate for the 3-6 months, but otherwise stating that casual sex was not recommended. I can't find it at the moment, and I think that idea isn't really mainstream in the sub these days, if it ever was. I don't personally think it makes a great deal of difference given that communities should be allow…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 06:34 PM
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Sorry, I'm just really curious about the experiences of women who engage with that subreddit. Were you asking about /r/RedPillWomen ? A more interesting sub to poke around might be /r/redpillwives , if you weren't aware of it already: I was asked by a couple of members here to pin a post explaining the difference between this sub and /r/RedPillWomen. In short - RedPillWomen is run by TRP men, RedPillWives is run by women. https://www.reddit.com/r/RedPillWives/comments/iy6ajm/what_is_redpillwives…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 05:10 PM
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The selfish gene says every man work hard, invent stuff or succeed in life to enhance his reproductive success and attract more women. That isn't what Dawkins says at all. What you're describing is the conventional Darwinian model of organisms maximising reproductive fitness. The point of the Selfish Gene hypothesis is that evolution selects for genes that are most likely result in those genes being reproduced, even if it means the organism that 'owns' the genes is more likely to suffer disease …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 02:30 PM
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It's run with a bit of an iron fist, although I don't personally hold it against them. Part of what you need to do to successfully grow a movement is keep the focus tight and keep it a bit (or more than a bit) cult like. I feel it's quite consistent of them to say 'we're taking a hard stand against LVM' and then take a hard stand against women who fall out of line. Probably the only time I have seen a genuine split is actually over make-up, where there was a big argument over a post whether or n…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 01:53 PM
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I'd rather be pretty aligned in terms of values and perspectives on life. I do want a partner who will call me on my BS and hold me to my own standards though, I think that is part of a healthy relationship. Where we have differing viewpoints I would like to be able to discuss them, but not necessarily challenge each other. Who would want PPD at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 12:19 PM
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And if it doesn't, I prompt to explain, which is interpreted as invalidating the vent etc. It's obvious that you've got an excellent grasp of the mechanisms and nuances of communication from what you've written, so my comment comes in that context - if your prompts to explain are being interpreted as invalidating the vent by multiple people, then this is an area where your skills could be further refined because it certainly seems easily within your reach to be able to prompt in a way that is we…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 07:54 AM
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FDS seemed to have more open misandry, and a bunch of pictures of men that they were drooling over (seriously). The pics of men is a new thing they've just started doing called 'Fine AF Friday'. Not everyone in the sub was happy about it, but they either got shut down or banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 07:27 AM
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There's nothing arbitrary about it, the age gap is over an order of magnitude greater than what she was comfortable with. treat age difference like a disease I'm older than this guy is. If I wanted to date a 25 year old, there are ways of doing it that are transparent, effective and don't involve deceiving anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 04:21 PM
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It’s an extremely dangerous mindset to equate the fact you said you where a bit younger than you actually are with predatory behavior. What, exactly, are the dangers? Furthermore, his suspension turned out to be true that she was prejudiced towards men like him So what he really did was just completely waste both their time AND make the world a less enjoyable place for BOTH of them. He would have had a better experience dating someone who was open to dating his age, and she would have had a bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 03:08 PM
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The binary thinking of so many people here is not helpful. I wonder if amber lights induce temporary existential crises in said people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:34 PM
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It's actually funny to see how much male sexuality has been trampled on these past few years. This is a good point, the noisy voices are drowning out any healthy model for young men to follow, or for men to follow in general. Personally, I think the Blue Pill model of male sexuality remains the most healthy, it's just the Blue Pill model of relationship dynamics that lead up to and surround the sexual parts just isn't working so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:31 PM
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I feel like there is a group of people out there who are incapable of using the determiner 'some', and many of them gather on PPD. Then again, I guess: Some men are horndog sexual predators who are trying to sexually harass and rape women 24/7 and Some men jerking off to porn all day so they aren't horny enough to pursue real women doesn't really make for anything to post about in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:28 PM
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She is only 25 years old. At that age, 2 years can still feel like a significant difference. Have a look at these tables, sorted by age gap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage For many places in the developed world, the average age gap of first marriage is less than 2.0 years. So from that perspective, OP is actually just operating within the normal bounds of cultural expectation. (Yes, I'm aware that the FULL normal range would extend 1-2SD+/- the mean, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 02:24 PM
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I hear that. I’ve been in a similar spot from time to time, difference is my gf supported that. Any woman that doesn’t is just a complete dickhead. I'm glad to hear you both got through it! I don't blame my gf at the time though, the situation was complex and had evolved over years, sometimes life just piles the stuff on at the wrong time and hits all the weak points. It's never just the one thing, after all, and we're all just human.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 01:27 PM
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I think often if a man puts on an unrealistically hypermasculine front initially, his inability to keep up that front will ultimately be his downfall. For me it wasn't so much that I portray an unrealistic ideal in an active sense of 'putting it on'. I do my best to try and be relatively consistent and transparent, it's more just that life happens and can temporarily undo a lot of the self-work that it took to get to where I am today. When it happens he might go “women don’t like emotions” when …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:29 AM
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Status by itself isn't necessarily the metric, it's useful status. That makes sense when you think about the fact that status is a social metric; it's social power, but it also needs to be congruent with the way you are perceived. A 'bad boy' who is low status amongst his friends group (if they are otherwise average guys) reinforces his appeal by being congruent. An 'alpha leader' type who is disrespected and held in low regard by his friends group loses appeal by being incongruent. It'd be nice…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:23 AM
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Within that framework, I'd say my experiences were that my falls into vulnerability "too much and too steep a fall" relative to their conception of who I am, which is generally self-possessed, emotionally stable and capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:12 AM
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My side of the pond? I'm one of those ex-convict types down under lol Still, I think that's the thing with anecdotal evidence. You never really know if you're just sitting in a statistical deviation, or if one's experience is closer to the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 10:04 AM
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Yes, and generally quite emotionally intelligent, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 09:55 AM
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Lmao, how is this not flamingly obvious to this sub? I don't know, it really does make me wonder what is going on sometimes. I can't work out if it's just the way the internet tends to filter for and amplify certain points of view in ways that are disproportionate to the mainstream consensus, or if it actually is truly reflective of changes in the social fabric. I used to think it was mostly just the former, but the rise and astoundingly widespread acceptance of QAnon (given what it proposes) su…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 06:27 AM
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Or do you genuinely not care about her occupation, or future plans relating to the same, and not take these issues into consideration at all- even when dating with a view to settling down together? I tend to think about her fulfilment at work, its impact on her happiness, her safety, the demands of the career as they might impact our time together and the amount of outside work commitment. I'd anticipate her career would be values (hers) aligned, and our values would overlap. any specific jobs S…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 07:11 PM
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Struggling to find much about it. It seems like 'expert opinion' leans towards both the combined OCP and Progesterone only pills both having the same impact.(https://psychwire.com/ask/topics/13gedgk/ask-sarah-hill-about-birth-control-and-the-brain) I would expect that means that slow release progesterone also has the same effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 06:12 PM
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while other girls sit there like: how?! There are a bunch of reasons for this, but one thing to consider is that people are often attracted to archetypes and how well someone fits them. Or in other words, not nerdy enough to be the nerdy girl, not fit enough to be the fitness hottie, not warm enough to be the girl-next-door, not fun enough to be the fun fat girl, just average-in-between where people tend to just drift towards more obvious versions. This gets combined with the other key factor - …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 01:22 PM
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A commonly cited source exploring this idea is the "T-shirt" study: Abstract One substantial benefit of sexual reproduction could be that it allows animals (including humans) to react rapidly to a continuously changing environmental selection pressure such as coevolving parasites. This counteraction would be most efficient if the females were able to provide their progeny with certain allele combinations for loci which may be crucial in the parasite-host arms race, for example the MHC (major his…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 01:05 PM
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This is a pretty good quality thread! A different topic from the usual rehashes, OP active, inquiring and open minded and replying to many of the comments; it's good reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 02:45 PM
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Women SAY they want their men to be able to cry. But if he did that as often and openly as a woman, she would feel less attracted to him. It is what it is. Sadly, this has been my experience too. I'm not convinced this is necessarily all biological, but for the individual in a relationship it doesn't really matter what mix of social conditional, culture and biology it is, it just matters that it happens. That said, it is also about context, and as RP would say, holding frame at other times. You …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:19 PM
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What are these health related factors you see that cause dating problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:10 PM
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I haven't really been involved in activist feminist circles for a decade or more now, so I can't really comment on what it's like these days. Tumblr, twitter and tiktok seem like nightmares though, and perhaps they're reflective of current academic thinking as well? Suffice to say it was certainly true at some point in time in my personal experience. even feminist women largely want masculine men. Ehhh. Maybe these days? Not in the feminist circles I moved in though. That said, I think one thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 01:06 PM
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Did you mean you thought your results were boring, or that the test was boring? Insulting the test fits your agreeableness score quite well!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 12:11 PM
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It's not so much that you scored low, because the scale has two directions. Scoring low percentile in 'extraversion' means you are high-scoring for 'introversion'. Scoring low percentile for conscientiousness means you are high in the 'disorganised/spontaneous' trait, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 12:09 PM
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If we get rid of these notions our societies would be more pragmatic about how we behave and men and women can acquire their true potentials. This is the overall goal of egalitarian feminism, and the dream that egalitarians have had for centuries. It's hard to know if we're making progress in that direction, but it does feel like it overall, maybe just not in recent decades. That said, even as someone who identifies as an egalitarian (feminist), I think I am now unconvinced that culture can cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 12:05 PM
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Your entire line of argument is incoherent and you keep jumping topics. This seems to a not uncommon occurrence whenever engaging with fringe arguments. Stick with it long enough and they'll eventually just start regurgitating talking points. This might be one of the dumbest fucking gotcha questions I've seen on this sub. Yes, I started replying to OP then realised I was better off not doing so!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:53 AM
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My neuroticism is put off by the fact that you scored 93rd percentile for conscientiousness and yet you listed the traits in the reverse order that they should be! (This is a tongue in cheek comment, not an actual dig at you. Dig at myself, and the test really).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:35 AM
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Factor Description Percentile Introverted 13 Neurotic 19 Agreeable 83 Disorganized 26 Intellect/imagination 93 https://i.imgur.com/XtQwP24.png
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:21 AM
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In my part of Asia, the family unit is critical because the social safety net doesn't really exist, and there's no aged care. So you need your family - people marry younger than in the West, and divorce rates are much lower. There are also different attitudes towards sex and sexuality. That said, there's plenty of infidelity and hook-ups, it just exists as a largely unspoken culture. Domestic violence and other forms of spousal abuse are also significant problems, more so than in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 09:05 AM
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Oh, it was never meant as advice, it was more just spit balling around the topic. I thought you raised a good point that wasn't being covered, in terms of older female-younger male age gaps - it wasn't really meant to be about your specific circumstances. This advice could still benefit anyone who is reading this. Yeah, most of the time on reddit people are posting for the audience, not necessarily directly to OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 03:49 AM
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Don't forget the: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl s
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 04:23 PM
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Why would it be your dick when dick is the most abundant resource for women? If it was driven by exploitation, it will be because you have a material resource or social leverage, not because of your dick. Of all the things you have to offer, that's the least useful, unless you're Chad. Instead of "women are such stingy bitches" like they think now. I'm pretty confident that if you did population surveys, most men would not hold this view. . If women weren't so stingy, guys would get used to them…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:29 AM
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Well, I can't speak for your experience, but when I was a young man I certainly was more drawn to the crazier girls than the very plain and stable ones. Not for the party side of things, but just because they appeared more intriguing, had more vitality and more interesting tastes in culture. Following up years down the track, often literal mental illness turned out to be an issue. Association is not correlation is not causation, of course, but plain and stable only becomes attractive later on fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:22 AM
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hit some goal That's literally task achievement, and part of what men are 'allowed' to be complimented on. we look sharp I actually had this in my last comment but took it out. I think that this is an interesting case, because female friends and male friends are reasonably happy to give this specific type of compliment. I think it translates to well-groomed. A lot of women think that if they compliment a guy he'll get a big head I feel like this is in the friends context, and not in the stranger…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:13 AM
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Well, that's the thing isn't it. We can only do our best and defend those we love with the tools we have, and the margin for error is often small. I think a lot of the time pill and other theorising operates outside of human parameters, there's only so much one person can reasonably do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:07 AM
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The reason the vast majority of women don't give compliments is because most men misinterpret them as expressions of interest and an invitation to hit on her. It's also partly socialisation and the way the patriarchy mistreats men - not just the way women withhold certain compliments from men, but the way EVERYONE does this including other men. Men are expected to be tough and operate independent of praise of their person. Men should only be complimented on their possessions, prowess and task ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:00 AM
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. And showing her your potential for violent action could cause her to think it might be pointed at her next? That's certainly a factor, but I think social norms come into play, and there's quite a narrow range of contexts in which decisive physical violence comes into play. Potential mates who don't conform to tribal norms for violence are ejected from the social group, making them a poor choice. A RP type interpretation might be that Alphas dominate without having to lift a finger and only low…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:17 AM
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The 'don't stick your dick in crazy' saying exists because for a decent number of men, the lure of crazy is high.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:08 AM
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Do you mean women in relationships with men? Or women giving compliments to men they don't know? Because there's a mind boggling obvious reason why the latter is very uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:06 AM
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These are the same folks who call folks racist, ''champion'' feminism (ie fight misogyny and sexism), and lecture people about inequality and inequities These issues are systemic and societal, and the campaigns and activism against these issues are directed at the system. You can embody these principles in your life fairly and with integrity without having to make every life choice around them. You can support PoC in your workplace whilst still hiring the best person for the job regardless of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 06:01 AM
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I didn't say you were naive. I stated the conditions under which I would say it was manipulative. If you both have complementary agendas, then perfect, and I hope you both have a great time with each other. who would ever say no to affection and a special someone to be close to even if it's just for a short while. Plenty of people who feel that being involved with someone at that time could be potentially damaging for them in some way e.g. still healing/processing or currently focused on other a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 05:39 AM
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Obviously exceptions do exist, men also seek excitement and women also seek comfort but I find that generally speaking my first 2 paragraphs reflect their respective priorities, especiallyamong younger people. Might be a generational and cultural thing? None of this rings true for me, with the exception of: I think the problem with many guys, myself included is that we treat a woman how we want to be treated when in reality men and women seek different things. I think this explains a lot of beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 01:47 PM
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They don’t seem to understand that they aren’t owed a romantic partner. RP men who actually follow RP materials should understand this on a cognitive level. It's a core teaching that 'she's not yours, it's just your turn (to be with her)'. However, emotionally relinquishing the ingrained misogynistic and patriarchal belief that they are owed is a much longer process. They straw men with the image of overweight, entitled women who think they deserve a ten so that they can’t be called out on how h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:19 AM
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I'm talking in the late high school/college stage, the looks difference isn't as significant then. Most men want to be the latter, there's not much to be jealous of in a beta/sugar daddy scenario. When they 'steal the girl you love'/your oneitis it doesn't really matter what the scenario is, you're still jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:08 AM
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If you are dating her with the explicit intention of seeking a long term relationship, but she is just stringing you along because she wants some short term fun but doesn't see you as a life partner, whilst using her greater age, experience and resources to keep you on the hook, I would view that as manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 10:04 AM
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It's still true that younger men who can't compete get pissed. Certainly happened to me and my male friends when we were younger men, and back then I was much less mature and a generally all round angrier, saltier man-boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:58 AM
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Get lean, as in visible abs, there’s many weight loss transformations where guys go from round faces to angular and sharp. As someone who did exactly that, it's a lot of discipline, lifestyle change and mindset change. It often means really stepping outside not only one's comfort zone but one's usual way of identifying. For a lot of people it also involves drastic changes in where they get their pleasure from, which is a big hurdle to get over. I learned to love the iron, and thanks to IIFYM man…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:50 AM
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That's what therapy and mental health interventions are for. TRP doesn't always have the most positive outlook on those, but I'm sure if one packaged as 'deprogramming the feminisation out of men' it'd get a different reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 05:41 AM
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a little bit more in the house / Moreover, women often miss the point, that doing more house chores is often what makes them less replaceable in the eyes of their partners Once you reach certain levels of combined income, a lot of people have cleaning services, grocery services and other hired services that run the domestic side of things. However one of the domestic labour tasks that then starts to arise is event planning and hosting, which in my experience usually falls to the woman regardless…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 01:37 PM
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The podcasts, generally speaking, are a lot more balanced than the subreddit posts. In the podcasts the hosts will often offer different, and sometimes opposing takes on the topics, whereas in the sub, dissent is either down-voted or outright deleted. Also, they tend to use qualifiers and express sympathy more often. It is an interesting path they are going down now though, looking to take it full time via patreon. With dating type topics pushing too close to the subject matter often results in …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 08:34 AM
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Thank you very much for the encouragement!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 06:10 PM
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It might be interesting to add to your general information bank that vaginal dilators are thing, and used for pelvic dysfunction and vaginal disorders. https://www.intimaterose.com/collections/vaginal-dilators I think rather than 'vaginal envy', you are probably more looking for 'vulval envy' (vagina vs vulva). There has been a trend, for example towards cosmetic labiaplasty, as women try to match the vulvas they've seen in porn: https://www.healthline.com/health/labiaplasty
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 09:24 AM
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1) Realizing that I set my own standards for myself far too low 2) Trying to live up to those standards so I can date from a place of integrity, genuineness and personal potency. 3) Raising my standards for potential partners to match
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 08:34 AM
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How are you going to be the best she's ever had with no experience? Plenty of awesome things start from 'it was just okay at first' but then it turned into one of your most favourite - from food to jobs to cities to friendships to life callings. Why would you expect sex and relationships to somehow be magically different?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 05:09 AM
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First thing to do is to drop this "Aka women might begrudgingly settle for you" sort of language from one's vocabulary, because it is brutally self-sabotaging and self-defeating. Fastest way to screw over the few chances one might get to acquire some relationship experience, or an actual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/21 04:36 AM
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Romantic Interest Measure This measure consisted of two questions: (1) “How interested would you be in dating this person on a regular basis?, and (2) How much would you like to be romantically involved with this person?” Actually going on a date might require more than that (e.g., schedules lining up) but it at least requires interest. I'd argue that the actual gap between initial romantic interest level and engagement in pre-dating behaviour is subject to quite a few variables. That said, I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 05:57 AM
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Lawyer. Second to last thing I solved. and all I wanted to do with my free time was to play videogames and spend time in weird shit One thing that doesn't get explicitly discussed in level up and self improvement subs, is that if you are successful you will be judged by the set of standards that apply to your new peers, not your old peers. But it's not just women's expectations, it's everyone's. High performers are expected to behave a certain way, for better or for worse. This post is about wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 05:46 AM
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It looks like some very interesting work, and it is interesting to read about instruments like The Mate Value Inventory, which isn't something I've encountered in my fields of study and work. One thing I will note at this stage is this: However, those things won't come into play unless interest in dating a person is high enough to actually go on a first date with them. This supposes that romantic interest is the sole determinant of if someone is willing to go on a date with someone, whereas it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 07:49 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4096940/ I got quite distracted by the actual article; the thrust of which is really about marriage in the under 25 age group, and the mechanisms of the impact of religious affiliation. I am still trying to disentangle the precise difference between the proposed impact of schema and materials. One of the findings seemed to be that once you account for schema (interpreted through the lens of how often the community gathers) , Catholics actually have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:38 PM
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That seems plausible, got any data to support this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 01:04 PM
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The stats show that on average,women who get successfully married, decided to get married well before 30. In other words, women, on average, are NOT waiting to settle down until they are 30. What the stats do not provide any information about are women who want to get married but are not successful in getting married. It's possible that group of women are waiting until 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 12:20 PM
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It's interesting looking at worldwide stats on 'age of first marriage' by country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_age_at_first_marriage For the US it's: Male 29.8 yo Female 28.0 yo Age Gap 1.8 years And that's not taking into account engagement, nor initial courtship. Suffice to say that the sort of people who write about relationships and comment about them on the internet are not representative of the overall population simply because the people who currently in established…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 06:31 AM
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It probably sounds like I am super annoyed but I am more confused as to why someone would thing that it is something to be cute about. It's probably about how modern cultures socialise women to be cute and non-threatening, possible mixed in with bitchiness and passive aggressiveness, but hard to know what the mix is.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/05/21 02:43 PM
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Would you take care of a woman’s child from another man? Sure, if I was deeply in in love with the woman, and we were incredibly well suited. And if the kids were relatively normal, I guess. I have a lot of time for kids in terms of them being young people at the beginnings of their journeys, doesn't matter whose they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:39 PM
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It depends on the age though I'd absolutely concur with this, although perhaps it's more about experience as much as age. When you're quite inexperienced, you neither have the experience of how damaging a bad relationship can be, nor how fulfilling an independent and drama-free single life can be. So in the past, yes, but these days, I have too much to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:36 PM
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It is culturally based. In some parts of the world, smiling at strangers is inappropriate, and if you go round smiling at everyone, they think you're a simpleton, lacking social graces or assume you must be a foreigner. If you like old school style youtube, here's a Russian vlogger from a small town in Eastern Russia chatting about smiling in Russia vs her time studying in the US: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCHXnCRgts&ab_channel=YeahRussia Presumably then, you're in part of the world where…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 08:17 AM
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Imagine sleeping with someone because you thought he was tall, handsome, had nice hair and good body only for him to take off his wig, muscle suit, girdle, lifts etc when he went to hop into be Doesn't even need to be that extreme. If you head over to FDS at the moment there is some very equivalent venting about how deceptive beards are in the "This is why I have trust issues!! Take them to the barbers on the first date." thread. The language and tone is quite similar to anti-make up commentary …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 07:11 AM
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Her dating profile bio doesn't even mention anything about herself. If I'm an easy going guy in my 20s, she hardly matters - free meal, free booze, can hit up any one else at the wedding party if she sucks. And this is a wedding, the guy she brings has to be good enough to make her look good infront of her family and friends That's true, or he has to at least pass muster. I doubt that she can't keep a guy around though. Men(boys) at that age are easy to manipulate. More likely she just thought i…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/05/21 06:49 AM
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A far greater impact on young men's earnings will be AI, automation and robotics, combined with aging demography in Western nations. Any impact the manosphere has will be inconsequential to these.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 05:02 PM
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Yikes, that is next level not good!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 03:29 PM
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Rehabilitation is probably impossible. I do wonder about this, the prospect and methods of rehabilitation. I think the first problem is that neither 'side' is particularly interested in it. Commenters from the RP side are likely to believe that she's been so severely and repeatedly alpha widowed that there's no coming back, and even if there was, it's not really something that men should concern themselves with anyway. Commenters from the FDS side blame it entirely on the combination of LVM, nar…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/21 01:16 PM
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I actually think this is quite fun and harmless as a profile thing, given it's just for a date to her brother's wedding? Focusing on the height question does seem to miss the real problem whole thing though - she'd be better off bringing a reliable friend/orbiter to her brother's wedding than some random off Tinder who might ruin the event for more than just her, especially if she picks from the 10-outgoing, 10-alcohol and 10-dancing respondents!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/21 12:42 PM
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I prefer no ink. Discrete, meaningful tattoos don't bother me. I have seen some gorgeous tattoos, but the vast majority of tattoos aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:13 PM
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Since i think it's safe to assume most of the men here aren't seeking marriage and would prefer casual NSA sex, Honestly, I don't know about that. There seem to be a lot of men here in relationships already, blackpill / black-red pill types who are here to do their thing, and a bunch of purple types who have a spectrum of agendas. Personally I'm a LTR-focused, with exceptions only for mutually-high-passion connections. I figured I'd ask, why should she sleep with you? A playful, considerate, res…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:09 PM
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I can safely say we FDS-ers don't want anything to do with men who have to be convinced to do nice things for us. That's not a healthy relationship. We don't want men begrudgingly pleasing us. Yes, I always thought that was quite clear, and that the men who were outraged at this were missing the point. They don't have to do any of it, and in fact everyone would prefer that those men didn't! my impression is that first and foremost most FDS-ers just want a lasting connection with a caring, mascul…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:01 PM
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I took it to mean 'comprehend, be aware of the circumstances and act in accordance of that awareness'.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 08:07 AM
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That's true. I feel like the language around the topic has made meaningful discourse difficult in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 08:06 AM
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No worries, thanks for the question!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 11:22 AM
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Ideally he'd have the same non-negotiable standards as me. I feel like this is an underrated area of compatibility. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a very good predictor of long term success provided those standards were aligned with familial and financial stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:40 AM
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i was being a bit nosey and looked through your post history. Always a good idea, or at least an interesting one, depending on the person! im assuming you are very sucessful? Absolutely not during my younger days! But it drove me to do a lot of self work. Net result of that was dating success but I was only ever after a LTR, so that's what I sought out and what I got. I guess that's success? It recently ended, which is why I'm lurking dating subs until I complete my next round of self-work, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:27 AM
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I think that mentality precludes positive characteristics in a partner like generosity and considerateness, both of which are important to me. Some of them are just very angry, and I'm not into dating angry people of any sort, regardless of their thoughts on dating. I guess I would be pretty selective about which FDSers I would want to date, but I'm pretty selective as a general approach to life anyway, so it's not FDS specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:08 AM
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would you be ok with them wanting you to assume the protector/provider role? Sure, no problem. would you be ok with them wanting you to pay for everything? ( household expenses) I don't see why not, so long as we budgeted appropriately? If they have their own income stream, we can put that to other expenses and projects.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/21 10:00 AM
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Ah yes, the wordage and its things! I guess the other aspect of why oneitis is painful is because AWALT + hypergamy + monkeybranching + lure-of-Chad. But even then, it all adds up to suggest that women can love men, just not as men might hope. It's a deep devotion that last so long as the man performs and there's no monkey branch option ready? I still feel like that whole analysis is still missing a lot of things, because in the real world things often play out quite differently, especially with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 10:31 PM
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Yes, I remember reading stuff along those lines, now you mention it. But it's still the romantic/caring love that's in question here isn't it? A man wants his woman to love him unconditionally, but her love is conditional on his performance. It's just that the romantic/caring love is conditional, rather than unconditional and thus supposedly "real"? For the man, falling in love is usually described as having oneitis. I guess that implies it's romantic love, but that romantic love is of no real v…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 10:13 PM
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I know it might be hard for you to understand but some people just love each other Some parts of the red pill believe that women are incapable of loving men (and possibly vice versa, but that part usually seems to go unsaid?) It's connected to their theory of female solipsism, which supposedly makes it impossible for women to truly understand and love men. In Red Pill, solipsism (e.g. female solipsism) refers to the female's tendency to frame everything she experiences or witnesses in terms of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 09:50 PM
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I am not at all concerned about other men in competitive mode. Two things concern me about other men in the sort of bar/club situations you are talking about: 1) If I'm outnumbered and things look like they could go south. 2) Genuinely crazy motherfuckers who have no regards for male code and are just out there looking to fuck someone up. These are the types who are just as happy hitting/stabbing you from behind without warning, and it doesn't matter if you're trained or if you're armed, because…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 05:15 PM
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Ah well that's a bit different then. FDS scenarios tend to be for people in the career phase of their life. The hardline FDS advice is that college age women shouldn't be dating, but instead they should be levelling up. The slightly looser FDS advice for college age women is that they should be extremely careful about how much emotional investment they give to relationships at that age. When it comes down to it though, you can still demonstrate High Value by putting in resources in other ways, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 04:46 PM
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I mean, it's not that much effort if it's what you normally do. Chat on OLD for a bit, invite them out for a dinner date in three days or so, have a phone call, go out for dinner? Just be your usual self-assured charming self and don't throw any obvious red flags?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 04:10 PM
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One thing I think gets lost in the discussion at PPD is that FDS is radical feminist, and many of them actively hate liberal feminism and liberal feminists. So on one hand, you have the liberal feminists who think equality is fantastic. 50-50, low pressure dates, sexual liberation, pro-ethical porn, supporters of male gender role diversity. On the other hand you have this new breed of radical feminist - some are actively gender separatist/WGOTW, and others want what looks like traditional courti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:53 PM
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I feel like this reply might have fit better on a different comment chain? This one was about 'why not drinks dates' rather than 'why dinner dates'. But on the topic of dinner dates, I guess it just comes down to another shit test type filter except there's no way of AAing your way out of it - the easiest thing to do not bother with the woman in question. It works as a selection filter because some men are playing a different risk game than others. For you it sounds like you think the game is po…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 03:33 PM
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Well, I'm a guy and I like coffee, people watching and cafe environments, so I'd be up for it. I would have some ideas about possible ways extend the date afterwards if the coffee went well. Grocery shopping would be an unusual one, but why not segue it into cooking a meal together? I know you meant it as a joke, but I could definitely have a lot of fun with a similarly inclined woman. Tons and tons of stuff to talk about and learn about each other in a supermarket!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:40 PM
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I think based on the style of your response and general attitude, working out how to identify FDSers would be pretty pointless for you. Better just to do your thing and you'll find someone who's up for it, or maybe you won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:27 PM
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That's a fair call. I'd say every now and then both have some pretty good posts, but most of the time it's all pretty humdrum. Main difference I see is that TRP allows much more dissent, whereas FDS will just kick out women who don't agree. Female social matrix in action, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:24 PM
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To live life in fear of others over such lack of trust in oneself is just sad to me. You seem to have quite polarised thinking. You can acknowledge that there's risk involved without 'living in fear of others'. It is a sign that you do not believe women are incapable of handling responsibility. Did you mean this double negative? It doesn't match up with your first sentence. That is a pretty tell tale sign that you hate men, you see them as the enemy. Well originally I had a different analogy, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:23 PM
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Or any other low pressure date. That's the thing, they don't want low-pressure dates, because low value men flock to those and refuse to invest in potential matches. If you want a quality man, you shouldn't get those who put a tremendous amount of effort into women they haven't met yet. I get the feeling FDS was originally crafted for real-world meets. So you encounter some one, exchange details and then set up a date. Some FDSers use online dating, but it's not strongly promoted. So in that con…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:14 PM
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Have you found anything you agree with, or that they've swayed your views on?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:06 PM
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Not at all, many women are up for coffee dates, walk dates and casual first dates. Indeed, liberal feminism fought quite hard to create an environment where low-pressure dates were acceptable. Many women are also quite tolerant of men making choices they don't like, but go along with it to see if things get better. FDSers are very oriented towards keeping their standards for male behaviour strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:05 PM
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How is that any different then racists assuming that all black men are vile monsters until they prove otherwise? It's a situational risk. Dating is a potential at-risk scenario for women, even though it's meant to be fun. A better analogy would be encountering another soldier on the battlefield at night - you don't know if they're friend or foe until an identification has been made. The real question is how in earth is it okay to assume a large number of people are a treat by default when the nu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:03 PM
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If you don't meet the HighValueMen behaviour standards, you will get blocked-and-deleted. FDS, like TRP, operate by Fight Club rules, in a way. First rule of Fight Club - you don't talk about Fight Club. First rule of FDS standards and procedures - you don't talk about them with LowValueMen, you just block and delete. To find out about what comprises HVM behaviour, look at the handbook, not the subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/wiki/recommended_reading Basically, most of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 11:50 AM
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You meant that sarcastically, but I'd hazard many FDSers would agree with you with a little bit of an adjustment on the language.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 11:42 AM
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What the hell is the problem with getting drinks? The rationale is that it is a bad idea to have any significant amount of alcohol on board for initial dates. Firstly, you're meeting up with a strange man, and so you are potentially putting yourself at risk by drinking. Secondly, you're meeting up with someone to vet them for further dates and compatibility. You should have your mind as sharp as possible. Thirdly, some people get disproportionality uppity when other people won't drink. This is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 11:40 AM
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I feel like that's a fair comment about FDS the sub. At times it drifts back to level-up orientation, but these days is getting overrun with non-dating stuff and becoming more of a radfem women's issues forum. The philosophy itself though is definitely encouraging self-improvement. In fact, living a well actualized life is now the key focus for some FDSers, who are essentially WGTOW at this point. I think the difference is actually just mostly a male perception issue - in RP terms it comes from …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 08:35 PM
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99% is consensual I mean, it's hard to know. Porn advocates will point to those legal contracts and limits. Anti-porn advocates will point to the stories of porn actors and actresses who discuss what happened on set and how it deviated from the contracts, but nobody is in a position to protest because it would be the death of their career. fake Whether or not it is fake or not, the psychological impact it has on people (men and women) who model their sexual behaviours on the fake action will mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:43 PM
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Id be understanding of this if most women werent actively having one night stands. Those women tend to be a different demographic. FDS is generally anti-ONS. People dont usually do this? Don't do what? Go on public dates? Go on dates at people's houses? We know that the opposite is true though, guys with a criminal record get laid more than average guys. Having a criminal record would generally be considered Low Value by FDS. In RP terms: they are self-aware when it comes to bad-boy hamstering a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:30 PM
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That is one way to look at it, but I don't think it's fair to assess the absence or presence of consistent logic through the traditionalist vs non-traditionalist lens, as FDS never claims to use that as a basis. On the other hand the fact that the strategy is entirely self-serving is a valid criticism, as FDSers themselve would say that this is the entire point, it's meant to be a strategy for the benefit of women. For the man, the woman is the prize, but as an addition to his already fulfilling…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:22 PM
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Yeah, it is a minefield out there. As a pretty vanilla guy, trying to deal with my ex's desire for rape roleplay was a bit... challenging. Suffice to say that relationship didn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:18 PM
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Porn watching behaviour hasn't existed for long enough to exert any genetic selective pressure though?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 05:15 PM
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FDS doesn't ascribe to the holistic view of female orgasm in practice (in terms of what gets posted and the comments within), although they do support it in theory. Holistic doesn't mean spiritual, at least not from a conventional medical viewpoint. It just refers to arousal patterns, psychological needs and variable sexual response in different erogenous zones for different women. why vibrators work? The sexual response is different in different women. One of the key things that many women repo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 05:09 PM
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I mean, you could be directly quoting from Richard Dawkin's the Selfish Gene there, but I'm not quite sure how it ties into the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 05:00 PM
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Yeah, I think it's incredibly insidious in that way - there are definitely neurochemical feedback loops that reinforce porn consumption, and addiction is a real thing. I think that is one area where FDS has changed my opinions a little. I'm a bit older and didn't grow up with easy access to streaming porn on the internet, so it slipped under my radar just how normalized it has become, and how kids are growing up with it. I think it's incredibly difficult for young boys and girls to comprehend th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:50 PM
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Two ways. 1) The trauma is being inflicted on porn actresses, and they are anti-trauma being inflicted on any women, including pickmeishas and sex workers. 2) Because young men watch porn and get their sexual desires attuned to the way porn depicts sex, with its more violent tendencies like choking and non-consensual kink, young men are more likely to inflict sexual trauma on women. It's not about porn watching being traumatic, necessarily, although abuse survivors may find it triggering.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:38 PM
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I mean, I think like everything it's probably multifactorial. One of the big reasons FDS is antiporn is because of their bizarrely biologically ignorant belief that all male sexual dysfunction is directly because of porn, and that all female PIV orgasm difficulty is purely because of male technique inadequacy, despite decades of efforts by earlier generations of feminists to bring the mainstream to the point of view that female sexuality should be viewed through a more holistic lens and that dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:23 PM
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he might also be concerned about his privacy if you’re filming his license plate and house and sharing it I think this is something that often goes missing in the discussion, that men need to pay attention to their safety and vet potential partners thoroughly too. No reason for a man to expose his privacy during initial meetings either, the public space with individual transport both ways for both parties protects everyone involved (or at least it did pre-COVID).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:18 PM
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Yea that's totally why... Meanwhile she's probably sleeping with an other guys before you are exclusive lmaoo It's interesting to read the FDS take on this. The general consensus is that it's safer to stay abstinent and take care of your own sexual needs seeing as the vast majority of men don't provide satisfying sexual experiences for women (in the FDS narrative). However, yes, they do suggest that if you do need a toy boy, then you should keep a bunch on rotation. Personally I think that is an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 04:01 PM
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what would understanding said trauma look like? Interestingly, I think that FDS offers some commentary on this, and it might be reasonable to say FDS's standards on men tend to be fairly stringent by many standards, even though they are arguably the bare minimum. Some examples of this understanding in action that I can recall off the top of my head would be: Understanding women want to delay sex when dating a new partner because of trauma related risks Understanding women's safety concerns for d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 03:25 PM
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What other frames of reference are you talking about? A good example would be how one of the abstracts that been linked here defines TRP as 'anti-feminist' and a construct of 'male grievance'. Whilst those labels are not necessarily untrue, it positions TRP as a reactionary construct. There's also a heavy focus on the participants. A properly objective frame would be to assess the truth value of TRP propositions. To extend the alpha widow example, a framing could be 'changes in female dating sat…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 02:58 PM
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I feel like doing research into TRP topics will necessarily be through an inherently anti-TRP perspective, otherwise one runs the risk of losing all credibility in one's field. Even things that are tacitly pro-TRP, e.g. examining the 'alpha widow' phenomenon would be enough to potentially end a career. Most people who haven't actually explored the material don't actually know TRP theory, and many of those who do tend to find the raging misogyny that often comes through the anger phase, and the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 01:14 PM
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This is well expressed, but I think it's also important to note that there's another dimension, which is how both people relate to the topic that's being discussed. It's a not uncommon experience for people to love listening to their partners talk about something that they have no real interest in, they just love the way their partner talks about it. Actually, it's not even limited to romantic partners. As an example, there's a YT tech channel that has unboxings of a variety of different tech th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 05:09 PM
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Sure, why not? I think if people have an area of their life they wish to improve on, or feel like they need explanation for, then by all means. I tend not to have much sympathy for people who seek neither understanding nor improvement though, because there's only so much sympathy to go round and I'd rather spend it on the former group.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 06:37 PM
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There are plenty to be found in various subreddits that are relatively non-hostile to women/girls. The complaint seems entirely unremarkable to me, which is also why I can't link you any femcel examples any more than I could link you any incel post examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 06:33 PM
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Yea, that part can be tricky. That isn't to say more progressive individuals who fit the profile don't exist, but the behaviors OP has discussed are more common in social conservatives and especially religious individuals, for a variety of reasons. I think that as western societies have become more secular, I feel like a lot of people have still stayed relatively socially behaviourally conservative even if they have no religious dogma instructing them to do so. I think some of it is because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 07:12 AM
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I find it very hard to find men my age who seek relationships and are not promiscuous. Well, they are certainly out there. You do need to be moving in the right social circles (usually more socially conservative + politically moderate ones), because they're not usually out there looking for partners at your age. They are also definitely not adherents of TRP. In general, TRP doesn't know much about these men or the women they date and marry, because neither of them are the focus of TRP - they tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 05:59 AM
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I don't really ascribe to any 'pill' per se, believing that there are valid points and interpretations across the spectrum, including TRP and FDS, and that each of these philosophies also has their innate problems and many of them have some extremely unpleasant behaviours from some of their advocates. I mention that as a reply to your first comment (and I've seen you asking about your situation across a number of subs which is an approach I would also take). That out of the way: 1) Yes I would i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 07:03 AM
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For me it's always been about loyalty and priorities, not activity preference. When you have a booty call hitting you up on the day your friends ask you to a night out, which do you choose? It's not about that, at least as far as I understand it. You do what you want. But if your mates need you in a non-trivial way, then you put that ahead of your own casual wants. It doesn't apply to committed relationships, because your partner is neither 'hoe' nor 'dick', they're your partner and you have a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 06:50 AM
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I prefer a steady build of tension and chemistry out of mutual attraction. Both simping and playing hard to get can accidentally generate that, but neither are as ideal as someone who is caught up in the same chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 06:57 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5USAHtfqa1k&ab_channel=johnshaw I don't really understand the appeal, but then again I never did really get reality TV.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 05:32 PM
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Gemma Collins has some rather bizarre relationship requirements. The Celebrity Big Brother star, who has caused outrage in the house recently , ranted about what she wants in a man. And it's all very materialistic. During a heated speech, in which John Partridge looked utterly bored, the TOWIE star said: "If you can't buy me a cup of tea and put 70 quid petrol in my car once a month, get out of my life." https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/celebrity-big-brothers-gemma-collins-7244170
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 05:22 PM
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I have always thought of these as things that need to be learned, and tried to learn them, but I've noticed recently that when I'm in a position where I know what I'm talking about/not worried about my social status these traits also come out naturally. This may be happening because you have a 'processing overlay' when a lot of your brain power (cognitive load) is dedicated to constantly trying to read the situation as your social status is unknown. Is it better to spend one's time learning to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 08:13 AM
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The topic is why do men want virgins, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:17 PM
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So how does that explain wanting a virgin then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:12 PM
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So you're saying the only way a man can be certain a child is his is if he impregnates a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:05 PM
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So you're saying paternity testing is not reliable enough to be trusted?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 04:50 PM
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This was your original argument: because men don't have the luxury of being certain a child is actually their own. and you seem to agree it's mainly France and Germany that have restrictions? Even if it was worse in the past, how does the argument hold water when the restrictions have been lifted in most places?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 04:44 PM
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I mean USA In the United States, paternity testing is fully legal, and fathers may test their children without the consent or knowledge of the mother. Paternity testing take-home kits are readily available for purchase, though their results are not admissible in court and are for personal knowledge only. UK Legally declared fathers have access to paternity-testing services under the new regulations, provided the putative parental DNA being tested is their own. Tests are sometimes ordered by cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 04:38 PM
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Many countries in the West have banned paternity tests because of how prevalent it is for women to cheat and men unknowingly end up raising a kid that isn't there's. Where is this the case? I read this wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#Legal_issues and found a few places with some restrictions, but it doesn't seem widespread enough to have a major cultural impact?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 04:27 PM
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The reason men go for virgins ...is because of regressive, nasty and deeply rooted cultural beliefs about purity and about male ownership of women. Some other reasons also, but that's the reason that virgins are fetishised. Several cultures in the world still not only promote these beliefs but enforce them with pre-marriage virginity checks. Non-virgins are viewed as 'spoiled goods'. You see a similar attitude in the west with 'low n-count women'. Once you really dig down into it, below the comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 03:22 PM
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Maybe this is a cultural thing? Are you in the US? I played a lot of different team sports in school and college, but never felt there were alpha/betas that carried through off the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 07:45 AM
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Historically, every group that has faced discrimination have only seen change/improvements by actively doing the work themselves by protesting, organizing large scale, events, etc. But it’s not common for men to do this, and if they do happen, it’s not like men usually present themselves in huge numbers. So why aren’t more men focusing on that? It isn't time yet, and the oppression isn't great enough, and the opposition doesn't have a face to protest against yet. In addition to that, most of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 07:34 PM
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That sounds about right - although maybe not an outright rich dude, just someone who is more financially stable and wealthier than her. Not every older man wants to deal with 20-something's brand of drama.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 06:01 PM
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Its like they come out of a factory. Every profile, exact same phrases, exact same words and speech If you browse around OLD, it really is a distinct phenomenon. Not only the WAATGM-profile, but there are also other sort of profile clusters which all seem remarkably cookie cutter. It is possible they're bots, but I also think there's some sort of emergent clustering behaviour that happens. With only so many words to express oneself, and many people without the verbal intelligence or social/self-…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 03:36 PM
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But, what kind of guys are flooding her inbox? That really is a fascinating question. I can imagine: men looking for a baby that will be mentally/emotionally their own, even if not biologically pregnancy fetishists next level (down) beta bux who think that the odds of other people hitting her up that they're in with a chance people who swipe without looking people with a limited conception of new babies/motherhood who think she'll be a good catch from a looks point of view once the baby's out? b…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:31 PM
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Well, the first goal of FDS is avoid dating LVM. It's pretty good at that. It's less effective at bagging HVM, but reading the sub these days it's increasingly FDS-GTOW, rather than FDS-getta-HVM. Whole lot of AMALT, scrote-hate, pickme-pity and a sprinkle of radfem. First goal of TRP is to lift the magician's curtain and understand the sexual marketplace, which it is extremely effective at. I feel like the next goal after that seems to wander around a bit. Is it to spin plates? Is it to de-beta…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/04/21 02:24 PM
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Personally, I think men and women can really just be friends based on my (male) experiences with female friends. Part of this is that they're good people, but various aspects of their personality are completely unattractive to me. That said, this discussion always devolves into anecdotes and a few scientific studies being thrown around, and people throw around theories to support their experiences. The more interesting, and perhaps more resolvable question is ... why do people have these differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 09:27 AM
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When you can realistically only live 30 years tops you pretty much dont give a fuck. You live for today, and whatever it is you want to do today This perception that a 30 year life expectancy meant everyone died at 30 is a bit of a long standing myth. Remember that 30 year life expectancy represents an average, and it's one that is heavily distorted by infant mortality. Here's a good read: https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/when-did-humans-start-to-get-old
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 06:30 AM
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Well said, and it's not even the top 1% of society that people now compare themselves against, but a distorted, filtered and carefully crafted version of an even smaller fraction of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 06:26 AM
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I think thats part of it but the other part is that society keeps people spiritually atrophied so there is no inner strength and direction unless people take the time to seek it themselves. An excellent and often overlooked point! Interestingly the PGTOW and FDS/Pillers seem to be looping back to focusing on self-development and internal mission, almost an emergent systems defence from the pull of the void in this area and push of the damage of the sexual market place and its sociocultural exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 06:24 AM
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All of men's needs On the internet, both men and women in dating and relationship subs seem to simply ignore the stage on which the play takes place. Long term, romantic partnership is one of the fundamental narratives across the vast majority of cultures, and deeply interwoven into our psyches. It is biologically programmed into us, not just from the perspective of the mating drive, but also from the whole host of neurohormonal and self-reinforcing psychological drives. It is intrinsically enme…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 05:23 AM
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Women are also running this 'race', not waiting at some random 'end point' for a man. This is true, but it underscores the fact that the 'waiting at the finish line' is a metaphor meant to illustrate, in loose form, a common lived experience. As with all these things, 'how common' is really a function of one's circle of experience and social milieu. What even is the finish line? This isn't really what the underlying phenomenon is about, it's an expression of what the experience is like from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/21 04:55 AM
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They're great believers that you can make worthwhile improvements on your attractiveness through a mixture of style, cosmetics, self care and/or plastic surgery (hardmaxxing)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 01:22 PM
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Here's a list of things I can think oft that can't be changed Get thee to /r/theglowup and /r/looksmaxxing !
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 09:51 AM
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So PPD, what are your thoughts on this? There's a confusing conflation between "I experienced what I thought was a pump and dump" and "I pumped and dumped someone". In the latter, the motivations are clear - the connection was initiated and developed with the sole intention of getting a notch on the belt. However when someone else is reporting the experience of what they thought was being pumped and dumped, there are a much wider range of possibilities. Avoid attachment style is certainly one of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 06:15 AM
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Genuinely believe if William Shakespere never wrote Romeo and Juliet the world will be a kinder place filled with more love than hate I'd go so far as to say that the text of Romeo and Juliet itself has an almost negligible impact on society other than the names being associated with romance in general. Not only do most people not study the play, the vast majority of those who study the play come away with a pretty limited understanding, and most students tend to feel the whole thing was pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 06:04 AM
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I'm not saying they're reasonable or not, I'm just saying the level up stuff is not in the main sub.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 11:07 AM
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You're looking in the wrong place. FDS has separate subs for levelling up and a separate sub for direct advice. There is also the off-reddit site, and the private locked sub. Also, that's not what a pickme is, a pickme is the female version of a simp.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 10:53 AM
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FDS has as much to do with actually dating as this sub does, it's mostly memes, social issues and vents.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 10:09 AM
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FDS and TRP are the better match, actually. Both reject BP views of relationships, and view the other gender as largely being 'faulty' and that successful LTRs are so unlikely it's better to find other options. Both also place heavy emphasis on personal self development as the key. BP just sort of shambles about hoping for the best and trying to be optimistic.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 06:15 AM
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This one reason why the sub has a large drift towards gender separatism/WGTOW - quite a few have realised that not only are there not enough of these type of HVM to go around, they are also unlikely to personally encounter/attract one because the sub has no real information about how to do so beyond levelling up. Alas, levelling up isn't the same as developing proper girl game.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 06:09 AM
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Submissions must show a woman who is looking for commitment while also either complaining about jerks or promiscuity, needing her kids provided for, being entitled or unreasonable, or complaining that she "can't find a decent guy" How is this relevant to the sub? She was out for a bike ride and wanted to spend time by herself. There's no dating intention here, just a pretty boring ass mundane story about a guy who wasn't great at social distancing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/04/21 06:03 AM
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At this point, they aren’t still trying to get the vote, college representation, or even wage gap lies. This is (mostly) correct. Feminism has moved through different frontiers to confront different areas of inequity. This is often divided up into waves. The fourth (current) wave of feminism is more focused on areas such media representation, sexual violence/harassment (labelled as 'justice') and issues of women of colour. Intersectionality plays a larger part than previous waves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 05:19 AM
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Yeah I know this is a profoundly weird thing to do I'd say that too if I was going to post this, but honestly it is not that weird to do at all for the scientifically minded. These walking videos look like they could provide a vast trove of data to be processed for certain areas of study. That said, testing for looks matching when everyone is wearing masks is a futile exercise, would be better to do it pre-pandemic. Also, it is difficult to determine if the paired people are romantic partners, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:37 AM
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The PUA materials in TRP are more than enough, it's just a matter of shifting your focus from being able to screw everything with a XX chromosome to being able to work the specific markets in your region.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:29 AM
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Decide what you want, decide what your strengths are/can be, pick a suitable strategy, focus on targets susceptible to that strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:24 AM
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He seems to have done a few studies. The term he uses 'back burner'. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=CEK0COcAAAAJ&hl=en
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:20 AM
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That's a bad approach. If you need to hit up every single thing that breathes, you are being driven by your ego's needs and have lost touch with your deeper masculine drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 04:08 AM
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There's a lot of teasing, but I wouldn't say that people there hate single mothers. I'd say there's definitely a spectrum of people who post/comment there, and their generalised feelings towards the subjects that get posted. Some people are quite specific about what meets the sub's criteria and they tend to also be quite particular in what aspects they are commenting on and why. Some people just use it as an excuse to unload misogyny and hatred. Most people seem to be somewhere in the middle. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 01:37 PM
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Sure, if you find it useful? I was just saying it doesn't appear to have any real scientific basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 11:19 AM
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Well, it's not really a word with an agreed upon definition. I guess I was using it to mean slouched posture, lying around all the time, having no energy or will to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:55 AM
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Permablobbing is not very attractive. Most people blob out on their down days though!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 07:09 AM
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feminist call all men rapists, Some feminists do. Some feminists are clearly deeply misandrists. Most feminists have some anger about issues that matter to them. Not many feminists think that all men are rapists. Some academic feminists have taken the definition of rape (sexual activity without consent), integrated it with a particular definition of consent (enthusiastic participation) and applied this framework to look at a variety of things (prostitution is rape because it is a sexual activity…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 05:48 AM
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Radical feminism believes in gender essentialism to a degree, especially the gender separatists of WGOTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:52 AM
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Would not date does not equal hate. Yes, but sometimes 'would not date' spills over into nastiness and vitriol that funnels anger and built up frustrations, into prejudice and then to the point where it looks a bit like hate. WhereAreAllTheGoodMen has some examples of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:50 AM
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What are things men find attractive? Doing her archetype well but having other things going on for her too. Here's one example of 'doing her archetype' well: I want a girl with a mind like a diamond I want a girl who knows what's best I want a girl with shoes that cut And eyes that burn like cigarettes I want a girl with the right allocations Who's fast, thorough, and sharp as a tack She's playing with her jewelry She's putting up her hair She's touring the facilities And picking up slack I want…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:44 AM
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aren't willing to pick up the spider slack?? https://i.imgur.com/xwd2mFb.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 04:33 AM
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It's not though. Well, as a man, it is not my place to disagree with your lived experience of the patriarchy. I will say that many feminists suggest the impacts are inescapable thanks to the pervasiveness of the media and microaggressions, but that is also contentious. I do think if you personally do not feel disrespected or devalued, then more power to you. Most women who are married face the same struggles I face as a single woman. I think this is the sort of thing where it can be hard to know…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:35 AM
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Peaks are inherently personal to the individual when it comes down to what you and the people actually experience in reality, compared to pointless internet hypotheticals. Head over to /r/progresspics to see some very dramatic examples of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 11:13 AM
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I feel like you have been around some pretty unpleasant people (or been listening/reading about unpleasant people). Most of your base assumptions don't match with the experiences of myself and the people I know. they are perfectly happy for their male/male friendships to be built around this communication style. For some men this is the case, but in all of my friendships we just treat each other like normal people for the most part. There's no bro-ing it up, no overplayed masculinity, no 'be a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 10:52 AM
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Cybermom is a pretty interesting idea! I think we're probably not that far off it actually. We have the tech right now to implement something like this, just not the societal shift. Although maybe stuff like this already exists and I'm just not aware of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:22 AM
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Guess Jaws was ahead of his time then!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 05:45 PM
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Thanks for clarifying, the fact that she was both daughter of, and mother to, kings of various capitalisation was giving off incestuous ourobos vibes.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 05:29 PM
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Huh, the more you know. Speaking of which, do I want to know what Grills are?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 05:27 PM
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Which app is this?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 05:22 PM
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Not most people's cup of tea (given the warning about the possible mastectomy scar), but doesn't really seem particularly over the top? There's even more about her than what she wants, and even then the latter is just the usual non-specific dating babble "loves to laugh" , "confident" etc. I guess 'feminist' might seem like a bit much but apparently plenty of men fake-feminst these days anyway.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/04/21 05:20 PM
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Extractionist, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 02:39 PM
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Even better, it's from a bona fide cuddle expert!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/21 05:29 AM
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I think some of them are also just genetically advantaged because of self-selection - if you don't have the genes, you never get the natty physique to become a guru in the first place. So the shredded natty trainers necessarily have genetic advantages. That said, it never really bothered me that much, I just trained as hard/smart as I could with what I had, and appreciated the difference it made for me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 07:15 AM
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I mean it's possible I'm a shitty person. The main part of TRP that speaks to me is the fundamental RP idea that the narratives I grew up with about dating and romance are misleading. It also provides some counter-narratives that offers explanation of the behaviours of some women that I've met that I had some problems understanding previously because I was deep in the thrall of the 'Women are wonderful' complex. I also think that some of TRP teachings are vital for steering some young men away f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 10:06 AM
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It's definitely under-represented that men vet their potential partners for safety. "Don't stick your dick in crazy" isn't just relationship advice, there are plenty of ways casual hookups can go very badly wrong in terms of safety, and the more a man has to lose in the rest of his life, the more he will be subject to a much wider range of factors than whether or not she's attractive or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 09:53 AM
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If you think the Red Pill doesn’t apply to you as a woman, chances are you are not that physically attractive I don't really think that's where it at. TRP theories about women are meant to be generalisations. You know the saying: NAWALT but AWALT. They're tendencies and leanings, and even for an individual woman, she will experience these tendencies at different strengths during her lifetime. TRP also fails to address many of the narratives that women grow up with, ones which can distort or resh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 09:46 AM
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They're the ones that a lot of PUAs target.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/21 05:12 AM
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I want to know the honest truth about how men feel about their relationship. A great relationship is a wonderful, energising, meaningful and life-affirming experience. However it is still has its fair share of boring days, bad days, down days, various incompatibilities and conflicts. It takes time to work out how to integrate your life well with someone else's, and the combination of your respective family backgrounds (i.e. do you have a good model to copy) and individual lives/personalities pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 06:13 AM
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What gives a young man more clout, sleeping with a bunch of women or having an attractive gf? I think for many social circles, the most social standing would come from demonstrating a balance of those two things. If he's too much of a revolving door, guys will be envious but his social standing will start to fall because his trust value will fall - is implicitly too unstable in one area of his life, possibly antisocial predation, may target girls of other guys in the group, too far from social n…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:34 AM
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Yes, although I feel like how true that is for you personally becomes clear once you reach proper levels of personal success. 9s and 10s often just aren't a good match for a wide range of successful lifestyles, but they do fit some people's.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/21 05:28 AM
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This may become an adequate substitute for human-to-human intimacy that people prioritize in relationships. You're close, but take it a step further. Your AI-spouse should eventually be a better emotional partner than a human, perfectly matched to your individual psychology, and beyond human in its ability to manipulate your emotions to maximise your bonding to it. Mainstream science fiction has usually lacked ambition here, envisioning imperfect replicas of human psyches. There's no reason that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:36 PM
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There is a conspiracy theory that gender separatists from the Manosphere are covertly instigating women into hating men - or at least into getting women to spew vitriol against men - in order to facilitate their own agenda of alienating both genders away from each other. That seems plausible enough. If it was a false conspiracy at some stage, I'm sure some M(notreally)GTOW would think it's a great idea, start doing it and turn it into a true conspiracy theory. It's low effort (just need an alt),…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 02:53 PM
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echo-chamber communities or products that people want to sell That doesn't disqualify them from having some objective truths, even if they need to be heavily qualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/21 07:21 AM
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They might have theoretical options, but what they don't have is the time to pursue them. Especially in their thirties, when you have to basically sacrifice your life to your career.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:09 PM
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No, I think it depends both on one's appearance and soft skills. They can be improved, but there's a ceiling for all of us. Not all people can be racers or ballet dancers neither. I think this is the dirty secret of the PUA industry, that the ceiling is much lower than they would have you believe. Not so much the hard ceiling, but as others have pointed out it takes a lot of pain to develop the skills. And you need to get the whole package of internal psychology + knowing how to react in wide ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:08 PM
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High-Value men in his definition are men who make at least 6 figures and have been making so for 5 years. Generally, they’re going to be 35+ years old. I get that. I don’t disagree. These men want young, beautiful wives. Nothing less. Not older. I don't think I do agree, actually (not disagreeing with you, so much as Kevin Samuels). As you start to build wealth, you have increasingly more to lose. Six figures isn't really that much, in the capital cities of the West. The lawyers, doctors and fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 06:00 PM
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That sort of pussy trap is also much more worth the possible scars!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 12:41 PM
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only 1% or less of women meet my minimal looks requirement I will admit my personality doesn’t mix well with people as I have no friends throughout school, work, and even social media. You, and others, are unlikely to agree with this at first glance, but your ability to relate and connect with other people will substantially influence who you find attractive and unattractive. This is to say, the more experiences you have with people that are positive, the more open you become to being attracted …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 12:36 PM
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A pussy trap?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 12:28 PM
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Wasn't this sort of carousel instead was it? https://i.imgur.com/CD75Fuk.jpg Also, I'm impressed that your cat is doing a PhD. I've known several who are very talented at catculations, but none who've taken it to doctorate level!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 11:31 AM
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What exactly is the 'video game' in this analogy? If it's "attract a partner" then porn isn't a cheat code, it's not even bothering to play the game, because you don't end up with a partner. If it's 'have an orgasm', then I guess porn isn't so much a cheat code, as just as a speed running a single chapter vs min/maxing the entire game for 'having a partner --> orgasm'. As for escorts, if the game is "attract a partner", then escorts are a free demo level that deletes itself after you've finished…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 09:41 AM
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TRP's AF/BB model is mainly for describing the behaviour of women who have hurt them. This means it doesn't really account for women who find stable relationships earlier in their life. This is a theoretical blindspot, but for practical purposes of TRP it doesn't matter so much. This is because the men who enter stable, successful relationships earlier in life have no reason to be involved with TRP and will reject it when they see it. Short version: TRP is about life's love losers, be they male …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:36 AM
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The loudest RedPill guys shout about getting their dicks wet and hating on women who have more than 3 sexual partners. These are generally the people who are still in the early stages of the red pill. Edit: trying to get more and longer consistent sleep, thank you. Can't go wrong with getting another black cat!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 07:18 AM
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Sure it staaaarts as a joke. But then one day you wake up and you're creating invisible mazes for your cats... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZVQVUO4PU&ab_channel=Kittisaurus Also, my original comment on this was meant to be a bit tongue in cheek rather than a serious commentary on this topic lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:57 PM
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accuses you of not actually having the life experience you says do. Not a matter of life experience, that's not something verifiable. But any time someone claims professional background or expertise, especially in an area with overlaps in my own training, I'm keen to see them display appropriate levels of knowledge, sophistication and understanding, and be able to demonstrate their ability to bring these concepts to a lay audience. We’re done here. Thanks for responding. Sure, see you in another…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:41 PM
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Yes, I have wondered about that from time to time, whether or not there's some aspect of 'reclaiming'. The main thing that I find confuses that discussion is that when you claim 'cat lady' it means you get cats, which is an entirely amazing outcome all in of itself. So perhaps it's part reclamation, part just an excuse to get cats or more cats? Like, fine. Then I'm a cat lady. Now what? Am I supposed to feel a certain way? Yes, exactly, the way one feels is amazingly happy, because you now have …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:30 PM
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Sure, having cats isn't being a cat lady, but I'm talking about women who identify as being cat ladies, even though they might not meet the usual stereotype. The trope has been hijacked. I guess it does come down to the 'ownership' of the term. Are you a cat lady because you're currently 30+, single, own three cats, a whole stack of cat related fashion and call yourself a crazy cat lady because you couldn't find a partner to marry? Or are you only a crazy cat lady when 'society' determines you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:27 PM
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I feel like you are not really responding to the substance of what I wrote, but I guess that's the internet. Anyway, on to what you said: Let’s not confuse shaming with restrictions Absolutely nowhere did I do this, but it's a good parameter for the discussion regardless. heaping negativity on them will make them make the right choice. Doesn’t play out that way and never has. This is a bit disingenuous if you really do have a PH background. PSA campaigns use adverse social pressure, implied and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:24 PM
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I could write you a thesis on the decades and decades of public health evidence proving that shaming people does not change behaviors. What does work is incentivizing the change you want to see. Yes, this is definitely well-established in the literature from a public healthy perspective for achieving public health outcomes, and I'm personally quite against shaming from an ethical viewpoint. That said, as it's a debate sub and you posted a CMV, it seems worth taking a second look at it. We know t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 01:04 PM
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I think you are quite correct in addressing these stereotypes, but as this is CMV, my CYV is that these days being a self-identified 'cat-lady' is quite popular amongst women of all types, including the party girls. For some women it's just a way of identifying with, then engaging in a lifestyle aspect that is about affirming that they have found dating to be a frustrating and disappointing experience. They're all cat ladies until they find someone, then they become girlfriends with cats. And I …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 12:51 PM
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When I was younger, I would have had an opinion on this. These days I am more just interested in people's story, and what matters to them. I would never call someone's relationships/intimacy journey pathetic, unless we are talking about the quality of having pathos.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 11:22 AM
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Sorry, I wasn't particularly clear. Just averaging out my friendship circles and how well I knew them, I'd say about 50% male and 50% female. The sexual discernment in their midteens was a byproduct of people being intensely focused on studies and future careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:52 AM
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About 50-50, but all high performing/upper-middle class+ professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:21 AM
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Yes, far too much 'tell' and absolutely no 'show'. Indeed, cliché overload is a clear sign she's not at the level she thinks she's reached.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/04/21 08:16 AM
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I'm not sure if they need to repeatedly enter into casual sex with highly attractive guys to become discerning just as men don't have to have loads of casual sex to become discerning. It's possible to see red and green flags without fucking. I agree with you on this point. TRP dogma on this is misleading, but I think it still serves as a counterpoint to the tendency of people without experience to become internet expert, and for people to try and take shortcuts. In real life, most of the people …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:11 AM
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While true the messages given to girls is less damaging outwardly. But at this point ever but of that is midagated by feminism saying it doesn't matter or else. I disagree that it's less damaging. Have a look at whereareallthegoodmen , and all the single mothers with three or more kids, looking for romantic matches. Where do you think they got these expectations that they would find happiness through the choices they made? I'm not saying that they are devoid of agency, or that they are blameless…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 08:07 AM
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The enlightenment comes from the lived experience, not effort. Women don't need to develop any skills to become sexuality appealing. It's a good idea for men to get to a point where they can some what easily enter relationships with women as this allows them to select the best women for a relationship. The point of going through this exploratory phase is not the same for both genders. Men need to spin plates to learn abundance, develop romance and seduction skills, understand the female psyche a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:44 AM
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What's that got to do with it though? The point is that both genders still have to go through the process to reach 'enlightenment'. The amount of effort required will be different for different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:12 AM
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Getting power means taking responsibility. That is a good point, although I feel like there are not many good resources out there on how to appropriately and effectively manage this responsibility. TRP has a lot of useful truths about tendencies, but it is packaged and delivered in such a hostile way that it is impossible for women to access it. One could argue that part of their responsibility to try to navigate it, but that is unrealistic given that it's essentially someone yelling at them agg…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:09 AM
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Because we're vilified and punished for failing to attract women This is very true, although society does give both men and women a pass on this if one is successful in other areas of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:02 AM
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1) Male 2) My mother, who taught us equality, with a little bit of traditional gender roles mixed in so we could function in contemporary society
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 07:01 AM
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Women want men to change their preferences. I think there's this logical gap syndrome on both sides of the fence, between I as (short man/fat woman) deserve to be loved and desired as I am and So you think I as (hot man/hot woman) should change my personal preferences to suit your particular situation? Maybe it's the solipsism/narcissist gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:56 AM
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Getting tired of it means that you haven't truly accepted the fact of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:50 AM
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I think settling is too loaded a term to really be able to use it without qualifying it. If settling means 'stripping away immature and unrealistic expectations about the way real humans actually are', then settling is part of growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:49 AM
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Rarely will you luck out and get that perfect roll. You only need it once, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:47 AM
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When they finally let a good guy into their circle, and he impresses them, they're suddenly "in love", and "can't believe they found a guy like this". Turns out all they needed to do is NOT go for the 6'3", muscular and chiseled faced Chad, and they found a decent dude. In RP speak, this is the same as saying "you MUST spin plates before you can understand game well enough to be in a LTR". Exactly the same deal, except women become the target of vitriol for it, rather than it being accepted as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:47 AM
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I mean this is one of RP's blindspots, although it's not something that directly impinges on core RP. The misconceptions women are taught about men's nature and men's behaviour feed back into the problems that non-pilled have. It's intellectual dishonest to deny that women are also fed a line of bullshit about the nature of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:45 AM
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That's just the way it is communicated for the newly red pilled. Personally, I find the needing to wrap stuff in bro-speak and misogyny to be both insufferable and yet understandable, given the heuristics people use to gut-check internet posts: you can trust this truth because it's said in your language. Consider this snippet from an excellent post on TRP, which could have equally been advice to men from FDS: Male participation in a relationship is performance. This does not mean you must be a d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:41 AM
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When robots become indistinguishable from humans, society will change completely. It might not mean the end of work, but it will require a very different system of social organisation and ways of individuals acquiring value. I think plenty of people would fall in love with robots. Sexual interactions with them would be a natural consequence of that. As for me, personally, growing up in the 'organic generations', I don't ever think I'd get a robot girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 06:06 AM
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To distill it down to something usable, I would say that younger men and older men have different potential issues with them. There's not really anything magical about the age of 35 though. The most useful thing for you to do is develop a vetting process that takes into account the sort of problems that men at different life stages and ages might have. For example, younger men tend to be less emotionally well developed, more unbalanced, less financially stable and more unresolved childhood traum…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:56 AM
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C. Know myself, my life's path and think critically about the information out there on how to create attraction and build relationships that enhance my life. Use PUA tactics which I believe are ethical and for the benefit of both myself and the person receiving them. The idea is to create positive experiences that are mutually enjoyable and lead to positive reinforcement of the dynamic. TRP is a deliberately simplistic approach to the male-female dynamic, so that it can explain to people who hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:48 AM
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Well, not so much that they become an abusive guy, more that they were always abusive and it didn't really emerge until later.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 03:21 PM
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still somehow got respect from people. Some of this is just because groups of people need leaders. Everyone recognises this, it's innate in humans as social beings. There's great social value in being a capable leader, and it doesn't really matter what your leadership style is. How much this is relevant to the dating market is a little complicated though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 01:18 PM
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You're getting a lot of 'no' answers here, but if you go to spaces where women vent about men and failed relationships, you'll find plenty of examples of women who felt like they should be kind and give the nice guy a chance. Then it usually turns abusive, or he turns out to be a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 12:15 PM
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SMV and RMV are still driven by market forces. Awkward nerdy STEM women in low supply, nerdy STEM men are in high supply, the former naturally will have higher relative market value. Plus, female awkwardness can raise RMV in the eyes of men, so long as it's not full blown shut-in syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 12:13 PM
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This is some nice insight. I will say that you don't have to expand your circle to be around more uninhibited people. If you do the self-work, and can get introduced, invited into, or just simply insert yourself into uninhibited groups that works fine too. That said, it's not really that simple. Most people who are inhibited have a lot of hang ups, be they moral, psychological, character or otherwise. Indeed, it takes a lot to move from being someone who is inhibited to being able to shake free …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:54 AM
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That's a great thing to bring up. It's always been a thing, but now social media has also extended this inner world, mental vision out into the outer world where you can reflect on how the prospective partner might visually look in one's imagined life. It's true this seems quite shallow and narcissistic, which it certainly can be, but at the same time being able to visualise and create a future for oneself is having great power in one's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 11:47 AM
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I feel like 'getting a date' is putting it into a blue pill framework. RP framework is more about making the approach, making contact, getting the close (phone number close, kiss close, fuck close etc). Being strongly physically attractive may smooth the process to varying degrees, but the whole point of TRP is focusing on your own game. You can't face swap, so there's no point being a beta bitch about it, and even if you could, it still is no replacement for doing the hard work to sort yourself…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 10:32 AM
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But I think that people generally are harsh to any groups that they view as inferior to them whether it's a gendered or racial thing. That's very true, and there is some experimental evidence to suggest that even in the complete absence of any difference between two groups, the in-power group will subjugate the other group just because they have been designated as having the power.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 10:21 AM
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We would have a totally different belief system I think the significance of this is hard to understate. Many things that seem normal, or that might be accepted as having a powerful biological imperative would simply not have the same framework. I very much enjoyed reading the link that the /u/flightlessbirbz posted about Goettner-Abendroth's work. A good example from that was this bit: Does prostitution exist in matriarchal societies? No! Not in the least. The same is true for rape. Women, their…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 06:05 AM
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Most dating profile descriptions are really just a broad sketch of the sort of person that one is looking for, or that one is. Because of the limits of language one can never be specific enough, but also can never be broad enough. Reading that checklist of attributes you can get a sort of feel for the person she's looking for, but at the same time based on what she says, it's clear that checklisting each of them isn't what is ultimately intended.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/04/21 05:58 AM
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I'm just interested in the positive feedback loops that create dysfunction in sexual relations, particularly in otherwise utopian conditions. I feel like your central thesis is not very clearly articulated. If I was to try and tease it out, it seems like you are suggesting: The Mouse Utopia experiments describe an example model in which interconnected positive feedback loops cause unhealthy social dynamics. The first world is currently experiencing a sexual-social crisis ("Marriage rates have pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/21 05:31 AM
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How you process your thoughts is something you can have control of, but it takes time to develop. The first thing to do is learn mindfulness meditation, so you can observe your own thoughts from a distance. This will lead you to the point where you will be able to deny damaging thoughts put away unhelpful thoughts for later choose to examine and dismiss thought trains choose to explore thought trains claim thought trains that are congruent with your identity and values as your own What is true w…
/r/ExRedPill08/04/21 07:33 PM
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So how to reconcile with the observation that (many) women are more pampered, get sex readily, and can hop relationships to relationships so freely as men throw themselves at them? It's simply not my problem. Decide what you want in your life, and know what your values are. Live your life as you seek to live it, and let all else wash around you like the drifts of air through the atmosphere. Too much to do, too much to learn, too much to see to worry about other people's sex lives. Choose your ow…
/r/ExRedPill08/04/21 07:24 PM
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I mean, I'm sure it would provide some analysable data about attitudes to love, but that doesn't mean the actual 'love attitude' is a thing that exists. Same way that MBTI tests can provide data about human personality, but that doesn't prove that MB Types actually exist, and if then go and analyse the data through the faulty MB Type framework, it's not going to provide meaningful answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 02:00 PM
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The underlying model of two tiers of love style where particular different aspects of the love style are viewed as independent and exclusionary of each don't seem to be based on anything other than what came to John Lee's mind after thinking about it for a long time based on his own experiences as a psychologist. That would give him greater expertise than someone without those experiences and training, and it might make for a useful metaphor or lens for viewing relationships through, but it's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 01:29 PM
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Well those things are important, but I wouldn't trust anyone to self-report them in their dating profile. I find out that stuff in person and then match their answers to what you can observe about their actions and life set-up, where it's much harder to fake. In fact, I don't really trust people to self-report anything at all apart from things they don't realise are negatives, which is what makes most of the posts in this sub so interesting.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 01:19 PM
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Fellow older guy, I think you just do your own thing really. Maybe you're up for a chat about common interests regardless? Maybe you're curious about how they thought the whole misleading photos thing would pan out? Maybe you're just done with timewasters and you're out the door the moment you've said your piece? Some people carry on about rules and trying to influence the way the rest of the dating pool works, but I've not got much time for that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 12:50 PM
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Well, the title for when this was posted in FDS was "“This is the future that FDS wants!!”. That said, title might just have been to stir up lurkers, as this comment was reasonably well upvoted: Dear lurkers: we don’t want to enslave anyone, we’d simply like to normalise a world in which being considerate and kind is the standard. This video is showing you the flip side of today’s dating culture in order to mirror the way we live. Plenty of comments about how sweet the kitchen was and how he jus…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 12:42 PM
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Isn't this a commentary on 'no matter how much you do, and how perfectly you do it, something will always go awry'? I guess what you think the skit is saying depends on how you interpret the ending where the woman gets a face full of water. Is it saying that: this sort of attention is pointless for women to seek because it always backfires? this sort of attention is pointless for men to give because it always backfires? well intentioned acts backfire when taken over the top? you should try your …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 11:35 AM
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I mean, as far as I can tell, John Alan Lee just basically pulled these out of his arse. It looks like it's barely one grade above blogspam. This is the sort of stuff that gives psychology a bad name.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 11:27 AM
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Why do all these women think that sarcasm and bitchy attitude are selling points? Combination of solipsism and certain social cues, perhaps. When they're sarcastic towards people, it feels good for them, so it must be a good thing. Combine that with the messaging about 'just be yourself' + 'if you can't handle me at my worst blah blah' + the prevalence of sarcastic wit being portrayed positively in pop culture, all of which constantly reinforces their behaviour and provides a shield for them to …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 09:41 AM
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The main difference really is between 'what men find attractive physically' and 'who men will actually date and pursue'. There's quite a large gap here. it's worth checking out this article here, if you haven't already seen the graphs from Dataclysm, which nicely illustrate the way there is a clear distinction between visual appeal and dating behaviour based on age. https://www.businessinsider.com/dataclysm-shows-men-are-attracted-to-women-in-their-20s-2014-10
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 09:34 AM
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If men and women can just be friends, Then why do a lot of women stop talking to their male counterpart once they are in a relationship? I feel like there is a logical fallacy in your statement. To explore, let's begin at: Many women stop talking to male friends when in a relationship, therefore many women believe they can not be platonic friends with men. If we take that at face value, then the following is valid: Some women do not stop talking to male friends when in a relationship, therefore …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 08:50 AM
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If I'm being honest, yes sometimes I do. I don't know if I would have been happier if I did though, and I think I was never cut out for that version of life in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 08:40 AM
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You'll be pleased to find out about sologamy! https://www.newidea.com.au/sologamy-can-you-legally-marry-yourself
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 08:19 AM
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Guess it depends on what one uses for the win rate. I think the schematic looks something like this: Best win Acceptable win Loss Married to HVM Permanently single but man-hassle free (large gap) LVM in your life Quite a few women will struggle with the being permanently single aspect though, it's easy enough for a number of years, but it is hard to fight the urge for everyday companionship and having a partner.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 08:16 AM
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I don't think they've made it quite that far yet, trend is still in the post pictures of the ring you've bought yourself.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 08:11 AM
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Here are the qualities that I saw that she had to offer from her profile: She's cute, presents well even in casual wear, is in pretty good shape physically, projects positive and friendly energy through her body language and smile, is into photography, not afraid to go for a stomp about in her trekking boots, seems to have a reasonable level of vocabulary and language use skills. and you said this part is invalid: She's cute, presents well even in casual wear, is in pretty good shape physically,…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 07:13 AM
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No worries, I'm sure you've got an inbox full of confused screeching, easy to miss the occasional comment that isn't!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:10 AM
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It will be interesting to see if it continues to gain traction. There are a large number of liberal feminists who feel that the pendulum has swung a little too far into uncritical sex positivity territory that is too permissive of misogyny and abuse. However I doubt that the current radfem movement will be able to capture that - the movement seems to be very in-group/out-group driven, and a lot of people who care about social issues will be very wary of that. Inclusiveness is used as a benchmark…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 07:03 AM
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I feel like that is true from a stated beliefs perspective, but in terms reddit radfems, they seem spend most of their time hating on sex work clients, rather than discussion of the plight of sex workers or the ongoing activism and politics of the situation. It's not a situation unique to that movement, and most grassroots organisations have memberships that are fairly uninformed and disengaged from the more involved levels of discourse. Most monthly small-amount donors don't have the time to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 06:57 AM
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Yes, quite possibly! The good ol' kittenfish.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/04/21 06:52 AM
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Does saying no to the Unabomber fall under realistic standards or unrealistic standards?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 08:57 PM
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There's a new generation of radfems coming through now, or at least the amount of tiktoks posted on FDS seems to suggest that's the fact. Perhaps just part of the natural societal pendulum swing back against liberal feminism. It's weird to see libfem used as a derogatory term in female subs, but there you have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:55 PM
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What about the other stuff then?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 08:42 PM
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What are you going on about? Just saying the same thing that you were, and wondering if there are particular reasons for their stubbornness?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:40 PM
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She's cute, presents well even in casual wear, is in pretty good shape physically, projects positive and friendly energy through her body language and smile, is into photography, not afraid to go for a stomp about in her trekking boots, seems to have a reasonable level of vocabulary and language use skills. A picture is worth a thousand words, or something like that.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 08:36 PM
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Nice leaf hat!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:26 PM
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I admire your patience and persistence in the face of unrelenting refusal or lack of ability to see how it works. Maybe they're not the sort of people to be carried away by music in a club, or swept up in waves of good times and fun when they're out with friends? Or maybe they're just too concrete and absolute in their understanding of the red pill to realise that just because something makes you feel like doing something, doesn't mean there's no choice involved ultimately about doing or not doi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 08:25 PM
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Thanks, always cool to learn idiomatic phrases in other languages!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 05:37 PM
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I mean, whilst that is a long list, it's not really anything to do with SMV or RMV. In the end it's mostly just vagueness and a few tastes that are pretty unremarkable - art, music, food and travel... king of the generic. Although I'm not sure what 'aiming for a bombing' means.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/04/21 05:33 PM
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insist their theories about women are meant to be an unbiased neutral look at the evolved sexual strategies of women so men can better understand them I feel like they mainly insist this in public spaces, to try and bolster the strength of the arguments and achieve some sort of credibility. The reason for this is largely independent of any objective truth behind TRP. For men, taking the red pill is not meant to be a neutral experience at all. https://blacklabellogic.com/2016/11/10/the-5-stages-o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 03:54 PM
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Well, I'm not a fan of the treat people how you want to be treated aphorism. Seems to flaccid. Know your beliefs, know yourself, interact with the world accordingly. Ultimately TRP is just the philosophy really, isn't it? Understanding that the world was not the way you thought it was, so it suggests you do differently. PUA world is full of various techniques, it's not like any of them have been truly scientifically vetted, nor like any of them will work on every woman. Better to change tactics,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 11:05 AM
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Strong ethical frameworks shouldn't revolved around whether you get rewarded for your behaviour or not. As a man or woman of character, you do what you believe is right because it is the right thing to do. That is what having strong character and frame is about. You rise above your circumstances. If you believe TRP is unethical, don't follow TRP. If you believe it is ethical, follow it if you want. Most of the time it's more complex. Personally I adopt the parts that I believe are ethical and di…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:51 AM
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Hitting the wall is about women's comparative SMV and RMV. Sarah's RMV only starts to depreciate steadily after 30 in comparison to Madison's RMV, as Madison hits her 20s. Ben's RMV will vary in competition with other men, and not be affected by the female market.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:47 AM
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Does which bit really matter? On the topic of men moral standards, the most important thing is that a man holds himself accountable to his own standards, whatever those might be. So from that perspective, it does matter. However things can be perfectly true and not relevant to a particular situation. The point of TRP is that you don't need any knowledge of TRP itself to be red-pilled. Some people just do it naturally, so the objections surround TRP behaviour online and what other people do, or T…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:41 AM
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Just because hard negging and dread game work on some women doesn't make them ethical. It's not a matter of who likes what, or what works, it's a matter of choices on how to treat other people. On the other hand, I think it's quite a valid statement to that one doesn't care if they're ethical or not, they're effective. After all not everything one does in life is ethically justifiable under all moral frameworks in any case. Maybe a stronger position is that blue pill approaches also have low or …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 10:32 AM
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I don't think TRP receives that much hate here. It's more that theories make for interesting discussion, for both those who are anti-TRP and those who are exploring it, but not fully red pilled. That said, here are some reasons why it "receives hate": Not actually investigating TRP for themselves/ignorance of the deeper content Just like many people hate on FDS without ever reading the handbook properly and taking the time to see the systemics from an objective point of view, many people hate on…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/21 04:37 AM
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The middle ground is already known to everyone. It's the common shared reality everyone in your society has. It's your culture. Your shared experience of living in shared locations, of growing up and growing old in them. It's all of the things that are common to your life, the food, the media you consume, your work, your shared leisure times, the stories you share, the common fears and hopes for the future. Everyone sees these all through different lenses, to be sure, but it's still a common rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 07:33 PM
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Existing strategies to curtail violent crime result in the existing crime rate. What makes you think they are going to be able to stop it from rising in response to the shame-o-rama. Rising suicide rates are damaging for society - suicide impacts not only the person committing suicide but everyone else in their circles. Society is telling you exactly how things are going to be or else. That's essentially fascism-lite, except instead of government overreach one is using social stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:51 PM
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With so much shame going round, there's bound to be an increase in violent crime, suicide and social instability. I guess you could shame those too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:39 PM
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The golden bullet would be a combination of deep data driven partner matching run by AI, therapy and relationship skills development. I don't really think we're anywhere near there soon though, human relationships are such profoundly complicated constructs with perpetual moving parts and subject to unpredictable externalities as well as a gigantic set of possible preconditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:34 PM
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I think that's probably true. What did you discover in 2018?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:30 PM
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Also, I never see anything hateful comments or posts about fat guys even though there's usually just as many fat men as fat women. There are some over in the "I like good abs and I can not lie..." thread, but you make a good point about vitriol, which seems to be mainly male quality with respect to this topic. Some men loathe fat women, but I suspect these are just the sort of men who are hateful in general. I think another thing is that fatness is relative. A lot of overweight, lower end obese …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:27 PM
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This is the sort of thing that tends to fall badly afoul of the Law of Unintended Consequences. Let's just postulate that we did manage to start culture-wide shaming of divorce. The most immediate outcome is that people stop getting divorced, but none of the factors that lead to divorce would decrease. Infidelity would increase, as it's now better to remain married on paper to avoid the stigma. Use of prostitution and other sex workers would increase for the same reasons. Alongside increased pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 03:59 PM
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As far as sexual education in highschools go, low n count is part of 'be careful with the sexual partners that you choose' education. It's not really the government's place to dictate how many sexual partners one has, any more than it is to dictate who you sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 10:23 AM
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I've also noticed the people in WAATGM tend to rehash the same POVs over and over again once applied to something they see during analysis Might be a combination of meme-culture and group-think? Also, I think some people are just like that in general, in the same vein as people who always tend to tell exactly the same stories over and over. Was the python coding skills done by a man or a woman? Man. The thread got locked for being off topic, which I guess is fair, seeing it wasn't actually withi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:50 AM
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If he's told to move on by the woman because she's chosen someone else, that's quite a different scenario to finding out indirectly she's sleeping with other suitors. The latter leaves him the option to remain part of her harem, the former doesn't. In the latter situation, he may chose to persist in the casual relationship with diminished interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 06:07 AM
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I don't disagree with the thrust of what you're saying, but I would posit a CYV about how you approach the topic. It's also worth paying attention to the mechanics of how a man finds out that the woman has chosen another man over him. If she tells him, then it's usually implicit that she is not interested in him, so she's self-'nexting'. If he finds out from other sources, then he feels betrayed/rejected and is most likely to move on. There may be evopsych reasons one could bring into that about…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:55 AM
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The self-help/self-improvement industry is basically geared towards women. Pick up a self-help book, and 3 times out of four it’s going to be written for a female audience. It might be valid to split the industry into self-help vs self-improvement. Superficially they seem the same, but there is a difference between 'how do I fix this problem I have' vs 'how do I become a better version of myself'. Men traditionally have been more accepting of the idea of seeking competitive advantage, perhaps le…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:46 AM
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It is an interesting observation, and I think you're right in that self-improvement is presented in quite gendered ways. I guess part of it is that a lot of the 'gurus' of self-improvement tend to be male, and write from a male perspective that is embedded before they become well known. Reflecting back on the times when self-improvement type advice comes up, I feel like females (girls and women) tend to receive responses that involve emotional reassurance and validation, then specific action adv…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:32 AM
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Very true, it's a bad faith RP argument in that sense. That said, potential STI exposure is a contributory reason as to why some people don't want relationships with promiscuous partners, be they men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:12 AM
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As usual, getting your information about health matters from youtube is a terrible idea, redpill or otherwise. No matter what we would like to believe about casual sex, there is no doubt that it represents increased risk of health complications. It's been a consistent target of public health campaigns because of these myriad risks. Most of this has been targeted at risk reduction, especially for teenagers, who are the most likely to fail to take risk reduction measures. See for example, the CDCs…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:10 AM
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Yes, I've not seen any actual advice. It's not like people post here about individual problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 04:25 AM
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HVW have no need to discourage LVW from improving themselves, as self-improvement is difficult and very people are able to make substantial changes. Most social movements are started out with earnest intentions and genuine principles, with a few exceptions. Some get co-opted along the way by other interests, its true, but that occurs mainly from industry/corporate interests, or state actors.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 04:22 AM
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I highlighted the parts of the comments I am especially interested in seeing examples of in mass popular culture. If you could give me examples of specific shows, movies, media etc that have these messages that would be great. I've been trying to think of these, but I'm having a lot of difficulty remembering specific texts. Honestly, it just felt like that messaging saturated everything: you should love and respect women, and the key to that was listening to them, respecting their ideas and opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 06:37 PM
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As a photographer, I can promise you most men are terrible at taking photos, And that is still understating by a significant margin! Especially in contrast to the well developed selfie game that many women have, who often have a great eye for composition, lighting and pose, thanks to the amount reference images on instagram and daily practice. Plus, the number of men who pre-style before a shot is even lower. That said, the 80/20 "rule" was really just the application of the Pareto principle to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 06:27 PM
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They themselves seem to be the NPCs themselves that cannot have their own viewpoints and ban anyone/rag on anyone who thinks differently. I think a lot of places end up seeming like that, at least on the surface. Just people parroting the same old opinions uncritically. It seems to wax and wane a little though, I popped into WAATGM today and they were busy tearing apart the python coding skills in a post that someone had made, with not a bit shred of misogyny to be found, and then there was an u…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 06:16 PM
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That's not really the way TPR defines hypergamy. It doesn't mean money and status in the common sense, nor the sociological sense. It's the particular syndrome of higher SMV chasing and monkeybranching. Money isn't important, and the status being referenced is SMV/RMV, not conventional social status. Non RPers would not (accurately) be able to identify many situations that RP would describe as hypergamy (hence a lot of BP misunderstanding about what is actually at stake). Hypergamy – The instinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/21 05:39 PM
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Ah yes, I check in at WAATGM from time to time. It seems like it's about 25% profiles with a distinct, and slightly awful at times, lack of self-awareness and 75% rampant misogyny where they just imagine things that must be wrong with the person. Has the same sort of trainwreck fascination, although I'm not surprised you got banned from there, they don't tolerate much excursion outside of a fairly narrow range of comments. Funny to hear you got banned from FDS, they also have a fairly narrow tol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 04:01 PM
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There is some data available to compare to your hypothesis: https://subredditstats.com/r/TheRedPill https://subredditstats.com/r/MGTOW In terms of interpreting, subscriber count data is damaged by the quarantining of those subs, but you can still get a reasonable feel for sub activity through the comment graphs. Just eyeballing those graphs, I don't see any evidence of an uptick nor up trend in TRP around the start of the pandemic lockdowns. I also don't see any real evidence of a crossover from…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 02:42 PM
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I wonder why a lot of redpillers believe that women who have advanced degrees (Master's or above) would be at a disadvantage when it comes to dating "no men care about a woman's career or degrees." The latter doesn't mean the former. Many RP men talk about spinning plates, i.e. having uncommitted casual sex with multiple women, who are individually referred to as 'plates'. If you are a plate with an advanced degree doesn't really matter one way or another, you're just another plate. That's what …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 07:06 AM
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I think we're talking at cross purposes, and possibly I lost track of the underlying ideas in the original comment and your response to it, so I'm going to bow out. But yes, socioeconomic status is no excuse for bigotry.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 09:43 AM
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Most people in lower socio-economic regions don't have the resources to leave their locale. Certainly it is possible, and it does happen, but the reason that marginalised groups need support and women need facilities like DV shelters is because it is usually extremely difficult to escape one's immediate circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 08:16 AM
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Two things: Firstly, The thing you've done in your post with this structure: A B B A just makes you come across as odd and that you don't grasp how to use reddit correctly. It doesn't emphasise your point, or improve people's understanding of your question, it does the very opposite. Second thing, /r/asktrp would be a good place to ask this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 06:26 AM
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That's pithy, but the more likely truth is that if everyone you know is a mess, then your immediate socio-cultural environment is unhealthy and toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 06:14 AM
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HVM entry in the FDS handbook: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/hwg0bt/high_value_men_and_what_it_means_to_be_one/ HVW construct tends to assume that a woman has reached a certain baseline and then moves onto less tangible qualities: Ultimately, a Queen is complete unto herself. She has a great career, loving friends and family, financial independence, and an abundance of hobbies and pastimes to fill the hours when she isn't crushing it at her workplace. Finding a man to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/21 06:12 AM
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it is an accumulation of minor differences/preferences/prejudices amounting to a drastically different life experience. This is a really great way to put it!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 08:11 AM
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I ask mainly in case you have an ASD, which seems possible because of how significantly you misread the situation. I would say you are correct about her being very upset. This was your cue to change your interaction approach. When she is calling you mentally ill, this is often just the casual way (younger) people speak. It's an accusation and her saying "I do not think normal people behave like you have been behaving". She is just expressing her opinion and reaction to your behaviour, which isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:48 AM
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What do you think she means when she says this? Nope. I’ve reported you to the Reddit admins and you will likely get banned soon. You are mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:36 AM
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INTRA-RACIALLY Location is very important here, because demographic mix and culture will determine things a lot more than race per se. There aren't any universalities here. For example: Are some races more lenient on height? Yes, if they live in a country where they are the predominant ethnic group, and the average height is shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:29 AM
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Oh wow Okay yeah so you have actual mental issues then This is your first clue that you need to calm down your chat, and that you have misread the room, so to speak. Nope. I’ve reported you to the Reddit admins and you will likely get banned soon. You are mentally ill. This is a clear indication that you should not engage any further unless it is to apologise and withdraw. What you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT DO is go and find a pic of her and post it into the chat. How is that even remotely appropria…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:26 AM
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Do men truly want (like in a perfect world) a woman to cater to them and be monogamous to them, and just accept that he will have multiple partners? I personally would not want this, which I mention mainly as a datapoint. Like do you guys want everyone to be monogamous or no one to be monogamous or do you literally just want to have your cake and eat it to? I don't want everyone to do anything. Plurality is one of the great strengths of relatively free societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 06:17 AM
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Well, I'm not claiming that it's now a core tenet, just that the idea is no longer anathema to some in the manosphere. The phrasing of my initial comment on the topic was meant to be jocular.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:32 AM
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Thanks for the feedback! It's always good to have it affirmed that one's understanding is mostly on track. so I do hope that you will continue to communicate with men, as there is a certain kind who don’t give a good goddamn when it’s a woman talking. I think some of this is partly bridge building and partly underlying tone. In the manosphere, there is a machismo in the language which is quite exaggerated, but even outside of it, men tend to code and frame their opinions within a certain framewo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 05:21 AM
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I defer to Toddv Dating on this. Its best just to pay for dates. I used to think it was more alpha to demand splitting the bill and beta to pay. But you get more success from just paying. Particularly if you are not in your early 20s any more. Just have a budget for it. I have had positive results from forgetting my wallet (genuinely, not as a power move) occasionally, but with women I'd already been on multiple dates with. FDS demands many expensive meals over months while holding out on physic…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:55 AM
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Because you the man must pay, TRP says you must pay now too. Consensus achieved!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:36 AM
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Not a single FDS woman is HVW though. That seems like something that would be impossible to know. Also finishing school doesn't exist anymore. Sure it does, both in the traditional bricks and mortar sense, and new online variants. Here are a few random ones: http://amityfinishingschool.com/Home/Index https://www.washingtonetiquette.com/ https://www.londonschoolofetiquette.com/ Check out Anna Bey for a youtube version for the masses: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1BUEiSgQP0jxI0rOsgppgg
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:36 AM
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the "all women are wonderful" thing I think this may contribute to some bad behaviour by LVM - as women are just human, their ordinary imperfect human-ness mismatches with subconscious images they may have about women as perfect. It's an interesting thing to muse about, but it does seem likely that it's unlikely something that people outside feminist spheres would engage with in good faith. For most other actors, it feels like they would just use it as a leverage point for their own arguments ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 03:31 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to comment! even if you're not allowed to comment in our sub For me, this is actually one of the best aspects of the FDS network. No matter whether or not it's support, disagreement, reflection or any other sort of comment, I know it's absolutely not my place to say anything. That's oddly liberating in a way, and allows me to check my own behaviour against the posts about LVMs in an objective frame of mind. I appreciate the open-minded nature of your exploration of our…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 06:14 PM
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Those were expectations about how a man should be and behave, placed on men by women. Toxic femininity would be unhealthy expectations about a woman should behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 03:05 PM
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Different species follow very different mating strategies though. People just tend to point to the ones that support their own preexisting biases. Not to mention grossly overweight and misinterpret individual species, such as the debunked 'alpha/beta pack mentality of wolves'.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 02:50 PM
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I previously had quite a negative opinion of sugaring, but after spending some time lurking on /r/sugarlifestyleforum I now have a more nuanced view. It is definitely a grey area, where some of it is essentially just sex-for-money with a regular john, but there are also other types of sugar relationships, including the romanticised ones. That said, from the posts there it sounds like it suffers from many of the problems that convention OLD has in terms of finding good matches, no matter what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:32 PM
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It's interesting that you're basically arguing for the existence of FDS here, as it's meant to be a proxy screening filter for bad men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:26 PM
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You put that there as a gotcha, but feminists who believe that equality in educational access is important would have that as an issue of concern. However given all of the other giant mountains of shit from the patriarchy (the systemic patriarchy, not the imaginary men's club) that need to be fixed first, it doesn't really appear on to-do lists.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:03 PM
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There are definitely schools of feminism that agree with you that mainstream feminism used to be very much purview of the white upper middle class. They tend to be socialist and PoC.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:00 PM
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That's not a cop-out, given that radical feminism, especially separatist feminism has goals and methods that are essentially the opposite of liberal feminism. There's a massive difference between 'womyn are superior, should control and contain men' and 'men and women are inherently equal, and should work together to better society'.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:55 AM
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what would you define as toxic femininity? what do women do that is harmful to everyone including ourselves? That's an interesting question. I think it would have to not be 'what do women do' per se, but what is a common and often accepted construct of femininity that results in negative outcomes for individuals and wider society, given the way toxic masculinity is defined. ~~Coming from a liberal feminist framework, I find it quite hard to think of what this might be, but that doesn't preclude …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:53 AM
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expecting men to be not emotional, to be dominant, more financially able then them, it isnt like gender roles are only efforced by men This women buying into toxic masculinity, rather than toxic femininity. Zeedoctorzee is closer to the mark - expectations and ideals about how a woman should be and behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:47 AM
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That's an interesting take. I guess the implied nuance is that the ruling class encourages the types and aspects of feminism that serve its interests. I think that's probably the same for all activist causes, although it's perhaps an outcome of game theory and emergent behaviours rather than any ruling cabal calling the shots in the shadows. Environmentalism has been similarly 'wielded' by the ruling class. I think many people identify the influences that the powerful have on social movements, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:44 AM
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where women need to stop being treated as lesser than men It still is that, in many fields. In other areas I think it now is trying to grapple with more complex questions about balance, and the shape of modern womanhood. Social media activism is a cesspool though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:36 AM
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have same IQ as a kindergarten teacher Having dealt with the unwashed tiny hordes, I would not scoff at the mental capabilities of kindergarten teachers!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:34 AM
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Specifically, I am asking how these aspects rank relative to "getting fe/male attention" Getting general female attention is pretty much at the bottom of my priority list, but if I set my sights on a specific woman, then being able to generate spark and attraction is of the same level of importance as being in a relationship with her. How important being in a relationship is for me varies greatly depending on what else is going on in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:33 AM
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I don't know if I deserve any credit for trying to help them, if I'm honest. I've just been looking into what's going on there, the same way that I did when the PUA scene and then the Red Pill emerged. Pretty similar experiences with both, in the sense that there were a lot of interesting insights and concepts, but then the crazies rolled up and set the metaphorical house on fire. I should rephrase my statement, If a woman was trying to be genuine and respectable, I’m sure men would date her. Ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 11:27 AM
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But the thing that people don’t realize is that if you’re on FDS, ugly, AND being a cunt, the recipe is not really going in your favor. Well, the default position of the actual dating strategy is that you are better off being alone than having a bad man in your life. I think this leads to the outcome you describe. Nobody is going to tell people that if they're ugly on the outside and ugly on the inside that the strategy won't get you a man - because the primary goal of the strategy is to get you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:57 AM
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Date which ones? The ones who spend their time posting memes and comments, or the ones who have gone and done the hard yards, levelled up and actualized themselves? The latter are highly desirable women, especially as part of levelling up is taking care of themselves physically and emotionally. it’s so far out of the realm of reality that it almost seems like a joke. You just mean it's outside the realm of your usual social circles. That said, thanks to the internet, there are now plenty of ways…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:49 AM
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These strategies would work great if they all looked like Disney princesses, sucks for them it’s not the reality though. This is, in spirit at least, correct. It is perhaps, the dirty secret of FDS. It can be an effective strategy for those women who have sufficient amounts of physical attractiveness for their geographical region. It is not going to work for women who are unable to level up, or who can't looksmax sufficiently to induce men to wait. clearly not attractive due to the fact that she…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:29 AM
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What makes you think that actual FDS HVW don't have grace or class? If they don't start with it, they can attend a finishing school. The vast majority of FDS posters are still LVW who aspire to being HVW. That said, not every HVM necessarily wants someone like that. You're mistaking FDS's definition of HV with high net worth and/or upper class, they are not the same. At the core of it "HV" is pretty much 'traditional romantic' + 'what used to be considered a normal, decent person'. Sure there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 10:25 AM
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These aren't arguments in favour of the idea that feminism is hegemonic, they are arguments that western society is misandrist. Indeed, there are schools of feminism that argue that the patriarchy itself is both misogynist and misandrist, and refer to the disposability of men as proof. This might not make sense on superficial analysis ("I though the patriarchy meant men ruled society?"), but it is entirely consistent with the idea that the patriarchy is a system of cultural values and institutio…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 09:33 AM
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The subreddit itself, with its semi-frequent strident misandry? Yes, I browse it regularly. Those posters are not FDS-HVW by their own admission (and flairs), and I wouldn't get involved with any of them. I would also vet out any of the hardline misandrists, and those who have no compassion towards pickmes and scrotes. That might sound like I'm being extremely selective, but that's the unspoken Male Dating Strategy for LTRs, isn't it? Same thing as the core tenets of FDS in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 08:42 AM
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I guess it depends whether or not they like what they see through the surface then. I think there are some HVM who would be turned off by FDS's anti-porn, anti-liberal feminism stance. I think all HVM would appreciate a woman who chooses to safeguard their value. I think many HVM would entertain a traditional courtship romance role of acting as provider. I personally have no problems with paying for and arranging the vast majority of the romance excursions and activities, provided she balances o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 08:28 AM
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What makes you think that all FDS HVW present as 'woke'? If anything they present as fairly socially conservative. The women loudly declaring their independence on their OLD profiles are not HVW. Like men who achieve their success and have developed social savvy, they downplay it to strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 08:10 AM
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It sounds like your wife was quite confident with navigating the romance space and her ability to vet men, hence landing you. I think this raises something you don't see discussed that often regarding FDS, which is ... who is FDS actually for? Most FDS acolytes would say it's for every woman. Most critics would say it's for post-wall women who over estimate their SMV/RMV (sexual/romantic market value). I don't really think either of those are particularly helpful, nor accurate. For a start, FDS …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 08:06 AM
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As an belief system, feminism still has to sit through its real litmus test. What do you mean by feminism here? Let's say we start with first wave feminism, which emerged in the late 19 th Century. This means that feminism has already been through both World Wars and the Great Depression. In fact, during all of these crises, women have been recruited into male roles, advancing the cause of feminism. Or else, will these feminists do what women have always done in those circumstances, which is to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:24 AM
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I can't imagine FDS strategies being effective Which ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:16 AM
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Yes, HVM absolutely vet as well. It is possible that a male dating strategy sub that offers advice for spotting gold diggers and flakes could emerge as a brother sub to FDS, although I'm guessing it'd rapidly get swallowed up by the more bitter elements and become part of the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:14 AM
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Why do you think it will weed out all the men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:11 AM
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But, 'good men' wouldn't want to put up with FDS tactics in the first place. Why not? If you look at it from the perspective of a man who passes the first year of vetting, this is what it would look like. Phase 1 You have initial cold contact (OLD profile, meet via friends, encounter 'in the wild' + exchange numbers) with what seems to be a fantastic woman - put together, confident in her own style, with evidence of intelligence and success in her own right. You put her through your initial vett…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 06:39 AM
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most of these pros just seem like recommended qualities that i think both genders should want/expect from their partner or from any healthy adult. Yes exactly! That's really the crux of the 'high value' man/woman. As far as I can tell, the main reason this 'high value' designation exists is because as far as those who subscribe to FDS are concerned, these qualities have been hard, if not impossible, to find in partner. It is a self-selecting self-validating premise after all. If you think HVM an…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 05:17 PM
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The point of courting a FDS-HVW woman is not to get sex, it's to get marriage. NO FDS is not mental stable It's not about the majority of the FDS sub users, most of them are not HVW by their own definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 04:49 PM
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How do you get a complementary life partner who is not part of yourself from Stoicism?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 02:13 PM
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This is what I would get out of dating a FDS-HVW woman. It's worth noting this is quite different from dating the average FDS user, who is not actually a HVW. The FDS HVW is emotionally self-sufficient, has well-rounded and developed interests, knows herself and has a vocation/career trajectory she pursues out of either passion or ambition. The latter is what breeds that quality of competence - being solution oriented. That prefix out of the way, this is what one would get: A genuine partner who…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 05:22 AM
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There seems to be a bit of conflating between 'send dick pics to unwitting recipients' and 'post dick pics in "male centered NSFW subreddits'. There's no doubt some overlap in motivation, but they don't really seem to be the same thing given one is toward a specific target, and the other is an act of display towards an unknown audience. Some would no doubt lack the social awareness to realise their male nude would be received differently Some would feel like they are now closer to the female pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:40 PM
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It is reasonable to hold women accountable if they actively choose to engage in manipulative behaviour, but to be compassionate given the challenges they face, including the serious adverse risks to their lives and safety. It is reasonable to call out women who are subconsciously engaged in manipulative behaviour, but to be compassionate given the challenges they face, including the serious adverse risks to their lives and safety, and that they are responding unwittingly. It is reasonable to hol…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 12:04 PM
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One perspective is that it matters very much for the person conducting the actions in terms of their integrity, self-worth and world view. A man acting out of genuine kindness feels validated by helping others, is reinforced to continue this behaviour because he validates his own identity to himself through these acts, regardless of the outcome, and views the world as a place where he has a role to play by doing good. ("I just did what anyone else would do"). A man acting as a nice guy and seeki…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 11:19 AM
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This is not how you successfully interact with people. Firstly it's quite difficult work out exactly what you were offering in the " The next day he messages you and says 'okay so here's the deal' " section because it is such a poorly written giant wall of text. Put out in bullet points I'm ugly but I have a nice personality We should get together because I will make you happy I will even let you have babies with a hot guy instead of me I have a nice penis and I won't make you do anal and I won'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 09:54 AM
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What's going on here? If I'm honest about some of feelings that swirl about before I clamp down on them for being irrational, I would say the main driver (for me, at least), seems to be resentment. It's a bitter resentment that I could see shifting anger easily, and if allowed to fester seems like it could become the myopic, narrow focused rage that one can find in both misogyny and misandry. It's quite irrational and quite universal in its flavour. If I was to let it speak, it might express its…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 09:34 AM
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These are also some very good points, especially about how metoo changed the social landscape. I will say that the friendships I personally know between men and women existence largely in overlapping work and social situations where the networks were well established through years of training together and through coupling off. So none of these male-female friendships would involve doing things like doing hobby type activities with just two people together, but they do involve proper shared, plan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 01:47 PM
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I feel like I agree with this in principle, but reflecting on it, I don't think I have ever been friends with men who don't understand how men and women can be friends. Perhaps this is just because I've always moved in professional and high achieving circles in a relatively progressive culture? Every male I know finds value in their professional connections with female professionals, and those readily extend into non-workplace friendships. To be fair, these often become couples that are friends …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 01:12 PM
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What's your idea of adventure?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/21 05:04 AM
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The truth is that men don’t want to be friends with women When there are common interests, be it a workplace, place of study or hobby, there is no gendering of friendships like this. One is limited to the immediate pool of people in that place or space. So that whole pretext falls flat for me. As for whether or not men or women are, or are not, interested in understanding each other better, I think that's very much up to the innate level of curiosity of any individual. Some people, of either gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/21 10:18 AM
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Another way to find out is just go lurk on the sugarlifestyleforum sub, and watch the discussion and interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 04:00 PM
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/r/truerateme has some guides for facial beauty that I initially thought were a bit weird, but then the more I looked at them, the more sense they made. Worth checking out if you have never seen them before: Truerateme male guide: https://i.imgur.com/1EpSoNB.jpg Truerateme female guide: https://i.imgur.com/OI0UFZU.png Body attractiveness has too much individual variation, I think, especially for female physiques where people have strong individual preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/21 03:55 PM
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That's the most unusual definition of NAIRU I've seen yet!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/21 07:00 AM
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That clip is amazing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 11:42 AM
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Instead TRPillers seem to be pedestalizing tradcon, virgin women and I don't get why as these women are the least likely to want them. Thrill of the hunt, lure of the (previously/still) unattainable. It's not about if the women are likely to want them or not, it's about forcing the women to give into them through the power of TRP techniques. If they resist the techniques, the more the better, in terms of the sport of conquest. In the same way that many women find something like FDS revelatory, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:59 AM
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Upvote for good manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:43 AM
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I found the use of "violent" in the title of the post a bit confusing. It's been a while since I was deeply embedded in social movements and more rigorous discussion of social issues, but unless there's been a shift in the terminology then "violence" and "violent" are not always interchangeable. Is the correct way to interpret the title 'that some men view women's sexually evocative dress as a form of violence against them"? Or is it actually meant in the passive sense: 'if I'm a man and I feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/21 07:39 AM
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Isn't that against the anti-brigading rules? I just googled 'reddit' + a bit of the text and the link popped up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 05:17 AM
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In the original comment, there are actually 15 criteria she has. The missing one is: 15 He must match my lifestyle of hedonism, luxury, impulsive spending, and excessive pleasure-seeking behaviors. I WILL NOT BE TAMED, SHAMED, OR CHANGED. If he cannot keep up with my expensive, fuck you-lifestyle, he can go fuck the other rejects in the ghostyard BECAUSE HE'S GETTING BLOCKED, GHOSTED, IGNORED, AND DELETED. I will NOT be made to feel like my success, accomplishments, privileged lifestyle, and tas…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/03/21 04:46 AM
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I think you're still thinking more of HNWI / upper socioeconomic tier rather than HVMs as per the FDS definition. In terms of financials, the FDS definition is pretty much what should be considered 'baseline adult'. Here's what the FDS handbook says: He needs to be financially responsible. Note that I didn't say wealthy, because wealth doesn't mean he'll treat you well and it doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a happy life with him. Whatever his pay grade, your potential partner should be able…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 01:16 PM
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Which bit were you actually disagreeing with? As far as I can tell, you're just saying that in your experience and your circles, the courtship filtering approach FDS recommends would not work for you, or the women you've dated. That's fine, it's meant to be a hard, low yield filter that will still miss a good number of HVM. It's not meant to capture all of them, it's designed to filter out LVM who may be hard to differentiate from HVM during the early phases. If she's into games - there's a wide…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 09:39 AM
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What do you think the actual dating advice from FDS is? FDS's actual strategy is just a combination of self-improvement and partner selection screening for their own particular definition of HVM. That definition is largely behaviour and minimum standards based. It does include some high net worth men, but isn't exclusively about HNWIs (although you need to scrape below the surface to actually get to that). The dirty secret of FDS, perhaps, is that it's not actually going to work for most people …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/21 06:17 AM
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Well, it's called FemaleLevelUpStrategy and was created by one of the mods of FDS. There's also AskFDS. Neither of those appear as official sister subs, but as far as I know they're both part of the 'FDS network'. There's also the official FDS website, and the podcast just got launched too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 06:57 PM
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FDS does what? Same, really. There is a sub dedicated to levelling up FDS style, so all the things you mentioned, and also all the stuff like finance, career, psychological adjustment, discipline etc. It has a slightly different feel to the testosterone laden version of the same thing, but it's still the same general areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 02:44 PM
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From the sounds of it then, the women who are commenting here are more likely from or closer to my generation than yours, given the way they describe girl game makes perfect sense to me and is immediately familiar, but seems contrary to your expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 07:01 PM
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Have you looked at FemaleLevelUpStrategy and AskFDS? That's where a lot of those posts are. The FDS main sub has a lot more geared towards explorations of the ideas and issues that underpin the FDS philosophy, and echochamber style reinforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 06:33 PM
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It's only mixed signals if you don't know how to interpret them. As an older guy, I read her description of girl game and cracked a big grin, because it was a clear invitation to join her in the fun of the flirt game. It's a dance, and a game, building the anticipation, testing each other out, working how to push buttons in a good way so that whatever transpires later is going to be even more fun and filled with chemistry. That might sound too uncertain, and perhaps not aggressive enough, but re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/21 06:01 PM
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