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| 273 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression" | misandry | icehalf | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 02:20 AM |
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| 3 | We have to really discuss ways to improve our movement.First of all, I wouldn't look to /r/AskFeminists for any insightful analysis on anything; it openly exists as a space for feminists to engage in bad faith with people critical of feminism so that such criticism doesn't bleed over into the main /r/Feminism sub. Anyway, to engage on your main points: The fact that so many posts have to do with dating should be pretty strong evidence that it's a high-priority issue to men. I agree that it's not necessarily a "human rights" issue, per se, but no les… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/09/22 12:59 PM |
| 2 | To start a discussion about where bodily autonomy should start, what do you think about piercing infants' ears? I personally think it's wrong...If a baby's first words are "pierce my ears", should we do it? It sounds ridiculous because it is. Legally, it seems we've decided humans aren't fully capable of caring for themselves until 18, so there is necessarily going to be some gray area here. If a 3 year says they don't want a vaccine because they don't like needles, that probably shouldn't be the end of the discussion. On the other hand, a 16 year old's input on their medical decisions should probably be given as much or more weight tha… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/06/22 07:24 PM |
| 31 | Being a white male isn’t automatically playing life on easy mode per seThe steel man of the argument you're pushing back against would be that your life may not be easy just because you're white and male, but it's easier than it would be as a non-white or non-male, all else being equal. The issue is really that gender doesn't fit as neatly into that hierarchy as other identities. For instance, I can think of very few disadvantages of being white in western society...or of being wealthy, able-bodied, straight, cis, etc. However, I can think of numerous disadvantages… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/22 11:43 PM |
| 9 | Female spaces and hostilityAny social space that is intentionally segregated is probably going to be somewhat hostile toward the out-group, otherwise it wouldn't have been established as a segregated space. The difference is that most male-dominated social spaces are not intentionally segregated. Despite what feminists will tell you, most men will be welcoming to women who want to be a part of these social spaces. In contrast, most women's spaces are established by feminists to explicitly exclude men. Feminists are extrem… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/05/22 08:24 PM |
| 13 | Why do feminists defend Amber Heard?Feminists are pro-women, not pro-equality or pro-justice. It's really as simple as that. Feminists rightly try to focus their energy on issues where those ideals overlap, but when confronted with cases where they don't, feminists will generally still side with the women. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/22 02:20 PM |
| 25 | I think there is this dilemma, that men are not allowed to show emotion in societyIf men express anger or frustration, feminists berate them for being "toxic". If men express sadness or despair, feminists berate them for being "fragile". If men keep their emotions to themselves, feminists accuse them of being "toxic". If men talk about their emotions with others, feminists accuse them of burdening others with "emotional labor". There's no range or expression of male emotion that is acceptable to feminists. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 28/05/22 03:19 AM |
| 27 | I don't believe that Feminism is a hate group. However, I do think that they can be flawed much like we can be.If you could strip feminism to its core ideology, it has some legitimate value. However, in practice, a movement becomes indistinguishable from the people that you attract to it. I, for one, have not come across any feminist space where there aren't pervasive undertones of misandry, if not outright explicit misandry. At best, feminist spaces are a safe space for hateful conduct, but most of them seem to surreptitiously revel in it. LWMA often express hatred toward feminism. Feminist groups often… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/05/22 02:42 AM |
| 9 | Would enthusiastically embracing woke ideology on non-gender matters be a good strategy to get more of the mainstream left on board with us?I see a tendency for people advocating for men to attempt to adopt feminist tactics and language to essentially try to "beat them at their own game". This is a mistake, because it gives some degree of credibility to their logical framework, which is fundamentally flawed. It exists in bad faith solely to justify irrational and persucutorial behavior. It is the problem. So I suggest rejecting their woke ideology altogether. We already have frameworks, such as statistics and the scientific method, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/12/21 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Abortion should stem from reproductive autonomy rights for all gendersThe bodily autonomy argument has always just been a feminist "gotcha" to obscure what they actually want, which is a right to manage to consequences of an unwanted pregnancy/child. I remember browsing places like askfeminists a few years ago. They'd always talk about how its irrelevant whether the fetus is a person; all that matters is that the right to bodily autonomy should never be infringed for any reason. This was hard to refute and worked well for them, because the concept of "bodily auton… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/12/21 02:23 AM |
| 4 | Antipatriarchism: Is is a good label for a "feminism for all genders"? What are your thoughts?I see where you're coming from and appreciate the thought you've put into it, but it doesn't seem to me that most of the issue men face have anything to do with "the patriarchy." Sure, there are some sort of annoying traditional gender expectations that men are burdened with that might fall under this umbrella. But most of the issues men are facing today come from the fact that it's become socially acceptable to be openly sexist toward men. It's ok to set up spaces and institutions that exclude … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 21/11/21 06:22 PM |
| 2 | How much female caution about men is acceptable without being considered misandrist?Side Note: Have you ever noticed that when feminists talk about people avoiding men on the street, they frame it as privilege, yet when they talk about people avoiding black people on the street, they frame it as oppression? There's no thoughtfulness or consistency to any of this. Anyway, public safety is possibly the area where feminists spread the most blatant misinformation, and that leads to a lot of these harmful and irrational stereotypes. I don't necessarily blame the individual who's bei… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/21 10:08 PM |
| 1 | How much female caution about men is acceptable without being considered misandrist?Somebody's size and gender doesn't tell you anything about whether they have a gun, though. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/10/21 10:01 PM |
| 0 | How did intersectionality go from nuance/empathy to oppression olympics?As far as I can tell, "intersectionality" is just another term for what more technical fields would call "multivariate analysis". Many feminists misunderstand this concept to mean we can characterize someone's position in society as the sum of their different identities. This has the implicit assumption that all of these identities interact linearly, which is almost certainly not the case. This misunderstanding results in feminists inappropriately viewing everyone as a simple set of identities, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 10/10/21 05:20 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Ok. Glad you sorted that out. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 03:13 AM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Sure. If somebody is trying to get you to doubt your own experience, you could interrogate them about their understanding of your experience, or you could explain your experience to them. You need to recognize what they're actually attacking and attempting to invalidate are your subjective feelings, so you'll be talking past each other if you respond with objective facts. If they're simply lying about something, you'd be better suited to respond with objective facts. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 01:15 AM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Identifying any tactic somebody is using to manipulate you is helpful in countering it. I'm not saying it's exclusive to gaslighting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/10/21 12:10 AM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Of course it's not right. If it were, it wouldn't be gaslighting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 09:53 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"I'd argue the opposite -- that identifying the tactic they're using better equips you to deconstruct their argument. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 09:35 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Ok, yes, I agree that the masses are mostly just echoing some sort of groupthink. However, I also think there are thought leaders who do carefully and intentionally curate language and phrases to achieve specific outcomes. Feminism has come to rely on a lot of sophistry, and I'm commenting more on the intent behind those narratives than on the individuals who may parrot them. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 08:31 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression""literal gaslighting" and "crazy" Edit: Ok, fine I'll avoid the temptation to be glib. Idiocy does not ascribe intent, for one thing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 08:08 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Yes. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 07:55 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Some people misuse strawmanning; some people use it correctly. Some people misuse gaslighting; some people use it correctly. They're terms that describe specific things that many people find utility in being able to describe succinctly. That's how language works. It's not that deep. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 07:34 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"If you care what I meant in the context of gender issues, I elaborated in said exchange. If you just have some general vendetta against the term "gaslighting", I'd suggest a psychology subreddit or maybe a linguistics subreddit would probably be a better place to instigate that debate. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 04:38 AM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"You're late to the party. We've thoroughly hashed this out. Peruse the thread at your leisure. Cheers. (Also, it's not). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/10/21 03:58 AM |
| 4 | I hate this "women are not machines so women are allowed to force men to do stuff against their will because logic and reasoning is for robots" argument.I don't think it's common for women to promise a date in exchange for work or money, so I think a lot of this logic is based upon a false premise (or at least a hypothetical premise). However, I do agree that the power imbalance in dating often results in women deliberately leading men on in the sort of way to you describe. Women who do this are truly scummy people, but I'd push back strongly on the idea that the men they prey on are owed anything. It's best to just try to learn from those exper… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 09:36 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"It's just strange behavior to go around starting arguments with people because you preferred the way a word was used 80 years ago, or 5 years ago, or whatever. Like, that's a you-problem, dude. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 06:08 PM |
| 0 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"If you actually care, here's a link to the Psychology Today feedback page: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/feedback | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 05/10/21 01:43 AM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"You know what, I'm comfortable taking the definitions used by Psychology Today over those of LettuceBeGrateful. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 11:37 PM |
| 0 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"https://googlethatforyou.com?q=Is%20gaslighting%20a%20form%20of%20brainwashing%3F | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 10:23 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"I said they are not mutually exclusive, not that they are interchangeable. Gaslighting is a form of brainwashing. Brainwashing does not necessarily involve gaslighting. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 10:13 PM |
| 77 | So, AskFeminists finally recognized that we exist....They're incapable of distinguishing between "left wing" and "ultra-woke-progressive", and they're incapable of distinguishing between "criticism of feminism" and "criticism of women". That basically sums up their views of this sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 09:13 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"Brainwashing and gaslighting are not mutually exclusive. That phrase is used to make men question their own perception of reality and their own experiences. Yes, it's gaslighting. Yes, gaslighting is a form a brainwashing. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 08:12 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"A man shares a way in he's been treated unfairly, and is told "No, this is just what it's like be treated equally; you've just had privileges all along." Yet, he's seen that he hasn't actually ever been privileged in this way before (or at least he thought that's what he experienced). He's seen that women aren't being treated unfairly in the way he's being treated (or at least that's what he thought he saw). Yet, he doesn't have any way he can prove it, so there's an inkling of doubt in his mind… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 07:44 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"To be clear, I was using it in the context of the commonly-understood contemporary definition. I can't believe I need to be explicit about that, but it's Reddit so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Gaslighting goes beyond a simple disagreement. It goes beyond a simple lie. It's a specific type of psychological manipulation intended to make people question their perception of reality. That's what gaslighting is commonly understood to mean in 2021, and that's the way I used it in my post. If it do… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 06:11 PM |
| 1 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression""Whow, just whow", "Yikes", "gazlighting", "it's not my job to educate you", "this is not about you", "try harder" and so many more = Brains: off I've noticed a bit of this in this thread. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 05:12 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"I'm not talking about "people who lie". I'm talking about using a phrase designed to make somebody question their own perception of reality and their own experiences. That is the textbook definition of gaslighting (or the wikipedia definition, if you prefer). There's no requirement that it be "prolonged" in order to fit the definition of gaslighting, but I'd argue that men who regularly try to discuss their issues are exposed to that manipulation in a prolonged way. I find it disheartening that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 04:57 PM |
| 3 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"I stand by my use of the word literal, for the record (and my use of the word gaslighting, in case that wasn't clear). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 04:35 PM |
| 2 | It's literal gaslighting when feminists respond to men who bring up the ways they're disadvantaged in society with the phrase "When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"You're wrong. Feminists use that phrase specifically to make men question their own perception of reality and their own experiences, and that's exactly what gaslighting is. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/10/21 04:29 PM |
| 8 | Have you ever wondered one reason why some people feel an aversion to/hate MRAs is because they dismiss/used to dismiss the existence of men's issues?The dismissal of men's issues is a complex problem, but that's part of it. Feminists don't want to give an inch in the sociopolitical discourse, so they hang onto this outdated and incorrect notion that men are categorically privileged and women are categorically oppressed like their lives depend on it. They see men's rights as an existential threat to feminism, because if there's mainstream acknowledgement that men and women both face issues of comparable magnitude, the idea of male privilege t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/10/21 06:57 PM |
| 2 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?It's almost as if vague feminist boogeyman terms like "rape culture" are counterproductive when trying to focus discussion around a specific issue. I'm being a little sarcastic, but I'm actually curious why you thought a post title about rape culture would lead to more productive discussion than a title such as "Are we blind to the glorification of men and boys being raped?" To actually answer your question, I read the title and skimmed the post, and then I chose to focus my response on the ques… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/10/21 04:43 PM |
| 18 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?I don't know you or your friends, so I don't have any insight on your personal experiences. However, I'd encourage you to look beyond your personal experiences when trying to draw conclusions about societal dynamics. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 05:24 PM |
| 19 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?Their perception would differ because they view everything through the lens of gender, even when an issue isn't gendered. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Public safety does not appear to be a strongly gendered issue, so the average woman would view a lack of pubic safety as a crime problem. A feminist woman would view it as a result of her gender. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 05:10 PM |
| 24 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?It's specifically feminist women who live in fear of this, and it's because feminists tell them they should live in fear. The data tell a contrary story. There's a common talking point among feminists that men are safe to walk alone at night, and women aren't. Yet, men are far more often the victims of violent crime in public, by a ratio of roughly 3:1. Public safety is not the gendered issue that feminists make it out to be. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 05:00 PM |
| 11 | Is there really a rape culture we're blind to?No, in my opinion there is no rape culture in the US -- but this is likely just a question of semantics. Yes, there's still some work to be done on the severity with which certain types of sexual assault are discussed (particularly when committed against men). Yes, there's still some work to be done to make sure everybody has a clear understanding of consent. And the list goes on. If that's the bar people are using for deciding if we live in a rape culture, then it's just a disagreement on the l… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/09/21 03:35 PM |
| 8 | Democrats Continue to Struggle With Men of ColorLet's take an example. The democratic party seems to portray police brutality is the biggest issue facing black men. The statistics show that black people are 2 to 3 times more likely to be killed by police than white people, but they also show is that men are 16 to 17 times more likely to be killed by police than women. Yet the conversation within the democratic party around how to address the issue of police brutality against black men focuses only on race, and promotes the idea being male is … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/09/21 03:15 PM |
| 2 | How to respond to "men's problems are caused by other men": yes, that's internalized misandry.As you're describing it, there's really not a meaningful distinction between "misandry" and "internalized misandry". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 11:33 PM |
| 6 | How to respond to "men's problems are caused by other men": yes, that's internalized misandry.Gotcha, I see where you're coming from. To me, internalized misogyny/misandry ascribes at least some hatred toward one's own gender -- generally subconscious hatred. I guess that's part of the problem I have with these feminist terms. They're purposefully nebulous so that feminists can assign whatever meaning suits them at the time. I certainly agree that plenty of men hold beliefs that are harmful to men, but I don't think it's usually because they hate men, consciously or subconsciously. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 02:36 AM |
| 7 | How to respond to "men's problems are caused by other men": yes, that's internalized misandry.I'd suspect that most of the issues where it might be applied would be better explained by class dynamics or societal norms than any sort of internalized self-loathing. I just haven't seen that happening on any sort of widespread level. I'm not here to shoot anyone down, though, and I'll be interested in reading what others have to say about why they think it's a valuable concept. Just offering my take. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/09/21 01:26 AM |
| 53 | How to respond to "men's problems are caused by other men": yes, that's internalized misandry.I see where you're coming from, but I'd suggest we avoid mirroring feminist nonsense phrases. Things like femsplaining, or toxic feminity, or womanspreading always feel to me like they miss the mark. They don't exist, just as their male counterparts don't exist. There really is no such thing as internalized misandry, just as there's no such thing as internalized misogyny (or mansplaining, or toxic masculinity, or man spreading). It sounds fun to give feminists a taste of their own sophistry, but… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/21 11:53 PM |
| 9 | Reflecting on Shoe0nhead's gender issues debateIt's really frustrating to me how anytime feminists discuss men's issues, it's with a very tepid, menslib-esque demeanor. There's never any indication feminists have any desire to sincerely understand men's experiences, much less be allies in solving them. I mean, you can't claim to be in support of men's issues while also claiming the best lens for solving them is to view all of these issues as "privileges" -- it makes absolutely no sense. It feels like they're exploiting men's issues to raise … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/09/21 05:26 PM |
| 4 | Modern feminists thrive on male suffering at worst, and ignore any of our issues at best. Why shouldn't I start voting red?Do you care about income inequality? Do you care about climate change? Do you want policies that are based on science rather than conspiracies? These are all important areas where I think the democrats have a far better vision for the country than republicans. Both sides have their crazies (the left has feminism and identity politics, the right has the qanon anti-vax crowd), but that emphasizes the importance of voting in the primaries, so you can help shape the direction of the democratic party… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/08/21 11:45 PM |
| 13 | Why is "the male experience" so ill-informed?Frankly, it's because it's written by female feminists to fit an almost-entirely dogmatic belief system. I would doubt that much of what they say is even informed by men in their lives. The male experience is preached to be the way it is because in order for things to fit feminsts' broader ideas of how the world works, it just would have to be that way. They never stop to think or ask about whether it's actually the way things are. If you preach it loudly enough to a crowd that wants to believe … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/08/21 04:04 PM |
| 10 | Do you think women can be privileged in their choice of occupation.It's certainly not true for all women, but it's very true for the class of women who tend to identify as feminists (middle/upper-middle class women). These women generally either have a wealthier family to help support them, and/or uphold hypergamy in dating such that they have a high-earning husband to help support them. This gives them the luxury of treating work as a hobby, rather than a necessity. Men and lower-class women are forced to prioritize finances over their passions, and end up hav… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/08/21 03:50 PM |
| 4 | Thoughts on Cancel CultureThe sad truth is that it seems to be human nature to enjoy bullying people. People get some sadistic pleasure from watching people's lives be ruined, and will look for any moral highground to "hold somebody accountable". Public executions sound barbaric to us now, but in the past, people had justified the practice because they were just "holding people accountable". That said, I think it's great when celebrities are held legally/publicly accountable for truly abusing their power -- good riddance… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/21 04:56 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?Women were in the workforce long before this glorification of having a job by modern feminists. All modern feminists did was promote the idea that work is a privilege as opposed to a necessity, and normalize the two-income household. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/21 01:46 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?I agree that the strawman you just refuted is incorrect. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 19/06/21 01:00 PM |
| 25 | On Men, Gender Conformity, and Woke Spaces."Fragile masculinity" is the feminist way of saying "man up". "Emotional labor" is the feminist way of saying "don't show your emotions". "Male privilege" is the feminist way of saying "men should put women and children first". | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/06/21 06:13 PM |
| 2 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?The market is very efficient. Corporations were able to exploit the female workforce faster than families could benefit from it. They're more than willing to pay women in the "self-actualization" feminists have convinced them jobs provide, and the CEOs are laughing all the way to the bank. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/21 04:29 PM |
| 2 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?I'll break it down for you. Single men had no choice but to work, just as single women had no choice but to work. They did it because they need money to survive. Partnered men who went to work for somebody did so because they and their families decided that it made sense for their family to break down the work so that the man went to work for somebody and the women took care of the house/children. Partnered men who chose to stay at home rather than work did so because they and their families dec… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/21 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?Women had always been able to choose to work, and men had always been able to choose to be stay-at-home partners. All feminists have done is normalize two-income households. Real wages have adjusted accordingly, and now most people no longer have the choice to be a stay-at-home partner. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/21 02:25 PM |
| 1 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?Having a job is the literal opposite of financial independence or self-actualization. Yes, men have goals and dreams, but they're about leaving their job and not having to work for somebody anymore. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/21 01:32 PM |
| 3 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?Women have always had a chance to make money. You're not seriously under the impression that feminists pushed for this because all of the unmarried women were otherwise starving out on the street, are you? It's only more recently that feminists have framed working as a privilege rather than a necessity, though. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 15/06/21 03:25 AM |
| 2 | Is feminism an example of 'mimetic desire'?I've always been a bit confounded by the feminist idea that the "opportunity" of having a career is an advantage. Like, you see men spending their lives working all day to make somebody else rich and you....you want that? It was great for corporations, though. With all the feminists wanting in on this great "opportunity", employers have been able to hold real wages flat. Now it takes two full incomes to support a household in most places, so men and women are both expected to work full time. A t… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/06/21 04:20 PM |
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