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2	My ex girlfriend got pregnant and refused to abort.. Now I've discovered I've got terminal cancer If she's able physically or willing psychologically to call the police. Not all women use that as an instant go-to. Some do. And if a man actually beats a women, then she's not the one doing the metaphorical fucking. My point is that the argument that "every single woman can go bad" is the same type of logic feminists use when they say "every man is a rapist/violent person". It's a generalization, and generalizations are harmful in both directions.	/r/MensRights	29/02/12 12:22 AM
2	My ex girlfriend got pregnant and refused to abort.. Now I've discovered I've got terminal cancer And most men have more physical power than most women. There are inequalities on both ends. If a man "goes bad" on a woman...well, she's fucked too. Doesn't mean you can't trust anyone.	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 08:24 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry There is a difference to me, and a lot of pro-choice individuals. For me, human life is about having a developed nervous system, neurons enough to feel pain. That process doesn't finish for a few months. For you, life is about something else. If we have different definitions of life, then we fundamentally disagree on this issue and probably just have to accept that.	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 08:01 PM
1	Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem Right. But many people twist that "reasonable person" argument by including alcohol as part of the situation a reasonable person can get into, as I described to logicalwhiteknight, and people get convinced by that argument. I just think it's important to define what you mean by a reasonable person when using that argument. Also, I meant proof in an empirical, not a legal sense. Testimony is not proof "beyond reasonable doubt" even if it suffices in court.	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 06:51 PM
1	Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem I agree with you there. I just wish everyone did. I pointed out what I did because I've seen people get convinced that nobody would buy their true story since no reasonable person could notice signs of resistance when intoxicated, and that's, like you said, just untrue. And it's sad that people manipulate the argument in this way. I just think it's important to define the parameters of "reasonable" if one is going to use that argument, and you did, very well. So thank you!	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 06:48 PM
1	Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem I see what you're saying. It makes sense. What I wanted to point out was the potential for inclusion of intoxication in the "situation" of the reasonable person. My fear is that someone would use that inclusion to say this: "If a totally reasonable person who normally would see signs of resistance got drunk, that totally reasonable person may not be able to perceive the resistance, no matter how reasonable they were." Therefore, not rape. I've seen that argument made, and I find it to be false. …	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 06:11 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Killing you is not abortion. Also, your mother chose not to abort you, and so you are alive. I said "right" to abort. Not "obligation".	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 06:04 PM
3	Harvard student trivializes the false rape problem I agree with most of this article, but I do have one question about this quote: "the actual test for rape/sexual assault focuses instead on whether a person in the position of the male would have reasonably understood the woman's words and conduct to manifest consent." Based on this quote, what happens if a drunk individual (male or female) actually does rape another person in the most conventional of senses - "victim" says no, expresses emotional distress, makes physical moves to stop the indiv…	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 05:27 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry You too!	/r/MensRights	28/02/12 12:27 AM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, I didn't mean to say that you should switch the problem from one group to the other, more that the whole idea of having it be one gender's "fault" is irrelevant. And I agree about the internet. I try to bear in mind when I'm here that it's a very specific perspective on human interaction.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 11:21 PM
4	The Idiocy In The Male Circumcision "Debate" \| Lez Get Real It's just the wrong argument. Why would she put up female genital mutilation as the thing to compare circumcision to? People rarely say "we shouldn't circumcise our kid because it's worse than female genital mutilation." It's a false argument. There are a lot of things that aren't as bad as female genital mutilation. Example: portrayal of only a certain body type in the media. Many women, I think, aren't a fan of this. Is it as bad as cutting off clitorises? Of course not! But that doesn't mean …	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 08:10 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Awesome. I like it.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 08:00 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Right on! And we, the egalitarian/WRA/omnigender-positive/whatevers of reddit feel the same way about men and the plethora of gnarly body image expectations that they face too. Look at that. Productive, body-positive inter-gender conversation. Femperial scorntroopers, take note: this isn't rocket science.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:33 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Don't worry, you didn't seem harsh. It's all good.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:24 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Good point. Have you read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut? It's a dystopian story about enforcing equality at the expense of liberty. I think you'd like it, that is if you haven't read it already.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:22 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Interesting analogy. It's hard to decide when a movement crosses a line you disagree with enough to break away. There had to be at least one guy who joined the "Free Committee for a German Workers' Peace" in 1918 expecting a nice middle-class workers movement, stayed with the party for a year or so and then turned around one day and realized his party had morphed into a bunch of other parties and now only wanted to support Aryans with social welfare. NOT what he signed up for. This is not compar…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:17 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, as I said in my response to spontaneousaccount, I'd love to totally reclaim "feminism" but I don't really know how I'd go about making there be more nonsexist, egalitarian feminists than misandric ones. As awesome as it would be to start a man-loving feminist faction and reclaim the term for our own through massive community organization, I'm in the middle of job applications and I need to prioritize that. So I'm just going to avoid the word for now.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:07 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry I like it. It's going in the lexicon. :)	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:03 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry This is very interesting. I'm glad you pointed out that there's this division in feminism/women's rights activism but not within men's rights activism. It seems like there's the danger of conflation in both situations: people assuming that women's rights activism = misandric feminism, AND people saying bs like "MRAs don't support women" because they ran into a few extreme ones. I guess the best we can do is to use the "rights activism" terms, keep an open mind and keep our fingers crossed that o…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 06:01 PM
1	Genuine question from a woman against misandry This is a good point. It's kind of hard to draw the line of when "too many" feminists make misandric comments for me to want to identify as one anymore. There will always be a few crazies, but this subreddit seems to think (at least in the faq) that feminism has come to mean this institutionalization of female-rights-over-male-rights ideology. There's a lot of room for "no-true-scotsman" arguments about feminism, so I can just never make conclusive statements about what it means ("Not all femini…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 05:49 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Good question. Honestly, I don't have a 100% answer for you there. I don't think the people who raised me were lying, I think they probably just thought the same thing I did, especially since they were born in a time period when there actually were a lot more obstacles for women than there are now (way more sexism in the workplace in the 50's, for instance.) So they saw feminism as just about equality, plain and simple, not about taking away the rights of men, but just making sure women got thos…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 05:40 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry This makes sense. I should clarify. I didn't mean to say that these issues cannot be cared about my men, but that this caring is directed at the wives, daughters, etc. Similarly, I would say there are issues specific to men that I care about a great deal as a woman, because I have a boyfriend//male friends/father/cousins/may have a son someday. But these issues concern me in the context of the men that I know. I agree that many MRA's care deeply about women, that's why I came here for my questio…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 05:29 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry If a woman rapes a man then I think the dad should be allowed to opt out by all means. As far as I'm concerned, if someone rapes (either gender) they'll have a really hard time arguing to me for their rights in whatever comes of that rape, baby or otherwise. By "the case of rape" I meant the case of receiving, not giving rape. My bad for not specifying. I agree about the feminism losing its meaning thing, which is why I'm looking for a female-positive but not male-negative alternative.	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 03:30 AM
3	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, that's true. The thing is, I'd like there to be a movement that stands for women in a less destructive way. women already have a loud voice to ensure their rights...men do not which is why I advocate for men's rights in whatever way I can. Women of course deserve rights like any human being...but let's face it, with radical feminism silencing the voice of men who need to have social and legal inequalities eliminated, someone needs to call them out for their BS to make things right. The thi…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 02:51 AM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, that's true. I guess there's sort of a larger debate here, to which I don't know the answer, about the benefits of labeling and working with a "movement" as distinct from another one, and being able to organize under that movement, as opposed to the disadvantages of factioning off into the land of the infinitesimal. If you're not totally done with this conversation (I'd understand if you are :) I'm curious about one more thing. Since you're a member of this subreddit, I assume you've inter…	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 02:29 AM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry I guess there's just very few people who will come out and say things against children in the public sphere. Conversely, people will say very negative things specific to women and specific to men. Insulting comments about a woman's body, or stereotyping a single father as a "deadbeat dad". That sort of thing. It seems like it would be beneficial to be able to say, with a specific word, "No, I do not support these kind of statements. They spread misconceptions about men and women." I think there …	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 12:23 AM
3	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, true, I was more referring to speaking out against politicians who don't think women should be allowed to abort, even in some cases of rape, or to get health care for said abortions. Supporting the continuation of the right to have abortion. And male reproductive rights - I was primarily using the abortion thing as an example of a situation where you could speak about something that applied to women. One could say the same re: LPS and men	/r/MensRights	27/02/12 12:12 AM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry Yeah, divorce laws make very little sense to me, particularly after having seen them in effect firsthand (not my own divorce, but that of someone close to me). Too many people who abuse the laws, not enough parameters set for preventing this abuse. Textbook example of how I (and others) misused the word "feminist" when we certainly didn't mean "pro-alimony".	/r/MensRights	26/02/12 11:58 PM
5	Genuine question from a woman against misandry That makes a lot of sense for most things. But what would you recommend regarding, say, male circumcision or oral contraception? It's hard to say I take an egalitarian stance on these issues. Egalitarian seems almost perfect, I guess I'd like to tweak it a tiny bit for my own purposes to mean supporting equal rights wherever they can apply and the human rights that are specific to both genders and can't be addressed unilaterally. Omnigender rights/positivity/enfranchisement/justice or something.	/r/MensRights	26/02/12 11:37 PM
2	Genuine question from a woman against misandry That's a good point, and I agree. I guess the main application for this isn't to label myself. It's for a situation where, someone says, for instance "I take the feminist stance on female-specific issue X" when they really mean it's more of a gender-specific-human-rights-stance. And I'd like to be able to point out that there are some pretty sexist ideas involved in "feminism", so maybe that's not the best word to use, try this instead! I do think that eliminating labels altogether is ideal. I j…	/r/MensRights	26/02/12 11:22 PM