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No word of a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 10:37 PM
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Quality content
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/21 08:39 PM
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Look it’s an interesting debate tbh and one could either side on this one. There’s no correct answer. But I’ve chosen mine. If I work my ass off and decide to have kids to carry on my legacy me having earned by wealth is passed forward onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 03:31 PM
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I am saying that tho. People are responsible for the children they decide to birth. Inheritance is earned (to some extent not as much as being self made obviously) due being born to parents who earned their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 01:56 PM
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His parents earned it and his parents decided to birth him. He isn’t self-made as much as his parents. Let’s say not all parents are equal and that’s why not all kids grow up in equal conditions. No one forced poor people’s parents to have kids if they couldn’t afford them. Somewhere down the line one of the those rich kid’s ancestors was dirt poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 12:48 PM
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Bruh I know all about that. When people decide to have children they are responsible for setting up the it lives. They are do continuing their family legacy with money they earned fair and square. Wanna talk about handouts the government takes a portion of that inheritance and hands it out to poor parents who didn’t earn shit and made stupid decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:23 AM
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But it’s not a handout. It’s generation after generation making smart decisions so set up their children. In general poor people had poor and/or stupid parents. I think you’re missing the point. I’m not saying that poor people are bad or stupid people. But im general if you deserved to get something you’ll get it. Deserving meaning being able to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:19 AM
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Inheritance is not evil. Smart parents set their their kids up to have a better life than they did. I don’t believe poor people are necessarily stupid, but if they deserved to be millionaires they would be. Jeff Bezos isn’t just some guy abusing workers and profiting off of their labor. He got to where he is because of ingenuity. If you don’t like what he has to offer than don’t buy his service or take the jobs he’s offering. We’re all free to pursue what we want in life. And we’re responsible f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 11:04 AM
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Inheritance is parents making smart decisions. Anyways, the majority are self-made.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 10:53 AM
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“Capitalism is god’s way of determining who is smart and who is poor” The outcome of your life is up to you and the decisions you make based on your own intellect. As long as your movement is free and unrestricted you have no excuses. Millionaires and billionaires don’t go to some special class that teaches them how to become millionaires and billionaires. They don’t ask for or get handed the job of being a billionaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 10:47 AM
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Just finished Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged recently. And I honestly agree with most of it. Corporations (smart people) will gladly use people. But those people have the freedom to take those or jobs or not. Imo the main mistake she makes is the assumption that everyone is intelligent, logical, ethical, and introspective when most people are not by a mile. The blue collar characters in her books are all intellectual with high moral ideals. Reality is quite different. It’s closer to a vision fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/21 09:12 AM
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I am a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 10:50 PM
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Not exactly. That’s not what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 10:48 PM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 10:44 PM
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What I’m trying to say im this post. Is that all those superficial markers are irrelevant it’s simply about socialization. And after a certain age you either are or you aren’t. Once a loser will always be a losers. Advising people to lift their therapist in the shower or whatever can’t change a zero into a hero.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 10:43 PM
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Too much to ask for?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 10:13 PM
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25
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:26 PM
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That’s what I’m saying. All this advice is bogus. You either are or you aren’t. The problem isn’t a lack of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:13 PM
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Only times someone has liked me romantically was in school after they had to be with me every day for years basically. And yeah people don’t want to be friends with me. Literally no one has ever msged me first.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:10 PM
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I’m 6’4, workout multiple days a week, shower on average twice a day, always well dressed, sharp fade every other week, go to therapy every other week, always working on myself, always been respectful with women never been too sexually aggressive, confident and well spoken. It’s irrelevant because there’s a bad energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 09:09 PM
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Has anyone here ever actually seen or heard of a guy who was actually able to transform himself from zero to hero? I’m talking about an adult man with no friends, no experience, socially awkward, etc. go from that to dating and being seen as a normal guy and having friends. I really feel like maybe some people just are like that. Like we have no choice or free will actually. There are losers and winners. I don’t want to turn this into a sob story about me so let’s just keep it about a hypothetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 08:30 PM
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Elaborate on that please
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 03:36 PM
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Ooooh the sweet burn of rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 01:54 PM
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This is the dream tbh. Teach me how.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 03:46 PM
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My date could be going better. It’s time to animorph into a goat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/21 08:17 PM
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Ladies and scrotes of PPD: You meet me a 25 year old male at a party through mutual friends. When the topic of dating comes up it’s revealed that I often pursue women much older than me and that I’ve dated several women between 10 and 20 years older than me. What kind of assumptions do you immediately make about me as a person? For reference: I’m 6’4 and slim with some muscle definition and fashionably dressed. Don’t hold anything back.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 01:29 PM
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They certainly are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 06:55 PM
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And I have been blessed by a comment from another goat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 06:50 PM
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I am one step closer to becoming a goat.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/21 06:38 PM
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In general, I only associate with people who read.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:37 PM
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Anyone else have an irrational fear of commenting with the details of their dating life here lest their partner find them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:31 PM
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0th percentile. Taller than 99.98% of men in my country. Seems bogus tho, I see men taller than me every other day (at the gym).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 08:27 AM
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Ooh so close
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 10:05 PM
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I think Jeff Bezos vs Elon Musk is a good example of what is meant by nice guy vs bad boy. It’s not necessarily kindness vs cruelty. It’s just how a reputation can be established for someone that makes everything they do positive or makes everything they do seen in a negative light. Women are quick to put guys into one of two categories and it’s hard to change those first impressions. Your actions after that are sort of negligible because she’s already decided which category you’re in. It’s not …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 03:57 PM
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Calvin Klein was the bad boy tho. New kid from out of town all that. George was old reliable: boring, predictable, shy, nice guy. Perfect example of Chad vs virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:23 AM
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Giving up sex too early is the same for women. I stand by my idea. It would combine the commonalities, bridge the gaps and bring people together rather than creating another bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:40 AM
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I think a dating advice sub with the only rule being no mention of gender would be an interesting and new idea. It would expose a lot of the hypocrisy and double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:25 AM
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Agree to disagree then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 08:18 PM
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To me Chad isn’t just a physical thing it’s a persona. First I’ve heard of a beta or awkward guy being called a Chad. Goes against the definition commonly used.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 05:35 PM
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It’s a tough one tbh. Just sharing my outlook. Even women will look at ‘mismatched’ couples and say “he’s probably rich” or women will explain their boyfriend by saying “he’s such a sweetheart”. Obviously they will be with him for a combination of factors not purely off his looks. That’s why saying ‘attracted to him’ might me misleading. They are probably attracted to how he might make them feel etc. whether he’s a fun guy, the full package. That’s why defining attracted is important in studies …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:14 PM
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Respectfully disagree. Obviously confident masculine ‘alpha’ types tend to be physically attractive but it’s not the definition. Also if he’s socially awkward then he’s not a Chad. I’m 6’4 with a six pack. That doesn’t automatically make me a Chad in most situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:09 PM
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It depends on how the researchers or women participants defined ‘attracted to’. There’s a big difference in what women are attracted to for a one night stand or for a relationship or for marriage. In fact, being tall and fit as a man might work against you sometimes because women might assume you’re a player/fuccboi or will cheat on them. Man women are not attracted to such guys because of previous bad experiences or quick assumptions. Attraction is complicated. A women could seek a relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 11:23 AM
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Story of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 06:03 PM
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Based as a mofo
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:46 AM
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Have you done any shrooms/LSD? I’m in a really dark place right now. And basically in this exact situation. My therapist wants to put me on pills, but I’m worried about taking them. My friend takes psychedelics, but I don’t know I’d it’s good idea in my current state.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/21 08:16 AM
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🏅
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 11:16 PM
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Yeah I’m a guy on reddit. Nothing to be ashamed of. Hit me with some evidence for your claims instead of trying to attack who I am. You’re some chick on reddit. Nothing better about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:54 PM
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Because that’s how wild your claims are. It’s something that’s literally common knowledge enough to the point where it’s can’t really be refuted. You’re basically a flat earther in this argument. You came out saying no scientists or scholar has ever proven this. And the people who believe this are extremists. Those are pretty wild claims. So yeah literally just go out and ask anybody outside your bubble about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:52 PM
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Chill sister. I replied to your claims. Even though they are random and not backed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:32 PM
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I’ve already had one useless debate today. There’s plenty of data and research papers that address this. Plenty of real life examples. Talk to anyone about on the street. 9/10 people men or women will admit to it. The phenomen also exists in friendships and coworkers. Literally any psychologist psychiatrist whatever who actively observed this stuff will describe the same phenomenon in their own terms. So that’s the exact opposite of what you wrote. And then ‘online extremists’ really? If you rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:27 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:19 PM
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Found the femcel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:13 PM
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Nice try but no.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 08:04 PM
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Point one: I already addressed this very clearly in the previous comment. Women are not absolved of personal responsibility for their actions. You may not be asking guys out, but women are the choosers. Stop trying to shift blame for everything on to men. Women are adults who are capable of making their own decisions. This is nonsensical argument. Just because most women don’t ‘chase’ doesn’t mean they don’t prefer certain guys to others. Doesn’t mean they don’t open doors for certain guys and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:51 PM
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Before marrying you never hooked up? Or fantasized about hooking up? You were never flustered while talking to a guy you found attractive? Exciting doesn’t mean extreme sports btw. Also I’m sure your husband is flattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:36 PM
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When the based god calls you based you know you’re doing something right.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:32 PM
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You’re so desperate to prove me wrong. You just keep changing the topic. You want to put all the blame on men. Men may approach, but women choose who to ignore and who to respond to. Who to send signals to and who to block. Who to go out with and who to go home with. Men shoot their shot with a lot of women. Women choose one man out of their options. Why can’t you as an adult women acknowledge any responsibility for that decision. Do you have no free will? No one is judging you. You have complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:29 PM
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You don’t think boring women are looking for excitement? Btw women who do this are not problematic. Otherwise, according to you 90% of women are problematic. They’re just women going after the guys that have the most exciting vibe, like the ones in the stories and songs they grew up consuming. They’re just having fun. And men have no problem with that at all. As long as you’re honest about your decisions and stop complaining. And stop trying to convince us it’s all in our heads. Take responsibil…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 01:10 PM
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Why are you so desperate to refute this? Why does it disturb you so much to acknowledge AF/BB is real? Right on queue. “You’re just going after the hot girls and ignoring the average girls.” It’s the same circle of femcel talking points that all the women here have memorized. No we don’t only notice and go after hot women. We’ve seen the nerdy girls do it, the artsy girls, the fit girls, the chubby girls, younger girls, older women, the shy girls, the party girls. AWALT. Some are able to be hone…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 12:59 PM
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She was trying to explain away the bad boys vs nice guys thing, by claiming it’s just a certain small group of women with a particular personality. As other women have tried to do here before. However, it’s generally accepted that AWALT. Plenty of women are open about this. Just listen to any young female oriented podcast or content. Even older women encourage younger women to have their fun before finding a good man. Women here are just so caught up in trying to find a gotcha to prove that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 12:54 PM
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It is certainly not a small niche of women. It’s an age old tale and couldn’t be more common. Not all women act on it, but ‘bad boys’ are the ones who are arousing. Some prioritize loyalty or stability. Some get burned and ‘mature’. But the effect that these men’s reputation have on women is clear. Almost every guy has seen how their female friends, relatives, coworkers, or SOs respond in conversation to a guy she knows to be a popular stud, player, bad boy versus how she responds to you. I don’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 12:41 PM
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I’m gonna have to disagree on this one. Just seems like you’re trying to frame it as women are all empathetic, innocent, gentle angels being taken advantage of by the narcissistic, evil men. Why is it so hard for women to admit this simple thing which everyone in the world has observed? Some guys get treated a certain way and others get treated a certain way. Some are boring some are exciting. Some are confident and some are not. Some have options and don’t care about you some are focused on you…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/21 12:03 PM
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Talk to any guy in the world from Uruguay to Siberia and I can guarantee 90% will have observed this at some point in their lives. Every guy in the world has watched a female friend or family member make stupid relationship decisions and then complain about wanting a kind man. I wasn’t always frustrated and lonely. This is just where I’ve ended up after years. I’m well aware of my weaknesses and I’m actively working on myself. I never said being nice was my only problem. But niceness adds to lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 05:11 PM
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We should have more empathy for lonely frustrated men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:57 PM
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Watched a movie called The Double today. Anyone else seen it? It’s like a cross between Fight Club and the Joker. I found it unnervingly relatable and I imagine it will be too for any lonely, socially awkward guys out here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:56 PM
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I’m willing to consider that everything I believe might be wrong if you can provide a better philosophy. But every guy in the world has observed this very pattern with their own two eyes. It’s common enough that the problem can’t be denied. As for a solution for a socially awkward, frustrated, desperate, and yes actually nice guy who talks to girls like humans and takes interest in their lives and doesn’t just immediately get sexual but is still considered a creep or weirdo? What solution do I h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 04:51 PM
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Spot on. Unfortunately, women won’t change because these are the guys they actually like. Women don’t want decent kind good guys. Women are already the ones doing the approaching in a way. Men exhibit their personalities in different ways whether through talking to you like human/listening or being sexually aggressive right away. And then women choose which guys to ignore and which to send signals to. The things is if you‘re a girl who wants to have fun it’s a lot easier and quicker with the guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 01:59 PM
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I’ve got enough problems in my life. I’m not looking to add the responsibility of maintaining the interest and fickle attraction of a girl for the rest of my life by having to read her mind and being the perfect balance of provider and rebel bad boy. That’s an extra job and not the kind of partnership I’m looking for. It’s not the worth the effort tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 03:38 PM
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That’s kind of a catch-22. If you have to become anything by definition you aren’t independent and non-needy. I already am all those things, but having to prove it all the time and be that and only that is a chore. Molding yourself to be the ideal man and covering up the other stuff just makes me not want the woman I would end up with. You want someone who’s mature enough to be able to handle a full human with flaws and all, not demand an idealised version. I’m also talking about having to ‘main…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 12:09 PM
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Several good points have already been made, but I will add that: I don’t want the kind of woman that would be impressed by TRP tactics. Unfortunately, these tend to be women who’ve already been burned and then ‘matured’ or would gladly branch swing if a better opportunity appeared. TRP says all women are like this, but I believe that there are women who are introspective and intelligent enough to not spend their lives chasing the bad boy and making the same mistakes over and over again talking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 11:16 AM
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I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the aggressive masculine jock types are the bad guys of the show. The whole big loud man is just overcompensating for his small dick and fragile male ego and then gets beaten up by a girl scene is such a lazy stupid trope and straight feminist fantasy propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:48 PM
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It’s a cartoon so everyone’s got a perfect face pretty much. I think it’s the storyline that the beautiful girls are apparently repulsed by the confident aggressive athletic masculine men and chase shy awkward comic book nerds. “If you just wait and be a good polite nice guy and defend woman the beautiful women will realize those confident boys are trouble and come to you.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:51 PM
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I would say this plot is already a gynocentric woke feminist fantasy battling masculinity and the evil patriarchy. Entertainment is entertaining but this fantasy is intentionally trying to re-educate young men about how masculinity is evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:35 PM
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Anyone watched Invincible off amazon prime? I’m a couple episodes in. I’m in my mid 20s now, but this is the kind of show I would have loved when I was in school. The main character is supposedly awkward/shy/nerdy and into comic books though he is of course tall/fit with a perfect face. (SPOILERS) He confronts the big aggressive masculine popular jock from his school after he was flirting with a girl (white knight). The girl is immediately very forward with him and gets him his number. Meanwhile…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 04:53 PM
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Exactly, thank you for being honest. All women’s dating advice for men is bullshit. And the reason TRP/manosphere frustrates women so much is because it means ‘undesirable’ men improving themselves and mixing in with naturally successful men making it harder for you to tell who is who.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:07 PM
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Women who die on the hill of ‘women don’t have it any easier in dating’ always get real quiet when you ask them to wing you or help set you up because they know how difficult it actually is. ‘You just aren’t putting in enough effort’ I know I could give any girl a makeover and make her a head turner. Could you do that for the average guy? Do you think you could set up the average guy with a hookup or girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:49 PM
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Imo girls who say the bar is so low might have reasonable standards for the kind of partner they want, but don’t have reasonable standards for how they’re actually going to meet. I think they imagine that they will somehow bump into this guy in one of the limited places they hang out, and even though she acts put off by guys approaching her and men being too forward somehow he’s going to charm her, and even though she will put in minimal effort somehow they’re going to bump into each other again…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:51 PM
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Well he can still offer you that.. with a side of actually caring about you and treating you with respect. It can be annoying when you have to listen to most women drone on about men constantly hitting on you, being pushy for sex to quickly, being selfish in bed, not sticking around, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:58 PM
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Why is a guy who treats you with respect and isn’t pushy for sex such a turn off? I’m not talking about simps or NiceGuys^ tm, just men who genuinely talk to you like a human being and don’t aggressively start working on getting you in bed as soon as they meet you. Why is that so disgusting to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 08:05 PM
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Yes, but we approach women with respect based on what we were taught by women/media... and we stay lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 08:04 PM
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You just proved OPs point. Men who have never and would never say things like that, aren’t considered men. Because women are so used to hearing and repeating to each other that all men behave like that and obviously they have men like that chasing them, so they don’t see or recognize that there are other kinds of men. When they encounter a man who isn’t aggressive like that, they assume he’s gay or treat him like one of their girlfriends not as a potential partner (i.e they don’t see him as a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 03:03 PM
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Great comment, Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 01:10 PM
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Yes. I’m the perfect example of this. Your vibe/energy/confidence/aura/presence/frame/personality etc. is unironically the most important thing. I’m working on it, but honestly most days it feels impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:58 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 07:04 PM
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I see your point. This post describes me pretty accurately. I myself am focused on self improvement in my life atm, working out, mental health, career, etc. I’m definitely neurotic and anxious about life. I have to remind myself to let loose and go with the flow. I’ve seen it be off putting to the exact women I want to attract, which goes to show have women’s advice to hit the gym and put more effort in can be misleading. Actually, the harder you try and the further away your goals will move. Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/21 11:58 AM
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Just cause you read self help advice on the internet doesn’t mean you’re an evil member of the evil manosphere. Can we stop demonizing men for everything they try to do? Especially since in this case it’s taking responsibility for our failures and working on improving ourselves. What’s wrong with that? You said ‘’most men want to settle with just one women that he likes” and you’re right. Do you think that “our expectations vastly exceed our reality”? You’re making fun of men for “going to the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/21 01:12 PM
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Yeah I feel similarly
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 08:49 PM
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I’m sure you’re right. But I was thinking more how would you look at the persons in the relationships. Would you consider the guy creepy? That he can’t get someone his own age? Would you respect a guy who’s got a teenage girlfriend as much as a guy who’s got one his own age? Would you be worried that the girl is being taken advantage of? Of course, it could be the other way around as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 08:27 PM
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How do you feel about a 25 year old guy in a relationship with an 18 year old girl? I was just thinking how completely fudged up it is that many pornstars are around that age. And fresh ones join the industry every month. Men of all ages watch that, but it would be creepy if you were dating a girl that age. The general formula is she can’t be younger than half your age plus seven. What are your thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 08:02 PM
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This last month, I've gotten the opportunity to hang out with a couple different groups of guys for the first time in many years (no lockdown in my country, not affected by that). Last week, I also talked a little bit to one girl, but didn't get her name or number. Tonight, I got invited to hang out with a group, and it was my first social event with a girl in a few years. Autism is an absolute killer. It's like a parasite spreading out of your mouth. It's heartbreaking to feel so misunderstood …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 11:09 PM
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I agree with your sentiment, except that being sexually attractive shouldn’t just be for women. Ideally, both partners should equally desire each other, don’t you think? You’re setting it up as if the man is expected to bring finances to the table in exchange for the women giving him the privilege of her beautiful time and beautiful attention. I don’t think it’s illogical to expect to be desired for something other than finances. The idea that the women is expected to be pleasing to the eye so t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 03:36 PM
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I think it can go either way. Porn also gives unrealistic expectations to women about men’s size and ability to perform. I think men set impossible standards for themselves and feel inadequate as much as having unfair expectations from their partners. And social media can definitely give unrealistic expectations for partners. Especially with everyone showing off their partners and seemingly perfect relationships, fancy gifts and romantic gestures etc. #relationshipgoals I think the whole 6 foot …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 05:51 PM
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Caught me off guard cause I’m actually well known among female friends for being the one guy with the power to recognize attractive and charismatic men. I’ve been called a gay a lot for it. Anyways, Don’s charisma is grossly overrated. Take away his face and his money and you’ve got a wet mop.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:56 PM
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Hi
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:49 PM
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He basically never changes his facial expression and is always sighing with exhaustion. People like that are a drain to be around in real life and are rarely at the core of any social circle. Pete’s judgement doesn’t mean a lot. As for his lady friends it’s jut unrealistic. He just sits there. He didn’t seduce one woman on the show. Roger has charisma. Autistic is a stretch but that behavior would not get the same reaction in real life unless maybe if you’re “really, really, ridiculously good lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:46 PM
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To me, It felt like he was kind’ve milking that suffering. Grow up and move on already. What happened to the young ambitious guy who pushed his way into the firm and started a family. Agree on Roger 100%. He’s the only guy on the show with charisma. Funny and charming and professional. Also where can I borrow a pussy? Asking for a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:40 PM
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Cardoard is right. He just seems so boring to me. And I agree 100%, Roger was actually charming. He’s the one to emulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 02:36 PM
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I finally got around to watching Mad Men (I’m too cool to watch anything while it’s popular). I wanted to see what all the fuss was about Don Draper. First of all the whole show just feels like a cringy softcore boomer/trp fantasy trying too hard to be clever. Don is handsome and successful - I’ll give you that - but dude is a literal piece of shit in every other way. Gets into relationships with women he doesn’t want to be with, is a terrible father, constantly cheating, and has immature emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 01:42 PM
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I agree. But also men have always accepted tomboys. Can we add the other perspective? How about women respecting straight men who happen to have traditionally female interests or are not traditionally masculine in every way? Or also just normal feminine women and masculine men being friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 12:34 PM
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I don’t think it’s ever been my dream to be pursued by many women regardless of if I find them attractive. That sounds terrible. Your whole premise is that all men are just sex-obsessed pigs while women are gentle angels. Most guys I’ve known over the years are looking for a serious LTR and I’m only 24. On a side note there seems to be a lot of pressure coming from women for men to get laid a lot in order to be respected as men or seen as relationship material. I think you’d be surprised by the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:48 AM
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But once they’ve tried harder and worked on themselves..they’re not average guys anymore. Yes average guys can get laid IF they become above-average guys. Women wait at the finish line.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:34 AM
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Nail on the head for me. Would need to hear about the average lesbian’s dating experience to confirm if the theory is completely true tho. Btw, I don’t think that all women are like this. I think a lot of women need to have a feeling of control over their relationship or can’t handle being vulnerable or just don’t know any other way to secure the kind of relationship they’ve decided they want so they strategize and create a list of financial requirements for their men to keep them on a leash. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:27 PM
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I don’t think women are born more attractive or necessarily put in more effort to become attractive. The rule exists because women have access to SIMPS. Also men don’t find 80% women truly beautiful. Women just have the ability to sexualize themselves and plenty of fashion options that help them do that. Men can be turned on by 80% of women. “Everyday, women spend their time putting on make up, practicing good hygiene, finding clothes that fit them, and hitting the gym to keep their bodies fit m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 12:41 PM
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Wow, thanks for actually seeing the other side
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/21 05:38 PM
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Can’t relate to those men at all, and honestly don’t know any men who are bothered or complain about educated careerist women. In fact, that’s my personal preference. Probably better to say ‘some men’.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/21 02:36 PM
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Glad I could help ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 08:32 PM
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Treat people how you want to be treated I guess. The stuff you wish someone would do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 11:05 AM
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Something about you makes me think you’re not really a Chad.. I think it comes from being starved of love. I’m not used to being hugged or loved in anyway, so I just feel very weird if someone smiles at me or compliments me because I’m not used to it. I guess you might call it touch aversion too. I’ve never felt like I had any one who truly loves me or at least shows it, including my family. So something about that I guess makes me full of love to give somehow? I’m the opposite of burned out fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 10:33 AM
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I feel like I’m the exact opposite. I’ve got a lot of love to give, but I don’t know/can’t handle receiving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 10:13 AM
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Why is everything always the wrong way around? PPD women complaining about the supposed influx of incels in the sub? When if anything, there’s been an invasion of FDSers and every third post is blatant recycled man-bashing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 08:54 PM
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If you feel like you found the kind of relationship and man you were looking for, I’m happy for you and I wish you the best in the long term. But I maintain my opinion 100%. I guess we’ll agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 07:36 PM
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None of that was bad advice imo. It seems you got radicalized by FDS. Hopefully you can reverse course.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/21 07:12 PM
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That sounds more like boomer trp rhetoric. There are a couple boomer trolls here I’ll give you that. But, those aren’t really core incel talking points. What I see more often is women calling everyone they don’t like incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 10:34 PM
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I’ve honestly barely seen any posts that could be called misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 07:35 PM
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I finally got some cash in my hand, which I really should reinvest. But instead I’m fantasizing about using it to start a second business on the side or move out from my parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 12:15 PM
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This post isn’t bias enough. Women are wonderful. Men bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/21 12:05 PM
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It seems Kimye is no longer. I’m very disappointed with how things have turned out. In an alternate universe, he’s happily married to Lady Gaga.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 11:43 PM
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Is it possible you under underestimate how much effort people do put into changing? But there are many things you can’t change no matter how hard you try. It’s hard to change your path in life no matter how optimistic you are. We should have more sympathy for losers. But we don’t because they are men. There is no such thing as a loser woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 04:42 PM
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Women of PPD: How would you rate Rami Malek on a facial attractiveness scale? Assuming he wasn’t a celebrity and just some dude you walked past on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/21 12:00 PM
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NAWALT.. is that what you want the conclusion to be? I’m just speaking based on my experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 06:14 PM
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You make a fair point, not everyone does their job out of passion. I was referring mostly to middle class or above women who don’t really need to work to survive and aren’t trying to be career women forever. Great. As I mentioned career women are my type because I can respect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 05:49 PM
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That’s good to hear. Yes I am. I grew up in the West, but I’m living back home now. About the stronger thing. It’s because women seem to seek out taller, bigger, stronger. You’re right that almost any man is technically taller and stronger, but that’s not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 03:39 PM
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Other people have already pointed out that men can’t control their height, frame, jawline, and dick size. Not all male body types are found equally attractive. I would also add the following: I’ve seen many men get called insecure or overcompensating for putting in too much effort into their appearance. If all women had high standards for hygiene and appearance, then men would put in the effort. But it’s not a priority for most women. You either have the physical qualities listed above or you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 10:55 AM
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Career women is specifically my type. Always has been. Unfortunately, you’re right they are rare. What I’ve seen more often here is the fantasy that women don’t need men anymore because these days they make their own money. And apparently men are having a crisis because of this. It’s not the case. Unfortunately, most women still want to be housewives to a richer, stronger, smarter man. And a lot of career women are only doing it for the ‘strong, independent, breaking down barriers, look at me I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/21 10:36 AM
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Exactly, women really think all men really have 0 standards and are just desperate to pump and dump any women that talks to them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 10:05 PM
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Looool. I hope you’re trolling. It’s exactly the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/21 11:46 AM
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Are you trolling or just confused?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 04:14 PM
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I think it’s a common enough phenomenon that no one’s bothered to poll it. The sky is blue I don’t need stats to prove that. If I had a dime for every time I heard a girl complain about this issue I’d be busy betabuxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 04:13 PM
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I’m working on it. Got any tips?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 04:10 PM
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It clearly says “almost all women”.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:45 PM
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Almost all women complain about not being able to find decent guys. Where are all the good men? I’m sick of assholes. I’m just looking for someone who treats me right. The bar is so low. Yada yada yada. Will you ever accept that you might be responsible for the consequences of your own decisions? No. All men are trash. Let me screenshot this nice guy. Inb4 Anyone who thinks like this is an incel and virgin with small dick energy. Hell vetting at all is now overrated. The definition of insanity i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:42 PM
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Doesn’t make much of a difference if you show the symptoms. No one cares about depressed men anyways. Unfortunately, people just abandon the weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/21 01:08 PM
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I think ‘good men that don’t cross boundaries’ don’t tend to cold approach women. So you will have to approach/give off signals and most women don’t want to do that. I have the opposite of your problem. I’m a good man, but I don’t see where women could find me since I’m not part of any social circle. The point is women somehow keep finding bad men and missing the good men. This is the same issue that every other woman has. And it’s partly your fault. At the end of the day, good men don’t tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 03:03 PM
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“For a lot of men, hearing a woman is in her late 30s (let's say she's fairly attractive and she doesn't quite look her age) is a total boner killer.” Not to me. The exact opposite in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 11:46 AM
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It really is insane. I made a comment saying the same thing on the group mega thread last week. Nothing disgusts women more than a man who doesn’t get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/21 09:28 PM
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Yh I was going to ask for your opinion, but I didn’t want to make my problem your problem. Thanks anyways. That’s interesting that there’s an overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 06:39 PM
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Maybe I’m intimidating I dunno. I tend to have a resting bitch face. But I’m wearing a mask anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 05:50 PM
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I’m 6’4. I’m aiight but I don’t think I’m attractive enough on the average day to have women swooning over me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:44 PM
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Ok but there’s a big difference in between afraid and interested. For example, I keep accidentally locking eyes with girls every time we come near each other in the gym. They‘re not smiling at me tho so I don’t know if it means anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:39 PM
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Help me please. As soon as I walk into any space, women in said space turn their heads and give me a deer in the headlamps look. They freeze, lock eyes, stare at me for half a second with a blank expression, then continue about their business. I think it’s because I’m tall so people tend to notice me when I enter a room. But I can’t tell if these girls are afraid or interested. I’m autistic and bad with eye contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:24 PM
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Loool no, it’s my one and only vice
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 12:09 AM
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Right on brother
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 09:21 PM
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Just look at how women on reddit talk about a guy if they hear that a guy is lonely let alone a virgin. They assume he’s obese, unhygienic, misogynistic, creepy, racist, perverted, broke, a failure in life, etc. A man who has few friends or little dating experience or little sexual experience is definitely penalized more than a quarter point because he’s not even considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:45 PM
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That’s basically me. Only difference is I’m in my mid 20s, and I’m not rich (yet). My reason is just being socially awkward, autistic, and not having any friends. Missing out on social experiences and opportunities to get laid basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:39 PM
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Yh. The guys I’m talking about are not even on women’s radar tho. They are not just ‘not womanizers’ but lonely, outcasts, inexperienced, etc. At second glance, it seems like we’re describing nice guys and nice girls a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:31 PM
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It’s the biggest thing if you get pre-rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:24 PM
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Appreciate it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:22 PM
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Yeah I kindve agree. It seems to me that I have to go through a fuccboi phase whether I want to or not. Unfortunately, women won’t even respect you as a friend or SO unless you’ve “worked your way though 6 or 7 of them”. That’s the problem I was trying to describe in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:21 PM
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Yh I know, it’s frustrating lol. Seriously tho, the point is what is appealing at first glance is not necessarily the best thing option. After getting burned a few times people should logically try a different strategy. Point is women would rather be lonely or miserable than to be with a guy who is unpopular.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:17 PM
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I’m a regular Shakespeare
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 04:13 PM
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CMV: So many relationship issues stem from the fact that: Women are very turned off by guys who don’t get girls and very turned on by guys who get lots of girls. Whether directly because of that or indirectly. And guys who get lots of girls have a certain personality whether directly or indirectly. Nothing is more repulsive to a woman than a lonely virgin man. She will attach every negative trait to him. That man may be above average across every metric of hygiene, fitness, personality, values, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 02:30 PM
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Pretty much the opposite of my experience. Girls like that are a huge turnoff as friends or more no matter how pretty they are. That’s why I always judge based on fashion, it says a lot about your personality or lack thereof. I think you’re right tho, those girls are almost always taken. And in my experience guys like that are almost always taken as well. Guys with no real passion for anything, basic clothes, interests, basic job/major, etc. And adding to my frustration, I’ll often find cool art…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 02:07 PM
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Interesting take. “I don't actually mind approaching men but I know it's a poor strategic move.” I’ve always felt it’s the opposite. As a guy I see multiple girls everyday that I’m attracted to enough to approach. Am I expected to approach them to find out if they’re taken, risk being humiliated, and best case just annoy them? Chances are the kind of guy that would easily approach multiple women a week doesn’t really care about any of them or is just desperate to get his dick wet. The average gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/21 10:54 AM
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“Besides, one of the traits I look for in a long term partner is a man who wants me more than I want him.” Can you elaborate? Why wouldn’t you want to be in a relationship based on mutual attraction/respect? Just so you can have the upper hand or more control? You realize the kind of guy/relationship this is going to get you right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/21 08:39 PM
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“To actually be around people with the same interest. I have friends who are pretty standard as much as I love them and was even starting to go to events myself as I knew my friends would not be interested at all.” I can definitely relate. It was cool talking with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 02:14 PM
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This is the dream
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/21 10:58 AM
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Yes! I know exactly what you mean. I’m also really into the whole mods vs rockers era. You could take one look at a person and almost know everything about them. That’s the power of fashion. It sucks that those ideas of ‘identity ’ have been commercialized to this extent though. That and you still see ghosts of those different characters if you look through the lookbooks for h&m or Zara or any other big brand. Today someone might wear docs or a bomber jacket without any idea of the history behin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 10:47 PM
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Yeah I feel you. What I meant to say was it’s easy to fall into stereotypes with fashion. Some people can use it to create an identity. For example a lot of girls who recently got into the black boots/cyber punk vibe were probably basic in high school, wore uggs and made fun of girls who wore Docs. So I’m cautious and prefer people who actually appreciate fashion and playing around with multiple different styles. I also do admire people who have one aesthetic and are very committed to it even ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 04:34 PM
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There’s no one correct answer. It’s just about expressing yourself and standing out. I really dig ‘the world is your runway’ types. To me, putting effort into your appearance is about caring and enjoying life. Wanting your life to be exciting and like a movie almost. Being original and not following trends too strongly. Especially if you’re behind on the trends. (For example any girl who was still wearing a crossbody bag this last year was a huge turnoff) Being a bit alt or punk and counter cult…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/21 12:41 PM
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They’re pretty mainstream now. But you’re not missing out on much anyway. I’ve just always been into fashion as a form of self expression. It’s the number one thing that I judge people on, what makes them attractive or not to me. I dig ‘the world is your runway’ types. It’s not just about brands, but I used to get creative with the styling. Color palettes, accessories, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 09:40 PM
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I’ve always been very into fashion since my tumblr youth. Used to wear raf, cdg, acne, on the regular and supreme, bape, palace of course. None of this ever did anything for me. Started working out, white tee seems to be enough now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 10:44 AM
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I’ve always looked at women similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/21 10:40 AM
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Yuuup
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:38 PM
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Yes.. Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 04:32 PM
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So..women have it bad even when they have it good? They have it worse even when they have it better? They have it tough even when they have it wonderful? Are you ever not the victims of everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 10:40 AM
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I was like that for many years. I looked down on people who put a lot of effort into their appearance and were obsessed with their social status. The idea of putting in effort in order to be social let alone popular felt beneath me. I still kind’ve look down on people who are social media addicts. However, I’ve decided to adapt my mindset a bit after years of being very very alone. Making friends and finding partners does unfortunately require effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 08:34 AM
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I’m also introverted and very independent. Plus I’m not used to affection or attention in general. So I also find myself weirded out by girls acting too submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/21 08:28 AM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 09:32 PM
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Well as I said I think being boring and non hot is on you. Being attractive and exciting is a skill that I am still practicing. Being a perfect partner on paper is useless if I can’t attract a partner in the first place and keep them interested. That’s good to hear. Hope to be in a relationship with a woman like that someday. An actual partner not her daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:25 PM
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Most women may share a female empowerment post on fb every now and then but at the and of the day they want to be nothing but a ‘mommy mcbangmaid’ and expect their main to be richer, smarter, bigger, stronger, and handle all her shit. Most women have no interest in supporting themselves financially and look down on women that have to as failures. They prefer their men as traditional as they come, and will definitely look down on ‘weak’ men who are ‘in touch with their feminine side’ or who are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 07:12 PM
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Unfortunately you are not like most women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:49 PM
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End all male simps. Simping is the root of all problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 06:43 PM
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That some women actually think like this is alarming.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/21 10:47 AM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 07:32 PM
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I’m 6’4. I’ve got no complaints. Seriously though, some realistic standards for men in film/television would be a nice starting point. Women are the ones who want to the the selectors not approachers. So obviously they have high standards. That’s why also the attitude of settling and finding someone who’s pros outweigh their cons. I think it’s rare for a woman to actually be 100% satisfied with her man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 05:52 PM
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The main complaint is that women feel entitled to a tall (95th percentile or so) guy. Why should most men have to be settled for? It’s not a nice thing. Most women are not settled for. Their partners genuinely find them attractive. This is because most men don’t expect a supermodel, so they’re not disappointed with who they end up with. Meanwhile all women feel entitled to a prince charming. The reason most marriages were with average height guys is cause that’s the average height. Chad heights …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 04:39 PM
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It’s more often the girl who uses the term, especially during rejection. “You’re a nice guy, but... “ or “you’re such a nice guy, you will definitely find someone” or “you’re such a nice guy plenty of girls would be lucky to have you” Also women often claim to just be looking for a nice guy. “Why can’t I just find a decent nice guy” So a lot of naive guys are confused by this. Basically nice guy is an insult used by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 09:53 AM
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Chad and Stacy are memes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 06:03 PM
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Most incels see their inceldom as temporary meaning they intend to ascend. If you’re not working on yourself maxxing you are considered a volcel. Most can’t even get beans and they’re literally starving. They are not steak only. Most actually have very reasonable standards. Beans are not any easier to get. As OP says for someone starting from scratch with no social circle it’s very tough. Not to mention the incels that have plenty of female friends and co workers who enjoy spending time with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 05:18 PM
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Maybe incels aren’t wrong? Did you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 04:42 PM
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It would be funny if you didn’t actually believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 12:17 PM
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Incels put more effort into themselves and are probably better on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 12:02 PM
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And then they make fun of single and lonely men and assume they are all fat, unhygienic, lazy creatures. Projecting. Femcels literally believe men have it easier in dating lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:51 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:27 AM
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So this is basically the comic from yesterday about the girl with leggings? But you flipped the genders even though it doesn’t make sense this way. “Women humor”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:25 AM
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all virgin men are fat, lazy, and unhygienic. virgin men are disgusting swamp creatures amirite? projecting much? do you need to reaffirm this myth everyday to make yourselves feel better? no wonder these men go their own way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 11:22 AM
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Yeah they’re not all the same for sure. I agree. I’m not interested in being an incel or a lifetime incel. Most incels also consider their inceldom temporary btw. And I agree that there some bad mindsets though it depends on the person, but there are some people who would genuinely need a miracle to ascend due to their physical features unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:39 PM
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Okay, but No amount of effort will change your height or other physical features. Which are basically a requirement in dating nowadays. Most incels are below average height. Most incels have had to deal with cruel and humiliating rejections from relationships and basic friendship throughout their life. The basic treatment they get in schools or workplaces because of their looks can’t be overcome with effort. The average woman gets tons of attention daily irl and through social media. Almost all …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:38 PM
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Good post thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 04:51 PM
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Jokes on you, many of us generalize without even having had any exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 04:29 PM
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Good answer thank you. Unfortunately that requires spending some time with them, so doesn’t really work for cold approaches. The initial choice of partner is usually based on appearance, which is why the personality is trial and error.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 04:20 PM
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Problem comes down to identifying the good character from the outside. Any ideas on how? Especially after the glow up everyone looks the same and hides their insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:38 PM
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Why are you assuming she wanted to talk to you? Are you good looking? Not assuming she wanted to talk at all. Which is why I didn’t approach. Maybe there’s a tiny chance she was open to being approached cause I’m tall, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Basically I assume she would’ve appreciated the attention and been polite with the rejection. But it would still probably be a rejection. I have no game. And no it's not fair. You don't go to the ghetto in the night flashing money and then act surprised w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:30 PM
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From my perspective if you’ve always been attractive and popular you might end up not being a good person just because you can get away with it. While ugly and lonely people tend to have more self awareness and empathy and work on themselves more because of the constant rejection and failure. Though obviously there are exceptions. In my imagination, my ideal partner we be someone like me: who grew up a lonely loser but was able to glow up later. That way they have the perspective, appreciation f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:13 PM
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Well it’s kind of fair if you think about it from their perspective if they’re single. To be clear I wasn’t staring. Unfortunately, there are genuine creeps out there. Which is why I’m scared of being grouped in with them. My frustration is more with the girls like in the cartoon who bait the lonely guys in order to make a scene and humiliate them for fun. Maybe it’s cope but if I was mentally stable I think I could’ve talked to her
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 03:05 PM
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It was probably just a set of coincidences anyways. I’m the anxious, awkward, neurotic, overthinking, on the spectrum, lonely guy. Yeah she was fishing for attention but segregated gyms is a bit too sharia (or ultra feminist). My behavior is abnormal not hers. I agree on the meme gender tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 02:20 PM
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Umm no. I’m the one who has issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 12:05 PM
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Kewl kewl
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:54 AM
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Lol we can’t really know obviously. And most incels/loners become bitter over time for good reason and/or give up on the blue pill for good reason. Hard to say who we would be if we had grown up with normal levels of intimacy. Point is how do you know they aren’t good if you keep ignoring them? It’s just trial and error because unfortunately we choose our partners based on outward markers. We have no way of knowing their true personality
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:54 AM
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You don’t speak for all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:49 AM
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They’re right in front of you, but they’re hard to identify based on outward markers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:38 AM
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What do you want them to do? Sit and stare at the wall?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:27 AM
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Of course not all are good. But the large majority are.. despite the way society treats them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:27 AM
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I kind’ve agree. Have never really been attracted to women younger than mid 20s. 30s even better.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:23 AM
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I’m going through a similar back story, what are the cheat codes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:14 AM
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This is some guys but not all. Most are surprised to hear this, but many incels/lonely guys are ripped and put a lot of effort into themselves. Way more effort than chad or most women. But they can’t change their height or ethnicity for example. No matter how much effort they put in they are still overshadowed by naturals. If women rewarded these guys for their work they wouldn’t be frustrated. They’re not lonely because of a lack of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:09 AM
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Haha men are simple and just sex obsessed pigs.. good one
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:04 AM
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FDS is nothing new. It’s women making a list of demands and requirements from men and not enforcing them, meanwhile giving it up for free to the first Chad that smiles at them. The men that believe that women are honest about what they want, work on themselves and become the ideal guys but get nothing for it. They become rightfully bitter, then women online make fun of them for being angry loners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:02 AM
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lol this basically happened to me the other day in the gym. An incredible super hottie with one of the finest bodies I’d ever seen came right next to me and started doing these crazy stretches and I was desperately trying to keep my eye contact away (don’t want to be a creep). Moved myself to the other side of the gym. I saw her coming back to get her water bottle from next to me so I just stared hard at the ground. I think she was confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:50 AM
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For real lol
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:37 AM
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Very insightful analysis you’ve made.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 08:25 AM
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That’s your takeaway? Incels aren’t doing that. Also, what exactly makes you out of the league of the average incel? No offense, but if you actually care about this issue, do a little research and actually try to understand incels instead of spewing the same old. It’s not your fault, because incels are very misrepresented in articles and media. Almost everyone on reddit who talks about them has no idea what their problems are and how they actually think. And they haven’t bothered to find out les…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 08:23 AM
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100% this. Incels just refuse to take any advice and put in any effort. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:06 PM
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Exactly thank you. Women of PPD and reddit at large refuse to emphasize with incels, and want to maintain the myth that they are all 300 pounds, obese, filthy, misogynistic, hateful, creatures who refuse to take advice or work on themselves at all. Women are disgusted by virgin men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:04 PM
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What do you assume the average incel looks like exactly? It’s not nearly as bad as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:59 PM
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You’re not wrong. But it also takes a certain of luck. If you don’t put in effort you’re considered a volcel in the incel community, so I think most are actually putting in a lot of effort. Incels are not incels because if any one deficiency but because of a combination of a factors that together are hard to overcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:56 PM
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“Take care of your body.. I personally prefer tall..” “If you have a decent face and height then you should be fine” This is why incels exist not because they refuse to even take advice. Giving hygiene advice and then saying you prefer tall men is a literal incel meme. Incels have already followed women’s advice for years. They’ve put in above average effort into themselves in every way. They fulfill all the other criteria in the list and are above average in the areas of hygiene, fitness, fashi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:44 PM
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Not trying to be a dick, but don’t you have any personal goals or aspirations for your life? other than serving some guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 06:36 PM
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Haha I‘m sure we can reach a compromise?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:24 PM
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Glanced at your profile. Will you be my sugar momma?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:05 PM
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First time hearing of a connection between who initiates and who is expected to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:00 PM
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I respectfully disagree. I’ve known some women who see sex as this separate thing. They tend to believe that men are more obsessed with sex. And these women tend to also use sex in relationships only for transactional purposes and to control weak men. This can also apply to virgin women. They see sex as an asset or a prize. This mindset is more in line with that of male simps. The idea that men are just simple creatures who want to get sex as a prize and a conquest, and don’t care about love is …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:57 PM
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No there’s a NEED for all those things that can only be fulfilled by sex. Sex is not something separate adjacent to a relationship it’s part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:23 PM
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Who tf thinks any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:18 PM
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I’m a few chapters into it now. I reckon it’ll be better than the movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:15 PM
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JFL My brain stopped for a second reading this. I had to restart. Women think Chad is kind and smart and loving. And all virgins are creepy, misogynistic, unhygienic, hateful creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:12 PM
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How do you reconcile being ambitious and wanting to own your own business with saving yourself and giving up your life for some man? The two seem mutually exclusive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:07 PM
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Dave Chappelle said something like: “If you can kill him, I can at least abandon him” I’m pro choice for both
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:58 AM
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Vehemently disagree that women desire feminine traits in men. Dunno how common it is, but I do like girls who are a bit tomboyish. Over the top feminine as seen with be popular anime aesthetic these days is a turn off. Prefer hair above the neck, independent, accomplished career women, power suits, athletic, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:50 AM
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For the millionth time, sex is not just sex. Paying for it is not the same. It’s desire, trust, attraction, intimacy, bonding.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:34 AM
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Based and common sense pilled
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:08 AM
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Yes because most women base their entire self worth/value based on their success in dating. I.e. the quality of the men that approach them and they can get. The concept of the sexual marketplace makes more sense from a women’s perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:49 AM
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Only ugly men? Shame, I thought I had a shot
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:43 AM
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I agree with you, unless the woman feels more comfortable splitting. Some women don’t want the guy to have any sexual expectations. I prefer to start the relationship on equal footing rather than setting up a traditional power dynamic or exchange of services. I’d expect to pay but I wouldn’t mind splitting the first date if she insisted. Because I understand how that could make her more comfortable. While we’re at it: Can we please end this sexist rhetoric that the women is doing the man a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:29 AM
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Maybe. I can’t speak for all men nor can I generalize about all women. But I’ll allow shit flinging after making an argument of substance not instead of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 06:36 PM
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I agree. I’m obviously not defending the community as a whole. And most incels unironically do need to work on themselves and put themselves out there. But I disagree with the premise that they are hateful and entitled people and are only fake nice. The whole fake nice accusation you hear from women is complete BS in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:41 PM
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Louder please
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:32 PM
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There are definitely more extreme fringes to the community. You can choose to paint it as you wish. In my experience, part of the frustration is that people refuse to hear incels or acknowledge their struggles. Even femcels claim that they are all white supremacists , pedophiles, etc. The more people gaslight them and tell them it’s all in their heads the crazier they will get. Especially when everyone is proving their claims on the daily. For example that short ugly men are associated with bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:30 PM
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You’re right there is a bit of an overlap. But I don’t think incels tend to have the crazy reactions to rejection you expect from Nice GuysTM. Dunno about pretty horrific stuff? I’m talking about r/incelswithouthate the main reddit sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:23 PM
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I respectfully disagree. Many other people have explained this better than me, but here are my 2 cents. The term incel has become a placeholder for obese, stinky, unhygienic, porn-addicted, Cheetos dust-covered, basement dweller, etc. in reality most incels don’t fit that description at all. Many are actually ‘gymmaxxed’ meaning lean and ripped. Most are overall average looking. If you met them in a normal context and didn’t know they identified as incels you wouldn’t be filled with hatred. Unfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:20 PM
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It’s funny, how women look down on men who do the same stuff as them. For example how femcels look down on incels. Or female PPD users looks down on male PPD users. Why do we have to all be mysoginistic pigs with no morals. I can’t be the only smart marginally attractive guy here? Edit: For example look at this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/koc96z/purge_week_the_trp_cancer_and_mgow2_cowards_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf All the men always hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:06 PM
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Please stop making this comparison. It’s not even remotely like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 05:00 PM
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I meant to say without any intimacy and life giving you red lights constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:25 PM
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My standards are also myself. I’m also not everything I want to be, but I am improving. I’m very ambitious. And I believe there are girls with a similar mindset. However, I don’t think that means that I’m not good enough for anyone. If you have someone you think is better than you interested in you, you must surely have something to offer even if you can’t see it yourself. Plus you can continue to self improve while you’re in a relationship if you don’t have the confidence. Btw, I have the exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:50 PM
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Goddamn someone call the coroner. Why can’t every week be purge week?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:30 PM
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Yaaaas!!! Puurge Weeeeek baabbyy!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:24 PM
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You can dream. But if you’re not going to be a hypocrite and expect to be equally desired by your partner. Your expectations should theoretically match your self. Not to mention actually getting what you want not just having high standards while staying lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:15 PM
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I imagine that the guys who are messaging above their looksmatch are not the ones getting dates/laid. I.e they’re not using the app correctly. There’s a lot more men than women on OLD with a variety of levels of success. Also the most attractive men are not on okcupid I assume?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 02:08 PM
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Nooice!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 01:56 PM
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Criticism is not Hatred. Not everything is misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 01:55 PM
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I think you’re blurring the lines between incels, niceguysTM and others. Most incels don’t actually hate women. Not going after the hottest women is pretty common behavior for men (as opposed to hypergamy). Incels are at the bottom of an abyss of loneliness incomparable to what the average person experiences. Most people can’t imagine what it’s like to live without any intimacy and red lights. I disagree that incels are judgmental and entitled (they’re not Free Dinner Strategy ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 01:53 PM
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I agree, but we can still be eye candy and have a fun time with our partners : ) Edit: I think most people don’t put nearly enough thinking into their relationship decisions. They’re just going with the flow and following societal expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 12:05 PM
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Speak for yourself. I expect my partner to have passions, drive, ambition, big dreams, etc. No basic girls please and thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:43 AM
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Having high standards for women has kept me a very lonely virgin. Which is ironically one of the reasons why my partner wouldn’t respect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:41 AM
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We need positive reinforcement. You can’t just become confident and happy without the years of love, support from family and friends, respect from peers, attention, intimacy from the gender of your choice etc. Most people have no idea what it is to be truly alone 24/7 for years and years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:12 AM
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I agree, the more effort I put into my own life, the less women I’m attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:08 AM
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I agree, I’m a huge fan of the show. I was saying the other day that Tom Haverford is actually a good description of the average incel. He put a lot of effort into his looks and his lifestyle. He’s very cultured, well dressed, ambitious, entrepreneurial, funny, well-loved, etc. For example, remember the episode where Leslie and Anne went to his apartment and were very impressed by all his stuff. In fact I think the 2 girlfriends he went on to get in the show were unrealistic. Most women here bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:06 AM
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I’m not a misogynist. I believe in equality. Unfortunately, most women don’t. I just don’t respect women who use their pussy pass constantly. Who put no effort into themselves or their lives and have no ambitions other than to party, get married, and then die. I hold myself to the same standards and I want an equal partner and a relationship built on mutual respect. However, it’s almost impossible to find due to hypergamy and close-minded women with no self awareness and no accountability. Of co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 10:58 AM
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Dominance Heirarchy applies mostly for men yes. Jordan Peterson talks about it a fair bit if you’re interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:01 PM
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Interesting theory. But I think appearance whether physical or otherwise. Your place in the dominance hierarchy. Your ‘sexiness’. In other words your ability to be attractive..remains important throughout life. I would describe what you’re saying as different standards when it comes to settling down maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:31 PM
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Yes I know that’s the main reason. I was just responding to OP about the feminine v masculine thing. Which happens to be the close second reason why I’m not getting laid. I don’t get as far as meeting many girls so it doesn’t come up as often but when it does it does. That’s how I got my flair. I can see girls reasonably interested from their eye contact and way of speaking, but then I fuck it up by being myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:16 PM
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Do you mean pursuing that in their partner or in themselves? Also neither is necessarily masculine or feminine, do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:12 PM
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Is this part of the purge joke or is this serious? If serious, yes I actually do get what I think are signals (glances in my directions?), but I’m very socially awkward. I have lots of anxiety and no social skills or experience and I don’t really know what to do. Spectrum as well. I’ve never really had any friends. Not any physical contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:11 PM
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Lol I fell for it hard
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 03:17 PM
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This has to be a joke? First of all according to you women go out of their way to duck Chad when they’re young to avoid getting murdered?? Also Billy was there all along. I’m 6’4 and athletic, and can’t tell you how many girls have become disinterested/repulsed after spending some time with me due to the fact that I’m shy, and feminine in many of my emotions and mindsets, confident enough to dress differently and talk about fashion or men etc, and generally in touch with my feminine side. I’ve n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 03:01 PM
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Hi, There’s a few of us here who would match that description
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 07:31 PM
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Yeah I mentioned that. I’m also referring to the guys that agree to betabuxx either knowingly or unknowingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:51 AM
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I kind’ve agree. But I would say men are not much better. Though more pressure is on the women as they enjoy the role of selectors more often. I was just saying that the personality types that are best at being attractive are rarely the ones that make the best partners. While the guy that would theoretically be the best partner is actually kind’ve boring and not good at sparking initial interest. Similarly, i was saying that in politics we rarely end up choosing the best candidate. The candidate…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 08:47 PM
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I think that’s down to: the vibe and confusing signals put out by women. Many guys do try romancing and dating women and get burned. And they see women preferring ONS with guys who put in no effort. in general men and women are both shallow and we rarely know how to pick what’s best for us. We usually judge based on appearance which is not an indicator of relationship success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 04:05 PM
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If you’re used to having many options to choose from. Of course most of them will not seem viable. And you will have enflated standards. Imagine only getting a new suitor once a year. Your standards will surely be adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 11:03 AM
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I often hear about women wanting to find a man to fix as a project. Why never the depressed, neurotic, awkward, friendless, virgin? Edit: Assuming they’re not ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:15 PM
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I’m with you, but the girl was much younger so it’s an unfair comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:46 PM
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Thanks for the brutal reminder
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 07:07 PM
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I want to cause I dig the punk aesthetic, but I have no idea where I’d wear it. It’s kind of stupid if it turns off women tho. Women are always saying they dress beautiful just for themselves not for men, but that’s not true. All women’s clothes is designed to appeal to men. Fashion is based on what the opposite sex finds attractive. And even supposedly progressive women seem to prefer traditional masculine aesthetics unfortunately. If it goes on sale I think I’ll cop.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 07:29 PM
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Ladies of PPD: How do you feel about a straight dude in leather pants? Sexy or no? “Asking for a friend” Faux leather of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:36 PM
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I suffer from the exact same thing. It seems that women get trained into this, especially those that use social media a lot. They know how to pose and work their angles and do those cringey over the top facial expressions. But I think it translates to looking more attractive, more fun to be around, more approachable etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:33 PM
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And also if femininity is superior and men are narcissistic, aggressive, etc. why do women look down on men who are not traditionally masculine and display ‘feminine’ emotional qualities?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:27 PM
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Is this for real? Sounds weird to me because I’m autistic and barely make eye contact with anyone. I often lock eyes with girls at the gym, but I look away, because I’m afraid of being called a creep. I have a very serious resting bitch face myself especially when I’m focused in the gym, so I assumed our eyes meet accidentally. Especially when it’s just a glare it’s confusing, do you at least add a smile? Then it would be obvious and I would approach. First person to look away loses according to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/20 06:10 PM
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Okay, but I disagree that it’s over for the bottom 30% of women. And I disagree that ugly women are just ugly. But ugly men have it better because they can compensate with other things. These women will undoubtedly be attractive to at least some men if they compensate or put in the same effort that they’re male counterparts tho. Maybe not on tinder (just like the male counterparts) but they can find partners if their standards are reasonable. It will certainly be easier for them than their male …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:59 PM
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I always resent point #6. It also made by femcels. I thought we all believed in equality? I thought women don’t like it when they‘re value is tied to their sexuality and seen just for their bodies. Why can’t women improve their value with education and income? Why I that just for men? It is not over for the bottom 30% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:52 PM
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IMO your value is set by the value of the partner you’re able to attract. You’re as hot as the hottest guy you’re able to get to commit to you. And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:42 PM
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But competing with and impressing other men is part of what makes you attractive as a man. Muscles are attractive in good measure, but it’s more about general frame for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/20 01:24 PM
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Firstly, there are a lot of guys who were lied to with the bluepill, and can actually become successful by changing their attitude. They just never had anyone to tell them to man up. Secondly, I think you’re being too harsh on these guys. A lot of guy who were losers growing up will remain losers no matter how much they work on themselves because they can’t change their history or lack of experience. It’s hard to create a social circle and life from scratch in you 20s, and will never compare to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/20 06:12 PM
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If you’re hard for belle delphine you are definitely a pedo. Is this girl supposed to be considered attractive??
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:29 PM
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Not necessarily this sub, but: “I am on the hunt for a HVM who doesn’t just want to pump and dump.” “You don’t understand the amount of attention that women have to deal with all the time. It’s sickening.” “I’m sick of creeps who only see me for my body.” \ “I refuse to approach a man under any circumstances.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:12 PM
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Can’t live with them. Can’t live without them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:04 PM
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In my opinion. Yes it is bad. I prefer not to be settled for, but we’ll see what happens. I also prefer not to settle. Perhaps I’ve been conditioned by popular love stories. But also maybe men are more romantic. Traditionally, when women decide to settle down they are looking for a provider among other things. Men are only looking for love. What you described is the opposite of a love story. It’s bordering on prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 04:02 PM
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I imagine the only way to truly be best friends would probably be to do that and get it out of the way. Otherwise there will always be the what if? For people who frequently engage in ONS, sleeping with an actual friend shouldn’t be that big of a deal? The problems arise when one friend is more attention starved or sexually frustrated than the other. If both friends have similar relationship and sexual success. Friend zoning will probably not be as big of an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 03:47 PM
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If you knew they were interested and weren’t going to make the first move..why not help them out? Why not choose the guy that you thought was the best and that you liked the most? Instead of giving it to the guy that ‘tried to fuck you’? I’m not a Nice Guy <sup>TM</sup> but that behavior is confusing to me as guy. Looking back there were many girls interested in me in uni, but I was too autistic and socially awkward to seal the deal. I had no experience with this kind of stuff and no one showed …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 10:32 PM
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Should I be wary if a girl with several male orbiters pursues me?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:54 AM
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Damn why didn’t I think of that
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 11:32 AM
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Do you mind clarifying what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/20 08:54 AM
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Great answer thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 06:23 PM
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Yeah I agree with that. Attractiveness is a prequisite. And we have to acknowledge that even if we ‘love’ someone we wouldn’t have gotten that far if they hadn’t been attractive. We’re only responsible for 50% of attraction based on your analysis. From my perspective it just feels a bit weird to have people being friendly to you just because of the way you look. It makes it all seem a bit fake and I crave real connections. I guess you just have to accept your place in the simulation and not thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:34 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:29 PM
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Thank you for sharing your experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:01 PM
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Good Answer. I’m not obsessed with looks, but I’m acknowledging that we all as humans care about looks. It’s how we decide who to approach or become friends or more with. Even if we aren’t attracted to the typical Hollywood beauty standards, we still filter based on appearance. That’s just a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 03:00 PM
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Good Answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 02:58 PM
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I don’t think that people are faking their interest as much as being interested in common markers of attractiveness that are predetermined by media to a large extent. But I think as you said there’s no way to know for sure if someone is with you because they find you attractive or just because you’re ‘attractive’. Perhaps as a result, some of the aspects of my personality that I value highly are the ones that are least traditionally attractive. It would take a more open minded and loving relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 02:36 PM
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Understandable, Have a nice day!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 02:12 PM
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May I ask how do you get past that as a women? This was exactly the crux of my post. If you feel that every guy approaching is only doing it because of your body, how do you still want to get into a relationship with one of them? How do you filter? This is what a lot of ‘nice guys’ complain about, that girls choose from the guys that are only approaching for their bodies so they end up with bad choices. If you do end up with the guy of your dreams, Aren’t you ever thinking he never would have ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 02:09 PM
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I think I agree. Marriage should be a bit more almost like a professional relationship. Though some people already do that at the cost of not really loving each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 02:01 PM
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You’re spot on about where the perspective comes from. I guess for those people there will always be a bit of imposter syndrome. A lot of people who self identify as unattractive complain that no one wants to get to know them based on their outer looks. But also wouldn’t want someone who was just with them for their body. They want to be seen and loved for their inner self. So it’s a bit of a paradox.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:59 PM
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Good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:54 PM
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And you are not you. : )
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:53 PM
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What I got from your answer is that the only way to know if someone truly loves you is if they are willing to stick with you even after seeing you without your attractiveness markers. For example, sticking with you when you are broke or sick or weak or vulnerable ? Also I did mention I work out for myself, but as you mentioned people being attracted to you because of that is a by product. So how would you know if those people are actually attracted to you? And I am not the kind of person who dre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:52 PM
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This is a very fair point. None of us are really unique. We are all more or less some kind of stereotype. Any yet if we are only attracted to attractive people. How do we know that we actually love each other? If a girl filters out short suitors or a guy filters out girls with small breasts. Can they end up truly in love? In a deep meaningful relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:44 PM
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This is a good point. If you were born with different features you might not have had the same back story and ended up with a different personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:41 PM
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I think you missed the point completely or perhaps I wasn’t clear. I actually agree with you. I’m specifically acknowledging that people end up with the people they end up with based on looks, height, status, etc. That is how we filter and choose our partners. Many people in relationships claim to be with their soulmates, and others are accused of betabuxxing. Others complain of wanting to be seen for more than their body or their wealth etc. So the question is does love even exist or can we kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:38 PM
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I agre with almost everything you said. Relationships based on commonalities are definitely going to better than transactional ones. That is the goal. But even within those relationships, people only end up together because of arbitrary outward markers such as physical features or status. How can you believe that someone is your soulmate or truly loves you when you never would have been together if not for those arbitrary features of attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:32 PM
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I agree with everything you said, but how about the outward signifiers upon which people meet and get into relationships in the first place. It’s not about wanting to be liked so much as: People choose to connect with each other based on arbitrary features that are predetermined as attractive. How do you know if your partner loves you if he or she never would have met you if not for those features? And how do you balance having to be attractive but also wanting to be seen and understood?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:30 PM
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This sort of what I believe as well. That there is a subconscious unspoken agreement that we are only with each other because of societal expectations and as long as we both hold up our ends of the agreement we can be ‘in love’. If you weren’t well of or if you weren’t beautiful we never would have met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 01:25 PM
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I think it was relatively common in the 70s, at least the example you suggested
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 10:33 PM
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Not OP btw but Can you please explain the backlash against INTJs to me? I’m not too attached to it, but it’s nice to have something that describes you and more importantly can help you explain yourself to others. I’ve done the test several times throughout my life since Middle School and I’ve always gotten INTJ and it’s not even close. It’s persuasive like a horoscope but it really does feel like it describes me accurately.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:09 PM
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Someone give this man an award.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 12:25 PM
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Poor man’s gold 🏅
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 12:23 PM
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Finally someone said it! When I first came to Reddit after spending years on tumblr I was shocked (still am) by what passes for art here. Save for a few subs, Reddit’s collective taste level is in the gutter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 12:14 PM
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I think I agree. Nice guys are aren’t actually wrong in their observations. Though their reactions give them a bad rep. And to be fair the same can be said for the reverse and nice girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/20 12:00 PM
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Relatively speaking. At least it’s not a bubble. People can express opposing viewpoints without downvoting each other to hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 09:13 PM
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Not angry at all. It was kind’ve a rhetorical question pointing out the hypocrisy. Why do I care tho? I think a lot of the pop culture discourse is feminist bias, so I’m adding my perspective. There’s a lot more sympathy and support for women for body standards etc than for men if we’re even included. The porn issue is used very often by feminists to claim that all single men are disgusting perverted creepy pedophiles etc. That’s why it’s personal. I’m trying to remove the gendered dialogue and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 04:23 PM
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There are exceptions of course. But the examples I gave have become stereotypes. The caricature that guys can never be trusted because they have had their minds twisted and distorted by porn is so often referenced by feminists and women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 03:35 PM
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Haven’t seen any of these, but I believe you. The current ‘feminist’ trend towards women are above the clouds and men are trash isn’t helping anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 03:20 PM
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Why do ‘feminists’ believe all guys now are ‘porn addicts’ but they get a pass for being social media attention addicts?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 03:04 PM
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Just want to shout out to all the people who keep this sub civil and open minded. It makes us all less biased and helps us reach conclusions in most cases. It’s refreshing to see so many well thought out arguments and comments. I’m thankful this isn’t a feminist safe space.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 02:44 PM
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Alright nevermind
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 02:23 PM
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Nothing applies to everyone, but I respectfully disagree for most cases. Obviously a pushover/simp ‘beta’ is a red flag and everyone should stay away from them. Not all ‘chads’ are terrible people, and not all nice guys are great people. It comes back to women’s choices and their filtering. Unfortunately it’s common to shift blame onto men or a subset of men instead of women taking responsibility for their choices. Which leads to the convenient excuse of “all men are trash so might as well chase…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 02:16 PM
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It’s near impossible to have a discussion there it’s ridiculously biased. Women get their pick of flairs and Men are moids. Which is another word for you’ll get downvoted for disagreeing with us , and everyone replying to you will get upvoted for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 02:03 PM
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Kind of the like the actual backlash from ‘feminists’ on Twitter. Just check the FDS post about it. It’s accurate and cuts to the bone. Whichever gender it describes might complain. But I think it makes sense the way it was drawn, because women are not usually represented in this way by popular culture and yet women are on the covers of most magazines. It was pulling back the curtain in some ways. That’s probably why some women thought it was misogyny, when it reality it’s just equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:59 PM
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And don’t forget: woman good
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:34 PM
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Asktrufemcels is the worst excuse for man hating, I don’t think they even read past the flairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 01:31 PM
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Looool
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 05:24 PM
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His flair is Blue Pill Man
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 02:43 PM
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Based blue pill man
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 12:39 PM
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Kudos for your efforts. What’s the reaction like from orthodox feminists? Do you mean: Do I think online feminists are misleading or give feminists a bad rep? Probably yes, but the ‘radical’ rhetoric filters into pop culture. Currently pop culture messaging is all ridiculously pro female at the cost of demonizing masculinity. All female movies or showing a female character beating up a guy etc. doesn’t do much for equality imo. Man hating is now the trend basically, for example selling a perfume…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 12:25 PM
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Yeah I first did the test when I was in school but didn’t give it much importance, done it a couple times since then always the same result. Describes me for better or for worse. Edit: Yeah I’m in the same boat : )
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 08:23 PM
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Yuuup! : )
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 08:14 PM
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Pleasure talking to you, see you around : )
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 07:32 PM
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Thank you! I’ve been wanting to talk about this forever cause I’m really into fashion. And I was literally just thinking about how futuristic sci-fi stories never tackle this as well! I agree that in the next century men’s clothing should develop significantly. Whatever is fringe, underground, or fetish eventually becomes mainstream. For example, how women wear chokers or latex now. Unfortunately, this won’t happen soon enough. The reason that it doesn’t fly, is because women actually subconscio…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 07:07 PM
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Thank you not long at all. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes in the last comment. About the mgtow/incels, you’re right of course plenty of short/ugly people get laid, and many of these people really could get a girl if they worked on themselves a little. Most of their complaining is about how much easier other people have it just because they were born with a few extra cm here or there. I’m an INTJ too : ) I was wondering why the conversation was so smooth and easy. It’s so rare to talk to som…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 06:46 PM
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First off thank you for making me chuckle with this: “hell some of these men don’t even have a table to bring some shit to” Obviously we’re speaking in generalities, but I stand by the fact that you determine how much you’re respected or not in this world.Obviously broke men get no respect. There are plenty of women that command respect. I think some women want to be hoes, and are surprised when they’re not treated with reverence. Your lifestyle decisions come with consequences. I have no proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 05:51 PM
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Of course if you go looking for it you’ll find some men who do the same, but I’m just speaking from my own perspective. As for the women are nothing more than vaginas issue. I think it stems from the fact that most girls bring nothing to the relationship except their vaginas and expect a lot more than a dick from their man. No one ever called RBG or Amy Poehler or Serena Williams etc. nothing more than a vagina. Many women are very open about taking advantage of their historic privileges, and op…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 04:16 PM
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Yes times a million
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 02:15 PM
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Equality doesn’t mean being the same, we’re inevitably going to have different mindsets. I have no problem with 50/50, traditional, or role reversal too. Being a cuck or a sugar daddy even if that’s what you’re both into. My only complaint is when people are hypocritical, wanting to feel superior, or want to have their cake.. Being self aware and transparent is so undervalued.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 02:13 PM
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Just that if you claim to be all about equality, it’s kind of hypocritical to expect so much from men and have such a narrow definition of what man can be. Women are always claiming that men only care about looks, that they’re just aggressive, that they have no empathy, are insecure and fragile, etc. It feels like projecting to me. A refusal to believe and insisting on maintaining these ideas so they can maintain their superior status as women. Women use the worst men on the planet to prove thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 01:10 PM
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I’m a millennial observing the same thing unfortunately. Women complain about supposedly sexist incels with a victim mentality, but their rhetoric about men is equal and opposite. When I was a teenager, I was pretty into that rhetoric and was as bluepilled as they come, would’ve called myself a feminist etc. I mostly had female friends throughout school. Fortunately, I have been able to escape that mentality. I actually believe in the equality of the sexes but not what’s being called feminism at…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/20 10:24 AM
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If true this will light the incel world on fire. Post on Incelswithouthate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/20 04:51 PM
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I concur, it’s crazy. I’m still horrified by seeing the way my mother and grandmother revel in judging couples on the red carpet at award shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 04:26 PM
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Yeah that’s nonsense. I think some people want someone attractive meaning attractive and impressive to everyone. This is what I was getting at when I mentioned trophy wives/husbands. They will break up with someone they actually find attractive to get someone that their friends find attractive in order to impress them. Having someone ‘attractive’ with them is how they define their own value/self worth. And if we’re going by market definition, then it should be supply and demand. If there’s at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 04:17 PM
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I’ve noticed some people are really close minded in defining attractiveness especially in facial features. They get all scientific about it like there’s only one specific set of features that can be considered attractive. Personally I find these ‘attractive’ people as mentioned above as bland as a default screensaver. My personal definition of attractive is the literally physics defenjtion, that it draws me in and makes me want to chase it. Gal Gadot is not appealing to me at all. The VS Angel b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 03:59 PM
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I can’t be sure if we have the exact same girls in mind. What I mean to say is that your choices are more likely to win points with me than your genetics, especially those 2 or 3 features that are commonly considered necessary to be 10s which I consider to make those people bland. Speaking for myself: Your personal style, fashion choices, fitness level, hobbies, way of speaking, and ambitions make up almost 90% of attraction to me. I’ve definitely seen girls that I thought were cute and was too …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 03:47 PM
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When I think of the accepted definition of a 10, I think of the characters on reality shows such as the bachelor/bachelorette. While they are objectively ‘attractive’, I personally find them to be cartoonish stereotypes. These are the ‘chads’ and ‘stacys’. But I don’t fantasize about a relationship with someone with those features, nor would I want to look like that. An art hoe/e girl is much more likely to be a 10 in my eyes. This is why I don’t attach any importance to rating. But those shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 11:18 AM
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That definitely happens and no denying it’s wonderful when it does. Of course, it also happens from a male perspective falling for a female friend that might not necessarily tick off ‘the attraction checklist’. But the inverse - friendzoning, losing friends, emotional tampon, staying available in case of something better, confusion about intentions, jealousy etc. - also happens just as often if not more. Initial attraction is more relevant when trying to meet outside your longtime social circle …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 09:57 AM
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My ultimate goal is always to find relationships based on deep connections, common interests, transparency, etc. I think there’s no pill for this because unfortunately no one will even bother going as for as trying to connect with someone unless there’s that initial attraction. But it feels like a losing game sometimes. Because you might put effort into being groomed and extroverted (TRP), but then the exact type of girl you’re looking for who will reject you right away because they’ll assume yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:02 PM
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I really relate to this. I’m 6’4, athletic, also average face, but I think I have a 50/50 chance of impressing a girl at first glance. Problem is I have literally no idea how to behave as a human, what to do with my facial expressions, arms, hands, moving my body, etc. not to mention the things I say when I open my mouth. I have a very awkward air around me that can instantly be sensed by anyone so my physical characteristics are useless. I can sense girls checking me out and then immediately be…
/r/seduction18/11/20 05:04 PM
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I’ve never gotten one, but taking the time to take a special photograph for someone is just an extra way to express affection and let them know you’re thinking about them. And is just fun. Most importantly for me sending it shows real trust which can also be seen as a relationship milestone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 02:54 PM
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You’re right. I think there’s a bit a venn diagram crossover with FDS in terms of philosophy. But here I’m theorizing about the exceptions to that who are femcels in the true meaning of the word. I mentioned in another comment the femcels are less gatekeepy and allow basically any women feeling lonely, or fresh off a bad date to post..which kind of drowns out the trufemcels.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:17 AM
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Sure, but aren’t all cels mainly complaining about how society is too shallow and excludes them based on their looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 10:12 AM
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First point, you’re right of course. But online relationships are also possible. Second point, I disagree that incels only want sex or intimacy. Most comments seem to indicate dreams of a serious LTR (even if without sex according to a recent poll).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 11:15 PM
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Yeah that’d be nice. But also GOAT stands for greatest of all time... referring to someone who’s peaked at their craft.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 11:02 PM
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Take a guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:58 PM
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Imo there are exceptions/outliers which would be trufemcels. The women’s community is more welcoming and less gatekeepy which allows some of the girls you mentioned to post. But I think there are genuine trufemcels out there who might just be looking for a normal guy. No trufemcels have commented here yet to prove this hypothesis though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:56 PM
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For people in this position, it’s hard not to call it what it is. Being realistic and transparent is not pessimistic. For most it’s the first step in moving forward. The term just carries different weight for men, due to the expectations we have for them. No one cares about their complaints, which is something that is actually recognized by incels. Say anything you want but they do have remarkable self awareness. Yeah as I mentioned in other comments the term has become derogatory/an insult and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:53 PM
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This is what everyone else says as well. I’m trying really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt, but it would be better if a girl commented and spoke for herself as so far it’s just been guys repeating the same stuff. You don’t think there’s a single trufemcel out there? Not everyone is ‘chad’ only.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:47 PM
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I agree with what you’re saying. I think this describes trucels very much who exclude anyone who might have a chance at ‘ascending’. But there are also many more people who identify as incels and work on themselves to further their goals daily, even if they are constantly gatekept by the trucels unfortunately. For these self improvement cels who haven’t given up, I’m hypothesizing that femcels might be a perfect match. Problem seems to be femcels really look down on anyone who identifies as ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:38 PM
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Yeah this is what I’m trying to get at here. That the term incel has become so loaded and derogatory that femcels look down on incels even though they appropriated their entire lexicon. According to the comments here, the answer seems to be that femcels consider incels subhuman and not even options, so incels are justified in saying that femcels don’t exist. In my opinion, most incels are in the exact same situation as the femcels so it’s hypocritical to look down on them. They’re fine people. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:25 PM
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Maybe I misread something, but I’m 99.99% percent sure you added some stuff to your original comment. I actually agree with you on this point tho. Due to a lot of gatekeeping in the community a lot of people who might identify as incels do get excluded, and the goalposts get moved around a fair bit. It’s a bit of a competition for who’s the biggest victim. However, the term involuntary celibate at it’s literal definition can still be used with a clear meaning. To address the other issue more spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:32 PM
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Didn’t know about that, but I also can’t speak for how they ‘were trying to start relationships’. But I guess that suggests that femcels don’t exist? I appreciate the input. I think incels are one of the most misunderstood groups on the internet nowadays, and also within the community there’s a wide variety of people with different opinions. The term incel is very much loaded and will turn off almost any girl, which seems unfair when many women have appropriated the community’s lexicon and creat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:17 PM
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This is an honest answer. But the question is why should either look down on someone who’s in the exact same situation at the bottom of the ladder. Why should femcels look down on incels? Especially when most of their complaints are about how most people are shallow and judge them/reject them based solely on their exterior/genetics/status. Why not break the cycle? Instead of trying to deny the reality and ‘ascend’ away from it. I believe many are looking for their ‘looksmatch’ which would be eac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:06 PM
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I disagree. It’s a term that is emerged to describe a recent phenomenon. It is used by journalists and researchers. And it is not an indentity choice as you implied. Some people may ‘self diagnose’ to seek support but it’s a term with a clear definition and involuntary is literally in the name. Edit: I just noticed that you went back and rewrote your original comment, and now you’re arguing over semantics..nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 08:53 PM
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The post you linked is the kind an incel would cherry pick to discount all femcels. Women are generally supportive and wouldn’t call out OP, but there are plenty of trucels in other posts. As I mentioned in another comment. This solution is based on the types of cels that respect each other and understand each other and are trucels. And to be fair I did find one comment asking her why she went out with the stereotypical chad and what she was expecting to happen? and it wasn’t downvoted and OP re…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:46 PM
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I agree with you, but incel is a scientific term to describe someone’s situation not a lifestyle choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:26 PM
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This is the stereotype (chasing Becky and Stacy) and a similar one exists for femcels (Chad Only), but in reality many posters are not looking for those types and rather the most basic human connection/intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:20 PM
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Yes those are called normies. So just because people chose to be part of a support community of people with similar problems... they should be vetoed from consideration for relationships? Anyways the question is specifically about people that do post. Damn these comments are really exposing how little people on this sub understand/empathize with incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:18 PM
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Best not to speak for them. But you’re saying these girls wouldn’t date someone just because they post on the community.. under any circumstances? Seems kind of hypocritical? And seems like they’re missing out on the opportunity to find an SO who understands them on a deep level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:14 PM
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I think those analogies are really extreme. I really don’t feel like there’s nearly that much of a difference in between them.. that is of course if they wanted to understand each other. I think if you spent some time on both subs you’d see what I mean. Curious to hear opinions from regulars there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:04 PM
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Serious question, Why don’t incelswithouthate and trufemcels just date each other? I wrote this up in more detail but post wasn’t accepted. In summary, All cels share the same experiences, mentality, complaints, and aspirations. It would be hard for them to find anyone who could relate or understand them better outside their community. I don’t think it’s high standards. Regular posters seem to be pretty self-aware and humble. And there’s definitely enough trucels in both camps. What am I missing…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:36 PM
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Yeah I agree. I was just referencing the OP. Edit: I’m just trying to say society’s hierarchy isn’t solely based on attracting the opposite gender as assumed by OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 01:49 PM
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Almost everyone is desperate for status tho. Not just to attract or impress an SO, but for their own personal ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 01:35 PM
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Are you me? I’m in the exact same situation. Gym is the only place I go, but I’m a regular and I don’t want to get a bad reputation. I’m also very sensitive to making someone uncomfortable. I had the perfect opportunity with a cool girl on Wednesday when we were standing alone together at the drinks stand, but I chickened out. I had actually timed it intentionally when I saw that she was leaving. But in the moment my mind just shuts down. I forget how to speak, stand, walk, what to do with my ar…
/r/seduction13/11/20 09:54 AM
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She seems relatively well adjusted to me. Not stuck up or anything. But that’s her public image I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:22 PM
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Wow first I’ve heard of all this. Can’t blame her tho. Hard to survive being a child actor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 04:02 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 03:46 PM
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No mention of Natalie Portman?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 10:00 AM
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That’s more or less what I’m looking for/my fantasy. And I assume that a girl close to that exists somewhere out there. But I don’t see how we would ever meet or get as far as knowing each other due to lack of social skills. She’s probably home alone every night too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:05 PM
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I was actually just thinking about this the other day. As I was falling asleep, I remembered that I had a couple women’s accessories in the drawer next to me that I had bought years ago. I actually ended up giving a brand new handbag to a charity shop because I was too embarrassed to continue owning it. But I am aware that it’s pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 11:32 AM
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If you’ve ever been to the gym with a tank top you’d know it actually feels pretty good esp if you’re somewhat insecure or starved for attention. If I was a girl I’d be doing the same. I understand where you’re coming from tho minus the language.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 05:21 PM
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Then why not move to Saudi Arabia?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 05:11 PM
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