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CMVimnotfeelingsogood69/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 07:45 PM
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Scienceimnotfeelingsogood69/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:04 AM
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CMVimnotfeelingsogood69/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 02:37 PM
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i'm tired of hearing men say things like "i'm not shallow at all, I'll fuck a girl as long as shes not 300 pounds and bald. on the other hand, women are so shallow they will be a 5/10 and will only fuck guys 8+". You're assuming that having low or lower standards only applies to casual sex when that's not necessarily the case. shallowness is actually dictated by how much appearance, as opposed to other qualities Debateable. Seeking high status/wealthy partners is often described as being "shallo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/21 05:26 AM
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People can change their minds after saying “no”, “no” doesn’t mean “never”. Hell, even “never” doesn’t mean “never”. How many abusive partners have hit their partners after promising to never strike them again?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 08:54 AM
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That doesn’t mean average or below average girls aren’t getting messages. Just because hot girls get significantly more attention doesn’t mean you’re getting little or no attention. That’s like saying you’re poor because you’re comparing yourself to bill gates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 06:45 PM
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you guys like claiming “objectivity” when thinks prove your viewpoint Where did I claim that attractiveness what objective? I never did. while most men give only super hot girl a chance Again, that’s not what the data shows. Don’t make me repeat myself. and yet the 80/20 rule I don’t believe in the 80/20 rule......
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 06:17 PM
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Ok, and? It doesn’t matter, it demonstrates that women have skewed standards and rate the majority of men as being below average. Relative message distribution doesn’t show that men are ignoring average and below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:53 PM
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The messaging statistic shows the distribution of messages, it’s relative. It doesn’t mean that men aren’t messaging average woman often, it just means that they are messaging attractive women more. Ironically, you neglect to mention that women receive more messages than men all around. Full OKCupid post: https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:27 PM
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If you remember the livestream I'd love to check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 04:22 PM
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Its important to ask oneself, "true or not, how do my beliefs serve me?" And I believe that the blue pill beliefs serve people better. They are more positive and hopeful. TRP and TBP are both rather optimistic and emphasize personality, albeit different types of personalities Better to encounter a few shitty women along the way to find someone cool, then to dismiss all women, including the cool ones, as AWALT. This is a pretty subjective value judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 02:55 PM
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I think I changed the flair to "discussion", did I not? Did you change it back?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 12:41 PM
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If she’s only nice to you because you make more than she does, you picked wrong Victim-blaming You have no way of knowing how she’d treat you if she was making more
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 08:13 AM
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Correlation does not prove causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 08:10 AM
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However, when the issue of obesity is brought up on this subreddit, it’s always framed as an issue in regarding female attractiveness, which is not something I am offended by, because as a former fat person I readily acknowledge that being overweight makes you less attractive. However, we know that obesity doesn’t just negatively impact women, it also negatively impacts men, and is probably one of the biggest contributors to a lot of issues trp talks about. The OP opposes focusing on female obes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:12 AM
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The point is that people agree to things they don't enjoy doing for a number of reasons. And it is perfectly consensual. You said that you have a problem with: letting someone put a body part of theirs INSIDE a body part of yours without you being really into it. allowing them to use your body for their own jollies when you're not into it. I certainly wouldn't be into getting fucked in the ass but I'd do it if the reward was big enough. Therefore, this situation fits into the qualifications you …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:11 AM
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Are Western men fat? Sure. But Western women are fatter: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/fvaqtk/waist_circumference_statistics_suggest_that_women/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/d8jli3/new_study_shows_that_women_might_be_much_fatter/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Judging obesity by BMI alone is likely 1) to misclassify heavy and muscular men as being obese. 2) to misclassify normal we…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:11 PM
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I might have gay sex for enough money, yeah. I wouldn’t enjoy it, I wouldn’t be into it. But I’m not going to cry rape or coercion because I agreed to it, for money in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:49 AM
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giving an ultimatum for them to get help This does not resolve someone’s desire to not be stuck in a celibate relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:47 AM
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Well you are comparing apples and oranges, people absolutely have the right to leave the relationship at any time and for whatever reason. Firing someone isn’t the same thing, there’s something called labor law. In my opinion though, employers should be allowed to fire people whenever they want though, so I would consider that morally consensual. If you agree to suck a dick in exchange for keeping a job. People get laid off all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:45 AM
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if that’s all it takes then why don’t you let someone stick it up in you I would if there was a good amount of money involved. In that case I certainly wouldn’t enjoy it, I wouldn’t be into it, but I’m not gonna cry “rape” because I agreed to do it for the money. Just like how women agree to sex with their betabux in exchange for financial support. also not all relationships are based on sex The vast majority of men do not want to be celibate. why not ask why this is happening 1) This isn’t mutu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:42 AM
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you are basically forcing her to choose between having sex when she doesn’t want to or losing the relationship. Yes, and? So what? No one is entitled to a relationship. People expect certain things in relationships, sex is often one such thing. If you can’t deliver something as simple as that then they have every right to dump your ass and look for someone who will. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:42 AM
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Not enjoying sex =/= really hating it Not enjoying sex =/= misery “Not enjoying sex” can mean viewing it as like a bad massage, or some chore that you’re too lazy to do, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:39 AM
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You’re either a troll or genuinely retarded. Like a pendulum going back and forth. You responded “yes” when I asked if you think society would view ultimatums recipient. Society = third party observer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:31 PM
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Ok but you made the claim that prostitution is inherently non consensual because it’s not “””enthusiastic””” and that claim includes all prostitutes. You used things like sex trafficking and drugging to support this claim We bring up the existence prostitutes that are working of their own volition, for financial gain. Who arguably comprise most prostitutes, but at the very least exist, that disproves your argument. And just because they’re killing themselves doesn’t mean what they’re doing is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:24 PM
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Ah yes, planned parenthood, an ideologically driven organization is the ultimate authority on what consent means. Not dictionaries or courts. And the “enthusiastic” standard is only applied to sex for some reason, no one ever describes people working jobs they hate as forced labor or non-consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:22 PM
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Recipient of the ultimatum =/= third parties judging the exchange
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:20 PM
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Do you genuinely believe that society would view the ultimatums I gave as examples negatively?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:27 PM
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in which she offers Where is the “coercion” if she is the one offering sex in exchange for something she wants? She’s just a whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:26 PM
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It’s not a false equivalency, I brought up another hypothetical in my other comment, which you clearly ignored Besides, you are simply misdefining consent, no ifs and buts, if you conflate it with enjoying the activity in question. People can consent to things they don’t enjoy, including sex, if they stand to gain in some other way. Consent just means you agreed to do it. That’s it. Use a dictionary pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 11:09 AM
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Well, if women never agreed to maintenance sex because of sex ultimatums, we wouldn’t be having this conversation would we? And I believe you were referring to how society views ultimatums, not how the person the ultimatum is directed towards would view it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 11:02 AM
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there’s no way to be sure whether she is independent or not Oh give me a break, how are you so sure of that? Some high class escorts are independent and work independently. Some places prostitution is legal and regulated to prevent trafficking. Paying a random woman for sex is even prostitution, no pimps involved. These are the situations analogous to a sex ultimatum in a relationship, she’s not being held against her will, drugged, etc. The door is right there should she refuse. Let’s see how m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:57 AM
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“Start paying part of the rent or this relationship is over” “Get a job or this relationship is over” “Stop smoking or this relationship is over” Do you seriously believe that most people would have a problem with these statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:36 AM
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having sex with someone who doesn’t want it is gross Why? Because you’re disgusted at the thought of having sex with a betabux? Please do not conflate wanting sex or enjoying sex with consenting to sex. We can consent to sex even though we don’t want to do it, or enjoy doing it. Typically because there is some benefit other than sexual gratification. Like money for example. Prostitutes and gold diggers are a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:30 AM
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There’s also informal prostitution, like a gold digger relationship where the woman expects money and nice things and the man expects sex. There isn’t even a pimp involved here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:28 AM
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Independant prostitutes are a thing you know..... you just don’t threat your partner Well that’s just your unsubstantiated opinion, isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 01:03 AM
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How do you hamster yourself into “a woman choosing to whore herself out for money isn’t doing it willingly” Please, enlighten me. a lot of things used in last resort aren’t used in normal conversation because they’re not healthy Or maybe because it could result in the relationship ending? And they don’t want that? it’s cornering in the sense that there isn’t a place for healthy discussion The “””healthy””” discussion could have already happened, to no avail. And frankly sometimes there is no pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:18 AM
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it tells a lot about a person they can have sex knowing that their partner isn’t into it Alexa, what are prostitutes? my needs aren’t met and I’m considering leaving the relationship Discussion and ultimatums are not mutually exclusive. Ultimatums may be preceded by fruitless discussion. Some women are so repulsed by their betabuxx so as to refuse sex altogether instead of just starfishing. If used, ultimatums should be a last resort. the second is a threat and corners your partner There is no “…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:03 AM
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If she still wants the betabux $$$ and he’s too much of a bitch to leave her I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:58 PM
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Ultimatums and discussions are not mutually exclusive. Sometimes discussions are not fruitful. A woman with a betabuxx she doesn’t find attractive might be positively repulsed by the thought of sex with him. Ultimatums are a last resort. And frankly sometimes people aren’t willing to compromise, isn’t that their right? Don’t we get to set our standards for what we require in our relationships? Freedom of choice right? Only for women I guess. to force your partner No one is being forced to do any…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:56 PM
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And enough with the false equivalencies please. Sex in a relationship is the norm, it’s expected, not optional or a bonus. Like paying a share of rent/bills if you move in together. You wouldn’t be flipping out if a someone issued an ultimatum to contribute to rent or the relationship is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:51 PM
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If the prostitute told you that you’re repulsive and made you pay extra would that change things?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:47 PM
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I said multiple times, whether in this conversation or others, that I don’t think it’s healthy either, but enough is enough. We don’t call women thieves for pestering their partners to buy them things, it’s unhealthy relationship. That’s it. And that’s and all sexless relationship with a sex ultimatum is. Why waste your time with someone who isn’t even attracted to you. That was never in dispute. You’re shifting the goalposts. it isn’t caring, it isn’t loving I don’t think it is either but you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 11:38 PM
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You talked about women having sex they don’t like. That’s what prostitutes do for a living.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:23 PM
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You realize that smokers can avoid subjecting others to second hand smoke by smoking outdoors and away from others, right? But the more important thing is that you’re literally demonstrating one of my problems with this hand wringing. Why is sex so special that it warrants it’s own set of rules? Well? People issue ultimatums all the time and most of the time no one bats an eye. Why should this be any different?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:14 PM
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I think from now on I’m just going to copy paste when people avoid addressing what I say. That still doesn't mean she will like having sex with her clients Which addresses your question of whether the hypothetical sex worker is being “trafficked” or not. She isn’t. But a “trafficked” sex worker is not the best analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:09 PM
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"Trafficked" is a nebulous term that I don't care to debate right now, for the sake of the argument let's say that she is an independent prostitute with no pimp so that she can't be considered "trafficked" by anyone's definition. That still doesn't mean she will like having sex with her clients, any more than we like waking up at 7am every day and going to work. She does it for the money. Just as how a woman dating a betabuxx might agree to starfish sex when faced with an ultimatum of putting ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 08:07 PM
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This is a bit of a red herring, yes being a betabux in a relationship with starfish sex makes you a sucker and you shouldn't do it for your own sake. But I'm sick of efforts by feminist groups to demonize men who do choose to do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:58 PM
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I think what sets off alarms is the idea of someone getting comfortable having sex with a partner who has already clearly expressed that they're not going to like it. So any ugly guy that's fucked a hooker......
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 07:54 PM
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It depends whether you were threatened/manipulated/conditioned or not. No, it doesn't. If you agree to sex because your partner threatened to leave you then that's still 100% willing, you're just doing it because you don't want them to leave you as opposed to you genuinely wanting to have sex. But it's important not to conflate desire with willingness/consent. We can agree to do things that we don't want to do, that we don't like doing, for a number of reasons. You talk things through and you ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 06:46 PM
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Not always Yes, not every single woman who ever lived is that way, no one saying that. We're talking about in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 02:36 PM
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and consent must be willing If you agree to sex because you feel obligated to make your partner happy, because you don’t want your partner to leave you, etc, that’s still 100% willing. if there is an issue in relationships, you talk it through “Just talk it through” as if solving problems is as simple as that. This is only possible if your standards are flexible and in some cases they’re not. If you won’t tolerate smoking any more then it’s quite simple, either they stop smoking or it’s over. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 12:23 PM
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Please make a post with this research, it's a gold mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:28 AM
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They statistically are less likely to be immune to AWALT. This sentence is self-contradicting. It's one thing to use AWALT as a tool to help swing the pendulum in the right direction for heartbroken bluepillers, It's another thing to genuinely believe it at face value, which is frankly absurd. "All women" means "ALL women". I really hope other redpillers genuinely don't think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:26 AM
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and yet it somehow subtracts worth from women It does, sluttier women tend to make for worse LTRs, backed up by research. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/jg5eiz/the_pedestalization_of_virgins_low_n_count_women/g9okyea/ Whether it's causal or not is frankly irrelevant, the point is that if she has a high n-count that's a red flag for LTRs. Even without the plethora of research backing up this idea, logically it makes perfect sense to judge people's personality by their actions …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:23 AM
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The purely anecdotal unsubstantiated shit being said here gets on my nerves. Or they are 18-25yr whores that have experienced any kind of sex, enjoy sex, or something sexual has happened and are damaged goods unworthy of marriage and love. You're trying to redefine cock carousel/whore to any woman that isn't a virgin, which isn't how RedPillers use it from what I have seen. But since you're the one who made the claim it's your responsibility to give examples of TRP saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:18 AM
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You don't convince someone to consent, consent has to be giving willingly and not under any pressure. That's the feminist newspeak definition of consent, which redefines it to only include consent motivated by genuine sexual desire. But just because you are consenting for some reason other than that doesn't mean you aren't consenting, if you agree to do something in exchange for money/resources, because you feel a social obligation to do it, because that's required of you to remain in the relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:10 AM
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ok and? still doesn't change the fact that such tactics are employed. If rape or violence is employed then that's unacceptable regardless of the ages involved but it's not remotely believable to suggest that rape and violence are used in all or even most of these relationships involving significant age gaps. but if you scoop up a teenager with a shit family, no job, no life experience, and tell them "if you don't do X I'm putting your ass out on the street" If they are under 18 they can go back …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:42 AM
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Which country or US state are you from? Would it have been legal for you to date her where you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 11:17 AM
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like taking care of a sick partner At worst, not doing this makes you a bad partner. it can not be an open prohibition The examples you gave are better described as convincing someone to consent. “Manipulation” is largely synonymous with “convincing” but with a negative connotation. Wording it as “you can’t refuse” sounds more like threatening rape to me. but we can’t put these things aside They don’t apply in certain situations, like a FWB relationship for instance. There is little no possibili…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 02:26 AM
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I’m happy to call creeps who date 14 year olds hebephiles All of these “chronophilias”, attraction to certain age ranges, refer strictly speaking to preference and not mere attraction. Like sometimes I see people calling those who date 15-17 year olds “pedos” and others going “no it’s ephebophilia” or whatever. Neither is correct, “ephebophilia” refers to those who sexually prefer that age range, mid-late teens in this case. There is no term to describe mere sexual attraction to this age range b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:58 AM
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As I said in my original post, the age of consent is lower than 18 in most places. And pedophilia strictly speaking refers to attraction to prepubescent kids, I would be willing to include early pubescent kids under that label because they're also childish looking. But not mid-late teenagers who far more physically developed and more similar to adults in appearance. you hear the immaturity and most adults would be turned off This is purely anecdotal. I don't like how often unsubstantiated anecdo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:18 AM
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Someone with no maturity or life experience isn't able to make good long term decisions. People make bad decisions all the time. A man with beer googles might decide to take home a fat/ugly girl after a night out and immediately regret his decision the next morning when the goggles come off. People also get into bad relationships where they aren't treated well by their partners. It's one thing to have the best interests of your child in mind and steer them away from these relationships because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 01:02 AM
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The user I was responding to certainly didn't suggest that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 12:46 AM
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rape, violence Yeah this is unacceptable regardless of age. destitution Well, you’re not entitled to someone else’s money, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:02 PM
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What? No, I wouldn’t consider being locked in a room consensual no matter what ages are involved. And neither would most people or redditors for that matter. That is literally restricting your liberty. You’re comparing apples and oranges here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 04:00 PM
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he agreed to take her spare bedroom I highly doubt he agreed to be locked in that room for most of the day. he agreed to grant her the power of an attorney What’s this supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:13 PM
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What about a 15-17 year old kid? What do you think would be acceptable for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:11 PM
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It’s 25 for men and 21 for women I believe. most people get into relationships to get married and have kids This isn’t really true anymore in the West....... they are naive, impressionable Yeah, which is why they have parents to help them make better choices. But is the outrage over these types of relationships warranted over what is essentially regret/heartbreak? Something that isn’t uncommon in dating. I lean more towards disapproval as opposed to outrage for these types of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 03:07 PM
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but hey he consented right he was locked in a windowless bedroom with just a tv and a mattress This is unlawful confinement, he was literally being kept as a prisoner. That’s hardly consensual. took all his money No, that’s not consensual, nor is it legal. forced him into a throuple Depending on what you mean by “forced”, this could be considered sexual assault regardless of the ages involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:55 PM
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neglect “Neglecting” would imply that you have some sort of duty to provide for that person and I’m not sure I agree with using that term in a context of a relationship. It seems quite entitled to suggest that your partner ought to do certain things for you. or that she can’t refuse having sex This doesn’t make sense to me? How would someone be convinced that they can’t refuse? Anyone can refuse sex it’s quite simple. I don’t think that having sex with 15-16 is okay either Relationships, manipul…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 02:51 PM
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What year was that in boomer? I don’t think I’d be thrilled about such a relationship if it was my kid, but at the same time I agree that people today seem to blow it out of proportion. Calling a relationship like that “pedo” is lumping it in with catholic priests molesting little kids and tween boys. Teens that age can make bad decisions, which is what parents are for. To stop them from making bad decisions. But they understand what they are doing. When I was 16 me and all of my peers certainly…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:32 PM
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Anecdotally, boys are generally regarded as less mature than girls of the same age. Scientifically, neuroscientists have found that teenage girls a few years ahead of boys in brain development. And girls also physically develop faster/earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:26 PM
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Some of them will be 18 this year, but it's stunning to me the differences in emotional development and maturity that occur when you've lived on your own, held a job, and just aren't being taken care of anymore. What implications does maturity in terms of life experience have for dating? The more time I spend working in high schools, the less I understand how people think high schoolers of any gender or age are attractive. Attraction is in large part physical and by that age we’re generally quit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:24 PM
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but I do think older men who exclusively hit on people in their late teens can be bad prospects looking for someone who won’t notice their flaws Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:20 PM
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it makes me think you’d go even lower if it wasn’t prosecuted Agreed, but how much lower? If someone dates 17 year olds in a state where the age of consent is 17 they would probably go for 15-16 if it was legal, because they are similarly developed. But not necessarily a much younger person who is much less developed, like a 12-13 year old. leading someone naive and “molding”(read - abusing and traumatizing) I see this brought up a lot but what does this entail exactly? Beating? Rape? Trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:17 PM
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There’s probably something not okay about the older adult I would disagree, it’s not abnormal for people of all ages to be attracted to mid-late teens because they’ve been through puberty and look similar to adults. There is a very danger of massive power imbalances in that type of relationship “Power imbalances” can certainly contribute to a bad relationship by enabling mistreatment, like a wife not leaving her violent husband for financial reasons. But is there a problem with “power imbalances…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 01:08 PM
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I’m not sure if they care too much about having deep and thoughtful conversations with those girls lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 12:50 PM
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Perhaps there is nothing wrong with people on the incel level having to make a lot more effort at raising there physical appearance than avg. guys. Or at least it is a less unfair option than forcing women to pair up with them at their raw, unenhanced appearance levels. "Oh no, those poor women can't have chad, they have to settle for their looksmatch" Womp womp
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 11:22 AM
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Nah gigacope. The redpill guys who posted on the ppd selfie were pretty good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 04:18 AM
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What about non-short Asians?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:29 AM
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I disagree, I think you there are at least two other sources of value in evolutionary aesthetics. Fertility We seek to reproduce with partners that are capable of producing children, ideally healthy children. There's no point to being sexually attracted to them if they have trouble or are wholly incapable of producing offspring, no matter how good their genes are. This is why we find younger people more attractive than older people, no matter the sex. The offspring of older men are more likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:06 AM
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Yes, if you're not gay you're a cuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:19 AM
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I missed it, can you repost?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:18 AM
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90 percent of men are gross. Femoid tier IQ. Just because you only want chad doesn't mean 90% of men are gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 01:56 AM
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kickhimout2020 Bold of you to assume that she owns the place and can actually do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 01:00 PM
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I mean that's the point isn't it? If they don't wanna have sex then the relationship ends. You're right and I never suggested otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 09:45 PM
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Right What is with you and selectively quoting part of people's comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 09:15 PM
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MRAs have been trying to expand the definition of rape to ridiculous extremes How so? Also, your plan to push back on what was never your right to harrass people? Obtaining sex by repeatedly asking, guilting, or threatening break-up is not "harassment" as per the legal definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 07:26 PM
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This is an appeal to popularity fallacy, just because my opinion is unpopular doesn't mean I'm wrong. There was a time when racial equality was unpopular. You are highly mistaken about how popular your stance is, because so called "sexual coercion" is not a crime in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 07:22 PM
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If that person is presented with this ultimatum, they may still choose to have sex even if they don’t want to. Once that happens the person soliciting sex may have crossed the line into rape. From my post: They make the mistake of conflating consent to sex with enjoyment of sex when they push the idea of "enthusiastic consent". It is possible for someone to consent to things that they don't necessarily enjoy doing, for various different reasons. I can agree to work for someone even though I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 04:06 PM
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This is different than just putting out an Sex or else ultimatum An ultimatum implies that she can decline. Therefore she has a choice whether to have sex with him or not. So he is not entitled to sex with her, but he can exercise his rights to leave the relationship should she refuse. It’s better to try to work out the problem and communicate needs first The only difference between what you suggest and an ultimatum is the tone. The message is fundamentally the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:51 PM
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In the same way, "there's nothing wrong with a woman using blackmail threats of saying he raped her, to get him to do what she wants." I think people have a right to refuse to be in a relationship with someone with someone but that people don't have a right to get someone wrongfully imprisoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:49 PM
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Why does anyone "deserve" imprisonment for consensual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:36 PM
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even punishable by law This so-called "sexual coercion" is generally not a crime in American criminal law.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:33 PM
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"I want sex or I'm leaving you" does not imply an entitlement to sex. She can refuse him sex just as he can refuse her a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:32 PM
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It should be though Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:30 PM
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If you make me an offer and I say "no," then the refusal is set. To continue the conversation is to ignore the refusal. That is not the same. In the situation you gave, you ignore their refusal because you were initially trying to push an offer, they refuse, and you keep doing what you were doing. In the context of sex that would be like initiating sex, they refuse, and you proceed to sex anyways. IE rape. If you acknowledge the refusal by stopping sexual activity, then you have not ignored it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:28 PM
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Your definition of "hurt" is very broad and is essentially "doing anything that negatively affects someone". I personally define "hurt" as infringing on their bodily autonomy by hitting them, raping them, etc. Why is it wrong? There is a simple choice offered here. One party wants sex if they are to stay in the relationship. If the other party chooses to exercise their right not to have sex then they will exercise their right to leave the relationship. Why do you feel that women are entitled to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:15 PM
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I often hear from liberal feminists that any sort of sex is okay as long as it is consensual, and that is the position I am taking here. As long as there is consent there is no issue. So... to counter. I would posit that emotional abuse is bad Can you define "emotional abuse"? It can also include purposefully damaging someone's self esteem to the point they are unable to resist further. Unable? More like unwilling. You are capable of talking. You are capable of saying "no" or "stop". But you may…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:11 PM
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WTF? I wasn't talking about obtaining sex by threatening violence(which is rape). I was talking about things like getting sex through guilt, annoying them, threatening break-up, etc. I clearly said in my title that obtaining sex through threats of violence is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:04 PM
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Aren't pestering and guilting examples of "ignoring someone's clear refusal"? You aren't ignoring someone's refusal if you stop and try to change their mind. They refused and you stopped, but people can change their minds and changing someone's mind is not rape. What is rape is not stopping at "no" and having sex anyways. Whether you coerce at knifepoint or just by your refusal to leave Well, repeatedly pestering someone does not imply that. Perhaps they haven't asked you to leave. Or perhaps th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:02 PM
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I mean, just because your partner isn't enjoying sex doesn't mean that you won't enjoy it. And why someone would want to do this is kind of besides the point, the point is that it isn't rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 03:00 PM
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This so called "psychological coercion" is not generally considered rape in American criminal law.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 02:59 PM
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artificial behaviour where you make her feel negative emotions such guilt or fear in order to get something its manipulation. Well, if you threaten someone and instill fear into them in order to get sex that is already considered rape. As for guilt, what's the problem? Self-interest isn't the only reason people agree to do things. If she feels bad about declining sex so she agrees to sex to make herself feel better then why is that a problem? It is still consensual, she is not being forced to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 01:36 PM
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perhaps they know they did something wrong Why is it wrong to convince people to do what you want as long as you aren't forcing them to do anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 01:32 PM
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How can it be "borderline rape" if SHE is the one re-initiating sex? Why should it be illegal? It is 100% consensual, she is doing it of her own free volition. The fact that she was convinced to do it by some way doesn't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 01:31 PM
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Are you brain dead? The point is that it's not counted as "rape" by the CDC(who provides these statistics) when a woman forces sex onto a man, because he isn't being penetrated, and rape is defined as nonconsensual sex where the victim is being penetrated. Not all nonconsensual sex is considered rape by them. Whether it should be considered "rape" or not is a semantic issue that I don't think is really important. But "being made to penetrate" equivalent to "rape". And men "being made to penetrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:08 AM
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"79% of male victims of being MTP reported only female perpetrators." "Male rape victims predominantly had male perpetrators, but other forms of sexual violence experienced by men were either perpetrated predominantly by women (i.e., being made to penetrate and sexual coercion) or split more evenly among male and female perpetrators (i.e., unwanted sexual contact and noncontact unwanted sexual experiences)." Note that "rape" is defined by the CDC as sexual violence where a victim is penetrated. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 03:01 AM
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Those are the lifetime statistics, how many have been raped/made to penetrate someone in their lifetime. I was talking about 12 month prevalence, what percentage of people have been raped or made to penetrate in the past 12 months. I previously noted that the lifetime victimization rate for men was lower. But lifetime victimization rates are less important here, because they don't accurately show how common it is right now. It doesn't account for victims who have been victimized more than once, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:57 AM
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https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/datasources/nisvs/summaryreports.html I also edited my previous comment. You continue to ignore most of my points. What I was told growing up is fundamentalist cult stuff It was just an expression. The overwhelming message from society that we hear is that men are the overwhelming majority of sexual violence perpetrators, therefore people are disinclined to believe evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:38 AM
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I should also note that CDC definitions of "rape" and "made to penetrate" are not limited to PIV and anal sex, but also include oral sex. So a woman being fingered without her consent, and a man's dick being sucked without his consent, are both counted as "rape" and "made to penetrate", respectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:36 AM
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I get what you’re saying but at some point in order to rape you have to actually take action and get on top of someone.'' https://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/16/world/ruling-on-tight-jeans-and-rape-sets-off-anger-in-italy.html I guess she wasn't raped because she co-operated with her rapist. Co-operating and submitting to your attackers wishes after they ignore your refusal IS NOT consent. If someone says no and you ignore that and proceed with sexual activity anyways that is rape regardless of what…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 02:31 AM
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ll the ppl watching those women being abused porns would say their sex is nonviolent. Red herring. That's completely irrelevant to my point that rape doesn't have to be violent, it doesn't have to involve tying people up, it doesn't have to involve physical resistance on the part of the victim, etc. If someone says "no" or "stop" and you ignore that and proceed anyways that's rape. So women not being interested in being dominant and violent does not mean that they can't be rapists. I’m going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:56 AM
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So many women don’t even like sex enough to consent w an average guy I don't think that, but even if I did........ and I’m supposed to believe they want it enough to be forceful Who said that the men being "made to penetrate" by women are average? The CDC statistics line up quite well with the idea that women really, REALLY, want Chad. The 12 month victimization rates for men and women are similar, but the lifetime victimization rate for men is lower, meaning that although female on male attacks…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:49 AM
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Rapists don't necessarily need to have a rape fetish, if you really want to have sex with someone and you are too selfish to respect their refusal then you're a rapist. Rapists don't need to be super dominant, rape doesn't need to be violent, feminists have been saying this for decades(and I agree). But suddenly you change your tune when that logic is applied to women who force sex on men. Cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:38 AM
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How many men complain about women being dead starfish in bed? And those same women supposedly like sex so much they are forcing themselves on men? Not a chance. Perhaps the women who are starfishing are not the same women as the ones forcing themselves onto men? You aren't implying that, gasp, all women are the same, are you? Perhaps some men are the type of men that women starfish for, some men are the ones that women force themselves onto, and the former is more vocal than the latter? You are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:31 AM
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You haven't provided a source for that claim, but regardless, that's not relevant and besides the point. He was comparing the prevalence of men being made to penetrate by women to the prevalence women being raped by men. And they are quite similar. It's about as common for women to force sex on men as vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/20 01:19 AM
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Comparing gold-digging to NSA sex is disingenious to say the least. Benefit derived from sex is mutual. Both parties feel pleasure, even if the woman does not orgasm. Women may not realize it because you have easy access to it, but that's like a billionaire telling a hobo that money doesn't matter. Women don't need to date him or have sex with hem to exploit him for money Men don't derive benefit from a woman exploiting his thirst for money, if he showers her with gifts and she doesn't put out, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/20 07:03 AM
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marginally fatter Marginally? Give me a break. The discrepancy in the prevalence of male and female waist obesity, measured by waist circumferences, is significant. And women date out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 08:47 AM
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I see apple shaped women all the time You have provided nothing but anecdotes. I have scientific evidence that women tend to be pear shaped. 12% of women “a lot” 12% is not a lot. so you get fat Don’t get fat then especially since the sugar heavy western diet Thats my point. They don’t have big bellies because their fat goes straight to their belly. They have big bellies because they’re fucking fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/20 08:44 AM
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You just said you thought apple shape women were “coping fatties” when they are a legit and common body type Proving that something exists does not prove that it is common. and getting more prevalent as the rates of metabolic syndrome increase: https://www.healthlinkbc.ca/health-topics/tm6339spec You're mixing up cause and effect. Metabolic syndrome refers to health problems caused by excess fat around the abdomen. In other words, people, especially women, being pigs who are unable to stop stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 10:00 PM
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If you think men are failing in their role as providers then the onus is on you to provide non-anecdotal evidence to support that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:52 PM
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You don't need to be an abuser yourself to support the abuser's imperative. How do I know that the accuser must be telling the truth and the person defending themselves is lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:51 PM
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Just because some abusers will deny the accusations does not mean that anyone who denies accusations of abuse must be abusers. This is an association fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy "John is a con artist. John has black hair. Therefore, all people with black hair are con artists."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:13 PM
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And some women are bad homemakers. We can give examples all day of one gender failing to fulfill their role in their family, but that doesn't prove that such behavior is common or widespread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 09:08 PM
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Your "source" is some photos of apple shaped women? Are you fucking kidding me? That proves nothing. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130111092721.htm Women have smaller waists. Women tend not to store fat in their abdomen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 08:42 PM
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It is a biological reality that women are predisposed to store fat in their thighs, hips, and butt instead of their abdomen. If you’re a woman and you’re getting a big gut, then that means you are extremely overweight. Women with big bellies probably underestimate how fat their thighs, hips , and butt, are, and they think “woe is me my fat goes straight to my belly”, when in reality they are just coping fatties with fat all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:08 PM
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You’re just spouting pure conjecture at this point. It is scientific fact that women are biologically predisposed to have significantly smaller waists than men. Perhaps those “apple shape” women are really just coping fatties, if they really were unfortunate then they would have big bellies with smaller thighs/buts. But I have never seen women like that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:04 PM
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I don’t have a 40” waist. But you don’t need to be a fat guy for the to be unfair for you. Because even if we lived in a perfect monogamous world where 5/10s paired with 5/10s, and 6/10s with 6/10s, etc, men would be stuck with women that are fatter than themselves. If you are a decently fit guy you might have to settle for chubby girls, if you are a chubby guy you’d have to settle for really fat girls, etc. There are fewer fit women compared to fit guys. But even worse still, that’s not the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 06:01 PM
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You’re being extremely dishonest. “Apple shaped” women do exist but they are in the minority. Generally speaking, tend to be “pear shaped”, accumulating fat in their buttocks, hips, and thighs, whereas men are the ones more likely to gain fat around their abdomen. Sorry, but cherry picking exceptions to the rule is not an argument. It’s as ridiculous as me using the existence of female murderers to try and claim that women are more violent than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/20 04:09 AM
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You’re strawmanning. I wasn’t talking about body fat percentage, I was talking about waistline. Women aren’t supposed to have a waistline that is almost as big as a man’s. Even when we account for biological differences between men and women, women are still fatter. Did you even read my post? blame your fellow thirsty dudes I blame the sexual revolution for enabling hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:25 PM
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Women are supposed to have more fat, yes. But the fat is supposed to be concentrated in the breasts, buttocks, thighs, and hips. Women are so obese to the point where their waistlines are approaching that of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/20 05:21 PM
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Why not? In my personal opinion, the idea behind looksmatch is that if you took a man and hypothetically had every single woman in the country rate him on a 7 point scale Very unattractive Unattractive Below average Average Above average Attractive Very attractive Assigned a point value of 1-7 for each rating, and average the ratings, that would be his aggregate rating. Do this for every man. The men with the rating closest to the median rating would be average in the eyes of women. If the media…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 02:06 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:50 AM
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You don’t understand the concept of looksmatch. If top 70% of women are able to date the top 20% of men, that doesn’t mean they are equally attractive, it just means that women have higher standards and men have lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/20 01:49 AM
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Women telling men that “sex isn’t important” when they can get sex easily is like a billionaire telling a homeless person that money isn’t important. Women don’t need to orgasm to feel pleasure. And they can have sex with sober men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/20 10:50 PM
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This is like saying lifts make men look better. It's an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 10:54 PM
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I don't think men not getting laid in of itself is a problem. However, I do think that the inequality in the dating market between men and women is a problem, since many women arguably do not deserve the men they are with. Or to put it the other way, for men who are with someone, they probably deserve better. The research on this has been hashed out so many times here, I'm sure that we are all familiar with it, so I'm not going to expand Men not getting laid is simply a negative effect of this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:52 PM
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The onus is on you to prove your claim by showing causation, not for him to disprove it by showing lack thereof. And the other user did prove an example of how technological advances have made society more gender egalitarian. Technology reduced the amount of time that women needed to spend doing housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/20 07:43 PM
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How do you know that it's the men that are the issue and not you? Also, women are fatter than men: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/d8jli3/new_study_shows_that_women_might_be_much_fatter/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/20 08:58 PM
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Women put out early for chad and make betabux billy wait for sex. I can't speak for all people, but if a girl made every guy she met wait for sex, then I would have no issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 02:09 AM
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Men don't need to pay in order to demonstrate interest. They only need to offer to pay. FDS can filter out men that don't offer to pay, while also making counter-offers to split the bill or pay for the next date. But they don't. Because "I want an LTR" is a shitty cover up for "I want free meals from simps
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 01:48 PM
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If someone is keeping a "score card" in their marriage Women are the ones doing that with their insistence of splitting chores 50/50. If they expect marriage to be an extension of dating No one thinks they should be the same. We are merely criticizing women for being logically inconsistent and only wanting traditional gender roles when it benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/20 11:28 AM
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Ignoring facts don’t make them go away. I literally just linked a document going over consent/rape definitions in every single state. What you described, sexual blackmail in the workplace, is not a crime and is not considered to be rape in most states. Rape by definition requires force, or threat of force.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 08:29 AM
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No, the laws don't refer to any threats. They refer specifically to threats of force/violence. Here's how some states define consent and lack of consent: https://apps.rainn.org/policy/policy-crime-definitions-export.cfm?state=California&group=9 Indiana: "the victim is compelled by force or imminent threat of force" Idaho: "the victim is prevented from resistance by the infliction, attempted infliction, or threatened infliction of bodily harm, accompanied by apparent power of execution, or is una…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 05:37 AM
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My perspective, and the perspective of the legal justice systems in many states, is that the first two scenarios you described do not amount to rape. Most penal codes specify that force, incapacitation by substances, or age difference is necessary. Don't believe me? See for yourself: https://apps.rainn.org/policy/compare/crimes.cfm. New Jersey and North Carolina are two penal codes that require force or threats for rape. There are many others though. I think rape should be criminalized. The over…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/20 12:56 AM
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Attractive people of both genders are the prize Sure, but ugly women have it wayyyy easier than ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 11:17 PM
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That's targeted towards other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 11:17 PM
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the media is telling us that women are an accessory to the hero Yes, some types of media are primarily targeted towards men and boys. Shocker. Its not about what women are or want, its about what the hero of the story deserves. I.E. Male Entitlement. "Deserve" is too strong of a word. In order for that to be true, media would have to be suggesting that there is something wrong if the hero doesn't get the girl. Merely depicting the hero getting the girl does not necessarily imply that he deserves…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 11:16 PM
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but it can be and has been treated as attempted rape. Source? In some states this could happen, but in many others, force or threat of force is part of their definition of rape. Force, by definition, is compulsion by physical means, like pointing a gun at someone. There is no force in the scenarios you listed, except for the last one. you said these things shouldn't be illegal Yes, and you never addressed any of my arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 06:10 PM
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No sexual harassment is not legal in any state. I was thinking more criminal law, sexual harassment is a civil labor law issue, not a criminal one. You suggested that threatening to fire someone if they didn't have sex with you was rape. 46 states have revenge porn laws Fair enough, these laws are pretty recent so I may have been thinking a few years ago. However, again, you suggested that it was rape to threaten to release nudes to get sex, and that is not always the case, since many states inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 05:50 PM
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You’re simply wrong, the first two are legal in many US states. And calling someone a nutcase does not make them wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 04:01 AM
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I want to make a important distinction between the last one and the others. As in "I'll sink your career if you don't sleep with me." What exactly do you mean by that? How would you sink someone's career. Are we talking about a boss threaten to fire someone, or deny them promotions, if they won't sleep with him? I will address that then, if you meant something else then say so. No one has a right to employment, so if you don't want to oblige with your employer's demands, whatever they may be, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/20 02:22 AM
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half dragged “Half dragged”? Either you are being held against your will or you aren’t. lied to For the last one, yes. However, that lie has nothing to do with whether the sex is consensual or not. She could go into this with no intention of having sex with him, and end up changing her mind. obviously confused It is true that their minds are not particularly sharp while intoxicated. However, obviously they still understand what is going on around them, and thus, are capable of consenting to sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 08:18 PM
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your telling me that behaviour should be legal I have no idea how drunk those girls are when they are about to have sex, or how the sexual encounter goes. Were they aware that he was making sexual advances? Were they capable of saying “no”, and did they say “no”? Did they explicitly say “yes”? The video you linked does not depict a sexual encounter, so we don’t know. If they can still speak, and understand what’s going on around them, and are thus capable of agreeing to and declining sex, then t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 07:32 PM
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sexual coercion Verbally pressuring someone into sex is not a crime. they plyed with drinks Having sex with a drunk person is not a crime. This myth needs to die. It only becomes a legal issue when they are incapacitated to the point of near unconsciousness, to the point not understanding what’s going on around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:27 PM
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Firstly, leaving someone is not as bad as beating them. No one has a right to force someone else to stay in a relationship with them. Also “They made poor life decisions” is often said in the context of abused women complaining about how men suck. Judging Depp for his poor life decisions is a separate issue from determining who wronged who. You can assign the blame to the abuser while still criticizing the abused party for making bad life choices. Virtually no one will disagree that it is the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/20 06:22 PM
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"There is also a "close in age" exception for 12 and 13 year olds. A 12 or 13 year old can consent to sexual activity with a partner as long as the partner is less than two years older and there is no relationship of trust, authority or dependency or any other exploitation of the young person." https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/other-autre/clp/faq.html
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 11:50 PM
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I think 13 year olds are allowed to consent to sex with someone not more than two years older in Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 03:39 PM
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In some places, “romeo and juliet” laws allow 13 year olds to consent to sex with those close in age to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 10:48 AM
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You think a 13 year old in present-day Yemen consents to marrying a 30 year old? No, but they can meaningfully consent to marrying someone close in age. 13-16 year old girls were considered women ready for child-bearing. And the same could for boys slightly older than that. The male age of consent for marriage was 14. But many people did not marry that young. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern The average age of marriage for women was in the early-mid 20s for women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/19 08:42 AM
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No it did not. In both Christian and Islamic societies, marriage required the consent of both parties. Women could also own property in both Christian and Islamic societies. Just because women had fewer rights than men does not mean that they were considered "property".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 11:33 PM
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The latter does not imply the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 09:13 PM
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rape culture If you want to see what actual rape cultures are, look at Islamic societies. Western societies do not encourage or normalize rape. high rates of sexual assault on college campuses Source? The studies I have seen on this are all severely flawed. wage gap Women getting paid less for making different career choices is not sexism. abortion rights Not sexism because there is no male equivalent of abortion. or trivializing Yes, we believe that you exaggerate the prevalence of sexual assau…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:50 PM
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both could have existed But you only talked about one of then in your comment. When I disagreed with your claim that exchanging resources for sex is rape, you pivoted to “well women were taken as slaves”. That’s a goalpost shift. You make a point. It gets debunked. You immediately pivot to another point. we’re talking about women The fact that abuses were committed against both sexes of conquered territories suggests that the narrative you painted is misleading. The conquerors didn’t care much a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:43 PM
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Source. From my knowledge, this actually varied widely. The Mongols did not loot or enslave people in cities who surrendered peacefully, without a fight. European Crusaders mainly took male Muslim POWs as slaves. And men who weren’t killed were also enslaved. But a lot of men were just killed. I would rather be a woman, thank you very much. Again, you moved to goalposts from “women had to agree to be war brides in order to not starve” to “women were taken as slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:37 PM
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war brides were basically slaves Goalpost shift. You said that they could choose to agree to sex or starve, implying that the conquerors offered to provide for them in exchange for sex. That isn’t slavery. I would like to see what you would do. Of course I would agree to sex to have them provide for me. But I agreed to it, in exchange for them protecting me from death from natural causes by providing food for me. So it isn’t rape. I even gave two examples to illustrate this idea. As the other co…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:18 PM
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White male “sexism” Disagreeing with modern Western feminism Advocating for men’s rights Advocating for the rights of the accused Suggesting that women are privileged Pointing out innate differences in cognition between the sexes Muslim sexism Honor killings Stipulating that female testimony in court is worth half as much Stipulating that women must obey their husbands Jailing women for not covering up properly Not criminalizing marital rape
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:12 PM
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submit or starve and die If you agree to sex because someone is threatening to kill you, then you were raped. If you agree to sex to get someone to provide for you, then you weren’t raped. You’re a prostitute. They may have died had they not agreed to sex, but their death would have been due to natural causes, not because someone was threatening to kill them. Just because she had to consent to sex in order to not starve does not mean that the consent was invalid. Just as he is not entitled to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 07:07 PM
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You’re moving the goalposts from “women were considered property” to “patriarchy existed”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/19 06:58 PM
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women contributed equally Hunting(typically done by men) was harder and more dangerous than gathering Meat is more nutritious than berries and tubers, meat consumption is what fuelled our growth in brain size In agrarian societies men did more of the backbreaking agricultural labor compared to women, who did the easier work inside the household. Men suffered significantly more workplace deaths and injuries
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 06:32 PM
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All these account for biological differences in body fat between men and women. not that they are, that they might be Which link are you talking about? I provided multiple. And “might be” just means that they aren’t 100% sure, but they don’t need to be 100% sure of something for the data to be valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 06:26 PM
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there was a dude Please stop with the anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 06:15 PM
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You need to provide a source for your claims How many women are skilled and knowledgable enough to perform these wacky martial arts techniques? Which brings me to my next point, it’s significantly easier for a man to knock out a woman by choking her or hitting her on the head, compared to these weird grappling techniques you keep bringing up. “you’re not getting her off” Bullshit. Men are SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 06:14 PM
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The select few instances of women fighting in combat roles in the history of mankind does not prove jack shit. Your anecdotes and cherry-picked examples do not change the scientific consensus that men are significantly stronger than women, and perform better in all fighting sports than women. If you aren’t living under a rock then you would have heard of the controversy surrounding MTF trans athletes in female sports. You say “with the right techniques” women can win fights against men, but the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/19 06:06 PM
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Why do women have so much trouble understanding the concept of an average? Here’s another average for you, men work out more than women: https://www.shape.com/lifestyle/battle-sexes-men-work-out-more-women Women are fatter and less fit than men: https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/11/13/455883665/cdc-more-women-than-men-are-obese-in-america-and-gap-is-widening https://www.fitnessmagazine.com/weight-loss/bmi/why-more-women-are-becoming-obese/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/commen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 08:59 PM
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addicted to porn and video games There is no scientific evidence to support the existence of addiction to video games or porn. very few are organized, responsible, functional adults Low value woman ends up with low value men, shocker. Men on average earn more than women, since we choose higher-paying, more prestigious, career paths than women(STEM vs. humanities for example). It’s hilarious that women with worthless degrees working shit jobs are claiming that we don’t have our lives together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 08:34 PM
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avoid the immature, low value men You only think that they are low value because women have inflated expectations and astoundingly high standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:28 PM
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You're definitely right about men being more violent overall, however when it comes to forms of violence that are generally viewed as gendered(such as rape), that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:19 PM
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It doesn't change the fact that when men would be more capable of violence than you if they were armed the same way. Or that they would be significantly more capable of violence than you if you were both unarmed. Remember, just because it's possible to use weapons in violent crime, doesn't that violent criminals will always use weapons. Criminal penalties are more severe for assaults with weapons, there is a greater risk of causing severe injury or death if you are armed, resulting in even more …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:17 PM
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Crimes that aren't considered to be gendered, like murder, are indeed overwhelmingly perpetrated by men. On the other hand, crimes generally regarded as gendered, like rape, are quite often perpetrated by women: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:14 PM
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Women can absolutely rape men. Rape and assault isn't just penetration, it's all unwanted sexual contact. It's possible, it's just much harder for a woman to rape a man than it is for a man to rape a woman. Firstly, women are much weaker and are usually incapable of physically restraining men. Secondly, the way that our sexual anatomy is designed means that the male is generally to be the active party during sexual intercourse, and it would be harder for a woman to force sex on an unwilling man …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 06:05 PM
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Because no one cares about the feelings of objects You don't need to care about something to have a sense of right and wrong. I couldn't care less if poor people starve to death, doesn't mean that I am willing to cause harm to them. I don't really care about most of the strangers I pass by on the street, doesn't mean that I don't recognize their rights and respect them. And behavior and attitudes that feminists commonly refer to as "objectification" of women typically does not amount to actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 05:40 PM
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Then they wouldn’t objectify someone Just because my beliefs on what is right and wrong are different from yours doesn’t mean that I don’t have a sense of what is right and wrong. Yes Why though? Why can’t “this is not right” be motivation to not do something? Men who are upfront about wanting only casual sex exist. Women who are upfront about wanting a sugar daddy exist. Does the existence of these people not prove that you can have a sense of right and wrong without caring about who someone is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/19 04:04 AM
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when you don’t care about employees as people, there’s nothing stopping from being unethical Wrong. Most people have a general sense of right and wrong that doesn’t require you to care about someone, or be interested in who they are as a person. for it to apply I don’t care about the well-being of strangers, does that mean I would rob them for personal gain in a hypothetical society where there are no consequences? Would all employers that don’t care about the well-being of their employees be wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 04:59 PM
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Stop bringing child labour into this, that’s a separate issue from only caring about how well someone doing their job. And there is an equivalent to child labour laws when it comes to sex, age of consent laws. If an employer is hiring adults for a job, is it wrong to not care about what kind of person they are, and only how well they can do their job? they’re not seen as a person Disagree. Why does not caring about what kind of person someone is mean that I don’t think they are a person? I don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 03:29 PM
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that’s exactly what it is six or half a dozen How so? How does: “Women have no personalities or identities” logically follow from “I’m only interested in women for sex” Why do women feel entitled to attention and bonding from men? Why must a man be interested in who you are just because he wants to have sex with you? and they can be abusive You’re shifting the goalposts. I never said that they couldn’t be abusive, I said that there was nothing wrong with them “objectifying” you. As in only carry…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/19 03:16 PM
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and not act like a selfish misogynistic dick Why shouldn’t they if it gets them laid? exploit, leech, and dehumanize women Are you jealous of their sexual success? What’s wrong with men sleeping around so long as their sexual partners are consenting?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 06:46 AM
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Every woman can be slim in the sense that they don’t have a lot of fat, even if they have a wider frame. You’re not gonna “look fat” simply by having a wider frame. You’re not gonna have a belly, you’re not gonna have thunder thighs, you’re not gonna have prominent cellulite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 06:41 AM
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common things people used to think more often as self-evident, where your worth was very much tied to how much you could provide That's more so contributions to society, as opposed to what they do for a given individual. If I held the view that someone's worth was tied to how much they could provide, it would be in terms of the work they do in society as a whole, such as their their career, how much they pay in taxes, child-rearing, housework, etc. And I don't hold that belief, nor do most peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 02:20 AM
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I wouldn't have any problem with it if there was just as much with men, but there isn't. I want to see a sexy shirtless guy in his 20's eating a hamburger like it's his girlfriend but that rarely happens, all I see is my gender objectified https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/attraction-evolved/201904/what-really-attracts-partners-each-other So when it comes to raw sexual attraction(short term relationships), this study found that men care a lot about body. Women care more about face than bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 02:17 AM
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If she's honest about wanting a sugar daddy then I have no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 02:08 AM
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So if I came up to you and cussed you, your family, your dog, job, loved ones, and fuck your favorite book down to the ground, that wouldn't be doing anything to you? Yep. What if i followed you around without touching you while doing it? This would be give me reasonable belief that you seek to harm me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 01:59 AM
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Say there's nothing wrong until you turn blue, women will still shut your ass down. These two things are not mutually exclusive. Most women don't want someone who only wants them for sex. That doesn't it's not ok to only want from sex from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 01:56 AM
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Correct, I only consider physical contact to fall under "doing something to someone". "Someone" referring to their person, their body. When I say "you did something to me", what I am referring to by "me"? My body obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:18 AM
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Objectification also includes ignoring consent and rape I don't really want to discuss whether rape is "objectification" or not, but most things that fall under "objectionable" are not rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:16 AM
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And? She not behaving in direct violation to social norms You're shifting the goalposts back and forth from social norms to morality. I acknowledged that staring violates social norms. I do not think that is immoral. You said that it is immoral because it makes people uncomfortable, my response to that is discomfort is subjective and caused by your dislike by someone else doing something, even if it's not being done to you. The hijab was an example of this, people can find it uncomfortable. As i…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:13 AM
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it almost always refers to the image of women in in capitalism and art and media Yes, I included that too. From my comment that you originally replied to: Not being interested in women for anything other than sex Sexualization of women in the media Using sex to advertise, like club promoter girls for example I defended these things in my original post. Do you have an argument against my points?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:04 AM
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Men have naturally wider waists than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 03:03 AM
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you keep describing it as a belief and not an action It’s both. Men being interested in women primarily or only for sexual gratification a the belief that some would consider “objectification”, men pursuing women for sex without caring about emotional intimacy or bonding is the action resulting from that. There’s also numerous other examples of things commonly considered to be “sexual objectification of women”, which I listed in the comment that you just responded to. And my original post explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:51 AM
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Men CAN find high n's sexually attractive, but it doesn't make them more sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:27 AM
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A large portion of TRP is dedicated to teaching these supplements, so any proof that TRP works is also proof that the average man can get NSA. TRP can help somewhat but that doesn't mean it can fully correct for the advantage women have in the dating market when it comes to dating up. This is just false, because I don’t see how giving someone a ONS has more value than giving someone constant sex The betabux stereotype is that many married women have occasional starfish sex with their partners. c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:26 AM
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Disagree, men don't find high n-counts sexually desirable. Men do find women who are enthusiastic about sex to be attractive. A woman have a lower n-count and still be enthusiastic about sex with the partners she has had.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:16 AM
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The problem is that muscular men are more likely to be classified as overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:14 AM
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You're not getting it. Women who have low n-counts can also have sex with men relatively early in relationship if they're selective with the men they do date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:11 AM
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A Muslim woman just exists, she’s not doing anything. She's wearing a hijab...... That’s rude, violates social norms, and will end with you being judged for your actions Of course, but is it immoral? If he doesn’t want to be judged and gossiped about It's not that you shouldn't judge him for violating social norms, it's that your judgement is too harsh.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:08 AM
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They’re attracted to overtly sexual women almost exclusively, and yet cannot respect them BECAUSE of their sexual nature. A woman can have a low n-count while simultaneously being very sexual with the partners she has been with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 12:03 AM
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Wait, are you actually making the argument that making someone else very uncomfortable is moral? Making someone uncomfortable in of itself is not immoral, because being uncomfortable is completely subjective. A Muslim woman wearing a hijab might make some people uncomfortable, doesn't mean she did anything wrong. Just because you are uncomfortable at something someone else is doing doesn't mean that they don't have the right to do it. To give another example, if me and my girlfriend are talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 11:59 PM
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This isn't about legality, but morality. I can legally treat him like the creep he is, and warn other people in the bar about him Warn them about what? That he overstepped social norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 11:30 PM
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And? Lemme reword that. What you brought up has nothing to do with the question of "objectification" It has to do with protecting children from inappropriate content. The difference is they do so without their dicks hanging half out of their pants. Women not being not particularly attracted to penises doesn't mean that they aren't attracted to hot men. Most ads sexualizing women don't feature their vaginas. Hetero men and women are attracted to different things, because, well men and women are p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 11:18 PM
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it tends to lead to people to see them as just one trait and as a result of that view, dehumanize them It's not that someone thinks women don't have personality or identity, it's just that they aren't interested in those things. less than the average human and have less to offer and therefore more just/acceptable to treat like shit Thinking that they have have less to offer to doesn't mean you think they deserve fewer rights. Who on earth thinks that someone has fewer rights because they have le…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 11:05 PM
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you’re disregarding their agency and humanity Disagree, someone is not denying that you are human merely by being inconsiderate of your wishes and desires. Nor would they be denying your agency(you're right to do what you want), because they're not making you do anything or doing anything to you. What do you mean by "agency and humanity" anyways? And you need to understand that when you do that, people will respond to you accordingly — including asking you leave their space and not inviting you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:50 PM
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I don't need to define "wrong", we all know what "wrong" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:48 PM
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He’s signaling that he doesn’t care about following rules/norms Again, there's a big gap between not following norms and being willing to harm others and break the law. he doesn’t care about my discomfort Because he has the right to do what he is doing, why should he care? He's not doing anything to you by staring. If you feel that you are within your rights to do something, then you wouldn't care about how others feel. If not, then you would be considerate about how the other parties feel. Like…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:48 PM
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I presume you mean "respect" as in caring about other's wishes and interests. Why must he care about her wishes and interests? Why must he care about her personality just because she wants him to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:45 PM
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If she isn't using that to attack or hate on men, and suggest that men should change, then I wouldn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:34 PM
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It’s reasonable to question why products marketed to men need to show scantily clad women in their commercials. Just because sometimes they do doesn't mean they need to, or that they always do. It comes down to men being more likely to be interested in women primarily or only for sex, than vice versa. You said there is nothing wrong with a guy picking you up at a bar and only seeing you as a sexual conquest, as long as the sex is consensual and he doesn't mislead you. We both acknowledged that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:30 PM
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It was a hypothetical. The most likely explanation was that he interacted with women, and he didn't find them interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:20 PM
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Do you think men don’t want to be seen as a person? I would ecstatic if a 4/10+ girl sexually objectified me......
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:15 PM
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Again, I'm not defending men who get sex by leading on women with the promise of commitment and a relationship, if that's what you are alluding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:14 PM
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Nonono, as in a one time cleaning, maybe the previous owners didn't bother to clean it and it's a complete mess. Then you will never hire them again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:13 PM
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That is violating someone’s agency and humanity. He's not making her do anything nor is he doing anything to her. She just doesn't like something that he is doing. Just because you don't like what someone is doing doesn't mean what they are doing is wrong. How does staring violate your "agency and humanity"? by his actions despite being told to stop If he has the right to do something then he isn't obligated to stop. The manager told her to tone it down or she would be asked to leave. Which they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:12 PM
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That’s a red flag There's a big leap between not caring about social norms and not caring about the law and your bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:11 PM
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So to clarify, you consider men being offended that women reduce men to a single non-sexual trait as comparable to women being offended that men only wanting women for sex? I think anyone here would call out the former as entitled, why not the latter? Whether you agree or not appears to be a value issue, which is something difficult to argue against successfully I'm arguing against it right now. Why are you entitled to have others be interested in you as a person? Why is it wrong for a man to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:08 PM
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Username checks out. Why must I care about your personality? That's what my entire was about. Care to address the points I made?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:06 PM
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Ok, let's say that it's a newly purchased house with nothing in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 10:03 PM
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but generally as well. That's what I'm taking issue with here. I said, and you agreed, that there is nothing wrong with men only being interested in women for sex, and vice versa. Just because you're offended doesn't mean that you should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:58 PM
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The nuance becomes when you deliberately lie to get sex from me. I'm not defending that. Are you talking about attractive women in beer commercials Yeah, let's go with that. Attractive, scantily-clad, women in commercials. the media criticizing a female politician or CEO based on her looks? Not talking about that. I think that’s more in the vein of attaching attractiveness requirements for employment What's wrong with that? How is that any different from attractive women in beer commercials?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:56 PM
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Also, can you actually make an argument for why only being interested in women for sex sexualization of women in the media using female sexuality to advertise products are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:53 PM
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Maybe my organization doesn’t really have those. Or a better example, let’s say I’m looking for a housekeeper, or a contractor to do some landscaping. In those cases, who they are doesn’t really matter to me only what they can do and what they can offer me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:52 PM
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That’s more of a problem of you being paranoid TBH. If you left the bar do you think they would follow you? I don’t think they would the vast majority of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:40 PM
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If you only see me as a sexual conquest..... Yeah that’s my point. Nothing wrong with men not being in interested in your personality or who are you. are you under the impressions Feminists refer to Not being interested in women for anything other than sex Sexualization of women in the media Using sex to advertise, like club promoter girls for example as “objectification”. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:38 PM
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social norm is something like not interrupting If you think staring is comparable to something like that, then I have no objections. those careers objectifying Are you also okay with sexualized women in media? and are happy We work jobs we don’t like in for money all the time. What’s wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:34 PM
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they’re isn’t much different In the examples you gave, they think it’s an insult to them as an individual. The woman isn’t offended by the fact that the man is only interested in women for sex per se, she’s offended by the fact that her personality isn’t good enough for him, and that she got rejected. It’s the general statement “men should be in interested in women’s personalities” versus the specific statement “he should be interested in my personality because my personality is so awesome”. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:28 PM
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How old are you Atlas?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:11 PM
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For me personally, I would be flattered if he wasn’t really ugly. In any case I wouldn’t see a problem with it. The gay man is doing something, but he’s not doing something to the straight man. That is to say, doing something to the straight man’s body, like touching for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:10 PM
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it’s not wrong for women to feel offended men get offended when they are reduced to one trait that they just don’t tend to care if that trait is “good for sex” In these cases, they are offended because they feel that the other person is insinuating that they aren’t good enough, they’re not interesting enough, they’re not sexually attractive enough, etc. I don’t see a problem with that, but that’s not the topic of discussion. The topic of discussion is that there’s nothing wrong with men only bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:08 PM
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Belief systems can be wrong. Muslims are wrong, they believe in fairy tales.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 09:00 PM
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I think it’s ok for women to want men to be interested in them for who they are. I don’t think it’s ok for women to suggest that it’s wrong for men to only be interested in them for sex, and not who they are. That’s what I mean by women being entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 08:57 PM
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Staring at you or hitting on you does not fall not “doing something to you”.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 08:54 PM
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I don’t think “it’s a norm” is enough to justify why something is wrong. That’s an appeal to popularity. Lots of things are social norms, like giving up a public transit seat for pregnant women for example. Is it wrong to not give your seat? Why is she entitled to something just because she needs it? But even if I accept that staring is wrong, there is a lot of other behaviour that feminists categorize as “sexual objectification”, like strippers, club promoter girls, sexualization of women in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 08:52 PM
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they’re a request that can be rejected You can reject guys too. it’s more akin to a delusional person showing up at an office No, a delusional person showing up at an office because he wants to work there is akin to rape. He actually violated the property rights of the employer. A guy fantasizing about you is like a person fantasizing about having a certain job. You need to get better at making analogies. trying to touch my hair You said that “fantasizing” was unacceptable. Trying to touch you i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 08:36 PM
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the applicant has consented to being judged on their merits You realize that people can receive job offers, right? Is it any worse for a genius to receive a lot of job offers from companies that are only interested in his brain than it is for an attractive woman to be approached a lot by guys that are only interested in having sex with her? In both cases, no one is being forced to do anything. women don’t want to be a part of every mans sexual life, even if it’s just fantasies. It’s gross. No re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 08:04 PM
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That suggests that there WILL be a “next date”, which kind of puts her into an awkward position. That’s a “quid pro quo” transaction, you give her something in exchange for something else. It’s not testing whether you are generous enough to cover something without any guarantee of being repaid in some way. You’re asking her to pay for something, that might make you look cheap, as opposed to this test where you are ostensibly unable to pay rather than unwilling to pay. Really, the ideal would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 06:46 PM
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Even if he paid for previous dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 06:25 PM
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He’s just testing your generosity, what’s wrong with that? It’s not “dumb shit” to see if a woman is generous enough to be willing to do what men are often expected to do. It’s not like guys want to be seen as cheap, or that they can keep making that excuse. What if they paid for the first date, clearly demonstrating their own generosity, and tested you like this on the second date to determine if you are generous?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 06:19 PM
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There’s no need for me to, the argument I am making is that entire article. That article is entirely dedicated to arguing in favour of innate sex differences in cognition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/19 06:11 PM
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You certainly can't scan a brain and tell the sex of its owner. Oh yes we can. "Notably, it is now possible to correctly identify a person’s sex from brain scans from 80% to more than 90% of the time, depending on the methods used and the resolution of the data (see Del Giudice, 2019)."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 10:21 PM
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most socially constructed Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 10:19 PM
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Maybe not their wife, but if anything married guys would be less willing to hang out with other women, for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 08:18 AM
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it's not women intentionally causing these things to happen. Maybe not in your case. However, it's obvious to anyone who doesn't live under a rock that women tend to be more sensitive and fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 08:15 AM
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You don’t have to deal with the corporation, and instead you deal with someone that cares about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 06:36 AM
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Maybe that would be a better way of putting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 06:20 AM
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I’d say they have some male traits. Like how Europeans and Asians have neanderthal DNA, but still aren’t neanderthals.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 06:19 AM
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I would say that they are “masculine”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 05:48 AM
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Social transitioning for trans people is a thing you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 05:46 AM
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Your biological sex is determined by chromosomes. But being “male” or “female”(gender) is more than that, it’s about how we live and act. That’s influenced by both biology(as evidenced by elements of gender roles that are present present in most/all societies) as well as culture(the differences in gender roles between societies).:
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/19 05:45 AM
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and the first compliment is “oh you’re so beautiful” And what makes you think that her work is good enough to deserve a compliment? Both her beauty and her work could be complimented if she is good in both regards. but that statement is also implying that I don’t agree. Just like how girls might say “you’re sweet/funny/smart” to friendzone guys they aren’t attracted to, in the absence of a quality presentation, she may be complimented on something else. The fact that attractive women may be rega…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 08:50 PM
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27 year old woman Simulated pedophilia is still pedophilia. I’m guessing you know even less about BDSM DDLG isn’t just BDSM, it’s incestous pedophilia. The name, “daddy dom/little girl”, kind of gives it away. The fact that your post mentioned diapers also gives it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 10:09 AM
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Adult women aren't children so yes it's condescending in the proper context not the one you invented. Why is it condescending when you treat adult women a certain way, but not condescending when you treat children that way? They're both based off of the same ideas, that they need protection, and should be treated more considerately. I think you may have trouble understand this concept, because you're the type of person that society tries to protect children from: https://www.reddit.com/r/DDLGPer…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 09:53 AM
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Men masturbate more than women, much more. Women masturbating less can be explained by the fact that it's easier for them to find sexual partners, reducing the need to masturbate. Also, being able to obtain sex more easily may result in you undervaluing sex, and logically, masturbation. One classic study sent student research assistants out on campus to approach fairly attractive people (of the other gender) at random with the line, "I've been noticing you around campus and I think you're attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 09:12 AM
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it's condescension Are we "condescending" towards children when we try to protect them from certain things and treat them more courteously? It's not "helping your own gender or race" it's "slapping all the other genders and races down for trying to be equal" I could say the same about treating women more courteously than men. I could say the same about prohibiting the drafting of women. Any sort of discrimination has a winner and loser. Chauvinism can't exist without privilege. Exactly, which is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 09:06 AM
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Why is wanting to help women "benevolence" but wanting to help men or your own race "chauvinism"?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 08:55 AM
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Treating people with courtesy and opening doors for you is a sign of respect, not viewing you as "lesser" or as a pet. There is a reason that you see high-status people have people open doors for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 08:51 AM
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Why not? Because they benefit men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 08:50 AM
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Then maybe you should retract your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 03:37 AM
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There is no source for that claim in the article.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 03:20 AM
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it’s because no one gives a shit about men Thank you for getting it. You’re not responsible for fixing anything but please don’t contribute to this phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:54 AM
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Forget it, do you have evidence to support your claim that black women are sentenced more harshly than white men? How would the data be “skewed” because of black men? where are you from None of your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/19 02:48 AM
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your data includes all men and women and skewed by the inclusion of black men How would it be skewed? Why would a judge give black men longer sentences because they are male, but not white men? That makes no sense, the discrimination is on the basis of gender, not race. Why would a judge give black women longer sentences because they are black, but not black men? That doesn’t make sense either, the discrimination is on the basis of race, not gender. there’s a big difference in how white women an…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 06:39 PM
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I think a better analogy would be Why? If you don’t like someone’s analogy then justify your reasoning. Another analogy would be if someone defended rape because “men are sex-addicts and can’t control themselves”. Would people call that “benevolent sexism”? when something negatively impacts you That’s my entire point. The feminist worldview is female chauvinist, as opposed to truly being for equality. Since they only view discrimination as benevolent when it benefits them. better examples None o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 06:28 PM
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Yes, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 05:37 PM
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This is not true, studies that controlled for criminal history found that blacks get sentenced 10% longer than whites for the same crime, and men get sentenced to around 60% longer than women for the same crime. https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 04:20 PM
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Why are the intentions “good” when they benefit women, but not “good” when they benefit men. If I pay male employees more because I think they re more competent, then is that “good intentioned” as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 04:18 PM
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The thing is, feminists never call it sexism “benevolent” when it benefits men. Like if I gives men a pass for cheating because we are “hornier”, they would screech about the sexual double standard. Or if I paid men more because I think men are smarter and more competent. Earnings gaps are one of their favourite topics of discussion, yet it’s never referred to as benevolent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 04:16 PM
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ie - holding doors open for women You missed the entire point of this post. All forms of isms benefit one group, and harm another. There is no meaningful difference between “benevolent” and “malevolent” sexism. Why is paying men more because because you think they smarter and more competent not “benevolent” as well by their logic? Feminists love to talk about wage discrimination, but they never refer to it as “benevolent”.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 04:10 PM
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Alimony had existed for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 09:12 AM
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The flip side of this is that parents would be more protective of their daughters, ensuring that their partners are not too much older, and that they are decent people. “Controlling sexuality” isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Age of consent laws are literally controlling the sexuality of children. And of course, there’s also the argument that strict parenting is better than lax parenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 09:10 AM
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having a mental health issue doesn’t mean you hate life It does indicate that you are more likely to be irrational. Especially the types of mental illness that affect women more, depression and anxiety. A vet with PTSD will function fine when he isn’t having a flashback, as would an alcoholic whenever he isn’t drunk. Whereas depression and anxiety are kinda always there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/19 09:05 AM
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No one is opposed to the idea of blaming deadbeat dads, so there’s no need to talk about blaming deadbeat dads. People are already doing it and talking about how we should blame deadbeat dads would be a pointless circlejerk. On the other hand, some groups of people appear to be extremely offended by the idea, proven by countless studies. that women like to go after “bad boys”. They get even more offended by the fact that women who are single mothers may have been partially responsible for their …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 06:10 AM
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Doesn’t this suggest that the average man gets treated so badly by women, that simply being nice to them is enough for them to see you as an angel?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 04:42 AM
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I agree. Good luck trying to get the average woman to agree though, high n-count is basically a universal indicator of desirability for men. Even you are probably going to forget your angry little rants when Chad texts you “dtf?”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 04:27 AM
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Porn doesn’t make men feel that they should be entitled to Stacy the same way that hooking up with Chad makes women feel entitled to Chad. Those women actually managed to win Chad’s attention to some degree by getting him to sleep with them. They’ve actually experienced what it’s like to be with chad. Men jacking off to Stacy don’t know what it’s like to be with stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 04:25 AM
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These explanations are not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:11 AM
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women claim men have low standards They’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 08:03 AM
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you literally can’t judge men and women by the same optics I beg to differ. Whack one out and there goes your sex drive, you can make a more objective assessment. Post-nut clarity is a real thing. If guys jacked off at least 5 times a day, female SMV would drop faster than the jumpers on 9/11. find them attractive enough Because the one thing radfems are right about is that men are dogs who will fuck anything
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:48 AM
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that women have been attractive in spite Because men are shamed for not wanting fatties. Because men are naturally thirstier and can fool themselves into thinking that she is just “curvy”. Because men have to settle for them when their looksmatches are dating up. They’re not attractive in the eyes of men because they are healthy, take care of themselves. They’re attractive in the eyes of men because the privilege they are granted by biology, the media, and the decline of monogamy, all of which e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:33 AM
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They accounted for that. The BF% for women to be considered obese IS higher from that of men, but even still they are more likely to be obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:16 AM
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Of course, look at the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 07:15 AM
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on you not being better options How do you know that your standards aren’t inflated? who has all the entitlement You’re sounding awfully entitled right now. I’m so incredibly curious to see what the person who trashes men for being low value looks like herself. I doubt that you’d be willing to post a selfie, so let me just ask you this: what’s your height and weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/19 06:15 AM
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It does though, if they didn’t want to date you then there would be no reason for them to swipe right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 10:05 PM
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Bullshit. We see Tinder statistics that women in general tend to get more matches, showing that it’s not only hot girls that have it easy. https://amp.businessinsider.com/difference-in-how-men-and-women-use-tinder-2016-7 https://memeburn.com/2017/09/tinder-difference-men-women/ https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a for every average woman dating someone Stop ignoring the existence of hoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/19 01:04 PM
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If you look at online dating statistics, they will almost universally indicate that it’s quite easy for the average women to find a partner, whereas it’s not so easy for men. This suggests the opposite of your anedote, that women have it easier even if they aren’t the most attractive. That study is flawed in a number of ways. Firstly, those girls may have been wearing makeup. Secondly, it’s not broken down by the gender of the person rating. I would argue that men’s ratings might be lower precis…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 08:29 PM
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