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That's the spirit
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:30 PM
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Women don't commit to men below their own SMV. Are you talking just looks here, or are you including other things in male SMV?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 08:13 PM
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Why can't a woman loving a man for his wallet be romantic?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/16 04:59 AM
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It's really tough to completely generalize on this stuff and make absolute statements, honestly. Yeah, some guys out there aren't worth it, and some women probably aren't either. But I don't think completely shutting yourself off from a potential avenue of a lot of happiness is ever a good idea. Be prudent, yes, and definitely avoid the self-absorbed good-for-nothings out there. I don't think checking out completely is the best solution for most people though, though. It's normal to be frustrate…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 07:50 PM
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Of all the IODs, I'd say remarking that she has a boyfriend is a particularly clear signal of disinterest. And definitely not an invitation for a three way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 05:55 AM
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:(
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 03:05 AM
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Agreed. It isn't so much a pearl-clutching thing, the annoying futility of it is what gets my dander up. Guys trying to get a rise out of you or intimidate you just for kicks
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 04:08 AM
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I've always been sceptical of this too - don't men enjoy food, and creature comforts, even luxuries, in life too? In and of themselves? But honestly at this point, thanks to the tireless insistence of the men of PPD, I'm ready to just halfheartedly concede this argument and accept that it was all for the poontang.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 03:56 AM
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I am talking about overall exploitation. Whether it's getting gratuitous validation, free rides, help with moving or homework etc. doesn't really matter. Yeah well, I'd be the first to say people in general should note signals, look out for themselves and quickly torch relationships that are tilting that one-sided. That would improve a lot of things. People aren't the most sensible on matters of the heart though. Now wouldn't it be far easier to simply communicate your lack of interest by not ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:27 AM
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The more common scenario is a woman exploiting her orbiters' desire to get into her good graces by implying that she might be interested in them. So you mean some kind of emotional exploitation rather than financial? I think more often than not it's more that women avoid the direct conflict of telling a guy they aren't interested in him. I suppose some may like the attention/validation but I think that is overstated since orbiter attention is really not very validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:11 PM
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Yeah, I've literally never gone out with a guy I didn't like to get a free meal. Tolerating the company of someone I dislike and rebuffing their sexual advances all night for a salad or cup of soup, does not seem worth it. Maybe filet mignon. jk
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:26 PM
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I agree with RP that men no longer taking on a provisioning role has affected these dynamics in a big way. The average man of yesteryear was more likely to be a provider or had serious potential to be. Without that, the whole exchange looks very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:22 PM
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No-one ever assumes that very extroverted people, who need to be around people constantly, have some sort of personality defect that needs to be ironed out. Oh, I do. I have known some extreme extroverts that really do have a problem with pathological attention-seeking, severe lack of inhibition, and desperation for external validation. I'm thinking histrionic personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:08 PM
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I really like this aspect of the US. Although, depending on your class background and/or educational pursuits you will still frequently be expected to study other languages anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:45 PM
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Wow. I've never known anyone who would do that, or at least admit to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:40 PM
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I've described as "average" is in fact average. Your definition of average, while perhaps observationally accurate, sets the bar so low across the board that I'm tripping over it. On any quality metric what you described is below average...I think what you're saying is that the distribution is skewed toward below-average now. A comparison would be how much people weigh now. The average has moved up significantly, but that doesn't mean people's judgements of its attractiveness have changed, or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 08:52 PM
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Yes. Why on earth would I? Pity? Women are paid for that sort of thing. Point being, what you described as the new average offers virtually nothing compelling, unless you're just desperate for companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 08:37 PM
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Phew! I was just wondering there for a second. Hope you feel better in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 07:48 PM
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You'd certainly never date or fuck them. Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 07:47 PM
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To men, the average man are men that most women don't notice at all. They're unattractive, have little sense of style, and have some sexual success but most of their dating/sex lives are repeated failures. They might or might not be educated, but are likely to be underemployed or don't live up to their potentials for one reason or another. I absolutely see those men and interact with them, almost every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 07:30 PM
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But the experts I went to see then weren't sure that the tumor was the actual cause of my symptoms and decided not to operate. So it's benign?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 03:44 AM
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Nobody wants to think about that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 02:20 AM
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So you think it's a social norm thing, the comparative normalization of fatness now. I mean, I think that contributes as well, but the root cause has to be related to overeating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 01:19 AM
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Yeah I think it's more a quantity than quality issue if we are to generalize. The portions people are offered now at mainstream places are frequently ridiculous and that distorts serving sizes/eating habits in general. If I go out for a meal these days, that will frequently be the only significant thing I eat all day or I take a doggie bag. People also nosh too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 01:02 AM
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Oh yeah, there should be a reasonable middle ground. Some people clearly go way overboard in either direction, either with the platitudes or criticism. One thing I would add is that sometimes IME a friend or relative will force your hand and ostracize you if you don't unreservedly take their side and join them in beating up on someone they hate and/or exonerating them of all blame in a situation, which is unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/16 12:42 AM
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Don't have too much of substance to contribute today but I did want to say that I think this was a great post and considering its length actually kept my interest which is no small feat lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 11:52 PM
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Some people will defend their family/friends no matter what and only tell them what they want to hear. I don't understand it myself, but I have seen others make outrageous rationalizations for horrible behaviour especially on behalf of blood relations
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 11:46 PM
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Women need to shift en masse to playing this game of society for #teameveryone just like men have been doing for the past few decades, or attitudes will continue to deteriorate. There is no "Team Everyone."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/16 10:50 PM
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Not really at this point, I do/say pretty much as I please. I make an effort to have a pleasant default demeanour and don't go out of my way to alienate people, but I don't censor myself either. I banter, swear, speak my mind. Would I be more successful on the margins if I were super positive/innocuous/simple perpetually? Perhaps but I can't say I really care. Life isn't that one-dimensional, I'm not that one-dimensional, so why pretend to be. Shit's gonna get real eventually, and our true perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/16 02:02 AM
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You may have somewhat of a point about parenting missteps, but I think it's in quite the opposite direction most of the time. It's not so much that the parents aren't successful or well-connected enough. Many of the men struggling in this generation are a consequence of the parents' over protection and spoiling that has left them weak, stunted and ineffectual. I've noticed that a lot of guys in my generation have lacked a solid masculine father figure who was perhaps a bit of a hard-ass. That ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 11:32 PM
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I think they are preposterous and I would never intentionally get involved in one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/16 05:32 PM
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It's actually endearing when he is with friends, but it makes him completely unattractive sexually. Wow that's unfortunate. That's what irks me. If only one of them had unrealistic expectations, I could just call them evil. But in the end, it's just confusion on both ends. Oh yeah I agree, sometimes there's no easy answer and sometimes people just aren't right for each other for no significant fault of their own. My original point was more targeted toward people who complain constantly when the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:21 PM
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Hm interesting. That hasn't been my experience, I haven't felt at a deficit at all for not being tan as a woman. Maybe it's different for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:15 PM
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Genius plan
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:10 PM
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I'm not really sure what the short-term gains are, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:08 PM
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Lol all right, I spit out my coffee over this one. God I need a keyboard protector
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 09:08 PM
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Lol ok, then don't do it bro. Enjoy your introverted activities or intellectual salons or whatever you're into, and avoid the clubs and parties where people go to dance/drink/get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 08:53 PM
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No. TRPers seem to have an unusual resistance to participating in normal social activities for whatever reason, and drinking/partying is a major one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 08:38 PM
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It could definitely be part of it. Most TRPers are stuck in their heads, very neurotic and ruminating. Some alcohol could really help. But more generally it puts you in circumstances where it's appropriate and expected to socialize and hit on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 08:35 PM
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But some of them happen to have flaws that are only flaws in a dating context and these are the people I sympathise with. What would you consider to be in this category? Btw, obviously nobody's perfect and it's impossible to align yourself w/ some kind of perfect match (nor would one want to, I'd hope haha)...so I'm talking pretty blatant gaps between what people have to offer and what they are expecting in return Not even only when you get rejected, but that the whole dating process is a micros…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 05:31 AM
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Really depends on your definition of 'friend'...but I'd say 30-40 ballpark. I'm personable and flutter around but I tend to avoid super close friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 05:20 AM
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IME most people are not particularly happy with it. However the people I know who are most unhappy and vocal about it also seem to have some glaring flaws and/or unrealistic standards that they seem to want to ignore. And rather then face the music and resolve that, they tend to blame external forces, which is a sensible ego defense mechanism but also tends to lead to a perpetual lack of progress. FTR though, I don't think most people have ever enjoyed dating. If you're ambitious at all in datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 04:35 AM
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Yeah formal dating is pretty old hat at this point. Most people just hang out, hook up and see what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/16 10:54 PM
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I'm ambivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 08:22 AM
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No. Not at the university level.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 08:09 AM
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It is definitely also true for the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 08:07 AM
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Aren't we all somewhat 'shitty?' "All have sinned and fall short." I mean, if shitty merely means looking out for your self-interest and doing what you want without directly harming others, we're all pretty horrible people I guess. I grew up with a mentality of self-denial and self-sacrifice being impressed upon me. Overrated. It essentially instructs you to deny yourself constantly in the hopes of getting rewarded in the long run (covert contract of sorts) and gives you unrealistic expectations…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 10:23 PM
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It's just rly hawt ok. Kind of gritty/edgy and arty at the same time. Indicates experience and risk-taking to me on a subconscious level.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 10:14 PM
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IRL a relative of mine was into some manosphere stuff for awhile. Ironically I think he has actually moved on, and I'm the nut who's gotten way more involved in the Gender Wars than he ever was! I got on PPD originally because I wanted to get more familiar with it and better at arguing with him, but then I started winning a lot of arguments and he lost interest lol. I enjoy a lot of the personalities here even tho the topics are often rehashed, so I stick around.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 08:46 PM
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Agreed, I'm way more concerned about Pence than Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 08:32 PM
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The Honeymooners Great show. All the threats of domestic violence probably wouldn't fly as well today tho
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 08:21 PM
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I can see suspecting someone of "virtue signalling," in the sense that you doubt the genuineness of their conviction, but I agree that using it as a lazy dismissal out of hand in an argument is just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 06:49 PM
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Exactly, it's less that people here are arguing that self improvement fixes will make up for everything, just merely pointing out that most people are honestly not maximizing those things/hitting their ceiling. A few of the guys here claim to have done this (tho I don't fully buy it in some cases) in which case I feel some sympathy. But the average guy or gal out there complaining about how shallow people are? They probably haven't maxed out the things in their control, and are rationalizing how…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 06:31 PM
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I think it's pretty clearly anti-feminist, unless we're using some really weird niche definition of modern/3rd wave feminism or something. I can relate to the sentiment, but I'm not sure it's something to aspire to and it may appeal to a certain rather pathetic element of femininity that I have very mixed feelings about myself. Still, I personally think a lot of women are in denial about that aspect of themselves so I think this is just an example of a woman being honest about it. That said I so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 06:16 PM
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Your point was that guys just want to get attention to stave off their generalized feeling of worthlessness even if it doesn't actually work as a pick up? Any attention is better than no attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 06:59 PM
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Well, I certainly don't subscribe to a 'sisterhood' or feel obligated to support any latest feminist-approved cause du jour. (And since you mentioned it, I think the paranoia and hysteria I've seen surrounding the election is pathetic and those people need to get a grip, regardless of political affiliation or gender) That said, there are obviously aspects of existence that I can relate with women more than men and I tend to gravitate to women for friendship, etc. That doesn't translate for me to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/16 06:47 PM
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No comprendo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 11:49 PM
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But what's the point if it's not going to lead anywhere? Don't men hate wasting effort on pointless exchanges that don't get them laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 09:57 PM
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The first three, yeah. Easily. I just brush it off. As I said, the other more confrontational stuff (following/touching/accosting) happens but is less common. This may be regional. It's totally possible that you live in a more 'civilized' place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 09:27 PM
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Sorry I just realized this was for RPers. I'll delete my original comment. But yeah, I prefer the separation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:55 PM
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Actual assault is not a frequent occurrence, but leering, catcalls, hit-ons, and even being accosted or followed from time to time? Yeah, I can expect some of that on my commute, on the streets, erranding, etc. You underestimate the amount of attention a young woman gets who is out and about on the town most days by herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:53 PM
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Why is it so hard to believe exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 08:29 PM
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just desserts nom nom
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 07:43 PM
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It really depends on how much you use public transit or walk the streets in urban areas. Harassment can absolutely be a daily experience if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 07:41 PM
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Yeah, there's definitely some trpers who are aggrieved b/c women can control their fertility better now. Personally though, my experience of simply not reproducing so far has been pretty great and very few of the people in my life (other than a couple of men I very briefly dated) have urged me to consider getting knocked up in the near future. I really can't relate to all the hate and negativity on both sides about this issue on reddit. To each their own!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 01:12 AM
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Stop defining yourself by a disorder, especially one that doesn't even exist anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 10:14 PM
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Oh yeah, I largely agree with that too. Hillary was a particularly corrupt and flawed Democratic candidate that quite a few staunch leftists couldn't get excited about for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 06:40 PM
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shudders
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 09:18 PM
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Agreed, I don't think he's very attractive physically either beyond being tall and not a blimp. But he's a man, specifically a powerful man, so his face clearly doesn't matter as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 06:08 PM
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Her father's features did not translate well into a female offspring, it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 03:11 PM
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Gary Johnson - because weed...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/16 03:07 PM
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Agree with all your points including the conflation of a sniveling, pathetic capitulation with compassion. You know what I've noticed? Some people are really invested in magnanimity (which could be argued to include kindness and compassion) not being attractive to women. I wonder why. I think it's because they are actually lacking in decency themselves and trying to subconsciously rationalize that they are somehow attractive because of that. Or just invested in promoting this persistent generali…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 10:21 PM
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I tend to agree w/ u/citrusdrink76 on this one who wrote about the attractiveness of magnanimity awhile back. I think benevolent power is actually the ideal for a lot of women, but some will sacrifice the benevolence for mere power if push comes to shove.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 08:47 PM
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Ok good to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 06:05 PM
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Haha, well, Julian is a troll. A lovable troll but a troll nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 05:41 PM
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He's a guy who literally has everything else wrong with him beyond the looks, and you're emphasizing the looks! No confidence. His manner of speaking is very monotone, robotic and halting, whereas attractive vocal patterns are fluid and expressive. So he comes off very emotionally/socially stunted, dare I say creepy. I feel pity seeing that, which completely overrides his physique. He even mentions his crippling social anxiety. Also...dead eyes. Also, what everyone else said about the job stuff.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 04:24 PM
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While I think being unattractive in some way (and hopefully overcoming it) could give you more insight than someone who was a complete natural, it can just as easily give you a warped, cynical, and self-indulgent perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 03:31 AM
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Third time's a charm!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:27 PM
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Haha, I remember reading this awhile back. I think she's just an attention whore. I have a hard time believing she is really that delusional about herself. It she is, then someone should have given her a rude awakening a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 09:08 PM
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Those jeans tho
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 01:48 AM
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Interesting, thanks for the opinion. I have a "heart shaped" face so it might be alright...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 08:33 PM
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If the personalization obfuscated the meaning my bad. But I think this could be seen as male solipsism just as much, since I am merely agreeing w/ OP and the majority of other women that getting pumped and dumped is really not validating for women. On the contrary it implies that you are not attractive and/or compelling enough to stick around for.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 08:12 PM
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As a woman who has been propositioned by "the hottest guy in the room" on multiple occasions, that doesn't mean anything. Not that I'm dissing myself, I'm by no means bad to look at, but it's simply not validating on any level to get passing sexual interest from anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 07:00 AM
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I personally do think feminism is (and probably should be) a female advocacy movement, so I can't challenge OP's view there. Personally I am not happy to hear that this trial failed at all, as I think it would be great for men to start sharing more of the contraceptive burden. It'll probably never happen though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 05:53 PM
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If I was going to be a manwhore I would use emojis waaay more than I do now. You know, I'm starting to think the more promiscuous among us are onto something...sounds way more efficient and fun. I may start communicating almost exclusively by emoji.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 04:27 AM
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Out of solidarity, I will be taking hormones so I can grow out a mustache too. I'm thinking handlebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 12:55 AM
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I think it's definitely a personality thing. More expressive people, thru text or otherwise, tend to be more charismatic and might get laid more for that reason. That said I personally know massive 'sluts' of both genders who seldom use emojis so I am instantly sceptical of this haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 12:37 AM
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This probably depends on the circles we are running in. Late 20s/early 30s urban professional dudes IME (and observation as to who these guys actually marry if they do) seem to gravitate toward more of a peer in a partner than a chick who's still in college, for serious relationships anyway. Which is understandable to me, but kind of funny after all this TRP stuff about male nature. There are definitely some persistent themes, but there are also variations. And environmental stuff like backgroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 12:30 AM
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I'd say men do have more diverse sexual preferences, but by no stretch of the imagination are all of those types similarly valued in the RMP or by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 12:13 AM
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I've always thought this was a decent idea, marry a guy ~10 yrs older than you are, old enough that he's more established, and has maybe had some time to sow his oats and/or dump a starter (but not old enough to be a geezer you wouldn't be attracted to), and you can be his comparatively young "prize." Unfortunately IME most older guys can't take considerably younger women seriously and automatically put them in the "fun" category. Can't win haha
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 08:03 PM
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Oh it's not something you should have known based on that particular article, just mentioning it for context. Musk's divorces and personal drama have popped up a lot in my newsfeeds so I'm probably unusually familiar with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 06:35 PM
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Well, that sounds like a great deal for one of the parties involved. I think I'll take my chances with the whole starter wife thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 06:17 PM
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That being said, this woman sold a bunch of books right? Sounds like she has a good career (unless I'm missing something?) Not really. She wrote a few niche zombie novels and was a blogger IIRC.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 06:06 PM
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Really? That's cool. I've heard mostly indifferent to negative things about bangs from men. I desperately want to cut a fringe but every guy I've asked says it would be one of my worst decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/16 05:57 PM
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I'm a hopeless romantic/idiot, so true <3
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/16 12:44 AM
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Hey bro got your PM. Wasn't sure if you wanted advice or just a vent. From what you told me and other people here, it sounds like the person you were dealing with was crazy and/or extremely cruel. Sorry to hear it. Also I hope you can see a therapist or at least find some resources for the other challenges you describe. There's no shame in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 11:51 PM
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I dropped around 180lbs That's so impressive. Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 11:39 PM
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basically goes home every night and sniffs a line of crystallised blue pill haha
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/16 11:30 PM
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This is interesting b/c from that you'd think risk of mutations coming from men would actually be much higher in general considering the number of divisions going on with sperm, but I suppose the fact that women carry their eggs with them their entire lives introduces other factors that degrade quality?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 09:38 PM
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The I-c-l subset of TRP are probably best known for this kind of advocacy (there were a few posts from TRPers in PPD itself recently literally arguing for free sex or free prostitutes, most of them were later deleted). More generally, the Pareto principle, how unfair and unjust the SMP is, and the concept of "unrestrained female sexuality" needing to be squelched, are very common sentiments throughout TRP. It may or may not be overtly stated but the implication is usually exactly that - that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 09:29 PM
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And a lot of TRPers claim to be libertarians but constantly advocate what amounts to sexual socialism. The irony isn't lost on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 08:52 PM
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The sexuality and interest of highly undesirable people in general is usually seen as repugnant. It's unfortunate for the people who are in this position, but there's not much that can be done about it since we value personal autonomy in our society. And the fact is that there's simply no way to manufacture love, sexual attraction, or worthwhile relationships. While it's definitely sad that a minority of people probably won't find much success in the dating/mating game for various reasons, there…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 08:19 PM
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A lot of "straight" women have same sex encounters and still call themselves straight. Men can do it too. Yeah and it's a double standard, but these things are not seen the same way in our culture at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 07:55 PM
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Morally I agree with you but pragmatically I agree with QW. Just depends on how we're analyzing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 06:45 PM
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No, still gay sex. No butts about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 04:32 PM
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Women do get validated from being seen as hot, but a pump & dump is definitely not validation that you're hot
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 01:09 AM
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Oh yeah I agree. I wouldn't consider Robert Plant a fem boy either. It's just part of the image/bravado
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 12:54 AM
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I guess it's a testament to his masculinity that he can get away with running around in heels and scarves and being all campy as a straight man haha
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 12:48 AM
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Why do women commit crimes? Usually some type of desperation. Occasionally thrills. Contrast that with men who would be more likely to derive status from it in their competition with other males.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/16 12:17 AM
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Depends. If it's just a 'husky' beardo guy I'd pick him, if it's a truly obese unkempt neckbeard stereotype dude I'd pick the more effeminate pretty guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 11:51 PM
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fair enough, to each their own
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 06:43 PM
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Just hoping to commiserate with a fellow mourner, since the glorious flamboyant megaphone-wielding addict king is no longer with us
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 06:30 PM
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are you a big fan of Stone Temple Pilots?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 06:16 PM
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I said nothing about invalidating their contribution. I'm figuring out why people choose to do what they do. And your contention is that the female philosophers were/are doing it for male attention rather than actual interest? I've interacted with a couple female philosophers myself, I have no reason to think they were doing it for any other reason than their own enthusiasm for the subject, regardless of their personal relationships. The way women and men define themselves is very different. Wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 06:03 PM
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I don't know if it affects it, but I do sometimes classify certain music into its respective pills, or should I say caricatures of the pills. For instance I can't help but think this is basically like a TRP theme song now haha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:20 PM
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hahahahaha this term is never not hilarious Let me guess Whatevs, it's a way for non-scene people to describe grating guttural shrieking sounds. :D It's art, I know, but...my eardrums
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 05:00 AM
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We're going in circles. Why is it gross/viscerally disgusting? The answer can't be "it just is."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 04:37 AM
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Which means it's an emotional reaction triggered by thoughts of her sexual history for certain men. That I can understand. OP described it as "gross" and "viscerally disgusting." That's what doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 04:28 AM
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Those scenarios aren't comparable. Those are unattractive visual cues/physical characteristics, whereas you would probably never be able to tell if a woman had a high N and would be attracted to her anyway. This suggests that there is something else besides visceral disgust going on in men's minds who claim to find high N women repugnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 04:17 AM
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Cool, not really my style but I can appreciate the zeal involved and the guitarwork :) I like some fairly heavy stuff in general (Metallica, Judas Priest, Opeth, Alice in Chains etc etc) but most screamo is a bit lost on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 03:47 AM
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Oh, I know you hate it. It's big in the liberal lexicon and has all those horrible associations with altruism haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 02:24 AM
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Interesting taste. Very...aggro.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 02:17 AM
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That basically sounds like understanding/sharing the feelings of another to me. I don't think you could really relate to a feeling of someone else without experiencing it for yourself first. Perhaps a bad analogy, but sort of like how it would be difficult for a blind person to understand colour?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:54 AM
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Indeed, I succumbed to the frostiness within and joined the dark side after that fateful day
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:43 AM
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It isn't obvious to the people who claim men are repelled by high-N women primarily for different reasons than disgust. This is where I think it breaks down. I think the only rational reason to be disgusted by promiscuity is evidence of STDs. Even then, you're being disgusted by a result not a cause. In the absence of that, anything else is emotionally based, which is fine, but it's not rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:21 AM
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There's no such thing as this? the ability to understand and share the feelings of another
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 12:57 AM
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Every single female philosopher seems to hold true to my theory. Academics often get involved with other academics, I don't really see why that necessarily invalidates either of their individual contributions, assuming their contributions were deemed worthwhile in the first place. There's no knowledge base of who they are, rather an emotion based ever changing loose definition of self. Your comment on 'loose definition of self' interests me. I wrote something a couple days ago on here that menti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 12:22 AM
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They're less stuck to their animal desires and instincts, to what their past and external conditioning made them, they're more able to internally condition themselves and be different. So in your view are women intrinsically less capable of this or less rewarded? And vice versa, are men more capable of it or more rewarded? (Personal experience contradicts the above sentiment as I've encountered sufficient numbers of men who were functionally slaves to their base impulses and women w/ high FTO an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:31 PM
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All that is what dehumanizes them. There's little to nothing unique or special. Humans have substance, women don't really. How exactly are men more unique/less predictable than women? Personally, I find most men pretty predictable and unsurprising in their behaviour patterns as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 09:11 PM
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Harsh, but even she remarked that she wasn't that special minus the sexpot image she projected, along with the glammed up cosmetics and accouetrements of course. She was more of a glamour girl than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 07:38 PM
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I do agree with this. Counter-intuitively it seems most people are getting fatter than ever, but the people we idolize are borderline anorexic most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:27 PM
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They raised a generation that's full of entitlement and got trophies for simply showing up. Maybe some people? The rest, like myself, I'd say lean more toward perfectionism and have a very all-or-nothing mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:16 PM
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Can confirm, got my only c in multivariable calculus, had a crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 06:12 PM
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Because people from certain quarters want to co-opt a historical figure (haha) who was a beauty icon and sex symbol to make themselves feel better about their burgeoning waistlines and engage in a foolhardy attempt to make most people see it their way. Seems pretty straightforward.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 05:58 PM
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You aren't going to get much of an argument from me. Competition is pretty steep for Joe Schmo bro. Especially when Joe likes the cute and pretty ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/16 01:02 AM
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Nope, me too. Plus it just gets too warm. Men are like furnaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:19 PM
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It's up in the air I think. The women who claim to be totally satisfied with the netflix/book/wine nights in and no man on the scene are probably deluding themselves a little bit, much like the guys who claim to prefer porn and video games. But I agree that kind of stuff can certainly seem like a decent substitution that can stave off the impetus to seek out real relationships at least for awhile. Who hasn't been there, haha. Oh and you couldn't have been quoting me since I don't have netflix or…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 10:11 PM
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Men are just getting worse and worse off, not only do they have to compete with Chad, they also have to compete with girlcrushes, and possibly even worse they have to compete with netflix/book/wine/jammies nights in. God damn men are so fucked Lol I just spit out my coffee, narrowly missing my keyboard. It's sort of true tho
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 08:02 PM
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Viggo Mortensen Bradley Cooper Cillian Murphy Jeff Goldblum (yeah he's popular) Harrison Ford Damian Lewis Santiago Cabrera Lamman Rucker Also, random, but this guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 07:33 PM
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Relevance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:31 AM
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You assume my attraction to men is weak why? Regardless, I disagree that that is the reason. If risks were removed from the picture entirely and a pleasurable experience was guaranteed, I would probably be far less selective/discriminating. Kind of like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:21 AM
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Roughly every day. Goes to show what a difference "no negative consequences" and "guaranteed good time" makes, since that is very much not my usual MO.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 03:56 AM
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Thanks. FTR, I can relate to some of the social strugglers here so I'm not passing judgement. I had a bizarre upbringing in that respect and will never be "normal" (whatever it means), but I'm way more chill with it all now. I genuinely hope anyone here with those issues can resolve them for their own good - though I'm not sure TRP or the internet in general is the place to do it, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 02:44 AM
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Oh my bad, lost in internet translation. Well, IME around these parts, I'd say that some of them have admitted to being both? I don't want to name names, but guys here have openly said that they are socially struggling or consider themselves outcasts. There's also a disproportionate number of STEMlords at TRP, a demographic not known for their social prowess. Becoming more socially aware and status-oriented is also a major part of the TRP self-improvement recommendations, which might indicate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 02:14 AM
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I haven't - in truth I'm terrified of IUDs, mostly irrationally. :( Do you use/like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 02:04 AM
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Poindexter [sic]: a boringly studious and socially inept person
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 02:02 AM
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Plus a few women who are transparent white. waves invisibly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 12:38 AM
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I like the spectrum of femininity. All aspects, not just the cute, nice, nurturing aspects, though I embrace those as well, but the temptress, warrior woman, etc. aspects too. It just seems...richer? I've always enjoyed being the one desired and pursued at a certain level, even if it has its drawbacks. It's quite nice to be appreciated as ornamental in certain contexts as well (though yes it's a double-edged sword). I like the rapport I can more easily develop with people, perhaps based partiall…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 07:35 PM
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I would laugh first. Then cry and wonder where it all went so wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:08 PM
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And some men are fashion fascists?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 08:59 PM
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I get it. IRL people have said I must just have a super fast metabolism and gloss over my regular work outs and sensible diet, or just focus on my occasional treats or wine indulgence (that they say they could never get away with) rather than like 90% of my lifestyle. Who really cares though? It's only a problem if you want recognition for your effort. Otherwise, it shouldn't really bother you if people just think you're a natural. I think it's kind of flattering actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 08:34 PM
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Yeah I think we would all really need an exemplar pic from OP to really say whether Hypothetical Chick is overplaying her hand
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 07:11 PM
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Income requirements don't make much sense - I can understand wanting someone who's achieved a certain level of education (e.g. minimum some post-secondary). Interesting, while I agree having a specific cutoff is a bit much, for me it is generally the opposite. How a guy achieved his self-sufficiency is mostly irrelevant to me, maybe even all the better if he did it unconventionally - to me it's like, who cares if a guy is a college dropout who found success in his field anyway, or makes a solid …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:32 PM
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I think that list is a bit lofty, not extremely so, but a tad. I'm younger, thinner and a bit taller than your hypothetical woman here and am more flexible on most of those counts. People are entitled to have unrealistic standards but if you ask me she'd probably have to compromise on one or two at least if she's seeking a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/16 06:06 PM
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Oh yeah, I feel like Mary Poppins sometimes (which is...saying something), looking at some of the dire stuff that is posted here!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 06:35 PM
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This may just be a battle of the duelling anecdotes then. Multiple women I've known have opened up to me about this, said they didn't want to have children pretty definitively, and seemed to 'change their mind' or become open to it later after some convincing from their SOs/husbands. I just think it's a false narrative that women are always the ones pushing for parenthood and are totally defined by it. It really depends on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:45 PM
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I thought it was determined that there was no "gay gene" though there are possible genetic components and in utero exposure-predispositions for gayness. But straight people can obviously produce gay children and vice versa, so why would there be a drastic reduction in gay people going forward?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:29 PM
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Most of those women don't talk about that too much, though. Exactly, since admitting you didn't really want kids and just acquiesced to it is pretty damning especially after you've had them already. But otherwise, I do think it's true that some people seem to have 'parent' as a vital part of their identity so when that's ripped away they have very little left.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:16 PM
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I've seen what you describe, but I've also known quite a few women who feel the opposite. They don't particularly want kids and feel pressured into it by their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:10 PM
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Right, if we were out in the elements, running away from vicious animals and constantly wondering where our next meal was coming from we also wouldn't have nearly as much time and energy to sit around contemplating our navels and engaging in gratuitous mental masturbation. Wouldn't have it any other way though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:54 PM
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I think I'm literally going to write-in James Bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:22 PM
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Occasionally I'm grateful to be single. This is one of those moments. Negotiating shite like this sounds tedious af.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:03 PM
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I tend to agree with this observation. Generally speaking, the last thing a woman wants is a dependent man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:22 PM
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Well yeah, there are some people who just want to go to the mat on everything. You have to cut your losses when you get one of the hateful jerkfaces and bail out of the interaction as fast as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 08:20 PM
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Oh okay, that sounds reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:21 PM
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I never understood what women derive from making a guy feel bad/foolish for finding her attractive. Sometimes I just think it's as simple as the continual presumption that we care, or we should care, about his penis and its needs. I know that sounds harsh, but the point is that it often isn't even that personal. I'm not saying that this would justify unprovoked outbursts or cruelty, but when you've been hit on like 10 times already that day (not saying that's a typical day, but it's been known t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 07:18 PM
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I've seen him live and up close, I have no idea what all those Beatlemania chicks were thinking back in the 60s/70s. It's not just age, he was a funny looking fellow back in the day too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 12:05 AM
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You mean to say you have a problem with movies that have no decipherable plot, spliced with graphic sex scenes and constant explosions for no reason? Say it ain't so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 11:36 PM
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Oh yeah, very straightforward book, no symbolism to it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:59 PM
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Oh my bad, I was still in metaphor mode. Yeah I remember reading that myth was actually busted awhile back.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:42 PM
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I think for women it's usually true. For men it probably varies more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:30 PM
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I don't know what it means to 'do a Dylan' Get an electric toothbrush, I think. Obscure references lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 10:26 PM
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No. This vaguely homoerotic Greek mythology-imbued Adonis obsession/trolling is entertaining though
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:55 PM
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Worship nothing and no one. The gods are all dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:44 PM
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Lies! You are a lying liar who lies!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:22 AM
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Come to think of it, that explains its appeal to me. Nothing like an unwinnable game with moving targets to catch my interest!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:21 AM
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I don't know either. People complain about drive-by posts and a general lack of quality but in-depth stuff like this is dissed as "soapboxing" and "manifestos?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:05 PM
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Sorry to pile on the agreement train, but this is indeed good stuff. I should print it out and frame it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:00 PM
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Yeah me too. It's the only way to be. People have assumed I'm male on here on several occasions, which is funny. I suppose a few might interpret my flair as that of a gay man. But nope, just a cisgendered female.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:53 PM
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Well there were female Spartans so you can't make any assumptions based on that username. I've seen the 300 movies so I'm practically an expert on Sparta
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:34 PM
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He doesn't do much for me first blush. Unfortunately I know next to nothing about the show you reference so I can only be superficial in my assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 03:03 AM
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I rarely see brutal public rejections myself. When it does happen yeah I suppose it's possible that he's shooting way out of his league and it's basically an implicit insult that he thinks he has a shot. There's also the possibility that a more insecure woman might be more likely to feel threatened in her self-image/status when being approached by a comparatively less attractive man, and therefore might react in a more hostile manner. Regardless, I don't think this is a science. Who knows why a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 02:56 AM
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Are you a man? Just curious because I wonder if there is a major gender difference in how this is experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 02:27 AM
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On the contrary, I think an emotional affair is far more threatening to the basis of a relationship in most cases. An isolated indiscretion can be forgiven and moved past for many people, but developing a strong romantic emotional bond with a person other than your SO is a recipe for inevitable failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 02:14 AM
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Yeah, I hate that too. So dismissive and presumptuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 02:05 AM
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Well, what is your point exactly? That we are likely to be more/less attractive, more/less intelligent, more/less crazy, etc than the average woman? It's hard to debate against most of that stuff because most of us aren't posting pics and background info and IQ tests and psych evals, and even then people would disagree on that basis. At the end of the day, most of what people post here are just casual anecdotes and self-reports. Personally I stumbled onto PPD as a kind of fluke. I'd never used r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 05:20 PM
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I wonder what % of the uber anti-marriage TRPers are in community property states.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:07 PM
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But the virgin/low N woman isn't as likely to be disappointed on where she eventually "settles". Or you could say it's easier to be happy eating ground beef if you didn't spend years before eating high priced steak. I understand why men think this, but I think it is a complete misconception.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 09:39 PM
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Oh my god, that is basically malpractice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 02:39 AM
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Well yeah, for sure, just putting out is no slam dunk! That's one of the things RPW rightfully points out. You also have to be very attractive and have a winning personality for this whole slutty thing to work. This may be a flawed approach, but what is the alternative? It's not like you can wait until marriage anymore, you have to compete sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 11:16 PM
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You're proving her point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:04 PM
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I think that was partially their point. Many people are meeting up via apps, and that leaves the real life dating market comparatively untapped.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 05:00 PM
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It was bizarre to say the least!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 12:26 AM
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Damn, well, I'm convinced. Depthhub material right there
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 12:16 AM
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I suspect this is true, at least for some men. A male friend of mine really had a thing for Grace Kelly, and one day he mentioned something about how she seemed pure as the driven snow. I started cackling and pointed out that most commentary suggested that she actually was actually known to be quite the slut and slept with a bunch of her leading men. The look of betrayal and shock on his face was hilarious. I could tell it took him awhile to get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/16 12:00 AM
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Interesting. I asked because the guys I was talking about seemed to think that women are intentionally trying to play down their looks and get less attention, or be taken more seriously, which I thought was an interesting interpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:37 PM
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Yeah, for sure. Do you think the fashion trends are the only reason most women are dressing this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:30 PM
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This came off as snarky but I'm totally serious, women nowadays often don't dress to look sexy, let alone slutty. Interesting observation. I've heard a few guys complain recently IRL about the lack of cleavage on display and general increasing modesty of most women. It's all relative though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:21 PM
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Do you think these people are always in distinct groups? The Goods v. Bads? I think there's a lot of crossover b/w Column A and Column B, and people modify their behaviour depending on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:20 PM
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I think you're a bit confused about the dynamics here. I suppose I can only speak for myself, but I think you may be interpreting women who claim that they are only "attracted" to men post-emotional connection wrong. I have had intense immediate attraction to men with no emotional connection, many times. Sum of u menz r rly hawt 2 me. Doesn't mean I 1) can't ignore it and move on as I have many times, or 2) that I don't have any other prerequisites prior to hopping into bed. I absolutely can fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:56 PM
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Oh yeah, and the funny part is that one of the more notable ones actually roped me into doing a favour for him rather than the other way around. He was so insecure he had to have plausible deniability for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 07:20 AM
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The concept that if you get in a relationship early your husband will remember the beauty of your youth and project that over your fading looks as you age
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:50 AM
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Well, if that's true that's unfortunate. I'm annoyed with anyone, male or female, who takes pride in inability to do basic tasks. That said personally I really enjoy cooking so I'm probably biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:21 PM
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Really? There's nothing to it. Do they struggle with the can-opening part or the nuking it in the microwave for 3 minutes part?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:06 PM
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The "woe is me" era of PPD is about to come to an end Oy Vey!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:02 PM
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If anything, I think they're more likely to get high quality men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 07:58 PM
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That's hot. That's a hot way to live...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:55 PM
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Exactly. It seems self-evident.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:44 PM
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I wasn't arguing that there are no competing incentives for men and women in general, just that it's not a complete stalemate. I think male and female interests can align in a mutually beneficial relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:40 PM
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Don't all sexual strategy options (and everything in life) involve tradeoffs?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 03:42 PM
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Odd interpretation of yes with the minor caveat that we have to be talking about the world as we know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:57 AM
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It's not often that I'm accused of something as egregious as idealism, so I felt it needed to be emphasized.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:41 AM
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Yes, insofar as they can be aligned in the real world. That's why I thought my comment was actually rather pragmatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:29 AM
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And that would be the first time anyone's used that term in reference to me. Usually it's more like...ruthless pragmatist, heartless mercenary, diabolical ice queen, etc. Turning over a new leaf I guess!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 01:00 AM
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I thought BBs did get sex, it was just of the starfish variety
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:55 PM
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male and female sexual strategy is at odds with each other Until they aren't, and that's what we call a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 09:54 PM
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Moderating a subreddit is not censorship. The purpose of the forum was being derailed and overrun by a fringe group.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 06:26 PM
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The only major thing I've seen on the topic of male happiness was the Harvard Grant Study, and it seemed to confirm your view. If men are having more trouble getting into relationships now (which we hear all the time on here), it would not add up that men are happier now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 03:26 AM
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Men are happier. Are they? I've seen the studies regarding female unhappiness, so I won't disagree with you there, but men are happier now? How have you come to this conclusion? What is the "exact generational mentality problem" you're talking about? Men not sticking thier necks out for women anymore? Why should we? I hedged and said that whether it's a problem is debatable, you could see it just as yet another social change. But many people seem to bemoan the change, in this thread and elsewher…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 03:18 AM
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Freedom of mobility. I agree this is a big factor, whether by choice or necessity. A lot of moving around these days, which is a bit odd to me when you consider the proliferation and availability of remote work technologies, etc, but I digress. Personally most dating experiences I've had so far were punctuated by either one of us moving. Unless you're into LDRs or have the ability to go with, that's kind of a sticking point, especially for an early relationship. It also makes you more reluctant …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 01:28 AM
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employing an alternate model: leasing. AKA why buy the milk when you can get the cow for free? You could say the same for the women are wising up and not playing a game so blatantly tilted in male favour. I dislike that over-generalized line of thinking, though. Generally speaking the people who think like this are the "problem," insofar as we consider this social trend a problem. People so unwilling to compromise, who want all of the upside/none of the downside are the cause of this toxicity. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/16 01:09 AM
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They have both reached critical mass on my stupidity scale
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 08:04 PM
1

What about the Christian bodybuilders?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:58 PM
2

Right, despite all TRP says, most vaguely desirable older guys don't take substantially younger women seriously as relationship prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/16 07:48 PM
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Actually, I bet you won't have that much of a problem with this. Most incels don't really seem to want advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/16 06:09 PM
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I was slightly hesitant about this idea before but I totally support it now. It particularly went off the rails this week. Good call.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/16 07:04 PM
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I do have a sort of underlying sense sometimes that I've missed out on something that has provided other humans with immense comfort and a sense of certainty. So interesting that you say that, because I'm the same way in that I sometimes wonder what it would have been like to have grown up without what I consider to be the shadow of guilt and fear that religion gave to me - to have been more of a blank slate if you will. The grass is always greener I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:18 PM
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Whoever the new Dos Equis guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 05:07 PM
5

To me, cute is a rung below hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/16 07:11 AM
2

I wouldn't say unscathed and yeah I had some bad experiences, but I managed to avoid the more extreme outcomes I mentioned. I can't blame religion for all of my damage or the damage of others either. But it certainly didn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:47 PM
3

Eva Green, 36
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 11:04 PM
3

Many bad ideas and inadequate instruction for the real world in the more conservative sects = life trainwrecks or underachievement. Generally limiting beliefs and psychological damage. Knee-jerk reactions to years of repression and guilt with promiscuity and drug use. Negative programming about both birth control and abortion, leading to unwanted pregnancy and unnecessary massive life detours. I later learned about some abuse, infidelity and embezzlement scandals. Hypocrisy, backstabbing, self-a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 08:32 PM
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I mean, I know religion in general isn't often noted for internal consistency, but...they're as close to literal walking contradictions as I've seen
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:16 PM
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Truth be told even when I was "Catholic," I still didn't really believe, I just had a handful of rationalizations for why god should exist. I really relate to this. The whole blind faith thing never resonated with me; I literally couldn't do it. Doubt is in my nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:58 PM
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I grew up Adventist/Episcopalian (Anglican)/Baptist/Lutheran/Catholic, etc - basically toured the major denominations of Christianity. My favourite were the churches that made a big deal about being "non-denominational." Also "Messianic Judaism" lol. I went through a rabid atheist phase but now I don't really care. I'm essentially agnostic or mildly, culturally Christian now I guess. Now that it's not so fire and brimstone I can appreciate some of the more comforting aspects of spirituality, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:49 PM
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Provide free sex for any incels near you, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 05:33 PM
1

I feel your pain piano man. At this point in my life I just shake my head at the amount of time/energy I invested in something that means basically nothing to me now. Then again I could say the same about all my past relationships and my undergraduate degree...so who's counting
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 07:13 AM
2

Metal dick? Who wants that. There are exceptions but it's usually flabby dudes with unkempt beards thrashing their long stringy hair around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 06:50 AM
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Clooney is not a good example, his wife was already past the wall when they got married. Still hot and 17 years younger than he is, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/16 01:46 AM
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I actually did, which is precisely why I'm confused by your reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 04:18 PM
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Did you miss the part where they are helping other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 04:06 PM
3

I'm not sure I can characterize competing for status/relationships/resources in a hostile world - from the female or male perspective frankly - as a "self-imposed exile." You may be damned if you do but you are most certainly damned if you don't. What other choice do we have? Joining a monastery?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/16 01:46 AM
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Agreed. In this case, ignorance really is bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:31 PM
3

I know...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 11:00 PM
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Yes. Whatever you do, avoid the long drawn-out awkward stuff and get to the point, unless you want friendship and nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 08:47 PM
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It's sad, but abuse "feels" normal, so they don't have the same reaction to it. This is very true. It has a desensitizing effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 07:57 PM
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I'd say there are very few women that are so dead gorgeous that they can get marriage whenever they want. This seems like a more interesting comparison to the male incel condition than whether or not all women can get laid at will.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 07:23 PM
1

crickets
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/16 05:19 PM
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Because he didn't ask me, I've never seen or met the man (and therefore lack context entirely), and I would never tell someone that they are "doomed to die alone" anyway. Besides, isn't this "die alone" concept a bit much? I could "die alone." A tall/attractive man could "die alone." Nobody's guaranteed a relationship, much less one that lasts forever with a person of their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 11:14 PM
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I haven't the faintest idea. Possibly could be other aspects of looks, personality-related intangibles, or his standards. I've never denied that being a 5'3 man is going to be tough in the dating market. You just asked me if a 5'3 man is "doomed to died alone," and I don't think there is reason to automatically assume that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 11:06 PM
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In a word, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 10:34 PM
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Those particular neckbeard guys are worse ok, lol. Obviously he looks a bit better in the photos you linked but I watched part of the video again and had the same reaction. Part of it is facial expressions/movements which stills don't capture to the same extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 10:33 PM
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Yeah I agree it is interesting. I haven't seen this reaction to fat white guy nexkbeards. I must have just missed some of those threads, because I would be there saying the exact same thing about fat white guy neckbeards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 09:47 PM
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Also could be a race thing. Perhaps all of the white women (and men) think he's ugly? If that's true it must be subconscious. I'm totally willing to entertain that I - and many others - may have a subconscious bias to be more frequently attracted toward people of similar ethnicity. But I don't consciously think this guy is unattractive b/c of his race. It's not like I'm sitting there going "oh he looks hispanic/asian/middle eastern or something so...ugly." (In fact I'm not even sure what this du…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 09:12 PM
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Yeah, he's...unattractive. I will say it openly. This guy would struggle IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:58 PM
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In think many Extro girls are hotter than intros since they put more effort into their looks. It may be as simple as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:52 PM
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I don't think the height preference is recent. Most of the women in my family going back generations have married tall men. It's an attractive trait and that's nothing new. That said the idea that if you're just under 6' or even 5'10 you're automatically doomed from ever finding love with anyone is hyperbolic echo chamber bullshit from people who just want to blame their other unrelated failures or unattractive traits on something immutable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:40 PM
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Not me. I don't take it lightly. Prophylactics are a must until we've both gotten tested and are exclusive, preferably beyond that point even. After that it's the pill/IUD/diaphragm I guess. I haven't tried the pill or an IUD so I'll just have to cross that bridge when I get to it and see how my body reacts. I really dislike the idea of hormonal bc, but it's better than an unwanted baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/16 07:12 PM
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What in particular do you dislike about her/her advice? Just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 12:16 AM
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They think it makes them look cool and emancipated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 10:02 PM
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Temporarily. I'm not buying that virtually any heterosexual man is "totally fine" w/o women in the long run. The thirst is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:59 PM
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It varies, but yeah I can see why it would be a red flag for some. Btw I was sorry to read about your breakup in one of the other threads. Hope you're doing all right.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 09:42 PM
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...but not eat them. Too fattening.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 08:52 PM
1

Assuming someone ticked most of your other boxes, a difficult relationship with their family would override all of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/16 08:50 PM
2

That's it, time for a PPD break.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 10:44 PM
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I think I went lengths to hedge here and say that I wasn't arguing that getting a specific degree or career path was the only way to develop these traits, merely that it's a common route. People that are easily bored and resort to stepping out are the problem, regardless of education. Eh, I'd argue there's probably some correlation there with education and FTO. Not always, but RP guys are all about their beloved heuristics after all...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 09:35 PM
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Exactly. The biggest female trainwrecks (mentally, physically, across the board) I've seen in my life were usually women who didn't/couldn't get educated/skilled and have options other than always being dependent on their relationships for support. I think this is for multiple reasons. It gives you "higher-order" goals to focus on in life rather than just being obsessed with your looks and your Tinder profile or your social status. It shifts your focus away from low-level pointless drama. It req…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/16 05:31 PM
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I think that's wonderful. Good for you, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:39 PM
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I just think that in a sexual and romantic relationship, drastic differences or changes in appearance will have an impact. It would be nice if attraction took moral concerns into account but I don't think it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 10:03 PM
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Lol. It's so transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 09:49 PM
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Agreed. I'm totally supportive of people (men and women) choosing that kind of lifestyle if it suits them, just minus the bitterness I see in a lot of the mgtow community.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 09:03 PM
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Why should attractiveness play a role in not being bitchy or entitled towards a man? In dating/relationships, people's relative attractiveness factors into their mutual treatment of each other. There is no "should" IMO, just "is."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 08:55 PM
3

Leading question much?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 08:49 PM
1

See Elon Musk
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 04:32 PM
2

Well at least I guessed right on the red! But same here, I'm totally on the Malbec bandwagon myself and love a nice Cabernet. I like pretty much anything decent other than moscato lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:55 AM
2

Merlot or Zin? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:25 AM
1

$$$$ or GTFO
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/16 03:09 AM
2

What the fuck Charles
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 10:54 PM
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Seems reasonable in response to the many incel-related "personal blog entry" equivalents that have been posted here throughout the past several months.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 08:34 PM
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Genius and unattractive. At that level of intelligence I would either be able to invent some way to get more attractive, or would just not care about such things anymore and devote my life to advancing myself and/or the universe. I think being average-to-moderately high in attractiveness and smarts is actually kind of an unfortunate condition. :( You'll never reach the zenith where you can really capitalize on much of it, but will waste a lot of time trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 08:03 PM
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Are there some theorists you like more than others? As far as the dead white men go, I suppose I "like" Kant, Bentham, Nietzsche and Kierkegaard among others. Or there's something interesting in all of them. As I said, I can't say I find any major moral theories convincing in isolation though. Do you have a general guideline for good? Subjective as I said. Personally, when I think of good things I think of things that lead to growth, health, beauty, art, knowledge, love, etc. I like all of those…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 07:25 PM
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Nah, all bets are off in that kind of scenario. Self-defense and just deserts as far as I'm concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/16 06:55 PM
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If so, how would you describe your moral or ethical beliefs? This is difficult. I see elements of interest in many moral systems that I've encountered, but I don't follow one in particular. Essentially I believe in pursuing constrained self-interest. The "altruism" above and beyond that that I exhibit I believe is a consequence of luxury. A luxury notably enabled by a society with a collective social contract. I have my quibbles w/ all the major moral theorists but it's all fun to think about. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 06:47 PM
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but when you're dating someone it's basically to figure out what you want. Right, and that's where it gets messy. It's pretty rare for people to be totally on the same page in that regard at the same time, so it's reasonable to expect some tension. As long as people aren't outright lying about their intentions (or even so), modern dating involves ambiguity that people just have to accept. The only thing I would add is that a lot of people use this ambiguity for plausible deniability (they honest…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 04:22 PM
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How do you view modern dating, particularly wrt young people? I honestly think it's a bit of a mess. Do you think it’s dishonest for women to date men by seeing them in private places alone without sleeping with them? No Do you think this is unrealistic of the modern dating scene, particularly when it comes to young people? Maybe somewhat. We decided to trade cut-and-dry rules of courtship for a metric fuckton of ambiguity, that was the Faustian bargain I suppose. Do you think either party has s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/16 05:18 AM
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Oh, ok. By that definition it makes sense. I guess my concept of "traditional woman" is a bit broader.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 11:41 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 08:38 PM
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Well....I guess that's one option lol. An alternative might be at least attempting to get mentally and physically healthy, learning effective social communication, and starting the long climb out of the depressing, self-defeating hole that they have fallen into.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 08:32 PM
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Me too - I got them during my last growth spurt when I was 14ish, not because of any abnormal weight gain. Lots of little purple marks all over my body; I was terrified at the time. It was so sudden! They've faded now and aren't nearly as noticeable. I'm not bothered by it...I have quite a few scars that have faded well into my fair skin too. One of the few benefits of being pale IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:44 AM
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It's incel mania again. Sigh
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/16 02:21 AM
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Oh, I consider it work! Often very dangerous, stressful, physically and emotionally demanding work (which is one of the reasons I don't want to do it). Now, that doesn't mean it's going to be respected, and it's still illegal in many locations, but that's a tradeoff decision that the woman considering sex work would have to make. But I don't think TRPers have the same view, probably due to some male solipsism. Most men think getting paid to have sex with randoms all day would be a great deal. Oh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 07:31 PM
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/thread You are on fire today lol. Well you usually are but today especially
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 07:47 AM
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The truth is that it depends on everything - what you look like, the vibe I'm getting from you, your "line," the context/environment, what my day's been like....there really isn't a bad location necessarily, your reception will be multifactorial. ...annnd you can't predict some of those things, so that's why you should probably just go for it if you notice any IOIs - so long as you know how to take no for an answer. Overall I'm not sure I'd hit up the grocery specifically in a singleminded effor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 07:40 AM
1

she was fat and not in a good way Is there a good way?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/16 07:35 AM
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I'm of the opinion that diversification is usually a good thing. If you can have some semblance of a career and have a relationship, that's better than just relying on one. To the extent that feminism has opened more of those doors up, that's a positive for women. I am, however, sceptical of the claim that feminism is solely responsible for such opportunities (how about necessity in a rapidly evolving economy?). I'd be the first to say that there is some ridiculous messaging from the broader cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 09:01 PM
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In my mind, the Church is nothing more than a beta creating machine. Its sole purpose now is to hitch men up to their life long plow. There's a lot more to it than that, but I certainly agree there's a slave mindset they try to impress upon people. You soon learn that the meek most certainly don't inherit the earth if you know what I mean. It would have been sinful to indulge in that "superficial" universe. While other teenage boys were trying to score, I was trying NOT to be sucked into "pop cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 04:33 PM
1

And TIL I'm the man!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 03:02 AM
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Interesting. I'm willing to entertain that formerly religious guys have a unique struggle, actually. There's a lot of "beta programming" in certain religions. I've seen my brothers and former friends struggle with some of it. (In fact that's how I got involved in the pillosphere in the first place.) But this looks thing...sigh. Unless you were truly cloistered, it's beyond me how you could have lived in such an alternate non-superficial universe. You just weren't paying attention. Even more shoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 01:56 AM
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If I were to just self-assess on the spot, I'd say I spend more time focused externally. That said, I find all the auxiliary/tertiary/shadow f(x) stuff confusing so I never really looked into it much. I also prefer the Enneagram in all honesty... Its quite possible too that you change your preference of what cognitive functions you use based on situations and what you need to get done. Oh definitely. I think I have significant control over my personality, or at least how I express it, and that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 01:35 AM
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I would very much like to know what Christian denomination pem was, raised in Me too. I was raised Christian/Catholic and never get the faintest impression that looks weren't important or attractive people were bad. That sex was evil, sure, but never that looks weren't important. The people I saw getting married were generally quite looksmatched which suggested to me that...looks mattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 01:05 AM
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Female. Not at all. Growing up, being as attractive as possible was always considered a positive trait that led to social and romantic success. There was no doubt in my mind. And even if it wasn't always spelled out explicitly, I would've figured it out by induction very, very early.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 12:54 AM
0

Aesop's fables
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/16 12:45 AM
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What if she's never done that with anyone and doesn't plan to start now just to prove some silly point to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 09:10 PM
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Every white rockstar. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 08:22 PM
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Exactly. From a purely mercenary perspective of course. Unfortunately I have a bit of a soul - my undoing. Really impedes my success at a scheme like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 06:27 PM
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If I was purely rational, I would have married an older man who was deluded into thinking I wanted him sexually, have one of his kids, and divorce him while I was still young enough to find an attractive suitor on his dime. Yep, for everything RP says about these guys having "wised up," there are still plenty out there who would risk it all for a pretty younger woman. There's this 30-something guy I know who I'm pretty sure I could do this with. It's rather sad actually because he is extremely i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 06:15 PM
2

Essentially yes. Or rather, we have aspects of both I and E. I actually thought I was a straight-up introvert for a long time but people who were very perceptive of me disagreed, and now I see why. This is going to be LONG (sorry)....but I've been thinking about this recently and maybe someone else out there can relate to it. My experience of 'ambiversion': I'm comfortable in groups and crowds, I'm warm, like meeting new people, I'm rarely 'shy.' I have a side of me that is the life of the party…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/16 08:20 AM
1

Thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 10:01 PM
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That was profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:50 PM
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ENTP, last time I checked. I consider myself more of an ambivert though. Overall I rather dislike the I-E and T-F dichotomies; while I get the point of the distinction, I see a lot of people who use it to rationalize their lack of self-confidence, self-awareness, or inability to communicate effectively. (I was also guilty of this for a certain period of time.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/16 07:45 PM
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Yeah I was just curious what your thoughts were on that language difference since in English "love" is pretty vague/broad/ambiguous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 11:03 PM
1

What do you think about the Greek classifications of love?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 10:25 PM
1

Interesting take.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:53 PM
1

What time period/culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:05 PM
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Eh...I'd be extremely hesistant about advocating withdrawal. At your own risk, folks. "What do you call people who use the pull out method? Parents."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 09:03 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of men here essentially saying "read my mind" I have a different idea...how about you employ a more straightforward method of communication? "One drink in exchange for imminent access to your nether regions?" I guarantee you won't have this problem any longer. Well, you might have your own drink thrown in your face, but at least you won't have to deal with the crushing knowledge that a mercenary woman callously used you for something you freely proffered.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:40 PM
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through most of history were never unattended by other women unless the most dirt poor. you sinply were never alone with men. Your opinion is that throughout most of history, until now, women didn't have the risk of rape? Eh, I guess I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you there...I mean, marital rape wasn't even a concept for a long time, plus I personally would include the risks faced by poor women, slaves, prostitutes, i.e. less privileged women, in the equation. And that's not even t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 08:13 PM
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As Skinny said, my first thought was that women have always risked rape. There was never a former order or an environment in which women have been protected from rape. Her other point seems very reminiscent of the religious mentality I grew up with, which was that it was a woman's responsibility to dress modestly lest she tempt her brethren into sin. Obviously you can try to be aware of context and attempt to dress "appropriately" for different environments, but in my experience that guarantees …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/16 07:43 PM
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Men want a pretty girl, and while they prefer that the girl has some abilties, charm and empathy goes a long way to compensate for a lack of wit or knowledge. Women are very similar, except I'd say we prioritize personality/abilities/success a bit more than just looks, while men do the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 02:31 AM
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I take this designation very seriously My uniform
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 01:29 AM
3

Had this conversation with another PPDer Quit throwing shade at my man
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:52 AM
1

SWPLs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:44 AM
1

Do you have to choose? I like both. :D It just depends on how the whole package comes together.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:10 AM
1

Do you think women should face the same criminal justice as literal children (children don't go to adult prison)? Great point I'd like to see TRPers respond to, since they're usually arguing just the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 06:29 PM
1

I also don't walk into strange alleys, enter creepy old mansions, or check out the wailing noise in the attic at midnight. You should see Don't Breathe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 06:27 PM
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No. Just no. Thankfully I have dual citizenship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 09:57 PM
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I couldn't tell you how common it is, but I could totally believe it. Living with an active criminal would get exhausting, not to mention existentially threatening, and of course morally problematic if you have any scruples whatsoever. All of those things given time could easily outweigh whatever cheap thrill the thug in question may be offering. Still, of course it really depends on the level of shadiness. Personally there are certain things that are unforgivable. Unconditional loyalty is not, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 08:51 PM
1

Ah, the good old No True Incel fallacy
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 08:01 PM
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Assuming he has all that going for him, agreed. Just pointing out that there is no automatic upward trajectory. The big reason women, especially younger women, would be interested in an older man is because of the security and power he can provide and that entails some real-world success not just a vague sense of maturity. I have known many men in their 30s-50s who have not accomplished those things and they have not done well with women. By TRP standards, mostly atrocious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 05:21 PM
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If he has some serious $$$$$$$. If not, he's in the same position as that 20 year old, maybe worse. Guys don't just magically appreciate in SMV as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 04:52 PM
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Definition of misogyny is: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. I have a hard time seeing how a considerable amount of posts on TRP wouldn't be viewed as falling into that category by an impartial observer. I don't think you guys should be censored or anything, but come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 01:34 AM
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Yeah, I've had similar observations with similarly wide swaths of men and I largely agree with your point. Most men aren't naturally sensitive or understanding, it's something they turn on very selectively in order to maintain a particular woman's affections. And that's not a bitter comment. I do think men are capable of at least attempting to empathize with their woman's issues, but it's usually seen as a herculean sacrifice on the part of the man to "put up with" their girlfriend/wife's emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 12:26 AM
1

Is this a recent conclusion for you or something you've thought for a long time?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 12:13 AM
1

What about your personality/temperament? What vibe do you think you give off to potential suitors? Also do you have an active or semi-active social life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 02:30 AM
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If I ever have kids (which is up in the air), I'd much rather have a son. Not really due to any old-fashioned conceptions of sons carrying on the family name or being more productive or whatever. I just think raising a daughter would be more difficult for me for some reason. I fear I might project some of my own issues, which I would deeply regret.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/16 02:06 AM
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Dating apps or Reddit? Because a lot people probably won't admit to using dating apps. Or Reddit for that matter lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 04:46 PM
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Seriously. What a bunch of world champion mental gymnastics for 'why I can still bag an HB9'
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 04:44 PM
1

This must be like your theme song
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 03:12 AM
2

When we're talking about sexism,we're not talking about acknowledgement, we're talking about stereotyping and prejudice. They are inseparable. How on earth can you discuss any conception of sexism without acknowledging the real-world concrete effect that certain attributes have on peoples' social, professional, and/or romantic status? Anyway I think you're trying to make some kind of moralistic argument here whilst I'm making a pragmatic one. what's important here is that some women feel offende…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 10:22 PM
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Men who are unable or simply don't have any desire to fulfill the roles of providers or leaders are looked down upon. Meh. It's more like they realistically acknowledge the fact that the real-world options of such men are vastly more limited than they would be if they were ambitious and/or attractive. That's not something RPW is concocting to force men into roles they don't choose of their own volition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 09:17 PM
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Sounds like you really should just own your behaviour if you really believe you were in the right. Though if you don't feel there was anything wrong or at least ambiguous about what you did, I doubt you would be here justifying it to us. For the record, I couldn't care less about the scenario you describe nor do I think you committed some grave sin by the sound of it. It sounds totally prosaic. But expecting people to not be upset after a rejection is a bit rich. Welcome to life...when you rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 07:09 PM
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What is an "average man" to you, in detail? I need to get a sense of your barometer before I can really understand where you're coming from. Online dating and the Internet in general has probably had an certain negative impacts for some of its users like inflated expectations, option addiction, etc. (although keep in mind the many people in the world who rarely or never use them - I'm one of them). But I think it works both ways. Some women get big heads because tons of guys spam them messages, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 06:56 PM
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Understandable lol. A balance must be struck - one of the biggest motivators in life is the possibility of improvement so I would never want to crush that yearning for something "better" completely. Just, you know, douse it with a bucketful of reality if one is becoming prone to excessive delusions of grandeur and castles in the air. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 05:49 PM
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We are in agreement then. I do think it gets increasingly harder to continually lie to yourself and others about stuff like your appearance and qualifications as you get older though. You kind of have to wake up and smell the coffee eventually - you're probably not that smart, not that hot, not that talented, don't have that much potential etc - although some people do make a hell of an effort to avoid doing that, it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 05:04 PM
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Of course it's possible for people to be delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 04:44 PM
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Appearance-wise...pale complexion, dark hair (thanks to the bottle, that's right I dye my hair darker), hazel eyed, relatively slim. Michelle Trachtenberg is a vague likeness. Stuff is always in flux but lately it's been something like this: 8 - Emerge from bed. Stumble zombie like toward my caffeinated beverage of choice. Go through my pilates/yoga routine (or run, but today I wasn't feeling it). I skipped breakfast this morning which I often do, to my shame. Shower/hygiene/makeup etc. 9ish - A…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 07:47 AM
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I can certainly believe that's an aspect of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 02:21 AM
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How do you define intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:10 AM
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Were they seriously inebriated at the time? Did they have some kind of sudden break with reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:05 AM
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Thanks. Wow...I asked, hype delivered. Guess I've got some (more) homework this weekend! I'd say more, but frankly my current knowledge of Objectivism is basically limited to the occasional tipsy political ramble with the college republicans and back issues of Reason magazine left lying around that certain libertarian relative's house. I never could motivate myself to slog through Atlas Shrugged, it's a monster of a tome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 11:42 PM
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Apparently it's a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 11:17 PM
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Yeah, I've noticed both what the OP describes and what you mention in different circumstances. It seems like it can work both ways. I'm not sure exactly why people are inclined to rationalize it either way, but I'm not convinced SES is directly related to peoples' judgments of personal responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:34 PM
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Could you go into a bit more detail on this for those of us who haven't read much Rand? Why is she so maligned amongst philosophers?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:23 PM
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They are intelligent, but they aren't smart. The kind of obtuseness I have the least patience with - people who have the raw materials to do better if they just applied themselves a bit more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 03:46 PM
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Male supremacy my foot; how quickly and eagerly you submit to your female counterpart! Nonetheless I approve of your newfound humility, slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 02:31 AM
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Padding a decade+ strains credulity but I certainly agree on making connections. Network the fuck out of whatever you're involved in. It's a numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 02:30 AM
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I can't presume to know for certain, but I imagine it must involve a lot of internet fuming, prolific gaming, mercenary manipulating, epic lifting, active dreading, cold-hearted plating, hard nexting, and furious wanking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 11:41 PM
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LOL, pretty tough to start building a career after 35. Who wants to hire a thirty-something with minimal skills or relevant experience? You'd be competing against younger and better qualified people. There is a professional wall too. It's a bit of a catch-22 these days. Women have to try to prioritize both simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 10:55 PM
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The 6 and 7 categories in general seem really iffy to me. Clearly the personal taste of the guy who made it. Plus in general he's comparing women who are fully made up and in good lighting/angles vs. women who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 07:35 PM
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Do most incels not work? I don't know. I have my suspicions that the un/underemployment rate for them is elevated. It's not like there have been studies so all we can do is speculate. I think some struggle more with the employment aspect, some with their appearance and some socially. And obviously your appearance and social skills impact your employment prospects considerably. Plus as I said a lot of them seem really young, like late teens/early 20s, so who's to say yet. How are you differentiat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 10:45 PM
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If most incels were actually 'slaves' for the system they might have the potential for more relevance. I'm not convinced this is the case. Usually more omega than beta in my estimation. (Or just really young and confused and neurotic, that's common too.) I don't think we'll destroy monogamy "completely" unless people categorically stop reproducing. But we've certainly dispensed with any traditional mores surrounding it or the expectation that it be lifelong.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:48 PM
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Sometimes it's just virtue signalling. I think some might care in a general sense about "pacifying the masses" in terms of resources and directing society toward their ends, but it certainly isn't focused on a group of out-of-the-loop sexless young men whinging on a corner of the internet. Associating themselves with that would be the kiss of death. I'm just not seeing how powerful men with more money than God and better things to do would be compelled to care about self-described 'incels.'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:16 PM
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If I was a billionaire plutocrat like George Soros or the Koch brothers with the power of influencing society I would totally encourage the scenario I just described. Successful, powerful men couldn't care less about the struggles of incels. They benefit from the social order as it stands. Also this is hare-brained, solipsistic and ethically atrocious, but that much is obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 08:25 PM
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I usually carry pepper spray. I've taken some martial arts/self defense classes but I really doubt that would be of much use to me in an emergency situation. I'd like to eventually train with firearms and may potentially buy one. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 04:47 PM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:14 PM
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I may or may not care; it depends on factors unspecified.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 08:13 PM
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This is a good point. Conformity seems to be a female virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 04:42 PM
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Agreed, and hell, at least he's not bad to look at and theorize about. I keep Googling of all these potential Chad Candidates for analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 05:42 PM
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"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 07:28 AM
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That's one way to look at it. There are other lenses though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 06:56 AM
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You guys are obsessed with Lochte lately lol Do guys like Ryan Lochte represent the Chad stereotype? Based on my vast experience hanging with fratboys and other assorted college douchebros, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/16 06:54 AM
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Certain fish really could use a bicycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:45 PM
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1, let the best man win. (It's not like it's unprecedented...A's still taller than Muggsy Bogues lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 08:43 AM
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Probably true, but she didn't really become an "optional" person to deal with until recently. Anyway, yeah, what's up with people treating people they claim as friends and loved ones worse than total strangers a lot of the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 08:13 AM
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For sure, it's definitely contextual. The only thing I would say is that a lot of people with less positive intentions use the banter/ribbing label as a cover for their cruelty, as was the case in my recent situation. They know full well that they're going beyond the playful realm and into depressing and hurtful territory, but they just keep going there anyway, acting oblivious and spinning it like it's all in good fun. One of my relatives is the master of this technique. Sledgehammer, slight he…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 11:11 PM
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Right, I don't get this need to cut other people down to lift yourself up. I think it's really a self-hating coping mechanism to be honest. I had to cut someone out of my life very recently because of this. She would just criticize me constantly and after years of putting up with it I'd had enough. It wasn't even only passive-aggressive but full-on cruel, personal insults, getting progressively more caustic and cynical. The ironic thing is that her own life is a complete trainwreck, but I've nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 10:09 PM
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Even as a woman I basically agree with this sentiment. I'm small and soft-spoken so people tend to really try to power-trip, tease, and generally provoke me a lot. You have to set the tone and assert boundaries early with certain people, otherwise you're already losing the battle. That said, I think putting a total moratorium on jokes/banter/oneupsmanship in personal relationships would be rather dull. When its being done in good spirits it can be quite fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 08:57 PM
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Out of curiosity, where are you drawing the line between used up carouselers looking for beta cucks and carouselers who really do want to get it right
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 08:08 PM
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some are jaded and cynical and trying to apply RP to attract and keep the best man they can. Exactly. Join the jaded slutty golddigger club at /r/RedPillWhores today!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 07:45 PM
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Yeah, OP made some good points but that part was not right. 20-something women are rarely interested in 40-something, or even 30-something men barring extraordinary circumstances or coercion, so it's not as much of a factor as OP was implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 07:20 PM
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If people actually were completely silent about it, you probably wouldn't know. The thing is, belief systems can't help but work their way into your real life attitudes and interactions most of the time unless you're a hermit. In my experience, it's the opportunities they take to make snide or overly cynical comments to work their agenda into an interaction. It's the same thing with some of the SJW crowd or the religious crowd or the atheist crowd, etc. There's an agenda that they've been waitin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 07:11 PM
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Good point. I can't remember who said that relationships are like a long con, but that really resonated with me. I think a big part of establishing rapport and a positive dynamic in a relationship involves some lying, at least by omission. People always respond badly when I say that lol, you articulated it way better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 06:12 PM
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Yeah I wouldn't think so with those criteria. There's something missing from the picture when many RP dudes here claim that finding a relatively unambitious, sentient woman who doesn't look like an ogre and isn't a psych ward candidate to be an extremely difficult task. You've gotta wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 06:09 PM
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Is that really that difficult to find?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 05:38 PM
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Unless you're a TRPer
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 05:18 PM
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Lol yes, there's definitely a serious hipster vibe for a lot of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 05:11 PM
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Yes, with women that's usually enough measurements with women are way more important. Hmm so overall do you think it's more competitive for women or men? But yeah, there's definitely a strong element of androgyny for both sexes and a fetish for some weird, sometimes off-putting, looks that can be a bit of a head-scratcher. I read an article about models with acne being a new trend. High fashion clearly is a world unto itself!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 04:32 PM
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Oh yeah, I can see that. Making money directly off your appearance tends to be pretty competitive. Though it seems the most important things at least as a woman are being a skeletal clothesrack and being really fucking tall (there are some interesting faces out there). Incidentally why I wouldn't stand a chance haha, that's not the look I'm rocking. Don't know what it's like for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:35 PM
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Depending on your preference that guy compared to me is roadkill; basic AF. Okay, so you're an off the charts 11+, he'd be like a 9/10 to most women. He's tall, in great shape, and his face is at least passably attractive....bam, ran the table. The standards for men's facial attractiveness are not as high as they are for women. In general, there is such a thing as good enough in life. :) (I'm probably 8ish and don't lose sleep lol) (His face legitimately resembles a construction worker or someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 08:02 AM
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He's basically just a fratboy with a swimmers body. That's a bad thing? :D Not in my book. Still an annoying drunken idiot though. Viper riverri makes him look beyond mediocre. Who? Awesome name whoever that is. Oh and platinum blond is a good look for him, he should keep that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 11:38 PM
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Really attractive women (along with educated women) are much less likely to keep an unwanted pregnancy. Interesting point. The thought crossed my mind as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 09:04 AM
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Right, it's true....there's a ton of other nasty and avoidable STIs though. And the HIV risk unprotected depends on the type of intercourse and your partner's history of engaging in high risk sex as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:40 AM
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He strikes me as pretty dumb. He's hot but he'd get annoying quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:33 AM
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Have some respect for my body, your body, your wife's body. It's atrocious. That's my biggest issue. It's a massive social health problem that people need to take seriously again. Seems like since AIDS is no longer a death sentence too many people are cool with risking it now. And it's true that they won't protect you from everything but it's sure as hell better than nothing. I'm a huge proponent of prophylactics. I used to hand them out to friends at university. I'd be throwing them out of truc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:27 AM
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This is news? Apparently. Look dude, I put science in quotes for a reason. Humour me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 08:11 AM
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I don't drink What a shame! (jk) But you, a teetotaler...would not have guessed. Meanwhile I'm a French/Russian/Irish triple threat so staying dry wasn't really in the cards :D
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:09 AM
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Sorry I'm mildly alcoholic an "enthusiast" so I'm oblivious with my drinks references...it's a snobby before-dinner drink. But yeah, the schmoozing involved in that lifestyle is not for everyone. I'm like you in that I'm sometimes annoyed w/ maintaining the "veneer" and social masks BS but I do it when I must
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 10:40 PM
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It varies, I've seen a lot of hate and animosity for women and even feminists who don't subscribe to the lovefest. In fact sometimes it's stronger because there's a traitor aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 07:40 PM
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True, and sometimes the requirements are quite specific to avoid any social faux pas...I know a guy who lost his chance at a high finance job because he shotgunned a fine aperitif at an important dinner
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 07:23 PM
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The thing about sahm is that there is very little accountability involved. Agreed, it is whatever you make it. Some women thrive in this capacity and others go off the deep end or completely phone it in. I totally agree with the OP that there is a significant amount of work involved if you do it well and with a reasonably positive attitude, and those women should be appreciated/praised, but there are also many sahms who give it a bad name, do the bare minimum and even seem to resent that. Suffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 06:26 PM
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In reality, it was more like a total nightmare. Black Death, famines, minimal scientific progress, rampant violence, religious wars, stark classism/major divisions in resource distribution. But yeah, I'm sure betwixt all of that most everyone was running around having a ton of fun and getting laid like tile.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 05:52 PM
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I have a similar perspective. Just because I have a low n-count does not mean I am more likely to be loyal, or to be more impressed by a mediocre sex life, or that I lack the desire to seek novelty. It might, but it could even be that the repression of those instincts earlier in life may actually serve to exacerbate the desire for a high quality partner and fulfilling sex life in the future, by whatever means necessary to achieve it. (I think in religious communities this phenomenon is well know…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:54 PM
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Well, that's after intermittently studying for a grueling upcoming exam all day, so it's a mixed bag...but yeah, can't complain that much :D
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 10:51 PM
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I'm just not a joiner. I try to be a freethinker and avoid buying into any ideology wholesale. I'd rather debate ideas on their merits with minimal allegiance to any particular preconceived notions...that way maybe I'll learn something.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 09:31 PM
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Agreed. Even if you no longer believe fully in the spiritual aspects, the remnants of the years in pews and reading scriptures stay with you forever. I still wear a cross for some reason. It's weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 08:57 PM
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In that scenario, then it is no longer useful and should be dispensed with. If any ideologies lead to self-destruction and despair and debilitating cynicism then they are useless to the individual in question. A great deal of uncertainty must be coped with in life and a great many lies of omission must be made in order to have harmonious relationships. We all convince ourselves of certain fictions to get through life, but you have to find the ones that work for you. They are most certainly not t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:32 PM
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Oh, I'm told my relationship will end all the time. In real life? Wow, that is so rude!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 05:19 PM
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It's not that I'm against systematizing, I just think it is sometimes incomplete in its assessments of human behaviour and relationships, and sometimes over-emphasizes an immutable, ubiquitous nature over nurture. I'm flexible though - I can definitely appreciate that it can be useful, especially for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:58 PM
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Very true, there is no inherent value in the mating game, merely market or relative value.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 04:21 PM
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Women with rigid height requirements are a minority; women with strong preferences are a majority. Honestly, I'm 5'5 and it would take a lot for me to consider dating a guy much shorter than average. He'd have to really impress me and even then it's iffy. I could conceivably psych myself into it under special circumstances though. Not fair, i know. Not a damn thing I can do about the predilection, oddly since I've brain hacked my way into changing a lot of my preferences and habits over the year…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 07:52 AM
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Great point. Some of them could probably kill it in sales/marketing or account management or PR. Or anything else that requires elaborate subterfuge and mercenary behaviour, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:21 AM
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Maybe he cheats. Maybe his personality is too stressful/demanding/intense/unstable to be around long-term. Maybe they feel like they are chasing him and that dynamic has lost its appeal. Maybe the relationship is just generally too one-sided. That sort of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:46 PM
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Now we'd have to agree on the definition of douchebag. Think about it, if Chad was always a dick, the woman would feel too bad eventually and shutdown or leave. In my experience, a lot of women do give up on Chads. Being with a guy like that is too much work for not enough return...but the thing about Chad is that he doesn't care. He got what he wanted, so why would he be bothered if some women ditch him for his dastardly ways? Besides, there will always be some persistent chicks who will put up…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:29 PM
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Yes, my image of Chad is that of a douchebag. I'm not implying that all attractive men are douchebags, however.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:12 PM
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Sorry, can you rephrase? Your meaning is ambiguous to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 09:07 PM
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Are their parents/relatives going to continue supporting them ad infinitum? Man, I really don't understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:47 PM
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What I find most novel about this phenomenon is how exactly people are locating family members who are willing to host their asses no questions asked, rent-free, whilst they have no plans of pursuing further education or work for years on end.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 08:13 PM
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But this is why TRP places so much emphasis lifting so much, having a sense of style and adopting somewhat of a cocky attitude...they're trying to change what they can. And that's totally fine, assuming you have a decent enough "base" to work with. That won't necessarily make up for severe deficiencies though. I'm just making the point that merely running around acting like a cocky douchebag, if you can't back up all the posturing with the real deal, doesn't pan out well most of the time. That's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:28 PM
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Lord, he's revolting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 07:08 PM
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I agree, but I'd take it a different direction. TRP seems to want to emulate the douchebag nature of Chad. Unless you're as hot/successful/popular as he is, that's often not a good call. People will catch onto the ruse quickly and won't put up with nearly as much BS from an inferior poser. There's a lot of hate for beta behaviour on here, but all I can say is those guys are playing their own game. True, it's not usually as effective as Chad game, but if you don't have Chad's goods, it may be the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 06:56 PM
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Concur completely. This is one of my bigger dating issues; guys with out of control tendencies, dead-end prospects, neuroses and/or damage are drawn to me and I have zero interest in being drawn into that mess. I struggle to comprehend women who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 03:47 PM
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I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find some peace/closure. The vastly different attitudes from the men in this thread are fascinating to me. It's definitely a highly charged issue, and clearly the generalization that men are indifferent or avoidant on the issue of reproduction doesn't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 03:01 AM
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Goldeneye was the exception imo, reasonably compelling and entertaining. Plus the psycho dominatrix Bond girl was disturbingly hilarious, haha Die Another Day, on the other hand, was ridiculous. Tsunami parachute surfing, give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:03 AM
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I think /u/GridReXX would be good at it. Have no idea if she'd ever want to moderate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 11:38 PM
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Our society revolves around fostering competition, ensuring a constant state of discontent and desire to possess and consume, as well as a semi-pernicious belief that working hard enough can solve virtually anything. While it's fairly effective at motivating the majority of people to play into the societal game, it's also not hard to see how some fall through the cracks and things can go off the rails from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 10:33 PM
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Personally I think ScarJo is rather pretty (definitely moreso than Aniston IMO)...but for sure, I think most celebs would be knocked down at least a few points sans the layers of makeup, photo retouching, cosmetic surgery, makeup artists/health advisors/fitness trainers, etc. A lot of us could look pretty damn stunning as well if we had that much time and money to invest in our appearances!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 10:03 PM
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Indeed. It was an important turn for the franchise especially after the clownish Moore and unbelievable Brosnan entries (not that I hate them, they have their place).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 09:51 PM
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What does the typical incel or ForeverAlone look like? Could conceivably be average-looking, though I have a hunch many are short and/or have a weight problem. I don't dispute the accounts of some who claim to be very unattractive physically, though I doubt all or most of them are beyond intervention. What is his personality like? Probably introverted. Somewhat awkward/nervous or oblivious in social situations. Cynical. In your opinion, what is the biggest thing holding most ForeverAlones back a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:38 PM
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haha good point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:21 PM
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Oh he is, just in a rugged way that not all women would be into. Plenty, including me, are though. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:16 PM
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For me she's more bland than anything. Fair enough. :) See, a lot of people say Zoe Deschanel (sp? I have no idea) has the "girl nextdoor" thing going on, but to me she's just a stunning woman. True, she's lovely, and I was a bit torn using her as an example for that reason. I can't put my finger on it exactly as her features are definitely quite pretty but the composite still = "cute" to me. Not a bad thing at all. I agree that a lot of it is the image and bangs/glasses style she seems to go fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 08:15 PM
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Aniston was pretty in the '90s in a sweet, unassuming sort of way Right, this is what people say. I hear you, I just don't see it. Her facial proportions and features seem off to me and far from pretty, including when she was younger. I guess when I think of a girl-next-door look I think of something more like this. Aniston doesn't look either cute or beautiful to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:52 PM
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I'll get a lot of hate for this I'm sure, but Johnny Depp. Particularly now, but when he was younger too. I don't think he's completely hideous, but I just don't get the hype. A member of the same sex I find completely inexplicable is Jennifer Aniston. I see women on the street who put her to shame every day. (And hell, sorry to come off like a conceited bitch...but I could probably give her a run for her money as well, which IMO isn't saying much)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:22 PM
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Yeah, he works for me too actually. I kind of like certain guys who look like they were punched in the face a few too many times. Daniel Craig springs to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:08 PM
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Agreed, overrated. And now he looks like a truck driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:01 PM
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Me too, I dig him. There's something kind of alien about his facial proportions, but in a good way. I can see why he's controversial though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 07:00 PM
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Are you indifferent to the financial responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 04:00 AM
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She might be emotionally ruined and that worries me. Probably only if she really wanted them in the first place, and it sounds like you wouldn't be interested in her anyway if that was the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:58 AM
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I'd go to a psychologist and ask him why I did such a boneheaded thing as planning on a lasting relationship with a girl without finding out her views on children... Fair enough, though many people are reluctant to discuss important issues like this in relationships for some reason. Maybe they're afraid of what they might find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:53 AM
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What would those exceptional circumstances be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 03:48 AM
2

I agree with you. I've seen it so many times. Many women just aren't as dumb or lacking in self-control/self-awareness as TRP makes them out to be, and write off studs and alphas almost immediately. They might just observe and figure out the game from the sidelines, or have like a couple experiences with a casanova type and swiftly change course. (Not some desperate epiphany stage with they hit their 30s.)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/16 10:01 PM
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Good for you. Honestly, I keep on recommending that kind of stuff to tight, injury-prone guys who laugh it off. Seems to be a similar blind spot a lot of women have for lifting/upper-body work in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/16 03:55 PM
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Honestly, I don't see the problem. Those who can get up to the starting gate eventually will. Those who can't or don't want to are free to lead their lives however they please. Dating and relationships can be great, but they can just as easily suck the life out of you and crush your soul. The people who are forgoing them are probably making a good call that at least at this point in their lives, the latter outcome is more likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 09:37 PM
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I think so. It's like the economics problem...unlimited wants, limited resources to fulfill them. But the wants remain the same. No one is immune to unreasonable desires/entitlements, and a lot of our conflicts involve one or both parties trying to justify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/16 09:10 PM
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I'm a natural blonde but I dye my hair black now and dyed it red once too. So I've seen all sides of it. I noticed very little difference in male attention or behaviour between blonde and brunette/black hair. That surprised me given the stereotypes and rivalry. I'd say red hair got the most attention, which is understandable since it's bright and rare. I expected it to be more polarizing but it seemed to be a real crowd pleaser instead (I actually have no intentions of repeating it for that reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 11:28 PM
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The story went that Adam was sentenced to a life of toil, and Eve to pain in childbearing. We women now have both to look forward to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/16 12:34 AM
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Personally, I get inconsistent MBTI results. I've gotten INTJ, INFP, even ENTP. Because I'm not very extreme on any of the dimensions except N, it's quite fickle. So it's hard to say. I think that my general personality and temperament definitely bleeds through into my opinions on the Pills, but I'm not sure the Myers-Briggs scale captures it particularly well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 11:14 PM
1

It's like atheism. As I understand it, it's supposed to be the absence of faith in the RP belief system rather than a counter-ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:56 PM
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/thread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:53 PM
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As far as anyone's concerned right now he's on the same level as his "practice" women so he shouldn't be so uppity. Yes...it is incredible to me that some people think others should see and take into account their potential amazing imaginary future self, rather than who they are right now and what they bring to the table currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/16 10:52 PM
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Seems like a real toss up. Some will be repelled, some wouldn't notice, some possibly might be more interested as a result. Could very well backfire though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/16 07:03 AM
2

Most men identify as dominant, period, so of course in the population of males who select to be bdsm enthusiasts more of them would be submissive. In fact, male Doms frequently have an uphill battle because being a man interested in dominant relationships is so ubiquitous. Similar to how being a female submissive is nothing novel, although obviously there will likely be more takers, in bdsm or out. Actually, I think kinks frequently have a contrary relationship to your ideology/lifestyle. Not tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/16 07:28 AM
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Agreed, don't take me wrong, I'm also somewhat bothered by the fact that appearance factors in so significantly at times. Especially since I avoid wearing revealing clothes and don't broadcast any indication of sexual availability that environment. I've become increasingly willing to take people to task for harassment issues, for instance, rather than trying to not make waves. Still, sometimes there's no recourse and certain ambiguity in this area just has to be accepted...one of the sometimes u…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:59 PM
2

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to be judgmental to manicure fans. You do you, no questions asked. The way you described it actually makes sense, it's a kind of "self care" ritual for some. Everyone has their own thing I guess. Personally though I guess I just find the emphasis odd because of my own biases. I've always hated the smell of nail polish, hate it when my cuticles are pushed/cut, and really don't think it has that much of an impact on attractiveness in comparison to other more important …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:41 PM
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I'm a woman and I've never had a manicure. I've never understood spending so much time/money on a part of the body like that when you could be spending it on your face or your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:14 PM
1

Haven't been in a relationship long enough to know yet. But I worry about this in my case. I have great self-discipline in a lot of ways so fleeting opportunities to cheat would not be that difficult to pass up, but I honestly have trouble imagining staying interested in and attracted to someone for years on end. We'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 07:46 AM
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Your ability to wear different social masks comes from your social skills, your Machiavellian side. I suppose you're right in a way. Nature or nurture is always an open question here however, and in my case, it's quite possible that given less chaotic environments at certain formative periods, I could have developed differently. It could have been worse, could have been better, anyone's guess. How do you tend to spend most of your time? Most of it? The top contenders would probably be sleep, wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 03:17 AM
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Good for you, that's a respectable sentiment. Personally, I have more mixed feelings. I've increasingly realised especially as a woman it's tough to separate your appearance/presentation from your professional marketability. In that sense I have no reservations about leveraging the superficiality of less evolved people to get other things accomplished, but then again my abilities/ambitions do extend beyond shooting YouTube makeup videos or posting soft porn on Instagram.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 02:51 AM
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Growing up I moved a lot and became conditioned to both spending long periods of time alone, but also wearing different social masks and floating in and out of incongruous environments fairly convincingly. So I'm very adaptable, but that's a double-edged sword.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/16 03:59 AM
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Do you have friends Not really. I mean, I know a lot of people superficially but I don't have any close friendships. and/or a man? No. A job that's not totally crap? Not yet... But you could have probably used it more to get ahead in life. Possibly. I suppose that really depends on one's definition of "getting ahead."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 11:01 PM
1

Last time I checked, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 09:24 PM
1

I don't relate to the overwhelming sense of betrayal/being lied to that you frequently mention. I have to admit that I always just had lower expectations of people. I'm naturally sceptical; I've never assumed the best of people or expected them to rise particularly high above their fundamental impulses and basic incentives, and am thoroughly unsurprised by them taking the most selfish route possible whenever given the opportunity. This issue is by no means limited to RP though. I regularly encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 09:09 PM
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Life is hard and nothing is guaranteed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 06:38 PM
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No. I have abundance mentality when it comes to friendship. I don't try to "save" friendships, especially not through a convoluted strategy like you're suggesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 06:00 PM
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Thanks! It was a good read; you really attacked some points of solipsism on both sides. Honestly I think this is depthhub material.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:46 AM
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In old age, I would argue that being attached to someone of the opposite sex is more beneficial to females than it is for males. I was wondering about this as well. Part of why long-term monogamy is perceived to swing in female favor is the fact that a woman has secured a stable partner to remain with her while her reproductive value declines (ostensibly). That said, OP has rightfully pointed out that male reproductive value isn't nearly as high to begin with, is more fickle, more dependent on e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:22 AM
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They never address it as a female sacrifice. An interesting blind spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 03:13 AM
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It's pretty douchey, but completely unsurprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 11:20 PM
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1) How often does this actually happen? Frequently. As in, multiple times a day, every day, assuming I leave my residence that day. 2) Where do these incidents happen? At stores while erranding, on public transportation, at the gym (I actually quit going partially due to the frequency of this), etc. I've been harassed at work, and in college I was often harassed by instructors. I'm sure there are other locations/environments, but those are the most common ones I'm thinking of at the moment. 3) W…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:32 PM
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I guess I'm sort of a PPD non-interventionist. :) I don't mind the phases all that much, it's rather entertaining. That said, I think the incel community has sufficiently alienated enough people, including some of their own at TRP, that they are never going to be getting much sympathy on here except from a few select users. And that's something they'll have to accept, that even in a community like PPD which is one of the few willing to even discuss some of these controversial issues, many of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 06:47 PM
5

Good Lord....
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 12:31 AM
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Cooking is more rewarding in a social sense, definitely. If you're good at it, there's nothing like a table of people devouring what you made and expressing their delight. In my experience women who are great cooks definitely get a lot more appreciation than those who are great housekeepers. One of my grandmothers is a bad cook, for instance, but kept her house spic and span. That's what my grandfather cared about, so she emphasised that. I notice that she never got any credit from her children …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 07:07 PM
1

The altruistic argument generally is that blatant and indiscriminate hatred toward any group is wrong. That said, I'm not all that concerned with that question. I think the psychological mindset unmitigated hate generally produces leads to despair and ineffective behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 06:43 PM
1

Whatever you say man. No accounting for taste, clearly
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:43 PM
4

On what planet is the last chick below average? She's thin, clear-skinned, has proportional/symmetrical features, and she's not even wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:20 AM
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Good call, gotta start early and stave off the horrors of the wall lol! Everything is so expensive! Indeed! I try to be minimalist, go for the cheapest stuff I can find that works, and use everything fairly sparingly. Still shell out quite a bit, despite being the sort of girl who lets my hair air-dry and has never had a manicure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 11:36 PM
2

I'm 27 and black so we look less old than our white counterparts. No need to rub it in lol. Meanwhile I'm 22 and have already started my anti-aging regimen. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 09:04 PM
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Right, there's often a certain awkwardness when in mixed-gender groups that I just can't put my finger on....people feel like they have to mince words or something, even if they don't have to. And with friendships, there's frequently the one-sided attraction that ends up being impossible to overcome. It's somewhat unfortunate, since I like getting the male perspective, but I also find I get plenty of that from my male relatives, older male mentors, and certain online communities like this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 04:58 PM
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I can really only speak for myself here. Personally, I have minimal interest in being friends with men and have rarely sought out men for friendship. So when any "friendzoning" happens, it's due to a guy initiating that kind of dynamic with me and me reluctantly/begrudgingly acquiescing to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 10:00 PM
1

We all have the capacity to suddenly become dirtbags when we don't do what someone else wants us to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:49 PM
3

♫ Dream on, dream on, dream until your dream comes true ♫
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:28 PM
3

There's no way I could do that without eventually breaking down and laughing hysterically.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:37 AM
5

Yes. The sexes are reactive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:37 AM
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What I mean by learned helplessness is the excessive victimology and frivolity of increasingly mainstream 3rd wave feminist propaganda, which IMO causes some women - and increasingly a wussified group of men who have been influenced by similar slave moralities - to be incapable of dealing with life effectively and taking personal responsibility for their decisions. In the wash, it turns out to be very disempowering, confusing, and alienates both genders from each other since we no longer directl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:24 AM
1

They're not ideal, but nothing is. Truer words never spoken. At this point I have no idea what "system" would be better or make people happier....
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:04 AM
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I don't agree with all of this obviously, but thanks for sharing your perspective. I think that there is a certain degree of learned helplessness in modern/mainstream feminism and gender role ambiguity that is unhelpful to men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:45 AM
1

I love drinking and I never get hangovers...life is good. Apparently this is a metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:13 PM
2

life is compromised of too much suffering for someone who is sub 8 in attractiveness That is an incredibly frivolous and self-indulgent statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:51 PM
1

How is the structure of your face and your height directly preventing you from achieving your life goals? Genuinely curious. I'm not in any way denying that being attractive isn't a boon for social status, romantic success, and even professionally to an extent, but in terms of a direct payoff, I rarely see it. Most people who could be considered good-looking aren't supermodels or famous actors or have any special connections. Pretty people may have certain things easier, but they still have to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:39 PM
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I think some people really overestimate what a pretty face gets you in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 09:30 PM
2

whether God the Father is a male This is essentially a tautology. But anyway...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:40 PM
3

Disagree, you brought the topic up with "veneration of Mary" being proof of female superiority in Christianity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:18 PM
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Interesting. I grew up going to both Protestant and Catholic churches, and was always taught Jesus Christ was fully human and fully God. So the Son was fully human, the Father was not a human male but still was obviously imbued with male imagery. The Holy Ghost was the only part of the trinity that seemed ambiguous from a gender perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:13 PM
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Yeah I don't see that at all. If I recall it's more like Jenny's desperately settling for Gump as a last-stop beta bux before she dies of AIDS she got from her promiscuous youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 05:00 PM
2

Guess I'm an abuse victim (or is it survivor?) then
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 06:14 AM
5

Those rules of thumb are practically meaningless IMO. Given how low-effort 'dating' is now and how much interaction is done through text, how long you've been talking and hanging out says very little about his seriousness. I've flirted back and forth with many dudes who didn't lose interest in talking to me/trying to escalate for several months while getting no action (from me), but probably thinking they'd eventually close the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:04 AM
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Right, it's contextual. Kind of like how RPers say women get way more validation from a single alpha than hordes of betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:20 PM
2

Yes, I'd have to assume so. Maybe oxytocin?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 11:15 PM
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As I understand it, it's only meaningful conditionally - when it's with a woman he has promoted to long-term girlfriend/wife status. The relationship determines the level of meaning, not the act itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:20 PM
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It would be pretty difficult to underestimate the male libido as a woman, assuming you are not: 1) obese 2) elderly 3) utterly busted 4) a complete shut-in Even in those cases, there would probably be some (pretty grim) takers, but not nearly as many.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:46 PM
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No one who's read a significant amount of TRP would ask this question. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 06:41 PM
0

?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 06:29 AM
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I was talking to my friend about this and it does seem men are very black and white. To them "being nice" literally means turning himself into supplicating diffident mouse? So I guess if you want him to be balanced you have to tell him to be an asshole, and then he'll level out to somewhere in the middle? This is really insightful IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 05:55 PM
1

Not buying it. Who knows what it is exactly, or why we want it. We just want it, and we want it badly. The desire for romantic love is a virtually universal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 08:03 AM
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Is this trolling? This will never happen. Outside of exceptional cases, men and women generally want and have the capacity to appreciate each other. We are complementary. Most people go through phases of frustration with the opposite sex, but this is an overreaction. Much like the vast majority of the TRP subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 03:07 AM
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How is it any more of a dick move than turning her down? Actually, from that standpoint, I think it is probably worse to be lacklustre and unenthuasiastic, than just say "thanks, I'm flattered, but no thanks" or preferably make up an excuse like you have a girlfriend or whatever. But that's just me. I'd never really expect most guys to turn down NSA sex with a passable woman, so I get where you're coming from, haha. Maybe she just enjoys the fact that she got her "hottie" into bed and my perform…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 06:32 PM
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I get what you're saying and I doubt your attitude is that uncommon. It's just kind of a dick move, that's all. :) I mean, women frequently feel pressure to "fake it" to smooth over men's egos, whereas the reverse? Apparently not, in many cases. I dunno...I'm not into casual sex, so I'm mostly just speculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 05:33 PM
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Right, I see it as a decent first-order filter for my taste in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:18 AM
2

How so? Being really obese is a legit health problem, much like being really thin in some cases. I don't understand the hysteria on either side. The goal should be a reasonably healthy balanced diet, enough sleep, and some moderate exercise for everyone. Beyond that, I avoid commenting on peoples' diets or body size, unless it's, say, something egregious enough to be on "My 600 Pound Life" or an anorexia documentary.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:13 AM
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Reluctant betas are in an bad position, since it apparently goes against their nature to approach women effectively, but the ball is pretty much solely in their court. Women are rarely inclined to go out on a limb and initiate period, but especially unlikely to do so for a milquetoast type or a generally less attractive guy. I ran into this semi-frequently, where a rather milquetoast bloke would express interest in some feeble way but couldn't really get it up to actually approach and be direct.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 11:27 PM
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Pretty inexperienced here....can confirm, we know. It's bizarre to think otherwise, IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 04:38 PM
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False. Particularly when I was a bit younger, I felt really bad about rejecting dudes I wasn't attracted to, especially when I could tell they were already emotionally invested and took it hard. I was almost guilted into pity sex many times - guys seem to like pulling that card on me. Now that I realise how self-indulgent and pathetic most of those guys were (thanks in no small part to the pill-sphere), I don't care. But back in the day I cared about their feelings because I was sensitive and em…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 04:30 PM
1

Because the percentage of men we find attractive based solely on physical characteristics is so small. Unlike men, we often have to expand our tastes to the non-tangible and non-visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 04:30 PM
3

Then don't have kids, either. That's the most expensive part.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 05:03 AM
1

If you want something to happen, you need to take action to make it happen. I get your point, but when it comes to trying to influence another person's behaviour or change the dynamic of a relationship, it can get complicated. In my experience, talking about things in this context is more likely to make things worse than make them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 08:21 AM
2

Not really. I actually tend to find certain betas more frightening.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 08:20 AM
1

For me it totally depends on how blatant it is. If it's just looking/chatting me up/hitting on me in a way that isn't offensive or disturbing, I'll just try to deflect the attention and let them down lightly. But if it gets physical or stalkerish I'm usually prepared to go thermonuclear. It's all about adjusting to the degree of the situation and maintaining your boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 08:08 AM
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I think some men are tired of having to perform, in every sense of the word. They think it would be easier to be a woman since they'd have less of a burden of achievement and fewer responsibilities, and could take on a more ornamental role in life and relationships. That said, I don't think they've thought it through, especially in 2016. I think life can be quite strenuous for women now in every sense, especially with the economy the way it is and the level of expectations for women of certain b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 11:58 PM
3

I dunno, I think cosplay experiments and the experiences of transgender people are probably inaccurate representations of what life is like a cisgender person of the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/16 03:29 AM
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This is probably very dependent on class. I mean, when I was 18 I didn't know which end was up in a lot of ways. Completely naive, delusional, and oblivious. Some people never had that luxury. Legal majority, yes. But whether actual maturity has been reached has a hell of a lot to do with environment and expectations...when the training wheels were taken off, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 07:46 AM
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Yeah, it varies. That's why I said selectivity is paramount. Just being indifferent to everything and everyone is a really very empty place to be, much like the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:17 PM
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I think the indifference would be really useful, so long as it wasn't indiscriminate. A lot of people waste a lot of energy on emotions surrounding interpersonal issues that are insignificant in the long run. Being able to selectively detach yourself from dramatics/emotional bullshit would be convenient. Unfortunately for psychopaths (and those around them) it doesn't usually end up being selective detachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 09:06 PM
1

Negging is manipulative; confidence isn't. The point of negging is to injure the target's confidence to disarm them or arouse their competitiveness so you can make inroads toward your goal (in this case, getting laid).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:42 PM
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You have to accept that you're going to encounter a number of people who might judge you for that fact, then take it in stride, because there's no further reason you should care what they think. Not that you should ignore recurring themes generally speaking, but this one's out of your control, so the most constructive approach is just removing excessive emotion surrounding rejection or loneliness from the equation and move on. Never hand over control of your own life by fearing the judgment of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 08:24 PM
1

Absolute power corrupts absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/16 05:14 PM
1

In this case I'd lean more toward "manipulation," but now we're just talking semantics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 07:23 AM
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Really? That's where I think the concept fails. Negging is doing quite the opposite of treating her "just like anyone else," unless you actually are an insulting jackass automatically to everyone of course. It's intentionally tailoring your behaviour to a specific type of interaction with a desired outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 03:03 AM
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Yeah I think it's partly as you said, an etiquette problem stemming from low-effort parenting and the dumbphone era. Not to completely generalise...I encounter plenty of mostly polite/respectful/sane people too. Just a hell of a lot more unpleasantness and deranged behaviour than is necessary. I get many folks dislike small talk and social "norms" but still...suck it up to some extent and grease the skids of civilisation
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/16 02:56 AM
2

Totally. People have so many misconceptions about STEM, like getting a degree in science or engineering is going to be the ticket to the good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 09:19 PM
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I haven't run into this on dates all that much (probably since I don't date a ton in the first place), but IME with the public in general it seems like an epidemic. I run into a fair number of people on daily basis who have more in common with zombies or automatons than human beings. I get that some people are more reticent or whatever, which is fine, but it seems like even any expectation of basic manners/sociability/niceties between strangers is frequently misplaced. I think it's an etiquette …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 08:57 PM
1

Yeah that's fairly accurate. You just get me. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 08:50 PM
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I suppose something like a bizarre mashup of female intuition, How I Met Your Mother, and the "stable marriage problem"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 11:53 PM
3

alpha male of the group
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 09:10 PM
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Yeah, I'm not seeing the AF/BB in this case at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 08:07 PM
1

haha, nice, good for you. :) I think I sort of like being the "prize" to some degree. Though admittedly, none of my relationships have worked out long-term thus far. I don't think it's for this reason, but I might be wrong. It's possible that I haven't been sufficiently attracted/invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 07:40 PM
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Call me a liar, this is my preferred dynamic. I pay a lot of attention to a guy's personality, energy, humour and drive. Looks by themselves don't cut it for me. He can't be a total ogre of course, but I'm usually bored by prettyboy types or even a lot of gymbros. Superficial dudes usually remind me of women, primping themselves and preferring to be pursued, which turns me off. There's the obviously some degree of power differential in the arrangement that I find enjoyable, but I don't have that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 09:25 PM
1

Currently it's that I don't leave my lair with sufficient frequency or go to the right places when I do. When I do get out there in the right environment around friendly people who I can flirt with and entertain with my antics, especially if there's refreshments nearby, I have minimal problems meeting a guy I'm interested in. I just haven't been in the right mood lately as life has been hitting me hard. Working on that. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/16 05:04 PM
1

Whatever's clever...if that's what you seek, go for it. Far be it from me to tell anyone how to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 07:59 AM
2

I totally believe it. It's rough out there and I can see a lot of people are really being pushed to their limits with stress and/or uncertainty, and that clearly impacts relationships. Some are gravitating toward the more impulsive live-fast approach while others are snapping notably back into the more risk-averse neo-traditionalist lifestyle which is also interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 05:42 AM
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I'd say the vast majority of people experience at least one of those things at some point-- how is responding to that by becoming jaded/bitter/transactional going to improve anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 05:39 AM
2

Seriously. It's knives out for decent work these days. The options are massively overworked or drastically underpaid, take your pick
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 11:49 PM
2

I agree that it's underdeveloped, but I think that's probably necessary to any personality typing system. It's supposed to separate and categorise people based on generalised patterns. Whether or not you agree with the basis of the typology is a different animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 07:48 PM
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One thing's for sure, people who go into it with this kind of opportunistic, transactional mentality are never going to find the kind of love they claim doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 07:46 PM
2

Yeah, my mother is an ISFJ as well. She's traditional and feminine and nurturing in some ways, and been married for decades. But the drama and emotive stuff is nonstop. "Lack of emotional boundaries" is a good way of putting it. She's one of the people that makes me wink and nod at AWALT a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:16 PM
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Generally, I view being preoccupied with ethics and human rights a rather luxurious state of affairs. Not that they aren't important or beneficial or worthy of consideration, just that people often forget the critical baseline conditions necessary to enable them to refine and expand them further and further. Essentially I'm saying they are fragile, and the environments necessary to uphold them are fragile.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:27 AM
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That's my experience. It just randomly dawned on me one day that I'd been depressed for much of my life. The strange thing is, it doesn't really bother me as I've grown quite accustomed to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 03:13 AM
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If you pay into the system your entire working life you of course deserve to be compensated in kind in your senior years. The problem is the impact of people who take out far more than they put in. People who contributed more do generally receive more, although that belt is also tightening because of inevitable forces. Demographic shifts, rising healthcare costs and COL, smaller pool of taxpayers contributing...the writing's on the wall. Look at any decent writeup on SS and particularly Medicare…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 02:12 AM
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Exactly. So in this case, the law reflects your values. It doesn't reflect mine. Which is fine, there are plenty of laws and social programs that I think are ill-founded but accept anyway. Doesn't mean I can't criticise them for being ineffective, self-defeating or arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/16 12:03 AM
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everyone rushes to console the woman who got approached by a random guy that she wasn't romantically interested in That seems hyperbolic. In real life, nobody gives a fuck if I am made uncomfortable by pretty much anything. That sounds like the stuff of internet echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 11:26 PM
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Right, that's your value system. It is not necessarily mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 11:24 PM
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How is incentivising women who have children without the consent/provision of the fathers to find a way to take care of the kid themselves, or otherwise use BC or abort in the first place, sociopathic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 10:48 PM
2

Yeah everybody plays hot potato with entitlements since they know alienating old people is political kryptonite
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 10:28 PM
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it would be nice if women learned some fucking social grace and discernment instead of making every interaction about how sexually desirable they are There's a lot of mixed messages surrounding this, as there is for guys too (not ignoring that, just addressing this). If you don't assume he's interested in you romantically/sexually you're accused of friendzoning or frigidity, as guys are often offended that you aren't actively considering them as a sexual option when they express some sort of int…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 09:48 PM
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"Yuck, get away from me!" I've never done that, unless a guy is legit harassing me, in which case his SMV is irrelevant. It takes a lot for me to blow my top and tell a guy to fuck off. Anyway, my self-esteem is not so fragile that the occasional unattractive dude hitting on me is a massive blow to my self-image.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/16 08:30 PM
1

Yeah, not convinced there is a decent BP answer to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 09:34 AM
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Fair enough. I'd say the actual article was making more of a philosophical statement. IMO the TRP contingent that takes it literally and runs with it is fringe and unnecessarily extreme, thus why their opinions are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 02:23 AM
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Well, that is a retarded notion perpetuated by a few keyboard warriors on the internet who have no major influence in society... so who cares what they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/16 10:22 PM
1

Envy is intriguing. One of the more honest but frequently dismissed emotions. Personally I pay attention to envy in my own life, it sometimes keeps me in touch with what I truly want. And when I pay attention to and am honest with myself about things that I want, the only barrier remaining is self-defeatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:55 PM
1

Is that something you want to change?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:33 PM
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I think the only reason to be promiscuous is if you really want to have casual sex with a bunch of random people. Other reasons are usually just misdirection or obfuscation of one's real issues. Promiscuous sex doesn't "solve" anything. If it's not what you really want, it'll likely create more pain and confusion and stresses. made me feel deeply uncomfortable Why does it make you feel that way? Vulnerability? Guilt? Body image issues? Fear of risky/intense/out-of-control passion? That's probabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 10:29 PM
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No, it's not unlikely at all. Many hot guys want to raise kids eventually, or at least lock something higher quality down for awhile (or until they get bored and move onto something else, a la Coolidge Effect haha). Hot guys clearly "commit" (and I use the term loosely) to hot chicks sometimes. But it's usually nominal, since they are rarely monogamous, and due to that the relationships are inherently volatile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 06:24 PM
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Right, that I would potentially agree with. I'm not saying they don't have an easier time getting commitment comparatively, just that they are seeking it from the most volatile demographic least likely to give it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 05:23 PM
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Female 9s have high standards and are easily able to secure commitment. From their counterparts? Not so sure. Even supermodels get cheated on and dumped, dude. Frequently. Locking down studs is no easy task even for the finest female specimens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 12:20 AM
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The second requires the first, but it's possible to have gobs of the first and none of the second. The relationship desirability part seems more nebulous for women. For men, while the bar is perhaps higher, the standards are more clear (RP basically says this all the time using different terminology). For women, the ideal look and personality is relatively vague and the preference definitely varies somewhat from man to man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 08:52 PM
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Good response, upvoted. In a rare stroke of humility, I'll admit you've outclassed me here and were more perceptive. I do, ahem, tend to take stuff at face-value and make snap judgments too often, especially online.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 08:38 PM
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Right, I can see that that's what you took from it, taking that at face value. What I'm basically saying though is that the outcome just doesn't seem to stack up. She put herself out there and was getting guys to, without fail, pick up the tab for dinners for an entire month, with some expressing intent for further interaction. How is that representative of a confusing dating environment? In her case it sounds pretty straightforward - actions speak louder than words, and she's apparently getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 07:33 PM
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I've experienced both 2 and 3, more and less, and didn't consider either worthy of pursuing assault charges. That said you're probably opening yourself up to the risk depending on context. The first is definitely none of the above. Get on a busy subway and see how much people care about your "personal space."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 05:14 PM
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I agree with your general sentiment but I'm not really sure how Cathy's blog reflects confusion. She seems to know exactly who she is and what she wants, and is successfully getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 05:03 PM
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Some women who are over 30 claim that dating become's easier for them because they can find men who actually desire them more easily. Just curious, what do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 01:04 AM
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I could technically identify as graysexual, but since that means I occasionally feel sexual attraction that renders the entire concept pretty void from my point of view. Edit: I also might add that RP men here seem to think that women in general are basically all "graysexual."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 09:02 PM
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I'm of the opinion that no one is really intrinsically attracted to intelligence, women included. That said, it's possible that some men value it more in a partner than they have in the past, or that in an ideal world they would rather have an intelligent partner than the alternative. As it stands, I doubt it has significant impact on mating decisions though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 04:13 AM
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I usually just say "I'm not looking." And in my mind, I mean, "not looking...for you." But I don't say that part. Usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 03:50 AM
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So do you think subs like /r/niceguys and /r/justneckbeardthings should be shut down, or /r/coontown and /r/fatpeoplehate reinstated?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 10:29 PM
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Usually the label is applied to someone simply for being socially marginalized, saying something which doesn't fit with a feminist agenda, or getting angry at a woman who was being a bitch to him. To the extent that that's true (I think the whole gender wars arena is massively overblown b/w the artifical social environments of colleges and places like Reddit and gender wars sites like Jezebel and RoK), then it's probably a lot broader than the NiceGuy concept and subreddit. There are more system…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:43 PM
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That, and Hillary is an evil robotic criminal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 09:08 PM
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I was somewhat joking in my response to ARS, I don't really think there's a critical limit to anything in this context. People can bitch and moan about all kinds of stuff for all I care. Doesn't mean I can't criticise it or deem it unproductive in return, when it enters my purview. As for your opinions on /r/niceguys, I frankly dunno, I'm not active on the NiceGuys sub, I think I have like a couple posts there. I commented on one recently where an Uber driver launched into a bizarre un-called-fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 08:51 PM
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You have a very unique sense of humour
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 02:59 AM
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I think you're right in that it is often an attempt to assert dominance/masculinity (whether or not that is a male social requirement seems disputable). It's just that it can frequently fail when 1) the woman actually knows just as much or more about the topic than the mansplainer or 2) the condescension goes too far to continue a pleasant interaction. I've definitely experienced it from time to time. I usually just smile or laugh it off, though, which doesn't seem like the desired reaction. Not…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 02:30 AM
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Apparently not, that's what TRP is for
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 05:10 PM
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Stability and well roundedness don't make extreme breakthroughs. Yet are entirely necessary for viable business models.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 03:07 AM
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Nice guy shaming has reached a critical limit. I'd say NiceGuy behaviour has reached a critical limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 02:54 AM
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pwned!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 08:34 PM
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No, in that case I'd rather just be single. I don't need the emotional support or whatever the main relationship would supposedly be offering. Financial support could be a different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 02:48 AM
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Cumberbatch is...distinctive. I believe this comparison has been made. Hell though, I'd date him just for the Richard Burton-esque voice!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/16 01:19 AM
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The video was lame, and body positivity is a joke (for both genders I might add). It's just setting people up to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 10:41 PM
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and even here you fucked up because "the next opportunity" never comes for most men. Agreed on that point--most men don't have the opportunity to consistently trade up. Though sometimes they trade sideways.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 10:28 PM
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Annoying. So elitist and pretentious as well as patently absurd (yea right I'm sure you'd be interested in a fat uggo who happens to be smart)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 10:18 PM
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It's a joke. I'd get the cheating bastard's hopes up for a 3 way while I grab my stuff and walk out the door
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 06:20 PM
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"Why wasn't I invited?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 06:45 AM
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Because being a loser is rather all-consuming.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 05:01 AM
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When hell freezes over, bb
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/16 04:00 AM
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I've been shipping you two from the start
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 09:06 PM
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That's pretty much the only kind that vaguely interests me
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 09:06 PM
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Money has instrumental value, not intrinsic value. People work to make their lives better, which often requires money, but money is not the end goal. I don't really disagree with that, though I think some people are more intrinsically motivated than others. If a lack of reasonably attainable romantic partners means there's a sharp check on how much you can make your life better, men are going to drop out. Right, well, that's totally within people's individual purview. Generally speaking, a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 08:54 PM
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Society prospers the most when women are slaves and/or property. Because society was built on the backs of "betas". Society prospers when there's a bunch of worthwhile stuff to do and people are paid reasonable wages to do it (aka, the middle class). That time has long since passed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 05:52 PM
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In those scenarios I think I might voice my opinion but try to avoid taking it into the nagging realm because that is self-sabotaging and pointless. If the book argues against even that, it probably wouldn't work for me. Again, I'm flying blind here since I haven't actually read the book haha
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 04:10 AM
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Well, I suppose I tend to agree with the basic sentiment that you should take a man's behaviour at face value and avoid viewing guys as projects or particularly malleable. And focus on your own self-improvement and individual happiness. Beyond that, I can't say since I haven't bought the book. The stark binary aspect of "accept it or leave" doesn't really bother me, but I'm a rather "this either works or it doesn't" kind of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 03:03 AM
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I agree that it seems short-sighted from the standpoint of being a well-rounded, multi-faceted person. But since that's not everyone's goal, that might not be the universal version of FTO.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:18 AM
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Agreed. Hopefully more people will see the light that the majority of the jobs out there are busywork BS now and we'd be better off with a different system. Not holding my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:10 AM
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That's a good one, I'm stealing that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:05 AM
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Oh interesting, I've noticed a lot of self-described INTJs congregate on here. Might be some correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 09:13 PM
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cognitive dissonance case study right there
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:55 PM
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My goal wasn't to force someone who enjoys their level of social interaction to be more or less social. That warmed my heart. :D Uncommon attitude IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:42 PM
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I don't blame anyone for my lack of "social success." :D I blame my lack of giving a fuck, if anything. It hasn't been my goal to be socially successful for a very long time now - including when I was in college or anywhere else since for that matter. Protip - ironically and entirely unintentionally though, I found that attitude drew people to me in college whereas it had repelled people before, haha. Overall, I'm glad that the desire for popularity and acceptance was squelched for me at a very …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/16 06:18 PM
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these are all things i think the gov. shouldnt be doing in the 1st place but they DO, so you cant avoid the monopoly on marriage. That's how a feel about a lot of things. I begrudgingly accept gov. overreaches, vast crony capitalist corruption and the general post-industrialist sh!thole this country is devolving into, and try to pragmatically make the best of it on an individual level. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 09:14 PM
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My go-to response for questions like that is "Apparently"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 09:12 PM
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marriage IS government do you support that status quo or do you think marriage shouldn't be administered by the government and instead be a private contract system?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 06:08 PM
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In the case of women, do you mean been turned down for sex or relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:53 AM
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Ehh, I wouldn't be so sure. Plenty of women aren't aware of this and are still under the impression that men are interested in them as people. Best disabuse her of that notion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:51 AM
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Haha wow, what an interesting selection. I remember stumbling on that movie on TCM late at night when I was about 16 and thinking it was one of the strangest things I'd ever seen...it has since been eclipsed. Makes me wonder, what's your first favourite?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/16 07:39 AM
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Dealing with STIs, unwanted pregnancies, violence, a potential myriad of other medical/mental/legal/professional problems stemming from "feral whore" behaviour might be enough to make some people think twice about at least some of it, even from an entirely self-preservation standpoint. Suffice to say, it varies from person to person--but not all incentives for responsible behaviour are necessarily externally-imposed and draconian.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:12 AM
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I have lost a huge pile of guys with daddy fetishes who wanted me for casual sex or some kind of daughter wife Totally know what you mean. I'm in my early 20s so I still get some of this, but thankfully a little bit less of the weird Lolita phase stuff as of late in comparison to before. I can only look forward to that trend continuing!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 08:59 AM
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Good point on male pattern balding, etc. I'd say men can sometimes ease into a slightly more weathered overall look than women can, but they have to deal with stuff like hair loss and loss of muscle mass which sets quite a few of them back more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 08:45 AM
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You know it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:11 AM
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Men are the true romantics all right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 08:21 PM
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how important is maintaining individual privacy in a relationship? It's too important to me. In fact, this is one of my biggest issues as far as relationships are concerned. I need a lot of space. What sort of questions or actions by you/your partner would constitute crossing a line or even a dealbreaker? Anything I deem to be too invasive into my past, since I find most of it either unpleasant or irrelevant. Also checking up on me too much, following me places, etc. Some examples might be going…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 08:12 PM
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You have a way with words
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 03:04 AM
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/r/eyebleach
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:56 AM
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For me, it would depend on the context and tone. Some people can manage to segue these kind of anecdotes into interesting or amusing conversations. But if it's just one sided woe-is-me droning for an hour, I'm gonna get irritated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:04 AM
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Maybe? I doubt either is particularly 'mature,' haha. I don't really see how lashing out at someone who rejects you will be interpreted as mature, unless they were particularly cruel about it and you were standing up for yourself or something. When it comes to friendships, I've noticed that some people love to vent mutually and others prefer to keep everything pretty upbeat or nonchalant...it probably depends on the closeness and dynamic of the relationship whether or not the venting comes off a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:01 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I think the same standard applies to women here. That said...I think it's important to de-pedestalise people preferably from the start, not just after a rejection... but better late than never I guess. It's fine to reconsider if they are worthy of the level of infatuation you had developed for them. That's an important part of moving on, IMO. And some people do that by themselves or thru venting a bit with their friends. I think that's ok. What I think is wack is lashing out …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 07:36 PM
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Good description of the NiceGuy concept. The abrupt transformation from dream girl to hideous witch/demonic thunderc*nt is key, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 07:15 PM
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Maybe that market's getting saturated. She's branching out!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 10:00 PM
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Haha, well, to be fair there aren't very many smokin' hot brain trusts out there
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 07:52 PM
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Generic, vapid, and true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 08:20 AM
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Really? When it's an elective decision, IME a lot of those people seem to be enjoying their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 07:42 AM
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I'm going to start using that as a term of endearment
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:11 AM
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diabolical ice queens Omg can this be my new flair plz
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:09 AM
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<3
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 11:51 AM
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Ok, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:41 PM
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Interesting take. The female version of this would be serial monogamy, since women prefer one partner at a time. A caveat to this though. If we're talking ideally, akin to male polygyny, I'd think from the RP perspective (/u/Atlas_b_shruggin plz correct me if I'm wrong, lol) a woman wants one hypergamically optimised man for a lifetime. Not serial monogamy. Additionally, I don't think male mate preferences are limited to youth (e.g. there are plenty of ugly young women), which IMO makes the term…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:22 PM
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While men are typically attracted to youth/fertility as a characteristic, the male cognate to hypergamy in RP is polygyny (seeking relations with multiple women). So youth/fertility would be an attractive characteristic considered in actualising the male imperative of polygyny, but it isn't the strategy in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 08:01 PM
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I dunno, I beg to differ on the university/workplace front. That's the one major arena where I find dealing with male approaches very grating and always borderline inappropriate. I was constantly hit on by TAs in college and it was very irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 04:48 AM
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I pretty much agree with the premise of this post... One caveat though - I think pretty much everyone is a 'dented can' to some degree. And (as you said) the 'dent' may have to be very extreme in order to get any significant SMV upgrade, likely so extreme that it may actually cause the relationship to inevitably implode.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 12:36 AM
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Women with BPD, depression and deep insecurities will still have men throwing themselves at them, provided they're hot. Can confirm
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 12:29 AM
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How in your opinion should women react to men who are unattractive to them, in this context, other than outright dismissal? It seems as if you can't win. If you're nice and friendly, you're leading them on, and if you're curt and straightforward, you're a cold hearted inhumane bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 09:42 PM
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Objectify men more in the media? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 09:37 PM
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Would you rather be the sex that has to work its ass off for the slightest bit of respect, and even then there are no guarantees? Or would you rather be among the nobility class of mediocre fuckups who doesn't have to do or amount to anything and gets an automatic A-plus just for showing up? I'll take my nobility class status, mediocre fuck-uppery and automatic A please
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:24 PM
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I agree; I think a lot of people are just projecting their insecurities and self-loathing (and usually in tandem, their own unrealistically high standards for other people) onto some imaginary "Impossible Societal Beauty Standards" boogeyman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 07:13 PM
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Burnnn That said if anything it's really RMV though. My superficial SMV's realistically pretty high but I can admit that my personality leaves a lot to be desired and I'm rather crazy. So I'm sure that has impacted my subpar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:06 PM
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I identify somewhat with that article. I don't ID as incel because I agree that it would be crazy given the number of sheer opportunities I've had to have sex, but if that's not all you're looking for and you need a certain admittedly rather complex contextual backdrop in order to have sex, it's very easy to find yourself emotionally and sexually stranded in this environment. So there's clearly something different about the 'new order' that apparently leaves quite a few women like me scratching …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 07:18 PM
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Beggars can't be choosers
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 12:04 AM
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Disagree but your username is supreme
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 01:50 AM
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So much for Team Man
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:30 AM
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Haha, au contraire...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:23 AM
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To TRP 'alpha' is whatever they are, aspire to be, or otherwise think is neat. Programmer? Alpha. Sales guy? Alpha. Lawyer? Alpha. PhD Candidate? Alpha. Cashier? Alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 12:10 AM
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It would certainly change incentives. I'm rather against no-fault divorce from a broader perspective. I don't think it's a particularly good development. I think it's encouraged a lot of people to get married who shouldn't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 09:03 PM
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lol wtf srsly
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 08:59 PM
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Well, one of the main critiques of EP surrounds its reductionist and deterministic philosophy. That said, I think there's a lot of evidence looking at human behaviour to suggest many (not all) of the observations are legitimate. A lot of people think thanks to our highly evolved brains we are above instinct. I'm less convinced of this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 03:10 AM
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I've never known a girl to look for or attempt to date a guy significantly more attractive than herself. I've seen that occasionally but it is by far the exception. Whereas men going for pretty women regardless of their appearances is par for the course. In fact most men I've talked to about this believe that a more attractive woman should be the expected exchange for their commitment. I think this is a big disconnect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 06:03 PM
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If people are being that vicious about it, I'm inclined to say it's self-loathing. Their hate for themselves is manifesting in expressing hatred for other unattractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 05:53 PM
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I am honestly mystified as to how you have come to this conclusion. It in no way reflects my experiences discussing these matters with friends and family IRL. It's possible that I'm surrounded by unusually realistic and pragmatic people, but I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 04:34 AM
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FTR I completely agree with you on Ben and Jerry's :D Completely overrated. Awaiting downvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 04:00 AM
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The world's your oyster
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 10:25 PM
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You mean like the really big scoop necks? If so yeah, those are weird. That's interesting on the wide face thing. I'm not sure I quite envision what you mean, but you may have a point there. I'm glad we can concur that DiCaprio is repugnant. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:19 PM
2

Heartbroken ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 09:13 PM
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On the face of it, it seems ludicrous. I tend to think that in this day and age of women's liberation, arguing entitlement to the husband's money particularly in the form of alimony is getting harder and harder to defend on an equality level. At the same time, who's to say that she didn't 'contribute' to him building his fortune in ways other than caring for the children and house. I'm sure they find many ways to argue that more abstract contributions were made in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 06:40 PM
1

Haha, agree with most of these but I adore blond guys
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 08:04 AM
1

It's something I notice, but it's usually not make or break proposition unless it's toward the extreme ends of the spectrum. I've been attracted to men of all heights but- AWALT- I prefer men who are average to slightly on the taller side. Part of it's just exposure since most of my relatives are tall so I'm very accustomed to tall men and I automatically associate it with masculinity in that sense. Even with all that said, I'd date a short guy. I've increasingly quit caring about a lot of super…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 07:50 AM
2

Wow 3/4 you'd loathe me :)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 07:27 AM
0

Totally, the x-factor is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:14 AM
1

Aw, it actually isn't. :( I'm sorry you're in a similar position. Btw I've appreciated some of your more psychological posts. Good stuff. This all is reminding me to see my psychiatrist, haha
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:10 AM
2

Definitely good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 03:00 AM
1

Really wide/chubby faces on men. I rarely find it attractive. A lot of skin moles. Here and there it's fine, but for some reason dudes with a ton of moles kind of weird me out. Extreme shortness. I actually like several different body types on men but when a guy is extremely skinny with no muscle mass, unless he makes up for it with height, I have a tough time being attracted. Same thing with extreme obesity. I've actually found some bald men attractive but they have to own it (and usually rock …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:16 AM
1

Odd, I love dudes in v-necks. Also waistcoats, I need more of these in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 02:03 AM
1

They're not exact equivalents, but they are cognates of each other given neither demographic gets what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 04:48 PM
1

When you're low-value, all your options are going to be suboptimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 04:18 PM
3

Yeah uh I'm rather confused by the 2nd suggestion too (sexually) haha Also missed the boat on the 1st one apparently
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 07:09 AM
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I mean, who isn't stressed out and in conflict with their 'inner selves' to some degree...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 06:52 AM
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Well, I'm screwed then. But I agree, as with so many things - it's all in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 06:35 AM
1

Fair point....that said, I'm not clear how that fact would morally justify the intentional decision to proxy maim/kill a stranger for personal gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 06:49 AM
2

Thank god, a voice of reason. Maybe this sub isn't 100% psychopathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 11:57 PM
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devolved to the point where girls get genuinely scared of receiving a call from an unsaved number Deranged. People are too jumpy. We must be culturally encouraging this paranoia these days with 24/7 media and the constant dodgy fear mongering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 02:19 AM
2

What makes a man omega vs. beta to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:59 PM
1

Well, maybe not in terms of quality, but at least it's all available on the internet at no to minimal cost. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 02:42 AM
4

a trip half way around the world would probably help Or just, you know, getting an actual job. :)
/r/RedPillWives14/04/16 12:13 AM
1

Matter of opinion... Really though? From the male perspective? I don't see it. I'd think it would go more like: Harem > Main squeeze w/ stuff on the side > Plate spinning > LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:07 AM
1

I could probably plow through half of my social circle. Then why on earth don't you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 04:11 AM
1

But dreaming is (except maybe lucid dreaming, controversially) involuntary....Atlas is saying she can't volitionally imagine or create anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 02:52 AM
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A lot of people (of all pill affiliations) around here who have spent some time poking around the TRP sub have come to the conclusion that many of the regulars there have some issues that are probably not well served by spending countless hours on reddit. I say that not to mock, but to make sense of the constant stream of outrage and uproar that is endemic to the sub. They can run their forum however they want, but there's not much denying that the majority of posts are ridden with confirmation …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 03:29 AM
1

It's his accent
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/16 04:03 AM
1

Agreed, but as I said somewhere else that seems to be the only transaction they're after (marriage/commitment for a looks upgrade). Often a recipe for disaster, but nobody wants to think about that when they're in lust
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 05:04 PM
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a retarded word ableist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:32 AM
3

Hmm, this must be an ultra-alpha mentality. Most men I see seem go for the hottest they can possibly get, haha
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/16 03:23 AM
1

While I've seen occasional couples like that, I tend to see the opposite far more frequently. IME guys usually superficially upgrade considerably in LTRs. Otherwise, what's the point from the male perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 09:43 PM
1

Visionary stuff right there
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 02:22 AM
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Ha, yeah, and if it got to that point the economy would probably tank too. People wouldn't have any motivation left to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 02:06 AM
1

Lol well in your manly opinion, does it add to n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:51 AM
2

Right, so your post was basically advocating pragmatism?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:39 AM
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The majority of men are currently paying exorbitant alimony/child support to their frivorced wives? That's news to me. That said, the economy at large is so government-entrenched at this point it's tough to say which gender is receiving more in the way of indirect redistribution (b/w propped-up industries and public institutions, etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/16 01:25 AM
1

No, it was really more of a kinky fairy tale love story. In real life that would've been the far more likely outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 11:30 PM
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Well, that speaks volumes if the majority of men aren't compelling enough to compete with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 11:27 PM
2

I agree with u/DemonConsulting - there's no reason that women's preferences couldn't be simulated and catered to as well. That said the whole thing is completely fucked up. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 08:00 PM
1

it's quite probable that a lot of guys would give up on real women If that's the case, what makes you so sure that a lot of women wouldn't also give up on real guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 06:40 PM
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Surprisingly, it wasn't all that dramatic. It actually suited my somewhat introverted bookish ways. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 08:14 AM
2

I hear ya. Hopefully you can find someone more....stable cxj, such an enigma
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 07:52 AM
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Interesting perspective. I can appreciate your assessment in the sense that I think there's a lot more to life than refining the superficial. That said, with regard to how society currently functions, it's still important for most people. When it comes to the economics, it's pretty tough to say whether the high emphasis on beauty refinement is solely the fault of a perverse industry exploiting insecurities. Perhaps it is, but I think the insecurities likely have a different, more organic, source…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 02:10 AM
1

So we were weeping over the same math textbooks? lol Indeed I was. You too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 01:54 AM
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haha, what a blast from the past. Nope, I think it was mostly Saxon and ACE for yours truly. Good times? :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 12:55 AM
1

Two words: home schooled. Says it all, right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/16 12:35 AM
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Are we? Don't take me wrong, I invest in my health and appearance fairly heavily. But at the end of the day, I do it for myself. Nobody's twisting my arm; I could spend much of that time doing other things if I wanted to. I don't really resent external standards of conventional beauty since I actually want to look good and feel good in my own skin. One can of course make the argument that my perception of beauty is distorted by some external measures, but what of it? Isn't that true of everythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:58 PM
2

we'd make a great couple and that is frankly terrifying to me, because it is probably an accurate assessment of my real life LTR options. lol what's wrong with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:12 PM
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Nope. But that's mostly because I don't have any male friends. Always gets weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 10:11 PM
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Interesting. I'm glad to hear that. :D I'll definitely be lurking around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 06:13 AM
1

Agreed, I've always thought it would be interesting if roles were reversed and men were 'supposed' to be the comparatively ornamental sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 12:55 AM
1

Really? You'd willingly sign up to be the breadwinner for a layabout hot dude? Even I wouldn't go that far personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 12:55 AM
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Not always. There's a sweet spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 10:24 PM
2

Shudder, why are you doing this to me Back to sleeping with both eyes open
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 10:21 PM
2

Marv's the man for taking out that Kevin freak. Nightmare fuel right there
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 09:15 PM
1

Wow, nice view and thanks for the info. Sounds like a really cool experience. Happy travels to you!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 09:04 PM
2

So I take it you're not a fan of the High School Musical series
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/16 03:02 AM
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Indeed. How did you like your time in China btw? I've heard some stuff from friends about the pollution situation in the major cities there that makes me think twice. But it does sound interesting. nothing wrong about wanting to maximize what you've got at home instead of traveling around if you don't like it that much Yeah, I spent a lot of my childhood schlepping all over the continent, so I guess tons of recreational travel just doesn't hold the same appeal for me than most people. :) Maybe l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:49 PM
1

Lol so I take it that's not your dream girl. You like practical, down-to-earth women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:41 PM
1

MPDG?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 10:51 PM
1

Probably not, I'd only consider it under very specific circumstances. I don't really see the point of a sexless LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 09:59 PM
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Your shtick about women marrying men they're not attracted to never gets stale. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:59 PM
1

Oh ok, point taken
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 05:05 PM
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You can have all the sex you want and not be a slut. say what now
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 03:20 AM
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I know some women (and men) who've traveled for pretty hedonistic reasons, so I kind of get where they're coming from. But, as you said, there are a lot of people who are interested in travel for other more cultural/historical/linguistic reasons too. So given that, it's probably just not a great proxy for determining promiscuity. Beyond that though, I think it may just show a certain independence and adventurousness that generally repels RPers. As a sidebar, it's funny to me, since personally I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 03:16 AM
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get married and have kids That too. Since if you're a bi guy, it's much more straightforward to have kids with a woman than another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 05:23 PM
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I dunno. Maybe they're through with the carouselling and want to move onto a meaningful relationship, haha. Or maybe they want to be nonmonogamous w/ a 'primary relationship,' much like a lot of straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 05:14 PM
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Yeah, maybe not "many" but they're out there. IME there are a lot of bi men who seem to prefer women especially for LTRs. Heteroflexible, if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 05:07 PM
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Are there that many gay and bi men settling into hetero relationships with women? I don't think so. You'd be amazed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:59 PM
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Tubal litigation Those litigious Fallopian tubes
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 02:05 AM
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AWALT: I'm a flight risk, I'm quite calculating, and I have narcissistic tendencies. Personality, status, intelligence and wealth all factor considerably into my radar. And, I'm a bit heightist. I'm about 5'6 and I prefer men who are around 5'10-6'2. Though I'd totally make an exception for an exceptional dude. I like makeup, chocolate, tea, glitter, and cute animals. Not so AWALT: I'm not promiscuous. I'm honestly not that enamored with muscular, Greek god-looking Chad men. I really just don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 08:45 PM
1

Ok, interesting. So it's all about being treated the same as any past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:39 PM
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Livin on the edge
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:38 PM
1

Fantastic, now that's some pretty (admittedly backhanded) Team Woman advice...lying about n-count, indulging hypergamous instincts, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:33 PM
1

Hmm, does the three-date rule qualify as manipulation in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:29 PM
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If you get a man to submit to you then by definition he's submissive and you'll lose attraction. Is committing the same as submitting? I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:20 PM
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Nah, I think she'd be more comparable to a "cute" male actor like Tobey Maguire or Zac Efron.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:15 PM
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'Bout right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 10:09 PM
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Are you single? Yep, and not actively looking either. I've got a lot of stuff on my plate. What do you look for in a man? An outgoing personality, at least average height and nice looking (to me), and can support himself in whatever line of work he's chosen. I'm well educated but I don't care if he has attained the same level or prestige. I might be compelled to give one of those criteria up for a British or Scottish accent. Do you think men should pay for the Check when out on a date with you? …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/16 04:42 PM
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For an ideology that promotes self-awareness and introspection and constant improvement, there is a serious lack of self-awareness, introspection, and improvement in the ideology itself. Agreed, but both self-awareness and empathy are big challenges for a significant portion of the population in general, so it doesn't surprise me at all that a group of troubled and struggling guys on the internet posting anonymously would lack those filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 03:43 AM
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Maybe they're better at shitposting too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 03:03 AM
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I think I missed the cute gf
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/16 08:14 PM
0

But some of them are really hot, so why would (non-low beta) men care
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/16 06:10 PM
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Of course they are....because stated in a more negative fashion, you shift people subconsciously into defensive mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:38 PM
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I also frequently try to explain to people why so many women aren't all that consoled or excited about the fact that they can easily get casual sex, at least when I encounter guys who don't understand. Thanks for doing that. The solipsism is staggering.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:23 PM
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I agree. A really high partner count doesn't indicate much to me about a man other than frequently low overall standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:07 PM
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No. I'm vaguely libertarian/classical liberal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/16 11:04 PM
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What does the rape kits have to do with the broader context of feminism playing the victim card while treating men like perpetrators? In this case it is a failing of government. Thanks; you get it. That reply was a cheap shot out of left field.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/16 07:41 PM
1

Well, assuming the stats on this matter are accurate (some go untested because the suspect is known or the victim recants), who/what do you think is to blame for this repugnant phenomenon? Lack of funding/resources/manpower? Politics? Corruption? Something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 11:35 PM
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I suppose I'm a non-feminist. While I do think there are certain inequities in how women are sometimes treated academically and professionally involving harassment, etc., I just accept these things as a fact of life to some extent while being perfectly willing to file complaints if they reach intolerable levels. To me, that's really all there is....the individual taking action against a perceived injustice. On occasions when I've been harassed in the street I just tend to ignore and brush it off…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 09:33 PM
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Good question, but I don't think Chad(TM) uses reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:22 PM
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rocket powered turbo slut Totally stealing this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 07:20 PM
1

a guy might prefer a swimsuit model or a celebrity singer to a plain girl who is not particularly pretty but not obese or anything either Ok...but that still qualifies as going for something one wants, even if one's standard is basically "thin and decent looking."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 04:09 AM
1

So....is it better to go for 1) what you don't want or 2) go for nobody at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/16 02:30 AM
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Screw leagues! Everybody should go for what they want. Totally worth the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 08:13 PM
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Perhaps, but the popularity of that might be reactionary in response to the fact that the vast majority of people seem to be accepting mediocre bodies as the norm. Personally, I don't think so. Frankly I'm impressed IRL when I see a guy who isn't fat and has a bit of visible musculature. (For reference I'm not in unbelievable shape myself, but I am pretty thin.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 09:12 PM
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It's probably true that women more openly idealise men who are in great physical condition now. Unfortunately though it seems that the male population, in reality, is more out of shape than ever. (That's true of women too, but we're talking about the men here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 08:26 PM
2

What about The Donald? I assume he did some reading at Wharton. Maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 07:21 PM
1

It's cuz they want the cold hard $$$$ Proto
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/16 06:58 PM
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RIP my chance at happiness :, ( Aww. Such a limiting belief. I've seen plenty of people be successful at still finding a high quality mate in their 30s so long as they are high quality themselves. Don't lose hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 11:44 PM
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I'm of the same opinion for the most part. I think the people in their early 20s who think they've got it all figured out/locked down are probably in for some big surprises.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:44 PM
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bring nothing to table but their physical attractiveness So everything that matters to men, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:39 PM
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Yes, that's what the highly educated coastal 'elite' tend to do IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 10:38 PM
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Right, I'm just saying it's a nice idea but I think regular users would still partition people into camps regardless. And the lack of labeling would probably just lead to confusion. Whatever, I like the flairs. u/disposable_pants and anyone who agrees with him can go flairless if they prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:33 PM
2

In my experience.... High SMV Men: Perpetual flight risks. They tend to loosely "commit" to a woman, cheat on her relentlessly, and then replace her with the next chick in relatively short order (could be months or even years in some cases, but they rarely stick with the same main woman). They really don't deviate much from this pattern IME. High SMV Women: It varies. Some chase their fellow extremely high SMV men with mixed success (it usually doesn't work out in the long run), but I also see a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 07:12 PM
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socially acceptable Then challenge the stereotype. Nothing is stopping anyone from being as superficial as they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:09 AM
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True, I've probably been hanging out here too long. Though it's a term I actually have heard IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 04:07 AM
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There are plenty of spiteful comments and jokes made about vain 'Instagram whores,' so I dunno. I personally don't care about either. There are plenty of vain, conceited people out there of both sexes. I'm a bit vain myself I guess. Not a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:59 AM
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Just gotta keep 'em plugged into the matrix! :D (sorry)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 11:09 PM
1

It's a matter of searching and matching - in a practical sense the majority of people you encounter will be incompatible with you. Isn't it just semantics whether you call that incompatibility or antagonism?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:23 PM
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Right, or BF depending on your pov. I just think that approach is by far the default pursuit from the female perspective in modern society, and being unable to achieve it is more likely to result in childlessness than a literal cuckold situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:18 PM
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Is it? Not in my world, but I guess in your opinion I'm compromising my optimal strategy by not being impregnated by Chad and cuckolding Beta Bob. I think that's a suboptimal strategy. I've always pursued an optimisation of both attractive and provider qualities in the same man. If that's unavailable, I'd rather not reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:02 PM
1

I don't really understand this view, because the way our current society is structured (b/w contraceptives and abortion at will for unwanted pregnancies and pressure to have children in the context of a monogamous relationship) it seems like betas are just as likely to end up procreating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 07:50 PM
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Yay, I aim to please :) I don't like people gaming the system thru reckless behaviour, crying victim, and then holding someone unwilling financially hostage, or worse being a drain on society
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:29 AM
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Just saying there are some 'high betas' that aren't all that hard to lock down.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 08:21 AM
1

Depends on how attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 06:00 AM
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Agreed. I don't think the majority of men are in fact commitment gatekeepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:34 AM
6

So you're saying women are the gatekeepers of commitment and sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:27 AM
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Sure, I could go both ways. Innuendo fully intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:17 AM
4

Why is the woman incapable of providing the basic necessities to a child she had without the willing commitment and provision of the father?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 03:07 AM
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Highly unlikely. A 10/10 (tall/hot/muscular) man is 99% of the time not going to be monogamous and is an imminent flight risk, I don't care what the woman looks like or otherwise offers. Reality knocks. Dreaming the impossible dream though
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 08:57 PM
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haha, no worries here, I never concern myself too much with normality or degeneracy anyway. :) Honestly I hoped/assumed the test was at least partially in jest...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 08:03 AM
1

I tend to think that actions speak louder than words, so imo defying societal expectations/norms by going against the grain actually does challenge the misconceptions. It's just a question of whether or not you really want to defy all those expectations. What do you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 05:09 AM
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Everything you do, every decision you make, will be derided by someone or some group out there. But ultimately, as long as you are doing what you want given the options available, it really just doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 04:52 AM
2

I can totally get being indisposed to it personally. But I guess I was more wondering why you think it's morally wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 11:25 PM
2

You're anti-abortion?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 10:45 PM
2

Almost 200. I'm surprised it came out that high honestly. I don't really consider my lifestyle that wild, but then again my social circle might skew my perception (my friends are freaks haha).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:27 PM
3

Yep. That's pretty much my attitude too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 08:14 PM
5

haha, gotta admit, so much material in this thread for a stone cold mercenary version of RPW that's been mentioned before
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/16 01:02 AM
1

I've never been in a relationship with a guy who was significantly better looking than I am, insofar as that can be compared b/w the sexes. My general calculus tends to involve a minimum threshold for looks (nothing notably deficient and/or off-putting), then style/personality/sense of humour, and shit-togetherness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 08:19 PM
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How petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/16 04:36 AM
2

I think you can also fake it til you make it. That's pretty much my attitude about my 'role' as a woman. I'm not particularly interested in obsessing over my appearance or being very social for instance but I participate in those things to the extent I have to for maximum payoff with as minimal as possible effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 08:10 PM
1

Interesting, I think I've actually become less misanthropic and more empathetic with people as I've started to, for one thing, idolise intellect and hard work less. I'd rather see people pursue their bliss rather than take the path of the martyr. And honestly I think the end goal for society should be moving us to a place (technologically etc) where far, far fewer people need to martyr themselves for the greater good and work themselves to the bone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 05:33 PM
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I don't think she's fat per se but IMO her body shape is pretty strange/unnatural-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 08:17 AM
1

Are you echoing atlas who says real men don't actually like the super-skinny manjaws? I dunno, oftentimes seems like the studlier the stud, the skinnier and more chiseled-featured the chick. Depends though, I'll grant you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 03:05 AM
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Meh, no accounting for taste. The number of guys I've encountered who drool over the rail-thin, straight up and down, Kate Moss look...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 02:16 AM
2

Why do you hate people? Does that involve self-loathing too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/16 12:08 AM
1

Fine. I'm only bothered by/jealous of the practical inequity of distribution of time and resources toward another woman, so this would solve that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/16 01:18 AM
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I actually think it's a scare tactic/shit test for women in their 20s in particular. "You're not getting any younger"...so settle ASAP!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 09:16 PM
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Pretty much. Which is one of the reasons why I think the wall isn't a thing. Fact is, if I were to settle down with a (low) beta right now in my early 20s I'd likely be compromising on attraction just as much as I would later down the line, but even earlier than I have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 06:14 PM
3

Tom Hardy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 03:09 AM
3

along with pretty much every other actor NFL quarterback :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 01:24 AM
5

Also toxic shock syndrome is a serious risk if a tampon isn't removed in a timely manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 06:30 AM
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For a lot of us, it's painful, unpleasant, inconvenient, and physically and emotionally draining. I don't complain about it 24/7 or anything, but it'd be nice if men (and some women for that matter) could be a little less dismissive toward the fact that some of us deal with moderate to severe symptoms (headaches, cramps, bloating, temporary anemia) about 1/3 or even 1/2 of the month all said and done. If that's not possible, it's probably best to just avoid the topic altogether as a man. IME men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 06:20 AM
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I tend to keep people at arm's length for very close friendship regardless, but I do have a pretty large tribe of friend-ish acquaintances or whatever. Among said people, current status is discussed frequently, but the topic of past dating history has never really been broached that pointedly. To the 2nd question, I can't forsee a situation where one of them would be either vengeful or careless enough to do such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 05:52 AM
1

Just curious, what in particular do you object to about 3rd wave feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 08:58 PM
1

Username checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:27 AM
2

Sorry to hear it. :( I can relate, though on my better days I do find a fair amount of humour in the absurdity of all this pointless rubbish.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:26 AM
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Yeah. Sometimes I think dating and relationships are basically a futile but necessary distraction from existential horror. But then I wonder if it's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:31 AM
2

This place is one tiny part of my process to deal with some personal fallout.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 06:20 AM
2

God that's depressing
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 02:17 AM
1

That's not what I meant. I had a bit of a gut check when I read your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 01:51 AM
1

Cringe. That stings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 01:30 AM
1

Nah....vocalising contempt is a critical part of how I express myself. I have my rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 07:47 AM
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It's ok. We all are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 07:41 AM
2

dudes may be picky in public, but quite indiscriminate on the DL. hehe, true. and the more promiscuous the dude the lower the standards may have to be to accommodate. Good looking guy =/= chad. Hmm, what traits qualify a dude as Chad iyo then? Is Chad the prime cut of the set of good-looking guys, or vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:54 AM
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Eh, depends. Chads can be quite picky even for hookups. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 06:44 AM
2

Thanks for sharing your view. That said, the RP conception of RMV is still a mystery to me. I've seen a lot of commitment given to women with none of the aforementioned relationship qualities. Personally, my opinion is that in today's day and age (especially considering a lot more relationships are based mainly on sex), more often than not, RMV = SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 05:04 AM
2

Could the average man vote for most of human history? Is that a justification?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:38 AM
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F, PP I have probably an average amount of friends/acquaintances but very few are close connections. Introvert. I have no male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:32 AM
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forces all women to have sex earlier, just to compete for the boyfriendable men Pretty much. Even the three date rule seems to be a relic of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:26 AM
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Men mostly cheat for strange in my experience and modern people are very unrealistic about infidelity Yeah, that's a bummer.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:01 AM
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Maybe you can shed some light on this: I find it odd that RPers insist that a woman has minimal value other than her looks and sexual performance (and potentially some vague feminine personality traits)...then turn around and judge women for not bringing enough to the table in metrics completely unrelated to the aforementioned things...like intelligence, finances, ambition, practicality, etc. It's like, either take a more comprehensive stance on women's value from the outset or stick with the or…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:58 AM
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Males exhibit hypergamy just as females do by the way Sidenote, but I find it interesting that male hypergamy is recognised in that article after being denied on here many times. As to the point of your post, I'm actually sceptical of the BP position on this. Even in tribal groups where perhaps child rearing and responsibilities were more communal, I doubt that women's actual preferences varied much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 12:07 AM
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That's what I have a hard time understanding about RPW...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 11:51 PM
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I think he's more of a contemptible goon, personally. So I guess by the standards of a certain wing of RP he might actually qualify...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:45 AM
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Really? Even the drama free, amicable part, lol? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:18 AM
2

You'd be amazed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 07:47 PM
2

Eh, I think I'm pretty solidly purple. I tend to agree with the gender/social dynamics/evo psych concepts as broad trends, quibble with a number of details (alpha beta binary, widowing, CC, the wall, the efficacy of 'game'/'frame', etc), and largely dismiss the moralising stuff about socialising the SMP, how women are incapable of love, are mainly responsible for the doom of Western civilisation, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 01:06 AM
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One thing I don't buy re: alpha is this current fad (on PPD) to view low self-control men, criminals, prisoners etc. as 'alpha'. Yeah I don't think that is accurate either. Honestly, they seem like failures/losers to me. I think impulsive/risk-taking behaviour can be alpha but it can also just be stupid, which in my book is not alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:00 PM
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I'd think MMF relationships, according to RPers, would end up hierarchical with the more alpha/dominant/attractive of the men getting the best of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 08:55 PM
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Men and women are different. Check. Women sleep with high value men in their youth (they can't make them stay) and settle for a low value man in their 30ies. This is the most complex one I think. I understand why RP views it in this binary fashion but I really think it's on a spectrum. And it's multifactorial. In that I think there are some women who actually upgrade in comparison to their earlier dating prospects, on either attractiveness or overall value, or at least don't downgrade significan…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 06:37 PM
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Screw dat, liquid courage all the way. I still agree with the anti-smoking PSAs tho. That stuff is poison. I've smoked a few here and there. Never again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 10:41 PM
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That is interesting. Did you feel friends/society/religion were repressive/shaming or something? Ironically I've pretended to be more experienced than I am at various points so people will stop pestering me about asexuality or joining the convent. I feel like, if anything, society has become increasingly hypersexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 10:10 PM
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You may have a point there. Although, I would add, there's a significant portion of people who are legit crazy. I know because I'm one of them :)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 08:49 PM
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Yep, the chick in the story's reaction is problematic too, if we're going to be judging Nice Guys (I don't really, but that's beside the point). I think these are parallel situations, where both groups' (nice guys and jilted women) expectations are unrealistic, but they both may have been (at least in their minds) lead on to believe their affections were mutual. Naturally, they react with spite and resentment. If you're looking for me to recognise the parallel/symmetry there, you got it. I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 08:29 PM
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I would have expected a lot more of the men here to participate in that exercise, given how much they complain about average men being overlooked. Well, define average then and see what the women think. :) But oddly there didn't seem to be too much interest in that, judging by aforementioned thread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:17 PM
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That there is nothing wrong with being abstinent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 04:27 AM
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He's a walking joke of a Reality TV star who has publicly admitted to giving money to a myriad of varied corrupt politicians including his main opponent Hillary Clinton. The main features of his economic plan involve slashing federal revenue by ~25% (balanced budgets lolz). He's managed to alienate pretty much every voting bloc in the US, has minimal knowledge of any major foreign policy issues and is generally an out of control blowhard.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 07:48 PM
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How so? Most people I know have been unemployed at some point in their lives, doesn't necessarily impugn their character to me. Anyway, I just thought according to RP a woman's work was irrelevant to her value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 06:33 PM
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Haha, yes...I was waiting for someone to bring that up
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 06:04 PM
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Why does her employment matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 05:16 AM
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Yeah I think they're grinding that axe. I agree that this is common 'alpha' behaviour (low FTO etc) but beyond that I don't really see the point in pursuing the topic
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:28 AM
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haha, first time I've seen you really blow a gasket on here Xem
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:21 AM
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True. I just think you're overrating the importance of the youth/inexperience angle with the hot/sexy angle. As men prioritise sex above all else, they are often extremely partial to the latter. And these guys are alphas with low FTO (future time orientation)....so they're living for the moment RPers are generally betas/omegas. Their obsession with virginity comes from their beta/risk-averse mentality. 'Alphas' care far less about such things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:14 AM
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Enthusiasm
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:07 AM
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I think in this case it's pretty straightforward: sex
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 02:02 AM
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That's beside the point How is it beside the point if most celebs aren't known for having very long-term or committed relationships in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 01:34 AM
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What kind of RPer are you? AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:23 AM
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Sure. I just thought the gist of the trope had something to do with it's ethereal rarity...a 'dream the impossible dream' type of narrative, not an intentional conspiracy to dupe vulnerable romantics. Comparable to the damsel in distress being carried off by Prince Charming. Intentionally unrealistic and fantastical. Then again we can't all help but be influenced by fantasy and start dreaming some impossible dreams ourselves I suppose
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 05:02 AM
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It is a trope Hmm, see, I always interpreted that trope as an underdog, against all odds move that the mediocre or unattractive 'guy gets the girl.' Not as a default occurrence....interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:01 AM
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Agreed, realism is overrated, especially in regards to toys intended for make believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:33 AM
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haha wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:30 AM
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BP version: I like inspiration, challenge, interest, intrigue, passion RP version: Hypergamous instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 12:27 AM
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Ixnay. We would not be compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:28 PM
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Half the time I look.at a pic for an icebreaker, like what Halloween costume she's wearing, a funny hat, something silly in the background, note something of mutual interest etc. Yeah that's definitely common. Pics can provide a lot of convo material. I was just commenting on the 'women's profiles are so boring' complaint that I sometimes hear, haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 01:31 AM
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Seems loads of people didn't bother doing that with theirs! Haha, I quit the wit and other tidbits when I clocked that all guys were interested in discussing are the pictures...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 11:00 PM
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Not necessarily...it technically means "not confident or assured; uncertain and anxious." Not really a logical leap to make from just observing someone wearing revealing clothing. Plus people can be insecure and lacking in confidence without seeking external validation at all. If anything, I'd think people who dress very conservatively would be just as, if not more, likely to have issues with insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 08:07 PM
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Disagree, wine is the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 07:08 PM
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women tend to marry men who earn more than them Or at least as much. This I generally agree with. women often need to make sacrifices related to their careers in order to raise children. In relationship to Sandberg, this comment is somewhat ironic since she is a big advocate of not dropping out of the workforce and prioritising careerism as a woman. I don't necessarily agree with her assessment but I think it's relevant to the discussion of whether this oft-repeated quote is really advocating RP…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 01:01 AM
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That's interesting. I'm trying to puzzle out why that might be the case. Do you think that strategy has something to do with the proliferation of contraception and the (generally speaking) relegation of reproduction to LTRs in modern society? That would seem to free up the STR strategy to focus on attaining resources. I may be completely off base, just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/16 12:47 AM
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Thanks, I try :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 10:14 PM
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Oh ok, I can see that. Although I think there are actually brooding men out there who aren't just faking it in an attempt to pick up chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:18 PM
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👌
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 09:10 PM
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Venison must be so gamey
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 08:51 PM
1

Is RP obsessed with brooding men? They seem more obsessed with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 06:25 PM
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Well, I can appreciate the effort that goes into it! If it were me I'm sure I would've thrown in the towel long ago as I lack your apparent longsuffering. And tact, that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 08:57 AM
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Personally, I haven't the faintest idea as I am attracted to outgoing, happy-go-lucky, usually extroverted dudes. I'm usually the comparatively brooding one. But yeah if I were to venture a guess it would be that it triggers the caretaking/nurturing side. Makes us feel needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:00 AM
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Every action you take is subject to others' reactions and other unpredictable outcomes. Fighting that psychologically can only ever lead to paralysis. The only rational solution is to calculate your risks, but still take them nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:07 PM
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I used to be something of a ballerina but notably never danced pas de deux, haha. These days I mostly break it down freestyle at parties and mosh at concerts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:12 PM
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Currently I agree. It's been lacklustre as of late, though easier on my limited attention span, haha...certainly expedites the reading process. I wonder what it is about January that sends people into a shitposting frenzy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:44 AM
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Variation on the Title Reader. Some of the long-form epistles written here get tedious so I shamelessly scan. Not all of the keyboard warriors around here are like you and provide a convenient tl;dr
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:20 AM
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Asking too much
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 08:01 AM
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But this is still kind of an unfair answer, because I'm a man and inherently place a lot of value on the things men would place value on. Exactly. Not sure how people could answer a gender reversal question like this non-solipsistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 06:50 AM
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Thanks for your thoughts! TRP mainly think women use LTR's for beta bux, but Buss found it more prevalent in STR's than LTR's. That is particularly interesting to me, and as you said has implications for RP claims regarding AF/BB. I wonder how they define STR vs. LTR though since that could still fit into the prevailing RP view on divorce, etc. I'll have to look up the Buss study.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:25 PM
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Can't say I'm surprised. The subject matter here can't help but be attractive to people with some serious axes to grind and discussions tend to get high octane and personal fast due to vacillating frames of reference and approaches to debate on the part of each user. But that variety and gusto is also what makes it interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:09 PM
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But everything still applies to you, otherwise you wouldn't be here. You read TRP and were angry that some man wasn't validating you. I disagree with your sentiment throughout your post that lack of validation is the only or main source of objection to RP. RP makes a lot of affirmative claims about women and society that people want to debate on their merits. Disagreements with RP aren't simply boiled down to lack of validation for looks or personal choices on the part of the women (or men) here…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 11:41 PM
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How exactly do they stray from it IYO? Cherry-picking of evo psych or the male solipsistic angle?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:47 PM
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To flesh it out a bit more: Your philosophy seems to be to surrender to feelings of inferiority and insecurity, accept male preferences as the be all end all. I disagree. I think there's a lot more to life than just trying to strive endlessly for the approval of men, which your post seems overwhelmingly focused on. I would say the same to men who feel limited by the preferences of the opposite sex. You can take them into account without allowing them to to be the sole driver of your self-worth a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:37 PM
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Yes. I run into it a lot with the intellectual set. For men I think they mostly do it to attempt to assert dominance.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:25 PM
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Speak for yourself. Don't assume your own personal insecurities are representative of all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/16 10:16 PM
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All right then. May the best kindergartner win. Do you fundamentally disagree that part of a parent's role is that of protector? Because if so, then I guess you would deem every protective action as coddling and pampering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 05:17 AM
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You say that like it's a bad thing? It's the parents' job to shelter their kids from many dangers, and I think excessive, continual bullying, especially that which is physically confrontational qualifies as something the parent needs to actively address. What is the alternative? Tell him to fight, drop him off at kindergarten, and hope for the best? Are you kidding me? I don't understand why I'm receiving so much guff here. You have to resolve the situation responsibly as a parent. So you teach …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 03:40 AM
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Thanks. That was my point. I'm currently being inundated with questions that amount to damage control. The point was to avoid getting to the place where you are deficient enough in enough categories that RP becomes necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 02:02 AM
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Removing your kid from an environment where he's being beat up everyday counts as sheltering him from reality. Mmmkay. I mean, fighting back and protecting yourself is important in that scenario but I think I'd be derelict if I didn't look into the situation to determine if a better environment could be found for my kid to go to school. Call me crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 01:55 AM
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I would teach them about the consequences of actions and aligning your decisions and responses to others with your desired outcomes. I'd also seek to remove my kids from environments where their physical autonomy is being denied (i.e. being beat up by other kids).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 01:40 AM
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I believe that's what some around here call the 'motte and bailey fallacy.' If that was all there is to RP, most of the ideas debated here wouldn't be debated. Regardless, my concern would more stem from the fact that my hypothetical son wouldn't have received that basic practical instruction and encouragement from me, but rather something had gone seriously off the rails somewhere in his growing-up process, and I would have to find a way to rectify it, stat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 01:05 AM
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I would be highly concerned and rethink all of my major parenting decisions. I actually think a lot of this pill stuff is the result of poor and/or unrealistic advice given to adolescents. Which is understandable from a parental sheltering standpoint, but I think ultimately backfires for many, and leads to a lot of unnecessary belated distress in peoples' 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 11:44 PM
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It all seems related when you look at it that way, but how do you see all the industries (media, beauty, legal, etc) as connected in a conspiratorial fashion though? I think they just all happen to be profitable because people vote with their $$. Human nature and competitive behaviour comes first IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 07:48 PM
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I can't tell if you really believe this stuff or you just get some kicks from writing intense melodrama I actually agree with most of that though. modern western society is a wasteland, and the rest of the world is on fire, I just don't think women are singlehandedly to blame by any stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 07:37 PM
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Christ Almighty, I'm practically certifiable! Luckily for everyone else I'm out of the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 07:52 AM
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Actually I guess I may have been deemed somewhat pretty in the aggregate as I am now. But I certainly wasn't popular. I also had the misfortune (like many) of having to socialise with some really rotten kids growing up, as well as too frequently being the new kid. That didn't help matters since I was already introverted. I just retracted further into my shell. I think people have always found me kind of strange, which is understandable. I've always had a kind of eccentric aesthetic and personali…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:36 AM
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It's mostly just because of ego, personal vanity and notions of self-importance that people attempt to pretend there's a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 05:03 AM
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Agreed. I've known a lot of hilarious women IRL, particularly older women, but none of them made careers out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 07:29 AM
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sexist air conditioning Say what now
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 07:26 AM
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He is an attractive man. Chill bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 07:53 AM
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Yes. Arty/gritty combo, it can be hot. Eh, depends? I can appreciate the occasional thrill myself, so I can relate better with guys who feel similarly and aren't afraid to take a few risks in life. Martial arts/fighting sure, in controlled settings, but I'm not interested in someone who gets involved in street fights on the reg for kicks. Within reason. I like cars and definitely find it attractive when a guy can drive skillfully with some authority, but not constantly speeding or lane-changing …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 06:44 AM
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You don't have to be masculine if you don't want to. That's the thing. That pressure is all in your head. Same with women who don't want to be feminine or care about their appearance. You are 100% free to do both in current society, just don't necessarily expect success in the realm of traditional heterosexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:23 AM
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Ikr? Ugh, so cute
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:16 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 08:13 AM
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Correct. We're interested in authenticity. That's also why we "shit test."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 06:49 PM
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Awww
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 08:41 AM
1

Blonde bimbo?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:53 AM
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Dread Game!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 07:48 AM
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Good stuff. A happy new year to you btw! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:50 AM
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It provides an opportunity for a man to demonstrate his worldliness, which is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:26 AM
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Gawd I haven't played checkers in ages. I'm more of a dominoes or cards type of person. Is gammon bacon?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 09:19 AM
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Haha, thanks for jumping in with a snappy reply. I was at a loss for words.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:38 AM
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overweight chicks are normal and average It's true tho
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 08:09 AM
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Exactly. If you are amazing to start with, being yourself might be good advice. If not, good to err on the side of being less like yourself and possibly more like somebody better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:28 AM
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Hypergammon? New form of highly competitive backgammon?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 07:01 AM
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Unless you're cool with imminent divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:35 AM
2

How are they too lenient?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 05:29 AM
1

but so worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:58 AM
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Not with average men! you've been out-RP'd
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:54 AM
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I think you're right. Average is over. Requirements are jacked up across the board, so you either measure up or check out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 02:11 AM
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Good point. So classist!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 12:54 AM
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Cringeworthy. Can't he manage to find a 20 something buxom blonde bimbo?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 09:23 AM
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Thanks to men's nonexistent standards for intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 08:51 AM
3

Yep. Nothing can quite compare to the spiteful monosyllabic d-bag ring of Chad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 04:05 AM
5

Overrated
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:47 PM
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You're expected to submit to people who are far dumber than you just because of gender. Any advice? Don't do it. Unless you're getting paid to or it will otherwise indirectly pay off. Incidentally you don't have to be a dominant woman across to board in order to know where to draw boundaries and not suffer fools gladly. I'm pretty laid back, passive chick generally speaking but I can also deal with knuckledragging power trippers. Admittedly I have a lot of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:46 AM
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Sexual strategy is amoral. RP declares that out of thin air. I don't necessarily object to that assessment (it's certainly one approach to life), but it's still a matter of opinion. As u/ehwut mentioned, if said strategy involves conning, bullying, and/or coercing, an argument could very well be made that it is not in fact amoral at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:36 AM
2

Where's my mind bleach!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:09 AM
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There's nothing that can be done about this, except to either (1) improve to the point that one is sufficiently attractive to attract a mate; or (2) accept that one is not sufficiently attractive, and move on with life. Right. And incidentally...pretty much RP summed up in a single sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:07 AM
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Good luck with that. Welcome to idiocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:01 AM
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Usually, in the context of someone going out of their way to proclaim it....weak and dependent
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 04:46 AM
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Exactly. There is no imperative; there's nothing he should do. There are just possibilities out there that he can seek to actualise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 02:29 AM
3

It really just depends on how much you get out and how outgoing you are. If you want an active social life post-college, you really have to make it a priority and find your tribe. It isn't a default experience anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 07:54 AM
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It's not. It's a shite deal for the woman. That's what I was implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:40 AM
0

Dread Game
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 06:33 AM
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It's definitely helped me be more realistic about people's motivations in dating and relationships. I have mixed feelings as to whether or not this is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:56 PM
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I think it depends on the degree. I don't think that would work if the first thing that crosses your mind is what needs to be changed or if it's something major like plastic surgery, or something. But in the long run, I think it's totally up for grabs for both parties in a relationship to communicate their grooming/dressing/aesthetic preferences. I would personally be happy to oblige if it didn't involve body mod, surgery, or drastic weight gain, etc. I wouldn't go for somebody I considered "low…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 07:39 PM
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I can thank the men of PPD for informing me of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/16 04:15 AM
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I know. It kind of blows my mind that guys here haven't clocked, or deny, that there are several 'image' niches you can exploit (if you do them well) that have little to nothing to do with bodybuilding, or being filthy rich. It does take some creativity and style, which might be the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:19 PM
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Thanks, I'm not surprised, that's pretty much what I expected. Must have been quite the shock when it didn't turn out that way. Glad to hear that RP has worked out for you though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:11 PM
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If you really believe it simply isn't possible for a woman to love and be attracted a man who doesn't measure up to that particular ideal, why even try at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 09:13 AM
1

If you don't mind my asking, what benefits did you anticipate?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 06:08 AM
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What do you mean by chosen? Hmm, I'm an introvert (but not at all shy). Curious about everything, until I get bored and move on to something else. Whimsical and artistic. My temperament is usually easygoing, though I can be spunky and opinionated too. I honestly don't know about an exact archetype.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 05:51 AM
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I can conceivably find most of the above types attractive other than hipsters, who I pretty much entirely loathe. As for my recurring types? Mad scientists, european intellectuals, musicians, outdoorsy dudes, comedic happy-go-lucky guys. I'm like a case study for novelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 04:14 AM
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I hear ya. I'm pretty eccentric myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:49 AM
1

That sounds exhausting
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/15 02:36 AM
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Right, I've seen so many misguided, less genetically blessed guys attempt to pull off the Chad archetype - it's never gonna work. They're much better off going for other archetypes like tortured artist/hipster/elitist intellectual/musician/emo/lumbersexual/rebel etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 10:54 PM
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Yes x 1000. Though, diminishing returns after a certain point. It's most important to just not be short.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:46 PM
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That's interesting. I have a pretty good grasp on my level of attractiveness, which is above average, but not smoking hot or anything. But I would probably low ball myself a few points too, if forced to rate myself in public. (Since people tend to react poorly to people who are confident in their appearance.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:37 PM
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It depends on how hot you are as a man, but I'd say if you make the top 25% or so, it is absolutely beneficial to your social and professional life. People in general gravitate toward "naturals." There has also been a lot of research on how taller men are respected, promoted and receive raises more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 09:23 PM
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I don't think women are delusional about the men who are willing to commit to them, but they are usually disappointed with the offered stock. Which is natural, because a man has to be in a position where it is actually in his interest to take on the opportunity cost of committing, especially to a 'depreciating asset.'
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/15 07:58 AM
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Insecurity is a fact of life. No one is immune.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/15 08:48 PM
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That is not nearly as clear anymore, since the ideal result of hypergamy (a more genetically fit population) has been thwarted by modern contraception and societal pressures.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 03:22 AM
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either realise their hypergamy, or can do without men. Meh, most of them realistically can't do without men, in any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/15 12:32 AM
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Right. Same thing with women's hypergamy. You can aim for the stars but no guarantees of it materialising. But that's what men are complaining about here isn't it. Too many women aiming for the stars. In any case, some people are capable/desirous of making reasonable compromises in life. Others aren't. This can't be legislated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 11:57 PM
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It is acceptable, in the sense that nothing is preventing it and given the opportunity it's the male default approach (i.e. alpha fux). Doesn't mean they won't be shamed for it, much like women are for having casual sex. If you're saying every man should have the opportunity to be polygynous as a scenario, well, that is impossible to reconcile with female hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 11:49 PM
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Men don't fall in love with women they haven't had sexual experiences with. Beta orbiters?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 11:27 PM
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In terms of relationships, I'm taking for granted the RP assumption that given the opportunity, men pursue polygyny and women pursue hypergamy. Those are the different goals that must be negotiated into a mutual tradeoff - imperfectly - while also in flux at all times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 11:00 PM
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How would such a compromise look in your opinion? It depends on what level. In personal relationships? In politics? In the workforce? Your post seemed pretty broad. Do you realistically believe both genders can mutually achieve this? Imperfectly, yes. Life in society is a matter of constant compromise and tradeoffs. People make decisions based on limited information and changeable circumstances, and then proceed to eventually re-evaluate relationships/contracts/agreements. It's all dynamic. Ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 10:48 PM
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The bitter taste of The Red Pill is that there will never be true harmony between the genders because the goal-state of the ego of most heterosexual men is one that must necessitously never be realised by him for women to be happy and healthy. Or rather, it must strike a compromise with the female goal-state? Both genders must compromise their mutually-exclusive ideal goal-states in order to functionally relate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 10:40 PM
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TRP views truth as a reasonable, personal existence. TBP, views truth as a majority-rule, absolute principle. It's interesting that you've characterized it that way, because at PPD anyway, it seems like it is usually RPers who tend to make the most generalized/absolutist/binary/rigid statements whereas BP/PP folks tend to point out more nuance/exceptions/grey area. I don't necessarily think either approach is better than the other, the focus is just different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 10:05 PM
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Cool. I can delete my comment if you want. I've just met some people who had no idea their accents were considered attractive elsewhere so I wanted to mention it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:16 PM
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And I think that is very unfortunate, and leads to a lot of misunderstandings between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:10 PM
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Good for you. Also, you are aware British accents are considered very attractive across the pond right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 09:04 PM
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Dude, you're tall? The way guys talk on here you should be set, bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:47 PM
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Him having a nice car doesn't make her interested in fucking him. It makes her interested in using him. I agree. But guys will try anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:26 PM
4

how hypergamous women are versus men versus how nice your face is, round your ass/tits are. materialism vs. superficiality - which is better?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:23 PM
1

Yeah but it wouldn't make them interested in her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 08:20 PM
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I do if it's a Prius or some other eco-terrorist car. Anything other than that is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 07:39 PM
1

Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 07:37 PM
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I think it really depends on the high value dude in question. I'd say most really attractive dudes want to have one main chick (married or LTR) and then bang other women on the side when sufficiently good opportunity presents itself. And then dump the main chick when she gets too old and trade up to a newer model.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:50 PM
1

Same taste. Viggo's a dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 06:52 AM
1

What do you think of Daniel Craig Atlas?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 06:28 AM
2

Marton Csokas...yesss
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 05:20 AM
3

Tall order
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:59 AM
2

She's Friendzoning™ her husband!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:21 AM
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I agree. Hierarchy is a fact of life, in every conceivable relationship and interpersonal dynamic. Best learn to deal with it appropriately and strategically rather than deny its existence or fight it every step of the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:15 AM
3

Another charming sentiment brought to you by u/GayLubeOil
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 04:13 AM
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That post was very empathetic and non-solipsistic. I appreciate the effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 12:53 AM
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Nah. I don't do generalized hypothetical advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:38 AM
4

That's true. Pedestalisation is the enemy of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 02:04 AM
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You can try to hedge every pitfall possible and still lose everything to a natural disaster, a stock market collapse, a bank failure, a fire, a bad car wreck that renders you paralyzed from the ears down, etc. Truer words never spoken, but....ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 01:50 AM
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Professional Dominatrices excepted, obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/15 12:51 AM
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Not from me. I tell it like it is. But when it comes from me, guys start giving me flack, moralising and acting like I'm singlehandedly the cause of all the problems in the world, despite just stating the obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 09:22 PM
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Hey I come from a line of freakishly tall people who to this day mock my (normal) height constantly. I'm used to it. People shouldn't take themselves so seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:22 PM
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Not from women. Either their egos or their chauvinism will kick in and then it usually gets ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:04 PM
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I don't give advice to men. Exercise in futility.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:00 PM
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Manlet. hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 08:16 AM
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Yes, because it's naturally a magnet for unsuccessful dudes. Some have more of a shot at self-improvement than others. I think the ones that do have potential read up a bit but then move on and spend most of their time elsewhere, or otherwise actually provide measured, realistic advice. Those that can't get success just stick around to bitch and moan/go 'MGTOW' or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:45 AM
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I am skeptical that the vast majority of dudes who go to TRP can improve substantially including the "leaders" I'm in the somewhat rare position of defending RP here but I don't think they've ever given out guarantees on that front. More like, "this is how we think the world works, here are some tips, good luck."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:37 AM
1

What about Rollo?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 06:22 AM
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Women who learn to compete in a man's game are unfeminine. Period. How do you suggest women get through life then, with no job and no marketable skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/15 02:20 AM
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For being so close together, NV and UT are so far apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 09:18 AM
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That's my philosophy. I'd rather cut out the proxy method and just go make my own cash. Plus, contrary to what I've read on RP, luckily my type of high quality men aren't usually interested in being with dependent, vapid women in the long run. Seems like a win-win to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 04:20 AM
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I don't even know how it's defined anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 03:44 AM
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I don't know if it was intentional, but Scenario 2 was hilarious. Nice job Xem. Try stand up comedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 01:43 AM
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Meanwhile, 99% of "Chads" wouldn't be caught dead with them, let alone allow them to hang around them... This. Chad doesn't hang with fatties or uggos. He simply doesn't have to. Sorta cute-but-not-stunning chicks? Sure. But this idea that Chad is scooping the bottom of the barrel with hideous landwhales is so patently insane I don't know how to respond to it. It's like they've never met a true Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 06:55 AM
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Just a Metallica reference bro It's not that bad, but I think the joke is that since so many people say "there's no stigma" about online dating, there's a stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 03:23 AM
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Well, I did not have a liberal upbringing at all, which I realize is quite rare these days. Extremely conservative religious in fact. I think that's what surprised me...that puritanical/Victorian views on sex and relationships were actually a thing in broader society at all. I thought abstinence/slut shaming/purity was just a thing that religious people subscribed to because they were masochists. When I rejected most of my traditional religious beliefs I sort of expected to be welcomed into a mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/15 03:02 AM
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I think the RP assumption there is that he's so alpha he probably never cared to begin with and she was just a plate anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 09:12 PM
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Essentially, yes. I think it's a bit more nuanced than that, since I don't necessarily think that one gender having their sexual strategy prioritised = happiness, or vice versa (that one gender's sexual strategy not being prioritised = de facto unhappiness). But women certainly do hold more cards comparatively in the present dating landscape which is clearly causing turmoil amongst a considerable swath of men. I think Rollo is quite perceptive about a lot of things. One of the few manosphere wri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 05:23 AM
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Perhaps. That said, RP's definition is complex and seems to involve insularity, narcissism and a female-specific sociopathy along with selfishness. They've still redefined to the term. I had only ever heard the term used in philosophy prior to reading RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 08:55 PM
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Yep. Solipsism philosophically means "the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist." RP has co-opted the term to mean something different entirely, unless it sincerely believes that women are solely convinced of their own existence. (That said, I have adapted to their terminology and use it as they do.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 08:23 PM
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You can understand why guys might perceive that they're being considered 'second best' or even 'leftovers' when being the option to a woman after 'riding the CC' then. Actually, I do understand this feeling. Nobody wants to be "settled for." I just don't know what to do about it that wouldn't remove an entire gender's autonomy. We're both solipsistic. Agreed. I say this often.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 08:15 PM
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No argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 02:20 AM
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It's not the exclusivity that was the issue, it's the way it was communicated. IMO exclusivity should be something that both people want, not something that is demanded unilaterally by bribe or threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 01:33 AM
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Sad but true. ;(
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 01:12 AM
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I prefer a tad more nuance in my observation of humans than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 11:14 PM
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Then I guess that would invalidate everything else about the relationship if I realized he had ever been passionately in love with someone before me. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 11:04 PM
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I think you're conflating what people want out of relationships in the long run (usually involving some level of mutuality and companionship) with the distribution of attention in the dating market (which is highly competitive and superficial).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 10:44 PM
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