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Did they also study men? How large was the study? Can you cite it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 12:09 AM
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Yes you’re on my nerves, you and every other man who’s said the same shit different ways 🙄 Yes. Attraction is extremely if not completely subjective. Are there some traits that are generally attractive, yes, but parts make a whole and everyone’s idea of a whole attractive person is made up of an amalgamation of parts. I cannot stress this enough either, being GOOD is the minimum. And most people are good humans. Not fucking 1/4 lol good people aren’t scarce. Compatibility is entirely different a…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:51 PM
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Bruh making shit up and then using averages to validate made up shit isn’t science. Wtf is even Ryan Reynolds’s average va regular men? Quantify it. You can’t though because attraction is subjective so cool make it up Height sure you can have one statistic that isn’t nonsense. Clap clap. That doesn’t make your other nonsense real data You have to be in the top 25% to be a good person. What? You made that up. You surely didn’t quantify it with any real data. This is just Boy Math
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:22 PM
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You’re just out here pulling numbers out your own ass to validate the argument you farted out of it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:12 PM
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You’re right I should have said “are you implying to get a good man you have to lower your standards across the board or on a major core value” but instead I chose to be flippant for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:03 PM
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Oh then I do know what it is. Whatever you say bb.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 11:02 PM
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Idk what DK is but I’m so sorry your assumption was wrong lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:05 PM
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“It was clearly implied” You need some reading comp courses. And how to read sarcasm/exasperation
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 10:00 PM
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Did I say that? I certainly didn’t but I guess you can make any assumption you like. For a post to be insipid it doesn’t have to be anything relative to anything else. It just be
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:55 PM
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The average person, is never going to look at someone who is openly a shit person and go “yeah I like that shit. Because he’s hot and has a job” The average person doesn’t have some weighted score list they’re ticking off. The average person is looking at a potential partner through a multifaceted lens. You can be a good person but if someone is evaluating a relationship and all you are is “good” and you’re lacking some other core values, that’s not enough
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:50 PM
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Lololol insipid
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:44 PM
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Maybe when there’s an original thought on here I’ll care about being a parrot or not 🤣 Maybe, just maybe, women are thinking “I do want a good person as a partner but I also want to be physically attracted to them and them to not be a socially awkward wet blanket and to have a stable job etc” and there’s not actually some weighted scoring system. Maybe, they’re also deciding “well if I can’t find someone without settling on a core value, I’d rather be single” Maybe picking a compatible life part…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:36 PM
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That’s called the halo effect, psych 101. And it applies to all genders
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:29 PM
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Both men and women want to be physically attracted to their partners. More breaking news at 4
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:26 PM
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Yeah its so crazy that someone going to a sex party where most often people are vetted in some way (IDs, exclusive club, invite only, hell one place I know runs background checks on your license) are okay with being approached there. At a sex party. Where they went to participate in sex acts. But not as much at a show, where they did not go with explicit intentions to have sex. I’m not saying approaching people in public is predatory (it could probably sometimes be that) but there’s also nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 09:22 PM
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The day you have proof for you claim is the day I’ll give a rats ass about going behind an anecdote for my rebuttals bb
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/25 01:36 PM
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Not once have I ever seen someone on this sub with a real understanding of psychology especially that of toxic/abusive relationships. Neva Abusers and toxic people are drawn to those with personality traits or dispositions that they know they can manipulate/abuse. And there’s a lot of broken people out there who need help and to heal themselves. Everyone thinks being stuck in a toxic relationship is something that happens to other people, or certain people. Or only certain types of people. Only …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 11:34 PM
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Truly it’s the peace. I’m 5 months out of a 4, almost 5 year chaotic relationship. I heard through the grapevine my ex has been thru 2 “relationships” since then. I can’t even imagine haha. I downloaded hinge and started getting matches but the thought of dating having to give my time and energy to someone else right now is off putting. So I shut it down for now. I’ve been spending time with friends, cultivating new and old hobbies, traveling, and just thriving, I didn’t have the bandwidth for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:14 PM
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Okay then all men are bad because enough men have raped women so there’s no distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:05 PM
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I did not receive this chapter in my Big Bad Book of Bitchy Feminism so I’m equally confused
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:59 PM
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I don’t say this with meanness in my heart: expect nothing. What do I expect to get out of treating a friend to dinner? Nothing. Other than spending time with them. Dating isn’t so different from friendship especially in the early stages. Yes romantic relationships have sex potentially involved. But that’s the only differentiator. And if you treat the early stages of dating 99% the same way you’d treat fostering a friendship, you’ll be better off. Also just fucking go Dutch unless you REALLY wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:57 PM
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This just holds true across genders. In general, if you grew up with a chaotic childhood, emotional unstable parents or guardian figures, etc. AND you never have better relationship models or go to therapy or work on it somehow, you’re going to struggle to identify healthy partners. And you’re going to have a skewed view on stable healthy relationships. On average, these people’s nervous systems react incorrectly to stability and peace in relationships. It can feel wrong, because what they’re us…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:48 PM
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Are you trolling or are you truly just an inconsolable grump?? 😂 either way go touch some grass
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 05:23 PM
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“They surely have” Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 06:26 AM
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She probably wasn’t fully aroused with her cervix dilated. Sorry to break it to yall. When women aren’t fully aroused the pumpum doesn’t open up for you. This is why we need sex Ed. Woof
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 03:16 AM
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Dude every other one of your comments is SO NO SEX??? Yes. Many many single women just don’t go seeking sex. I am very certain I know more woman than you especially on a level close enough o talk about these things. Of course some categorically single women are fuckin around. It is the seeking behavior that’s different. The priority assigned to it. The time investment. You can absolutely live a much better life if you stop being obsessed with getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 03:12 AM
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Okay you’re free to think that way. I get it’s it’s much easier to wallow in things you can’t control. Or if you’re not bald, then you’re just poopooing someone else for no good reason (probably insecurity) I’ll continue to fuck hot bald guys who cross my path 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 06:39 PM
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That is a wild false equivalency if you think a relationship with someone you allegedly love can be compared to a bartender asking for ID or the border patrol, you have a bizarre understanding of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 10:02 PM
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I could consider it haha DM me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:18 PM
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I know the history. I have a minor in it too lol Talk therapy is considered mental healthcare. By insurance even. The word treatment isn’t owned by physicians. Mental health treatment, by definition, includes psychotherapy. What physicians would be pedantic enough to take issue with this phrase?? I’d love to meet them because they sound like jerks tbh. I’ve seen a lot of MDs and am related to a few and none take issue with this terminology. They’re mostly glad people are seeing therapists lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:05 PM
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You’re right in an debate space a false equivalence would be called out. So you’re welcome. I did you a favor lol Y’all are fuckin crazyyyy out here comparing sex to rape and physical touch to assault. Do you have 3 brain cells left to rub together to see how illogical that is? Did you ever even take a debate class 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:53 PM
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You’re right. Soemthing being the most effective means it’s not effective. Amazing logic
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:27 PM
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That’s just incorrect. Talk therapy/psychotherapy is backed by evidence. There’s also various modalities. You’re not just venting every session (unless that’s your choice). CBT, IPT, DBT, EMDR, all empirically backed forms of psychotherapy. Psychiatry is also different from psychology. But I don’t expect you know that. Psychiatrists typically go to medical school or some other medical board certification that also allows them to write prescriptions. Psychiatrist work with your brain chemistry. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:19 PM
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Talk therapy is empirically backed as the most effective treatment for most types of depression. There are so. Many. Modalities. Of therapy. Which I think a lot of people don’t fully understand. I did talk therapy for most of my life and then found an EMDR practitioner. EMDR is also empirically backed. It changed my life, did more for me in a few sessions than 10 years of on and off talk therapy. (And that talk therapy did help with a lot of things but it didn’t dig deep enough) Having a talk th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:10 PM
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Coercion, imo and the option of others including law makers, is a form of sexual violence. Sexual violence is a good term I think because it encompasses everything from bad touch to rape. I’d say that experience is hands down illegal, potentially quid pro quo sexual harassment and coercion. I was raped and life “turned out fine” but you never really completely forget it. Your life turning out fine and your job being okay after doesn’t diminish the experience or any discomfort or upset you or any…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 08:48 PM
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Logical deduction and statistics are helpful tools that’s all. You’re the one making a claim with no supporting evidence. Everyone knows sexual violence in both genders is underreported. Many statistical models account for some degree of this. If you have any sort of source that would hint the numbers would be drastically different please share Otherwise you’re just talkin out ya ass
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:45 PM
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It isn’t as widely studied yet but we have in fact started studying it. As we should. According to the CDC report here, 1 in 14 men have been forced to penetrate someone in some way. https://www.cdc.gov/intimate-partner-violence/about/intimate-partner-violence-sexual-violence-and-stalking-among-men.html Here’s more stats on men as victims of sexual violence https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics We have baseline statistics and it is intellectually dishonest to act like we don’t. All victims/survivors …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:07 PM
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~90% of rape victims are women ~10% of rape victims are men If both already underreport, it isn’t exactly a statistical likelihood the numbers would suddenly be 50/50. This is just math. Nearly 99% of perps are also male. Obviously women can rape men and other women I do not deny this. But I do deny that the perps would be 50/50 gender split if everyone reported. It just doesn’t math out
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:35 PM
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You do know that rape is unreported across genders right? Fear of reporting is not exclusive to male victims. I’ll add that women experience quid pro quo sexual harassment too. As a woman do you think it’s any easier to say no to someone in a position of power and leadership over you? Men likely underreport slightly more than women, due to compounding different societal stigmas. That I do believe. But I do not believe it is women as a majority disregarding male rape victims/survivors. As one mys…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:14 PM
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Do y’all understand that RAPE is not SEX?? Women would never equate rape to sex. Again proving the point that it’s not women who are doing this it’s men. This is one of the more horrific threads I’ve read here. Equating rape to consensual if promiscuous sex is fucking insane. They are not the same just because sex organs are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:09 PM
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Please show me where a representative sampling of women are saying this because I don’t believe it. Once in my entire 33 years I met a woman who tried to brush off her forcing herself on a guy as not a big deal because he was hard so he must have wanted it. We kicked her out of our sorority immediately. Completely shunned her. It was disgusting and vile. I have heard far far faaaaar more men make light of women raping men than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 04:53 PM
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Aight then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:54 AM
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My friend. You sound like the miserable one. Who can’t distinguish between anxiety and paranoia. Not every thought you have is true. That’s like idk the first thing they teach you in therapy when you’re trying to deal with intrusive or negative thoughts. If you’re detecting a threat jsut becauee your wife is pregnant and you heard 1-2% of men end up raising others babies, you might need to recalibrate your sniffer. Good luck dude
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:52 AM
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Because it’s better to have loved and lost than never loved at all. Because going through life mistrusting everyone to some degree is fucking exhausting and doesn’t make you happy. Yeah only women do that too, men just don’t trust anyone because getting hurt is scawwy. There’s nothing certain about humans and their emotions. We’re not even good at predicting what will make us happy 6 months from now. Innovating a machine to make life easier isn’t the same as innovating in emotions. I guess you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:46 AM
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Yeah not trusting definitely means you don’t get hurt. Try that route instead. Lmk how the anxiety feels No shit Sherlock you get hurt when you trust. Welcome to the human experience. Learn to live with uncertainty
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:43 AM
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Lmao I don’t see myself or anyone else as an angel but as a rule I don’t go around accusing people of wrongdoing for no reason outside of paranoia. The suggestion sends women in to a meltdown? I mean if they’re pregnant at the time and giving birth I’d believe it. You’re telling me you wouldn’t be upset in some format if your partner accused you of cheating? lol yeah okay Make it mandatory for health but men who bring this up halfway through the pregnancy unprompted by anything other than the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:41 AM
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Innocent until proven guilty, I find, applies pretty well to relationships too. Yes of course it’s literally a possibility that anyone could cheat. That doesn’t mean you make accusations of it by asking your partner for a paternity test when there has been no actually evidence or legitimate suspicion of cheating. Paranoia isn’t that. If it were just a medical standard I wouldn’t care but if my partner that I’d been faithful to asked me for one I would be fucking pissed. there is no way to spin t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 02:32 AM
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And here’s the key to the male loneliness “epidemic” lol apparently you can only not feel lonely if you have a woman. Men are totally incapable of deriving emotional needs from platonic guy friends. I’ll make sure to let my bros know that their bro-ships are actually meaningless and they’re all lying to themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:29 AM
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What do you mean people can’t pick and choose what roles they want to conform to or their partner to conform to. Did we suddenly lose free will? There’s a difference between having a choice vs feeling forced in to something like an expectation. That was like idk half the point of feminism. To have choice, to try and remove gendered expectations. If a woman wants to live her best trad life, I wish her well. You can even be a feminist and also want to be a SAHM, because it’s a choice. Wanting to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 12:16 AM
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You should hug your friends 🤷🏼‍♀️ you’d be happier
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:53 PM
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I feel like I did in my prior comments. Women did not get to be choosy decades ago when having any sort of good life NECESSITATED marrying a man. Do you understand women couldn’t have bank accounts? We couldn’t own property? We couldn’t have children without men without extreme prejudice. We didn’t have any sort of real financial security without marriage. Do you understand that? If so then you should understand my point. Women did not get to date around and mull over qualifications to the exten…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:55 PM
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Sexual intimacy is a core human need according to who? The most famed hierarchy of needs lists Social as a top need but social doesn’t equal sexual Touch can be had between platonic friends. Hugs. Cuddling. Etc. This is something that’s unhealthy to think you only get from a romantic partner. The other things you mentioned are not immutable biological facts. And it’s up to individuals to deal with their shit. Therapy is a great way to deal with emotional distress
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:44 PM
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There is no way to isolate it unless you think a ghost knocked up your wife in her sleep. It is about infidelity and you can’t man math it out any other way lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:29 PM
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I think you missed my point. Men “fulfilled” these roles but not at their female partners discretion. Not to the degree we have now. For women to have financial security a home or a family of their own at all, they HAD to marry a man. They didn’t get to be as choosy. It just had to be done. So you married that alcoholic with a good job and hoped he wouldn’t beat you every night like your dad beat your mom. (I’m being somewhat hyperbolic but only a little if you talk to older women) To men’s bene…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:28 PM
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Sure Jan
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:19 PM
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That’s one way to avoid the question lol. Society and public opinion yes has influence. But not as much as lived experiences. Maybe equivalent if we’re generous but never more. So for it to be the fault of society and messaging, these women would have to have had no consistently bad experiences with men (dating or otherwise) to be making these choices. You cannot blame it on messaging as if women have no critical thoughts. As if they can’t make informed choices
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:12 PM
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“If you want to take it that way” Please tell me what other way there is to take it?? Immaculate conception?? What other way is there? Because if you need a paternity test then you must believe there’s a chance your partner cheated. In regards to checking people’s messages: idk where these women and men are but by and large I stopped encountering that behavior after college and people grew up. When I see it now I cringe because it’s childish and weird as fuck. Everyone I’ve dated has had my phon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:09 PM
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So you think women are choosing to be single, not because they’ve dated men and/or have been in the dating pool and decided “nah” it’s because essentially propaganda? Are these women all under 20 and have little to no real life experience with men? Why do you assume they’re making these decisions based on messages and not their life experience
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:03 PM
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Mkay but why
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:58 PM
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How does this have anything to do with women choosing to be single instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:58 PM
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I mean I’d also tell them they’re paranoid and should probably seek help if they have no reason to suspect infidelity besides their man being pregnant lol I would suggest not even having a child with someone if you know you’re going to ask them to prove their fidelity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:58 PM
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Therapy does help prevent you from being neurotic and laying baseless accusation on your partners or requiring extreme forms of external validation to assuage your anxieties. Therein is where the issue lies. It’s not healthy to be that suspicious of your partner just because they’re pregnant. It’s running on the assumption your partner cheated. Again not a healthy relationship. See you say that but it’s like any weird ass behavior. Like demanding access to all your messages or your phone or soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:56 PM
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I’ve been cheated on and rather than project that on to future partners I went to therapy :) This is why my relationships are based on a strong foundation of trust. If you don’t trust me we don’t need to be together. I’m not having kids but hypothetically if I were, I’d expect a man to express this need before I was pregnant that way I’d get to choose if I want to raise a family with someone who doesn’t trust me I don’t check phones and emails and shit. I don’t snoop. I don’t need to in order to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:50 PM
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You won’t exactly expound on what you’re saying. Despite me asking for you to explain it a different way. What is your suggestion to solve this problem? And I see it as societal and individual. Trauma is individual. You can’t solve Harry’s trauma by Ron going to therapy or getting a girlfriend. Trauma is individually dealt with
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:47 PM
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I mean what’s the point of being in a relationship if your partner assumes that level of deceit from you? That’s not a healthy relationship. It’s also not a healthy mindset. How paranoid are some men? And why can’t they deal with said paranoia with a therapist instead of trying to tank their relationship? I’d assume he cheated if he pushed me (in this hypothetical) for a paternity test. Because you see that pretty often, where the cheater projects on their partner. Do you not understand trust is…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:46 PM
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I would consider divorcing someone I was monogamous with if they started accusing me of cheating and demanded a paternity test. They’re either extremely unhealthily paranoid and need to address it in therapy, they cheated and are projecting, they don’t trust me and that needs to be addressed via counseling.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:43 PM
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How is it not an accusation of cheating to tell your partner “I need to make sure the baby is mine” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:41 PM
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Yeah because people love being accused of infidelity by their partners. Because that’s what it is if you can’t be certain about paternity of a child you have with a monogamous partner. It shows a deep seated lack of trust, or else why even ask for it? Especially when said partner hasn’t cheated or done anything of the sort. It feels bad to be accused of betrayal simply for the crime of…being pregnant
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:40 PM
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According to who? And why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:35 PM
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Because your framing is “women not having relationships with men is causing trauma” and I find that to be reductive and ridiculous. And you’re not offering any sort of answer to the problem. Just blaming women not being interested in large swaths of men for causing harm to society. If you mean something else then state that. What is your solution? Beyond that, People, adults, are also not allowed to wreak havoc on others because of trauma. If the men are traumatized then the solution is self hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:35 PM
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Idk how I feel about the post/OP opinion overall. However, I would say things like this are likely written from the “it’s not the 50s anymore” lens. That’s certainly more how I would read it. Not all that long ago women needed marriage to have a “normal” or fulfilling life. Money, shelter, a family, etc. because we didn’t have the same legal rights as well as societal rights. Do I think everyone is doing this calculus? Lmao absolutely not. Especiallyyyyy when you’re younger and still maturing em…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:31 PM
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Well back in the day we let people be ostracized if they sucked. And they either changed or died in the woods. Maybe we should allow that to happen now. I also find it extremely hard to believe that large swaths of men are rejected by all of society. Maybe because I live in the real world idk lol But I’ve known and met plenty of dudes who were not your average normie that have community and platonic relational bonds. But they put in effort for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:23 PM
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You’re not seriously saying women are traumatizing men because they’re being more selective about relationships or avoiding them all together. That’s wild. If men are traumatized at scale because they can’t get a wife that is 0% women’s fault or problem. That is an individual problem. Inflicted by society at large telling men that’s what makes life good and successful. Even still, it is the individuals responsibility to deal with their own shit, not blame others or try to guilt women in to…what …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:16 PM
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No I don’t have to acknowledge women withdrawing from men is harmful. It’s men’s behavior that is, not the women withdrawing. That is ridiculous and reads like men just can’t control their feelings. If I can deal with CPTSD with a therapist there is no excuse for “men” as a category to not be able to deal with their self esteem issues the same way. Again this is a men’s issue not “women are withdrawing from men and that’s harmful”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:03 PM
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It’s easier to track matrilineage. So makes more sense for women to pass on names tbh. Also women taking a man’s name isn’t standard globally. What’s your reason beyond “I’d be her husband” because that’s not really a thought out reason
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:50 PM
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It’s 100% the social skills. I’ve only ever dated nerdy guys but they balanced the nerd out with other interests and social skills. Also, idk about high school kids being a super representative sample. Teens are a hormonal bunch that are still even figuring out what they want in life and a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:47 PM
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Maybe they should invest in their community then. It doesn’t take a wife and children to have a community. Women don’t need to take in these lost men to make society better lol they need to better themselves and figure out how to build communities of friends
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:42 PM
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This was definitely a problem for a long time in my last relationship, because my ex thought they’d only ever need their partner for emotional support. I have friends, family, and a therapist in my support network. I can fulfill those emotional needs outside my relationship as well as seek support within it. But expecting to get all your emotional support from one person is far too much and unhealthy for both parties involved. It is exhausting. I do think this is a greater issue for men. It’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:00 PM
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3-4 weeks in I think most people are still dating around. Someone wouldn’t be my boyfriend that quickly tbh, you barely know someone as a person after 3 weeks haha
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:55 PM
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One of my favorite analogies about monogamy and “other hot people” is this “Just because you had to give up bacon doesn’t mean it stopped smelling good.” Hot people don’t stop being hot. Noticing someone attractive is fine. Looking at (NOT LEERING OR STARING AT) hot people is fine. Hell some couples I know (including myself with my partners) point out hot people to each other. Understand each others boundaries, respect them. Be confident and secure in your relationship and you too can appreciate…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:48 PM
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How often is your home being assaulted?? lol what.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:41 PM
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The first person I responded to* specifically mentioned wife and kids. They said “as a single man with no wife or kids why should I XYZ” I proceeded to have another conversation and changed the crux to be community vs WiFe and KiDs. Community does not have to be wife and kids. Loved ones doesn’t have to be wife and kids or even family.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:59 PM
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What are you arguing? Genuine question because my first comment you responded to was asking someone else (a single man) if their argument was supposed to imply all or most men feel the way they do. It wasn’t that no men feel this way. And with a hint of facetiousness Yeah ofc there are men who think this way, clearly. I wasn’t saying they don’t exist. I would posit they aren’t the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:55 PM
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Girl if I took the opinions expressed by men on Reddit (much less red pillers or incels) as Bible or some representative sample, I’d never go near men again 🤣 the chronically online and lonely don’t make a representative sample of the population. I do think we (as a society, men and women) were told having XYZ means you have a good life and have achieved greatness. Just to use as an example though: women have moved away from their “gender roles” to find fulfillment in other aspects of life (not …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:44 PM
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Maybe that’s how the OP really feels which is depressing to concerning. But nah I don’t think most men are like that. I think men and women are both a little beat down by the state of *gestures widely at the world” things. Also did you mean someone else? I got confused when I reread the comments and it seems like ThatBitchA wasn’t reducing it to sex? I was responding to some SolidouMonkey or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:35 PM
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Do you think you’d fight if you did have a community of friends you loved? No partner no babies, but friends and a local community that you feel a part of? Imo - the lack of any meaningful binding ties is the problem. The lack of hope for a positive future also sucks, home ownership being so far out of reach when it’s been a staple of the “American dream” is surely one of the major factors. Perhaps it’s time to redefine what a good life is. Do we seek these things because we know it will bring u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:19 PM
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Yes I am haha sorry I answered in a very American centric way, but to be fair that’s all I’ve got on a personal level. And thanks for sharing some history I wasn’t aware of! It’s good to see US military has done some good in my lifetime. I was a wee child in 98 and this looks like it was a thankfully short conflict. Not to discount it being a “good” conflict but it’s not quite a war (defined as a Conflict)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:13 PM
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Some bought homes. Some bought cars. The younger ones really should have been given financial literacy classes imo lol a 19 year old making 90k a year is still a dumb kid with money (no shade and obviously not a rule, some younger folks learn more responsibility early!) I’d say it was largely age dependent on how smart they were with their money. But they weren’t doing it for a wife and kids (the single ones). They were motivated by the money. Which was my point. Neither here nor there if they’r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:59 PM
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Not what I’m implying at all lol. I was ribbing the idea men will only do shit like war and hard jobs because of pussy and babies lol. Because I don’t believe that tbh. but as an ancillary point they might perhaps be selfish, but it’s more about motive. Also “selfishness” is a morally grey thing to me, in a lot of cases. Especially in a case where your life is on the line. Extreme hypothetical - if my country were to be invaded by an aggressor, and it was totally not even a little bit our fault,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:55 PM
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Is the point of your rebuttals to prove that men are selfish and only care if something directly benefits them if they have wife and kids? Damn dude, honestly that’s a pretty low opinion on men lol More than half the guys I worked on rigs with were single. Do with that what you will, but I assume it was the fat stacks of cash they could earn with no college degree that motivated them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:41 PM
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Oh I had no idea you were the authority on validating studies! Wow! Lol nah stay mad. It’s weird you’re so heated about this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:01 PM
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The AVERAGE is still 3-4. https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/how-deep-average-vagina-and-does-it-elongate-when-somethings-it https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321220 https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/how-deep-is-a-vagina The cervix lifts up when aroused yes. This does not change the basic anatomical info I shared. You can guarantee that? Okay I can guarantee the opposite from my experience and seeing as the AVERAGE length from entry to cervix is 3-4 inches. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 04:07 PM
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Depending on the why it happened would determine if I would willing to fight for the cause. But I would def fight to protect my little community. Thats more what I was thinking. But that’s so unlikely lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 04:44 AM
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When was the last time our military even fought a war for a truly good cause? WWII? Why should we go die on the frontlines for the whims of the elite who don’t have to put their asses on the line? At least back in the day kings used to ride with their armies, now the powers that be sit on their fat asses in their comfy mansions, while they start meaningless conflicts they expect our young men and women to die for. Honestly, most war is fucking stupid and I can’t believe we haven’t evolved past i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:25 PM
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Enjoy the convent and the companionship of your stinky attitude
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:04 PM
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Yesss move the goalposts! You’re totally right no woman has ever relaxed their standards for someone who isn’t chad hot. Gosh I am such a fool, your wisdom is astounding
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:53 PM
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You’re right my guy. Everything is hopeless for you because you’re ugly. That’s it. That’s the only reason because you clearly posses so many amazing qualities you’re just held back by your face. Never has a man who was not conventionally attractive had a successful relationship ever in the history of modern dating. You should give up now and join a convent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:51 PM
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You can be driven and not need to climb the ladder or constantly make more money. You can be driven about non work achievements. Making enough money to be comfortable and enjoy a leisurely life? Yeah dude sign me up. Work hard play hard. Balance. I don’t want to spend my life with someone who’s driven to the point they let work run their life. I’ve been there done that myself and it doesn’t bring happiness. But is that the kind of driven you’re talking about? Maybe the definition of driven and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:48 PM
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God some of yall are so vapid and whiny. Go touch grass please. Maybe also get a therapist lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:42 PM
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Nah dude I’ve seen some fuckin goblins treating their better looking partners like trash and getting away with it lol Yall keep telling yourselves that though. Much easier than self reflection. And this attitude is totally not stinky from a mile away
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:41 PM
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Why would anyone date someone they’re not physically attracted to?? Doesn’t require one to be defined as hot, not everyone even finds the same people hot Nice pity party I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:34 PM
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For a fling sure but not for an LTR lol but I get it. It’s much easier to blame things out of our control rather than self reflect
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:31 PM
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Genuinely appreciate your perspective! The way you describe your view of masculinity resonates with me and is also basically the opposite of what I would consider toxic masculinity to be. I think we are all best when we have a balance of our behavior. And when we have a partner who can balance us out. The combination of strengths and weaknesses and sharing burdens is a core tenet of a relationship imo. I know I can probably lean more masculine in how independent I am but I do appreciate being wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 09:28 PM
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I’m admittedly not one for conforming to gender roles and since childhood have thought they were nonsense. So that’s my bias. But I love being a protector as a woman haha. I think it just feels good to be needed or helpful or to matter in someone’s life in a deeper way. I’m probably as quick to square up as my best friends boyfriend is 😂 Alternatively, Sometimes, men who feel they need to protect their woman can go a little overboard in my experience. It can be unsettling instead of attractive. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:58 PM
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Okay cool that’s a reasonable definition to work with thank you! For additional context I’m bi lol but I would require that trait in a partner of either sex. Because chronically indecisive people drive me nuts and it’s hard to be with someone who isn’t strongly driven by something, be it work or extra curricular achievements. As long as they’re not also a workaholic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:48 PM
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What do you mean in the context of dominant? Like decisive and driven? Dom in bed? And/or the weird red pill definition where women are supposed to delegate all thinking to their male partner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:43 PM
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I mean saving her from herself was obviously the right thing to do but if you weren’t around and her best gal friend was they’d probably do the same thing ya know? I’m sure there was some combination of yall having chemistry before this incident, then you get an adrenaline rush, then you swoon in to the arms of the person who rescued you. I don’t think this means “masculine” traits are required for attraction. But they can still be attractive and a turn on!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:42 PM
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I think it’s becoming more common to see those things without the lens of gender. I definitely always thought it was stupid to label activities that way. So I’m glad it’s less the norm. Again, I’m not saying it’s not hot to see hot guys doing physical labor. It is. But it’s also hot to see a man cooking, or painting, or doing pottery, or dancing, or singing hell I even find it hot when a man gets along well with kids (as a childfree person lol). And I feel those would fall in the the feminine ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:37 PM
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Hmm okay I guess that’s hard for me to answer because tbh I don’t really know any straight guys who are like that 😬 despite living in a really liberal city I guess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:32 PM
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I don’t really consider knowing how to change a tire or fix things masculine. Because you don’t need a dick for that as far as I can tell. Besides, those are just life skills. I learned how to change my tire solo as a senior in high school at my all girls school 🤣 Also do not give a fuck about those things because most of the time I’d rather pay a professional for their skills than have someone who’s not a pro do those things. Or I’m proficient in these “masculine” areas as well lol. More fun wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:30 PM
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Nope. Lots of behavior factors in to arousal. I’m not saying some of the things you deem masculine wouldn’t be attractive, but the lack of them hasn’t been an issue in my experience. Like yeah I was turned on watching my ex play rugby because duh, hot guy with an incredible ass lol. In contrast, I wasn’t put off by his extreme crowd anxiety and in fact found it attractive when he’d be vulnerable and depend on me to safely maneuver a large crowd. Vulnerability from a partner is sexy, and I loved …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:25 PM
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Yeah imma take red and black pillers words as gospel lmao not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 07:21 PM
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No the average length between the vaginal cavity and the cervix is 3-4 inches. It can vary, but the average is 3-4. I would highly suggest actually understanding women’s anatomy if you want to be a good sexual partner lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:30 PM
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From the vaginal canal to the cervix is between 3-6 (average of 3-4in) so there’s not reason a 6-7 wouldn’t hit the cervix unless she was an extreme outlier. Preferring the average doesn’t lead credence to you just believe bigger is better but okay confirm your bias I guess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:26 PM
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The bar is so low it’s in hell I guess lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:05 PM
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There’s a loooot of hot bald guys. Idk I think it looks very masculine for some reason. Maybe also because all the bald guys I’ve dated or been with were athletic or worked out. I’m honestly not too picky about hair or no hair. As long as it’s well kept, and if you’re balding just fucking shave it off. Commit to a look, I promise you will be more attractive bald than with bald spots or patchy hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:59 PM
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I had an ex tell me that I didn’t need him enough (like to solve my problems or make decisions) and it made him feel inadequate. I was so confused 😅 that clearly didn’t last because I didn’t feel like making myself small so he could feel big? I’m happy to accept influence from a partner (Gottman theory) or delegate decisions or certain things to them like planning the camping trip logistics while I do food. And follow each others lead there. But I don’t think that’s what these men mean when they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:05 PM
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Really? Even if you’re married or have been exclusive for an extended time? Honestly would make me rethink my relationship. It’s an assumption of infidelity and if there’s been nothing of the sort historically to cause that anxiety, I wouldn’t accept it as normal or okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:49 PM
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You very clearly do not listen to mainstream rap lol Megan Thee stallion would give you an aneurysm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:42 PM
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I think women are just rarely looking for a date at the gym tbh, if you mean you’re not getting dates from the gym. I’m not sure where you’re at but maybe joining social groups who do physical activities for fun (like coed rec teams for volley ball, hiking groups, walking groups, climbing?, etc) and aiming to make friends would help. If you’re always out with the intention of finding a “match” everything is a disappointment and also you may not realize you come off that way. I’m sorry if you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 05:22 PM
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I’m curious what you mean by people get narcissistic while filming. I always ask the people nearby if it’s okay to film myself if they might make it in the shot. It’s not often I do but I actually was recently because I’m working on my form for a few exercises and when I’m not with my trainer I don’t get the visual feedback 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:48 PM
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I do believe body positivity plays a role (which came about largely due to the toxins cultures form 80-200s) which is a good thing! No one necessarily needs to be an Adonis to be attractive. It’s good to extricate self worth from your physical appearance and someone’s value as a partner. People who value fitness will always do so. But I definitely haven’t seen evidence to this idea men must be perfect but women can be whatever. Other than people on reddit tbh. It’s also rather reductive and lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:44 PM
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Mmmm I don’t think that’s really what it is haha especially if you talk to women about their experience with working out. I’m also having a hard time digging in to the data. It seems like it was all self reported and the guidelines are pretty broad? I like another study someone else linked elsewhere in a response to another of my comments, just because it gives more categories to the data. I’m not saying the data you shared from CDC is “bad” but maybe limited. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/stati…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:35 PM
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So is your main question “why do women workout less than men” or stating most women don’t work out lol because your title says one and the body of your post just says most women don’t workout. Which would also be true of men since neither cohorts have an above 50% percentage for physical activity metrics
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 04:07 PM
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My god you are such a pedantic, you’d do anything to avoid discussing the data Most men on earth also don’t work out. Because most people don’t and the stats don’t all provide a huge gap. Have a nice day
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:27 PM
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OP literally said “it seems most women don’t work out” in the body of their post that was titled “why do women not work out as much as men” So like, no? Lol not my problem OPs phrasing changed across title and body of post. My bad for using context clues to glean their meaning. What’s better? Only reading the title of an article and not the body of it? Ignoring OPs additional statement? You posted those links saying data agrees with OP so like which of OPs statements? Or the combination of them?…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:07 AM
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Oh yeah I have! Admittedly my experience has been different and I’ve only filmed myself for form purposes. I assumed it was so creeps couldn’t film people while they workout haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:53 PM
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Girl if you can’t understand the difference in cognition from childhood to teens to adults I don’t feel like teaching you. Go read about it. Congrats me too! And somehow the 90s! Do I get a special badge of superiority??? lol Idk why you’re so heated. God forbid young women who model their mothers and other adults since they have very little access to resources and education or even agency to make their own decisions about their health, struggle. Fuck them they’re all stupid But you’re big smart…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:07 PM
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Detoxing isn’t new it’s just the flavor of the week. Why would you acknowledge it? Idk why you would since you clearly don’t want to do so, or critically examine how fad diets and culture affect young girls and women. Your choice to stay ignorant. The 90s culture undeniably created and contributed mental health issues around body image and health. You’re free to vehemently ignore it for whatever reason? Not sure what dog you have in this race lol it’s okay to acknowledge that societal norms and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:57 PM
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Yeah you referred to her in the 90s and she’s talking about her life back then. So? Everything you don’t agree with is horseshit I guess 🤷🏼‍♀️ Never mind you didn’t live it and clearly lack an understanding of social psychology (or don’t care to try to understand) You’re welcome to glorify the 90s all you want sis! Those of us who don’t will continue to reflect on those seminal years critically and hopefully find the intrinsic motivators that help us achieve our own health and wellness goals. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:54 PM
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What exactly did I doctor? The only thing I even quoted was a raw statistic which is in the CDC link. CDC - “The percentage of adults who met both physical activity guidelines was higher among men (28.3%) than women (20.4%)” like is it because I didn’t do the decimal point value lol my friend please NHS - “higher proportion of men (70%) than women (59%)” Europa - “the EU as a whole, in 2019 more men (47 %) than women (42 %) exercised regularly” The difference between men and women is highest in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:51 PM
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Quick secondary reply. As an example. This is Demi Moore speaking on herself and how unhealthy her mentality and relationship with fitness and her body was in the 90s lol This is a good example of outward appearance and even working out doesn’t equal overall wellness https://www.newbeauty.com/demi-moore-biked-60-miles-to-work/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:34 PM
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There’s one in every crowd unfortunately. I also think it’s weird when people get offended women want all women gyms lol why you mad bro? It’s weird af Interesting you can’t record yourself. That feels extreme haha but I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:29 PM
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Disordered eating is itself a mental health issue and does not exist in a vacuum. As is body dysmorphia. They can have various causal factors, including societal norms. No the 80s-2000s didn’t celebrate fitness in a fully healthy way. Again you can pretend it did and it was some magical time lol but there are plenty of write ups about the psychological effects of the toxic part of the cultures and its prevalence. Once again, body building contests do not equal health lol. Plenty of body builders…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 08:20 PM
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Okay? Does that mean there weren’t issues or…? What’s your point? My older sister and myself lived thru those times. She’d agree with me lol and she’s obsessed with her health and married to a cardiologist. Very healthy people lol Crash dieting is categorically unhealthy and that was a huge aspect of that era as one example. If you want to pretend there were no unhinged or incorrect societal things going on, that’s your prerogative. The information is out there to read about. Good can exist with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:55 PM
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You can’t find anything from the 90s on crash diets, “heroine chic,” and other examples of 90s diet and exercise culture? I find that hard to believe lol I’m very confident, for American women at least, that this experience was extremely universal. The 90s-2000s toxic diet and exercise culture helped give birth to body positivity as a movement. There was a focus on being thin, waif-like (hence the heroine chic moniker) lifting weights was a no no or you’ll be gross and manly and fat. I got to sk…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:36 PM
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I think a lot of women in the Gen C and Millenial cohort were told lifting makes you bulky and manly which is a lie but damn if societal pressure and BS isn’t hard to fight lol Working out for anyone but yourself is unfortunately not a recipe for success.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:13 PM
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1st link showed a difference of like 8% so I don’t think that qualifies as “most women don’t work out compared to men” tbh. The 2nd 2 didn’t link to any data. If only 28% M and 20% of W meet the criteria from the CDC link, then the correct statement is most men and women don’t workout enough lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:10 PM
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Edit: I misread your response at first. So in response to “tell those women to go to all women gyms” sure, if they’re available, nearby, etc. I live in a major metro area and there’s only like 1-2 women only gyms. It’s not going to be a one size fits all solution. Fortunately I don’t feel weird going to a coed gym! Tbh I don’t put up with shit, I’m not worried about taking my issues to the manager or biting back if they don’t do anything lol. I’m not opposed! But my gym is 5 minutes away and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:56 PM
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Yeah unfortunately the damage done in the 90s on women’s psyche is holding strong lol I know a lot of women who think lifting heavy is going to make you big a masculine 😅 Meanwhile, lifting is best for women because our bone density falls off way faster than men as we age. And lifting is basically the only way to combat it. But most of us were told to workout so we could be hot and desirable and tbh that does not work as a good lifelong motivator. I could only really stick with and fall in love …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:44 PM
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Can you share your data on this? From a quick search the numbers appear to be nearly equal. https://www.mdlinx.com/article/who-exercises-more-men-or-women/1TK8wn2e1IPcZYwBFE1cqC More global (women 5% less but that’s not indicative of most women not exercising in some format) https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/physical-activity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:28 PM
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God forbid a woman get in to a field because checks notes it makes a lot of money 😂 My sister taught me how to play games when I was like 5. And now I’m building her son a PC lmao I’m also DM for a table of 6 all female players and I’m homebrewing the whole thing. I don’t know how much nerdier I can get tbh I can’t tell if you’re a troll or just that wildly out of touch with reality but sheesh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:09 PM
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“It seems like a big part of its appeal to women is they can see their sexual rivals be eliminated” My god what a horrific point of view. It has never been more apparent that someone posting here has never had an in depth conversation with a woman in their life. It’s quite literally the opposite. It has to do with empathy and seeing yourself in the stories. It’s also like gathering intel. They’re cautionary tales. If there are women who enjoy the true crime genre because they take joy in their “…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:57 PM
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Would you date a man who uses marijuana at least once a month? A: yep! I’m 420 friendly Would you date a man who considers himself to be a devout christian? A: nope. I left the church and someone who is devout of any religion wouldn’t gel with me Would you date a man who dislikes physical exercise? A: absolutely not lol I lift and have physical hobbies Would you date a man who doesn't believe that gay marriage should be legal? A: absolutely not. Would you date a man who believes that abortion sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:28 PM
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Saying we don’t want to pay for dates because we have to conform to societal beauty standards is not at the heart of feminism. Wanting to disrupt those structures and move away from that mind set is feminism. I do choose to not run that rat race. I get my hair colored because I like it that way, I don’t feel the need to buy special outfits for dates (unless I’m using that as an excuse to justify buying one lol), and I’ve never felt the need to use a ton of makeup just for a date. I’ve never had …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:06 PM
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Idk who came up with this argument but I don’t love it and don’t think it’s really a great one. It implies we wouldn’t do those things if not for men and like, nah. I feel like this argument is anti-feminist at heart. Idk anyone who owns clothes JUST for dates that cannot and won’t be worn elsewhere either. That’s wild, reminds me of the annoying southern belles I went to college with who pearl clutched over wearing the same outfit twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:41 PM
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Maybe your date was embarassed by her financial situation and having cards decline and that’s part of why you haven’t heard back. People get hung up on things. Don’t take it personally. Around my mid 20s I started preferring to split bills or contribute to dates, especially the first one. And I do not accept invitations for expensive first dates. Not because of money but because expensive first dates are red flags imo (anecdotally those guys have always been trying to compensate or be showy and …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 06:49 PM
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Only if they’re good with a sniper rifle and calibrations
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 06:32 PM
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My interpretation of this is more that women are told our worth is tied to looking good. Be that for finding partners, or getting better jobs, or more respect. At least this is the social programming my friends and I (born early 90s) talk about recovering from. Not saying don’t put effort in to your health, mental wellness, or aesthetic, but you should do those things because they improve your life on an individual level. Not because you have to be to worthy. Ya dig?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 06:25 PM
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I mean I’m not dating a fat physically unattractive man either sis lol. I lift and eat well and take care of my body so it can serve me for another 30 years. There’s a difference between a lil meat on your bones vs being at a medically unhealthy weight/physically inactive . If you don’t care about your health we’re incompatible. Idk why that shouldn’t apply to women (I date both soooo)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 09:09 PM
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I’m not going to be strawmanned by you. I have explained quite plainly, that myself and clearly the other woman who was trying o debate in good faith, are not only referring to major pregnancy complications. If you cannot read, or choose to be obtuse and not engage in good faith, I will not waste my time. When you are able to get pregnant I’ll care what you think a reasonable risk is :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:06 PM
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They are not negligible? Do you even know anyone who’s been pregnant?? I sincerely question your life experience. Once again I am not talking about strictly death or major complications. You’re being obtuse. Pregnancy is a major medical condition, that has wide reaching affects on women’s bodies. It weakens your immune system, it sucks nutrients from your body, hormones out of wack which cause all sorts of changes to your energy levels and physical abilities, growing a human and carrying that we…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 08:01 PM
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You don’t have to die or have complications or be disabled to be majorly affected by pregnancy and labor (and then dealing with a newborn). Pregnancy is a medical condition that has wide reaching affects on women’s bodies and it’s not one size fits all. This is why it is such a big deal for women. Men don’t have to take time off work or deal with the possibility of being unemployed for extended periods of time to have a child, women do. It is the one place we are just biologically unequal and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:52 PM
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“This is the catch-22: it's clear masculine traits are attractive such as paying the bill, physically well kept, decisive, but this is not in synergy with the desire of evolution for a society away from traditional "patriarchal" leadership that many want to go towards on a societal level” This is an interesting thought (and in my opinion, fallacy) re: considering decisiveness, “being well Kept” to be “masculine. In fact I’d argue being well kept is something much more expected of women. Decisive…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 07:42 PM
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The problem is holding a romantic relationship over platonic ones. If you truly think all these experiences are “better” with a partner, I think that’s putting too much pressure on a relationship. The reason women are content and happy single, doing these things with their pals, is because we (on average) derive equal fulfillment from our relationships and also diversify them. The day I derive all my emotional fulfillment from one person, is the day everyone else in my life has died lol. Do I lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:49 PM
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“Lastly, claiming someone cannot understand casual sex unless they are currently engaging in it is like saying a cardiologist cannot talk about heart disease unless they have one. Observation, study, and pattern recognition matter more than participation.” Lmao you are not seriously comparing your musings to a fucking MD who spends years studying and also physically practicing medicine, literally every day of their lives. You do not have expertise in casual sex because you “studied” it which is …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:10 PM
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People who think like that are gross and you should discard their opinion 😂 Step parents can be a huge positive impact on a kids life, even someone who doesn’t become a full fledged step parent can be good! “It takes a village” exists as a phrase for a reason. Obviously there’s toxic types who shouldn’t be in those roles but I see nothing wrong with a good person doing a good thing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:39 AM
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He sounds lame why do you want to pursue him? Oh no a woman asking questions to try and get to know him, the horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:35 AM
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I don’t think there’s any one thing that will make a man, or woman, commit. Most of the time. If someone doesn’t want to commit then they’re not the right one for you and there’s no point in wasting energy trying to convince them to imo. So I’ve never put much thought in to this. I’ve seen all types of people in healthy relationships/committed ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:34 AM
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If it’s never been an insecurity then don’t start letting it be one now. Men don’t age better than women, they’re just allowed to age. I’ve always liked that old adage and it’s true. Sure you may not like 20 anymore but why does that mean you’re not beautiful or attractive? Also don’t forget there’s a billion dollar industry build on the insecurities of women when it comes to aging. I’ve seen my mom and her friends, well in to their 50s and 60s get attention from men. The one thing they all have…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:32 AM
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And it’s so very traditional to make up a whole new name hahaha man you’re killing it with the jokes
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 08:06 PM
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The government literally already tells us we can’t have sex with minors, or people who can’t consent, or our pets. Like how obtuse do you wanna be
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 05:25 AM
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I’m capable of understanding that you’d do anything but take a woman’s name, even a non traditional thing like create a new one and that you’re trying to pass it off as if it’s not about who or sexism lololol Man’s would really make up a whole new name than even take his wife’s oh no. The horror 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 05:24 AM
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I’m asking you to explain your thought process.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:24 PM
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I mean how is it not? You’re open to making a whole new name or passing yours down but not taking a wife’s. What’s the logical breakdown here I’m also not sure how any of this is invalidating a lived experience since we’re clearly speaking in hypotheticals and what if’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:23 PM
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So that’s more attractive than taking a woman’s name lol Doesn’t sound like tradition. Sounds like ego
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:18 PM
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But you suggested changing to a third name
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 11:10 PM
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Why not take the wife’s name? Idk that just wasn’t listed as one of your alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:30 PM
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“Personally I think it's a symbolic act that says this man is worthy of my love/faithfulness/children and giving up my last name for him & our future together catalyzes this decision and cements the family unit (assuming there will be children who will take their father's last name).” What alternate reality did you grow up in because the whole idea of taking the man’s name goes back to women being property. The concept of love as we know it is incredibly modern (in terms of human history.) On th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:24 PM
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It’s easier to trace genealogy thru matrilineal lines so in that case it really should be the mothers name
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 10:21 PM
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The government regulates all manual/physical labor for safety standards and worker protections. Don’t be obtuse. Wanting unfettered and uncontrolled sex work industries is a recipe for sex trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 09:21 PM
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Prostitution should be legalized and regulated but not because there’s a rise in sexless men. Also what business does the government have in peoples personal romantic/sex lives? Absolutely none imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 06:15 PM
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This study looked at less than 200 women and they were mother daughter pairs which makes the sample even less representative They were shown images and then told the men possessed certain traits. Then asked to rate their attractiveness. That’s a shaky study at BEST but it is absolutely not a representative sample nor is it really indicative of anything we don’t know which is that when you have to make a SNAP judgment on someone’s attractiveness based on an image, that image holds more weight bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 08:06 PM
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Alimony exists because women used to have no financial recourse when a marriage ended and they sacrificed their career opportunity or growth to facilitate the home, child rearing, so the men providing could focus on their career. Does it make sense when both parties are and have been gainfully employed throughout the relationship? No. Do women also pay alimony? Yes, when they make more than a male partner or that partner stayed home for years sacrificing their own career opportunities. Is it les…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 06:23 PM
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You must live in a town of five then 🤷🏼‍♀️ They’re everywhere. It’s just convenient for y’all to blame it on the things you can’t control rather than things you can. But that’s your prerogative. All those other guys who have something to offer beyond looks can live out their happy lives while you have a pity party
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 06:16 PM
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Yes I’m aware I’m talking about the fact that even though women work full time and pretty much as much as men, they do more unpaid labor that the men in their lives depend on like child care and house work lmao that’s been my point the WHOLE TIME the studies I’ve used do account for both omg
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 02:16 PM
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That’s almost a decade old piece the new data has shown women’s burden grew including their work hours. Mine is more recent and the gap in unpaid work in 4.9 hours for women and 3.8 for men. Here’s an even more recent one showing it’s still been unbalanced and worse so during Covid https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11150-020-09502-1 Let’s also talk about how women are more likely to take hours off work to handle child care then their husbands. As well as caring for aging parents (their …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:35 PM
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Here! https://www.forbes.com/sites/maggiegermano/2019/03/27/women-are-working-more-than-ever-but-they-still-take-on-most-household-responsibilities/ Here’s a relevant quote “However, while women are more educated and more employed than ever, they are still taking on most of the household and familial duties. And it’s not just about chores and childcare; women are also much more likely to be the ones who care for sick or elderly family members. Although working mothers spend more time on work, ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 01:18 PM
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Nah it significantly increases when a female partner makes more even when the men are working. Oh fun fact it also increases chance of divorce by 33%. Men who’s female partners make more also feel more stressed about that fact. wow men just can’t handle women making more money. Soft egos I guess. Hilarious because all the things this guy complains about in his opinion piece are things mine and other fathers have always done when they had more money 🙄 It’s really societies fault, can’t blame men …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:45 PM
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Then I’m sure you can share said citation
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:42 PM
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Those examples were fallouts of relationships where there were major commitments made 😂 like birthing a child or marriage. Not to mention child support is really for the kids. Love how men are so pressed they have to help provide for a child they brought in to this world lmao. Hope you’re pro choice with that attitude Also wow that “citation” is a joke. femoid.com seems very very unbiased and like they’re totally not just sharing an opinion 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:23 PM
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Can’t help but wonder why men are twice as likely to cheat if their female partner makes more money than them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:22 PM
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Those studies don’t account for housework and child care of which women still do twice as luck as men every when they both work :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:21 PM
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Except men don’t provide protection and provisions anymore since we can do that. So I guess aside from Sperm y’all don’t bring anything else if you aren’t fun to be around. We’re not getting resources from men we get our own that’s the point lol Lol child support because if you don’t live with your kid you should have to care for them financially lolololol dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 04:23 AM
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Relationships are trades. Don’t pretend you don’t get anything from a partner snd you’re the only one giving anything lol Love how women’s desire for independence has to still be insidious and revolve around slighting men. My guy. Buddy. The point was to not have to deal with y’all, not to make it harder lmao. Women’s choices don’t revolve around men. Like damn
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/21 12:00 AM
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Idk how to quantify this but, not much? It wouldn’t even make the top 5 much less the top 10 traits Idk I haven’t really had the chance to reject someone over height so maybe like 5’5? Idk Somewhere between 5’7-6ft. Uh I think 5’5? 6’5 only once. Too tall honestly. 5’9
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:25 PM
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I literally just talked about how I have friends who are with not conventionally attractive guys and that was your takeaway mkay
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 09:12 PM
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Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by your comment? What my point is is that the things most women actually value in a relationship are not being tall and handsome. It’s the soft skills. If you’re conventionally attractive and lack the soft skills you fare worse than someone who isn’t or is less attractive but has those skills. I have friends who are married to guys who I wouldn’t call sexy but are so attractive because of who they are. Guys who are shorter, chubbier, bald or balding. All the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 08:59 PM
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Hold on do you think tall handsome guys automatically have emotional intelligence and empathy? 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 08:38 PM
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Nah they’re definitely attractive that’s the disappointing part 😂 Specifically literally last night my best friend and I had this convo. Guy she’s dating is handsome and has all the shit y’all think are the deal breakers. I’m talking six figures works for SpaceX, 6ft plus, drives a Tesla. My friend is considering breaking up with him because he’s terrible at communicating and not terribly affectionate. Shit sucks. A trophy doesn’t keep you warm at night or comfort you when life happens or surpri…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 08:30 PM
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This is definitely true as you get older hahaha my friends and I, since about leaving college, have said casual sex with strangers or guys that you don’t know well just doesn’t have the same appeal. It’s average sex at best and you have to weigh all the cons. Pregnancy, is he a psycho, STDs, effort 😂. The general consensus within my social cuticles is that we’d rather get to know someone and have consistent casual sex like a FWB. Rather than sleep around. I only took home a few strangers once I …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 08:21 PM
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This is the perfect example of what we mean when we say teach men not to rape though hahaha. No means no not try harder. I’ve operated on that assumption my whole life if someone is playing hard to get I don’t want them anyway because they’re immature. See so easy to avoid!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 07:03 PM
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The 8% statistic has been broken down by unfounded and maliciously false lmao but you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 07:00 PM
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I want “believe” ALL victims (men included) the same way we believe victims of other crimes. I’ve had to call the police for a break in, they didn’t question my credibility or view me with incredulity. Whereas that’s a known, studied, and unfortunately prevalent issue when reporting SA to the police. That’s what #believewomen is about. My experience with the police after being raped was just additional trauma. I wouldn’t go to the again unless things improved. There are also repercussions around…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 07:00 PM
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You keep talking about common sense but not using it in fact you use a lot of fallacious reasoning in your trolling. Yes that statistic indeed exists but the greater predictor of crime is poverty, not skin color. Just so happens that more POC are in poverty. I learned this somehow in the Deep South at a private school like well over a decade ago cmon man. I also never said “men bad” either don’t be childish. Remove the emotion from the conversation and maybe it’ll be productive. What other data …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:51 PM
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I’ve already said OPs experiences are valid and that his trauma response understandable and we should withhold judging too harshly. Especially as a survivor of rape myself, I know what that headspace feels like. It’s dark. Truly maliciously false rape claims are few and far between and always unacceptable. High emotions don’t change that fact. But it is probably easier for you as a man to believe women are liars more than men are rapists. Which is also not the mysterious common sense of which yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:43 PM
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Seeing as only 25% of rapes are reported to the police and of that 25% something like… 10% make it to court and even less are prosecuted, yes. This might blow your mind but quite often perps get away with their crimes lol. Especially when it comes to intimate violence and DV. Personal incredulity is not a logical rebuttal nor is it “common sense”. You can’t just throw out decades of consistent data because it hurts your feelings my man
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:40 PM
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Also what power of a rape accusation? Lol rapists rarely ever even see a court room much less jail. If I’m ever raped again and don’t manage to kill him myself, I surely won’t be calling the cops they’re useless. I’ve got family in the swamps that are more reliable
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:35 PM
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I’m sorry that feelings don’t trump statistics my friend. Neither is what you’re displaying “common sense.” By any definition lol you just seem perplexed that that many men could be rapists. Man have I got news for you, and so does history lol https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics Again not sure why you’re bringing up false rape claims when I didn’t in my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:32 PM
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Citation please Also probably because most women don’t know many other women who haven’t been sexually assaulted or raped lol. It’s not hard to believe it when you’ve lived it and witnessed it 🤷🏼‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:30 PM
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Did I bring up false rape accusations? As well if it’s BS please provide your proof to back that up lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:19 PM
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Sure see a lot more men whining about not being able to find a date than women. Anyway here’s a semi recent article with links that do backup women are less worried about finding a life partner to complete them than men. Very common among women I know, myself included. Love my SO and spending my life with someone would be fun but I think spending my life with my bffs would be equally fun. Women derive emotional fulfillment from platonic relationships whereas men typically don’t. Expansion the di…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:14 PM
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Why are you dating 100s of women who act like teenagers lol my guy that seems unproductive. I only ever saw teens abd young 20s act that way. Sure in reality some did and then we moved on. One of my closest guy friends is one of those. He ended up dating another girl while we took a break on our friendship so he could move on, and I went to his wedding a few years back :) Crushes don’t last forever. I’m sorry that you don’t see women platonically. You’re missing out on a female friends perspecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:09 PM
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If not working and being a dependent is so great then why don’t men step back and let women support them? Because I’ve seen the idea of the vehemently opposed by a lot of men lol I gotta say I’ve worked some tough jobs. Like 14 hour days on oil rigs, and a week of that was less tiring than watching my sisters 3 kids alone for a week. I’d take work over kids 24/7 and house hold chores every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:04 PM
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Men still treating their marriages like they have a SAHW is mens fault not feminism lol. If you and your partner both work, then the DAILY and weekly recurring household and childcare activities must be split evenly. You can’t get out of doing dishes or cooking just because you mow the lawn once a week, meals happen daily. For an example. ^ There’s a myriad of studies showing working married moms are still doing twice as much of the child care and house work as their spouses. That’s just outrage…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 06:02 PM
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I think this hits the nail on the head. Referring to women as gatekeepers in a bitter way also makes me a bit unsettled lol like the person saying that wishes they could just demand relationships. I agree it says more about the dating pool. When my girl friends complain about the men they’re trying to date it’s never about dick size, or height, or money (unless they’re like broke broke and mooching). It’s always things like “he can’t communicate” or “he doesn’t try to socialize” or “he lacks emo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:57 PM
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I literally never talk about other men around men I’m interested in because that seems terribly off putting I mean the girl in question here is an awful person but I’ve definitely had and still have close guy friends I talk to maybe not daily but a few days a week. In college a texted a lot more of them daily because we just had more time/more plans lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:52 PM
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His assault experience is valid. Him drawing sweeping conclusions about women as a whole from it is also a familiar trauma response. Lots of rape/SA victims throw up mental walls to protect themselves and demonize the ones who hurt them. It’s “normal” as a response but still something that should be worked through with a therapist if possible. Even “minor” SA like groping can be damaging His other conclusions that don’t surround his SA experience just seem like unfettered anger tbh. But I try to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:48 PM
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There is not a 50/50 split on sexual assault/sexual violence. Domestic Violence sure, women are more likely to be emotionally abusive and that is 100% abuse and 0% acceptable. But sexual assault is not a 50/50 split over 95% of perps are male
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:46 PM
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At lot of women are choosing not to these days lol ICYMI there was a recent study by a behaviorist that showed unmarried childless women were happiest. I’d rather be single than married to a man who acts like it’s the 20s lol. I’m glad my SO is a whole ass independently functioning adult, our relationship is well balanced and I wouldn’t accept anything less! We shouldn’t have to be grateful to find a man who contributes equally/equitably to the relationship/home. That’s like the bare minimum exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:44 PM
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I can’t read the article because of the paywall or whatever but maybe the women are having sex with each other? Did they account for that at all lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:36 PM
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Im responding to someone who said “women are trying to become men” I didn’t realize I was under some immense burden of proof rather than meeting their inane comment with some snark :) I’m also not really misinformed, I double majored in psych for shits and giggles (and it’s good for sales lol) so I enjoy reading social psych studies. Of which’s there’s a lot of studies that show women who are childless BY CHOICE (huge key factor here. Women who wanted children and couldn’t have them are NOT gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:25 PM
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Yeah they did! Women wanted their own agency pretty much throughout history and we’ve only recently (decades) gotten that in a meaningful way. Not sure what’s wrong with wanting independence from men lol Also I’m generally referring to the last few decades in America as that is the sociology I’m most familiar with
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:13 PM
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Yeah I’ve read that before and there was actually no causal link proposed in that poll. It wasn’t much of a study, more a collection of self reporting. And if I remember correctly it’s from 2011. There’s been a lot more studies since and with a cursory search I can’t find any in the last 5 years to support the one from 2011. There’s also a general mid life slump in the 40s that’s shown across both genders and is pretty consistent. Also happens in chimps and orangutans which is neat! Anyway that’…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:10 PM
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I think it’s kinda silly to try and prove it either way. I pretty much only whip it out when someone tries to imply women need specifically men as partners to not be lonely. I think people are now more open about the non “traditional” ways of life that bring them fulfillment and so people just want to talk more about it. That also freaks out the people who don’t like change or things that are different or feelin like their choices aren’t the “best” of not everyone desires the same. I think peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/21 05:51 AM
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I haven’t been asked how many people I’ve slept with since I was 20 (29 now). Nor have I ever asked lol only people I’ve talked to about how many we’ve slept with were my girl friends over wine 😂😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 11:53 PM
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I mean a few decades ago you were though. It’s only very recent that women entered the workforce and have had meaningful income. My grandfathers were expected to provide for their wives and my grandmothers were expected to pop out babies and make a nice home. My dad raised me to be independent and supported me going in to a male dominated industry and all that jazz. But he still says things alluding to me needing a man so he can die and not worry about who’s taking care of me even though I’ve li…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:53 PM
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Idk there was more than one study, I believe, that showed unmarried, childless women, were happiest. Supposedly due to us having large supportive networks outside of relationships. I’ve never felt lonely in my life and I’ve been single more than I’ve been in a relationship. At this point most of my lady friends and have had talks about how yeah it would be amazing to have a life partner but honestly, could be happy without it too because we have each other lol. You don’t need a romantic relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:46 PM
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The fact men have become less appealing to us as we have gained equality and independence is really a hit against men not women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:41 PM
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People aren’t going to be asking out the creepy dudes who blow up women’s DMs with inappropriate messages though. That’ll never go away
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/20 03:59 PM
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Women orgasm at a significantly lower rate than the men they’re having sex with though. Just because women are more vocal doesn’t mean they’re enjoying it more lmao women are more vocal than men in general. Also have you not watched porn? Women are conditioned in to thinking being loud and vocal is what they’re supposed to do when they orgasm. This isn’t new news either. Also not sure where you get this idea women have no performance pressure, another pretty laughable thought. Everyone gets perf…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/20 09:32 PM
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I’m aware that I and probably almost no one else does this. The only time I’ve noticed people going for more attractive people than before is sometimes after weight loss. Since that’s a less subjective area of “beauty” for both men and women. And it makes sense there because if you’re fat you’re not going to attract tons of fit much more attractive people. The makeup bit just doesn’t make any sense. The amount or way I do my makeup has never affected my choice in men. Except I tend to date men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 10:05 PM
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This should honestly be standard practice if you’re deciding to have sex without condoms. It’s always been my standard practice once monogamy is on the table. Condoms stay unless we’re both tested. It shouldn’t all be offensive to anyone. Safe sex is great sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:40 PM
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I have found that a large income disparity seems to be a bigger issue with men when they’re the lower earners. From personal experience and some other studies I’ve read. So in terms of income I really prefer to date someone close to mine, be it lower or higher. Or At least average salary, because then the gap is less pronounced. Median income for an area means you’re at least not struggling. When it comes to career I think that matters more because I think your chosen career says a lot more abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 08:02 PM
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Because we don’t think the way you think we do. That’s why it’s a concept not being grasped. It’s non existent
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 06:19 PM
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Human beings act in their own self interests. What a shocking revelation you’ve stumbled upon 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:55 PM
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Lol what? How I look from day to day doesnt change who I’m attracted to. What a bizarre line of thinking honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/20 05:38 PM
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You’re not quite right about that. Multiple studies have shown working moms are diagnosed with depression less often than stay at home moms. https://www.today.com/parents/stay-home-moms-more-depressed-working-moms-study-finds-780696
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