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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
6	An alternate perspective	Social Issues	ineedhelporange	/r/MensRights	04/10/17 11:48 PM

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1	An alternate perspective Considering that alot of domestic violence studies find that men make up at least 40% of abuse victims sometimes more than 50%, this becomes a problem. I've never heard of the Duluth model before, but I'll take a look at it. I will say though that I wasn't really aware of that. I understand now why you guys feel the need to speak out about this, and I'll admit I never really thought about that before either. But I do still feel it is because of a lack of education, or rather the way someone is r…	/r/MensRights	06/10/17 08:23 PM
-1	An alternate perspective Again, I don't want to denote too much time to responding to your statements because they are just not intelligent but I'll leave you with this thought. I'm not going to walk you through the status of women in the West because that will just take too long... but first of all your opinion of women being 'given' an easy life is so ridiculous I don't even know where to start. You sound like a Christian trying to defend slavery by saying slaves have been given an easy life, but that's besides the po…	/r/MensRights	06/10/17 06:07 PM
1	An alternate perspective So I can't say the sky is blue as a fact because there hasn't been any study confirming the sky is blue? That is self evident-a priori, your other statement is a posteriori.	/r/MensRights	06/10/17 05:54 PM
1	An alternate perspective That's just your hypothesis though. Just because you hypothesize something, doesn't mean it's automatically true. It may be a reasonable hypothesis to draw in your mind, but you still can not confirm it or consider it fact until you've actually seen it carried out, and seen studies confirm it. If you do not follow this model then I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree and end this discussion because that is the model I use. This is besides the point, but I actually don't agree with this D…	/r/MensRights	06/10/17 03:31 AM
-1	An alternate perspective What? People who say things you don't like? When I am trying to understand another side of an argument, whether I like something or not is not my focus. In order to be successful in this, it's important to set aside biases and preconceived notions to try and walk in another's shoes, specifically the shoes of someone I may not exactly have been to ecstatic to walk in. The point is, what's important to me is the veracity of statements, I am not forming opinions on them. If I did, it wouldn't reall…	/r/MensRights	06/10/17 12:07 AM
2	An alternate perspective All of it makes me wish that two sides really came to the same table with the goals of equality, rather than power grabs and cheap shots. I could not agree more!! The other day I saw something on circumcision being included on a list of ways females enjoy privileges that men don't it and made me wonder why we are pitted against eachother when we (most of the reasonable one's, there are radicals on both sides) have the same goal. Like I said in response to that: you guys may be fighting against m…	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 11:47 PM
1	An alternate perspective it won’t be men bringing up anecdotal evidence of rare situations. Lol looks like you were wrong on this one In many cultures and nations women dominated men and could exploit them. For example, in ancient Rome the household was run entirely by the women (though the property was legally that of the man's). Same goes for ancient Greece. While women lacked much of the powers men had, they could easily manipulate them around the home. Consider how much power you have just by appointing who cooks fo…	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 11:42 PM
-1	An alternate perspective This simply isn't true. It's a good thing there were so many other thoughtful, intelligent, and well-backed up comments on here or I would have left having a worse image of this movement than when I entered. After reading somethings other people have said I see/understand things in a different way, and realize it's not just black and white. But it's people like you that I would say are an embarrassment to your movement and holding it back. I'm not saying you said anything terrible or offensive, …	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 11:36 PM
1	A detailed list of female privileges Fair enough. You're right in that in this part of the world females are entitled to genital integrity, (in other parts of the world they aren't). But the reason I don't agree with this is because I don't feel this is actually helping the cause. I didn't read everything else on that list but you do realize that circumcision is a product of abrahamic religion, which is a product of patriarchal societies? I don't see how comparing yourself to women in this scenario will help in anyway, rather you s…	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 11:17 PM
1	An alternate perspective And in Bonobos females are dominant. I'm not sure what your point is? I wasn't saying male chimpanzees are dominant to reinforce that human males are dominant or create any relationship between the two. I was saying this to show you that species have sexual hierarchies and provide an example. Unlike in humans, child rearing in chimps doesn't give you control of a society. With humans, you can brainwash the children. Again, not using this as an argument to define which species has control over a …	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 10:53 PM
1	An alternate perspective Well it isn't actually those boys that are the one's that are perpetuating this practice, so in this case specifically the cycle of abuse wouldn't be my best guess. These boys are often from a lower class called Hazara's, or just poor in general, and the men are affluent men, so unless they were abused in a different way, it wouldn't be cyclic, since they wouldn't have ever been sex slaves. I do think it relates back to the misogyny but in a weird way it circles around badly enough that it ends …	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 10:44 PM
1	An alternate perspective hmm so you don't believe in the concept of an inherently dominant sex? Like as far as it pertains to humans? It's not really my area of expertise, so my knowledge on the subject is limited, but I know due to sexual selection most species have a dominant sex, basically whichever sex has the sexual advantage. If a female can prevent forceful mating (when the female is stronger than the male or can prevent it in some other way) then she is dominant due to the power to choose a mate, and if she cann…	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 10:30 PM
1	An alternate perspective I meant biologically though. From an ecological perspective. Not dominant as in being better at something or being stronger at something. I mean in general, most species have a dominant sex and a weaker sex. In primitive societies humans are less intelligent and more likely to succumb to their more animalistic instincts. Which is why in my opinion these societies tend to be patriarchal.	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 07:16 PM
1	An alternate perspective sorry! I meant to say instinctually*	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 06:08 PM
1	An alternate perspective If you're taking that angle, then I think it is clear that instintually, males are the dominant sex. The problem is we are not animals and our sense of morality can transcend above our instinct. Women outside of the West are actually far more violent than women in the West. Which cultures/countries are you speaking of and what violence specifically? This is the first time I'm hearing of this notion.	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 04:40 AM
1	An alternate perspective You made some great points in your post. First, it's definitely possible women can be raping boys, but I don't think this goes under the category of sexual assault, which I was referring to, I would consider that to be sexual abuse. If it's women raping men, then that is different and I don't think I ever said or implied that this doesn't happen? I did say it doesn't happen in the communities towards which I focus my feministic efforts towards, which holds true. So it's funny you mention Afghani…	/r/MensRights	05/10/17 04:01 AM
1	A detailed list of female privileges 3 is because of religion not feminism	/r/MensRights	04/10/17 10:59 PM