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Nope i match energy, I'm nice to him since he is nice to me.Hence why i agreed to be his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 08:41 PM
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I do much better than average women because I do in fact hate men. Average women are just disappointed in them and still need their validation for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 11:04 AM
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Yeaah...that's just psychopathy. I just dont trust men, don't organize my life around their wants or neeeds and reduce their presence in my life to a minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 01:31 PM
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I do not have dark triad traits i m just not agreeable nor do I care about the reasons why you have bad behaviors. You have asshole tendencies, i cut you out. I dont care that it was because of your childhood trauma, i dont have to suffer for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:34 AM
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I do, I'm just self aware enough to realize admitting to people twice my size and strenght that I overall dont like them isn't a smart move.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:34 AM
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Im the bichiest of all my friends and the one who got married first. I suspect precisely because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 03:37 AM
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Being a misandrist but being quiet about it/pretending to be a pick me in public worked wonders for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 03:24 AM
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I mean, that's the whole point. Women are talking about the men who are transactional in their approach. The podcasts bros opened the pandora box with the with the "what do men get from relationship beside pussy" but women aint stupid and know many men would do many things just for pussy. Here we are now. There are plenty of normal women ready to split costs though. But they might be older than 25 or not skinny or with a kid. That's up to men to decide who they choose to court and get into relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:33 PM
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How often.do those things actually need to be done ? The main problem mostly is that too many men are just unpleasant to be around. Some women are ready to tolerate it for a hefty price. Others would rather stay alone until they found a pleasant man
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:30 PM
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I see them as people who exploit people in more unfortunate situations than they are. It'd be okay if they were just finding a wife. But many come to Colombia to live the fast life at a quarter of a price. They slowely turning Medellin into an open air brothels, they date minors and they presence drove the cost of living up. They also can't seem to adapt to the culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 05:46 PM
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It always was. In religious circles, sex before marriage is a terrible sin.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 04:41 PM
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I am indeed not interested in arguing about things I have not said.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 05:48 PM
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No i have not complained generalizations
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 03:38 AM
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Complaining about generalization about one gender on a sub that talks about gender dynamics in broad terms is quite disingenuous
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 01:01 AM
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Nice cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:28 PM
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No, women don't leave as soon as the man doesn't do what they want. They leave when crucial needs aren't met.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:16 PM
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I've answered tho. It's mostly that I can see that you're talking to be right, not to challenge your ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:15 PM
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Fair enough, my experience has been different
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:13 PM
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Because either the woman's requests were unreasonable and they still unreasonable wether she breaks up or not. And he shouldn't change his behavior after the breakup. Or they were in fact, justified and the man was just profiting off the fact she was tolerating poor treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:05 PM
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No, women choose to stay or not depending on wether they overall fine with their arrangement with the guy/the compromise they came up with as a couple. Doing it after being broken up with does send the message that the man was wrong for not doing it though. And makes the woman even more done with the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:53 PM
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It does not say they should do it, it states that they do once we are done. They're free to do whatever they want though and women are free to react accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 09:44 PM
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It does not. That's your own incorrect interpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:59 PM
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I've rarely seen actual strategizing outside of a few conflictual relationships. Usually men take the woman not caring and therefore not complaining as putting on a happy face while it was detachment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 08:29 PM
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That's because men are more likey to date younger women than the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:41 PM
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Except most relationships are strictly monogamous and cheating is the main reason for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:04 PM
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Nobody here said they should. The projection is real in that comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 07:03 PM
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I think this happens because There is a tendency for men to frantically do everything we asked for once we break up in order to mend the relationship which gives the idea that they in fact knew there weren't behaving correctly but just couldn't be arsed until they got real consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 06:05 PM
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It's not done conciously though. It's weird I just woke up one day and ran out of fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:55 PM
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I think women see the breakup coming so they start the grieving process earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:50 PM
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We've been telling them for years. They like to think they can compensate that with money. Which is true to some extent. But obviously the young women they stumble upon tend to have daddy issues or want money. That's why they think all women are golddiggers with mental issues
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 05:48 PM
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First example describes in fact, a very subjective situation. Many men don't care and in fact do tell the women around them to be suspicious of men they don't know and find it normal when other women do it to them Second woman sounds like a headache who is disagreeable herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 03:18 PM
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What happens usually are things are pretty equal then kids show up and women focus on child rearing more while the man pays more bills. You are side tracking though. The fact is most women aren't okay with polygamy outside of sugar baby arrangements.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:40 PM
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Most couples split bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:11 PM
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That's factually incorrect considering most relationships are between people of similar income and there is a growing trend of women out earning their partners. That's how most women you are interested in think.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:41 PM
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"What do you think about objective truth when it comes to things like this? Imagine your partner is claiming something that is objectively untrue, do you think they can accuse you of not being agreeable just because you won't accept them believing in something that's false? Do you think its ethical behaviour to just ghost/leave in such a situation instead of having a constructive argument?" Could you give an example of where you have stated an objective truth to a woman and she got offended ? Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:38 PM
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The point I was making is in a sugar baby situation, feelings are not involved, sexual pleasure either. As long as she gets money in exchange of her time and pussy, she doesn't care. That's not the same when less tangible things are exchanged.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 01:00 PM
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"But also there seems to be something ignored here. Sometimes people are lonely, because they are saying the truth, that most others don't want to hear" That's true, and that's when social intelligence comes into play. Sometimes it's worth it to say the uncomfortable truth, sometimes it's not. And sometimes the happy middle is to say the truth diplomatically. And typically, when we say read the room it means "it's not necessary to ask Lily, the host who cooked us a nice meal and who is insecure …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 12:58 PM
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That's a transactional relationship though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:16 AM
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I'd say low agreeableness is why men are lonely though. Regardless of morality it's just more pleasant to be around agreeable people. So those who score low at that trait will have a harder time socially. There isn't much we can do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 11:02 AM
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This. And they never say what are the real issues
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 10:57 AM
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In big cities it does absolutely nothing. It's easy to hide your buisness. My sluttiest friendstopped counting at 14 but tell all her serious prospects that he is her 3rd body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:01 PM
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So many of you confuse new relationship energy and love. The former disappears after a few years the latter grows with time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 02:05 PM
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The progressives usually support stuff like free childcare and surrogates. Basically though it's not explicitely say it they think the state should do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 11:34 AM
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I'd say industrialization and capitalism create societies that only value productive people and high achievers. All the house chores and child rearing chores are seen as tasks that distract you from accomplishing those higher goals. Progressives want women to be freed from those lowely positions and traditional people think women's duty is to ddo them so men can focus on the important stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:16 AM
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think it's demeaning to submit to their husband, cook, clean or be nurturing. That's true and that's because society as a whole looks down on that work. Men and women alike. Republicans and Democrats alike. Religious and Atheists alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 07:39 PM
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There is a balance between dating someone your age and dating a repulsive 60 years old. If you are 20 and in college a 25 years old at the beginning of his profesional career is good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 11:05 AM
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yes this one is common. I personally avoid doing it unless the guy didn't accept a clear "no thanks" then i consider that's on him
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:31 AM
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most women are okay with saying "im not interested sorry" or "i have a boyfriend sorty". From the way you talk here i can tell you are unpleasant to be around. You probably trigger their safety alarm. That's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:26 AM
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I dont consider that investing. There is a difference between dating a young doctor doing his residency and a solud carreer plan and investing time and energy into someone who is struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:22 AM
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There is no need for him to be much older.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 02:17 AM
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A guy is going to have more patience with a woman who "invested" in him rather than the one who squandered her youth and fertility This a lie. The best strategy for a woman is to marry early with a man who is aldready established. Not waste her youth on a project nor fucking random people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:20 PM
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Personally, I think profesional context aside, any public space is okay to approach as long as you are polite. However once the woman tells you she is not interested,accept the rejection. Don't insist, negociate or even worse become aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 07:06 PM
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I don't. But I do believe men are less good at interpersonal relationships for both biological and socialization reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:49 AM
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Define average ? Are you just talking about looks ? I mean, usually those women get rich/high social status average looking men I guess.But in that case nobody is dating down they both bring what the other want in high quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:43 PM
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That'd be poetic justice but no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:16 PM
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Why should you, as an average guy get a 10/10 woman ?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:06 PM
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I doubt the woman not wanting to eat at cheesecake factory and the one crying about being lonely are the same demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 08:11 PM
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I'm married actually. Nothing in my original comment indicated my marital status so you are just jumping to interesting conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:50 AM
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I surprisingly quite agree with the list except the first one is more like trying the crushing guilt of doing anything remotely wrong. And last one, well in fact you are right but it's not so much as racism as trying to seek compatibility through cultural familiarity. I differenciate it from racism because those men aren't seen as less than. There are memes in every languages about the other traits so there is no need to say it's not true. This sub is full of agressivity though so it makes conve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:00 AM
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I'm not saying it's working. I'm saying that's what they trying to do. At least during debates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:16 PM
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None of that changes the fact that a woman doing a hard job is often treated as heroic and a man doing a hard job is treated as doing “the bare minimum” And I'll give you that one. Traces back to gender role. Taking care of my child 24/7 is the least I could do. Husband spending 10 minutes with the infant is "such a great dad".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:15 PM
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the traits that are almost iron clad consistent What are those traits ? ​ Relationships work when there are healthy levels of sexual dimorphism and expressions of such. True and I'd argue western people are not good at this. ​ Babe, could you grab me a beer while you’re up? Could turn into an entire gender studies lecture with many of them, even though you just took out 75lbs of trash and recycling without being asked. I see those attitude online not in real life I’m not sure why you are here tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:10 PM
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I mean, I was grossed out at 18 when 30 year olds tried to chat me up and I'm grossed out now at almost 28 when45 year olds come up to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:50 PM
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Woman while having her Latte in bed while the man scrambles to go on his 2 hour commute (she needs to be near her besties): “OMG! You’re so gross! I’m not your mother! Clean up after yourself! We both work!” Women like to bring this shit up as if women are out there working taxing jobs on oil rigs or working construction, but are actually doing stress free desk jobs or selling real estate on the weekends and trying to claim it’s all equal because “job” Once again you prove that when you guys tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:44 PM
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The fact that you can only see the masculine / feminine dynamic through the lense of money says more about you than anything else. I don't, but it is a non negligeable factor. Saying this with ease as I was in fact the breadwinner for a long time in my relationship, being the one with the strong passport and all. Men kept telling me I was the dude in the relationship and to leave him for them. And don’t even try with that “there’s no difference” between Asian / Lat Am and White Western Women hor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:38 PM
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In the west, women work so they deal with the socks and the long work hours. Being a stay at home wife is a shit deal in the West if the man doesn't make enough money to provide a middle class lifestyle. it's better to just work myself and not have to deal with his socks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:08 PM
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UMC woman traditional relationships are still the norm That's been my experience as well. these men are having to leave because they can't find us They look for you guys everywhere but at church or the library.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:03 PM
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​ I was using the terms metaphorically How convenient, I'd be inclined to believe it if your ideology didn't constantly portray relationships as transactional. you don’t have enough money to “buy” western women’s affection You don't need money to buy western women's affection. You need money to upkeep a traditional lifestyle aka man having the masculine provider role and woman having the feminine nuturer role. In the West, this costs more and is unrealistic for most people. 1 stale sandwich Cute…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:00 PM
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The fact that you use the word “afford” already means that western women at this level approach everything as a quid pro quo transaction, which automatically makes them cunty imo. You refer to them as "products" and compare their "quality" as if they were goods. I'm adapting to your transactional language. ​ Pleasant, agreeable, thin women get married early leaving the vapid thots and combative buttergolems to choose from in the west. And those men couldn't compete so these women didn't marry th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:34 PM
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yes they want women to just accept to live in poverty with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:18 PM
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that's true for the activities bring back bals and bridge parties
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:08 PM
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This has not been my experience the few men and women I know who did this were just shunned from the community in the same way (people wouldn't want them in their inner circles anymore)...As they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:57 PM
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should we ban tinder ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:53 PM
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And now passport bros are ruining it for the local men in the countries they go to. Interesting how it's going to pan out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:48 PM
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The "word vomit" was the same sentence repeated three times. But I guess that's aldready too much for you. hot (but cunty) western women, why would they pay 10x the price for a product that is 5x worse? That's a bad faith argument, since I'm talking about the same "quality" of women. And they can't afford that quality in the West. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:46 PM
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I'm great, what about you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:35 PM
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The first thing that com.es to my mind when one says mail order bride is an easter european woman actually. I'm talking about women living outside what we consider the developped world ( so USA, Canada, Western Europe, Australia, East Asia). These men come to these countries because they hvae an economic advantage there and can get young attractive women they wouldn't get in their home countries. These women accept those men because that foreign income will allow them to live well in their home …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:33 PM
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I agree but once again the vocal majority ruined it for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:28 PM
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I mean OP, linked a study saying those mariages create life changing opportunities for those brides. And it's not racism, as race isn't part of the equation, those women come from quite different countries
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:25 PM
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Such women exist in the West, is just that passport bros can't afford them. Edit : fixed the repetitions
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:20 PM
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The stereotype is true though, their life gets more comfortable with those men. Wether they stay in their country or move to the Us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:06 PM
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My point is neither gender was lied to. We running in circles though. Let's just agree to disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:24 PM
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I mean some men who left still say that on tiktok. Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it doesn't apply to all passport bros. ​ I'm not mad, life is so much better. That's what matters. I wish you a happy life !
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:19 PM
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why wouldn’t we leverage this Indeed, why wouldn't you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:17 PM
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If it was the case they wouldn't bring it up everytime we discussing gender dynamics always something along the lines of "well if you guys don't want to do it we can go abroad and get what we want and you guys can't because only western men have the ressources to date y'all". They'd just focus on moving and spoiling their kind foreign wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:15 PM
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, abroad they are thoughtful, caring, pleasant to be around and loyal My point is that they only like that with passport bros not everyone. they certainly don't have those kind of unrealistic standards What is seen as normal in the West is seen as unrealistic in other countries. For example having a house with running hot water is seen as a luxury in some country. If you have that as your standard as the type of house you want if you're in a developping country, you are in fact, quite demanding.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:11 PM
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aren't getting turned down over the silliest things like not being 6 ft 4, 6 figures or having a jawline and looking like a male model Chris Hemsworth type guy Fair enough. I just wonder if these men realize though that, women in those countries are just as picky for their country's standards of living. American men just happen to be tall for SEAor LATAM, earn ten times what the local men earn and unless they're bald and fat, are seen as being automatically attractive if they're caucasian. My po…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:54 PM
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you might have an abundance of options but so do we" Do they though ? Western Women don't struggle with lack of options when they date overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:45 PM
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It seems like some men are using this "passport bro" trend to provoke fear into Western Women to get them to accept to change their standards. And this is why it gets a bad rep. Otherwise, I think most wouldn't care as these men are either not attractive to them or are attractive but have traditional values that would make them clash in the long term. I'm quite interested on what the recation of men from the countries they taking women from will be. I've seen that in Medellin, there is a growing…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:23 PM
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Sighs : the argument is : we have been lied to because media said our deeds were the most important thing to get women. My answer is : it makes no sense to use pop medias to educate yourself and even then cinema is"a show don't tell artform" those medias portrayed reality which are that looks AND good deeds are important. All those guys are in media are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:00 PM
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Well maybe it's just the people who surround me but everyone I know would look down on people who abandon their spouse when times get tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:53 PM
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You weren't lied to, you guys just missed the (very obvious imo) subtext.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:10 PM
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Well if he won't give her said security yes it makes sense to the dump the boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:06 PM
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Should he remain in a marriage where HIS physical needs are not being met? Yes. That's kind of what the commitment of mariage implies when the situation isn't in the spouse's control. Not only this wouldn't fly in the exact situation where genders are switched it wouldn't fly for a situation where the needs would cater to the so cammed "woman's biological urges". Ex : Should she leave now that he can't work and provide for her ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:58 PM
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Your point being? Women still act on those ideas until they reach their 30s and can't do it anymore so really what is your point?? My point being thatt though, it is never explicitely said, women are very much aware they need to look as pretty as they can. Hence why they spend so much or looking good. That nerd who gets the girl in the movies, we all noticed that he wanted the hot girl and not the fat but kind nerdy girl at the back of the class. It's like you guys missed half of the subtext. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:16 PM
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I can see that. It's quite amusing
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:05 PM
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why wouldn't I ?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:35 AM
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My husband grew up in LATAM and had to survive through shit in his youth most "masculine men TM" of the west never will have to. Hence his habit of carrying a knife arround. His family appartment is near a colombian hood actually, and I could hear gunshots coming from there when I sat in his childhood bedroom when I visited his family. Cat calling little teenagers from an american "hood" are barely a threat when you grew up in such conditions. That's also why he is a feminist, he absolutely hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:55 AM
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Why would they blackpill kids like that? There is a difference between saying "looks matter" and "looks are all that matter". If you're good looking but a complete asshole, people will be tired of you eventually especially since beauty fades. If you are not good looking, it's still better to have a nice personality because it may make you likeable. You have to accept that you will have to make more effeorts than hot people though. Most people are average though, and nice clothing style and good …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:50 AM
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What does that have to do with believing that being nice and kind and romantic and soft are important traits in a man? Because this is true women do want this...from attractive men. It's like you guys focused on half of what was necessary. sexually inexpressive in order not to offend women that nothing ever happens. You were taught that women didn't want to be sexually pursued ? ​ Those boy bands, they don't swear, they don't advocate violence (usually), they tend to have a lot of romantic balla…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:18 AM
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For most people, a muscular arm looks more masculine without a tattoo This isn't true. Masculinity doesn't need any sort of assistance or adornment. Also not true considering the make up/tats/masks warriors used to make themselves look scarier. Besides, people with confidence are more likely to ignore than follow stupid fads Not a trend where we live (Paris). Y'all are being nitpicky for no reason. Named a bunch of things I see as masculine in my husband. Y'all picked one thing that you don't de…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:41 AM
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I don't know, why don't you ask our mothers and grandmothers and aunts and teachers and the feminists who peddle these same messages in real life? I don't think they were lying, they left the out loud part out which is "first entry point is attractiveness". Mostly because this goes without saying for women. Anyways when I saw all those movies I always noted that when the dude could be anything from a bit ugly to "good looking but a bit awkard" the girls were always hot. but it's echoing the very…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 03:30 AM
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I have not met a single women fond of those things as if it is the biggest turn off. I'm one of those, I tend to hide it in my daily life. You'd have to really know me to be aware of this. To the outside world I'm just a basic bitch who likes fashion and eating out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:36 AM
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Every single media that have romance as a subplot will have this blue pill idea where the man is appreciated by his deeds That's true, but why is media used as place where you should take life lessons ? Is it a "lie" or just a bunch of nerdy men writing their fantasy on how they wish the world should be ? . Those stories are also full of people who end up being rewarded and having a nice life because they were good people and had the power of friendship. And of people pursuing their passions and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:26 AM
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I think too many confluate empathy and caring about other people or being a good person. Empathy just means you're able to put yourself in somebody else's shoes and understand how they'd feel. This can be used to be manipulative or to be helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:16 AM
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Which is essentially my point. I guess I'm struggling getting what your point is. The OP asked why don't women feminists just date male feminists. My answer was that they do and men who aren't feminist struggle in places where women are more liberal and feminits. So I don't really understand what you trying to say with all your stats. We agree. Conservative people date eachother. Liberal people date eachother. Problems arises when is from one group and lives in an area where the other group is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 02:07 AM
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Okay but that was such an entertaining, immersive reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:42 AM
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He shouldn't
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:24 AM
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In the South, Midwest, and rural areas plenty of women are into conservative guys. Whereas in urban cities Those places have conservative women. There's tons of liberal men who are maidenless especially in places like Silicon Valley and Seattle. There is a gender imbalance in those places
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:26 AM
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sure a muscular arm with a fire tattoo is peak femininty
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:30 PM
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It may depend on where you live too. If you are in a conservative state or country, or if your close circle is conservative, it may be actually be hard to date as a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 08:01 PM
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I wonder if maybe people posting here are assuming feminist men are FEMININE? My husband looks like a burly lumberjack. He basically embodies masculine. This, my husband is ready to physically fight all the misogynists for me. He recently called out a man for touching my afro hair without permission. Other than that, he is it into sports, has his all right arm tattooted, goes to the gym, and walks around with a knife just in case (I find this one a bit extreme) and was considering joining the ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:55 PM
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Also where is this dichotomy between masculine and feminist even coming from ? My husband could build a house and would fight to protect me and is also a feminist. For people who supposedly are outside of the matrix, so many seem so out of touch with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:34 PM
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I agree but so many women won't hear it until they get burned
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:31 PM
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well if they have to lie to get dates, this shows that women in fact do date male feminists and not conservative guys when given the chance
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:31 PM
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We do but it's not that simple. First of all, people don't necessarly talk politics when they first met. If you chatting at a bar for example, you'll talk about your surroundings, music etc. Many males who identify as " male feminists " really are just men who think women should pay the bills too but hold otherwissimilar views to the tradrational men. And of course you have those men who say all the right feminism buzzwords just to fuck. Stas show though that conservative men struggle finidng ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 06:29 PM
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Simple math makes it so that men standards for what they find attractive in women creates the scarcity state they find themselves in. If all men of all ages want the same cohort of 20 years olds at all times, there will be not enough attractive women to go after, even if it's that your unique criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 10:26 PM
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yes I mean it's mostly a grand generalization I dunno how much of my fantasy is based on reality lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:33 PM
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yes it's more of a fantasy based on the few interactions I've had with them. My husband is in the tech/translation industry lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:32 PM
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Firefighters because they have a nice combination of traditionally masculine (bravery, physical strenght protection) and feminine qualities (empathy, caring, people skills)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:31 PM
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I actually feel if women were more honest with us about what they required we would be doing better I think many men cannot hear it from a woman, it hurts their feelings in a way that hearing it from a man doesn't. Same with women I'd say. Deep down they know men want attractive women. Otherwise they'd go on dates without make up and wearing hoodies. But it just hurts to hear it said plainly when you don't find yourself attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:44 PM
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it made me genuinely sad Again, call me cynical, but I'm not sad for them. Both them and the husband chose that life and seem satisfied with the outcomes of their choices. Now I understand why men think women are manipulative and lie...this patriarchal set up forces them to Yes my experienc has been the more patriarchal a society is, the most manipulative the women are and the bitchier they are to eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:16 PM
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It is though, if you spent your most active years outside the workforce, let your husband make all the major decisions, you're not going to be the most competitive on the job market and won't be as knowlegeable of worldy things if you've spent most of the time in your home. My mom tutors kids as a side hustle but she couldn't sustain herself on that income, it's basically pocket money. My husband's mom stopped her schooling in high school, and she does beauty services like manucure and hyarlunic…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:28 PM
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And there are many organisations who don't have a hierarchy. The founder of small buisnesses are usually the head of those organisations because they're the ones who had the idea to create the buisness and the ones who invested their money and ressources in the buisness. Women risk just as much if not more when they enter into any type of relationship with a man. The police units need to rake quick decisions if face of danger and do not have time to discuss things and youomitted that I said it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:23 PM
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The Bible is notoriously nebulous and people define and interpret things differently. This is evident by the countless denominations christianity has. I call the behaviors I saw cunning, those women (and men!) would tell you they're negociating and bringing up issues tactfully as said in Scriptures. Anyways, a christian isn't defined by what they do but their beliefs so if all those people believe in the main tenants of christianity (one God, Holy Trinity, Jesuis died for our sins), they are chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:17 PM
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for a long time I was "forced" to work but happy that I was with a man I chose so forced to work. Also, women always have woked unless they were from bougie families
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 12:45 PM
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I'd also like to point out it's not necessarly some type of grand councile where the family seats down and goes "so how do we fool dad today ?" . It's just everyday subtle manipulations and lies that may seem innocent when seen individually but when you look at it all together you are like "wow you guys are so deceptive." It's bumping up the price of daily necessicities so they can have more personal income to do other things. It's women acting extremely happy every time their husband does somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 12:27 PM
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That's true. It's also true people should vet to be with people with similar goals. However, just because a woman wants to have the final decision/wants a compromise doesn't mean she is disagreeable. I do not watch podcasts about this topic. I was talking in the context of this subreddit, with men saying only cooperation and no nagging and sometimes even saying they don't even want to be the one always taking the decisions. It could be used as test and I guess and it would weed out the truly dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:47 AM
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I mean it's not a secret for anyone that christian communities actually do want submission in the true sense of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 11:16 AM
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You tried to explain to me how I should understand an experience with people that I met while you didn't. I asked because your focus on "authenticity" and "not making assumptions" in conversations and insisting on taking eveything at first degree is very neurodivergent coded and usually doesn't work well with neurotypicals. I asked pubicly because it was relevant to what I planned to say afterwards and also because it's an anonymous setting so you don't risk much by answering. I
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 10:23 AM
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Also, don't get this the wrong way, but are you on the spectrum ?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:51 AM
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Because in casual settings , people are here to have a good time not attend a long lecture. That's called being adaptable, you ask people what they need, and you answer according to the need they state.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:43 AM
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All those organisations have hundreds of people. An average family has less than 10. Submission is required in big organisations where quick decisions need to be made. ​ Submission doesn't oppose cooperation. More like submissiveness requires cooperation but cooperation can exist without submissision.It all boils down to how are decisions taken in case of conflicts. Anyway, this isn't a debate about wether people should have traditional families with submissive wife or not. Inviduals will choose…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:40 AM
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I mean they lived removed from the real world for too long and have no marketable skills. So they cannot survive on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:26 AM
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Because saying you just mean cooperation and no nagging leaves the part that women don't want out. What males women recoil isn't cooperation nor no nagging, it's the man having the final say in all decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:24 AM
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It's not about your ability, it's about what people actually need. You don't have to lie, just ask if they need a longer explanation. Most people say no, simply because, usually, gifted kid end up being evoluing n circles with people who are quite smart themselves.And among those who'd need a longer explanation, many don't care to know anyway. So don't waste your time
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:19 AM
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I grew up christian. No true scottman fallacy. I'm talking about communities that have been christian way before the United States were even funded. and traditionalism and religion are enforced by law. American Christian women study "Fascinating womanhood" religiously and it's basically a manipulation manual. Fooling husbands has been a recurring theme throughout history and accross cultures. And I'd say the more traditional a culture is, the more hypocritical and cunning people it breeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:12 AM
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I perfectiy understand the logic behind it, but many people, tend to see explanation as condescention or an "insult" and I've noticed to yield better results by giving a short/mid lenghts answer and ending with some variation of " I don't if im majing myself clear let me know if you need me to explain further."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:36 AM
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those things aren't worse than video games and smoking weed than most men list.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:06 AM
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when men say " women" they mean attractive college educated white women. All that talk about apex fallacy only to do the exact same to the other gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:02 AM
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Some people just feel like conversations just creates bonds/talk mindlessly because they equate short conversations with distance. In that way I guess they fulfilling their need for closeness/ avoiding awkard situations. Well, having been deemed a gifted kid, while I agree that some of those comments are thrown to easily it os also true that a lot of gifted kid make their self esteem rely on their smartness either conciously or unconsciously. I could see how you could come off that way. You went…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:52 AM
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fascinating how you're you manage to be off topic comments every single time. " why do you use the word submission to describe thing which aren't submission" "Women love the idea if submission when the guy is hot enough" " sexual submission is different than real lige submission" " nobody cares about hot babes" "
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:36 AM
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I'm not sure who your comment ad resses but neither of us here are from the US
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:19 AM
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this explains why they want submission, not why they use submission to describe something that isn't submission. It's quite deceptive in my opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 04:12 AM
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What would the purpose of asking the question be, if a satisfactory answer would simply be the person restating their original position, i.e. Many people talk for the sake of talking tbh. ​ It is only submission if you are subsuming the will of someone else for your own. In that example that's just cooperation. You are both specializing in tasks for the maintenance and care of domestic life and your transportation. That's the cause of my original confusion, some men tell you they want submission…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:59 PM
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Look no offense woke up with bad stomach issue and in no mood for long diatribes on the subject. Fair, but a bit pointless to comment on a question thread if you're not going to answer. Good luck with the flu.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:53 PM
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To me this sounds mean and hurtful to make dad into a dupe, Call me cynical but I think they do want to be fooled and prefer this over direct confrontations because quite frankly some of the tricks were too obvious to be ignored. I do find it immoral though, so I refused to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:51 PM
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They know they a bit isolated in the family but they're not aware of the many ways they get fooled on a daily basis. And that's why my husband wasn't on board with traditionalism either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:37 PM
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In the example you've given, you tell the woman "no I'd rather do a" and if she is truly cooperative she will stay in her lane and not insist. I think it's common sense to shut the fuck up when you are unkowledgeable about something. However, if in the morning I let my husbands fix my car cause I don't know shit about cars while he is a mechanic and at 5 pm he didn't make any comments on how I should make the quiche because he never cooked one and I have done it since I was 5 did we both submit …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:13 PM
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I am the OP. You are answering beside the point. I've done my research on the topic aldready. Submission always includes authority and leadership on one part and a follower on another part in every context. You can add different stuff , more gentleness, less obedience, the follower might be consulted or they might not but the leader/follower dynamic is always part of it. So my question isn't "why do you want submission or why do you use the submission in the context of the relationship" ? My que…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:52 PM
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I mean Im not into either but who am I to kinkshame ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:37 PM
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It does though. The artcile does say the woman needs to follow the husband's lead. And it does establish the husband as an authority. A loving one (like God over his disciples) but an authority nonetheless.That's yielding to the husband's will. It just explains why it's okay and women need not to be afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:32 PM
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You actually want submission, the question isn't for you. Unless you know why the men who actually don't want submission use that term
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:07 PM
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oh i'm sure if a woman is into that without knowing it must have been one hell of an awakening
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:57 PM
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I would say all the flaws associated with women (deceptiveness, fakeness,flakeyness etc) can be boiled down to good girl syndrome. Women grow up with the idea they need to be good at all costs. They need to see themselves as good and will go to great lenghts to be perceived as good. Some women never grow out of it. So if you meet a women who's social image is way to at odds with her inside image, she is inauthentic and propably inauthentic and probably hiding parts of herself to be liked by you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:50 PM
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*grabs the belt like my mom would*
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:40 PM
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I think it's because it can be a turn on for men and isn't in conflict with traditional views of men having to be the provider/protector/having authority on women. It is a turn off for women though and is in direct contradiction with the idea that women should be younger/cuter/smaller cute/taken care off
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:21 PM
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I think more men are okay with that dynamic than the other way around (for example the DDLG thing and calling your boyfriend daddy is more acceptable than calling your gf mom )
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:10 PM
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Highkey based. No one is more based than a religious immigrant woman with no filter or concept of political correctness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:03 PM
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I've just written it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:55 PM
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Sometimes there isn't one. Look at the Israel/Palestine conflict. If your disagreements are on that level of irresolution, you have no business being a couple. I think most people, irrespective of sex, would rather have their way than have to compromise. True, that's why I'm not asking why people want a submissive woman. The reason is pretty obvious to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:26 PM
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I don't understand what you mean, what was meant as an example ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:13 PM
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So those men actually do want submission as in "cooperation + I get the final say if we can't compromise" type of thing ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:02 PM
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yes, I get it you don't actually want cooperation you are settling for it when it suits your interests. You are not a copperative person. You are merely acting cooperative to get what you want. You strike as actually quite controlling. Then again, I just noticed your flair. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:51 AM
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Funnily enough, I don't believe traditional marriage where the wife submits are necessarly problematic. My parents are in one. My husbands' parents too. My problem with it is mostly that both of our mothers are going to be completely defenseless when our fathers die, and it creates a weird sometimes a weird dynamic where the father is ostracized and the whole household is acting cunningly to have him take the decision the majority wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:49 AM
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Because submission means much more than that. Suggest you research submission in a traditional marriage. I was raised catholic, I have learned plenty about this growing up. My parents also are in a traditional marriage. I personally have no interest in being in one. That's me though, if another woman wants that life, more power to her. ​ The modern western feminist movement have painted it completely wrong and turned into a way to describe modern slavery. I don't view it as modern slavery, just …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:42 AM
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You are off topic though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 11:22 AM
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As I said, though this story is devastating, that's not that common. Many things to take into consideration : - It's on reddit. Happy people rarely make post to say "my life is nice stable and enjoyable". ​ - We hear such horror stories on women sides too. Men who cheated throughout the relationships, men who abandon them for younger, men who turn out to be abusive once married. It happens, but, f a relationship is what you want you can't live in fear. You need to date and vet. Vetting wont one …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:44 AM
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Or men have simply given up to those things bcoz even after doing all those things we know they will go for a better looking guys or more rich guys , I have heard stories of women leaving their patterns and a healthy family to literally sleep with a guy bcoz they found him more attractive Though this happens, that's not the main reason why people break up. And this can also happen to women too. The main reason of divorce isn't 'I have found better" or "cheating" it's irreconcliable differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:46 AM
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Woman don't enter in relationship where they make more than the men, women spending behaviors are focused in services, those are not counted on divorce. They overall don't enter relationships where the couple can only rely on the man's income either. Meaning these days, most dont qualify for alimony, and they participated to paying the mortage of the house so usually house is sold so each partner gets their share of the house's worth. Only thing man is paying thatwomanisn't is child support. ​ T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:59 AM
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Both partners end up worse off financially after a divorce. And most women these days don't get half of something a man built on his own because most couples have both people working. And if the other spouse wanted to stay in the marriage, the happiness of the leaving spouse is still built on another person's sadness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:40 AM
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At least the person who left is happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:29 AM
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probably not, murder is harder to orchestrate than divorce. Doesn't mean those couples were necessarly happier though considering all those "i hate my wife" jokes boomers love to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:20 AM
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the father usnt in the picture yes because they have a stronger parental instinct. Otherwise they could just abandon the child. Even in cultures where court gives child to the man (lIslamic ones mostly) they fight harder to get their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:18 AM
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To be fair, do we need to make as many kids as those countries if most our kids survive and are able to work until old age. Not to mention AI and robots replacing a good size of the workforce. Isn't that a natural reaction to just needed less people ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:10 AM
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I mean that's life, that's when you start making compromises
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:03 AM
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You win, you get more dominant role and you have more people listening to you, and that feels good, you get rewarded by your hormonal system. That's quite interesting because tho I believe there some sort of hierachy among females I don't believe we care nearly as much about this. I wrote my post with the assumption that most men who start by saying they want submissiveness do mean submssive in the true sense of the world but use agreaableness and cooperative to make it sound more palatable. Am …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 03:01 AM
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Thank you for your answer. ​ In practice, asking a woman to be submissive probably results in something closer to actual cooperation than asking her for cooperation because she's going to stretch the definition of cooperation or submission as much as possible towards her side. Has it been your experience (either first hand or watching relationships dynamics around you) that women actually aren't okay with cooperation ? If so can you give examples of such situations ? Has it been your experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:52 AM
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Either way, looks like you understand the reasoning but just don't like how men think. Can't help you with that one. Peace. Not really, I just think it creates unecessary confusion and arguments between men and women when they discuss this when they overall actually agree on the matter. Thank you for the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:47 AM
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It sounds weird, but in a relationship where 1 party wants to hold far less responsibility, submission IS cooperation to a certain point. I mean you can't be submissive and uncooperative but you can be cooperative and non submissive (rectangles and squares). The same way a man who totally owns his shit, has a great job, nice body, awesome social skills, and takes great care of his woman, is overall, probably a nice guy. Except women say they want "actually nice guys" not "nice guysTM". ​ If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:18 AM
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it does seem that those who truly mean cooperation or agreeableness end up admitting submission is not the right words. There are some who just mean submissivs. And some other men made interesting comments about how some self described cooperative women are not actually fully cooperative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:07 AM
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While I agree 50/50 should be default, I think that's exactly why women get the kid. Women would fight teeth and nails to get custody, even to the point of being callous about it. The men are more likely to give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:55 AM
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So if I understand properly, those men actually want cooperation but the women who say they're cooperative are really not owning their shit when things get tough. So, in order to get an actually cooperative women who will have accountability, they say they want a submissive one ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:39 AM
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Thank you for this very thorough answer. I need to point out that "submissive" sounds nicer and falls better into male power fantasy What do you mean exactly by this ? Like what does fantasy entails ? Having power over his woman ? Protecting that woman ? Same way "I want to marry a milionare" sounds better than "I want to marry somebody with monney". The thing is I think these women actually want a millionaire but would be okay with "just" someone with money. Is it the same for these men as in, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:35 AM
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I thought you were implying women were financially benefitting off of divorce. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:17 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/102k6ak/what\_do\_men\_mean\_when\_they\_want\_a\_submissive\_wife/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:13 AM
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you don't do that to someone that didn't treat you well. You sweet summer child... So many trauma bonded people go back to people they know are toxic for them. The average abused partner comes back 5 ties to their abuser before leaving for good. (Not saying you were toxic, abusive or in a trauma bond)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:12 AM
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Yes y catholic mom did this and tried to teach me the rope of this trickery and I was like "this bs ends with me".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:08 AM
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I just wanted to answer the prompt because it seemed like an interesting one. Yes I get it, thank you for your input !
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:07 AM
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and all those housewives on xanax.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:03 AM
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I can't handle conflict and aggression well, it freaks me out. Isn't it then that you just want someone who is peaceful , pleasant or easy going ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 01:02 AM
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My question mostly stems from a thread on this subbreddit saying "What do you actually mean by submissive" and a good number of men replying something a long the lines of "I just mean I want cooperation" "I mean I don't want to come home to a combattive woman" "I mean I dont want to be nagged" Maybe I missunderstood but they seemed to be lumping the two together
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:55 AM
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Statistically, divorces just create two poorer people unless the man is rich. Why do you think the kids end up with the woman the majority of the time? Because men are usually not the primary caregivers and most are okay with seeing them only on weekends as it doesn't fundamentally change from the routine he had while married.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:52 AM
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took advantage of probably more than I should have This is why most women cringe at the thought of subission. Have you ever said in your life you wanted a submissive partner ? If yes what did you mean by that ?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:44 AM
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I am a man who actually wants cooperation without nagging, And you actually said that right away instead of saying "I want a submissive woman" and then explaining "I don't to be in control I just want want cooperation and agreeableness that's all I mean by submission" What I'm asking is basically "if you use submission to mean cooperation and no nagging, why do you do it"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:40 AM
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A good part of this thread for example has men saying "I just want soeone agreeable, not naggy, cooperative" https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/102k6ak/what_do_men_mean_when_they_want_a_submissive_wife/ f
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:37 AM
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if you have a back up plan to coerce your partner if they have a different goal, you're not cooperative, you just a pragmatic/opportunistic person who will not be causing unecessary issues if they get their way through pacific means.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:29 AM
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So you want men who claim to want cooperation, realize they actually want submission, but continue to use the wrong word anyway to answer? I want to check if my intuition is true. My intuition being "those dudes who say they actually want cooperation and no nagging" are trying to make submission look more palatable otherwise they'd just say cooperation" So far as I expected, only people who actually want submission but would settle for cooperation have answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:26 AM
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The caterers are literally the ones following someone else's orders in this scenario? My point exactly. In a dating situation, the one who pursues is going through hoops to please the one who is being pursued. The passive one is the one who actually makes all the decision. They are leading from the backstage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:21 AM
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yup, that's not cooperation, that's manipulation. It works for you I guess, but this proves you're not a cooperative person and that you are not the targeted audience for my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:18 AM
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okay, good you found an arrangement that suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:16 AM
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you don't meet many women that don't have some shitty ex she let lead her astray and did too much for. Attractive, dominant men hold all the power because women give it to them. I meet just as many men who have had that shitty ex who played them, used them for money, attention and favors and bossed them around. Isn't it why the red pill started to gain traction in the first place ? Does it mean men are selcting for "bitchy women who use them for money and attention" ? Almost as if people make ir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:13 AM
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You are describing the thought process of men who actually want submission not cooperation. I think I'm going to edit my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:06 AM
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I create a circumstance in which if she changes her goals and cooperation is no longer available, submission will it be. So fake cooperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:56 PM
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That's interesting because I know many catholic and muslim mothers who "are subissmissive" but really 80 percent of the families decisions was their idea and they mindfucked their husband into thinking they came up with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:55 PM
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I think a submissive woman who's had enough would just divorce in this day and age. Like Gisele Bunchden who had all these traditional takes about relationships did
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:52 PM
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And again if it's not your first choice but something you find accetable enough in lieu of submission, you're not really part of the targeted demographic i'm trying to talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:49 PM
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Well cooperation works if both partners are cooperative. Seems like you aren't from the way you answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:47 PM
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Also seems that you actually do want submission. If that's the case my post isnst really for you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:41 PM
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Submission can also end, see number of husbands who died in suspicious circumstances when divorce wasn't socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:40 PM
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All your egos just won't let you admit that women approach dating from a very submissive pov, maybe what you want from a relationship long term is different, but expecting a man to initiate and escalate early on is a fundamentally submissive act. So if someone does something to please you it automatically makes you a submissive person ? Fancy people with staff that caters in advance to their every needs are submissive ? Patients are submissove to their doctors ? Let's agree to disagree I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:34 PM
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So basically, you think they actually mean submission but say cooperation and not nagging to make it more palatable ? Could be this yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:24 PM
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Fair enough, but I do believe that word specifically puts off women who would otherwise be perfectly fine with what those men actually want.;
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:22 PM
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They’re talking about deference. They don’t want a partner - they want a subordinate. That's the thing. Some do want a subordinate which is the actual definition of submissive. My post isn't really for them. But some mean cooperation and I always wondered why they wouldn't just say that instead of submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 11:13 PM
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it's still exchangin the actual product (beauty, youth, fertility) for a non existing product.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:17 PM
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Maybe. I'd tell woman to put a 2 years timeline max. If he is not evolving just move on. And don't live with him until he is established.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:16 PM
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The problem isn't being a starter wife. I know a lot of women whose men genuinly cared about them, but they just failed at whatever it is they wer trying to achieive. Now those women have to start over while they were absolute catches in their youth
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:08 PM
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The problem I have with this, even if the man is acting tiwards the goal (even though I've actually done it) is that if you believe that what men most want is youth beauty and fertility, we are asking women to offer the final product in exchange of a potential which may never realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:05 PM
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Thank you, it was my pleasure I love talking about my man I think he is one the the best things that have happened to me !
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:57 PM
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That's my point. Very few men actually show active potential. Just piped dreams. So I wouldn't encourage dating based on potential as a rule. It's a high risk/high reward endeavor and few women have the safety nets necessary to offset the costs if it fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:55 PM
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You can stay single/date high earning woman/date someone who only wants to see you on weekends and not share households.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:39 PM
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Apparently it's a situation where the majority of men consider having won until they get left.Otherwise, they would leave in similar numbers. It's not about who is at fault. I'm inclinded to believe that the person who thinks the relationship serves them the least, is usually the one who leaves no matter the gender. Anyways nobody "should" do anything, many people cohabitate. Just accept that some women will not be onboard with cohabitation and focus on the ones who are onboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:33 PM
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I think the ideals of feminism ixed with us being realistic with biological urges helped. At the very beginning though, I'd say the power dynamic was in my favour(Stronger passport, higher income, higher level of education, richer parents). He recognized that while he was fine not being the bread winner he wanted to be able to spoil me with the type of things I could spoil my own self with in order to feel like a real men. And I recognized that while didn't mind earning more I wanted him to part…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:25 PM
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I'm from a wealthy family. Not super rich but clearly comfortable. I then got into a lucrative field and I was an abnormally high earner for my age in my home country. Then I was moved to a developping country. That's when I met my then husband. He was finishing his bachelor.He is very smart, disciplined and focused. But had reached the maximum opportunities his country could ralistically offer. So I used my knowledge and connnections to have him get his masters in my home country and get into a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 07:09 PM
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I've done it and still currently married to the dude but overall, I wouldn't recomend women do this. It's extremely risky even if you don't end up being a starter wife, the potential might never accomplish itself. My situation was extremely specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:46 PM
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If you were happily married, your marriage was beneficial and divorce isn't. That's our point. You don't leave an arrangement that is beneficial for you. Divorce felt more benfifcial to your wife tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:38 PM
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And spot on again. I was a lil weirdo who wrote fanfictions. Not that ugly but didn't want to sacrifice comfort for beauty. And of course, many of us are overrepresented on reddit because why the fuck would Stacy be on reddit ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:11 PM
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Quite an arbitrary way of weeding people out don't you think? It is. I don't see where the problem is. Dating isn't supposed to be a rational/everyone's gets a fair chance thing. It's not a job hiring process. Submission is making the choice to follow someone else's lead, I mean just look in a dictionary? Have you ? Cause those two words do not have the same dictionary definition. Regardless, even if you don't think they're synonyms : the fact is women do not want to be led, otherwise men would …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 06:05 PM
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Can you see how choosing to date this way leads women to filter for men who prefer submissive partners and gives the perception that women are submissive? Submission is literally defined as accepting someone elses lead. I don't because it's commonly accepted that men initiate in most cultures and those who did appraoch me did not expected me to be submissive. My current husband approached me and I guess if I had to say who is dominant partner, I guess it'd be me since Im the one taking all the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:32 PM
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Submission is loaded because it is a shitty position to be in. Your definition doesn't seem very appealing either. And I do not want to be lead. So basically you had women approach you because probably they found you attractive, so this proves women do initiate when they are strongly interested. It's not just about being used for sex. Most men will say yes to a relationship they're not that interested in. I personally stopped approaching for that reason. The dude who have a strong interest in me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:13 PM
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Passivity is the punctual choice of not doing something.Usually because it serves your interests. Passive women in that situation still choose wether they want to date the man, want to let him escalate. Submission is to constantly give your deciding power to somebody else, even if their decision goes against your wishes.I personally don't want to give that much power to somebody else. Most women don't even care that much about finding a partner when they are are out and about. Men initiate more …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:16 PM
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being passive and being submissive are not the same. Women don't make the first move because when they do, most men will say yes to an opportunity to get sex. Doesn't mean he is that much into that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:55 PM
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Because it's degrading. If you love and trust your woman, why won't you be submit to her then ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:01 AM
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so when the red pill sidebar had shit like "woman is the most responsible teenager in the house" it was my own interpretation ? Or when the redpill encourages to create some sort of trauma bond via "dread game" I made it up ? The blue pill isn't even a real ideology. Nobody is a proponent of the blue pill. And many people belive men and women are different without being red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 02:04 AM
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was okay with your list until you mentioned submissiveness. To each their own tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 01:47 AM
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It doesn't. It does equate to being condescending on top og being bitter and angry. Those last two usually manifest in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 01:45 AM
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I've heard the propaganda speach. We don't need the red pill to understand sex differences. The red pill takes evo pysch truth like "women like high status men" and use them to justify a set of questionable behaviors towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 01:41 AM
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Yes but women take more care of their appearance and know how to make themselves look good on pictures. "he looks better in real life" is a recurring meme
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:59 AM
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I'd argue many men don't even fit those standards. They don't do anything to look nice, don't try hard to get to know the women they hit as an individual, and lack interpersonal skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:53 AM
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for the most part they're just unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:41 AM
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They tend to act like you're a clueless kid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:37 AM
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This is so true, my friends and i all fit this description evendown to the men perceived as a ken doll you have to have. We all found our nerdy boyfriends once we quit on dating (and became much mcuh hotter than we were when younger)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:30 AM
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we were ugly ourselves and we bacame hot out of nowhere in our 20's
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:26 AM
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what's femininty for you ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:11 AM
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misogyny or more specifically : a relationship dynamic where the woman accepts her place as an inferior/tolerates abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:09 AM
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That's interesting. I think my female friends would do all of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:07 AM
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sounds fair to me. What would be an example of too dominant tho ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:05 AM
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Interestingly enough I've heard non white women of all races say that en of their own race don't want them now that they're in the west and treat white women much better than non white women. Maybe us POCs should as a collective address the problem ?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:03 AM
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Half of divorces end in marriage. The suicide rate of women does not change pre and post divorce. Post-divorce, the suicide rate of men goes from 3.5x women's averate, to 9x women's average. Divorce is also massively more beneficial to women, with family court lawss and divorce laws from the 80s still heavily slanted in her favour, dating back from a time when women didn't make as much money as men. Yes, we agree, divorce benefits women, marriage not so much. If marriage was a better deal, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:34 PM
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The risks of marriage are far more severe for men than women though, so it is understandable that men aren't all that motivated to marry. Having a nice partnerat home is beneficial to men. Living with a partner isn't that beneficial for a woman. The price to pay is marriage. That's the reason it protects women more. The problem is now many women want out for reasons that might seem trivial to men. Ironically I think all those problems arise because North American Women are too agreeable so inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:48 PM
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Oh of course. My partner didn't "need" me I just gave him more motivation and made him achieve his things faster. But he would have achieved his stuff with or without me that I am sure of. I know very few american women, most of the ones I do know are black (I am biracial myself) and they seemed quite down to earth to me. Then again, I am not dating them/. I did notice a weird obsession with really tall men though. My man is extremely attractive in my opinion but he is 1.75m which is not tall. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:47 PM
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As addressed below, I think that's because I'm from Europe which offers much more safety nets. For example not only did my husband not pay for his education he was in fact being paid to study during his second yearthanks to an apprenticenship program. Also, I was willing to do all of that for a husband. Not a boyfriend. But people in the States stay boyfriends and girlfriends for an absurdly long time. We got married after 2 years of dating and it was aldready longer than I liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:21 PM
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I'm not an angel. It's true that many men would blossom with a nice woman at their sides but I think women in the States cannot afford this luxury. In Europe there are a lot of societal program that prevent you from falling into poverty. And most basics (eduaction, health and extra curricular activities for kids) are covered or cheap. This isn't the case in the States. I'd be as ruthlessly hypergamous iF I were in American women's shoes. And also few men are worth it. When we met,he was at the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 05:06 PM
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welp, I accidentally became a passport sister. Found a smart man in latin America, had him get his masters in Europe and used my connections to help him find a good job. He is now my faithful provider while im a pilate stay at home wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 09:29 AM
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Yes, we need a nerd dating app. My boyfriend and I met at work and we both happened to be nerds and then we talked about this problem and we presented our respective friends to oneanother. It was sheer luck tho. One thing that strucked me is that nerdy girls tend to hide that side of them more.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 01:34 PM
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The problem is that the nerdy girls who would be compatible with you are doing nerdy girls activities that most nerdy guys dOn't care about like writing fanfictions, watching kpop and kdramas, playing animal crossing and cosplaying.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:47 AM
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That is not true. Birth rates are falling everywhere in the insutrialized world including conservative nations ( from most to least : Middle East, Estearn Europe, Japan, Korea) because once a country is industrialized, children are no longer an asset but a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:31 AM
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Yes and Im saying societal change happen when more and more families adopt new ways of organizing themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:21 PM
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women seem to think it’s acceptable for both parents to have to work 40 hours a week The growing trend of stay at home giflfriends and wives as well as chilfree women shows that women do not in fact find it normal. AS for "society not being built that way". It never was. Now is probably the one time in history where you more likely to find some women twilling to be breadwinners though they're a minority. However how many husbands are willing to be househubands ? How many do have the skills to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 11:15 PM
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Do you think men want to work 8 hours a day and be away from their kids all the time and always be told what to do when by their wives when they get home? No but I do think they prefer that over the tradeoffs of staying home hence why most won't do it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:47 PM
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igured out how to let the women work and the men do all the housework, I actually don't think women would even likd that. I think women want to be able to dip in and out of the workforce to make additional/personal income when needed and have their feminine contributions recognized by society instead if being devalued.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:33 PM
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are you from easten europe ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 09:18 PM
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So this pill debate is kinda pointless. Shouldn't we focus on rebuilding trust between normal people offline ? Shouldn't we focus on creating communities ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:03 PM
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All of this is true and also true on the woman side. You get more likes and men treat you better at first when you show more skin pn your îcs, act like an extroverted airhead and demand princess treatment. This is why people who are looking for serious dates should focus on oflline relationship and creating communities
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:45 PM
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The question is : would you even care if it wasn't a good gottcha to throw at feminist ?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:15 PM
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I think the problem is the worst people in society (killers,pedos, sgood fornothing idiots) are also men and I am more likely as a woman to get robbed by a violent man than I am to meeeting a Nobel Price winner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:12 PM
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I mean I do see a lot of that dicourse online but how true is it in real life ? Like how much of those online debates have any baring in real life. The more I see people pair up around me the more I'm starting to think it's jsut entitled men arguing with entitled women and making normal people fear the other sex. Then again, I belong to a demographic that is not average in any way
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:50 PM
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Grew up in trad household. I'm inclined to say the tradeoffs aint worth it as you only get to enjoy it past 60 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:47 PM
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Yup, Im a woman who doesn't do that emotional labour and I have been called out by multiple exes for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:07 PM
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