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Why not? It’s really the only way for a man to determine how attractive he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 11:35 AM
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Everyone is different. I don’t try to assume what would make you happy, because I’m not you. This is what I want, it doesn’t have to be what you want. Plus, all these men got the choice to try casual sex and see if it worked for them, I never even got the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/19 10:04 PM
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Well I was never successful in getting casual sex, so who knows what I would’ve felt at the end of it? All I know it’s the only thing I’ve ever wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/19 08:46 PM
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It’s a cult, cults pray upon extremely vulnerable people who can buy into it. This isn’t the kind of dude who can go into a bar and take the hottest party girl home, or get overtly sexual messages on tinder. The only one who find him attractive are his followers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 07:03 PM
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Sex? About 3. Like no physical contact whatsoever? 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 08:15 PM
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I think that’s a fair assessment, really I think it only matters though if she was having casual sex with men much more attractive than you. Obviously a good looking dude would be fine because she was fucking men who looked the same
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 03:13 PM
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Something, something women are sluts if their hymen is broken and deserve to be stoned, or whatever they say now.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 11:53 AM
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I’m 26/M, been with 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 11:50 AM
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I thought the average partner count was 7
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 11:32 AM
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Everyone here gets so triggered and stuck on the wall. If you’re an attractive man or woman in your 30s then you will still be able to attract members of the opposite sex, even ones younger than you just as easy. Women who are like “I love older men” love older “hot men”, not the average joe from your office. Are we really going to sit here and say an unattractive 20 year old men has more of a chance of banging a hot 20 year old woman than the hot 30 year old man? A person’s ability to spin plat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 10:15 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 03:28 PM
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What did Bill Burr say when he was asked about this? I think it was something along the lines of “Just make your own shit”. Essentially instead of trying to weed their way into what is already there, and only a small population want them there, they should just make their own films, novels, video games, etc. Are there many women action films? No, so make them. Jordan Peele has the right idea, he’s making films so black actors can get lead roles. A lot of black filmmakers are doing the same. Inst…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:13 PM
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Aren’t you the girl that refuses to approach men? Or the one who won’t go for anyone but Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 11:42 AM
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Well I’m not living a few centuries ago, am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 11:35 AM
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Nice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 10:11 PM
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I’m fine with not lasting long.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 08:14 PM
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I mean, it’s not like they’re fucking intending to make offspring. I sure as hell wouldn’t be.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 07:24 PM
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Men will respect a hot dude who slays pussy every weekend over Mark Zuckerberg.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 07:23 PM
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I think Dave Chappelle said something about how a man would be fine living in a cardboard box if he was getting pussy. Hell being a fucker of women in itself makes you top of the male hierarchy, because above all the one thing guys respect more than anything is a dude who is slaying pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 06:55 PM
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Fucker of women, 100%. What do I care about the male hierarchy? As long as I’m fucking the women I want, I’m fine with being at the bottom of the totem pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 06:14 PM
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So why don’t you approach?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 11:45 AM
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Bruh, there’s only so much you can do. I’ve been trying over a decade, and women still don’t give me IOIs and shit when I walk down the street, or go to a bar, or club, or anything. Some people can’t be Chad no matter how hard they try, and they won’t be drowning in pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 11:41 AM
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OP, what is wrong with your physical appearance? I’m not specifically red or blue, but I help men all the time figure out what they’re “missing”, or at least give you some sort of idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 11:38 AM
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I wouldn’t say I wanted hot women for casual sex, just not overly fat ones. And besides, if I really have to work that hard to get casual sex with any women, what’s even the point anymore? It’s obvious I am not attractive, and not even the “non-hot” girls were giving me IOIs and trying to fuck me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 10:34 AM
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I did target short women. In fact it was always women shorter than me. What do you think? I’m just going for women who are 5’10?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 12:25 AM
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Well I can tell you the amount is absolutely more than 50. It’s happened a lot, let’s just go with that. I saw this happened repeatedly, granted it’s not like it was every time. If we run in the same crowds and you go out with them because you’re going out with your friends and see it happen, yeah it sucks. I wasn’t friends with those women or anything, but still they’re in the same crowds. It’s not like I stopped hanging out with those groups cause I got rejected. We also didn’t date, I just tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 06:16 PM
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How often Like an exact number? Or just in general? Because it happened every time. How do you see all of this with the same person? Because I’m still at the bar, and I’ll see a hotter guy talk up the girl I just tried and having better luck all around. Also when I met women through my friends, and we were out or whatever I would see them be more receptive to something casual. I know because they’d go home with a dude, and we’d never see that guy again. I live in a major city but if you’re still…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 12:21 PM
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I used to just do the same thing for both, but I found it never worked for me. Anytime I mentioned i wasn’t looking for commitment or that, they wouldn’t be interested in me anymore. They’re always “not looking for a hookup” but sometimes I’ll see them go home with another, better looking guy. They seem absolutely down for dates and possible commitment, but not for casual sex with me. So I started taking advice, going to more places where women are usually looking for a dude to fuck supposedly. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 12:13 PM
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I’m depressed, have been for many years. I am on medication, and I have honestly told my gfs. They didn’t care, because it wasn’t like I wasn’t getting any help for it, or trying. Would I still get sad and have episodes? Sure, but it’s about how you manage your depression. As long as it doesn’t feel like a burden, they won’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 11:52 AM
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Yes. Tinder and bumble, Hinge wasn’t a thing really last time I was single, but I imagine it would’ve gone the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 11:49 AM
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Sure. With LTRs I just don’t really do anything special or unique. I meet someone either by a dating app or a friend, talk about myself and my hobbies, or something else until I find someone I think is attractive, is compatible, etc. I’ll go on dates with multiple people to try to find someone for an LTR, and I won’t look over glaring flaws or anything like that. And then we are an LTR, simple as that. Then i stay with them for whatever amount of time we’re together, and then I just sort of stay…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/19 11:49 AM
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“Average” is about a 5/10 on the looks scale. I’m there, factoring in my height and face, but also my style and overall grooming habits. It’s not all about one specific thing, it’s other things coming together. Granted if I was what PPD said was the median man, combined with my height, I 100% would be below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:36 PM
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Only once.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:32 PM
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I’m probably a 7-8 depending on who you ask. There we go. Dude 7 is where attractive starts. It’s all your looks, you can probably put no effort and fuck someone tonight. You can’t really give me advice, unless you’re 5’6, and have an average face. You’re on a completely different level.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:29 PM
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Yeah but again it’s not about the sex, it’s about the validation and there’s no real validation in just hooking up with one. And besides, chubsters as you put it, don’t give me IOIs or try to fuck me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:13 PM
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FWBs are included in that as well, which I have not been able to get either. The only sex I have had have been connected to a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 06:00 PM
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I did, but if I go too low then there’s no validation. But I definitely wasn’t going for like 8/10+ women if that’s what you were implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 05:43 PM
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Okay, but I don’t think you’re playing up your attractiveness. How objectively attractive are you? Because apparently you are attractive. Because nobody is that good, I’m sorry. Dudes on here keep saying “yeah I just have amazing game” meanwhile they’re hot, and women will sleep with them regardless of whatever PUA tactic they use. Basically, you don’t have to learn all the styles, because you’re good looking already
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 05:43 PM
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Would I cheat? No. But if it turns out that i would be getting those approaches regularly and could have casual sex? I’d just dump her all together and just fuck casually. I’m many things, but I’m not gonna cheat on my gf. Regardless if it’s the only thing I want, there is no good reason to do that to her. One night with a girl isn’t worth losing my gf, but if you told me I could fuck lots of women, get IOIs from many women, and all around essentially become Chad? I’d drop her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 04:38 PM
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I appreciate the things I have, but I’m just miserable about the life I kind of was forced into. Is what it is, my misery doesn’t get in the way of anything in my life, it’s just I will never be happy or fulfilled without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:42 PM
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My sample size is I guess whatever is on tinder and the bars, clubs, I go to in the major city I live in. And exactly how am I supposed to figure out all the different ways? If I was hot, they’d just be fine with whatever “strategy” I use, because they find me hot and are DTF. You’re probably just attractive which is why you are successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:30 PM
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I do help men with their style, it’s one of my side gigs actually. You’re getting LTRs and getting laid Sure. But I don’t even really like the LTRs, I’m most in them because I want to have sex with someone who is wholly attracted to me. If I was getting casual sex I wouldn’t even be in a relationship, they don’t give me anything I can’t while I’m single except for sex. You’re not missing out on easy one night lays Stop. Don’t tell me what I am missing. For all we know, I could fully enjoy that l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:24 PM
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Well every single girlfriend I have ever had, they made their interests known. They came up to me, they came from different areas, different upbringings, different races, religions, all different, but acted the same. Sure it’s been a few, but because it’s only a few I can tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:14 PM
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I don’t think I’m ugly, i think I’m average. Either way I’m unattractive, but yeah not ugly Even so, attractive guys still have women going up to them. If they walk away at the end of the day, or just lose interest then yeah I’d say you’re right. I don’t get IOIs or interest from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:10 PM
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Sure. Meanwhile I see objectively attractive dudes in bars and shit getting stared at, IOIs, and women going up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:07 PM
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If I was hot enough, it wouldn’t matter. Like she said, a casual sex partner would have issues overlooked because it’s just a one time thing. If I’m able to keep LTRs, obviously my personality is fine. It’s my looks that are the problems:
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 03:03 PM
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You’re not realizing it’s not about the sex for me, it’s the validation. If I have to really lower my standards, then there isn’t a validation in the act. If it was just about fucking anything, I’d just go fuck a hooker. And besides those plain girls aren’t given me IOIs either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:53 PM
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I’ve done all those things you said, I still wasn’t successful. They just aren’t sexually attracted to me, your friends are probably decent looking, and not that short or they’re going after like the most bottom of the barrel women; it’s about how you appear, a 5’6 guy like me is going to look like the shortest guy in the room, meanwhile a 5’8/9 guy will look at least up to the level of everyone else. You keep believing I just didn’t try enough, I did. I knew a guy who was below average as well,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:43 PM
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Yeah, but because most women get so many offers, the fact that you are chosen for casual sex means you are attractive. All you’re saying is I’m not good enough to be chosen for casual sex. Plenty of women are up for casual sex, look at tinder. Chads can just swipe on tinder, get a bunch of matches, and get casual sex with a few words. They just don’t want me, all I want is to be hot, so they don’t care about anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:34 PM
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But I want a one-night thing. If I’m so good, then why am I not able to “pass the sex test”? That matters way more to me. Obviously it’s my looks, and I want validation for my looks more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 02:27 PM
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A few things: Relationships are built more on things like compatibility, personality, other mental aspects more than physical. It’s why you see so many average dudes with gfs walking around, people like to believe this is getting laid, but it’s not because they’re just in an LTR. They’re getting sex sure, but it only counts as one. Any average dude can get a relationship, just don’t act like an autistic incel all the time, raise your RMV a decent amount, and appear as a good all around partner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:42 PM
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I’ve never been able to get casual sex whatsoever. I’ve been able to get LTRs fairly easy though. If I’m looking for an LTR, I can look for like a month and I’ll find someone I feel is worth being with, I’m attracted to, and I’m compatible with. If I could get casual sex, I wouldn’t even be in a relationship. They don’t want casual sex with me because I’m not attractive and casual sex is all looks. I’m just not good enough to have it, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 12:58 PM
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Holy shit, when did this sub become the “abortion pill”, we get it some of you are cool with it, some of you aren’t, and both sides hate each other equally. My god.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 05:35 PM
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I did, but it ended up turning into fat more than anything. So I had to lose the weight, which I was able to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 05:31 PM
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I also worked out you know. You tell me what I did wrong because I hired trainers, nutritionists, and I consulted a dietician
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 05:30 PM
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Nah, not enough comments hating people with a BMI over 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 02:01 PM
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I did eat whatever is recommended to gain weight for me. However for some reason it just didn’t turn into muscle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 01:22 AM
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It’s the validation of being wanted, otherwise I could just go to a hooker I guess. I suppose I could find another gf, but to be honest relationships in general are just exhausting. I’d prefer having many women want me at one time and not having to even be in a relationship, but I guess she’ll do for the time being. I’m also 26, so I kinda gotta be realistic and she’s probably the best gf I’ve ever had, and she’s obsessed with me for whatever reason. I’m still getting everything I want at the ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 01:06 AM
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Because I’m still getting a lot of regular sex, regardless of the honeymoon phase being over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 11:45 PM
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You realize 80/20 only pertains to casual sex, it has nothing to do with getting LTRs or “finding a mate”. Most men are able to find relationships easily, casual sex is what is for the top 20
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 10:27 PM
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I went on forums online, took the advice of people on here, even people I worked with/had class with/people I know through friends and tried their advice. I’ve been tying to do this for like a decade, it’s not like I curled a single weight and expected to look like Nick Bateman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 04:49 PM
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I didn’t build any muscle. At least nothing substantial.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 04:20 PM
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I don’t think someone hide it for a long time. I’ve been hiding that for about 2 years so far. Honeymoon phase is over, if she really does know she hasn’t said anything to me
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 04:13 PM
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Trainers and nutritionists usually go to school and learn how to do this shit with science and tested methods? I’ve known plenty of people who succeeded using trainers and nutritionists to help get the results they wanted, more so than if they did it by themselves, I just happen to be a rare case. I still would recommend any guy try what I did first before giving up, because what else are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 03:58 PM
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I will say lifting didn’t work for me, but to be fair I really did try. I had trainers and nutritionists designing workout plans and meal plans, and I followed them, but I didn’t really get any substantial results. I’m a very rare case, but I genuinely believe incels should really put in the effort. Most incels are average looking, they just don’t try. By all means if you really tried and you still aren’t successful, then you can say it’s over, because really it is over.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:32 PM
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If you, as a man, can’t even put in the bare effort to get a haircut, go to the gyms and buy some decent clothes to raise your SMV 2-3 points So I agree with you kind of. I think every man should try. Some people however, even if they try, will not succeed at getting casual sex. I know I didn’t, I’ve pretty much been doing that for over decade and it didn’t help my SMV that much, because I’m 5’6 and have an average face. Those things can absolutely bring up your RMV, but if you’re too short, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:27 PM
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Same, honestly. I have depression and anxiety, i take meds. My buddy is a prime example of absolutely depressed and he’s been with his gf for 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:40 PM
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Because I’m only in a relationship for sex, if I could get any ONS, FWBs at all, I wouldn’t even see the need for a relationship personally and would stay single. Granted my gf initiates way more than me, but if she was someone that didn’t want to have sex, we just wouldn’t be together period. You’re saying that men are complaining that they chose a relationship over ONS and FWB, really though they never even got the choice in the matter to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:31 PM
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That’s def pretty high, rents like that are why I stayed out of NYC, LA, SF, etc. Still, your salary is only small because of where you live, if you lived in most other areas you can live pretty comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:46 PM
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Definitely true, didn’t think of those places. Still I live in Philadelphia, and 80k is like rolling in money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:15 PM
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Question OP, what do you for a living, how old are you and how long have you been in the workforce? Because you’re making it seem like 80k is an insanely low number, when I know plenty of people who are making much less than that. It’s definitely above the median household amount in the US, but I don’t know where you’re from. I personally don’t expect a woman to postpone their careers for me. We can easily share parenting duties while we work, I don’t know why everyone here is like “one parent n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 01:05 PM
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I don’t think women outright slap dudes unless he’s straight up groping them, they kind of worry about getting hit back nowadays. They easily just use their body language and try to let you down easy to reject you. Some women just straight up danced away from him though, or tried to get away. If you really have to try hard to get a woman to sleep with you, it’s already over. Women give hot guys IOI’s every day, they make you know they want you to talk to them and make it extremely easy to fuck t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/19 12:58 PM
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Dude if a woman actually wants to fuck, she is going to make her intentions known. He definitely tried to escalate, every time. You can follow all the PUA tactics in the world, but really it all comes down to you looks and how physically attracted a woman is to you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 08:19 PM
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Which is my point. OP was saying that having a mental illness is the biggest killer for relationships for men, but honestly how many unstable, depressed, anxiety ridden men are in a relationship right now? It’s not that big of a deal honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 05:49 PM
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Yup. It definitely does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:36 AM
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But if having a mental illness is such a detriment to getting relationships, how does he have one?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:34 AM
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That’s kind of reality though. But if you’re an 8, you should still have no trouble finding another 8. They usually run in the same crowds
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 11:03 AM
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One in particular I feel I should bring up. If he were just funny to my friends and I, I would get it. But he was a trained stage actor most of his life, and you kind have to know how to speak. He also didn’t like nerdy shit like LOTR, he liked regular interests, (music, sports, etc.) and didn’t make a joke about nerdy shit to women; so in turn he would make comments about regular things that most people can get behind. I mean c’mon, that’s cringey as hell unless they like that specific nerdy th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 10:46 AM
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Yeah it might not be a straight up 8, that’s a bit harder to come by if you’re not an 8 yourself. But you can be somewhat reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 10:40 AM
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I have been around, and known dudes who were charismatic, funny, the life of all the parties, confident enough to go up to any girl in a bar, club, or wherever, while being average looking or below and it didn’t do a damn thing for their SMV and getting them casual sex. If personality really mattered, then there would plenty of average dudes getting regular casual sex, and 80/20 wouldn’t be a thing. Honestly the average man has about 7 partners, and in that maybe one hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 12:48 AM
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I personally feel average only pertains to looks. Just have a decent personality and you’ll get a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 10:36 PM
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Pretty much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:49 PM
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less than a dozen for every 100 women he chooses. Seriously, and they don’t even end up in any sex. I pretty much fell for the meme of tinder being easy pussy, I ended up getting over 1000 matches all said and done and I had no casual sex whatsoever. Many of them didn’t even answer, it’s basically the same as having 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:48 PM
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I mean you can attract a gf if you’re average, not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:43 PM
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Yes, it’s the only thing I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:22 PM
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Well shit I’ve never had any casual sex, fwb or otherwise. I don’t even get to choose whether I want it or not. The universe just sort of told me it’s never gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 09:21 PM
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I mean, I’m average and I have always found getting a gf easy. And if I with an average looking face, and being 5’6 can easily find a gf, I genuinely believe that just about any guy could. If a dude isn’t having any success finding a gf, he is absolutely below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 08:35 PM
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Not something I’m interested in, just can’t get behind letting my gf fuck another dude. But hey, whatever works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 06:02 PM
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Being a swinger is a bit different than casual sex, because you have to “share” your SO, which I gotta be honest isn’t for me. But to each their own. I don’t get it, but I respect that you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 05:48 PM
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Oh I’m absolutely aware of that, trust me I know. Which is kind of the most defeating thing about it, I can and have done everything I can, and I still can’t get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 05:45 PM
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Because if you have to lie and be deceitful, what’s even the point? Where’s the validation in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 05:18 PM
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I mean yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head. All I want is to be hot and have casual sex at this point in my life. And I maybe I would prefer relationships, who knows? But the fact is I never even got to choose, the universe just said “it’s not going to happen for you”, even though I absolutely did everything I could.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:48 PM
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I’d much rather the choice to have some casual or something serious. The universe just kind of told me I’m not going to be able to have any casual sex. You got to choose, I didn’t. Get it? I want to be seen as physically attractive, that is what I care about more than anything in this world, and casual sex is the absolute defining way to know if you are attractive as a man. Anyone can get a relationship, only attractive people can get casual sex regularly and easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:46 PM
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26
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:45 PM
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Probably not tbh lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:43 PM
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No disagreements here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 04:43 PM
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Sure. I think that if you genuinely tried and did all of those things, provided you weren’t short or anything that can really bring your physical attractiveness down, then you should be fine. I know plenty of dudes who are average height or even tall complaining they can’t get laid, but then have crappy style, and are overweight or at least pudgey. Seriously, just go to Banana Republic or J Crew (or not even those stores, just get stuff that fits you well), get a haircut that is trendy and fit y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 02:33 PM
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What you bolded can absolutely be fixed easily and fully, you just need to put the time, effort, and honestly a decent amount of money into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 02:24 PM
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I guess I’m considered average based on the attention I receive from women. Even though I’m 5’6 , I still do try in terms of style, grooming, gym, hygiene, and I make about 60k a year. Normally if I was what you described but also short I would definitely be below average, but everything I do more or less just brings me up to average status being that my face is also average looking. That being said casual sex is impossible, like absolutely unattainable. I also have friends who are considered av…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 02:22 PM
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I do wonder that honestly. I sadly do not live in France so you’ll need to ask a Frechman as they might have a better idea how relationship conversations go day to day. In my opinion that’s a hell of a thing to ask that early in a relationship. It’s essentially saying “I think you might cheat on me, so this is insurance”, you’re essentially saying you already don’t trust her which she understandably might take negatively. It could be an entirely different culture there, so for all I know this co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 11:54 AM
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The problem is that in France it’s absolutely illegal to get a paternity test without the mom’s consent. You essentially have to fight in court about it to get the test, and the judge has to agree to let you have it if she doesn’t. And usually a judge won’t necessarily agree, unless the child is obviously not yours outwardly (I.e black baby with two white patents).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 11:38 AM
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I’m just here for them bantz.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 11:32 AM
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Sure which is why there are a bunch of weird looking engineer dudes who are swimming in Pusey, right? None of them are incels or are dudes who maybe have sex once a year, right? C’mon you are talking about such a small portion of the population it doesn’t even matter. News flash: it’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to every single person of the opposite sex, but with such a small pool of women who are interested in you, you just may never even meet or interact with those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/19 11:28 AM
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Frank Reynolds is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 05:37 AM
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What’s your wine selection tonight?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 02:58 AM
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I wouldn’t care if she had an abortion. Im more interested in her policy on them, because I gotta be honest I’m not ready for a child at this point. It’s just a better solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/19 02:57 AM
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I mean it happens. Is it common and can always happen? No. Maybe she has some real daddy issues or is messed up in the head. Either way it’s not impossible, just not usually probable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 01:28 PM
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Well you’re consistent then. I have seen women on here claim to be into these less desirable men but only have casual sex with Chads and shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:25 PM
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Pretty much. A dude can have the other two, but almost always lose out to a nice, sweet Chad who works as a janitor (in the context of casual sex anyway)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 04:24 PM
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I honestly feel like I’m missing the joke lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:47 PM
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If men cannot get laid, what makes them think they can easily get commitment. I honestly go by my experience, and the experience of people around me, and talked with female posters here. I am not someone who can get laid, I just can’t. I’ve truly tried and put everything into getting laid, but I’m 5’6 and my face is average. I would honestly love to be a dude who gets casual sex and have many women lusting after me at any given time, to be a guy who can swipe on tinder, say a few words and just …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:45 PM
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Be honest though, do you have casual sex? If so, what kind of men do you have casual sex with? Do they differ from the men you are committed to, or are they these short, thin, not traditionally attractive men who get overlooked?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:31 PM
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God id give anything to be Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:28 PM
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It’s more than possible. I also usually was crossfading a lot, so it would have something to do with it as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 03:18 PM
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To be fair for me, it’s like half sex, half validation (maybe more on the latter). It’s not so much the act of doing it, more what it implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:42 PM
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DMT genuinely scares me. Idk, something about a 15 minute trip that’s supposedly feels like it lasts hours sounds like something must be up. Plus I’ve seen pictures of what people supposedly see on it, idk not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:22 PM
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I guess I don’t mind the physical and emotional part. Drugs are interesting, they can completely effect one person a certain way and then another person an entirely different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:16 PM
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Acid for me is just too damn long, it ends up being like a 10 hour trip. Shrooms is perfect, most it’s ever last is about 6 hours where it peaks around 3-4 hours in and the comedown is super smooth for me. It’s great because I feel like I don’t lose an entire day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:12 PM
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I’ve only had LTRs, I have no trouble getting those. And while it may suck for you, who knows what I would think of it? I’ve never had any casual sex whatsoever, which means I must be unattractive. I don’t even like LTRs, but I like the regular sex with a woman who genuinely wants to have sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:10 PM
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would you really want to date those women if you were tall? Basing a huge decision on ONE thing? I don’t really want to date them, just get casual sex and my validation from the situation. I just honestly want to be hot and have women lust after me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 06:01 PM
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I mean, I also have an average face so combined with being 5’6, I’m completely blocked from casual sex. I’m aware that there are guys who are 5’6 like me with model faces doing well. However, height is a major thing and can really help bring a guy’s attractiveness up considering it’s like the main thing women attack and reject men for. I simply just don’t have the two main ones (face and height) so nothing I do, or have done for the last 10 years can make up for that no matter what looksmaxxing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:53 PM
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My buddies and I just went to get fucked up and stuff, but I liked going out and doing drugs. It’s not for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:20 PM
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Ah.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:16 PM
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Well you’ll have to pay the cover and also buy the drugs. But you can get them if you want to spend the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:16 PM
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Yeah. And the comedown for me isn’t all that amazing for Coke.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:11 PM
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Absolutely, we’re human, so we project our desires onto other people because realizing other people just want different stuff isn’t easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:03 PM
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I actually love shrooms, way more than acid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:02 PM
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Cocaine if it is free. True. I probably didn’t get addicted to it because I just didn’t have the cash to spend on it all the time to do it frequently enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:02 PM
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I know I did in college and in my 20s like anyone else did. It was a lot of fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:00 PM
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She’s above average, definitely not a Stacy (maybe objectively a 6/10?) but whatever. She’s athletic from playing sports and swimming most of her life and never had a weight problem or fat; but she is extremely awkward, has severe social anxiety, and was kind of an ugly duckling so lots of years of being bullied and outcasted took its toll on her. She never did sports with her school specifically, always outside of school so she didn’t get the status boost from that in HS. It’s a situation that’…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:45 PM
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As I said, I’ve already accepted it. I’m just extremely miserable about it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:37 PM
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I mean I’m not gonna fault you for wanting to throw away all the times with your friends and shit to have the validation to be good at something you want. For me, it’s to be hot and get casual sex. And yes I realize that it is ruining my enjoyment, and overall my happiness, but I can’t really do anything about it. I’ve been to therapy about it, and I take medication, but to be honest all therapists tell me is to accept it. I’ve already accepted I won’t get it, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 01:10 PM
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Sure, and I suppose you’ll tell me they’re short? Because we all know being short is a killer, it sure as hell was for me even with shorter women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 12:05 PM
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Good for you dude, apparently I’m not good enough for that haha. Either way it’s not just the act to have the sex, but more the validation of my looks I care about. I mean I’m short and I have an average looking face, doesn’t really scream sex appeal unfortunately, so as long as you’re like average height you’re fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 12:04 PM
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To be fair I think I’m average, which pretty much is unattractive because there ain’t nothing attractive about being average. I don’t think I’m ugly, I know I’m not ugly, just “there”, ya know? And I mean, any guy can get an LTR. Seriously that’s not s sign that a dude is physically attractive because LTRs rely on things like personality, shared values, compatibility, that can and will offset looks. Now granted you can’t be the Elephant Man and shit, but if you’re st least average and don’t act …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 12:03 PM
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Even at old school hardcore shows these dudes would get laughed at. They look silly and so over the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 05:17 AM
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Ha, if only.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:59 AM
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Appreciate your thoughts and prayers friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:57 AM
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Cool? I don’t see what help you can provide anyway, considering you already suggested things I did indeed try and was unsuccessful getting what I wanted anyway. And I would do that, but then what would I get out of that? I definitely agree she should find someone better for her than me, but I don’t see how breaking up with her would positively do anything for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:53 AM
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I tried online dating on tinder/bumble, got matches, but didn’t get laid from them. And all I’ve had is committed LTR sex, and I don’t and never wanted that. If I could, I’d throw away all of my past relationships and current gf for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:50 AM
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What channels am I supposed to try?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:47 AM
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No, and their body language and reactions to my advancements weren’t receptive. They weren’t interested in what I was selling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:44 AM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:38 AM
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Strange, I thought parties, clubs, festivals, etc. were the environments where low inhib women flock? They were there, they just didn’t want to fuck me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 04:07 AM
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Eh, you can wear fashionable pieces of normal generally masculine things, but they just need to fit well and might be a bit higher quality in terms of fabric and don’t look overly gay. On the side I help men shop and dress better, and if a man wants to be more masculine with his style, I’ll tell him to wear stuff that doesn’t necessary “look” fashionable, but is if we look at things like fit. It’s amazing how wearing a fitted t shirt, well fitting jeans, and a decent pair of sneakers can make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:53 AM
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If they are objectively gross, then I guess you were part of that small circle of women who found them attractive. I know that it’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to all 3.5 billion women (and what let’s say 65-70% of those women are interested in men?) , it’s just that some people with certain features appeal to a much larger chunk of women (and thus might be subjectively unattractive to few women), and some men appeal to a much, much, much smaller chunk. I wouldn’t say it’s imposs…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:44 AM
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We might have different levels of what getting laid regularly means to be fair. What’s your definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:37 AM
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I’m sure they weren’t that unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:36 AM
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I don’t think it necessarily implies that 98% of males are incels, that would be just silly because obviously more than 2% of men have had sex at some point in their lives. It just says that 98% of men aren’t getting laid regularly and aren’t attractive enough to do so. I don’t think it so far fetched considering 1% of males in the world is around 35,000,000 which is a lot of people in general; small in the grand scheme of the planet sure, but I don’t believe most people have even met 35,000,000…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:27 AM
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You’re right there is no secret barrier to the drugs and parties, but the casual sex absolutely is roped off. You just said it yourself: you’re not guaranteed to get laid. Getting laid is the main point of being in the “secret society”, otherwise you’re just a dude going to parties and shit. There is a secret barrier, it’s that you are sexually attractive to someone to have casual sex. You can absolutely go to parties, festivals, clubs, take drugs, whatever, I know I did. But did I get laid? No,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:13 AM
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Shit is nothing to fuck with. Marriage in general is a really huge decision, it’s not just “I promise to spend my life with you”, it’s so many other things. That being said I’m not against it, but rather it’s about being absolutely sure. And yeah I changed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/19 03:09 AM
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The people who ask this are those who have never been in a divorce or watched a person go through one. The financial and legal battles alone are enough to make you check your marriage again and see if it really is necessary. Plus if you’re a guy and make more money, you’ve got a lot to lose if there wasn’t a per-nup or post-nup signed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 11:20 PM
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Sorry, I thought you were implying sense of humor because you said you can talk like a motherfucker. In my experience, people who say that include sense of humor. Still, you could’ve just said “tall” because let’s face it even with your two degrees, and instruments and personality, and talking skills, you wouldn’t be successful if you were short. It all goes back to the physical which is my point. Edit: also to your point, there are outliers, but that’s what they are, outliers. They can absolute…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 01:52 AM
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I mean I wouldn’t consider you average, you’re tall which can absolutely bring you up a couple points (so you start at above average provided you’re not deformed). If you were short, you wouldn’t have as much luck with all of your “sense of humor”. Lol at this “I’m tall, but it’s def my sense of humor” BS. And I know no average dude pulling chicks, and they are all the life of the parties we attend.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 01:41 AM
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I guess? When I was growing up, a lot of girls in my highschool were already having sex at like 15 or 16. Same thing for her, she grew up in the Midwest and I grew up on the East Coast.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 05:15 PM
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I’m a bit lost tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 05:13 PM
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She was 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 05:12 PM
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Idk, and frankly I could care less what she chooses to do after we broke up. I only care about what she is doing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 05:02 PM
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My gf was a virgin when we met and she loves sex and is more turned on than even me some days. Women enjoy sex just as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 01:35 PM
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I mean it’s only half full if you’re attractive and women want to actually have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 01:32 PM
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I’ll always speak my mind and give an opinion if I think someone they’re going after is bad news or whatever, but it’s up to them whether they want to actually listen. What’s the saying? “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. In the end there’s nothing I can do, if a person has their mind set on a dating someone, they’re gonna do it regardless of what anyone says about them because they can’t see the negative aspects; they’re gonna go for it and nothing short of “dude is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 11:32 PM
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100%, but isn’t the wall based on how a person looked when they were younger? She obviously looked way better when she was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 07:05 PM
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Damn, the wall really did hit her hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:12 PM
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There are so many good women out there. There are also so many bad women too. Not everyone will act the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 05:12 PM
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Nothing, men just aren’t attractive as much as before, and standards have all changed. Plus tinder is a thing now, and overall makes women believe they’re hot stuff because the 6’2 Chad swiped right on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:59 PM
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I don’t think it’s going to help a dude get laid or increase his chances, as many women just swipe on tinder and go over for their “dickappointments” as they’re called now. Seriously women don’t even need a reason except, “hey sit on my face” if Chad is messaging her. But I think cooking is a great hobby to have, I am very into it and it really gives me a sense of accomplishment because not many people I meet have the same skills or cooking equipment I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:58 PM
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I did all of this and still didn’t get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:56 PM
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Pretty much, for the average or below average guy, there’s just no casual sex. It’s a matter of just not being hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:56 PM
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Sure, if they are Chads or just objectively attractive. If you’re an average looking dude you barely have enough women interested for it to be considered “playing the field”, no matter what, whatever woman you are with is usually the best you can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 11:41 PM
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is there anything about you physically that stands out in a way that could perceived negatively? Yes, I am 5’6 and according to lookism I am “plain looking” in the face. Are there short men who slay? Absolutely, they however will have objectively attractive faces. Are there men with plain faces slaying? Absolutely, but they are usually tall or at least average height. I am a combination of things in which doesn’t have something above average enough to balance it out to bring me up. And I’m aware…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 10:43 PM
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I did try a PPL, and tracking my protein. I had trainers and nutritionists as well who literally made programs for me to follow. The gym literally just doesn’t work for me. And besides I’m short and have an average face, I’m not gonna be slaying because you can’t change being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 02:21 PM
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I don’t see the use or point to them besides regular sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 10:34 PM
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Don’t know. Have you tried to looksmax yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 10:04 PM
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I’m aware that’s my problem. I wish I was hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 10:01 PM
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Then you have to go with what you can. Welcome to being an average looking dude, I have had 7 women in my entire life sexually interested in me, and none of them wanted casual sex or being a fuckbuddy with me. Am I miserable? Extremely, but I take what I can get at this point in my life, and provided whatever gf I’m stuck with is at least attractive enough for me, and will have sex regularly, I guess it’s the best I can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:32 PM
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Hmmm based on your post history, I think I know who you are. Did you used to post on femcels a lot complaining that you couldn’t get Chad? I don’t really feel bad for you because you’ve essentially got options but refuse to go for them because you don’t feel they’re good enough. With all due respect, you’re obviously not good enough for Chad to be in a relationship with so lower your standards or be alone and hope a Chad comes to sweep you off your feet. Regardless it doesn’t effect me so you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:29 PM
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He might have been desperate for sex or whatever, but he still had options and the ability to find other women. Sucks to suck, go find an average looking dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:25 PM
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There you go. You should probably go for someone less attractive with less options and this won’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:24 PM
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How hot was this dude OP, honestly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:23 PM
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Do you think he easily finds girls that he really likes all the time? That depends, is he objectively attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:21 PM
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I’m not MGTOW or redpill, but I’ve never had a problem with shallow or shallow people. If I was attractive and could actually be selective and “shallow” I would. The o my person I hate is myself for not being good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:20 PM
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To be fair, I only wanted casual sex. I wasn’t getting sex on the first meeting so I figured where I stood. I also never paid for shit, I wasn’t that kind of dude because I gotta say that is pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 09:18 PM
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Sure but those are like the 2/10 women. Most women get plenty of attention
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 05:42 PM
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To me, casual sex is the only thing worthwhile. I’m just not hot enough to have it, only relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 05:34 PM
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I agree with this. I just stopped orbiting, I realized that if she didn’t fuck me upon first meeting, it’s just not gonna happen
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 05:34 PM
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But most men aren’t getting casual sex, or they’re getting casual but it’s with the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. The top 20% of men are getting to have casual sex with 80% of women, everyone else is just getting the fat chick who works at Hardee’s which isn’t validating. The point of casual sex and why it matters is because women get plenty of offers for casual sex, and the fact that you were chosen to have it makes you a desirable male. I tried just about every single self improvement th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/19 05:29 PM
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As long as they’re attractive, women ain’t gonna wait around for 5/10 dude with an attitude problem if she has more attractive men that appear stabler barking up her tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 02:26 PM
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I mean, it’s kind of depressing that I couldn’t be a part of something I really wanted to be a part of, and I don’t like how it essentially says I’m not attractive or good enough to participate. Oh well, it doesn’t really impede my life in any major ways, so it could be worse. Still I don’t think I’m ever going to stop being depressed about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 12:42 PM
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Nah, I’m currently in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 12:33 PM
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Damn, IncelTears is like a cesspool. What made you stop posting there?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 11:54 AM
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So then what is it? Because all I’m getting is that this is supposed to be a surefire way to get a dude laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 11:51 AM
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he’s this weeks serious relationship Exactly. I used to know a girl though a friend who was pretty much your stereotypical hot girl. I She would come to all of our parties, and other social things. I’d see her about once a month, and every time she had a brand new bf. They were always decent enough guys (and yes all Chads). My friends and I would have a running joke where after they’d left we just say “and we never saw him again”. Sure enough, we never did because she brought the same bf twice t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 03:23 AM
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It’s baffling to me people think like OP. If every person who was deceitful and promised commitment were getting laid, then the niceguys wouldn’t be complaining so much about not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/19 03:18 AM
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That was an interesting read. Perhaps my area is just a bit different and the circles I hang out in are just an outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 06:30 PM
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You sure attractive women don’t sleep around? Because the women who go to the clubs and are tinder are usually the hot party girls. Idk where you live, but these women who are getting laid a lot aren’t these average or ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 06:00 PM
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I’m going to change my reply, I didn’t realize the context and I’m having multiple conversations. Anyway my gf is actually very attracted to me. She will initiate sex way more than I do. She’s relatively attractive, no Stacy by any means, but she is athletic and cute. I got lucky, but I’ve found that the 7 gfs I’ve had are interested in me, and they are the only women interested in me. If my gf wasn’t genuinely attracted to me and wanted me, I just wouldn’t be with her. I’m only with her for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:59 PM
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I mean idk if it’s what everyone else feels, but it’s certainly what I feel. I don’t hate the women for engaging in casual sex, I hate myself for not being good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:41 PM
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I mean idk if it’s what everyone else feels, but it’s certainly what I feel. I don’t hate the women for engaging in casual sex, I hate myself for not being good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:41 PM
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Pretty much my situation. If I could get casual sex, I probably wouldn’t even be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:35 PM
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Not really. A hot woman has plenty of offers for commitment, this strategy only works if you’re a Chad. She’ll sleep with Chad to make sure he sticks around, but she’ll easily make the average looking guy wait around to make sure he sticks around and if he goes, it’s cool, there are other men who will take his place,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:34 PM
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Still, I doubt saying you’re willing to commit and stuff is going to make a guy who is a 5 look like an 8. And if anything a woman isn’t going to wait around for a 5 who is sitting on his commitment. If anything, they’ll only wait around for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:22 PM
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I don’t care about N-Counts, by all means a woman can have sex with whoever. The high N-Count only matters to me because I didn’t get to have casual sex, and obviously the men who got to have sex with her casually got to. It’s an inadequacy thing and she would always be a reminder that I didn’t get to engage in casual sex. So it’s not really specifically her, this came up with an ex of mine, I didn’t care she had casual sex with men before me, it was that I didn’t have casual sex before her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:21 PM
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I mean attractive guys can be honest and get laid all the time. Fact is that if you need to lie or be ambiguous, then you’re not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 05:07 PM
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It is a first world problem. I don’t need people to feel bad for me, I feel bad enough for myself as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 04:24 PM
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I wouldn’t care, and to be honest sex from her isn’t validating. It’s not that I don’t find her attractive or that she doesn’t want to fuck me, or desires me because she absolutely does desire and want me to the point where she initiates sex more than I do. Fact is, she is just one person, and I felt the same with my other exes. They are just 7 women, they aren’t a lot of people and it’s a very low number. It doesn’t mean I’m objectively attractive, only attractive to them. Which makes me depres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 03:56 PM
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You’re not necessarily wrong there. I want to be validated for my looks by attractive women for mostly ego reasons. Casual sex implies that you are sexually desirable because many women want to have sex with you with no other strings attached. I’m not going to deny it and pretend it’s anything more than shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 03:26 PM
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Yes, I do. Women haven’t even tried to poach me from my gf or hit on me ever. I want to feel attractive, having a gf doesn’t mean I’m objectively attractive, it just means that one person finds good enough to date, which doesn’t even mean they find me attractive for my looks as relationships are super easy to get for men and require things other than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 03:01 PM
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Are there as many women in clubs as there are men there? It’s about the same, maybe 55/45 men to women. And if you’re not going to clubs, then you go to bars and stuff and it’s a pretty solid ratio. I don’t know where people get this idea that women just stay at home and read the Bible on Saturdays, that’s not what it is here at all. They just don’t want sex with unattractive dudes, are you telling me that a 5’6 dude is absolutely slaying attractive women in Russia?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 02:39 PM
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It’s probably a cultural thing, and to be fair I’m from the west. While most men don’t really realize it’s about Validation, it’s somewhere in there because if you’re having casual sex it means you’re desirable and are wanted by many women. I’d argue I have a wholesome personality, I have friends, a gf, supportive family, most people tend to like me as a person. However I still very much require that validation to be happy, and without it I just cannot be happy. That being said, my depression ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 02:36 PM
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Also, I suggest you to not judge about it basing on attitudes towards LGBT. Who said I was basing it on LGBT attitudes? That had nothing to do with it. I’m aware Russia is pretty liberal with sex, Germany kind of is as long as you are tall because many people are tall there. Netherlands I imagine is liberal too, but still again you need to be hot. If you’re not considered attractive by society’s standards then you won’t be successful. 5’6 is 5’6 anywhere. American women here are telling they con…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 02:33 PM
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Yup, no arguments here. We require validation through different means. For example a relationship isn’t validating to me, where for women it’s prime validation. On the flip side casual sex and being offered it all the time would be extremely validating to me, while for women it isn’t. I think a lot of people like to project their own wants and desires onto other people and find it difficult to put themselves in their shoes. Regardless of the reason they are depressed, obviously it must be import…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 02:07 PM
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Sure, I’m aware that there are different women and they have different ways they go about it. However as a man, if you’re never courted by women at all, or had blatant IOIs directed toward you, then you kind of know where you stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:55 PM
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Maybe? But it’s a bit hard for a lot of people to pick up their lives and move to different parts of the world.l for extended periods of time, especially if your career is difficult to move. Going for like a week on vacation isn’t a good representation, you need to spend a lot of time there, or know someone from other parts of the world. I’ve found Europeans to be a bit more conservative in certain parts, and to have the same standards for men according to what I’ve read and talked with people. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:44 PM
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I don’t feel like it’s Americans as whole wanting women to be pure or needing to be pure. You ever been on a college campus in the US. People are absolutely fucking, but again it’s the guys in the frat who are attractive. I don’t think it has anything to do with values because women are absolutely lusting and hooking up with dudes, it’s just the hot ones. The only reason I’m not getting the attention and casual sex I want is because I’m not hot enough and values aren’t going to change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:35 PM
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Sure, but there’s also realism. No one is saying she has to pick the absolute bottom of the barrel, but I’ve met so many women who are unwilling to date men who aren’t tall or some shit, but complain about being single. If you’re fine waiting around and not complaining, more power to you, I ain’t gonna bash you. But if you’re complaining about being single when you have at least pretty viable options that may not be 100% what you want, then lower your standards and go with the best option you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:32 PM
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Yeah, but to your point I think most incels are average looking and can absolutely find commitment. The problem is they don’t want it and just want casual sex and are unwilling to go for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:11 PM
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I’m just going to copy and paste what I said up there. I guess. It’s never been that much of a problem, but to be fair I am a loser and don’t have many options. Not to mention if I was hot and could get casual sex, I probably wouldn’t even look for commitment in the first place. Or I’m lucky or whatever, and the women who I’ve made my intentions clear toward were also feeling the same. It makes sense, being average looking and short the only options I have are relationships and gfs so if they’re…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:07 PM
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I guess. It’s never been that much of a problem, but to be fair I am a loser and don’t have many options. Not to mention if I was hot and could get casual sex, I probably wouldn’t even look for commitment in the first place. Or I’m just lucky or whatever and the women I’ve made my intentions to were also interested. Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:05 PM
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Like the ranking system and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:04 PM
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Yeah Im glad I never got into online gaming or gaming in general. But yeah the whole “going after the wrong girls” thing is BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:04 PM
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I mean I’m not arguing this, it’s pretty much my experience. Which sucks because I can’t be one of the men who are able to even participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:02 PM
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Idk, lots of women are having casual sex out there as most women have their “fun” phase. The problem is they’re only having casual sex with men who are objectively attractive. Don’t hate them for it, just wish I was one of those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:56 PM
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I’ve never even play League of Legends. This sounds super difficult to follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:50 PM
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Also true. Gotta find the balance. In my experience, as finding commitment has never been difficult (casual sex on the other hand is impossible), making my intentions known around the second and sometimes third is met well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:48 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:47 PM
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Well for the last 10 years, I have been very into personal care, not like it’s done anything for me in the casual sex department, but I still do it for other reasons. Hair: I get a haircut every 3-4 weeks, after that the layers in my hair kind of start growing out to much. I have thick and wavy hair that grows relatively fast, it’s only kind of just started receding, but it’s at the level where I can make it less noticeable and I still get compliments on my hair. I usually go to trendy salons, o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:45 PM
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”Nice guys” think they have no problems, and any woman who rejects them is in the wrong. Pretty much the defining factor of a nice guy. But most “nice guys” are usually autistic, socially awkward, or unattractive. They are going to keep thinking this way until someone snaps them out of it and is just upfront and tells them why they are getting rejected, whether it’s a girl they’re after, friends, family, acquaintances, etc. because frankly they’re not going to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:18 PM
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Pretty much, most men will let a woman know by the second date in either subtle or blatant ways. If he hasn’t talked about future plans with you by let’s say date three, then he doesn’t want to commit and if you want commitment, move the hell on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:14 PM
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I really do not think so. Women do have options, but it’s options they don’t even want to give the time of day. The reason for their troubles is because of their own doings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:10 PM
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Nope. Always been within a healthy BMI, and have never been close to fat. The problem is I am 5’6.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:31 AM
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Yup. Went on tinder, went to parties, clubs, bars, etc. I got no attention, no IOIs, nobody wanted to hookup with me. Tried flirting and approaching, but they didn’t want my company for sex. Hell I live in a major US city, and me and my friends had a house at one point where we literally threw parties. No casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:24 AM
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Are you going to cry yourself to sleep every night because you’re not a billionaire with a harem of 72 10/10 virgins all going insane to wet your dick? No? I’m not even asking for that. Im just wishing I could be attractive enough to get casual sex and be validated for my looks. That matters to me, and I’ve tried my absolute hardest to get that, and I have been unsuccessful. I am short and I have an average face. It’s absolutely defeating to know you tried and you still failed. There are plenty …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:13 AM
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I mean there are plenty of narcissistic Chads out there, and they’re successful at getting what they want. The only problem is I’m not hot enough. I envy those men entirely because they are living the life I’d give just about anything to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 11:11 AM
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Oh also, you think every single guy who can’t get laid is just a fat dude who doesn’t dress well. Well I’m a guy who has been trying for the last 10 years, I can list them if you want, but I’ve tried all you have said and I still don’t have casual sex. I’m short, and I have an average face. Nothing can fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 11:30 PM
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Honestly for me, it’s really not about the sex. I’ve had sexual before, but only while in a relationship. I’ve never had casual sex, for men casual sex with women they find attractive means you are desired, wanted, over all other choices they have. The reason I want have casual sex is because I want the validation that comes with it, I want the feeling of being desired by not just one women at one time. I want to feel like I have options, something I just don’t have because really only 7 or so w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 10:15 PM
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Yeah but if you have to approach all the time, then you’re not attractive. When you’re attractive, women will make the approach, of at least give you some pretty blatant IOIs. I see it all the time, women stare, try to get the attention, and will absolutely approach hot guys in clubs, bars, concerts, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 10:02 PM
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What? No, what dude is going to say they don’t want a sexual girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 05:17 PM
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I’ve never found getting a relationship difficult, even with women I genuinely like. You’re making it seem like women are hard to understand, but I’ve always been able to. Anyone can get into a relationship, either go for women older or you’ll have to wait. I envy your life though, all I want is to be hot and have casual sex. Relationships and dating are about pivoting and realizing you might not get what you want. If you don’t mind waiting, then i guess wait it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 04:59 PM
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Yeah but if you’re so attractive you can have a bunch of casual sex then you should have no problem finding someone who meets your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 04:13 PM
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I can honestly say that I’ve put in a lot of work into getting that validation, but I was never able to get casual sex. Sure I got relationships and plenty of sex that way, but it just doesn’t validate me the way I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 01:06 PM
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I mean, why don’t you just stop having casual sex? I can’t have it because I’m not attractive enough to have it, but if you’re having all this casual sex then you can easily get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 01:02 PM
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I can’t disagree with this. All I’ve had is relationship sex, and I really want casual sex for the validation because I’ve never had it and I don’t like what it says about me. Still some men who have it just love to have it, and maybe I can be one of those men. I just wish I could have the chance to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 02:39 AM
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This is an interesting perspective I never thought about before. Perhaps my view on strip clubs as a whole has changed, but I still won’t participate in them. It’s depressing in a way, but I know how he feels as an average guy. Like I would give anything to be a hot guy and feel like the center of attention, if for me I couldn’t get immersed into it because it isn’t real and I would know it isn’t real. It’s probably why I don’t play video games or get sucked into novels, I just can’t immerse mys…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 01:05 AM
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Oh, I don’t. Every girl I’ve ever been with has given me 100%, even if they were fucking dudes before me, their sex drives were equal and sometimes surpassed mine. They also never had any sort of “limits” with me, or pretended they weren’t sexual or anything like that. If I don’t feel my needs get met, I just leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 09:37 PM
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This. Getting laid is all looks, doesn’t matter what your values are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:25 PM
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I don’t understand the point of strip clubs, I’ve been to them, but they’re meh. Never have and never will hire a hooker, doesn’t give me the validation I require.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:24 PM
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Mhm.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:00 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 06:00 PM
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I mean I doubt my way of thinking is necessarily better or healthy either, but at this point is just the default.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 04:49 PM
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I already have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 04:22 PM
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Yeah it sucks. I just want to be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:10 PM
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What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:09 PM
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It’s true. I would watch a friend of mine dance and try his hardest to entertain women while we were loving together. I had given up trying to get casual sex being short and having an average face I realized it was a battle I wasn’t going to win, but to his credit he still tried although being objectively below average. I would see him truly pound the pavement, he could talk to just about any girl, and they just weren’t feeling it whatsoever. They would straight up just ditch him, and shoot him …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:22 PM
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Don’t get me wrong, I don’t really care about women hooking up and certainly don’t hate them for it, I just hate the fact I’m not good enough to make them want to hook up with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:55 PM
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Damn, can make a guy a suicidal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 11:25 AM
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Damn, probably lives a completely different life filled with validation. I am truly envious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 11:13 AM
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Well I’ve gotten used to the idea of getting married and having kids in general. I’m not having casual sex, not have the ability to do so, so it’s not like getting married will tie me down or anything, because frankly women aren’t trying to fuck me. So yeah I don’t get my first choice, but whatever this is good enough. I probably would’ve chosen it anyway naturally if I got to have casual sex and get my validation from it, but I guess I’m gonna do it anyway, just gonna do it miserable, invalidat…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 11:12 AM
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Which is why men feel so validated by casual sex, it’s the fact women don’t just fuck any guy. If you get to have casual sex, it’s because you were chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:47 AM
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I mean, my situation is pretty much this. I never have been able to get casual sex, only relationship sex, and it’s pretty much left me absolutely depressed about it. It’s because I don’t have the validation I want which is a woman finds me hot enough to fuck me casually. A prostitute won’t fix that, because it’s not about sex, it’s about a woman I find attractive finding me hot. Can male friends fill this void? No. I have male friends and had them for about 15 years, and they don’t validate me …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:45 AM
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And how hot is he?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:29 AM
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Pretty much, hate being told it’s not worth it, maybe to you, but I’d like to find out what is and isn’t worth it to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 10:17 AM
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We aren’t selling what the girls are buying Obviously. And it sucks because there’s just nothing we can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 04:07 AM
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Im just gonna copy and paste what I said before about everything I’ve done over the last 10 years I have, I have been doing it for the last decade. Hell, one of my side gigs is helping men with their style and overall appearance (except with fitness, I ain’t a trainer). But seriously I have always been super hygienic, had trendy haircuts and have gone to trendy salons, kept up to date with fashion and fit, been going to the gym, however I have only really had very little to no definition. I trie…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 04:06 AM
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I’ve got no problem finding a relationship, relationships are easy to get for any dude. I even once dated a Stacey for like 6 months (it was luck, and she was self admitted to not be attracted to “classically handsome men”, whatever that means). Casual sex is what’s impossible for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:50 AM
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Lol I did go to House Parties while in college and used to throw them after I graduated in a major city in the East Coast. They were not into it with me, and besides they’d be too fucked up anyway, they need to want to be there. It just feels weird and a bit predatory to not be on the same level as them. And I mean, I did kind lower my standards but if I go to low then I’m just feeling shame. I have to feel some sort of validation at the end of this. Either way, the ugly/shy girls weren’t giving…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:40 AM
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Thanks. I mean I have no problem feeling love, after all I do love and care about her, I’m definitely not lying when I tell her that. I’m not able to have casual sex, I’m aware and it makes me miserable every day, but I still will love her because this is the best I can do. Is it my ideal situation? No, my ideal situation would be walking into a bar on any given night and taking home whatever girl I want, or go on tinder with a whole bunch of matches and women messaging me and being willing to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 03:26 AM
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Mhm, and if you’re not able to get casual sex... well then you know where you stand. As someone unable to get casual sex, I sure as hell know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:59 AM
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I never said you would be attracted to the person who is attracted to you, only that someone would be attracted to you. There are only a few people in the world (maybe less than 5%) that are truly universally ugly to every single person. The rest of the objectively unattractive people either just needs to take what they can get, or be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:58 AM
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Ha, I get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:35 AM
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Nah, I’m good. I will never be happy unless I’m hot. That’s it. Nothing is good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:31 AM
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No, it’s not. I’d rather have the choice in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:29 AM
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Well regardless I’m not going to get to find out, unless you know a way for me to become a straight up Chad. That position, even if it’s destructive sounds way better than the position I am in now. Because, the way I think is honestly pretty destructive as is, but at least if I was a hot guy getting validation from casual sex, at least I’m succeeding at getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:24 AM
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Well obviously they are doing something and are hot enough to get laid and fuck their best friend’s girl make a woman cheat on her spouse, I’m not hot enough to even bring a girl home from the bar. Even if it doesn’t fully validate me and I have to keep wanting more, the fact I can continue to get as much as I want is what I want. I’m already feeling unsatisfied and want to be validated, but I’m not good enough to actually get any of it. I’m not even able to get the drug to begin with. I just wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 02:19 AM
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Well it will give me value in the way I think personally matters. But that’s what i want, not what anyone else has to want. And plenty of hot dudes on lookism, and PPD, and I see it all the time IRL have the same mindset and get laid just fine. Let’s face it, if I was hot regardless of my mindset I’d still be able to get laid just fine. I appreciate your well wishes, regardless if you mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:57 AM
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I’m 5’6 actually so compared to most men in any given room, I’m usually one of the shortest dudes in the room, if not the shortest. And, how low are my standards supposed to go? Because I lowered them a decent amount when I was single, but at the end of the day I still need some validation in this, after all that’s what this is about, validation; it’s not about getting my nut, it’s about women I at least find at the minimum threshold of attractiveness thinking I’m hot and down to casually fuck m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:41 AM
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Do you think I haven’t tried? I feel this way because I have tried my absolute best and still failed. I’m just gonna copy and paste what I told someone else in this thread. I have, I have been doing it for the last decade. Hell, one of my side gigs is helping men with their style and overall appearance (except with fitness, I ain’t a trainer). But seriously I have always been super hygienic, had trendy haircuts and have gone to trendy salons, kept up to date with fashion and fit, been going to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:28 AM
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You are not wrong, and if I could get regular sex, like I magically woke up looking like an objectively attractive dude and could have any girl I wanted casually, then yes I would 100% drop her because I’m not gonna cheat on her. I suppose I am being selfish, but what do you expect me to do? Not have sex and be alone all the time? C’mon dude, you gotta give me some benefit here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:15 AM
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You have no once been able to get hook up with a drunk chick at a party? No, they aren’t interested in me, or frankly I just have no attraction to them and don’t really try to go for it. I still have to keep some standards, and if I truly have to make them that low, what’s even the point anymore? I need some sort of validation from this exchange and I sure as hell don’t expect someone to lower their standards for me. Sadly I’m just not good enough to meet those standards. I’m guessing you don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 01:11 AM
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Well all things considered we’ve been together for two years. Do you think I just ignore her and am super cold? No, not at all. On the outside I genuinely seem like a person who wants to be there and have no interest in casual sex, because simply put I have to. Seriously the amount of people who tell me how happy I seem is enough to almost make me believe it. I’ve accepted this is all I can get, so I’ve gone all in on it. At the end of the day, if she is happy, and I get something I kind of want…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:34 AM
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What do you mean apathetic towards his ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:22 AM
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I have, I have been doing it for the last decade. Hell, one of my side gigs is helping men with their style and overall appearance (except with fitness, I ain’t a trainer). But seriously I have always been super hygienic, had trendy haircuts and have gone to trendy salons, kept up to date with fashion and fit, been going to the gym, however I have only really had very little to no definition. I tried to use trainers and nutritionists, but I saw little results even following their workout and mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:08 AM
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Is what it is at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:02 AM
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For most men casual sex is validating and extremely fulfilling, regardless of whether the woman orgasms or not. So a lot of men on here (OP as well) kind of project their wants and desires to women believing they want the same thing and get validation from same things, but that’s just not the case. I think it’s sometimes hard to see other points of view, which is why men and women butt heads on the casual sex/relationship arguments, simply put they’re just validated by different things. Outliers…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/19 12:01 AM
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Truth is every man and woman is attractive to at least someone out there and they’re also unattractive to st least someone out there. It’s impossible to be one or the other to every single person, sure most people might not find you attractive, but someone out there will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:56 PM
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Yes, she does. And I want to as well, seeing as I’m not going to get casual sex I might as well take that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:51 PM
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26.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:47 PM
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I mean, all things considered I have made peace with it. I’m aware I’m never going to have it, and yes it has made me extremely miserable and having intense feelings of inadequacy. However, those feelings haven’t really impeded my life in any way, so I mean it’s just kind of an issue I have to more or less deal with for the rest of my life. We’re all miserable and dissatisfied about something, I just happen to be about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:46 PM
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No. I’m not stupid, why would I tell her that? Believe it or not, I am a great partner, after all I have to be because I can’t get sex by being hot and talking to a girl on tinder or at a bar. All of my exes have told me how great of a partner I am, and she does as well. Why ruin her vision of me? And why would I lose my access to regular sex with someone who thinks I’m attractive and wants to be there? I doubt she or any woman would want to hear that I’m only with them for the sex and if given …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:44 PM
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I mean outside of sex, everything in my life is relatively great. If I was hot enough to even have casual sex I wouldn’t even be feeling like this to begin with because I’d be having it. I’ve been to therapy about it, I’m on medication, I have spent years trying to get it and I’m not able to. It’s pretty much the only thing I want, and the worst thing about it is the universe just telling me I’m not going to have it, I didn’t even get a choice in the matter. I don’t expect you to understand or e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:32 PM
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Because I would rather have casual sex, but I’m not able to do it because no matter what I have done I’m just not hot enough to get it otherwise I would be having it. I’m not necessarily dissatisfied with her, just dissatisfied in general but I honestly don’t see what a relationship gives me other than access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:25 PM
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No, regular sex is like the one of the top reasons I’m even in relationships. I can’t get casual sex so the only way I have found to be able to get sex is by being in a relationship; if I could get it casually I doubt I’d even be in a relationship. That being said, I have dated women who were prudish as hell (my current gf is an example) supposedly, but have high sexual appetites and are down for just about whatever I ask. I wouldn’t say I’m more of a giver or a taker, if she gives me something …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:20 PM
1

Fear of ending up alone, pressure from family, compromising in that he may not get all the sexual stuff he wants, but some sex is better than not having sex at all. Maybe he’ll believe she’ll grow to be more attracted to him or whatever (news flash it doesn’t work like that). Lack of options all around by not being attractive and for some men they’re just interested in whatever is interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 08:50 PM
1

Still more of a stud than me, I’ve never even had a FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 04:49 PM
1

Well, you beat me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 03:55 PM
2

Because fairness is a thing, and people don’t like to feel they’re being cheated and not treated the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 03:18 PM
1

Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:51 PM
2

I mean... you’re not really what I picture when I think of a Stacey. You’re definitely cute, no doubt on that one. But thinking you’re a Stacey? You can’t get “Stacey rewards” when you’re not one. One of my exes was an objective 9/10 and everything I described pretty much happened to her on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 01:38 PM
1

Are you actually a Stacey though? Because if you were, it would actually ripple out to your every day life. Men would be willing to buy you things, take you on trips, you’d have lots of orbiters, you would get stuff for free at stores or other places, people would just generally be drawn to you because you’re so damn objectively attractive. Men and women would stare as you walk down the street, the former being lust and the latter being jealously. This is what people are taking about when they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 12:50 PM
0

Meh, any average looking guy can do that. Not really a victory.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 12:41 PM
3

Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:37 AM
5

I’ve always wanted casual sex way over relationships, but I’m just not hot enough for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 02:24 AM
2

Women. All insecurities for men come from how women perceive them. If women didn’t make fun of/ were attracted to dudes being short, or bald, or whatever, then guys wouldn’t have any problems with being that. That being said, can’t blame them for necessarily having those preferences, not their fault I’m not attractive enough, but the only reasons I don’t like being short is because it doesn’t make me hot to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 10:56 PM
6

26/M, with an n count of 7. All of those were women I was in relationships with, no casual partners unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 10:53 PM
1

I am indifferent to it I guess? I certainly don’t think they’re bad people. I got no problems with women sleeping around and having casual, the only problem I have is with me for not being attractive enough to sleep to want to casually have sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 04:21 AM
1

Wow, such shocking responses so far. Of course women want masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 07:44 PM
1

I have tried and have been unable to get it. Fact of the matter is I’m just not hot enough to get casual sex as casual sex is primarily based on looks. Relationships rely on other factors such a personality, values, overall compatibility, etc. and if you excel in these it can help overshadow an average or below average looking guy in a relationship context.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 06:59 PM
0

Yes. It’s the only sex I’ve ever gotten.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 06:26 PM
3

The 80/20 rule only applies to casual sex. It doesn’t apply to people who are married or LTRs. Most average looking dudes can get into relationships provided they aren’t a straight up autist, but regular casual sex is pretty much done by the top 20%. The men that care simply only care because they aren’t in the top 20% and not having the casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 02:17 PM
5

Yes, 100%. I have never had any casual sex whatsoever. And if a girl calls me a gross fuckboy, I would absolutely take it as a compliment; rather be a hot fuckboy who gets laid than a good guy and can only get relationship sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 02:13 PM
4

This feels a bit too perfect, like it was made by some incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 06:03 PM
1

There’s no point. The only way for that to happen is that she is attracted to you 100% and the rest falls into place.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 04:43 AM
1

At the end of the day it’s what matters. I had exes with partner counts higher than mine, hey they were extremely attracted to me to the point where they were initiating sex a majority of the time and down to do whatever I wanted. That being said I still had a problem with their partner count but it was never specifically with the women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 04:42 AM
1

Attractive men have a type because they have options and can choose what type of women want them, the average or below average dude’s type is whatever wants to fuck them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 04:40 AM
1

To be fair, believing men and women are the same is pretty stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 07:19 PM
3

Because there is no “team men”. If a dude finds he’s doing better than another guy because that other one is short or balding and he isn’t, he won’t genuinely care. Men only care if they have the problems themselves, for most men the thought is “well it ain’t me or anyone I care about, then I don’t care”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 06:15 PM
1

You make it sound like dudes aren’t doing that already. The 6/10 woman wants a dude 7/10 and above, regardless of being a bad boy or not. A guy who is 7/10 and decent will have the same success as a bad boy who’ll ditch his family, it’s all about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 06:11 PM
5

Money still had to be earned somehow by someone along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 03:49 PM
1

Idk, I always thought youth was something you are, and money is something you have. Essentially something you have can be taken away, but wanting someone because they are young, or because they are hot, that’s just what those people are. Youth and looks can be taken away sure because of time or other reasons, but the fact is that you are still liked for you, because you are those things. It’s a lot more validating than being wanted for an outside force that can be taken away. It’s a little simil…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 03:38 PM
1

Why the hell does it matter? If you don’t want to have children I get it, shit’s kind of bad deal for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 01:11 PM
2

Pretty much. That’s not a gender things, that’s a human thing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 12:01 PM
1

It’s an interesting idea, I can at least say that. However I’m pretty sure I’m not getting casual sex because I am objectively unattractive and only a few women have ever been interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/19 11:51 AM
2

What problems did we make up exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:14 PM
1

Sure, but it seems like you’re just sort of using him. That’s kind of shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:11 PM
0

lol if it isn’t a problem, then why don’t you tell your bf?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/19 05:00 PM
2

I agree with you that if a hot women genuinely finds an unattractive dude (and vice versa) but to be fair it makes sense that an objectively hot person would mostly want to be with an objectively attractive person (if anything because they have options to do so). I was simply saying that’s it’s just can’t be unattractive to every single person, I didn’t say that the person that would be attracted to you would be the one you are also attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 10:17 PM
4

Truth be told, men and women have the same varied tastes. Fact is that it’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to every single person, but there are men and women with certain features that appeal to a much wider audience than others, but at the same time someone out there will find them unattractive. The people I just mentioned would be objectively attractive and subjectively unattractive, while others are objectively unattractive, but subjectively unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 09:39 PM
1

And I suppose you know what I specifically should want?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 12:43 PM
1

Yes. It is needed to become a well rounded and healthy individual. You need to feel the love, intimacy, and overall validation of it. If you don’t get those things, then you’re behind the curve of an average person’s psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 01:33 AM
1

This is an interesting explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 01:32 AM
1

Well guess we won’t find out since I’m not able to get it. Regardless I know what’s good for me specifically. People have different needs and desires, everybody is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 01:23 AM
0

Hey man, I don’t tell you what you should want and desire. Don’t tell me what I should want and desire. Regardless of how much it doesn’t matter to you, it matters to me and the best part is, you’re not me, I am me. So again, don’t tell me what I should want. If I’m going to be miserable about it, is what it is. I’ve been to therapists about it and pretty much told them the same thing. Also if it makes you feel better I’m not gonna kill myself over it, I still have a life outside it, doesn’t rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 09:22 PM
1

It’s a couple of things. It would mean I am sexually attractive and that’s validation that matters to me. Women on average have a lot of options for sex, and if you are chosen to be a casual sex partner that makes you the most attractive choice. It’s really a validation thing. The only thing I’ve ever wanted is to be hot. It’s something I missed out on. Regardless of how everyone personally feels about it, they cannot speak for me. Not to mention, I didn’t even really get a choice in the matter …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 09:17 PM
1

🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:29 PM
2

I thought that was the point of being friends in the first place? The idea is to be not be attracted to each other so you can have a friendship type of relationship. If anything I think when two people aren’t attracted to each other makes the friendship stronger. If anything, the advice should be that you shouldn’t be friends with people that you are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:04 PM
1

I already have the ride or die girl who is obsessed with me. All my exes have been very sexually attracted to me and have been more horny than even me. I have been feeling this way for about a year and we’ve been together for two years. I am still very supportive and loving to her and everything, my misery and desire to ditch her for casual sex hasn’t really messed with our relationships. Granted I haven’t told her how I feel (and I’m definitely not going to for obvious reasons). I don’t want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 04:59 PM
0

But I’ve been able to get relationships. Relationships weren’t difficult to get, casual sex was. I have had gfs and have one right now, but I really would rather have casual sex and be hot. Fact is I have done all of those things listed, and to be honest I still can’t get it. Tbh I’m probably just going to be miserable about it, there isn’t much I can do as it’s my biggest failure and I’m never gonna be able to get over it. But my misery hasn’t impeded my life and I’ve still been able to do thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 04:39 PM
2

Sure. But sometimes people have really tried their hardest to achieve the thing they want and failed. It’s not a matter of “do something about it”, it’s a matter of they have tried and failed and now are depressed about it. If we all tried our best and it would automatically give us what we desired, then there would be a lot less disappointed people or people who failed. Sometimes there’s just nothing you can do. But by all means, I think a person should do what they can before giving up, and if…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:52 PM
3

Again, you assume I’ve been doing absolutely nothing about it. If you want me to list to you everything I did for the last 10 years I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:48 PM
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It’s kind of like men have to either be the strong dude who can take anything, or he’s just a complainer that we shouldn’t care that he failed. No matter what if something bad happens to a man, it’s because he screwed up somewhere and it’s all because of him. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want people to feel bad for me, but they don’t have to keep saying “it’s all your fault” without even hearing my side. I’d rather just my problem be ignored, or someone say “your feeling is valid” and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:27 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, it’s just used as a way to brush off another person and how they feel because they don’t like the reality of a person being sad because of their circumstances. Like even when I have said that I don’t hate women for my lack of casual sex, I hate myself for not being good enough, I get met with “stop being so entitled to sex!”. Like what in my sentence did I say I deserve anything? Am I disappointed and depressed about it, absolutely. But do I think I even deserved it…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 12:52 PM
2

Holy shit. I’m genuinely sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 08:14 PM
0

Yeah but then you actually have to live in India.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:23 PM
2

If you don’t have 1, then you can’t get casual sex. That’s honestly it, and if you don’t care about that then just increase your RMV and find a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:22 PM
1

You must never leave the house if you honestly think nice, normal looking, boring job dudes are getting laid left and right. I don’t think they’re getting laid as much as you say. I think they can get relationships easily, but it’s not the same as getting regular casual sex with women whose weight doesn’t start with a 2 in front of it. In my experience as an average looking short dude with his shit together, getting a relationship isn’t relatively hard when I want a relationship and go looking f…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 05:21 PM
2

I’m actually watching my gf trying to get her first job out of college. She is going to be graduating in May and has been on maybe 15 interviews in the last month, shit is not easy at all anymore. Even I am trying to find a new job so I can advance and make more money, hell i’m even fine with making a lateral move and my experience has been with only large Fortune 500 companies and even getting an interview is difficult. The job market is bad, you either end up not even working in your field and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 04:57 AM
2

They are important to me. Not everything has to have a reason as to why it’s important, but I know that they are things I wanted. Those things would imply that I am objectively attractive, which is also something else I want. And I also tried hard too, but I didn’t succeed at getting those things myself, so obviously they were doing something right where I was doing something wrong. Considering they all happened to look better than me, I’m pretty sure it’s because I wasn’t attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 04:44 AM
1

Because my youth was not even close to what I wanted. I did try my hardest too, I wasn’t this dude who never showered, and ate Doritos in his room, who didn’t go to the gym, or didn’t get trendy haircuts or have a style. I essentially failed, even though I honestly tried a lot harder than most people talk about. Fact of the matter was that I just was not good enough, not good enough to be popular, not good enough to have lots of casual sex, not good enough to be in a frat, or play a sport, or do…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 12:45 AM
1

Hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/19 12:29 AM
2

Because I think going to a sex worker is pathetic and I don’t really support it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 12:07 PM
4

To be fair I feel like it’s just the same 20 threads over and over again here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 09:52 PM
1

But I’m not RP...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:44 PM
1

I never said women who have sex are sluts. When did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:19 PM
0

Well I was born in 92. But I’ve read accounts of people who dated in the 90s and they don’t have the same barriers we do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:17 PM
1

It wasn’t as prevalent, and besides I would say Tinder being an app where you just swipe based on face has changed some things. I think it’s definitely inflated some women’s egos because of how thirsty a lot of dudes are, so they believe they are hotter and will ignore a lot of dudes even IRL. Trust me I watched my friend try and try again at bars, clubs, parties, and in a year and a half he got laid once with a girl like 70 pounds heavier. Dude’s confident and probably the best conversationalis…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:15 PM
0

Things are a bit different now, the 90s dating is much more different than in 2019. Also no one cares about your old friends sharing each other’s partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:11 PM
1

How old are you/they? Swingers would imply that they are a bit older and already married.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 05:01 PM
1

I think you are right, but the grey area of average doesn’t really get casual sex. They’ll get relationships absolutely, but casual sex is absolutely reserved to the top 20%. There is nothing attractive about being average, you’re just an extra they hired to fill up with scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:03 PM
1

There’s a girl I met through one of my old roommate who is pretty much as close to a 10/10 as you can get. She came around a lot too. I wouldn’t necessary leave my girlfriend for her, but if she expressed any interest in hooking up I definitely wouldn’t say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/19 01:00 PM
3

Yeah I just feels like cute is just another way to say average. Either way I never took it as them thinking I was attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:31 PM
2

In my experience, cute means they want me for a relationship. That’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:29 PM
1

I mean I always try to go with girls shorter than me. I’m not trying to fuck women who are my height or above. But usually the women who are shorter what a dude who is taller (like most women in general). Doesn’t have to be Chris Hemsworth, but usually dudes who are of average height. Short men usually just get stuck with relationships for the most part. What do you think? I’m not trying to get with women shorter than me?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 09:26 PM
10

AKA, “This ain’t GOT and my last name ain’t Lannister.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:59 PM
30

Calling a guy cute or pretty instead of hot or handsome. It pretty much means they don’t see you as a sexual being. I know from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:42 PM
4

Idk, I’d take that as a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:41 PM
15

“I’m sure someone will want you, I don’t obviously, like at all. But I’m sure someone will, someone has to. Just, ya know, not me”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:40 PM
1

I got dates, just no hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 03:00 AM
2

Seriously I had about 1,000+ matches when I used it when I was single, I didn’t get laid though. Matches don’t mean shit, I might as well had 0
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 07:50 PM
1

I actually wouldn’t consider his looks to be generic. Bateman has a very good chin (which absolutely helps his profile), very good hairline, above average height at about 6’2, obviously fit, good facial hair coverage and “shape” of facial hair, and a good eye shape. Dude’s definitely good looking and has the features that are conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 03:24 PM
1

Absolutely, for most women (like 99%) but he’s not universally what does it for all women. If I don’t say that I’m sure that someone is gonna chime in and say “well actually I don’t like dudes like that”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 03:16 PM
1

I did say usually, which doesn’t mean that what I said is universally the case. I have known many tall men with below average conversation skills that still get laid quite a bit. It’s a difference in experience. I also didn’t mean short men get bullied for being short, but rather they tend to be the ones who are bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:44 PM
0

I guess. But being a Chad and being tall, having the physique and looks, and the conversation skills all kind of come together. I don’t see many short men with the universally attractive features of a general Chad, usually the taller men have those features. Also the personality comes from years of getting positive feedback and having practice in social situations. Granted that part doesn’t have to do with being good looking or tall every single time, but most of the guys who were bullied and os…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:31 PM
2

I guess. In my experience I always have to explain my point and I use myself as an example. I’ve got plenty of other posts on here saying I’m unattractive that are more simply stated I promise you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:23 PM
4

Yeah if she doesn’t see you as attractive to even begin with, those weird tactics they try won’t even work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 02:00 PM
1

Absolutely, everyone does have a type. Incels are dumb in that they believe that fucking Nick Bateman and some other model dude just have every single woman bending over as they pass by constantly. Problem is that certain men are the type of more women than others both physically and personality wise (and realistically you need both). It’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to every single person on the planet, but it’s fair to say that men who look a certain way just are the type of wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 01:58 PM
1

It helps a specific type of Asian guy, but it’s not universally making Asian men more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 12:35 PM
1

It almost definitely is your height dude. A lot of incels keep thinking that if you’re white you have this golden ticket to fuck any woman of any race. But as a 5’6 white male it’s just not the truth. Regardless of your race. If you’re tall and not fat, with relatively average facial features, congrats you’re at least a 6 objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 12:32 PM
2

I’d agree, one of them is something you are born with, and one can be achieved with working out. Even so, you can get a boob job and you’ll be fine. Can’t fix being 5’6
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 12:27 PM
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I’d argue height is kind of one of the requirements to be Chad. Very rarely have I ever seen a short guy be Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 12:22 PM
1

As a 5’6 guy, yeah this is my reality. Really it’s how you look compared to other men. Despite me being taller than the average woman, I’m still shorter than the average guy. Combined with the fact my face is average, there are just taller men who are most likely also into them that they will just go for or at least men who look as tall as most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/19 12:22 PM
2

Depends on the person. Personally I would rather just be alone, because I have never found relationships to add much to my life overall except access to unlimited sex as I’m not hot enough to get casual sex. I essentially settled completely because I can’t have the casual sex and single life I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 08:09 PM
1

I don’t think so. Really there are only so many people in the 20% available. It’s either begin to start settling, or just love your life alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 05:39 PM
5

Nah, I’m not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 04:25 PM
1

I mean their orbiters arguably aren’t benefitting from it. Yeah they get to be in the “presence” of the women, but just being in the presence of a person isn’t really a benefit. Even if it is, the girl is benefitting way way more, because she is pretty much getting everything she wants out of the situation. The orbiters however want sex/relationship, which they absolutely aren’t getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:47 PM
1

What vibe am I supposed to put out? Relationships rely way more on personality so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with mine if I can get relationships, and casual sex is more looks. Are you tall or at least average height? Because frankly not a lot of women are into 5’6 guys, and being short is pretty difficult to overlook, which i can’t really blame them for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 02:07 PM
1

I mean I used to actually throw parties at my house in the major city I lived in. I wasn’t getting laid though, because I’m not attractive enough for casual sex. No real difficulty getting a relationship though. Also my friends and I still go out and get drunk all the time, I still do some drugs occasionally but I’ve chilled out a lot on the drugs since becoming 26 (fact is I just don’t want to pay for them). I can promise you that I have out myself in places to get casual sex, I just wasn’t hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 09:40 AM
1

... who said I specifically didn’t have fun with myself or my friends? We still go out, still drink and so drugs and whatever. Just no woman wanted to have fun with me outside of just a platonic relationship. I agreed with this dude’s explanation of the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 09:37 AM
6

Could not have said it better myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 11:05 PM
3

Can’t argue with that then.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 08:41 PM
1

I think it’s because I have an average face and I’m 5’6. Casual sex is all looks, and there is no problem with that at all. The idea is that you’ll never even see them again, why would it be anything else but physical attractiveness? Relationships are a bit more involved. They require more than just being 6 feet and having a strong jaw. They require comparability through things like personality, major values, and showing that you are a good partner through way of career, interests, style (becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 08:11 PM
1

Fair point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 07:59 PM
1

Because I’d want transparency and honesty from my friends. Otherwise why are we even friends? I’d prefer my friends tell me I’m ugly to my face rather than just think about it the entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 07:59 PM
2

I mean look at how you described them? If my friend found me repulsive I’d sure want to them to tell me. You seemed pretty mean there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 07:14 PM
1

Well the cause for this was so I can get casual sex, when that failed I did it for myself. The only thing I wanted was for people to tell me how hot I was and for women to just absolutely fawn over me. Plenty of men get that attention, I want it as well. I can see why you’d think that. Alpha M, while entertaining with maybe 5% of his advice being decent, isn’t really a person to go to advice for. Still I’ve watched some videos here and there to learn a few things about fit in terms of shirt leng…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:44 PM
1

No arguments or problem with that whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:26 PM
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You think I haven’t tried? Bruh, I have been caring about my appearance regularly for over a decade, Hell even one of my side gigs involves helping men dress and style themselves correctly; who the hell is gonna pay a guy who doesn’t look like he knows what he is doing? I have worked out as well, but no matter what I do I cannot gain muscle correctly, I am one of the very few exceptions where I have had nutritionists and trainers make meal and workout plans for me and I get very little results. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:24 PM
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It’s shallow because it’s 100% based on looks. It’s selfish because people have stated that the hookups (at least from the guy’s perspective) is about them getting off and not caring about the other person. And irrational because look at some of the rejections on /r/tinder. I don’t really have a problem with shallow people btw, hell if I was hotter and was allowed to be shallow and benefit from that strategy, I would do it too. I just wish I was one of the hot people who can get laid on tinder o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:10 PM
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Well it’s true, but if it makes you feel better it’s not the only reason. but I don’t kill myself for other specific reasons that essentially tell me that make me know life is worth living, even if it’s just “my family and friends will be sad”. I’m on medication and I see a therapist, but I’m just saying my experience and how depressed it makes me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:06 PM
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Yeah, but just tell him it’s because you don’t find him attractive. Why is that so hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 06:04 PM
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Why lie to your friend though? I thought we were supposed to trust our friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:54 PM
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This is really it, or it would automatically be a FWB situation. In my experience, I know in about 5 minutes of meeting a woman to know what she’s looking for from me and it doesn’t change over time whatsoever. All of my gfs and current gf made their intentions quite known to me very quickly (without saying “let’s start dating!”). No woman has ever been interested in casual sex, and women usually are fine being friends. It’s like the subliminally tell you “this is the space of friendship, this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:53 PM
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Oh yeah. It’s enough to make you suicidal at times when you realize you’ve never had that kind of attention from anyone but your gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:45 PM
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Idk, I guess when I go on /r/tinder or when I used tinder when I was single. Actually just tinder in general. Not complaining about it, but if you want a control group to show that people are shallow, selfish, and act irrationally, I feel it’s a great place to show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:44 PM
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35 is when I want to start having children, the max is like 40 or 41. Frankly I want to have as much time to prepare as possible. Yeah yeah “you’ll never be prepared” and I know that, but if I can get as close to prepared as possible I’ll take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 05:42 PM
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Because we shouldn’t lie to our friends or hold back information.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:16 PM
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Better than lying
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 04:09 PM
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I mean I would and I do. I wouldn’t expect my friends to soften any blows for me either.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:59 PM
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But she’s not being honest for the reason of that. Which is why I’m saying to just say he’s not attractive. This is how the interaction would go. Guy - “Hey let’s be FWBs” Girl - “No thanks. No offense, but I don’t find you attractive. You’re insert physical reason here” Fin
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:58 PM
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And we shouldn’t lie to our friends. We should always be honest with them. Otherwise are we really friends? And yeah if they’re not cool with it, then by all means you two should cut ties and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:55 PM
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No, she just doesn’t think he’s hot. If she did, they would have had sex, or enter a FWB relationship. She should just say that and get it over with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:54 PM
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I mean I think you should be honest with them and let them know you’re not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:51 PM
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I guess, but truth be told the request has already been made. The idea has already been sprung, people shouldn’t lie to each other and just be honest in the situation. Fact is, if he was hot she would be down too. But she’s not, so she might as well just say “you’re not hot enough for me to want to fuck” and let him make the decision if he wants to proceed with the friendship. Is what it is, we can’t go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:47 PM
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Probably not, but at that point they’re both in different frames of mind toward each other and it’s probably time to go separate ways. Either he accepts that and moves on; or he gets mad, isn’t satisfied with the friendship, and then ends the friendship entirely. If two people have different feelings toward each other, no matter what kind of relationship it is, it cannot continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:25 PM
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Nah. If anything it could bring them closer. It’s just sex, plenty of people have FWBs and they’re just fine. However, being a FWB implies that you two are attracted to each other, just can’t date. If you’re not down for that, it just means either one or both isn’t attracted to each other at all. Seriously, if any woman were to ask their male friends if they’re down to fuck, 99% of the time (provided the girl isn’t too terrribly fat or unattractive) the male friends would be absolutely down to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:08 PM
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Lol it’s just an excuse to not say “you’re not hot enough for me to want to fuck”. Don’t get me wrong, I get it. But just be honest sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 01:38 PM
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I agree with that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 01:24 PM
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Bruh you’re not the norm. You got all of that because you’re hot. I’m 26, short and have an average face, ive had nowhere near this experience. I’ve had 7 sexual partners total. Most of my friends have worse stats, and if any of the info I’ve seen on here is true, most men have my stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:31 AM
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Wow, decent advice. Men can bring their RMV up quite easily, SMV is incredibly difficult, and for some men absolutely impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:28 AM
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I can agree with this. Also what’s the point of even having sex if she doesn’t desire you and want to be there?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:04 PM
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Because the attraction is for an LTR, not for casual sex. There are different rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:51 PM
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This is really it. There was someone who posted here and told his story about him hooking up. He claims to be a Chad essentially, and he said when having a ONS he never cared about anything more than getting his own nut, girls didn’t even get off at the end of it, but they were still giddily smiling about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:47 PM
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No arguments. Even if they are small conditions, they are conditions nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 01:43 PM
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The only people who say this shit are incels. She won’t get to fuck Chad, she’s like a 3-4/10, Chad can just go fuck all the 5-6/10s. This girl can maybe get a bored and extremely horny 7’if the stars align, but she can get a 5-6/10 if she swipes on tinder. She wouldn’t even register to Chads though if they’re really Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 04:29 AM
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Hell no. Women are cool and all, but I would never want to be one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:30 AM
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Well to be fair, bumble does let you specify the age you go after. Maybe you can narrow it down to someone older. My gf and I are about 4 years apart, I met her when I was 24 and she was 20. Just a thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:28 AM
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Good for you dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:25 AM
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Idk, I’m short and have an average face. I guess I do fine in the RMP as relationships aren’t really that difficult for me to get, casual sex has always been impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:23 AM
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I guess. I go back and forth about it, and tbh I think some aspects are true, and others aren’t and just plain silly sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:57 PM
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Blue pullers like to pretend that women online magically turn into different creatures with wildly different preferences. Fucking thank you. I’ve seen them go out and say “that’s only what they want right now”, if anything that’s worse because they don’t want you right now. If anything the online is a better indication of their preferences because they don’t have to worry about the public interaction. They can easily just say “no guys under 6 feet, short dudes are ugly and can’t touch me”, hell …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:47 PM
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It’s nice to have some reality in this place for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 08:19 PM
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Self interest. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:36 PM
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On the plus side, it seems the RP/BP have come together in their dislike of the Black Pill. On the downside there isn’t much discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:36 PM
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I was surprised he brought someone home at all, and then I saw her and was like “yeah okay, that makes a little sense”
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:28 PM
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But i thought everyone was able to get laid with enough personalitymaxxing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:27 PM
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I have a friend who is not attractive in the face whatsoever, but he had probably the best personality ever. He can talk to anyone, he had the most confidence out of anyone I knew, seriously if he saw a girl he just went up to her. He wasn’t on the spectrum whatsoever, in fact I’d argue he was the most socially adjusted person I’ve known. He lost weight, got a new style (I should know, I helped him get his style together). You know how successful he was in the year and half he was single and we …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:15 PM
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You assume every man can be the prize? Most men can’t be seen as a prize no matter how much lookmaxxing they do. Also no one is telling a woman they need to lower their standards, but if you’re a woman who is let’s say average looking, is kind of overweight (let’s say chubby) and are saying you deserve the 6 foot successful Chad, and aren’t having success finding your Prince Chadding, then yeah maybe you need to be just a bit realistic if you want to find someone. But, you can want and desire wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:11 PM
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Seriously, what does “killing it with women” mean? I love however every person knows this one short dude who is killing it with women. How can you even tell or know? What, do you take his word for it? Most men lie about their success, like yeah “this girl was totally all over my junk” when in reality they went to the bar, the women either ignored or rejected him, he went him, jerked off, and fell asleep alone. Fact is if you don’t see a guy taking a girl home with him, or leaving the club/bar/pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:08 PM
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You say that, but some men can do every single lolsmaxxing technique and still have little to no success dating
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 12:26 PM
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Wait is Lewis banned now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:14 AM
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Compliment. As a man it means I’m hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 12:18 AM
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Compliment. As a man it means I’m hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 12:18 AM
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Dude, I see it all the time. Girls will stare at a hot guy and try to get his attention, or look at him for a bit and quickly change direction but look at him again, try to get his attention, even go up to him if they want him enough. And also there were some dudes who post on /r/tinder who used to have the most garbage personalities and the most demeaning shit, they still were getting numbers and getting laid from hot women. If a dude is handsome enough, he can get sex whenever he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:29 PM
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I mean yeah, this isn’t really news. A hot guy can be dumb as a rock and have no personality, but he’ll still get laid which arguably matters way more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:25 PM
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Lol, well I feel like I am missing much. That’s my opinion on it and the things I desire. If you don’t agree, good news you’re not me. The only thing I care about is if they find me hot, that’s it. Do not tell me how I should feel or what I should want. And again you don’t realize this, it’s not about wanting relationships or that the looks of a person validates me, it’s the fact that women have only seen me decent enough for a relationship, and none have found me hot enough to have a ONS with (…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:25 PM
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Well I wouldn’t know, I’ve never been used for sex (although I would love the validation from it), and you’re right I’ve never had any ONS or casual hookups, only sex I’ve had are with my gfs and that’s about it. I’m not hot enough to get casual sex. Also I’m trying to use them too for sex and validation, so hey we’ll be on the same page. Ain’t no love or LTR in mind for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 05:03 PM
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Then that sounds like the perfect situation. I never see her again and I got my validation. Win/win
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:52 PM
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I agree with that. But some people just like lemonade. But like I said, there’s not really a solution. Some men will just be depressed, unfulfilled from their lack of success. And there’s nothing they can really do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:12 PM
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Which is cool. My gf is fine with short men too, all my gfs have. Things is though that outside the women I have dated, other women just don’t find me attractive. I never said it’s impossible for short men to find women who are cool with their height or attracted to them, I’m saying that the pool for short men is a lot smaller. That’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:55 PM
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I didn’t even say that’s it’s impossible to find someone. I was just saying that short men have it the roughest because most women just don’t find them attractive. It’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to all 3.5 billion women, but it’s fair to say that short men will have way less women attracted to them than a man average height or tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:53 PM
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Yeah, but the problem is that there are many short women who only want dudes who are like 5 or 6 inches taller than them because they want to wear heels and stuff. Also women on average like to feel smaller than the guy. Obviously there are outliers, but this is the general view made by women. Problem is that short men would be somewhere under 5’8. At 5’9 (at least in the US) you’re considered the average so it’s not too bad. Height also has to do with how you look against other men, an average …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:41 PM
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Yeah but what about short men? I too agree that bald men don’t have it as bad as they say (provided they still have a masculine attractive face), and even if they don’t like being bald, hair transplants are better than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:28 PM
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There’s really no solution. The only solution is for men to get hotter and be more desirable. You can’t force a woman to want to have sex with every man the same that men want everyone woman, so the only thing to do is just be the hottest you can. If you really put in the effort to looksmax and you can’t even find a gf for sex, then give up and call it a life. This might seem cynical (and it definitely is) but what other outcome is there that doesn’t involve rape or forcing women into some sort …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:01 PM
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No, you can’t convince someone to be or not to be attracted to another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:13 PM
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It’s money, the college educated parents tend to make more money on average and also tend to both have fulfilling careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 06:12 PM
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Yes. While it’s great to be seen as a provider, it can’t be the first thing that a woman thinks of when she looks at a man. This is kind of what a lot of men here fear, especially when they weren’t successful dating until they became a successful individual and made a lot of money. Something changed from their 20s when they were undesirable to their 30s when they became more desirable and also happen to be making more money. And if money is the only thing that changed, it’s hard not to think all…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:09 PM
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I live in a major city on the east coast of the US. Trust me, they ain’t biting. Also didn’t happen in college either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:32 PM
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There’s a difference between being seen solely as a provider, and being seeing as hit, and the provider part is tacked on. The former implies she is only with you for your money or what you can give her, not so much any attraction and thus doesn’t love you fully. She is really there for the gravy train and anything in regards to sex (which is more important to men than anything else) is more “duty” and something for her to “deal” with. It hurts men to know that if they didn’t have money, they wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:31 PM
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I am aware incels would kill to be in my shoes, and that is fine. I don’t discount their struggle, really though I feel incels are only going after the top 20% of women for relationships while not being in the top 20%. There is also a sense of personality problems they have, which relationships arguably based on. On those incel selfies subreddit, most are average. Average by no means is attractive, but as long as you present yourself as a good partner you can pretty much find a gf. Granted if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:04 PM
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Being hot is pretty much determined by genetics. I can’t make myself taller when I’m 5’6 or change my average facial features. And I’ve been pretty much outside of that have pretty much reached the limit I can possibly reach. You make it seem like I haven’t been trying. “Go be hot” is awful advice, if you weren’t given the right genetics or right starting point, you’re kind of screwed. Also, I don’t say this shit on the outside world, only really say it here. I don’t know why people assume I say…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 02:43 PM
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Damn, I wish I could be the guy who is hot and she doesn’t respect so I can get casual sex. Sounds like the perfect situation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:08 PM
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Which is why casual sex is so important to men. It implies you are physically attractive because is fucking you and there is nothing else behind it. If you don’t get casual sex, then you’re just not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:06 PM
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You just do it, I can’t explain it. If you take absolutely no risks in your life, you’ll end up doing nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 12:00 PM
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I agree, problem is for most men that strategy won’t work. You can be as picky as you want, but you’re more likely to end up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:10 PM
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There’s no weird disorder, the man is just hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:09 PM
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I don’t know. I’m pretty average looking and short, but I’ve been compatible with my exes and I’ve always been able to find a relationship. I am not by any means rich or successful and a lot of my gfs would variate who pays. I might have laid a little more of the time, but it by no means one sided. Any gifts she got me or I got them were equal in price , and usually not very expensive. I can get multiple gfs who genuinely are into me and I’m short and average looking (so below average) fucking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:08 PM
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It’s an accomplishment because I haven’t accomplished it. If you think it’s so easy, isn’t the fact is haven’t accomplished it a problem? You said that casual sex is meeting the minimum looks required for a casual hookup, well I obviously haven’t met them yet. And yeah I heard of that boom. Pretty much garbage, there’s only really one piece of advice to getting laid and that is to be tall and have a strong jaw. No amount of words on paper or advice can help you do better than “just be attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:29 PM
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Success honestly is a matter of perspective. To some I’m successful, to me I am. I have always been able to be in relationships, because relationships are based more on certain things other than raw attraction, which is why I don’t believe they are really any victory because let’s face it any dude can be in a relationship. In regards to looks, the threshold is much lower for a relationship. I haven’t gotten any casual sex whatsoever, because I just don’t meet the minimum requirements for looks. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:24 PM
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This is the validation I want, I’m not you. Just because you don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s stupid. And yeah I’m aware I’m pathetic, it hasn’t really hindered me in any other way anyway. Also I like how you ignored pretty much all I said and got mad that I didn’t agree with you. Cool 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:06 PM
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Stop, just stop. I have a life outside of that. I have done a lot in my 26 years of life, but none of makes me happy or gives me the validation I require. I need the validation for my looks, that’s it. Not being able to get pussy hasn’t made me a shut in, I’ve got hobbies, friends, families, traveling, I just don’t care about it. All you have told me is that I have never met the minimum requirements for a woman to want to just be DTF with me, which matters way more than her liking my personality…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:02 PM
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I’m 26, and no I really can’t realistically. I have student loans that I still need to get paid off which gets in the way. Im not drowning like a lot of people which I’m thankful for. I do have my savings and save a decent amount every paycheck, but realistically it would take me a lot of time, more time than you might think.I did the math quickly and it would take me 300 - 350 paychecks to get that kind of money. Day trading is just a scam, it’s a gamble at best and I really don’t like gambling…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:58 AM
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Look, plenty of Chad looking guys do the same, if that thread directed to hot guys was any indication. Lots of men still get laid all the time despite how needy they are, they’re just hot so it don’t matter. Not to mention I don’t say any of this outside in the real world, not to my friends, my family, my girlfriend, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:42 AM
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Man to woman: Be as attractive and feminine as possible to increase the amount of guys who want you. Remember to never get fat, make sure you’re fashionable and relatively trendy, that you know a decent amount about makeup and styling your hair. If you don’t do all of those things, then yeah a guy will still like you somewhere out there because it’s impossible whether you’re male or female to be attractive or unattractive to everyone; but understand that your pool will be severely lessened and y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:40 AM
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It’s not about having power, yeah you have power but you’re not getting hookups or have people validate your looks. What’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:36 AM
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Well regardless it ain’t happening, so I’m kind of stuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:35 AM
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I mean that’s just for a relationship, any average looking dude can get that. Casual sex is 99% of the time determined how hot they find you, and having your pick of who you hook up with is only reserved for attractive men. That’s what I want, I have relationships, they’re useless to me because I don’t get the validation I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:29 AM
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I actually have great skin, the most acne I ever had in my teens was a zit in an random spot on my face once every 3 or 4 months. I am aware how lucky I am for that. I am absolutely going to get plastic surgery at some point, probably a chin, jaw, cheekbone implants to start. I have been trying to get jacked for 5 years and I can’t do it. Leg Lengthening isn’t realistic and I don’t know why people keep thinking it’s a chin or jaw implant. Gor starters the cost is absolutely insane (hitting about…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 11:27 AM
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Sure but I’m talking about casual sex and getting laid a lot. Any guy can get a gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 05:02 AM
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To be fair, I think I’ve seen it said a lot less, but as far as I can tell no one was saying “looks don’t matter” but rather “looks don’t matter as much” and I agree if we’re talking in the context of a relationship. If you wanna get laid a lot, then yeah you’ll need to be hot. The thing is that the whole people who kept saying looks didn’t matter were the PUA scam artists. They knew what to say to give these dudes false hopes that their wit and charm can make them Chads. Ain’t no words or attit…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:05 AM
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That’s your opinion, to be fair the only thing I want is to be validated for my looks. I don’t want a relationship, I just want to be hot and fuck. That’s it. I couldn’t give a shit of people actually like me for me, I get that enough from my family and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:02 AM
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Being a college drop out is less masculine? How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:30 AM
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Well to be fair, everything outside that aspect of my life is pretty great. That just means way more to me and without it I am miserable. I mean my life is really good otherwise, I just don’t have the thing I want the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:28 AM
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Dude don’t tell me what to want. The only thing I want in my life is to be hot and to be told how hot I am, and to have casual sex. Without that, my life is miserable. I’m sorry if you don’t agree, but good news you’re not me. I already do work on myself for myself because regardless of what I do, it won’t get me laid. I’d give it all up for casual sex though, just say when and a guarantee that I’ll get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:27 AM
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Because it’s personally what I need. Because I need the validation that comes with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:21 AM
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Saw and responded. I appreciate your idea, not sure why you couldn’t just post it here, but whatever. Either way not the solution I’m looking for, but again thanks for trying
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:59 AM
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At least you’re not telling me “hey man they’re not that awesome! Relationships are better!” or whatever everyone keeps telling me I should want. I’m 26 I already tried to pull these, I was single for a year and half and still didn’t get one. And don’t you worry I put myself out there, and I was still unsuccessful. Hell the only reason I’m in a relationship now is to have sex. We’ve been together for two years, but I’d drop her for casual sex any day of the week, I won’t do that because I’m awar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:42 AM
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Nah. I’m not gonna their my desires on my future kid. Parents who live vicariously through their kids are just plain losers, they get nothing from it. I guess I’m selfish. Hell if I’m lucky I won’t get stuck with kids either. Technically my dad is about 5’11 and my mom was 5’1 but when she was young she looked like a Stacy. I came out average looking and 5’6, genetics isn’t a guarantee. Sometimes you just don’t pick the right numbers. I have no problem even getting into relationships with relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:30 AM
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Nope. No ONS, no FWB, no flings, no casual sex whatsoever. Any sex I’ve had is in the context of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:19 AM
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Why do I want my kid to be a Chad? What exactly would I get out of my kid being a Chad? Also Beta Bux? Yeah that’s gonna give me the validation I want. And it’s both, I’m 5’6 and I have an average looking face. I’ve already accepted it, I’m just extremely miserable about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:18 AM
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To be fair you don’t have to be an NBA Star to get laid a lot, lots of Chads out there aren’t famous yet get laid every weekend. It’s just because I’m not hot enough. It’s also not so much, but the validation that comes with it is what I care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:01 AM
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Different strokes, different folks my dude/dudette. As long as she thinks I’m hot I could care less. Lots of men have this choice and can do it, I’m just not enough to have that luxury. It’s the only thing I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:52 PM
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I’ve already done that. Hating myself hasn’t hindered my ability to progress in life, have relationships, pursue hobbies, get a career in the field I studied for with my dream company. Whether I hate myself or not, my life is pretty great outside of the thing I really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:51 PM
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Eh I kind of blame myself, but it’s not really directly. I just hate myself for not being hot enough is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:45 PM
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I get it, I just ain’t laughin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:44 PM
1

Regardless of what I do, I’ve been able to accomplish a decent amount in my life, even if I’ve been miserable while doing it. I don’t really care to do anything revolutionary, I just want to be hot. Anything I do, no matter how revolutionary or life changing it will be, is just a consolation prize. Still I do what I must, I still do what is necessary, still stuck with my gf, still go to work and give it 100% and eventually leave once I find a place that will give me more money or get promoted. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:40 PM
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Because it doesn’t give me the validation I desire. I want many women to tell me I’m hot and want for fuck me because they find me hot. Casual sex to me is just sex because they find you hot, don’t need any personality or other factors to want it. Ain’t no women looking for a bf on tinder, they want dick too. It’s partly the sex, but more the validation of what that sex implies. I’d say it’s like 70% validation, 30% sex. Also I find relationships are a waste of time and I just don’t desire them …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:35 PM
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Whatever works for you man. No judgements here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:31 PM
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I was saying that feeling depressed about my lack of looks and height hasn’t hindered in me doing what I want, except when it comes to getting laid and women thinking I’m hot. I was still able to find relationships, hobbies, travel, be successful working for the company I wanted to for more than half my life. For a 26 year old I’ve done a lot, but none of it matters if I can’t be Chad. Still I have to live my life, but everything is just a consolation prize to me. I imagine if I was attractive I…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:21 PM
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But what’s the point of being alpha if you don’t look like Chad? My friend was pretty alpha, acted all the ways you’re supposed to, but he was below average. He wasn’t getting sex, all women did was think he was weird and dumb. Alpha personality without alpha looks is just a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:15 PM
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Whatever you say 👌🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:13 PM
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It probably is, but to be fair the idea of casual sex is pretty selfish. I got no problem with selfishness or shallowness, I know I would do the same if that strategy would work for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:58 PM
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K.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:55 PM
2

I was doomed from the start. Being alpha is predetermined at birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:55 PM
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I just wish I was hot, no one else to hate for that, I can only blame myself. That being said it hasn’t really hindered any aspect of my life, just an undying feeling of misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:53 PM
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Well to be fair I’m not really looking for sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:50 PM
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Any average looking guy can get relationships. If you’re average and not getting a gf then something is wrong with you. And it doesn’t, because for relationships women tend to be lenient on some things for their partner than a ONS. She’ll think her ONS is way hotter than her LTR in a visceral and purely sexual way, which matters way more than a relationship love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:40 PM
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Nah, I would never resent those who have it better than me. That’s life, and they didn’t do anything to me. Just were better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:30 PM
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If that’s what you find value in, fantastic. I’m not going to tell you what to want. Why would I bash you for pursuing vanity? A loving partner to me is a consolation prize, a participation trophy, any guy can get that. Yes, even the hotties, just make sure you’re going after women of your level, obviously the lower levels just want you for the status, hotter women have it already and will tend to really want you. I want vanity over anything else, that’s what is the most valuable
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 08:14 PM
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Yeah but who gives a shit about long term relationships? All that says is that you’re a good partner, casual sex is the best way to determine how attractive she thinks you are. Any guy can get a relationship, few men can get casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 08:08 PM
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I think men should try all they can to become attractive in some way. However some men just can’t be Chad, and there’s nothing they can do to become it. I know from experience, I have done just about everything I can. All I’ve gotten are relationships, but I never got any casual sex. No one is to blame, just the genetic lottery for giving you a bad hand. It’s a problem without a solution. I don’t hate women because they don’t think I’m hot and want to fuck me, I hate myself for not being hot eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 08:03 PM
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👌🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:48 PM
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Well if you ask me, that’s what I want. At least being told I’m hot wont kill me. We’re just going have to agree to disagree, because we’re going around in circles. I’m miserable being average and there’s nothing you can say that can or will make me think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:45 PM
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The only thing that will give me inner peace is being hot and being told I’m hot. Like I said I’m the very very few times it’s happened, it has made me happier and given me more inner peace than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:26 PM
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Yeah but who is considered hotter? Because I’d rather just be told how hot I am. I could care less if anyone likes me for me or is interested, I just want women to tell me how hot I am. And I’ve known plenty of average looking dudes who are the lives of the party and exude confidence. They aren’t getting laid. They easily found relationships, but any average looking person can get them. Casual sex as much as you want it is worth so much more than a relationship. Like I said, if you told me that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:17 PM
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I agree. If you’re not born in the right place, it could make the difference between average and being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:13 PM
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And apparently you do as well. You talk like being average is so much better. Then be average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 07:06 PM
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First off, don’t tell me what would make me happy. I don’t think that good looking people don’t suffer, but rather I think the suffering would be worth it to be hot. And look, if you’re not happy being something people would give anything to be, then bring yourself down a few levels of attractiveness if it means that much to you. There was an episode of Nip/Tuck about this, a model that was basically considered one of the most beautiful women in the world hated the benefits she had from it (simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:50 PM
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K, well if I run into some genie or someone that says they’ll take away something and give me that dude’s looks I’ll let you know. I get what you’re trying to do, I really do. I have done more things than most people have at 26, but no matter what I have done or have in my life, nothing would mean more to me than essentially being a Chad and having that life. In the extremely few times women have thought I was attractive (can count on one hand) have not only made me feel more fulfilled, but have…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:26 PM
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I doubt he is making things up, and those negatives don’t matter to me. I would trade places with him any day of the week. Any aspect of my life I’d give away to be him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:18 PM
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That sounds like the perfect life to me, as long as women stare and think I’m hot. Being average isn’t this blissful life as you think. If so, make yourself average or shut up. I’d give away every single relationship, and the one I’m currently in to have his life and just have casual sex and be hot. That’s all I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:13 PM
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Just because one thing makes someone unhappy doesn’t mean it won’t make another happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 06:09 PM
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Alpha - Man who most women agree is attractive and can easily get relationships or casual sex. Beta - Man who is wanted by maybe 1 woman a year. Can get relationships easily (but less easy than alpha) and cannot have any casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 03:05 AM
2

I agree, but women want fun with one kind of guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 03:04 AM
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Lol no I’m not. I’m decent looking enough for relationships and that’s about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 05:42 PM
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We’ll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 05:42 PM
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This whole thread makes me suicidal, I’d give anything to be a hot man and have their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:17 PM
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Nah, if I could I’d do it all the time. I’m not hot enough to do it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:14 PM
1

This is my experience. Easy to get relationships, impossible to get ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 12:12 PM
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Reading this stuff makes me suicidal. This is the life I want more than anything. I just want to be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 11:56 AM
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0.2% is still better than 0
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 11:54 AM
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Career woman. I really do not like being the only person pulling his weight money wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 11:53 AM
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Exactly what more moves could he make? I’m telling you, this guy could talk to anyone and was liked by most people provided he didn’t make any moves sexually. He really was extremely confident in himself even though he had no reason to be. He went up to so many women, he had no problem embarrassing himself or taking a chance, and he was shot down every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 07:39 PM
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My buddy hadn’t acted in quite a few years when were living together. Being a rapper is considered attractive, occasionally acting in a local theatre company isn’t. He wasn’t doing anything interesting theatre wise, I mentioned that because I wanted to explain it’s not like he didn’t know how to speak, he did, he had been trained to. Even in high school girls still didn’t want him and told him how ugly he was. College wasn’t any better for him. Nah he didn’t go out every night... That part wasn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 07:32 PM
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Rapper Obviously it gives him status which makes a difference regardless of looks, how else does Peter Dinklage get laid? And he went out every single weekend for like a year and a half, he went to clubs, he went to bars, went to music festivals he went to all of the places where you can get casual sex, he was on tinder. We also used to have a house in a major city and threw parties a lot and he still wasn’t getting laid. It wasn’t that he didn’t finish what he started, no one wanted to start an…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 07:14 PM
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You say that, but he had little to no success. Getting one gf who is a girl no other guy wanted isn’t success. He had always been the life of the party, very charismatic, funny, and probably one of the best conversationalists I’ve ever met. He was a trained actor, so he was trained on how to speak. That didn’t get him laid however, wit and charm just don’t make up for good looks. I’m sorry. I get the problem exists that men need to get more experience, but frankly there’s just no way to do it if…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 07:07 PM
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I mean, I don’t think that’s really going to help. My friend did all of that and women still weren’t flocking to fuck him. He didn’t even have his first gf until like 25. You’re making it seem like these things can put a magical shroud over them and then them into Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 07:01 PM
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Okay but how can a man date a woman not attracted to him? And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 06:47 PM
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What do you propose is the solution? Most women aren’t interested in most men, can’t force the women to want the average looking men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 06:34 PM
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It won’t stop men from trying. If a guy wants to fuck or hit on you, he’s not planning on taking you away from your bf unless you’re an objective 8 or higher. He only wants to fuck you that night and preferably never see you again. Whether you’re in a relationship or not doesn’t change what he wants. “No” really is the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 12:51 AM
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Wow I guess she should’ve just “sensed” their intentions and not even been friends with them. She could be FWBs with them, her friends just aren’t hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:05 PM
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“WoMeN tHiNk BaLd MeN aRe HoT”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:01 PM
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Well I know I’ve never been used for sex. I would much prefer it because it would imply I’m hot enough to be wanted for just sex. That’s pretty much the only thing I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:57 PM
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If there’s no financial risk, I don’t get what the big deal is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 02:26 PM
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I never said it is. I’m just stating reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:29 PM
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Nah, to be honest most women would be happy sharing Chads. And most men will ignore weird looking women outside of a quick bang (yes incels this is true). People end up alone all the time simply because they can’t attract anyone, or so few people they’ll never meet them. There’s no one man for one woman, sometimes there’s nobody for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:02 PM
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Yeah isn’t this like one of the biggest advice given to average or ugly men? Be rich. It’s obvious that it implies that a woman won’t be attracted to them but rather only want them for their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 12:41 PM
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I mean you can find probably dozens of studies confirming the findings. Just go and ask the incels, they can link you some
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 04:01 AM
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Wow I really love the new Off-White burka.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 04:46 PM
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Nah, we don’t believe it’s muscular men. Just tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 05:37 AM
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I agree it’s my fault, I don’t blame anyone for that. It’s not women’s fault they have that privilege, it’s reality. Lots of men hate women because they don’t get laid, I hate myself because I can’t be a Chad and be attractive to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:04 PM
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Nah, I’m not talking about that. Women and hot men get casual sex easily, and while I would give just about anything to get casual sex easily and be told how hot I am, that’s not what I’m referring to. You say men run everything, meanwhile I know plenty of men that don’t and know plenty that are run by women. Hell my entire department at my company is women, in my office I am one of two men. My director is a woman, my senior director is a woman, my Vice President is a woman. The excuse of men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:50 PM
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The one where I’m finally seen as attractive by many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:17 PM
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Yeah because she thought I cheated on her. Granted I’m not exactly being poached by any woman, being that I’m not objectively attractive so I don’t know why she would even think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:16 PM
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It’s not just women, it’s everyone because no matter what we believe we are right and should be believed. That’s human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:14 PM
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Oh shit, I’m supposed to run everything? Where do I get my penis privilege card?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:13 PM
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Sure, but it takes two to tango. Women don’t have to let the men fuck then without a condom. It’s stupid as hell to have random sex without a condom for plenty of reasons and those men are dumb as hell, but you’re making it seem like men are forcing women into sex without a condom. Women can easily say no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 12:03 AM
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I mean I take medication every day. You’re making it seem like it’s a difficult thing to do. Also most men don’t find using a condom troublesome, they just like the way it feels without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 11:46 PM
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I mean I got no problem with that as long as it isn’t me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 09:18 PM
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I’m extroverted, and to be fair I do stuff like that anyway, but it depends on what you consider to be morally questionable, I’m always able to find a gf, no casual sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 09:02 PM
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You’re making a lot of assumptions that I would prefer not to have any casual sex if I could get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 08:39 PM
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I feel if you’re a person that need these articles, then the advice won’t work for you. Fact is there is only one piece of advice to help men get laid: Be Attractive. That’s it. If you’re wondering what you’re not getting laid then the answer is you’re just not hot enough. You’re not coming off too strong or not strong enough, it’s not that you’re not saying the right things, you’re just not hot enough. You either get laid or you don’t, there’s not potential unless you’re revamping your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 08:38 PM
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Some men age well, some women age well. Some men don’t age well, some women don’t age well. It happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 03:58 AM
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Bruh I’ve already done the best with what I have, don’t really know where else to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 03:09 AM
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Your point? It’s how you appear against other men. In a room full of men I’m usually one of the shortest, if not the shortest ones there. Women notice that shit. Also you don’t have to be an incel to realize that shorter men have a much smaller pool of women who find them hot. Also I’m not an idiot, I don’t think 5’9 is short. But when you’re 5’6 like me, yeah you are short.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 02:58 AM
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Yeah but how tall are you? If you’re already tall you’re way ahead of the curve, don’t know if any gyms to fix being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:09 AM
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I don’t think it’s possible to raise one’s SMV significantly, there are just some things you can’t escape no matter what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:08 AM
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Yeah but you just said that your husband is a niche that only a small number of women are into. Most men are aware they fall into this, they just wish they could appeal to more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:06 AM
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I think that is true, I might not have moved across the country but in the last 3 years I have lived in 3 different states, and for a total of 2 of those years I lived in a major city on the Northeast. It boggles my mind that people I graduated high school ended just staying in my home state, hell some never even left the town I grew up in. Saying i moved to the city I did always amazes people, really I just did it because it seemed like a cool thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:04 AM
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Yeah at 5’6, I pretty much workout for myself because whether I’m a thin 5’6, a muscular 5’6, or a fat 5’6 I’m still just “5’6” and no amount of style, healthy living, or hobbies is going to get rid of that. The way women react and interact with me hasn’t changed from when I went from thin to muscular. Don’t get me wrong, I still live and do things to the fullest, but if you told me there was a way to truly change my height to become 6 ft, and it was realistic but could shorten my life, or perha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 01:00 AM
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I agree. I honestly recommend men come to me once they’ve achieved their “preferred” body type considering if they’re in the process of losing weight all of the money spent will be wasted. And yeah a fat dude is not only difficult to shop for, but clothes cannot help him look better. The only thing to do is physically work on yourself and then worry about your style. Too many people think that it can be the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 08:58 PM
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Yes, 100%. One of my side gigs is assisting men with their style, and one thing I make sure to tell them is that it won’t necessarily make them look like David Beckham, but it can help them maximize their potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 05:54 PM
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What is this? Of course he has the right, he’s not even legally bound to be there by marriage. He can leave whenever he wants, if people want to view whatever way they want that’s up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 07:05 PM
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Pretty much in my experience. I am average looking, and I can easily find relationships, but I can never get casual sex. However if I look at guys who can get casual sex easily, they are everything I am not in terms of looks. My buddy also struggled awfully, he acted like an alpha but is objectively unattractive. Led me to believe it has nothing to do with personality, it’s all determined how hot you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 01:46 AM
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Lol you make it seem like men have the option to just bang Becky. Sounds like you’re talking about a Chad-Lite or a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 01:42 AM
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Yes, but the fact is that the guy has to have something that already interests the woman for her to try to poach the guy. Having a gf isn’t going to make a man who is undesirable to a woman suddenly want him because only one woman in the world does. Which is why I never could understand why people say having a gf means a guy is attractive, that doesn’t mean anything, it means that a person finds you attractive enough to date in some way, not that you are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:52 PM
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Amazing, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a post that explains that just because someone has “this” or “that” means that you’ll be better overall and can be forgiven for other things. It’s the package and specifically what that person is looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:46 PM
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Men in relationships pass through predilection. Women automatically assume that if other women like a guy, there’s a reason for it Lol, well as someone who has been in quite a few relationships, I can tell you from experience that I never have any other women trying to get in my pants while I’m in a relationship. This only is the case if you’re also objectively attractive, plenty of average looking guys can get a gf, but they ain’t cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:20 PM
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I guess I’m part of the 10%, for me my relationships are just a consolation prize. I would much prefer to just have casual sex all the time, but when I am single (or in a relationship) I can never get it. However finding a relationship is easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 08:15 PM
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Well I can tell you that my serial monogamy and absolutely no casual sex has left me extremely depressed and feeling an intense inadequacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 06:15 PM
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I think most men can find a relationship, but casual sex is a luxury that most men can’t attain. I’ve always been able to find relationships easily, but it’s impossible for me to get casual sex. Everyone says “oh but I see ugly guys with hot gfs all the time” yeah, gfs, any guy can get a gf. But I doubt she was one of his casual sex partners, I’m certain he didn’t get laid on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 06:13 PM
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Yeah but what about casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 08:37 PM
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I mean we weren’t struggling, but my parents still had debt and my mom had to work. That’s life unfortunately. Also I grew up in NJ, which is notorious for being an absolutely expensive place to live, so I believe that could have something to do with it. That being said my parents told me and my sister how broke they were sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 04:01 PM
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I really do not think most women really have the luxury of becoming a SAHM in the currently economy, especially in the US depending where you live. Fact is that unless the man is making well over a quarter of a million dollars, it would be impossible to raise a family on just one income alone in the long run. My father made $150,000 a year and we still weren’t living the high life, that’s really not a lot of money. There’s too many questions on here whether a woman should become a SAHM, no one r…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:46 PM
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Did you also know water is wet?!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 12:50 PM
2

My current gf had 0 partners before me. I at first felt worried that when we had sex it wouldn’t go well for her because I’m pretty well endowed. But it went fine and still goes well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 09:20 PM
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Because that’s usually what the guy wants, men who find themselves in the friendzone want to get into a relationship to have sex. Don’t get me wrong, intimacy and stuff comes later, but really it all comes down to the sex more. What is a relationship other than a friendship that involves sex? I don’t imagine any guy (unless he is Asexual) is gonna be down to be in a relationship with a woman who doesn’t want to fuck him. Also you forget that men find intimacy through sex, and only after having s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:31 PM
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Actually both suck because they involve the party not getting what they want. You say “but the guy gets a friend!” except he didn’t actually want a friend, he wanted sex, and maybe a friendship that could come with the sex, but not its own. Two people cannot have any sort of relationship if they aren’t on the same page, and if a guy doesn’t want a friendship, then he obviously won’t like being in the friendship and have his sperg our like we see on CreppyPMs or Niceguys. The same argument can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:11 PM
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I think this is true. It’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to every person, but the thing is to maximize your attractiveness to your surroundings. For example if you want to get the most attractive and most women in an area that values masculinity, then you’ll need to be masculine to attract the most women (which is most places in the west).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 09:01 PM
5

That’s actually a fantastic analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/19 01:53 AM
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None, the men who complain about the sluts and thots are usually the ones who aren’t getting casual sex from them. I got no problem with shallow people, I’m just sad I’m not good enough to be wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:45 PM
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I agree, I am also a guy so of course we do. But even TRP agrees that it’s casual sex > relationships in their 20s, otherwise they wouldn’t be having it nearly as much or have created an entire community around getting it. If you want a relationship, just follow the blue pill
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:42 PM
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I don’t think men would necessarily date or commit to them, but rather would want to have casual sex with them and never speak to them again. For men this is the ideal scenario. I doubt men would want to go full LTR though, which is what women want. Yeah there are outliers, but most men prefer casual sex way over a relationship in their 20s. And again this is all what both sexes prefer and can obtain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 06:25 PM
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I disagree, if you’re at least average looking, then there really is no reason you can’t find commitment provided you show you’re a good partner, are compatible, and don’t act like an incel all the time. I’m a perfect example, I am aware of my averageness, but I’ve never had a problem finding commitment or relationships. I however have had an insanely difficult time getting casual sex, in fact I’ve never been able to get it once. Same thing with my friend, he is below average, but tried to get c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:40 PM
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I’m not disagreeing with that at all, that was my point. The femcels complain that they can’t get a relationship, not sex. Women can get sex faster 100% on all scales, they’ll just find getting commitment much more difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 05:07 PM
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It can depend on how attractive she is. An attractive woman will find she has many offers for a relationship and commitment, possibly even more than for ONS and hookups because she’s seen as good for bragging rights. An average looking woman will find her ONS offer much higher than her relationship offers, after all the femcels are a thing, they’re just average looking women who can’t get commitment. For a below average, average, or only slightly above average guy to have sex, the best strategy …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 04:39 PM
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Nah, all things considered by sex life is fucking abysmal, but I still like being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:36 PM
1

Are we talking romance like in an LTR, or casual sex? If we’re talking an LTR then women will by default have a tougher time and if we’re talking casual sex, men will just have it tougher. Fact is when we talk either side, they have more options in one than the other, and it’s almost always the exact opposite of what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 02:31 PM
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You make it sound like they don’t already. There are plenty of single moms who remarry and the guy will adopt the child they had. Or couples adopt, the heterosexual couples, not just homo ones, so the guy is making the choice to raise someone else’s child.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:25 PM
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In my original answer I didn’t bring the child part in, I only thought of the benefits from personal level, but this makes a lot of sense. Fact is you’re right, marriage was created through the natural order of things, you can probably wipe our minds clean, all of history is gone and we have. I knowledge of what cane before and marriage will still be created at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 10:54 PM
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To be fair I agree, if he’s getting strung along and not getting anything it’s kind of his fault. Same thing with the girl in this situation. Sucks to suck, deal with the situations you put yourself into.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:57 PM
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This is really the truth. Dude’s a high SMV man, he can pretty much say and do whatever he wants. I once hung around a lot with the swim team at my college because one of my friends was on the team. There was a guy just like this, maybe not blatant with his “I like your tits thing” but he was a very entitled Chad when it came to women, and they just didn’t care. Seriously he was 6’3, swimmer’s body, square jaw (you get it), he was pretty much known for sleeping around a lot, and my school wasn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 05:56 PM
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Well to be fair you did say you’re only into a small minority of men. The men you described being clean and old approaching are probably about 30-40% of the male population. Plenty of average looking guys do that already, go to any bar in a major city.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:40 PM
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I imagine that’s more men than you like the lead us to believe. I’m sure you forgot to include being tall and having a square jaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:32 PM
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Yeah but to be fair he says he’s attractive, so he should be just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:26 PM
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Lol what kind of guys are you into that it makes them such a small number?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:24 PM
2

Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:23 PM
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Yeah if he’s attractive he’ll be fine. If he’s average or below it it’s not gonna do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:20 PM
2

Well it surely makes things easier when it comes to estate when you pass, and things like medical and insurance, but I really couldn’t find a real reason why it helps society as a whole. It’s really a personal benefit person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 09:13 PM
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I’m not objectively attractive, so that’s the problem. I want to be. I’d rather pick who I want to fuck. I actually have had wonderful girlfriends my entire life, I just don’t want them anymore. No one burned me, no one abused me or hurt me, or cheated on me. But I just don’t find value in them. I’ve tried, really they’re only there because I want to have sex regularly. I’m aware I can’t change it, but as I had said before it hasn’t hindered my life in other aspects (except the only one that mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 03:17 PM
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We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree my dude. It seems to me like you are still struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 07:31 AM
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I respect your experience and I’m sorry you’ve had such a troubled time. But I think that just because you had such a bad time with it doesn’t mean that everyone will have the same experience. You’re assuming everyone is exactly like you, and that’s just not the case. Still though I doubt there is anything I could say to change your mind or view it in a different light, but I do not believe your objectively know better. You subjectively know better for yourself and maybe your wife who you have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 06:55 AM
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What makes you think you would know more about mental health than a person who spends anywhere from about 6 - 10 years studying it or more effective objectively? I get that your wife didn’t have a good experience with therapy and obviously neither did you, but many people improve with therapy of all kinds. I have friends whose life improved after going to therapy, people who also were anorexic, and people with extreme anxiety, PTSD and other shit they either take meds for or have coping strategi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 06:34 AM
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Jeez calm down dude. You alright? I have a feeling you hate mental health professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 06:12 AM
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I’d honestly be curious as to why they feel that way. Is it that they don’t have many people interested in them or tell them they are interested? Because if that’s the case they aren’t attractive. But if it’s the exact opposite of that, having many people tell them they are attractive and objectively look like what is considered attractive in the area they live in, then I’d recommend getting help or something. I do think BDD is real, and there is therapy designed to fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 05:48 AM
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Just like anything to do with dating, if you are attractive then yes it does. If you’re not, then it doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 09:51 PM
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Because it’s something I value more than anything. I’ve had relationships and it just doesn’t fulfill me because a relationship doesn’t mean that I am attractive, only attractive to a few women, but casual sex would mean that I am considered objectively attractive to many women and I can pick and choose who I want to fuck. It’s ego, it’s selfish and I am aware, but I want to just be considered hot. Fact is I don’t even like relationships, but I like sex, and I have found that the only way to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:29 PM
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I’m already in therapy and on medication, however it doesn’t make me feel better about it. All they want me to do is just accept it, but it doesn’t make the fact I’m not a Chad go away. Sucks, but it doesn’t hinder any other aspect of my life. I just care about it a lot, but it hasn’t stopped me from living my life in other ways. I have my hobbies, gf, friends, family, career, other stuff that has nothing to do with it and I have accomplished most things on my list at the age of 26. I didn’t wal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 06:11 PM
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Technically all of my partners have heavily desired me while we are together, my current gf pretty much initiates sex immediately even after two years of being together. I just want to be desired heavily by lots of women instead of the few who do want me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:26 PM
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I mean it’s pretty impossible to change, unless you know a way I can grow 6-8 inches at 26. There are some things you just can’t change and that’s kind of the reality of things. What do you think I should do? Go to Bolivia and be with women I’m not attracted to? Sounds like a crappy solution to me. Sounds more like I ended up competing just to not win.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:06 PM
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I’ll bitch as much as I want to. Again I don’t really see how it’s hurting anyone, and it’s not like I complain about it on anywhere but my throwaways so it ain’t that bad. And also bolovians just aren’t that attractive, they still hold a lot of Mayan features which I don’t find attractive especially coming from the US. I understand that my system isn’t perfect, but it’s gotten me this far. My dream is to be a 6’2 Chad in America or Europe. I’m not gonna get it, so why should I just accept essen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:32 PM
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There’s not really much about me physically that most people want. Most women don’t want a 5’6 guy with an average face. And I don’t want to be wanted for my money, I want to be wanted for my looks. I’m aware it’s not gonna happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:23 PM
1

Well I want to get plastic surgery and get jaw implants, cheekbone implants, chin implants, and some fillers done, right now I’m more or less saving up to make sure I can afford it and see a doctor that will perform the surgery well. My gf isn’t a fan, but oh well. It’s gonna be pretty hard to be considered tall anywhere in the world. I have traveled quite a bit in my life and regardless I’m either slightly average or just short no matter where I go. I’m like 5’6, so it’s pretty difficult to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:20 PM
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I suppose it is, still my life really has no purpose to me if I’m not attractive and can get lots of women. Doesn’t matter what I do, it’s all just meaningless if I can’t be a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:55 PM
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To me that all sounds fantastic (I’m who the thread is about). You have to realize that everyone is different, and while it might not have worked out so great for him, it could or couldn’t work out great for me. Fact is I’d give anything to be “that handsome boy” not just something that fades into the background. Fact is that he could get away from all the need of external validation and be successful in the ways I value, and I can’t because I’m not attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:48 PM
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It’s like asking Kylie Jenner to teach you how to become a self-made Billionare when you only make 30,000 a year or Jeremey Meeks to tell you how to become a model.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 05:35 AM
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Then I guess I’m going to go down that dark path. It’s my life, and I will live it the way I want to live it. Not like it interferes with anything outside of it. I have my career at my dream job, I have my gf who is pretty much in love with me, good friends I’ve had for over 15 years, supportive family, a relatively successful hobby turned side gig, and other hobbies I just do for fun. I leave a fine life, just feel like I’m a failure because I didn’t get what I really wanted. Fact is I will alw…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 04:00 AM
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Dude, you just talked about being attractive and having women behave that way. I can tell you that shit never happened to me in college. What was the point of this post? How the hell would you know what it’s like for an average or below average looking guy? You’re not even one yourself. Edit: You’re like Kylie Jenner telling a person who only makes 30,000 how to become a billionaire by using her own experience, or how to become a model by Jeremy Meeks to an average looking guy. You already start…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:51 AM
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Why can’t a person have both what I want and what you want? I’m going to end up doing that anyway, but I will always feel like I failed at something I wanted. No amount of love from my girlfriend, or my children, or my career, or my friends, or my hobbies can ever make up for the fact I failed at something I wanted. I would give up anything and everything in my life to be hot and desired by many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:37 AM
1

So if I can’t have sex and be attractive to the women I want, what’s the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:31 AM
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That’s your opinion, but you developed your opinion and you chose to not want it. I never even got asked the question. I don’t even want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 03:25 AM
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They do if they find the guy hot
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 02:59 AM
1

Great, you are you and I am me. “Oh being rich and secure financially isn’t all that great, don’t worry about your debt”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:43 AM
1

So you’re answer is that it’s better to have not experienced it than to experience it at all? I want the validation from casual sex, not the casual sex itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:40 AM
1

Maybe it is envy, and I do want the casual, but I want the validation from it. And we actually have a great time together, I think she’s a wonderful person who tells me how much she loves me every day for the last two years. I would just trade her to be a hot 6 ft Chad and have regular casual sex. That’s me though, my wants and desires are not everyone’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:27 AM
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Well if I was hotter and tall I’d be having sex with any woman I desired. The casual sex comes from being hot, I guess I just want to be hot and desired by many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:10 AM
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I disagree. That’s all that I’ve had, and I would much rather be having casual sex. I do not value my relationships, just stuck with them if I want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:08 AM
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What about that implies I deserve casual sex? Of course I don’t deserve it, no one deserves it. I’m aware that I’m not having it because I’m not hot enough. I don’t blame women or anyone for not wanting casual sex, i blame myself for not being hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:07 AM
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That’s dumb. There are many romantic men sure, but I am not one of them who values relationships more. I’m also not RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 01:03 AM
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No. Friendships have never turned sexual. I find that if they aren’t interested from the getgo, they will not become interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:53 AM
1

The latter. They wanted to have sex with me, but wanted commitment more and wouldn’t do it usually unless I agreed to that first or if I showed my interest in that specifically. But they also made me aware they wanted to be my gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:33 AM
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Funny, because my exes have been both extroverted and introverted and acted quite the same way when they showed their interest. In fact that’s the only way I knew they were interested. They made sure I knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:24 AM
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No I did not, because they weren’t giving me any indication they’ wanted to fuck. If you really have to figure out if she’s interested, then she ain’t interested. I know this because the women who have been interested (few mind you) have made it explicitly clear they wanted me. Women make it known they want you, if they aren’t trying to bring you home, they don’t want you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:13 AM
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Not really. I’m short and I have an average face, and most women just aren’t attracted to me sexually. I get treated fine I guess irl, but to be honest my presence isn’t even noticed. I don’t get stares or IOIs from women, I sure as hell don’t get casual sex, I’m just an extra. I’ve had plenty of gfs, because any guy can get into relationships, but I’ve never had any casual sex. And to be honest, I would trade all of my exes and even current gf if you could tell me I could get regular casual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:09 AM
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Yeah, if you’re attractive. If you’re unattractive or average looking, you get the same results as any tactic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:06 AM
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Pretty much all of the that. I was on tinder about a year and a half, had over a thousand matches when it was all said and done. I tried all kinds of strategies, the bold “sit on my face” or something dumb that works for plenty of (hot) guys on r/tinder, going on dates, trying to be funny with snappy pickup lines, all of that. I got zero success from it. I didn’t just pick one strategy and only did that, I used all kinds and it didn’t work. I was either ignored or just plain rejected when it cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:05 AM
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Those party people are only going to want to fuck the people they’re attracted to, the other ones will just be in the friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 12:03 AM
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I feel like the coke thing only works to have people ask for drugs, not for sex. And besides who wants to be fucked for their drugs? They obviously won’t be attracted to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:53 PM
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Do you really think that is why? Because I can assure you I asked women and they were not biting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:50 PM
1

Yup. Plenty of them, but I wasn’t getting sex from them so what’s even the point? It’s the same as getting zero matches to me. It boggles my mind how many men talk about not getting matches, I’m so damn average it hurts and I got them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:49 PM
2

Yeah but the meet slutty women thing doesn’t work either. They are slutty, but if they don’t find you hot then they won’t want to fuck you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:48 PM
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How was that guy wrong though? Usually if you’re not getting casual sex then it’s because you’re not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:45 PM
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I did pretty much all of that, and I got relationships. I never found any casual sex, but I can tell you that I would trade all of that for casual sex though. You say to focus on me well to be frank I did, and still do, and I’m not getting the results I wanted or wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:41 PM
1

I’ve never dated multiple women at a time, because more than one woman is never attracted to me at one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:38 PM
1

Did that, no casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:37 PM
1

I’ve made small talk at those places, I can talk to most of anyone. Hell I used to throw parties at the house I was living at in a major city on the north east coast. No casual sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:35 PM
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Because it would imply I am attractive and desired by many women, and it would validate me in the way I desire to be validated in. Anyone can get a relationship, few men can get regular casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:12 PM
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No it’s about having casual sex, not sex from a relationship. I’d honestly trade all my exes and my current gf to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 11:10 PM
3

This honestly sounds like trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 10:05 PM
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I had a friend I used to live with, he did this pretty much every weekend and some weekdays for a year and a half. He was probably the most charismatic, and confident person I’ve ever known. He was a trained actor, so he pretty could fake it til he made it and it would be believable. He was not very good looking though, even kind of below average. He was successful once with a girl 70 pounds heavier than him. This doesn’t work as well as you think if you’re not already attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:55 PM
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Plain isn’t attractive, it’s just plain. As a plain looking guy I can say from experience. Ive had relationships but 0 casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:45 PM
2

We are still debating this?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:35 PM
1

You partner up with a person where the relationship feels easy. Most men more or less settle because they have to as they do not have the options or ability to sort of date around. For most average men, you can date around all you want, but you risk finding a partner later and not settling. I will say it’s dumb luck I found my partner on a dating app. I’ve been with my current gf for two years, and it just feels very easy to be with her. We don’t fight ever, we agree on everything more or less, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 05:21 PM
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I don’t know, I guess because so few women have been attracted to me that I really don’t even rate people’s looks. If I’m not attracted to her, then I just won’t fuck her. If I am, then I call it a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 02:00 PM
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