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She isn't behaving the way you describe. make an indirect mention to my gender (saying "my boyfriend" or my experience with guys I've dated in the past) The men who post in TRP speak of their own experiences all the time, with contextual clues that identify their gender. Are you saying that women should not do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:57 PM
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I've asked this of others here: why the instant assumption that they do not add anything useful to the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 09:16 PM
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Is a woman's opinion interfering by virtue of it being a woman holding that opinion? I am trying to understand why women who actually agree with TRP -like the OP of this post - are so unwelcome there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 06:18 PM
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Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 04:56 PM
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The sidebar at TRP says that: The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. The posters there are obviously predominantly men, but nowhere is it stated that women are forbidden. This OP has said that she agrees with a number of their points, and from what little she mentions above, it seems she actually wishes to discuss a culture that is increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. Are women unable to contribute to that discussio…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 04:11 PM
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Why did she go into a male space and then complain that they downvoted her. My assumption comes from this statement of yours. In OP's post here, she clearly believes that it is references to her gender, and not the content of her posts, that got her downvoted. You clearly disagree with that, going so far as to accuse her of attention whoring. That suggests you believe that the actual contents of her posts did not contribute to the discussion. Please feel free to correct my assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 03:56 PM
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From her accounting, she wanted to participate in the discussion. According to TRP's sub description... The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. ... it is a place for discussion. Nothing in the sub's description or posting rules says that it is a male only space. I do not assume that she has nothing to contribute to the conversation. Why do you assume that she does not have anything to contribute?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 03:46 PM
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Where do you get that she was 'looking for male attention'?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 03:23 PM
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and attention whore Is the mere fact of being a woman attention whoring? OP says her references to her own gender were indirect and contextually relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 02:23 PM
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I think that this is a matter of different levels for different people; my only requirement is that, beyond diseases, a partner must themselves be willing to reveal whatever level of truth they demand to know. [In a long term relationship, I hope that both partners trust each other enough that no secrets remain.]
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/13 01:05 AM
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If this is her personal choice as well, and you are truly both building this relationship out of love and respect, there is nothing at all misogynistic about it. Where most blue pill concerns come from are when someone determines that this sort of relationship is what all women really want, deep down, and that any woman who says otherwise is mistaken or crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/13 01:31 PM
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Thank you for taking the time to give such an extended response. I find this very interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/13 01:48 AM
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I appreciate the response. Perhaps my choice of the word 'misguided' was poor, but what I'm trying to get to is this: Your initial hypothesis was based on the notion that there may be a misunderstanding regarding the accruing of respect, and that there is a divide down gender lines. If that were the case, then the men at TBP should have the same understanding as the men at TRP. So, in view of your hypothesis, do the men at TBP share the same understanding of respect and how to earn it as the men…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/13 12:11 AM
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Just so I'm clear, under your hypothesis, any male who views TRP as being misogynistic is doing so out of a misguided attempt to protect women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/13 10:37 PM
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This has been the assumed male attitude to respect for millennia - men are the performing sex, going back to our evolutionary origins. This is quite an assumption. In your hypothesis, how do you account for the male members of TBP who consider much of TRP's content to be misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/13 07:31 PM
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subscribed to RPW and have never seen this Just FYI, this is on the TRP sidebar, which is probably why it gets associated with 'red pill' mind set.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/13 02:05 PM
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Well, from that sticked post you linked me to the other day, Pay special attention to the Endorsed Contributors That seems to be the exact idea behind endorsed contributors..
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/13 09:13 PM
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Even if one were to agree with your statement regarding societal acceptance (which I don't), what you have described is only one possible scenario in which a woman might wind up as a single parent. Why do you assume this as a default, rather than assuming that she made the decision with the child's best interests in mind, or that it wasn’t by her choice at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 06:53 PM
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They might not call him beta, but at least one endorsed contributor would have advised against dating you on the basis of your single motherhood. That same endorsed contributor seems to feel that a woman who is no longer with the father of her chldren has major faults; he says nothing about single fathers. Your boyfriend may argue that you are an exception, but that would likely be met with Not All Women Are Like That
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 01:48 PM
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How far can one stray from TRP's core beliefs and still be red pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 05:23 AM
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Your definition of alpha does not match TRP's. I linked this below for alphabet mod, but I'll repeat it here. From the TRP Glossary: Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves. What's missing from that, compared to your definition, is: selfless, considerate, protective, and compassionate. It would be very …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 04:05 AM
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Reading that post, I interpret it very differently than you do. When redpillschool uses the terms 'good' and 'bad', I don't think he means on a morality basis (after all, he is the author of the 'Sexual Strategy is Amoral' link on the sidebar!). I interpreted that to mean 'good' = 'effective mating strategy' and 'bad' = 'ineffective mating strategy'. Don't get me wrong, I like your interpretation better. I just don't think it's what he meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 03:33 AM
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Yours is an excellent definiton of alpha. If this were the definition of alpha embraced by all of TRP, TBP would have very little to complain about. From the TRP Glossary: Alpha – Leader. Somebody who displays high value, or traits that are valued by women. Alpha can refer to a man who exhibits alpha behaviors (more alpha tendancies than beta), but usually used to describe individual behaviors themselves. What's missing from that, compared to your definition, is these wonderful words right here:…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/13 03:10 AM
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In that case, allow me to present a few sources that identify controlling behavior, making all decisions on a partner's behalf, and choosing who they may or may not associate with, and adoption of very rigid gender roles as warning signs of abusive behavior. I've limited this to sources that use gender neutral language (which eliminates quite a few sources, but is probably less at risk for bias). From the CDC, risk factors. Hidden hurt, a UK source. A non-profit serving Canada and the US Now, ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 06:13 AM
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I will agree with this!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 03:09 AM
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I respectfully submit that we don't want it to be frighteningly so; some significant behaviors that have been described are on nearly every check list of warning signs of an abusive relationship. I considered linking a few such sources and lists, but seeing as a) I'm afraid those who disagree are going to dismiss the first two dozen sources as some sort of feminist propaganda, and b) given the latest controversy regarding sources I'm not quite sure what would be acceptable, I've just bookmarked …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/13 03:08 AM
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Ok, thanks! 'Hangar' and 'city' didn't make sense, but then, I live on one of the coasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 09:50 PM
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This is completely off-topic, so please feel free to ignore me, but I have to ask.... hangar ... do you mean for aircraft? Or is this a regional term for something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 09:37 PM
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There is a regular implication over at TRP - if not outright assertion - that women don't belong in (or flat out are incapable of) STEM careers. Many of us have STEM careers, or are pursuing them. We 'blue pillers' like our satire with a side of irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 08:30 PM
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And both sides are convinced they are the ones on the outside of the two way mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/13 11:39 AM
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President Obama isn't always right. However, there are checks and balances in place, most notably that he has to be re-elected every four years. I'm not saying that any one decision-making model is going to be right for every scenario. I am going to say 'the captain is always right no matter what' is not the best course for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 08:15 PM
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And again, as I said at the beginning, if this works for both of you, then congratulations. As I have also said repeatedly since then, this arrangement will not be successful for everyone ( or even the majority. )
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:47 PM
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I congratulate you, then, on your good fortune. Edited to add: I don't want to sound like luck is the only contributing factor. There's no doubt you and your husband have had to put a considerable amount of work towards those successful 30 years, and you should be congratulated for that as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:43 PM
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Then we have reached our ultimate point of disagreement. What you have described is ruling with an iron fist - even if you cover the iron in velvet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:38 PM
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And if you reach a question that you fundamentally disagree on? Let's say the decision is whether or not to move to a distant state, or whether or not to take in an ailing relatived, or whether or not to disown a child.... if your opinions differ, would your judgment override hers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:30 PM
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People change over the course of time. I will state again, if you have found someone with whom this dynamic works, awesome! Good for you! Let me try to illustrate one (unfortunately not uncommon) unhealthy scenario. I don't think many people would marry an alcoholic. However, we know that people become alcoholics, or gambling addicts, or adopt other unhealthy behaviors for themselves that were not there when the initial commitments were made. An addict will make decisions that are not in the bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:26 PM
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spock didnt run around nagging captain kirk after advising him. he gave his advice and let it go. I loves me some Star Trek references. On more than one occasion, Spock had Kirk relieved of duty because he was, due to the circumstances of the time, unfit for command. (The TOS episode where they all go senile is one such occasion, if you're gonna demand a source, lol.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:14 PM
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A good captain I say again, if this works for you, great. The whole basis of my argument is that not every man is a good captain. A woman may marry a man who she believes is a good captain, and then things change. Your premise is that the captain will always be right; my position is that won't always be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:12 PM
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I like to think that no one would knowingly marry a man like that with the intent to surrender to him, but it's impossible to cover every hypothetical, and issues will arise over time - people and circumstances change over time, especially once children are involved or major family tragedies occur. Also, women do become involved with men they mistakenly believe to be competent. (And that's not exclusive to that gender arrangement, but we're talking about the man-is-the-captain, woman-is-the-firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 07:03 PM
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Are you saying that a woman refusing to accept unhealthy and potentially damaging decisions is emasculating? For context, I'm not talking about every day things like what to have for dinner or which movie to see. I'm talking about life altering decisions like how to invest life savings or which options of medical treatment to pursue.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 06:27 PM
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And what if your captain is steering the ship aground?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 06:20 PM
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My decisions are final That's a quote from the OP, elsewhere in this thread. That's an awful lot of power, when one person's decisions will always be final. That is, by definition, dictatorship. For your own case, again, if that works for you, that's great. I'm not going to tell you to change, either. But I will ask this: What would you do if he made a decision that wasn't good? You've said he always makes good decisions; that makes him a truly rare and unique individual. But what would you do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 06:17 PM
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How long do you consider that feminism has been entrenched? For my own reference, is there a specific time point before which the narrative was written free of feminist influence?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 05:09 PM
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For now, we will have to agree to disagree about the proportion of women who want a lifestyle beyond the traditional. I will agree that I am not most people, but I will argue that 'most people' are in fact not most people - people are more complex than that, and thanks to the path my life has taken, I have had the opportunity to get to know an awful lot of people. Hyperintellectuals are not the only women who want more than 'to marry a guy and squash out babies.' People aren't that simple. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 05:05 PM
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This could be a very interesting discussion for another day. I would truly enjoy reading some 'non-feminist' material on what the world was like before feminism. If at some point later you wanted to suggest some authors or sources, I'd appreciate it. (I'm asking for your suggestions because I don't know who you'd consider 'non-feminist'.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 04:42 PM
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It's wonderful that this works for you and your husband. The disconnect for many of us comes in thinking that all, or even most, people would be happy this way. (This isn't to say I don't like aprons. My favorite apron says "I'm one lab accident away from being a super villain." It's one of my all-time favorite gifts.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 04:35 PM
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youre supposed to turn yourself over to the keeping of a GOOD man, not just any man That's the tough part, isn't it? So that begs the obvious question: how can you tell the difference between a benevolent dominant and a malignant dominant before turning over all the power to him? Of course not all men are monsters - the vast majority aren't - but it has been a historical axiom that power corrupts. Unchecked power is an intoxicating thing to many people, and once high on it, their partner's inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 04:26 PM
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And with that, we are back to where we started. You asked why blue pillers are critical of your choices. For my own part, I would not be critical of your personal relationship, but would never recommend it to women. For most women, even if a successful, fully submissive relationship is what they want, they will not find such a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:52 PM
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So I respectfully submit that since fewer than 10% of the men available can actually provide women with the proper benevolent dominant that you say they inherently want, 90% of the women will be disappointed in their search. Therefore, 90% of the women ought to be adopting a different strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:45 PM
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I'm not sure I understand this, and I don't want to misinterpret it. From an RPW perspective, any man can become an alpha? Are you saying that any man can become a benevolent dominant, if only the woman treats him right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:40 PM
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By your statements, the issues shouldn't matter. If all women truly want to be submissive, my conclusion should be that I found a beta, not an alpha, and that I should be happy in such a relationship with a real alpha (as unlikely as that might be for me to find). That's not my conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:36 PM
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So then would you recommend that women pursue a fully submissive life style, if they would be left submitting to a beta?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:27 PM
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I have been a woman in a long term, 'red pill' relationship. I dated him for four years; we lived together for three, and the last two were an exercise in utter misery. I grew up in that sort of environment and thought it was what I was 'supposed to do'. Taking back my own independence was the best thing I've ever done. For my own self, I would never choose that life again. I suggest to you that few people in their early 20's know exactly what they want. That isn't exclusive to women. If you tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:24 PM
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Ok. Let's proceed with those two notions: first, that less than 10% of men are alpha, and that second, alpha men are benevolently dominant, but beta men are not. So for 100% of alpha men, your model of relationships would be healthy..... but for a woman who was looking for such a relationship, fewer than 10% of the men out there would be able to provide it. Accordingly, would you recommend that relationship strategy to all women? By our above suppositions, it is nowhere near possible for all wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:17 PM
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I think you are very, very wrong about this. Neither of us is going to be able to source data about womens' secret hopes and dreams, but I suggest to you that it is nowhere near that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:10 PM
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While I would like to address the trapped issue a little further, there's something else I'd rather pursue first. Let's assume for a moment that all alpha men are actually capable of being benevolently dominant. I don't agree with that statement, but for the sake of this conversation, I will make that supposition. What percentage of men are alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 03:07 PM
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If you and she are truly happy, then congratulations. You have found something wonderful. The 'blue pill' perspective isn't monolithic, so I can't speak for others. My own dismay with promoting such relationships is that they are often very unhealthy. When one party has all the decision making power, there is no guarantee that they will always make decisions that are in the best interests of both people - benevolent tyranny is a nice idea but power is too corrupting. A truly benevolent tyrant is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/13 02:48 PM
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I would like to second this. Self improvement ideas are good, and women don't belong on a pedestal. We don't belong in the gutter either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/13 03:43 PM
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You have established that women report depression more often. Your evidence doesn't support the original redpill author's claims, or address soulcakeduck's concerns. As you yourself quoted soulcakeduck as saying: Instead, women "overstating" is treated as a fact and even hyperlinked to other discussions that don't even mention this hypothesis. Where did it come from? OVERstating. You may not be saying that women are overstating depression, but the post that soulcakeduck is questioning does exact…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 11:58 PM
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I only get a login-screen for your first link, not the name or title - so your suggested 'lack of rigor' is unnecessary. I assumed, apparently incorrectly, that it was much the same as your NIH linked study, which again, doesn't say that women overstate depression, but that both men and underreport, with men underreporting more. If your first linked study offers actual empirical evidence that women really do overstate their depression symptoms, please give me the name and author. Also, I was not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 11:08 PM
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Thanks for the subsequent links, they are very much appreciated! I still can't access the whole article, all I could read was the abstract. You have established that women report depression symptoms more frequently. However, you still haven't presented anything that suggests women are intentionally OVERreporting in order to receive antidepressant medications to then abuse them. As to why women are actually prescribed more antidepressants than men, I have no answer for you. There are a large numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 10:23 PM
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Unfortunately, I can't access the study you've linked. Do you have another way to make it available?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 09:58 PM
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The CDC's interprestation of the graph does not match the TRP poster's interpretation. "Women are more likely to categorize their problems as severe" vs. Figure 3's "Percentage of persons age 12 and over who take antidepressant medication by sex and severity of depressive symptoms." The CDC data does say that women are taking more antidepressants, yes. That is clear. It does not support the conclusion that they are falsely over reporting symptoms in order to abuse those same medications.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/13 06:27 PM
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