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| 9 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?I think that a discussion on human nature without the possibility of raising children in a totally gender-neutral control group is awfully difficult. I work in early infant development, and babies (and then children and then adults) are treated incredibly differently at very, very young ages based on what is in their pants. Still, for me, the issue comes down to within-group differences vs. between-group differences. If within-group differences are large, between-group differences become less me… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 04:03 PM |
| 3 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?I responded to YetAnotherCommenter above on this topic! | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 03:51 PM |
| 6 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?I find it interesting that this point (the origin of traditional gender roles) is such a sticking point here. It's something I have never thought about before. I wasn't avoiding the answer because I thought you wouldn't agree with it; it's something I just don't think about it. I tend to define "patriarchy" as a social system that primarily disadvantages women, origin be damned. I do tend to agree with your latter "origin of traditional gender roles" story, though. The problem standing in the wa… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 03:51 PM |
| 4 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?I'm not sure that I disagree with anything you've written here. I will say that I don't think that saying men's issues are because of the patriarchy is dismissing them, I think that it is identifying a different solution to the one that is usually presented in this subreddit (which tends to be anti-feminist). I've definitely used this talking point, but not merely in response to "here is an issue that men face". It's in response to "here is an issue that men face THEREFORE DESTROY FEMINISM". | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 03:41 PM |
| 11 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?I personally don't find that to be a particularly relevant question. It's not like the people who set up our traditional gender roles are here now ordering us around. We are responsible for the choices that we make to reinforce these norms, but we are not individually responsible for the existence of the norms. All we can do is do the best we can to not be jerks about them. (E.g. we can not make fun of dudes who cry at Pixar movies. We can avoid sexually harassing women when they play League of … | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 09:14 AM |
| 8 | "But that's a result of Patriarchy", how's that not victim blaming?Sigh. I know I shouldn't bite, but I'm going to anyways. It definitely WOULD be victim blaming to say, "The patriarchy causes men to suffer in custody proceedings-- THUS IT IS YOUR PLACE TO SUFFER AND MAY YOU BURN IN HELL. (Insert maniacal feminist laughter here.)" But that's not what I believe is happening. It's a response to disagreements about the proposed solution that is being presented. When we say, "This men's rights issue is the result of the patriarchy", we're not saying, "You deserve i… | /r/MensRights | 05/12/13 07:33 AM |
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