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Whatever works for you.
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:34 AM
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It’s a general example. It’s not supposed to be delivered robotically. Maybe you pause and let her respond after “you look nice”. You’re not supposed to rush or cram all the words you can into an opener. You’re supposed to relax and let things flow. Make sense?
/r/seduction09/09/25 10:09 AM
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I think you’re taking the example too literally
/r/seduction09/09/25 09:56 AM
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“Hey - you look nice. Mind if I join you for a minute before I meet my friend/get back to work/ (whatever is authentic) ?”
/r/seduction08/09/25 08:09 PM
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If you can’t pinpoint something you did or said, it could be for any number of reasons unrelated to you. Best to assume she wasn’t seriously interested and simply move on. I’ve had women literally sexting me the craziest stuff, only to avoid any attempt to meet me halfway in person. That tells me she only wanted the attention and validation of my energy & presence. Often times that stuff ties into her trauma, but the why doesn’t really matter - it all adds up to either toxic red flags or not int…
/r/seduction08/09/25 08:05 PM
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Appreciate that! That’s actually why I started engaging with this sub - because there’s a lot of uninformed perspectives pushed around and I hate to see guys who struggled like I did led astray. I’m not a therapist - though I work alongside therapists in certain cases. Professionally I categorize myself as a Personal Strategist and Spiritual Advisor - so similar to a life coach but without the fluff. I’m less focused on goals, instead oriented toward mission, purpose and identity work.
/r/seduction08/09/25 12:30 PM
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Definitely a confidence issue. I want to hear more about your background and experience. DM me if you want and we can talk about getting your confidence back - no strings attached
/r/seduction08/09/25 12:16 PM
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Well, there are certainly common patterns in how women tend to operate - yea? We can file that under “female nature”. But every person - man or woman - has their own unique set of values, morals, personalty, etc. It’s just way too common in my experience to see men and women project their negative experiences with the opposite sex on to the entire population. The woman who was emotionally abused by her boyfriend in high school and became a hardcore feminist to enact vengeance on men (under the g…
/r/seduction08/09/25 12:12 PM
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Why do you think you’re awkward? And why do you think your awkwardness has cost you friendships? Emotional intelligence I guess would help with that indirectly somewhat? But awkwardness is primarily about feeling uncomfortable in social situations. That’s a confidence issue - not an emotional intelligence issue.
/r/seduction08/09/25 05:26 AM
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Okay, I hear the pain underneath the cynicism - and it’s valid. You’re not wrong for feeling burned or betrayed. That kind of betrayal cuts deep. And if it happens enough times, it’s natural for it to start shaping how you see people. But here’s something important to understand: There’s a difference between ‘this keeps happening to me’ and ‘this is how women are.’ It’s tempting to collapse the two because generalizing gives us the illusion of control. It protects us from hoping again - but also…
/r/seduction08/09/25 03:54 AM
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I appreciate that. But this comes from some generalized unrealistic moral pedestalization of women as a monolith. Men cheat. Women cheat. There’s emotional reasons behind it. And that woman wasn’t wife material - at least for that particular man. Going back to my point about emotional leadership without excusing the bad behavior - this is a big reason why relationships fail. Because men do not understand how to lead the relationship. But also, you’re talking about a woman who wrangled a future d…
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:58 AM
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It’s not convoluted at all. You’re rationalizing it as convoluted to protect your cynical worldview; very common in my line of work and incredibly transparent - no offense. I can tell by your language that your definition of a high value woman is someone you put on a pedestal - a Goddess. You probably have a lot of resentment towards women, which is why you think men have no agency in attracting a high quality woman unless he’s very attractive. That belief keeps you safe from taking any responsi…
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:40 AM
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Because humans objectify other humans regardless of sex. Sounds like you’re caught in this trap as well - looking at women as sex objects and ego trophies. Just because a woman approaches a man doesn’t mean she’s high value, and just because a man is attractive doesn’t mean he’s high value. Obsessing over the opening stage of dating is missing the big picture and falling into an ego trap. Having an attractive face gets you more opportunities passively, but you still have to qualify women because…
/r/seduction08/09/25 02:12 AM
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You can even lightly flirt with them when you get more comfortable - just stay in the wheelhouse of playful banter. You can go as far as lightly sexual with a funny innuendo if the mood strikes you. The simplest and best advice to developing charm is to simply have fun and to be expressive enough that people can feel you’re having fun. That’s the energy you want to cultivate. Feel free to DM me if you need anything else.
/r/seduction05/09/25 11:31 AM
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Well start there then. You don’t have to hit on them - just consciously practice being fun and playful around them. Focus on giving them positive, fun energy and making them smile & feel good. That’s the easiest and most fundamental way I know of to overcome shyness around girls.
/r/seduction05/09/25 10:46 AM
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Have you ever had any friends that are girls? Often times the answer for shyness around women is “exposure therapy”. You take the pressure to attract girls off of yourself by simply offering a fun and stable presence in their lives. Not only will you become more comfortable around girls, but you will learn to see and understand them better - which is very attractive to girls who are interested in you.
/r/seduction04/09/25 02:10 PM
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That’s precisely the core thesis around the content I’m writing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/25 08:59 AM
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Dude, such a great connection/callback! 👏The movie is called Big for anyone wondering.
/r/seduction02/09/25 07:49 PM
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Step 1) Use AI to come up with a buzzword for “just being a normal person” Step 2) Use AI to write 3 fictional scenarios about taking a woman home Step 3) Expose yourself by acting like a creep in the comments Step 4) Profit?
/r/seduction01/09/25 04:39 PM
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Now I know you’re full of it…what a creep dude 😂
/r/seduction01/09/25 04:34 PM
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I’d need to see the conversations in question to tell you with certainty what’s going wrong. Part of the problem is that the thing content creators a really selling is a false sense of control. You can’t make a girl attracted to you via online or irl. Another commenter mentioned guys who are “naturals” who just get it…the reason they get it is because they’re emotionally attuned and socially calibrated. They know how to feel her out, sense where she is and what she needs, and lead her where she …
/r/seduction30/08/25 03:15 PM
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I get it. Your frustration is definitely valid. It’s hard sometimes to accept when people are so confidently incorrect 😂. Personally, I’ve learned the hard way to try to view those folks as novices or beginners. It’s not their fault necessarily that they’re ignorant (some are taught wrong or have dysfunctional conditioning), but they do need to take ownership of it if they want to improve. To expand on your point about the “creep” label - absolutely, men generally misunderstand the label because…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 12:41 AM
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Haha that was because they were acting feminine - not because they started taking care of themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:39 PM
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You’re spot on. I really appreciate not only your support but your thoughtful expansion on my comment. The funny thing is that those same thoughts are attractive in the context of an intimate relationship. Women want to be desired by a man they admire and trust - that’s the fundamental explanation. Guys just aren’t taught (or don’t try) to understand how to feel them out emotionally. And a lot of guys learn to approach problem-solving in a very direct way. When you only use a hammer, then everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 09:35 PM
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The key point he’s making is that men misinterpret dressing sexy as an open invitation for intimacy. Men are direct about what they want, but women are coy about their desires - they generally need trust and safety for sexual intimacy. I’ve had women blatantly express their sexual desires to me, only to pull back for no apparent reason. That wasn’t because I did something wrong. That’s them expressing a future desire, but she needs to feel more comfortable before we progress to that level. A cyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 03:36 PM
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I think this requires some clarity. Lust is only “wrong” if that’s how it’s framed in a person’s religious system…however, from a psychological and spiritual perspective, lust is chaos. That’s why it’s offensive to women on a deep emotional level - it’s a feminine quality. She’s not mad that you’re spilling your seed to random chicks online - she’s disgusted that you have no control over your animal instincts. Because that’s what defines a masculine man: holding your emotional center, maintainin…
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:18 AM
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Hey bro. It’s going to be alright. We need to get you a win is all. Chances are your vibe is off when approaching. You’re in college, so try not to stress so much about living at home - you are where you are. That self-judgement tells me that energy is probably being reflected in your social interactions. But I’d need to hear more to pin-point the issue. Feel free to DM me and we can figure it out together - no scammy coaching, just a guy who wants to help.
/r/seduction28/08/25 03:01 AM
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Have you tried the 5 second rule? It might also help to have 3 types of openers in your toolkit depending on your mood or how hot/initiating she is: direct, observational, and situational. There are plenty of others, but imo these are the most flexible and natural. The workhorse opener that never lets me down: “Hey, you look like X”. X can be funny, sincere, or just observational - you just read her vibe and go with your gut. Is she wearing sweatpants and crocs? “Hey - you look like you’re havin…
/r/seduction28/08/25 02:52 AM
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Ngl, you had me in the first half
/r/seduction24/08/25 02:33 AM
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I’d add to that: why flex at all? If you’re always “performing”, you’ll end up attracting women who either always expect you to perform, are performers themselves, or you’ll end up getting blown out
/r/seduction22/08/25 08:22 PM
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You don’t go into it with the mindset of “get a kiss”. That’s outcome dependent and they’ll eventually sense your agenda. You go in with the mentality that you’re going to have a good time no matter what and give off ‘daddy energy’ so they feel they can just vibe and have a good time. If you’re seem comfortable in your own masculine presence, they’ll test you to see if you flinch or chase. Pass those tests (they’re a good sign, trust me) and lead (don’t control) the emotional interaction, and th…
/r/seduction22/08/25 01:32 PM
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The gifts you described don’t seem overly materialistic to me - I’m a man, and I can understand how meaningful small gestures can be when they’re tied to feeling loved and valued. If that’s how you need to be loved, then that’s simply a truth both of you need to acknowledge and navigate together. Little sentimental gifts, like a book with a love note or a small pair of earrings, are affordable ways to show care. It would be a different conversation if you were asking for Louis Vuitton bags or lu…
/r/RedPillWomen18/08/25 05:17 PM
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That’s really the crux of the false reality created by the internet. There’s a societal layer of bullshit filled with insecure and narcissistic people trying to convince the rest of us that we aren’t good enough and we should be just as miserable as they are. My life got so much better once I realized that a lot of social media is propaganda, manipulation, and marketing. Developing your media literacy skills definitely helps discernment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 02:56 PM
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Excellent advice. The way I conceptualized this on my own was to use the “yes, and…” approach from improv. It’s a helpful training tool to get guys comfortable with expressing that you dgaf. Your approach here is more advanced and I really appreciate the write up.
/r/seduction12/08/25 02:09 AM
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I have a friend who does have problems - fairly obvious ones - who is also doubting his therapy. What I can say from my experience is that almost everyone can benefit from therapy. Even if you don’t have major problems like addiction, depression, or BPD - therapy can help you learn more about yourself and, most importantly, the family dynamics that shaped you. Most men have emotional issues that they aren’t even aware of because we’ve been conditioned to sweep those feelings under the rug instea…
/r/seduction02/08/25 02:39 AM
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Oh okay, my fault. When I say options, I mean paths to a solution. I said in my original comment that depression is often about being stuck and feeling like you don’t have options. To put it in perspective, anxiety is the opposite where you feel you have to many options or possible outcomes that you can’t make a decision. A hypothetical example would be - “I feel depressed because I underperformed in school, and now that I graduated I feel judged and I’m afraid I won’t be able to find a job.” Th…
/r/seduction01/08/25 08:12 PM
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Got it. That specific statement was regarding depression and BPD. Most guys think that getting X outcome (like a hot girl) will solve their problems, like confidence and happiness. That’s a false reality. If someone is struggling with mental health issues, the women willing to engage intimately will be in the same place as them - perpetuating a disastrous cycle and making it difficult to escape. It’s my personal opinion that CBT is one of the most efficient and targeted forms of treating mental …
/r/seduction01/08/25 05:19 PM
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I genuinely can’t tell if you’re joking. Depression is way bigger than not having dating options. This is a conversation about mental health, not dating. Hope that helps.
/r/seduction01/08/25 12:06 PM
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I’m really glad in 2025 there’s a lot of guys like yourself who understand this
/r/seduction31/07/25 01:28 AM
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If you are truly depressed and dating, then you’re more likely to attract people into your life who will keep you depressed. Depression is most often feeling stuck and feeling like you have no avenues to escape or improve your situation - and it’s usually a false reality. If you’re experiencing BPD, I strongly recommend you seek professional help - specifically a Cognitive Behavioral Therapist. They can get you grounded back in reality and help you see all the options you have on the table. Feel…
/r/seduction31/07/25 01:26 AM
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Interesting. Patrice O’Neal liked to do something similar - but more extreme. He talked on The Black Philip show about how he would insult women (“your breath stinks”), then once they reacted he’d tell them he’s just playing and shift to a warm-flirty energy. Not my style personally - though I do respect the boldness. I think a more authentic and socially calibrated way to use this concept might be to break rapport with something shockingly honest but funny from the jump. That way you’re still g…
/r/seduction30/07/25 01:04 PM
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Yea, it was really painful once I realized this. Maybe it’s just part of becoming a man to recognize that this is our “cross to bear”. I do value the women in my life who I consider friends. I’ve also been fortunate to get paired with a female therapist in the past who really understands what men are experiencing nowadays. My current perspective: modern men are paying for the sins of previous generations of men, and our attempts to fix it are often undermined by feminist gaslighting and resentme…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 09:16 PM
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Nothing against women at all, but I have to be honest - as I man I have rarely received emotional support from women in my family or in relationships. It’s always been female friends that offer emotional support, which is why I advocate for men to cultivate platonic friendships with certain women in their lives. I’m sure some men have supportive SO’s and female family members, but it seems like the majority of us don’t get that from intimate relationships because the women who are invested in us…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:35 PM
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Pretty simple, brother. You tried to manipulate her, which is never a long-term solution. You just learned a lesson in valuing authenticity. Don’t let it stop your growth. We learn more from our mistakes than our successes. Take some time to reflect and think about how you would have felt if the roles were reversed. Then dust yourself off and go again. Feel free to DM me if you want to chat or strategize your next move. 🤙
/r/seduction29/07/25 07:38 PM
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You’re right there, but you just need a slight adjustment. It isn’t “making” others step into your reality - that is the toxic energy that women dislike. You are inviting them to step into your reality, because your reality is stronger, grounded, and better (“higher status”). I’m not saying you or your intentions are toxic at all. But I think you will have more success if you make that adjustment to your vibe. An important principle to remember is that toxic men take/force, positive men give/inv…
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:43 PM
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Yes, maintaining frame is important. I was actually replying to the other guy, but since we’re here - I’m curious, can you define frame control and give a clear example?
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:34 PM
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Genuinely not calling you out - it sounds like you misunderstand what frame control means and how it works. Frame control is presented, not won, taken or forced upon others. I can help clarify further if you like.
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:24 PM
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Dude, she might be on to something. You really should share the screen shot of the convo so we can figure out the vibe. If you did try to brute force a response from this girl, that isn’t frame control - that’s dominance. And not the good kind. I find it weird that she would be cagey about a simple question like that. Could it be a bot or catfish situation?
/r/seduction24/07/25 11:20 PM
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Hey man - it sounds like you’re in a rough place right now. I’m here if you want to talk about what you’re going thru and help you strategize a plan to get out of it. DM me anytime.
/r/seduction24/07/25 03:32 PM
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Someone else here said, “don’t approach, attract”. That implies that you have control over the other person’s experience - which is a lie “dating gurus” sell to desperate men. The actual solution is, “don’t approach. Invite connection.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:52 PM
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You’ve done a great job articulating a big part of the internal issue these guys face - seriously, well done 👏. That said, I don’t think the food analogy works. We need food to survive. Female attention, romance, and sex aren’t basic survival needs. If they were, the government would be handing out “hooker vouchers” like food stamps. Quality female companionship (not ONS or chaotic casual flings) is really the cherry on top - it’s the reward for getting your life in order. It’s not that these gu…
/r/seduction14/07/25 05:06 PM
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In terms of “walking through fire” (taking action), yes - talking to women is where you get real reps. But confidence in talking to women is only a small part of the entire package you should be building. It’s like a plant with access to just a sliver of sunlight: it grows in one narrow direction, ignoring the space around it where it could truly flourish. The big lie sold by the seduction industry is that simply learning to talk to, seduce (or let’s be honest, manipulate) women will deliver lon…
/r/seduction13/07/25 07:29 PM
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Truthfully, it could be any woman. It’s depends on what kind of man is with her. It’s a problem of situational awareness, not target selection.
/r/seduction12/07/25 11:47 PM
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My pleasure brother. DM anytime me if you want to chat.
/r/seduction12/07/25 09:30 PM
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This is a classic situation and you’re not alone in getting frustrated about it. But the thing to understand is this: men have always been gatekeepers to access to women. When another man steps in and makes it even potentially violent - even with just a shove or a threat - the entire vibe for her is ruined. She immediately goes into defensive mode, even if she liked you before. No woman wants to choose between two guys about to fight, especially at a rave or party where she just wants fun. That’…
/r/seduction12/07/25 08:40 PM
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Okay, I was going to recommend Supply House on the UES - that’s where I would go solo and learned to come out of my shell. Probably too far for you. I would recommend doing some legwork to find a bar that is casual cool, but approachable - spacious with lots of standing room. The nice thing about living in NY is that, if you dress decently and you’re at a fun, sociable spot - that most people assume you’re someone they should meet. Find a spot you like and start going there right before it gets …
/r/seduction11/07/25 11:16 PM
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What neighborhood in NY? I might know a great bar nearby to go out solo and meet new people
/r/seduction11/07/25 10:47 PM
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Women insult men like the wind blows trees. It’s part of the game. It doesn’t necessarily make her a bad person (though she does sound like a bitch here). Part of developing as a man is learning not to take these kinds of insults personally. They usually come from a reactive, chaotic, emotional place. Back in the day, men didn’t take women’s barbs seriously at all - and I think this is why: women’s words can be mercurial and flippant. These days it’s considered misogynist to say that, but I don’…
/r/seduction11/07/25 08:43 PM
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Right. Imo, the biggest struggle for most guys (that they aren’t aware of) is the lack of emotional awareness. As men, we’re taught not to be emotional - which conditions many of us to ignore our emotions completely. We become numb instead of aware when awareness makes control possible.
/r/seduction11/07/25 08:21 PM
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First off, what you’re describing is completely normal. It’s actually a sign that your emotions and imagination are working as designed. The key is recognizing that your feelings are signals, not truth. I often tell guys to think in terms of the monkey mind paradigm: your primal brain will spin fantasies and longings because it’s wired for bonding, desire, even obsession. That’s its job. Your higher self - your reasoning mind - is there to manage it. Instead of trying to suppress those thoughts,…
/r/seduction11/07/25 07:18 PM
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