I think the idea is that the patriarchy has set roles for the genders. And men are stuck in that leader, head of household, provider role, even if they want to be a stay at home dad or something else that doesn't fall under that
That is a completely different issue. Obviously people's eligibility to vote shouldn't be based off class. The fact that struggle was taking place, doesn't take away from the struggle of women having less voting rights than men though
That's not what the comment I was replying to said. They said women voted against suffrage prior to receiving it. The comment was talking about prior to receiving the right to vote
Men are not equally sexualized. And the fact that you don't consider something and issue just goes back to what I said about things being better/worse based on individual views.
I am not saying that we can deny any type of discrimination, it is obvious. But people still disagree on which ones are better/worse. An example: feminists upset about being sexualized while men suffer from a serious lack of validation. From my perspective, I would rather be sexualized than receive no validation. But not everyone feels the same and many see the constant sexualization as degrading and more harmful. The fact that both exist doesn't mean everyone agrees on which is worse
I think it is all about perception. We all have our own ideas of which inequalities are better or worse than others and that influences who we think is/was more oppressed.
I think that you are right that voting has little impact. It is only just a freedom on principle. I get the same vibe about women in the manual labor field. Like it would be wrong to not allow us to but barely any women actually want to.
I think that still supports the idea of focusing on women's rights leveling the playing field. That if they can also hold jobs and enroll in the military then it is easier for men to not be forced into those things. Obviously that still hasn't been completely accomplished but things like women being able to work any job definitely benefited both genders
It seems like you equate the group fighting it being mostly women to most women were fighting it. I'm not arguing with the rest of the comment because I do agree
What do you mean so what? People's judgement as a society has a big impact on everyone's lives. A lot of mens rights issues are centered around societies judgement of them.
I mean, rich people in general can do whatever the hell they want. I feel like that is a separate issue. Rich men vs rich women and poor men vs poor women is the comparison that makes sense when talking about inequality because bringing the economic classes into it doesn't accurately address gender inequality because it's influenced by classes
Women becoming responsible for their part in the household and having freedom economically gave men more freedom to not have to carry the wait of two people so much. It also isn't true that women have always been able to hold the same jobs as men so I don't really have a response to explain how something that didn't happen benefited anyone. A lot feminist things now a days make things harder for men. I am only talking about the past.
This is a subreddit I used to be more active in and still follow and occasionally comment in. Sometimes I agree with the masses on here, sometimes I don't. I am not here to try to give any kind of advice. I'm pretty sure most of the subreddit would be offended if I did. I don't always agree with individual posts but I agree with it as a whole. I wouldn't call myself feminist in the slightest because it tends to be a pretty toxic group of people. I don't dislike "women's rights" enough to fit in …
I live in the US so my views are based around that. I understand that it is different in every country and that different countries face different issues for both genders
Women who can't vote voted against it? That doesn't even make sense And yeah, it's pretty fucked up that men can be drafted but not women. I 100% agree
It is toxic that men doing something that many women do every day are judged. Society thinks it's less valid because they should be providers and unfairly judge them
Men did gain the right to vote before women though. It just depends how far back we were looking. Obviously there were times where no one got to vote at all
Most women/people in general weren't rich so that really doesn't say much about the general state of things. Allowing someone to vote or hold a job is not forcing someone to do either if those things. And how could we allow men to stay home if women aren't allowed to work? Someone needs to work. (I understand that it is still not socially acceptable but at least it isn't impossible anymore)
Originally women were at much more of a disadvantage then they are now. They couldn't vote or hold most jobs or have any say in a relationship. So focusing on them was leveling the playing field. It's not like that anymore though and feminism needs to acknowledge that. Men go through a lot that women don't understand and people are all important, no matter their gender. We need to look out for all fellow humans, not half of them.
I went through that phase big time. I have had sex with 100-150 people and if I did it over, I would only have sex with the people I was in love with (5 or 6). The first ~40 were in my first couple years of college. It was all because I wanted attention and to not feel alone. I didn’t know how to attract people outside of sex. It was a search for connection and validation. I didn’t need to go through that phase, I just needed to love myself and find some social skills.
