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"I don’t care about the liberty of your dick." Strawman. Clearly I am not speaking for myself but for the possibly millions of men who would make use of the service of sex workers and the right of the latter to service them as safely as possible. Saying "I don't care" is not a serious answer, and ultimately you cannot, as John Oliver suggests, make sex work safe without also legitimizing the customer. Since prostitution has been prohibited in the U.S, illicit sex-workers have been as disposable …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:00 AM
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That's why they're viscerally against it. But sadly for them the same culture of sexual liberty which gives them permission to engage in Chad sharing no longer has an excuse to prohibit legal sex work. Also since there is no longer any "enforced monogamy" women themselves as a collective are increasingly at odds with regards to sex work. It's the many women who would engage in the trade to earn easy money (think all the OnlyFan gals who don't earn much!) vs the women who want to maintain the sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:48 AM
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Why are you standing in the way of sexual liberty? Why are do you want to get between two consenting adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:32 AM
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You speak out as much as you'd like, but that "speaking out" must be more substantive than you merely stating your distaste. If you don't present better argument for why sexual liberty shouldn't be expanded this way in the U.S then I can only conclude that you have distaste for legal sex work because you view it as a threat to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:13 AM
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Bro -- DO NOT BUY into the "trafficking" frame. It's a lie. It has served as an effective rhetorical weapon against sex work but it's just that -- a rhetorical tool of the anti-sex workers. It is a nebulous and vague term which also sounds scary. "Gee, Mr, why would you support sex trafficking?" sounds an awful lot like "Gee Mr, why would you support anyone transporting sex slaves and forcing them to have sex?" But the term "trafficking" 100% conveniently ignores the agency of the sex worker. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 03:03 AM
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This is the exact thing John Oliver is talking about. The phrase "trafficking" is vague and obfuscates what's really going on -- sex workers WILLINGLY migrating for better opportunity. The use of the phrase "trafficking" is propagandistic because it suggestive of enslaved women being forced across borders and it denies agency to these enterprising women who are merely traveling for opportunity. It's voluntary migration. The "traffickers" are just middle-men who enable to the transportation. Sorr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 02:32 AM
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Oh no, imagine the horror if the "sexual liberty" zeitgeist came to include legal prostitution!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 01:18 AM
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The culture is already changing so that prostitution becomes even more tolerated due to many women realizing that if they can whore on Tinder for Chad they can also whore in actuality for Legal Tender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:08 PM
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It would appear that a nerve has been hit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:48 AM
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Irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:39 AM
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your point is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:39 AM
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I think I've won this exchange. You should be embarrassed. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:38 AM
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The intention of prohibition is not to completely eliminate the practice of prostitution (an impossible goal) but to significantly discourage it. This legal regime makes it so that the average "sex worker" is uglier and more costly than need be if the practice were legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:36 AM
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Sex work encounters will be arranged online. No need for street-walkers. Still against? What will you contrive now as your excuse for being against sexual liberty? Also, why does your contempt for men who use prostitutes matter? It's not like you were going to sleep with those type of "losers" anyway amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:08 AM
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I don't want it for personal reasons but just to reduce overall male U.S thirst. Regardless, it's appalling that you appear to be against sexual liberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:46 AM
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The prohibitive legal posture sends a message of heavy disapproval which many accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:33 AM
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"unconditional approval" is not what's being demanded but the legal right to engage in the act which you might disapprove. The question of whether or not I disapprove of homosexuality should have no baring on its legality. Likewise you and sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:30 AM
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Are you for or against expanding sexual liberty by legalizing prostitution?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 02:27 AM
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Why are you against sexual liberty? What is wrong with the principle of "sexual liberty for all including men who want to use sex-workers and those willing to service them"? Why the shaming language? If women can share Chad why do you care that the male losers of this system be compensated by allowing legal prostitution? Why are you against freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:15 AM
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I understand that man. But if you want that, you should still support legal and MAINSTREAMING of prostitution so as to help lower the simping and endless thirst which only enables young women's CC riding.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:10 AM
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The experience provided by a younger woman is not the same as the experience provided by a near menopausal woman. If an incel ends up with a 40 year old woman, it's fair to say that he still missed out on the key experience of making love to a young woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 01:02 AM
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Tinder culture results in Chad sharing. Shortage in young women caused by Chad-sharing causes loser men to be more willing to see prostitutes and, moreover, proposition women in real life to have sex with them for money because the basis for such norms which was a culture of "enforced monogamy" is no longer in effect. Culture will give women permission to work as sex workers by making the profession legal. If it becomes possible to set up paid-for "hook-ups" on a hypothetical "Hookr" app as disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:54 AM
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Of course not most. It need not be most but just whatever percentage that will be willing to service the demand created by the men who lose out as a result of Chad-sharing in getting to experience sex and getting their touch-need met. An equilibrium will be reached.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:40 AM
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Evidence: "sex worker" language widely being adopted across the American Left as the only valid term for them. What I am claiming is that the percent of women who would work as prostitutes IF the service was legal and as easy as setting up a Tinder hookup is agitating loudly for the repeal of the laws that stop them. Yes, there is undoubtedly an element of intra-female competition herein between the younger women willing to work as prostitutes and the near-menopausal ones either seeking or alrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 12:08 AM
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The stigma against being a prostitute will change just like the stigma against being gay changed. It's already happening with the adoption of the "sex worker" pc language. Simply put, the same sexual liberalization that allows for Tinder is leading many a gal -- I can't give you a figure, but they are increasingly putting pressure on society (see John Oliver's latest show aimed specifically at the "sex trafficking" feminist/Social Conservative propaganda as an example of their message spreading)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:48 PM
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The argument is that this results in women Chad-sharing. Women having economic parity + their complete sexual liberty means that they their sexual choice has a tendency to settle on the same men who, in the big picture, can be said to be "sharing" that larger pool of women. In this context the word "polygyny" (the form of polygamy in question) is a macro description of the sexual marketplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:41 PM
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But pure and simple, the paradigm for social awkward dudes and the stable guy getting settled for later in life hasn’t changed, WHAT A PRICE
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:30 PM
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"I'll give you money for sex" is illegal in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:28 PM
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not in u.s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 11:01 PM
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But what is your point? Some women will be open to selling their sexuality. If they can whore around on Tinder surely they can whore for Legal Tender?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 10:58 PM
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This doesn't address anything I said. I merely predicted an evolution of the culture in which men come to intuit that the "enforced monogamy" model now being dead to their disadvantage means that they are no longer bound by the former "thou shall nots." This "feeling" will be so systematic that at the very least soft-tolerance of prostitution will be forced on society as more men become incel and more women see opportunity in selling their sexuality to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 10:55 PM
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She just spews hateful misandry. I dealt with her this morning. I'm blocking her. Bro, block her -- she doesn't argue in good faith and the caliber of her arguments doesn't go above what you just witnessed. Never forget that so often here you are interacting with people even weirder than incels and see talking about incels as a big LARPING opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:06 PM
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Strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:23 PM
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I've already objected to this suggestion so now you're just needling me. Drink Drano, asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:13 PM
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I meant a canine. Let a canine have sex with you. That's what your idea of suggesting homosexuality sounds like. Weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 11:38 AM
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Why don't you have sex with a dog? Let a dog perform sex acts on you. Some people are into that, you know!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 11:33 AM
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Well put.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:43 AM
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And completely liberating female sexuality (while still keeping restrictions on men) is having that same "no baby" effect. Legalized prostitution could very well change the incentives women have re riding the CC, delaying marriage, etc. The female erotic capital hoarding by Chads factor -- in addition to the prohibition of prostitution -- entitles women to party it up in their 20s and delay marriage. The way out of this is to deflate the price of their sexual availability as to encourage them to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:34 AM
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I didn't say "dating" trans people. I said finding the idea of being "trans" -- the very act of transitioning -- as repulsive. If in a discussion as to whether or not being trans should be legal I only chimed in with "ewww, how gross" then it's very likely that, come push to shove, I do not favor making it legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:25 AM
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Probably. It's a way to look "progressive" (sparing the poor women who work as whores!) by punishing one side in the transaction -- the men. In Texas they made it a felony for a guy to see a prostitute but not a felony to work as one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:11 AM
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These same liberal feminists do not respect the principle of "sexual liberty" when it comes to this issue and they are mostly eager about the horrible policy which goes by the name of the "nordic model" which still legally targets the clients of prostitutes while sparing the prostitutes themselves because they're womenz.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:01 AM
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"sex trafficking" hysteria = shameless lie women/social conservatives use to discourage prostitution because they can't present a coherent argument against it given the "sexual liberty" zeitgeist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:55 AM
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Would you want to be a prostitute or would you want your daughter to be a prostitute? Not the apex kind either. ​ I wouldn't want my hypothetical daughter to do many jobs, and just because this is so doesn't mean that the professions I may consider beneath my daughter's dignity should be prohibited. ​ There are sex workers themselves who speak against the trade and its not to spite sexually unsuccessful men. It’s because they know about the abuses that go on first hand. Many non sex worker women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:38 AM
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Suppose becoming trans were illegal, and I were to broach the subject of making it legal, and your reply entirely consists of "Ewww, how repulsive, becoming trans is gross." It's fair to conclude that you do not favor the policy of legalizing becoming trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:29 AM
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They declare distaste and shame as if it should matter. See the other threads on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:23 AM
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They just declare the distaste as if it should mean anything. I can have distaste for homosexuality, transexuals, the sexual practices of other people etc. Why should it matter? These women are logically trapped because their "rational mind" is receptive to the pro-sexual liberty argument but self-interest makes them want to prohibit legal prostitution, so they resort to shaming Johns.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:15 AM
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I won't go to jail for eating oysters -- I could be arrested for seeing a hooker though. If being trans was illegal and someone broached the topic of making it legal -- responding with "I think transgenderism is gross ewwww" would indicate hostility to making it legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:11 AM
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You all reject sex workers for commitment and relationships. Where’s the competition. Lol? Yea...they're sex workers. Some men may be inclined to wife them up...who cares? You just want to set up the "Nordic model" which still forbids prostitution for males. You want to control male sexuality from a selfish perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:05 AM
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So...you are against sexual liberty? You think the law should stand between the prostitute and those willing to be her clients? Why should your distaste matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:58 AM
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Are you for or against sexual liberty? Should two consenting adults be allowed to exchange sex for money? Why do you want to police the sexuality of other people? Isn't it possible that your motivation is selfish (you don't want the competition)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:54 AM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:42 AM
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Well put. But do note -- we actually don't have "encorfed monogamy" anymore. We have quasi-polygyny in which a subset of men get an abundance of sexual opportunity and other men get nothing. So it's preposterous that prostitution continues to be stigmatized!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:41 AM
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That can be said about *many* jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:38 AM
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sidestepping argument + pearl clutching.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:37 AM
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what a substantive response
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 02:26 AM
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No, it's about replacing relationships -- do not strawman -- it's about expanding sexual liberty and reducing male sexual angst. Yes, the men of those countries are freer and have less to complain about than American men when it comes to the issue of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:31 AM
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I agree bro with the thrust of your argument but their resentment isn't as specific as that (imo). It will mean less thirst and, therefore, less simping after Plain Becky whose socio-sexual status will get reduced when Chads and all the thirsty betas can just pull up the Hookr app.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:28 AM
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based
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:25 AM
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Prostitution is not legal in "Nevada." It's legal in a few counties in Nevada and -- as the only locales in the whole of the U.S with legal prostitution -- prostitutes there are overly expensive. When we speak of "legalized prostitution" we mean there being a Hookr app through which you can summon a willing sex worker. Feminists and women in general stand in the way of that particular form of sexual liberty from a selfish point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:21 AM
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I don't quite think their revulsion at prostitution is about men being able to sleep with pretty women easily (although that is a factor no doubt). It's revulsion at men being able to get sex easily, period, and therefore bypassing the relational/material extraction demanded by the average woman of the average man for sex. That they are against prostitution directly follows from the classic paper by Baumeister and Voh ("Sexual Economics: Sex as Female Resource for Social Exchange in Heterosexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 12:16 AM
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They want the benefit of sexual liberty for themselves (Tinder, no stigma to sleeping around, sharing Chads etc) but not for the masses of men (in the form legalized prostitution). I say either the so called "Sexual Revolution" gets completed by normalizing prostitution -- as compensation to the men who lose out -- or the sexual revolution should get reversed (which I don't see happening). It's legit time for men to become vocal about normalizing of prostitution from a John-centric point of view…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 09:09 AM
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Agreed. They should not be allowed to have it both ways because, at the end of the day, the prohibition of prostitution is an artificial limitation on the Sexual Marketplace which could only be justified on the basis of other, now defunct limitations (i.e enforced monogamy.) Ending enforced monogamy has turned society in a polygynous direction. The choice of sexually liberated women has a tendency to land on the same men who then quasi-monopolize these women (with their consent) at the expense o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 08:16 AM
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A logical case has been made by the OP for why prostitution should be legalized. Chiming in with something along the lines of "I have distaste for the customer's of prostitutes" is useless and if feelings determine our political views it suggests that, push come to shove, she won't lift a finger to expand sexual liberty in this manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 06:39 AM
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The illegality drives up prices and makes the "quality" of prostitutes EXTREMELY low. The prices for decent looking and fit escorts are exorbitant. So, yes, prohibition is having its intended effect of discouraging the practice to the majority of would be clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:57 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:20 AM
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You are free to state distaste for men who use prostitutes. Men are free to state distaste for single mothers and women who have been used as organic sex dolls by many Chads. Do not speak for "society." I am part of society, as are all men, and the majority of them support the legalization of prostitution in the U.S. The majority of them, I think, would understand men who need to resort to the services of an escort in order to get their sexual needs met. The hypergamous nature of women at the le…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 03:18 AM
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Your "sympathy" would be meaningless. Legalized prostitution wouldn't be meaningless though. Just don't get in the way of that and we're good -- no one cares about your "sympathy."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:13 AM
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look up nordic model
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 02:05 AM
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Stop legally getting in the way of the average dude being able to buy sex from those willing to sell it him. That's it. Many leftist females are being straight up disingenous when they say they "support" sex workers -- what they mean is they support sex workers in being free from legal harassment (because women are angels) but still want to prohibit men from buying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:29 AM
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Okay but you expressing this distaste is irrelevant. However, it's *understandable* because in an environment with legal prostitution the value of female sexual availability gets deflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:26 AM
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The hamster rationalization in this thread is WILD. Fact is it's women who hate prostitutes the MOST because they make it easy to get sex. Women still want a limitation placed on male sexuality (inability to buy sex) from a SELFISH point of view (competition for me.) Women are free to state their distaste for men who use prostitutes -- no problem. Men are free to state their distaste for women who have slept around. The OP points out a fundamental issue with the United States' sexual marketplace…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:09 AM
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Your opposition to legalized prostitution cannot be divorced from the reality that those prostitutes are competition for you. You are standing in the way of sexual liberty (prostitutes and men doing business) when you yourself benefit from sexual liberty (your right to chase Chads on Tinder.)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:06 AM
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Because heterosexual men are the market for sex workers? We are talking about expanding sexual liberty by allowing legal prostitution -- heterosexual men (aka johns, clients) are the market. So if you care to approach the question of legalizing prostitution as one of sexual liberty (being a prostitute and being allowed to buy sex) then it's absurd to discount the perspective of the class who constitute the market. However, it isn't absurd to discount their perspective if your goal is to keep pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:02 AM
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I wanted to point out that your comment was about as useful as men saying "I don't like fat chicks/single mothers/women who have slept around." You expressed distaste for men who use prostitutes -- you expressed distaste for a consensual sexual activity when we are talking about expanding sexual liberty and allowing that very activity. So your "open-mindedness" here is very grudging.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:56 AM
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They only do it from the perspective of "what's good for the prostitute" with no thought for the Johns whatsoever -- hence, why they so often settle on the "Nordic model" which still punishes men. These same women stigmatize and have loathing for taking the perspective and needs of heterosexual men into consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:52 AM
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There is nothing wrong with that. The issue is that when the average man wants sex just for the sake of having sex, it isn't as easy for him as it easy for you. So, why stand in the way of him being able to just pay for it? The average man does not benefit from women "just wanting sex" the same way the average woman does, because these "average women" are HYPERGAMOUS and will have sex with men that other women find desirable. So, a polyganous mating arrangement. The loser males need to be compen…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:46 AM
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Women politically stand in the way of the normalization and legalization of prostitution in the U.S and Canada.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:45 AM
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The problem is that the sort of guy women naturally give easy sexual access to is NOT the average guy but in the top 20% in terms of attractiveness. It's those males in the top 20% who get to experience the joys of "no strings attached" sex while the rest of men get left with crumbs. I am not calling for limiting anyone's sexuality but it's absurd to deny the men who lose out as a consequence of the top 20% men getting quasi-harems (and women willing to share them) the right to simply pay for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:42 AM
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You exaggerate. What is the statistical porn actress suicide? Especially in this OnlyFans/Amateur porn age?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:38 AM
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Those "suicide rates" could very well be a result of prohibition itself and an atmosphere that shames sex workers and their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:26 AM
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You're the one speaking for prostitutes. Some class of jobs will always be undesirable from a person's perspective...that don't mean it a job that doesn't need to get done. You want to place a limitation on male sexual liberty (using prostitutes) for your own selfish benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:25 AM
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You can share your distaste all you want. Just because you have distaste for something doesn't mean it shouldn't be legal. Maybe many men have distaste for women who have slept around, or are overweight, or are single mothers etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 12:16 AM
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I would want a sex robot just so I could carry it around in public to rub it in the face of the bio-women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 03:51 AM
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They want their life choices validated, and they consider you potent sexual rivals. If you started settling down, you might select older, more established men (say older by 5-10 years.) Those are men those millennial gals want in THEIR marriage pool. They know that you are more naturally attractive as marriage material. Selfishness motivates SO much behavior...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:19 PM
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That has no baring on what I said. There are plenty of women taller than the average man, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 09:33 AM
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The low inhib person is low inhib by virtue of a positive feed-back loop that has to do with the black-pill. Good looks --> halo effect -->more social daring/forgiveness by peers -->confident outgoing personality. When people like me are out-going and assertive, we are considered pushy and and are resented. I've learned to get a kick out of it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 08:00 AM
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Hahahaha. This is pure red-pill delusion. Chad can text back as fast as he wants. LVM from her point of view in terms of raw personal attraction have to play these mental games to get her interested. Of course there's a degree of truth to what you say, but also a degree of red-pill "I can will-power my way to attractiveness" delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:57 PM
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There must be a certain level of female openness to you before you can "take your shot," otherwise you are a legitimate creep who can't read social cues. I have enough dignity not to "shoot my shot" at every possible opportunity. Yuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 03:51 PM
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"creep" is female code for "sexually repulsive male." It's a mean gendered slur.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/21 02:47 PM
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