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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
0	looking for debate on this article	Debate	itchman	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 01:51 PM

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2	looking for debate on this article I'm following you now and I agree with you. But it would also be inappropriate to call these gender ideals "universal" (I know you aren't saying that) in the sense that they are not biologic or genetic, that they can change. I agree with you on side-stepping the class and religious matters. On a "what's wrong with India" article, this one completely misses. But I am interested in two points of the article. One, that the arrows of technology and culture in the developed world point to a future wh…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 06:19 PM
1	looking for debate on this article Have you read the article? I’m not seeing your point and your discussion appears completely off topic.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 05:13 PM
1	looking for debate on this article and? Those are certainly examples that marriage is not universal. If you do a bit of research you will see these aren't the only two. How humans have organized have varied significantly both over time and geography.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 04:00 PM
1	looking for debate on this article Thanks, appreciate the thought out comment. I generally agree with you. I think there are both biological and cultural traits that we will have a difficult time overcoming, but I think that there can be reduction on the pressure and rigidity of these roles that may help with the stress we are seeing. Stress that is a result of the incompatible traditional male role with modern society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:58 PM
1	looking for debate on this article I really look at it more broadly, both in time and geography. As I've mentioned elsewhere there are plenty of examples of matriarchal cultures or extended group cultures that don't rely on a male/female pairing. The article goes into some pre-empire cultures of india and native america that were at odds with european masculinity. discusses the assassination of Ghandi for emasculating ideas.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:53 PM
2	looking for debate on this article I'm not arguing against that. In fact, I think that is a huge part of the issue. That what the opposite sex finds attractive helps to cement these gender roles. That men find submissive women attractive plays a part in the submission of women. That this personality characteristic is physically selected through submissive physical traits (diminutive stature, etc). The same holds true for the attractiveness of men. Women select for dominant men and select for those traits that represent that chara…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:49 PM
3	looking for debate on this article what? Not sure how you are defining "marriage" but the western idea of "marriage" is certainly not universal . Many societies (current and in the past) do not engage in a monogamous commitment (see: Walking Marriage, see: Cherokee honor of promiscuity, etc.). And yes all living things select for beneficial genetic traits but it isn't that simple, there are cultural aspects as well that both men and women select for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:39 PM
2	looking for debate on this article agreed that it isn't all cultural or all biologic, but I think you are making some assumptions. First relying on men for survival is another culture specific strategy, there are lots of examples of group survival that don't rely on a male/female pairing. Second, again work on gender specific genital response isn't related to the cultural aspects of attractiveness. Anyway, I appreciate your civil argument and I think we are getting off point on whether there should be more emphasis on the rigidit…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:26 PM
2	looking for debate on this article There are lots of cultures that rely on a tribe, extended family grouping for protection and resources, and not a man/woman pairing. Also lots of examples in the animal world of different strategies.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 03:01 PM
2	looking for debate on this article Don't want to get off topic but I think I have to say that Anthropologists don't just "like to say" stuff. They are scientists that follow the scientific method just like other sciences. science is science across disciplines and is constantly updated as new evidence is presented. That said, I am generally familiar with these studies and they aren't really on-topic. arousal response doesn't really apply to whether attractiveness is culturally based. The evidence is pretty clear that there is a la…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:57 PM
1	looking for debate on this article The article hits on a lot (maybe you would call it rambling), but some ideas are difficult to boil down to a few points. However, I think the key points I pull from it are: "traditional roles" are largely western traditional roles Western defined masculinity has encouraged imperialism. "Historians have emphasised how male workers, humiliated by such repressive industrial practices as automation and time management, also began to assert their manhood by swearing, drinking and sexually harassing t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:47 PM
1	looking for debate on this article I generally agree, But I think it is important to not frame this as men versus women, and recognize the negative impact on men as a result of this culture. I'm just beginning to recognize the need for emphasis on removing cultural constraints on men, as we have begun to do for women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:42 PM
2	looking for debate on this article "traditional" masculine roles, may not be so "traditional". It is largely culturally based.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:38 PM
2	looking for debate on this article attractiveness is largely culturally based (not genetic). size and shape of attractive males and females are different across time and culture. But yes, I think these things are to replace traditional western masculine activities.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:36 PM
3	looking for debate on this article two points. You could make the same argument for tradtional female roles, right? Second, "tradtional" western gender roles aren't truly traditional. They are largely culturally based (not genetic).	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:25 PM
1	looking for debate on this article Read the article first. That's kind of the point of it, that these modern "outlets" are a result of modernization.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:23 PM
3	looking for debate on this article On that point, I think the article is addressing the hyper-masculinity like body building. An exaggerated version of the male body. I can think of several similar examples in female culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/03/18 02:22 PM