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Scienceitsfknoverm8/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:02 PM
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What I was getting at is most claims aren't black and white, and correlation is never perfect so exceptions are the norm. So if you investigated the claim "Women prefer 6'+ white guys with beards", you'd try to find some correlation of dating success to those variables. The correlation isn't going to be 1 (due to exceptions and variations in preference), but the bulk of the literature suggests its very high. Now this nuance isn't capture in a post title like "ALL women prefer 6'+ white guys with…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:10 AM
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I strongly disagree with your logic even though I agree with your conclusion. In many social sciences, exceptions to a trend don't necessarily disprove the trend or make the claim false. Especially since most data points exist in some distribution about a mean. Acknowledging that not all the data clusters around a single point is not the same as ignoring evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:47 PM
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I meet all the criteria and I have no romantic experience. I'd say: Humanities/ STEM gender imbalance on college campuses result in fewer intersex interaction opportunities. Also signifies a difference in interests/ approach to problem solving between the sexes that can reduce partner compatibility Greater intersex tension that is likely magnified at the higher socioeconomic levels, due to higher education levels (and therefore awareness of METOO/ feminist/ gender issues). This tension is partic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:19 PM
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Again, disgust is very different from insecurity. Treating social pariahs badly & considering them undesirable may not have anything to do with insecurity, but an acting out of internalized social standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:44 AM
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6 tends to be the argument used mostly by the left/ in gender studies classes. They'd probably argue its not necessarily external social pressure or shame, its more like a value system that is socially constructed & so ubiquitous that it is internalized. External shaming & social pressure are not needed to enforce this standard. Insecurity isn't necessarily the driving force, disgust is often at play since this value system deems sexually promiscuous women as lower value, If you look at those wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 12:34 AM
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I think 6 is also a viable option. Its almost a tautology to say if a woman is considered to be less desirable because of her sexual past, then naturally fewer men would be willing to engage with her. Also there are social shaming mechanisms & the fact that people date partners for social status to a certain extent. Arguably a lot of relationship dynamics stem from the perception of inherent value of female sexual purity that gets depreciated with use/ age.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 06:59 PM
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Responses to this tend to fall into 6 main categories to my mind Freedom Argument: People are free to determine their own standards Equality Argument: the opposite gender also has arbitrary standards that are socially acceptable (point of OP's post) The Correlate Argument: many other socially acceptable standards for romantic relationships also have no impact on the success of the relationship (e.g. physical attractiveness) Data Driven Argument: contrary to 3, a woman's sexual history does have …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:47 PM
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Worth noting that "insecure" is a common criticism of men who take issue with their partner's sexual past, despite there being an ostensible public push for men to not be constantly seen as strong/ stoic. May indicate that traditional gender roles are still being upheld for men. Additionally, there is nothing inherently negative about insecurity. Generally its hard for any movement to be internally consistent, so the push to eradicate traditional gender roles for women tends to fail to take into…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:14 AM
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Average tinder match rate for men is ~1% or about 1 match per day. I think a match rate of above 5% is extremely high
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 05:18 AM
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I think men whose lives revolve around attracting women to the exclusion of other pursuits are usually pretty unhappy, regardless of if they succeed or not (usually not) IMO the opposite is less true and to a lesser extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:39 AM
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Here's data that runs counter to this narrative. "For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines" - 2018 Online Dating Study and the relevant image I don't understand your argument against men preferring much younger women because younger women don't prefer much older men. Attraction to certain traits isn't necessarily predicated or dependent on people having those traits also being attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:01 PM
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I’m pretty unattractive, women of all attractiveness levels aren’t interested. At this point just watch ASMR girlfriend videos and wait for AI girlfriends to come out. I honestly don’t think subconsciously lowering your standards is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:44 AM
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Ah thanks! I hate to nitpick on sources, but the Quartz study isn't that great despite being one of the first Google results. The population using Facebook for dating really isn't that large, neither are the individuals representative of the population (recall the stereotype that only boomers use Facebook). By comparison, the OkCupid data had 25 million members with hundreds of millions of interactions. This recently released book featured 9 million users with over 300 million interactions. Both…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:04 PM
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This post is not totally true. The female reply rates to male senders show that black women respond the least (28%) to black males out of all groups, far less than white males (38%).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 04:57 PM
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Yeah you're justified in doubting it. However, you're never going to have a study with both a large population as well as verified body type information**.** You have to trade one for the other since if you want to verify each participant's bodyfat or BMI, your dating sample size would be restricted. Its also not politically correct for a dating site to ask participants to enter their BMI at account creation. Interesting Note: obviously the NCHS uses the medical definition of obesity while the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 12:54 PM
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I checked and I think only those that self identified as overweight are classed as overweight. All the other categories of body types are classified in the diagrams as "non-overweight"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:50 AM
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Height was self reported in feet and inches. Weight was entered as either: thin, overweight, average, or fit. 68% of men and 66% of women entered a weight, the rest left the option blank.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:30 PM
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This was one of the main findings of the book, that race was a more important consideration in dating than other physical characteristics. However, "overweight" and "non-overweight" are presented as binary options, when in reality there are degrees to which someone is overweight. That's a huge point that is missing. Obviously this is sociology so it doesn't "prove" anything, but its another data point and it is a pretty strong one, given the sample size.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:01 AM
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You're right, an important point is that messaging/ swiping initiation may not reflect true preferences, especially on dating sites where users are granted a limited number of messages. Therefore message initiation may be less representative of true preference than message response rates. The reason they didn't compare initiating message from both sexes is that straight women initiated sending messages so infrequently that they couldn't draw much statistically relevant data from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:51 AM
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Users can send messages to anyone, and can respond to any messages they received. No prior match required
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:17 PM
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I think its because they have a clear image of the group they're attracted to (white and non-overweight men), and any other demographic that doesn't fit that is more or less irrelevant and therefore roughly equal in undesirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:25 AM
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Definitely true for Tinder and Bumble. For this study though, its 43% women and 57% men. Even with this roughly equal gender ratio, men sent more than 2x the messages than women and also responded much more frequently
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:16 AM
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You're absolutely right its based on messaging/ responding, which may not always be indicative of true preference. I'll post more from the book and I'll do a better job of highlighting the nuances in the following post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:10 AM
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Yeah moderate preference for slimmer asian and black men compared to their overweight racial counterparts. Slight/ moderate is of course relative, but I think your point is that overweight female's weight preference is definitely less than that of non-overweight men. You could also argue non-overweight women have a very strong weight preference, but an even stronger racial preference which obscures it. In other words, they have a clear picture of who they pursue, and everyone else is more or les…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:57 AM
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You're not totally off base though. There's obviously the confounding factor of race, but I was just getting at the point that for non-overweight men and overweight women, they consistently pursue non-overweight partners more. Whereas for overweight men and non-overweight women, its more of a mixed bag (with the one huge exception for non-overweight women strongly preferring non-overweight white men)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:40 AM
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After reading your comment, I realized you may have interpreted the graphs differently. The y-axis actually is the race of the opposite sex being pursued, not the race of the sender/ responder. e.g. in the top graph non-overweight men have a 1.0 likelihood of messaging non-overweight white women and a 0.53 chance of messaging overweight white women. In the bottom, non-overweight women have a 1.0 likelihood of responding to non-overweight white men, and a 0.66 chance of responding to overweight w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 12:07 AM
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Eh does it? That’s the bottom right diagram, they respond about equal to black and Latino men, and both much less than white men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:52 PM
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Haha the breakdowns by race are just in the diagrams in the post. They're not the easiest to read though. The first image are men's preferences with regards to the different racial groups of women. The second image are women's preference with regards to the different racial groups of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:37 PM
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Great summary, thanks I will say the surprising thing for me are the preferences of non-overweight women and how they don't seem to have a weight preference (with the one glaring exception).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:31 PM
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You're right, on second thought these are pretty convoluted graphs I've added observations and conclusions
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:23 PM
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The first one is male messaging preferences divided into non overweight vs. overweight male preferences. The second is non overweight vs overweight female responding preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:53 PM
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The same logic doesn't work here because ability to message someone is conditional upon first matching with them (i.e. you have to match/ mutually like each other before you can message them). Thus conclusions drawn from messaging stats are from a much more selectively filtered group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 11:12 PM
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U have to better define "Are dating apps still easy for you?". Unattractive women are still swarmed with likes and messages on dating apps, but "easy" implies getting what they want - which they usually aren't because they're bombarded with inappropriate thirsty messages
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 09:39 PM
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The fundamental assumption in romance/ dating is that women are seen as a resource that men compete for. Self-improvement is thus targeted at men as a means to obtain sexual favors. Women are a sexual resource with innate value & therefore do not need to "improve" to prove their value to potential partners. This explains "honor-killings" & "slut-shaming", where women's innate un-earned sexual value is jealously guarded by her relatives. It's also corroborated by historic patterns of conquerors s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 05:28 AM
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Didn't change anything at all Before balding: Zero interest from women, ~2 tinder matches per month from bots After balding: Zero interest from women, ~2 tinder matches per month from bots
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/21 03:33 PM
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Preliminary trends indicate increasingly divergent choices, political attitudes and behaviors between the genders as societies become more egalitarian or developed. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/does-gender-equality-result-in-fewer-female-stem-grads This is a review consisting of 80,000 people: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-times-are-good-the-gender-gap-grows/ Race became less of a determining factor in political voting under Trump, while gender became a much more impo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/21 12:14 AM
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Heh I use this heuristic too to determine if a standard is cultural vs "universal". It has come under increasing challenge as of late though. "...preference for attractive faces reflects the activity of general processing mechanisms rather than a specific adaptation to mate choice" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566458/#:~:text=Human%20infants%2C%20just%20a%20few,(Experiments%201%20and%203). So there may be general aesthetic principles unrelated to human sexual fertility that guid…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/21 08:59 PM
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Society has suffered some hardships, but we've also progressed to a level of advancement and comfort that our ancestors couldn't imagine. Literally none of that ever hinged on making sure that awkward angry losers had sex women had any rights. And we will continue to advance whether or not the awkward angry losers stay sexless women have any rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 05:33 PM
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I feel sorry for the kids in these situations
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/08/20 12:29 AM
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Well just because you're choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't make that option alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 02:31 PM
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why would you ask such a stupid question? don't you know that man bad and woman good?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/20 08:25 PM
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i like how this sub has become men vs women
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/20 02:30 PM
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