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Definitely. Came across this post yesterday, which speaks to your point : https://www.reddit.com/r/adultery/comments/bp7imi/the_one_thing_she_wont_give_me/ He's not in a dead bedroom yet, but unwittingly shows how destructive it can be when the male half of the equation needs things to be perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/19 09:16 PM
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Try regularly meditating. Practice waiting to speak or act when you are about to fight for control where it isn't necessary. Take deep breaths, if need be inform them that you'll engage them on this subject later. Distract yourself from negative emotions until they pass, then fix the problem using just your brain. You already know what you need to fix, which is half the battle and definitely not true of many people. Good emotional control is key to fixing it. Work toward being able to remain dis…
/r/RedPillWomen06/05/19 06:20 PM
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There is no her shit and his shit when we're talking about the marital assets. If men don't want to part with anything they saved from their employment during the marriage, then they should look for successful career women to marry, and step up at home and cut back their professional responsibilities after children so that their wife doesn't take too much of a career hit. Then the pot of money available in divorce will be twice as big as what he would have saved on his own. However, that's not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 07:53 PM
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Yes, obviously. It would get real tiring if my husband decided to stop eating my pussy except when he really wanted to, and then it turned out that he really wanted to about once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 11:40 PM
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Guys actually do state that preference somewhat often online, they say anything from "i desire a partner who is in shape and healthy" to "no fatties." I've never understood the need to be significantly shorter than your boyfriend, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:32 AM
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Probably neither? Surely late twenties people relate best to those +/- 5 years of themselves. However, youre a guy, it's likely about youth and beauty for you with having stuff in common being secondary. And if you can get college aged girls, then why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 07:15 AM
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So you cheated on your wife because there were other women from your past who were shitty? Lol, and they say women have strong hamsters
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 06:59 AM
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Here's an analogy. I can take a job of my free will, but while I'm there, i defer to my boss. As long as my boss is decent at being a boss, I'll keep doing that. If i come to work one day and he tells me to jump off the building, i won't and take steps to protect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 06:37 AM
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Well, some people want the dynamic and others don't. If you think yours runs better when egalitarian, more power to you, and that's probably right for some people. As for dominance necessarily being abusive, it's really like you didn't read my comment. Come on, everything on the spectrum i described is abusive? Seems like you're really projecting. You have no idea whether any of us would consider your husband abusive, as you still haven't picked up much insight about us despite your frenetic pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 06:28 AM
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Are you suggesting that women should engage in sexual acts if her partner wants to and she doesn’t?? It depends on what you mean by her not wanting to. If it's a matter of just not being super into it, then she should as a general rule just try it in order to maintain the health of the relationship. If it's about some compelling reason why the act is a bad idea, then of course she shouldn't do it, and he shouldn't be trying to convince her to do it. It's certainly never all right for him to forc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 06:21 AM
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From your op: you see your partner as a separate individual with their own needs, wants, hopes that are equally as valid / important as yours This is compatible with a leader/follower dynamic. If you think of any healthy chain of command, you will note that the higher ups are supposed to consider the wants and needs of the people below them, and make sure that those are taken care of. This is even more the case in a romantic relationship, where each other's satisfaction is a primary goal and doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:55 AM
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Oh, if it's merely the quantity of options that we're interested in, might i point out that you can find plenty of women who will let you buy them coffee drinks or dinner and hang out with you in return. You're privileged to have easy access to women, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 12:07 AM
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What the sexbots thing, and reading men's comments on this sub reddit and others, have made me realize is that men actually want something fairly different from what women want. They want, essentially, a loyal dog, but in attractive human form. I gather that men don't quite consciously understand that this is what they want, so it doesn't register that there's a fundamental disconnect between what women are (people) and what they want women to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/18 11:36 PM
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Unless you've ever been a single man, I don't think you're really in a position to make a valid argument on what level of handwringing is justifiable in this case. That would be fine, if you guys weren't all over this thread making judgments on how single women should perceive their sexual and romantic options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 06:47 PM
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Isn't it, though? Yes, the cheap prostitute would definitely be a 3 or so. You're still getting sex from a woman, just not the one you'd prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:58 AM
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As i mentioned before, it will always be easier for women to get laid. It's not necessarily easier for a woman to find a decent relationship, but the discussion, as always, has sidestepped that goal and replaced it with one's ability to get some recognizable form of sexual contact from a breathing opposite gendered human. Because the "no but we want decent relationships" argument never goes anywhere, I'm pointing out that men can also get basic sexual contact. Harder for you than for us, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:52 AM
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Do you think that it's uncommon for women to struggle financially, living hand to mouth? Or do you think that women living in poverty are just too noble to use what they have? I'm guessing that you aren't aware of the supply of cheap sex because it hasn't occurred to you that you'd be looking for unattractive women who are really down on their luck, not 22 year old blondes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:37 AM
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Everyone can get sex and companionship, if they're willing to compromise enough on quality and the circumstances surrounding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:16 AM
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Far be it from me to judge. After all, some women are inhibited from hooking up due to a fear of rape, so i understand that risks which are acceptable to many people may be unacceptable to others. For every one bust, thousands of transactions go off successfully every day, so it's a tiny risk. But it may have devastating consequences. If you live somewhere prostitution isn't legal and the risk is unacceptable to you, then you can take extra precautions, such as doing a lot of research and sticki…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 05:08 AM
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Piv sex can be had for that cheap, even in the United states, if you're willing to lower your standards regarding age and appearance. She won't be anywhere close to the woman of your dreams, but she will have the correct parts, which you'll get to play with, and she'll make you come.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:49 AM
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See below. I'm talking about buying a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:39 AM
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You don't use the $100 to impress them, you hand it to them so that they take their panties off, flip you over on the massage table and put their pussy on your dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:37 AM
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Shit happens, stock portfolios perform poorly, bread winners come down with a chronic illness, companies or major clients go bankrupt. And there's always a guy coming up behind you who is still doing well and hasn't suffered a run of bad luck, and he's interested in your girlfriend. Or maybe there isn't another guy, but you're doing so poorly that her life would be easier on her own. Would you value the loyalty of a partner who stays and picks up the slack in such times, instead of bailing? You …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:31 AM
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It's a good analogy. Men can thoroughly enjoy going on a date with someone, bantering all evening and sharing a fun experience. So they shouldn't complain if they're going on a number of dates that don't lead to sex. Even if they didn't get what they want most, they still got something from the experiences. Similarly, men in the friend zone shouldn't complain. They may not get to fuck their friend, but at least they get to have fun together and share laughs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 04:09 AM
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She said "dating" not "getting laid." Y'all are responding to her argument as though she had questioned whether getting fucked is really so easy for women, but maybe try answering the tougher question instead of charging at the strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 03:51 AM
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Tbf "no matter the quantity" is stretching it, but $80-100 will work in most places in the us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 03:45 AM
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Sex will always be easier for women to get than men, but let's not pretend that it's super arduous for a man to save up eighty bucks and go to a massage parlor. Men have long since figured out that this is the easy solution, except of course for men on ppd, because those ones would be lost without something to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 03:38 AM
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If there is anything I learned from this thread is that women are really scared of the risks that come from being dependent on their partners. That's a good takeaway and quite true at least in my case, and seems for others as well. My mother was a sahm after i was born, things fell apart, they got divorced and she never financially recovered, not even close, because she was and is barely employable. I'll gladly spend my 30s, 40s and 50s working so that this doesn't happen to me. I see the trade …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/18 01:11 AM
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Met online. Went to a local bar and had a beer. I knew i wasn't interested pretty quickly and stayed an hour out of politeness. Introverts will understand this-- what happened was that he was a nervous interrupter and terrified of a moment of silence occurring. Two evenings prior i had had my first date with my now husband. We met at a hipster beer and coffee shop, then went to a tiki bar, and then he walked me to the subway. Second date involved a bar, then dinner, then shooting pool at his bui…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 05:57 AM
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Ok, I'll bite. Your answer to most arguments on this thread is, vet well enough and it won't happen. Can you describe this extremely effective vetting procedure? What does it involve?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 12:59 AM
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Because the tasks involved in caring for one's loved ones are generally menial and thankless. Cooking for one's family can be rewarding, but running the vacuum cleaner and doing the laundry usually aren't. Sometimes one's line of work can lead to professional or intellectual fulfillment that one can't find at home. People generally understand that most men would not be satisfied spending their whole lives at home, even if it's easy and comfortable. People get that a lot of men have a professiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 10:08 PM
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Well, it shouldn't be that hard to understand. Both wives and husbands can place a higher value on the income she makes from work, than on her performance of household duties. Why this is so becomes especially obvious when she earns enough to hire a cleaner and after- school sitter while still having enough left over for the family to put away more into savings and live a better lifestyle than they could have if she stayed home. There are other benefits to a wife working, but I'll ignore those f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 09:12 PM
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In the last paragraph, you're ignoring the costs inherent in being a sahm and the upsides of working (besides the insurance aspect of it). The costs and upsides of each, what they are and how heavily they're weighed, will be somewhat subjective as they depend on the woman and her line of work (edit: and also on her husband's line of work, the economy they live in, and the social protections available). Sahm isn't going to be the logical answer for everyone. The first part of your argument appear…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 08:39 PM
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How wealthy do you imagine this society to be, where most men can build up enough of a nest egg to ensure that their wife can comfortably raise the kids and live well for the rest of her life, if he dies before his time? Or where they can live comfortably if he's no longer able to work that well paying job? The answer for most families has always been that breadwinner loss means the beginning of great economic struggles and involves the sahm going back to work anyway, just at a low salary and wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 08:13 PM
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Because many men go over board in exercising their economic power over their wife. Power corrupts. And no, vetting doesn't get rid of that possibility. Because even if men were never corrupted by power, they can still die, become disabled, or simply lose their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 05:03 PM
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The majority of women have always worked, throughout history, rural or urban, not because of feminism but because of economic insecurity. The United states had a brief period of widespread prosperity post ww2 which caused more to be able to stay at home, then insecurity rose again due to a number of factors and many women went back to work. Due to feminism, they now theoretically have better job options if working, but it's not like they wouldn't have had to be laundresses and shop ladies a cent…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 03:31 PM
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Seems very odd. Your looks circa the past year or two shouldn't be making you low smv. It's got to be something else about how you're coming across. Maybe some guys can help
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:35 PM
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Yeah, it's definitely equally on young women and older men. There's just some trp cognitive dissonance where the same guys will encourage scoring with younger women, who bemoan the fact that they have/ had a hard time dating when young. Some of those girls have wayyyyy above average faces, and the one on the right has an above average body even for a slim girl. Go to a coastal city in the us to see a big spread of slim young women, and to see how slim girls can be a lot more average than the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 09:23 PM
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Lol. Yes, those girls are 7s, not 5s. Maybe it's different in eastern Europe or Brazil or something but not most places. And that's just comparing them to girls their age. In reality, they're competing with older women too and beating them handily, because older men generally hope to date 25 year olds. Welcome to the unfortunate side effect, for young men, of men's obsession with young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 07:17 PM
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That's actually you? Assuming that your body matches, you should have no problem dating slim and reasonably attractive girls. In the last photo, I'd consider you to be departing upward out of their league. Are you short? Tbh I've known good looking short guys who succeeded with women, but maybe it's different in the Netherlands. The only thing i can think of is that your profiles come across spergy...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 07:10 PM
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It depends on your social circle. If it was made up of lawyers, your wife being a high court judge would seriously impress your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 06:45 PM
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Hahaha why not? And what's the right test then
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 10:49 PM
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Can you agree that the correct test is to ask whether the husband has gotten what he expected going into the marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 10:15 PM
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Do you feel actively compelled to leave your partner if someone else strikes you as more interesting and/or sexually attractive? If so, to what extent do they have to be superior? I guess I'm not going to claim to know one way or another, because this situation just hasn't come up and it likely won't. Why? --Even if a man beat out my husband on all important categories in the way that you're describing, he'd also have to hold himself out as a relationship prospect for me, not just a fling, in or…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 09:43 PM
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Would they? My take on awalt is that women have a primal urge toward getting with the "better" man who offers them genuine commitment, and that's what awalt means. But there are also other factors in play, such as an individual woman's personal values and her strong emotional bond to her husband. Those factors will change how the urge is expressed in action aka whether she follows it or not. Also, how often do you really think it happens that a "higher value" man than the spouse comes along and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 09:10 PM
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This is exactly the problem. And my husband also values a woman's professional career, as do so many men whom I've met irl... online is where, mysteriously, this doesn't hold true. Seems like a lot of guys here want to insist that they speak for all men, and if we object to that, then we just aren't understanding reality correctly, it can't be that other men don't think like them. Wait a minute, that reminds me of something -- cough male solipsism
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:28 PM
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And your solipsism comes into play when you argue that there's an objective grade to assign here, because what you really mean is that the grading system you personally believe in is how other people's relationships should be analyzed. Think about this a minute. If a man knows everything about a woman aka the deal he's getting and chooses it with his eyes open, then obviously it's the best deal for him. The only way a man gets a bad deal is if he's lied to somehow. He wanted a Toyota and got one…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:15 PM
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Unfortunately what most don't seem to realize that all men (even the high quality ones) don't care about a female's achievements; in fact all men pretty much only care about her looks and personality. Except that this is incorrect. You and the guys in the manosphere are not all men. It always interests me that your perception of wives having careers is so different from that of the guys i know in real life. Umc men, or men who have umc aspirations, tend to care, because the wife's job can add to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 09:05 PM
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That's awesome. I met my husband when he was in his first year of law school, my mother tried to convince me to dump him but remain in touch and start dating again if he successfully graduated and became a lawyer. Didn't follow that advice. Lol brutal
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:58 PM
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Confirmation bias/ discarding or twisting evidence that doesn't fit. Binary thinking. Feeling better about themselves. Fear of being hurt by women. Echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 09:44 PM
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What do you think a radfem is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 09:25 PM
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Youth is incredibly valuable as an smv trait for women. If you see a 20 year old couple who are both visual 5s, the woman is still worth more on the market than he is. Flip that for a fifty year old couple, though. Also, men have been shown to overrate their own attractiveness. I'd venture that hetero men also aren't good at rating other men's attractiveness to women, in my experience they overrate classical features and muscles. They have a Katharine hepburn or Hilary swank problem in that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 09:23 PM
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You believe that abortions are immoral, do you also think they should be illegal altogether, as in no medical intervention allowed at all after conception, regardless of incest or rape? Do you think that life beginning at conception is an objective fact, or is it a philosophical belief? If an objective fact, please explain how this is so.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 08:49 PM
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Don't trust it if they have to remember to take a pill on time every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 08:26 PM
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I want him not to be born if the conditions for him to have a good start in life are not reunited. If so many of you conservative men weren't pro life, maybe we could take this argument more seriously. Women who don't abort, knowing they have a bad setup to raise the kid, often are acting according to beliefs that were instilled in them by the same people who don't want taxpayers to pay for the kid. This inconsistency isn't coming from the left.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 08:25 PM
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I believe in a lot of red pill tenets, ones that you probably already understand. I do think that red pillers generally do not understand how a woman's thought process works, about relationships especially but also for other things. They don't get how it is that we think similarly enough to them that we can carry on conversations, work together, and share points of view, but also differently enough to account for the things we do that perplex them. (And they call us solipsistic... but anyway.) S…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 02:49 AM
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The idea was floating around out there when I was growing up, it seems to have disappeared in the last ten years or so. Both men and women were supposed to choose based on personal qualities, and sort of learn to overcome any innate sexual distaste for the person. I had a friend who dated a brilliant, but physically unappealing, guy for several months before she realized that she really shouldn't be with someone if making out with him was gross, no matter how much she enjoyed his intellect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 01:45 AM
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Sexual preferences didn't evolve according to such specific criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 12:13 AM
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You may have a point about wives, but I wouldn't laud the prostitute for having a better personality until she's spent five years living with you. Hell, just try a one-week trip with her and see how well it's going by the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 11:44 PM
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Can you explain why having a career is incompatible with captain/fo, aside from the metaphor? My husband and I do it pretty well.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 11:11 PM
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I bet you whine about evil women marrying men who they're not sexually attracted to. Maybe a foreign concept to you, but there are a few men who have more to offer than a wallet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 11:09 PM
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feminists conflating equality of rights with equality of outcomes Agreed that this is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:25 AM
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"You should always give any guy a chance if he's interested." - my dad After becoming familiar with TRP, I have realized that my dad shares a lot of its views, from more of a tradcon perspective. He's mellowed out now though. Why bad advice? If followed, it meant that I was supposed to disregard my own attraction, which reds and blues alike can agree is not the basis for a great relationship. It also meant that I may have wasted precious youth on such relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 04:03 AM
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Sure. And in order to get those rights, women rejected the old feminine model as being incompatible with what they wanted. I think that it might not be impossible to bring back some traditional femininity, likely in a sexual and romantic context, while keeping our civic and political participation and retaining the ability to accomplish things and move upward. I like the captain/fo model, personally, and think it works. However, feminists and red pillers/tradcons all seem to think that model can…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 03:29 AM
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People of both sexes were accustomed to oppression and powerlessness throughout most of history. Insofar as they wanted to break away from that, most people found that socioeconomic class was the heaviest chain binding them, or even worse, actual legal ownership over them by the upper classes. When they tried to improve their situations, this was usually the first thing they attacked. After all, a male serf didn't have much more status and power than a female one. The success of the masses in fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 02:46 AM
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Only real answer. If she can get rich and famous for being hot, then she is back in the game. Actress or model is the best bet. Rich and famous for something else, in addition to being hot, may also work. Lol at the answers going "she can learn how to cook and clean"... as though pro football players don't care about the status of the women they date
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/18 01:12 AM
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Sure, they value it and women who display it, but that valuation doesn't lead them to treat women in the way that women want. Instead, men see the traditionally feminine role as going hand in hand with the removal of women's systemic and interpersonal power. A tradcon or red piller may coddle and protect traditional women (ideally at least), but he will also advocate for their subordination and dependence. This is why OP's post resonates. Women by and large don't want to live the life of a value…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:54 PM
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Lol, I missed reading his response before it was deleted and can only imagine what it was, but I'm sure he carefully considered my argument and wrote something thoughtful that genuinely addressed it while staying as objective as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 11:23 PM
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Frankly, i don't see how this is possible, unless you only admire the Einsteins, Beethovens, and Teslas of this world. It sounds from your comment, though, that a variety of men receive your admiration. With respect to valued non physical traits, men have their female equivalents at every level all the way until just short of the top. For example, there are few female geniuses, but there are enough highly intelligent women that you should be able to stumble across some without too much difficult…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 06:24 AM
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It's toxic, but i don't think it's toxic femininity. I'd say toxic femininity and masculinity both involve presenting or expressing oneself in a certain way to the world, with that expression being related to one's performance of gender, and it being harmful of course. People's expectations help determine how one chooses to express oneself. Using a guy for free meals isn't self expression. I suppose that using a guy for free meals in order to present oneself as succeeding at being sexy or emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 04:33 AM
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Yeah, believing in oppression that doesn't exist does tend to make one waste time trying to fix it, when energy would be better spent on taking advantage of real life opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 03:10 AM
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Well, assuming they are inferior today, the reason behind it matters for practical purposes. If we put a high value on individuals fulfilling their potential, which we generally do in western society, then we'll treat young girls in one way if we believe they may have great potential and in another way if we believe they don't. Parenting, education, and entertainment will all be affected. Also, given that it really takes a lot to completely extinguish potential that someone is born with, we will…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 02:53 AM
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It makes women aware of their own shortcomings and false beliefs in a way that isn't really available elsewhere. This allows women to work toward controlling relationship-destroying tendencies and making decisions based on reality. Given awalt, it's not likely that you could find a unicorn who didn't have the same basic shortcomings, and depending on where you live, you may find it impossible to meet women who don't exist in a third wave feminist echo chamber in their non-internet lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 02:18 AM
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Don't forget the shit advice dispensed there. Though i guess the fact that they give women advice that is slanted toward the male imperative might actually be a good reason for men to steer their girlfriends there. Rpw may even be able to convince her to give up on getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 02:06 AM
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That's true, and meanwhile, many women do value security as much as men value sex. I think that's changing, though, particularly for women who don't plan to have kids. I can guarantee my financial future fairly well, so I'm not going to be in a mediocre relationship out of fear. From what i understand, red pill men would actually prefer us to place a high value on security, higher than our valuation of good sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 01:59 AM
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Dependability. I am committed to being in his corner even when he is creating more problems in my life than he is taking away (i think that's a succinct way of defining how loyalty gets tested), and even when that's his fault and not merely caused by external factors. Willingness to do whatever it is that he needs, even if it goes way outside my comfort zone. Honesty. This seems like more a lack of something than an item in itself, but I'll include it because i know that my husband really values…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 01:39 AM
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Well, it's not necessarily that men don't need or want security. It's more that they think they can't get it, and they don't want to make any decisions based on a promise of security that they think won't materialize. I think that most men would put some value to a partner's 100% reliable guarantee of his security, if they happened to come across such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 01:04 AM
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Men don't want poor and downtrodden women for relationships either. We just had a thread uncovering this last week. When it applies to them, men seem able to understand the distinction between wanting a partner who can provide the necessaries for herself vs one who can help provide necessaries for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:58 AM
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It seems more like couples trade smv traits separately from rmv ones, so her guy's smv would be a reflection of her smv, not her rmv. Unless you think that looks/smv is a real bonus that both men and women can bring to the table. If that's true, then we'd have to say that a hot Instagram thot probably pulls her weight in a relationship with an unattractive dude, even if he does most of the rmv work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:45 AM
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For sure. I still remember the mgtow posts right after that reddit users wife killed their children, they were making blanket generalizations all over the place about how "women" are so fucked that "they" will just kill their own children now. Of course, there was no push back on judging the entire sex by her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/18 12:30 AM
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There's a difference between having hypergamous thoughts and feelings and acting on them. Women are generally going to have a very hard time being attracted to someone whom they perceive as their inferior in whatever way matters to them. They are going to want to fuck hot men, and men hotter than their husband. However, if they stay with the husband and refrain from cheating, then the marriage can still be successful. This is about the equivalent of men controlling their powerful urge to go out …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:46 PM
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My parents attempted to live according to that model. My mother is traditional, Catholic, and an immigrant. She believes in gender roles and the importance of motherhood. Their marriage was one of the worst ones I have ever seen or heard of, and she was emotionally abusive to my dad. As OP discussed, he ended up working his butt off to provide for her and me. She was a great housekeeper and cook and took parenting very seriously, but the traditional model didn't generate any respect or devotion …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:23 PM
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With the exception of the part about contraceptives, and minus the edge, i agree with you. And i do not understand why any men long for the old days of completely providing for a wife, plus numerous kids. It must be one of those things that sounds great when you only picture the Kodak moments and not the day to day, like climbing mount Everest or something. It probably also relies on the amusing fantasy that wives in the old days actually wanted to fuck their husbands, and that women for some re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 02:15 AM
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Not so true in the modern age, despite the "winks" and such on dating sites
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 01:53 AM
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Women work less. Pay less in... Collect their husband's benefits. Maybe you'd like to take a moment to thank second wave feminism for making work outside the home a palatable option for middle class women and getting us away from the tradcon model. Want to push for better policy on child care and parental leave so that we can get more women working today, close the gap? How about encouraging all women to find fulfillment in jobs and careers so that they don't depend on their husbands for retirem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 12:47 AM
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This paper is based on new Zealand data. There's a mention of an American study in the lit review, but no numbers. Also, the only way you get social security benefits in your old age is by having paid into the system when you were young, or your spouse having paid into it (you get 50%). It guarantees your own retirement and that of your spouse, if your arrangement was that she take care of home and children primarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 11:26 PM
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Likely due to maternal mortality rates, women actually had lower life expectancies than men throughout recorded history, until 19th century. This was particularly true when measured at late adolescence, after childhood but before child bearing years. For all that terps go on about women's comfy lives in olden times, they died in droves by having children, faring worse than men on average. Link here
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 10:56 PM
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Should demand a sandwich and a bj too, especially if she starts crying
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:24 PM
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But they do give off that vibe, a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:20 PM
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I continually try to form friendships with women but it doesn’t take long before they figure out I’m “different” and that is the absolute worst thing to be as a woman, to lack social acuity. It’s so stressful to me to hang out with women and worry about every damn thing I say or wearing the right facial expression. This really hits home. From my observations, women are always socially signaling through speech and expression, in incredibly small and subtle ways. That is the real conversation. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:56 PM
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Were they by any chance bitching about someone in the conversation that they were really keen on? Some of us may love ideas but a good bitchfest about someone we hate will take precedence sometimes when feelings are running high
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:31 PM
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not addressing health concerns (physical & mental) Oh, yes. For the love of God, why not go to the doctor when you break your nose? Why not get sti tested? Why not get a vasectomy if you hate condoms and children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:20 PM
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Does this involve calm and rational communication, or yelling and calling her a bitch whenever one feels like it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:08 PM
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Woops, partial credit only for my answer. That changes it somewhat, as short term thinking is a more common human failing than obsession with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:01 PM
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And what if we're aware of our propensity there and correct for it, and do that which is not in our best interest? Essentially, the same thing a man has to do to be "moral"? The husbands of the women who do that are not likely to be bitching in the manosphere. Your data are skewed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:59 PM
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I wonder if the response will be based on the perceived difficulties for different men of either maintaining solid frame, or else maintaining good income flow. Will anyone choose the option that is more difficult for them, because either they view developing the skill as more valuable, or they think that the woman/relationship would be inherently better? Putting aside the differences in what type of sex is offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:18 AM
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A happy medium is what we all should shoot for. Of course it's a little much to go on about relationships in your initial messages to a girl, and I don't recommend that. What worked on me was a brief message that pointed out common interests, or interests I mentioned that he thought were cool. Just a line about an artist and a cool coffee shop works to spark interest and make me think that even if we don't end up in an actual relationship, that the time we do spend together will be enjoyable and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 03:24 AM
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Interesting. I'd also like to see a study involving people who aren't in a relationship with each other. Chad putting in the effort to be good in bed, and establishing an emotional dynamic, likely way beats out Chad who doesn't try, doesn't go down, and does the minimum of emotional push-pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 03:13 AM
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But you're not actually basing that assertion on anything...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 12:08 AM
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Women aren't solely driven by self interest and monetary gain. Those elements are present, but we also have an urge to make the morally good decision, ymmv according to the individual of course. Insofar as morality is the same as social expectations, women tend to be more driven to adhere to it than men are. Separating the two things, there's still a desire (ymmv, individual, e.t.c) to be good when no one is watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:59 PM
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You'd be surprised how dull your Chad can be in and out of bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:53 PM
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The problem with this question is that it's hard to analyze your attractivenesslevel in the first place without referring to how often you're hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:40 PM
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Does this all happen on a supposedly platonic level, or have you gone out/ asked them on a date? At this point, I don't see any harm in asking him out -- once. Ball is in his court after that. If he puts you off and doesn't make sure to reschedule, or he doesn't ask you on a second date, you have your answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:31 PM
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6'3 ripped square jawed white guys A lot of us know that that guy is likely to just pump and dump. And even more of us figure it out once it's happened a few times. Make it clear that you're interested in more than a ons or fuck buddy, and you'll gather more interest from women in your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 11:03 PM
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Men already get "women as people". Most of them have that downpat. In fact that's most TRPers' main problem - they think men and women are exactly alike in all respects except for their reproductive tracts. Pedestalizing women is not seeing them as people, and it's also not seeing them as identical to men. We're neither angels nor demons, but men attracted to trp routinely categorize us as only one or the other, picking sides depending on how well they've digested the pill. They have set up a mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 09:53 PM
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Yeah. How did op not know that this would be ppd's rebuttal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 08:57 PM
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They want to hurt your feelings. Tell you what, post a photo there of an objectively hot girl and pass it off as yourself. They'll tear "you" to shreds. But it won't reflect their true standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:09 AM
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Is that... you? Are you in Los Angeles? That's an especially superficial social and dating scene for sure, and way too many pretty women to compete with. You'd really have better luck outside of socal as your "before," in attracting average guys for a relationship. If you aren't looking at average guys, and want hot guys, then they're not going to do anything extra to help you be hot, as they could be dating a hot girl who doesn't require them to help with beauty expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:02 AM
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I mean that he shouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone who's not loyal. If my actions don't bother him, something is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:55 AM
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Because I've seen photos before of incels who called themselves ugly, even on ppd, and often they were average or even a little better.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:05 PM
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Break up without prospects. Everything else aside, a guy who was willing to become my "prospect" while I'm with someone else, likely has ideas about loyalty that make him a bad partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:03 PM
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Wouldn't they have their next one lined up anyway? Seems like there isn't much to lose by making 100% sure that they're going to have another boyfriend immediately. And it would be effortless, because dating is so easy for women. Hmm, I wonder if women ever choose to refrain from pursuing a new prospect because they don't want to cheat or come close to it, even though they're not happy with their current partner. Nah, it's always better to look for an explanation that doesn't involve women behav…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:00 PM
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Read my original post. Of course, genuine ugliness is a major handicap. Incels who are really ugly are going to have a hard time no matter what they do. But many of them are average, not ugly. As i originally said, average guys still have a hard time competing with hot guys, who are preferred, but they have a looks baseline of "not repulsive" that enables them to attract women by adding other traits. That is pretty much what your study is saying, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:59 PM
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Well, assuming that progressives stay at about where they are now, it suggests that the country will become polarized over this particular issue, too. More interestingly, it suggests that people who are less wedded to "believe all women" dogma are starting to view claims of sexual assault with more skepticism than they did last year. Of course, it takes more to shift progressives, who are surrounded by people and news sources that are pro metoo. But will a skeptical approach start to become more…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 11:42 PM
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You don't have to be conservative to think that men being sexually forward and making sexual moves isn't inherently harmful to women, that making an inappropriate comment here and a glance there in the workplace doesn't warrant losing one's career, and that unenthusiastic consent is still consent. And that if someone does believe in all the above, then their perspective is twisted such that their own metoo story should be taken with a grain of salt. Lifelong progressive here. Voted for Bernie. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 09:32 PM
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Thank you for getting in here with some reality. I'd say that given the very unusual circumstances in this case, which gave the witness far more incentive to lie than the average, and which led to the testimony being given after a much longer amount of time than normal, i as a juror would have wanted more corroboration to convict him -- and maybe even to say that he hadn't met his burden in the hiring process. But i keep seeing this idea thrown about that testimony can't have sufficient probativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 09:15 PM
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Your story is like the entire movement personified in a single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:59 PM
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I don't need to empathize with incels in order to know that they're misinterpreting their data (or anecdata, in the case of their and their friends experiences). Here's how it works: men who are average in looks, money and status have a much harder time dating than men who excel in those categories, everything else being equal. But it doesn't have to be and often isn't equal, because men are fortunate enough to be able to raise their smvs with frame and game. This is something that can be observ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:24 PM
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Every piece of advice that a man gives a woman about being a woman, particularly in the pill world, is nothing more than a reference to something he personally would like to happen -- which may not even have much to do with what he's overtly advocating for. And even if they genuinely wanted to give advice to women about what's best for women, which they don't, they're just not capable of parsing out such advice from their inherent self interest. I get it, women are the same when it comes to advi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 07:40 PM
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Neither has much insight into each other's thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:14 PM
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You don't need to know German. All of Europe knows English. Thanks. Future prospects just expanded
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:12 PM
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Sounds awesome. Do you speak German, and did you land a job there before you moved?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:17 PM
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Yes, our realities can look pretty different from one another. But if you know that someone inhabits a different "reality context" and you are trying to understand why they are acting in a certain way toward you, you're not going to get very far unless you can somehow also empathize with them. Incels typically cannot do this with the world of women they'd like to date. So people with better understandings tell them that they're wrong about, say, looks being all important to those women -- but in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 02:36 PM
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Major caveat is that I'm not a very casual sexy individual, so I'm guessing a little. But i imagine that I'd try to schedule a repeat with the 9 before seeing the 7 for the first time, assuming that 9 had performed decently in bed, and 7 was still just offering a ons. Then I'd hit up other 8s and 9s who were available. If they just weren't around, I'd then go for the 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:42 AM
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I wouldn't want a platonic friendship plus sex. What i said about men was in response to your criticism of women not wanting to be friends, but i didn't mean that this setup is my ideal. Last time i was single, i wanted to find someone with whom i could have explosive sex. For me, this has to go hand in hand with emotional tension, dominant/ submissive dynamics, tenderness and caring in kind of a big brother way. In order for those things to be in place, the guy has to act in such a way that i b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:30 AM
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Well, there are a million definitions of hypergamy, but I'd say that women are -- if you're using the term to mean that they want the best guy available to them, as measured by his looks, frame and game in relation to other men. I'll depart from red pill principles and acknowledge that women also want an emotional connection with this guy, so they're seeking "hypergamy plus." However, you could also say that the existence of an emotional connection is just the same thing as him being "available …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 02:09 AM
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Knew it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 01:40 AM
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Lol. I've rarely heard of a guy who was capable of being "friends" with someone he's casually fucking. My friends are people who will hang with me in public just to have fun, help me solve problems and ask me for advice about theirs, comfort me if someone dies, and catch up over the phone when I'm not around. This is because we like each other, not because they're putting coins in the pussy meter. What kind of friendship has a casual sex guy ever offered a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 01:33 AM
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Truth. Male 7s are attractive and bangable. But if she can get sex from a hotter guy than you, then you have to differentiate yourself somehow. I've got two guys in my inbox, both are saying that they'd like me to come over later so that they can try and set the world record for fucking and never talking to me again, but one is a 7 and the other one is a 9. Assuming that I'm into the activity... which one will i pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 01:26 AM
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Lol at "just leave the country where you were likely born and grew up and where all your prospects exist, go to a country where you know no one, don't fit in and possibly don't speak the language, that's a reasonable solution"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:29 AM
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Maybe you'd define it off your standing relative to other men. Could be both how successful they are with women compared to you, and how they are on looks, frame and game compared to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:25 AM
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I'd say this is about right. A lot harder for a marriage to be successful if ending in divorce, than for a week vacation fling to be "successful." I'd just amend a little to say that the test is whether you end up better off than you would have been without the specific relationship, rather than whether you fulfilled your starting goals. Sometimes, the objective going into the relationship won't be fulfilled, but what actually happened was as good or better. This is pretty much never going to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 11:38 PM
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100%, with my husband, hence the "doesn't care". Sat him down after we'd had a few dates and told him about everything that might be a deal breaker. He slept around himself when he was young, and valued the honesty. Sorry to disappoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:00 PM
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The "where are all the good men" sub reddit would like a word with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:57 PM
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There was a period of time before i got married, but after i realized that things would be harder if i had to start dating again. I felt some anxiety during that time about the wall. I have observed on rpw that this is typical, and especially affects women who haven't met anyone yet. Enough talk about the wall and it even scares women who have plenty of time until it comes. Generally, being happily married is the antidote. Imo women who are single and dating should stay far away from the manosph…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:39 PM
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I'm glad they happened. They closed off the option of becoming serious with someone who holds terp beliefs, and forced me to find a guy who doesn't care about my slutty past.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:16 PM
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Take a 55 year old couple and have them divorce. Which one can get a new relationship and marriage with a more attractive partner than the divorced spouse? Which one will struggle to find a relationship, and likely never remarry?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:03 PM
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Women will dry up at your insecurities. You do want someone who cares enough to support and help you through difficult times, and who has enough foresight, self control and ability to self soothe that she won't be climbing the walls at being forced into the mother role. But you must recognize that with the best of intentions she won't be genuinely turned on by you during those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 06:12 AM
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Young women can do anything and succeed in the smp. Why are men so obsessed with youth, why do women hit the wall so fast while men have decades? It's not faiiirrrr
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 05:50 AM
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Just from observation, women are punished by other women for not displaying in group bias, while men are not (as much). If i am with a group of women and disparage another woman, even one we don't know, even for good reasons, i had better be prepared for possibly getting frozen out of the group. And once I'm frozen out of the group, no one will consider my opinion anyway. If I'm pushing for a tangible result that i care about and can actually accomplish, i may risk it. But if I'm sitting there d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:20 AM
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The "you violated those poor women!!!" reaction seems like a mirror image of the line about "pair bonding!" which men trot out to justify not wanting to date reformed sluts. Both are based on something, but the narratives have been embellished to serve certain purposes. You don't need logical reasons to turn down the opportunity to make a deeply emotional connection with someone. Feeling disgust is an excellent reason in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:40 AM
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this was a one-off event at an immature age compounded with peer pressure that hasn't repeated since. Same as some men prefer not to marry party sluts after they magically decide to "settle down", which, unlike the previous example, would indicate a longstanding pattern of behavior that could have a higher likelihood of continuing into the future. Apples and oranges, don't you think? The party slut example should actually be a woman who had one drunken ons. That would be more equivalent to the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 01:25 AM
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Well, to me, life with husband is better than life without. What other women want doesn't concern me. I am not interested in doing some radical overhaul of what i truly want out of life, regardless of where those wants came from. I'm also not interested in convincing myself that i don't care about the various other things i want that aren't fully within my control. I want the return on that 300k. If you invested your one and only nest egg in something that decided not to pay you when it was perf…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 10:31 PM
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In answer to your question. Because my spending my youth with my husband would have come with a tremendous opportunity cost, that of having found someone else who would have actually stuck by me past my attractive years and until the promised "death do us part." That's the only realistic way of looking at it for a woman. Not that i wouldn't try to make the best of it at that point, but that best is likely to be a lot worse than it could have been had my husband not made that false promise. Edit:…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 09:58 PM
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I think you are conflating two things, op. Is this rape? Let's say, no. Was it shitty, violative, inconsiderate, and thus a deal breaker, as described? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 10:49 PM
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I'd say that's 100% true on dating sites, but not as true in real life. I can't speak to social media as i don't really use it. Ime guys in the actual world will tend to hit on hot girls more than ones who aren't hot. Guys who go on about women's inflated sense of our options, based on getting told we're hot by millions of guys on tinder, are succumbing to male solipsism. We all know that those guys are telling every woman under 70 that she's hot. Every woman i can think of who might not get mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 10:31 PM
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No kidding. I'm around a lot of women in their mid 20s. I have an easier time believing that the woman in the story shaved at least ten years off her age, and nyt bought it, than that she's actually 24. I'm also wondering if there's a drugs component that they didn't write about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 09:55 PM
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Nyc dating stories are always so soulless and depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 09:38 PM
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Ok. Yeah, that's a pretty good theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 09:36 PM
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Women are stigmatized and seen as repulsive and worthless when using their bodies to support themselves,” she said. “I was in a tough place financially, and I am O.K. with my decisions. Women have sex with vile men all the time so why shouldn’t we be paid for it if we choose? I don’t deserve to be shamed for it, or scammed because of it I think that you are reading something into this quote that isn't necessarily there. She didn't say anything about what her future partners should or shouldn't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 03:46 PM
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It's not exactly that the 40 to 80% aren't desired sexually by women. It's just that when the game is casual sex, the 40 to 80% are generally offering the exact same thing as the top 20%, who are even more desirable. They have to differentiate themselves. Most do it by offering commitment but i think that a 70th percentile guy could do well in the casual sex world by offering a more enjoyable fwb experience than Mr. 90th Percentile seems likely to give. As a woman who's dated online, I've gotten…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 02:44 PM
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A lot of male sexual attention doesn't involve unwanted touching, and that attention is pretty flattering, even when it comes from someone you're not attracted to, and even when somewhat creepy in nature. At least for me. It's not a net negative until i fear that the guy is actually going to harm me because he finds me attractive, which is rare. The unwanted touching always seemed to me more of a power grab than an expression of honest attraction, so i view it as not very flattering in addition …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:47 PM
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You never studied property law? Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:11 PM
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Unfortunately, being with one's life partner doesn't mean that you both exist in a vacuum relative to the world outside. Both remain aware of what they can get out there, and what their partner can get out there, and this affects how they treat each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:09 PM
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Exactly. There's not much of an smp imbalance if you look at people throughout their entire adult lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 01:02 PM
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Well, the point is that he was able to raise his smv significantly by being funny and successful. I know he's a celebrity, but I'd say that something similar is within reach for other men, especially if they're better looking than Carell. Raising one's smv through being funny and successful is not really on the table for women his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:48 PM
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This is one point on which i have to agree with trp. The corollary being that there is no actual smp imbalance. Men and women, on the whole, have things about equal. Hell, men may even have it slightly better. If men really hit the wall in the same way that women do, women wouldn't have to freak out about dating past 30, as long as they weren't rushing to have kids. Older men and women would be strictly limited to others in their cohort. You wouldn't have what amounts to an oversupply of older w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:26 PM
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Well, women ten to fifteen years younger are kind of forced to date them if they want serious relationships. Men our age tend to be chasing even younger women. If we're just looking for something casual, though, the 33yo guy is still king.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:14 PM
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a 6 can still date an 8, due to the current imbalance of power in the SMP. At least for young men/women That's the flip side of women losing attractiveness much sooner and faster than men do... there are simply fewer female 6's to go around, because they keep graduating to being 3's and 4's. So competition is fierce among men. I mean, if older men were actually attracted to women their age, the YOUNG people's smp wouldn't look so unbalanced. Anyway, it's only "easy" to be a 6 for a brief period …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:15 PM
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Tbh it's not really a good proxy, though. A study even came out a few years ago showing that men routinely confuse women's friendly behavior for flirtation, and their flirtatious behavior for friendliness. Actually having sex, or at least making out, is probably the only way to be sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 10:01 PM
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There is no longer any social contract so I have no obligation to follow any of societies ridiculous rules anymore. Believing and acting on this is a good way to make sure that people definitely stop feeling ethical obligations toward you, personally. Also, the tragedy of the commons involves a set of relationships between individuals who wish to use the commons, not a relationship between an individual and the resource itself. It's not applicable here, because you have essentially no relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:38 PM
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I'm glad. And maybe eventually you'll grasp my point, which is that you're not entitled to shit that you won't provide for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 09:11 PM
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Lol, i knew you would do this. But read the article before you start jizzing all over the place. They separate out the money factor and say it isn't the driver. This is Harvard's interpretation of the data, not mine. Sorry, but just as a husband traditionally expects his wife to remain reasonably fit, fuck him regularly, keep the house clean, and make meals, a wife traditionally expects her husband to have a job. I've repeated this ad nauseum to you, but you seem to think that "having a job" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:43 PM
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Is this helpful to you? I have now looked. Have you? To summarize the link, money has not been found to be connected with an increased risk of divorce. Lack of male breadwinning is, however, I think we've established in this thread that each sex has a role to play in marriage that the other partner essentially "hired" them for. Working a job is that role for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:11 PM
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"You're very special to me. I haven't met anyone like you before. I think you're amazing." I was at a college party at 19 when i heard this shit from an older guy whom i had met a few seconds earlier. As i looked into his eyes, i clocked for the first time that men would brazenly lie about absolutely anything in order to get into my pants. Not that i wasn't taken in after that by other guys, because i was. There was a long term fwb i had when i was 21 and 22 or so who told me several times that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 05:29 AM
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Fortunately most of us women on this thread do not belong to religions or live in places that will permit our husbands to engage in actual polygamy and take a second wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:23 AM
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"He doesn't make enough money" is not a good reason to fall out of love. And that's why most women leave. I have not seen any evidence for this proposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:03 AM
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is she the best woman at that point in get life? This iis the problem with early marriage. Many if not most people make mistakes in their late teens and early twenties relationships out of lack of interpersonal experience and general immaturity. It's not easy to recover a marriage from silly rude or down right shitty behavior at the beginning. This is in addition to the other problems that you describe, such as being too immature to know what she wants and developing a feeling of having missed o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 04:00 AM
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This warrants a whole post to itself. Unfortunately, a lot of men view sexual domination as a way to do mean shit to women, period. Tell them you like it gentle and loving and they'll look at you like you're speaking a foreign language. After care? What's that and why would i bother? The influx of enthusiastic doms from trp is not going to help, i imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 02:01 AM
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If I'm feeling attractive and on my game, I'll enjoy it, even if i know that they're about the money. If i don't find myself very attractive at the moment, i definitely don't want them condescending to give me their attentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:27 AM
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Lol. As i thought. If a man is doing it, there's probably a good reason. If a woman's doing it, there almost certainly isn't a good reason. His bad behavior is her fault. Her bad behavior is her fault. I can see why relationships would be frightening, if every negative outcome is completely down to factors outside your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:08 AM
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Also unfalsifiable. Lost the wife goggles? Well, she must have done something to deserve that. He's being an ass? Down to her bad behavior somewhere back along the way. You would have been perfectly content and in love with the woman you describe... until you improved and brought more to the table. Then, she would have had to keep up or get left (or cheated on). It's easy to be blinded about the depth of male loyalty when male fickleness doesn't and won't impact your future in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 01:04 AM
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Yeah, generally in this situation the man has become emotionally distant and unloving. Hence his behavior. However, it's not uncommon and I'd urge you to read dead bedrooms for examples where women initiate sexual activity to get shot down and find their men emotionally checked out too. So... ok for her to cheat?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:40 AM
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That when you found your "true" love they'd just like you for who you are, not how confident you are or how much money you had or how chisseled you are. I'm trying to convey that men don't love in this way either. Both sexes hire a partner to perform a job, as it were. Why is it understandable for you when a man gets pissed that his wife has slacked off, but not when a woman is upset that her husband isn't performing as promised? I mean, from that quote, it seems that you expected a woman to lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:36 AM
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What if she gives him the bjs and surprise, it doesn't magically turn him into a loving and invested partner? In this hypo, can she now cheat? You underestimate some guys, or overestimate them i should say.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:21 AM
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Let's say that he works forty hours a week and vegs out with video games every night when he gets home, and on weekends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:14 AM
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Your argument is that men and women love differently, is that right? From what I'm reading i gather that you think men always have some sort of residual love for their wives regardless of aging or dead bedroom or god knows what else. You could stand to read a bunch of posts, written from their perspective, on what they really think of wives who aren't attractive and don't fuck them with the proper ardor. It's very hard for them to maintain love in that situation. If they do start getting attenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:06 AM
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Most women initiate divorce because of money. Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:48 PM
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What part of them would be inaccurate? For example, one on trp (maybe asktrp) was by a 30yo guy with a girlfriend the same age. She had been with him through some really tough times for him, for several years, but her smv was declining and he was finally becoming successful. He didn't want her anymore but felt guilty and posted for advice. Another was on askmrp, guy posted several times about his situation. He met and married his wife when they were very young and she was stunning, now in their …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 09:36 PM
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I believe that in most cases if a man is cheating it's because his wife refuses to be sexually available to him. That's convenient. You should go on the adultery and dead bedrooms subs and read the women's postings. There is an OVERWHELMING number of women saying that their husbands have lost sexual interest in them and are outright denying them sex most of the time. Their complaints look very similar to the stereotypical male complaint that you just referenced. ... Ok for them to cheat? There a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:40 PM
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I think i might be the only top level comment from a straight woman, as you requested. I'm really hoping that terps are right about the wife goggles. My husband has zero interest in women over forty or so now, in his mid thirties. Will that change as we keep aging? Hope so but not sure. I've read posts on trp itself, written by men who find themselves falling out of love with their partner as her value starts declining fast and his stays the same or even improves. (Note: most of the commenters g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 08:02 PM
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So, expect men to refrain from cheating not because of an internal moral code, but because they're afraid of losing their best option? Hmm... sounds like a familiar complaint...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:44 PM
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What's supposed to happen is that men fall in love with the young, beautiful versions of their wives, and having seen that side of her allows them to still love her when she's old or sick and doesn't have those traits any more. This involves restraining themselves from succumbing to their desire to go fuck hot young women while the wife is, say, in the hospital. Wives are supposed to fall in love with the confident, alpha versions of their husbands, and to hold onto those feelings even when he s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 07:18 PM
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Uh huh. You should spend some time reading the various relationship sub reddits. Fresh stories every day from the wife's perspective, as she hits a point of being completely fed up and wanting a divorce. Usually involves years of arguing, total withdrawal by the husband, cheating by the husband, husband deciding to stop working, husband aggressively yelling at her and the kids, and more. I'm fairly certain that the husband has his own side of the story. But it's a given that the spouse telling t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:59 PM
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Do you think that a husband coming home and snuggling with his wife, after passionately fucking a beautiful young woman, is somehow different or better than a wife coming home and snuggling with her husband, after passionately fucking an attractive Chad? The wife may well value her husband for the comfort and intimacy that he provides, even though her passion is elsewhere. Why is that different to you than when the genders are swapped?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 05:45 PM
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That depends on what he is not getting from his wife, and what he is getting from the affair partner. Men fall in love mostly based on physical attraction. This is supposed to carry them through the very long period when their wife is no longer attractive, and never will be attractive again. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. If they're having an affair while missing and wanting that fantasy limerence with a hot woman, and they're bored and dissatisfied with their wife, then their affair p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/18 04:09 PM
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Ok. Well, i agree that the calling out of men for being sexual and flirtatious has gone way too far. If that's your main point, that's fine. I'm sure you understand that there's still a line in terms of flirting with a stranger, even for Chad, that comes well before reaching activities that she would want in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 10:49 PM
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Yes, sexually submissive women want to sexually submit to men they find attractive, and they'll do it if the context is right. I don't think I'm understanding your point, and your op has now been removed by mods. How would this knowledge change the way that men act on a day to day basis? Would they act differently toward all women, or just potential sex partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:38 PM
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Maybe i wasn't clear about the last point i made. Ill try again. 50 shades is very mainstream. However, it isn't the brutal stuff you described in your post. It involves fairly light play and a whole lot of tenderness and romance. It's frustrating that men have completely ignored that aspect of it and think that sexual submission means "i want you to yell at me and tell me I'm worthless while choking me." Anyway, that's neither here nor there as i agree that women tend to be sexually submissive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 09:16 PM
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Lol op. This theory isn't without its merits but it relies on convincing men that they don't mind if their wives cheat on them. Good luck with that reprogramming. Also, you're going to need to reprogram women to be attracted to unattractive guys. Congrats on ruffling lots of feathers, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 08:58 PM
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Obviously that's true. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has said it isn't. However, both sides of the aisle agree that men (but not women) can be very attractive due to frame, game and charisma, as long as they meet the looks baseline. I've seen trp posts from well respected members, saying as much. Of course, great looks can also make up for a lack of frame, game and charisma. It's not like women are particularly invested in coming off less looks obsessed than we really are. We …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 08:22 PM
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There are a ton of sexually submissive men who get off on the idea of having a beautiful woman dominate them, from simple bossing them around in bed all the way to parading them around naked and beating them in public or putting them in a diaper and spanking them. Many of these submissive men run shit in their everyday lives. I doubt that you would really choose to ignore what that tells you about who they are, and instead define them by what they want in the bedroom. If you do ignore everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 07:50 PM
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Learn to read. Based on ops presentation of the facts it was always clear that they are likely to have a credible rape claim in this day and age. That was my initial thought and that's what i said. Would it be less ethical for them to attach the word rape to the facts, than just to put the same facts out there? Ehh people will make their conclusions either way Would it be ethical for them to make up facts? You know, i usually take a hard line on that, but considering that op lied, I'm having tro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 11:33 PM
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I'm glad, but i doubt that you actually disagree with anything i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 05:14 PM
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Ugh, but the "free" dinner comes with having to listen to him talk about himself the whole time. No meal is worth that, it's like getting an incredibly cooked steak but only on the condition that you smear ketchup, mayonnaise and velveeta cheese on every bite you take. And then you have to sleep with him? Unfortunately, i think that the older man gets the better end of this deal. Hence ops girls wanting cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 05:08 PM
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The middle ground is just the course of action that i suggested, which you are fine with. Given the youth of these girls, and the fact that lying to get in someone's pants is generally frowned on, i think many people would care, and op would face some social and professional repercussions. Whether they should care is a separate discussion. What do i hope would happen? Well, the way i see it, these girls proposed a transaction that was not harmful to op, and would have benefited them both. Then, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 04:53 PM
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Why not answer my question first?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:57 PM
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It's interesting that the trpers here are clutching their pearls over the idea that these girls might be so callous as to make a Facebook post telling other people about their night with him. Apparently they owe some duty to him which involves keeping his little secret so that the sjws don't get a chance to judge him
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:43 PM
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Would you be willing to entertain a middle ground where she doesn't term his actions "rape" or call him any particular names -- just publishes a bald factual account of what he did? And then, the seven others come forward with plain factual statements of their own?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:32 PM
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Ship has already sailed on that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:27 PM
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The definition of rape shifts all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:26 PM
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It's too bad for op that feminism has a lot more clout in society than flat earth theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:23 PM
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Explain to me how this girl would be making a false rape accusation if everything she said was true. People are free to judge for themselves from the facts whether it was rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:18 PM
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Of course not. My point is that it doesn't have to be false to screw op, given what he said, you dingbat. Hell, even if he was very careful about the facts of each of the eight nights (which i bet he wasn't. Did any of the girls have anything to drink? Maybe a little weed?) such that even the most ardent feminist couldn't say it was rape -- society would still brand him a predator. Your heart just aches for op, doesn't it? So unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:08 PM
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I bet that if one of ops teenage darlings published an article detailing the night start to finish, completely accurately, she could get plenty to agree that it was rape. You know I'm right about that. If this post gets dug up and attached to the article, game over for op. I think that both op and his girlies should have had a lot more foresight about how other people are willing to take advantage of a situation. Too late for all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:56 PM
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I hope one of the eight comes back and publicly accuses you of rape
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:44 PM
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Oh yeah if OP is in Europe then his options are even better. In Asia or south America, even better. Unless OP is stationed in Antarctica there is no way he can be an "incel." Nm, given OP other response he may not be an incel. My advice still holds for all incels on six of the seven continents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:37 PM
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Well, the problem is that those skinny girls with not great faces were still getting a bump in the smp due to their youth. A major bump. The corollary though is that they fall harder later on than men do. How old are you now? If 35+ i bet you would now have a decent shot with a skinny or average build woman about your age with a not great face. If you're in a coastal city then she may even be childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:30 PM
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One of my good friends would pick out a cute cashier at 7-11 and ask him what time he got off work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:50 PM
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Make sure he is a natural Chad so that he won't worry about not measuring up to our 100s of previous partners
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:46 PM
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When i was dating i would split or take turns such that it evened out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:40 PM
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I have often checked out the datingoverthirty sub. I do notice that some of the people there, men and women, have been perpetually single since their twenties. Sometimes I'll also see a post for advice somewhere from a girl who hasn't been able to find anyone since she was 22, or ever at all, and she's 27 now. She'll always swear that she's attractive, but every attractive girl i knew in my twenties always ended up with a boyfriend without trying too hard to make it happen. Posts where women adm…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:30 PM
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What if you want to go back there, though? Is your neighborhood riddled with places you can't return to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:36 PM
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I would sue the shit out of the girls, their parents, the school, and any other institution where this took place. I would look into criminal charges for the girls. I would make sure that the girls names were known throughout the community. Any other way i could harm the girls futures and the lives of complicit adults, i would pursue. My husband would be 100% on board knowing him and would have some very creative ideas about punishment. No i wouldn't throw my son under the bus come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:28 PM
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Guys want a whore who just got into the business yesterday, he is her first client. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 12:19 PM
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Troll or no, thank you for ruffling the feathers of our male contingent. Funny how they can dish out little doses of reality but they can't take them. All the best to you and keep making that money and getting your husband to give you back rubs, buy you property, and surprise you with louboutins.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 03:18 AM
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Yeah... are you a male incel? Open up kayak, book yourself a ticket to San Diego, uber across the border and tell the driver to drop you in front of the Hong Kong Gentleman's Club. You'll be laid by a hot girl within twenty four hours of right now A HOT girl, too, who will try to satisfy you in bed. Better than the fate you're consigning the femcels to
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:28 AM
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I didn't say that they would save us from being fucked
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:24 AM
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Well, if you were better at reading comprehension, you'd note that i said they seem to be anatomically configured to physically enjoy it. So they're within the third that orgasms, and often, from casual sex. Bad breath? Bad skills? Come on, young attractive women don't have to go home with guys who seem to have those problems. Do you realize that a man using his penis on you is a fundamentally different sensation from you using it on yourself, like the difference between massaging yourself and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 02:11 AM
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Lol at the knee jerk reaction -- female is trying to manipulate me. But you're absolutely correct -- I'm not actually behaving like a manipulator here. I'm not trying to make you change your theory of life, women, or relationships. I'm just trying to make you admit the existence of a fact: the reading material i keep mentioning exists. Furthermore, i bet you know it exists. Guess you're not alpha enough to stop being a liar yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/18 01:56 AM
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If i didn't at all care what the spergy loser portion of the male population thought, i wouldn't be bothering to respond to you right now. Also, you're still lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:15 PM
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Why do men find that a flesh light isn't the same as sleeping with a live cute girl? "Add up"? Lol, is there some truth that you think is being hidden by my description Edit: i see where the disconnect may be. Knowing that you will physically enjoy intercourse is necessary but not sufficient to cause a woman to pursue it in an iffy situation where she suspects the guy might not offer much in the bedroom besides a hard penis. A lot of women sometimes experience discomfort or pain with intercourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:09 PM
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Anecdotally. The two or three sluttiest women i have known GENUINELY enjoyed the physical act of sex. The friction of intercourse would always feel good to them even if the guy wasn't particularly skilled. And they didn't need to be, for the lack of a better word, psychologically manipulated before they could get physically turned on. It seemed to be a matter of anatomy. They were all very extraverted and definitely more confident than average, which led to them meeting more people in the wild a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:01 PM
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Group think run amuck. Endless need for social validation. Inability to contradict the herd if it means people won't like her as much. These traits are the shadow side of the "social glue" function that women perform.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:40 PM
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No, you and other red pill guys have actually been very helpful. For the past fifteen years or so, you all have been kind enough to write about your true attitudes toward women and have posted it on the internet for me to read. This has enabled me to play defense, and i appreciate that. It also means i know that your first comment was a lie, though. Red pill men screech and whine more about sluts than any woman i have ever known.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:31 PM
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Unfortunately it's true. The best fighters we progressives will have will be the gay men, who actually set foot inside a gym with some regularity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:51 PM
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No thanks. Last time i went we only got two sessions in before she steered the conversation to telling me about how chemotherapys time is past, as marijuana has been scientifically proven to cure cancer. This was in the South, too. I wonder what she would have recommended for an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:19 PM
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Usually you're not fishing in the pool of all American women, you're working within the group of women who are located nearby and of your same social class. Move to a coastal city and i guarantee that the majority will be average to thin, with overweight being an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:12 PM
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What does a hb2 who is younger than you look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:49 PM
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Better question is, why do you care about them? I don't know. My female friends have always said pretty much what you did in the last paragraph. I do care though. It's ok, avoiding casual sex hasn't made me too unhappy and i don't feel like i missed out on much
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:47 PM
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Lol "who hurt you"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:44 PM
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Just join ISIS already and stop flapping your faggot lips about it whether that means joining a religion or moving to a different country We all know what that meant. I hear that you'll get 72 virgins if you blow yourself up
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:38 PM
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Just get a pet dog
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:23 PM
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So, you have trouble even getting 5s to fuck you? Lol Do you feel it demeaning to get shot down by chubby girls and butterfaces on tinder? Do you cry a little at that last glimpse of your face in the mirror before you head out the door to smash a 250lb forty year old woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:20 PM
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The contingent of women that says "whatgmg" is fairly unrepresentative. You have some umc women writing click bait articles. The most enterprising ones make a "career" of it. Then you have the women who get posted to that highly entertaining sub reddit. I'll venture that they also don't reflect reality. No, 20% of women under 40 are not pregnant and looking for a boyfriend, or having three kids by 25, or with a baby daddy in prison, or even with shitty tattoos and clown makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:04 PM
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I'm sure you can find one who will entertain the idea. There are always some women who seek to prove that they are good doggy companions, by ignoring their own interests. Just be aware that with selflessness comes resentment, and sometimes rebellion. But if you really stay a good partner to her and refrain from abandoning her for someone hotter eventually, it can work for both of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:50 AM
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I always knew the wall was real
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:12 AM
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So what i can get is casual sex with a guy who either despises me or doesn't care about me at all? Sounds about right. But, if that's all you're offering, why are you ever surprised when women turn you down for a hotter guy who can do the exact same thing, or just use their vibrator. No more whining about how you can't get laid please
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:03 AM
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I know you're not smart, but even you should be capable of reading and understanding the many threads and posts on trp, mgtow, manosphere blogs, and all their affiliates in which men openly disparage women they slept with, and the COUNTLESS words on those forums which men have devoted to disparaging sluts in general. I know you've read that shit. So either you're being disingenuous or you're actually fucking retarded. Fucking retard.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:54 AM
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Yeah. Though Democrats might have been able to keep their identity politics if only they hadn't simultaneously gone pro business and free trade. Bernie Sanders campaign showed how pro worker policies could marry sjw ideas and appeal to a broader base. Also, the Democrats aren't doing themselves any favors by shaming and demeaning promising, future progressive leaders out of existence whenever those leaders happen to be male.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:02 AM
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Easter European women got the act down in a way a lot of U.S. women well never come close to Would you explain more? Particularly about the non physical aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 11:23 PM
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Truth. Should my husband (two years older than me) abandon me like op is saying, the older guy is my backup plan. I hope to avoid that though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 11:16 PM
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Yeah. It's an important corollary. Although even without it, too much red pill "literature" ruins what could be a good experience by making us aware that our casual sex partner likely despises us.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:32 PM
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No. Every day i wake up sad because I'm a little closer to graduating and having to work a job for the rest of my life. It's like the wall approaching all over again But today all i did was read for an hour and go to class for an hour and a half
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:22 PM
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We're finally out of the dark ages where company IT could prevent you from having fun at work
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:20 PM
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Don't count your chickens. Next is for the DC bar association to launch an investigation and take his license
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 10:00 PM
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Everything is fair when the stakes are this high, am i right
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:56 PM
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Can the embryo turn into a baby as long as you put it in the ground and leave it alone, or does something ELSE have to happen before it becomes a baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:54 PM
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Ok, time to go down the rabbit hole of whether an embryo is a "baby"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:20 PM
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I don't know, i believe that fras exist and are a problem, but there was enough evidence here to make me think she may be right. My knee jerk reaction was to disbelieve her. But the therapists notes from 2012 were particularly compelling. Now, if you want to say that people shouldn't get denied a job based on something they might have done, unless it's proven beyond doubt that they actually did it, that's a different debate. There's some merit to that argument but employers would never go for it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:15 PM
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Perfect answer. First we'll have to laud MEN in a public worldwide ceremony. Op will be on stage next to a portrait of Steve jobs. They'll get to fuck any of us women they want, and we'll make them sandwiches. Then, we'll put MEN to death in a second worldwide ceremony. Op will serve as the stand in for Pol Pot. In other news, i am a child free woman, but considering just how much child bearing my sex has done, I'm going to expect mothers day cards every year from now on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:56 PM
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What about the delay tactics the Republicans used to get rid of merrick Garland Let me guess, those were ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 08:37 PM
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Ok, so we're operating outside the 21st century cuckworld where people think that the powerless should be helped and treated with dignity, right? You personally wouldn't have any time to enjoy the enslavement of pussy owners because you'd be perpetually black and blue due to getting beaten up by stronger men. That would take your focus off women and put it right back on your own weaknesses, fuckhead. Shit, even fifty years ago you'd have gotten kicked down the stairs so many times at recess that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:50 AM
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You showed that people here are mostly white, around their thirties, and reasonably attractive, which means that their opinions should be... ignored? Appreciated? Blindly agreed with?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:37 PM
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It's legal if you take a little trip to Tijuana or Costa Rica. Can't promise no std risk but it's probably not much higher than in the general bar going population. Wear condoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 10:07 PM
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Arguably, there are toxically feminine traits that are tied into positive traits about women that most men like, as well. Somewhat this, though i think it's even more accurate to say that many men just don't really select based on "traits" except ones having to do with physical appearance. They're willing to put up with all sorts of shit as long as she is on the high end of the looks spectrum that is available to him. They don't value intelligence, creativity, depth, kindness, or maturity enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:51 PM
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Nah. To be clear i do think that the manipulated woman in this scenario should put effort into recognizing red flags and then dumping him, painful though it may be. Just because some con artist tries to sell you the Brooklyn bridge doesn't mean you don't have some responsibility for safeguarding your money from him
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 01:43 PM
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$60 sex doesn't pass your cost benefit analysis? You realize that the dolls won't be free, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 01:15 PM
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Are you the only guy around here who doesn't ascribe to the turning tables theory, that dating in mid age and later is significantly harder for women than their male peers? That the male wall, if it exists, is gentler and later than the female one? These threads pop up every week or so. I bet you have posted in them before
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:01 PM
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Haha, i had to make sure i didn't go overboard in being faithful to the reality. I really think I'm on to something with the pet dog theory What first made it click was mgtow posts about how satisfactory they would find a sex robot with basic companionship programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:48 AM
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"Husband"? You wouldn't have been amenable to marriage if you weren't secretly a selfish harpy. You have purposely made it difficult for him to dump you whenever he wants. Love, The men of RPW
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:35 AM
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But what about when he calls her later to tell her that he loves her, and he just did that because when he let his ex girlfriend tag along once she really hurt him by fucking his friends, so he needs time and for her to show she really loves him by being super patient and understanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:23 AM
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You don't think we're told that many men will sleep with anyone female who has a pulse, and the rest of them are willing to bend their standards a great deal if it's just sex? This was obvious and common knowledge among girls i knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:13 AM
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That would be the preferable way to solve it, but i don't know how likely it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:08 AM
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Why? Did i get it wrong, do you care about older and old women's romantic prospects? Are you doing your part to help?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:07 AM
1

Who cares if someone else gets it for free when all you need to pay is $60? Please tell me you can save up $60 for something that is this important to you
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 04:02 AM
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I've figured it out. They have a simple, understandable need to date attractive women with the brains, character and personalities of pet golden retrievers. Unfortunately, no woman has or ever will meet this easy requirement, and all women persist in behavior which is fatal to a happy heterosexual relationship: having needs and desires of their own. This is AWALT. A NAWALT would be an impossible dog-human hybrid and doesn't exist. Your stories about how much you love your husband absolutely infu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 03:09 AM
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Nah. Even as little girls, it's drilled into our heads that men are obsessed with sex and have low standards. We know that a man being willing to fuck us in the bar bathroom doesn't mean he even wants to be seen with us in public. Women who think that they can get better prospects than the reality, do so for two reasons: they've dated a man who actually lied to them and said that he was interested in developing a relationship with them in particular, when he wasn't; and they're more or less gull…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 03:31 PM
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To be fair I've never once heard a man express sympathy over the complete lack of partnership prospects that women can expect once they are elderly widows, for the last 10-20 years of their lives. Not to mention that if they get back on the market for any reason after their prime, they will have a harder time than guys their own age. Never heard a man suggest that something should be done to help these women find companionship, and seriously doubt any would entertain the idea that they should fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 07:43 PM
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Next time you guys start telling women that "at least we can get sex when we want but men can't," remember this thread. Plenty of guys make periodic visits to Mexico, Costa Rica or Thailand, and the u.s. option is viable for many too despite its illegality. You have thousands of attractive prostitutes to choose from to end your dry spell, inceldom or whatever else, all of them wanting to fuck you and take your money in return, so gtfo with that stuff about how much more difficult your struggle i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:27 AM
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Yeah? Why don't you do a little research into the rates of sexual harassment and assault in, say, rural and heavily patriarchal India, and get back to me. By the way, can your theory answer this: why does the subset of men i described focus on pre-teens not yet steeped in the culture, and ignore grown women who might be slutty enough to give them what they want? How about really young children who get molested, do you think that women's sexual liberation caused that too? Grown women being approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/18 05:10 AM
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Only insofar as you don't do a good job of at least pretending to engage with her in non sexual ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 07:02 PM
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Really? She pointed out several things about her husband that she described as being incompatible with rp. Specifically, each of her bullet points, except 4, 8 and 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 06:54 PM
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"Monster" may be a bad choice of words. Ideally, he would be capable of brutality with his enemies, but honor the people who stick by him, and be compassionate with the weak. Yes, if the guy is an indiscriminate asshole, then he'll become an asshole with her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 06:40 PM
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Certain men becoming predatory toward underage girls? I see no evidence for that having accompanied sexual liberation. On the contrary, societies have always had to deal with the problem of rape, and the more patriarchal societies today seem to be more troubled by it than, say, the United States. Possibly because social and legal reprisal is more likely here, as well as that men here are more likely to internalize the idea that young girls are autonomous creatures just like them, and to refrain …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 05:22 PM
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Despite what you may think, mainstream society has never managed to provide women with a genuinely amoral way of understanding the world, relationships and men. Neither has rpw in any of its incarnations. I could write a whole post about this, but basically i think that women are highly dependent on how others view them for validation. We just cannot walk into a room and spit out some perspective that will cause others there to think, "shes a bad person." We also don't have an internal view of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/18 04:19 PM
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Well, women who have been doing sexual strategy in a way that didn't work out for them, and which they cannot do over or take back, are probably going to avoid discussions where a good number of commenters often denigrate that strategy and the people who pursue it. Seems like it would just be constantly reliving how they went wrong, and having to realize how many potential partners think poorly of them. There's some value to a guy in discussing and coming to understand how he messed up his roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 09:15 PM
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Oh whoops misread that. Ha thanks, i actually got slightly offended that someone would consider me a bloop.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 09:01 PM
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Women want a man who can be a monster with other men, but chooses not to be one with her. Most abusive men do start out portraying themselves as kind and considerate partners, slowly turning into assholes over time. It should come as no surprise that women want the man who has the guts and ability to stand up for her and their family against all kinds of enemies. They want Jon Snow though, not Ramsay Bolton. Nice guys who can't get laid would benefit from becoming a lot more assertive with their…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 08:57 PM
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I think people are talking about different things here. Men do have a fantasy where they rescue and get with a beautiful damsel in distress. But while she may desperately need him to slay some monsters, there is no doubt that she's a perfect catch in all the ways that count. If you're needy or vulnerable in the "wrong" ways, that is not going to work for them. Socially awkward? Prone to acne? Tread carefully. Wanting to be around them too often, especially in the early days, can signal to them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 04:53 AM
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So you think that opening the marriage is key to not getting divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 02:54 AM
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I'm not a bloop, is why. I subscribe to some of the red pill notions regarding "women's true nature"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 02:20 AM
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I hate to make the red pill point here, but a woman is highly unlikely to develop intense love feelings unless the man shows her plenty of alpha traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 02:02 AM
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It's true. There's a (likely small) subset of men out there who have absolutely no qualms about making a developing child uncomfortable, and often get off on it. This side of them is kept invisible from other men and from women over the age of 20 or so. They have an entire seamy underbelly that only underage girls "get" to see. I believe that most men are decent, but those ones will just ignore a young teenage girl, so her interactions with grown men will be overwhelmingly negative and cause her…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 01:37 AM
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I was sort of joking, but i do think that regretful town bicycles are not going to choose to spend their time on here, or on pill forums at all. Maybe sexually conservative women haven't thought to debate these issues at all? Or alternatively, the ones who frequented rpw seemed a bit too, er, conformist to have a good time on here even if they did want a debate. That leaves you with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/18 12:27 AM
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Where we're happy with our outcomes, we thought that you guys might be pleasantly surprised to hear about it, and that you might be happy that our lives didn't turn out as badly as you thought they would. It's not uplifting to read about others successes?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 04:20 PM
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Pointless. Too easy to decide that responders are lying if their answers are incompatible with your beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/18 04:17 PM
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I'd argue that once a woman controls her hypergamous instincts, whether subconsciously via shaming or consciously, hypergamy is no longer a problem for her spouse or society. I haven't seen anyone argue that men aren't fit to be husbands simply because they will inevitably crave younger, hotter women than their spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/18 11:45 PM
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I actually agree with this. A few ideas: Look at how you solve a problem at work. You are emotionally detached because you don't particularly care about this issue, and you hopefully remove your ego from the equation because it gets in the way of results. This is how to approach personal problems as well. Observe when you are being emotionally reactive, you're sitting by the river watching it, not swimming in it. Be comfortable with having your actions not line up with your feelings. I.e. if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 07:01 AM
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Oh yes. I see guys make posts where they use the fact that most geniuses are men as evidence that men as a whole, and they themselves, have far more capacity than women. Then I smirk as I realize that he totally missed his own logical fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 06:42 AM
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Tens of thousands of men have interacted with some shitty women and had a shitty ex or two? Welcome to the club, tens of thousands of women have interacted with some shitty men and had a shitty ex or two. Tens of thousands of men claim that most women they have met and dated have been shitty? I know there are men who claim that, but I see no evidence that it's widespread in society. Such guys like to cluster together and discuss it of course. And I've known women who make the mirror image claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 06:12 AM
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be subjected to dumb psuedoscience about their behavior This is the correct answer. It would be hypocritical to shame a guy for having a visceral aversion to sluts, as we have our deep seeded preferences too. But if they're going to come up with "logical reasons" for their preference, then those can and will be picked apart. Similarly, guys should accept that women tend to have an innate, unreasonable preference for tall men, but they can argue back if a girl says that she prefers them because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/18 05:59 AM
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Wanting to improve oneself is an excellent trait. Yes, women like men who try to improve. But we'd strongly prefer that the baseline have been good too. We only get one real shot at a successful family. Marrying a guy who started out super pitiful and somehow became attractive via internet lessons in his late twenties is like you guys marrying a pretty woman only to find that she started out looking horrible and has had a bunch of plastic surgery. I bet a lot of you wouldn't be down to have her …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/18 12:24 AM
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I'm saying that you should judge your smv by which women are willing to enthusiastically date and fuck you with the expectation of a relationship developing. As long as you're sure they really like you and aren't just desperate for a boyfriend. Smv is a constellation of traits that sexually excite a woman. Rmv is traits that provide her comfort, security and support in a relationship. Whether women will fuck you nsa, and which ones, is not a good indicator of smv. Sometimes they're already horny…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:50 PM
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Do you understand that writing is an excellent vehicle for expressing emotion? Having taken English in school, do you remember that the interpretation often isn't ambiguous or purely subjective? Maybe your writing conveys more aggression than you really feel, personally. If that's so, why not work on it? But somehow I doubt it. I think it's much more likely that you have the same mess of emotions as the other red pill posters who write in a similar style as you do, whether or not you're actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:31 PM
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It's not that women who would seek you out for a relationship, but not casual sex, can't be genuinely attracted to you. If you're both sevens, she'd probably like having sex with you just fine. However, if all you're seeking is casual sex, and she realizes that, there are ten guys hotter than you who have or soon would make her the exact same offer. Why wouldn't she pick one of them? It's a pump and dump, or fuck buddy situation, either way. Purely selfish on your end, so it probably is on hers …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 11:15 PM
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Be afraid of or submissive to another man. Especially when it's purely a psychological hold, rather than fear for physical safety. This is not the same as deference to another man because he knows more or is higher up in the chain of command. What I'm talking about is being totally in another man's frame. Complain about shit over and over, but not fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/18 10:51 PM
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I never used tinder, but I did okcupid. I tend to think that the game had already changed at that point, as five years ago we (myself and my girl friends) were all on our Cupid accounts getting an overabundance of messages. Five years before that, I was in college and everyone met organically. I would characterize the change in the winners group thus: women who have a hard time finding compatibility have a better shot now, because they get to meet so many more men. As long as their problem is ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 10:59 PM
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So? Men also treat women as disposable, replaceable commodities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/18 10:10 PM
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Everyone else has pointed out how you are wrong, so I'll note that there's something in what you say that's right. It's not that we don't have the experience to know whether those four things turn us on, because even if the top 1% has never approached us, we can still look at the looks/status/game/wealth differentials in the guys who have approached us. However, I also think that a lot of people, especially women, have a mental block that prevents them from ardently desiring to get with partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 11:14 PM
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You believe a woman is wonderful for simply existing because that's the narrative you have told yourself to explain why your dick gets hard at the sight of her. That is pretty much what op is trying to articulate. I'm fairly certain that he wasn't envisioning any women past their sexual beauty stage when he wrote this screed. Try "just being" as a homely middle aged lady and see how much men appreciate you. Also, try being a mother and just acting sweet and "motherly" but not taking any steps to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:34 PM
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Yep, another question that could be answered by a ppd101 understanding of female sexuality. I'm not sure if each one is asked by a new guy, or if it's the same men over and over just not getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:18 PM
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It is in the way you write and even your screen name. You're not alone. Most posters on red pill oriented forums are through the ceiling with anger about society and the various attributes of women. But you can discuss the same subjects with someone who has always gotten laid, and find that the lack of pain and trauma has bred a much more even emotional reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 10:10 PM
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You're basically comparing a kid who struggles with remedial math against a kid who easily aces his calculus AP exam and pretending that one isn't more genetically gifted than the other, since they're both "students" and neither was born knowing math.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 04:45 AM
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The anger seeps through and gives you away too early, my man. Guys who "get it" easily and have "gotten it" since their teens just don't have that kind of hatred.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 04:35 AM
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Yes, there was a time when I had guzzled the kool aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 03:15 AM
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Well, it's only a grown up romantic version of having your best friends tell you, "I never liked you, remember all those times we hung out, I could barely stand listening to you talk. I was only pretending to be interested! I only ever was your friend because you're rich and paid for stuff/my mom felt bad for you and made me." I mean, that wouldn't hurt at all, right, because the memories were happy ones before you heard that. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/18 01:34 AM
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This is the correct answer. At least a quarter of these guys would fuck anything. Maybe half will shoot that "hey" message to any woman who's under fifty and two hundred pounds. The rest might have standards that are a little bit higher, but they still sent that message to every hb6+. I personally know that the attention means nothing other than that I meet some very basic requirements, and I think a lot of other women understand the same. So that knocks out the "validation" aspect, as well as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/18 03:32 PM
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It helps as a substitute for qualities that might make someone extremely successful, such as a huge amount of guts and confidence, high intelligence, and personal charm or charisma. But it's not the same as being attracted to someone for those qualities. How to tell the difference? I would ask myself whether my attraction would change if their income and career tanked. If yes, then I'm not really attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:45 PM
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Ah, another post made so the ppd men can claim that they don't like getting extra money with everything else held equal. Or prestige. Although one thing that might be going on here is that men who have a middle class job often don't want to date "up," and men with huge amounts of fuck you money genuinely don't care. Men who are in between, at the PhD student's level in this hypo, generally do care.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:28 PM
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its a very unappealing prospect to dive back in and do all that shit again for a guy that's older, less virile, and probably has some mental/emotional/life baggage that will eventually grate on your last nerve. Absolutely this. I suspect that older women, finding themselves single again, look around and realize that their options are pretty shit and don't envision marrying any of them. What are the odds that your average divorced fifty year old woman is going to attract, for marriage, a guy she …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 09:14 PM
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A lot easier to trade it in for another position once your boss starts being a dick, than your husband. If your boss goes out of business or dies, you can probably find a new job...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 08:49 PM
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People fantasize that the 200 naked women at a championship party are fangirls, girlfriends and side-chicks. In actuality, they are ALL PROSTITUTES. 4real? How do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 08:41 PM
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Ty. She's a pretty good troll though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/18 01:39 AM
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I can only imagine how much my husband would have resented me if I'd come home after work, with him having studied for the bar exam all day, and started nagging at him to do all the chores since he hadn't made any money. Good luck with your approach. You're not a loving partner, but at least it sounds like you pay most of your boyfriend's bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:24 AM
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Half ass means sending some "hey" message to your looks match, when you read the profile of the girl who is too hot for you and sent her a witty comment about the music she's into. As for the "where are all the good men" stuff, I would not take the WAATGM sub reddit postings, as amusing as they are, and the click bait huffpo articles as actually representing what happens to more than an eye-catching minority of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:14 AM
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The trope is that guys from older generations are more traditionally manly and are supposedly better at sex Lol! I've heard this one before... but only from boomer men themselves. People tell themselves all sorts of things. Truthfully the mediocre fucks are alike across generations in terms of performance, and the good ones are good for reasons not related to what year they were born in. The young men seem fine to me. No complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:10 AM
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Wrong. Have you not paid attention to so many posts from men who make it clear that they do in fact approach plane/average girls, girls who should be within their league but still strike out because even those girls only want the attractive guys to hit on them. I agree that some women have impossible standards for what they bring to the table. But some of the men strike out because they're looking for casual only, and it's noticeable. The majority of women understand that who they can fuck isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 12:04 AM
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You're mixing up two different situations. If your partner is equally exhausted as you at the end of the day, regardless of how much he actually earns, then it's fair to split the housework evenly and/or hire a maid. If he works the same hours as you but his job consists of sitting around and posting on reddit for most of the day, then it's fair for him to do more. If he works fewer hours, then he should cook and clean more. My husband has earned more than me at some times, and at other times I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 11:31 PM
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You lost me. What other ideas? I'm always going on in this sub reddit about how the wall is real, men have it easier as they age, and women should try to lock it down before it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 10:51 PM
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Are you talking to a straw man? I believe the opposite of your statement, and have posted about it here several times before.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 01:14 AM
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Yeah. Don't know what op means by hard to get, but when I've done this, it consists of refraining from following up if he seems lukewarm, and dropping it altogether if this continues or if he just seems sexually motivated, but simultaneously wanting more and hoping it works out. This is always because he's hotter than me. It's a good strategy. It has saved me from being the likely pump and dump for a few different gorgeous guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:16 AM
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The only things I've always liked are narrow hips, small cute butt, medium not too broad chest and shoulder area, not too much body hair, and full head hair. I've been attracted to and dated men who lacked some of these qualities, but that was based on psychological stuff and didn't change what I like. I don't know why these traits are important, but they are. Preferred Height, build, and coloring have changed according to who I last felt some sort of connection with. When it was a ginger, I not…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:05 AM
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You're unlikely to find anyone who will do this for any reason except getting to share in your great wealth. The other stuff like "romantic gestures" can be had from monogamous men, don't really offset the pain of cheating, and are less valuable coming from a disloyal husband. So I hope you have some serious money. Even then, as you noted, most women would prefer less money and more fidelity. Feminism gets a lot of hate, but a lot of women are glad that they can now work to support themselves ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:36 AM
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A+. My husband is only two years older than me, and I'm sure he could date ten years younger at this point. I focus on being a real partner and making sure he never feels sexually discontent. I also do most of the cleaning, he just doesn't see or care about mess in the same way I do and I'm not about to choose a sparkly clean bathroom over a happy marriage. He's floated the idea a couple of times of me being the main breadwinner. There I put my foot down, I'm sufficiently disengaged from feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:13 AM
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Women still value it highly, and why wouldn't they? There was a thread here a few months ago where a large number of PPD women said something like "I love my bf but if he won't marry me then I'm leaving" thus showing love does indeed have a price. Love isn't love unless the man is locked down by the state, apparently. Again, burden of performance on the man. Indeed, people will continue to think of their own interests no matter what. In the situation you are quoting, the woman is usually deeply …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:01 AM
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Red is pissed off that women have a different and often contradictory imperative. They view this imperative and everything done to further it as bad and unethical. They want selfless perfection who loves them the way only a mother could, or maybe a golden retriever. They are convinced that they will never find this. They are right, because there is no such thing as a human being that lacks their own imperative. Purple pill understands that everyone does and should have their own imperative. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:32 PM
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This is true. they'll usually try to justify male cheating by pointing out that she is responsible for the dead bedroom, not him. But while that does make some sense, I've found it really telling that the mrp crowd will still cheer on men who cheat while having a decent sex life with the wife. I remember one in particular who married his wife when they were both very young, then got a touch of ennui in his thirties and started cheating simply because he felt he had missed out on casual sex and w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 10:09 PM
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Even assuming not socially awkward -- because that would definitely impact his attractiveness -- it might still matter. He might be an attractive guy who doesn't know how to emotionally pull me close, as it were.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 09:11 PM
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Yes, it would.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 08:02 PM
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No, he doesn't need to be outstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 07:43 PM
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This is such a different question for women than it is for men. They're all yellow. Guy 1 would have to be fucking awesome to change it to a green, but I've found men about as plain as him to be attractive when they are fiercely intelligent with idgaf rock solid frame, most alpha guy in the room frame. Guys 2 and 3 could change it to a green by being intelligent and personable and clicking very well with me. Men won't understand this, but I'd need those traits to be equally solid for Guy 2 as fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:49 AM
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They don't realize that they should mix in some tenderness and sweetness with their dominance. They take the D/s dynamic from fifty shades, but they leave out the part where he's loving and warm. Maybe not all women need both, maybe some just like it mean. But speaking for myself, I've rejected attractive men who didn't emotionally draw me in, and I've slept with men because they managed to tap that vulnerable, private space inside me by taking control in a loving way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/18 11:52 PM
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No, I'd say that one's options become more palatable as one moves up, so dating just gets easier in a linear fashion. When I dated I was in the second tier, and very pleased with the second tier guys I went out with. Everyone brought solid fundamentals to the table, plus maybe one or two outstanding traits. They just lacked superfluous first tier items like wealth or model good looks. What I've observed is that when you travel down the tiers, many of your options start having major flaws that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/18 09:51 PM
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There are red pill men on other subs, especially ppd, who voice thoughtful criticisms of women and society. The fact that mgtow don't see the difference between that and hyperbolic hatefulness in an echo chamber is at the center of why their online personas aren't likeable and don't command respect. Although, my impression is that some of you do know the difference, but have a tacit understanding that mgtow forums are a "safe space" meant for letting out your rage. Kind of like driving to the to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 11:40 PM
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I don't think that romantic dinners and long backrubs should be prerequisite for basic action in marriage. But if he can't be bothered to make out with her for five minutes and go down on her for another five before intercourse, then he has no room to complain about laziness and uncaring. He signed up for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 10:16 PM
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For almost any individual guy, the sky's the limit in theory. We all know guys who are successful with women and are handicapped by being short, fat, ugly, dumb, or poor (though maybe not all at once). If charm and game are totally learnable, then any given guy can learn to attract twenty year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:08 PM
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Yeah... Men are more "reasonable" when it comes to picking girls to hook up with, because it feels great to stick your penis into really any pussy or mouth, as long as you're not fighting repulsion. Nothing wrong with having a ons or short fling where your dick keeps getting wet. When it comes to a serious relationship, both sexes are picky. Men don't want to have plain kids, take a plain wife around town, or wake up next to a plain woman every morning any more than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 11:13 PM
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Would you date a tradcon, future housewife girl, in hopes of establishing an old fashioned dynamic where you are the breadwinner and she takes care of you -- and yet not pay for her on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:47 PM
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So, would you like date a tradcon girl who doesn't and won't make much money, with both of you having the idea that if things work out then she'll stay home and take care of you and the kids? Let's say that she has the potential to be a really devoted wife in the old fashioned model. And assuming you want this dynamic, you'd still want her to pay her way on dates? Women paying for dates was totally unacceptable in the old days, with the traditional housewife model. Even if she was working some s…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:38 PM
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A lot of sex positive feminists are only going to support rights and privileges for themselves and their in-group, at the end of the day. Incels are about as far away from that as you can get. And not only that, but lots of feminists are basically afraid that any help given to incels might have a negative impact on some woman, somewhere, if only because she would end up fucking some weirdo; or impacts on society, due to changing the situation of incels. They would have to be totally assured that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 10:07 PM
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Wow, your experiences have been shitty. I still think NAMALT, which is probably essential to a good marriage. That is, I think that men are driven by lust, but only some of them will go beyond boundaries to satisfy their lust in a way that I personally find objectionable. Being a teen girl exposes you to the dregs of men like nothing else. Decent men more than five years older than you won't be hitting on you at all. What you get is boys your age, who are also figuring it out and fucking up whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 05:48 PM
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If he made explicit promises (while refusing marriage), then some reliance is intended and reasonable, and the existence of marriage as an alternative doesn't mean that those promises should be meaningless. If not, then there are implicit duties in people's dealings with each other, even if they aren't dating, and the only repercussions are social. If I'm going to give you bad news, I shouldn't do it on the day of your mother's funeral. Or if we are dating and I want to dump you, I at least don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/18 05:21 PM
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It's become clear that the pill world consists of guys who are quite different in this respect than the ones I've met in real life... They're really insistent about not caring about status, though, and surely they don't lie... Actually, I'd bet that many of them are being truthful. But given the dating background of this population, I suspect that the hard preference for youthful looks, and the disdain for status (especially career related status), was developed as a reaction to negative encount…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 05:57 AM
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What's really relevant is the comparison between different ages for the same guy, though. Do most men (not extremely attractive or ugly) get noticeably less hot between 35 and 40? When I was dating and seeing lots of profiles, the answer definitely seemed to be "yes." Guys in their early to mid thirties still looked great. There was a noticeable decline in cuteness that started in the late thirties. By their early forties, guys were really starting to look like "dad." I do wonder how many of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:45 AM
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I mostly agree with this. However, the advantage of late twenties, early thirties guys in the dating market somewhat forces women to date older than they might prefer, starting at around thirty. Thus, your forty year old guy might be able to get someone almost ten years younger than him, because a thirty year old woman is no longer getting many serious dates within five years of her age. However, that smells a little like settling (given that really hot forty year old guys are going after twenty…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:39 AM
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Hmm, the last time I was single and actively dated was at 27. I think that some people would have been a mite weirded out if I had gotten a forty year old boyfriend. But that's not the real reason I didn't really go for guys that age -- the reason was that I had plenty of late twenties and early thirties guys asking me out, I was more attracted to them generally, the connection flowed better with them, and I didn't get those weird "I'm fetishizing your comparative youth" vibes that the older guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 04:22 AM
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Yeah, exactly. Trp and similar consist of unattractive men who cannot get laid in today's dating world. Many unattractive men are white, although it's true that non white guys are more likely to be seen as unattractive. Whether they grew up with it or not, unattractive men are going to get angry about the smp. Even if they're fifth generation American, they can read books to get fantasies about alternative dating and relationship worlds. And fantasize they will, because the smp isn't working for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 10:44 PM
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They're culturally Anglo. And I thought that term as used in this thread was going to be about "culture," not actual ethnicity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 10:37 PM
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From my experience of being here, many blues come and go but a significant portion of them who do feel as though terps are using deceitful and manipulative tactics to obtain consent, and while not necessarily illegal, they consider it morally reprehensible to the point where TRP becomes rage bait to them. Yeah. A good rule of thumb is that the greater the investment the other person put in due to trickery, where trickery shouldn't have been reasonably expected, the more reprehensible the act is.…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 06:07 PM
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Womens deceptions are generally treated as acceptable (I think about Jordan Peterson's discussion on makeup) while male deceptions are treated as reprehensible. I don't know about that as an iron rule. Seems like physical deceptions are generally more accepted because they'll be obvious before the sex act happens. Makeup is right there for you to see; sure, you don't know what she looks like without it, but that's more akin to a woman knowing that she doesn't know a man's real job, and fucking h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 05:52 PM
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1) Drugs and alcohol. These items can make what is not so fun, fun. Plus, they lower inhibitions so that you have an easier time saying "what the hell, why not" to whatever is offered you. 2) Media. I'm not going to weigh in on whether this is good or bad, but watching TV and movies when I was a teenager, and reading enough novels, left me with the impression that *any* sex would be this transformative, blissful, orgasmic experience. I couldn't wait to try it. However, it didn't live up to the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 03:07 PM
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Yeah. This guy was around there in the seventies and eighties? He might have noticed the full on blossoming back then of the gay rights movement, and all the associated cultural stuff...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 01:37 PM
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Every city has crime, and certain areas you should avoid. Your fox news picture of it is not what the residents actually experience. Edit: Reading between the lines of your comment, you haven't actually spent any time in San Francisco since the "progressive takeover" you keep mentioning. Edit 2: Removed some personal info and will replace it with "I have strong ties to San Francisco".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 01:32 PM
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Huh? Marriage is a Judeo-Christian tradition? Marriage has always been "gynocentric"? Atheist women factually get married in order to get divorced for "cash and prizes"? Hahaha, your premises Brb, I forgot to get my husband's signature on the paper for his enslavement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 04:23 AM
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Well, even if you aren't into any weird cultures or subcultures and their foods, parties, and people -- and you also don't like local history, craft beers, fusion foods, or festivals -- you can still go to bougie bars with yuppies, and San Francisco's bougie bars will be superior to the knockoff versions in your suburb, and the yuppies will be more moneyed, and lean more toward libertarianism, than you're used to, and then you'll realize that San Francisco even does a good job at the shitty stuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/18 04:09 AM
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So where does the BB come in? If she was actually doing AF/BB, she would say that she plans to fuck the attractive guy for a while, and then settle down with an ugly rich dude. There is no BB getting hurt in this equation. There's no resource-extracting; no leeching off someone else to get nice vacations and jewelry. OP appears to be pursuing only honest relationships with mutual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 10:30 PM
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The "celebrity status" thing encapsulates a lot, but not all, of those "other components" besides looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 10:13 PM
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Not many people think that women are any better for valuing men based partly on personality, or that men are any worse for focusing heavily on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 06:13 PM
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If this is true, then why would so many women rather fuck a mildly above average-looking celebrity over a hot nobody? See Leonardo DiCaprio and the women he dates. Why are girls more interested in sleeping with a dad bod frat star than a good looking shy introvert with nerdy interests? Do you think that the legions of men who claim to have learned game and become better in social situations, and turned their dating lives around, are lying? What about the claims of red pillers that their success …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 06:09 PM
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I'll assume that "out of shape" is proxy for "gross" and "athletic" is proxy for "hot." In real life I've seen some dad-bod guys who still managed to be sexy, and some athletic guys who didn't quite make it. Athletic man with average income. You didn't even make this hard by saying that he's super-poor and needs me to support him. If I want to be comfortably well-off in this day and age, I can make that happen myself. Strongly suspect that it would be worse having to be affectionate and sexual w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:23 PM
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She is harking back to the old order of things (which RP usually longs for, by the way), in which marriage was the approved way of a woman ensuring her economic security/success. Second wave feminism and the opening up of the skilled labor market ("careers") changed that. I don't read her comment as saying that she would be pursuing BB if she was working a shit retail job, in the 21st century, and that some old rich guy has only been saved from fulfilling that role for her because she decided to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:15 PM
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Yep. I thought I would come here and post this, but you beat me to it. Women still choose men all the time, even knowing that they will never be able to stop them from fantasizing about younger, hotter girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:04 PM
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This is tangentially an issue I run into, that yes, once the pedestal and the fantasy is gone, all you're left with is another human being who farts and is mediocre in various ways. My reaction to that is to try to prevent it - I always try to keep that younger me in mind, who thought women and sex were like the most amazing, yet only dreamed of lands filled with immense power. I know what you mean. But something I've figured out is that sexuality is a dim shadow of real power, which has more to…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 04:01 PM
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The idea that I have here is that by forcing men to put in this work and improve, just having male sexuality is beneficial. I'm not being disingenuous, either. I wonder how much better off women would be, generally, if instead of getting easy attention when they were young, attention had been withheld from them until they improved themselves and contributed something to society. No, the benefits to men don't come as easily, but they are better for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:39 PM
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How does that negate my assertion that women gain something from their sexuality when they walk out the door whereas men don't? This is considerably more work than simply walking out the door. Which is it -- are the things I described not intangible benefits of expressing male sexuality in our society? Or is it just that reaping those benefits requires some work?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 02:28 PM
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What benefits do you get?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:42 PM
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If we're in the realm of intangibles? Why not? Red pill has plenty of posts where men discuss how they use rejections and successes as ways to improve themselves, in a way women cannot. And when success does happen, it validates everything about a man and the work he has put in. That seems much more valuable in the long run than getting attention for very little. Quite arguably, it's responsible for some of the achievement differential between the sexes. What's more valuable, an hour relaxing in…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:41 PM
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Thank you for being one of the few truthful responders in the thread. Also, I'd argue that the more traditional meaning of status (wealth, doctor, lawyer) does mater in the context of RMV anyway, just not SMV. Definitely true. They may even be prerequisites for serious dating among men with similar status. No, not for banging and hookups. But for intertwining lives -- yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:36 PM
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Ah. But if you're not specifying tangible/monetary gain, then the question is kind of meaningless. Everyone is gaining something every minute of the day. Everyone gains something from interacting with others, whether it's attention, validation, experience, or knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 09:20 PM
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Lol... that's a myth. Generally guys will only do stuff they wouldn't do for others if they think that it will help them sleep with you. Most guys aren't so naive as to think that you might want to sleep with them, unless you drop hints. So this is an interactive process that requires flirtation, and sometimes fibbing, to work. I'm an introvert who has walked out the door thousands of times. I would get catcalled, looked at and approached when I was younger, but no one offered shit for free unle…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 08:54 PM
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What everyone (especially the feds) seems to be missing is that there are a lot of people who get off on sexual control. Insofar as blackmail was actually used, the sex cult aspect of this is extremely objectionable. However, I suspect that many women in the inner group enjoyed the power plays, got turned on by the master/slave bit, and didn't require blackmail to partake. They seem to be middle-class or even rich women, full adults, who were "manipulated" with sexual thrills and charisma-- noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 07:37 PM
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Yes -- this. I'm not sure whether cults of 50-100+ years ago had less to do with personal significance, but my guess is that the desire to have a meaningful role in an important community has always driven people to cultish extremes. I'd say that the role of feminism in this whole story isn't that it made way for people to slavishly follow some snake oil salesman. Feminism more comes into play in the structure of this cult -- instead of being made up of family units (like JW's for instance), it …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 07:28 PM
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women are more likely to judge people negatively for their personality, I've definitely always wondered about that. I've felt less judged by men on the whole, but maybe they'd judge a guy more harshly on his personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 04:48 AM
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It's hard to say, because I'm comparing men of different age groups, pre and post fatherhood, and if I want to go back more than fifty years then I'm getting my ideas from westerns and AP English novels. I think that city dwelling, soft handed men are probably about as masculine as they ever were. I don't include "sexist" as a masculine attribute. I'm not even going to speculate about country guys, because I've known so few. A bit better question is, do I think that their masculinity suffices fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/18 03:18 AM
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I think that sex on ecstasy, or edibles, has brought me the most physical bliss I've ever experienced. Your poison might be different. Drugs/alcohol are the major factor that is ignored in these discussions about "why did she fuck that guy at that party but not me on our first date, why was she so inexplicably horny with him that night but she didn't feel the same way when we went out for appetizers"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 03:43 PM
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Give me some ecstasy and hang around, OR Pay me a flattering amount of attention in a genuine seeming way, such that I can suspend my disbelief and enter a fantasy about us having a connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/18 02:43 AM
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You are a gay/bi man? I've noticed that men who like men are very into youth, and might be even less forgiving about it than hetero guys. Women care about a somewhat different array of stuff. I agree with you that men are the most beautiful in their early twenties. Tom cruise is another great example of that. Assuming they're maximizing their potential, of course. It's just that women also care a LOT about dominance in all its manifestations, and late twenties/early thirties presents the best mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/18 12:29 AM
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In countries where prostitution is legal, it is often so cheap that a man with a decent income, and no family, can afford to get laid multiple times a week. Richer men can afford to do it every day. Why do so many of them still seek out long term partners and girlfriends? Why do so many men who do visit prostitutes go after the "girlfriend experience"? Despite the fact that prostitution is illegal in the US, many men don't care and visit them anyway. Why are so many of those men still looking fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 10:27 PM
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I know "men" better than you do, although you know yourself better than I do. I have been a successful fisherman in my time. You are just a fish.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 10:16 PM
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It's pretty widely accepted that men's smv goes up between his teens and late twenties/early thirties. The controversy is really about if, when, and how fast it goes down after that. At the same time, she is no longer as fresh as when he first had her. Maybe these young women just feel they don't deserve better? They weren't thinking about what they deserved-- they were loving openly and trustingly, in the pure way men supposedly value so highly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 10:15 PM
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The entire pua/pill community is screaming out not only for sex, but also for validation and love. It's everywhere. I actually used to think like you do, but it's become really obvious that many men want more. To the extent that some don't (i assume you're in that category), it's usually about not wanting it "anymore" after seeking it led to much pain. Your experience isn't generalizable to a all or most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 10:10 PM
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In the two instances I'm thinking of, each woman stayed with her first love/high school sweetheart without caring about whether he would marry her, and once she realized she was getting older and needed that security, her bargaining power was weaker, and then she kept staying because she had an incredibly strong bond with him, while her position weakened every year. Both couples were looks matched, one couple was hot, the other one less so. She stayed through her prime years because she genuinel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 09:42 PM
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If sex bots ever become real enough they'd essentially be human beings Oh, yeah, and that would be much more satisfactory to guys on the whole. But at that point, the robots arent just providing sex, they're providing a loving companionship experience that most men find extremely valuable. And once female dolls are advanced enough to provide that experience in a way that competes with human women, they'll also be able to make male dolls that give a satisfying sexual and emotional experience to w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 08:32 PM
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Thanks, that's super helpful. Glad getting diagnosed has made a positive difference for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 03:05 AM
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Many of them definitely want more than just the act of sex. Or else, you wouldn't have red pillers refusing to be satisfied with prostitutes -- and in countries where sex work is legal, there would be no male dissatisfaction with the smp at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/18 03:00 AM
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Most are down to earth and well meaning, and reasonably self aware, and I enjoy talking with them. The mean girls are on a different social level that I can't play on, it's like a 5'6" person playing with NBA players. I can't even imagine how they think, but I do wish I had those skills. I've noticed that other women are able to go back and forth, down to earth sometimes and then mean girls in the right company, but I cannot. I had great, intimate, mildly nerdy female friends in high school, who…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 08:26 PM
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I've wondered about that for some time regarding myself. I do have a social instinct, but it's only there in some situations and a huge part of my social skills are learned consciously and painfully. What would you say led you to figure it out for yourself? Does the diagnosis make a difference in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 08:08 PM
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It would feel pretty bad. I'd feel like shit and have to have people tell me to suck it up and improve. I wouldn't give a crap about no longer being able to get casual sex though, anymore than I'd be sad if the shitty Chinese restaurant on my block, which I only went to once, closed. I'd be upset because it would imply that I could no longer get the actual relationships I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 08:00 PM
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She's saying that her job is relationship-y enough to be similar to pickup, not that relationships are transactional enough to be like a job
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 07:53 PM
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Yeah... I'm guessing that one of these girls, one time, gave him the standard older man compliment of "I like confident experienced men who know what they want, not boys" and this guy ran with it all the way to the millennial-bashing finish line. I've also heard an older guy wax on about how millennial men suck in bed because they get their ideas from porn, and they don't know how to make love. There is nothing wrong with millennial men, or their sexual abilities, broadly speaking. I've slept wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 04:10 AM
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Ah. Ok, fair enough. However, even if we're not going to call it hypergamy, men also go after the best -- "good enough" isn't fungible with "better" and "best." The fact that they base it on looks isn't very relevant to the general social effect, except that the hottest women go to the top, not the most successful. You still have the hottest women on okcupid receiving the lion's share of the messages. While some men will only spend a little time going after the best before settling for good enou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 12:21 AM
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Why doesn't your definition of hypergamy encompass all forms of "the best," instead of just social status? The effect is similar on the opposite sex, it establishes a pecking order in the dating world, and that's what is important, not the precise criteria used to establish the pecking order.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:34 PM
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Flattered for sure initially. Apprehensive about the interaction going sour and having to hear that I am a "bitch," or maybe having to deal with some pua gamesmanship that makes it clear he has no respect for me. If I would think myself out of his league, then I'll also feel mildly insulted and question my attractiveness. Just being honest here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:07 PM
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Currently, a percentage of ordinary-as-fuck looking men do everything in their power to become wealthy so they can live the lifestyle - sports cars and beautiful women. Ha, I thought that the red pill theory was that men have always worked hard because they had a loyal wife and family to support, and that they need those in order to be incentivized to contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 11:02 PM
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He's just noting that the hypothetical wouldn't change the fact that men know very well that hot women exist. There wouldn't be porn, but why would models and hot celebrities disappear from public view? You can certainly change the hypothetical a bit and say that we'd also become really puritanical about modest dress and makeup, so men are seeing way fewer hot women. In that hypothetical, many men still wouldn't be happy. Even without blatant sexuality, women still look like women, and men will …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 10:59 PM
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We don't look at an attractive woman, and compare her to others, or particularly take note of the context that she appears in. That's just not true in my experience. When I was younger and would go out with my friends, the hottest girl in the group would always get approached. If I went out with my friend T, she would get approached, not me. If I went out with L, I would get approached, not her. It was fairly predictable. Every guy wanted to try for the hottest one. Now, maybe there's a differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 10:16 PM
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Hypergamy isn't usually defined as seeking someone specifically of a higher social status. It's defined as seeking someone who is the best of the lot, whatever "best" means to the person. Some also define it as seeking the best of the lot + that person has to be better than you. If men seek the best looking women they can get, then they definitely meet the first definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 10:10 PM
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This is really accurate. The reality of the situation is hard to parse because it's unclear how much of it might be fixable for any given man at any given point in his life. There are a lot of unattractive forty year old men who might be very attractive if they worked hard... Or somewhat more attractive... Or maybe nothing could help. We'll never know, and it probably varies a lot. My theory is that the majority of men, say the middle 60% between the top and bottom 20%, can maximize their attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 02:41 AM
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beta bux Free cocaine Spot on. This is the lesser known beta bux for young girls, meant not for marrying and having babies with but for performing a number of services. Dorkier ones give rides and might get laid, but maybe not. The ones with a lot of social clout get you a more important social role in the party scene, and those do get fucked. Rich ones can be in either end of the spectrum, but which end they're at determines how long the girl sticks around after she gets what she needs. It's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/18 01:04 AM
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Oh, yeah. I just think that when a woman freaks out over insignificant shit, it's not really the cause of her not liking a guy. There need to be a lot of factors for a spark to happen and they're mostly subconscious. You're just hearing about one that made it into her conscious mind. I doubt that any woman has ever shot a guy down over something trivial, if she felt passion and excitement about him the minute before. Quite the contrary, she'll make excuses for all sorts of behavior if she does f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 09:41 PM
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I don't think men loathe sluts. We'll have to disagree on that one. Enough men loathe sluts, while sleeping with them, that there's a decent chance your casual sex partner will feel that way. I'm not sure how you can frequent the pill world and think otherwise, but maybe your definition of loath is unusual. Your first statement is neither here nor there. Doesn't it affect you when you're hanging out with people who don't like you, regardless of what activity you're doing, or why they feel that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 09:02 PM
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Using her for sex is not devaluing her. You're in a tiny minority of red pill guys if you think that. Odds are that a casual partner will think the opposite. As for the two statements you think are contradictory. Imagine that I like eating donuts, and that I don't think that There's anything wrong with it. I'm still not going to frequent a donut shop run by someone who loathes people who buy his donuts, because it makes my experience less enjoyable and I don't want to give him the business.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 08:45 PM
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He probably wouldn't care about me as a person. But he might be more courteous than a man who didn't have to pay. It's puzzling, but in any industry, you'll notice that people who get something for free value it less, and are less pleasant about it, than people who had to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 08:38 PM
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Hell YES. I'd even do it for less than that. I'd be fine with market rate for my area, as long as I didn't have to travel too far and his hygiene was decent. It would be fine if we had just met, as long as I could ensure that he wasn't a cop or abuser. Of course, in reality, I'd probably doubt that my accepting the offer could remain secret and never impact my career, so I'd also need to be totally anonymous to him. I've had plenty of guys think that they could fuck me for free, and do so, and v…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 07:55 PM
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I've also had women end things for the stupidest, most insignificant reasons - and I've seen them do it to other guys, too. If she's not ending it because of some scary red flag that you were throwing up, then she's ending it because she doesn't feel a spark, which is a very significant reason. Red pill guys are all about avoiding relationships where the woman isn't fully attracted, so I don't see why you're unhappy about this practice. In fact, guys are heavily critical of a woman continuing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 07:34 PM
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I can see this. On the other hand though, I've never really seen anyone from red pill argue that a divorced man, who's against remarrying to his current gf, just doesn't value her as much as he valued his ex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 07:20 PM
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I've always wondered if Ben Franklin was just lucky enough to encounter some older ladies with muscular farm girl asses, or maybe unlucky enough to sleep with some unfit young women. This is totally not true, our legs and asses decline at the same rate as everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 07:08 PM
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She probably thinks that it wouldn't make her happy to be in a situation where her fuck buddy himself, who obviously is in a position to think of her as easy, devalues her. Not everyone can train themselves out of giving a shit what some guy thinks during and after his exploration of her private spots. And frankly, the experience usually isn't enjoyable enough for us to try and get past that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 06:56 PM
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I noticed the shields go up with my friends, but much earlier than you suggest. Most of them had some sort of heartbreak by their late teens which they were still upset by years later. One of them even got an involuntary 72 hour commitment when her boyfriend broke up with her unexpectedly at 19 or 20, that breakup was one of the most traumatizing I've heard of because he was great and very invested in the future together one day, and then gone the next. Imo it's very hard to recover from that or…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 06:44 PM
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Haha, way too big a topic for this thread. But if you accept that there is such a thing as ethics involved in how human beings treat each other, then you can ask when actions are good or bad. Usually we think actions are bad when they harm others. But then we have to define harm, and we also have to acknowledge that we're willing to allow some harm for convenience sake, just not too much. So if, say, you're going to pretend to be in love with an eighteen year old virgin to deflower her ( somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 06:30 PM
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From a practical perspective, it doesn’t matter at all what the ultimate cause may be. If there was an large supply of great partners, that would be true. You could afford to only choose ones without any traits that are even correlated with infidelity. But almost everyone is going to have to settle for someone who has some traits that make them more likely to cheat and divorce. There are dozens of such traits. They include race, age at marriage (late 20s/early 30s is best), education, IQ, income…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/18 12:25 AM
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For sure, but we're talking about women being misogynistic, not misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:43 PM
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I agree that guys bond to that emotional, expressive stuff. Another issue (speaking from my own experience) is that a direct, masculine communication style means that a woman is not good at befriending other women generally. It's the "power talk" vs "real talk" dichotomy. Women need to be able to do power talk, well, in order to be really socially successful. I wouldn't be surprised if guys unconsciously place a higher premium on women who are great at it, because that skill goes a long way to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:40 PM
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I guess I would want answers to two questions about the ladder. 1) Is it useful? 2) Is the use of it ethical? I have no doubt that it's useful to an extent. I don't think it's necessarily a replacement for the inner emotional world that is supposed to drive interaction, I think that it more replaces a person's instinctive ways of communicating that world with learned ways. A person will almost always do this because their instinctive communication doesn't properly get across their inner world to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 11:19 PM
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Lol bb, I didn't down vote any of your comments. But if you think that was condescending, you must be new to the internet. Also, you're wrong (is that condescending?) about this idea that girls who don't approach are "behind" girls who do. Of course, the devil is in the details, and I am talking about young, pretty women, as you'll notice that older, less pretty women do tend to approach more. Young, pretty women receive more offers for dates with great guys than they can possibly accept if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 10:16 PM
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on the flip side guys could say "1) No woman is really all that interesting for me to want to get to know her better if I don't know anything about her to begin with." They wouldn't, because their attraction is much more physically based than ours. Men see a cute 7 across the room and are immediately very interested in fucking her that night. Women see a cute 7 across the room and have no context for his personality, so it's not enough stimulus. It would be like asking you to approach some girl …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 04:07 AM
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Because it is not my job to help you get laid tonight. That's your job. Other good reasons have been stated in thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 06:51 PM
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This is the only way it is really going to work. Anyone who says differently is looking at things from a bird's eye pov, not everyday interaction with a spouse. It's a constant interchange of "oh I see you're tired, let me help with what you're doing" and "God I'm tired, can I have a little help." Approaching things from an adding machine perspective won't really happen if you're with someone you love. If they can consistently bear to sit there while you work, knowing that they are less tired th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:52 PM
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The different ease of spread is offset by the fact that condoms are much more effective at preventing male to female transmission than vice versa, when dealing with those stds (hsv and hpv) that do get spread around the condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 09:32 PM
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If you look at other sub reddits and forums, you will see that men regularly catch feelings for their fuck buddies. Even happens with prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 09:27 PM
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So far what I'm getting from the reds is that it's still different because 1) wife might get pregnant and force husband to unknowingly raise child, 2) wives don't fuck husbands while cheating, and 3) the marriage trade has historically been resources for fidelity and children. Of course #1 can be stopped now with very available effective birth control and paternity testing, #2 needs some sort of cite, and #3 may be true for some modern marriages but definitely has been well renegotiated between …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/18 09:24 PM
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Same here. To be fair though, I mostly see it in red pill and mgtow places, and think that a lot of those conversations are less about articulating a coherent viewpoint than venting anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 03:37 AM
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You know, there's something to this. However, my take is that people don't care nearly as much about inequality as long as their needs are being met. I'd say that you can have an unequal system as long as no one is going homeless or hungry. The ethics of forcing people to fuck and partner with others they're not into, in the name of meeting basic needs, are head spinning and a lot different from partial wealth redistribution through taxes. But we don't need to get into that, because we have a pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 03:15 AM
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Catch 22 is right. I've seen them try to resolve it by saying that she has to be able to support herself with good honest work, just not in a career of the type that second wave feminists fought for. What this means is slogging away in a low paid pink collar track, of course, and cue the moaning fifteen years later about how she has contributed so little to their finances, and the entitlement to have her worship him for his sacrifices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 02:45 AM
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Yes. It's bad advice for both sexes because it leaves out key info. Men need both sexual skills and alpha traits to satisfy a woman long term. Doubtless op enjoys having sex where her partner tries to please her and where they share an intimate connection, but I'd wager that he still has a good amount of confidence and idgaf, even though he isn't as hot as the lazy hookups of the past. If he was a meek little nerd, no amount of technique would make him a satisfactory lay, especially after the li…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 02:27 AM
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The second wave argument has been made, and made well, as long as you buy into a premise that most if not all gendered behavior is learned. Ok, assuming that premise, imagine that the world is filled only with males. At birth, half of the males are randomly chosen to actualize themselves in whatever way they can or want to, and they are given lofty goals to attain. The other half are consigned to a life of serving the first half, with their value revolving around how well they do that, and with …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 07:00 PM
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+1. Of all the easily fact checked things that trp consistently gets wrong, this is near the top. Self aware tradcons might oppose prostitution because they fear the weakening of women's sexual power over men. Second wave feminism, on the other hand, has rejected the exercise of such sexual power as having no place in an egalitarian world. Anti prostitution feminists come directly out of second wave theory and see prostitution as beguiling women into using "power" which actually traps them in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 05:15 PM
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Besides the adventurousness and lifestyle stuff already mentioned, I could make a case for a particular high n count woman by telling you that there are only so many women you can really hit it off with, and if she's one of the few that you have met, then you should pursue it. This is as long as you aren't feeling any innate repulsion at her past, which of course would make you incompatible. If you are worried about her stability and divorce risk, you can take a look at the many other predictors…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 10:40 PM
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So... They were horsing around in the car, he playfully pushed her head down, and she said no so he let her up? Lol she must be so traumatized
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 09:45 PM
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Agree that the portrayal of the men wasn't bad. I think that men are usually willing to accept male characters who are flawed, but showing them to be flawed in comparison to women is really pissing off some people. The ppd folk have persuaded me that Rey is more of a Mary Sue than Luke, mainly because of the fact that you can't interpret the timeline to give her more than a few weeks training. I thought that Leia and the admiral were not believable. However, my problem is with the writing. I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:58 PM
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It's not exactly as bad as that. You can trust that straight women and gay men are not after your "25k." Because half the population has "25k," men who do want sex with women have plenty of different ones they can pursue and are generally not incentivized to take desperate, anti social actions against one who won't give it up. Even if they did want to, most men are socialized such that they won't do it. And even if they would do it, there are a lot more situations in which you can be assured tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 08:00 PM
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You're not totally wrong, but feminism has always also advocated for women to have the opportunity for a good job and financial independence, and the harder feminists are usually anti marriage. Second wave goals have been accomplished such that we have removed a lot of female dependency from society. Might I take it that you subscribe to such feminist principles, and are not one of the red pillers who hates "career women" and wants marriage 1.0 back?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/18 07:23 PM
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Why would you punish an individual for the sins of other people? Shouldn't your revenge be on someone who has wronged you, or at least on someone you know has wronged someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:21 PM
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There has never been a point to being morally good against your own best interest, as an individual, if you can get away with not being so. There is absolutely no reason to do it except not wanting to feel bad about yourself or worry that you will go to hell. If being morally good in certain situations is against your sexual best interest, then there's no logical reason to do it, unless it is good for your other interests. We have generally set up the world so that "immoral" behaviors get punish…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 09:09 PM
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Because women's attractiveness is front loaded, and men go through a decade or more of adult purgatory before they start to find themselves relatively on the climb. This experience makes guys bitter, it's hard to see your future potentially more attractive self as something concrete and emotionally disengage from current problems, and once they do become more attractive, they tend to hold on to the bad memories. If they were able to keep things in perspective, that would really help them. Howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 08:41 PM
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Purple. Like someone else said, I fear him leaving if I go too far. I also fear him getting mad and saying rude stuff, which he does from time to time. But I've never feared for my safety. When he's annoyed or mad he has two modes, one where he goes quiet and moves away from me, and another where he starts yelling and eventually simmers down into the first mode. He is a lot bigger than me, but I don't feel any physical threat during those times. Yes, I often avoid doing things that would piss hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 04:26 PM
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This is incorrect. Men slut shame all the time, and they do it for categories of women who behave in a certain way, not just women they personally know. All you need to do is read the pill forums around reddit and the internet to see this. Any number of ppd discussions will show you male contributors enthusiastically slut shaming general groups of women. Of course real life slut shaming from men can be made to support your theory because any girl in a man's life can be considered a potential par…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 04:10 PM
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let's be realistic, if the girl is good he'll stay Yeah, this is true. It's kind of BS when women complain that "all" guys nowadays are players and won't commit. Most men would love to have a girlfriend — but she has to have certain qualities and really click with them. Women who are having trouble need to look at themselves, improve what's flawed, and then pick guys who are in a realistic range.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 05:08 PM
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Only if you "just happen" to do it the morning after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:58 PM
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Came on here to say this and saw that you already did. The OP confuses the issue, perhaps deliberately, perhaps not. The problem comes when the guy has already decided not to provide what she wants, but continues to try and get what he wants. It's amusing to see a bunch of red pillers hamster around this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:58 PM
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If women want to keep their privileged position as the passive party well then they are going to have to deal with guys coming after them. And men can deal with the creepiness issue if they're going to actively approach to get pussy. And let's face it, you guys actively approach because you have massive out of control libidos, it has nothing to do with what we want, so why would we smooth the path for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 04:09 AM
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No one is suggesting that these situations you describe involve trickery. Obviously they mean the method of having a couple of nice dates, revealing lots of personal information, maybe even hearing him say that he's looking for something serious, and then bam ghosted after she sleeps with him. Maybe it's sometimes due to a revelation of sexual incompatibility, but there are also times when the guy already knows he won't see her again after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:59 AM
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Women give Chad iois, so they aren't surprised when he picks up on it and starts responding. If they don't signal interest and some guy starts in with very flirtatious behavior, then he has fucked up his social cues -- hence, creepy. The difference lies in whether a social cue was followed or ignored/misinterpreted. And yes, women are going to give those cues to attractive guys, not unattractive ones. Unattractive men are rarely in a situation where heavy flirting is an appropriate response to s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/18 12:40 AM
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It's all on a sliding scale. Look a little bit better, and you can get away with a more attainable level of charm and status. There aren't discrete categories separated by bright lines except those that I mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 10:03 PM
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I obviously don't know you, but unattractive men generally have to meet a high personality bar, and most don't. You would need to be really confident and charismatic to make it work. I've known only a few guys who did it so well that they routinely batted out of their league. They did succeed, though. One was a short, skinny fat guy with homely features and premature balding who had idgaf down pat by 20, has developed a successful multi state business from nothing, dominates whatever conversatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 09:00 PM
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It also depends on the attractiveness of the woman you're approaching, aka what her other options are. Assuming that you're going after a reasonably pretty young woman, you probably can't be morbidly obese, facially disfigured or deformed, or over about seventy years old. If you're just on the other side of those problems -- i.e. fairly fat, ugly, or well into middle age -- you can probably get the job done by having great charm or status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:48 PM
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Maybe. I think it's more of a socially progressive vs socially conservative thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:20 PM
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It requires a really fucking good man. That's exactly the issue, and why sharing ends up in a catch 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:17 PM
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Most women here seem to be partnered, so of course they don't care who guys date. Single women who aren't having dating problems also won't care. Single women who have trouble may resent men in their league for holding out for young hotties, especially if they can't even get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 08:13 PM
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Yeah, maybe that's fair. I'm not too monogamously inclined in general, and neither are various folks I've known, but likely other women are farther along the spectrum toward needing exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 01:55 PM
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I just believe in a more fleshed out version of red pill ideas that is more realistic and less about serving the male ego. Most great and brilliant people are men. However, most men live in the large part of the Bell curve, where their intellect is equal to that of lots of women, so Einstein's sex is irrelevant to their lives. The wall is real. I don't have any major qualifiers there. Maybe that it takes a lot of effort for men to avoid their own middle aged decline (which they mostly don't do),…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/18 04:08 AM
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Agree. Red pill women is the only movement I've seen that focuses on women's sexual strategy, but they refuse to discuss it without moralizing about what it "should" be, and the "should" prevents an exploration of anything but tradcon ideals. Thus it's helpful in getting tradcon advice, but nothing else. Feminism has done much more to push the envelope, but its sexual strategy, such as it is, usually leads to pushing men away. The default setting is wgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 03:32 PM
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How do you know about the makeup of trp? I've browsed for quite some time and rarely see people identifying their ethnic background. Plenty of presumably white men posting on white nationalist forums about not being able to get a woman in today's society etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 04:17 PM
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The radfems are almost universally unattractive, so probably wouldn't even register as " women" to the incels. The incels would display a lack of disgusting alpha characteristics that would confound the radfems, who were expecting to feel threatened. Both groups would studiously ignore each other and make it out alive, still griping about their respective issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 03:53 PM
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Yes. If you want your daughters to be subservient brood mares, that would be an excellent choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 03:46 AM
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It depends on what you view as "success."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 10:31 PM
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It depends on the definition of hypergamy, and for such a widely used concept in the pill world, there isn't much consensus on what is being hated. I don't think you have to be unsuccessful sexually, or even a man, to look down on branch swinging that happens within a committed relationship. That is promise breaking and damages individuals and families. I don't think it's just non Chad's who roll their eyes at women who refuse to date guys who would actually commit to them, while wanting commitm…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 10:23 PM
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Good Lord. Might I recommend seeing prostitutes. Go to Tijuana.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 09:39 PM
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Luckily my dad didn't think that a sexual relationship with a not great guy would somehow break me as a person. He didn't intervene when I was 17 and dating a 24yo. My parents are very traditional, but by that time it was clear that I was poised to rebel anyway. The smart thing was to give me less to push back against, while keeping an eye out for stuff that could actually damage my future like drug addiction or pregnancy. I had a high school friend who dated a 36yo married guy when we were abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 09:25 PM
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Some of the absolute craziest rebels I have known were raised as evangelical Christians. You want to be careful how hard you clamp down.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 09:19 PM
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My husband and I met when both in our late twenties, and he's shown me all sorts of cool new stuff. He's been to loads of places I haven't and had some crazy experiences. We continue to have new adventures. Just lead an interesting life, move around, do lots of different stuff and you'll be able to teach new things to anyone. I don't understand needing an adolescent for this unless you have barely progressed as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 07:26 AM
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Yeah, I've seen this pairing. The real detriment is to the guy's offspring, if he has them with a woman who doesn't have as many good qualities as someone he could have ended up with when younger. Obviously if a guy really becomes excellent as he gets older, he can have both youth and beauty in a partner. This is possible, although it requires more than just keeping a steady 9-5 and not getting overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 10:04 PM
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There's a spectrum to how much people need to rebel before they can feel that they've chosen boring adult things freely. People should act according to where they fall on that spectrum, without doing anything they don't want to do. Everyone should be wary of getting a partner whose past virtue and abstinence were forced by circumstance, rather than freely chosen. That's especially true if the other partner did get to have their fun before the relationship, as the feeling that things are unfair c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 06:09 PM
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Men appreciate youth so much that they'll add points to your peaking 6 just for being 20yo, taking her above the 30yo 7 in that way. The scale isn't exactly what you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 05:28 PM
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Yeah. Been there. It was kind of true, unfortunately, as it may be with your friend. She needs to learn how to act socially, in the same way she would learn writing or math.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 08:57 AM
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In the nineties and until the mid 2000s or later even, women were supposed to be toothpicks with little, perky butts, Barbie doll slender thighs and massive boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 08:52 AM
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This girl's life sounds kind of lonely. I feel for her because I myself had shit social skills when younger (not that they're so great now). Obviously being hot doesn't magically solve her problems. But it sure makes things better than they would be if she was plain. Better to have attention, and a boyfriend, and people talking to her, than to be totally overlooked. Hopefully she will eventually build some social skills due to all the opportunities she has to interact with people, and due to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:57 AM
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Was attractive when younger. No, there aren't really negatives. Granted that there may sometimes be attention from crazies, but the general experience of lots of attention is good, and in any case I've heard stories of negative and angry encounters had by people all over the attractiveness scale. Some say that attractive women aren't taken seriously professionally: not true in my experience. People will take you seriously in the professional world if you have the proper credentials. They are not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/17 01:50 AM
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What physiological reactions are you talking about? Are there studies? I'd be interested in that, but your examples of cultural things that indicate latent same sex attraction aren't particularly compelling. For what it's worth, I also think that more men have some same sex attraction than anyone wants to admit. This is based on personal experiences of talking with guys who present as totally hetero. There's definitely a spectrum though, which you yourself said in your op. It's hard to say defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:43 PM
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Yes, I certainly understand where the bitterness comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:41 PM
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They worry more than you would think. These things can be made up out of whole cloth. Husband knew a guy in college who very nearly got kicked out for assaulting a girl. Then they found video footage of the campus room where he had allegedly done it. He had definitely not assaulted her and everyone had to admit that. It's hard to understand why someone would make up such a thing, but it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:21 PM
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Wrong, that's the general incel sperg consensus Yeah. It actually functions as an argument that a woman "feels" assaulted based on the guy's attractiveness, not on his actions. It is not incompatible with hot guys getting accused of rape as a cya move from a cheating woman, though, as presumably she knows damn well that she wanted it at the time and is outright lying, as opposed to feeling assaulted because beta Bob brushed her leg. This is within the incel universe of course. I suppose to be re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 09:04 PM
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This exactly. Plus the assurance that the man you're with actually intends to stick with you forever, and isn't merely prolonging something that's comfortable. But yeah, the social prestige. Although it doesn't matter when you're a young, pretty butterfly flitting from date to date, after a certain age a single woman is thought of not as someone who's maximizing her fun and options, but as someone who failed to play the game properly. Even if in an unmarried ltr, people will think that you shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 06:18 PM
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Op, the men on this sub are not exactly representative of ones you will encounter, because they are in a minority that obsesses over gender relations stuff. So take what they say with a grain of salt. There are plenty of men who want a stable, loving relationship. Some of the attractive ones your age are still busy determinedly sowing their wild oats and will be ready in a few Years. However, there are also attractive college age boys who get into relationships, or there were ten years ago when …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 05:57 PM
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Immature or dishonest female friends play a big role in this. Some are stuck in a high school mindset of finding only the hottest guys attractive, and they'll "eww" at a more average guy without accounting for the attractiveness of the girl he's dating. That slowly disappears with age as most women end up dating average guys and can't sustain the fantasy. Others just want the points for telling their friend that she's gorgeous and shouldn't settle, and instinctively know that saying anything els…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 05:26 PM
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My husband and I have never planned to have kids. Why did he want to get married? Girlfriend (me) was pushing for it and he wanted to stay together. He had always wanted the social recognition of being a married guy, having grown up poor and never meeting his biological dad. He thought there was more stability in a married relationship, given all of the tribulations and unevenness in life. A girlfriend might leave, but a wife isn't supposed to. He saw it as the ultimate expression of love. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 03:07 AM
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I'm merely trying to convey that you can manipulate social media. If hot girls have different numbers of followers, that is likely because one of them followed a better strategy to be noticed. It's not just taking a photo and going pick me, pick me, otherwise there wouldn't be jobs where people are hired specifically to develop a social media presence. You're saying that it's easier to succeed in a video game? Maybe that depends on the game. I played myst and riven back in the day, I recall them…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 10:32 PM
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Disagree. It's rare for an early to mid twenty something to have the same discernment and wisdom as a thirty plus person. Women when at the height of their beauty are usually too inexperienced to make it work properly for them and easily choose wrong, or choose right and then mess things up. Do-overs are much more limited. A woman gets in a ltr for a few years and it doesn't go well, now she's 25. Gets into another one and it breaks up, now she's 29. A man can choose poorly a number of times, fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 09:12 PM
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I'm not sure about most women. I was aware of it from the time I was a teenager and lived accordingly. I see some women making choices that suggest they don't realize, but I've had conversations with women where we both agreed that the time for hotness is limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 08:57 PM
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Real life people operate on pretty predictable patterns. Sometimes advertising and marketing don't work as intended, but if the product is as simple and obvious as a hot girl, there's no real mystery as to how folks will react.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 08:48 PM
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I think we mostly agree, although this Playing to and taking advantage of your strengths as a woman while young will not help you when you are older, Isn't quite true. A young woman can and should lock down a husband who will stay as she ages. There's a way to turn that youthful advantage into a lifelong benefit. As far as partying and stuff while young, one analogy is to a person who comes into a lot of money, with the caveat that it will all disappear once he turns 35 no matter what he does. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:57 PM
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Oh I don't mean that you should get buff, I was suggesting a thin but very muscular look. Every Victoria's secret model and miss America contestant goes for this. You should see their six packs. Getting very thin is not going to help you look younger, unfortunately. Quite the opposite is true once you get past thirty or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:50 PM
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Yeah, you might have to be a lot more involved while playing a video game, but that doesn't speak to a greater level of control over the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:46 PM
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Worldly experience and general competence is a key aspect of masculinity, and this is hard to achieve for younger men. Is the same true for women? Unfortunately not. Middle aged and older women are easily seen as foolish and irrelevant, while their male peers benefit professionally from getting older (unless in entertainment). An older woman can overcome this bias, but she'll have to work on every new person she meets. Sexually? Aging has a negative impact on the majority of men, even many who g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:40 PM
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It's in a sense a submissive platform because all the power is in other people's hands, as they determine how many likes and followers you get. You don't have direct control at all. I don't 100% disagree about the submissive element in validation seeking, but I'd say that men and women have about even control through their respective platforms. There is a formula that works on Instagram, and if you hit it, you will get attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 06:27 PM
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Where are you getting this physical ideal. Why not try for a curvaceous and muscular Instagram or Victoria's secret look instead. Requires a lot more hard work than merely eating less I suppose, you'd actually have to work out on the daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:10 PM
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I lurked on there back in the day. I don't think I was actively reading when the split happened, but I came back a few weeks later. It looked to me as though the rpw mods had become fed up with various posts and comments, made by men, advising women not to seek marriage and perhaps offering other advice to promote the male agenda. The mods created a new sub, I'm guessing that they weren't able to exercise enough control over rpw to change it. There likely were some personalities involved too. Rp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 03:52 PM
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Depends on where in North America. I've noticed that in more old school (not necessarily conservative) areas, men will still do things like hold an elevator door until every woman gets off. Is that nice? Yes. Necessary? Not in the least. Is chivalry generally preferable to equality, if we have to choose one or the other? Nope. Trp wants to imagine that women would be screwed without the help of random men. It's a nice revenge fantasy, but most chivalrous gestures are totally unnecessary. Some st…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 03:27 PM
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Thank you. Of all trp ideas, the one that absent women, men would laze around doing just enough to get by and live in a large, welcoming brotherhood has got to be one of the furthest from the truth. Most ideas have a grain of truth; this one has its roots in the fact that status has always played a role in getting a wife, but if you took that away, men still have so many other reasons to succeed and dominate that there would be little difference. And as has been said, the desire to have a high s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 02:48 PM
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I thought he was reasonably attractive, like most guys I went on dates with at the time. Your neighbor whom you notice when he picks up the mail, your co-worker whose love life you wonder about, about that level. Guy-next-door. He brought an extra chemistry factor that the other guys didn't have, so I was really excited about seeing him again. Once I got sexually interested, I started to notice a lot of things about him that were really hot. Giant feet and hands, perfect forearms, narrow hips, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 03:18 AM
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Underlying confidence is supposed to be the driver, such that if you have it you can do whatever you damn please. On the other hand, doing what you damn please can sometimes be a mistake that leads to the erosion of the underlying confidence. So exercise caution. Worry about it too much or not enough and you can start to screw yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 06:55 PM
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Lol, you would need to actually read this stuff to determine that it's unreasonable. Hard to argue that it's more unreasonable than awalt though. They basically said that all males identifying as men had certain traits, that those traits have a certain effect on women, and that effect is inherently oppressive. The first and second parts are not something I see trp objecting to. The third part involves a perspective that you would need to read to understand, but it's not as easy to rebut as you t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:29 PM
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Some of them do exactly what they want. These are UC men, not UMC, because when you own the resources you have less of a need to impress anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:17 PM
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Lived in a few major coastal metros in the United States. Like the opposite of op here. Young, hot girls of my acquaintance always were dating broke, young guys who were "cool," as in being a bartender, musician, or working at a dispensary. I did know one who dated a very rich older dude who was in the same party scene (would throw parties at his house) but was also sleeping with hot young guys at the same time (older dude didn't expect monogamy). Some women switched to more stable and richer gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/17 04:03 PM
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Circa 2010 or so, I spent a good amount of time hanging on a couple of radfem communities online. They indeed claimed that all men were inherently oppressive etc. There was even a term "notmynigel" that got trotted out when a woman would comment saying that her boyfriend really wasn't like that. Then men would post arguing that they weren't like that, and got jeered. Yeah. The inverse exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 03:36 PM
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I am a female redditor. I regularly say that this pairing happens. 18 to 21, a little less common. Most college girls with statusy social circles won't do it. But more marginalized college girls will. In addition, girls not in school may have a more mixed circle and be willing to do it. 21 to 25 year olds, game on. Once they graduate college, they are much more open to it. By 25, very little stigma to dating a 35 year old. Of course tinder may have changed things from what I remember, even the p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 04:17 PM
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Yes. This is pretty true. What makes it just a little more complicated is that men often seem to love playful, bubbly childishness in a woman both because it allows them to act protective AND because it allows them to enter the play space and become silly and playful themselves, in a way that they could never do anywhere else. I've consistently found that silly romping around really bonds a man to me, it's been the cornerstone of my major relationships that we can do this together. I think it le…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:29 PM
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But what you just described is high powered men caring about their wives accomplishments. I'll agree that women care more intensely and are narrower in what they'll accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:15 PM
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How many successful lawyers do you know who married a bottle service or similar girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:11 PM
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The confusion is in the fact that UMC men have different priorities than UC men and are a separate group. UMC men need to prove and maintain status more to stay where they are, and their status markers are a little different from those of UC men. They get a boost from being seen with a doctor wife, and if she was a bartender instead, then their own UMC status becomes suspect. So they care very much about marrying someone with some accomplishments. UC men are less worried on the whole about slidi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:07 PM
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If that was what red pillers said, there would never be any disagreement between them and other people. Obviously a woman needs to be attractive enough first before anything else about her matters. No, they say that they don't care about a woman's job or accomplishments for relationships. They say it over and over, I have hung out in rpw a little bit and it's the party line there too. It's not clear that they want a sahw though, it's more about not wanting a career woman (tm). To say that after …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 05:55 PM
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It's acceptable for a woman to be selfish. Even a red pill one. This is a pejorative with no meaning. What would be far weirder is if some woman had, creepily, achieved some sort of yes honey total selflessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 04:30 PM
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The men who traditionally have gotten multiple wives weren't hawt, they were just guys who had accumulated a lot of resources, either themselves or their family or both. They don't get adoring wives, they get women who marry them for the resources. That was considered to be a fine deal at one point. But now, most women have a companionate marriage, life long lover ideal, and spending the rich guy's money doesn't fulfill like it used to. Parents don't push the resources marriage like they used to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 04:23 PM
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The other guy claimed that a fact is true, i.e. That women were not allowed to possess currency. People are not questioning an inference that was made ("women were not allowed to possess money, and therefore...") They are questioning the fact. No Socratic method technique is going to prove whether something happened or not, thus citations are necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 03:05 PM
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1) Me. 31. Married to a pretty perfect guy so no complaints. Random men don't hit on me nearly as much as they used to, but that's the only real difference. 2) My mom. Divorced around fifty, didn't date again. That is because she was super bitter and didn't want to though, she looks good for her age even now and could find someone otherwise. Craziness has solidified and she is alone while my dad has remarried to a fifteen years younger woman, every red pillers wet dream. 3) Woman in my husband's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 03:52 PM
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As many here have said, men in their thirties can and do simply date younger women. That's why there is no actual female advantage. We get it good for about ten to fifteen years, then men have the upper hand for the next forty years. Funny enough, when I say this, trp guys suddenly are of the opinion that it's exceedingly rare for older men to successfully date younger women. It's what every teenage girl should know. Have the absolute best time taking advantage of your high smv now, things will …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 03:25 PM
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I guess I'm in the tiny minority. Wouldn't care in the least. Would not view it as a red flag. This has actually come up before and it was fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 11:45 PM
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Well, he's not a sex symbol anymore. But tbf maybe he's tired of that
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 11:33 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 11:32 PM
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Lol I'm getting a sense of what the black pill is, well done.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:43 AM
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I meet these women all the time. They're normal people who want to have and maintain a real relationship, and often do. Not all professional women are a mean, self obsessed 80s movie caricature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:28 AM
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Men normally aim to peak in their thirties because they can't peak younger. Peaking younger is about a combination of good looks and great social skills. If you don't have enough of that stuff naturally, then you have to spend extra time getting career status and developing your social skills. If you have the option of peaking in your twenties, though, it's still not wise to maximize that at the expense of the rest of your life. Better to work hard in school and spend less time on women than to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:21 AM
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Crazy. I'm extremely surprised that he doesn't get hair implants, it would solve like 80% of his problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:13 AM
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It sounds like there's a distinction red pillers make between gold digger and wannabe housewife, does that sound right? Both want to stay at home, but the second has intentions of being a partner? Is there such a distinction between career women (tm) and normal women who contribute financially and as half of a "power couple"? I never see this distinction being openly made on the pill sites, but whenever red pillers gripe about women's lack of accomplishments, intellect, and moneymaking aptitude,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:09 AM
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There is no discernible difference between the relationship men have to male models vs the relationship women have to female models.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 02:50 AM
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I only wish that a husband could be like the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 02:48 AM
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Because then we'd have to look for relevance in the vast number of fantasies men have about sexually submitting to women, and might have to conclude based on the stuff you guys masturbate about that y'all secretly want a matriarchy. Or we could just say that people's sexual fantasies are certainly influenced by real world dynamics, but don't form a coherent basis for how things "should" be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 05:44 PM
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A good choice for those who are very strong. Being a woman, and subject to a conflict between my need for genuine protection and my need for personal growth, I prefer a system that provides the former via multiple sources that all check each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 03:49 AM
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And what a beautiful order this might be, if only the two layers of protectors could and would actually offer protection. Especially from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 02:33 AM
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This has definitely not happened with every male friend, but it's happened. My experience is unusual because I was a horribly socially awkward, yet very pretty young woman. The realization that my male friends were only there so that they could try to fuck me was disturbing when I really had no other friends. Like, "welp, those people don't genuinely like me either." I'd imagine that I wouldn't care if it didn't assail my self worth in that way. If I had had a circle of people who loved me, I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 12:54 AM
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I gave someone else the long version, and I'll give you the short version. Compare a Victoria's secret model to the average thin woman who doesn't "step foot into a gym" or have exceptional genetics. That is the same as the difference between your perfect male body versus an average thin man who doesn't work out or have exceptional genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 10:42 PM
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You say wobbly thighs, sagging tits, etc. Those things don't happen if you're thin. They do once you start to age. That was one of the main points in my first comment. To be effortlessly near the ideal, as a thin woman, is something you only get for about a decade. After that, you either work hard for the same tight, youthful body, like a man does for his muscular body, or your skinny-fat ass slides into irrelevance. And that's without having a baby. I lived near the beach for a while and saw lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 09:40 PM
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Men only care about two things to make up 90%+ of attractiveness: face and being thin. Utter bullshit. You did not grasp what I said in my first sentence, and you are still conflating the acceptable female body with the ideal one. Really, any thin female body is at or near the ideal? You think that there is a lingerie modeling contract or a ltr with Chad awaiting a BMI 20 35 year old with: An untoned, flabby ass? Sagging tits? Stretch marks and sagging on her stomach? Wobbly thighs? You think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 09:03 PM
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You are comparing the ideal male body with the acceptable female body. At no point in time has the ideal female body been more easily attainable than the lean, buff guy in magazines. The hourglass shape has always been favored; only a very small number of women naturally have that shape. Most women tend toward thighs that are too thick and boobs that are too small, even when they're slim. The big booty shape that's in vogue now is similarly unattainable for most. Now let's say that we're talking…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:20 PM
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Any examples that you can remember? As a millennial, I love hate-reading those kinds of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 11:47 PM
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No. I'd imagine that red pillers are breathlessly waiting for people to back this woman, though, because they want to view the sexual assault stuff as an attack on the male sex. Unfairness that's not based in sex is just less fun to get mad about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 10:26 PM
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It's a plausible explanation for why it happens, when it happens. I've belonged to some girls only Facebook groups, sort of large ones where you don't know most of the others in real life. Once or twice, some girl has posted a narrative of her terrible date that says things were non consensual. Saying stuff like "he was an asshole, we went to bed together and he kept touching me and trying to fuck me all night, even though I really didn't want to. We had sex and I just wanted to be out of there …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 09:21 PM
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I want to be a man in a wig. Respectfully, why? If you want to be more masculine, why not get jacked and start going for the bull dyke thing? If you don't, then I can assure you that nothing compares to the power of being a BMI 19-20 hourglass/big booty girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:24 PM
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Honey it's not the ground that I'm bouncing off these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 03:31 PM
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I've known one guy who had this happen to him. As near as I can figure out why she did it, it goes like this. They had consensual, drunken sex. She suggested it, took her tampon out beforehand, and was on top for most of it. A couple of months later, his stock in the group had fallen and a few people were mad at him for non sexual things. That's when she went to the police and claimed rape. Then they sent a detective out and the guy, against all good advice but ultimately to his benefit, told th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 03:19 PM
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I think that my data point can do the most good here if you simply imagine it being whatever would put a smile on your face for the rest of the day, and a bounce in your step. No, I'll tell you. I'm actually now fucking 8-10 BBC in rotation. Haven't given it to hubby in months but he likes getting off to the videos more anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 02:46 PM
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Excellent, you won't get upset about this stuff again then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 02:42 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense and something like that may be going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 02:41 PM
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Yeah, I'd generally agree with the black listing part. It is destructive. I'm not going to say that I think we as people should ask for a criminal Court standard of proof before we punish someone by something like a harsh civil judgment, but something like clear and convincing evidence would be nice. There isn't even a preponderance for some of these guys. There's also different levels of things that can be done if you have some credible people alleging sexual assault or harassment on the one ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 02:39 PM
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Haha, like fucking around isn't the centerpiece of fun for the red pill. I'm sorry that what is fun has not been biologically designed around what other people can do to make you, personally, happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 02:30 PM
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Yes, it's not for the totally messed up or the unlucky. However, it seemed to be the most cathartic choice for some who grew up in ye olde God fearing home and were going totally nuts by 18. Ymmv
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 06:19 AM
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This seems correct. Tbh it's been a long, overly caffeinated day and maybe my conflation of cc riding with general youthful mayhem isn't working for this discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:20 AM
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No way, is that all there is to that study? I find it so hard to believe that slutty women suddenly shut up shop after 30, to the tune of 70-80%. Aren't we supposed to be either plates for hot guys, or married to a BB and also as plate for hot guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:16 AM
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It's not sex and love that I mean in this discussion. The experience for good girls still likely involves romance when young. I mean wild abandon, spontaneous trips, drugs, and having a really good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:14 AM
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Yeah. It worked really well for me and, I daresay, for most of the ppd ladies from what I've read about their pasts and presents. I've known some women who did things right when young and tried to break into having fun at a later age. It was not at all what it would have been if they had still had their youthful prettiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:06 AM
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Missing out. Funnily enough, I was just discussing with someone this mid twenties girl we know who is heavily Christian and good girl. Assuming that she is chaste, doesn't party and all the rest, she is not having nearly as much fun as she should have, and she only has a couple more years to do it. We assume that since she moved to our major city from the middle of nowhere, she wants to do the fun stuff you do in the city as a young person. But she still is doing the whole church thing instead, …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 03:00 AM
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If you yourself hold everyone to a moral standard, then judging is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 12:00 AM
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Because sexual strategy is amoral, as y'all trumpet on trp and mrp when describing how men cheat on or toy with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 10:50 PM
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While what you wrote is an amusing thought experiment, I would have to reject the premise that men cheat the one reason, and women for the other reason. There are plenty of men who only cheat once they have totally given up on their wife, signaling the end of their effort on the relationship. There are plenty of women who are attracted to multiple attractive men at the same time and have trouble saying no to their urges. For both sexes, a higher amount of loyalty and love for ones partner is gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 07:45 PM
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I'm agreeing with you, dude. Go on and read what I wrote next. Seriously, reading comprehension and stop letting your emotions run your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 07:32 PM
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When she cheats it's a wholesale rejection of the man she's cheating on. I thought that you didn't get into women's internal processes, and only developed theories of behavioral cause and effect for them. How do you know what her cheating means to her? How do you know that it always means what you described? Do you think that maybe you don't know whether women sometimes cheat while still being attracted to their current partner? Do you think that men never lose attachment to their current partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 03:24 AM
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Ok, you're finally saying something I can agree with. Yes, due process is an inalienable right. I'm glad we can agree that it exists as a right, independently of how people monkey with it. Might I suggest that you likely feel the same about bodily autonomy, and the previous discussion should have been about conflicting rights. I'm gonna have to point out that legal due process is alive and well, and hasn't come into play in these cases because not one of the guys has been charged. You are asking…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 11:00 PM
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You don't appear to know what bodily autonomy is, or what it's been considered to be throughout history. Do you think it's only recently that governments have enacted laws about various kinds of assault? Please go read something about human rights and natural law so you can fully develop your arguments. Try Locke and Henkin.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 10:24 PM
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You are confused. We're talking about whether rights exist, not how we should enforce them. Separate questions that you have to learn how to differentiate before you can fully participate in the first discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 10:16 PM
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Surely you don't think that everyone has to partake in creating something in order for it to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 10:12 PM
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This is exactly what I would recommend for getting the best guy. After she has him, it's time to add in a bunch of wifey behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 03:02 AM
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Stylish, kind of. Always very casual as everyone is where I'm from, but only combining things that look fine together and staying away from certain fashion abominations. Able to dress up to impress his friends. I think my husband cares about this a little bit, but it's more that he doesn't have to see me wearing anything ugly or frumpy. Non slutty, not at all. Always been fairly slutty and come off as even more so than I actually am. Got married without hiding anything. Never let him know that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 02:42 AM
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You're looking at the symptom, not the problem. You are associating crying with incompetence. However, incompetence and weakness is what you really see as childish -- quite rightly. If we had a person who cries frequently but never lets it stand in the way of getting shit done, and we had someone else who never cried and also shirked their responsibilities constantly, the second one would be the child. The crying is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 02:12 AM
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Rights are entitlements. philosophers and leaders all over the world, throughout time, have agreed on as much. The disagreements are over which rights are more important and which must give way to others, and not every belief system agrees on the same rights. But your viewpoint that rights are something your neighbor gives you, and don't exist otherwise, is disagreed with by most. If that were true then we would never work to improve any system that shits on people. We would say that we don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 01:35 AM
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Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was a bit shocked at your numbers so I looked it up and found that those are for Chicago, current year. Still, nationwide rate of unsolved homicides is about one third which is surprising. Since our penalties sometimes don't get enforced, would you like to do away with them altogether? Is there some benefit you see in such an action, which outweighs the harm,? Do you quantify the harm of getting rid of the penalties in terms of a percentage, so that it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:21 AM
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I find your view of things pretty interesting. You explained below how you're not emotionally intimate, but how does the lack of intellectual connection work? When you're discussing current events and values, aren't you both fairly engaged mentally in analyzing each other's points? If you disagree, do you try to explain your train of thought to each other? You must have a sense of your husband's opinions about things, you don't ever learn of something and go "hmm I wonder what he'd say about thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/17 12:06 AM
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Why don't you consider what the world would be like if we didn't ensure the right to bodily autonomy. Utter chaos, in which you yourself almost certainly wouldn't fare well unless you're able to retain a small army to protect yourself. This isn't just a theory, it can be observed in every conflict zone around the world. Results in very nasty lives for most people. Why not let most people live their lives in fear of assault? You're correct that there's no logical reason why we protect other peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 10:31 PM
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Quite enforceable, actually. Most every society to ever exist has had laws about respecting other people's bodily integrity, and has enforced them with things like police, courts, and jail. No, you can't legally penalize every violation, but you can make a clear rule that defines the crime. Not only is it doable, it's been done for millennia.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/17 10:15 PM
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Is it really being shared as proof of how hard women have it? If anything, it illustrates what a burden of performance men have. She basically had to show up and look pretty. If she had been a little older, she would have realized that he didn't give a shit whether she was cool or witty. He had to reel her in by being awesome at every turn. At first he pulled it off, but his insecurity and inability to be good in bed destroyed his chances. I doubt that her insecurities or sexual issues would hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 04:45 PM
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It provides me with the only place I've found where all this gender and relationship stuff is actually discussed honestly. I probably don't need to be on here nearly this much, though. And I know it's a little weird that my escape from work and life involves arguing with people, many of them more or less misogynistic, about these questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 03:55 PM
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Unfortunately, all of us women are parasitic, hypergamous hoes unless we are willing to financially support a redditor who stays home and plays video games all day. So there's no winning this argument unless you tell them you're fine with doing that. It's ok for men to demand that their partner pull her own weight financially, though. Men's requirements are always reasonable. Women shouldn't have requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/17 03:50 PM
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So what's your solution? Change the assault and battery laws? You're already saying that prosecutorial discretion will probably be used to make sure that you don't get charged for the unwanted kiss, so it seems like the legal system is working as it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 10:32 PM
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You may want to re-read my post, because it told you that it IS about conduct. A lot of these guys went way over the line, and did so with not nearly enough evidence that she would like it. The default is that they get punished for that. If by some miracle she secretly was into him and likes the experience, then he's a really fucking lucky guy who got away with doing something wrong. However, I would bet that the CONDUCT of groping a woman who gives no signs of interest is much more likely to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 08:56 PM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 08:42 PM
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Whether you get accused of sexual harassment usually depends on whether you engaged in mutually wanted sexual activity or flirting, or whether you kept pushing sexual activity on a woman who was rejecting it. And if women don't have to submit to sexual stuff with guys they aren't into, then the latter is obviously wrong. You can be an unattractive man, politely make advances, and get shot down without being a harasser. But you can't grab Susies butt and claim that it's unfair for her to report y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 08:33 PM
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Most of your guys aren't unattractive, they're average looking or a bit better. Nothing wrong with Charlie rose or Matt Lauer. There aren't very many gorgeous men, even in the public eye category, to begin with. Of those who are hot, I'd imagine that they make moves on women who display interest first, thus removing the harassment part. Idris Elba doesn't need to try and get the interest of someone who doesn't already like him, so he's not going to start doing disgusting shit like calling his su…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 05:49 PM
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"Thousands." How many men are actually in the workforce? Note that each accusation on its own is still Big News. The uproar around them makes it easy to feel like it's most men, but that is a logical fallacy, note that our Congress is actually nearly all intact still, most male entertainers * haven't* been accused, and I know that in my professional circle and my husband's, nothing of this sort has happened. I'd be willing to bet that most men you know also haven't been accused. To argue that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 04:36 PM
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These definitions don't serve you well at all. You would be better off acknowledging that some accusations are in fact valid, because when you paint them all with the same brush as here, ordinary people cannot take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 04:30 PM
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I'm certainly not part of the metoo hysteria and am not addressing it, nor were other commenters who merely suggested that GROSSLY inappropriate sexual behavior not be tolerated. It is guys here who conflate that type of suggestion with metoo hysteria. Honestly, probably one of the first things you could do would be to point out that difference in discussion, instead of blurring the two together. Just like certain metoo crazyasses are doing, in fact, only instead of saying it's all bad, guys her…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 04:27 PM
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But do men on ppd know the difference? My question comes from the fact that every time someone posts on here saying that men should be penalized for saying gross sexual shit to coworkers, and for sexually touching coworkers who were not inviting it, some red pill guy will get up in arms about how this means that they can no longer ask coworkers out or do mild flirting. Of course most men in real life know the difference. And note that most men are not being accused, either. If ppd comments were …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 04:18 PM
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These ppd discussions on male sexuality and the workplace are enlightening, I've hardly seen so much goalpost shifting as when they come up and our resident rp males suddenly no longer know the difference between asking someone out, touching their ass, or throwing them down and violating them. I'm starting to see where the sexual harassment comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/17 12:59 AM
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I never said that men aren't cooperative, only that women are generally also seen as cooperative and that theories as to why also dredge up ancient human behaviors. Assuming that war presents a great need for cooperation, and that this need only runs to men, there's no reason why other types of human activity would not also present great need for cooperation, including stuff that women did have to engage in. Edit: this discussion presents yet another example of red pill fallacious binary thinkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 08:20 PM
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Is that a fact, though? Most theories run the other way. See all the pill stuff about women being herd animals, collectivists who cannot move without the approval of their group. Ancient human behaviors can also be interpreted opposite to how you see them. Women have always been subject to punishment by the community, especially other women, for falling out of line, and taking a stand out approach may have had serious consequences for how their children would be treated. I would also think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 07:38 PM
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Interesting. Well, in my anecdotal experience, I had one female boss who was a cunt, one who was a little bit unpleasant, several nice and competent ones, and one much older one who was a kind, straightforward mentor type. I'm also constantly around very bright, competent women in my field. Sometimes it seems like my circle must run on different principles than the world that red pillers live in, where women are generally dimwitted, selfishly unpleasant, and constantly subordinating reason to fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 07:22 PM
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Do you think every personality trait and skill is determined by the y chromosome? Put it another way, do you think that daughters inherit traits and smarts from their fathers in part, and sons in part from their mothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 07:14 PM
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Do you realize what a large cross section of men fantasize about being dominated sexually? In the kink scene, there are actually many more male submissives than male dominants. Do you think that men who fantasize about beautiful, powerful, sexually dominant women also wish that they themselves could occupy a lowly position in society in everyday life, with women having all the control?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 09:47 PM
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No doubt. But I didn't think we were talking about the way dating should be, it seems to be a discussion about the way things are and how to work in that world.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 06:40 PM
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These are very specific definitions of beta and alpha that go beyond sexual strategy. I agree that most men want to sleep with a lot of women, whether they can pull it off or not. However, I don't think being alpha or beta is related to how emotionally involved you are with your wife, except insofar as you go out of control once you catch feelings for someone and start behaving stupidly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:52 PM
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Fair enough, I see what you were responding to in my original post. It's true that a sense of more full and complete partnership has slowly developed since we got married, I just remember waking up the morning after the wedding and thinking that we were the exact same couple as the day before.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:38 PM
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I think that you can draw the line in each instance by looking at how interested she is acting, and trying to go a little bit less than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:34 PM
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This is true within certain parameters. If he's of lower smv than her, then the distance might convince her that he is really better than he looks, making him more successful with this particular woman. But if he's already hot to her, showing interest will reel her in, whereas aloofness is likely to make her think that she doesn't have a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:31 PM
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That all sounds right to me. It's just that the greater focus on "us" hasn't seemed like it automatically gives me more faith in his leadership, even if we are clearly more of a team. In fact, I can see how women would become anxious and domineering once someone's choices have such a huge impact on their future. I suppose that while marriage is a necessary prerequisite for being a real team, submission seems to be inspired by the man's actual qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 05:26 PM
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You've found that being a wife makes you trust and respect him more than you used to, and makes you forget your own goals when they oppose his?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 04:35 PM
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Submission doesn't have to involve staying at home. In fact, plenty of men want a working wife and would object to her deciding to be a sahm. Yeah, staying at home seems like a risky choice for sure. Unless your husband is in the 1% or close, half the marital assets definitely can't sustain you for long in case of divorce. Alimony is unlikely and won't last more than a couple of years. You're back in the workforce after a fifteen year break, and congratulations, you'll be doing admin work for $3…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 03:42 PM
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Hmm, maybe. I'm telling you that nothing really changes after the wedding, except that you can now feel comfortable making very long term plans with the person, uprooting yourself for them, etc. But except for that, there's nothing about wifehood that makes you trust and respect him more than you used to, or that makes you forget your own goals when they oppose his. I suppose if you already have a very captain oriented dynamic, marrying would remove the last barrier to letting him make big life …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 03:22 PM
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Definitely. Does that myth still exist? I thought the shaming of people who care about physical appearance, and the pretense of not caring, went out a decade ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 03:15 PM
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I guess I would. I thought it was hard for women to get turned on by men they didn't respect. It doesn't matter as much to the gender wars as you would think, though. It's indisputable that men choose women mostly based on something that has little use to society, ie good looks. While women might be shallow, men are definitely more shallow, any way you slice it. Not many men who would turn down a ditzy model for a plain applied math major, that's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 01:27 AM
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Well, everyone has addressed the work experience point pretty thoroughly. Might I suggest looking at some research into hireability of people with big work experience gaps and relevant education, before pooh poohing the sahm disadvantage as imaginary. Are you wanting to know in order to prove something about alimony, or is this in support of an argument that women should become sahms at 20 and work later? I've seen both arguments. In response to the second one, I'll just note that there is almos…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 09:57 PM
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Male intelligence plays a much bigger role in women's attraction than vice versa. The smarter a guy is, the more of a winner he can seem, the better the verbal parrying, the less likely to have interactions where you have to be his teacher. All of that goes into whether the dick is good, though as noted before, a woman has to be smart enough herself to fully appreciate a guy who has a given level of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 09:38 PM
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Not sure I'm following. You think that a best of both worlds approach seems less feasible than just returning to the old days wholesale? I think it would involve changing around the victimhood narrative so that women are expected to be full moral agents, and a strong, fully actualized woman is one who takes responsibility. I'm a fan of doing this kind of thing through pop culture, so I suppose you would have tv shows about strong women who make excellent first mates in marriage, controlling thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 09:33 PM
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The girls who like him probably aren't the smartest either, and don't notice that he's an idiot. In fact, they might have a hard time conversing with one of your smart friends who makes six figures. I've noticed that my friends tend to date men about as intelligent as themselves. The exception is a couple of very overweight, very smart girls who always go for hot, dumber guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 04:29 PM
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But who would want to return to the non cherry picked version of the old days? A best of both worlds approach seems the way to go. The real old days had men thoroughly in charge, and men being human and flawed, this often was quite harmful to women in their care. What's actually worthwhile is for women to take a good look at traditional values as far as they themselves are concerned, while not getting locked into a binary old/new mindset. For men to return to the values of 100 years ago would no…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 04:14 PM
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Yes, rpw is about going back to what we/they perceive as traditional good wife principles. Many if not most will allow for changes that make sense with modern society, but the idea is to build around what seems to have worked in the past, instead of creating a new wife concept out of whole cloth. Whether the traditional ideal actually worked that well, or whether rpw are doing it right, is always subject to debate. Rpw are often accused of role playing because everyone has a different idea of ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 03:05 PM
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Women peak in their early twenties, men about a decade later. Nature makes people gravitate toward mates who are as close to peak age as they can get. Older women end up spreading their attraction to older men, though, as a defense mechanism against being pumped and dumped by early thirties men. Of course older women hate becoming disadvantaged. But it's inevitable. The only possibilities are 1) marry a man you think won't fuck with younger women when you age, or 2) accept the future and spend y…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 02:31 PM
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Pretty much. I'd say it actually works for women because about 80% of our attractiveness is in our appearance. Men project their favorite personality onto the hot girl anyway; if not hot, it doesn't matter what she's like. Might as well be yourself. Of course "be yourself" definitely doesn't mean that you're allowed to look unattractive. It's only a pass for personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 04:42 PM
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Yeah. A lot of women are fairly indifferent to chick flicks. The same-ness of entertainment geared to us doesn't mean that we all actually love the same story above everything else. You can probably find the full range of our personal romantic fantasies in movies made for us, but a lot of us don't particularly care to watch them. Why not make movies for women that don't focus on our romantic fantasies? They're afraid it won't sell. Even if they did, though, the non romantic tropes are also same-…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/17 04:25 PM
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Well, it's because all women are internally the same person, with the exact same desire for the same adventure with the same guy. Duh. It's wonderful that men are so different from each other, each so fascinating in his own way, that male entertainment is endlessly creative and thoughtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 11:50 PM
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Men who aren't financially set do care, unless they are invested in the sahm ideal. I've heard non red pillers admit it quite frankly. Cost of living is high, job security isn't perfect. And no, it's not about a woman demonstrating that she is smart and can take care of herself. They expect a partner who will contribute to the family funds, they don't want her to quit her job once married. This is only controversial because it has become intertwined with feminism. Back in the good ol days, upper…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 04:00 PM
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Christie Brinkley in her sixties is a major genetic outlier to begin with, and she still can't compete with the thousands of fresh faced twenty year olds on the market, most of whom aren't as hot as she was in her day. She's still known, but she's mostly been left behind compared to how her life used to be. Compare her to Angela Merkel, whom someone else in the thread mentioned. That woman is at the pinnacle of her career, despite being about the same age as Brinkley. She's at the top of her pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 03:47 PM
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I honestly don't think most guys care about money other than a way to survive and get females. Most guys would probably be happy living in a small 1 room apartment living off a minimal wage if sex wasn't a thing. Lol must be the ones you know. There are all sorts of expensive toys and services that are designed specifically to appeal to men and that men enthusiastically buy and obsess over.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 03:31 PM
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No one expects "perfect sexual sterility" of men at work. Most places are fine with you asking out a coworker, as long as it's not your direct subordinate. The line exists somewhere in between that and repeatedly telling multiple employees your explicit sexual fantasies about them (Charlie Rose). I disagree that men can't, by and large, figure out where the line is. Most men are socially skilled enough to know, and to err on the side of caution when there's gray area. And no, it's not unduly bur…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 03:04 PM
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The power of "immense physical beauty" doesn't last for even a third of someone's adulthood. Any time put in after that gets diminishing returns. The power of being in the professional elite can last for your entire life. It doesn't have a "wall" after which you start to lose it no matter what you do. Investing time into it puts you in a much better place when you are 65 years old. I would not take the HR women at your work as examples of career women who have achieved highly. Let's go with wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 02:45 PM
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There's a lot of truth to the red pill stuff about how it all switches in your early 30s. Provided that you improve yourself, you will have the upper hand in dating from about 30 until death — which is a very long time. The 15-30 period will seem like a blip at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 02:35 PM
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You're what, 13-14? You'll be better at this in a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 03:18 AM
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It's a school night, don't you have homework to do
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 03:15 AM
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For the same reason that it's fine to shame women for being attracted to attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 01:44 AM
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Good one. I have to roll my eyes at these dudes who think that because they continue to provide "resources," they're still holding up their end of the bargain. It's telling that they have to go behind their wives' backs to sleep around. Surely if the bargain is what they claim it is, everything could be in the open. Similarly, it is possible for a woman to want other men but still be attracted to her husband and stay with him. In their experiences, their wives were not attracted to them and also…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 01:43 AM
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No, it is not. There are tremendous upsides to GYOW instead of becoming intertwined with a family as was traditionally expected. As MGTOW like to point out, life can be way better without the ball and chain stuff. However, I'll note that you can't say that and then lament the death of Marriage 1.0 in the next breath, as most red pillers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 12:56 AM
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My friends' boyfriends were also dating and sleeping with other, attractive women, they enjoyed being poly and were genuinely not jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 12:43 AM
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Why are you making the leap from alternative poly lifestyles to criminal behavior and single motherhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 12:43 AM
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I spent a few years living in one of the most progressive communities in one of the most progressive cities in the U.S. I knew plenty of free-wheeling women who were into Burning Man and alternative lifestyles and that kind of thing. Most tried open or polyamorous relationships, and many only did those. Hardly any of the women were looking to settle down or get married, even at or beyond wall age. It implied that you would sink into suburban boredom and social obscurity, and become some frump of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 09:35 PM
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Ok. How did you arrive at the conclusion that women have a conception that most other women hold a tradcon good wife ideal? Do you think that most women hold a tradcon good wife ideal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 08:01 PM
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So my observation form these two posts, is that a reluctance answer this question is most indicative of subconscious or even conscious incongruence between what a good wife is commonly held to be, and what that person imagines they will want to be, if they get married. From your TRP post. This is a prime example of someone failing to get past his own bias. People told you yesterday that they could give you very general qualities for a good wife, the standard stuff like supportive, loving, etc., …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:42 PM
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Acting recklessly, selfishly, or irresponsibly, especially with their children. Poor performance of social niceties. There's a lot of nuance that determines exactly when and why such things will get judged, and when and why the exact same action will get a pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:17 PM
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We play around with others and (nearly) always have. I've posted about it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 07:06 PM
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1) Went on an OkCupid date when I was 24. As soon as he saw me, I could sense his interest die. He was somewhat detached all through dinner. Next day, he sent me a text saying something like, "It was nice to meet you, but I don't think we're a good romantic fit." It was odd as I thought my pictures were representative and I was quite slender, the whole bit. 2) Once my now-husband and I were at a sex club. There was a guy nearby cuddling and playing with two women, and I went to ask if I could jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 05:22 PM
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Theoretically, we could marry young and keep climbing. I am married and still in school. I know an Orthodox Jewish girl, early twenties, who is already married and also in school full time. Some very famous professional women even had kids while still in school. We marry in our late twenties or early thirties because it's what's done. Why it's done that way, I am not actually sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:31 PM
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The only thing I know for sure about lc parents is that a lot of them are religious, and those ones find it very important that their daughters actually abstain, so they don't want the sex ed that would help their daughters safely not abstain, if it makes them overall more likely to have sex than an abstinence only curriculum would. Don't know enough about it apart from the religious angle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 12:59 PM
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So based on the full story, he invited three women into bed, they agreed and hopped in, and then he tried to make some moves and withdrew when shut down. It's insane to say that a guy can't make a move on a woman who's actually gotten into bed with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:31 AM
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The line is making advances on your subordinate at work, like Charlie rose did. Not just powerful people, but many ordinary people could ruin someone's career if they really tried (witness all this stuff) so no, we don't say that anyone with hypothetical general power over others can't ask them out. But when it's someone who works under you, the power dynamic is a serious part of both your lives, so it's much more likely that they'll be harmed by refusing, and it's reasonable to say that you sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:26 AM
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Umc parents end game seemed to be for their daughters to be professionally successful, and everything was geared toward that. Because sleeping around didn't really matter for success as long as no baby resulted, the parents wanted a pragmatic approach that is proven to be most effective at reducing teen pregnancy. To wit, fully explanatory sex ed that taught them all about contraception etc. They also didn't want their daughters to get bogged down in traditional femininity. Remember, the end gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 12:17 AM
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they are raised to suppress their natural sexual tendencies Really? I went to umc private schools when growing up and did not find this true at all. We had comprehensive sex ed supported by most of the parents and plenty of girls sleeping around. Progressive values, so a lot less judgment of sluttiness or other gender non conforming behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 10:19 PM
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Thanks u/haunting-you. Turned on, as in, vagina gets wet, I'll masturbate to orgasm about it. Once in the early days of me and my husband dating I was on my period so we smoked some weed and he held me extremely close for hours. I was dripping wet and had tingles the whole time. (Yeah, period - it was actual arousal and lubrication too.) Sorry, that's graphic, but it's the only way to illustrate my point. I'll note though that although I've masturbated about guys who weren't very dominant but di…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:35 PM
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Developed males have plenty of trouble understanding concepts when those concepts are commonly understood only by people not like them. There is some variability, but everyone has trouble going too far outside what they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:27 PM
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You're asking them to say something about most women. Not about most bpw, about most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:25 PM
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You're conflating philosophical solipsism with the solipsistic trait talked about by red pillers. I'm betting that not many people here subscribe to solipsism as a philosophy. As for the trait, everyone is solipsistic in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:22 PM
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Op, you'd be amazed at how little the good wife concept gets discussed outside of pill circles. For people in progressive areas, it isn't that they're surrounded by stuff about being a good wife that they fail to internalize, it's that no one brings it up at all. You imagine that your friends and colleagues have ideas of what it is, but they'll never share them. So all you're left with is some old school tropes and the knowledge that some women elsewhere in the country would describe a good wife…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 09:06 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 12:44 PM
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The preeminent thing, which is really hard to find, is strong sexual attraction. I've analyzed it and for me it's half male dominance and half male tenderness toward me. The dominance part needs no explanation here. The tenderness part is often overlooked, basically I get turned on when a guy pulls me in and lets me be vulnerable with him, call it a leftover daddy thing. If it's just dominance I have my guard up too high to open up and have sex. If it's just tenderness then I can sort of project…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 05:05 AM
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Too true. If I had a dollar for every woman I've seen post on rpw or similar forum, complaining that she's not able to get guys interested despite practicing rp principles, I could buy a nice dinner. They discover trp and rok and other manosphere places, where guys insist that they really care about sweetness and domesticity. This makes sense, so they become sweeter and more domestic and broadcast it on their dates. Doesn't work and they come back for help. Unfortunately, the usual advice is "ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 02:57 PM
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Well, you have no choice but to start building your career from scratch now. You probably don't need to wait until you're totally established to find a decent girl, you just n need to show that you're going somewhere. It's really important that you get socially skilled though, more than your career. I would recommend putting yourself in as many ongoing social situations as possible, where you learn how to talk to people in a lot of contexts. A social work atmosphere is great for this, try a bar …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 02:16 PM
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Objectification is an attitude toward someone, it's how you see them, not what you say to them. It's a theory of mind problem where you can't empathize with them generally, not even the basic empathy we have for strangers. While that can happen in other contexts with different types of people, sexual objectification involves conceptualizing the other person only through their body and sexuality. You might say something to indicate you're doing that, or you might not. It's not merely finding some…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 12:50 AM
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There's a lot of good sex had every day, everywhere, that is based on some type of fun power dynamic. Works if there's mutual respect. But yeah, the validation hookups you're thinking of are toxic. I'm talking about liking it when you get asked out or complimented. Hell, I'll do another taboo admission and say that it's flattering even to be catcalled. Nothing wrong with enjoying such things, it's harmless for everyone involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 12:06 AM
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There's two separate value systems that have pretty much nothing to do with each other. I can kind of pick out where the woman falls in terms of social hierarchy. This is not really a judgment about Whether she is a worthwhile person according to my standards, it's a judgment about whether others perceive her as worthwhile. This is a detached analysis that is instinctively done and is based in a drive to power, or if not power then at least survival. If this woman is in the same circle as me, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 11:54 PM
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Eh, I don't find enjoyment of one's sexual power has to involve using anyone, if by that you mean getting them to do stuff for you. It's just nice to be desired. Lots of men get the same opportunity a little later in life than we have it, if they have some game. Their power usually isn't as strong as ours (if heterosexual), but it lasts a lot longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 10:38 PM
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The article is vague enough that it's possible he had some second or third date sex along the way, and he considers the lack of success to be not finding a girlfriend. If it's the latter, I can't feel all that bad for him, most of us have been in that boat. If he really didn't manage to sleep with any of them though, that's pretty brutal. Stuff like that is why I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 10:28 PM
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Count me in on that. It's not as good as other types of power, but it's instantly available to above average girls when young. Intoxicating, as power tends to be. Easier to measure than intelligence. Probably the only way many of us will ever get admiration.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 10:10 PM
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Fair enough. I just have found that there are so many divorce-correlated factors to consider that it's impossible to make sense of all them when searching for one individual. Best to screen for whether you can actually enjoy living with and fucking the guy for decades, while keeping the factors in the background. Usually, people will have a mix of those factors anyway so it evens out, maybe I'd worry if I got to know someone who hit every divorce indicator in the source you linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 09:17 PM
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While less striking, I'd say that the 35% greater likelihood for male children of divorced parents to end up divorced is plenty reason to carefully consider avoiding them as well. Amusingly, my tradcon divorced mother heard about these stats and told me not to marry a son of divorced parents. When I pointed out the hypocrisy there, she insisted that wasn't important, I needed to look out for my best chance at happiness regardless of my own background.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 05:47 PM
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I'll give you some more. Make sure that she has higher education. Significantly correlated with more lasting marriages. Make sure that you marry her when she is in her late twenties early thirties. Best marriage age for women if you want marriage longevity. Make sure she is Asian. Lowest divorce rates for women of any race. Make sure you follow all the principles from that nyt article a while back showing correlation between divorce rates and wedding attributes. I believe that cheap weddings wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 05:18 PM
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That's fair. It's like the issue of whether an attractive bearded guy is still going to have a good face when he shaves it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 05:05 PM
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Ok, thanks. There does appear to be some correlation when using that data. You might as well add religion back in if we're just talking correlation, and then I'm sure it becomes stronger. The problem then is application to individuals in a quest for a specific partner. Without knowing causation, we run the risk of picking a low n-count spouse only to find that she is missing the trait that generally causes both marital stability and low n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 08:39 PM
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Okey dokey. My husband and I do this. He wanted to open up the relationship fairly early on, because he developed an intense hotwife fetish (seeing me with other men). It wasn't awkward as I had been in open relationships before and he knew I was down for all sorts of stuff. We later mixed in swinging. My reaction might have been a lot different if he had wanted to open it because he had a strong desire to sleep with other women, but that is kind of secondary for him. From what I've read online,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 08:22 PM
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The problem was that your data did not show partner count before marriage, only partner count at the time of the study. As I said at the time, it would be unlikely for a divorced woman to still have a partner count of one, even if she had never slept with anyone but her husband before marriage. And your data only showed significant correlation with divorce at 1-2 partners — after that, divorce rates shot up and the difference between rates at 3-4 partners versus 20 looked much less drastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 08:01 PM
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Read your stuff. The problem is that you still had confounding variables all up in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 04:45 PM
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Roommates and coworkers. That's what I like. If it's a bad idea, it will excite me. Also, the constant being around each other is a huge factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 05:28 PM
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Pp female. Istp. Can't deal with sj men, and have a limited ability to get along with sj's at all. Too traditionalist. Nf's are great as friends but not as partners, not masculine enough. Xstp's or nt's are really where it's at. Preferably ones with some physical awareness and native masculinity and who are a little lazy like me, not ubermensches who rise at 6 every morning. My husband, if I had to guess, is an entp and he's perfect for me. Of course this is all based on type descriptions, I'm s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 05:14 PM
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My mistake, I thought that you believed they would stop doing so in a committed relationship. If you don't think so, why wouldn't you just spin plates forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:44 PM
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The unforeseen health stuff etc is also what I wonder about. Best of luck to you and your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:41 PM
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All this makes total sense. But I am wondering, what is the plan for if, say, one of you gets really sick and can't work and racks up medical debt?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:37 PM
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Yeah, as someone who has joined finances and can't see not doing so in the long term, that quote is still off the mark. Accountability isn't about being ok with someone telling you no on spending money you made. Tbh someone telling you no on spending money you made is probably one of the worse parts of joining finances, and no one is less adult for feeling that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:35 PM
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We are married and joined our finances several months before we got married, since we were living together anyway. I just don't see how separate finances is sustainable. Eventually someone will lose their job, get sick, pop out a kid and the other one will need to cover them. Unless you would have your partner getting evicted, on food stamps, unable to pay medical bills, etc while you are living comfortably? Just isn't realistic. For us, we've switched back and forth with one being in school or …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 06:25 PM
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Sorry to tell you, but if she's aware that you guys aren't committed then she's definitely looking around this whole time. If she doesn't end up sleeping with or going for a relationship with someone else, it's not because she feels morally guilty about doing so while being plated by you, it's because no one ever came along who tempted her. The six to twelve months of noncommittal exclusivity were by chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 04:45 PM
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Oh absolutely, the other subset of soft harems is "ones where she actually thinks she's his exclusive girlfriend" or similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 04:40 PM
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I've noticed that a ton of men are this way. Seems like every time, they had formative experiences where they dealt with this type of woman, usually it was their mother. It's to the point where if I find out that a man has a contentious relationship with his mother, I can bet that he'll be attracted to me. If she's some super sane, sober lady, then he won't be as drawn in by me. I like to think that I provide a middle of the road experience with some native craziness but enough self awareness to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 04:30 PM
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She's on her best behavior with you during that period of time, because you haven't given her the commitment. Do you see that as an obstacle to getting to know her? She's also dating and sleeping with other guys during this period of time. Do you see that as an obstacle to forming a mutually trusting relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 04:02 PM
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I have no doubt that some guys have "soft harems." What I think doesn't happen is that the women are content orbiting around this dude until he gives them a shot at a relationship. Some of these guys claim to be able to obtain one sided exclusivity - that's not believable to me, and it shouldn't be to them either. Either she's saying yes and just hiding the fact that she's still sleeping with other guys... or she's saying yes knowing that she likely wouldn't be having sex until she found someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 03:49 PM
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Yes, I've kept orbiters. It's just part of the way the dating scene works. Attractive younger me had lots of guys of all ages interested. Older me won't, and the guys my age will then be orbiting and trying to fuck young women. It's an age dependent supply and demand problem. Everyone makes the most of what they have at a given time, and the ones in demand will always be seen as cruel by the ones who want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 03:00 AM
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I personally don't want to brigade, dox, or shut down your forum. You should keep it and say whatever you want there. I'm talking about when your ideas get discussed elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 11:25 PM
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I'm assuming this is to get a relationship with someone she likes, since no game at all is required for her to get sex. 1) Have high smv and rmv. 2) Do not, in any way, give off the vibe that you are desperate or grasping for anything besides hot sex and fun times. So, feel free to express a high level of interest in fucking him and spending time together, but be clear in the very early stages that for a relationship to occur, it would have to add value to your awesome single life. Make him feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 11:22 PM
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Disagree generally with the idea that instant gratification has made us unable to think long term. Buying a house and getting the good job are as hard as ever for most, and most millennials are not completely stupid so they see that. Do you think twenty somethings really believe that getting a dream job is like swiping a tinder match? Is there any evidence that this is a common way for millennials to deal with actual life stuff? These are boomer fantasies, given life by a proliferation of huffpo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 11:00 PM
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I don't think he's suggesting that it's going to be unlubricated or without foreplay. It's not unreasonable to think that if a person is attracted to their partner, then usually their engine will get going after some making out even after a long day, and lube will take care of the rest. As a married person, I can attest that sometimes when it's been a long day and the engine is cold I'm not in the mood, but 1) I hate saying no to my husband and 2) I know that I'll get into it after a few minutes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 10:23 PM
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"High quality" is going to encompass both smv and rmv, if we're being consistent, as definitions of a high quality woman always, always focus on her rmv (i'm actually not sure smv is usually a part of the discussion). Your smv factors are correct. But if we're talking quality, we also have to fold in rmv stuff like whether this dude can actually sustain a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 09:56 PM
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Yeah, I think you're right in that women are going to define other women as quality friends, bosses, co-workers, etc and then those aren't really gender-based ideals anyway. I guess popularity comes to mind because if you're not dating women, the female social matrix is the only other place where there's a distinct way women are supposed to play, that doesn't involve men. Not counting sisters and mothers because you're not really going to compare great numbers of those dispassionately. I agree t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 09:49 PM
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After a youth spent avoiding men who looked like my dad and had my dad's profession, I married a man who has similar features to my dad and is in his profession. Believe me, it is striking at the holidays. I've been attracted to a couple of women in my life, they tended to be nutjobs like my mom, but hyper feminine and pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 04:28 PM
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Theoretically, it's a better investment to snatch up one good prospect and marry him at that age, thus guaranteeing the lifestyle will continue indefinitely. However, marrying a guy for security has so many pitfalls that it's possible you'd be better off just capitalizing on the old rich dudes and working a job later on. Or... you could try for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 04:21 PM
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In the "pill"context, hypergamy means "am attracted only to those people above me in SMV" I have seen it defined over and over as attraction to the best available options in the room, which applies to both sexes. This definition is new and inaccurate and methinks was put into place to make it easier to say that men aren't hypergamous. What you mean is that women are only attracted to men who can lead or take charge of them in some way. However, a man's ability to do this does not mean that he ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/17 01:00 AM
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I'll write about the first and the last In my life. First was when I was thirteen, I went to a borders cafe to hang out and study. Sat at a table and this twenty odd guy came up and sat across from me and started talking. I can't remember what he said as it was a very long time ago, but I was not engaging. He got up and sat back down again across from me a couple of times. Got up and sat at the table next to me, staring and fidgeting. I was trying to pretend he wasn't there. Nowadays I would lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 02:50 AM
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Isn't mgtow about having no one being an improvement over having a woman? Surely then it's good to live in an age when staying single is way easier. I don't think that women in the past were angels who refrained from acting out in negative feminine ways, the nagging wife has always been a trope. Why would you want to live in a time where you'd have one of those, and have to work yourself to the bone to totally financially support her?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 01:44 AM
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Totally fine with this as long as we keep it that vague and don't give in to quack science about the why, e.g. unproven stuff about the results of oxytocin release during sex with different men, the red pill's phrenology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:44 AM
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110% this, wish every guy could be so honest about their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:35 AM
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If you could then you wouldn't be all bent out of shape over people's reactions to mgtow. You guys are discussing stuff openly in public where everyone can hear you, and you can't take the fact that they go home and talk about you afterwards, you neither understand how people discuss ideas nor are you capable of doing it unemotionally. I thought you were masters of frame and idgaf?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 12:05 AM
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She points out that most women are also in second or third place, seeing almost none of us are hb 9 or 10. Very few guys are settling down or even dating the women they are most attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 11:59 PM
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You can become charming and handsome, but if you follow red pill theory, you won't be genuine, loving or affectionate toward women, and they will notice. Whether they'll call you out, just move on, or eat it up is up to them. That's the red piller tell that you can't get rid of, and it's what separates you from handsome, confident non red pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 12:45 AM
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Lol, if you can't take criticism of your posts then put them on a password protected live journal or get a diary with a cute little lock or something. If they're in the open then they'll get read and dissected. I don't think the dissection should happen on mgtow as that is your space, but other than that it's very simple... People listen, they read, then they react.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:56 PM
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If the sex was really good, and I believed that the guy didn't hold a negative opinion of me beyond "don't quite feel the romantic connection," and I believed that he wasn't secretly judging me for my sexual behavior, then sure. However, the first one has always been hard to come by, and after reading enough red pill it's become apparent to me that the other two requirements probably wouldn't be met either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/17 10:08 PM
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Is the solution for unattractive people to start approaching each other, in real life and online? Surely the unattractive girls described here must live in the same area as some incels, most of the time. Why not partner up? As long as neither one is overly bitter, seems as likely to succeed as any relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/17 03:09 PM
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Because of all the circle jerking about how awful women are and in what ways. It's not the matter of fact statements that you're done dating and going your own way which are objectionable, or which get responded to by women For their own sake. Reading that sub, I actually get the impression that mgtow is a misnomer. If y'all were going your own way, you would be busy talking about your cool hobbies etc, you know all the awesome things your lives contain now that you've given up women. Instead, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 03:26 PM
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Totally fine, but don't complain about how women have nothing but sex to offer when you won't date the ones who could offer more, and/or you devalue anything they have that isn't sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 02:52 PM
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There are plenty of asymmetrical, dowdy girls who are sweet, sane and accomplished with strong families. You just have forgotten that they existed, because you were too busy being one in a pack of thirsty dudes chasing after hot basic Brenda. Cue some stuff about how all women are basic Brenda, and a belated realization that all she ever had to offer was sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 02:49 PM
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People just don't fall for your essence at first sight, you have to be wrapped in attractive packaging so that they want to know you. I was a horribly socially awkward teen and early twenties adult, would end up dating guys way less attractive than you would have guessed from seeing my picture. I'm talking like 4 smv points difference. More attractive guys would initially be interested then lose interest. In my mid twenties, I worked in a social environment for a long period of time and also too…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/17 02:17 PM
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People in this thread are talking about when a man ghosts a woman after sex, not having learned anything new about her in between then and the time when she said she was dating to find a relationship. If he wasn't interested in being with her, then he would have known that before sex... so he had sex with her under false pretenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 01:27 AM
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Getting pumped and dumped does not mean that the guy found you attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 03:11 PM
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Pure intelligence that hasn't been used to beat anyone is still a great tool for future conflicts. Like a sword that hasn't been used yet. So while usefulness in conflict is a major reason why intelligence is hot, if not the reason, it's also nice to just see it on display.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 01:45 PM
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Yeah, I was thinking along the same lines. Pretty much everything sexual is relevant information when determining whether someone should be your long-term partner. But the conclusions to be drawn from a careful study of this relevant information will vary, people are not so simple that you can plug in numbers for a few variables and get similar results each time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 07:08 PM
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Women past about 28 do not have an abundance mentality re relationships. Why does this fallacious reasoning get trotted out again and again? Women past wall age know that their current partner, if a good one, is the best they will likely get. Of course women below grandmother age know that they can always get noncommittal sex, but there is no reason for this logical leap to say that abundance of sex = abundance mentality about relationships for them. They know those are two different things. Pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 04:09 PM
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Actually, in many cultures, spouses were chosen for each other when still children. You couldn't predict whether the pairing would end up as a whiny omega married to a beautiful sweet woman, or a handsome successful man married to a woman who got hit with the ugly stick. It was about high value families connecting with each other, not high value spouses. Good for the families, often not so pleasant for the men and women who married.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 03:55 PM
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Let me guess, you're in a certain subculture. Military? Low income rural area? Go read your red pill sidebar. Did you forget that women want to commit to alpha fucks first and foremost? The strategy you describe is for loser women who can't get the commitment of any man they enjoy having sex with, or women who are so poor that they can't focus on men who don't have some resources to offer. You're either surrounded by poor women, or you are only attracting ones in the other category. And believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 03:49 PM
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I thought for some time that this would be a great idea, but then I read that in practice, what happened was that people would make up shit about their spouse cheating, being abusive, etc to get a divorce. They would even make it up to get out of a one year waiting period before divorce. I agree that no fault divorce makes marriage basically a boyfriend girlfriend situation, and many people treat it as such. Maybe the solution should be to not marry, though, rather than to try and rescue marriag…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 03:19 PM
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You're conflating girls wanting to date red pill men with them also being good relationship prospects. When women seek advice on how to attract men, the presumption is that the advice should help them figure out what works on men who are both 1) attractive and 2) great boyfriend material. Many rp mindset guys might have #1, but not many have #2.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 02:27 AM
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What is easy to overlook is that these guys posting so emphatically about what they want in a woman have been burned quite severely by previous choices, so they've consciously altered their preferences. Romantically successful guys aren't the ones who have learned to emphasize submissiveness, low partner count, domesticity, lack of career focus. I'm not sure if the bitter dudes actually think that all men want that stuff, or if they intend to be self serving with their advice. I am quite sure th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 02:11 AM
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This graph looks most significant at n = 1, as you have less than five percent divorces there, while the lines jump up at 2 and then start zig zagging up and down in ways that don't make a ton of sense (like, why the spike at 7 and why the dip back to 25% at 11?). But if this is total partners, that makes a lot of sense. Not many women are going to get divorced and then not sleep with anyone again. A divorcee who keeps her n at 1 would be a rare creature who gave up on sex and relationships afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 01:19 AM
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Depends on the guy and the girl involved. But with these people the boyfriend status was not a desirable one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 12:28 AM
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I've had female friends when much younger who developed an intense crush, maybe dated him for a bit, never " went all the way" but still pined after him way too long afterward. My argument would be that society enables rationalization when women do it though Yeah I think that's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 12:26 AM
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Now at 31? I'd give myself a 5-6 on face, 7.5 on body. Makeup can take me to a 7. During my formative dating experiences, more like a 7 face and body, with makeup taking me to an 8. During one particular year, I dropped fifteen pounds below normal, going to 5'5" 110 or so, got rid of my chubby cheeks, and could get up to solid 8.5 or better with makeup and such. Definitely never getting that back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 11:47 PM
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Great post you linked to. I'm not strictly blue but am far from red pill. I would agree that red pill does a much better job than anything else at describing: Alpha widowing process and aftermath. However, they always forget that even virgins can be alpha widowed, and they mistakenly think that sluts' sex partners are a bunch of alpha males such that they must be alpha widowed. Briffault's law. I know there are plenty of men who have dumped their women when she was vulnerable, but I think women …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 11:17 PM
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I'm glad it worked well for you! I feel you on wanting someone our own age in large part so that we don't get widowed when we're still quite young. I think it's inevitable to probably outlive your husband though unless you marry a much younger man. Mine is only two years older than me, but his family history makes him likely to die in his sixties, and I'll probably chug along until 90. Really not looking forward to the last few decades without him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 10:33 PM
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It is not a scientific source, which might be why it's off. I believe that okcupid based this study on its quick match feature, which used to allow you to see a guy's photos and a few lines from his profile. Maybe they would have taken more care if they had known that every manosphere post and article would quote the study forever. Anyway, I've used quick match myself plenty of times. I wasn't rating purely based on looks, because the goal was to match with someone I'd actually like to date. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 09:59 PM
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Yeah, that last part has always been a small minority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:51 PM
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I've known two women who admitted cheating to me. One was really pretty, she was in a college ldr with a guy who had played football at their high school, whom she cheated on with another former football player from high school. Reason was that the second guy fucked way better than the first. Red pill observations: the first guy was really sweet, the second one teased her, negged her in front of us, and kept intentionally forgetting her boyfriend's name. The second woman was less attractive but …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 11:24 PM
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Get and stay thin and toned. BMI under 22 or so at least. No crap about how you really look much smaller than your weight would suggest, as you probably still look chubby even if that's true. No crap about how BMI isn't accurate. This is not about health, and it's not about being reasonably in shape, it's about having a body that looks like those of the 22 year olds you're competing with. Not the adorable ones with a little baby fat. That still works for them but not you, you are going to need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 10:15 PM
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Yes I thought this was the point you were making. You define awalt in two different ways, which is confusing, one is an "awalt mindset" and the other is the more literal awalt for which you offer as evidence that "all women are easily discouraged." The awalt mindset, while understandable, is exactly why it's undesirable to date a man without options. Unfortunately, you guys aren't really able to equate all women to each other, so you'll never be all in with your girlfriend whom you settled for. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 09:04 PM
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t is not 100% understood why men aren't affected the same way women are in regards to pair bonding but the leading theory seems to be that women build up a tolerance to hormonal signals that come with "being in love" simply because their body releases the hormones whenever they have intense sex or when a men ejaculates inside her. Conversely, men seem to have smaller hormonal releases and are slower to build up tolerances to hormonal signals. Is there any evidence of this that you can link us to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 04:21 PM
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It's no more fucked than it ever has been, and I'm not sure a better hypothetical state of affairs could exist given male and female nature. A lot of marriages in the old days were miserable, involved cheating and arguing and eventually separating instead of getting divorced. I suspect that the decline in marriage will save people from those situations (hey, I'm agreeing with mgtow!). While some people who remain single or get divorced today might have entered/worked through perfectly good marri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 03:28 PM
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About 75% of the population has been married by 35 for women, slightly older for men. If you want to look at people who are likely to never get married, it should be those at their mid thirties or older, the 25-34 group is a bad sample as relatively few of the 25 year olds are married, but they start locking it up with amazing speed. It goes from about 65% women never married at 25 to about 25% women never married at 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 03:03 PM
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Women don't approach when they have enough or more than enough options who are as desirable as men they would approach. If they are getting slammed with requests for dates, more than they can go on in a short amount of time, then them approaching more men would both not make sense and would end with them rejecting more of the men who approached them, which is probably not what you want either. Of course these are the hot women we're talking about. Less hot women don't get as much attention and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 08:57 PM
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No one expects men to proactively "care" about women's problems. In every women's movement, almost all of the early agitators have been women. Men who join early do so because they are personally affected (their girlfriend is into it, or their mother was abused) and men who join later do so at a point when it is beneficial for them to be seen publicly "caring"- because women have already changed the culture around the issue. If mras can accomplish what feminists already have - i.e. A cultural sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 01:14 PM
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I think it's fine that people have their preferences, including for people unlike themselves, and including ones of players for virgins. What's hypocritical is when they make value judgments about other people's traits, but give themselves a free pass on the same traits. This is like nurses not only preferring doctors over fellow nurses, but also creating a whole value system that explains why doctors are better than male nurses - while somehow deciding that the negative nurse traits don't apply…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 12:43 AM
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What's interesting about this is that both red pill guys like you, and radical feminists, actually follow the same line of reasoning. You take real and undesirable traits of the opposite sex, you characterize each opposite sex individual as having those traits to the max if not controlled by some external force, and then you find that world so threatening that you want to implement super strict controls over all of them. I'm just not sure how to Reconcile your world of stay at home burqaed women…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/17 12:10 AM
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I never see anyone mentioning this, but if robots became so good that they could completely replace human women to men - i.e. They would be intelligent beings who seemed to genuinely love back - you could also make male counterparts whom lonely women would be satisfied with. These robots would be smart enough to hold down a "job," (for which some human owner would get paid) which would solve the problem of women not really wanting to date a house pet. Basically, once the technology is good enoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 11:45 PM
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Exactly my thoughts when I saw their research. Did they reach out to these women, did their access to these messages show them somehow that these were real women and not bots messaging? (By the way, AM was letting them look at users messages in 2014?) The hack didn't happen until 2015, so this paper got presented when everyone thought the site was still legitimate and before the researchers might have realized they should take a closer look at who these women were. The findings are actually quit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/17 11:10 PM
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Yeah... I have a theory about why it appears this way. I think that women will form their own opinions, but most of them are also socially skilled in a way that goes above and beyond what most men are capable of. When a bunch of women get together, what looks like a hive mind is a bunch of very socially fluent people speaking their own language. Just as you wouldn't start speaking Spanish when in a conversation with English speakers, women aren't going to do speech and debate while in the middle…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 01:11 PM
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I have some red beliefs. I'm definitely not airing them in any professionally related setting. I don't have much incentive to argue socially with people over blue beliefs I disagree with, because I'm not really angry over the issues and I won't convince them, but rumors that I'm some Dr Laura would not help my social life. Occasionally I'll drop a pale red idea, without any terminology, to someone who might see my pov. Once I was with some progressives and another girl told this story about a su…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 03:21 AM
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Reading comprehension. The religious value isn't about not wanting to pay for someone else's health stuff. It's about not thinking that women should use contraception, full stop. That value is absolutely about sexual control of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 11:34 PM
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If heading for a serious relationship, it's not just about what serves your ends though. It's right to consider what the other person wants, even if you don't see the point of it. Knowing that many guys do care about a woman's sexual past and her partner might be one of them, a woman should disclose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 11:22 PM
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People supported the mandate for free birth control not necessarily because women have some inherent right to it, but because it's socially and economically beneficial to make it very easy to avoid unwanted pregnancies. They think the rollback is stupid because it will undo that benefit to society in the name of some ephemeral religious value, and they think it is offensive because the weight of presidential authority has been given to a religious value that is about old fashioned sexual control…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:50 PM
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There is no stockpiling of wealth, or women, resulting from the strategy described. That poster's spouse ended up with one woman, her. The strategy of going on a lot of dates until you find a great match ends up in pairing off. Whatever mechanism exists to let a small minority of men be sexually successful, it is not going to have a 1:1 pair as outcome. It's hard to imagine that is unfair. After all, if she had just settled down with the first guy, then her eventual husband wouldn't have gotten …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:27 PM
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It's more that these women who say this are open to a relationship with their ons, if he turns out to be cool. In the sense that single people would like to settle down if the right person came along. Not that they have the ons to gain his commitment. Though I'm sure that happens sometimes. The reason for a ons is going to be hedonistic in some way usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:55 PM
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Yes, a few. I had been expecting to try it as a teenager, because I was kind of inundated with the idea that casual sex was a delightful experience, and it sounded really fun. So one night in college, my friend and I were drinking with a few guys, New acquaintances, and she ended up hooking up with one. So I started putting moved on the other one in the room, who was a shy virgin, overweight. After taking his virginity, I hung out a bit longer and then ended up hooking up with another of the guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 09:10 PM
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Almost right, but you have to insert a "primarily" before sex and success objects. The way that works is different for each gender. Women love a good looking guy, and male beauty is way better at inspiring real sexual attraction than male success. The fact that men nonetheless are primarily success objects speaks to the relative importance of status and provisioning as opposed to desire, for many women. It also speaks to the importance of a bunch of secondary factors such as intelligence and con…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 08:21 PM
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I don't care, except so far as the label he chooses or the beliefs he has might negatively impact his view of my slutty career having non baby having self, or so far as it indicates him succumbing to group think in one direction or other. In practice that means dating men who support the wide array of women's rights but will also privately say that some third wave stuff goes too far. I'm actually not sure if my partners have identified as feminists, I've never asked. I'm not dating women so I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:30 PM
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After countless discussions about this, I don't get why various purple pill posters still do not understand that women aren't content with simply knowing that lots of hot guys want to fuck them. At this point I think at least some are being disingenuous with their questions. Yeah, I'm married to a hot, smart, funny guy who loves me and wants to be with me. I'm sure I could walk to a bar a few blocks down later today and find some other hot, smart, funny guys who would fuck me right then. But the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 03:03 PM
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Yes, women can escape it, because it doesn't afflict all men and a woman only needs to find one man who doesn't have it, settle down with him, and live a blissful life with full awareness of each other's complexity. For what it's worth, though I've met some men who wrote me off as soon as they thought I fit their own definition of a whore, I've also met men who were glad for the prospect of a relationship where they didn't have to hide their weird kinks and gross shit they had done. By the way, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/17 02:28 PM
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The salt in men comes from the realization that it is unfair that women can renounce traditional female roles while requiring masculinity in their mates. Even more so, they demand perfection of traits traditionally associated with masculinity like: faithfulness, fortitude, dependability, moral integrity, intelligence, passion, leadership and providership skills. "Require"? Like, do these women get to march up to an unwilling man and order him to be her boyfriend on pain of death? If you mean tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:36 PM
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B) unchecked hypergamy. No. "Unchecked hypergamy" would be trying to find the best possible man when it hurts someone else for you to do so, aka when married, and particularly when married to a spouse who is going through a rough time. Maybe "unchecked hypergamy" can also be when the strategy hurts the woman, because she's shooting above her league with no success. Trying to find the best possible man, and succeeding in doing so, while breaking no other commitments in the meantime, is good strat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 07:12 PM
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Do you fear that his youthful unattractiveness had a genetic component that might be passed down to your children It's this. Is it any nobler, though, if he struggled against his upbringing and lack of ignorance to become the person he is today? Noble, and nobility is good but it doesn't erase the potential genetic issue if we're talking relationship partner. I want a man who would have kids who don't overly struggle with social fluency, and who is also persevering and overcomes tough challenges…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 06:47 PM
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Redpillers on the whole are somewhat bitter dudes who are angry at women, of which I am one; I've been around bitter dudes before, who had their anger on display, and it was unpleasant. It's not desirable to be around angry people, particularly when they're directing it at you, I mean am I going to also have to explain why I avoid touching hot surfaces after having been burned? However, I did go on a date with a guy whom I strongly suspected of being a redpiller, he had an angry demeanor and tal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:56 PM
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I've been on a few dates with men who I suspected were into some aspects of the RP/PUA world. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:20 PM
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What if the "natural" way for certain men is through mentorship from an artificial source (i.e. book, internet) due to the way their overall personality is and how they process information? Less desirable to women, as a way for their partner to have learned social/sexual skills, because insofar as these things have a genetic component, it becomes more likely that their sons with that partner will struggle with social skills. It's preferable that your son's social and sexual success doesn't depen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 05:11 PM
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They feel offended or butthurt, but not because they think "This man would be less attractive than a natural!" The bitterness and misogyny that leads TRP guys to write stuff that makes women "offended and butthurt" is something that in itself makes a man less attractive, because we generally don't enjoy hanging with guys who make us feel offended and butthurt. Their game is inferior insofar as it comes with a side dish of unpleasantness and inspires those reactions in women. There is another rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 04:01 PM
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Yeah, I think this is likely true. I would be surprised if there are many consistently sexually successful men of any age who don't consciously understand their own tactics. I mean, maybe there are some guys who naturally act in exactly the right way to attract women, without thinking about it, but my hunch is that following one's tendencies sooner or later makes you do something off-putting. Being a "natural" is just learning some game at such an early age that you never really have a period of…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/17 03:29 PM
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There are two separate issues here. One is demonstrating value as a partner, which is not controversial. The other issue is what happens when the target audience is a player who avoids commitment, rather than a high value man who seeks it out. What trp doesn't realize is that the first category is by definition not high value for any reasonably intelligent woman who wants to "lock down" a guy into a lasting relationship. While they might get some women trying to do it, any woman who realized wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/17 05:47 PM
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Yes. One of my good friends from high school was/is a breathtakingly beautiful woman, and has always gotten attention from very attractive men. When we were about 16-17, she fell very hard for this guy in our grade who was absolutely nothing special. Nerdy, dorky, shy, awkward looking, wore the same outfit every day. They ended up dating for a bit and then broke up and went to separate colleges. During college, she continued to get plenty of attention and be one of the hottest girls on campus. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 01:04 AM
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'keeping the pulse of the household' -- this idea that someone has to be managing the emotional heart of your tiny community. I think women do that a lot." I feel no pressure to do this stuff from my husband or anyone else, and I don't do it because I am an introvert and don't want to. I can only imagine if he decided that we needed to create a "tiny community" and started getting pissy at me for not taking steps to make it happen. That shit is for the benefit of the person who's into it, she ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/17 12:44 AM
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I'm not going to try to CMV about whether whiny Nice Guys = whiny Smart, Independent Career Women(TM), because those categories might be similar. But I'd like to point out that SICW (not just the whiny single ones, but the entire group) are by no means shooting themselves in the foot with their approach to life. Please note this study, specifically Table 4. Whether a woman gets a bachelor's or not, she's about 90% likely to marry at some point; the only somewhat significant difference is for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 03:59 AM
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Yup. The dual strategy is RP 101. So, a man's cheating doesn't break the marriage because it doesn't make him want to leave, and it actually makes it easier for him to stay. Good — as long as we're leaving morality out of the question, I will say that the same is true of a woman cuckolding her husband, getting pregnant with another man's baby, and raising it with her husband. This strategy removes her desire to leave and reproduce with a hotter guy, and it gives her more incentive than ever to s…
/r/RedPillWomen27/09/17 09:34 PM
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I'm a little late, but also wanted to recommend that you increase your age range. A 35-40-year-old man will automatically add a couple of points to your SMV just for being 25, whereas the 25-31-year-old guys do not. However, I wouldn't recommend going down in age as your marriage timeline will be too different at this age from that of a guy a couple years younger than you. Also, I would bet that your problem is being too passive and, sorry to say it, but boring, during the pre-date conversation.…
/r/RedPillWomen27/09/17 09:20 PM
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Because the mother is irrelevant here. We are talking about the child, who should not grow up in a shitty impoverished situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 05:25 PM
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I don't think your choice of definition is going to do much to alter the actual experience of pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 05:18 PM
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Pregnancy is a sickness? Wow. Damn well worse than the flu in my experience. In yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 05:02 PM
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I'm not the one you replied to, but I believe that financial abortion is a very fair concept. However, it's not quite apples-to-apples because in the case of financial abortion, there actually does exist a child who must be supported by someone. If the father and mother can't make up the whole sum, then the taxpayers have to do it. If no one does it, then the most innocent party in the mess - the child - gets screwed. It is basically a situation where someone gets the short end of the stick no m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 04:59 PM
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Is this a serious CMV? Obviously the say is unequal because the amount of work pregnancy entails for mother vs father is wholly unequal. The father deals with zero physical changes after ejaculation; the mother is basically living life as a sick person for nine months and experiences lasting physical effects in many cases. For each to get equal input in whether this process should happen would be a perplexing denial of reality. If they created artificial wombs into which a few weeks-old embryo c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 04:38 PM
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How do you know that they are lying, though? Just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 09:22 PM
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Yes, it's accurate that men often care about beauty and intelligence very much for ltr. Id add social skills in there as a third important trait. Definitely never had conversations that implied anything about their desired future children, except a brief statement about whether or not they wanted them. I think she's assuming the breeding stock thing, with no idea whether it's true. What confounds it is that beauty, intelligence, and social skills are also important to just enjoying life with a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 07:42 PM
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Men crest and decline exactly 10 years after women do. Decline starts imperceptibly for women at 25, men at 35, no matter what they do. Can be much earlier if they let themselves go. By 30/40, can still be very attractive, but won't be as good as the younger version of themselves. Decline accelerates over the next decade. By 40/50, can still be attractive if they try hard and have good genes, but definitely not nearly as good as the 15year younger versions of themselves. A top 5% individual at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:43 PM
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A natural can consciously understand game. The difference between him and others is that he figured it out when he was a teenager. Women want that guy. Theyre even ok with not doing it perfectly, at first or ever, as long as he figured out some way to moderately succeed with women. What we don't want is the guy who never had the slightest clue what was going on and had to pick it all up by reading it on trp. We don't want that guy, because we don't want our sons to be that way. Fuck, What if the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 06:02 PM
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The fuck? First prize for male solipsism goes to you. Women don't want uninvited dick rubbing from fucking anyone, it doesn't matter how handsome he is, it is inherently repulsive in itself and is not experienced as you think you would experience a woman rubbing on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 10:14 AM
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Ugh. Yes I don't blame you. Why doesn't she want to get a job and do it that way?
/r/RedPillWomen06/08/17 12:42 AM
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Ok, so basically she could deal with this by getting a job? I Still maintain that as her boyfriend, you don't get much say in her major decisions. But the real problem is her approach to money. Surely she will have to get a job once the egg money runs out anyway. If she got one now she could save her paychecks for a couple of months and put down first and last somewhere and move out. That seems like a much smarter approach than doing a medically risky egg donation.
/r/RedPillWomen06/08/17 12:08 AM
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Yes, frankly, it's less desirable for a man to need to painfully learn social and relationship stuff by being told about it, than for him to be able to start figuring it out and making it work in his teens. We want our children to be as "naturally" gifted as possible, socially and otherwise so that their lives are better. So insofar as being a natural has a genetic component, we want to have children with a man who can pass down that genetic component.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 12:01 AM
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being able to get sex easily is a not very desirable byproduct of the immense male desire you are talking about. The real prize is a different byproduct of male desire, which is us being able to find the best possible lover/ boyfriend/ husband without gargantuan levels of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 11:53 PM
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What does it mean, she has to come up with money in the next few months? There is no way for her to get a job and pay off debt over time? Drive for lyft in her spare hours?That's usually how people do it... Frankly, Id be more concerned about her financial savviness, unless there are extenuating circumstances that you didn't mention. If she really needs money asap or else something very bad will happen, then Id say you need to get over it. Maybe it feels like you're being cucked in some weird wa…
/r/RedPillWomen05/08/17 11:42 PM
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Many of them are guys who were doing so poorly that they had to make radical changes in thoughts and actions in order to have their lives be manageable. The normal stuff didn't work for them. Boys and men who are not naturally socially skilled or good at relationships will usually fall into this bucket, so trp has a massive number of them compared to how many are in the general population. Then there are trpers who managed to get the trappings of a decent life, but think there's something still …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 06:50 AM
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The thrust of this is good advice. Id add that there needs to be an exchange of affection, such that he's not fucking her with no care for her enjoyment, and she's not using his resources without a thought to doing it wisely and carefully. Ideally, it doesn't feel like a sex for money exchange, because both parties enjoy fucking each other, and both bring either resources or excellent care for him and his children. But because in the general run of things he will likely end up wanting more sex a…
/r/RedPillWomen05/08/17 06:25 AM
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If they make a robot so advanced that men are able to have intelligent, varied conversations with it, feel like it has its own personality, and suspend disbelief and imagine that it actually loves them, then women might be obsolete to lots of men. At that point though, they should be able to make a male robot for women that can do all the same things and maybe even "earn money" by hiring out its intelligence, so that she doesn't feel like she's the provider. It could also be programmed to exhibi…
/r/RedPillWomen05/08/17 05:49 AM
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Yes, there can be understanding without caring. But I think that's it's decent to care about other people to a certain extent and advocate for them not to get screwed. I care about random men not getting "divorce raped" in the same way that I care about workers receiving a living wage, I'll argue for policies that support them, and I won't fuck anyone over myself when I'm put in the position of power. If that's enough for rp guys, then were on the same page. But some of them insist on 1) women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 10:02 AM
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The less naturally attractive the woman, the more blatantly shed have to throw herself at the guy to get his attention and interest, if she had put absolutely no effort into appearance or connecting with him. That might turn into "work" at some point. I suspect that many men, especially as they age, would have a cutoff point for attractiveness, even if she showed up on his doorstep all ready to go. Success likely depends on both her natural beauty and his level of desperation, so not all women c…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 09:17 AM
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That's a pretty interesting anecdote. Do you have any idea why your friends decided to get married, if they wanted to keep the easy eject button?
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 07:48 AM
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married and neither of us ever wanted kids. He pretty much always intended to marry someone, I think that he likes the solidity and long-lastingness of a marriage and the implication that he's now fully adult, has a stable place in the world. The other night, he also said that it was an expression of love.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 07:47 AM
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Op, this smells like he's married. Is he? You know that this isn't going anywhere. He's Not going to learn anything new about you at this point that would change his mind. Go no contact and block him, you don't owe him anything. Move on and go on lots of first dates until you feel that chemistry for someone else, preferably someone younger who will be more inclined to take you seriously and isn't discovering the joys of being a middle aged player. Or You can keep focusing your attention on being…
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 07:32 AM
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I don't understand why you're being down voted. 100% correct and I sense no malice in your original comment.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 07:18 AM
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That's a good distinction. People like to Help in ways that make them feel valuable, usually by playing to skills they're proud of. But no one wants to help in a way that puts themselves down, which is the case if you're asked to do something she can do perfectly well. It implies that your time and effort are less valuable than hers.
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 06:45 AM
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I don't get the timeline of figuring out your career, then deciding to settle down with someone. There's no reason why you can't get married while you're still in grad school or at your first job. Makes more sense for women. And agreed that the best age to find a guy is before he gets much over 30, but probably after he's gone through his immature young phase and sowed some wild oats so that he can appreciate a steady thing. Definitely "safer" to date a few years older so that you're not itching…
/r/RedPillWomen04/08/17 06:24 AM
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Disgust is a pretty strong emotion. You seem anxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 06:02 PM
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Ah yes, we/I Do focus a lot on our self interest. It's just terrible of us. :-(
/r/RedPillWomen03/08/17 05:58 PM
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I guess I'm a reddish pw. When we got together we were in about the same league, now were both in our early 30s and I suspect that if I were to be single, Id have a hard time finding another husband who is tall, attractive, great in bed, super smart, hilarious, adventurous, driven, hard working, secure in himself, not afraid of confrontations, resourceful, loving, devoted, and thoughtful. But he could find someone like me in most ways. So even though our levels of various traits aren't super dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 10:03 AM
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She did it to everyone close to her, the other two main victims being my aunt who lived with us, and myself. I think she Just has an incredibly short fuse to a pit of negative emotions. But if he had put her in her place, she would honestly have probably liked it and relaxed a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 09:28 AM
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Your angle doesn't make sense. You're dealing in shoulds and trying to shoehorn lives into a just world fantasy. "Deserves" is beside the point for any goal, for anyone. It's about "trying," as you should know from trp. Really, I blame advertising for putting this "deserves" stuff into our worldviews. "Trustworthy" is just in some guys perception, and they all define it in various ways, for some the most recent actions count for enough, and their perceptions end up being colored by emotion anywa…
/r/RedPillWomen03/08/17 09:15 AM
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I'd say that my mother's treatment of my dad might have risen to the level of emotional abuse. She would regularly go into a rage over something annoying but small. The yelling was followed by giving him the silent treatment for several days, up to 2 weeks. I mean the poor guy would come home from work and she wouldn't look at him or talk to him. She certainly belittled him to me, not sure if she ever directly told him things like "he's not that smart" and "Didn't really make that much money." I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 06:00 PM
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If a woman ends up somehow in a relationship with a guy who doesn't fully trust her, I would say that she should 1) change herself to become more trustworthy and 2) move on to someone who will give her the benefit of the doubt. If he wants to ltr but not marry her for some other reason, then she should move on and work on that aspect of herself, if it's one that seems generally a problem. Something like "trustworthiness" or "this particular man doesn't trust me" is pretty solvable.
/r/RedPillWomen02/08/17 05:30 PM
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female. I went on a couple of first dates with men who I thought were noticeably hotter than me. It was a case of them turning out to be the best possible version of their pictures. I Was more wary of their intentions, which counterbalanced the excitement. And because this is really what rp men want to know, I didn't end up getting physical with them. Went on a couple of dates with guys who looked like the worst versions of their photos, or frankly who didn't even resemble their photos. It was d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 08:32 AM
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Yeah, surely you're aware that men only want a relationship with the one who's hot on the scale of what he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 08:12 AM
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Ok, say that men aren't hypergamous by your definition, that's beside the point as they're still plenty selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 08:07 AM
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I think that if a woman is good enough for a ltr, then she's also marriageable, as long as she finds a guy who's not too jaded on marriage.
/r/RedPillWomen02/08/17 08:02 AM
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Lol, I'm merely telling him not to give the advice. But fair enough, I can report stuff
/r/RedPillWomen02/08/17 07:39 AM
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Hmm. This sounds like 50 shades fanfic, but if you're not trolling us, you're lucky to be having so much fun! Enjoy it for what it is, but just a word of caution. Men are always hoping to develop enough intimacy that they can open up to you. It doesn't sound like he's going there. Either he's not going to get serious about you, or he's decided that he refuses to be vulnerable in his relationships. I'm not telling you to stop cold turkey when it seems so great, but make sure it keeps being what y…
/r/RedPillWomen02/08/17 06:59 AM
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I don't have a theory, but I have family anecdotes. Dad's side is Caucasian American. His parents got married in the 1940s. His mom reportedly cheated with his dad's brother. His dad slept with anyone he could, and apparently went after his own teenage daughter after stumbling home drunk various times. They divorced in the 1950s. Moms side is Chinese. Her dad was adopted by his parents, as they couldn't have children. They also took in her mom when she was early teens or a bit younger to raise a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 12:44 PM
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Mmm, I'm willing to consider that there are some women introverted enough that they'd actually be more content being a spinster aunty as they get old. But the vast majority will want a lifelong relationship, and I truly cannot think of a single reason why they'd like to have the less secure version of that relationship. How does it leave them "heartbroken"?
/r/RedPillWomen01/08/17 09:51 AM
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Well, youre either legally married or not. Can't really balance that one out. I'm quite sure you realize that I'm not advocating for selfishness within the actual marriage, but instead building the best possible relationship once the future is secure.
/r/RedPillWomen01/08/17 09:45 AM
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Lol this thread. Selectivity is now associated with the super evil hypergamy, so now trp dudes want to pretend that they make no difference between a 6 and a 9. Sorry, a few internet opinions is not going to balance out actual studies and lifelong observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 09:39 AM
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All the ways to make my husband happy that I would never have learned anywhere else, with the baseline principles that "winning" and "equality" are not important.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 05:41 PM
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1) Because the bp method of total equality, in practice, often leads to lots of nagging and resentment on one side and stonewalling and resentment on the other side. Plus a dead bedroom. Now, some bp couples claim to have a great marriage -- I believe them and am happy for them. But rp will prevent the other ones from sliding toward divorce. It's totally possible to practice rp principles while having a career btw, don't think that the only way to make it work is by staying at home. 2) We can ce…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 05:38 PM
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Then don't bother to get one, I guess? If it's not a workable means of protecting the people involved, then get married without the prenup or don't get married. You are on the red pill women sub so you know which option I am going to advocate for.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 05:20 PM
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Deserves means you've missed the point of this whole conversation. Again, thinking of it from a mans pov. I cannot understand why men are crawling all over a thread giving advice to women, feeling free to inject their own self interest into it. Women should try to get lifetime commitment because it's a good idea for most of us. Talking about what is deserved is about as nonsensical as if I barged into a trp thread and started asking the guys if they feel like they deserve to sleep with hb8s. Eit…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 05:14 PM
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I don't think divorce should ever be on the table unless abuse and/or cheating is involved Agreed, so then the prenup won't get used and it's not worth arguing about. If you're going into the marriage with a "just in case" mindset of getting divorced, just don't get married in the first place. That's idealistic, but the fact is that many, many people get divorced who never thought it would happen to them. I just don't see the downside of getting one.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 04:26 AM
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Nope, definitely not a good goal. Marriage gives a woman more power, making it harder for a man to unilaterally decide that she will be one of several. "Harem" need not be a trp wet dream, and it can happen for men who don't get a ton of female interest. It can involve the 35yo accountant taking a shine to your 45yo boyfriend one year and your boyfriend then indulging in an affair, it can involve your boyfriend traveling for work a lot and having occasional flings with milfs he meets at conferen…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 04:23 AM
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Women often sets their sights on a singular man, whom the other men aren't on their radar. That gets more to the heart of the differences between the sexes. However, while men will chase multiple hot girls at once, each one will be "the best" from whatever context he met her in. He will have ignored cute girls, whom he would have gladly chatted up on another night, in order to talk to their smoking friend. If he has to choose (and it's being comfortable not choosing, indefinitely, that different…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 04:07 AM
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You are confusing the scattershot approach that men need to employ with an actual lack of caring on their part as to whether they succeed with the hb6 or they hb9.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 03:58 AM
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Men have always had an inclination to juggle (er, spin) multiple women. Especially when they catch the interest of someone who's hotter than the regular partner.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 03:56 AM
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Men on the other hand don't do this. They go for any girl who is above a certain standard of quality. Um, no. They go for the hottest girl they think they have a chance with. If that's a Russian model, they're not going to ignore her and chat up the cute 7 instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 02:25 AM
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Well, There has to be more to it than that. That is exactly what every single man does as well, focuses his attention on the hottest girl around.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 02:20 AM
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Prenups imply a lack of trust and a desire to divorce imo. Yeah, I am all about women securing their futures but I cannot agree with this. A prenup generally matters if you marry a man with significantly more assets and earnings than you have, and then divorce him. It Is pretty reasonable to not get as much as the law allows in that situation. If you are worried about the vulnerability of being a SAHM and him filing for divorce, then you can draft something that will protect you in that instance…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 02:08 AM
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Yeah, it is.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 01:08 AM
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Same here. I think refraining from premarital sex makes sense for the traditional reasons, but I'm not sure how far it will get a non- religious woman in today's world. It is probably decent advice for very young virgins reading this, but not actionable for non-virgins and women over 22 or so. Those women have the harder task of adding so much extra value that a man will marry them, even though he's already getting the milk for free.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 01:06 AM
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Marriage is exactly what makes men less likely to break up, or what indicates that men are devoted enough to not want to break up. Among unmarried couples, breakups are initiated on a roughly 50/50 basis by genders. A woman has a much better chance of getting dumped by her bf than divorced by her husband.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 12:43 AM
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This is the red pill women sub, why are you writing advice for men here? This belongs in trp or mgtow.
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 12:35 AM
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If you aren't having kids, you should be better able to maintain a higher level of SMV and financial stability on your own. Yes. But a 50yo woman's good income will not be enough to make her more appealing than 25yos, and neither will her "SMV7-for-a-50yo." Most men won't just leave you when you age unless you stopped engaging in sex, started nagging etc etc etc. This is why we disagree. I think that men are more capable of making such a move than trp wants to admit, especially if the woman does…
/r/RedPillWomen31/07/17 12:08 AM
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If you don't plan on having children, there's no reason to get married other than religious reasons. Just live together, love each other and commit to one another without the legal entanglement called marriage. I can't agree with this being good advice for women. Imo women should look for marriage whether they plan on kids or not, as that is the best means of having a man be fully committed to you in your 50s, 60s, and 70s when your smv is dropping to zero. The difference in social status is als…
/r/RedPillWomen30/07/17 09:35 PM
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Besides what everyone else has said, 1) Pick a man who thinks that your career goals are as important as his, if you feel that they are. Nothing will put a wedge between you faster than having a more traditional rp guy who wants you to make a big move that will sacrifice your career for his, or wants you to go part time, if you don't want those things. 2) Put him above your career goals anyway. He hates DC, but your best opportunities are in DC? Compromise and move to San Francisco. He is always…
/r/RedPillWomen30/07/17 09:05 PM
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Move on. It's likely he is just letting you down easy and doesn't want to date you. Or if he does right now, don't count on him still remembering in a year or two, given that you guys have no history together. What's certain is that if he felt interested enough that he would actually come back to you years later, he would already have asked you out before now. Don't waste the best years of your life hoping for his return. Move on.
/r/RedPillWomen30/07/17 08:36 PM
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Great advice in this thread. Don't take shit personally. If you do, keep it strictly to yourself and don't let it affect your behavior. Be a Direct communicator without anger. No passive aggressive games. Be pleasant to everyone and make small talk with everyone from janitorial staff to senior directors once in a while. Be as feminine as you want in terms of personality and style, but don't bring in the bad feminine ways of dealing with people - negative emotions, passive aggressiveness, favorit…
/r/RedPillWomen29/07/17 11:15 PM
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Get a man who falls in a range of equally to a little bit more intelligent than you. Don't fall for the idea that a degree indicates smarts, or that lacking one means he's not analytical and well read. Unless you're in the top 1% of female intelligence, you will be fine.
/r/RedPillWomen29/07/17 11:03 PM
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You can probably predict that a guy will be like this by seeing that he has a bunch of stuff going on in his life that is hard to attain by being anything less than driven. The guys you date are probably in great shape, work hard toward their careers, and generally don't fuck up. Dig a little and they'll tell you about their 6am/5days per week workout schedule and you will notice that they are constantly working. You will not hear about lazy days watching tv or mistakes they made out of laziness…
/r/RedPillWomen29/07/17 10:55 PM
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Career struggles. Dating life is great but you're "paying your dues" at the bottom of the totem pole, not making much money, and don't know if you'll succeed. Or else you might be working a dead end job trying to figure out your next move. Same thing young men struggle with. Dear God I don't miss that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 09:18 AM
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What's interesting is that in my experience, the harassment starts at about 12 or 13 and continues through early 20s, then tapering off. It's definitely most awful for young teens. So the women you aren't protecting mostly are children or barely more than that. By the time they're old enough to be evil etc, they don't get harassed much anymore. It's an odd cycle, where young girls get jaded by street harassment and groping on public transit, think men are creeps and become bitchy, and their beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:22 AM
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Yes, those moments are nice, and it's wonderful to be desired. I'd imagine that what really kicks it up a notch is also having a ton of money in trust that you can spend, so that you don't have to put in time earning enough to live and you can afford a rich person lifestyle. I put in plenty of time in my fun 20s doing boring, unpleasant shit so that I can support myself into old age. My friends who just partied escaped the drudgery then, but they're starting to feel the pain now of worrying abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 08:29 AM
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This is about right. I didn't realize I could really be envious of another woman in this way until I actually had a Zooey in my friend circle. She wasn't even the hottest girl around, but she had sort of a pixie charm that made a ton of guys actually fall in love with her. She is definitely a user who has likely red pilled a few guys by now, but she's so sweet that it takes a while to put it together. Men have actually signed real estate over to her, which has to be the equivalent of Chad sleepi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 06:01 PM
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Men struggling hard in the smp, because they can't find someone or they keep getting burned, will drop out. Some permanently, many for a short or long while. Men happy in relationships or successfully sleeping around will dabble in vr porn to jerk off, maybe a lot during dry spells, but they'll keep engaging with women. It will be exactly like legalizing prostitution at affordable rates. I wonder if one difference might be that it would dry up demand for cam girls though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 08:45 AM
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1) A certain amount of hatred toward women is probably necessary in order to distort reality such that you get to "women are children." 2) Hateful or not is beside the point, the problem is really what results from people thinking that "women are children."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 08:32 AM
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"Subconscious" in quotes because men think that various behaviors are so, when women may well know that they are doing them, have an idea why, and actually be crafting them to a certain extent. Stuff appears to be subconscious that isn't. Inconsistencies included.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 07:59 AM
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Being submissive in a healthy way involves first VETTING the hell out of whoever you're with for a year or more, because if he's not a good leader, then what you have is crap, as you will never be able to take charge in a way that actually makes both of you happy and functions well long term. Once you vet him and see that he's a decent, smart, responsible guy who loves you and has your best interests at heart, but who has various flaws, you let him make the decisions. You let him fail at sometim…
/r/RedPillWomen26/07/17 07:46 AM
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Doing my best to create it right now! Motive: To feel happy, loved, and content. End game: to be happy together until one of us dies. Modern stuff: We are child free and dual income, on track to make similar amounts. Each of us makes it a priority to please the other one in bed, and we are pretty uninhibited. He has absolutely supported my career. We are good friends and have great emotional intimacy. While he definitely is tougher and more resilient than I am, we both see it as my job to step u…
/r/RedPillWomen26/07/17 07:15 AM
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A lot of the top post suggestions on the post you linked are good. I hope I don't sound like a troll or a wanna be Stepford wife, but the absolute best medicine might be the trifecta: backrub, blowjob, and footrub. Hey, If I can't give this advice here, then where can I give it? Just offer one, two, or all when you see him stressed out or having a bad day. Don't undertake the whole thing if it's going to make you grumpy as that is counterproductive, do what you can. Even a 20 second shoulder rub…
/r/RedPillWomen25/07/17 11:00 AM
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She didn't fuck Chad, she was dating David the Sociology major, had a ONS when they broke up and then dated some guy for two years until she realised he was super responsible and cute but didn't turn her on. In terms of the Chad fantasy, I think this nails it for many women. Normal relationships with normal guys, which didn't work out, and some ONS and FWB in between with mostly normal guys. There might be one or two in the mix whom she really had a crush on and couldn't get for a relationship, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 08:09 AM
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I'm purple pill so will post here. I am married and think we have the right ingredients and attitude to last forever, but having seen so many people get divorced, it is hard to shake a feeling that divorce will just happen someday. Like developing cancer, or dying. Can't picture it at all, but one day the mysterious process will bear its ugly fruit, and that will be that. I have to credit red pill theory, especially rpw, for giving me the awareness and tools to keep up my end. I had some dumb id…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 07:39 AM
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You are still just observing behaviors. You don't know exactly how conscious women are of them, why exactly they did them, what they are actually thinking and feeling during and after, and what they end up learning or taking away. "Subconscious" or natural seeming behaviors are often crafted consciously, based on how you or others seem like you will respond. Additionally, the "power talk" That women use is very deceptive, it tends to obscure what weare thinking. The other problem is that unless …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 06:26 AM
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Yeah, agreed to pretty much all of this. And Id add that this should be taught to young women while they still can get with someone they find genuinely attractive. Their youthful beauty coincides with a period of youthful stupidity, and there's no recovery. But the message isn't socially acceptable, I have a teenage half sister who should hear about this but am not sure how to say it so she'll listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 05:58 AM
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You don't get what it is that women enjoy about sex. It's the experience of a hot guy desiring and passionately fucking us with everything he has. Male desire is active and so if a 10/10 guy is just kind of going through the motions, it's no good, it's why women won't ever get into sex robots or whatever. Men might get pleasure out of fucking a 10/10 who isn't really into it, but women are different. And to answer the question, I actually don't enjoy receiving oral, so I'd pick guy 1, but only i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:36 PM
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Yes, there is... you see it whenever men automatically chase the hottest girl in a group of attractive women, no matter what, and also when they get dissatisfied with the girlfriend who's been loyal to them through their 20s because they can now pull hotter women, and also when they ignore their middle aged wives and fall in love with 25yo side pieces. The major difference is that they are more likely to be content with still keeping the less attractive woman around and just demoting her And ign…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 06:28 AM
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Great explanation. I think it's not often possible for "high standards" to not include intense sexual attraction and passion. Standards for certain other things might go up, but only as a poor substitute for being hot for someone. And great husband qualities actually don't make much of a relationship foundation if there isn't sexual passion to begin with. That's all correct. But the thing that isn't as trp imagines is the passion women tend to have toward their youthful hookups. Those are often …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:38 AM
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Great explanation. I think it's not often possible for "high standards" to not include intense sexual attraction and passion. Standards for certain other things might go up, but only as a poor substitute for being hot for someone. And great husband qualities actually don't make much of a relationship foundation if there isn't sexual passion to begin with. That's all correct. But the thing that isn't as trp imagines is the passion women tend to have toward their youthful hookups. Those are often …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:37 AM
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Let's take any guy raging out on this story and give him a fiancee, and say that he thinks a 19yo Megan Fox is one of the hottest women on the planet (for example). Put him in Vegas, have him drink some alcohol, and Megan is there, and for some reason she just really likes him and is flirting and rubbing up on him all night, seduces him back to her room and initiates sex. As if he wouldn't cheat. I don't think you get to moralize about behavior that you would do if the same opportunity was offer…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 01:01 AM
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Third date. I wanted to very badly and had been fantasizing about it all week, so there was no way I was letting another date go by without trying for it. Luckily it worked out!
/r/RedPillWomen21/07/17 06:04 AM
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Husbands have rarely really been expected to hold up their end of that traditional deal, they got to sleep with prostitutes/anyone willing, and wives had to put up with it for financial reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 05:40 AM
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You have to chill out. No food, slippers, or presents for him. He doesn't need that stuff. You've already apologized. It's time to go away and focus on doing things that are good for you, so that you can get in a better mental state whether you break up or not. Every time you try and reel him back in, you are perpetuating the cycle where you expect him to reciprocate in some way and get sad if he doesn't. Get your mental health to a better place so that your happiness doesn't ride so intensely o…
/r/RedPillWomen13/07/17 05:57 PM
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This is one of the major issues I have with rpw. I do think I understand why they are so reluctant to discuss how women can get what we want when it goes against a guys best interest. The gains from practicing it, or the amusement of discussing it, might not be worth the harm that would come from men thinking that you're too amoral to be "wife material." Hence the constant virtue signaling over there. But really, I've always thought that it would be interesting and useful to explore how red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 08:10 AM
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Being too nice/too available turns men off. Very true. OP, don't base your actions on what TRP says they want in a girlfriend. Because they have gotten badly burned, they rearrange their natural preferences. Men naturally expect that you are still vetting them and not willing to go full wifey in the early stages. Sounds like you ended up appearing oddly willing to give your all to a new relationship, which probably made him uncomfortable and unfortunately, probably made him value you less. We ar…
/r/RedPillWomen29/05/17 08:20 PM
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I have a relatively high count and I know this isn't a great thing to say, but its possible to be diplomatic when discussing this topic with a male. Nobody is going to make you take a lie detector test, you know. I tend to agree that a high N count isn't the inevitable ruin that some make it out to be. But I wouldn't fudge the number or try to escape the conversation. If it's really a deal breaker for the guy, he deserves to know. That said, I bet that a lot of guys who don't want a high N girl …
/r/RedPillWomen29/05/17 08:13 PM
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Then if a society's birthrate was not where it should be, what solutions would you suggest?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:45 PM
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From my perspective, women receive far more government benefits through taxes than they should. It is you who are oversimplifying, I made it clear that these incentives would not just go to "women." nonproductive output Read up on what happens in a society with a lot of old people and a small productive workforce and get back to me. controlled immigration Fine alternative if it can be made to work. make abortion illegal, or stripping women of privileges Now who's being selectively moral? giving …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:38 PM
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You can't remove the issue of morality from governance. But I also believe massive redistribution of wealth to subsidize the private decision to have children is morally wrong and exploitive of the taxpayer. As long as it provides the taxpayer (not just the mother) with additional benefits he wouldn't otherwise receive, and those benefits are proportional to taxation, it's not exploitive. As has been said in this thread, fewer babies (especially ones likely to become highly productive) means tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:17 PM
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In reality, this would likely exacerbate the single motherhood epidemic already present in this country. Maybe. The low birthrate complaints in the U.S. tend to be that the better educated/upper classes are not having enough babies (not that we don't have enough babies on the whole), so the incentives could be geared specifically toward those women, rather than providing additional bonuses for all mothers. If you're worried that those women would become single mothers, then you could make the in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:53 PM
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Well, I don't completely reject TRP, only some parts of it. But maybe my answer will be useful. 1) Some combination of qualities that produces extremely strong sexual chemistry between us. Honestly, and unfortunately, that would probably be enough to keep me around. But if I were able to make myself think with my big head, then I might also need these qualities: 2) At least as smart as I am (though that's usually bound up in #1). 3) Kind/loving/adoring toward me (tends to be bound up in #1, thou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:38 PM
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1) I wouldn't be in a relationship with a guy who planned never to get married unless there was no other/better choice. 2) Having read the MGTOW forum and the subreddit, I just find it extremely unlikely that the guy doesn't hold any misogynistic beliefs, or even that he's over the anger phase. I also agree with other posters that his active concern about alimony and child support payments within a loving, supportive relationship would indicate that he does have underlying misogynistic beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:24 PM
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You are confusing additional compensation to women who already have/would have kids for additional compensation to women who otherwise wouldn't have them. The second one is just good sense for a society that is worried about declining birth rates. If not enough women are having children, then clearly the current compensation scheme isn't working properly and should be restructured until the birthrate is back where it needs to be. Maybe society doesn't need to compensate people for choices they m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:17 PM
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I didn't feel I could say anything nice, so I didn't say anything else about it. This is completely key! And sometimes, it's incredibly hard to say nothing. Your self-control and reasonableness are serving you really well. I'm trying to follow the same principles with my own husband! My own mother was completely the opposite—if my father screwed up in any way, she just had to tell him about it, at length. It's so important to keep in mind that our husbands are operating completely from good fait…
/r/RedPillWomen14/05/17 04:19 AM
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Sometimes husbands are wrong hun. If the wife moves on as gracefully as Sadie did, there's no problem in acknowledging it, because there's no temper tantrum, no threats, no passive aggressiveness. No need to distort reality out of fear that she will blow things up. I have to work, I have to be with my family five nights a week, baby has to have a schedule, I have to sleep ... minimum requirements Haha, they are indeed.
/r/RedPillWomen14/05/17 04:10 AM
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She said that they want to hold women accountable for their actions as hyperagents. Key term, which you removed from your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:37 AM
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How do you get the basic necessities for yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 03:19 AM
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We have the stats. Contrary to false rape accusations, rape is a big problem. Acknowledging that rape is a big problem does not have to prevent you from acknowledging that false accusations are also a serious problem when they occur. The stats on false accusation rates aren't particularly helpful—as in, they're all over the place—because varying definitions and standards of proof pose an obstacle. However, it is certainly something that happens, and many men report having been affected by it. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 02:44 AM
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There is a silent genocide of beta males in progress. In a generation or two, once you have removed most beta male DNA, there will be no one left to innovate, build and maintain the complexity On the day when men start to choose sexual partners based on their high level of resourcefulness and intellect, instead of beauty, you will get the right to complain about women not doing that, at least not as much as you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 01:56 AM
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This is fine by me. If men can be super fuckable such that they don't have to bring anything else to the table, then sounds fun for everyone. If this harms the economy, then doubtless these men will start working harder so that they can survive, which will turn things around. No, really. I don't think that anyone has a responsibility to spend his life doing something hateful just to benefit "society." But seriously, this isn't even a realistic revenge fantasy. Men work because they want decent f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/17 12:55 AM
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I have had to upvote every comment you made in this chain. You are dead on, and that's coming from a 30-y-o woman. OP, when I was 26, I was still within my prime, and I had heard about this decline in looks and observed that older women didn't look as good, but had a hard time picturing how I myself might change. I have gained no weight, but there have been changes over the last four years... everything is very subtle but my face just isn't so pretty anymore. The only major thing I would add (to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 06:32 PM
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Absolutely. I think the last two rom-coms I watched were Bridesmaids and about 20 minutes of Trainwreck. Bridesmaids I watched before my RP days and I thought it was ok, but now I wouldn't be able to suspend my disbelief long enough to think that it's actually desirable for her to end up with the beta-bucks police officer. Trainwreck? I couldn't suspend my disbelief long enough to believe that any of these hot men would be trying to date Amy Schumer (not sure I needed RP for that though), and I …
/r/RedPillWomen12/05/17 06:09 PM
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it makes me feel like I have to extra careful and respectful and sure to not abuse the privilege! Couldn't have said it better!
/r/RedPillWomen12/05/17 05:52 PM
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You sound like you have something pretty great. Nothing more desirable than a man who's gentle with you and firm on everyone else! Husband is the same way. Kind, considerate, playful, and loving. Always telling me how much he loves me. Puts himself out to help me when I have a lot going on. Lets me chase him around the house and pretends to be scared. But he is often fighting battles with people. He never shies away from conflict, and he doesn't try to conciliate. He tends to think that he's rig…
/r/RedPillWomen11/05/17 02:30 AM
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Yeah... I feel for your roommate but these do not sound like the makings of a life-long relationship. She shouldn't move in with him yet, he's probably not going to ask her to marry him and if she does live with him it will be so much harder to move on. More to the point, though, if you think it's hard finding someone at 34 - well just wait til she's 44 and single again. Because that's where this is going. Even if this guy sincerely intends to marry her, they sound like they're not on the same p…
/r/RedPillWomen10/05/17 03:20 AM
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There are several times I was sitting at my desk, contemplating on quitting my job and just go work at Jimmy John's or Best Buy. Seeing women date deadbeats, drug dealers, bad boys, etc when I'm slaving away, doing the responsible thing, and it wasn't good enough. Sigh... so women are awful when they care a lot about a man providing material stuff for them (every other post in MGTOW), and they're also awful when they don't care about a man providing material stuff for them (this thread). Tell me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 11:08 PM
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you high
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 07:20 PM
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Uh, I'm a woman? Look at my flair
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 05:07 PM
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I was going to tell you that you shouldn't worry about what he thinks, since he's likely a 19-y-o who would be obviously crazy if you met him in real life. Then I saw that down thread, two other guys are telling you that he's only wrong in that some level of willingness is necessary to make the physical aspect simpler. Eh, I'm still going to say that this is when we have to remember that most guys in real life don't think like the ones here on PPD. I've known guys who genuinely admire smarts and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 05:04 PM
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Pretty much this exactly. Radfems notwithstanding, women in the West have gotten most of the things they wanted without resorting to revolution. They mostly realize that. Even the ones who are still pushing for more realize that they can do it easier by working within the system. A women's revolution makes a lot more sense someplace like Saudi Arabia, but lol... good luck to them if they try. Insofar as we need a revolution in the west, it's a class-based one. In fact that's exactly what we've s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 04:42 PM
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TIL that a woman's desire for a funny man stems from her self-absorption and lack of reason
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 10:37 PM
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Radfem is a subset that calls for literal revolution, wants to do away with femininity (and often with sexuality) as an oppressive, humiliating construct, and wants to do away with self-identified "manhood" because they think that to identify as a man is automatically to identify as an oppressor of women. The “men-are-evil” radfem perspective can coexist with various feminist policies, but it doesn’t stem from the same principles of equality and pragmatism that have driven mainstream feminism. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 09:32 PM
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It's a hell of a lot better than if he's hitting on a woman who's the same as or hotter than me If I'm Best Buy, I might have a qualm if I see that the dingy corner store has been selling a few Androids, but it would be worse if a Fry's opened up on the next block, and I'd be pissed if an Apple Store started renting the space next to me
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 07:03 PM
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And if we said that openly then TRP would call us cruel, heartless bitches and start in on how much kinder men are than women, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 07:01 PM
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Don't be afraid to guide a women by the hand or position her around you. Yeah, that can be fun. Each successful kino adds +2% to your chance of having sex. If done within 5 seconds subsequent kinos stack. So when your hitting on a girl hit her with 40 different kinos in a row for a guaranteed lay. Lol now we've gone over the line, this is supposed to work when two people are just hanging out talking? This is foreplay and should be used as such, I would be surprised if it works in the context of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:31 PM
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This discussion is pointless without a working definition of "morality." Lots of goalpost-shifting
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:12 PM
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And wife can get it even if she's the one who blows up the marriage. If the husband didn't do anything wrong (addiction, abuse, adultery), and she files, she certainly shouldn't get it. In fact, I'm in favor of ending no-fault divorce. I never said it was a good deal, I'm merely refuting the claim that it is a good deal for a SAHM who ends up getting divorced, unless she falls into the tiny minority of women who walk away with tons of assets from a rich husband, or possibly unless she lives in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:09 PM
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telling them they are privileged for suffering the way they do is no way to do it Not saying that. Just refuting the claim that women are privileged in the aftermath of being a divorced SAHM. She doesn't have to take on that financial burden and can maybe over time improve her financial situation. My point is that unless she's very lucky or very smart, she will never be able to recoup the earning potential she would have had by staying in the workforce that whole time. I'm not just talking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 06:02 PM
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Ballsy, verbally and physically assertive Determined and doesn't give up easily Sexy and fantastic in bed Loving, adoring, and kind to me Actively supports and helps me with my goals At least as smart and verbal as me Has overcome significant obstacles Doesn't care about what other people think ...But other people think he's great Can make a financial plan and stick to it ETA: Forgot to say that he must be hilarious, witty, and playful Also nice: Upbeat and cheery Full head of hair Can fix thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 11:31 PM
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You're almost right. The problem for older women is that high-value men are already married and likely have been for decades, and will stay that way. Even if still fit, they're left with unattractive dudes or egomaniacs who relentlessly chase younger women (as shown by your data). If they want to get married, it will be to an unattractive dude or a much older egomaniac for whom she's the younger meat. The men who aren't shallow and want a real partner were off the market in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 09:33 PM
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This is pretty accurate, but it's also perfectly natural and understandable for a woman to feel hurt, because he didn't like her enough (doesn't that hurt all of us?) and used, because it's pretty impossible to escape that cultural baggage and if she worries about her N count, well she just added another notch. That is simply how she's going to feel about it. The memory of the fun sex will now be tainted because it involved her being vulnerable to someone who actually didn't care for her. Was it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 04:10 AM
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Lifespans go until 75-85 nowadays, so the woman who stopped working at 25, raised kids for some time, and gets divorced at 40 is completely finished in terms of achieving a well-off old age. Her ex-husband will definitely lose more in the several years after the divorce happens, but once the kids are grown and there's no more child support, and with life-long alimony a thing of the past, her financial outlook is crummy compared to what it might have been if she had worked the whole time. He will…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 03:31 AM
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Also this might be unpopular but IMO, RPW is a better strategy to implement after you have a man. A lot of the women who post on here thanking the sub for improving their relationship, but they were already in a relationship with a guy to begin with. You need to have a lot of confidence and be the prize that he wins over before you defer to him like that. Otherwise, you're in the same "nice girl" trap as a beta guy. Accurate. I've hung out on a couple other forums with RP folks and the single wo…
/r/RedPillWomen07/05/17 02:15 AM
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but it would let down the 20% of each group by trying to keep them in a box Definitely true. In addition, though, I'm not sure exactly what these different learning styles are, and I also suspect there's more overlap than not in the way boys and girls learn. As long as we're teaching boys and girls the same subjects, surely it makes more sense to teach them using multiple methods so that you a) maximize their understanding through their preferred style and b) help them develop their non-preferre…
/r/RedPillWomen04/05/17 09:32 PM
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TRP-style men, whose opinions you have been reading, tend to build their narratives around a desire to avoid future pain. That includes their purported preferences. These are men who are dead afraid of getting screwed in a relationship and who intuit that a more perceptive woman may be able to see the "beta" side they are trying to shed. They want women to have traits that would make those things less likely to happen. Their stated preferences in their blog posts, comments, etc don't line up wit…
/r/RedPillWomen04/05/17 09:19 PM
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IMO it's a binary thinking fallacy to say that if men and women have some fundamental differences, then they must be different across the board. While men and women each excel in certain areas of intelligence (spatial vs social, etc), it's not the case that men as a group are significantly above women in terms of analytical intelligence. Look at the distribution for any test that measures analytical intelligence, and you will see that men have more geniuses and more idiots, so the gender differe…
/r/RedPillWomen03/05/17 05:52 PM
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That a man with a crappy childhood, who doesn't get attention from women in his 20s, sometimes becomes irredeemably twisted up inside, even long after the sexual advantage has switched in his favor. This one gets hidden pretty well in real life. That men with a certain attachment pattern hate women for their natural self-interest, because they fear her either pulling away or pushing back due to opposing needs. I've seen some evidence of this one in real life. That a bad marriage can make a man t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:57 AM
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Dear God, I would be grateful as hell to anyone who paid for me to swan around Manhattan all day. She needs to work for some time just to remember that a) she's got it made and b) every morning when her husband leaves the house, he toils his butt off out of her sight. Having read a bunch of these, though, I suspect that many of them are made up. They're usually written in the same style and involve ordering food delivery from an app I've never heard of. It really gets obvious when the diary is f…
/r/RedPillWomen03/05/17 07:43 AM
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Alpha mentality when unchecked I've seen this idea around a bunch lately, that men have a natural inclination to be alpha (assertive, determined, confident, resilient) but they get turned beta (meek, unconfident) because of society's conditioning. This is just incorrect. Alpha traits by definition incline a person to naturally reject social conditioning without fearing conflict. A man who displays a beta personality is naturally/genetically beta. If there was an alpha in there, it would not wait…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:33 AM
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This problem is underrated IMO. I had a couple of guys in my friend groups when I was younger who couldn't get a girl, their problem was that they went only for girls who had significantly better options. Who knows what might have happened if they had pursued lower SMV girls. One of them had a few conversations with me where he bemoaned the fact that he had had a few major crushes on girls and they never seemed to really care that he existed. I hadn't found RP at the time, but I actually gave hi…
/r/RedPillWomen30/04/17 06:01 PM
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Great post. I agree, although I would add that sometimes women's sexual strategy clashes with men's (as with marriage/no-marriage), and I prefer that RPW uphold women's sexual strategy in those instances. MRP is a place where men can pursue their optimal strategy within relationships, women also need a space like that. It gets complicated because the success of a woman's relationship depends on prioritizing her man's needs in most things, but we can't lose the structure that keeps us safe while …
/r/RedPillWomen27/04/17 06:21 PM
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That's kind of accurate. RP has a bunch of useful tools and it has some truths that aren't spoken in many other places. But it also spins off some crazyass ideas from the core truths. Those ideas are best thought of as tools for the very hurt and angry to better their situations (avoid all women, let yourself embrace the anger, walk away from society) but they are routinely seen as theory (all women are whores/children, society would be better off if it were more like Saudi Arabia). But even if …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 05:58 PM
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Laws are tools that push society toward a better state, they don't confer moral acceptance on the activities they regulate. Of course by making laws we're saying that the laws themselves are moral, but a moral analysis of legal action should also account for the inequities that come from the roads not taken. Refusing to accept prostitution's gender inequities isn't the moral choice if legalization would end the class and gender inequality that comes from women not being able to make money via pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 05:33 PM
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ITT: Guys who know that the rules of the game changed about 40 years ago, decide to play anyway but surprise! only by the old rules because they like them better
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:04 PM
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French presidential candidate Macron is married to a woman more than 20 years older than him. I might sound like a pervert, but I can absolutely see the appeal of his 17-year-old self (as I imagine it) to the much older woman. She is exceedingly lucky to have had him all throughout his youth. She must be much more secure than I would be, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:32 PM
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I think so. When I have been in settings with younger guys (work, school), I've generally developed a mild crush on one or two of them. I'm married though so it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:31 PM
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dominance, forthrightness, intelligence When these qualities are present in ~20-y-o guys, it's pretty hot and feels different from finding them in an older man. I think this might say something about how I perceive our society, but to me a young man can be more genuinely on top of the world than almost any older one. Sure he is probably poor and hasn't achieved much yet, but he still has that sort of fresh determination, ego, and ballsiness that can't be sustained over many years of taking shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:25 PM
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I was looking for this post. What people need to realize is that women have it easier finding LTRs for the first 15 or so years of their lives, and then they spend the next 50 years struggling more than men do. Talking about people of comparable attractiveness, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:54 PM
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Most men are not abusing their women and family, that's an absurd and misandrist proposition. Women wouldn't tolerate it overall. Women don't tolerate it if they can help it... but before feminism, the laws allowed a man to do almost anything he wanted to his wife and children, and they had no legal recourse. Others in the thread have given very thorough explanations of what the laws were. So while men are out of the house most of the day, women were still being subjugated? I think not. He doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:24 PM
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You are correct, most men were/are pretty heavily oppressed by society. Ways in which men traditionally oppressed women: 1) Household hierarchy. Although a lot of shit about a person's life is dictated by his ruler and his boss, the people at home are also pretty influential. If the household is set up so that men have nearly unlimited power over women, then men's daily experience will be of ruling the home and women's daily experience will be of subjugation to their husbands. A lot of men don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:27 PM
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is it less likely to be painful if the guy is super hot (because more experience is assumed?), or is it a "Oh well, at least he was hot" kind of thing? Woman with sexual pain problem here. Body just reacts differently the more I'm attracted to a guy. Attraction is key, not just physical hotness, but of course hotness is going to be a factor. Reaction differences: Vagina gets more wet, opens up and tries to pull him in rather than closing against him, gets deeper to accommodate him, moves in a wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:31 PM
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The problem is that OP's (or anyone's) bf could be avoiding marriage due to either reason, or both, without her knowing for sure why. It puts a woman in a bind where if she guesses wrong, then she ends up spending years with a man who isn't fully committed to her and will doubtless manifest that at some point. It's better for a woman to find a man who will actually marry her, to avoid that potential outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 02:58 AM
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Yeah, you could. Some men think that marriage gives them security as well, for exactly that reason. As you get older—especially as a woman—you will have a harder time finding an awesome guy if you're back on the market. It just gets less and less likely that you can find companionship, friendship, and sex of the same caliber as what you got in your 20s. You might split up from your bf at 50 and start dating again only to find that the goods are exceedingly odd. He, on the other hand, has a much …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 02:23 AM
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I don't care about tone and I don't think most people here do either. We just don't want shitty content. Exactly what I said in my first comment.
/r/RedPillWomen24/04/17 02:03 AM
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You misunderstand what I was trying to say. Nothing about providing in there. I'm talking about keeping a man around when you are a middle-aged and old woman for companionship, friendship, and sex, even though he could go off and get those things from someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 02:00 AM
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My mother and father, despite being divorced and remarried twice themselves, are upset that I'm not going to get married...and yet neither them nor my siblings can come up with a better reason to do so than "you're supposed to want to". You're a woman yes? They might worry that you will spend lots of years with your bf only to have him start looking elsewhere when you're older and have fewer options. When you give a man your youth and make sacrifices to stay with him, usually you're hoping for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 11:25 PM
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My first reaction was how can I be better to prevent this situation from happening again, but that's impossible isn't it? Yes. He's just a guy who likes to sleep with hookers and doesn't think it's wrong. He probably has an easy time staying faithful at bars because he'd rather pay for it anyway. Many a supermodel has gotten divorced because no matter how great she was, it didn't change her husband from being a guy who likes to sleep with strange and doesn't think it's wrong. Many an average wom…
/r/RedPillWomen23/04/17 09:26 PM
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Do you think there's a "marriage game" where both people need to feel like the other is a catch and both have to seem not desperate? I think that people are driven to try and get approval from those who hold it out of reach, and they're automatically suspicious when it's given too quickly or someone seems desperate for their approval. It's a proxy for a person's status, and it also feeds into actual status. Does it play a role in the marriage decision? Not unless the couple is still trying to sn…
/r/RedPillWomen23/04/17 09:10 PM
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RP men's subreddits do not look favorably on comments made by those who think they know how to help in an RP way but miss the mark. Comments made by women tend to be particularly egregious because 1) they are coming from a different experience, 2) they tend to be self-serving, and 3) no one was trying to date the snowflake making the comment so her peculiarities aren't relevant. Flip the genders around and I believe RPW is trying to guard against the same problems here.
/r/RedPillWomen23/04/17 08:55 PM
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1) 30 2) Female 3) Married 4) Plan for big expenditures. Plan for student loan payments and dumping money into retirement accounts. Otherwise, no budget. 5) Everything is joint so there's no solo decision-making on anything above $100-200, not like when I was single obviously. I tend to be more frugal on my own and have done item-by-item budgeting in the past. We have both had times of getting carried by the other person financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 08:14 PM
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If you're not going to have kids, you shouldn't get married unless you've found a fucking amazing LTR with someone who is everything to you: great in bed, always in your corner, gets you deep down, makes you laugh like no one else can, is most fun person to adventure with, and willing and able to take things on their shoulders when you get sick or lose your job (one of which will almost certainly happen at some point). If you find that LTR, you maybe should get married. Benefits: Being able to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 05:04 PM
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My husband is the son of a single mom. He has never met his bio father. His mom got pregnant young and left the dad because he was abusive, married my husband's stepdad several years later. Speaking negatively about their father: His mom has told him that his dad was abusive and comes from a fucked up family. I don't know the specifics of when she told him or how much detail she went into. IMO there's a big difference between telling your son these things once he's near adulthood, because he sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:48 AM
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My husband is two years older than me. He's probably not as well-seasoned now as he will be when he's 50, but I don't think that it matters so much how objectively mature a man is, more that he's a bit farther along than his woman and can teach and protect her—which is the case, we joke that I'm like his little cub. The relationship should succeed as long as both people keep growing and getting better, forgiving each other for silly mistakes along the way. I was open to dating men up to 40 when …
/r/RedPillWomen21/04/17 06:28 AM
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Pretty much my thinking too. My grandmother has been a widow for the last 20 years. My old boss married a man a couple of decades older than herself, and I perceived that there were limits to how well he could Captain her as a frail man of eighty.
/r/RedPillWomen21/04/17 06:08 AM
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This is pretty correct. I'd say that the prestige of her job is somewhat important though to upper-middle-class/professional men, they want to be able to say that they're dating a med student or doctor, not a barista. Of course, that applies mainly to LTRs and marriage and not so much to casual dating or hookups. I'm actually curious about whether really wealthy men—a step above white-collar professionals—care so much about the prestige of their wives or girlfriends. It seems like they're suffic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:51 AM
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That's true, but if he intentionally gives her the impression that she's earning his commitment when she's not, then he's lying about her having accomplished the job when she hasn't. An honest man would let her go, if she wants, to work on someone else. What elitespartanranger described is like having her unwittingly stay on to do volunteer work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:25 AM
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Thank you, I'm kind of amazed that so many straight women are agreeing with OP. Lots of cute guys around, I'd actually flip it and say that it's easier for a guy to be passably cute. It's just that a hot guy can torpedo his own SMV by being dumb, annoying, wimpy, or what have you, but a girl's SMV remains as it is almost no matter her personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 12:29 AM
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Damn you salty bro. Rewatch the video and look at the marriage stats, it's actually better-educated women and women in the upper class who are more likely to get married, and to men in their class, and those marriages are less likely to end in divorce. Stop paying attention to the HuffPo and DailyMail articles about some sad-sack single 40-y-o woman peddling a book on spinsterhood and go by the numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 12:19 AM
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Yep, and I'll add that the older straight bachelors I've known (no marriage, no LTR) tended to be in much better shape than the older straight married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 12:09 AM
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I've watched half my sisters and many of other women in my extended family slam up against the realization that there are no men that they find acceptable that are or would be interested in them. That's a wall. Agreed. I have absolutely zero attraction to the vast majority of twenty-somethings, and haven't for a while... This is not a wall, but a funnel of sorts. If your point of view was widespread, it would certainly mitigate the wall for women quite a bit, as it would mean that older men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 11:00 PM
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Is there a point at which women's attraction for men drops off? Yes, a little, but it is much higher and much more permeable than the aging out point for women - and that makes sense form an evolutionary perspective. That's exactly what the wall is. I'd venture to say that it hits men about 10-15 years later than it does women. You are right that they are better able to fight back against it by developing various qualities, but each year that passes after, say, 40 years old means that they have …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 10:17 PM
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I may still not be understanding what you mean about professional women. Do you mean that they would be harmed by foregoing marriage because they would then have to work the 80-hour weeks themselves, instead of settling down as some successful guy's well-educated wife? That's a bit incredulous, don't you think? It's the truth. Even the 30+ women in the circle I described have absolutely no interest in marriage, or long-term commitment either really. They have cool hipster/punk/Burning Man lifest…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 09:55 PM
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It's probably your looks, but your best solution here is just to stop trying to force it with guys who don't want to talk to you, and then (this is the hard part) to not care that they didn't want to talk to you. You're probably in college? Guys your age are extremely simple creatures. They want to sleep with hot girls, and since their social skills likely aren't the best either, they don't want to step out of their comfort zone unless they have to. They are pouring their limited energies into t…
/r/RedPillWomen17/04/17 05:08 AM
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No, it probably wouldn't be any grosser than that. I dunno—find an old rich lady who's down, hook up with her, and get back to me. It's one thing to contemplate this, but it's another thing to be faced with an actual gnarly old dude with bad breath and riches, as I and probably most women have been when we were young. Obviously some are more able to stand it than others are, though, see the link above. More power to them? I just cannot imagine it. I married a pretty sexy guy—no amount of money, …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:42 AM
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I doubt that my feelings of attraction are particularly controllable, I would wager that the reactions I'm talking about come from deep within the primitive brain and are essentially there to let me know if I should make babies with someone or not. Could I overwrite them? Maybe with a lot of therapy. But maybe not—after all gay aversion therapy doesn't work, and from everything I've read it's pretty much impossible to get rid of fetishes and kinks, too. You are describing something that sounds d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 04:28 AM
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Haha no, I'm speaking on behalf of women who make ends meet with dog walking, a barista job, some waitressing or bartending, working at a school, and trying to sell their art. Millennial/young Gen X hipsters. What's funny is that they might financially benefit from marrying a well-off guy, but they have absolutely no interest in that. I also don't know any who receive state benefits, they mostly just putter along and sometimes things come to a head and they have to crash on friends' couches for …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 03:53 AM
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Yeah for sure. I'm merely pushing back against the idea that women are solely attracted to power and that it doesn't matter whether youth or good looks form any part of that power. If that were the case, Trump should be one of the hottest guys on earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 03:20 AM
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Interesting... that may be your experience, but I doubt it holds for everyone, male or female. I've sort of had the opposite experience. Went on dates with men who seemed reasonably attractive, near my "baseline" and had things going for them, things started to click and then they kissed me—and something about our chemistry made the kiss repulsive and I almost started gagging. Once or twice with other men, the kiss was neutral, not good or bad. I've found that with pretty attractive and youngish…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 03:15 AM
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To be clear, I'm not talking about a couple where the guy is a bit nerdy looking, I'm talking about a Trump/Melania type mismatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 03:05 AM
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So, my idea is that a massive decline in attention and affection will result from their serial polyamorous behavior. Not the case for any women I know, even the ones who aren't cute or young. What the decline in marriage means is that women don't have guaranteed love and affection from one man until death. However, due to the high number of divorces and shitty marriages we all saw when we were growing up, many women don't believe that those things exist within marriage anyway. Add in the frumpy,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:29 PM
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Yeah, it's just that the looks attribute can't fall below a certain baseline, which will be higher the hotter a woman is. Tony Stark is above the baseline for most women, so you add in his other attributes and his SMV spirals out of control. JFK and Bill Clinton are good real-world examples of the same thing. Attractive women are not going to have raw sexual chemistry with this man, this man, or this man. I don't care how much power he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 07:08 PM
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the key is to "truly" support whatever decision he makes. Even if it goes against your opinion. Yep. Your Captain will hopefully value your opinion in many situations (or else why did he pick you!), so you should give it. Where we often go wrong is in continuing to hit him over the head with our opinion long after he's gotten the point. Give it to him once, answer a couple of the counterarguments he makes, and then STFU and tell him that it's his decision. If he makes the decision you wouldn't h…
/r/RedPillWomen16/04/17 06:35 PM
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Great advice. I'd add that once you think you're not feeling it, there's absolutely no point in going on more dates hoping that the spark will come to you (as per your link). It won't happen. Cutting it off as early as possible may also mitigate their anger. Ultimately though, you have to grow a thick skin. Remember that their insults are further proof that they failed the vetting process, which means you don't care what they think.
/r/RedPillWomen16/04/17 06:26 PM
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You must be a man? You are way underestimating how unpleasant it would be to kiss, touch, and fuck an old guy, let alone on a regular basis. You are also underselling how incredible it is to have sex with a guy you really desire, which is an opportunity you're foregoing during the marriage to the old guy. If you're wondering why more young beautiful women don't go for the wealth, those are the two reasons. That said, I think that the third wife here played your strategy as well as possible. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 05:10 PM
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The responses to this thread reinforce what I suspect—men still haven't figured out "what women want," TRP has gotten some of the way there but it's still groping around in the dark. After all this time, they still can't figure out when they are AF and when they are BB. The test is really simple. If you became poor as hell and needed her to support you for a while, would she do it? And would she still have joyful sex with you while doing it? If the answer is "no" to either of these questions, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:57 PM
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Women are attracted to, and fall in love with, raw sexual chemistry. Power can amplify that, but it only helps if looks are above a certain baseline. For young hot women, that baseline is higher than you would think. If you see a young hot woman dating a man who doesn't seem in her league appearance wise, you can bet that she doesn't feel a ton of raw attraction for him, instead she's there for the access or money he provides. As soon as that diminishes, she's gone. If men don't care about that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:43 PM
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men with the proper habits when it comes to their health and taking care of themselves will hold high value well into their 60s or 70s Not for 20- or even 30-somethings, they won't. Exceptions may include a) fat women, b) poor single moms, and c) gold diggers if he's wealthy. I remember running into various older men who shared this delusion and thought I might be down, they seemed not to have an accurate picture of themselves or to understand their place relative to other men
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 05:59 AM
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Male beauty is tied to semi-youthfulness, i.e. a man in his 30s can look as good as or better than he did at 20. However, from my extensive online dating research, I would say that the changes that start coming in at age 37-40 begin diminishing male beauty across the board. George Clooney is actually a case in point. As attractive as he is now, we all forget that he used to be even better. It just doesn't matter as much for men, because they can jack up the other components of SMV so high that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/17 08:02 PM
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This. I'm also not sure if all of these men realize that "not caring how much a woman makes" means that they are undertaking to provide her with everything, from shoelaces to retirement funds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:58 AM
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I actually preferred shorter guys for a long time. I am average height for a woman. Dated/was interested in several who were right about my height (first bf, college fwb, long-term ex-bf, + had a crush on a short guy but never asked him out) and several more who were just a couple inches taller (2 other fwbs, various dates I went on). Never dated a guy who was noticeably shorter than me, but would have been fine with that if he made up for it with charisma (yes sorry, it is something that would …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 12:19 AM
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We get angry because our 20s are nowhere near as fun. So? You have more fun for about 3-4x as long, from about age 30-70. maybe we become successful enough to date that very same girl who gave it up easily for a much hotter guy If you put in enough effort to become reasonably attractive, you will hit a point where she will not be good enough to date you, you will be dating women who were still children when you were in your 20s and the girl who wouldn't date you then will be staring longingly at…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 01:46 PM
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Well, you certainly have a different take from TRP. They think that 30+ men who put effort into themselves can spin 4-5 HB8s at a time indefinitely with no wall in sight, and have those women adore and treat them like gold. It is that perspective that I find incompatible with bellyaching about women having their own fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 01:39 AM
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Awful. Like having to go to war and losing your arms and possibly your life when your govt. decides it wants to fuck shit up somewhere. My heart goes out for all of these attention whores. Haha, no one is conflating those two things. But it's good for men to keep in mind that as advantageous as the world is for young women, they only get to milk that for 10-15 years tops, at which point the advantage switches to men for the next 40-50 years. Of all the TRP stuff I don't get, I'm most confused by…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:25 PM
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Ah yeah sorry, that sucks. One of my Facebook friends was posting recently about no longer being asked to work some go-go dancing gig she'd had for several years, she's also now in her late twenties. That kind of work has a crazy short shelf life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:14 PM
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Some people are uncomfortable pushing back against another parties interests, but that doesnt mean its wrong or assholeish. That's exactly right. The asshole part comes in when a man is willing to trample on the legitimate interests of someone who has only ever treated him fairly. An "alpha" will put his interests above those of other people, but he will still tip the waiter properly if the service was good, try not to disturb his roommates when coming in late at night, etc. However, the two ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:24 PM
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I am 27 and I am already feeling the effects of age in how people respond to me. Might I ask what you are noticing? I'm 30 and for the past couple of years, the random stares and such have become less and less frequent. That's about my only standard for comparison, but it tells me that I'm not as cute as I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:07 PM
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Nothing wrong with it. A few acquaintances are SAHMs or SAHDs. If it falls apart though, the breadwinner is going to be totally screwed in the short-medium term, and the former stay-at-home is going to be totally screwed in the medium-long run. Quite a gamble.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:34 PM
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Let's say Michael Fassbender or Adrien Brody. Thin, boyish, both cute and handsome, and striking. Keep in mind, they're "ideal" or somewhere near because I've also seen them act, and well. In real life, meeting a stranger I know nothing about, I'm going to be less excited because he has no persona yet. I wouldn't say I have a physiological reaction that I notice. Well, first I assume that he would never be interested in me, so while I'm excited to find out more, I remain cautious and even stando…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 04:54 AM
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Feminism in its early days went hand in hand with socialism because people realized that having to toil away at dangerous, dirty, underpaid jobs, where neither employer nor government cared about your welfare, did not promote human dignity or self-actualization, and that both men and women were screwed unless rich. At some point in the 20th century, feminism lost the accompanying socialism. The doctrine became that working a job provided something beyond financial independence—that it is actuall…
/r/RedPillWomen11/04/17 11:52 PM
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They can though. That's what prostitutes are for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 10:01 PM
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Well, most women are not going to want to provide for a man, so men who are not independently wealthy still have to earn enough to at least support themselves. If that goal is met, men usually want to take it to the next level and become rich and/or specialize in work they truly enjoy, for personal fulfillment. Those are all reasons that men engage in society and will keep doing so. They have plenty of needs and wants on their own, they can be sufficiently motivated without involving the needs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 09:30 PM
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No, the idea that liberal women are hot for Muslim men at all is pretty baseless. And I say that as a woman who sees uncomfortable truth in a lot of RP concepts. Despite their progressiveness, they overwhelmingly date men who have power and privilege, not poor underdogs with a different, confusing culture. They do not hear about patriarchal oppression in the Middle East and think "ooh how alpha." They picture it as getting unhappily married off, getting beaten for various small sins, and that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:38 PM
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Well, I'd say that every single one of them looks much better on the right, with the exception of #12 who looks slightly better on the right. I'm surprised that I am the only one who thinks this, actually. That being said, men have an edge in that they can be exciting, smart, and cool enough to make their left-side version quite desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 12:19 AM
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Yeah, this exactly. How hot his girlfriends are is just an indicator for what really matters, which is whether he asserts himself everywhere else in life, particularly with other men. You can fool a young woman for a while, but you can't fake it too long with those who are actually in competition with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 11:38 PM
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It sounds like you are learning how to differentiate between petty grievances and substantial ones. I'm sure that you would still speak up if an important decision needed to be made, but you are right to accept that a bunch of day-to-day stuff will not be perfect and that it's more harmful to the relationship to lecture him about doing his dishes, taking care of some errand on time, or getting you exactly what you want for your birthday than it is to just do the dishes yourself, get the errand t…
/r/RedPillWomen10/04/17 11:02 PM
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This is exactly why men shouldn't settle for something less than what they want. If they had a choice in the matter, most women would prefer to stay single or wind up with a less-attractive guy rather than get the "good-husband-but-he-cheats" package.
/r/RedPillWomen10/04/17 10:30 PM
3

the guy told me he thought I was attractive even though I wasn't "on the same level" as his ex-wife He actually said that you weren't on the same level? Yikes! Yeah, I wouldn't want that deal either. There's no point in being with someone if they still harbor thoughts about the hot woman they used to be with.
/r/RedPillWomen10/04/17 10:22 PM
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Really, whether a guy is settling or not entirely depends on his perception. If he's passionately in love, then he's definitely not settling, even if it's with a less attractive woman than he usually dates. If he's like "well, I don't want to be alone and she seems great," then he's likely settling, unless he's gotten to a point where he truly no longer fantasizes about the 8-9. A guy will learn his limitations and aspirations then marry someone 'under his level' somehow, someone who admires him…
/r/RedPillWomen10/04/17 03:27 PM
1

Haha, feminine qualities are not illusory qualities. That's not what I was getting at Career based qualities are masculine by nature. Heterosexual men finding masculine qualities attractive is an oxymoron. Ok, I tried my best. We'll see if someone else can "CYV." Truly though, I don't think it will happen on the internet for you. It's going to happen by you meeting various successful folks and seeing who they are with and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 02:08 PM
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1) Men may and often do marry women while valuing them for illusory qualities they don't possess 2) Men may marry women while valuing them for actual qualities, even if those qualities are not ones that you can imagine personally appreciating. Many men view career, ambition, and earning power as positives in a woman. It shouldn't be hard to see why, as they may believe that finances will be more secure with two breadwinners, they will gain social cred from having an "accomplished" wife, and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 03:21 AM
1

That doesn't refute my argument, how many men do you know who have or would marry a woman they saw as just a series of holes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 07:18 PM
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It was tough going for my boyfriends to break me of the notion that they should be putting my needs first. I always thought that as long as a woman was hot enough, a boyfriend would do pretty much anything for her. So when they insisted that I also needed to prioritize their needs, I heard that as them saying that I wasn't hot enough to get the gold standard treatment. That voice is still buried at the back of my mind somewhere, but my ex-boyfriend and my now-husband each in turn convinced me th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 04:10 PM
2

If your boyfriend doesn't have an issue with it, then neither should you. That said, it might be interesting to dress up a couple of times and see his reaction. I normally wear pants and my husband never says anything, but he's been pretty complimentary when I've worn dresses. (Note to self: Wear those more now that it's just about springtime!)
/r/RedPillWomen09/04/17 03:45 PM
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I mean, no doubt that's true, but how does it go to your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 03:41 PM
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I don't think career Tm women are traditionally feminine. If not, though, then your theory can't be right, because there are loads of career(tm) women who are married. That would never have happened if men just saw them as a "series of holes."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 05:16 AM
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How am I supposed to fix this? That... is a hard road. I think that what really helped me was working at a place, for a few years, with a bunch of really tight, social coworkers. Mostly women, so I had to develop good social skills, I didn't get a pass for being cute. It's a kind of painful process because it involves taking in a bunch of cues that let you know you are not connecting with the person, whether it's that they seem bored, irritated, standoffish, confused, or what have you. But you h…
/r/RedPillWomen09/04/17 03:49 AM
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Why do you think I have Aspergers? Your posts all seem very detached and I notice that a bunch of people have been irritated in the exchanges by some stuff you've said to them, even though this is not a debate thread. My feeling is that you may not have the firmest grasp on how people will perceive things you say, what people will think of you, and how you will make them feel. No judgment there, I've always struggled with those things. I am wondering if guys peg you as a bit too awkward for a gi…
/r/RedPillWomen08/04/17 01:23 AM
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I noticed in the above posts the idea that somehow, a man who is head over heels in love with a woman is 'less' than her. Yes, thanks for making this point! There needs to be separation between relative SMVs and who fell in love first/harder. The two don't always map onto each other perfectly. I actually think that OP's parents are correct, and it's important for the man to be head over heels in love with the woman if the relationship is to succeed. Now, the woman should also fall in love head o…
/r/RedPillWomen05/04/17 08:02 PM
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I would not read too much into that. The title is easily read as a hyperbolic characterization of a stereotype that TRP men are supposed to want. Without further discussion in which TBP insists that TRP mainstream is virgins or nothing, I would not take the title literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 07:37 PM
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In both those threads, the discussion is about a preference for virginity and a focus on low N-count, not about refusing to date non-virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:30 PM
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Do they think it's a pillar of TRP? Links to discussion on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 02:12 PM
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If you add in confidence as part of male SMV, then we likely started out about the same and now I'm lower than he is (not by 50% though, more like 1 point). He's always been extremely ballsy, won't take crap from anyone, always takes the lead not just with me but with anything he's involved in, and comes up with crazy, creative ideas that do not occur to me or most other people but that sometimes pan out in a really genius way. When we started dating, though, he was also very poor, had no idea w…
/r/RedPillWomen05/04/17 01:52 PM
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Didn't realize we were looking for it to be at the forefront of the movement, you just asked if it exists at all. There you are, it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 01:32 PM
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It resonated with some guys and they now use it in earnest
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 01:30 PM
6

Try "no hymen no diamond," I see it thrown around. It's not a majority view but some do take it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 05:05 AM
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Would not recommend affiliating it with RP in any way. You could make it a site for people who believe in traditional roles in marriage and who are looking for marriage/long-term commitment. Big alteration there, but essentially that's who you want using the site anyway, if I'm reading you correctly. Maybe have a quiz at the beginning, like EHarmony, to disqualify those not serious about either aspect. Recommend making it private (members only visible to members) because many people will not wan…
/r/RedPillWomen05/04/17 01:59 AM
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This is great stuff! Just to add, you should be socking away as much each year into retirement and other investment accounts as possible. I highly recommend the Ivy Bytes/Alex Frey Beginner's Guide to Investing for a very lucid explanation of compound interest, tax breaks, and diversification. Compound interest means that the earlier you put the same amount of money in investments, the more (far more) you have when you're old. Tax breaks mean that you may save a lot by putting money into retirem…
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/17 07:09 PM
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Something is off with your experience. A guy who is really into you should be trying to take you exclusive before the 2-3 month mark. I'm not sure if they might be hesitant not having slept with you yet, but you say that this happens even when you do sleep with them. Maybe your bedroom skills are lacking, but I suspect that you are not building a real connection with these guys. First off, it sounds like you are open to building a relationship with almost anyone who is reasonably attractive and …
/r/RedPillWomen04/04/17 04:41 PM
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You're on a different page from men. If a guy just wants a quick pump and dump, he doesn't care about being good in bed. 99% of his focus will be on developing traits that get him the lay, not on traits that please the lay. He already got his. Unfortunately, what works for individual success starts to fall apart when everyone follows the same strategy. OP is not the first woman I've heard complain that ONS mostly suck, and to stop pursuing them because of this. If most ONS are good but a hot guy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 09:42 PM
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This is definitely fucked up. It's pretty bad when it's a girlfriend, but completely inexcusable when it's a wife. Of course, there's also a question of how much she sacrificed for him, and how strenuously he promised commitment only to take it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/16 09:27 PM
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Hmm, I am having a hard time imagining in which culture this might be somewhat acceptable. When I was dating, I did all of it in a super sex-positive, progressive area of the U.S. I can't say that no one was ever that crude, but for the most part guys were way more sensitive in approaching sex than OP describes for herself. Still, it could be possible. I guess that's more a question for OP - if she thinks that norms in her area would permit a man to speak to a woman that way, whom he saw as a po…
/r/RedPillWomen27/07/16 12:40 AM
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This really doesn't work even as a loose guideline, you cannot simplify people to this extent. I'll bite - I keep things reasonably clean, but I'm somewhat afraid of the kitchen (and yes, I do hate the mess created by cooking). However, I love giving to my man physically, with creative and sensual sexual experiences as well as massages and foot rubs. Should that be a third category, or should we still assume that I'm generally an unpleasant companion who doesn't care about what my man wants? Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 08:11 PM
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The issue isn't whether it's acceptable for OP's dates to have sex on their minds, it's the fact that these guys are either unknowingly or deliberately failing Basic Social Skills 101. If they do realize how crude they are being, then they must also know that their method will catch only undiscriminating women looking for quick sex, and their purpose is probably to filter out anyone wanting something more. If they don't realize how their statements are being taken, then how would OP be able to r…
/r/RedPillWomen26/07/16 07:45 PM
1

I think in the past I was not very happy in my job, or my day to day life and didn't take the best care of myself physically and emotionally. Eventually the guys got a whiff of that and sent me off packing. As far as feedback from the college BF, this may be more or less what happened. He had said before to me that I didn't believe in myself enough to succeed with my dream. That makes sense. Guys do value a woman's drive and ability to move in a positive direction, those are pretty essential tra…
/r/RedPillWomen26/07/16 07:25 PM
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Without alimony, any arrangement in which one partner stays home would be absolutely devastating to that partner if the marriage were to break up. Given that there is and always has been some possibility of divorce, alimony must exist. The alternative would be for the government to step in and help out the stay-at-home spouse until they get back on their feet. I find that somewhat unfair to taxpayers, since we were not involved in deciding the couple's arrangement. If people don't want to pay al…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 07:01 PM
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The level of hopelessness you feel is a bit overblown when we consider your actual prospects. I understand that your recent lack of success is demoralizing, and it's rough in your situation to hear that ex-boyfriends are getting married, but it sounds like you can't be past 24 or 25? You will be fine. However, you are right that you need to make some changes. As far as moving goes - it might be a good idea if you've fished through the pool in a small town or if you live in a place where most fol…
/r/RedPillWomen23/07/16 03:56 PM
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It is odd to me that the author had to take this all-or-nothing approach. Seems like she was practically addicted to pursuing beauty, and the only other path she saw was to go completely cold-turkey. I will say that I went through a phase in my early twenties where I completely stopped trying to look appealing. I was still within my best years, but felt some freedom in going out in public with no makeup and baggy clothes. Your theory does make sense, though. If trying to be beautiful starts to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 03:18 PM
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Well, a wife staying at home does usually involve raising a child, so you can generally assume that during any discussion of stay-at-home wives and alimony. In addition, in any marriage, the couple should have negotiated an arrangement in which both people contribute equally to making the marriage work. Bringing in money is by no means the only possible type of contribution a person can make - otherwise, why would so many redpillers insist on having a partner with traditional homemaking skills a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 02:50 PM
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Bump the whole thing up by 10-15 years and you'll be on point, although I don't think things are as tough for older guys as for the 30-year-old women in your example. Late 20s to mid-30s is usually the peak of a guy's attractiveness. A good-looking 45-year-old guy just won't be as sexy as a 30/35-year-old with a little chub or a less classically handsome face. My past researches in online dating made this pretty apparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 10:34 PM
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I can scarcely imagine giving up an important hobby for my own man. Luckily, I know that he would never want me to do such a thing out of jealousy. At her relationship stage, I would probably just break up. Is she really going to be content curtailing her hobbies and time with friends for the rest of her life? I always feel bad when I see these threads started by women who think that snagging a Captain has to involve dealing with lots of jealousy, trust issues, and one-sided restrictions. As for…
/r/RedPillWomen22/07/16 06:10 PM
2

There you go. If you look at the bell curve of human intelligence, you will find that most men and women fall in the low/mid/high average section. For all the men who are pretty smart, there are almost as many women who are that smart. For all the women who are pretty dumb, there are almost as many men who are pretty dumb. http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/are-women-and-men-different Only when you get into the "genius" end of the bell curve do you find almost no women; however, very few m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:35 PM
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Agreed. Most women would be quite unhappy with such a setup, which suggests to me that it takes away stuff they find vital in a relationship: honesty, empathy, respect. I do not think that most women seek a relationship that consists mainly of material benefits. I do not think that a woman can feel loved when her husband is cheating on her. If two people are ok with such a relationship, then fine for them (though if it's in the open, it's by definition not cheating) - and if two people are ok wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:13 PM
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I think there might be two ways to conceive of it? 1) I think it was in Athol Kay's stuff that I remember reading that "girl alpha" is sexual attractiveness and "girl beta" is all the comfort behaviors that build and maintain a relationship. So perhaps extreme girl alpha would mean a woman who was very much into sexual pleasure and her own beauty - with the attendant vanity and fickleness that might accompany these qualities. 2) Or perhaps a 100% "RPW" would display all the stereotypical feminin…
/r/RedPillWomen21/07/16 10:41 PM
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1) That women should have every opportunity to be financially self-sufficient and that they should be equal in the eyes of the law. That feminism was beneficial to them insofar as it helped them there. 2) As a partial explanation for (1) - that all human beings are flawed, and that most of us, including most men, are not to be trusted with power over others. I'm actually not sure that this is a BP thought, but from what I've seen, the inverse - that men are inherently capable of running things f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:37 PM
1

Haha no problem, I can see how my post might have conveyed that.
/r/RedPillWomen21/07/16 05:10 PM
1

This is absolutely right. I'd also venture that the boob-to-waist ratio is important (i.e. the boobs have to stick out further than the tummy), and that legs have to be smooth and toned, whether thick or slender. It's just a lot easier to achieve all of these things with less body fat, for most women. Having a low BMI is a clue that all the important things will look good.
/r/RedPillWomen21/07/16 05:03 PM
1

Hence my second paragraph - if his decisions seem not to be very good, she should break up with him and thus not submit at all. I'm also talking about only starting to submit after they've reached the boyfriend/girlfriend stage, by which time she should have decided that he's a man who seems to have potential rather than one she can't so much as trust to find a parking spot. If he continues to be a good leader during this stage (which the boyfriend in the example was not, IMO), then it's worth s…
/r/RedPillWomen21/07/16 04:43 PM
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There's definitely a fifth reason that can come into play. Younger women can date and fuck guys whom they know are pretty flawed, or whom they're not completely in love with. There's plenty of time, and it's completely probable that they'll find the man of their dreams in a couple of years. As women get older, they realize that they will likely never lock down someone better than they can get right now. In fact, the average quality of men who want to date them will decline each year going forwar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:17 AM
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If a woman wants to stick to a committed relationship with a man, she should be prepared to submit to him at any time. In the beginning stages, she might discuss with him why she feels a given request is unreasonable as they are still feeling out each other and their dynamic, but she should be prepared to follow his direction if he insists on it. After all, presumably his requests will be no more outlandish at the beginning of the relationship than they will be further on - so if she plans to su…
/r/RedPillWomen20/07/16 09:02 PM
1

I am like that. To the point that usually guys either take advantage of me or dump me saying I'm insecure because I try really hard to please them so they assume I'm insecure. It can be difficult to find the line between proving your value as a partner and appearing less valuable by trying too hard. Don't give out the tangible favors (cleaning for them, running errands, etc.) until you have their full commitment. If they ask you for favors before then, tread with caution. Everyone wants what the…
/r/RedPillWomen20/07/16 08:39 PM
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Grew up in a progressive epicenter and thoroughly believed in BP ideas for a long time, even going through a radical feminist phase. My parents are traditionally-minded, but they had an awful marriage and divorce, so I never paid much attention to their ideals. Discovered the manosphere a few years ago by reading links from feminist websites. Hated it at first, of course, and still find some of the ideas to be fundamentally wrong and a few others to be often wrong (which is why I don't post too …
/r/RedPillWomen17/07/16 07:31 PM
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I would think that your monk mode needs to involve making specific changes that will improve both your day-to-day happiness and your ability to find a good man. 1) Move somewhere with a lot more people. I know that the work situation makes that tough, but seize any opportunity that puts you in a well-populated place. 2) Lose the excess weight. You say that you work out a lot - however, losing weight is mostly done in the kitchen, not in the gym, i.e. you need to be eating very healthy and/or wit…
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 11:05 AM
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This, plus your quote below: I have told him how I feel. I have told him he disgusts me and every little physical thing about his being disgusts me which makes it hard to physically connect. I have told him he's annoying and why. I have told him at certain times how he could step up or why my feelings are hurt or how he lets his mom control our relationship. I have told him I've wanted him to leave many times I have told him that I feel on the edge of cheating. Makes me think that he's at a poin…
/r/RedPillWomen10/07/16 09:47 AM
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Same here for the most part. I don't think I've ever consciously thought, "Time to fuck with his head and see how he reacts!" If I look at my behavior, though, that is exactly what I do at times. I find teasing and banter (not the kind that pokes sore spots) to be useful in determining just how seriously a new person takes him/herself, so I would not necessarily get rid of that. And if they're on the same page, you can both have fun with it. As you get to know someone, though, giving them a hard…
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/16 06:46 PM
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Glad to hear it!
/r/RedPillWomen25/06/16 06:21 PM
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During 3.5 years, how many of his friends have you met? Have you met his family? How did he introduce you - as his girlfriend? Has he met your family, and does he care about building a relationship with them? How willing has he proved to go significantly out of his way for you? Has he helped you move, given you rides to the airport, taken care of you when you were sick? Would he be willing to suspend his polyamory for a time if you were particularly vulnerable - say you just lost your job and ne…
/r/RedPillWomen24/06/16 08:16 PM
1

Truly? I've gone on many first dates in California. Only a couple of them involved a kiss, and I can't remember the last one that had making out. Neither I nor the guys I date are conservative. Maybe it has to do with the fact that I got these dates from OkC etc, so our first date was also our first meeting. I've found the latter half of your statement to be correct, though. As for what I would think of this situation - I'd be somewhat impatient for the kiss, but wouldn't think any more or less …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:13 PM
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The fact that he's 38 and has never been married should tell you that he probably won't go there with you, either. You are probably a cool person and I don't doubt that you have great chemistry with him, but I would bet he's found both those attributes in women many times before and not locked it down. Has he been in any super-long term relationships (more than a couple of years)? I bring this up because since we are on RPW, I assume that you are looking to build a solid relationship and perhaps…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/16 07:50 PM
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The balance of power is currently in his favor, and he doesn't want to mess with that. Don't have more kids with him for a while, if ever. See if he can remain a stable, loving partner and father without the incentive of marriage. If he can pull it off consistently for years, then consider getting in deeper with him. I have to say, his leaving during the pregnancy and the talk of "you can leave if you want" do not point to him being a good bet for the long-term. We all get why he's afraid of get…
/r/RedPillWomen08/06/16 07:06 PM
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I got breast implants after my fiancé and I got engaged. He was happy for me to get them but made it really clear that he wasn't going to put any pressure on me, which was important considering the invasiveness of the surgery. He loves them now, so I'd say the effect on our relationship has been pretty positive. He enjoys them in the bedroom and he likes the fact that other people think he has an attractive fiancée. (Not that my small boobs made me unattractive, but the implants have definitely …
/r/RedPillWomen31/05/16 11:52 PM
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As others have said, nothing stops a man from agreeing to have a relationship with you if he thinks it will get him sex, but then dumping you the next day. To see if he's genuine about wanting to be with you, you can spend several dates observing how he treats you. It's so important to look at a person's actions, not their words. Does he want to go out on dates (hiking, paintballing, rock climbing, museums) where you can get to know each other, or are you guys always doing something that involve…
/r/RedPillWomen16/05/16 05:18 PM
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Women were never expected to do anything, and they still aren't, which is possibly a proper way to do things. I will not criticize the old ways. I'd say that less is expected of women than of men, but not nothing. Traditionally, women were taught and held to standards that demanded they make themselves attractive, have charming personalities, be excellent hostesses, and have great domestic skills. While most of those standards have degraded, they've been replaced with sexual availability and a c…
/r/RedPillWomen05/05/16 09:43 PM
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Yes, keep it to yourself. Browse on incognito mode, even after you move out of your parents' house (it sounds like you still live with them). You never know when someone will want to borrow your computer, or when you might need to have it repaired. I would not ever mention RP directly to anyone unless they bring it up first, you are sure that they aren't baiting you, and you can 110% trust their discretion forever. I would even stay away from talking about RP ideas. The only time I've ever given…
/r/RedPillWomen05/05/16 05:23 PM
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Seconding this. There's no need to jump to dresses and heels to be feminine. In fact, you might never get comfortable with that look, and that's fine. There is a lot of area in between that and tomboy. Fitted jeans will probably be an easier transition and will make a huge difference. You could invest in a very basic pair of skinnies such as this or this or even straight legs like these. On top, you could try branching out to something more feminine like this, or you could keep it more simple wi…
/r/RedPillWomen05/05/16 05:02 PM
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