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“Necessary but not sufficient”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 01:03 AM
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Only attractive female friends. I have male friends like this, and they are generally good guys who respect boundaries and are pretty good partners. If you don’t have the social skills to have friends, you probably wouldn’t be a good partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/24 12:25 PM
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I would file for emancipation at 13 🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 06:36 PM
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The only victim in this situation is the baby. Don’t know if it’s worse to be a girl or a boy and come across your father’s baboonery on the internet in 15 years. Truly if you watch a single minute of this show and still decide to sleep with either of these scumbags, you’re an idiot. The Walter being broke angle is going to be hilarious when the child support drama goes public.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/24 02:26 PM
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Pretty cis-centric I guess… my gay male friends are objectively nice to look at. We look good when we go out together. I like being around attractive people. Otherwise it’s like that old trope about obscenity- hard to define but easy to recognize. I don’t know. Men are just… different from women. In a way that I enjoy. I like their perspective. I like their deep voices. I like their aggressiveness. I like their sense of humor. I like hanging out with them without trying to navigate sexual politi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 08:32 PM
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My gay male friends provide male energy without worries of them trying to hop out the friend zone. Aside from my childhood/college/professional male friends, the Straights ™️ have been a little problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 07:55 PM
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The stats you sent say that intelligent people are more likely to be successful, not that successful people are more likely to be intelligent. You can’t measure intelligence by success, because there are so many more factors that go into success. So the blanket statement of “rich guy probably has higher iq than his hot girlfriend” ignores all the different factors that may have played into his success besides iq, and all the factors besides IQ that may have led the hot smart girl not to pursue a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 04:08 AM
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Because you’re just making a statement without backing it up. What is the probability based on? If I say the probability of flipping heads is about 50%, I can show you a coin with heads and tails. What you’re doing is like saying the probability of me shooting dice and getting a 1 is 80% and just wanting me to take it at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 03:38 AM
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Show some better data then. You seem to think that success and IQ are so highly correlated, show me a study that takes out the (arguably more important) confounders like socioeconomic status, looks, personality factors, etc. So far the only source you’ve cited says it “can be important” not that you can look at someone’s success and infer their intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 03:25 AM
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Emotional intelligence is likely a better predictor of salary than general mental ability, says this paper I was looking for the Berkeley study that showed it was like 80% EQ and 20% IQ. The data just doesn’t support the idea that you can look at someone who is successful and say they're more likely to have a higher IQ
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 02:32 AM
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It’s arbitrary an assumption to make that the more successful man will be more intelligent than the hot woman because a) success is so multifactorial and b) a hot woman choosing an easy life doesn’t have anything to do with her intelligence, it has to do with her ambition. So if she’s not as “successful” on paper it’s not necessarily because she’s not as intelligent. You don’t really have a basis for saying the more successful partner is likely more intelligent when the data you are citing shows…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 04:08 PM
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The article goes on to say how it’s totally confounded by a million other factors. Like how high IQ people get lots of positive reinforcement in school and low IQ people get trapped in the low performing classes. Don’t leave that part out. You’re just biased against hot people and you’re coping by saying the less hot partner is more likely to have more raw intelligence. But assortative mating says if you have one desirable trait, you’re likely to have others. Your side of it says if you have a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 01:07 PM
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What you actually said is that if there’s a successful guy with a hot girl, he’s more likely to be high iq. The study you posted said that the only difference in success in low iq people is educational aspiration. So had you said something like “the successful man is more likely to have high educational aspiration or ambition or work ethic” I may have agreed with you. But even what you posted said high IQ can (not does) play a role in success. I really think you’re discriminating against hot gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 12:03 PM
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I don’t think following a passion is a dumb decision. I know plenty of hot professional women who are married to men who could easily keep them home, but they love what they do, so they do it. I know male Ivy League graduates who teach high school because they have a passion for it. And I know men who could barely pass high school math who inherited daddy’s billion dollar company. From the study you posted “the only significant predictor of career outcomes within the low IQ group was educational…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 02:10 AM
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We can agree to disagree. I still do believe though that since success can be engineered by the right connections, and like you said, other traits such as work ethic and ambition, which aren’t necessarily related to intelligence, it’s not as cut and dry as you say, whereas since looks and intelligence can be genetically linked, there’s more likely to be a strong correlation. I’m not calling women dumber for not using their looks, I’m saying you’re underestimating how intelligent a woman is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 12:26 AM
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Yeah but when you’re aware of the tactics they are super obvious. I made the bad decision of dating a red piller once (and the good decision of dumping him fast). I could easily identify every time he tried one of the tactics. Negging. Dread game. “Frame.” All that shit. It was pretty pathetic, actually, because I could recognize it in real time. I would just smile and nod and put it in the growing pocket full of red flags, and once that pocket was full, I pulled the plug.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:52 PM
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I’m cool with psychedelics and weed as long as it’s not every day all day. I don’t drink much so I wouldn’t date a heavy drinker. I’m of the “drug use for grown ups” school of thought. If you’re a responsible user and it doesn’t interfere with your life, have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:04 PM
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You initially said you found it very unlikely that there was a link between attractiveness and intelligence. But there’s a biological link between attractiveness and intelligence. Not so much with intelligence and success. The most successful men tend to be tall (attractive), which by the paper I posted means they’re also smart. So why is their success more a product of their intelligence than of their looks? All things being equal, the tall guy will be more successful than the short guy. So how…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 04:16 AM
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Most people date pretty close to their “league” all told. If men value looks and women value status, a high status man and a beautiful woman are in each others league, so to speak. I personally don’t look at dating like that. Do I think you’re smart and cool and awesome? ✅ Do I want to sleep with you?✅. Are you in any way waving giant red flags? ❌. Ok proceed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:26 AM
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Success isn’t genetic. Looks and intelligence (as natural features) are. intelligence comes from mom though Interestingly, this study suggests that men are (slightly) more intelligent than women because they are taller, on average. From the abstract: “Consistent with our suggestion, we show that men may have higher IQs than women because they are taller, and once we control for height women have slightly higher IQs than men.” I found the paper I originally read - it shows how assortative mating …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 03:22 AM
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You’re still not understanding that attractive women are more likely to be high IQ as well due to the linked inheritance of those traits. They might not need to use their intelligence as much as men do, because their looks can get them things that looks can’t get men, but that doesn’t mean they are lower IQ just because they are attractive. So maybe the OG smart guy got with a dumb hot girl, but then the genes mixed and you started getting hot smart girls who then marry hot smart guys and make s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:50 AM
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So you understand that both the male and female children can be attractive and intelligent, and further stratify themselves for future generations of an intelligent, attractive lineage? Hence Natalie Portman for example. Classically beautiful and Harvard educated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 12:20 AM
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actually….
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 12:11 AM
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There’s usually a trade off. In “hypergamy” often the woman is dating up in socioeconomic status but down in looks. So both of them are dating out of their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/23 07:08 PM
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Ok, since I have shown you PROOF that this is the case, and you have just repeated the same OPINION, whom do you think has a more valid point? Show me where in the law it says an accusation is enough for a temporary restraining order. Because I’ve shown you where in the law you do need it. You’ve shown me blogs from bitter dads. Not the same level of evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:33 AM
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Did you not read what I quoted? The court itself says there needs to be proof. An accusation is not proof. Let me quote it again, this time with the important part in all caps so it can be clear. However, you still must PROVE that the other party committed an actual crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 01:49 AM
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You literally keep pointing me to bitter dad pages. That’s not data. lol I love men and I love people. And since I choose to surround myself with good people, the vast majority of my friends are long term married. The one friend I have who divorced? Guess what. Her husband was an abusive POS who abused the next woman he was with too. I refuse to believe that a court of law will do something like granting a restraining order without at least some proof of abuse. Show me some data there and then m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/23 02:11 PM
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Note - repels predators 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 03:53 PM
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Aren’t libertarians pro freedom to do drugs on the street?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:22 AM
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Every wedding I’ve been to or seen in my instagram feed in the last decade has been a 30 something successful man marrying a 30 something equally successful woman. I’m in my early 40s and 7 of my >40 yo friends have given birth (to healthy babies) in the last year. It’s just… not like you say. Professional women are pairing up with their equals in their 30s and having 2-4 kids by 45. Now, are these women attractive? Absolutely. I’ve never had a man approach me and be like “you look really accomp…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 03:31 AM
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From your forum: 87% of surveyed police agencies require officers to make an arrest under certain conditions, such as evidence of an assault EVIDENCE. Of ASSAULT. Bro, you’re citing a page of bitter ass divorced men, not facts. Also from your source: closing. OK, I made a mistake by moving out and you convinced me that I need to move back in. My wife changed the locks. What do I do? Call a locksmith and change them again. You can use whatever reasonable means necessary to enter the home such as …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:27 AM
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Women would come together and spam the shit out of the service. If everyone has a reported body count of 16,000, nobody does
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:16 PM
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You got it youngin. All my nerdy friends ended up with beautiful women and are in stable happy families making hella money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:02 AM
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She’s not worth a second date. Good for you for not responding. Don’t take it personally and move on. You don’t want to be with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:26 AM
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Oh that’s gross. But you just dodge those bullets. Unfortunately there are a fair number of entitled young women who think that that kind of behavior is cute. But if nobody enables it, it gets extinguished. Dating is an investment. Did you get to know her at all before the first date? Were there any signs that she was shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:10 AM
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Don’t pretend to be someone you’re not. Cultivate a mixed gender social group. Respect yourself. Take care of your body. Treat women well but don’t be a pushover. Develop confidence by gaining a skill. Figure out how to make a lot of money. Don’t go for the instagram baddies who expect to be flown to Dubai for a first date. Look for the cute nerdy girls and really try to get to know them as people. Go for quality over quantity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:52 AM
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I really think that depends on your definition of successful. A retail manager who grew up in the hood? Maybe she’s letting him ride around in her Altima while he’s at work. A degreed professional? That’s more rare. The “reformed” part makes a big difference. Women with options will likely choose reformed “thug” > corny guy > ain’t shit “thug.” Physically attractive is not the same as sexually attractive. It’s hard to define corny, but women sense it and are not attracted to it. It’s kind of lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:22 AM
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I think you also have to look at the caliber of women they are pulling. For the most part, “thugs” are popular with women of their own socioeconomic status who might see benefit in being with someone who is seen as protective in a dangerous environment. Likewise, fast money can be seen as attractive if you don’t see the options for the long game. There’s also an element of short sightedness - if someone thinks nobody around them is going to escape poverty, why choose the corny boy over the more …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:15 PM
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The best way I can describe it is graphite vs diamond. No matter what you do, the graphite is always gonna be soft and gray. But while a diamond might not look like much to begin with, when it’s all polished up it’s incredibly beautiful and valuable. Same starting material. Different processes. Different results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:23 PM
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I firmly believe that swag in men who haven’t had to struggle at all reads more as arrogance and entitlement than true swag. And it’s not attractive. Not all hood types are thugs either. Two of the sexiest partners I’ve had were a dentist and a basketball coach. It’s just that to survive and thrive in a difficult environment, you need confidence, social skills, fortitude and ingenuity that you don’t necessarily get in a cushier environment. It translates into virility.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:16 PM
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That’s why the absolutely most attractive guys (IMO) are professionals who come from the hood. Best of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:13 PM
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Thugmaxxing isn’t real because you can’t fake the qualities that make so-called thugs so viscerally attractive - there’s nothing less attractive than a fake thug. Like if you’re Carlton, you’re never gonna have Pop Smoke swag. It’s just not in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:10 PM
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This is why “hood ______” are so attractive. Especially the ones who had the brains/talent/drive to make it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 03:43 AM
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I went on a date with a guy and by the way he parked his car I could tell his house was spotless. Never got to confirm, because he still lives with his “ex” who didn’t know he was dating. Womp womp
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:36 AM
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Absolutely not. Crunching ice cream ruins it. I’ve cream shouldn’t need teeth involvement
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 01:07 AM
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He’s so hot 🤩
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:37 PM
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I have a crush on the guy who works at my supermarket. He’s super hot and we give each other the eye all the time. He seems to be a recent immigrant so I don’t think it’s an ambition thing. I know a serious relationship would probably not work but I have impure thoughts every time I see him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 01:43 PM
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I don’t actually disagree with your original claim. I’d just say a romance is a best friend you fuck (and have babies with and buy houses with etc). Like, I’d go to war for my platonic besties. But I wouldn’t fuck them. I’d fuck the shit out of a good FWB. But I wouldn’t be vulnerable with them. A lover gets both of those. When I heard Rihanna say she and Rocky are “just best friends with a baby” I thought “I bet they’ll last”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 11:23 AM
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So… because a lawyer who wants to make money says they are abused? That’s not data. Show me a case in which one was granted (ie a judge looked at the evidence and used judgement to grant one, and then later it turned out that it wasn’t true.) Here’s the law: In a criminal case in New York, for a restraining order, called an Order of Protection, to be issued, the police must make an arrest based on probable cause, the person arrested must be formally charged by the the District Attorney's Office …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:33 AM
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(The behavior was not just “complaining about how she was dressed) As much as there is a gap between a thunderstorm and a hurricane, sure. But it’s the same category of behavior, with the same motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:14 AM
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It’s a shame, you could have learned something 🤷🏾‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:11 PM
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All that just to say so much nothing. Jonah Bill’s texts revealed him to be controlling AF. He was forcing her to change her instagram pictures on her professional instagram. Making a “boundary” of her not practicing her profession with men. Controlling whom she saw and went out with and what they did. And then couching it all in therapy speak. That’s like page 14 of the narc playbook. And then he gaslit the shit out of her. But actually, not just therapy speak. “To be crystal clear I have not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:23 PM
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If anyone of any gender can bully you into suicide, you were fragile AF to begin with. Also, considering the gross difference in physical capacity between men and women, it’s ridiculous to equate the two. What woman can naturally make a man fear for his life at her bare hands? It’s not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:08 PM
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Jesus. If a woman can bully you into suicide you were fragile AF to begin with. Your interpretation of the statistics is funny. Who are most men murdered by? Other men. Hmmmm could it be because they are more violent by nature? Are you going to bring a source with that statement about women abusing kids more, or do you expect me to just take you at your word, especially given the questionable nature of your other takes? I gotta see that data myself, because you’re over here ignoring the fact tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:32 PM
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That really depends on how you see humiliation. There are some key differences here. First, she didn’t mention, reference, or involve him in her actions. So any mention you are making of humiliation is just by virtue of how her actions reflect on him. The difference between their actions is that he directly humiliated her, as opposed to her actions indirectly reflecting poorly on him (in a “why can’t you control your bitch” kind of way). So I’d ask you. Did chance the rapper humiliate his wife b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:24 PM
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You could argue that her actions were meant to expose an abuser, which is an entirely different scenario. And by those texts, especially the manipulation of therapy speak, it’s fairly obvious he’s abusive. Won’t be surprised if something comes up about him in the future
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:09 PM
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So what do you make of the comparison between college educated Black and White women? How is that a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:13 AM
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To fuck men over? Or to protect women from the main perpetrators? Just based on sheer strength - who is doing more damage - the spicy 5’2 100 pound girl who slaps her boyfriend or the angry 6’3 200 pound guy who strangles his girlfriend? “Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an intimate partner (figure 1). By comparison, about 6% of the 17,970 males murdered that year were…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:59 AM
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Ah but there it is. They are not good choices for some people, which is a very different thing to say than the broad brush “not marriage material” statement our pickme friend above made.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 12:46 AM
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Were you in the room when this pre-arranged boundary was stated? She didn’t humiliate herself. She did exactly what she wanted to do. He tried to humiliate her and it backfired spectacularly. He had videos on his instagram of her pregnant, twerking and half naked. So it doesn’t so much seem to be an issue if her wearing revealing clothing as a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:27 PM
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I never said it was. Anyone is allowed to have any feeling about anything their partner does.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:23 PM
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He has videos of her half naked twerking on her instagram. It’s not about the clothes. It’s about control.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:18 PM
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<image> Humiliating. Making her feel guilty. Controlling what she wears (even if he failed at it).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:44 PM
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The wheel can be made gender neutral if it’s offending you. Just put “they/them” instead of she/her, and you might see how valid it is for identifying abusive behavior. I personally don’t defend abusive female behavior. None of the behaviors you mentioned are healthy. It doesn’t change the fact that Keke Palmers BD is an abuser, and that this fact was evident from the moment he showed his ass on twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 09:42 PM
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Do you disagree with the aspects of the power and control wheel itself? Also, do you know the difference between intimate partner terrorism and mutual combat? Not all abusers are men, but intimate partner terrorists are almost exclusively men, due to the physical and cultural advantages they, as a group, wield against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 08:45 PM
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I’d say ignorance is seeing photo evidence of an assault and still being unable to understand that it probably represents… an assault.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 08:03 PM
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What’s a Keisha?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 08:02 PM
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I mean, you’re like almost to the point of getting why the context of a relationship can turn one kind of speech that is otherwise “fair minded criticism” coercive control. So I figure, I’ll keep leading the horse to water
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 08:01 PM
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<image> They say LDE is a body shaming slur but sometimes stereotypes are true
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:58 PM
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You’re almost there
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:56 PM
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Let’s unpack that. By “Keisha,” I do believe you’re trying to pigeonhole me into an ignorant stereotype about Black women. So let me disabuse you of that notion. Regarding my username - the hoodrat part is facetious. The Ivy League part isn’t. And I love Black men. I married one. I birthed a future one. I’ll make damn sure my Black daughters know to stay well away from your type.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:54 PM
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Let me guess. Flat earther?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:47 PM
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Lord. It’s not coercive control to criticize someone’s outfit. It’s a sign of coercive control to publicly humiliate your partner for what she is wearing, especially when it is couched in misogyny. This can be an early red flag for escalating abuse, of which this case is a textbook example.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:46 PM
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“Pics or it didn’t happen” links pics You:
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:40 PM
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Are you being willfully obtuse? If not, let me make it clear: Publicly humiliating your spouse, implying that she is a bad mother because of a dress she wore, is emotional abuse. This is the “yelling fire in a crowded theater” equivalent of “speaking his mind about his outfit.” Yes, speech is free. That doesn’t mean some free speech isn’t harmful, and actually, some is purposely so, meant to establish coercive control over a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 07:09 PM
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So in general, you think it’s appropriate to publicly air out your relationship issues to a massive audience? And to shame your partner publicly?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:41 PM
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And who’s to say Keke Palmer wasn’t teasing her upcoming video with Usher that came out just a bit later? If I were her accountant I definitely would have said she could write off the concert tickets and the dress as business expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:40 PM
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And yet many of them appear to have good marriages. I’ve seen love scenes with Denzel Washington barely clothed and behaving very provocatively, and yet he’s been married since 1983. Must be because he’s not good marriage material
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:05 PM
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Maybe in your spare time you might peruse the #whyistayed hashtag on the site formerly known as twitter. I think you might benefit from hearing women’s experience of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:02 PM
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So you think that marriage has a protective effect on maternal mortality? And you don’t think these controls were age matched?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:01 PM
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As a feminist - nah. Anyone has the right to break up at any time for any reason. “A little out of control” is physical assault on someone smaller and weaker than you? Wow
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 06:00 PM
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Sounds a whole lot like victim shaming. News flash: nobody deserves to be emotionally or physically abused, period. Boundaries are “these are my standards. Meet them or GTFO.” Controlling behavior is “I’m going to encroach on your autonomy.” Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:40 PM
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Of course. Do you know how a normal man would respond to her “acting like a slut?” He would talk to her in private before or after the incident and/or leave without physically assaulting her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:35 PM
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It’s not the feeling, it’s the behavior. Some people make me very angry. Guess what I don’t do? Stab them. Get it? If you dont, you can substitute “partner,” “uncomfortable,” and “publicly humiliate” and see if it starts to make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:32 PM
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I really hope more women wake up and recognize that these kinds of behaviors are 🚩🚩🚩 of dangerous men. Controlling, misogynistic men are the swamp from which physical abusers evolve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:30 PM
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But until then, all this thick dark billowing smoke could just be incense burning and not a fire. Got it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:27 PM
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Ah yes, the one where what you wear outside justifies physical abuse. Sounds totally healthy and normal. May any girl you date find your Reddit history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:27 PM
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So next time your partner has a problem with your behavior, are you cool with them discussing it with a million people on twitter?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:12 PM
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So you think the quality of internet screenshots is the quality available to the “alleged” victim? Like a celebrity doesn’t have HD cameras trained at their front door?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:10 PM
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So what about college and beyond educated Black women do you think could be confounders in comparing them to White high school dropouts? Are you suggesting that somehow dropouts are wealthier than college/ post secondary grads? Because your original point implied that Black maternal mortality is a function of poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:06 PM
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Is Beyoncé marriage material? She’s been married for many years despite “dressing and acting provocatively.” How about Melania Trump?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 05:01 PM
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The link I posted has screenshots of the security vid of him thrashing her all over the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:58 PM
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So those photos are like… not enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:50 PM
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It should have been a private conversation, ideally setting a boundary beforehand, or at most a conversation in private after the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:49 PM
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That’s a private conversation. Not a tweet for millions of people. That has a different objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:47 PM
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Elaborate on that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:45 PM
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Public humiliation, using jealousy to control actions, being the one to define men’s and women’s roles, all of these fall on the power and control wheel of abusive behaviors. Argue with the professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:43 PM
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“If it’s true” when there is literal photo evidence of him thrashing her lmao wow
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:37 PM
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Notably, the pregnancy-related mortality rate for Black women who completed college education or higher is 5.2 times higher than the rate for White women with the same educational attainment and 1.6 times higher than the rate for White women with less than a high school diploma.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:10 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/qhkq1hunnjzb1.png?width=390&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e5a5951977ad0b17b8ebe95f2bb1c7e8571a9b5 Here you go dear. Maybe you’ll learn something 🤗
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 04:06 PM
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Don’t forget the lesser known kink called “legal play” where you get a restraining order for funsies 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:54 PM
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This is funny coming from a Stan of Myron “I’ve never made a woman cum” Gaines.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 01:18 PM
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You’re just chatting now. single father homes are not by default more stable than single mother homes. From your source: “Research has shown that men with outstanding child support debts tend to be less involved in their children’s lives”. First, is this correlation or causation? Its a chicken or an egg thing. Are shitty uninvolved fathers more likely to have child support debt? Here’s a solution… be a better husband or get a better job. If you can’t even pay child support, how are you going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:08 AM
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Many assumptions here. I never said mothers can do no wrong. The data I posted (from a lawyer for dads) stated that men don’t ask for custody. So whose fault is that? Huge financial gain? How is losing a full income and replacing it with 10% of that income a huge gain? If a woman had a house when she was married plus access to her husbands full income, then divorced and has a house and access only to alimony and/or child support that is not a gain. It’s a loss. That’s just simple math. As to dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:59 AM
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Data or it didn’t happen. You’re accusing lawyers en masse of fraud. Without any evidence. Meanwhile, one thing that you can find data on is how many fathers hop from woman to woman making babies and only taking care of one household at a time, if any. Paying 200 dollars in child support to the first baby mom and 12 dollars to the fourth. I don’t know where you’re getting this deadbeat mother statistic when most dads don’t ask for custody “Census statistics show that fathers represent around one…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:45 AM
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Older children aren’t defenseless humans compared to a grown man? What’s your agenda here? Where’s your data to show this incentive? If there’s a financial incentive to being a single mom (ie welfare) you’re saying that welfare money provides more than the father did, meaning the father ain’t shit, because welfare money ain’t shit and if that’s more than the dad can do, he’s a bum. Unless you’re talking about middle class divorce, which is also not a financial incentive, because if you just read…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 10:37 AM
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omg it gets better This is the kind of unhinged guy you’re parading around as the patron saint of dads who dindonuffin and are victims of the police state. Incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:24 AM
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Oh this guy? Yeah he sounds like a stellar parent. Hitting his 4-year-old child hard enough to draw blood … and shocked the mother left him? Yeah sounds like “false accusations” to me. Then doesn’t pay child support, faces the consequences of that… And then… sets himself on fire. That sounds like just the amount of emotional stability a child needs in her life. Maybe not the best example… “My story starts with the infamous slapping incident of April 2001,” he wrote. While putting his 4-year-old …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:06 AM
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Let me guess… baby moms “falsely accused” you and somehow schemed and lied so well the legal system believed her and now having done nothing wrong ever you’re being forcibly denied the privilege of fatherhood? I’d say where there’s smoke there’s fire. The only dude I know of whose child’s mom and kid have a restraining order against him actually deserved that shit and worse. But let him tell it…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 12:53 AM
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That’s like me being like “let’s focus on obese diabetics” and you’re like “no let’s talk about the slim ones.” Like…. Deadbeat dads are so much more common than deadbeat moms. Anyway I imagine you’re trolling or stalking responding to a 126 day old comment. hi superfan
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 12:24 PM
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here you go Some interesting facts from the study: 22% of “single fathers” are cohabiting with partners. 21% are living with other family members. In the pew report (much quoted in the “outcomes are better for single father household” argument), 41% were cohabiting. “Single fathers have as much, if not more, access to support from friends and extended families” Children of single fathers have consistently more antisocial and violent behavior, and more substance abuse than children of single moth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 02:03 PM
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Single father homes tend to have much more support from the women in their lives than single mother homes have from the men in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 12:41 PM
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Don’t ever change your flair it’s brilliant 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 01:51 AM
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This is exactly what I teach my son - if a woman or a smaller man attacks you, you use exactly as much force as you need to keep yourself uninjured and no more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 11:03 AM
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If they’re asking “what are we” only one of you is having casual sex. The other one has expectations that haven’t been communicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 11:32 AM
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Was it inevitable or did one or both of you just ignore the expectation setting part?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 10:31 AM
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Rubbing his hands or
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:50 AM
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Yeah, the scientists are all lying to you “In women who are genetically predisposed to development of PCOS, weight-gain and obesity often result in its clinical and biochemical manifestation” IE some people are predisposed to developing PCOS (the bullet) and some of those people eat a shitty diet and don’t move enough and they get it (pulling the trigger). And then it becomes a cycle. It’s true that becoming obese will make it harder to lose weight. But hear me out…. If you never become obese, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 01:08 AM
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Or even just a below average dude who couldn’t get women when he was in his twenties but has magically become desirable because he turned 35 and started bathing regularly…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 04:45 PM
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It’s simple y’all. She’s twenty SIX. She has hit the wall. She will die alone because she failed to lock down a high value 40 year old when she was 18. Sucks for her
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:38 PM
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So like…. In the victim Olympics, you get a bronze. I tried to educate you about abuse, and you’re too caught up in your own victimhood to recognize that abuse comes in all forms, like “forbidding your wife to speak and controlling what she eats” which is what is being reported Kanye west does to his current wife. And again, if you refer to the handy diagram I posted early in this conversation, you’ll see that using your children as pawns and public humiliation (as he has done to his ex) are als…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:51 AM
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“I want to have the last word without ever once having said anything useful”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:41 AM
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“I now have suffered an injury to my ego and now I am ready to engage in battle with an internet stranger, while still never once having defended my incorrect point”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:39 AM
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“I can’t see how anything other than physical harm could affect someone, and yet I can’t stop responding to someone who is trolling me”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:36 AM
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“I’m so done with this conversation that I’ve kept replying long after I failed to state a valid point”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:32 AM
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“When confronted with facts and logic I appeal to nebulous ‘beliefs’ that I can’t back up with even a little bit of reason”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:31 AM
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“I’m just going to say you’re wrong and not back it up with any logic or facts because I can’t, so I’ll just say you’re wrong so I can feel better about my dumb ass position and run from the discussion instead of learning something”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:28 AM
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“I’m wrong and I run away from facts” Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:26 AM
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Ok let me go slowly. Let’s think about diabetes. There’s the diabetics whose sugar runs about 200 every day, and who will get kidney disease and eye disease in like 20 years. Then there’s the diabetics whose sugar runs about 600 every day, and they will be on dialysis in 5 years with bilateral amputations. Is the first guy not sick because the second guy is a lot sicker? Anyway yes the children are at risk. Psychological abuse is harmful, just in different ways than physical abuse. I knew a guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:24 AM
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I swear I have to bust out the power and control wheel like once a month on this site. Y’all don’t learn about this in school? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:18 AM
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Yes, abuse
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 09:13 AM
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Im stating a fact. If chronic illness and disability were the cause of obesity, every chronically ill or disabled person would be obese. And yet they aren’t. Because it always comes down to what you put in your mouth. If you can’t move as much, and you don’t eat as much, you don’t get fat. And telling people that weight has no bearing on health is harmful. Obesity is morbidity. Even if blood work is spot on, joints are suffering. liver is suffering. heart is under strain. breathing is affected. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 08:36 AM
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Women get fat because they eat more calories than they expend. Period. There’s a difference between “you deserve to live” and “yes girl you look fabulous in a bikini at 300 pounds and your weight has no bearing on your health.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/23 10:54 AM
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It’s the internet, and you weren’t being malicious. No need to apologize. I myself acknowledged that it may or may not be valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 04:08 PM
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I literally posted a quote from an article. I am not the “we” in question. If you have a problem with how the author speaks for women, take it up with her. I linked the source. As for me, I said “there is a theory.” And then I said “this is the theory.” I am not stating my opinion, I am stating a fact. The author is stating an opinion. I am stating the fact that the opinion exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:00 PM
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The previous poster assumed I was a man. So I told her I have just as much right as she does to state an opinion from a woman’s perspective. Especially since she made a blanket (inaccurate) statement. And again…. I’m not even representing my own thought here. I stated a fact (that a theory exists). I backed up the fact with evidence. Dassit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:54 AM
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I didn’t even say I think like this. I said it’s a theory. Then i cited an article that puts forth the the theory. Why is this controversial
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 04:02 PM
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Girl my circle is far from shady. We all look good and we all lift each other up. If you had actually read what the author wrote, you might get the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 03:52 PM
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Do you always make arguments without being informed? Just saying anything. I’m a woman. I can speak to how we communicate and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:43 PM
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It is. Is it valid? Maybe or maybe not. But it’s definitely a theory “worked in digital media for years at companies that were direct competitors with Cosmopolitan, Women's Health, and Self. I edited and produced content about women's health and body positivity, and in all my years of working in the editorial room, I never saw any obese women writing articles about fat acceptance. All the editors, writers, directors, and executives that were involved in creating body positive content were thin, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 12:37 PM
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There’s a theory that “yaaaas queen” is actually sabotaging the competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:03 AM
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It’s a silly way of doing so because of the difference in standards. It’s like you being like “I got a 93% on this kindergarten test and you got a 60% on this calculus test so see how I’m out performing you?” (Most) women have much higher standards than men for sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:57 AM
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How is this a flex?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:19 AM
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Make whatever assumption you want. I could get off to a livestream of some guy giving head in front of the Eiffel Tower and still not be a hypocrite for not wanting to marry him. Why? Because if I did consume that, it would be in the privacy of my own home, where I prefer my sexual activity to remain. I wouldn’t be doing it for money or for attention, or in public. He is. I don’t want a man who makes a career out of sexually exploiting himself. Just exactly like I don’t want to fuck or marry Mel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 01:57 AM
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I consume Mel Gibson movies… wouldn’t fuck him. Wouldn’t marry him. Is that hypocritical? Extrapolate that to any piece of media you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 12:39 AM
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I didn’t say that as an objective statement. for me with my value system private sex is the only way I want it. That’s why I choose partners who share my values. I don’t give a fuck what anyone who is not my partner or my children does with their bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 09:11 PM
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They still found it appropriate to do. Just like I wouldn’t date a rapist if he stopped raping, or a murderer who had stopped murdering, or an abuser who had stopped abusing or a cop who retired or a guy who voted for trump in 2016 but not in 2020. Not saying that doing porn is equivalent to any of those. But it shows that you had values so different than mine that we couldn’t be compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:22 PM
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For me, sex is a private and intimate act, not something to be public and commodified. So I wouldn’t be in a relationship with someone who sells sex. I wouldn’t have sex in front of other people or on camera for strangers to ogle, so I wouldn’t want my partner to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 08:10 PM
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Seriously? Look at it like this. The same things that make a good cop also make one more likely to be a domestic abuser. If I need a cop, I’ll call one, because I need his services. But I won’t marry one, because I don’t want to be abused. Or the bezos analogy - he runs a very good business - being greedy and exploitative makes him very good for consumers. But it would make him a terrible husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 09:46 AM
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Because, like I said, a consumer relationship has different parameters than an intimate one. Using ones services does not mean you have to accept them for a relationship. I order from Amazon but I’m not going to fuck Jeff Bezos…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:52 AM
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It’s a useless hypothetical. Drug dealers don’t need to exist when drugs are legal. Illegal trades will always need to be supported by violence. The point is, I consume drugs from drug dealers, but I’m not a hypocrite for not wanting to marry one. Consumer relationships and intimate relationships are not the same thing. Just like a person can consume only fans content without wanting to marry an only fans model.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:27 AM
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Because I don’t want to deal with the drama of someone who is involved in illegal trade as their livelihood. I never have enough drugs on me to go to jail, but a drug dealer has to have that. Also because they don’t make any money unless they’re a kingpin, in which case they’re probably responsible for a lot of deaths. Also because they’re always on call. Also, because they couldn’t figure out a legal hustle. Etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:52 AM
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I’ve used drug dealers thousands of time in my life and I’m not going to marry one. What’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:05 AM
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Hot is an amalgamation of characteristics of which one fairly highly weighted element is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 01:09 AM
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Still arbitrary. Still no good reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:45 AM
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What does conception have to do with teaching a girl about her period and your implication that unless her education comes from a biological mother it’s suboptimal? The adjective is not interchangeable. The most direct route to conception is to drag a girl by the hair and rape her daily until she conceives. This bypasses the need to court, date, and impress her. Is it optimal? So now, let’s go to “best.” Are you implying that heterosexual couples who need assisted reproduction have suboptimal fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:58 AM
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By your definition of optimal (btw the actual definition of optimal is “best or most favorable”, not most common and direct. But let’s use your definition.) : The most common and direct cause of pregnancy in young girls is rape. So rape is the optimal condition for young girls to fall pregnant. The most common and direct cause of limiting family size in developing countries is infant mortality. Infant mortality is the optimal method of family planning. You’re also failing to account for the 20% …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 12:04 AM
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The premise. The premise is illogical. You have yet to provide any logical reason why “husband and wife” is optimal. I’ve given you several situations that show that isn’t the case. You’re just arbitrarily defining something as optimal. I could just as easily say “only the best men should reproduce. So rich men having 6 wives who raise the children in a commune is optimal.” Or “genetic diversity is optimal. So one woman having 7 children by 7 men who are maximally invested in their child is logi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 02:42 PM
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You haven’t proved any point. What about a biological mother makes her more equipped to deal with a first period than any other woman in the family? What exactly makes it optimal? What makes biological fatherhood optimal? If dad doesn’t know he isn’t the father, there is no perceivable difference in his bonding to the child. So there is maximal investment. That’s your double blind study right there. You keep just saying the same thing without backing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:58 PM
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Ones biological family, especially in traditional cultures, includes a wide variety of extended relatives. Often, grandma is doing the majority of the childcare because mom and dad are in the fields. Do newborn babies need a biological father? One could easily argue that the biological father is needed for precisely the time of conception (so about 5 seconds of ejaculation) and otherwise does nothing for the child that another man couldn’t do. Case in point - men who bonded to “their” children f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:12 PM
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Bro, gravity is still a theory. Parents should not be the only influence in a child’s life. Your realistic hypothetical fails to account for the natural systems of mentorship that occur in extended families. You don’t need a biological mom to teach you about periods. Any woman close to you will do. The thing about two parents that gives them an advantage is the division of labor and the multiplication of resources, not the particular genitals of the parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 12:11 PM
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The point is “the norm” assumes two ideal partners which is rarely the case. And in many cases, gay couples are much more intentional about childbearing (because they have to plan it) than straight couples who just oopsied their way into parenthood. Here’s a conclusion from a 2023 meta review in a well respected journal. “Most of the family outcomes are similar between sexual minority and heterosexual families, and sexual minority families have even better outcomes in some domains. “
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 11:12 AM
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What if the wife has deep shame around menstruation and passes that on to the daughter? What if the gay guy is really open and empathetic and brings his super cool woman friend to help?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 10:15 AM
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Right! She has great facial features. I have a feeling she’s getting lumped in with the much less facially attractive first girl for reasons i can’t qwhite put my finger on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:30 PM
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To be clear, I’m not saying short people are universally unattractive. For me, height is a factor in attraction. So is race. So is body type. So like, I wouldn’t find a 6’3 dad bod white guy attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:45 PM
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To me it made him sexually unattractive, yes. I did not enjoy having sex with him like I do with taller men, because I did not like the way his body looked or felt next to mine. I was willing to overlook that. And it did affect his proportions. Before I met him, he sent a picture, and my first thought was “he looks short.” But he lied about it (by a good margin) and I believed him. Tall people are not just stretched out short people. Generally short men are shorter because they have shorter limb…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:27 PM
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It absolutely does. I dated a guy significantly shorter than me once and it made me feel like a child was trying to climb me. My actual child was taller than him. I tried, but I could not force sexual attraction. In the end though, what made him repulsive to me, and why I dumped him, was his character, not his height.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:58 PM
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Gender euphoria is an underrated joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:32 PM
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That’s just, like, your opinion man. I gleefully empty my cup every month like “wow amazing.” I don’t get cramps, and I have a pretty good hold on my emotions, so not bad. I don’t walk down dark alleys but if the two of us were being attacked by a stranger, who is more likely to be defended and who is probably going to have to fend for himself? Sexism is a bitch but I take benevolent sexism as reparations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:20 PM
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Pregnancy has kind of an amazing cost benefit ratio. Blood is beautiful. And who cares about being weaker than half the adult population when you can just leverage a cute smile and a sweet disposition and have them falling all over themselves to do all the heavy lifting? Being a woman is awesome :)
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 03:11 PM
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Like i said, if you’re doing it right, you’re catching women well before they’ve tipped into psychosis. You lower the stress of parenting so it doesn’t tip them over. But one way you could do it, if the danger were really great, would be to stabilize the woman inpatient, with her child and supervision. Psych hospitals have people on 1:1 observation all the time. And a breastfeeding infant doesn’t take many institutional resources to keep with the mother. You’re acting like you could prevent infa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:38 PM
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If the guiding focus is on the infant, you help the primary caretaker. That helps the infant. There is no short end of the stick here. In your solution, both ends of the stick are short. Do you know how poorly kids in foster care tend to do? Do you know that the family system around a woman who has fallen through the cracks is unlikely to be able to properly care for this infant you’re taking away from its primary caretaker? What part of “prevent the mother from getting floridly psychotic and yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:47 PM
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The same system that you’re proposing would actually prevent the problem by treating the mothers before it gets to murder. If you have this “robust system of identification,” you are by definition catching the issue before it becomes a major problem. The point is, if you’re identifying floridly psychotic moms you’re already too late. The analogy here is saying you should cut off every slightly gangrenous diabetic toe without working on the underlying diabetes. But if diabetics had proper healthc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:29 PM
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What’s crazy is that you can’t understand how supporting the mother can prevent the infant from becoming a victim. You’ve got to move your thinking upstream a bit. Being reactive here is not the solution - being proactive is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:02 PM
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You’re… not getting there. If you give the drug dealer a means to support himself that isn’t selling drugs, he won’t. If you give the user a means of using drugs that’s safe, he won’t die. You protect infants from potentially murderous moms by making them less murderous. In the case of PPP, you give them antipsychotics. In the case of abject poverty, you give them resources so that they don’t feel the need to make one less mouth to feed. A destabilized family is just kicking the fan down the roa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 10:39 AM
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From your source: “while fathers were about equally likely to kill an infant, they were more likely to be the alleged murderer of children older than a year, especially when the children were adults (fathers were the offenders in 78.3 percent of those cases). Overall, fathers were the accused murderer 57.4 percent of the time.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:20 AM
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lock up all the drug dealers more drug dealers take their place because you haven’t addressed the underlying cause more people die of fentanyl overdose separate psychotic mothers from their children destabilize the family further rinse and repeat Oh but wait…. You can’t identify the psychotic mothers because they don’t have healthcare. But if they had healthcare, you could have treated their psychosis before you needed to separate them from their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:09 AM
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Really? Because providing them with alternate means of supporting themselves and their families might not deter them from selling drugs? Just like identifying and supporting mentally ill mothers might not prevent them from killing their kids? Maybe I’m starting to get your line of thinking. It’s wrong though
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:44 AM
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I mean, duh MF that’s how you save the infants. Look to the system for the solution. Let me guess - you think the solution to the drug problem is the War on Drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 02:01 AM
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Sure it does. In areas of systemic grueling poverty and overpopulation it’s also prevalent. It’s almost as if supporting mothers in vulnerable situations could help prevent this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:43 AM
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Funny how Americas healthcare system is broken enough these women don’t get diagnosed…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:38 AM
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Psychosis is literally detachment from reality. Women with the worst version of the condition lose any connection to knowing right from wrong. There’s a reason “not guilty by reason of insanity” is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:34 AM
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Postpartum psychosis is an actual biochemically mediated condition. What’s men’s excuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 01:19 AM
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Speak for your fucking self.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:13 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:09 AM
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This is my point about the true ick. I truly believe it’s a fail safe warning system for red flags that you may have been ignoring, but may end up disastrous. I think that if you don’t listen to your brain or your gut, eventually your genitals will speak up like “DO NOT PROCEED.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 12:32 AM
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so do these guys
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:41 AM
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She didn’t look past it though. She made a whole album about it and he went to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 10:04 PM
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Right because you can end up pregnant with HIV from paying for pizza.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:55 AM
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The what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:38 PM
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Beyoncé wasn’t quite BEYONCÉ yet. They were nowhere near the same status in 2000. He was (in hip hop) at the tippity top of the chain. And Jay Z has charisma for decades. If you want to play the red pill game, he was already very popular with women so… preselection.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:33 PM
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23% of violent crimes against women (excluding homicide) are perpetrated by strangers. An average of 800,000 women a year are victims of violence by strangers = about 1/180. And that’s what’s reported to the police, so it’s safe to say that’s underreported. And that also doesn’t include nonviolent harassment, stalking, etc. So it’s pretty common. source Edit - it’s actually higher than that because the stats only include women above 12 years old, and 1/180 includes all females. Dirty math puts i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 09:48 PM
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Every woman I know has similar stories. At some point it becomes a common experience of womanhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:25 PM
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It’s pretty common. I’m a middle aged woman (albeit a fairly attractive one) and I still have recently been followed down the street for two blocks by a guy yelling about my legs (I was wearing an almost knee length shirt dress) and had a guy yell “fuck you” at me after I very politely declined his persistent advances. I’ve had a guy I briefly dated show up to my house even though I never gave him my address. I’ve had a cab driver hit on me to a point I shared my location with a friend “just in …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 07:10 PM
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Most women who chose single parenthood have abundant resources and support already in place before the child is even conceived. They often have male role models ready to mentor their children. IVF is a 5-6 figure investment. Those kids are not the ones you need to worry about. Save your activism for the deadbeat dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:37 PM
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Murder isn’t the only thing that happens when you refuse - you might “just” get punched in the face or spit on or verbally assaulted or followed and harassed. You never know who is crazy. The other day on the bus a dude straight kicked an older lady who happened to bump past him (the bus was super crowded) without saying excuse me. It’s not worth the risk to set someone off so I always err on the side of rejecting as gently as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 01:32 AM
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I understand your point about the term being applied too broadly, and that it has been co-opted by sexists. I only apply it to that specific circumstance of leveraging white female privilege. And out of respect to the good people of the world named Karen, I will try to use WWWT as the standard. I do think that the unarmed shooting stats do not do justice to the harm Black people face in the criminal justice or vigilante system in NYC. For example, Eric Garner, choked to death for selling loosies…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:35 PM
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Wait. You can’t see how being scared for your dog doesn’t translate to calling the police and saying a Black man is threatening your life? Not “a man is harassing my dog who is off leash unlawfully.” A specifically Black man is threatening my White female life. That’s a call for the police to come running with their guns out. She tells him exactly what she is going to do, and she does it. watch it again. Her intent is explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:15 PM
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Unpack that. I’m assuming you’re a White woman. It is a privilege to get aggressive with someone clearly bigger than you when you’re scared. Your assumption, conscious or otherwise, is that even if you’re aggressive, you won’t be perceived or treated as a threat, and that there will be no retaliation Men and nonwhite women do not have that privilege. It does not at all make sense to get aggressive when you feel threatened, if you do not have the physical capability to disarm the threat. It only …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 11:11 AM
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“Not a tear came down miss” Body language aside, if you’re so terrified as to scream for help, why would you be the physical aggressor? Why would you bump your abdomen against someone and say “you’re hurting my fetus?” Why would you snatch your “attackers” phone, which would certainly provoke violence? She. Was. Not. Scared. She was mad. She played scared so she could get people to help her get what she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:53 AM
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I agree with you that the term Karen is problematic in ways and also overused. I do think, however that it properly identifies the wielding of white femaleness as a weapon or a means to get what one feels entitled to. Citibike Sarah was just being a regular asshole when she scanned the bike when the kid was holding on to it. What became Karen behavior is when she screamed for help while being the aggressor in the situation. Maybe a less problematic term for that is WWWT - weaponized White woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 10:51 AM
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You’re taking my point literally instead of seeing the analogy. Does it make it any better that her fake screaming and fake tears failed to get the desired result? She instigated the situation by reaching over the handlebars to scan the bike after they refused to just give it up because she asked. The boy is not touching her. She’s touching him. She’s shoving him with her abdomen then saying he’s hurting her fetus. She’s snatching his phone out of her hands. You don’t get to scream for help when…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:16 AM
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Just like you pointed out that there are a few Black MAGAts, the outliers don’t make the rule. Note that the men use direct violence, whereas Karens use their femaleness to incite men to violence on their behalf. And whiteness is central to this, as they leverage the image of the pure white damsel to claim victimhood even if they are, in fact, the aggressor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 01:50 AM
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So if I try to shoot you and miss I’m wrong? She tried to weaponize her tears and it landed flat and got her in a world of trouble. Oh well. You’re assuming she was scared because… scared people are physically aggressive with people bigger than them who are threatening them? Because poor terrified citibike Karen snatched his phone? And all of a sudden when the white man told her to get a new bike she immediately stopped with the fake tears and just did what she could have done before the whole s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 01:31 AM
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You are lumped in with all the “you people” who defend her behavior. The people who came out defending her called the boys thugs, thieves, men, etc. meanwhile, they redocked the bike and cost her zero dollars. So while you might not have said these things, you’ve aligned yourself with the people who have. You’re almost to the point - the outrage is not so much about who deserved the bike, or even that she assaulted and stole from a teenager after the equivalent of taking something out of his han…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:22 PM
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She wasn’t just “upset in public.” At the crux of the Karen moniker (which is necessarily rooted in whiteness and femaleness) is the leveraging of white and female privilege to get what you want, using the existing power structure, because you feel entitled to it. Whether that’s calling the police on a legal barbecue, calling the police and lying about a “Black man threatening your life,” calling the manager because the peon at the front desk isn’t bending the rules for you, or fake screaming fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:17 PM
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Let me clarify: citibike Karen thinks she’s entitled to be physically aggressive without consequence. And that is rooted in her whiteness and her femaleness and what social protections she thinks that affords her. She believes she is entitled to be protected by the public against the “thieving thugs” she is assaulting You are prioritizing property over bodily autonomy by saying that she was entitled to shove him off the bike he was occupying just because she reached over him and scanned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:44 PM
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Would you rather I just stick to calling her an asshole since you’re caught up in the terminology? I don’t care what she looks like. I care about what she did. You act like she was displaying civil behavior. So if I take the last case of water at Walmart to the register, but I haven’t paid for it yet, you think it’s normal human behavior to snatch it out of my hand and pay for it and take it? A White woman screaming help amongst a group of Black “men” (who aren’t attacking her) in NYC is an invi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:33 PM
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You keep harping on her looks. Cow is British slang for an annoying or offensive woman. What makes her much worse than a regular asshole who lays claim to something in someone else’s physical possession is that she was the aggressor (physically) and she played the victim, using her whiteness and her femaleness to paint a false narrative that she was being attacked rather than just having a minuscule dispute. Stealing a phone is bad. Stealing a phone while screaming for help and fake crying like …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:27 PM
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“People like you” means you could watch that video and not understand what she was doing by weaponizing her tears, perhaps because you’ve never been subjected to any kind of racism. Her screaming for help with a completely straight face and lightning fast return to composure is so obvious. That you can’t see it puts you firmly in the “people like you” category. You have unconscious bias and you won’t let it go. Body language says a lot. Her body language says “aggressor” and that’s what make her…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:40 PM
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She is a thief and a menace. She stole his phone. On camera. Because she’s an entitled cow. And that had nothing to do with what she looks like. It has everything to do with her behavior. She’s a white woman who was physically aggressive with a Black boy (not man), who pretended to be in danger and screamed for help when she was the one stealing (his phone). Like I said, it takes two to three minutes for a bike to reset. That’s plenty of time for her to come up and scan it while he’s got his han…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:04 PM
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Look at her face between “screams.” She knew exactly what she was trying to do. She wanted her way, and she pretended to be in danger so she could get her way. That’s a menace. She asked them for it, they said no, while the boy was still on it. She couldn’t take no for an answer, because entitlement, so she scanned it while the kid was on the bike. It’s like seeing someone hail a cab and then jumping into it. She was an asshole for how she acted before, during, and after the incident.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:25 PM
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Aside from the fact that it’s not about the bike it takes about 2 minutes for a bike to reset. People do it all the time. One asshole behavior (sitting on a bike waiting for it to reset) hurts no one. There were other bikes. One asshole behavior (weaponizing white tears) can lead to death. She was Amy coopering, and worse than that, because she was the aggressor. She is the only one who committed a crime, and yet she was screaming like she was being attacked, because she wanted that particular b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:20 PM
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She paid for it while someone else was waiting to pay for it. She asked for it and couldn’t take “no I’m about to use it” for an answer (because she’s entitled) she took it out from under his hands. It was an asshole move to begin with. Common sense says that an entitled white woman feels like she can take something from a group of Black boys without consequences, then be physically aggressive and fake cry for sympathy when they don’t let her do it. She wasn’t trying to steal the bike from them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:04 PM
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I watched the video 400 times. I kept up with the story from all sides. The boy had his hands on the bike. He was about to take the bike back out. He had it in his physical possession ie his hands were on the handlebars when she tried to wrangle it. He didn’t steal shit. She was the physically aggressive one, even going so far as to snatch his phone. So this entitled ass white woman is being physically aggressive while “screaming” for help and using fake tears to get a white knight to help her, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:59 PM
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This is exactly why the moniker Citibike Karen is accurate. Weaponized white woman tears are a menace
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:40 AM
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It was news because yet another White woman weaponized her tears against Black boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:39 AM
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Oh god. Citibike Karen is the essence of an entitled cow. First she physically tried to take possession of a bike someone else was holding. Then she was physically aggressive with a person twice her size. Then, while being physically aggressive (and snatching the boys phone) she fake screams for help because she knows that she will look like an innocent victim because she’s arguing with Black boys. She wasn’t a victim here. I’m glad the people who matter see her true nature. Hopefully they can k…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:39 AM
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You’ve never heard the concept of “mothers helper” huh? Housewives were zombied out on alcohol and benzos.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:01 PM
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Call me Ms Parker, except I keep my goods covered for the most part. I give “lady in the streets” vibes and men eat it up. I consider my privilege reparations for sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:22 PM
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Lol nah dear. He was just high. I get called beautiful by strangers at least a few times a week. Even as a middle aged mom I still have hot girl privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:13 PM
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You’d think, right? But the other day a dude said he was homeless asked me for money while I was getting food. I didn’t have cash so I bought him a meal (to go). Then he proceeded to ask me out. And he pressed the issue, too. I was flabbergasted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:10 PM
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Giving very much Elliot Rodgers if girls would have had sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:30 PM
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Did you use chatGPT for this? Either way, strong work lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:46 PM
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So… ride and hide? Throw it back and throw him back? Cowgirl and hurl (him to the streets)? Bounce and bounce? Point is, women do this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:21 PM
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You know nothing about me. Myron dances like Elaine from Seinfeld. He’s not Black. You defending these dorks says a lot about you, none of it good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:57 AM
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Who’d have ever thought that a man who dons a KKK hood and says the hard r, who “doesn’t dabble in the dark” and worships whiteness, would treat Black women with disrespect?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:01 AM
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Shame we’re not allowed to talk about race here…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 01:38 AM
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r/whenwomenrefuse
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 10:40 PM
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Because you can move to the rhythm. So good. I still flashback to a specific move a lover put on me that was right in time to the beat and it drove me wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:25 AM
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If you’re with a man like you described in your post I’d advise the same. Your advice is toxic AF
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 11:24 AM
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I don’t fuck people who don’t court me, no matter how attractive they are, so I can’t really relate to your statement. I was so immediately, viscerally attracted to the man I’m dating now that I slipped him my number - we hadn’t said three words to each other (it wasn’t a social setting). I wanted to jump his bones from the second I laid eyes on him. Guess what I did? Wait it out, let him court me. This post is about courting, not one night stands. I imagine though that just like men have a diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 08:04 PM
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Whooosh was way back when you missed that healthy women don’t fall for that shit no matter what the guy looks like. The last guy I dated with narcissistic qualities was 6’5 and classically handsome. He didn’t get too far because I didn’t like his character. Because I’m a well adjusted woman who isn’t going to break my own heart because a guy is good looking. Attraction is the floor. I get the feeling you blame your lack of success with women on your looks. Your bitterness towards “chad” belies a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:24 PM
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There’s a difference between normal attention and affection and love bombing. My sense is that love bombing is kind of a desperation tactic to try to get a girl hooked on you when she wouldn’t otherwise be head over heels. Really attractive men can afford to take things at a normal pace because there is that baseline attraction, whereas unattractive men are trying to sell a dream because they don’t inspire visceral attraction in the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:14 PM
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Nah it’s really never charming if you’re mentally healthy with a secure attachment style.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:01 PM
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That’s more along the lines of discussing values. Maybe I misunderstood your initial statement. Discussing values is cool. You said “explaining how he would treat her” which is more along the lines of “I want to provide for you in the future.” Again though, you could just demonstrate that in the way you court her. The last few dates I went on were in nice restaurants, and I didn’t even see the check. I got the vibe the gentlemen would have been offended if I even offered to pay. That tells me a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:06 AM
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I’m not sure I understand. What is his purpose? Why does a man need to explain why he wants to treat a woman well? Why would that be a reason for being with her? There’s a difference between being communicative (communicating regularly, going on dates, expressing interest), which is healthy, and love bombing, which is not. Healthy relationships have a steady progression. Here’s the difference: on a third date, saying “I’d love to get married some day and have kids” opens a conversation about lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:54 AM
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In my experience, a man “explaining how he would treat me” is often part of love bombing, which is a big red flag. I can tell how a man will treat me by his actions, how he is treating me in the present. Obviously he wants to have sex with me, or he wouldn’t be courting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:23 AM
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I see your point, but “not being a nag” still requires a superior emotional intelligence. ie man leaves his dirty draws all over the bedroom, doesn’t notice it irks woman, woman has to find a way to address it without hurting man’s ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:20 AM
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Friendly girls usually have a big circle of friends. Introverts aren’t usually especially friendly. it’s like saying you want a guy who spends all day in the gym but isn’t fit. Like I said, I don’t think it’s conscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:30 PM
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Yes. I can expand: Just like most men are taller than women, and women want a man taller than them, most women are more social than men and men want a woman who is “friendly,” which means that seeking that out is seeking someone with a wider social network than them. Every guy I’ve been with has like 3 close friends. I have like 15 women I would consider myself very close to. No man I know is super active on instagram. When I was (and I kept my page super private to only people I knew and liked …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:50 PM
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I would say that “a woman who is friendly” likely has a wider social circle than a man, in general. “Friendly” to a lot of men means cooperative and sometimes submissive, which takes more emotional intelligence than a man has, in general. It means being able to soothe his ego in a way that many men are incapable of. It may not be explicit, but it’s basically like saying “I want a woman who is fit” is saying I don’t want a woman who is fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:00 PM
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“Fit feminine friendly”. 2 of 3 are based on social skills and emotional intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:52 PM
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What I’m saying is they are. Sociologically they want women who are better at socializing, have wider friend circles, are more emotionally intelligent, etc than them. Educationally they want someone with more domestic education. Better at cleaning, better at cooking, better at nurturing kids. All these things are learned. What you’re missing is that by arbitrarily defining sociological “being better” as having more economic status and educational “being better” as having more formal schooling, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:38 PM
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Men aren’t hypergamous because you’re defining characteristics they don’t want someone to be better in. Society has deemed these to be indicative of “higher social standing.” And yet men want someone More beautiful More domestically gifted More socially skilled More flexible in personality Etc These traits are just not valued in the same way
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:03 AM
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You’re so right. I totally thought Rosie the Riveter was a real woman who single-handedly saved American infrastructure while men were at war. I wasn’t at all being facetious as a nod to the many women who did actually go to work “men’s jobs” during that period. I’ll see myself to the dunce corner 😔
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:17 PM
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I’m just saying women adapt. And physical labor is becoming less of an issue now with automation and robotics. So brute strength is less of an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:59 AM
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Welp.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:18 PM
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Not too late to educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:09 PM
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The education system has failed you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 05:04 PM
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Rosie the riveter would like a word…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 04:13 PM
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She weighs 242 pounds according to this source and that is much more likely than 160. At 5’11 160 she would be pretty slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 07:01 PM
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Nerds can be hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:42 PM
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What you said was “more exciting car = more problems.” And “if you want a supermodel, you deal with supermodel problems” Not all supermodels are terrible people. Nothing about a guy spending a lot of time in the gym or making money makes him a bad person just for those reasons. If you have the money to afford the Bentley, the repair costs don’t make it a bad car for you. Why would you buy a Camry? If you can tolerate the trade offs of a hot guy (and they aren’t always huge: for example, my late …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:42 PM
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That’s fair. I think many woman insert “stay single” between options one and two.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 04:27 PM
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I understood your point, but I don’t agree with it. If men are the “gatekeepers of relationship,” then by definition a woman in a relationship with a “Bentley” deserves one. Also, not all “Bentleys” are assholes. Not all “Camrys” are good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 03:51 PM
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Since this is about women’s preferences, she only matters if the woman is bisexual or gay, but she’s still on the bottom rung.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:22 PM
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I mean Marjorie Taylor Greene managed to get married and have a boyfriend so anything is possible I guess…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:21 PM
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I agree in most instances, but extrapolated to relationships: Laughing in a Bentley > laughing on a bike > crying on a Bentley > crying on a bike (at which point you might as well walk)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 10:33 AM
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… All that work just to miss the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 10:01 AM
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I’ll speak for me. There is a floor of physical attractiveness that needs to be reached or else I can’t be intimate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 09:47 AM
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The analogy is “money doesn’t buy happiness but it’s nicer to cry in a Bentley than a Camry” Obviously, a hot guy who treats you well is best. Second to that is a meh guy who treats you well. Your bad option is a hot guy who is an asshole. But the worst of all possible options is the troll who is also an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 12:53 AM
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Amazon, obviously
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:35 PM
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Both times I’ve gotten the ick it was to save me from dangerous people. The first one, I never was attracted to him in the first place but he love bombed me when I was a bit vulnerable coming out of widowhood and I didn’t recognize it and gave him a chance . My gut said he was a very bad person but I didn’t trust it because I don’t have a lot of experience with men outside my long marriage. Pretty soon into it I felt viscerally revolted by him. Even the way he smelled made me physically recoil. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 05:40 PM
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You are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 02:58 PM
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Not PP but I feel the same. They can’t without being intelligent. I don’t find broad humor or fart jokes or physical comedy funny. Quick wit, subtle wordplay, all that cerebral humor is what gets me. You don’t have to be nerdy to be smart though - look at Jay z. He was a drug dealer and he uses triple entendres in his verses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 10:34 AM
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Holy internalized misogyny Batman
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 02:35 AM
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He’s fairly handsome and I guarantee you he’s actually charming. We’re not talking about fake jets etc. He was probably getting girls from a young age. This is talking about the dork who tries to be cool. We’ve all met him. And they can’t shake the dork vibe. Genuinely cool nerdy guys are sexy because they own their nerdiness. Try hards are pretty transparent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 12:36 PM
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No he had real charisma. That’s how he did it. You can fake money etc but you can’t fake swag.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:37 AM
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I’d be like awesome we can afford more house if we both contribute. I’d rather pay some and live in a bigger place in a nicer neighborhood than have him pay the whole thing and we can’t afford somewhere as nice. What’s the point in partnership if you can’t combine resources and divide costs?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 09:10 AM
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It’s 2023. A man could say that 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 10:46 PM
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Oof lol I’d be miserable
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:53 PM
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I’ve met quite a few, including a millionaire or two
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:22 PM
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I’m absurdly highly educated but I have a lot of respect for people who aren’t formally educated but have made a way. I actually find them even more attractive because they have a high level of raw intelligence and drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:12 PM
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Do you know any doctors? I know at least 100 and not a single one has married a bikini model (unless she was also a doctor)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 01:18 AM
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Lesbianism ratios? Are you seeing a graph I can’t access? You could say they don’t marry, but when they do, their top partnership is with another CEO. So at least some male CEOs like female CEOs. All things being equal, professionals date other professionals. Not saying a doctor is going to go for a “3” doctor over a “9” cashier. But he’d probably go for the “7” lawyer over the “8” cashier if the lawyer was pleasant and kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:54 AM
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There are many more male CEOs than female. So male CEOs widen their pool after the female CEOs are accounted for. In any case, professionals marry each other. “High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals.” The disparity comes from not being as many of them as male high earners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:38 AM
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interesting you should say that because female CEOs are likely to marry male CEOs. So maybe not always
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 12:20 AM
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I have genuine male friends and some orbiters I keep at a distance. The real friends I’ve known for years and even decades in some cases started out in situations where it just wasn’t that kind of situation. Like we were in a friend group and it would be weird, or we worked together. Also, I was with the same guy from age 19 to 38, so they were respectful of that. And I was respectful of their relationships. So we developed a familial relationship. A lot of them are in their own relationships no…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:29 PM
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Why does it have to be better? It’s different. (Healthy)Feminine energy is beautiful. So is masculine energy. It’s good to have a balance of energies in your life. All the guys I’ve ever met who don’t have women friends are dickheads, and they aren’t good with women. All the most sexually successful men I know have women as friends. Not as side pieces, not that they are orbiting and waiting to see if they can get out of the friend zone. Friends. They’re just people. It’s not that a “woman could …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 04:37 AM
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It’s a stupid question. Why would I dignify it with an actual answer? You’re not Socrates bro
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 01:29 AM
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If you are not capable of having a platonic friendship with a woman it says one of these things: 🚩 I am sexist 🚩I don’t see women as people beyond sex mates 🚩Women don’t like me as a person 🚩 I have no higher cortex control over my base instincts
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:43 AM
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Bro well-adjusted people have friends of both sexes. Argue with yaself
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:39 AM
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What kind of reality show morals do your friend group have that they don’t stay faithful to their significant others? It can’t be that difficult not to fuck around if you said you wouldn’t. Edit: fair enough lol I did say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 10:50 PM
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Did I say it was a red flag to anyone besides me? Did I complain about anything? Go sit down somewhere 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:44 PM
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You don’t have to be sorry. Just know it’s a huge red flag to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 07:08 PM
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🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:51 PM
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“Who actually likes him as a person” maybe you missed that part
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 01:40 AM
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At most a red piller will have transactional sex with someone he had to manipulate into sleeping with him, whereas if he just took the basic tenets of self improvement and left all the dark triad tactics behind he would probably be able to find a relationship with someone who actually likes him as a person. And as more women understand the red pill and its tactics, they will be less successful in manipulating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:07 PM
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Dread game is corny. It doesn’t work. I had a red piller try it on me and I laughed at him. He would literally show me thirsty texts from a (not very attractive, sad and clearly low self esteem) girl and it just solidified for me how desperate he was for me to like him. And that was so unattractive. I always say this. Red pill/ PUA tactics are like breast implants. You can always tell they’re fake, and they’re never as good as the real thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:31 PM
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How would you even know this? Unless you know every man she’s slept with, even if you ask her, it’s in her best interest to tell you “I make everyone wait.”
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:12 PM
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You’re making that up. It says nothing about attraction. SMV here is a proxy for how attractive the man may be to other women. Essentially OP is saying that some women will sleep with a high SMV man faster because of competition, not because the lower SMV man is unattractive to them.. So essentially it’s your ego bruised because “she doesn’t think other girls think I’m as hot as other girls think another guy is.” Regardless of how attracted she personally is to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 11:37 AM
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Who a) swipes right b) messages with and c) meets up with someone from a dating app they aren’t attracted to? In what world are women wasting this much time on someone they don’t want? If friends set you up and there isn’t a spark, there usually is no second date. If she accepts a second date, she’s vetting you for other compatibility besides physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:44 PM
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That’s not a date. If a woman who’s not attracted to you is going out with you, it’s because she sees you as a friend. That should be clear from her body language and likely making it explicit that it is not a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:51 PM
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It doesn’t work that way. It’s a threshold: attractive or not. Why would a woman date someone she didn’t want to sleep with?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:59 PM
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If I’m going out with someone I’m attracted to them. There aren’t that many women desperate for foodie calls to just go out with guys they don’t find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:44 PM
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What is the actual benefit of knowing or caring about that? Does your dick get smaller if she made you wait 3.4 days longer than her previous partner? If you can’t afford to take her out to dinner a few times, should you really be dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:26 PM
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You realize that not every woman is jumping into bed with “Chad” and making everyone else wait? Many women will wait to have sex with someone regardless of how hot they are because they want to build connection and get to know them first. If she likes you, there are other ways for her to show it. If you like her, you’re blowing a chance at fucking her regularly by pressuring her or using ridiculous PUA tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 12:55 PM
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That if is doing a lot of work, and if the girl was attracted to him, he wouldn’t need PUA tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 12:25 PM
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Nah, any woman with self respect is not going to be intimidated by that, and she will see your tactic as lame. Red pill/ PUA tactics are absolutely transparent if you know what to look for. And they make men look like losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:42 AM
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The issue with this is that you are always more replaceable to a girl. So unless you’re already “high value” (which you’re not, because you are resorting to red pill/ PUA tactics to get what naturals get… naturally), she’s gonna laugh in your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 11:19 AM
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“What other people think of me isn’t my business.” I wear what I want. Deal with your own emotions about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 11:26 PM
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First: rape is not about sex, it’s about power. Second: rape is one of the most traumatic things a person can experience. Third: WTAF is this take
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:35 PM
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Better according to whom though? It seems like you are making the unilateral call that your way = better. Which is controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:08 PM
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My theory is to communicate and set boundaries and to vet your partner for major incompatibilities before you commit. Like I said, nobody just starts posting thirst traps out of nowhere. If that’s not the kind of girl you want, don’t choose that kind of girl. It’s not fair to your partner to expect them to drastically change once you’re in a relationship with them. You’re not Pygmalion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:33 PM
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Expecting someone to mold themselves to your desires? Yes, expect disappointment. Expecting growth? Normal. You can expect to better each other, but you can’t expect to control the outcome. Ideally people change for themselves, and their partners benefit from that. Changing for someone else is rarely without resentment and disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:13 PM
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That’s a fast lane to disappointment. You date someone where they’re at, not where you want them to be, because they might never get there. Nobody just starts wearing skimpy clothing and posting thirst traps and entertaining DMs when they get into a relationship. They were like that when you got with them. So trying to change that is controlling. A boundary means that when it’s crossed, you change your behavior (ie you leave them). Controlling means trying to change someone else’s behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 04:51 PM
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In your analogy: normal healthy ambitious men are chocolate. AT is chocolate with laxatives in it. And arsenic. That you found behind a urinal in a public bathroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 03:35 PM
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Sounds like you deserve each other. May the worst person win
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 02:07 PM
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Common misconception that that song is celebrating singlehood.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:42 AM
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Just by walking down the street in a sundress? I’m sure a few near misses
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:31 AM
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It was a skit 🙄 Wanna invest in my super legit totally not a Ponzi scheme business? You seem like a super discerning guy who can tell the real from the fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 04:34 PM
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You can’t be this slow. Gender identity is the sense of who you are. Sexuality is the sense of whom you want to fuck. You’re not qualified for this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:47 AM
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🙄 middle schoolers know the difference between gender identity and sexuality. You don’t have to respect transgender identity but you sound like an idiot that you don’t know the difference. I, a biologically female woman, have both a gender and a sexual orientation. You (presumably a biologically male heterosexual man) do as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:38 PM
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Run off to Turkey to fix your face and body dear. Maybe then you can compete
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:33 PM
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You’re not attractive now. The only reason you’re perceived as more attractive is because of white supremacy. And you’re still under the white mans thumb. Women of color globally are so much more attractive than you. Specifically you. Go back to the glow up and see what they can do to make you even marginally attractive. Put down the pastries and get a waistline maybe. Oh wait. No matter how much weight you lose you’re still gonna have a flat ugly ass. That’s why you all emulate Black culture. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:27 PM
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And you’re ugly too? Lol no wonder you hate Black women. Naturally just so much more attractive than you so you have to try to tear them down because you’re sad and jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:23 PM
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The wall hits white women super hard at like 24. I bet there are Black women in their 50s with better skin than you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 12:22 PM
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Lmfao you got one part right. I’m Black. I post zero bikini pics online even though I look great in a bikini. I get sexualized in a knee length shirt dress so miss me with the “you’re sexualizing yourself” bullshit. My name is ironic, dear. I might identify as a hood rat, but you skipped right over the first part. There’s a 100% chance I’m more educated than you are and a 98% chance I make a lot more money than you do as well. In this social situation, you sweet ignorant soul, I’m the alpha. Now…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:53 AM
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I like men dear. And somehow I’m able to control my lusty impulses when they are cavorting around in their underwear with their nipples out and dripping dick prints.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:44 AM
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Lol you’re projecting dear. I’m raising a discussion point, but you seem to be the one getting emotional. Very feminine behavior. Not very alpha. Do all men wear briefs? No. So if underwear is inherently sexual in a beach setting, there’s a lot of male thots around who need to cover up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:35 AM
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Why just speedos? Most swim shorts don’t cover much more than boxers? If women in their “underwear” is sexual than so is men in theirs. Regardless of whether it’s boxers or briefs. Be consistent in your prudishness please
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:28 AM
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It’s only good if they’re doing it for free because they’ve been trafficked.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:18 AM
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What about men in shorts at the beach? Is that sexual? They’re basically wet boxer shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:17 AM
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I’d say the reason many working women want a provider is to make up for the added domestic value women are expected to provide. Married women do something like 7 more hours per week of unpaid labor than single women. And that’s before kids enter the picture. So a man making more money is just pulling the weight he’s not pulling domestically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 11:16 AM
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Trans… isn’t a sexuality. Can you at least speak the same language as the rest of the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 03:54 AM
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If that’s what helps you sleep at night
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:25 PM
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Sounds like mutual dissatisfaction but enjoy I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:10 PM
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I doubt it honestly. She probably tolerates you because you have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:55 PM
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They didn’t want to hurt your feelings because they didn’t find you attractive. Also, your response says a lot about your personality, which is probably another big reason being “ambitious and nice” got you nowhere. You sound like a “nice guy” not a person who is actually kind, which is what women (not females) do actually like. Anyway to answer your question I like a man who is attractive to me (and I have a fairly narrow band of attraction), smart, ambitious, kind, funny, cool, dresses well, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:39 PM
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You sound like a terrible lay who just learned jackhammering from porn and knows nothing else about pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:46 PM
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Quick question: are you 32 or 38? And are you fat and married or looking for dating advice? Your post history is a mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:41 PM
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Do you know any women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:57 AM
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But the majority of them choose one. The only ones I hear talking about “rich men don’t care about your career” are broke men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:55 AM
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Did you miss the memo?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 10:37 AM
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“Gotta commit to her biologically for life before you commit on paper which can be dissolved for $249”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:47 PM
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alpha males 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:46 PM
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Lol oh yes the mentally ill feminist trope. Original, dear. Bless your little red pill heart
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:52 PM
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I know enough from your comment not to like you ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:32 PM
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Feminists don’t hate men. We hate men like you. I love well-adjusted men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 12:06 PM
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Oh I thought we were going by the Kevin Samuels definition, which is where I heard that term. In any case, many of my professional friends are married to 666 guys. I can only think of one that’s short, but the rest are tall, handsome, and well off.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:28 PM
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I broke the bot
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:36 PM
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“I had to teach you how numbers work” lol dear heart. Do I have to teach you how words work? Reddit tolerates male bigotry just as much as it tolerates female bigotry. That’s why I mentioned that there were a number of misogynist subs not quarantined or banned. “My feelings couldn’t handle…”. Stop it. Right from the manosphere playbook. You’re bringing feelings into this because you can’t have a discussion without appealing to the misogynist dog whistles. So, dearest, quit your bullshit. Have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 02:17 PM
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For every FDS there are 5 misogynist subs. That is correct. I named them. You’re the one who moved the goal posts talking about subscriber count. Thanks for showing you don’t understand the argument. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:11 PM
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Not the elementary school clapback lmao… False equivalence dear. You can’t discount how many people subscribe to FDS as rage bait. Like I said though… misandrists bitch on the internet. Misogynists commit mass murder. Not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:55 PM
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The numbers also don’t tell you much…. More people get a cold every year then get Ebola. What would you rather get? Similarly, there are a lot more FDS subscribers than manosphere subscribers, but manospherians are much more virulent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:12 AM
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The world would be better if we dumped them all on a deserted island, but I still found the video to be a pretty spot on critique of FnF
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 11:38 PM
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Ain’t got shit to say about the peer reviewed article I showed you saying that age gaps are more likely among the “Lower cognitive ability, lower educational attainment, lower occupational wages, lower earnings, and less attractive appearance”? Doesn’t sound too much like the “HVM” you’re making up because you don’t actually know any…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:32 PM
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Read the whole thing. “Far more than they did 60 years ago, high-income Americans tend to marry others with high incomes.” From another paper: Empirical results show lower cognitive ability, lower educational attainment, lower occupational wages, lower earnings, and less attractive appearance among those married to a differently-aged spouse. These results, obtained using samples of first marriages and controlling for age of marriage, are consistent with a model in which individuals with more sch…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:14 PM
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Extrapolate, dear. If 92% of couples are within 10 years of each other, you really think that the majority of HVM fall into the 8%? high income people marry each other but you really want to say that 23 year old women are marrying 40 year old men lmao. You think high income women get that way in their early 20s?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 10:05 PM
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Data: “Although in 2014 the average age difference in US heterosexual relationships was a relatively small 2.3 years, many couples have a much wider gap. In Western countries, around 8% of male-female couples have an age-gap of 10 years or more, rising to 25% in male-male unions and 15% of female-female relationships.” source
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:34 PM
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Do you know them personally? My entire social circle is “HVM” marrying their equals in their 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:27 PM
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If I got through my contacts or instagram followers (and I keep my follower count minuscule and private) I can show you a dozen “HVM” who married women in their thirties, while in their thirties making >250k. Comments like this just point to the fact that you don’t know any actual “HVM.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 09:21 PM
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Indeed :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:14 AM
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Yes, just like you are dear. Let me guess, you’re so alpha you have to have the last word?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:13 AM
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Bless your heart… you think I care what incels think because I’m discussing it on the internet. No dear, I just think it’s fun to make fun of y’all for your stupid views until I start to feel sorry for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:10 AM
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I don’t cry about what incels and misogynists on the internet have to say, dear. I know lots of normal “high value men”. I’ve never heard any one of them allude to this analogy. I’ve never seen one of them obsessed with N count or virginity. We have no issue comprehending it. We just think it’s stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:48 AM
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I don’t cry about what incels and misogynists on the internet have to say, dear. I know lots of normal “high value men”. I’ve never heard any one of them allude to this analogy. I’ve never seen one of them obsessed with N count or virginity. We have no issue comprehending it. We just think it’s stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:46 AM
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Ok dear let me clarify. It’s an incel/misogynist tell :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 10:32 AM
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That’s not true. I engage with plenty of content I’m not subscribed to. Plus, you can’t know how many subscribers are rage-subbed. Also, the misogyny tends to be much more virulent than FDS, which, don’t get me wrong, is awful. But take the post I linked - literally a woman says she’s attracted to a doctor she works with and the comments are “she’s probably a fat whore after his money.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:13 PM
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Oh, sorry, antifeminist -45k subscribers. And pussypassdenied for good measure Sheer number of subscribers does not negate my point that misogynist subs are all over Reddit spewing incel vitriol. And that’s not even getting to the NSFW subs I don’t even want to look at or give name to. Reddit tolerates plenty of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:50 PM
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Againstmatrimony Lengforgirf Wherehaveallthegoodmengone Againstfeminism Fnfsnark None of those are banned or quarantined and they all have a distinctly misogynist bent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:36 PM
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Ahhhh so sexist boomers are the template? Cool
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 03:33 PM
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Normal people don’t get into the manosphere. I’ve never heard a well adjusted man use this analogy. It’s an incel tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:26 PM
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Nah, but it explains it. Meanwhile suburban wonders with zero trauma go on rampages because nobody wants to fuck them. Not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:25 PM
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You think keys don’t break? What if the lock is rusty? It’s a stupid analogy. All of them are stupid analogies. That’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:19 PM
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Read about her early life.. Contrast to whiny mass murderers who kill people because women don’t want them. Not even a little bit the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:06 PM
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The pencil that gets sharpened a million times gets shorter and stops working, but the pencil sharpener keeps running no matter how many pencils go in it. It’s a stupid analogy. Wait…. Did a fragile manospherian block me? Such emotional behavior from the stoic sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:45 PM
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What? She wasn’t even a femcel, she was a victim of horrific abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:39 PM
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There are plenty of misogynist subs still up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:35 PM
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right. We’ll agree to disagree. The difference is that femcels bitch on the internet and incels commit mass murder 🤷🏾‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:03 PM
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Not as popular but surely more vile. Any of the fresh and fit subs, against matrimony, wherehaveallthegoodmengone, againstfeminism are all just as bad as FDS
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 11:37 AM
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For every FDS there are 5 misogynist subs stop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:47 AM
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The natural, every time. It’s like a boob job - you can always tell, and there’s always some artifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:33 AM
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Ok bro. I don’t know what to tell you. Just stick to actual prostitutes and you’ll be fine. Leave dating to men who like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 08:37 PM
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Ummmmm… wasn’t that the agreement? You said you paid her phone bill in exchange for a hookup and she reneged on the agreement. Get your story straight
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 07:52 PM
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And yet she doesn’t prioritize it and expects to trade sex for paying the bill. And that’s who you think is wife quality. Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:54 PM
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Nah… there’s a glut of 30 something single high earning men in big cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 10:55 AM
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“Look at it. Look at that.” Says a lot about how this man views women-objects.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 05:32 PM
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What signs of narcissism do you see here? That term is entirely overused. Is she a vapid TikTok basic bish who annoyingly documents her basic ass dates? Yes. Does that make her a narcissist! Not necessarily. Nothing in the video suggests she is playing with them. She just went on two first dates. If she likes them, she’ll continue to see them. What’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 02:39 PM
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You’re all over the place. Ranting about gold diggers who gasp at balenciaga…. Do you think a broke 23 year old asking you to pay her phone bill is somehow different?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:04 PM
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Let me guess. Hair did nails did?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 10:32 PM
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If you’re gonna be classist get your grammar correct smh. Strong work ethic but begging dudes to pay her phone bill? Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:55 PM
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That’s sad. It’s sad that you don’t have any quality women around you. They do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:33 PM
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Not true. I have only ever dated one man I wasn’t physically attracted to. I’ve wanted to hop on top of the guy im seeing now since the first time I met him. But I waited to feel out who he is as a person first. You don’t think the “single mom to Pookie” (btw what a classist, racist stereotype that is… 🚩) has other bad decisions besides whom she slept with? 95% of women don’t pass your character test? You might need to stop hanging around scamming ass girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:30 PM
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This is new information. You were talking all that MGTOW warm hole shit in your comments, and now you’re talking about taking women on dates. You sound confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:09 PM
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As a woman I can shut down my desire to have sex with a man before vetting his character. We don’t get blue balls, so we can use our brains more in selecting men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:08 PM
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Thank god I’m not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:44 PM
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I’m very selective with sexual partners so I get to know them first. If I don’t like someone as a person, why would I share my most intimate experience with them? Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:19 PM
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Let me elaborate. I’ve always been attractive. When I was 15, the star athlete wanted me. He ended up playing in the superbowl. I rejected him because he came at me like “psssssst” and I said “I’m not a dog.” 19, I had a 40 year old man pulling out a knot roll tryna holler and I said “I’m good.” 38 and newly widowed, I had a 25 year old with a 6 pack blowing up my phone. I said “nah. You know what they all had in common? They only valued my looks. You know what the men I have entertained had in …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:45 AM
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It’s cool. I’ve healed from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:37 AM
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I am hot, and I would never.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:36 AM
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I’m not here to change your mind. Clearly I’m just trolling you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:18 AM
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17 years. Death did us part. Coulda been remarried a few times since, chose not to go that route.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:17 AM
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You ignored the red flags because you only care about looks. And there you have it. I know girls who are beautiful, literally head turning “damn did you see her???” out loud kind of beautiful. They have substance, intelligence, character. The kind of men whom they attract and are attracted to recognize that substance. I know you’re not going to change your mind due to anything I have to say. That’s a choice you’re going to have to make on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:00 AM
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Not even a little bit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:56 AM
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She won’t want you. Women with self worth don’t go for men who see them as warm holes. Sounds like we have about the same life, except mine is full of love. I promise you it’s better on this side.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:41 AM
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Ok cool hope it works out for you. I guess the upside is that scammers can get their phone bill paid and not have to give up any pussy to a guy who sees them only as an attractive warm hole 🤷🏾‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:32 AM
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“I’m entitled to my preference that women be mute servile sex dolls because I have money” Like I said, how’s that working out for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:25 AM
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“I just want young hot girls to fuck me and go home and not expect to talk to me or build any kind of connection, just to serve my alpha needs because I’m entitled to it because I have money.” How’s that working for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 12:02 AM
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Court enforced child support isn’t a legal tie to the mother? The minute she has a baby by you she can subpoena your DNA to establish paternity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 03:44 PM
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Still weird and gross. At 25 you’ve hopefully lived on your own as a full grown adult with a job for 3 years. A high schooler is not your peer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:48 PM
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If you’ve gone to college or the military and are 25 chasing the 18 year old you knew when you were 15 and she was 8, that’s creepy AF. You have all this life experience and she just learned how to drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:31 PM
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You looked up to him. It was not an equal friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:14 PM
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Nah that’s a babysitter. Sure there’s a “pack” but the 16 year old doesn’t have the same relationship with a 9 year old that they do with another 16 year old, come on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 01:07 PM
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How would they have friendships when one would have been a senior when the other was in 5th grade?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 12:24 PM
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This is a stupid argument unless you’re going to be child free. The minute a kid pops out and y’all sign the birth certificate, you are legally bound to that child and the government is all in your business.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/23 11:32 AM
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I love men. I have a strong disdain (and at the same time a bit of pity) for manospherians. TRP, PPD, and the Black manosphere have just laid out the red flags to recognize so I can keep them far out of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 09:56 PM
1

Just going off your own statements, dear. It’s not an assumption, it’s inductive reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 08:54 PM
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You know what? I’m going to be a bit more gracious. I hope you find happiness. Maybe start by seeing women as people and moving accordingly. Take care
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:00 AM
1

That’s universal. Nobody expects anyone to date someone they aren’t attracted to. The problem with you is that you didn’t look past looks to “scammer scallywag” and you got played. And it will keep happening to you until you start to look at a woman’s other characteristics beyond the superficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 01:45 AM
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The girl getting approached looks pretty intoxicated. All my friends are attractive but we look out for each other and will check in visually like “you cool or you need an out?”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 01:03 AM
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It really doesn’t matter as long as he reaches a minimum threshold that means we can enjoy the same basic things without any awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 08:12 PM
1

It’s the risk you take when vet women for nothing other than what they look like 🤷🏾‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 07:21 PM
1

A warning? Ok. Sir I’m a grown woman. If I choose to sleep with this man it’s because it will be mutually beneficial. You got scammed by a 22 year old and you’re “warning me” about being an easy mark lol. You think you’re the first dude she’s gotten to cashapp her in exchange for an empty promise? At least you learned your lesson though. Like I said, looks are the entry point, but there’s gotta be some substance. For the price of a phone bill you could get a prostitute that will actually give yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 11:42 AM
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Lol you wish. I was 180 when I was 8 months pregnant. You’re begging for sex because you paid some broke girls phone bill. I’m going on dinner dates and talking about SVB. We are not in the same dating pool. You want me to be an easy mark because it would make you feel better about yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 03:25 AM
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Ok Kevin Samuels lol. I don’t do number ratings. But I’m an attractive middle aged lady. Low key MILFish. I’m pretty fit and have a pretty smile and a bit of an exotic ethnic look. I dress well, if generally pretty modestly, but I have a good bit of sex appeal, because I’m on the taller side with a nice shape, and I carry myself with grace and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:28 PM
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I know that was your intention, but it just points out how like other heinous people AT is. And it was funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:48 PM
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Hahahaaha I’m not sure if there supposed to be a gotcha but it’s perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 06:38 PM
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It’s quite important, yes. Initially, it’s the most important. Maybe not as important as for women (see the “is a 5 with a PhD still a 5”). Especially in online dating. But for women, it’s fluid. In the wild, charisma goes a long way. Everyone has a floor for attractiveness, men and women, but a lot of women will go down on looks for someone who’s very charming, funny, cool, etc. So you might as well maximize your own personal physical attractiveness while you develop other qualities that women …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 04:21 PM
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Then they’re in as dire need of intense psychiatric care as the men. In any case, it’s far more likely that the girls who went on video saying it was a game were coerced into doing so, given the other facts of the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 03:04 PM
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Be as hot as you can, yes. Physical attraction is one important attribute in mate selection. But it’s not the only one, and it’s just the entry price. Most men make themselves more attractive by being fit and well groomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:56 PM
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You know who else had status, lifestyle, and persuasiveness? Hitler.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:56 PM
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What if I told you that common sense like “work hard, take care of your body, stop whining” could be found without the steaming stinking side dish of misogynist bullshit? Like if I’m like “the kill all men type feminists do have a great point about so and so, so I agree with that part.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 12:36 PM
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You would have to change your entire mentality, and from your other replies, that would take years of deprogramming. I have a hard “no manospherian” policy. You defend Andrew Tate even though any man who gets sexual gratification from “pretending” to beat and humiliate women is a sick MF. But I’ll tell you about the guy I’m dating right now. I met him out, and he was attractive, well dressed. He approached me in a confident way, but allowed me to reciprocate flirting before going further. When w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 11:32 AM
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That’s just a prostitute. All you need for that is some money. What’s the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:37 AM
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What makes you qualified for beautiful women to sleep with you? What do you have to offer them? The amazing thing about the modern era (for women) is that fewer women have to depend on men for basic societal existence, so we don’t have to sleep with otherwise undeserving men. The entitlement is wild. Nobody owes you pussy. Beautiful women will sleep with you if they like you. That means if they are attracted to the overall package, adjusting for what is important to them. Want a gold digger? Mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 10:27 AM
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Someone who is an extraordinary person, who is also good to me. I only ask him because he thinks that being someone’s partner is a full time job and one can’t be an excellent partner to someone if she works outside the home, which I think is ridiculous. He says his partner devotes 100% of her energy to doing things that are quite ordinary. Who can’t bake or find out where the best tuna in the city is? Who can’t be attuned to their partners emotions or stay in shape just because they have a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 06:26 PM
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You still haven’t said anything that makes her an extraordinary partner. Let’s say this - you suddenly make enough passive income that you don’t need to have a career anymore and can now be an “excellent partner.” What are you doing differently? What are you improving at that takes you to “excellent partner” status that you couldn’t manage while working?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:42 PM
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None of this would be difficult for a half intelligent mother with a career. It’s sounds like you took a loser (“a mess, couldn’t even control her own energy and social life, had more issues than I care to count”) and played pygmalion to groom her into… an average competent woman in a relationship. I’m not at all convinced this is impressive or takes the amount of mental load that one can’t have any other purpose in life but to be your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 03:00 PM
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You said a lot of words and nothing at all. What concrete improvements has your partner made in her sole job of being your partner over 9 years of dedicating herself exclusively to that task?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:39 PM
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What responsibilities do you expect in a relationship that take up so much time and brain space it has to be a woman’s only task?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:11 PM
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What if she has a lesbian or bisexual female friend? What about a gay male friend? What about a non-binary friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:59 AM
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I kept waiting for the punchline
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 01:48 AM
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If the friendship predates our relationship, no problem. But she’s going to be our friend now. I don’t mind if they go out and grab a drink or dinner sometimes if she’s in town, but it’s not going to be a text all day call in the middle of the night kind of friendship if you’re my partner. And she can’t be shady to me. And you have to be the kind of man who has platonic female friends. As a single woman, I actively seek to befriend my platonic male friends’ spouses - sometimes I will even just m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 11:14 PM
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Lol you look more and more sexist and insecure every time you comment. Like I said… respectable men get respect. If western women don’t respect you, it’s because you are not respectable to them. Married working women spend an average of 3 hours a day on housework. You’re just making things up. What about having a penis makes you exempt from doing basic adult tasks? What about having a uterus makes housework a “feminine task?” Lol if a man can take your woman it’s because you don’t have what it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:26 PM
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And that’s the thing. You can’t buy respect. Maybe you can’t find western girls who respect you because they don’t find anything respectable about you. So you have to go somewhere where ‘respect’ can be bought, whereas plenty of respectable men in the US get women to respect and be loyal to them, regardless of how much money they make. How do these marriages last over 20 years without respect? In any case, you can respect someone without being controlled by them. “If I tell her to delete her ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:37 PM
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No, by definition you are not “high value”. You are high net worth. If you’re as rich and red pilled as you say, you should have no problem pulling a hot western gold digger who pretends like she respects you enough to be submissive. Seeking arrangements is full of highly attractive women who would jump at the opportunity to date a man with as high a net worth as you claim. Something’s not adding up. You’re not as attractive as you think, or your personality is so repellent that it’s not worth i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:22 PM
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If you only attract “7.5s” maybe that’s where you fall in the social hierarchy. Maybe girls care about more than money and “above average looks.” The women you wanted wanted something from someone that wasn’t you, and it wasn’t money, unless it was just… more money. Which is, like I said, just proof that you were overestimating your “market value.” So you had to go somewhere where it’s artificially inflated. That’s not a flex. More than likely, if your social circle was rich girls, they didn’t c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 01:09 PM
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What does “amazing” mean to you? By your own logic: clearly you’re not rich enough, because if you were, you could get a hot western girl to wash your feet with her hair. Since you aren’t high value enough to get that treatment here, you’ve fucked off to Thailand where you can buy the treatment you want at a discount. You’re like A***** T*** trying to get corruptocracy at a discount. If you truly felt like a king in your own soul, you wouldn’t need the external validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 12:47 PM
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A feminist is perfectly capable of treating a man well. Hence the 20+ year long marriages of educated women. Treating someone well does not mean submitting your entire will to them. 90% of college educated women marry by age 46. I thought feelings over facts was a feminine attribute? Tell me, what it is about submission that strokes your ego if it’s not insecurity? Why do you need to dominate a woman to feel loved and respected?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 12:18 PM
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The divorce rate for high earning college educated women is 20%. 80% of high earning college women will be married more than 20 years. You don’t have to be a “feminist boss babe” to have a fulfilling career. Men like you need a submissive waifu because something is lacking in your own self esteem that makes you need to lord over someone. Secure, confident high earners happily marry accomplished women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:42 AM
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Sexism
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 11:39 AM
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I’m having trouble differentiating between “a woman” as a general concept and “all women.” Seems to me either is going to be followed by pretty broad and unfair statement. We can agree to disagree though. You were leaning pretty manosphere today. But to your credit you didn’t get emotional and try to insult me within 2 comments so good on you, maybe you’re not as manospherian as you seem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 03:22 AM
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Ah, so speaking generally, but not painting women with a broad brush. Do you see the contradiction? All women “sometimes” is still a generalization that isn’t really fair. I’d cut you some slack but my kink is trolling manospherians on Reddit 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 11:20 PM
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Can you assume that every adult knows how tall he or she is? Because, say, they’ve been to the doctor at least once since adolescence? You’re reaching here. Even if I hadn’t told him explicitly, you don’t find it strange that someone would try to convince you about a fact about yourself? You think that could be accidental? Come on now. Your exact words “when a woman doesn’t like negative feedback she calls it shaming.” Oh let me guess, you were talking about a particular woman you know and evalu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 10:00 PM
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You weren’t lacking any information. Nobody in their right mind tries to convince someone of a fact they know not to be true by making the other person doubt a known fact ( I stated that in the original story). The only way he could maintain the lie that he was 5’8 was to gaslight me. Nobody does that accidentally bro come on. You’re talking case by case now but your initial point was all about AWALT. Keep the same energy. Sure it’s overused. But you made it seem like the overuse is universal, j…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:44 PM
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If you count marriage propositions… all of them I’ve given the chance. I date very, very selectively. I have that luxury because I already had a great love, had kids, and I’m financially independent. Sorry I’m not the type to get pumped and dumped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 09:24 PM
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The essence of gaslighting, and what makes it different from garden variety disagreeing or lying, is that the perpetrator is aware of the actual truth and uses psychological manipulation to make the other person doubt their own perception of reality. So if you don’t have a good working definition of gaslighting, why are you so quick to assume the women around you are using the term incorrectly? Do you even know what emotional abuse entails? Or do you think because a guy is not like “you fat cunt…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 08:38 PM
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What motivation would one have to literally and actually try to make someone doubt reality? If it helps to understand the situation, when he asked me my height (first), I told him “I’m 5’8.5, measured sonically at a museum.” So to be very clear, he knew I knew how tall I am. He initially lied about his height by 2 inches. Then he tried to make up those 2 inches not by being like “oh I lied actually” but by trying to convince me that what I know as a fact is not actually a fact. I’m confused at h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 08:20 PM
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See what you did there? It reveals a lot about your manospherian way of thinking. I gave you a clear, textbook example of gaslighting and your first move was to minimize it and assign a clear red flag (and trust me, that was the tip of the iceberg) a veneer of innocence justified by insecurity. “You’re taller than I thought” or “damn I feel short” is insecurity. “You’re not the height you know yourself to be” is classic gaslighting. On what evidence would you say that insidiously trying to make …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 08:08 PM
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Enh…. Most of us are clinicians.. we don’t throw those terms around. We reserve them for the real deal. This has nothing to do with “negative feedback = shaming” Wanna hear a funny story of actual gaslighting? Just so you’re aware women are capable of knowing the definition and using it correctly. Once I decided to give a guy outside my preferences a chance. He said he was 5’8. I’m 5’8.5 (measured at the doctor and also by sonar at a science museum), but I round up to 5’9 for simplicity. I’ve al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:40 PM
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You adjust your parameters, sure, but realistically I’m not going to adjust my dating pool to encompass men making 0 dollars or 40 million dollars. Nor will I likely ever date a White man. People’s standards may relax some over time, but they don’t drastically change. Like I said, in reality, your social circle is a much bigger determinant of your dating pool than comparing your preference to “all Americans.” According to the calculator there are 100 women like me in America, lol. Of course attr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 07:26 PM
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How very manospherian of you to say 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:56 PM
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Negative feedback is different from shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:44 PM
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What I’m saying is that, due to the fact that we as humans tend to assort, the denominator is never going to be “all Americans.” If I only ever socialize with Black people who make >100k, it doesn’t matter that they only represent 0.x% of the total American population, because that is not my dating pool. So even though the calculator says only .11% of the population meets my criteria, upwards of 30% of men I’m around meet my criteria. The math principle here is x/100 > x/1,000,000. It also doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:43 PM
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No need to shame, just let people experience the natural consequences of their actions. Shaming just makes people defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:13 PM
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IMO it’s a tool to shame women for their preferences. Look at the difference in titles. Realitycalc vs igotstandardsbro
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:00 PM
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I can see how that might… give someone hope? But in reality attraction is a two way street. If you are not your type’s type, it doesn’t really matter how many more of them there are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:44 PM
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Social media just increases your chances of meeting someone who meets your criteria. In real life, you aren’t exposed to the number of people the calculator uses to generate these numbers. In real life, one socializes generally within a smaller group of people like oneself. So the probability of meeting someone who fits your criteria is increased by proximity. So, for example, I only date Black men. But I also socialize in spaces that are 90% Black. So the denominator is much much smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:30 PM
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The problem is that in real life, you aren’t socially in the same circle as 100% of the population. For example, I’m at 0.11% in the female delusion calculator, but my social circle is 30% men who meet my criteria, more if I let go of my height preference. I happen to also be their preference, apparently. So if I go socialize, I can throw a rock and find someone who meets my criteria and take it from there. Because the men I like congregate in the same social echelon. Make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:10 PM
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When’s the last time you saw a 5’4 male model? Height is valued differently between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 08:36 PM
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Do you think this woman actually represents intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:46 PM
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Unless you flaunt your cash to attract gold diggers, the level of attractiveness you are going to attract is generally not too widely varied. So most men aren’t going to find themselves in a situation where someone “in their league” who makes a lot less is going to be much more attractive than someone who makes more.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 03:35 PM
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Many of the housewives are these types. Or former career girls who now stay home or can pull 100k working part time. All things being equal, a high earning man is going to choose a beautiful woman of his socioeconomic status over a beautiful high school dropout. It’s also because he’s surrounded by women in his social circle, and that’s what he chooses from. I swear people think that smart, accomplished women can’t also be beautiful, when that’s not the case. Women understand that looks attract …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 02:20 PM
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Nobody watches their day shows, and their day shows are apparently about things like finances (although from what I hear they promote crypto scams). Show me where they are debating with a lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:41 PM
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You must not know any lawyers. Professional dignity is huge. Even being on a panel with OF girls would be suspect. Professionals rightfully have high standards for men, and they are overwhelmingly able to marry men at their socioeconomic level. Anyone who thinks high earning men won’t marry a high earning woman in her 30s is delusional. Assortative mating is the way it goes in actual real life. Fresh and fit are spinning a narrative that doesn’t actually exist in the real world of professionals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:24 PM
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Not all degrees are equivalent. Degrees aren’t that hard to come by, depending on the institution. And the show self selects for attention seekers with no professional reputation to protect. Any female attorney would tear Myron to pieces, but do you think a single one would stoop to going on the show?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 01:15 PM
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They are not concerned about an actual respectable reputation or they wouldn’t be coming on the show. Most of the professional women I know haven’t even heard of fresh and fit, their instagrams are private, and they… would never ever disrespect themselves by going on this show. It self selects for not so bright attention seekers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:05 PM
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Funny how career women overwhelmingly marry their equals and the divorce rate among them is half or less the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 12:01 PM
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What professional or academic is going to risk her professional reputation to be seen on this show? No one on that level is stepping near this stage. It’s so far beneath them, it would do more harm than good. But they would run circles around the hosts arguments. Myron’s forehead vein would actually explode. These dorks need low rent women they can “intellectually” bully.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:47 AM
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Or just make up entirely…. Your whole persona screams LARP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 11:38 AM
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Spot on. Also it’s hilarious that they’re like “don’t spend a dime on these hoes” but have seeking arrangements profiles. Nobody is fucking them for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:47 PM
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I think anyone who says things like a high earning man would prefer an only fans model to a woman of his social standings doesn’t know any high earning men and is just projecting his own unobtainable desires for attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 11:28 PM
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If a transgender persons identity can be explained by a brain that resembles the opposite sex, how is gender an entirely social construct? Especially given that these parts of the brain do not give them the sexual characteristics of the opposite sex? Isn’t that to say that to “feel like” you are the opposite gender is rooted in some biology? I’m thinking of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 07:06 PM
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What’s interesting with this is at the same time that the trans community is citing studies that their brains are biologically like the other sex, the feminist community is citing studies that these differences are actually minimal. It would seem the studies that support transgender people as being biologically in the wrong body with respect to their brains would also dispute the concept that gender is entirely socially constructed. I’ve always wondered about that. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:32 PM
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You don’t have to put woman in quotes, because that’s her gender identity.. Her biological sex is a fact of nature, but her gender is constructed. The reality is that your gender identity can be congruent with your biological sex or not, but if you don’t face distress with any incongruence, it’s not considered a mental disorder. What issues is that going to cause for anyone but who wants to have sex with her and herself?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:33 PM
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are you sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 10:01 PM
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Gender dysphoria: A concept designated in the DSM-5-TR as clinically significant distress or impairment related to gender incongruence, which may include desire to change primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. Not all transgender or gender diverse people experience gender dysphoria. source
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:27 PM
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Precisely. I didn’t make that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 09:09 PM
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The dysphoria is considered a disorder, not the gender identity itself. So if a woman has a penis and is cool with her gender identity and her body, it’s not considered a disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:58 AM
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Like honor killings?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 11:54 AM
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I think it’s up to a couple to define how they want to divide labor. A man “providing” for a woman is exchanging financial value for domestic value. So if a woman decides that she wants to do that, more power to her. Same with a man. That doesn’t make the financial provider “better than” the domestic provider. They are complementary roles. Now if a man provides financially and expects in exchange submission and complete obedience just because he’s “the provider,” that’s sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 03:39 PM
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Exactly. The “traditional concept of hypergamy,” much like a lot of the red pill, is sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:09 PM
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I want someone “on my level,” adjusted for male dimorphic characteristics. So a man in my height and fitness percentile is taller and stronger than me, by default. I think men are hypergamous too, you just don’t know that you value the things you want a superior in. You want a woman who’s more beautiful than you, more nurturing, more flexible, a better cook, better at domestic duties, etc. In an ideal relationship both people are “better” than the other in complementary ways. Edit to add my pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 12:09 PM
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So then the same thing goes for men. “It’s just your turn” relates to every person who didn’t marry as a virgin and leave the earth as a celibate widow. Why is that posited as relating only to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 03:40 PM
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I bet getting dumped had everything to do with your attitude towards and treatment of “bitches.” A little self awareness could go a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 03:13 PM
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I responded to your first point :). I’ll edit it to respond to your questions so we can keep the discussion tidy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:29 PM
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Well, I didn’t fuck him yet, because he’s still earning that, although he’s almost there. His whole approach was very genuinely masculine, not the play acting of manospherians. I’ve had the misfortune of dating one of those, and I took notes. Manospherians are working from a script, and naturals are just working from themselves. It’s like how you can always tell a boob job. Or fake pearls. They’re just never going to be the same as men who are naturally attractive and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 02:16 PM
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Those Venn diagram circles overlap so much it’s essentially the same thing. Incels turn to the manosphere and red pill because they can’t naturally attract women. The incel mentality remains even if they can trick some poor girl into fucking them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 01:51 PM
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Like I said, I’ll give you 100 dollars if it’s a hamartoma.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 06:19 PM
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The doctors report says the cxr was followed up by an MRI shown to be benign at that time and needing a repeat CXR on the date of service. They mention nothing about a biopsy being recommended initially. Unless the doctor is completely misreporting the clinical course, it is very unlikely that Tate was told to get a biopsy on the initial work up. At this point let’s just stop arguing and put money on it. If he is diagnosed with a hamartoma I’ll give you a hundred bucks. If it turns out to be can…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:54 PM
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Even if it screams hamartoma, nobody is going to leave a >3cm mass to be followed up in 6 months. You yourself said an abnormality was found in March 2022. There’s a difference between knowing you had imaging done and knowing the actual results of that imaging. If it was >3 cm at that point, it would have been worked up with more than “follow up CT in 6 months.” You don’t just assume a >3 cm mass is benign. If it were >3 cm at initial evaluation it would have been worked up at that time. So it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:41 PM
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The doctors report says “he was seen 9 months ago, had a suspicious CT, likely benign, follow up in 6 months.” Then at the follow up ct it is decidedly suspicious. You can’t force someone not to travel. Especially concerning is the initial “likely benign, follow up” imaging to “suspicious, needs work up.” progression. I can’t imagine a clinical situation in which a 4 cm mass would be present initially and anyone would say “follow up imaging in 6 months” Follow up imaging in 6 months is for tumor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:14 PM
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The entire diagnostic course is suspicious. From “needs 6 months follow up” to the next scan saying “needs urgent biopsy, PET scan” is a sign that things are progressing in a way that is not benign. You’re arguing semantics and not the clinical picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:42 PM
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It wasn’t an FNA, it was a bronchial aspirate. Which I noted has terrible sensitivity for lung cancer. Radiology reports always include a differential. And in this case, he said that differential includes hamartoma but there’s a lot more to the picture that looks suspicious. At 4.4 cm, it’s no longer a nodule. “Urgent” is the word used by the physician. Urgent is not emergent. The mass wasn’t causing any compression that would merit emergent evaluation. Why would you take the word of a nonmedica…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:12 PM
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Edit doesn’t sound like FNA sounds like bronchial lavage and the sensitivity for that is dismal an armchair pathologist weighs in Tissue biopsy still hadn’t been done as of January 2023. What I read was that when the first scan was done, a follow up scan was the recommendation, not a biopsy. It says he was scheduled to have an urgent PET scan, ct guided biopsy, and bronchoscopy done. I’ve never seen that level of testing for a “likely benign” lesion. Anyway, armchair diagnosis is pretty futile. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:09 PM
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So I went back to the source. Looks like he had the mass, then was recommended interval follow up, had the follow up, and is now being recommended biopsy. That’s not a benign course. Also, fatigue and polyuria and polydipsia can be a symptom of a paraneoplastic syndrome source What you posted out of context is that Tate himself said the lesion was the same side as before, Tate “my hair is all mine” is not a reliable narrator. The satellite lesions etc are the basis for the further testing. “Make…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 01:20 PM
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Ah, i didn’t have that information.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 09:43 AM
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From your source “Most are smaller than 4 cm in diameter”. “Because of other factors” is key here. But the source I posted said that 86% of masses larger than 2 cm were malignant. Anyway, agree to disagree, neither of us has the biopsy report.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:58 AM
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Very early in the article: “Because lesions larger than 3 cm are almost always malignant…” Why’d you ignore the multilobulated contour that’s highly suspicious? Are hamartomas generally associated with satellite lesions? Also the first paper is about PET scans, which we have not seen. Another paper: “lesions smaller than 2 cm were likely to be benign, while of lesions larger than 2 cm, only 14% were benign” source
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 04:34 AM
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Aggressive benign lung tumors are exceedingly rare. Like, case report rare. And they don’t form satellite lesions, AFAIK. “More aggressive” is code for malignant. Unless you’re a radiologist, oncologist, or pulmonologist, in which case I’ll defer to your knowledge. Also, 4.4 cm when the threshold is 5 cm… edit: actually, it’s 5 mm. So actually it is an “oh shit” mass Edit: per the report, it has a multilobulated contour. Per the following article I can’t link https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:05 AM
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My interpretation is based off the radiologic findings. The family doctor likely did not interpret the image. The radiologist says “it could be a hamartoma but these specific findings make a malignancy enough of a possibility that a biopsy is needed. This is a step up from “get another scan in 6 months” which is usually protocol for absolutely not noteworthy nodules.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:36 AM
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The ct was interpreted by a radiologist. Enhancing lesions with internal calcifications, satellite lesions, and infiltration into surrounding tissue sounds pretty damn suspicious. https://www.ajronline.org/doi/full/10.2214/AJR.07.2429
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:29 AM
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This wasn’t just a nodule though. It had some suspicious architecture from what I read. It’s probably just someone he paid off for a ticket out of jail though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:07 AM
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There is an inverse relationship between how whitewashed a person of color is and how attractive their white partner is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:02 AM
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I hope I don’t sound fatphobic, but I’d say the same emotional issues that cause overeating and overweight in a lot of situations would manifest in other ways that may make formerly fat people less desirable in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 12:53 AM
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Wasn’t it the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:22 PM
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“Me, a guy who is neither superficial nor shallow, and will fuck anything with a pussy as long as she is hot and young” Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 09:15 PM
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All lives matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/23 12:16 PM
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Petition to change “short man energy” and “little dick energy” to “manosphere energy.” Same connotation, no body shaming. Actually you don’t have to sign my petition I’m just making it a thing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/23 04:09 AM
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Sounds normal and well adjusted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 04:30 PM
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Yep! It’s protective. Disgust is a strong protector - we shrink from the smell of poop and rotting things because they will make us sick. We get the ick because the people who give it to us will be bad for us. I bet if someone studied it enough they would find that ick signals come from the lower brain and not the frontal cortex.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 08:29 PM
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I have a theory, based on the last time I developed the ick. The ick is a fail safe for when you are plowing past what your intuition is telling you is wrong. It may be unconscious, your brain and heart may be ignoring what your gut knows, and then… your vag will say YOU CANNOT DO THIS. And you will become viscerally disgusted by someone and then, only then will you listen to yourself. I literally went from thinking I liked someone to not even being able to stomach his smell. Given how primal sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:15 PM
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Agreed though, it’s nice to be able to disagree civilly. But now I have to get ready for a party 💃🏾 so have a good one!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:59 AM
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It’s abusive, controlling behavior and a red flag for escalating abuse. Is it serious abuse? No, but if she sticks around it’s pretty much a one way street. Domestic violence is about wresting more and more control from someone and wielding more and more power over them. In this case, if she stays in this relationship, she’ll remember that “it started out as him ordering me to limit my social media.” That’s why punching a wall next to someone’s head is considered abuse even though the victim isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:58 AM
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So… if every authority on domestic violence uses the power and control wheel to define domestic violence, and on that wheel is the behavior “controlling who she talks to” and this man is literally controlling who she talks to… that’s not domestic violence? If you have a problem with how domestic violence is defined, take it up with thehotline.org or literally every expert on domestic violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:55 AM
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See my other comment to you. What you’re saying is akin to saying “he just slapped her with an open hand. He didn’t slit her throat.” Abuse is abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:48 AM
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Healthy boundary: “I’m uncomfortable with this behavior. I’m asking you to change it.” Then if the person doesn’t change, you change your behavior. Controlling behavior: “I’m uncomfortable with this behavior. I’m telling you to change it. Now I’m going to enforce the behavior change by demanding access to your private account.” He’s only shown you one aspect of his controlling behavior, so you can’t say he doesn’t display others. She’s been his girlfriend for a month and he’s already displaying …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:45 AM
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See using isolation His behavior is literally in the textbook definition of abuse. The power and control wheel is widely recognized by experts in the field of domestic violence as defining abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 03:03 AM
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Oh you’re one of those. There’s a difference between “not wanting his GF to talk to other men” and demanding that she doesn’t, demanding she limit her social media use, and demanding access to her private communications. Like I pointed out in the actual, literal definition of domestic violence… this is abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 01:21 AM
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In the literal definition of abuse. See “uses isolation” “Controlling… who she sees or talks to”
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/23 12:58 AM
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Here it is. “I want to groom her”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:17 PM
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Normal behavior “this makes me uncomfortable, so I’ll ask you to stop, respect your autonomy, and change my behavior if I can’t accept yours” ie leave. Controlling, abusive behavior: “this makes me uncomfortable, so I’m going to invade your privacy and make demands about your use of the internet.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:13 PM
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Abuse is about power and control. You are absolutely being abusive by being this controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 11:10 PM
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Sex is pretty sacred to me and not just a physical act of pleasure and connection. I don’t want to share that with more than one person at a time, nor do I want a partner who doesn’t feel the same. It’s not a religious thing for me. It’s a biological thing. Something that has the potential to bring a baby into the world, to me, deserves exclusivity. Also, I like my pH balance and community dick would fuck that right up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 08:07 PM
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Doctors get the same training in regards to breast and genital exams. And we are talking about professional massages, not “massages” given by prostitutes in disguised brothels. I’m curious why you can’t see the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:55 AM
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Is fingering? Now is that the same thing as a pelvic exam?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:49 AM
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Is relaxation by definition a sexual experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:28 AM
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Plenty of doctors abuse patients. Nurse practioners and PAs have far less training than doctors. Would you expect them to be more likely to sexually abuse patients during a gynecological exam? That’s an enormous reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:14 AM
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It really isn’t slim, considering how influential Kevin samuels was a few years ago. If I said “D.A.R.E. To keep kids off… weed” would you get the reference? What about “ask not what Reddit can do for you, but what you can do for Reddit?” Would you think that specific combination of words was random?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 02:25 AM
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We could argue semantics all night but the point is that, whomever you ascribe his terminology to, his profile is a huge red flag and turnoff to women who are aware of the manosphere. If I were into online dating I’d be happy that he weeded himself out of the pile so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 02:22 AM
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So given that we are familiar with him, and we recognize his catchphrases, we recognized when one was thinly veiled and put in a dating profile. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 12:18 AM
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Nah, agreeable is a code word for submissive. Red pillers bastardized actual words to fit their agenda. For example, in Samuelsese, “cooperation” means “women cooperate with men but men do not cooperate with women.” Which is absurd, but typical of people who think like him. Agreeable is not “Harvardese” (see my username, I’m quite familiar)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 12:17 AM
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Ok you get a pass. Literally every Black person I know knows who he was and has an opinion about him. He was in/famous among Black Millennials. His videos went viral all the time. So if you heard him spouting off about fit feminine and friendly so much, why would you think this was random and not a nod to that school of thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 11:39 PM
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While we are talking statistics though, what’s the probability that another commenter would notice the exact same phrasing and comment that it was Kevin Samuels parlance? https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/10vousz/what_does_agreeable_mean_to_you/j7j52mb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Honestly. Say another 3 “random words” and see if two people ascribe it to the same “obscure YouTuber.” Like another poster said, if someone mentioned “scrote” in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 11:13 PM
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He’s not obscure in the Black community. Like not even a little bit. Even you’ve heard of him, and you’re not Black. I imagine you haven’t suffered through his streams to know how often he uses that combination of traits to describe ideal women. You’re reaching so hard right now. Just take the L. Deducing that a conservative who lives in central Harlem is more likely Black, and that using the Kevin Samuels line means he likely is a fan, is not at all racist. Assuming that there is an infinitesim…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 11:08 PM
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Bro. Fit, feminine friendly. That’s Kevin Samuels’ literal tagline. Do you really in your heart of hearts believe that his man just randomly posted such a similar statement? Thinking that a Black guy who uses a Kevin Samuels tagline is probably a Kevin Samuels acolyte is not racist. Cute little DARVO there lolllll bye
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 10:45 PM
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Lol it’s because I’m unlikely to be wrong here. Use your big brain. What’s more likely, that a Black man went to Harvard and is conservative, or a White conservative lives in central Harlem? You’re sounding a little accidental racist here. I’m pretending he’s Black? Because it’s so inconceivable that a Black guy is Ivy League and conservative? You’re assuming he’s not, when all manner of contextual clues point to the fact that he is. Anyway that was enough info for me to find him on the internet…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 09:38 PM
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It’s more of a reach to try to deny the obvious dog whistle. It seems you might not be familiar with Black culture. Kevin Samuels, for better or worse, was a staple of the cultural conversation, regardless of subscriber count. I can almost guarantee you that a “spiritual Harvard educated man in central Harlem” on hinge is Black. As to your last paragraph… what’s sadder is you trying to deny the obvious and resorting to personal attacks because your point is trash. But carry on
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:45 PM
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Occam’s razor says “fit feminine and agreeable” sounds close enough to Kevin Samuels “fit feminine and friendly” trope to assume he’s a manospherian and run far far away. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 04:07 PM
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Yes. Please enlighten me. Show me one argument that doesn’t show insecurity or controlling behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:34 AM
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Do you feel that way about paying for the gynecologist? How about the primary care doctor doing her breast exams, feeling all on her titties like that 😤
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:13 AM
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Is that SIGN language? I thought that was a feminine behavior
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:56 PM
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Sure it was. And yes I do but I find the “this you” entertaining “Nah, she's well past the wall, and her mind and body has been devastated by the trauma of childbirth and the never ending nightmare of motherhood. I'm not worried.” Yeah sounds like you adore and cherish her I thought getting emotional and blocking people was a feminine trait 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:52 PM
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I think you misunderstood my comment. I was explaining my definition of a dog whistle by providing another example of a dog whistle. I’m assuming (based on location and proximity to Kevin Samuels’ rhetoric) the profile is of a Black male earning >100k. It’s more of a hypothesis than an assumption, if you will. The “fit feminine friendly (ie agreeable” trope is directly out of the Kevin Samuels playbook. As to the rest of your comment… The term dog whistle is simply to describe this man’s thinly …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 07:15 PM
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I say dog whistle as in “I say ‘woke’ when I mean Black so other racists can recognize me.” This man uses a variation of KS “3Fs” to let women know he’s a “high value man” who is going to “exercise options” and who expects a woman to “get on his program.” There is a minority of women who will want that life, and he’s calling for them with his phrasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:43 PM
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“Who gives a shit what she craves, nobody will have her, and she can't do better. This is the power of leverage.” You said this about your wife but my assumption is lazy? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:35 PM
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Enh, if you hadn’t deleted all your comments (which, as I recall, were “profoundly” sexist and right in line with having drunk the KS koolaid) I’d pull up receipts to show my assumption was correct. You’re pulling the purple card because you want to look reasonable now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 03:32 PM
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I wouldn’t be in a relationship with a man who doesn’t bathe, but I wouldn’t put “looking for a man who bathes” in a dating profile. “Fit feminine and agreeable” is a dog whistle, although it really just does a nice job of saying “I’m a walking red flag, swipe right for a miserable time”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:26 PM
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No no no! He’s a High Value Man™️ which means that any day now, hundreds of 20 year old virgin models will be running to “wash his feet with their hair” (a quote from the High Value Messiah himself, Kevin Samuels)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 12:27 PM
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You were a big commenter in the Kevin Samuels sub, so I’ll say you’re being disingenuous here. To Kevin Samuels, cooperation was not a two way street. Direct quote “women are supposed to cooperate with men, not the other way around!” He also advocated for women “getting on a man’s program.” So in this context, it absolutely doesn’t “depend” and you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 11:48 AM
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Ah yes, the monolith that is women. Gotta love em
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:35 AM
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In this context it means “I took the Kevin Samuels pill” 🤮
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 02:32 AM
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Nah she’s right. This is only sexual because you are making it so, and that’s gross for the therapist who literally just wants to perform a clinical service and get paid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:25 PM
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… relaxing. Peaceful. Serene. No sex involved. She’s not your girlfriend, she’s a professional. It’s only sexual if both parties are into it sexually. You being into it sexually as a client makes it creepy. Picture this. The hot rich guy gently spreads my legs, lubes up his big plastic speculum, and gingerly inserts it into my moist love tunnel. He murmurs, “is this comfortable?” That’s what you sound like trying to sexualize a massage bro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:24 PM
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What does sensual mean to you? You’re sexualizing therapeutic touch. The face is an intimate area - you wouldn’t let a stranger stroke your face, so is it intimate or “sensual” when an aesthetician does it? A massage therapist doesn’t touch your breasts or genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 05:38 PM
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So by your logic, if pizza delivery isn’t inherently sexual, than neither is massage. I have never gotten aroused during a massage. Even when an attractive man was performing it. Because it’s not a sexual situation. I think you’re thinking of brothels and not legitimate massage parlors. And “rubdowns” not therapeutic massage. Even Swedish massage is therapeutic, not sexual. But if massages are as arousing as you say, are you going to request a man to perform yours? Or are you going to not get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 04:48 PM
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Ok Donovan Sharpe
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:21 PM
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No, it’s super fragile to think that you’re only a man if you can control a woman. It means you can’t command respect without control, which is weak. A truly strong man is respectable without being controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:21 PM
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No, you said you’re a sexist. And controlling. It’s really unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 03:02 PM
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Bruh… I can’t. Your conception of masculinity is quite fragile if you can’t be a man without controlling a woman. That sounds weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:57 PM
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Lol ok. A woman’s main purpose is gestation and procreation. Next time a woman physician saves a life, be sure to let her know that. Next time a woman attorney keeps an innocent man out of prison, let her know. Next time a woman representative writes a bill that affects millions of people, just drop her a quick line to tell her to get back in the kitchen. You’ve proven my point - a man who would decree that his woman can’t get a massage from a male therapist is sexist and controlling. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:55 PM
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Admiration and respect are completely separate from control. I know tons of women in egalitarian relationships who admire and respect their husbands, who are not controlled by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:47 PM
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So by your rationale, if you can have a sexual fantasy about it, it’s by definition sexual? So all that dirty nurse porn means nursing is sexual? A rundown feels good. A massage is sometimes uncomfortable and painful, by necessity, because it’s a therapeutic loosening of tight muscles.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:33 PM
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Your… entire country… has not a single sustainable relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:20 PM
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Explain that. Because nature made men’s genitals much more fragile and vulnerable than women. It takes a lot more brute force to make a woman infertile than a man. So by your logic… who is really the “weaker sex?”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:19 PM
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What’s the right word then? And what “type of woman” are you referring to? The kind who believes in basic adult autonomy? Gasp You’re right - I didn’t respect him. Because he was so weak that he thought trying to exert control over a woman made him more of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 02:15 PM
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Oof… sounds like you need to change your social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:41 PM
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Says whom? And why?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:40 PM
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For you, a massage is a sexual experience. Ask any licensed massage therapist whether their work is sexual in nature, and they will tell you it isn’t. But you’ve already gotten to the meat of it. You believe you have the right to be controlling in relationships, which is exactly why I dumped the dude in this scenario. You’ve proven the point that the only reason you have a problem with a male massage therapist giving your partner is a massage is because it threatens your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:39 PM
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Lol there it is. So… a woman is a child in your estimation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:30 PM
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The face is a more personal space than the back. It has many more sensory inputs. A facial is by definition a sensual experience. I think you’re mistaking sensual for sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:29 PM
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Ah, so a woman’s value is in docility. So, like I said - you can’t state a reason for your claim that’s not based in insecurity or control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:25 PM
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Just saying it’s nowhere “near impossible”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:23 PM
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A massage is certainly a clinical service. Just like a facial is - even though it takes place in a quiet, luxurious environment. Both massage therapists and aestheticians are licensed professionals. We’re not talking about brothels here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:22 PM
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How does it degrade her? Does it lower her resale value?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:20 PM
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I can define how it’s insecure - “another man is touching MY woman” is based in fear that your property is at risk of being poached, or your property degrades in value because another man touched it. Can you define how it’s disrespectful?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:14 PM
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Men and women being fundamentally different is just a fact of biology. Why do you believe that men are meant to lead, and what does that have to do with a woman getting a clinical service from a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 01:12 PM
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Lolllll I’m guessing you wouldn’t mandate that he only visit male waxers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:49 PM
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Why are you ok with having double standards? Is it because you’re sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:48 PM
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A hierarchy, huh? Expound on that. I think we’re about to get to the meat of it. I addressed your last point elsewhere, but then you made it for me. So you’re insecure because your behavior with massage therapists would be inappropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:48 PM
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Stemming from this - so if you’re in a relationship, are you not allowed to get massages? Seeing as I’m sure you’d think getting one from a man is “gay,” is getting one from a woman cheating? Are you just not allowed to get therapeutic massages when you’re in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:44 PM
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For yourself or for your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:42 PM
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So you own your girl? Ah see what you did there? You provided a reason why murder is wrong. Now do it with “why getting a massage from a licensed professional man is wrong” Seeing as you have proven capable
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:40 PM
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Lmao. Everything has a reason. You’re throwing around some big words there “disrespectful, inappropriate” - nothing is disrespectful or inappropriate for no reason. You just don’t want to admit the reasons because you know in your heart you’re going to have to admit some sense of ownership, insecurity, distrust, etc. Why is murder wrong? Because everyone has an inherent right to life that no individual is entitled to take. See how that works? Now go: why is it wrong for a licensed professional o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:36 PM
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Still dodging the question
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:30 PM
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No, what’s odd is that you can’t tell the difference between sexual and nonsexual touch. Then again, you admittedly think massages are places you go when you’re touch starved and horny, whereas any massage therapist could tell you that their work is therapeutic in the way a doctors visit is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:28 PM
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You’re not answering it because you know your answer makes you look insecure, controlling, or both. At least keep it real.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:26 PM
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Do you get aroused when the doctor gently cups your balls and asks you to cough?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:13 PM
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Break it down. You sound like a 7 year old. “Why don’t you want to eat broccoli?” “Because I don’t want to eat broccoli!” The question was “why”, and the answer is going to reveal either insecurity or controlling, and that’s I’m guessing why you keep dodging it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:13 PM
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This is such a sad take. In my professional circle, the majority of my friends have been married >10 years in egalitarian marriages. They are thriving.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:07 PM
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That’s a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:01 PM
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Lay it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 12:00 PM
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Did you get sexually aroused by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:50 AM
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Why not? I can’t think of a reason you would give that won’t reveal insecurity or controlling behavior. But you’re welcome to try
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:49 AM
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You watch too many movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:41 AM
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Note the difference between sensual and sexual. It’s a peaceful atmosphere but not a sexual one. And you don’t go to get a massage because you’re touch starved, generally (especially if you’re partnered?). You go to work out knots. It’s actually pretty painful. Like going to the dentist, it’s something you feel good about after, not necessarily during. Some pedicures take place in very sensual environments - champagne, quiet lighting and music, etc. would you call that a sexual experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/23 11:40 AM
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book recommendation
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:41 PM
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That’s your preference for your body. What you’re saying in your previous comment is that you have a preference for what your partner does with her body, which doesn’t take into account her preferences, just yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 08:59 PM
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Enh, massage is therapeutic practice. “Intimate massage” is foreplay. Both my husband and my gynecologist have had a finger in my vag and it was a very different experience. Likewise, I’ve never gotten off on a breast exam. Do you get aroused when the doctor tells you to turn your head and cough? And getting your hair washed? In a basin in a salon? Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:51 PM
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Never noticed but interesting
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:46 PM
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Being cautious is getting a gift certificate to a reputable establishment. Actual massage therapists are required to be certified/ licensed. At the point of professional licensure, gender becomes moot. It came up because I got a massage from a male therapist yesterday (and it was great, but not a sexual experience) and it reminded me of that incident. I wondered whether my thinking (that he was being controlling) was skewed, so I sought public opinion. Independent of that behavior he was a bad p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:37 PM
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First of all, Schopenhauer is awesome. Second, is a visit to the gynecologist an intimate experience? How about the mammographer? Have you ever had a massage? It’s not at all a sexual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 07:22 PM
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No, happy ending places are brothels disguised as massage parlors. That’s like saying cigar shops aren’t legitimate businesses because some “smoke shops” sell weed in the back. I did leave him shortly after though, and turns out it was a very, very good decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:41 PM
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I was the receiver. Just feeling out the public opinion because I felt a way about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:26 PM
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A man who says “I’m buying this only if you do it how I say” is never getting husband privileges. That being said, I do believe in some spouse privileges and hold myself to those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:22 PM
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Massage therapists are professionals who touch bodies for a living, just like doctors. It’s in no way a sexual experience. Edit: aside from the obvious “happy ending” places but I’m talking about actual professional massages
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:17 PM
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Intimate settings. Would you expect your girl to exclusively seek out female professionals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:15 PM
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I see the difference between expressing (and respecting) a preference and making it a stipulation. One is communicative and one is controlling, to me. This was “I’ll pay for massages but it has to be with a female therapist.” I wanted public opinion because he turned out to be super controlling and I broke up with him after several other red flags popped up pretty early on. I was getting a massage yesterday (from a man, totally non sexual) and I thought of it. I was like “oh maybe that was an ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:14 PM
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Fair, although there are plenty of medicinal applications for massage (like lymphatic drainage in breast cancer patients post mastectomy). In any case, they are both professional services.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:01 PM
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I’ll be honest, I can’t think of a “hear me out” that would convince me that the man wasn’t just insecure and controlling. “Hear me out… I don’t want a professional touching muh woman in a nonsexual way” “Hear me out… I don’t trust you not to ask for a happy ending” “Hear me out… it’s not you I don’t trust, it’s men… they can’t control their base instincts in a professional setting” Nah, I’ll just see myself right out the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:41 PM
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What’s the difference between a male massage therapist and a male gynecologist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:35 PM
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What about a male gynecologist? Chiropractor? Mammography tech? Colonoscopist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:32 PM
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The question is not about your preference but about whether your partner is entitled to stipulate their preference about who touches your body
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:31 PM
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I was the receiver. I thought it was ridiculous, but I wanted to know if it was a thing people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:05 PM
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Lol no this actually happened to me - I briefly dated a guy who paid for massages but wanted to stipulate that it only be a woman therapist. I thought it was a red flag for insecurity and controlling behavior, but I wanted to calibrate my normal meter with public opinion. Seems I was right, and this is weirdo behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 05:02 PM
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No, it sounds ridiculous. If you want to be single, be single. If you want to do “freak nasty stuff,” find a willing partner. If you want an open relationship, find a willing partner (and don’t trip when she uses her “hall pass”). If you want to commit to monogamy, commit to monogamy, period. That’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:07 PM
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Cute. I’d question your definition of “better than,” but honestly I’m not that interested in the answer. I also don’t find it super challenging to say that men who have the option to lie and break their vows but don’t are of better character than those who do, but if that’s impressive to you, awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:39 PM
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Sorry bro I’m not digging through that garbage to prove a point to a “red pill man” . I heard him say that verbatim on a stream though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 07:50 PM
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I heard him once sputter “women are beneath men.” Is that the truth in your estimation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:02 PM
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Someone who can talk to anyone easily and make them smile without knowing them. The ones who flirt (not in a creepy way, just playful and sweet) with old ladies. Someone who is confident but doesn’t exude arrogance (which is usually just hiding insecurity).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 02:05 PM
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If I were interested in him romantically, I would let him (not expect him to) pay if he offered. That being said, I’ve never been on a date where the man didn’t rush to pay the check. If I weren’t I would insist on paying half so it would set the tone that I wasn’t just on a foodie call. Then I would let him down gently. Then again, I usually figure out I’m not interested well before a date is set, so if they’ve gotten a first date it’s because I’m romantically/ sexually attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 12:54 PM
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