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This is about having two punishments for the same "crime." That only holds if you consider premarital sex a "crime" and a child to be a "punishment", which is something I fundamentally don't subscribe to. Child support isn't meant to punish the man. It is an attempt to acquire that which belongs to the child from him. It is a shot at equity for all three parties (three because we've made the assumption that this child is being born).
/r/MensRights10/11/13 08:00 PM
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"Mommy, mommy, I hurt my leg. You should go hurt his leg too, because then it's fair." equality
/r/MensRights10/11/13 07:37 PM
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men having the right to choose their own parental future is just as important as women having that right Absolutely, but this isn't about parental futures it's about bodily autonomy. We have no ability, as a society, to force a woman to either bear a child or abort it. However, we do have the ability to force someone (man or woman, I might add) to pay child support so that such a child does not become as much of a burden on the rest of society. the dichotomy of getting pregnant would change almo…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 07:06 PM
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nine months of a woman's life, at least four of which are spent as a hormonal invalid? That isn't shared by a man, especially one who is choosing to provide only monetary support Or the stigma attached to being a single mother, being called a slut who couldn't keep it in her pants? The woman in the relationship bears far more stigma than the man Or the depression, pain, and sickness attached with a mid-term abortion? Purely chemical. Abortions fuck with your hormones. They can cause depression, …
/r/MensRights10/11/13 06:51 PM
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I'm not saying the whole thing is symmetrical. Didn't mean to imply that you were. I was trying to point out what wasn't being fleshed out. I think it's important to note that, even though I would never discount a man's suffering in the rearing of a child, whether monetary, social, or emotional, there is no parallel with the experience of pregnancy. I'm not willing to accept a world in which we force a woman to have or not have an abortion, the suffering caused by that being too great, and I'm n…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:59 PM
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I think we all need someone to hate. I'm not discounting your experiences, nor am I belittling your achievements. I'm in no position to do that. I don't think you need anyone to be happy, and I don't think you need anyone to succeed. However, I think it's important to know that a lot of guidance counselors are shitheads. A lot of relatives are nay-sayers. It has little to do with gender. I wish you luck in your life, but I think discounting half of the people in the world out of spite is exactly…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:50 PM
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That sex should not be a jail sentence to women, but should be for men based on the woman's whim. Personally, that's what I struggle with most in this discussion. I am a man, and I'm terrified of ever having a partner who would not abort upon realizing she is pregnant. However, I think that, if both sides accepted the same principals, they would come to the same conclusion. So let's go down a list (remember, I'm asking you to challenge any of these that you don't agree with, not taking them as g…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:43 PM
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I think there's a lot we can do. I think we can help both men and women in such a situation, and hell, I'd be the first to say that men should be better involved with a child, born or unborn. However, Men and women need this help in different ways, and saying otherwise disregards the fact of asymmetry.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:34 PM
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So tell me, is a freshly fertilized egg a human being? Should the one quarter of fetuses that are biologically aborted be treated as human beings? Have funerals? Have medical rights? This isn't new-agey bullshit. I'm just curious as to what your "clear criteria" are.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:32 PM
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The most common argument against it is that the man choose to have sex and now he has to deal with the consequences Maybe you're right. The argument is hypocritical and childish, but it's one I can see being brought up. However, it's one that, unlike many that explore the asymmetry of pregnancy and figure out how to deal with it, is truly symmetrical. Anyone who ascribes to the "he made his decision when he chose to have sex" argument has no response when the same statement is applied to women. …
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:28 PM
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How about the nine months of a woman's life, at least four of which are spent as a hormonal invalid? There isn't any parallel there. Or the stigma attached to being a single mother, being called a slut who couldn't keep it in her pants? Or the depression, pain, and sickness attached with a mid-term abortion?
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:21 PM
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However, if men have no autonomy then women shouldn't either. ugh There is no positive in "well, one's shafted, so let's shaft the other too". By ameliorating the situation of a woman (by legalizing abortion), we have certainly allowed the man to benefit. A couple seeking an abortion can (in most cases) get one, and just because there is asymmetry in the decision-making process doesn't mean that we should get rid of it altogether. For example, as it stands, the woman in a relationship has essent…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:19 PM
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a pregnancy happens Right there. Do you deny there is a lack of symmetry in pregnancy and childbirth?
/r/MensRights10/11/13 04:11 PM
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I have been abstinent for the last 10 years by choice. Sorry, but I'd say that clouds your perspective on the issue of reproductive health, male or female. Not having to confront the reality of your opinion certainly clouds your judgment. I am strongly motivated by spite. Why? if I might ask?
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:35 AM
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That same argument was used to tell women why abortion is illegal. Responsibility. That's the argument that religious nuts screaming "the slut deserves it" use. The reason any abortion should be restricted is for the sake of a "child", whatever your definition of child is. Forcing a woman (and her boyfriend/partner/husband, for that matter) to bring a child into the world as a punishment is, frankly, idiotic.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:31 AM
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It's put that way because the fact that feminists are saying this is important.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:28 AM
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I am in no danger of having a child out of wedlock Wut? Are you saying that there is no possibility that you could have a child when not married? Are you sexually active? Condoms, even when used perfectly, have approximately a 2% failure rate I'm not entirely sure what point you're making, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'll leave it there. If one gender gets screwed, everyone gets screwed. I don't like that though. Jealousy and tearing each gender down to the other's level gets…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:27 AM
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A huge portion of the issue of abortion is the question of when "life" really begins. I don't think anyone educated on the topic would say an unfertilized egg is a human, and I don't hear anyone making arguments for killing an unwanted child as it comes out of the womb. Somewhere in between, we cross a fuzzy line. That is completely ignoring aborting in the case of danger to the mother, rape, or other situations.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:23 AM
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Eh. I don't think the argument is about subsidizing the life choices of another, but rather subsidizing the life of a child. A child of a one-parent household is vastly more likely to live in poverty, to have stunted academic and professional skills, etc. The attempt is to allow a child to have a fair shot at a reasonable life, in spite of their parents' decisions, not because of them.
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:18 AM
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In an egalitarian mindset in which we attempt to make both parents assume responsibility for a child, how else would we establish any degree of professional equality in opportunity? It's hardly hypocrisy. There's no symmetry in the first place
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:13 AM
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That's the common argument I see as well; that, if you have sex without a condom, then you knew the risks involved and are obligated to be responsible for them. I may be wrong, but I had this discussion not a week ago with a few people, and that statement was never made. There are completely different, valid reasons for there to be asymmetry in the handling of childcare and rearing. However, brushing it off as "the man had his chance, fuck him" isn't really something that happens in rational dis…
/r/MensRights10/11/13 05:10 AM
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