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Damn, end the thread lol nailed it
/r/MensRights17/07/22 01:14 PM
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In the event of a break up yes marriage is more complicated. But other than that it helps with a lot of things to be legally married.
/r/MensRights11/07/22 10:26 PM
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Well of course you can but most women want to get married. Not to mention if kids are in the plans, why would you not be married and add that complication to it? Getting married can go wrong but staying alone out of fear is even worse. As a lonely fuck incel trust me I know. I'd get married for sure if anyone decent actually wanted to
/r/MensRights11/07/22 09:15 PM
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The rational reason is that being alone sucks and most women want to get married. So you don't really have a choice
/r/MensRights11/07/22 12:08 AM
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Yea my friend group is pretty balanced, but being friends doesn't change anything
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:10 PM
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Oh, I assumed he was black. Yea being white changes a lot online.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:00 PM
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Again, some people are like that but enough aren't that you can't say the problem is not having friends. I have friends. The problem is no dates, not friends
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:54 PM
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So random women saw him online and then approached him in real life? That dude either looks like Michael b Jordan or he's lying. That simply doesn't happen, people swipe quickly you wouldn't recognize a random stranger like that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:51 PM
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A large social circle would have nothing to do with matches online.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:40 PM
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Please stop, its like less than 2% make it to my age and situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:23 PM
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Your guy friends must be pretty good looking then, its almost unheard of for men to have the same matches as women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:22 PM
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I just don't see how you weren't able to go online and get a ton of matches. I've seen that done even for very ugly women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:10 PM
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No, because there are still other options such as online. The problem is that women's standards are rising like crazy such that a lot of men don't qualify anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:09 PM
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Obviously that happens but it's a small minority, don't pretend otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:08 PM
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Ok, so all you had to do is go online and pick someone. If only men could do the same. In 10+ years I haven't gotten that online
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:01 PM
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Yes its the younger generations. The ones that grew up with the dating apps mainly. But that's every generation going forward
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 04:00 PM
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Did you ever try online?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:58 PM
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Why do you think so many men are never or rarely having sex if they have options?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:58 PM
1

Ok, go ahead and ignore what I'm telling you but don't act so confused when violence overruns our country
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:48 PM
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If you're a woman and you struggle with dating, its because you don't like any of the many options you get all the time. Aka as picky
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:47 PM
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Even the ugliest women have more options than the average man. If you 'struggle' with dating, you simply don't like your many options. That's way different than having no options which is what men are dealing with
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:45 PM
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It depends. I don't have acne or braces, I'm black and my hair is always just short since I can't even grow an Afro. I already shave. I don't have scars. My face is fundamentally just ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:39 PM
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I tell literally anyone that will listen what I'm telling you now. I don't want society to collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:34 PM
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Because it is and any black man will confirm
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:33 PM
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because you are picky and don't want the 99 matches you get a day online
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:30 PM
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Totally agree. But its hard to just completely move on, I know I can't
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:09 PM
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Here's a quote you should read and consider: "What causes revolutions? When does the violence start? To find the answer, study one group: Dissatisfied, angry young men. 100% of every revolution in human history was started by this cohort, and if you want to know how likely you are to have a revolution, ignore everything else and study the angry young men in your society. Why are they angry? How many of them are there? Do they communicate regularly? Do they have weapons? Are there political movem…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:31 PM
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Most people who know of an imminent threat will report it. That's a different issue than the wider societal problem of what's causing so many men to go down this road. And yes, a big reason is so many men who can't date or get laid. There is a reason the idea of marriage and monogamy was pushed in societies of the past, because they understood that if you don't do that too many men would be left out and turn violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:28 PM
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Im only lacking in my face and my height, you can't fix that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 02:12 PM
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You missed the part where I'm ugly also. Being short and ugly and not white means I don't meet the basic minimum threshold necessary for anything else about me to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:28 PM
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Physical and emotional needs that friends simply can't provide. If they could, most people would bother doing relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:13 PM
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This is so wrong don't even know where to start. Most men are starving for literally anyone to give them the time of day. Having a job hygiene etc doesn't mean shit to these women out there. Height, face and race determine everything before they give any shits about anything else. Women gladly and voluntarily put themselves in harms way if the man is hot. Going home with guys after barely knowing them. Don't give me that bs please safety isn't a concern
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:03 PM
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Of course not, but I don't know how you expect someone like me to not be miserable and depressed after making it to 31 completely alone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:00 PM
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If you don't know how much of an advantage being white is in dating you're blind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:57 PM
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Not in my experience, but you're probably white and speaking from white guys perspective in which case I believe it. White guys are playing on easy mode compared to the rest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:28 PM
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The very first one that you yourself posted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:11 PM
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The first one that you posted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:11 PM
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Friends don't meet the needs that a relationship does. Women at least have options right now. They aren't totally hopeless like men. Men are starving to death, women are at a buffet where they may not be able to find their favorite food. But still plenty of options so they don't starve
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:59 AM
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I didn't make an assumption, you said overweight which includes the example i gave of a dad bod. If you only meant obese, then say obese. If you meant obese people, say obese. Otherwise how the fuck is anyone supposed to know what you meant
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:56 AM
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300+ is outright obese, not overweight. Use the correct language to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:54 AM
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Women don't care about those things they only care about looks. I graduated from the ivy league, nobody cares because I'm unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:53 AM
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How many times do I have to say this: add in the overweight numbers on top of the obesity numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:52 AM
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Nope, see average height is a lot better than short, and being overweight isn't a big deal to women. Dad bods are ok for many women. Women care way more about height than weight
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:51 AM
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Because we're human beings with needs that if not met we are not happy. The same reason most people will be unhappy if they don't have friends. You can't just tell a lonely person to focus on other things. People have needs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:50 AM
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The same reason everyone does, I am a human being with needs that a relationship is the only solution for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:49 AM
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That's obesity, now add in the number who are also overweight but not obese. Its around 70% who are at least overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:48 AM
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Because you're completely ignoring the amount of men who do those things and it doesn't change anything. The amount of money you need to successfully compensate for being unattractive is simply not realistic for most men to attain. I make over 6 figures, no woman cares because they have their own money. You would need to be in the actual 1% where you're on private jets to make any difference I am in shape and exercise and have been told in the past I have the body of a Greek God. But my face is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:43 AM
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Gym doesn't make up for height or face. Believe me I would know. I'm 5'3 and have an ugly face, no matter how jacked I've been nobody cared. Hobbies or traveling doesn't matter, I have no idea where people are getting this from. If she isn't attracted to you a hobby or vacation isn't going to change that
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:39 AM
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A relationship is not a fix all, but its a big component of a healthy happy life for most people. Like yes, a homeless person who gets a house will still have other problems. But its still a huge step in the right direction. Same with a lonely man finding a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:30 AM
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27.5% overweight, 41% obese. Add them together and what do you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:26 AM
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Don't take the bait. Black women still have it easier than every man on earth, they're just extremely picky and extremely overweight and obese
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:22 AM
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Black women still have dating easier compared to every man on earth. The problem is black women have the highest standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:20 AM
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Obese isn't the same thing as overweight. Op said overweight and you conflate that with the obesity number
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:19 AM
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You can have all the hobbies you want, if you aren't attractive to women it won't make a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:17 AM
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Well I'm never going to have a family. I don't have a career I care about and never will. Wtf am I supposed to be living for besides personal enjoyment? And video games bring guys like me joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:15 AM
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Lol so true, I only get matches if I lie and say 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:13 AM
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Theres truth to thus but just a part of it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:12 AM
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Amazing post, you nailed it except the part at the end about men and video games. Men are doing those things because they can't get women anymore, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:10 AM
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Just stop. Very few do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:03 AM
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Easier said than done trust me
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:03 AM
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That path would be finding someone though, but they can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:02 AM
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If there's only 1 person out there for him among billions of people he's screwed
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:01 AM
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You probably have a good looking face. Women don't care about your hobbies or interests if you aren't attractive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 11:00 AM
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Its easier for women to be happy without dating and sex than men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 10:43 AM
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Of course that's true of some guys and not others. Depends on every individual situation
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:30 PM
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Not anymore, now they just stay alone and don't even bother to settle
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 06:43 PM
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This man speaks truth
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:51 PM
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How can you even conclude that without ever seeing me? Its impossible for you to say until you actually know what I look like. You are not being honest. You're saying things to make people feel good without the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:01 PM
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" is not rare when women choose guys they find less physically attractive but more fun to be around." Key word is 'less physically attractive ' which is different than outright unattractive. Yes, a woman might pick a guy that's a 6 over an 8. She is not picking a 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:52 PM
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Personality without attraction is called a friend. I can definitely make friends but that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:39 PM
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The other things you're talking about don't matter when basic attraction isn't there. That's the reality of the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:30 PM
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When you add up all the factors that's just the reality of my odds. I'm considered the least attractive race in America, I'm very short, and I'm ugly. The reality is that puts me less than 1% odds. I'm 31 and my experience definitely backs that up. Sad but true and better I know that going in
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:05 PM
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Its like this, I'm really ugly and short. So my odds are less than 1% that any given woman will find me attractive. So my expectations are in line with that. I think everyone can get themselves a similar % odds just so they know what to expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:43 PM
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But I mean this isn't just what strangers say, I've had women i actually know tell me the same bullshit. No need for bs with people you actually know
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:06 PM
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So add up the factors. If you're short but have a nice face for example, you know you're not as bad off. Just gotta add everything up
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:05 PM
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Where did I ever say it wasn't possible? Literally anything is possible, people even win the lottery. But exceptions don't make a rule. Everyone needs to know the reality of the situation and the odds out there for their situation to preserve their sanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:51 PM
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Because the truth will set you free. Trust me, if people told me the truth earlier it would have saved me so much pain and helped my mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:48 PM
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Your friend is an exception to a very common rule. He doesn't matter, he's an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:43 PM
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Sure there are exceptions to everything but in general short guys are not what women want and if you're short you better understand that and adjust your expectations accordingly in advance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:21 PM
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The point is that every guy needs to understand reality as it is so they have a realistic expectation and don't get depressed. For example, I used to believe the height doesn't matter bullshit. So I got really depressed and blamed myself when I kept getting rejected, when I should have already known to expect that because of my obvious disadvantages
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:50 AM
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Its just gas lighting. Ignore it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:47 AM
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The women are just openly lying. They aren't being honest about what they like
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:42 AM
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That's really common now, women just don't need men anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:37 PM
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They would prefer it over being with an unattractive guy. It goes Top guy to yourself Share a top guy Be alone Go gay Drown -Negative 9000. Get with a low tier guy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:41 PM
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Women arent traveling to New states though, they're still fucking the guys around them but only the most attractive because they can all find the same ones
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:37 PM
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Dude a lot of men think with their dick, they are the main ones trying to bang without even thinking about stds. It's women who are more conscious of those things. Also, again it depends. Colorado for example is an entire state with a relatively low obesity rate, not a town. But whatever, the point is that it's not a high standard to simply want someone not fat. Almost any woman can meet that standard if she bothers taking care of herself
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:25 PM
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Depends where you live, in the usa sex work is illegal and the vast majority of men don't even try. They have no choice but to try with real women but they give up when they can't meet the standards
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:20 PM
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In America it depends where you live, I lived in Colorado before and there weren't many fat people there. All it meant was the women had even higher standards. You're confusing marriage with casual dating. Men do not care if she's a slut or whatever for casual dating. The only standard is usually don't be fat, if that
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:13 PM
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Men want to at least get laid and most men only get laid in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:10 PM
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Women. Men are the exact opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:56 PM
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Most guys will openly tell you their only standard is don't be fat, if even that. 'Don't be fat' is far from 'must be hot.' There is a rapidly increasing trend of guys being single and incel because they cannot find anyone willing to date them. More and more are openly admitting that they have high standards and would rather be alone than drop them
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:48 PM
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This isn't true. Men are not like women, we want the hot chicks but will take less because it's better than nothing. Its women who prefer nothing if they can't get the top guys
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:07 PM
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No we don't, men will very happily settle rather than never get laid or date at all
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 12:06 PM
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"Men have proven they prefer videogames and drugs and hedonism than fixing themselves enough for a woman to find them attractive." Stopped reading here. When will we stop with this bs. Men defer to those things when they can't get any women because women only want the top guys
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 02:05 AM
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Male, black pill, 31. Black pill because because I've lived first hand the reality of being short ugly and not white in 2022 compared to others who have better traits. Here to see others who believe and experience similar things
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:49 AM
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Yes we're headed to a world where a large percentage of men won't make the cut for sex and dating and you'll be told to shut up and pay taxes and if you say anything you're an incel. Bad times are ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:04 AM
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Women care way more about face and height
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 12:00 AM
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Biology really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:59 PM
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Yea that is absolutely night and day different from the state of things in usa. Young people are isolated and lonely more than ever now, even just lacking friends let alone dating. Nobody's doing anything about it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:24 PM
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Thank you interesting to see the differences. Location definitely makes a huge difference
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:03 PM
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Which country? Can you share that here again? I'm really only referring to the united States when I say these things, I have no idea what its like elsewhere
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:10 PM
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See but we don't even have lifetime data for this generation that is experiencing this trend. Its really the young generations now. The data of older people is irrelevant to what will happen with people currently in college age years through their 20s. And especially if you believe women won't get married. Most men only get sex in a committed relationship. If women no longer are interested in that, they will get sex from the top guys and otherwise leave the betas with nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:40 PM
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That's because we're still in transition. Look at the trends of skyrocketing male incels without the same rise in women among young people. We're already seeing this trend of sex going to fewer subset of men and its going to continue
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:28 PM
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By nature women are actually polygamous. Its better for them evolutionarily to get the best genes/best protector even if it means sharing. There are some cultural factors that make women desire commitment also, but if given the choice they'll pick sharing an alpha male over having a beta to themselves That's where this is all headed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:26 PM
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It means let the man lead and make the choices. Defer to the man. Don't try to be equal, follow the leader. And do the housework and cook
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:50 AM
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Changed nothing except I was less social because I didn't need to meet women anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:47 AM
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I did. I said I don't care because most men don't get laid
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:25 AM
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It would be a solution because the women would have the top guys they want, they would just have to share
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:24 AM
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We already have a labor shortage problem in the usa
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:15 AM
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Facts
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 03:05 AM
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I think it'll be worse in the west
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:58 AM
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Its gonna be a problem, men aren't going to work and pay taxes just to be incels
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:43 AM
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No I mean before we start accepting polygamy the problem will be too many women staying single because they don't want to settle with beta. After that happens too much, polygamy will become more acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:42 AM
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We're going to move towards polygamy. More and more single women later in life will be the driving force. We'll have so many that choose to stay single and be single moms rather than settle with beta brad. Eventually it'll start to be recognized as more acceptable for harems and polygamy Men will just grow more depressed and unstable. Violence will increase, suicide, drug abuse etc. Fewer men will bother to work
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:09 AM
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Most of us don't get laid anyway I don't care
/r/MensRights28/06/22 01:50 AM
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Women are in control of what dicks they take but still have rights. Also, women can lie. What then, you still don't have any rights if she lied to you
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:13 AM
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Choose if they become fathers or not
/r/MensRights25/06/22 04:44 AM
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Until we address men's right to choose I don't care
/r/MensRights25/06/22 02:02 AM
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Not literally all but enough that there's a lot of leftover men who will be alone
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:05 PM
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Women are pussies they aren't going to do anything
/r/MensRights24/06/22 08:51 PM
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I don't disagree with you but the reality is ugly women would rather stay alone. Ugly men will lower their standards so they can have a relationship and get laid but women would rather be alone. They simply aren't as desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:05 PM
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Online dating is the main reason for the situation we are in because women have so much choice that more average guys can't compete. It would definitely help the problem if they were banned
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:15 PM
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I don't just believe it i see it with my own eyes every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:10 PM
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I'm just one man I can't figure it all out but I'd consider a few things: legalize prostitution or provide government funded sex robots to men so they can fulfill physical needs. lower taxes on singles so all the single men won't be punished financially as opposed to the married ones consider banning dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:10 PM
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Oh that's the uk, I'm referring to the usa
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:04 PM
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No but we need some sort of plan instead of just shaming incels and ignoring the problem. That won't end well
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:45 PM
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That's false, men swipe on most women they see because otherwise they don't get any matches. Only the top guys can be picky
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:43 PM
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Tend to agree with op
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:39 PM
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You're not that much younger but you probably had some success way early on to validate your effort. I have not. Its pointless. Asian guys have challenges out there also but blacks have it worse honestly, the rate of single moms, ghetto/hood women, women who only want thugs is astronomical. More Asians chicks are at least normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:53 PM
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I'm only 5'3. I don't have any hard rule on race personally but the vast majority of women aren't interested in black guys unless they are black themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:07 PM
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Dude I'm 31. I was approaching for the better part of a decade with no success. Contrary to the myth about short girls, short girls are just as likely to want a 6ft guy as a tall girl. And that's also where race becomes a factor, I'm black and black women are particularly obsessed with height. There's all kinds of factors depending on the situation
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:53 PM
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So i hear you on your before after. That makes sense. However what you need to understand is there are also a lot of guys who do all the things you're trying to sell as your secret sauce, to no avail. I have always been in shape, always had friends, always been social putting myself out there etc. It doesn't make any difference. I think there are some guys who can get results by doing an overhaul like you say. But you're ignoring guys who aren't doing anything wrong as it is and still get no res…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:38 PM
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Great that you did all those things but being 5'11 has more to do with your success that any of that bullshit you mentioned. Those things help, but you already admitted you were in a relationship before you even did those things. The truth is not that complicated. Women want tall guys with good looking faces and ideally a decent body. If you don't have those things, good luck. Especially if you aren't white
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:20 PM
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They would have rejected the vast majority of guys anyway. That's why they don't get asked out. There is no point in most guys doing it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:07 PM
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I'm 31, I approached for well over a decade with no results. That's how I know
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:05 PM
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You're pretty tall compared to other Asians and probably pretty good looking. I'm not surprised you see some success. You're above average for your race
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:04 PM
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I'm not saying that doesn't happen, it does but the other way around is way more common. As you get older and don't have a relationship guys need something to fill their spare time
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 05:03 PM
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The other 750 women want the same top guys too. You think women all of a sudden don't want the hot guys anymore as soon as they walk outside? Not reality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:59 PM
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You're probably better looking than you give yourself credit for. Most of the time with these stories ths guy is under selling his looks and height. How tall are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:54 PM
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Women operating this way means a lot of men will be unable to date or get married and fulfill their basic human emotional and physical needs. It is not a good idea for society to turn a blind eye to this. Young bitter single men with nothing to lose can and will destroy society if we ignore this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:53 PM
0

That's because those men understand their odds are extremely low and choose not play. I'm not online and I don't approach either because it doesn't work for me. Im too ugly and short and I'm not white which also matters especially for online.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:44 PM
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I don't think it actually matters that there's fewer women. The point is that most of the women only want a small subset of the same men attractive men. That would be happening no matter how many women there were, they want the same guys
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:42 PM
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Guys do porn and video games when they are rejected from women and need something to do, not the other way around. Its 50% now but its getting less and less as the standards keep increasing. Lots of data available on these trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:28 PM
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72% are not getting regular sex. 72% report at least getting laid one time in the last year. If you narrow it to actual regular sex its 50%. Only 50% of guys make the cut and its fewer every day
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:23 PM
2

Your first point is a myth, men are more forgiving on appearance because at the end of the day we'll take getting laid on a regular basis over nothing. A large amount of men's only standard is "don't be fat". You never hear such simplicity from women because it doesn't exist. Only dating merely gave women the opportunity to do what they are biological driven to do. Ignore the vast majority of men and fuck the good looking alpha males that they are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:08 PM
1

I believe it does change a bit once you're in the relationship. But to get the initial attraction in the first place, looks are king. Women in 2022 want the best looking guy they can get and usually one that is tall. When women cannot get what they want, many are now choosing to be alone instead of settle with someone they aren't actually that attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:48 PM
2

Getting to know someone is called friendship, and has nothing to do with sexusl attraction. The core of sexusl attraction offline is the same as it is online. How good do you look, how tall are you etc its vsin stuff. It does not change in real life, its all the same biology and psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 03:20 PM
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The underlying behavior that plays out on the apps doesn't change off of the apps. The apps show what women want. A woman who is not on the apps still has the same biological and psychological drives that lead to the old results from women who are on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 02:53 PM
-1

Online dating data proves what you're saying is false. Matches are indexed heavily to the top 20% of guys. That's what women want for casual sex and that's what happens. Average women are not fucking average guys for sport, they're fucking the most attractive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 01:05 PM
10

For casual sex, there isn't a benefit to lowering standards for women. For actual dating / relationships , there is a benefit that you'd be more likely to find someone you like even if initial they didn't meet your criteria
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:55 PM
1

Top 20% gets almost all the casual sex. If women lowered standards more men would be doing so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:39 PM
45

Never ask a fish how to catch a fish. The best advice comes from guys on your own level attractiveness(or lower) and same race etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:40 AM
4

The same core things are attractive to the vast majority of women. This has been ingrained over many many generations through evolution and psychology
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:39 AM
8

Depends who the man but in general yes, men want lower standards so we can get more sex instead of it all going to the top guys
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:37 AM
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Women have evolved to only want the best genes possible. Think about it, for most of human history getting pregnant could easily mean dying. The genes have to be worth it for good offspring. For guys, it was always more of a numbers game not being super picky about it. That's why humans are really by nature polygamist. We form harems around the top men. But we invented marriage to help society and balance things out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:35 AM
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30% is a lot. And of the 70% as I mentioned it doesn't mean they are all getting laid consistently. That counts a lot of guys who maybe got laid once and then never again. Thats not consistently healthy sex life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:25 AM
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It shows that may have gotten laid once, it doesn't show consistent sex or anything. No more than 50% of guys can consistently just get random sex. 30% can't get any at all
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:21 AM
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A lot of men can only get laid in actual relationships. Nowadays you need to be fairly attractive for a woman to just want to sleep with you. So unless you never want get sex at all you must settle
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:17 AM
5

Its bullshit op. Its a dumb saying that makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who can be happy and satisfied alone should just stay alone. Why bother with a relationship that could ruin that? The reality is relationships are a human need and you can't be happy without it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:11 AM
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Its bullshit op. Its a dumb saying that makes absolutely no sense. Anyone who can be happy and satisfied alone should just stay alone. Why bother with a relationship that could ruin that? The reality is relationships are a human need and you can't be happy without it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:11 AM
2

Being alone cause if ridiculous standards is worse
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:07 AM
1

I would say success is at least getting some positive response some of the time. At least them wanting to talk to you. It doesn't really happen anymore unless you're pretty good looking because women have so many options now they don't waste their time with unattractive guys they don't know
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 01:21 PM
0

Then you're either tall or just better looking than you're letting on. Cause average brown guys I see are not randomly approaching women where I live with any success
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:57 PM
0

You're probably white, you have it on easy mode compared to ethnic minorities
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:40 PM
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This is the reality but the problem is that in many cases women want "chad" or nothing. Its not something reasonable like just a decent guy. Its "6ft 6 figures 9 inches or id rather die alone " and that just leaves out the vast majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:55 AM
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"Self improvement " is just a way people avoid acknowledging the reality that some people are unlucky and will be alone. They suggest unrelated random distractions to fill ones attention and hope those distractions make up for being alone. Obviously it doesn't
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:51 AM
1

Couldn't have said it better myself
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:50 AM
1

Nobody wants to date me
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:49 AM
1

Its not a bogeyman, Chad just means the guys women actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:48 AM
0

It is acceptable already but it won't work unless you're physically attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:46 AM
1

Yes
/r/MensRights16/06/22 04:19 PM
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if not for seeking female validation whats the point? if not to get women most guys are content just chilling with porn and xbox
/r/MensRights15/06/22 03:27 AM
-1

I feel you, I think by definition everyone is high value to someone but in the general sense, would society look at a given guy as high value is the question imo
/r/MensRights05/06/22 10:42 PM
-1

Oh I'm not saying women inherently determine your value. For example, if for whatever reason LeBron James couldn't get laid I'd still call him high value. But the reality is nobody who is legitimately high value struggles getting women. That's just reality man
/r/MensRights05/06/22 10:33 PM
1

Its not hard lol a lot of men don't know any women or have any dates etc except maybe through work. Its not that hard to avoid women. I just don't see how I guy going out to get laid every weekend can call himself mgtow
/r/MensRights05/06/22 10:18 PM
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Idk man you can't really say you went your own way unless you truly don't deal with women imo. And most men will at least to do it to get laid if they can get laid.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 10:02 PM
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I'm as opposite of femcel as you can get. But true mgtow is not dealing with women at all, and no man capable of at least getting regular sex would choose to do that. Only the ones who can't get women want to do that(exceptions of course but in general)
/r/MensRights05/06/22 09:48 PM
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Mgtow makes sense for low value men who can't or really struggle to get women. Its not worth it in that situation.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 04:13 PM
1

Not really no. It is what it is.
/r/MensRights31/05/22 09:44 PM
2

It is almost exclusively young men who do this type of shit. I think its fair to ask what is happening with young men to lead to this rise in shootings
/r/MensRights26/05/22 11:08 AM
2

Ugly women would often rather be alone than with an ugly man
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:53 PM
3

Bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:48 PM
1

Bingo. It makes sense, if you can't win the game and it isn't even fun, don't play
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:46 PM
2

Its depressing. All you can do is give up dating
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 10:45 PM
3

One woman totally disrespected me because I was shorter than she expected. Basically didn't even bother talking to me and left. I was humiliated
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/22 05:42 AM
1

Yea if you can afford plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:19 PM
1

I'm 31, I gave up at this point but yes did the best I could before I'm 5'3 ugly and not white
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:12 PM
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right now height is the biggest filter women use by far. Race is another one. And then general looks. All factors are not equal and some of us have a combination of factors that kill hope
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:06 PM
1

Not by itself but It is when you add up my other disadvantages
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:26 PM
0

So many idsues with this. The good looking or tall guy doesn't need any of those things. You shouldn't have to become some perfect person to get someone on your own basic level. Doesn't make sense No, I don't care about those things in general. Most men just want to do the bare minimum and enjoy life. But to get laid we will do more cause we have to, not want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:13 AM
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Lol most men can't give anyone a chance because there isn't even anyone asking for a chance. You really have no idea how it is for less attractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:10 AM
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Doesn't work that way. I'm above average in some ways I can control but because I'm 5'3 it doesn't matter
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:05 AM
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" many men today are complacent and lazy, using video games and porn as substitutes for genuine human connections and self improvemen" Chicken and egg. A lot of men become this WAY BECAUSE they fail at dating and they want escapes
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:57 AM
1

This is the exact problem, most people are average but nobody wants to settle for that including those who ate average or mediocre themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:54 AM
2

Because it leaves the equivalent man alone
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:51 AM
11

Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:49 AM
6

They like saying that but reality is they still ignore most guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 10:44 AM
6

this is absolutely incredible, thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:47 AM
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I was on and off for years but finally gave those up last year for good. Those apps are for attractive guys, tall guys or white guys lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:21 PM
1

I don't even get any dates. People are generally respectful to me, I mean that I'm just never even considered for dating so I have no worth on that level
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:10 PM
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I don't have money like that, I have a solid job but by no means am I rich or anything or have money that people would notice. I think I'd have better chances in Africa than south America
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:09 PM
1

In college I was jacked out of my mind, and for a few years after college still pretty jacked but I stopped lifting years ago now. I didn't enjoy it and it made no difference with women so why bother. I have never used lifts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:02 PM
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You can't really have sex appeal when you look like me though. Super short and ugly is never going to be sexy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:42 PM
1

I don't think so I'm unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:22 PM
2

I'm not white. Onky white guys can move to other countries and have value like that. I'm black Guatemala is probably mostly racist against us
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:05 PM
7

I've been rejected enough for 3 lifetimes. I just don't even actively try anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:04 PM
12

If you haven't walked in my shoes don't tell me how I'm treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:00 PM
2

I'm only 5'3, I'm always the shortest guy in the room it sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:54 PM
1

Yes and very short.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:47 PM
6

Lmao there's truth here. I'm igbo actually. I definitely don't want to fake who I am. I think my only hope would be to go to Africa and do something arranged but don't think its worth it. Appreciate someone here that actually knows the deal with this, most of reddit isn't black and it's just a different world
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:31 PM
10

Getting rejected constantly does that to people. So shocking
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:23 PM
5

My dad is from africa, my mom is American but yes I relate better with Africans than black Americans. but no dating success either way so doesn't matter. In college most of my friend group was Africans, since then it's usually mixed groups of friends not really a black social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:22 PM
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I'm a nigga and black women probably like me the least so it doesn't matter lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:02 PM
5

I don't try anymore,I'm 31 and have given up at this point. It just was a waste of time it was very clear I'm not wanted
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:53 PM
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I'm not really saying individual people treat me bad, the dating market as a whole does. I have zero value like garbage. But yes I'm not saying every person that won't date me is treating me like garbage
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:38 PM
7

Garbage is thrown away as if its nothing to you, thats how I feel, worthless in dating as if I'm nothing. I can't even get a date
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 01:33 PM
2

There's no point for some of us. Some of us are wasting our time doing all this bullshit for women who don't want us anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:08 AM
4

None of that makes a difference if you're ugly
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:53 AM
0

I can't date at all, its a joke. Just giving up. I'm just too unattractive. I'm really short and I'm ugly and I'm not white which seems impossible to overcome in the west
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 02:43 AM
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Well I think less attractive men are really the ones that got screwed. Women still have plenty of options in this environment and more attractive men are feasting
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 02:37 PM
2

Before it wasn't so easy to be as picky though. You didn't have online dating giving 100s of options and you had people wanting to settle down earlier so they weren't as picky
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 11:01 AM
1

I can believe it, if you aren't interested in a hookup. But most women are fine hooking up with the hot guy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 10:57 AM
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I think the biggest issue is online dating and too much choice. That allows people (women) to be so extremely picky and never want to settle. Most men aren't actually that picky. Its women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 10:52 AM
15

This is ridiculous, why aren't they shamed like male incels
/r/MensRights17/05/22 11:34 PM
2

That's better than having the exact same odds with fewer options
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 12:16 PM
3

To find someone you like. Thats literally what dating is
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 11:15 AM
1

Society is about to learn this lesson the hard way. We shouldn't be silencing communities that allow men a place to discuss these issues. That will only be more likely to breed extremism. There are no solutions but some things can help. Namely acknowledging the problem and stop gas lighting men. And then things like prostitution and sex robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:59 AM
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If you're a man you basically have to settle for the one women in a blue moon you can get whether the sex is good or not. As a woman you can keep trying to different men easily until you find a good one. Very clearly women have it better
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:53 AM
1

Of course. They have way more access to sex in general and thus are more likely to find quality by law of numbers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/22 10:51 AM
2

We also really want to have sex. I don't understand your point, we want both
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:22 PM
2

Men would prefer being desired but will happily settle for whatever they can get rather never get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:18 PM
2

Men don't desire sex? Are you out your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:15 PM
8

Her problem then is being too picky if she can't find someone out of 100s of choices
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 09:25 AM
1

Good comparison I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:32 AM
7

Whatever woman says that is lying. She can get 100s of options within hours online
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:31 AM
12

That advice is given all the time though. A lot of people tell incel men to just be happy with friends
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 06:35 PM
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Then people should stop giving that advice because its given constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 06:33 PM
2

Depends on the looks of the guy who's asking
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/22 04:15 AM
1

I said if it was not by choice. Anyone who chooses to be a virgin is fine. The issue would be someone 30+ who has tried but still couldn't find anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 10:03 PM
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Someone who was that good looking and was still a virgin not by choice at 31 would have to have serious issues and women would avoid him
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 09:27 PM
1

"That's not game that's what grifters say. It's funny I feel like back in the PUI days shit was more pure and helpful. Listen to like a Patrice O'Neal and what they say game is. It's avoiding the shit tests. Women look for reasons to disqualify you. You gotta dodge the minefield unless it's that week when you met her (there's been studies on hormone cycles and ONS frequency that saw a positive correlation - so if a women's cycle ain't right you not hitting first night)." If you are actively chas…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 06:03 PM
1

For sure for women, but not men. If women prefer nothing, they can always just do that and be happy alone. That's different than women dating constantly and complaining about it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 05:23 PM
1

I'm sure that's true of your experience but mine is the exact opposite. online dating has really changed the standards out there, a lot of totally normal men just don't make the cut anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:47 PM
1

No kidding, but a large amount of men are reporting that they can't get anyone even though they are doing their best. Thats a broader problem than just blaming the individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:11 PM
1

But we have needs for romantic and sexual intimacy specifically. A friend isn't the same as a lover
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:08 PM
2

I'm a man with no experience at 31 and I know for a fact having a lot 9f experience at 31 would be more attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 12:04 PM
1

Some of us don't believe in breaking the law Weed is legal in tons of places
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:14 AM
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Sex is a huge part of marriages and relationships. Its what brings life into the world. It has been proven to be a big part of mental health. You simply don't live in reality. Sex is one of the strongest most basic needs we have in life. If someone had no friends, people tell them its important to find some because we all know otherwise you will be lonely and unhappy. But for some reason when it comes to sex and dating men are gaslit by people saying we should be totally happy living and dying w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:12 AM
3

Better than literally getting nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:08 AM
1

Point is no substitute for actual sex and intimacy lol. Why the hell do people here expect that to be enough? Men are human too. They need real connection too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:07 AM
1

A lot of regularcgirls like bad boys
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:05 AM
1

Nothing, if you have options for someone younger its not worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:01 AM
1

Its extremely toxic but it will always be the case. As a man its just another thing that's accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 11:00 AM
1

they don't do it because it doesn't work for them, its a waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 10:52 AM
1

Not in 2022 when every 10/10 has access to elite men everywhere. You're delusional if you think anyone can get a 10 lol. A good amount of men literally can't get anyone
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 10:43 AM
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I did, I did it to gain some dating experience but it wasn't worth it. By the end I didn't even want to smash. Its better to be alone than with someone you aren't attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:22 AM
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Yes, women want men who can get women and have good sexual experience to please her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 03:19 AM
1

I hope you're trolling
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 09:48 PM
2

Evolution says women want the best biological genes they can get which is directly correlated with looks. Like that is the entire reason physical attraction is a thing, it signals good genes. The other historical factor was resources because women historically didn't have that. But guess what, they do now. So if they don't need resources anymore, what is the main factor driving their sexual/dating decisions. You got it, LOOKS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 09:29 PM
3

People on reddit don't go outside or are in some very nerdy awkward social groups. They think this kind of insane social anxiety is way more common than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 07:09 PM
1

From a study only in the US and the poll was done in 2018. More people need to realize what they see is a small microcosm of life. ​ I mean its not like im the only one saying this though. Why you think red pill, black pill, kevin samuels, fresh and fit etc is exploding like it has in recent years? its definitely way way way worse than a lot of people think. Maybe my 50% number is TOO high. but the general trend of what im saying I think all signs point to it and I think you agree which is why y…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 05:39 PM
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Its because women think 80% of guys are ugly. The men they would call average are like top 30%
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:45 PM
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The key to succeeding in life is understanding who you are and playing your hand. If you are not the type of man women want approaching them, to approach them is a waste of time at best and immoral at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:32 PM
2

Pursuing your own satisfaction without regard for the impact on other people is sociopath 101
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:27 PM
1

Wait for what? Some divorced desperate singles mom to lower her standards and use you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:19 PM
2

Because they are human beings and I'm not a sociopath
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:18 PM
1

"Not true that passing on your genes to a woman you're married to so you have full rights to your children and the ability to help raise them is the true way to win? You're 31 how are you this lost on what our purpose is? Every species at least has the goal of making it to the next generation." I was just saying the point I was trying to make there didn't matter, wasn't saying anything more my bad. "Well the poll actually did have a category for men getting laid 1-2 times a year and it's nowhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 04:10 PM
4

Men don't approach anymore because the results are so abysmal there's no point. And it could even get you in trouble. I've had women say to my face that they don't want to be approached by random men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:05 PM
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"They count ALL men. We're discussing ALL men aren't we? Why limit ourselves to single men and leave out the men that won more than everyone else". This is true, it doesn't really matter either way. "No he's in the top 70%. Actually we're in the 25-34 age group so he's in the top 86%. No matter how many times you repeat your bullshit AT MOST 30% of men are sexless." This is where you're starting to change what I said. I agree that 30% of men are sexless. But then how many more aren't sexless but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 03:03 PM
2

its being human not mentally weak. And people wonder why men's suicide rates drug abuse and mental health have gotten so bad. We aren't allowed to be human. No matter what bullshit we go through we're just called weak if we don't fully accept it and act like nothings wrong. No normal man will go a lifetime getting rejected constantly and just be fine with it. At the very least he will quit before he goes insane
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:29 PM
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Long post but ill only pick out a few points. In the data you're citing are they counting married guys or guys in established relationships? Because that would obviously skew the numbers. Of single men, how many can get laid is the real question. Your Pakistani friend is in the top 50% then, but my argument is there's still the bottom 50% that never or rarely get women. Its just too common among totally normal guys that I meet all the time for me to estimate any less. The guys I'm talking about …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:26 PM
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Traumatic isn't the word but yes, swiping on every girl and getting no matches can take a toll on mental health and well being. And good for you but even if its not a bad experience constant rejection will take its toll on most people
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:14 PM
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Nobody argues you need to handle some rejection but modern men are facing a level of constant rejection that simply isn't good for mental health. We need to stop acting like what is going on is normal in dating right now, it's not. There is not a healthy rate of rejection, it's way beyond normal
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 02:06 PM
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Definitely disagree there, you can be hot with a boring personality. I would describe a lot of women that way at least
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:43 PM
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That was just an example, but yes I'd say most of the guys i see getting nothing are either short or not the best in the face but otherwise average and above in other areas.. For what its worth, most of the guys I'm talking about are not white and we're in America. The race pill is an underrated pill, I think white guys have it way easier. So the 30% didn't get laid in any entire year. Then how many only got laid once with some fat chick twice their age? or a hooker? Etc etc by the time you do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:37 PM
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The men im calling average that can't get anyone vary. For example they might be short but average looking and a good job so I call them average overall. But maybe having one flaw makes them below average automatically? 30% of men are completely sexless. What about the men that rarely or barely get laid once a blue moon with a fat drunk milfs but otherwise nothing? The real number of men struggling is closer to 50%
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 01:20 PM
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My experience says otherwise, I would describe most of the guys I know as average and they can't get anyone either because average women want above average men. And to your second point, this is also false. What you're describing applies to guys who are good at making friends. That doesn't mean sexual/romantic attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 12:58 PM
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most guys are average at best and can't improve enough to make a difference. It's so weird how people on this sub think every man can just become a good looking rich guy. Believe me anyone who can be genuinely happy single would just do that and not bother with the nightmare that is dating. But the reality is most people need some kind of dating life to be happy. The 'universe ' is cruel and cold and doesn't care if you never get laid. It doesn't even care of children dying from hunger
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:36 AM
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Depends. Its very possible that essentially nobody does or at least not before any reasonable person would stop. No normal person is going to keep going after 1000s of nos
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 11:23 AM
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Don't believe any man without seeing receipts. The numbers game alone doesn't even work anymore, it's numbers combined with no or low standards. If a not so attractive guy has standards numbers won't save him
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:54 AM
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I don't think a hot guy would get the nice label though. They would just say hot
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:52 AM
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100% agree with op. But society rarely does anything that makes any sense
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:49 AM
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I can't say I agree with this. At least for me I don't consider the "no standards will bang anything " guy actually successful though. So there's definitely still a difference between the attractive guy who gets women and the guy who simply will fuck anything with a hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:47 AM
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Not in 2022. I think that would actually make it worse. The unattractive guys would get rejected so much with little to zero success that it would destroy whatever is left of their mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/22 10:44 AM
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Honestly, as a man I don't have any reproductive rights either
/r/MensRights12/05/22 10:40 AM
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🙄🙄🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 08:09 PM
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I look normal and I want a relationship. Interested? Let me guess no 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 06:52 PM
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For most men yes. If you want an intimate relationship most women expect to eventually get married. The average guy will need to do that if he doesn't want to be alone
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:08 PM
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I'm saying that most guys do it because being alone sucks worse basically. You don't have anything to lose if you're not happy alone either
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 03:04 PM
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The men they aren't attracted to don't even exist to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 02:57 PM
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By all means whatever works for you go for it. But don't outright say that getting a dog can replace actual human relationships. It's just not true.
/r/MensRights11/05/22 01:23 PM
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Ehhh I'm starting to disagree with this too. I don't think we're seeing this because of the apps, I think we're seeing it because culturally and economically women are much less likely to want children and much more likely to have their own money. So they care way less about someone's potential as a father and provider. Looks become the main factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:01 PM
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Eh, idk i did that and honestly I'd rather not be a virgin. Money and careers don't mean shit when you can't fulfill your basic human desires
/r/MensRights11/05/22 12:54 PM
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A dog can't have a conversation with you, or fuck you, or do a favor or anything for you. We really need to stop pretending that dogs can replace human relationships. Its fucking weird
/r/MensRights11/05/22 12:52 PM
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I'm 31 in America and my conclusion is that dating isnt worth it anymore for most men. Unless you are good looking or very lucky, its just going to be a nightmare
/r/MensRights11/05/22 12:50 PM
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What that would mean is good looking men are swiping on a lot of different women but almost all women only swipe on the good looking men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 12:47 PM
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??? The women choose why they match with, not the tech bros
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 12:42 PM
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No it doesn't, you would still expect the matches to he more evenly distributed if women weren't only gravitating to the best looking men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 12:41 PM
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Most men are never on the pussy carousel though, most men are desperately hoping for anyone to give them the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 12:37 PM
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The only reason is that most men are alone and miserable so t's worth the risk for them. You don't really have much to lose if you're a miserable incel. May as well try it if the opportunity comes up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:57 AM
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The match rates on dating apps show like 10% of guys getting 90% of the matches
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:55 AM
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Lol. Women have it way easier because there are way more men willing to settle than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:54 AM
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I see way too many decent guys who have absolutely zero dating options. If anything its harder than people realize
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 10:47 AM
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It can't be improved because the problem is female nature. They all want the same guys
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/22 01:22 AM
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You can always keep your standards low
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:36 PM
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He wants to have sex and she's available
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 11:35 PM
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If she's not attracted to your face, lifting won't mean shjt
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 04:15 PM
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Online dating and feminism has caused women to be way more picky and thus way more incels than ever before though
/r/MensRights26/04/22 01:59 AM
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Society is in for a huge wake up call. Hoards of hopeless Men with nothing to lose is incredibly dangerous. Especially when you shame and shun them
/r/MensRights26/04/22 01:56 AM
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If you're average or below average you're going to struggle offline too right now. Dating game is messed up
/r/MensRights19/04/22 02:54 PM
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Cause men bad
/r/MensRights13/04/22 01:20 PM
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Single men have nothing to lose and won't work
/r/MensRights12/04/22 05:55 PM
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Strongly against. I support abortion
/r/MensRights07/04/22 01:45 PM
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Its how they silence men. Everyone's an evil incel
/r/MensRights03/04/22 09:23 PM
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Its a lot of things. Compare the men of the ww2 generation to now. Its not close. Feminism has promoted the concept of toxic masculinity that has gone way too far
/r/MensRights30/03/22 07:44 PM
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I mean the same things he mentions in the video, men have become more feminine and its not attractive to women.
/r/MensRights30/03/22 07:41 PM
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I've seen a lot of studies on this that try to gloss over the incel and hypergamy problem. I don't really buy what they say sometimes. From what I've seen there's a lot of truth in what he's saying. Men aren't men anymore and a big reason is some of these feminist changes
/r/MensRights30/03/22 06:00 PM
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That's like saying people are too busy to eat. Nobody is too busy get laid every blue moon. The problem is the men are incels nobody wants them
/r/MensRights30/03/22 05:52 PM
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Lonely doesn't necessarily mean you have nobody you can physically talk to, it can also mean you have no real friends or relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 01:39 PM
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You can physically speak to people but that doesn't mean you made a friend or got a date
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 01:35 PM
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They're still influenced by the cultural impact of social media and apps
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 12:56 PM
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I do that but we're talking about dating not making friends. 'Work on yourself ' assumes there's something wrong with you and if you fix it things will change and that's not always true. Also can we please stop mentioning how big the planet is. I get the point but in reality people on the other side of the world don't matter to your personal situation
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 11:12 AM
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When it comes to the topic of dating free will is irrelevant. You don't have any control over someone else's decisions in that regard
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:38 AM
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Yes you can. Ever heard of mental health and depression and suicide? Deaths of despair? You don't think being lonely causes people to die? Mental health is a real thing. Just because something isn't a direct cause of death doesn't mean its not a need
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:37 AM
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Your location determines that. And even if one isn't on an app, she's still influenced by the existence of them and it impacts how she behaves. In other words, knowing that at any moment she can go online and get a million matches changes things
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 10:35 AM
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The vast majority of guys can't be captain of the team or have a big youtube channel or a band. The majority of men are average. Nothing more nothing less.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 04:54 AM
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There are plenty of men willing to date and fuck fat chicks. But they aren't the ones the fat chicks want. Women are happier with a vibrator than a man they aren't attracted to. And it's based on my experience and those around me that I say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 03:05 AM
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The women in the real world are on tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:57 AM
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The kind of money it takes to mean anything to a woman is not achievable for the vast majority of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:56 AM
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This is actually super profound lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:55 AM
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Man there's a lot of delusional guys out there
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:53 AM
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Nah that's bs you can't just define it like that because some guys get women all across the board. Some guys slay one year and total dry spell the next. Let's just be objective. A lot of totally average men can't even get or only manage to get fat chicks. That doesn't mean the average man is a 2
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:52 AM
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Not anymore. Bottom 20% women prefer to stay alone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:50 AM
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I'm bottom 20% and what happens is nobody wants you. Bottom 20% women prefer to stay alone
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:48 AM
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Lol, the vast majority of men aren't capable of being a model or rich or famous. Its ridiculous to say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:43 AM
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False
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:40 AM
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Exactly. Say it as it is why not
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:39 AM
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Hobbies can't make up for your basic human needs man
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 02:36 AM
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Were talking about pure sex not just marriage. Women are not choosing who to fuck based on income lol.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 08:35 PM
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Yup. And then they complain there's no one for them to date because they all wanted the same elite men and the rest are now effeminate betas.
/r/MensRights29/03/22 03:08 PM
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It depends on the context. In this case Maher was talking about the data on the rise of sexless men which I think is obviously very connected to the beta male movement
/r/MensRights29/03/22 01:46 PM
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The context for it was about how many men no longer have sex or date, so it was relevant to the topic of why that's happening
/r/MensRights29/03/22 12:25 PM
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*that women won't bang
/r/MensRights29/03/22 10:54 AM
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Hes an embarrassing cuck
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 03:21 AM
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At the very least, being honest about the problem and having some empathy for the men who are alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 01:50 AM
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They're angry about it because they get gaslight and told its not true. It also causes loneliness and pain etc when you aren't chosen
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 08:29 PM
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Absolutely lol. I'm not attracted in any way to most my women friends
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 09:25 PM
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It depends if they're single by choice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 09:24 PM
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Too unattractive to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 09:22 PM
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A lot of guys don't care they'll take any hole they can find
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 09:17 PM
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Black women regardless of their status want rappers athletes and thugs. Or giga Tyrone that's 6 foot 5 doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 11:30 AM
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This is why I just said fuck the whole thing. People who think like this
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 08:05 AM
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Absolutely. As sex gets harder to attain for average men, things decline because those men stop participating and cooperating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:08 AM
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Almost every guy I know is single. See how that works. The trends support what hes saying
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:07 AM
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Social media is so stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 11:04 AM
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Agreed op, people avoid talking about it but if America wasn't so obese there'd be so many more viable options
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:36 AM
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Well I'm not a woman, all I know is they only find 20% of men attractive so the standards are high
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:10 AM
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You asked what are the standards, my answer is the standard is only the top 20% are deemed attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:07 AM
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The one that says they find 80% of men unattractive https://forums.tcm.com/topic/152035-men-youre-ugly-women-80-percent-of-men-are-below-average-in-looks-according-to-women-58-percent-are-brain-damaged/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 04:04 AM
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You must know relatively attractive girls. I see it fairly often, because women have high standards and the less attractive ones can't get the guys they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:40 AM
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Ok that's you lol, but I know women who cannot get someone they are attracted to that easily, so they go sexless for long periods of time. So again, I would think they must not enjoy it that much if they'd rather go without than have a bit more reasonable standards
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:30 AM
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Well its not just that they have standards at all, they generally speaking have quite high standards. Like they would rather not have sex at all than with most guys they meet. If they really enjoyed it so much, it seems odd they would be THAT picky. So I understand the logic
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:16 AM
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Nothing is wrong with it, I was just saying that's why people don't think women enjoy sex, because they are happy to turn it down if its not the right guy whereas men rarely turn down opportunities regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:12 AM
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Because women only like it with men they find attractive. Whereas men will fuck anything
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 03:07 AM
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Define that? Any guy talking about dating frustration is incel content?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 04:37 PM
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For not fucking fat chicks?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 10:31 AM
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But they aren't, they are preferring to stay alone than lower their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 11:17 PM
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Op im 5 foot 3 and ugly. This thread is absolutely ignorant. In 2022 you can't get away with being unattractive as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 05:15 PM
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Quality is more important than quantity. A woman at 25 is a higher value and can get a better man than at 35
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 12:06 AM
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They have options but not the same as they would have picking someone in their prime years
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 11:28 PM
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I also think a lot of women arent relationship quality. High body counts, strong feminism, fat/overweight etc etc. Bottom 80% guys dont want to take those women seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 04:29 PM
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The incentive is that it's more optimal to get commitment when a woman is at her peak. A lot of them ride the cock carousel for too long and then end up with worse options when they're older
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:52 PM
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It distributes women more equally so you get your own woman to yourself instead of chad getting all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 03:49 PM
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I'd pray she's ugly and I never have to worry about it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:40 PM
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Im just a regular guy which I guess nobody values anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:40 PM
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Good that it worked out for you, it can for some people for sure
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 03:33 AM
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Yea but like I said probably at least decently attractive. Not everyone is or can be, you have to realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:39 AM
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You're probably decently attractive at least
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 01:12 AM
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Not for me personally, I'm really good at making friends. That takes confidence. I'm just not attractive enough for anything more thats the cold reality of it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:59 AM
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Its not about the couples you see, its about all the lonely guys you don't see because they're at home or whatever. That number is massive and growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:52 AM
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Very few men are "porn brained shut ins". What actually happens is more men retreat to that once they realize they can't get real women in the first place. I'm a good example of that, I'm fairly social with meet up groups and sports groups but it changes nothing with women. It wouldn't matter if I did stay inside fapping all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 10:59 PM
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With women nothing would change
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 08:16 PM
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If brad pitt watched porn and played video games you wouldn't date him? Ok sure Porn and videogames existed in the 90s and early 2000s before dating went to shit. What changed is the prevalence of apps like tinder that changed the balance of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:47 PM
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No men haven't changed that much, what changed is dating apps giving even fat women endless options
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:32 PM
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Lol most people can't just move to new continent but I agree location change can make a difference
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:31 PM
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Its not 80% yet but I think we're going in that direction
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:07 PM
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Yes I'm involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:05 PM
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I can see when a conversation is a waste of time because we can't agree on basic premises to form the basis of the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:05 PM
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Can't debate when you can't agree on basic reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:03 PM
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Ok then you don't acknowledge reality. Whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 01:01 PM
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Your still going to be an average guy. It doesn't matter. I improved my financial situation, nobody cared. I've always been in shape, nobody cares. I meet people. They become friends and nothing more. We need to stop lying to men. Women have high standards that many of us will not meet. Let's just be honest about it instead of lying that ' just do this or improve this '. It will often make zero difference
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:55 PM
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And my experience in reality says it comes down to looks. If you're good looking women don't care if you're even hardened criminal. It's not about personality ever. That's bullshit to try to give incels false hope and make women sound less shallow than they absolutely are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:50 PM
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I've done it for 31 years you clown. It's absolutely bullshit. Life isn't worth it this way
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:47 PM
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You literally said " its probably your personality that's the problem ". You yourself said that. And that's bullshit. No. The problem is you aren't good looking enough
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:46 PM
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Yea but nobody says otherwise about men. We all acknowledge that truth. But with women there's this constant myth that they give a fuck about personality. No they don't, if they don't like the way you look they don't give a fuck about your personality. As a friend sure but not to fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:41 PM
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Ok, so if you acknowledge average men will always be average, what is the point of your advice on improving. They will be average either way and that's the entire problem. Women don't care if an unattractive guy gets a better job. They care if he's rich hence why I said millionaire. I started making 6 figures at a better job. Did anyone care? No
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:39 PM
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Women don't care if you make as you personally can. They fuck the winners, not the personal besters
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:37 PM
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I'm 5 foot 3 and all of that impossible
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:35 PM
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Ugh lol your second paragraph explains why the first one isn't true. Women that can't get the ones they want just stay alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:34 PM
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"Stop obsessing over this shit, you cannot win, you know it, we know it, women know it. Quit it, move on with your life and do what makes you happy. That's it". Even the most successful famous men in the world wouldn't be happy if they couldn't get women. Can we be honest about this? Nobody is ever told to be happy without friends. Because we know its not possible, we tell them to find friends. But all of a sudden the advice to men is be happy as incels? Its not possible
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:32 PM
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Dude no. Even tom Brady said the best thing in his life is his wife and kids. Let's stop acting like life is just peachy as a lifelong bachelor without even getting your dick touched
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:28 PM
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EXACTLY. It's like telling people in a recession to just get a better job. By definition a recession means there's systemic issues preventing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:27 PM
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We can't all be above average. Why can't we just admit some men are out of luck instead of acting like its realistic that they're all millionaires
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:26 PM
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Meh its not just expectations. Men have needs and desires. I'm into my 30s now and realizing I'll never have success with women I have little motivation in life and will likely off myself in the not distant future
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:25 PM
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Womrn date drug dealers. I never want to hear this personality bs. Women will fuk terrible people as long as they're attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:21 PM
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No you don't, a lot of men are alone and will be alone unless they settle for a terrible situation where they are used
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:20 PM
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More and more women are choosing to be alone actually. Male sexlessness is sky rocketing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:19 PM
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Exactly. We can't all be above average. Telling guys to just be better isn't a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:18 PM
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If they didn't tolerate rejection they'd already killed themselves. Men get rejected constantly
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:16 PM
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'Just be more attractive bro'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:15 PM
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They don't give a fuck about any of those things if you aren't attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:14 PM
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So improve the world and die? Whats in it for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:12 PM
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Nah man, if you were attractive it wouldn't matter. Let's be real in this forum. Women don't give a shit how good a person you are if you aren't attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:09 PM
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No no they need us for taxes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:08 PM
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Lol. We're here to wage slave and pay taxes for single moms who rejected us.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:07 PM
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Most men have standards in the basement. The reality is even fat chicks have standards most men can't meet anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:05 PM
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You mean more gaming? That's at least something they can enjoy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:04 PM
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Suicide is an option and one a lot of lonely men will take. Not much motivation in life when you're alone with no pussy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:02 PM
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The first one isn't answer. "Just get more attractive bro" isn't possible. We can't all be elite men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 12:01 PM
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Find other things to do with your life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 11:58 AM
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Because single males are the losers not good enough to get women. Nobody cares about the losers of society
/r/MensRights10/03/22 08:53 PM
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I think women should do as they want, its their life. I'm coming at it more from the angle of what happens to men when they have no hope in this area if life. But if women would rather be alone than with certain guys, I'm all for that basically
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 03:13 AM
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Yea the apps changed the dating marketplace as a whole. Even if you personally are not on it, you're still impacted. The way women and men behave and their choices etc are still influenced by the dating app dynamic. For example, an average woman is still extra picky because she knows at any moment she could have 100 options online.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:50 PM
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no shit. Doesn't matter. The dating market has changed whether or not you personally are online or not. Women have the power and extra standards no matter where you are. Women and high value men have it all right now and the more average guys are fighting for scraps at best
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:47 PM
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You would have a point if well put together guys weren't also struggling. I myself have my own house, an ivy league degree, my own car, im in shape etc etc . Still not enough because of height and looks requirements being extra high now. There is a very clear before and after at 2012. Men didn't change overnight. What happened is dating apps came out/grew in popularity that gave women 10000s of options easily and drove up their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:39 PM
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I didn't say just marriage specifically. Even just getting laid or a date, record numbers of men are being excluded. Hypergamy has made more men undesirable
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:29 PM
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Of course its their choice, but when hypergamy has gotten so bad that a lot average men aren't wanted, its a problem. Society won't be in good shape with a ton of leftover bachelors
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:23 PM
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My expectations are literally zero. But women would rather be alone than date a man they feel isn't good enough for them
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:20 PM
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Facts don't work on you? Definitely a black woman. And I don't think you understand, nobody is willing to settle. Women would rather be alone
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:18 PM
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It depends where you live and who you are. Where I live average white guys can still do ok but but average and below average ethnic people are not. My race(black) is astronomically more likely to be single than other races.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:14 PM
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The problem is they are only interested in the top men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:08 PM
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Because it means I can't fulfill my basic needs and goals when it comes to dating and family. Which means I have very little motivation in life and don't care anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:01 PM
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Well I'm not the rp, I can only tell you what I mean when I say it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 04:49 PM
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Hypergamy is when women's standards are inflated, such that the average man cannot qualify for average women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 03:23 PM
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That hypergamy is causing more and more men to be hopeless in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 01:29 PM
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I wonder if it'll ever be acknowledged and addressed by mainstream society. Like what would it take.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:12 PM
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That's way different than simply being uninterested in most men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:12 PM
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10 to 15 is a huge success lol. I've had zero in more years than that
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 12:07 AM
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Even the ones not on old still understand how much the dating environment has changed in their favor and thus also raising their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 05:02 AM
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Old still impacts the overall dating environment and women's standards regardless
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 04:55 AM
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I care about it and know people who do. No man wants to seriously date the town bicycle
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 12:40 AM
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I never said you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 08:54 PM
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I didn't say deserved, i said desired
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 08:48 PM
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That's what settling means. "I can't get the top ones I want, I'll settle for average "
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 07:29 PM
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Its an absolute myth. Just a way to cope and give incels a reason to not give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 07:26 PM
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Always comes down to looks. A cool person you aren't attracted to is a friend
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 03:33 AM
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Yea use your discretion of course but I don't think most people have a job that's so good its better to pass on a potential good match that could lead to something serious. I know more than a few people that met at work and it would be insane to think of anyone passing on that for just a regular job that doesn't care about them
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:39 PM
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Women are choosing to stay alone instead of settling now
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:17 PM
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Its objective. Being in a room of ugly people doesn't make them attractive lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 02:17 PM
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It would be stupid to pass on your future spouse for a job that you probably won't have 2 years from now
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:33 AM
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Hookup culture exists because most women do enjoy that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:31 AM
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Smh its because a single woman can still date and get sex, a single man gets nothing. You're basically asking why can't men be happy as virgins. I agree it makes sense for women to stay alone unless they get someone they want. Just a shame that means way more men will be lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:25 AM
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Yes, at least to get laid
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:21 AM
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There are probably a lot of incels here, it probably overlaps decently
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:53 AM
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There are services where you can pay for these things
/r/MensRights04/03/22 11:46 AM
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Because average women don't want average men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:00 AM
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What's the n count of the non virgin? If its reasonable easily her
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:58 AM
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The average man can offer a real relationship unlike the chads that just play the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 03:55 AM
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Well you wouldn't admit that to the woman lol. You'd act like you just like her even if in reality you're just taking what you can get
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:50 AM
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Never said anything about perfection but when people are gaslighting me about this they always say these things are what matter assuming I don't have them. Then when I say actually I do they make up some other bullshit And while women have a right to whatever crazy standards they want, it's objectively true that its causing both men and women to be worse off
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 11:34 AM
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Right now for a lot of guys the reality is grim. They have to fight for scraps or give up altogether. Which one is better is up to each individual. But I'll never blame someone who realizes a life alone isn't what they want so they get desperate. We're not meant to live alone without any intimacy or sex
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 03:02 PM
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Meh easy to say but the reality is more and more guys are desperate. A life alone isn't very often worth living so I don't see the problem with 'begging ' for what you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:46 PM
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For me anything over 10 gets dicey. 15+ and I'm not interested
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 05:08 AM
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Yes but historically it's men who are dangerous under these conditions. Not women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:00 AM
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That's true, single instead. Either way the 4 can't get anything
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:52 AM
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They'd rather be exclusive with a 7 than share a 9. But They'd rather share an 8 than be exclusive with a 4. A lot of guys are 5s and below. Nobody wants to settle with them anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 11:43 AM
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Eh yea if you're Ike a millionaire but very few are that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 01:00 AM
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Absolutely nailed this post. Why do people think ugly people want each other? Especially women, they would rather be alone than settle for someone they aren't attracted to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:54 AM
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Exactly. There are plenty of men looking for relationships but the womrn reject those guys
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:51 AM
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Obviously he's talking about relative to where he lives. Where I live its gotten way worse than it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:50 AM
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I see it now, it doesn't matter. Even if women report that, you got to look at what they actually do in a real life environment. Which is still be extremely picky
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:41 AM
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I live in a country where we have mass shootings from people like this and easy access to weapons. Also men are already dropping out causing issues with labor shortages. Men aren't going to wageslave when there's no rewards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:38 AM
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Fax. Get them back in kitchen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:36 AM
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I never did weed illegally but even if I did its a much less serious risk than getting caught trying to get a prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:35 AM
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Still in any given group most people will be average by definition
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 11:33 AM
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Ok sure tinder existed in the 1980s in Florida and nothing has changed. Let's pretend that's true. I'm not unhappy that people are using online. All I'm saying is we need to be honest about the consequences of what's going on. People are trying to sound the alarm and it's falling on deaf ears. We need a plan to deal with the hoards of left over men who will be angry, unmotivated, and have nothing to lose. That kind of thing is extremely dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 05:09 AM
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Ughhh all I see there are online dating stats showing women only want the top 20%. And this doesn't magically change in real life. https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 05:06 AM
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Even if they leave online, they still retain the standards and expectations. It doesn't change anything
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 05:00 AM
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This is just false and the data bares it out. Women are all sleeping with a smaller pool of men now. And yes, having too many online matches is way better than having zero. If women are so unhappy with it, they're welcome to be like the men and stop having sex. But they aren't doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:58 AM
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Just because it existed didn't mean it was widely adopted and impacting society. Where I live 50% of relationships start online now. You trying to tell me it was like that 40 years ago too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:56 AM
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Its a small price until a vast hoard of angry men with nothing to lose start impacting society
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:53 AM
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The lonely women can get a man whenever they want. The point is they refuse to settle
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:52 AM
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The data suggests everyone would be happier if we did. Right now men and women are frustrated with the state of things. Women because they're all desperate for the same top men. And men because so many are left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:51 AM
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I mean what are they supposed to say? Women don't want those men. The solution is prostitution and video games. And hope that's enough to placate the men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:49 AM
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The dating apps are recent. They didn't become so prevalent until now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:47 AM
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Men are trying to sound the alarm before terrible things happen. Its falling in deaf ears
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:45 AM
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Exactly this. Even successful ugly guys are struggling hard
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:44 AM
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Its not an opinion it's proven fact. Your anecdotal experience doesn't change that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:43 AM
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You're ignoring the rise of dating apps which gave women access to way more options, thus increasing standards
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:41 AM
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Those women would prefer to stay alone. Chad or nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:40 AM
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Dude these people are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:38 AM
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The vast majority of men can't ever be wealthy. Wealth by definition is rarem
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:38 AM
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You cannot meet women anywhere. If you aren't attractive you're judged as harassing women should you make moves basically anywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:36 AM
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People just don't want to acknowledge the problem because they have no solution. It's uncomfortable telling an entire generation of men to just accept dying alone
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:35 AM
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We have too many angry frustrated men who have no hope of a relationship or a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:34 AM
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Women quite literally want to share chad. Humans are polygamous. We culturally invented monogamy and its starting to break down now
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:31 AM
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You still have to meet a minimum level of attractiveness and that minimum has risen significantly. Women have so many options they don't want to settle on looks at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:30 AM
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Even if a girl doesn't like online dating, she still understands she has a million and one options. It raises her standards significantly knowing she has all the power. I see this play out constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:27 AM
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So much gaslighting in this thread. Op you're entirely correct. We're headed to a harem society with too many single men. That is going to lead to instability and danger. You can't have huge hoards of men with nothing to lose and no vested interest in society
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:22 AM
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Prostitutes aren't legal everywhere
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:20 AM
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Things don't magically change offline. A woman you meet offline is still influenced by the availability of online dating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:20 AM
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Except they're illegal where I live
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:18 AM
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Reddit is far left which includes toxic feminism
/r/MensRights20/02/22 03:09 PM
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The redpill is very mainstream, people are just afraid to talk about it loudly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 11:50 AM
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Because people are following their base instincts without any restrictions to prevent it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 11:48 AM
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......not liking your choices doesn't mean you don't have choices. It means you're picky
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 11:34 AM
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This is just nonsense. Most guys I meet are just regular guys. I have no clue where you guys are going where all these men are weirdos who can't talk. This is a myth on the internet to justify chitting on men and ignoring the real problems
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:15 AM
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They still get the attention of way more men. They have tons of options. They just only want the top guys
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:11 AM
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Same here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 03:08 AM
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There are plenty of good guys also just wanting to meet someone. My entire friend group are good guys. I feel like it's a myth that women can't find good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 04:01 PM
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At that point she should do the right thing and not have the baby. They should only have the baby when both parents want it. And that shouldn't be controversies
/r/MensRights16/02/22 12:00 AM
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That's not true but even if it was, she clearly refused to settle for someone with less money
/r/MensRights15/02/22 08:17 PM
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Wonder why it didn't work out with the men with less money 🤔
/r/MensRights15/02/22 02:30 PM
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A man who intentionally became a single father on purpose would not be praised. Women who become single moms on purpose are being praised. Thaths the difference
/r/MensRights15/02/22 01:53 PM
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This very article is praising women for intentionally being single moms
/r/MensRights15/02/22 01:49 PM
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Men that go around getting women pregnant with the intention of taking the child for themselves would not be praised ever lol I don't think its a common thing either way
/r/MensRights15/02/22 01:39 PM
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The issue is that men deserve some form of rights just like women have. It should be a mutual decision to have a kid in the first place, but its not. So men need some ability to be able to say no. The fact is many women only go through with babies men don't want because they know they will get cash and prizes
/r/MensRights15/02/22 12:43 PM
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Those aren't opposing. A single mother is still a single mother whether or not she gets child support. If women couldn't easily get child support as a single mom, less would choose to be single moms
/r/MensRights15/02/22 12:38 PM
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There is no bigger sign of doom right now than acceptance of this nonsense. Women can do no wrong i guess, everything is 'you go girl'. Whereas men even just being single are often labeled incels
/r/MensRights15/02/22 12:31 PM
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Was hilarious. Don't feel bad for those women.
/r/MensRights13/02/22 01:55 PM
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Never considered it 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:47 AM
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Yes, if you don't take basic safety precautions its your fault. Applies to guys also
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:37 PM
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Ughh just because they know where you are doesn't mean you won't get attacked or raped. Going home with someone you just met isn't a precaution.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:05 PM
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Going home with men they just met Acting like being afraid to walk in the middle of the night is only a dangerous situation for Women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:43 PM
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I'm just woke, in a clown world with people in denial
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:41 PM
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I meant you as in women in general
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 06:40 PM
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High school kids drinking is a lot less serious than soliciting prostitution bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:48 PM
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Its the just world fallacy. Especially with dating people that have success want to believe they earned it somehow to inflate their own ego. And that requires them to believe anyone who fails is just doing something wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:40 PM
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You think everything reported or claimed is true
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:33 PM
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You can get off a dating app but you're still operating in a dating environment impacted by their existence. Every girl knows they can get 100 new matches at will and it changes how they react to you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:30 PM
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If the alternative is being alone, you can't really say they're dating down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:06 PM
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We know this is false by the data. More men had sex and weren't single before dating apps. It's impossible to say women were the same when the data shows more men were getting chosen before
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:57 AM
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What waters have I fished in? How would you know
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:56 AM
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They did a study and asked men how much money it would cost for them to give up sex forever. Most said no amount of money is worth it to give up sex. You're in denial about how important that is to mental health and happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:54 AM
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Before dating apps the average woman had a couple guys to pick from in real life and her standards reflected that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:52 AM
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But then how would we body shame men in the bedroom?
/r/MensRights04/02/22 11:49 AM
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What are you talking about? The reality is where I live most people can't afford an emergency of a few hundred dollars let alone 5 grand for hookers. People on reddit don't live in reality. They're 19 yr old unemployed people
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:30 AM
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You're right Smh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:28 AM
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Where I live its not even legal so no you can't get it all over
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 11:27 AM
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Smh, yes women always wanted to date up but guess what its a big difference when they have the entire city hitting them up on an app. They weren't able to have that much choice before which prevented them from acting on their high standards. Now they do. Anyone that doesn't understand this needs a reality check
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:43 AM
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Literally any woman with a pulse. And dude no it's not men with unrealistic standards. Men right now are increasingly desperate they aren't the picky ones
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:40 AM
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You probably look good. That counts as being elite. I'm in shape social and stable and I'm still an incel..because I don't look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 05:39 AM
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Obviously there are exceptions but yes in general this is true and becoming more true. If everyone could get a good looking woman they would
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:57 AM
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What does lifestyle mean to you? I'm a single guy with my own house in a day and age where it's hard for even 2 people to afford one so that should say a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:56 AM
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I do go to meetups actually, and confidence is a myth. If you have an unrealistic view of yourself that's not confident its delusion
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:45 AM
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A chick just responded to one of my comments saying that because women have money now my job/money doesn't matter to them. And that's true, unless you get very rich, money doesn't matter anymore. Its merely a prerequisite
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:43 AM
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Yea, obviously being one of the most talented musicians ever can make up for being short. The average dude walking around can't get away with 5'2
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:39 AM
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I'm very friendly and silly and I'm very kind. I'm very good at making friends. Doesn't make any difference with women because friends aren't the same as dating
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:38 AM
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No they don't. I've had discussions with women about this. Because women are more independent and can get casual sex and child support easily, they'd rather be single than "settle " for anything less than the top men. And yes I literally don't have any standards, doesn't matter. Women have too many options
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:31 AM
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And that looks threshold gets bigger by the day. For context of who you're talking to, I'm 5'3. That right there is a death sentence in today's day and age
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:26 AM
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Me personally, I've gone well below my league to still get nothing. In 2022 average women do not want average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:16 AM
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False again. The amount of men with literally zero options, let alone options in their league is growing. Including myself, I have literally zero options
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:09 AM
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All I can say is most of the guys I know with no luck with women including myself have absolutely no issues socializing at all. The difference seems to come down to looks way more often. I have rarely seen this caricature of the guy who can't talk to anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:07 AM
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Nothing i never said there was. It would be great if men had options in their league, the problem right now is so many men don't. Only point here was just that there's a difference between you personally finding someone desirable, and someone objectively being a hot attractive woman
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 04:05 AM
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The only point I'm making is that you can't claim women are so scared and worried about being killed and raped, when they do such wreckless things all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:45 AM
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Are you going to pretend men of other generations were all smooth talking chad? Nothing has changed with men. The trope of the nervous man trying to approach women is not new. It has happened throughout history. The difference is women used to give guys the time of day because they didn't have 10000 guys already lined up on tinder like they do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:43 AM
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Oh yea I never said men don't do that, I said I personally don't do that. Plenty of men are idiots too and fuck random women then get surprised when she's crazy or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:40 AM
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Ok, by desirable I didn't mean desirable to you personally. There are guys dating fat chicks who they find desirable but in general those women are not viewed as attractive. You know what I'm talking about dude c'mon. The elite men are with universally attractive women. They have those options. I've seen these men. The average guy is not in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:37 AM
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Meh, this caricature that any man struggling with dating is a loser with no social skills is bullshit. Yes, there are guys like that but in the modern age its very easily for regular guys to just have no luck. I'm 30, I have my own house, 6 figure job, I'm in shape, I have friends. In a past generation I'd have no problem getting at least some dates. But in 2022? Its a complete waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:34 AM
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I never said anyone is justified in hurting anyone else. But as an adult you have to an understanding that their are risks and act accordingly with common sense to minimize those risks. If you don't even do that, I am not going to believe you when you say you are worried and cautious.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:31 AM
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I mean it doesn't matter whether I personally listen or not, I'm making the general point that its always men who are told to shut up and never express themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:15 AM
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you're splitting hairs. only elite men have a bunch of universally desirable options. Just because a girl is desirable to you doesn't mean she's objectively viewed as attractive. Only elite men have a lot of options with women who would be universally deemed attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:14 AM
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Yes and they do. There is no random average guy getting chased by desirable women all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:09 AM
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I just said, its a normal healthy way to express their feelings. They should do it, especially online where they can remain anonymous. It has nothing to do with fixing anything. And only men are ever told to shut up when they do it. A woman complaining about dating is never told to shut up like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:08 AM
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Complaining won't change it but sometimes people just need to vent as a healthy way to express themselves. Only men are ever told to shut up and never express themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 03:00 AM
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Smh "just be in the top 20% bro ". Its impossible for all men to be attractive to women. Women are too picky. A lot of guys will be left out as a pure fact of how dating works in the modern age
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:56 AM
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Of course but that's not the same as guys who are genuinely in demand with the most attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:53 AM
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Thats you. Other people are not in the same situation they might have other obligations and can't blow 5k to jerk off in another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:42 AM
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Texting for awhile? Are you fucking joking, you don't know someone just because you texted. And lol at "typically " aka plenty of times you just fucked a total stranger with wreckless abandon. Such precautions
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:41 AM
2

Good for you then, obviously if you're happy in your situation that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:40 AM
19

"Just get rich bro ". The reality is most people will never have that kind of money. Most people are average. To just tell every man to go make above average income makes no sense by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:39 AM
4

You don't have to risk any of that to have sex. Literally don't go home with strangers you just met. Simple as that. Get to know them a bit. Is that really so difficult? As a man I do that. Why can't these women do that if they're so worried
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:37 AM
2

If you're willing to do that you aren't concerned with safety. The most basic thing you can do is not be alone with a complete stranger let alone fuck them. As a man I'm not even dumb enough to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:36 AM
2

I said desirable options
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:34 AM
1

Well yea if you're standards are unreasonable the problem is you. Don't complain about being alone if you have sky high standards
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:34 AM
11

Most men don't have the luxury of spending 5k to go fuk a whore
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:32 AM
1

That's what was happening to op though so its definitely different. Women he's not even talking to
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:32 AM
2

Men get robbed and attacked too at night. Women think that only happens to them,?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:27 AM
2

I've seen too many women go to a tinder matches house and fuck a guy and leave to believe they are so concerned with safety
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:26 AM
2

Lol and then when chad shows up at the bar you rush off and fuck him without a second thought
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:25 AM
1

Why would that even matter? Why would what I do privately in my free time have to do with you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:19 AM
3

What do you expect? This is way guys are. You're looking for a perfect unicorn
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:19 AM
2

I get treated like shit by totally average women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:18 AM
8

Women don't take precautions..they wrecklessly throw themselves at chad and Tyrone and act surprised if ever something bad happens
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:16 AM
1

100% this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:14 AM
5

Even if its simply a bunch of decent cars, that's better than nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:13 AM
0

Men deal with that too that isn't unique to women
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:12 AM
2

As a man you can't do that either. Why are people acting like its ever a good idea for anyone to go to a strangers house they just met.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:11 AM
1

You people think women getting assaulted is way more common than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:09 AM
6

The vast majority of men take what they can get or get nothing at all. Only elite men have a bunch of desirable options
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:06 AM
14

Most men would be incels if they took that attitude. The vast majority of men can't get the hot chicks they actually want. So it's either settle for less or be a virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:04 AM
143

Beggars can't be choosers. A lot of guys don't have any options so they're desperate
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 02:02 AM
3

At random? You went up to fat chicks who never even said anything to you and were mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:53 AM
5

But that's different, op wasn't making moves on them. Did you go out of your way to be mean to ugly chicks who weren't even talking to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:52 AM
0

This is happening everywhere op. Just ignore them
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:50 AM
2

You fucking murdered this
/r/MensRights03/02/22 04:01 AM
2

No
/r/MensRights30/01/22 02:01 PM
1

No I wouldn't because I don't have any success on apps
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 12:49 PM
2

Dump her and move on
/r/MensRights29/01/22 07:53 PM
2

I would cheat
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 03:03 PM
1

Women and men are equally shallow. The difference is that women deny it more and that men are willing to lower their standards more for sex. In terms of women they just need to be more honest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 06:44 PM
1

I think society will become very unstable. Men won't bother contributing which will lead to economic issues. We'll see more crime, drugs and other behaviors of despair They'll then have to increase immigration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 02:25 AM
1

Because they want sex and companionship and a family. Normal human things
/r/MensRights12/01/22 01:33 PM
3

I don't see what the big deal is. Women don't want most men anyway
/r/MensRights11/01/22 01:22 AM
2

Not where I live, in the USA they're only like 4% of the population
/r/MensRights05/01/22 07:24 AM
30

The right to not have a kid if you don't want it
/r/MensRights20/11/21 12:44 AM
1

Inappropriate conduct and you need to tell hr
/r/MensRights06/11/21 05:25 PM
0

Single people should get something too
/r/MensRights29/10/21 03:17 AM
12

I think society will collapse
/r/MensRights27/10/21 04:30 AM
20

Women only want a subset of men
/r/MensRights20/10/21 06:28 PM
6

I do agree with this though. A society with too many men with nothing to lose can be a lot more unstable.
/r/MensRights19/10/21 12:24 AM
25

Exactly. When men have nothing to lose its unstable for society
/r/MensRights19/10/21 12:20 AM
2

Yea I'm sure all these guys are just doing it wrong. Despite all the data coming out about what women demand in men and how ridiculous it is 🙄
/r/MensRights13/10/21 07:53 PM
1

For all you know her bf cheats too. Its none of your business. Only thing that matters is if she's consenting. If she wants to smash, bang away
/r/MensRights13/10/21 07:29 PM
1

Their relationship is none of your business. If she wants to have sex with you there's no reason to care about her chump boyfriend
/r/MensRights13/10/21 07:13 PM
3

Men might not date lower tier women but they will fuck them if they're on a dry spell. The fact that so many more men nowadays barely get any sex shows its not just standards
/r/MensRights13/10/21 07:05 PM
1

He didn't cheat on anyone. Fucking a consenting girl is not the same as being cheated on
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:43 PM
1

I agree that men shouldn't be shocked when they get cheated on if they themselves have fucked cheating women
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:39 PM
1

A man with values won't cheat on his girl. But there's nothing wrong with fucking a consenting women. It's not your job to save their relationship
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:37 PM
0

What's wrong with fucking a girl who doesn't respect her bf? Thats not your problem
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:36 PM
1

Feel sorry for bros still trying to date in this environment. If you're not a good looking guy its really not worth it.
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:32 PM
15

This is false. A lot of men will fuck anything that moves but young men are having less sex than ever before. Online dating works for women and the top men that women want. The lower tier men are being shut out of dating and sex because women have higher standards
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:22 PM
2

Dude sorry but right now unless you're pretty good looking don't even focus on dating at all. Women want the top men. Focus on making yourself happy alone first so if you get bad results trying to date you won't get depressed or kill yourself
/r/MensRights13/10/21 05:20 PM
1

I'm 30 and nothings changed here lol. Its not like women can tell my life situation by just looking at me
/r/MensRights10/10/21 12:24 PM
1

Well everyone's different but I know many people now would rather be with someone they find attractive or just be alone. Including myself
/r/MensRights06/10/21 10:55 AM
1

K
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:23 AM
0

Ok so you are capable of reading, read the whole thing
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:21 AM
0

You posted a wall of text that you expected me to read
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:17 AM
1

https://www.insider.com/why-are-we-attracted-to-certain-people-2018-11
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:16 AM
1

https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/science-behind-why-we-find-certain-people-attractive
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:15 AM
1

The reason we find things attractive is that they are markers of genetic fitness and other evolutionary advantages. If you can't agree on that basic fact, good luck in life.
/r/MensRights06/10/21 12:07 AM
0

Where do you live that that's true? I hear that all the time and nobody ever cares because it's framed as 'I'm just not attracted to dark skin' which you can't argue with
/r/MensRights05/10/21 11:42 PM
1

Well but why. For example if somebody is attracted to blondes and they realize they are because of some subconscious environmental thing, that doesn't mean its a problem. They can still enjoy banging blondes to their hearts content
/r/MensRights05/10/21 11:00 PM
0

Where did I say bigotry based on sex is ok? I'm saying specifically when it comes to who you want to fuck, that is something where race is a big factor and we all accept it because of how private and personal that is
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:49 PM
0

The extent to which racism is ingrained is well documented, but we as a society work to override it and correct for it so we have a more just society. This doesn't apply to dating. Who someone else is fucking is 100% a personal private choice and 100% none of your business regardless of the reason
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:45 PM
1

Sure but environmental influence is still something nobody has a choice over. If your environment makes you like fat chicks and you just can't help it, that's still not in your control
/r/MensRights05/10/21 10:13 PM
1

If this is news to you you aren't paying attention. There's so much racism in dating and nobody cares.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 05:00 PM
2

There's plenty of racism in dating and nobody cares actually. Dating is a personal thing so society doesn't care about your choices in dating, even Racism. So many people racially discriminate in dating and its judged as ok.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:58 PM
1

I think its completely fine to not date someone because of their weight
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:53 PM
3

I agree on the double standard part. They are hypocrites for that. But I don't understand your first point. If a woman is a perfect in every way except that I'm not physically attracted to her (her face or weight or whatever), I wouldn't date her either. Physical attraction matters in dating. I don't see why women are so evil for admitting they are attracted to tall men and that's a non negotiatable for them. Now, when they end up alone I won't cry for them. But there's nothing bad about them ha…
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:51 PM
1

Incredibly thoughtful response, great argument. The only idiots are people who think something that is driven by biology and genetics is supposed to account for what can be controlled. The very nature of this shit is not controllable
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:48 PM
1

Can women control how big their tits are? No So are we not allowed to prefer women based on big tits? Can women control how fat their ass is? No So are we not allowed to prefer women with big butt? Can women control the natural beauty of their face? No So can we not prefer women we find facially attractive? Whether or not someone can control it doesn't change the fact that the biological preference is there.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:43 PM
3

Great thoughtful response You have absolutely no logic to your thinking
/r/MensRights05/10/21 04:35 PM
1

Should men be shamed for not being attracted to fat chicks?
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:38 PM
2

Agreed
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:31 PM
1

Its not an excuse its a reality.
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:21 PM
1

You don't understand evolutionary biology and psychology
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:17 PM
1

Yes and that's biological. It's not just about being taller than them its about being tall period
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:15 PM
1

What did I miss about the biological nature of their height preferences
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:13 PM
0

That's biological. A midget woman still biologically wants a tall man because biologically it signals strength and protection and status
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:11 PM
3

I excuse their preference around height because it's innate. I do not excuse being mean and nasty about it
/r/MensRights05/10/21 03:06 PM
-3

Women are hard wired biologically to feel this way about height. It sucks for short guys but I don't think less of women for their biologically ingrained preferences. That's ridiculous to do If you refuse to be friends with any woman just because of a height preference, you have to refuse to be friends with men for their weight preference
/r/MensRights05/10/21 02:48 PM
2

You should still get paid the same for same job
/r/MensRights05/10/21 02:01 PM
0

The vast majority of women have height preferences. That doesn't make them 'the wrong girls '
/r/MensRights05/10/21 01:55 PM
-11

I don't think their natural innate preferences make them shitty
/r/MensRights05/10/21 01:53 PM
9

I'm 5'3 and dating is impossible. You're a subhuman to women at this height, the equivalent of a fat chick only i can't change my height at all. The life of short men is cruel
/r/MensRights05/10/21 01:51 PM
4

No, the whole point is to become a family. That's part of it
/r/MensRights30/09/21 10:29 PM
1

Yes I'm not referring to the ivy league, those are exceptions. Even then the debt isn't worth it.
/r/MensRights27/09/21 12:56 PM
24

There's so much denial about this. I try to explain to people that when you have so many young men with nothing to lose society is at risk of disaster but they don't listen. They just call me an incel. Well I am an incel. I'm also ivy league educated, successful but because I'm short I will die a lonely wage slave. No thanks,I'm opting out
/r/MensRights27/09/21 12:24 AM
21

Its the women who will suffer. As a man porn and video games can get me by
/r/MensRights27/09/21 12:15 AM
15

Unless he's 6'5 and handsome then it's ok
/r/MensRights27/09/21 12:13 AM
7

It's not worth it
/r/MensRights23/09/21 01:47 AM
4

College is an overpriced scam that's also a factor.
/r/MensRights22/09/21 11:24 AM
2

You're not wrong
/r/MensRights14/09/21 12:02 AM
6

That won't help you brahs.
/r/MensRights10/09/21 12:05 PM
23

The feminist movement assert political power and imposed it on others. That was the problem. Nothing wrong with posting experiences and opinions on a forum
/r/MensRights01/09/21 12:36 PM
3

Lol
/r/MensRights01/09/21 12:08 AM
0

Married smart
/r/MensRights27/08/21 04:51 AM
1

Not for serious relationships. They'd prefer a virgin over these women that have sucked a million dicks
/r/MensRights25/08/21 05:34 PM
0

I don't believe that over my 30 years on this planet
/r/MensRights25/08/21 03:49 PM
3

For a serious relationship the lower the body count the better for the vast majority of men. Lower is high value men. For hookups or casual sure, most guys will prefer a whore
/r/MensRights25/08/21 03:44 PM
2

You can't really fight it. But you can make a better decision for yourself
/r/MensRights25/08/21 03:35 PM
1

The usual recommendation is some rural places in Asia Africa south America. If those aren't good anymore , nothing is
/r/MensRights25/08/21 02:53 PM
1

Or go overseas to find one, not the west
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:14 AM
6

That's one that's often overlooked but so fucking true.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:13 AM
9

A virgin man is basically synonymous with a loser. Its assumed there's something serious wrong with him. A virgin woman is often considered "prude " but also given respect as high value for saving herself
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:12 AM
4

I mean people still have opinions. We have opinions on things that don't involve us all the time. The vast majority of men do not want the town bicycle for a serious relationship and it makes sense why they don't. Don't let feminist propaganda fool you. There's nothing wrong with wanting a woman who hasn't been fucked by a million guys.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:10 AM
3

You literally can because a mans worth is directly correlated to how many women he can get. That's just the reality. Now, there are some great people who just happen to be short or something (like me) but that also reflects the reality that short men aren't valued in society. This is a black pill, but its true. If a man can't laid he is not high value
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:08 AM
0

I disagree with this one. To me there is an obvious double standard, but it makes sense. Its hard to get sex as a man so to be promiscuous requires qualities that other men will respect and admire and wish they could do. That just isn't true for women. Sex for women is merely a choice that can obtained whenever. So there's no comparable aspect of achievement. Just the desire to sloot
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:05 AM
3

Women love weddings and don't think ahead to the realities of marriage. They also often win cash and prizes for divorce
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:01 AM
1

Sexual harassment includes being approached by an ugly man.
/r/MensRights25/08/21 11:00 AM
2

Just vote with your dollar and stop going.
/r/MensRights23/08/21 05:27 PM
1

Short women still want tall guys too. This a stupid myth that Short girls want to date midgets
/r/MensRights23/08/21 10:53 AM
1

What higher purpose? Most people just work and do random hobbies. That is not a fulfilling life most of the time. Average people are not going to find purpose in their dead end job or random recreational hobby
/r/MensRights23/08/21 10:52 AM
1

Yes we are animals and this is just as much of a need as anything else. This had been shown repeatedly. In studies asking people how much money it would take for them to give up sex, most say basically no amount is enough because of how fundamental this is Very few men are happy working themselves to death without a sniff of pussy or intimacy with a woman. It gets lonely as fuck
/r/MensRights23/08/21 10:50 AM
1

There's gonna be a lot of suicides man
/r/MensRights23/08/21 12:53 AM
2

Yup. I don't know what society expects. They expects guys like me to just be slap happy despite being condemned to a life of loneliness
/r/MensRights23/08/21 12:23 AM
2

Actual dates, they match with so many guys they couldn't possibly meet them all
/r/MensRights22/08/21 09:42 PM
2

If a man needs to get rich to get something as ordinary as an average woman, the system is broken
/r/MensRights22/08/21 09:27 PM
1

Makes no difference to me, they don't like me because I'm short and ugly nothing else makes a difference
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:41 PM
1

Yes, I say so because its true. Your advice makes no sense for the reality of the situation
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:38 PM
2

The women you meet in real life are still comparing you to her online options
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:36 PM
2

Right now ugly women have a lot of options. A 3/10 woman can find a ton of 5/10 guys online
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:33 PM
2

Yea I'm sure if he was just your average Joe blow they'd be lining up for him
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:23 PM
2

I know women like that who get more dates online in a month than I've gotten my entire life
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:22 PM
2

No she isn't, she has too many options to bother with somebody she doesn't find attractive
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:19 PM
2

I'm that guy and nobody's dating me
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:19 PM
1

This just isn't true. A lot of men can find anyone including me. And I'm tired of being told my situation doesn't exist
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:18 PM
3

I'm black pill. Being 5'3 will do that to you
/r/MensRights22/08/21 08:16 PM
1

It isn't worth it
/r/MensRights22/08/21 04:48 AM
6

Of course it does but making it worse can have catastrophic consequences
/r/MensRights18/08/21 06:00 PM
3

So there's nothing wrong with a woman deciding to whore around, but then men also have the right to say that's not attractive and we don't want to date /marry someone like that
/r/MensRights18/08/21 05:58 PM
4

Yea we need to help these men, instead of shutting on them and then acting stunned when they have nothing to lose and don't care anymore
/r/MensRights18/08/21 05:56 PM
1

Don't get married
/r/MensRights18/08/21 05:54 PM
2

What do you mean? No woman is out there looking for a midget, that's just reality
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:40 AM
2

Well modern women view height as the be all end all and you aren't worth shit if you're short. Don't gaslight me and tell me everything that's happened to me isn't real
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:37 AM
2

Looks like that's true, well I'd say that happened before dating apps really took over and changed everything. I get treated like a sub human because of my height
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:28 AM
2

I'm sure being one of the most famous actors in the world made no difference for him
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:23 AM
1

It doesn't feel better its depressing. But I choose to accept reality. Moden women are extremely shallow it is what it is. As a 5'3 man, I don't ever want to here women just want a nice guy. Bull shit
/r/MensRights18/08/21 12:05 AM
2

I don't think women are trash, I think they're just doing what's in their nature. Your parents are from a different generation. Before things fell apart. I simply don't believe your sisters married kind good men with no money. Unless they're tall or something then I could see that
/r/MensRights17/08/21 11:53 PM
0

The difference is I'm actually correct. Women purposely ignore nice guys. They literally say its unattractive. "It's boring" they say. Men do not do that. We actually value good women. Women do not value good men, they value high value men even if they're pieces of shit. This is demonstrated constantly, you'd have to be blind to miss it
/r/MensRights17/08/21 10:47 PM
0

Ok, keep living your blue pill fantasy. The reality is what it is, some of us can't handle the truth
/r/MensRights17/08/21 10:43 PM
-4

You're an exception to the rule.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:10 PM
-4

They're all that way
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:08 PM
-1

Just don't be ugly and be ok marrying a whore with 3000 dicks behind her
/r/MensRights17/08/21 08:36 PM
1

Appreciate it man, hopefully things end up ok
/r/MensRights17/08/21 08:35 PM
1

Sure, but in that case don't beg for help either. If you won't fight for it why should anyone else.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:35 PM
1

The countries under attack from Germany were willing to fight for themselves though. They didn't flee and beg someone else to save them. They needed help, but they also fought for themselves. The us has been in Afghanistan for 20 fucking years helping. They didn't even try to fight on their own once we left. They have no will to save themselves. At that point I no longer care.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:33 PM
-13

It's not just the physical side its the psychological side. Wtf is the matter with people nowadays pretending this isn't true. They don't have the chance to go home, they either fight or let their country fall to evil. Men didn't back down from evil before. We rose up to fight Germany for example. Now we're all weak. Embarrassing
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:25 PM
-1

The United States already supplied the army with weapons. The problem is they were too chicken shit to use them.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:22 PM
-25

Women are not built to fight or be soldiers. Just stop with that nonsense. It's a man's job
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:08 PM
-9

Did I say they should die? I said they should defend their country. They should be willing to fight at a time like this. If they aren't, I don't see why other countries should give a damn
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:01 PM
2

They need to justify their hatred for us
/r/MensRights17/08/21 11:07 AM
-32

The men should defend their country honestly.
/r/MensRights17/08/21 11:04 AM
1

Still sucks not having your basic needs met
/r/MensRights15/08/21 11:07 PM
2

I think you're still an incel if the only way you can get sex is to pay for it
/r/MensRights15/08/21 11:06 PM
1

Its impossible for me
/r/MensRights15/08/21 06:00 PM
5

No, I'm physically able to have sex but I'm still celibate because I can't get anyone
/r/MensRights15/08/21 05:52 PM
6

You can still be an incel if you give up, as long as you are incapable of getting laid you're an incel
/r/MensRights15/08/21 05:45 PM
6

I didn't choose to be celibate, its involuntary. Women just don't want me
/r/MensRights15/08/21 05:40 PM
4

an incel is anyone who is celibate involuntarily. Most guys who are incel don't call themselves incel, but by definition they are invited celibate
/r/MensRights15/08/21 05:22 PM
11

People just like shaming low value low status men. Nobody believes in shaming Muslims as an entire religion based on the actions of the radicals. But its totally OK to do that with incels for some reason. I'm an incel, its an incredibly difficult life to live. I don't condone any kind of violence but I can easily see how some of them give in to the pain and it becomes anger and rage. I get it. We need to provide these men with the tools to overcome this, not simply treat them as the undesirables…
/r/MensRights15/08/21 04:33 PM
0

The press are white people, so that makes no sense. Its more about politics than actual race
/r/MensRights14/08/21 02:25 PM
2

In fairness that's because every racist uses black crime to justify being a racist but they don't use the same logic with white people
/r/MensRights14/08/21 01:49 AM
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notallincels
/r/MensRights14/08/21 01:49 AM
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Men are just losers amirite
/r/MensRights13/08/21 11:47 AM
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Facts
/r/MensRights11/08/21 11:50 PM
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Thanks man I'll try
/r/MensRights11/08/21 08:42 PM
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True, probably a grass always greener situation
/r/MensRights11/08/21 03:46 PM
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Just saying our situations probably aren't comparable
/r/MensRights10/08/21 11:27 AM
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Seriously doubt you're ugly.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 11:22 AM
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Are you a 5'3 ugly extremely dark skinned Nigerian? Or are you a decent average looking guy
/r/MensRights10/08/21 11:16 AM
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Obviously being extremely famous or rich changes things, but dating statistics show Asian women strongly prefer Asian and white guys, and strongly dislike black guys
/r/MensRights10/08/21 11:07 AM
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Well I have no interest in leaving the country just to chase Asian pussy. I don't have any worth to women. That's just the reality if it. I've paid the dues, I've learned, and I've accepted it
/r/MensRights10/08/21 11:04 AM
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Unless the chick has a thyroid issue, they can lose weight and keep it off. It might not be easy but at least they can do it. There's no scenario where short guys actually grow. And yes no matter what you'll never be truly attractive. You'll get used for money but you'll at least get to fuk more women like a celebrity would or something
/r/MensRights10/08/21 10:56 AM
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Don't really even cope anymore. Just live with the pain
/r/MensRights10/08/21 03:48 AM
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Dating stats show Asian women strongly prefer Asian and white men. In online dating the most likely rejection is asian women rejecting black men. It is extremely rare. Chasing asian chicks will lead nowhere
/r/MensRights10/08/21 12:34 AM
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Its not that you want people to be sad when you die. But if nobody is sad when you die that means nobody alive gave a shit about you. Meaning you had no real family or friends. Most people need relationships to be happy in life. There should be people who care
/r/MensRights10/08/21 12:24 AM
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I'm black. Asian women almost never date black guys.
/r/MensRights10/08/21 12:21 AM
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Good for you, not everyone has that though.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 10:51 PM
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When people say die alone they don't really mean dying in a hospital bed alone. They mean living alone with nobody giving a chit when they die
/r/MensRights09/08/21 10:25 PM
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Money cannot replace this. Many studies have shown men if they have choice of women/sex or millions of dollars, will take women. We need to stop that narrative. It doesn't work. "If a man could get laid in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house" - Dave Chappell My advice if someone is hopeless with women would be to stop working so hard. Only do what you need to get what you want and other than that fuck the rat race
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:57 PM
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I'm seeing a lot of comments saying "men don't like fat chicks either". The obvious difference which is pointed out constantly is that there is hope for a fat chick. She doesn't have to give up, she can lose weight. A short man like myself, I basically have to defy all odds and become extremely rich. That's the only chance I have of ever being attractive to women. As in, I have no chance lol. Theres no hope
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:46 PM
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Short women want tall guys too. Short men are better off giving up
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:43 PM
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I agree with this, but as a short man I'm constantly being gas lit about this. Don't bullshit me and say height doesn't matter or just be confident bro. The fact is because of my height I'm likely destined to die alone. Just say it as it is, don't blow smoke up my ass.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:42 PM
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Also because its inherently unattractive. Just like being a short man is
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:40 PM
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Its just frustrating. At 5''3 I have to die alone and nothing i can do about it
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:38 PM
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There is no blessing to dying lonely and alone. I'll be committing suicide
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:36 PM
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I'm 5'3, 30 yrs old now and I've completely given up.
/r/MensRights09/08/21 08:35 PM
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Not with women 5'8 isn't that bad, 5'3 is a nightmare
/r/MensRights06/08/21 12:43 PM
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We're slaves to a system and our reward is more slaving for wives and children and burying our parents? It's not worth it man
/r/MensRights06/08/21 11:16 AM
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The problem is there is no worthy reward, the hard road is a waste of time
/r/MensRights06/08/21 11:00 AM
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I feel bad for young men. Their road is rough and the rewards are barely worth it.
/r/MensRights06/08/21 10:25 AM
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Short men are treated like shit and its socially acceptable. I'm 5'3 and women treat me as sub human. I'm only now trying to undo the psychological and emotional damage
/r/MensRights06/08/21 10:20 AM
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We're expendable
/r/MensRights05/08/21 02:35 PM
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Its ok to shame men
/r/MensRights04/08/21 07:57 PM
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I took em all 😈
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:59 PM
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this discord doesnt work for me
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:51 PM
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Dude it's over. Don't bother wasting your time and effort. We lost. Just fine some joy in life and laugh when it all hits the fans
/r/MensRights04/08/21 05:44 PM
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That article is 100% accurate. They cited their sources and even referenced well known things in psychology and biology and economics You're in complete denial. Post the real link so I can see what it is. For all I know you're linking me to a virus
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:03 PM
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We don't care, we just want to keep our community
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:00 PM
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You're correct op. We aren't wanted. Men need to stop participating
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:58 PM
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Its over man. Just try to find somewhere small source of joy and live out your life
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:56 PM
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https://quillette.com/2021/06/28/mate-selection-for-modernity/ Long read but gives you a good idea
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:44 PM
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There's no study about what hasn't happened yet you muppet. But you can analyze the trends and its clearly not going to work. You can't import enough people to replace the productivity of 30-40% of American men which is the kind of numbers we'll eventually be looking at. I know that you meant America, all can say is keep it up. You'll destroy it in no time
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:40 PM
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Why There Are No Good Men Left: The Romantic Plight of the New Single Woman https://www.amazon.com/dp/0767906403/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_glc_i_SX8E5W1YNKKHAN96MR4H Where Did All the Good Men Go? https://www.amazon.com/dp/1619968347/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_glc_i_KDWY6DCG7GFKY155MPGH Where Have All the Good Men Gone?: Why So Many Christian Women Are Remaining Single https://www.amazon.com/dp/0736920633/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_glc_i_4ZJHBD4GH3DW6CF64064
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:26 PM
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A.That study is immigration as at past levels, not what we would need to do to combat a large % of American men optioning out. B. Thst study is about legal marriage. It doesn't say people want to die single and alone, which is what's about to happen at alarming rates going forward C. Ahh true colors. You want society to collapse. Keep it up then.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 12:52 PM
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A. Yes but low skill immigrants will also be net liability. They won't actually solve the problem B. More women are choosing to not have kids but many still want marriage. They aren't going to be able to do that because the men they ignored will not be waiting for them. And they can't all marry chad. C. Its not a good thing, America will collapse with even modest declines in birth rates and economic output
/r/MensRights04/08/21 11:52 AM
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We're fucked m8
/r/MensRights04/08/21 11:42 AM
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You're not paying attention. For example a lot of Asian countries are having similar issues. This is a trend popping up in many countries. You'd have to import so many men and women to make up for 40+% of men opting out. It can't work
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:48 AM
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Dudd people are in for a rude awakening. Already the alarm is being sounded on birth rates marriage rates, workforce participation etc..its barely even begun
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:45 AM
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One generation is enough to fuck things up. But unless women drastically change their ways this will only continue
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:44 AM
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No. Men quit society because it's the rational move. The end result of too many men doing that is very bad for society.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:42 AM
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Immigrants aren't stupid either. A lot of other countries have the same trend. Men aren't going to participate in a society with nothing for them
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:41 AM
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You don't need it to be a majority of men, just a good % and its closer to that than you think. Anecdotally almost every young guy I meet says some really red pill things if we talk dating
/r/MensRights04/08/21 10:38 AM
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Man A: minimum wage job, minimal lifestyle, no house, no family no kids. Man B: corporate wage slave providing for a family and all the bells and whistles Who is taxed more? Who does society need more? Who is overall contributing to the system? Man A is a net liability to society. He gets more from society than he contributes to it. Right now fewer and fewer men are getting a reason to be Man B. They don't give a fuck anymore. Not to mention other aspects of stability and safety that are at risk…
/r/MensRights04/08/21 03:07 AM
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It's not that hard to get by doing very little just to pay rent and play video games. The USA needs wage slaves to keep up the economy. It needs a lot of people being productive and taxed to facilitate the system. The amount of men out there who no longer have any reason to do anything is astounding. Its not going to be good.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:59 AM
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You don't have to live in the woods or an island. All you need to have a big impact is a bunch of men not working or doing the bare minimum to get by, refusing to date or have families or marry etc. Society will collapse without enough economic contribution from men. And right now society isn't giving them a reason to give a shit
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:52 AM
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Using the internet doesn't mean we're contributing to society in any meaningful way
/r/MensRights04/08/21 02:44 AM
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You're not paying attention. The amount of men checking out of the system is growing every day. Society can't function if a significant amount of men opt out.
/r/MensRights04/08/21 01:44 AM
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Of course it is, why do you think stuff like mgtow, red pill, incels etc are blowing up
/r/MensRights03/08/21 09:22 PM
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Its not about rejection, its about cost benefit. Women have gotten so absurd with standards that men are finding its not worth the effort. And no, its not just about "being fun". Fun people are called friends. There's more to sexual attraction and romantic chemistry
/r/MensRights03/08/21 09:15 PM
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It depends how much effort you need to put in. A lot of men nowadays have to move heaven and earth just to get attention 3/10 hambeasts. Not worth it. The slayers out there are a different story, they can get results without too much work.
/r/MensRights03/08/21 09:04 PM
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Society is in for a rude awakening. When things start collapsing they'll beg for help and its gonna fall on deaf ears
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:47 PM
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You don't need to play when you see so many men warning you not to
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:42 PM
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.....that's literally what it is. Chad and Tyrone are the same thing. Chad is white, Tyrone is black. Why is that racist
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:41 PM
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Tyrone is just a black chad. People used chad as an example all the time too. That's not racist
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:40 PM
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There was nothing racist about mgtow
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:34 PM
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Banned for too much truth
/r/MensRights03/08/21 08:32 PM
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I totally understand life isn't fair. Don't know where I even suggested it was. If it was this post wouldn't have ever happened. I don't have any opinion of myself, I'm a totally average unremarkable person just like the vast majority of everyone and I always will be. It's so fucking bizarre this obsession with self admiration. Self improvement for what? I don't have anything I want to improve, I'm an average human being and I always will be. Obsessing over the gym or something to stupid is not …
/r/MGTOW230/07/21 03:35 AM
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Life is pain
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 10:59 AM
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I don't really believe in that self love bullshit. I'm a regular person just like anyone else, I'm not special. I'm just a dude. I have hobbies and passions but they don't fill this void at all
/r/MGTOW229/07/21 02:12 AM
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Yea I guess I'm more of an incel than a mgtow. I don't want to get married but I can't even get a casual relationship you know?
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 04:32 PM
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This is amazing, thank you
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 02:50 PM
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Possibly. I never used escorts before but I beat my meat like it deserves punishment.
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 11:00 AM
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Yea I definitely know marriage or a serious relationship is a bad idea, but my question is what's a fulfilling alternative? It doesn't seem like there is one. It's depressing
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 10:58 AM
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I understand that getting into a serious relationship can have horrible consequences. I'm moreso wondering how to fulfill those needs in other ways. Cause it kinda sucks
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 10:57 AM
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A life just selfishly focusing on petty things isn't fulfilling
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 04:10 AM
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I have enough money, it doesn't fill other human needs
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 04:09 AM
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You would never say ' just get a dog ' if my problem was nobody friends. So why do you think it can replace a woman
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 03:56 AM
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This is fantastic thank you
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 03:18 AM
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Sad but probably true
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 01:14 AM
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I mean have a real relationship where we both really care for each other, like some of my friends have
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 12:24 AM
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Well I'm too unattractive to get a short term fling, I'm an undesirable I can't get anyone
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 12:19 AM
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I'm too unattractive for something casual too lol. I'm an undesirable
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 12:17 AM
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I don't have a oneitis or anything but I I wish I could find someone
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 12:05 AM
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I can't get a relationship lol I'm not a high value man
/r/MGTOW228/07/21 12:04 AM
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I really wish real love existed and I could find someone. I would really want that. But its not the world we live in
/r/MGTOW227/07/21 12:30 AM
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Vasectomy is your friend
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:42 AM
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The secret is to spend your money lol. Have some savings but don't just hoard your money for a day that might not come.
/r/MGTOW218/01/21 11:56 PM
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Wage slavery sucks
/r/MGTOW218/01/21 05:18 PM
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No point in dying with cash in the bank
/r/MGTOW218/01/21 05:17 PM
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Exactly. Reality is what it is.
/r/MGTOW204/01/21 10:48 PM
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Man if only this was true. Reality is what it is sometimes
/r/MGTOW204/01/21 10:47 PM
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Never getting married crew
/r/MGTOW230/12/20 06:12 AM
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This is exactly why I'll never marry or have kids. Being trapped like that is a nightmare. Honestly in that scenario I might kill myself too so I won't preach to the op here
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 07:49 PM
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I feel like you can be mgtow and still get the available pussy you can. Just dont commit
/r/MGTOW230/07/20 12:27 PM
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I mean if merely being single made this possible, incels would be rich. You clearly have a good job.
/r/MGTOW217/07/20 07:10 AM
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theres never a point in hating anyone. men, women, or anyone. ​ Hate has no place in this world. the fact that this even needs to be said shows MGTOW has turned to trash.
/r/MGTOW208/07/20 02:25 PM
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You're also promoting survivorship bias and assuming nobody worked as hard as jordan , but you dont know that at all. You're just assuming it because of the results.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 12:23 AM
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You're suggesting that the reason jordan is successful but not other similar athletes is because Jordan worked harder aka he deserves it but the others didnt. That's the foundation of the just world fallacy. To assume just outcomes when most things are random.
/r/MGTOW207/05/20 12:02 AM
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Lol no that's the just world fallacy.
/r/MGTOW206/05/20 11:12 PM
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if only I were 6'6 and an athletic god, yea maybe I could work around it
/r/MGTOW206/05/20 09:12 PM
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Or the world could burn out from global warming right after you die and none of that will happen at all
/r/MGTOW217/02/20 02:12 AM
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.....there objectively is no meaning or purpose to life. Theres no way there could be unless you believe there is a creator which there is no evidence for. We can make up our own meaning but that's something you create personally, not something external to pursue
/r/MGTOW217/02/20 01:53 AM
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There is no meaning , you can't pursue what doesn't exist
/r/MGTOW217/02/20 01:30 AM
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I think singles give less of a shit about their health and longevity
/r/BlackPillScience16/02/20 01:49 AM
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they're both wrong. Women are biologically wired to do what they do, and what they do doesnt make them evil. They're just naturally selfish and picky because they make babies
/r/MGTOW205/09/19 01:05 AM
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I like how they assume it's a choice
/r/MGTOW207/07/19 05:42 AM
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lol, my entire life is a failure with some occasional good luck breaking my way. ​ Let's see, I spent 3 years getting rejected from every job I applied to. How'd I get over it? After many days of giving up, I eventually kept applying and eventually finally fuking got hired. I didnt really have a choice. It was find a job eventually or jump off a building
/r/MGTOW224/04/19 05:54 AM
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Never done it, never will. I'd rather fap and use the cash for something better.
/r/MGTOW224/03/19 02:26 AM
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You cant change what you want
/r/MGTOW216/03/19 03:22 AM
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Yea MGTOW 1 is overrun with idiots that don't know what mgtow even is. ​ If you're that angry about women, you haven't embraced the essence of mgtow, which is to let it go and find something else in life
/r/MGTOW214/03/19 10:42 PM
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I used to do this and it was amazing. Now I'm more like my own therapist, I talk things out to myself. Weird but it works
/r/MGTOW206/02/19 07:30 PM
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A lot of it is genetics. Doesn't mean you shouldn't max your potential
/r/MGTOW206/02/19 07:27 PM
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Indulgence isnt going blue pill imo, that would be delusion. I think indulgences is basically mgtow. Do whatever the fuck you want
/r/MGTOW206/02/19 07:25 PM
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Of course hypergamy makes sense, its how society advances
/r/MGTOW206/02/19 02:02 PM
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I mean if you're mgtow why even care what they think? If they dont understand it they can fuck off.
/r/MGTOW202/02/19 01:15 AM
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They dont know I'm mgtow
/r/MGTOW201/02/19 02:01 AM
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Yup. No better than a dumb animal that is also ruled by urges
/r/MGTOW204/01/19 10:09 AM
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Bingo
/r/MGTOW201/01/19 05:49 PM
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They dont , they just do it
/r/MGTOW201/01/19 05:45 PM
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Well sorry that I assumed you were arguing about free will, you know since this topic of this thread is free will. What are you here for if you dont want to discuss free will, the topic of the thread
/r/MGTOW230/12/18 05:36 PM
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I've already made a cliff notes version of the logical case against free will in this thread. Some people still refuse to believe it. It is emotionally more comfortable to believe in free will and control rather than admit the opposite, so that's what some people do against all rationality
/r/MGTOW230/12/18 05:23 PM
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Ok I'll take your word for it rather than logic and science
/r/MGTOW230/12/18 05:19 PM
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You can't train your subconscious too make decisions, and even if you could there would be no way to know if it worked.
/r/MGTOW230/12/18 12:04 PM
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I agree, ban them. It's off topic and annoying
/r/MGTOW230/12/18 12:27 AM
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I'm not saying you make decisions without thinking, but the way that you think is not something you have control over. It's a result of nature and nurture. It seems like you agree with me but don't want to accept my conclusion.
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 02:05 PM
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Well you say your a logical guy, and the argument against free will is pure logic based. At the very core of how each person makes choices is their nature(genetics, brain chemistry, intelligence and reasoning skills etc) and nurture(life experiences that bias them in one way or another). For free will to exist, you'd have to be able operate independently of those things, which nobody can do obviously
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 01:53 PM
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It's good that you do that, but the reason you do that is because of a mix of your nature and nurture. You were fated to be the kind of person that's hyper logical and facts based. You didnt freely choose to be that way, you inherently are the kind of person that wants to be that way. If your nature and nurture were different, you would be different too. Make sense?
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 01:38 PM
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Even then, they've show that synapses fire in the brain corresponding to your choice before your consciously aware. So even the science points to no free will. But it's also just the logic of it. You can't operate outside of your nature and nurture, which are the inputs to all of your outputs
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 01:14 PM
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Your control over decisions is an illusion. They've done studies that suggest decisions are made before we're even consciously aware of what we decided
/r/MGTOW229/12/18 12:36 PM
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Children don't 100% share genetics unless they're twins. And even then, living in the same house isn't the same as having the same life experience. Different things happen to people living in the same house
/r/MGTOW228/12/18 11:08 PM
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We clearly don't have free will, because the inputs into our decision making are not within our control, namely both nature(genetics etc) and nurture(environment) We're all fated in that sense to do what we end up doing, and the extent to which its not is random. For example, if presented with a choice in a given situation, you might potentially do 2 things and which one you actually do is random
/r/MGTOW228/12/18 09:01 PM
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I wouldn't try to eliminate or even ignore your desires for sex/love. You have to learn to live with it. If you try to deny or ignore it, just going to linger
/r/MGTOW210/10/18 12:14 AM
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join the club. AWALT in my opinion, but "all men are like that" too. its human nature
/r/MGTOW221/09/18 12:19 AM
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Absolutely dude. When people can't have their needs met they find other answers. and why not? I'd rather lonely guys turn to waifus than shoot up schools
/r/MGTOW218/09/18 10:30 PM
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Whatever makes you happy
/r/MGTOW218/09/18 10:26 PM
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whatever makes you happy
/r/MGTOW216/09/18 02:08 PM
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That's how I feel as well
/r/MGTOW207/09/18 01:05 AM
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Hey man, welcome and feel free to message me. To summarize, you can't make yourself no longer desire women. What you can do is transform into someone who doesn't NEED it, even if you still want it. Best of luck on your journey and let me know if I can help
/r/MGTOW207/09/18 01:01 AM
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Good stuff man. I got banned like a year ago for calling out the nonsense, terrible sub that gives mgtow an awful name. This sub is much better. Actually about mgtow life
/r/MGTOW207/09/18 12:59 AM
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Goddamn epic post
/r/MGTOW205/09/18 03:58 PM
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Knowledge is power. Once you see the truth it's up to you what to do and how to handle it. But knowing the truth will always set you free
/r/MGTOW205/09/18 03:56 PM
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Like others have said, just stopped caring and doing what made me happy. Can't be beta when you're constantly pursuing your own bliss. Important note, I still don't get women but I'm a lot happier overall and that's what matters
/r/MGTOW202/09/18 10:53 PM
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For me it was just logical and I'm a very logical person so it came natural. doesnt make sense to chase women in 2018
/r/MGTOW212/08/18 10:46 PM
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Well done Op, couldn't agree. The sub is horrible. Just go your own way your own way
/r/MGTOW207/08/18 06:05 PM
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The mgtow subreddit is a joke. I got banned twice for calling out the misogyny. A mgtow sub that almost exclusively talks about women 🤔 Gives mgtow a bad name
/r/MGTOW204/08/18 02:50 PM
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C c c c ciiiis white men, fuck um amirite
/r/MensRights13/06/18 02:39 AM
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society shames men this way, and then when incels react poorly to being forced into virginity society complains about them too. its a trap
/r/MGTOW206/06/18 11:47 PM
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fucking cis white males
/r/MensRights06/06/18 11:28 PM
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being logical with women is a waste of time
/r/MGTOW206/06/18 11:10 PM
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It's like what Dave Chappell said about men mostly wanting money because it impresses women. Once they don't care about women they can be happy living in a shack and their gaming pc who cares
/r/MGTOW205/06/18 03:06 PM
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illegal immigrants arent supposed to be here.......the children dont matter deport them.
/r/MensRights29/05/18 07:33 PM
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.. .....no it's not considering the child's feelings, it's not about feelings. It's about objectives outcomes. And no, illegal immigrants aren't entitled to anything. If you don't want them to be separated, tell them to stop illegal migration. Nobody is forcing them to do that, and they can deal with the consequences
/r/MensRights29/05/18 05:55 AM
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It's not feels, there's data that shows how children turn out better with both parents. And it's not as if the father is illegally smuggling his kid into a new country , so the comparison is stupid to begin with. Divorce isn't a good reason to not let the father see a child. Smuggling your family illegally into the us? Different story
/r/MensRights29/05/18 05:42 AM
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K
/r/MensRights29/05/18 01:30 AM
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You can't debate people that don't think, so no i don't
/r/MensRights29/05/18 01:21 AM
-1

I don't blame them for having empathy, I do blame them for letting empathy override things like common sense
/r/MensRights29/05/18 01:15 AM
-4

i guess i was expecting a good reason other than "feels".
/r/MensRights29/05/18 01:08 AM
0

Empathy doesn't mean we can't enforce our laws or can't use proper deterrence to discourage illegal immigration. These are people choosing to illegally come or illegally stay in our country and their should be severe consequences for that or else theyll just keep doing it
/r/MensRights29/05/18 01:00 AM
2

If any kind of immigration leads to economic growth, why does any country limit their immigration? Japan, Australia, other countries like that with almost no immigration. are they idiots? Why doesn't every country on earth just flood their streets with all who may enter? Nope. It totally depends on the current economy of the country AND the quality of who you let in. For example, letting in endless low skill labor in an already shitty economy doesn't help. And Yes, I'll say it again. It isn't a …
/r/MensRights29/05/18 12:50 AM
0

Legal immigration can help economic growth. We can let in who we need, legally. Humanity isn't a concern. It's not anyone's human right to get into the USA.
/r/MensRights29/05/18 12:39 AM
1

I don't understand how it's unfair, we have every right to determine who gets into the country and how
/r/MensRights29/05/18 12:24 AM
5

Illegal immigration should be an issue......... It's important to control our populations for a number of reasons
/r/MensRights29/05/18 12:17 AM
2

Why are illegal immigrants so important
/r/MensRights28/05/18 10:29 PM
1

I wouldn't call that egalitarian, just different standards
/r/MensRights21/05/18 02:46 PM
5

No we're not controlling anyone. People will make their own choices depending on the circumstances.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:51 PM
4

Nobody should force anyone to do anything. However, if we encourage marriage and monogamy, more men end up with women because Chad can only marry one. It's not a perfect solution. But it's better than the alternative which is a lot of incels with nothing to lose
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:44 PM
4

It's not that men are babies. It's the same reason crime and poverty correlate. When people have less to lose they get more dangerous. The problem is female standards. They are only interested in a small subset of dominant alpha men. That's why tradionally only one man reproduced for every 5 women.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:28 PM
-1

Yes, people don't understand why marriage was even invented. It was for that exact purpose. If you have too many men cut out of sex and families what do they have to lose? It's not stable. There are no incel women. Women can have sex whenever they want because men have low standards.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 11:18 PM
2

No sex doesn't directly cause men to be violent. But it contributes to overall life dissatisfaction which yes is a big factor in what people do.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 10:56 PM
-5

Not everything has data and research behind it. This is common sense. Frustrated men are less stable than satisfied men. When marriage and other forces promoting monogamy die down, it opens the door for chads.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 10:38 PM
25

Petersen is absolutely right. Men with nothing to lose have always been dangerous to society which is why concepts such as marriage were encouraged in society. Without that the leftover men just weren't stable
/r/MensRights20/05/18 05:22 PM
4

Embarrassing
/r/MensRights08/05/18 02:20 PM
1

If you have a desire to move and have savings I don't see why not. You only got one life man. Just do whatecer the fuck you want that you have the ability to do. It's really not hard. You just got to get out of the mindset that holds you back from that.
/r/MGTOW204/05/18 02:56 PM
1

Success is getting what you want in life, whatever that may be. If you can't get the things you want in life, I don't believe there's a reason to bother living.
/r/MGTOW204/05/18 09:18 AM
1

Op there is no point to anything, you create your own meaning. The only way I believe life is worth it is if you find the things you want and try to attain it. The problem, for example in my case, is all the things you want are pretty much out of reach already and then what's the point? Nothing. For me personally I've considered suicide. But for you, take an honest look at what you want in life and if you can actually get it. That's the only way imo
/r/MGTOW204/05/18 08:46 AM
1

The mods are trash. They let it happen
/r/MGTOW202/05/18 01:48 PM
1

No pity from me. You're honestly a fool to tolerate that. To propose to her even? Nigga you're out of your mind. Get out now
/r/MGTOW202/05/18 02:41 AM
1

yea why did all of a sudden that become a sin. Like how did they sell that
/r/MGTOW230/04/18 11:13 PM
1

yea I mean according to their beliefs God made us desiring polygamy despite it being a sin.
/r/MGTOW230/04/18 10:40 PM
0

true yea claimed its a sin. weird how human nature biologically drives us to sin. God is fucked up.
/r/MGTOW230/04/18 10:32 PM
1

I dont think christians invented marriage, I mean other religions do it too. Bottom line is it's not compatable with modern society. its a crazy thing to do.
/r/MGTOW230/04/18 10:29 PM
1

yea thats what I meant. Swearing exclusive commitmment till death is nonsense and not a formula for happiness. that was created for societal stability, nothing else
/r/MGTOW230/04/18 10:21 PM
1

MGTOW is apolitical, but generally the people in MGTOW seem to be more libertarian
/r/MGTOW224/04/18 11:38 PM
1

Marriage IS a problem, because its totally unnatural and doesn't work as soon as it's not needed from a gender role perspective. It cant work.
/r/MGTOW224/04/18 11:36 PM
1

Yea that makes sense
/r/MGTOW231/03/18 04:14 PM
1

Yea I just looked it up, good deal for me it really depends on what comes out though. A lot of months I don't see anything
/r/MGTOW224/03/18 05:47 AM
1

yea how does it work?
/r/MGTOW224/03/18 03:57 AM
2

It was extemely red pill
/r/MensRights17/02/18 05:35 PM
13

Nice unrelated response to the hypocrisy I pointed out. We need to purge mgtow of the mysogynist incels, and the alt-white racists. its getting out of control
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 05:53 PM
6

nice informed response it's garbage like this that gives mgtow a bad name. PSA: Misogynist Incels, and alt-white racists please GTFO
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 05:51 PM
26

ANything that involves a minority race or culture is SJW. The funniest part, is these idiots are the very thing they complain about. They judge everything by race gender and culture, which is what they accuse everyone else of doing
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 05:30 PM
-7

how does any of that make him an SJW? Those are the facts of the film
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 05:27 PM
15

wait why is Black Panther an SWJ film? It's not even out yet so how would any of you even know? Let me guess because the characters aren't white? Mgtow needs to chill with the alt-white bullshit
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 05:26 PM
2

Well Trump is as close to an independent as we'll probably ever get.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 02:18 AM
-1

Well did you vote for him? If you did, I don't see how you can complain because he's doing basically what he said he would. In terms of his appointments, he's had some hits and misses for sure but it hasn't really changed his agenda so idk whatever
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:26 AM
2

Trump put infrastructure as a big priority this year. There's nothing to say on gun control. We already know crime is bad and bad people will always be able to get a gun in this country. Healthcare is an impossible fix , long before Trump got in office it's plauged America. And drugs yes, we must end war on drugs I disagree with him here.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:23 AM
1

What about the actual things that matter, like his policies
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:14 AM
0

Who gives a shit about his words, look at his actions. He's going after his campaign promises like a man possessed.. what the fuck does Twitter matter
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:14 AM
3

What's not to like?
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:12 AM
8

He's right you know
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 12:46 AM
1

That's why you're wrong. Look at antifa
/r/MensRights04/02/18 06:59 PM
1

you're falsely assuming some of the 100 won't get a gun in the name of extermination.
/r/MensRights04/02/18 06:40 PM
1

100 to 1
/r/MensRights04/02/18 06:35 PM
3

No we're not, the young generations mostly believe this crap. It'll be like 100 to 1 ratio. In other words, it'll be an extermination not a war.
/r/MensRights04/02/18 04:52 PM
38

Fucking cis white males fuck em amirite?
/r/MensRights04/02/18 01:52 PM
1

I agree with that basic idea, but you make it sound like some super solution where you get everything you want. Glad you aren't actually as delusional as it seemed at first. In my life, "hard limits to reality " don't care about what i want
/r/TheRedPill03/02/18 05:59 PM
1

ok, I want to play in the NFL but I'm 5'4 and suck at football. How do I take what I want then?
/r/TheRedPill03/02/18 05:49 PM
10

I understand reality very well, enough to know that acting "alpha" isn't some miracle cure to all of life's problems like this sub makes it out to be
/r/TheRedPill03/02/18 05:32 PM
1

This stuff is cringeworthy
/r/TheRedPill03/02/18 05:06 PM
6

Remember 90% of women look like trolls without makeup
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 03:14 PM
1

How many women would be attractive without makeup? its just insane
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 11:23 PM
2

no way
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 03:14 PM
0

I understand the issue here, but lets not turn into the_Donald where anything critical about Trump gets called "concern trolling" and a ban, There are absolutely some legitimate problemts with this subbreddit. MGTOW as an idea and a philosophy is fine, but this sub reddit, with its current content and people, is missing the mark in a lot of ways and I for one will call that shit out and I'd hope more of us would do the same.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:18 PM
1

I dream of a day people are judged on their individual merits and not gender or race
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:15 PM
2

......what does this have to do with MGTOW? Are we pretendeing like there arent also guys dating women or married with good jobs and careers? In fact marrried men on average have more money
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 08:49 PM
2

Absolutely Op, pretty much everything is fate and luck. All you can do is take what you got , or kill yourself
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 04:16 PM
2

Exactly, "not divorced" doesn't mean " worthwhile marriage "
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 04:15 PM
3

No
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 04:13 PM
1

Mgtow the philosophy isn't even close to misogynist. But I can see how someone that just looks at the sub Reddit without understanding what mgtow is, would call it misogynist. The sub is 90% bashing women at this point.
/r/MGTOW227/01/18 06:48 AM
7

the red pill is embarrassing.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 02:58 PM
1

I know exactly what he meant, and it's bullshit. Women dating short men or a dude with a small dick aren't walking around deluded , just like men dating fat chicks aren't deluded. They know she's fat. There's absolutely no tangible evidence to support this garbage. I'm short and my last girlfriend didn't perceive me as tall or " taller". She just didnt care that I was short The red pill likes to make up this bullshit to explain simple stuff. No, she's not magically perceiving you differently, sh…
/r/TheRedPill26/01/18 12:00 AM
1

The reason is that most men are easily contented. The thing that drives men to compete and dominate is the desire for women. once you got MGTOW and dont have a need for that, you naturally just focus on what you really care about which usually isnt related to massive status or wealth
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 04:44 PM
4

this is pretty stupid. The reason they're outraged is because trump is saying those things as president of the united states. surely, the difference between that and 50 shades is obvious. Sometimes MGTOW goes way overboard man
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 05:45 AM
12

"If she's sexually attracted to you, she'll see you as taller, broader and funnier. If you give her an earth-shattering orgasm, she'll remember your big dick, even if you are under-endowed and didn't get her off through penetration." Do you have any actual evidence backing up these claims? This is just ridiculous bullshit. Women will overlook imperfections in men just as men do it in women. Yes, a woman might still like you if you're short , but its not because she's delusional and now thinks yo…
/r/TheRedPill25/01/18 05:40 AM
3

Robots have no lists
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 04:05 AM
19

You can outsmart it already 90% of the time by fapping . The robots are taking more than our jobs
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 10:26 PM
3

nah its definitely the fucking cis white males
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 01:52 AM
7

Is it too much to ask women to say the words no and not put a dick in their mouth if they dont want to?
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 05:07 PM
1

Not Tammy Taylor:(
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 02:27 AM
1

Well yea MGTOW reddit should be about the MGTOW lifestyle, not trashing women 24/7.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 08:25 PM
2

I think it should be about our lives as mgtow men. What we do with our lives, our storied, how mgtow made our life better. Only maybe 10% of posts are like that now
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 04:26 PM
1

I could see if it was only a few funny posts as week or, but it's like 90% of posts and much of it is not funny. This is mgtow, we've already made the decision to be mgtow because we know what women and relationships are like today. We don't need to keep circle jerking to that crap
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 04:25 PM
15

Op is right. This sub has become mostly women bashing, hating , trolling. Why? If we don't focus on actual mgtow shit(everything but women), we'll get shut down. It also gives mgtow overall a bad look. They look at the content and claim mgtow is misogynist, when it's actually just a decision to do other things in life besides date
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:28 AM
3

If you must date , don't take that shit seriously. It's just too much bullshit for that
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:23 AM
4

Why deal with this nonsense
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 07:19 AM
14

Why even watch
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 06:08 AM
3

he's probably never heard of mgtow.....but he's effectively mgtow as fuck
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 06:43 PM
13

It's such an open secret that women will reject or chase guys solely for your money status and resources. Unless you are an 8/10 Man or higher, don't bother with women. They are not with you for you
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 04:18 PM
1

Absolutely loved this guy, definitely the original red pill
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 04:02 AM
1

Sure you can call it a bad movie if you didnt like it, but to be upset because women are strong and white men are....also strong(luke) is absolute SJW bullshit stuff. Its no different than feminists that get pissed off when they dont portray women the way they want. Rey is not a mary sue, but continue that SJW narrative because "muh white men no longer dominate" narrative
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 07:59 PM
1

Lol, do you realize you sound like a sjw? "Wah wah not enough white men wah wah " You're no different than feminists who complain when they want more women. Grow up and stop making everything about gender and race. Who cares what the characters look like ? And by the way Luke was still the badass who saved everyone at the end of the day, and he's a white man so it's not like it was all bad. And the women were also flawed, so not sure why you're claiming they were perfect . Rey was shown to be ig…
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 02:52 PM
1

Neocons are the ones who always do the damage........I'm not saying Trump does everything right but his basic plan is not that bad.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 02:49 PM
2

Yea only idiots want tax cuts and deregulation
/r/MGTOW30/12/17 04:32 AM
-5

He actually has some very good arguments, but if you want to ignore all that and believe what makes you feel good go ahead. His point about the force is that the series is always making shit up anyway. Kylo and Rey probably have high mitochlorian counts. Who cares
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 09:04 PM
-4

Rey isnt a mary sue, this article does a good take down of that crap. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2017/12/21/no-rey-from-star-wars-the-last-jedi-is-still-not-a-mary-sue/#163f1dc94500
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 06:02 PM
5

100% true, mgtow makes logical sense for more and more men
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 05:58 PM
7

obviously fake, but not too far from reality
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 09:55 PM
1

find shit that makes you happy outside of women and build your life around those things
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 06:07 PM
3

TFM's the man
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 06:05 PM
1

to be fair, men set those standards for women. If we stopped fucking anything that moves and whiteknighing every bitch shit might change
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 06:04 PM
5

Lol he things it's gotten worse, but "having to go through so much for a 5/10 bang" has been the case lower tier men for years now..its Just catching up now to more attractive guys too
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 02:07 AM
1

That's why I said "they really wouldn't be mgtow in my eyes". But other than that , anything counts
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 03:20 PM
0

Mgtow can choose to get married or have relationships if they want. Although they really wouldn't be mgtow in my eyes at that point. Just go your own fucking way. If your way means still dating women, do that then
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 02:56 PM
1

Even if women and marriage was still a respectable institution, I wouldn't get married or have a serious relationship for this exact reason. You only get one life and you never know when it's over. I want to do what I love and I love videogames(among a few other things). On my death bed I want to know i played as much as possible
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 02:36 PM
1

I also don't get this idea that mgtow is a hospital. No it isn't. Mgtow is for men who have already decided to go their own way. They are already healed. Mgtow is just a club for guys that have made this decision.
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 02:32 PM
2

You're supposed to go your own way. Whatever that means is up to you nigga
/r/MGTOW23/12/17 02:28 PM
1

Most people are broke and don't even have anything to share to begin with
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 05:13 PM
3

Good shit
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 10:40 AM
3

Ah so we go for the circle jerk where anyone who likes something you dont like is wrong. Another dumbass to add to my ignore list.
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 11:42 PM
4

Liking the last jedi makes me an incel? Logic, not even once.
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 11:37 PM
2

Yes Reddit movies is a subset too, my point is it depends where you look and who you're asking. I'll go back to the movies sub as soon as all these bitter pathetic incels leave mgtow . They've ruined this sub with all their garbage
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 11:32 PM
1

It's not the majority, but believe whatever you want. There's a reason critical reviews are high. The star wars neckbeards bitching and moaning are a small group
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 11:30 PM
1

Rotten tomatoes is not the be all end all. Reddit movies does it's own poll and most viewers give it 8+ out of 10, for example. A vocal minority does not speak for everyone
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 11:27 PM
-1

Most of the reaction is positive though, not just me
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 10:07 PM
2

Great post
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 08:26 PM
-5

I loved it. Each their own
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 07:48 PM
2

This is so true. Without the carrot men aren't going to agree to be used by society. Most men don't need that much to be happy.
/r/MGTOW17/12/17 07:46 PM
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