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Men don’t address the issue like you. We know there’s women out there who we want they just don’t want us, in fact most of us have never attracted one woman. You’re claiming there’s no good men. It’s not the same at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:40 AM
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I never fucking said anyone did. I just said I can’t understand when women flirt with me and now you think I’m some autist who can’t interact with anyone. It’s comical. You yourself said hints can be very simple and indistinguishable from regular actions. You’re assuming extremes and conveniently ignoring factors like looks, height and money witch are all undoubtedly at play. Especially if you’re gen Z.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:23 AM
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Ah yes because everyone in a relationship has gone through all this work to figure out social cues. I literally don’t know a single person who has done that and almost everyone I know is in a relationship. It comes naturally to most people because most people are able to naturally attract someone and learn what flirting is that way. Your argument just crumbled before your eyes when you claimed people in relationships have done all this work that single people haven’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:14 AM
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Not every social cue is the same. Social cues for sexual attraction are different than other social cues so a person could learn most other cues but still never know the cues for sexual attraction if someone has never been attracted to them. You’re having a really hard time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:09 AM
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Here to let you know there’s a shitload of men who fit that criteria. However the wait until marriage thing isn’t something a lot of men subscribe to witch is also why they try to get physical early. My advice to you is to look for a religious man in religious groups because this day in age those are the only people who want to wait until marriage. All the best luck to you! Just please stop with the “there’s no decent men left” talk. How would you feel if a guy said that about women, I’m sure yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:04 AM
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However flirting is not a basic social cue no matter how many times you say it is. It’s complex and the only way people get good at recognizing it is by being on the receiving end of flirtatious remarks enough times. I’ll say it again, men who’ve never been flirted with will have a harder time picking up on it. It’s not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:59 AM
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You can’t “gain it through other social interactions” lmao. My point is that if men have never been flirted with they don’t know when someone is doing it to them. It would be like taking an alien to a basketball game and then getting mad when they ask what the hell is going on. Bad analogy I know, but you get the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:54 AM
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I still don’t understand why there is such a huge gap between gen Z men and women if this methodology is applied to data collected from both genders. To me it’s just showing some men are dating multiple women at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:45 AM
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Describe what a good man is to you. Then tell me reasons why none of the options you previously explored are doable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:43 AM
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Would you rather be starving and have no food to eat. Or be at a buffet with loads of food, some is nasty, some is great? Just don’t eat the food you don’t like. It’s better than having no food to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:20 AM
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I know. I find it funny. Like would you rather be starving or have a whole buffet of food to choose from. Yeah you might not like some of it but there has to be something you like. At least it’s better then having no food at all. Idk if this is a good metaphor but seems to sum it up well.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:06 AM
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Same comment applies. You have slightly less single men to choose from than gen Z women. However the notion that ALL of these men don’t meet your preferences is incorrect. If you said most men aren’t decent to you that would be different but in your words “there’s no decent men left” the notion is just as ridiculous as if you heard a man say it about women. Most men on here have the opposite problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:03 AM
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Exactly. It’s comical. Especially when the man she said she wanted absolutely exists, literally most of my friends are like that. Some people just want to be angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:51 AM
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Like someone else already said. If you’re not filtering by looks then you’re simply incorrect. 2/3 of gen Z men aren’t in a relationship. You mean to tell me all those men aren’t decent? Not even one?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:48 AM
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These numbers are explained by men dating multiple women at once, no one is defending these men. But notice how women will always like these men since they possess the physical qualities they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:08 AM
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There are no decent men to date over 6ft. Refine your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:05 AM
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Previous years from the PEW numbers show a similar gap. To your point it is not as large as the 2023 reported gap. In my opinion the reason for this is gen Z men dating multiple gen Z women at once weather they know it or not (probably/hopefully) less common than the second reason witch would be older men dating gen Z women. In summary it’s lack of monogamy and gen Z women liking older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:43 PM
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You could have the best social skills in the world but if no one has ever flirted with you, you’ll have nothing to compare it to and won’t be able to magically recognize something you’ve never seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:37 PM
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Your opinion is that it does but just because you think something doesn’t make it true. Especially when you’re not a man who can’t recognize flirting. Just repeating talking points like “EI and social skills” isn’t really giving your argument any traction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:35 PM
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I’m not talking about having better social skills I’m talking about how men can be better at recognizing flirting specifically. I say it’s because of lack of experience of this happening to them. They might have great social skills, but if they’re unattractive and women have never flirted with them before, they won’t know what that behavior looks like. Like me for example, I have good social skills and friends, just not able to recognize flirting for the reasons mentioned above.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 11:15 PM
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Looks get you in the door. Personality keeps you there. A woman might like a man for who they are but if looks aren’t up to par, they won’t get a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 10:30 PM
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Almost all non gen Z men. The numbers show that more gen Z women are in a relationship than men. See the PEW study from 2023 someone put it on here yesterday but you can just look it up. Those are the facts draw whatever conclusions you want from them. The gap is huge with more than 60% of women in a relationship and only around 1/3 of men in one (for gen Z)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:48 PM
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It is that way bc most older people are in relationships. Most men in gen Z are not. If you’re short or unattractive in gen Z it’s game over. I get how that feels bc I’m in the same boat. If you’re older there may still be hope left for you bc there’s some non superficial women left in older generations. Most of the disconnect on this sub is due to age gaps. I promise as you see gen Z get older you will see more and more men alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:36 PM
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Couldn’t be more true. All the money in the world can’t buy me happiness for many men like myself because it won’t change our looks/height so we’ll be denied the normal joys of life. Maybe a gold digger will be attracted to us, but never someone who just likes us for who we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 09:11 PM
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The difference of opinion that you have is that you seem to think men can learn this in ways other than seeing women actually flirt with them and then compare those experiences to what is happening. The only way you can learn to tell what flirting is, is by being flirted with (shocker). You spoke of ways men can improve themselves in order to get better at this. Share them. Imo there’s no way to get better other than being tall and attractive. Those men have seen women flirt with them and know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:32 PM
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I never asked women to do anything. I am simply asking you to understand why men can’t tell when someone is flirting or not flirting when no one has ever flirted this them before. At no point did I ask you or women in general to change any behavior or preference. You just keep saying emotional intelligence is the reason but when I say the real reason you get mad and say I’m asking women as a whole to change. Nope, I’m just pointing out a fact and having a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:13 PM
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Good, finally an example. Like I said before because no woman has ever flirted with me so I would assume C. However every situation isn’t as white and black as that one and you can’t really blame men for not being able to distinguish since you said yourself flirting is random from person to person and anything can or can’t constitute flirting. Only part of what you’re saying that I disagree with is that this comes down to lack of EI. Instead I would argue it comes down to lack of women actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:03 PM
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Stop trying to change the subject. You said something you know you can’t back up. I’ll ask one more time. Since apparently all men who can’t tell when a women is flirting lack EI, give a specific example of how you’ve used EI to tell when someone is genuinely flirting. Try to do this without asking your husband, I want you’re real life example bc you’re the one who claimed you can do this. In fact you claimed almost everyone does this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:24 PM
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I know what EI is lol. You’re the one claiming that lack of EI is how men can’t tell if a woman is really flirting. Give an actual example of how you used this irl since you’ve been claiming you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:15 PM
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Yeah so it all comes down to this one thing you keep claiming yet you can’t even describe what that is or how to use it irl. Don’t make claims you can’t back up properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:07 PM
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Nothing and I’m not the one suggesting there’s a way to know. You said everyone except “red pilled” men can easily distinguish this. Yet you still havnt explained to me how you do that. I wasn’t the one who said I could distinguish in fact I said from the beginning I never assume anything is flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 07:03 PM
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You havnt asnwered any of my questions and instead made sweeping generalizations about men who have just never been flirted with. Like I asked before. If you can differentiate so well then please share what tools you use to do that. You claimed in your last comment you’re able to do that so please share how.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:57 PM
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You said yourself there’s no way to distinguish regular actions from flirting. Don’t expect men to read minds then get mad that they can’t. This is honestly comical, please enlighten me on how to distinguish if you can so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:49 PM
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Yeah but you somehow connected men not being able to distinguish normal things with flirting as lack of emotional intelligence. It’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:35 PM
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Difference is women get mad if you flirt with them and they’re not interested bc we’re supposed to magically read their minds. If a woman flirts with a man who isn’t interested he’ll make it clear and won’t be mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:31 PM
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You’re proving my point. Saying women don’t really flirt in any obvious ways but then getting mad if men take the wrong thing for flirting. It’s comical. Also asking someone out is not flirting, like I said flirting should take place before this. You blame men’s inability to differentiate this on lack of emotional intelligence. A better word would be mind reading. If women don’t flirt in obvious ways they shouldn’t be mad if men misinterpret things for flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:22 PM
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You can’t even answer my question that should tell men on here all they need to know. 2. Idk bc I’ve never flirted with a woman because no women has ever shown interest in me, ask someone else. If I flirted and it was unwanted I’d be labeled as a creepy weirdo and I don’t want that reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:10 PM
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I understand that just not to do it to much or make the comments sexual in any way. What is a way a woman would actually flirt with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:09 PM
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Did you even read my comment. Most men don’t have women asking them out. Flirting happens before you ask someone out. What is an example of a way a woman would flirt with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:08 PM
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I asked about flirting and you never gave a real example other than you asking your husband out. That’s not flirting and that’s not what im talking about. By failing to give an example you’re proving my point that women don’t flirt and men are expected to read minds. Most men don’t have the luxery of women asking them out so obviously they’re gonna try to get any hint they can weather the girl likes them or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:05 PM
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The irony is real. You’re lumping me in with a group of men who obviously treated you unfairly. To answer your question, no I would never say shit like that to a girl. And yes I’m proud of my actions so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:00 PM
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Right let me develop my “emotional intelligence” so I can somehow read women’s minds to see if they are actually flirting. Give an example of what real flirting looks like so men on here know. Also it’s not a me problem, as I said before this doesn’t apply to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:56 PM
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What I’m describing is people who are looking for attention witch imo is more common in gen Z women who generally have inflated egos and get off on this type of attention. This doesn’t apply to me as I don’t ever flirt with women or interpret anything as flirting. But it’s definitely something OP should note bc it clearly bothers him (as it should)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:50 PM
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Newsflash: Things or ways women act towards other women are not always the way they should act towards men. Thought that was obvious. And no I don’t set up those boundaries bc I am self aware enough not to interpret anything as flirting. Some men aren’t but they will get there in due time and ample amount of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:47 PM
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It’s not an intentional misinterpretation
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:42 PM
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That is not what is being highlighted in the post. Everything you described is part of being friends with someone, what is being discussed is flirting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:41 PM
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You’re spot on in your assessment. I do have to say that you should treat men a little differently just based on how you give compliments because men who’ve never been flirted with truely before will interpret that as such. A lot of women in here seem to think that men who are friends compliment each other as much as women do and we do not. Therefore we don’t see that as part of being friends with someone and interpret it as interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:40 PM
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Plenty both male and female.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:35 PM
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It’s interpreted as flirting when no women has flirted with men before. I genuinely don’t know so please enlighten me on what actual flirting is (from women).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:35 PM
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If showing friendship is passively flirting then I would cut these women out right away. That’s a toxic trait and just leads unattractive men on. There’s women who OP can actually be friends with that won’t do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:26 PM
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Well exactly. If one of my guy friends said this I’d probably think he’s joking or gay. If a girl friend said this I would think she’s flirting. We’ve never actually been flirted with outside of misreading comments from female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:22 PM
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This all boils down to women (especially genZ) having inflated egos and fuel these egos by friendzoning and rejecting men. My advice: identity these girls early and don’t befriend them. Girls with healthy egos won’t do this and actually can make good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:18 PM
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It’s bc the vast majority of men on here myself included have never had a women interested in us. This “women are subtle” thing is not true and meant to make guys like us feel better. I’m not disagreeing with you just offering perspective as to why we can’t differentiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:12 PM
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It is all dependent on your personal dynamics in a friend group. But women should realize men don’t know if they don’t find them attractive so they shouldn’t flirt with men they aren’t actually interested in weather they’re friends or not. It all comes down to more self awareness and respect for friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:05 PM
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Flirting is in some way expressing sexual interest. What OP is getting at is that some women knowingly or unkowningly open themselves up to this. Tbf most probably don’t even realize they’re doing it, but still if the guy tries to reciprocate that type of talk he will be shamed for it. It’s very frustrating as an unattractive man with female friends who do this because we are told to stay open and continue shooting our shot with women we like. However when we actually do this we are met with res…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:03 PM
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A friend doesn’t try to fish for compliments or be filleted with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:49 PM
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They want the benefit of your attention but not sexual interest. They only want sexual interest from chad. Just ignore them from now on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:31 PM
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Ok. I am a male. I would obviously pick the woman who is not crazy and less attractive because being crazy is a bad personality trait that physical looks cannot reconcile (at least for me). My point is that while your post is hypothetical, I don’t think anyone other than that one guy is saying women prefer unsafe men. Irl most men are not unsafe so usally the way women select their partners is by physical traits assuming none of those men have horrible personalities or are unsafe witch would rul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:20 PM
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However most men won’t make women feel extremely safe or unsafe. So it’s essentially a non factor and the tie breaker is genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:55 PM
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Women look for uncontrollable things and men look for some uncontrollables but much more controllable factors than women. This is the main gripe so many men on here (including myself) have with the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:30 PM
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What generation are you in and what country. My guess is not gen Z or in the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:28 PM
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Zoomer women are fucked in the head. Either knowingly or unknowingly sharing a gen Z man in the top 20%. Or dating out of the age bracket completely witch imo is weird af.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:27 PM
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What if we are in gen Z? What do you want us to do.
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 03:09 AM
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Maybe not true in your reality but In the reality of a gen Z American male it is real. It’s not “whining” to point out women’s preferences and how extreme they’ve become.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:03 AM
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I’m 5’9 and at least above average looks. But my personality is also naturally unattractive to women because I’m not super talkative to random people. Don’t feel the need to be loud for no reason like the douchebags women go for so much.
/r/AllPillDebate15/08/23 12:00 AM
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Reasons like height, money, looks, neurodivergent personality, are all things that turn women off.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 11:58 PM
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I’m not arguing that social skills can’t be improved to a degree. I’m just saying for young men in America it can be hard to even do this since women won’t give you a chance if you have a flaw they don’t like. How are we gonna practice when nobody opens the door to us. As the saying goes, looks get you in the door, personality keeps you there. With gen Z women becoming increasingly shallow this has become a bigger and bigger issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:56 PM
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It’s not “toxic” to acknowledge women prefer certain genetic traits.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:30 PM
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Ok. And? Nobody said it wasn’t. That mentality is something many men on here practice and it’s not a magic fix like you’re saying.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:22 PM
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From what I can gather you seem to think men who don’t have success with women don’t self improve. Most of us do. And becoming perfect isn’t attainable unless you have genetics that allow you to do so. It’s not “incel shit” to acknowledge that. Dispite this we still work to improve, just doing that isn’t a garentee to be able to attract women I feel like you think it’s way easier than it is. Must not be gen Z or in the USA.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 10:07 PM
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Yeah I know that. Women don’t like shy men. However a lot of guys are naturally shy and women just view them as awkward or creepy. If a girl is shy men don’t care nearly as much as woman care if a man is shy. And that’s just how some ppl are so all you’re proving to me is most men are naturally unattractive to women bc most men are either shy, not tall, not gook looking, or in a bad financial spot. Instead why don’t they try to look past that one thing instead of immediately making assumptions a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:09 PM
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I think with a lot of this it all comes down to genetics and your natural personality. Belive it or not genetics influence that. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be as confident as we can or as open and friendly. I’m just saying people with different types of brains will inevitably struggle as their natural persona is unattractive to women. This doesn’t even touch on other genetic factors. You said it yourself, people who are neurodivergent will struggle to improve at this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 09:01 PM
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This is exactly what OP doesn’t understand. If we had not confidence in ourselves we wouldn’t think be are even deserving of being able to attract a woman. We see our positive qualities clear as day and it upsets us that no one else can bc of some dumb shit.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 08:27 PM
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We are just grounded in reality and aware. Same way we’re aware of our good qualities.
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 07:48 PM
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If women don’t do this then explain to me why they find inconsiderate assholes attractive and make fun of men who are nice to them every day. I’ve personally seen the majority of women do this. Explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:40 PM
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Notice how you view a kind man as a pushover. Tells you all you need to know about the world today
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 05:14 PM
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The only times I’ve ever claimed to be okay with my situation have been when I was lying to myself. Although I reckon in 20 years I will have fully convinced myself I am living a normal life. It’s the path of delusion. At least that’s my experience, everyone is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:35 AM
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The facts are definitive enough that some men such as myself can self improve their entire lives and never attract a woman. Does that mean we shouldn’t try? No. It just means we have to understand what the probable outcome is
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:33 AM
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🤓🤓
/r/AllPillDebate14/08/23 12:12 AM
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Most of the women knowingly or unknowingly are sharing these men. A small minority of women do not follow this rule.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 11:46 PM
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I guarantee this woman is mediocre herself probably less than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:16 PM
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I didn’t get that impression. To me he was just pointing out a ridiculous tweet. But if that’s what u think I guess that makes more sense then people not caring in general.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 09:49 PM
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Creates the foundation of a more stable and loving society. I garentee it would lower rates of suicide and drug use as well.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 09:29 PM
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That’s crazy although I feel like most women do this in one way or another. Weather it’s with money height or looks, they always want the next best thing. However the irony is the “best thing” will never be determined by those things and that’s why she’ll always be here crying us a River.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 09:13 PM
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Well you guys can stay busy thumbing though your catalogue of men well most men struggle to even attract one woman
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:55 PM
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Current dating market just says if your tall then you must be the greatest most confident man ever. If you’re not then your a gross unconfident misogynist
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 08:40 PM
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The vast majority of women are attracted to more confident men. I would say the senario you’re describing is impossible bc women only regard the most confident men as even being confident at all. A man average in confidence is considered timid by most women. Also it has a lot to do with looks height and personality. Women misjudge confidence all the time.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 08:39 PM
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If someone you know is struggling you should care. It’s the right thing to do. A random person maybe not.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 08:31 PM
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Get ratioed. Newsflash: Men and women should both care about each others mental health.
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 08:13 PM
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Bc I would be chad if women didn’t value retarded genetic factors so much
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:51 PM
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Better looking but remember height is the number one attraction factor
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 06:45 PM
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Is it really that hard for you to imagine that dating dynamics have changed that much over multiple decades? Also when you used online dating I can garentee that it wasn’t the same as it is now. In addition to that your generation was raised with more morals and less entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:54 PM
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Women that like this will die alone bc they’ll never find their 7ft man
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 03:34 PM
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Women quite literally don’t approach unless you are in the top 20%. I’ve seen it on every night I’ve ever went out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 03:30 PM
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Bc they are fucked in the head
/r/AllPillDebate13/08/23 03:02 PM
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Lol we know that and we can’t find any women that are attracted to us. That’s why we’re on here talking about this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:33 PM
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Appreciate your perspective and I guess I am talking about above average women but for me most women are attractive to me. I live in the USA and I am a funny person but it takes a while for me to be comfortable around people especially women. The type of woman I would want to attract is someone who is physically attractive to me and has a nice and funny personality just generally fun to be around. The goals I’ve reached: I have been a high level athlete for years of my life winning multiple cham…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:23 PM
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Right but really wealth is the only thing that is work in = money out. At least that’s how I was brought up to believe and I’ve been able to make good money while still being in school with a good work ethic. Looks and height are uncontrollable. Being funny and having a good general personality is also somewhat uncontrollable, look at people who are neurodivergent for example. I guess I just don’t like to talk about the money part bc we all have equal opportunity to build that. At least for me a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:16 PM
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Imagine having hundreds of options at the tip of your fingers but still complaining
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:12 PM
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This guy said the same nonsense to me yesterday. Ignore him, he doesn’t understand the implications technology have had on modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:07 PM
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Right. But it’s not as bad bc you can improve your money. So look at it this way, I’m not rich I’m assuming you’re not rich. I’m also semi attractive in the face but I’m 5’9. If we both had money witch is controllable and we should both be working towards then you would still be more attractive than me just bc of better height genetics. So you should be happy you have that. If anything it should serve as more motivation for you knowing you can attain being an attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:00 PM
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Ok? And? Why would your experience match mine in any way? Like I said you grew up in a time before social media or the use of phones or online dating. Times have changed
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:40 PM
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Also I just looked it up it’s 15% of men who are 6ft+. In the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:39 PM
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Height looks and money in that order. In terms of personality you just have to be outgoing and not neurodivergent in any way. Notice the only thing on that list you can control is money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:33 PM
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I’m not “blackpilled” I have women who I’m friends with and I don’t resent women for their natural biases. I’m also smart and earning a degree, conversations I have with people men and women usually consist of jokes and on topic discussions. Usually I find that I can add a fact that a lot of other people previously didn’t know (not that it’s attractive/ it’s just something that happens). I can see how you think men who talk about this shit on here only talk about that irl and I’m sure that’s tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:29 PM
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I go to the gym 5-6 days a week. I practice good hygiene obviously, I’ve worked to become more fashionable. I’ve become more outgoing to people I don’t know witch has always been something I struggled with and I’ve improved on my sense of humor with women. Like yeah I can improve all of that stuff. But being naturally unattractive is a deal breaker especially when girls have 10 guys in their dms who do all this stuff and are Naturally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:21 PM
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You can try to improve, but it quite literally is what it is. It’s a fact of nature. Best I can do is live my life .
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 01:17 PM
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Nope. Average will never be attractive to women. It’s the standard of being above average in as many ways possible that is attractive to them. Shallow? Yes. Part of life? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:27 AM
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Oh okay you don’t care for people telling you what to do? Well neither do I, so don’t tell me I can’t talk about problems with modern dating here. You’re saying I’m pointing out things that everyone knows? If everyone knew what I was saying they wouldn’t immediately tell men who struggle to “work on themselves” they would see what genetic trait they lack and tell them they can work to improve but they will have a much harder time. There’s this false narrative that’s pedaled to unwanted men that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:54 AM
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I’m not going anywhere. I’m trying to spread awareness to people that think men who struggle aren’t trying or don’t shower or just have horrible personalities. That is not the case most of the time. It’s a public forum hence I can say whatever I want. You say you don’t not “like” what I’m saying but you keep responding and want me to get off the sub. I’m speaking for thousands of other men and our voices will be heard. It’s a public forum. So once again, if you don’t like what I’m writing, don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:37 AM
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Totally agree the shallowness is unique to gen Z in the West. Cultures with values have women that value different things and it shows in their dating dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:31 AM
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I’m just letting men here who aren’t 6ft know that it’s not their fault. Some things are out of our control and I speak for those men who are genuinely making an effort but cannot find success due to subpar genetics in a shallow generation. If you don’t like what I’m saying then don’t read it and don’t reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:29 AM
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Right I’m not debating anything. I’m pointing out the simple fact that women like tall men. If you want a debate go respond to a comment that poses an argument. I’m stating a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:23 AM
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I mean I’m a young man in the USA and yes every woman has different standards but the vast majority are how I described. Obviously there’s outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:12 AM
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I mean I want things to change but with social media and OLD becoming so prevalent, I don’t see that happening anytime soon
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:09 AM
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Sorry I offended you so much by pointing out the simple fact that women like tall men more than short men. Does the fact that the sky is blue make you mad also? I never said men under 6ft can’t find love, I’m just making the point that they’ll have to work much harder due to women having increased emphasis on height. You don’t like hearing about it? Don’t read the comments, don’t reply. But it’s not “bitching” it’s pointing out a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 02:08 AM
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You should instead be looking at the rate of young men being alone. (Hint: it’s skyrocketing) Those are the future old people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:51 AM
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I’m not talking about what short actually is. I’m talking about what women look for and the standards of young women in the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 12:49 AM
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Yeah and it was that bad for you imagine how it is now with OLD and social media. 10x worse, especially for men under 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:11 PM
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Lol you know what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:00 PM
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90% of gen z women in the USA do
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 10:47 PM
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Yeah that’s what I think but I also understand your POV. I’m sure it could have some positive effects but not much. Most average men are fit and working hard to improve. Go to a gym, there usally crowded with single in shape young men usally 5’8-5’11
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:43 PM
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Also I don’t really talk about these views with women I meet. That’s why I feel the need to go on here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:34 PM
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Well you can say that all you want when I continue to improve every other area of my life. I continue to try with women with very limited results and guys I know who are tall and don’t really even take good care of themselves get exponentially more chances. I’m not traditionally black pilled bc I know there’s a small minority of women that doesn’t apply to. But on the topic of height I am self aware enough to realize it holds me back.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:31 PM
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I feel like in my situation top and mid seem very alike only separated by a few things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:28 PM
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I do not believe that would help at all because women would always look to be with men at the relative “top”. If all men were ripped they would just want tall men. Like yeah I am a big advocate for the gym and it is one of my main hobbies, but muscles is just one good trait you get from it, there’s dozens of other uncontrollable traits women look at also. And if the gap were reduced they would just raise the scrutiny of their standards even more. Also I guess I’m kind of confused on this questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:21 PM
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Being 6ft is not attainable for me. Therefore being attractive to women isn’t attainable. You’re welcome for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:14 PM
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There is no way unless we could go back in time and destroy all technology. Women will see a good looking man online, and belive they deserve that man. They will try to talk to as many men like this at once as they can to lock one down. Men on the other hand will see a hot girl online and find her attractive, but that won’t stop him from finding other women who are attractive per say but not models and still want them. Women will never settle once they see the type of man they want and that has …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 09:11 PM
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For modern women being less desirable (under 6ft) equals being undesirable given they have easy access to men who do fit their standards. Why would they ever give a shorter man a chance? It’s not just women in social media, it’s nearly every woman I’ve ever met throughout college and Highschool but I’m sure you’ll find a way to discredit that also.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:41 PM
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In context short and undesirable mean the same thing. To my point women do view men over 6ft as more desirable and that’s why gen Z women highly value men over 6ft since they are given easy access to them with online dating. Gen Z women won’t “pair up” with a shorter man when she has 10+ 6ft options every time she opens up tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:28 PM
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Men are considered undesirable if they aren’t 6ft tall. You disagree? Provide me studies. I see you provided no studies. Try again Mr. Science 🤓
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:22 PM
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Since you’re Mr. Science. Why don’t you provide me 5 scientific studies showing gen z women don’t value height as the number on factor. I’ll be patiently waiting. Don’t reply without studies 🤓
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:18 PM
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Men in my generation don’t need to do a study on this. We watched hundreds of videos of women saying they hate men under 6ft and have been rejected by countless women who need to peruse 6’4 “chad”. The fact that you need a “scientific study” to prove the state of modern dating verus actually listening to what the majority of men in here say is crazy. Again, if you’re not gen Z in the USA don’t bother replying. Idgaf about your opinion on dating multiple decades ago
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:15 PM
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The evidence is the life experience of me and most other men under 6ft in my generation. If you’re not 18-23 in the USA stop arguing, you have nothing to contribute to this topic witch you know nothing about.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 07:09 PM
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Is that like 5’10? As long as your not in gen Z in America you should be fine. Assuming you aren’t since you used cm :)
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 07:01 PM
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There’s no advice anyone can give. Height or lack there of equals success.
/r/AllPillDebate12/08/23 06:59 PM
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Women especially those in gen Z are just born entitled. This is due to OLD and social media. If those weren’t around we wouldn’t have any issue. Those are the real culprits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:56 PM
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Women just mistake being shy and kind for a pushover. In contrast they think being an asshole is confident. I believe it’s not being nice that turns a woman on but being inconsiderate and disrespectful to anyone who challenges you. “Confidence” 🥴🥴🥴
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:53 PM
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Never got HGH pills to get over 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:51 PM
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True but they always are more attracted to taller men. Impossible to compete. A generation of short men will not reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:28 PM
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Positive in the sense of making joke memes or positive in the sense of women liking us? You can also open TikTok today and see hundreds of videos of women saying they hate men under 6ft. Short king memes don’t mean shit and don’t effect my life
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:24 PM
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I’m not gonna get mad at you since you’re from a different generation so I get how this is confusing. Basically with online dating. More men are on there than women causing the women to hyperfixate on physical conditions to narrow down the pool. The men who meet those conditions have the majority of sex. If people matched up 1 to one monogamously today this sub likely wouldn’t even exist. It’s the death of monogamy and insane standards that cause issues for young men today. Look up the 80/20 rul…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:19 PM
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Why don’t you make an argument then. Also you never answered my question. You’re probably over 30. See ya!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:05 PM
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Congratulations
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:04 PM
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Elaborate on why this is false since every guy I know aggrees with this. Also what generation are you in?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:02 PM
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Read what I wrote. They didn’t learn tall men exist. They were just given a platform to talk to all tall men in their area and see their friends dating tall men making them want tall men more. Social media and online dating are to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 06:01 PM
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From the ratio you can tell it’s true. Just bc you haven’t experienced it, doesn’t mean it’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:43 PM
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True if your 18-22 in the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:39 PM
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Bro nobody is saying the biology of women changed. The reason they want men who are so tall is because they are able to easily access these men through OLD/Social Media. They see other women with these men and they want to date them too. It causes a domino effect and that is also why the 80/20 rule is worse now for gen Z than it’s ever been. Of course you find it hard to believe because you’re from a generation where women couldn’t just open their phone and have 10 guys talking to them at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:29 PM
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They’re not a part of gen Z, dating women who are in the minority who don’t care about height, or they’re not in the USA. If those men were in my generation they would likely fail to attract any women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:23 PM
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Women see it how you’re height is compared to other men. You cannot be tall to them unless you are taller than most other men. At least in my generation
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 05:02 PM
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Maybe in Asia lol. In the USA the bar is 6ft if you’re 18-22
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:58 PM
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Women In gen Z in the USA. Not everyone, but my demographic
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:57 PM
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Well I’m the same height but I’m in gen Z and living in the USA. Women in that demographic want men over 6ft since they’re entitled and immature
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:34 PM
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Women consider men to be short if they’re not 6ft
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:15 PM
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Harder for a man since you must check every box. As a woman you only need to be baseline attractive and have a good personality, women demand much more than this from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:42 PM
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It’s called being completely retarded. These are the women who will end up alone with 10 cats. Crazy to me how gen Z women in the USA actually reject men based on their birthday. As if height and looks didn’t already make it bad enough, now my own birthday is a turn off. Fucking shit world
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:56 PM
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Women pretty much require you to be chad in every area of your life. Women will always like the same select few men and they aren’t shy or nerdy. It’s fucked up how they perceive being a douche for confidence but then will say that a respectful guy “isn’t assertive enough”. End of the day it’s all genetics and I think you’re getting at that but have focused on social nuances. Obviously the more social guys will attract more women since women universally view this as attractive. They also univers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:52 PM
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That would never happen now. A girl who likes tall guys now opens her phone and gets a roster of every dude over 6’0 in a 5 mile radius of them. Any man under needs to just pray they find a girl who doesn’t care about height
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 02:04 AM
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It does seem to be a problem exclusively in America. At least that’s the only place I know for a fact it goes on, other countries can be different
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:57 AM
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It’s more indirect and it’s been seen more on social media, women saying they find short men “disgusting” and what not. Not trying to be disrespectful but gen Z is in an entire different world than boomers. The online dynamics weren’t messing things up for you back in the day. Just the way it is, there’s no more or less good or bad men then there was in your generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:06 AM
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Problem is. Most women are poor at recognizing this and mistake being disrespectful or inconsiderate for confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:02 AM
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American women especially in gen Z have higher standards and more height bias. This is due to online dating and a degradation of our morals and culture. 80/20 here is worse especially for young people although I’d imagine it isn’t like this in every country.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 01:00 AM
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It’s because this is the only place for men women don’t want where we can even make small criticisms on women’s standards. Imo the height bias is a much more gen z type thing. Women have every right to like what they want but they don’t need to take it to the extreme and show hate towards men just because they were born a certain way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 12:55 AM
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In my original example I said given a 7 and a 10 I would choose the 7 if she’s nice and the 10 is a total bitch. You said “you’d choose the 7 bc you’ll get off either way”. I told you to revisit that exchange and if you couldn’t tell the point was about personality then I think you need a read lesson
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:02 PM
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If all women were like how you’re saying then they would all just try to enter a relationship with the most attractive men they see at any time. Unfortunately there’s something called personalities and you seem to think a man can’t have that if he’s not a 10
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:48 PM
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But notice how you said you think any normal person would choose based solely on attraction. You could’ve said “whoever I enjoy being around more” you’re just shallow it’s time to admit it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:43 PM
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Nope. A normal non shallow person would choose based on who they like spending time with more and that’s not based solely on attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:41 PM
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It’s the fact that you care some much about looks witch I was able to gather from the overall sentiment of your argument. Take a minute to read over what you said especially the example I gave with the two girls. You saying men just want to get their rocks off is the definition of a bad faith debater bc you are trying to paint us as monsters who care about nothing else
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:33 PM
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I never said the conditions were mutually exclusive I just said looks are always the tiebreaker for most women. Not the same for men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:26 PM
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Lol have a good night. Sounds like you can’t recognize relationships are built on more than just getting fucked. Until you can mature past a 16 year old, no man will want you in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:22 PM
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Yeah but you also suggested constantly that a woman should go with the most attractive man no matter what. And I just think that’s super shallow, seems like I struck a nerve. Of course they should only have sex with men they’re attracted to. But that doesn’t mean they should only pick the most attractive man if they’re attracted to both.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:18 PM
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Learn to fucking read them then
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:14 PM
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Continue living in a fantasy world. You seem to think attraction doesn’t matter for men like it does for women. Lol I’d choose the 7/10 “bc I’d get off either way” it’s clear you’re just a lot more superficial than me bc a 7 is still attractive and if she’s nice and funny then I see her as more attractive than a girl who’s a total bitch and a 10/10. Seems like you just have insanely high standards if you say that about above average people and think the only thing that men care about is getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:05 PM
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I do. Hasn’t helped so far I’m 0/10 and I don’t even go for girls out of my league. It’s just like they always have 5 other guys talking to them at any given time and it’s impossible to be best out of all of those guys especially if you aren’t 6ft.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:28 PM
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I talk to my dad and brother about it. Dad is too old to be in touch with todays dating. Brother is too much better looking (although I’m taller 😂)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 09:26 PM
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I understand it perfectly. Even if a man meets a woman’s ridiculous standards, if a more attractive man comes along she’ll leave right away for him. For me and many other men, we don’t have low standards, but if one girl was 7/10 with a great personality and another was 9/10 with a normal personality, I’d go for the first one. You on the other hand would not, because like you said, women always choose the man they’re most attracted to physically. For men physical attraction is one factor along s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:45 PM
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I’ve asked out women in friends with from school just by asking if they want to get drinks or hangout. I’m not doing anything right or wrong I just have bad genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:29 PM
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You’re a fool. You women will always choose the man you’re most attracted to and that’s why you’ll continue to get played. Look at personality also and you can find attractive loyal men but women will overlook all the good men to go for Chad, get cheated on, then complain there’s no good men left online. You literally just said women will always choose the man they’re more attracted to. Thanks for proving women are completely shallow and don’t value personalities whatsoever, no wonder they like …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:28 PM
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My point is that a woman could be attracted to two men on a baseline level and she’ll choose the guy who attracts her more. If two girls are attractive to a man, he’ll choose the one with better personality. We’re less shallow and that’s why you don’t catch guys saying “girls with no ass are disgusting” but women say that about short men all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 08:09 PM
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It’s just funny because guys have so much lower standards. All they really want is a nice girl with decent looks. Women want looks, height (witch doesn’t have anything to do with looks) Thank you for making it clear to everyone on here that a woman cannot be attracted to a man if he’s not chad in every category possible. It would make a lot more sense if they actually cared about the substance of personalities not the height of our limbs. Women who fixate on this so much will probably end up alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:39 PM
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It boils down to the fact that women can’t look past you lacking one thing. Men can. Women could still lack traits I like, but if they have other good stuff going on I’ll still like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:10 PM
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Women can’t look past height. Men could have everything else going but they get hung up on stuff we can’t control. Even if you have a good personal connection, better hope 6’4 chad doesn’t talk to the girl you like
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:07 PM
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Because most women rule out all men under 6ft it’s not fair. I don’t rule out all girls with no ass or tits and can still be attracted to them because I’m attracted to substance of character also. Women can’t look past it, if you don’t check every physical box, you’re done.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:29 PM
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It’s true. Most women who think this way end up being unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:30 PM
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It’s not cap it’s just a part of the new generation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:26 PM
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It’s not about being short it’s about every girl I’ve ever asked out on a date saying no. Obviously I’ll never have a relationship with a woman for whatever reason and yes that will cause me to be unhappy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:25 PM
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I believe marriage and a family is an answer. With that said I would be okay with just having any relationship with someone and I know I’ll never be able to bc ever girl I’ve ever asked out has said no
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:24 PM
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You’re basically just telling me to try to get used to the idea of not getting married and that’s somehow ok? Every adult I know is in a normal marriage. If my genes are so inferior no woman will even let me take them on a date. I should gtfo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:12 PM
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Well I’m 20 and the generation of girls I grew up with think this way. The reason you’ve never heard it is bc you’re nearly a decade older
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:08 PM
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I go to the gym 6 days a week. I can bench 250 pounds. I weigh 165 pounds. I have been told I’m good looking and funny but assuming one or none of those things are true bc otherwise not every women would not like me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:07 PM
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Didn’t lie just don’t have to explain something so obvious to someone like 10 years older than me who obviously didn’t grow up with this going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:56 PM
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Welcome to the real world where not everything needs to be confirmed by a study. Just go out to a college bar this week. You’ll see what I’m talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:42 PM
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I just want to be with someone I love and start a family. That’s most men’s only goal in life. I obviously have other goals too, but if I can’t do that I will feel like a failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:57 PM
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🤓🤓🤓. Enough evidence for me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:56 PM
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😂😂. Wearing lifts is not the same as you putting on makeup. The fucking fact that even with lifts I’m still under 6ft and women only give a shit about height. Once I take them off they’ll see my real height and take note. I’ve seen this happen before. Like I said I used to wear lifts
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:55 PM
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It’s part of the new generation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:53 PM
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Ur good bro no woman has ever liked me so I won’t be giving anyone a bad time. There’s other ways to be happy yeah but this is the main thing that makes me sad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:42 PM
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I’ve tried that. They are uncomfortable and people can tell you’re wearing them. Also I don’t want a girl to only like me when my lifts are on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:41 PM
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My entire life supports this claim. I have nothing to prove to you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:40 PM
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How? What do you say to men who have tried and can’t find anyone who likes them because of uncontrollable genetic factors. And don’t say self improve I’m already doing that at the fastest rate possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:06 PM
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It doesn’t happen everytime I get rejected, but it has happened. And I’m 5’9.5 not even short. American women are mentally unstable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:04 PM
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Not in the majority of cases. Cannot be compared to height for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:39 PM
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No that was a joke. There’s no real reason for why they think this it doesn’t add any type of advantage yet they make it a requirement to be above average in height. Witch then leads to a lot of average or short men to being alone forever. Witch leads to them killing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:36 PM
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It’s comical
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:31 PM
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Genuinely think what? That women are stupid. Yeah I think that. They think tall men are dominant and never even give me the time of day when in reality I’m more dominant than most of those guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:29 PM
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I’ve attempted to control everything I can and will continue to do what I can. I don’t want to die alone, but that gets more likely every day
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:28 PM
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Congrats then you are in a small minority and will have better success dating since the majority of women find men under 6ft unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:27 PM
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I expect women to be fit since I am. That seems reasonable. Idc about if they’re broke since my family’s wealthy and am being set up to get a great job right now. Also body count is something you can control. Although I’m not gonna ask or care as long as the girl isn’t acting like a whore. Basically I don’t even give a shit about most of the stuff you mentioned other than being fat. And that can’t be compared with unchangable genetic traits. No excuse for anyone to be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:26 PM
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Difference is. Young women in the USA are entitled. Think they all deserve men over 6ft even though that’s like 15% of all men. Idk how it is in Eastern Europe, I never been there. I will say that being 5’9 in the USA is a significant disadvantage if you’re under 25 and I know that for a fact
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:22 PM
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Are you early 20s in the USA?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:18 PM
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I know for a fact. This has happened about 10 times all with different women. A generation of men will die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:18 PM
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Accept that the vast majority of women have height as the number one priority. If I can’t convince you then why don’t you ask hundreds of other men like me. 18-22 in the USA. Clearly my life experiences don’t mean shit to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:17 PM
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It’s hurts you in the USA Today with women 18-22. It’s all about height. Being average is equivalent to being below average for women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:15 PM
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I know what happened in each situation
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:14 PM
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The issue is that I can be desirable in multiple ways. And I can see that I should be. However it’s my lack of genetics that women seem to put more wieght on that outweigh my other good traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:13 PM
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“We”? Bro we didn’t establish anything. You’re just trying to somehow say women don’t care about height. In other news, the sky is also red
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:12 PM
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Maybe you doubt it because you aren’t in my same demographic interacting with the women I am. I’ve seen it way too much to not know that height is the number one factor for the vast majority of women. And yes, they reject you for it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:10 PM
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Not all but a vast majority and I don’t represent all men but my friend group has a lot of shared experiences and those are common among men my age
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:17 AM
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Being 18-21 in the USA and under 6ft makes most women my age rule me out automatically
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:09 AM
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Right and I hate when they say it’s about dominance. I’m 5’9.5 175 pounds can Ben 225 12 times and have been wrestling since the age of 15. I can beat the shit out of most tall dudes. Tall lanky guys were my favorite to wrestle. I becoming convinced women are having crazy preferences like “he has to be 6ft or above” on purpose just to try to make short men kill themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:01 AM
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Bc every girl I’ve ever went for in my life has rejected me only to go after chad themselves and get rejected. We could have good relationships who knows. But I’ll never know because I’m never given a chance by women my age in the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:54 AM
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It’s okay bro. One day I’m gonna when I’m living my dream women will try to come back to me. Then I’ll slam the door in their fucking face. Nothing will hide their nasty personalities anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:50 AM
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Lol all women want is a fuckboy anyway. They will choose the taller more genetically gifted man 10/10 doesn’t matter if he’s polite or not. In fact, being a kind person to men and women has been shown to be a turnoff for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:47 AM
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Lol exactly it’s like women don’t realize being nice is replusive to them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:46 AM
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Bc they only care about unchanged traits all men have had from birth. It’s not lower your standards but maybe look for someone you like being around. Not some dude bc he’s 6’3 or has a lot of money. It’s called just not being shallow and by just doing that they will have more success because 90% of women aren’t doing that especially young women in the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:43 AM
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Nah. Race doesn’t matter women just don’t want some men. You’ll find the real culprit is height
/r/AllPillDebate11/08/23 04:40 AM
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It’s all about height. Gym won’t help you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:34 AM
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Because how are we supposed to improve things we can’t control. I am doing everything else I possibly can and am walking proof of women’s high standards in society (early 20s USA). You’ll find many men like me, most fit good looking and below average height. I’m also funny but not in the way women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:21 AM
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Height is the most important factor. You can be good looking, jacked and 5’9 still won’t get any consistent opportunity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:57 AM
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Exactly. If women are so repulsed by us least they could do is give us a space to talk about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:56 AM
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If you practice good hygiene and go to the gym. There’s not much else you can do, majority of looks comes down to genetics and that’s not even mentioning the topic of height witch is most women’s number one priority
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 12:55 AM
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And don’t you ever even think about saying women have unrealistic standards! They can like whoever they want! You need to improve yourself! Right, maybe if I hang upside down for 10 hours I can get taller.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 11:45 PM
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I know this isn’t how it is but it just seems like it. I mean why do women all only want the same men? It’s because they all want the same things and most are not unique or special in anyway. In fact the only women who are special are the ones that don’t care about superficial things. Most of them are already in happy relationships leaving not many options for men not in the top 20%
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 11:43 PM
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God forbid men in gen Z get a place to speak up about women having unrealistic standards. If I’m gonna die alone I at least want a place to share my life experience.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 11:36 PM
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It just means you are unattractive to them because nice is an automatic turn off for them.
/r/AllPillDebate10/08/23 11:33 PM
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Alright bro. How about instead of getting hung up on how percentages work think about the actual point of what I’m saying. This is really amusing that you can’t just have a discussion about the topic at hand instead of talking numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:46 PM
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It’s a good example though because I’ll never date someone not in my generation. Why would I consider women in their late 20s and 30s adequate partners when I’m 20. The observation is on gen z and its not a fucking math class, it’s a simple rule
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:44 PM
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Lol bro I understand it. Take all people in the USA aged 18-22. The 80/20 rule applies to that generation (gen z) more than any other generation. That’s how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:41 PM
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You still don’t get the age thing. It’s a progressive trend. It effects younger generations more. You were on dating apps in 2016. And somehow that proves the 80/20 rule isn’t real bc you met your wife on a dating app. Nobody in my generation would even think of meeting their wife on a dating app because it is a cesspool of mentally unstable and demanding women if your a man in generation Z. Two tales of two different generations. Things change and they are changing by the day. If you won’t take…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:30 PM
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Ah I get it. So being a nice person means you don’t have self respect. American woman logic. How are those two things related. You realize men being disrespectful to other men and women might just be genuinely mean people. And other men are just nice people. You can be kind to others and respectful and still have respect for yourself. It baffles me that women don’t get this
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 10:25 PM
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It’s because that’s what a majority of women like. They keep themselves from being happy
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:37 PM
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There are various social experiments supporting it like the one I shared on here. Yes age is relevant. I can already tell you aren’t in my demographic because you met your wife on OLD. Yes men have been talking about this since 2016. As more and more young women with these beliefs become adults. You will see it more, that is why it is continually talked about nobody would talk about it if it wasn’t a problem. 2016 was the beginning, but each year it will get worse until we face a cultural shift
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:20 PM
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Again you haven’t said if you’re a 18-22 year old man in the USA. I’m gonna just assume you aren’t. I’m not trying to prove anything or be wrong or right in your opinion. Why would I care what some random dude thinks. I know I’m right from the life experiences of myself and my friends as well as studies that I’ve read. Btw these people are all in the social circles and demographics that this rule applies to
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 09:03 PM
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Bro. I just don’t care to be doing research for you on stuff I’ve already read. Clearly you are one of the men not in my demographic and therefore havnt seen it first hand. Congrats, you dodged a bullet or are in the upper 20%.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:55 PM
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Yes they are. Most men have relationships because this is a new thing with the new generation of women, the one I’m a part of. If women 18-23 have this these standards. That isn’t going to translate to the data immediately, but that doesn’t discount from the experiences from myself and countless other young American men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:50 PM
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Women don’t like autism. Women also don’t like a lot of things. Yeah your autism sets you back. Same w height, and looks for other guys. It’s all relative no need to feel alone. The majority of men all have something that most women are turned off by.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:46 PM
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I’ve read them before I don’t feel like pulling them up rn. I’m not trying to prove anything to you. If the 80/20 rule isn’t clear then you’re the one that needs to open your eyes. Not sure anything can be proven because there’s always something you can nit pick even when I sent you a legit article. The reason I don’t have to prove anything or debate anything with you is because this is the state of the world. Men like me see it everyday. How old r u bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:44 PM
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Ok dude. You’re probably not my age. No I’m not gonna read articles online to confirm what I see everyday. Instead why don’t you provide me with the evidence disproving this rule because everything I’ve seen in life confirms it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:38 PM
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Another thing I’d like to add is that this exclusive to young women in the USA. That’s why a lot of other guys find it baffling. Assuming you don’t want anecdotal evidence I’m not gonna get into that side of it but what I’ve seen confirms it. Idk if it’s exactly 80/20 but somewhere around that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:32 PM
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“According to a study entitled Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your time on Tinder — a quantitative socio-economic study, “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.” This data almost precisely matches the Pareto distribution. The study elaborates to point out the fact that this means that “the Tinder economy has more ineq…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:29 PM
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Question 1: I’m not gonna write an academic report. Do your own research as I have. Question 2: I’m a little confused what you mean here. I personally think men should pick their best option and be loyal to her witch you talked about in question 3, the other side is that they don’t have to when they will constantly be offered more and more attractive women and it’s the grass is greener on the other side type thing. Some of them do that, it’s different from person to person. Personally I think re…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 08:24 PM
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Lot to unpack here. Let’s break it down. There are two groups of men. Top 20% and other 80%. Studies show men in the 20% sleep with many women often at the same time. They are less likely to commit due to so many options. They will be picky because they can. Weather they should or not is a debate. The Other men are more committed because they are more grateful for their partner. Most men are loyal just not the ones women want. This brings the point, it’s not just loyalty women want for relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:38 PM
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This has always been a problem but has become more extreme with OLD and social media. Woman want a man that checks every box. However the only men that actually fit their standards of course have other women after them since the vast majority of women only care about the same traits. My advice to them? Stop being so shallow, stop going for only the immediate physical things because 1. You likely won’t have success because these men have so many options. And 2. You will find that those traits don…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:53 PM
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Most definitely bro. Way I see it is if women can’t look past it. Then there’s a good chance they’ll have to be alone. There’s a ton of men under 6ft who will have huge success in life. If women still don’t want us then they don’t deserve us. I’m not gonna let them come back when I’m rich and successful, I will be enjoying that success on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:21 PM
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I think most men have most of these traits. The problem is you won’t see them in relationships because that’s not what women are attracted to. That’s why you hear so many women unhappy saying no men have these traits. They have simply overlooked the men who do fit the bill because they don’t check the boxes on looks/height/money.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 05:20 PM
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Being respectful. Trying to get to know them instead of trying to pick them up. Having good and frequent communication and being able to encourage/be emotionally available for someone. Plus loyalty. Most men do all of these things, witch is just hurting their chances with a large portion of women. I didn’t realize this until about a year ago. But like many other men on here, I realized this and never saw the world the same way again
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:52 PM
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Women are sexually attracted to men who don’t treat them well because it entertains them in the relationship. Then they get mistreated and think all men are shit but that’s really what they are attracted to. I’m not saying the opposite is okay witch is just being a total simp. Both extremes are bad but only one will turn women off for sure. Also if you’re tall and good looking it won’t matter either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:49 PM
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I’m not lying lol. It’s women being too specific about what they want that’s the issue. That you aren’t gonna be the ideal person for most people. Best way to put it is that I would say more women appeal to me than I appeal to women. I don’t try to lower standards though I’m comfortable alone. And btw that’s probably normal for most men weather they know it or not
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:27 AM
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It’s not low standards though that’s not what I wrote. I said I must be physically attracted to them and we need to have some stuff in common. I’m not gonna write a essay here on my life. I just don’t understand why it can’t be the same way for women. Way I see it they are the problem no need to overcomplicate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:12 AM
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Occupation doesn’t matter. Anyone who is fun to be around and has some similar interests. Then just being well put together and fit because that is what I try to do myself. Looks matter but just to the point that I’m physically attracted to someone and I feel like I should be attractive to them also. The point is for women now you need to meet all these requirements and you’ll notice my requirements are pretty broad and more based on personal chemistry, imo that’s the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 12:05 AM
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Literally a fact of life living in the USA for young men. You may be able to break this trend on occasion, but if you aren’t top value nothing will last. It’s my observation
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:41 PM
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I mean what’s the advice? We’ve heard it all. Go to the gym, get a hobby, have good hygiene and social skills. I promise you I am doing all of those things to the best of my ability. It comes down to genetics and natural ability to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:31 PM
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I’d bet I know more women in that age range than you. And even then, I’m talking about college aged people. It’s not a mindset it’s simply and observation of the world. I am not attempting to rob myself of happiness I will continue to talk to women and try to develop relationships but rejection after rejection shows the truth of the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:16 PM
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Thanks bro. Not trying to come off like an asshole. This is a legitimate problem but I get why someone older might not know because not long ago it was so so different. And many people now are currently still in relationships forged pre online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 11:04 PM
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I’m a decade younger than you. You might just not be hanging out with the same women I am. It’s a completely different time now and I’m happy you didn’t have to experience it. No doubt if I lived 20 years ago I would not have these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:20 PM
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Ok but then what do you say to a man that has more than them going on but still can’t attract women. I’m told I’m funny and I try to just be nice to people and talkative in terms of my personality. The reason that you can’t relate is likely because you are more than a decade older than me no offense. Younger women now in the USA have become hyper focused on these traits and I hate to say it but you might have been a part of the last generations of men to ever see a normal dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 10:13 PM
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I’ve improved at every possible thing I can and I still do and find it difficult to attract women. It’s about genetics once you get over that barrier. There’s not one thing in particular that causes women to not be attracted to me. It’s just the fact that I’m slightly shorter and not as good looking as a large portion of men I compete with. Not sure what you want me to do to change those things. It’s how I was born.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:59 PM
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Exactly. It’s like going to the casino. If you’re under the bar in terms of genetics. The game is rigged against you no matter how you play. Except in this case you don’t lose money. You lose the ability to connect with others. Women might get mad at you posting this but you are 100% right. The dating market in USA is completely out of whack and it’s just unlucky. Lots of men will die alone due this changing game. And it’s not their fault. Their fathers reproduced their genetics, but now those s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:53 PM
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Relationship wise it won’t change until you get money. If you struggle in college or early 20s, you likely are missing height or looks. After that money becomes more of a factor and that’s how shorter men are able to attract women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:41 PM
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Yeah this person clearly doesn’t get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 09:31 PM
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Yeah but women putting emphasis on height money and looks more than men is because they care about these things more than the substance of the person. That’s why you see so many women take this mindset of looking for something from someone instead of looking for a relationship with someone
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:47 PM
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True. Most women just choose them for height or other physical traits. When they personally can’t be a good partner they just blame the man. When men who aren’t getting women and don’t have those physical traits speak up. We must be mysogynits to them, because if not it suggests they are bad at picking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:51 PM
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A lot of women are. It’s probably a small majority but obviously short men can date it’s just harder bc of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:57 PM
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Exactly. No one’s saying they can’t be attracted to what they want. We’re just saying it’s unrealistic and at some point they’ll have to own up to those standards. Men age like wine. Also, I notice a lot that short girls tend to have the height thing more. They probably don’t want their kids to be short like them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:37 PM
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Best of luck to you bro
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:32 PM
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True. Part of that for them is being tall. I want to think that I can find someone who doesn’t put that much weight on that stuff, you should too. But I will admit it gets harder and harder as time passes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:23 PM
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I’m 5’9.5 From experience I can say that women find men taller than me much more attractive. There are some women who just want the man to be taller than them witch is realistic because there are short guys and even shorter girls as well. The problem to me is that some view men as being way more attractive if they’re tall. This doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t have much to do with looks, physique, money. Some have height as the number one priority. For example. If you have a 5’5 girl and one 5’10 …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:16 PM
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It doesn’t hurt your chances to improve and take care of yourself. You will also feel better. With that said there’s a point where you max out and you can only go so far with your genetics
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:46 PM
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Ur a clown bro. I’m not desperate and I can know my own good qualities. I’m just real with what women want. You’re the one living in a fantasy world where women don’t care about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:34 PM
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When you look at it. Men in the top 10-20% have the majority of sex. I can get laid once in a blue moon, but I’ll never be a woman’s first choice and definitely never be able to attract a woman for an extended period of time if a man over 6ft is competing and that’s just based on the fact that that’s what women care about (young women in the USA) I don’t appreciate the condescending tone since clearly you can’t relate. Just because it doesn’t effect you doesn’t mean it’s not a real issue
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:26 PM
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It doesn’t make a difference since I’m not 6ft tall. Witch is entirely my point and a large portion of men on here can also relate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:20 PM
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I know. That is why I’m critiquing womens standards. Because I’ve done everything else I can to improve what I can control
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:17 PM
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I don’t even do online dating since I’m only 5’9-5’10. What I’m talking about is based on the real world
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:09 PM
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Men under 6ft do not view themselves as lesser. I do not view myself as lesser. If I did I wouldn’t care that women don’t want me. Men under 6ft realize that height is one factor and often improve on everything else possible and still don’t get the time of day from women In the USA. It’s not a mindset issue, it’s just the fact that women don’t give men who don’t meet the height requirement the time of day. It didn’t always used to happen to this extent, however modern women in the western world …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:06 PM
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I mean that might have been possible 5-10 years ago. I’m in college now and I can tell you being 5’9 is a significant disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:56 PM
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Keep telling yourself that. I’ve been rejected countless times for being under 6ft by women who are always shorter than me. Same with many other men on here
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 12:32 PM
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You’re asking me why I’m critiquing them and I’m saying it’s shallow. It’s the same when men do it. Not everyone does it, it’s stupid to care that much about superficial qualities verus the substance of the person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:21 AM
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I mean I’m young now and I can already see a lot of women are gonna end up alone because of their high standards. With that said a lot of men under 6ft will also end up alone it’s a double edged sword and we are allowed to question women who prioritize this. Women also do this more than men that’s why they only go for the top 20% usally and as a man you have to always be working towards that unless you want to end up alone
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:45 AM
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The argument is that women are shallow in a different way of only caring about money height and looks. I’m not saying it’s 100% true but it is a lot of the time. Being shallow is different from person to person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:15 AM
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Complete BS, weight is controllable. If a man is not overweight, he won’t want his partner to be. Women making height witch is uncontrollable rules out short men who are in shape. Wouldn’t it just make more sense if women who aren’t fat just asked for in shape men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 02:10 AM
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Not really, men don’t care as long as you aren’t extreme anorexic or overweight but even then some men are into that,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:55 AM
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Bro bc you can control if you’re fat other things you can’t control that’s the way life goes but still could find a fat partner
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 01:53 AM
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I mean I’m not gonna move away from my home, family culture and job just because women have unrealistic standards. It has never been like this in history and that’s how my under 6ft dad reproduced me. Now I’m fucked because those genetics hold more weight now than back in the day. We have a generation of under 6ft young men in the USA like me who will likely die alone and never reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:06 PM
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I’m not talking about around the world. I’m talking about young people in the USA because that is the group I am a part of. According to those women, height is the most important thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 11:00 PM
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Doesn’t change the fact that not having that trait will make you unattractive to the majority of women. A small percentage of women don’t care but the vast majority do, especially in the younger generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:47 PM
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Exactly. It’s just people trying to sleep better at night. We need to accept this is how most women are
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:54 PM
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It’s pretty much all about height. They are more shallow than men. Most men don’t care if a women has big boobs (basically equivalent of height for women) but way more women care if a man is not 6ft tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:47 PM
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Go to the gym 5-6 days a week. Eat a healthy diet. Do cold exposure. There’s not much you can do with limited genetics unfortunately. As a man today you need to have the full package. Looks, height, social skills, money. I have a lot of those things but lack some so self improvement will only take me so far
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:42 PM
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I’m 5’9. Not going on here to go over my positive qualities and why women should like me but they don’t. I already know I have positive traits the issue is women not seeing it or having messed up views on what they want out of men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:02 AM
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I aggree with that. Then they will pick those weaker men because they are tall. That is a generality, it has been my experience and I’m not saying it’s impossible that’s why there’s people like you. It also has to do with the younger generation of women putting more emphasis on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:41 PM
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I’m not saying it’s impossible but I can garentee in general taller men have done much better than me. I see it all the time, started going to the gym/self improvement. My qualities are above average across the board. Women just don’t usually care unless you’re tall. It’s their loss, they will choose weak men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 11:13 PM
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Ppl will say it’s “circumstantial” but it’s really just about height and genetics. Younger women only care about that nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 04:13 PM
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Human nature. I stopped trying. I’m only 20 but 5’9 is a death sentence in America today. Tell me to self improve. Only thing I do is improve, I’m not gonna list accomplishments here but when I die my life will show you it’s about height and genetics. Not character and hard work
/r/AllPillDebate28/07/23 12:20 PM
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All about height for young men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 03:57 AM
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Yeah but I shouldn’t have to move from my homeland to find someone who doesn’t care about hieght. 20 years ago my 5’10 dad brought me into the world. 20 years later one aspect of his genetics are considered unacceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 12:22 PM
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Yeah true. Key word is whole package. Being on the spectrum disqualifies you as much as being 5’9 does for me. Think about it like that I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:57 AM
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It’s fine though because it’s not 100% of women. The ones who only zero in on this trait will be put in their place by no men being able to meet their standards (general loneliness/unhappiness) or by convincing themselves that a man who is bad for them is good because of those traits (same result). Say what you want about women can choose what they’re attracted to. Same is true for me. I could only talk to girls with big ol asses, I don’t, because that’s childish. Same is true for women and thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 02:20 AM
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This paired with height and general looks
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:39 AM
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Women only want men who are tall
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 12:38 AM
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Ok maybe that’s the attitude in the specific circles you are in. But not in general. Plenty of men on here will tell you that. And no it doesn’t apply to every woman but usually younger attractive women make this a requirement. I know this because of my life experiences being a 5’9 man. I am good looking and in shape but any guy I know who is taller will generally have much more female interest even if they aren’t at my level in other qualities. This applies to thousands of other men too, not ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 04:19 PM
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Like I said I don’t disagree but a combination of women having inflated self images and lack of men who want a relationship witch can be applied to lots of men attractive or unattractive btw. Leads to women’s ideal dates to be a small portion of men and it’s since it’s more women then men ofc some will be left out. Same can be said for every man who can’t find a partner because equivalent women have inflated egos and won’t give other ppl a chance
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:33 AM
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I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying I just think it needs to be recognized that many more women think they’re more attractive than they are. In theory there should be one attractive man for each attractive woman. If attractive women can’t find attractive men then no offense but maybe they need a reality check on their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:23 PM
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Difference between men and women is that would be a bonus for men and a requirement for women. That is the diffrence and the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 11:21 PM
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I’m not talking about attractive men I’m talking about men who aren’t in the top 20%. The bar is so much higher for men it’s nearly impossible to reach what women consider attractive unless you check the box on every single thing. You’re proving my point, attractive women are more selective but I’m not gonna pity them when they auto reject like half of all men for stupid shit like height. Average or even above average men have it the worst out of anybody in modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:44 PM
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First off all, I’m not talking about shape. Nobody is exempt from being physically fit especially men who aren’t tall. Secondly, in general women have shown men that height is their number one factor in selection. For every story you have that says otherwise, ten men on this sub have experiences pointing to that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 01:41 PM
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We all know this but somehow people still think women care less about superficial things than men. Talk about automatically ruling out the majority of men based on something they can’t control. Even fat women have it better than short men and this is coming from an average hieght man. The taller you get your success in dating goes up exponentially
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 11:43 PM
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I mean when you look at it in the scope of literally anyone else it is seen as an abundance of options that nobody else is afforded. My advice to them would be to be more open to more people just like my advice to men is. That’s aside the point I’m just saying it’s kind of like suffering from success.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 09:17 PM
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That may be true but dating as a man who is not in the upper echelon of men is far more shit especially since men aren’t as stubborn and willing to wait for the best possible option women end up ruling them out even if they have a lot going for them. On the other side, a girl who is slightly above average will still get way more attention then the man (who will probably receive 0) and I’m not saying those are always good options but you have to think at least some of those guys are on her level …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 07:54 PM
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I’m talking to whoever is perpetuating that narrative because as a man who has a lot of male friends I know it isn’t true. Maybe it is for the top 10% of guys but in general it’s not and I’m also just speaking generally and saying those women likely just have rediculously high standards where they only select the same few men. And of course those men will usally not want to couple up with them because they have so many options. This is the problem with modern dating for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:44 PM
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I just don’t get where your disconnect here is I honestly don’t think there’s anything we disagree on. You are a woman stating that most men are not good partners for women and I’m arguing the 80/20 rule. You proving that mindset is at least somewhat popular amongst women. I just disagree with you personally about most men being unfit for women but I also respect your opinion because I have not been in a relationship with a dude (I’m straight lol) so here’s my view. I think me and most men genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 11:47 PM
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Yeah, that’s what I just said, if you are actually an attractive young woman then I know for a fact there are plenty of single young men who are equally as attractive. I’m friends with these people. You likely think you’re a 10 and are excluding 90% of guys before you even talk to them bc they aren’t “tall enough” or some other thing. Wake up to reality, men want relationships as much as you. Just not the top 10% of men that you only want. If you really are gonna blame an entire gender then take…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:53 PM
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It’s BS because you as a woman have not met enough men to make that blanket statement. Of my friends, who are all young men, far more than 20% are good partners for women. However only about 20% are selected once things like height and other things women heavily care about are factored in. It’s honestly a blanket insult that you’re throwing around to all men. Saying I have no “facts” I have plenty of memories and experiences just like you that shouldn’t be disregarded. And yes, more than 20% of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:45 PM
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Completely wrong, they likely just have insanely high standards. Women in general have very high standards. Attractive women even higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 07:02 PM
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Nope! More like men only don’t want a select few women who are either extremely unattractive, or just people who aren’t fun to be around. Needless to say, the bar is much lower
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 06:45 PM
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I just want to open the discussion to those who may disagree
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:33 PM
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Yeah I was peacefully under exaggerating as to not piss more people off
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:17 PM
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That is bs because you are saying that only the top 20% of men are good partners for women. Really? You’ve met all of them, you’ve met all women also? The fact is many men who may not be preceived as being in that top 20% by women are maybe in the top 30-40% and still have many good qualities. Difference is women will rule those men out based on the qualities they lack instead of understanding not everyone is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:07 PM
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I’m backing it up with my life experience and the life experience of countless other men. While men would prefer the top 20% of women, we are not dead set on it especially if we recognize we aren’t in the top 20% of men. Women on the other hand will remain set on that chunk of men regardless of their personal qualities. This is why I have seen the majority of women like the same few men throughout high school and college
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 01:25 PM
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Another one women who won’t date dudes who are average height even are rediculous. You are Auto deleting half the population and you get no sympathy from me when you end up in a shittt relationship. “But he was tall” I thought women didn’t care about superficial qualities. Unpopular opinion is that they do just as much if not more bc of the emphasis put on height
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:16 PM
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They do get horny to the same extent but since women are in constant chase of the top 20% of men, they will remain single longer or cheat on their partner if a chance with one of these men comes. Women get more opportunities and have the same level of control, this is why they cheat more and have rediculously high standards
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:00 PM
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According to women that is determined by height first then looks then success in life would be the third. Women have way higher standards then men even if they aren’t subjectivity attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 11:56 AM
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Yeah it’s pretty much the bar for us. Men want a woman who matches their attractiveness at least. Pretty sure every man on the planet would be happy with a girl who is just as physically attractive and fun to be around, sadly women make it about more than this. This is something men cannot understand because our selection method is simple and many more women pass our “bar” than men will for the same women. Hence the 80/20 rule and problems for men in modern day dating dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:50 AM
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Men don’t really care about a woman being “better” than them. Equal or higher on a physical attraction scale and a being a good person for a woman will generate tons of attention. Men are simple. Woman usally won’t date men who are equal or greater in looks and a good person they just aren’t that simple. You’re basically just outlining a fact of nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:43 AM
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Women ONLY want the same select few men and if given the chance would drop everything for them. I honestly think men become more attached while they still might have similar thoughts, they are less likely to act and instead stay loyal to what they currently have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:36 AM
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Women only go for the top 20% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:32 AM
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Not nessesarily at the same time but it’s been proven throughout my life after seeing girls only like the same select few men in high school and college. This can be at the same time or not. Studies show more young man to be single than women because of this. It is very real
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 12:22 PM
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It exists in the real world. Most men have seen and that’s why this is a general rule that is rarely contested. It is true, a large portion of average or even above average men are completely undesirable to women that’s why we even have subs like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:07 AM
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80/20 is true. Look around you’ll see it every day
/r/AllPillDebate10/07/23 05:59 AM
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