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A broken clock being right twice a day isn't a great excuse to quote the broken clock when it is right. Just quote a clock that claims the same time.. but is reliable to read at other times as well instead. After all, the only value of a quote is the capacity to credit the author of the quote as being reliable in the field in question. If one is very careful, it is even possible to mine Mein Kampf for moral advice and actually find the man accidentally saying something reasonable for the span of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/03/26 06:20 PM
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Call it "Brain hygiene" if you like. I prefer not to be baited.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 09:49 PM
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Thoughts on Bell Hooks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:29 PM
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I do my best not to have any of those
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 03:18 PM
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The "is/ought" distinction does a lot of work in a quiz like this, then. IIUC every single question must be carefully worded to address "ought" conditions, since (objective) questions about "is" conditions don't measure bias as much as simply potential ignorance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/25 09:47 AM
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Just at a glance from a distance, I could see Apple removing an app called "Teaborn" from their app store for trademark violation. Like.. come on, make up your own name instead of trying to confuse people to ride on another app's branding. 😳
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 05:12 PM
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.. signals that aren't even consciously sent either. I know sometimes a person can float a discreet "come hither" on purpose, but in reality I find that few people are that introspective and what they are really after instead is successful mind-reading. They want guys to take the shot because if the shot misses, they can always dump all cost of failure on the guy and just keep looking for the one lucky (or manipulative) enough not to miss. Now luckily this is far from how all women operate.. it'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/23 08:34 PM
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Perhaps in the country of Portland For those who are bad at geography: NO the country of Portland is NOT the capital of Oregon Country. You're probably thinking of the Sultanate of Salem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/23 07:43 AM
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And here's the neat trick: people listen to complaints. Specially if the complaint is in unison. Then it's automatically legitimate. So... on a count of three, or "onetwothreego"? Should I go home and grab the semaphore flags?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/23 07:36 AM
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difficulty founding a family because babies are super pricy Babies are but a fashion statement of the bourgeoise 😎
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/23 08:29 AM
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Nah it would be "this is doxing/violence against women/etc". And I do not argue that it's not.. but that's what it is no matter which foot the shoe goes on too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/05/23 04:50 PM
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.. which in turn cannot happen even in principle because problems can always be invented. No matter how much they strive, women will never be truly equal to fictional royal Olympic athlete CEO quadrillionaire vampire ninja telekinetic space pirates who naturally owe every ounce of their success to the equally fictional Patriarchy muscling women out of said gigs. It is unfortunate that all activism in principle (and Feminism as it demonstrates constantly) has the conflict of interest that solving…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/23 07:37 AM
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Gotta drag eyeballs over ads somehow 🤷‍♂️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 05:17 PM
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Bear in mind that "adjective noun" has two potential meanings though. It can be a selector, as you are describing. "Blue M&Ms" vs just "M&Ms". But it can also be an intensifier. "We saw a huuuge whale!" is very much not trying to imply that the size of this whale was larger than that of an average whale. Everybody already understands that most whales are huge, but this use of the adjective draws added attention to a well known aspect clarifying that it is of additional importance to the conversa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/23 08:33 PM
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Have you kicked the habit of pouring drain cleaner into your SO's morning coffee? 🤔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/23 12:35 AM
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If you've seen one you've seen the lot, as they say. It's content that would belong in r/ofcoursetheyknew. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE3j\_RHkqJc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 12:43 AM
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Victim blaming et al
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 12:40 AM
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It's easier to milk a movement when you work out how to create your own enemies to fight.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 12:26 AM
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No forbidden tactics, just forbidden targets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/23 12:25 AM
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I fear that I'll have to concur at least to the extent that this issue suffers the misfortune of being able to twist in two opposite directions. Modern politics is driven largely by populist demands to appeal to emotion. For the conservatives that is "Make America Great Again" tribalism in favor of historically privileged demographics, and for the liberals it is hipster tribalism in favor of whatever trendy new demographics appear to be the easiest to bandwagon and appropriate. I prefer to slow …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/10/22 07:41 PM
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I just think that we need to be very careful drawing generalized conclusions from what hormones can affect what preferences. The problem is that we have a lot of sexist inertia to apply gender roles to people based on outwardly perceived characteristics, but that does a poor job lining up with hormones, or with personal life history, or with the chance of the draw that may cause Pat to be more comfortable with this or with that. I think it's too easy for conservative-minded people to latch onto …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/22 10:52 PM
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Well, especially when your labor consists of self-enrichment. "If I'm on lunch, someone had better compensate me for having to feed this fat slob!" xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/22 04:49 AM
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Yeah, but point to one single article about unpaid labor that lays blame at the feet of capitalism or the wealthy instead of the-havers-of-penises. This, like many other talking points, has simply been corrupted into another capitalist tool that drowns out any more well-meaning interpretations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 03:43 AM
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My suggestion: clarify to folk that misandry is transphobic. As is misogyny. All sexism requires a presumption of a binary, so let people know that it should be simpler to reject the binary than to simp for one side of it. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/22 12:52 AM
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Yeah.. but you can't exclude men without acting as a trans gatekeeper in the process. "You say you're NB, or MTF? Then how come you're not wearing a dress (or insert random other hangup here)? Out of my sight, imposter" ;P
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 05:28 AM
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So just for confirmation, hotel didn't have CCTV for the hallways? 🤔
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/22 07:18 AM
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Me: parody of marriage. You: see marriage as a [...] parody Please look up what a parody is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 06:19 PM
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Got it : the right wing, religious, conservative, authoritarian, kleptocratic parody of marriage. What you aren't making clear then is why that would be something you personally seek to protect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/22 02:32 AM
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OK, but I'm just saying that it sounds a lot like what you're saying is that "more men are convicted of crimes than women" (despite statistics that you admit are inductively flawed) is sufficient moral license to be more willing to convict a suspect if that suspect is male vs female (and thus, naturally, continue to induce the statistical flaw). I don't know if that is a position you are trying to represent or if I am misreading, but to anyone who does defend this position I'd have to ask if the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 08:27 PM
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I'm sorry, let me try to better formulate my confusion. Destruction of what? To clarify further: "marriage" is a word that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. At it's simplest, it is just people choosing to make and continue to renew the commitment to intimately cohabitate. At it's most problematically complex, it is a tool that religions and sometimes governments try to use to blackmail people's desire to be together into enforcement of artificial value structures that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 08:05 PM
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in the feminist attempt to destroy all marriage. ?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 01:00 AM
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Female perps would get more room, in part because of optics and cultural perspectives, in part because they are not the root of the problem. By modus tolens I extrapolate that you also mean Male perps would get LESS room, in part because of optics and cultural perspectives, in part because they ARE the root of the problem. Is this an accurate extrapolation? (if not, please clarify. If so, please expound?)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/22 12:55 AM
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I think with any case of children potentially abusing children, there is a lot of nuance and the legal system probably takes a lot into consideration. If the alleged were a male teenager do you really think the optics would be interchangeable though? In my view, alleged female perps always have as much "room" as they need for nuance.. usually more than enough room to find some other mitigating factors or way to shift the blame (and, incidentally, deny her agency). While when a male perp is alleg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 11:04 PM
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Those are certainly possibilities then. To be clear "gender fails to exempt you from a policy" harmonizes perfectly fine with my values, while "I'm treating this gender differently from that" fails to, regardless which gender might appear to benefit as a result. I cannot say that I agree with "refusing asylum so that individuals take responsibility" is the best policy in general, but I'm far less steadfast in that resolve than I am in condemning gender double standards in the circumstance where …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:51 PM
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OK the men being arrested for protesting, at minimum.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:21 PM
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Rightwing people, or Dixie Chicks?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:19 PM
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All she has to do is be clear that she is refusing asylum regardless of gender and I would lose all of my objections. If fewer women are seeking asylum, then fewer people would be affected by that difference in policy, right? And without that clarification, allowing women to gain asylum is a direct attack on the agency of said women: "We believe you have no responsibility for your nation".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:18 PM
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No he's citing the apex fallacy. If males have both larger positive and negative contributions to society than women (a larger diversity of impacts) then it is misandrist to only focus on the negative differences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/22 10:14 PM
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Well COVID hygiene and striking up conversations aside, does covering up your face indicate that you're not proud of your face in particular? The reason I'm asking questions of this nature is because "I can't have a relationship" is a very broad problem, and which elements are perceived dealbreakers are the best places to look. Some people might be fine with their face but sensitive about their weight. Some people might have trouble with cystic acne, scars, or various things. I'm just curious: i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 09:54 PM
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Do you feel like the impression other people get about your body (or your personality, charm, etc) has a big weight on how you feel about these things? EG: if people think you're ugly does that lead you to also buy the concept that you are ugly? Because I know the inverse is true. When you are down on yourself that can sell other people that they're supposed to be down on you too; even if they don't know any rational reason why they should be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/22 09:18 PM
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as anyone who can show that they know enough gets to vote, regardless of age. Ah, I see. That plays well into my (hypothetical) political aspirations which include determining that everyone who doesn't agree with me "doesn't know enough to vote". :) The adversarial design opportunities here are target-rich, too. If you agree with me, check this box. Or turn in a blank slip, we'll allow that too. If you disagree with me, all you have to do is fill out this 400 page 3 ring binder that was certifie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/09/22 12:01 AM
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Age? Weight? Political views? Familiarity with English? Number of teeth? Assigned gender at birth? I ask because I think a lot of guys who say what you just said wind up having a more narrow view of who "any woman" is than they might at first realize. I also agree that getting some experience under one's belt helps immensely in learning who one really is in the dating world: what they need, how to negotiate boundaries, and how to set reasonable standards.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/22 11:51 PM
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Besides "being bereft of male attention", the other confounding factor is the novelty/otherness of the male. Tribalism is tribalism after all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/22 11:14 PM
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Not the person you are replying to, but: Start by funding a small stipend over a test market. Slowly reduce other forms of monetary aid by a commensurate amount. We already do this with EG Social Security. Your food stamp allocation goes up this month? Isn't that swell, well the Social Security check you receive will be smaller by exactly that amount. Spread market test over larger areas as the bureaucratic hurdles get worked out, and slowly increase the UBI distribution in areas where it has me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/22 11:49 PM
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I don't understand. Are you saying that we need to be gynocentric: that efforts to step out of the epicycles and take on a more anthropocentric view are futile?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/22 05:59 PM
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It’s the biology deniers that demand an equal amount of top positions for women no matter what. Not really, it's actually the grifters leading a chorus of people who don't even know how to do math. CEO gender representation is skewed by tons of things aside from biology or "gender oppression". Top on the list I would cite is that women are afforded a vast ocean of opportunities to live their lives w/o having to climb the ladder of corporate chaos to begin with. For example, who's going to put in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/22 10:26 AM
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It's not entirely clear to me what you want to do about this, though. The "nurture" side of the debate — if nothing else — seeks to find ways to change how we nurture the coming generations. I do not believe that we should focus our efforts on the things that we can not change. (y'know, assuming one is not trying to pursue eugenics or something..) There are clear biological differences between paraplegics and those who are not (regardless of when the affliction occurred). Most of us believe that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/07/22 08:39 AM
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If you wanted to propose a scenario where every woman in the world was hypnotized into seeing me as impossibly attractive, that would be a good thought experiment because it would actually be a role reversal. and Saying 90% of guys act the way you describe is straight up misandry. That's not true. The rest of this paragraph I would maybe agree with if you had said that some (but not most) act that way. already got directly addressed in the latter half of my post, though. ​ true affection wouldn'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/22 06:11 AM
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But "drowning" in affection and attention is like complaining you have too much money. Well, there is something you misunderstand about human relationships if you mistake affection and/or attention with the fungibility of currency. Stalkers are affectionate. Griefers slather their targets with attention. How might you feel if all men in the world (but you) were somehow hypnotized into seeing you as an impossibly gorgeous woman? I assume that you are not sexually attracted to other guys, or else …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/22 02:00 AM
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wat?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 07:24 AM
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I perceive what you are proposing as matching the maxim I'm familiar with of "dying of thirst vs drowning". Take your "free food" analogy and transform it into hydration. A thirsty person can envy a drowning person because they seem to have more than enough water available to drink, but a drowning person may envy a thirsty person because breathing in and out may be less of a challenge for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 07:19 AM
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Will they not be happy until every man is below the poverty line? this report from late 2045 proves that over fourteen percent of people below the poverty line are women. Fourteen percent!! That's one in seven! (trying to keep a straight face...) pick seven of the women who are closest to you in your life, one of them is probably impoverished rn! ----- That's how feminism targets figures where a minority of women are in a disadvantageous situation. They flip "X% of BadCircumstance are Women" to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/22 04:59 AM
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Making men who care get vasectomies is a good way to ensure that men who don't care and/or who rape people will be the only ones left who are procreating. I have yet to see feminism being anything but blaming the actions of heartless people (both male and female) on whatever males actually feel empathy towards their fellow humans, just because they are an easy target.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/22 11:20 PM
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Gotta brand your males. ;P
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/22 11:02 PM
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with extra steps except without extra steps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/22 11:00 PM
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Love: adopting the priorities of another among one's own top priorities. ​ in which way is it different than friendship or affection Affection is a gesture you outwardly show towards somebody, while Love is an adoption of priorities. Friendship is a relationship type.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/22 10:15 PM
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Also why are people being charged with anything if they are stealing food TO EAT from a corporation in the UK? Because there are those whom the law protects but does not bind: such as corporations and the wealthy, and those who the law binds but does not protect: such as the rest of the species.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 07:41 AM
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.. adds Weinstein to the list of "did nothing wrong" characters that folks defend for shock value. Now.. I still need McVeigh and that one Rajneesh cult leader guy to get a bingo.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/22 02:57 AM
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What did you think about the video's categorization between "shame" and "guilt"? Can you think of any concrete examples where shame would be a more effective tool to try to reign in another person's behaviors or habits than guilt would?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 11:39 PM
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This video does not evince any clear favoring of any particular gender, I feel it makes very strong points for male egalitarians against feminists, as well as for feminists against right wingers. It also does a great job focusing less on recrimination for abuse, and more on what properties of the abuse affect the victim, and how a victim of abuse can take ownership in their own healing process instead of jumping to learned helplessness or blame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 12:38 AM
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Oh no, that really happened but.. it wasn't as if the act of violence were "serious".. y'know? I'm not even sure one could call it violence, and he probably started it anyway. So I'm not scared! You scared? It's important to disconnect feelings from evidence, and then arbitrarily groom feelings to fit a narrative, and then punish people based on how they make you feel. Pretty much all bigotry works this way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/22 06:35 PM
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Because Feminism's greatest past-time is removing agency from women in order to cast them as "helpless victims" of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/22 06:32 PM
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Or there is, and it's not frequently discussed because Feminism is presently trying to make friends with religion instead of stepping on their toes. But even if it is, it's many orders of magnitude smaller scale than institutionally defended MGM. :(
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 10:33 PM
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Well, "more women" here is probably contrasting against "number of women joining on previous years" and not contrasting against "number of men joining this year". They do contrast against "percentage increase in male participation this year", but that isn't an unfair comparison: it's per-capita. If somebody decided that increased jobs in this industry were a good thing as a starting assumption, then they should welcome faster growth in the smaller demographic to aim towards even gender participa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/22 10:26 PM
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Lol at the standard Feminist tactic of "we are pregnant" whenever they are demanding responsibility from a father, but "only women get pregnant" whenever they are demanding special treatment for themselves. Or whenever questions like Paternity leave come up, of course.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/22 12:20 AM
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Tells us, yes. Can be used to clarify for somebody stuck in gynocentrism land.... I don't think that is impossible to convey, but gender flip alone isn't enough and might instead backfire or lead them to miss the point. So what actual strategy might convey the idea to them I'm keeping an eye out for, though gender flipping might be an ingredient to the stew. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/22 12:35 PM
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"Putin <specific insult>" getting backlash does not have to be because of sympathy for Putin. It can be instead because "<specific insult>" should not be seen as an insult, or even "stop making other people in the <specific insult> boat look bad by saying that Putin is anything like them! D:<" For some contrast, imagine if protestors were trying to taunt Putin by calling him a Jew. Obviously one does not have to be "a Putin-lover" to find such a strategy deeply disturbing and unacceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/22 03:28 AM
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I was about to suggest "just ask them if that means we are free to put _____ in their place by fat shaming them" but then I got stuck because the blank has to be filled in with someone the other person agrees is evil but is somehow also a woman. But you can't be evil without agency, and feminists routinely deny that women as a gender have agency thus the "buck" of evil is forbidden to be seen as stopping at any of their feet under any circumstances. Well.. I guess there is that exception of wome…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/22 03:23 AM
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Apparently, standing up against ______-shaming makes you a ______ Yes, this is the standard retort for anything you fill in the blank with. Always_has_been_astronaught.jpg. Welcome to tribalism. Whenever "they" are different in some way that can be presented as dangerous (prey fears predator) or vulnerable (predator stalks prey), that false dichotomy goes on to be cemented into the foundation of every conversation on the topic by anyone seeking conflict. The marked people get dehumanized, justif…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/22 02:27 AM
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Yeah.. I think the problem most male advocates have with these laws is that they amount to "harm" literally meaning different things depending on an infant's recognized gender. Most people agree that it would not be reasonable to classify a female infant's status as "previously uncircumcised" to be a condition requiring surgical medical intervention, for example. Allowing officials to baselessly classify any citizen's status in an actionable manner is not functionally different from simply skipp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/03/22 12:08 AM
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So male circumcision is illegal? I think OP is specifically trying to determine the legal line between the "common" forms of circumcision everyone takes for granted and hypothetical "uncommon" forms that appear legally indistinguishable. If one kind is "obviously grossly illegal child abuse" while the other is far more routine than a C-section, there should be some law distinguishing the two, shouldn't there? For females, the female circumcision laws mentioned explicitly protect females from one…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 11:12 PM
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That or the civil rights movement has become sufficiently diverse that they can't tell when they have left their echo chambers and when they haven't. I find it curious how "intersectionality" is being abused these days to the opposite of its original purpose: the lede is "women are oppressed, and minorities and other demographics are oppressed, and those can stack up into even worse problems that we all need to resolve right now!" but then that gets functionally actualized as "Now that White Fem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 11:07 PM
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But according to patriarchy theory, women have no agency I can hear Susan B Anthony, Rosa Parks, and dozens of other famous female leaders of civil rights who used civil disobedience to force an issue weigh in on modern Feminism's stance on female agency. And to sum up, "daughter, we are disappoint".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 09:25 PM
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yet she and other feminists demand that males adopt a feminist perspective (the one that denies their humanity) to interpret their own suffering? Unbelievable. Nah, I believe it. r/MensLib exists after all, and that's kind of their whole deal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 08:53 PM
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But do those stated averages get overbalanced by high infant mortality rates? I ask because from a practical perspective, the dimorphisms being discussed involve adolescence and adulthood, so its better to restrict measurements of normality to the context being discussed when that's feasible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/22 08:33 PM
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It can be an interplay, but I'd wager that culture is the amplifier. Let's say that (cis-hetero) women are biologically 2% less interested in sex than (cis-hetero) men are (as a hypothetical - just making up numbers to play with). So there's 2% more women who are happy not having partners. A majority of people who want sexual partners pair up... ... until all that is left are the 2% surplus of women who didn't want a sexual relationship anyway and the 2% matching surplus of men who can't get any…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/22 05:46 AM
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r/TIHI
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 01:08 AM
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I am beyond offended by this bitch's insinuation that being alone, in the dark, far from home, is in any way "safer" for a man than it is for a woman in the same situation. But she is correct: Helen Mott would be considerably safer if she were at her home while an arbitrary man were alone in the dark for 90 minutes in her stead; regardless of what irrelevant things might happen to him. Narcissism (and/or gynocentrism; but those are indistinguishable for female narcissists like this one) is a hel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 12:55 AM
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how can feminists justify their claims that... They work from the same playbook as the Republicans, natch. "Be inconsistent on purpose, to keep your opposition confused".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 12:47 AM
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Blah blah arguing with an idiot, drag you down and experience etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 12:44 AM
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male-centered, non-misogynistic The problem is that the people who give us the run around on these issues (such as feminists) see those two terms as mutually exclusive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/22 04:37 AM
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Don't insult theory like that. A theory needs evidence to back it up to be falsifiable in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/22 02:29 AM
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Bear in mind that if women do commit a crime, 99% of the time they can pass the buck to a man.. and they often arrange such a patsy in advance. Also women do not vastly outnumber men in offering illegal sexual services that get prosecuted against. That distinction would lie with Pimps, human traffickers, and the customers of said services (who get pinned) which are all primarily male (if for no other reason than women still hardly ever get pinned with convictions even when they are in those posi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/22 02:21 AM
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Am bi/pan. Can confirm. Erasure and strange female prejudices in the dating pool aside, Most people will simply assume I am hetero and treat me with heteronormative privilege by default. Gay people aren't conferred that benefit, and doubly so if they self-express with a lot of effeminate qualities. I feel that my quality of life is getting a lot of benefit from the work that a lot of brave, and more visible queer people have already done. So I feel very perturbed being elevated by manipulative p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 03:23 AM
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Shoosh, you. Quit distracting my perverted mind with innuendo. ;)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 03:00 AM
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One has to bear in mind that anyone who uses these contested terms all the time has a high likelihood of perpetrating a Motte and Bailey fallacy. Those cannot be solved by assuming that the bailey doesn't exist. All deference to the motte will be used as excuses to strengthen the bailey.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 02:55 AM
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Or, optionally, they could use a different metaphor and avoid that third rail entirely. Yeesh :J
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 12:55 AM
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Hateful feminist erasure by "good" feminists is approximately as helpful as bad/crooked cop erasure by "good" cops enforcing the infamous blue wall of silence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/21 09:09 PM
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acab?</ignorant of this term>
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/21 08:55 PM
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Like you'd think at some point that groups would splinter off and get labels of their own Well, they do.. you get Marxist Feminism, Eco-Feminism, Cultural Feminism, "gender realist" EG TERFS, etc. What you don't get (at least that I've yet encountered or heard of) is a splinter that identifies misandry as one of a number of problems worth fighting and rejecting. I think once anyone starts to splinter in that direction, they quickly decide that the very label "Feminism" is a gender discriminatory…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/21 08:29 PM
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despite the fact the statistic they references was even more sweeping since it generalizes far more people but I guess that doesnt count. "men commit more crime" only generalizes for more "people" than "black people commit more crime than white" when the person reviewing the information is not doing so through a gynocentric lens. "black people commit more crime than white" does include some women, for example, and those are considered actual people. "Men commit more crime" disparages virtually z…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/21 12:50 AM
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Or more accurately it's black men they hold up as an *example* to push their own self-serving agendas that wouldn't do much to help black men, or often black women either. Intersectionality is currently used as a lever for certain feminist voices to claim that all activism should rightly be the flavor of activism they personally profit from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/21 12:47 AM
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(I want to make the same reply I made here :) https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/rpccc3/comment/hq714cb/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/21 12:43 AM
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Its not measurable and you can’t point to it, only the results of it apparently. I call this "the falsifiability problem". Blaming things on The Patriarchy is no more helpful than blaming them on Satan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/21 12:19 AM
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Yeah I'm not saying that Encanto made that leap all by themselves, but that it's possible this can be used as a jumping off point for further conversation. "WTH Maggie? Why've you always got to treat guys like they are Luisa from Encanto or something?" etc. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/21 09:25 PM
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I would just ask: How does it do that though, where the rubber meets the road? If Alice and Bob are fraternal twins of ordinary binary gender, What force flows through this patriarchy that pressures Bob without pressuring Alice with these specific masculine expectations? Bob gets circumcised. Bob gets registered for the draft. Bob gets expected to defend others in a fight. Bob is expected to earn an income to support himself, he's not liable to marry into a household with someone else as primary…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/21 09:17 PM
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The first party to swing to being pro-society, and supportive of men will have a landslide victory. Not as long as monied interests are the puppet masters behind bad faith political activism though, I fear. The battle between feminists and "patriarchy" and conservatives and "socialism", and between feminists and left wing men instead of feminist vs conservative lol, is all kayfabe. It's just like made up drama in wrestling: they are not really working against one another, they are working toward…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/21 01:46 AM
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It's one data point. It's no less misleading than someone saying "I'm left" due to wanting equal rights for trans people or whatever, but then beyond that point they are pro-gun and anti-abortion and enamored with deregulation. It's also not helpful that the democratic extreme of "government should wield totalitarian power" is functionally indistinguishable from the republican extreme of "corporations should wield totalitarian power". Ultimately any concession to either party gets pulled away by…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 03:51 AM
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I think the question is ill-formed because it presumes the validity of Patriarchy Theory. I do think that societally enforced gender roles harm everyone of any gender, yes. But I think that calling those "patriarchy" or "toxic masculinity" or "r /AgainstMensRights" is also harmful motte and bailey bs that harms both genders.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 10:47 PM
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I would say that it's far more down to hyperagency. EG less that "men hide their problems, so they go unseen" and more "male problems get categorized as the fault of the individual, and thus go uncounted, whether they get shared or not". I can't put this much more simply than: Nobody is ignorant that homeless people exist, nobody is ignorant that a vast majority of them are male. NOBODY can claim that "men have no problems" and remain consistent with the concept that male homelessness is a thing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 10:20 PM
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where men's issues are second bait and switched to feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:43 PM
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black and white tribalistic thinking and whataboutism. Put simply: "make the outgroup be perfect before we will feel inclined to make the ingroup even begin to change".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:40 PM
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https://xkcd.com/385/ I think one of the biggest errors people seem to make when gendering any issue is presuming that only one gender is affected by the claimed issue. In virtually every circumstance that I am aware of, "effect X hurts gender Y" often winds up being much more subtle and doing a lot more damage besides that specific way that gender Y is hurt. The other gender gets hurt in some related way, and of course all of society is harmed by the harm done to its members in a general sense.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:39 PM
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I'm with u/VincentPhil on egalitarian / gender abolitionist. People should be judged on their individual merits and actions, not pre-judged based upon their involuntary demographic associations. Yes, some demographics do statistically differ. Men are taller than women on average, for example. Nonetheless, the tallest women are taller than average men and the shortest men are shorter than average women.. so it's still useless to rely on gender as a height proxy. Worse than useless in fact, since …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:30 PM
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It is when you think of politics beyond a single dimension (2 party, first past the post nonsense) Platforms are meant to be partial. It doesn't make sense for the Green party or for PETA to take some firm stance on Abortion or on North Korean diplomacy, for example. People who prioritize the environment or prioritize animal welfare (assuming you give PETA that much credit ofc) might have varying views on things not related to those narrow topics. So, we should be able to pick a la carte which p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:18 PM
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I'm used to people from other countries claiming that their right is to the left of America's far left, lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:11 PM
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Well off the top of my head (and advocating only for the side you are questioning primarily because you are questioning it, not due to personal endorsement as I remain on the fence myself), it offers context to people's posts when people fail to explicitly provide that context themselves. For example something as simple as using a certain jargon term could have different meaning for somebody who identifies as socialist vs conservative vs anarchist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 09:10 PM
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Not one they would forward explicitly, no. I'm sorry I definitely could have worded the comment better. But what I'm remarking is the full picture one gets when piecing together the bits they do let drop during these discussions. Pieces like "we're not shaming them for being a virgin, we're shaming them for being creepy" (often without the speaker knowing anything more about the person in question than "they were being shamed by women"), "of course nobody wants to sleep with a creep", "it makes …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 09:11 PM
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But as the post-men world becomes ever more perfect Well to be fair, they aren't wrong.. for certain definitions of "perfect". I mean the human race would stop reproducing, so no matter how apocalyptic the immediate collapse of society might prove it would only take a century or so for the last female human to die off too and then plenty of other animal species would revel in the extra room for activities.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 01:06 AM
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considering that Julia explicitly states that she hates other women. That didn't slow down the retconning in Maleficent one iota. 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 01:00 AM
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While a good counterexample to offer, Hyenas do not have everything else about sexual politics the same. They are Matriarchal and the females have more muscle and bone mass.. they are stronger, tougher, and more physically aggressive in addition to the whole pseudopenis thing. But even then the male hyenas are far from the gatekeepers of sex, are they? The females still do the choosing and the males still have to accept whatever is available.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:58 AM
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"Woke" is the trendy way to describe people who practice identity politics. It's used for the same reason that parts of the manosphere use "red pill": it indicates that they've realized some vast truth most people are presumed too asleep to properly comprehend. In turn, Identity politics is basically the political position that a person's value is more or less defined by what demographic(s) they belong to, and how victimized said demographics can be portrayed as. Whatever demographics can be pai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:53 AM
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Are you suggesting that if everything else about sexual politics were the same, except it was the women who had penises and the men vaginas (women still incubating and giving birth somehow: exact mechanism not terribly relevant) that the lock/key shape of these genitals would cause the men to start being choosy and the women to start going out on the prowl?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:34 AM
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It can certainly be attenuated. You see the most beautiful supermodel you've ever laid eyes on, her gaze fixed upon you and strutting directly in your direction from afar. But then along the way she kicks a puppy. Punts it right the hell over a fence no less! --- The anti-male position relating to virgin-shaming is that the mark is constantly doing things that women perceive as tantamount to puppy punting, and supposedly things that men have a hard time perceiving in the first place so of course…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:28 AM
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Feminists would frame it as "it implies that women use intimacy to arbitrate male worthiness". Thus that being a virgin means that no woman has vouchsafed you, and thus that there must be something wrong with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 12:12 AM
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Male civilians are also often blanketly categorized as "combatants" solely due to their gender and age and .. well, existing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 02:01 AM
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Unironically, feminists will say the cops are misogynist for assuming that the woman is innocent. I don't hear any feminists saying that, though. #BelieveAllWomen requires you to presume any woman with the temerity of claiming that they are innocent must be, no further questions asked. Also they are the victim. They don't even have to claim that part, it's just a trait that Feminism ascribes to all women by default.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 01:20 AM
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I think his point is not that female misbehavior is necessarily so general, but that female reputation is; and that exists only in the minds of those perceiving and processing said reputation. The Women are Wonderful effect. That said, I lean more in the camp of "attractive people are wonderful" being the real effect, and cis-hetero men who bring this up are almost exclusively attracted to women, so they over-gender the effect. The "(attractive) men are wonderful effect" appears to be equally va…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 09:56 PM
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In my view the term "science" refers to the use of the scientific method, which is a relatively straightforward process of falsification. Any hypothesis which cannot be falsified cannot be fodder for the scientific method, and thus it would be misclassification to call it "science". One can make falsifiable claims about human psychology, about anthropology, about society. One can then test those claims, and that would be a scientific endeavor. Instead, we get populist papers published that pande…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 06:29 PM
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You have it backwards: "Patriarchy" as feminism's scapegoat can only grow stronger as feminist power increases. Feminism is not here to fix any social ill, they are here to maximally exploit the optics of social ills. It's basically Sally Struthers with poverty porn about supposedly destitute children in Africa. The more money that company receives, the more — not less — you will keep hearing about fictional impoverished children so that they can keep demanding more money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 09:58 PM
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As long as it's not falsifiable it's pseudoscience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 09:48 PM
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Mitoza, Popular feminist poster. Eugh.. I challenge the noteworthiness of "some dude on reddit". I advise ye not try to follow the example of ShitRedditSays and scrape the bottom of the barrel of an anonymous website for ragebait.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 09:46 PM
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This isn't a woke agenda, it's an authoritarian one dressed up as woke. So a wolf in wolf's clothing?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 09:23 PM
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I agree. The cast is doing a great job acting. Jodie and Bradley most of all, but all of the extras I can recall as well. I'm feeling that the primary problem is in the writing: which often was grossly idpol. The Rosa Parks episode being the worst offender. I think that the people (mostly guys) playing racists in that episode did a very good job of what was put in front of them: be obnoxious, be creepy, and sell us that this is actually what your character believes. The problem is that "what was…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 02:40 AM
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holding out for supermodels and refuse to settle for less Yes, don't people realize that over half of incels would be perfectly happy to settle for Sears catalog models instead? The mirror of the male incel is the female incel. This author is an example of how they can sometimes behave (disregarding that she appears to be married). When we talk about realistic standards, we mean "would you date that harpy? If she wanted to date you, but not without continuing to screech about how terrible men ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 02:16 AM
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Yes, that's why I clarified I was talking about "functional life in prison". Not a sentence called that, but a sentence carried out as such: the rest of one's life is in prison. ​ Yes but it's easier to compensate for if exonerating evidence is found. While there are inarguably a number of benefits to the "let them live to death" treatment over an explicit death penalty, our argument is that there are far, far more benefits to more humane treatment of prisoners that focuses on correction and reh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 09:55 PM
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Well, functional life in prison is just one step less harsh than a death sentence. Because it is still technically a death sentence.. just one that takes longer.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 09:17 PM
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Most Americans understand that Prison Rape is a problem, but many use it as a punchline or assume it's somehow a just punishment for whatever arbitrary law they are accused of having broken. So, extrapolate that to juvie. Way more people know than care. Pearls get clutched and facebook outrage gets shared when something happens to women or girls, but the exact same shit goes down in women's prisons and girls juvie and the exact same people never act on that either. To many people are afraid to v…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 08:57 PM
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But that opposition does melt away once you start talking about Dwayne Johnson or Vin Diesel or Tom Hanks. As long as people view you as both attractive and as maintaining the male gender role, you are just removed from the denominator of the discussion. They will say "Men are trash" and by that actually mean "Men who fail to please me either by appearance or by performance are trash". They would say this to a third party right in front of the above three mentioned well renowned celebs, and not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 07:15 PM
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Because gender roles, obviously. 🙄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/11/21 07:02 PM
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That's a fair question. I know it's something I do, and I'm a guy. It's something I've seen other guys do and get aggro for, both from other men and other women: "Don't treat me like I'm stupid" etc. The closest I can recall seeing a woman doing this was when another woman complained "don't speak to me like I'm a child", but that was down to tone of voice and deliberately using the listener's name to try to ground the conversation: not down to simplifying subject matter. Complainer further clari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 12:34 AM
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You're the misogynist. Not the person who punched her. YOU. Basically, the perp in this case is someone who refuses to be swayed by feminine concerns. Calling them a misogynist is like calling water wet, and it's too high of a fruit to reach to make them actually feel bad about said judgement. Now projecting that anger onto easier targets like you, on the other hand.. well it's just like any cartoon villain who beats their underlings because they can't reach the heroes and want to vent or want s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/21 12:12 AM
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I think a man is more likely to explain a problem simply or to cover cautions that might look obvious, partly because they are talking to a version of themselves before they knew all this stuff: they are saying what they wish they had been told to begin with. "I learned X and Y the hard way, so I just want to make sure you don't have to repeat those mistakes". And then, I know far, far too many women who interpret that activity as condescension. EG: "You're talking to me as though I am stupid on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/11/21 11:38 PM
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Roger that, quite clear. 😄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 11:08 PM
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I'm reading this as "The only “men’s” sub that isn’t (considered by tons of self-styled feminists as) misogynistic is menslib", but confirmation is also always nice. 😋
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 11:04 PM
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Now I don't know what they said, but I am curious if there are any subtleties around the subject of so-called "white feminism" that we should be careful with so as to be able to discuss the proposed phenomenon without concern about straying into understandably racist generalizations. So what mine did they trod on? 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 08:59 PM
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causing her to turn out that way. From watching Maleficent my takeaway was "she was very angry and cruel for one millisecond" and for the rest of her life before and after that was misportrayed in the original story and actually the hero the entire time, and the only one who really loved sleeping beauty. 🙄 Disney has been very busy trying to white-wash all signs of any overlap between villainy and being female. In Frozen it happened mid-production.. with the "snow queen" of the original story su…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/21 08:56 PM
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**P.S:**I was gonna link an article where Feminists justify misandry but then i thought nah , let's not giving her any clicks. That's what archive.today is for though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/21 05:06 PM
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I think that "gender critical" normally does not indicate "agreeing that gender is a social construct which places too much importance upon biological sex, and wanting to abolish that".. I think that it usually means "being critical that gender even is a social construct to begin with: wanting to abolish that perspective and return to a strong traditional binary perspective centered around sex instead." I also think that that position is mostly held by people who seriously underestimate not only…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/21 05:03 PM
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In the context it is understood as But from my perspective, this is the crux of every bailey/motte argument. People get to say "Black lives matter", and argue that in the context it is understood as an uncontroversial understatement reminding everyone that black lives matter as much as any one else's life.. but the speakers also know full well that this message will be read as "only black lives matter" or "lives must be black as a prerequisite to mattering" and that everyone that rubs the wrong …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/21 04:27 PM
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Imagine if someone wrote an article titled "White ppl treat blacks badly. It's bad for Whites" I don't know, I think that's a fair idea for an article. It will always be bad for demographic X to behave in a bigoted fashion, no matter who demographic X is. It is also bad for the people they are being bigoted towards, but as they say "pointing a finger at one person points three back at yourself". The other reason I wholly support the idea is that "focus on how harmed the victim is" isn't effectiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 06:34 AM
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And also "stop centering male problems in feminist discourse!" for those who actually try to move their conversations into their own spaces, staying out of feminism's way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 06:19 AM
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I've agreed with women who objected to the non-consensual attempt to erase the concept of "women" from our thoughts and words. It's a radical act that deserves to be discussed but was instead immediately adopted by corporate media. I felt like this (and moreso many of OP's upvoted comments echoing this sentiment) doesn't sound like a very left-leaning sentiment to me, so I checked the sub's Mission Statement. In very broad terms, left-wingers tend to advocate reducing inequality through social c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 06:16 AM
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I don't believe we have to change our entire language to make a group of people feel better. I don't believe we have to freeze the entire language in place to make a group of people feel better either, though. If we determine more precise ways to describe something, why not use that? I notice that the people who raise objections to inclusive overtures are always a subset of the people who were never in danger of being excluded to begin with. But they will react as though their identities are und…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 05:38 AM
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because the current paradigm needs an even worse enemy to fight. Or a more low-hanging fruit to scapegoat. Identifying actual danger to women can be difficult and unpopular. OTOH, finding ways to lay blame at the feet of already unpopular easy targets is both easy to do and easy to sell. Better still, those who profit from "fighting for female well being" in any of its forms (especially professionally) lay at a conflict of interest where winning that fight puts them out of business, and in fact …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 12:19 AM
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My position is that we should not make any topic of speech illegal, but that we should be able to make actions illegal and many concrete examples of speech can be interpreted as actions. Direct threats of violence for example is an action and that action ought to be considered illegal. Commanding or even recommending others to do something illegal is an action. Shouting "fire" in a crowded movie theater is an action. You can tell that these are actions because their consequences would be equival…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 12:14 AM
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You also run into the "who watches the watchers" problem of "who gets to decide what constitutes 'rational'"? I would say that today's poster child of "We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. // we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force" would be Antifa.. but then again that puts them back into the territory of "begin[ning] by denouncing all argument; they [..] forbid their followers to listen to rational argument…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 12:02 AM
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"incel" is a portmanteau with two parts: celibate is a superset of virgin (in truth non-virgins can also be incels if they are at minimum currently not getting any). But the definition of celibate normally includes "voluntary": celibacy is traditionally seen as a choice one makes, such as when eschewing pre-marital sex or joining a monastery. So the modifier "involuntary" is added to clarify that the person would prefer to be sexually active but that something is in the way. Ironically enough, t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 11:46 PM
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forming your identity and groups around one's feelings of inadequacy. If you think about it broadly enough, doesn't that describe just about any form of advocacy though, at least when primarily practiced by those within the group being advocated for? You can't fight for suffrage or civil rights (for your own tribe) without first admitting that those are things you deserve but lack. Incels make the claim that they deserve but lack sex or affection. We may identify that as relating primarily to fa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 11:22 PM
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For a classist surveillance state, it's also a prime target to hit a subpopulation of introverts: people who may be more careful to avoid becoming dependent upon social networks, peer pressure, or who may reduce their commercial footprint or avoid conspicuous consumption. The upper classes need us to collectively remain vulnerable, dependent upon them, consuming to excess such as trying to prove how fashionable we are to our peers (which in turn requires our having a lot of judgmental peers), al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 11:18 PM
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I agree: a thought-terminating cliche to justify arbitrary misandry. The person being slurred is A> male, B> fits the "loser" archetype failing the male prescribed gender role of successfully pleasing/molifying women, thus C> one can forward the unfounded prediction that they will lash out and use their dangerous man-ness as a weapon to harm [insert whoever the listener feels is the most vulnerable here]. It's the same operation you get with other more well understood slurs like "slut". The pers…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/21 11:13 PM
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But wouldn't "think[ing] that something out of the bronze age would be better for everyone" have the effect of "reverting women's progress", and thus "regain their perceived dominance"? The go-to example that I can think of is the subset of self-described incel (eg, I'm not trying to abuse that term as a pejorative) who wants to force women to stop having sex outside of marriage. Their patiently explained reasoning being that that's the only way to ensure that humans pair up so that whoever is d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/21 08:29 PM
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You can report misogyny here and mods will actually give a damn. I'm too far away from the popcorn at present to actually suggest that anybody ever try to report misandry on AF though. It would be like trying to report racism to the INS or violation of civilian privacy to the NSA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/21 01:39 AM
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But what does the gender of a leader have to do with Victorian Valu....ooohhh I get it. :P
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/21 01:04 AM
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DAE rundown: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and the whole Qanon fiasco is proof that the GOP has officially lost its goddamned mind On this point I don't know what the fiasco is, and I don't have enough arms to hold all of the proof I already have that the GOP fails to present a anything resembling an even self-consistent kayfabe character so I would not gain value from researching said fiasco. Moving on! Yes. Yes. Did anyone else do a little celebratory shot when Rush Limbaugh fin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/10/21 01:00 AM
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And all theory related to that finds that capitalism and the patriarchy are interdependent. So just to clarify, this is a claim that can be falsified simply by finding any academically accepted theory that fails to highlight this inferred connection. Is that accurate? And if not, then please clarify how your claim may be falsified. You can't be anti capitalist without recognizing how the economic system is built on the suppression of women. Alright, this claim sounds as though it may be falsifie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 10:25 PM
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My idea on the matter. Something that will fix both "boys fitting in at school" AND "women fitting into careers": stop treating humans like robots. Robots/automatons/programs/computers are wonderful instruments. They are endlessly patient, they can do repetitive work without getting as easily tired or burned out as human beings, they can to a large extent simply be told what to do and they will do as they are told, and they require very little maintenance or downtime to remain in top condition. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 02:31 AM
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"leftist theory"? Left is a relative direction, not a doctrine. Is there any particular doctrine you are encouraging folks to read up on?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:38 PM
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I almost feel it’s an insult to the Pokémon trainers out there to be compared to that Haha, I guess I'm just ancient and crotchety enough to view Pokemon as overglorified cockfighting. xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 03:38 PM
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I'm concerned about how much mileage one can hope to get out of that now that woke circles are excommunicating males even from intersectional victim groups. They're trying to yank black men out of ethnic activism due to their disproportionately higher need apparently dragging the spotlight away from (racial qualifier missing) women. Same with working to kick the G out of LGBT by saying that "gays are the straight white cismen of LGBT". I would expect them to kick B out of that club as well but y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 02:48 AM
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Yeah, you're either unowned or you're owned. It's the same (equally legitimate) complaint that feminists frequently make about having to mention their boyfriend (real or not) to get male chauvinists to stop hitting on them. The implication in both cases is "if you are unowned, then I will keep throwing this pokeball at you until I own you // oh, you are owned? Well, I respect whoever owns you and whom I've never met before to be a person with rights due to their gender so for their sake I will l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 02:37 AM
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Because it's not only not a legit standpoint, but the people making it know that and refuse to allow anyone to shine light upon it. It's no different from "don't question the bible (and/or our post-production literature which modifies what the bible says to suit our own needs) in our church", or in this case "in the holy temple of atheism" for reasons which clarify the place's flagrantly dishonest naming.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 02:06 AM
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Feminists don't have to be female in order to be bad faith or practice overt doublespeak. More than half I have known the identities of turned out to be men with either repressed self-flagellation fetishes or "I'm not like other guys" holier than thou narcissism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 01:48 AM
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But they don't lose ANY AUTONOMY at ALL with financial abortion. None. Of course they do. They lose autonomy over the child's father's bank account, duh. 🙄 I mean if you compare "previous lover I no longer like pays $X/mo" with "government pays $X/mo", only one of those involves harming somebody one may despise. Are you so heartless that you would take that awa... aw*pfffffffffffhahaha, ah crud! I can't even type that with a straight face. 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 01:44 AM
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So it's either you're the same members... Were that true, the other subs common to menslib would be common to here in proportionate amounts, and they are not. Mathematically one can thus deduce that those who overlap here and there make up a chunk of whatever is left after you account for those from there who frequent openly misandrist subs. It's too bad the subredditstats tool doesn't offer a "user ban overlaps" feature, to tell how many other subs members in the current sub are banned from. Me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 01:33 AM
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That word "few" might be better absent in this statement. 😂
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 01:41 AM
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I would rate that we have a similar, if not identical problem with women: for them society reacts as though the burglar alarm were complaining. Namely: lots of attention, just not as helpfully directed as it could be. One checks to see if there is a burglar, and reacts against them if there is, but does not usually check to see if the alarm itself needs aid. Women wind up treated the way we treat children: precious but helpless, which robs them of agency and thus usually leaves them just as vuln…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 10:04 PM
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as a percentage of all journalists, not as a percentage of the general population But I agree that that percentage is the one that is most relevant to any discussion of gender-correlated dangers. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 09:15 PM
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.. must be an uncomfortable situation for the F2M crowd then? 🙄 Of course they've also got to excommunicate any M2F who fail to complain how much worse they've been treated since passing successfully as female to tow the line of woman = helpless oppressed victim.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 10:08 PM
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From a position of principle, the party can’t really appeal to them [black and hispanic men]; it must seek to change them. Author said whatnow? "Trying to change people" to force them to vote for your preferred party is not a progressive stance for anyone to take, and not a good look for anybody.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 11:19 PM
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I would vote that it's a confounding factor. That said, I very much agree with the line of thinking "be careful not to spend too much time viewing the issue through an androcentric lens", because we've all seen the damage that Feminists can do viewing the entire world through a gynocentric lens 100% of the time. It's a confounding factor: one of the issues surrounding abortion is this specific case where legality and ease of access to abortion benefits men and may undermine the case for women wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 11:12 PM
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Democrats largely favor women (especially women of color) and LGBTQ people. LBTQ at best, tho. They're pulling the same misandric shit in those circles too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 10:54 PM
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Well of course, didn't you hear that the ideal of all civil rights advocacy is Feminism? Solving the problems that wealthy white women face will naturally trickle down to solving every problem for male minorities, LGBTQ+, trans, indigenous people, the differently abled, etc etc. xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 10:52 PM
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I can't read due to paywall, but on this point: Give the plight of Black and brown men the same prominence that both parties have given the plight of working-class white men. Is article stating that this is a good goal, or that it's somehow a "privileged" one that's too much to ask for? Were it me, I would shoot higher still and say "Give the plight of Black and brown men the same prominence that both parties have given the plight of working-class white men and of 'primary victim of war' white w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 10:50 PM
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It MUST be understood... Well, I'll agree that that must be understood in pursuit of the goal of "harmony and progress for all mankind". Unfortunately it must not be understood in pursuit of the goal of keeping 99% of the population at one another's throats instead of looking behind the curtain at the 1% who continue to get richer. 😣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/21 10:42 PM
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Incidentally, bear in mind that minorities feel similarly about "race issues through a feminist lens", and queer people feel similarly about "LGBTQ+ issues through a feminist lens", etc. That's how we get things like TERFs and White Feminism, after all. It's all down to the popular feminist perception that feminists have perfected the entire concept of activism and civil rights, so that must be the most efficient tool to solve every other problem as well. What they don't grok is that feminism's …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 08:42 PM
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I am not an expert with Uber or anything, but my gut tells me that drivers would be best served having an in-cabin camera system (like a ceiling-mounted dash-cam pointed backwards) specifically to indemnify them from any lies passengers might try to foist upon them. Would help in court issues, no idea what it would do with internal company complaints though. :S
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/21 08:08 PM
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I don't believe that perceived lower value men are actually completely invisible to women. When a woman wants to cross the street to avoid someone on the sidewalk, they obviously at least know that person is there. And when women complain about men, that guy is one of them that get complained about as well. The guys that women complain about approaching them, catcalling, "manspreading", these are all examples of what the lower rungs of men look like to them. So "men, ugh!" are defined as whateve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/21 07:29 PM
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The view that walking at night is safer for men is a gynocentric one. It goes like this. If a woman is attacked, the woman could be seriously injured, killed, robbed, or raped. And those are all a reference standard of terrible outcomes that everyone agrees is terrible. You could call that "one unit of terrible", if you'd like. However if a man is attacked, then the likelihood that a woman (and thus per the gynocentric view "a person at all") gets injured, killed, or otherwise even inconvenience…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/21 07:13 PM
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Facebook owns IG, though. "having different domain names" or "providing relatively distinct services" doesn't touch upon my motives to boycott: "complete disregard for end-user privacy and/or even dignity".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 09:02 PM
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Wait, there are negative rules? xD
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 08:34 PM
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I've just boycotted Facebook from its inception. IG is a facebook isn't it? (can't tell what's a facebook and what's not anymore lol)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 08:31 PM
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What do you think the best way for the government to address [specific problem] is? In my experience this is where they describe "trickle down feminism" to you. EG: "once all of womens' problems are solved, mens' problems will wind up being solved as a knock-on effect". Or failing that, simply "wait your turn". Feminism has no end-game. They seek blanket equality for all women with whichever single male is perceived as having the nicest life. Elon Musk? Jeff Bezos? All women are seen as oppresse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/21 08:27 PM
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> What's your experience with going to those posts and telling them they have to JOIN their perspective with the oppression of men and boys? I would answer with "not the experience we should be having letting them know that". It is standard practice for far too many feminists to over-gender problems and to throw men under the bus. So that is a path I would prefer we not follow them down, is all. > I believe this type argument is called whataboutism. It is not. I am not trying to distract attenti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/21 02:42 AM
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I see the argument that the value of a life is a function of who's life that life effects. If they were gone, or perhaps even more clearly if they were secretly replaced by an imposter who else would suffer as a result. When a woman wants to have a child, the embryo would have a life with value via its interaction with its mother. Thus murder of pregnant mother can be counted as loss of two lives at the same stage of pregnancy, or even earlier, than another mother may choose to abort and that em…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 09:07 PM
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> Biological parents give you your genes. Who they are is part of who you are. This might be early in the technological scale, but the child still has all of those genes (more up to date copies even, in cases of mutation!) and can have themselves sequenced to learn 100% of the information that is relevant to their health and to their progeny without having to identify their biological parents in the process. Safe harbor laws offer anonymity to mothers who surrender their children. Are you asking…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 07:53 PM
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I agree. The core problem is not a gendered one. It is valuable to degender how the idpol try to polarize things, but the military complex does not only harm men and boys. The military complex harms men, boys, women, children, trans, puppies, basically everyone but just in sometimes ways that are subtly unique between different ages, genders, and other affiliations. It is very valuable to highlight the unique ways that men and boys are harmed primarily due to how few people think about that. But…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 07:46 PM
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The people at ContraPoints' sub got mad at me for saying incels are partly a result of the system Well yeah, you're trying to take away one of their favorite beloved scapegoats. I don't imagine that anyone was defending schooling for schooling's sake, literally every living being hates the US public school system in it's current state for a laundry list of reasons. I think what people were defending was the hyperagency of males. It has to be "their" fault so that it never has to be the speaker's…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 11:56 PM
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I'd say because tribalism is an easy political platform to maintain. The left is constantly being usurped by powerful media interests who do not want the world to be a "better" place writ large, they only want better outcomes for themselves and their own bottom line by throwing others under the bus. So, when they identify a sensitivity in their target political base towards the plight of minorities for example, then they abuse that by creating "us vs them" narratives. They need to paint the list…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 07:17 PM
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The concept of male disposability suggests that society is unprepared to accept "failure" from men. So if they want something but can't have it, the presumption is that they are by definition unworthy of it. If the thing that they want is intimate relationship, then by being unworthy of relationship they are next presumed to be a terrible type of person that the speaker would be loathe to know personally. From there, dehumanization is pretty simple.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 12:47 AM
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Otherwise, why adopt a label that is synonymous with hate and anger? I think the first time it got tied to "hate and anger" in the public consciousness was about the same time that Far Cry 5 and the Google Pixel 3 came out. That or last Thursday, I honestly can't remember which of those was longer ago. I'm just waiting for the next shooter to rant about stamp collecting or pokemon after they get caught. :P
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 12:39 AM
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Yep, sounds like a pretty fair description of a feminist icon (as championed by mainstream media) to me.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 12:20 AM
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Just like it’s sexist to associate men with aggression, dominance, inequality, etc. But sexism is something plus power. Excuse me, I've gotta go find a place to plug in this toaster..
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 11:26 PM
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I advocate for equality of opportunity for all individuals regardless of their demographic (thus hunting down and learning how to dismantle demographic discrimination), and equality of outcome only based on challenges directly inherent to a certain demographic. For example, accessibility aids for the disabled/differently abled, because the need for an aid is directly tied to what those individuals have in common. Ensure that discrimination against women/minorities is dissolved in whatever ways t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 10:58 PM
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Then people would tell you that it's sexist to associate women with those traits.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/08/21 09:27 PM
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When did Jeff Bezos transition from regular dude to puppeteer? This sounds like a Sorites Paradox kind of question. But I assure you that "being a regular dude" does not amass anyone a fifth of a trillion dollars. The secret to attaining that degree of wealth lies with exploiting people. Are you under a different impression somehow? But exploiting people is more difficult to do when they realize that is what's happening. ​ I find this outlook that our "problems" come from secretive people with "…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/21 09:05 PM
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are taking part in these woke games EG convincing the poor that they should divide up into tribes and feud with one another? I agree, they are doing that. Ask yourself if they are leaning on any of that behind closed doors, or in any fora where poor people aren't listening. It's all for show. Virtue signalling, though with the double benefit of A> "some people will see me as virtuous" but also B> "I am setting the moral standard for most people listening to me, such that they will blame one anot…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/21 12:17 PM
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I was never taught that. Then you were lucky, and I envy you. ​ That’s a depressing take on things Absolutely. It might be less depressing were it not as accurate as it is, however. But if everyone were really taught to treat one another as equals — both in words and in attitudes and behaviors to mimic — then sexism and racism (ableism, ageism, everyism) would have had nowhere to start from. But since those ills remain to plague us (possibly better than at some points in the past but certainly n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/21 11:03 PM
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Part of the communication challenge in this specific thread might be down to the phrase "I find it hard to". It sounds like you meant it as an admission of difficulty doing something you know should be done. Example, "I find it hard to stick to a healthy diet". But while that's a valid meaning, the phrase is more frequently used to mean "I find it hard to justify" eg, something I wouldn't do without some mitigating circumstances to allow it. This is just one shade shy of "I simply will never do …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/21 10:55 PM
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Now they are taught that boys are their equals. Er.. by who? when? It is my understanding that they are taught that boys are privileged, part of the patriarchy, saturated by toxic masculinity, dangerous rapists, domestic abusers, and the list goes on. See Tumblr for more examples, I suppose. The only people being taught to treat themselves equal to that are other boys.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/21 10:40 PM
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Since that hadn't really been applicable for a long time, neo-marxism updates the players. Unfortunately it's just as applicable as ever, and the "updated players" have been appointed for no purpose other than the bourgeoise convincing the proletariat to fight among themselves. Blame "other poor people" for every problem poor people today face ("poor" here being defined as <$1mil effective annual income), and if you're convincing enough then they will forget who is actually in control and who ac…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/21 10:33 PM
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Meh.. I would target highlighting how they are suggesting the ex is a child. I think that it would be a foolish position to actually adopt on purpose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/21 10:47 PM
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Their goal is for all benefits to stop buck-passing at women and all responsibilities and negative consequences to continue buck-passing past all women. I would say "to saddle men with all negative consequences and responsibilities" but it's worse than that: Men aren't even the target, "not women" are. They can't be free from responsibility and consequence unless somebody else is, and men simply happen to be the primary residual in that equation. Actually targeting men involves having to gaze pa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/21 10:41 PM
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"So you're saying that I raised her that way...?" sounds like a pretty helpful rejoinder in those conversations. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/21 10:38 PM
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I'm going to back up what u/Skirt_Douglas in the sibling post, but amplify it to say that the same is true of male incels. Anyone really can find somebody to establish a relationship with as long as they learn how to appreciate themselves for who they are and get comfortable in their own skin, and rid themselves of toxic and unattractive behaviors that work to sabotage their relationships with other people. But one may also have to lower their superficial standards in finding people to date, dou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/21 08:51 PM
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There is enough data on this and the indications are that it is only slightly better than growing up with a single parent. The confounding factor to control for there is also how attached a child got to their original parents prior to their living situation changing, EG "adopted as an infant" vs "messy prolonged divorce and custody battle at age seven". Another is "what were the circumstances behind the change in living situation"? There exists selection bias in that children who are separated f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/21 09:27 PM
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The comparison that is relevant is children from father-free households against children from father-inclusive households. So you're saying 1 parent vs 2 parent, but then gender the results?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/21 05:16 PM
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A link to one such study where we could check out their methodology section would be helpful. The stats actually quoted in that comment all say "X times 'the average'" where presumably "the average" primarily includes nuclear households. What they need to compare is apples to apples: fatherless households vs motherless households.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/21 01:44 AM
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It would be nice to see these fatherless statistics (with or without pairs of mothers) contrasted against motherless statistics (with or without pairs of fathers). Because while I constantly hear about the former, the latter will either rate as "equally bad because 2 parents to raise a child means more resources than one parent going it alone, and because the confounding factor of poverty that is highly correlated to single parenthood ought to have a huge impact on aggregate life outcomes", or a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/21 01:42 AM
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Primarily because toxic masculinity is always framed as a behavior performed by men that hurts other people. It will never be framed as an unnecessarily subservient behavior of a man towards a woman, because the current Overton window presumes that that combination of factors is impossible: that subservience to women is appropriate and acceptable in 100% of situations. Even (and especially) when it is emotionally abusive to the male being subservient. That said what gets called "toxic masculinit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/21 02:00 AM
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Getting feminists to admit that male rape victims exist and matter, that women can be perpetrators in rape and domestic violence, that men face severe mental health and homelessness issues in our society, all of these make a difference. I'm not even seeing that they'll brook that much in r/menslib. They're incapable of allowing any narrative to proceed discussing any problem a male can have without first heavily disclaiming that whatever that problem is, women have it worse, and that the only re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/21 11:50 AM
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I'd go with the definition "actively attempts to hide the fact that alternate points of view even exist". When I got bant, they then went back and silently deleted all of the posts that I made, and then even deleted every reply chain beneath mine for no reason other than to prevent "comment deleted" from even showing in the feed visible to anybody else. I also wasn't banned for breaking any rules, I was only banned for "defending a fictional character" that the mod had decided was a misogynist, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/21 11:45 AM
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.. and obviously, that homelessness is worse than prostitution that is worse than death or else they wouldn't be choosing prostitution over it .. .. and that worse than worse than death situation is the one they are overjoyed to consign impoverished men to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/21 05:08 PM
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there was a veiled "man up" with every mention of the phrase "toxic masculinity". The ferrite content of this comment is mind boggling. Ferrite is a very irony thing Puns aside, the motte version of the definition for toxic masculinity is the toxic kinds of gender roles imposed upon and sometimes internalized by men, primary among which is when people get chided to "man up".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/21 05:06 PM
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Whenever I have this "socially enforced monogamy" conversation, it's always the top 20% of out-group excuses for why the speaker isn't getting laid. :/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/21 07:12 PM
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but does it mean both girls have to put in the effort before something happens? My understanding is that whichever woman is more down to have a relationship is the most likely to get the most annoyed with whichever one is less down being so difficult to woo, and then when swapping notes with male-attracted friends gets some frame of reference that guys are apparently a lot easier to start escalating intimacy with in comparison to her mate in particular — which is not only "a girl" but "the harde…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 05:36 PM
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Uh.. that's nice, but I don't see where anyone did that. > if you intake more calories than you exert you put on weight, eat less, you will lose weight. And if you stop breathing you will asphyxiate and die. But does the fact that A leads to B mean that B is therefore easy to accomplish? For example, you don't even have the sliver of willpower it must take to stop breathing for long enough to merely lose consciousness, do you? Your body is under the impression that it requires more oxygen than i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 05:29 PM
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Alright, then again some links to said data would be helpful. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 05:07 PM
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One of the challenges of considering "grass is greener" issues is that the fence you're looking over might not be the fence that's actually influencing the grass color. Being a woman.. would that mean you get to be an attractive woman? Because attractiveness privilege might be far stronger than gender privilege. Now as a male staying fit and attractive is no small feat. But neither is it for a woman, you'll find you must preen for a much larger portion of your day to maintain whatever aesthetic …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 02:20 PM
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Yeah, that's not saying that women are more unhappy than men, it's just saying they are more unhappy than women were 40 years ago. Compare women to men, women are still happier.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 02:14 PM
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Many studies have shown that women are significantly less happy than men. Do you have links to any of them? All of the data I can dig up says the opposite: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/271621233\_Are\_Women\_Happier\_than\_Men\_Evidence\_from\_the\_Gallup\_World\_Poll
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 02:10 PM
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Fair point. That's why you almost never see obese people these days; because virtually nobody would want to look that way and it's simply so easy to avoid. 😄
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 02:06 PM
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many men behave towards women as they'd love to see behave women towards them Yes, but this is the part I'm saying is a restating of the golden rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". So if there are men abiding by that, they will necessarily trip up on one of the most famous limitations in application of the golden rule: when other people's tastes, values, or situations differ from your own. A guy might conceivably behave towards a woman he barely knows in a very sexually for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 12:06 AM
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True, but the golden rule is the maxim to "do unto others as you would like them to do unto you". Not "do unto others what societal roles prescribe they are supposed to desire". If a thirsty guy crosses sexual boundaries with a woman, he can claim "golden rule" because it is quite possible (depending on the guy) that he really does want a woman he's never met before to cross those same sexual boundaries with him. In my case, I spent a majority of my life daydreaming about (instead of acting upon…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 10:27 PM
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Golden rule is flawed because do-er and do-ee can have a very different set of values, though. Someone dying of thirst might take a very different view of water than someone in the midst of drowning would, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 08:58 AM
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Re: Dentist, they would probably make an exception for a romantic relationship (especially a marriage) that predates the professional one. I think that's how it works in the military, for example.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 08:54 AM
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All questions are about what men do to women, so double standards don't play an explicit role. Presumably because the primary double standard was already committed by the survey makers. 😳
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 08:52 AM
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peers at username Can confirm: statistically more likely to be decimal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 08:41 AM
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I'm not sold on that comparison because in many circles, advocating as a feminist *does* get you associated with "the worst man-hating feminazis that existed". Hence why some folks — especially right-wing talking heads like Limbaugh — literally only have "feminazi" in their vocabulary and can't bring themselves to say the word "feminist" under any circumstance. The MRA associations are worse than that though, because not many people take "humorless militant feminists" very seriously. Maybe they'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 08:38 AM
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It is the traditional societal gender role that mothers are expected to be in charge of parenting and domestic care (cooking/cleaning/etc), just as it is the traditional societal gender role than men are expected to be in charge of earning their entire family's financial success and to physically protect his family from harm in virtually all avenues and circumstances. 3 guesses which of these gender roles a century of supposed "gender liberation" has made even the slightest dent in? If you answe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/21 03:52 AM
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OP is taking a leaf from John Stuart Mills. It will draw in the misandrists who want one more way to circle jerk about how "women aren't included" and "nobody ever thinks of the children". And then if done properly, it can shame them without even having to say one explicit word against them, and thus suffer no surface area for misandrist criticism either. At least, that's the first strategy that pops into my mind. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 01:20 AM
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That must be why we need this sub, then? To turn away a political minority subset of the movement? On the contrary, I think that detractors within one's own tribe are the easiest to overlook or to claim don't exist. Just like how feminists so easily deny any "straw" feminism in their ranks, and then when you show it to them they go into mental gymnastics to explain how that doesn't count, or we're misreading it, etc etc. For example, most self-styled incels I've talked to on Reddit have said the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/21 04:23 AM
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Never was enforced. Well it's a vow, how would one enforce a vow? The only one who could in modern times would be the spouse, who might very well divorce a bride if obedience were important to him and she wasn't living up to that, I suppose. I don't think it's paid much attention to in modern times, but it wouldn't have become the standard ritual if it were not seen as appropriate and important at some time in the past. Speaking of which, see Genesis 3:16, 1 Corinthians 11:3, Ephesians 5:22-23, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/21 11:32 PM
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.. and this obfuscates the even more obvious, and far older loophole that female perverts already have that access. What I am saying is that either we fear perverts or we don't. If we fear them attacking a person while using the restroom, then we need to collapse those into single-occupancy restrooms. All genders are at risk, and any gender could be the perpetrator. Splitting the genders up has no impact upon that. Well, unless one is an essentialist that believes that one gender is more prone t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 07:08 PM
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Men are held to the standards of a robot. Men presently excel in the workplace primarily because we have more to lose and so are willing to sacrifice more in order to resemble a robot on the production line. Women with less to lose if they fail to pull in an income (with more options to fall back on for example) are less liable to force themselves into a robotic role on a production floor. For home making however.. that's it's own ball o' wax. This is flipped on it's head in a K-12 school enviro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 05:52 PM
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I would stick with the null hypothesis that a certain percentage of transpeople are perverts, and a certain percentage are willing to rape people if the opportunity presents itself. But, that that percentage is basically the same as for cis men and for cis women. Being trans does not magically mean you are not evil. Being not-trans does not magically mean that you are not evil. Evilness presents itself in similar proportions in every group of human beings where the grouping itself is amoral. So …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/21 02:38 PM
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Meh, I don't know if more than 50% of people who identify as MRA also identify as egalitarian. Especially the oft overlooked subsegment that are right wing / traditionalist. :<
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/21 10:46 AM
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Unfortunately, many Feminists will characterize Egalitarians and Mens Rights Activists the same way. This comparison doesn't help a lot because it amounts to "NO U". We can claim that Feminists have all of the institutional power (that they've fought for and won over the past century.. and yes it has now been a full century!), but they'll just lump us in with conservatives and claim that they have all the power instead... inferring us along with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/21 08:50 PM
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I never said they’d commit a genocide. Right, but I'm not trying to suggest that that's what you said. I reworded how I was interpreting what I read you say between double quote marks: So to be clear are you trying to convey "it's unlikely that we'll see non-whites in particular commit genocide against white's in particular, in the USA in the near future?" So if that quoted rewording sounds incorrect or unfair then by all means correct my understanding there. But via that what you did do is brin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 07:13 AM
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The concept of semi-official 'Keurmerk', which I'm talking about, generally works quite well in the Netherlands. But seriously, I am curious how a person can even know how effective something like that is. My inquiry is epistemological in nature: saying "I know that it works because of how well it works despite nobody ever replying to me" is a pretty heavy tautology after all. "It works because the government/media/the sites say so" OTOH is a fox guarding the hen house problem. How would a site …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:28 PM
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I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are saying here. Doesn't every act of planning for the future involve comparing what you know about the world as it is against abstract thought experiments of what you think might happen to tomorrow? ---------------- Child support as we are familiar with it today is entirely arbitrary too. It's quite the strong claim after all that simply having a lot of genes in common with a child of the following generation obligates a person or group of people to exclus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:22 PM
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I vote e) fine how you are (at least relating to gender roles; if you've got mental health challenges and such then by all means strive to find better ways to cope with those just as I do!) with little relevant concern to what "normal" is because that's over-rated anyway. Normal is a myth perpetuated by people who fear that they won't be accepted by their peers unless they mimic them sufficiently well. The reality is that acceptance will most naturally be offered by the people who it would be th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 11:02 AM
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I'd rate that how children are treated leading to heavier discipline and medication for hyperactivity in boys as well as how women are treated in the workplace and the cause of the wage gap are basically the same not-initially-gendered interclass tension: Boys aren't really being made to act like girls. Women aren't really coerced into sacrificing as much for their career as men do. In both cases the comparison misses the real target. In both cases, boys in school and women in the workplace, fal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 10:54 AM
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Also please don't pretend that anyone will choose this 'abortion tax' for 18 years instead of doing it abroad or in some underground 'clinic'. I imagine that's irrelevant to the thought experiment. Dodging this tax would comparable to dodging child support, and would only be done for the same reasons: avoiding somebody making the person financially responsible for the life of a child.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 10:41 AM
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For many people the dislike springs from either of "thought" and/or "having to visualize things or use imagination". And I don't even say that as a jab at anyone, because we've all been too tired or stressed out to cajole our brains into imagining just about anything at one point or another in our lives, and doubly so if the thing we're being asked to imagine or think through involves lending broad credit to people trying to persuade us about things that might threaten our identity (aka doxastic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 10:37 AM
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In the Netherlands there are officially approved sites that have guaranteed no fake profiles etc. And.. who's in charge of guaranteeing that, how? Is there a government branch charged with the regulation of social networks? Regardless of how official anything is, how much can you trust that when bad actors (either third party or at the company) only need to be more clever than the watchmen to sneak astroturf into the soup? but fake profiles aside, as long as even legitimate men are initiating me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 10:24 AM
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Unfortunately PR and persuasion aren't my strengths. I can reason better than average, but especially in the forum of the national debate both the masses and the media who pander to their sense of outrage (while panding on the side to our sense of outrage at being misrepresented; tabloid tactic of "even people who hate your material enough will still drive engagement with it") "reason" doesn't have an awful lot of currency. In that venue the language is nearly 100% emotive. It's not clear to me …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 10:21 AM
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I did contact women on dating sites that maybe wouldn't meet my standards of the ideal looking woman, but to no avail. Dating sites are hella problematic though: how many of the women you contacted were actually just advertising spambots? How many were filler fake profiles added by the dating site to look like less of a sausage fest? How many of the women couldn't notice your sincere message through the tidal wave of spam and players constantly flooding their inboxes? Dating is hard enough as it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:51 AM
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Although he also seemed kind of snobby like he thought he was better than us. I'll offer another possible explanation for a behavior shift like this, at least in the general sense (not trying to make any judgements about you or your friends but extrapolating from scenes I personally have been in). When a bunch of single friends are together, and especially if they share the trait of bad luck in relationships, it can sometimes be the case that they have one or more personality traits or assumptio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:39 AM
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Anything without a waiver up front saying you understand women face major issues is taken less seriously No, in my experience said disclaimers get the same respect as "I'm not a racist or anything, but.." disclaimers get. Also direct rhetoric I've seen leveled against the mens rights movement usually takes the form of "the gender in power is losing their exploitative advantage and they perceive this as oppression". The take-home is that too many people can't imagine the concept that any group of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:26 AM
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On the other hand, the man’s primary concern - reproductive exclusivity and the guarantee of genetic progeny that he can raise and call his own Wait, I've never heard anyone describe that as a generic male primary concern. I only ever hear about royal lineage described that way. "I need a male heir to legitimize my dynasty!" Much more frequently I hear about the more simple, down to earth, and gender egalitarian motives of men desiring 1: to get laid, 2: to have companionship and support from th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 11:15 PM
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*raises hand* how are those things distinguished? Does "civic" here mean like, legal or political or in some sense de jure? I ask because I often hear "civic" informally used in much the same way as "social", so I just want to make sure I'm reading you clearly. :)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 10:48 PM
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They just don’t understand that they’re the Nazis. I'm going to rate that as an example of Godwin's law. ​ Thankfully there are enough same people in America so a genocide will never be tolerated (also because white people make up 74% of the population, so it would be impossible). s/same/sane/? If so that sounds like a helluv an ironic typo. ;) That autocorrect humor aside though, yeah there have been plenty of countries (including Nazi Germany as it happens) where a genocide takes place despite…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 10:41 PM
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Just right click the Huniebee and see if they dislike the green token. Problem salved. x3
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:41 AM
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Why, do you know any? Single mom isn't even a dealbreaker so long as she's the self-sufficient type to begin with instead of leaning on government support or accustomed to any unreasonable lifestyle at the expense of others or anything as antisocial as that. I am a single dad, and I have no compunctions Brady Bunching the shit out of things if that's how to find a compatible mate. ;3 But I'm also not an RP and not trying to out-manipulate any presumably manipulative women. shrugs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:30 AM
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Waaait a moment. You mean you haven't had yet? (rings up the childfree rehabilitation hotline..)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:16 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:08 AM
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Those guys wouldn't have any motivation to post here though, would they? It's like heading to AA looking for teetotalers. ;3
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 05:04 AM
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Here, let me sum up the profile you're making here a bit more concisely. -- mid to late 40s, joint pain, overweight. Stressed out by lackluster job, wishes SO could earn more. -- Not all are married, for those who are they often resent their spouse. Wishes they could seek companionship elsewhere, sometimes (eg some examples) do so illicitly. -- Infrequently bangs. -- if divorced, hard to remarry and have unsatisfying or no love life. -- outside of work they play shuffleboard, barhop with friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 11:41 PM
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But I just described how in your case you are definitely not in the same position between your two measurements. For a girl who can only get fours (or thinks that she can) is happy to get a six, and then later has moved on and demonstrably can get nines and would be unsatisfied or potentially insulted by a six, doesn't it also stand to reason that the condition "can only get fours" changing to "now is able to get nines" indicates that she is also not making these measurements from the same posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 09:33 AM
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And it made me realize how an offer that once was one of the happiest moments of my life, now results in feelings of contempt, which reminded me of how women act in regards to men. So just to be clear, are you saying that a man a woman would have previously been over the moon to see interest from, she now sees with feelings of contempt? Because that doesn't sound like hypergamy to me, my understanding of hypergamy involves the separating of men by women into more of a caste system of "high-earni…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 03:11 AM
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But I'm failing to see a historical correlation between amount or quality of sex being "put out" by any given wife or mistress and the quality or quantity of the work output of the man in question. Nor am I surprised, given that that would create a free market incentive for employers to subsidize prostitutes to service amenable male members of their workforce, along the lines of the equation "the $X of investment to meet the prostitutes freely negotiated fees will catalyze a marginal increase of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 09:47 PM
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Alright, well while I could continue the ecumenical side of the debate that's rendered moot in context because I'm afraid that I do have to yield on the side that society by and large took a Victorian reading on it. :/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 09:53 PM
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It's not that simple. For one thing, most women need to deal with pregnancy. Men? Not nearly as often. So it actually makes sense for women to hesitate. Well, I'm not saying that they're precisely identical comparisons, just that they're a closer comparison than envelopment. overwhelming your partner's senses can easily become a position of power. While I'm certain that it can, that part of the comparison cancels out because having a penis enveloped by something, or having any object in a woman'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:49 PM
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By that logic, the only way to get a man do a job he doesn't like (which has been almost as necessary to the continued survival of the species throughout History) is through slavery. Right, so what does motivate a person to do a thing they don't like? Spontaneous self-flagellation? I know that people work jobs they don't like because how else will you keep a roof over your head and food on the plate. But that's not gendered, men and women alike can work jobs that they dislike and earn their own …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 08:02 PM
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Reread the bible. It's pretty clear that enthusiastic, porn replacing (or at least temptation-replacing) sex that leads to procreation is a requirement for both spouses. 1 Corinthians 7:3 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wif…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 04:25 AM
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Well, the reason that I bring it up is because it strikes me that the internalized fear of assplay incumbant to masculine expectations in our heteronormative culture shares a lot in common with the internalized ambivalence towards vaginal intercourse for the ladies. Both involve physically quite comparable acts of vulnerability, after all. Put more simply, one could argue that the act of deriving pleasure from sticking a body part into an orifice differs in quality from deriving pleasure from ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 04:17 AM
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Never said women's sexuality was superior, just said that men's was disgusting. I think that Krispy's point is that cherry picking the most fucked up things that some handful out of several billion humans have done is a poor way to assess the morality of an entire gender's sexual expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 02:13 AM
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.. if he had a hole? Every man has a hole. It even has a prostate in it. Yet do you have numbers for how many voluntarily stick things into it for sexual stimulation? Because while I don't have numbers either, I'm wagering it's a minority. In our culture today it still sets off heteronormative taboo alarms and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 02:10 AM
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That wasn't a duty of a wife and everyone knew it. IIRC the bible quite explicitly laid this out as the duty of both spouses. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 02:01 AM
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I cite the continuation of the species. If women did not find sex enjoyable then reproduction could only be made possible by active cases of rape. While rape does of course contribute to some volume of our reproduction, I feel safe wagering that it's somewhere south of a majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 01:29 AM
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I didn't mean to mislead you, an earlier draft of my comment included an /s tag but later I thought that the second paragraph would make /s unavoidably perceived. :(
/r/MensRights17/02/17 10:02 PM
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But you don't understand, XXY and Rainbow Chimera and other unique biological outcomes that absolutely do not conform to either side of the beloved gender binary are totally only mental conditions and should be treated as such. Or put another way, portions of reality that don't impact my armchair everyday life but that would require changing my lazy mental habits to accommodate should be ashamed of themselves for ever inconveniencing my greatness. :P
/r/MensRights17/02/17 08:51 PM
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@DFD, excuse me, but aside from ObviousMcTroll scored below you, I don't see any "rape apologists" in this thread. Precisely zero people are talking about trying to defend their right to molest a person who has passed out. And anyway, your droolingly obvious guide to not actually raping a person is useless compared to the more pertinent advise these young men really need; avoiding situations where they would have any apparent capability whatsoever to rape a person. Meet a stranger, Have a couple…
/r/MensRights13/02/11 11:42 AM
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