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| 1 | If you are a "lady" i will let you go freeNo, the judge just thinks he might get some. | /r/MGTOW | 18/03/17 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Even Christian nutjobs are going MGTOW.You can be Christian and MGTOW, but if you are "churched" you will be under pressure to marry and multiply, esp by the womenfolk who increasingly dominate the inside workings of many Protestant churches. | /r/MGTOW | 19/02/17 02:29 AM |
| 4 | What are you guys up to this weekend?Reading, pub, chilling. | /r/MGTOW | 18/02/17 11:20 AM |
| 1 | The need for a MGTOW theology.The Church should be the place people come together to try to rebuild their society. Instead, it is now a vehicle for its corruption. | /r/MGTOW | 11/02/17 12:58 PM |
| 1 | Feels like war is coming?In the West, we are seeing peak culture wars. That's just bored people trying to find meaningful lives by demonstrating. China is where the action is at. The economy is stalling big-time and the government are worried they may have a social revolution on their hands if they can't maintain economic growth. I don't see another World War as it would mean the end of the world. Nukes are good for peace in the long run. | /r/MGTOW | 10/02/17 06:11 PM |
| 1 | "You just make jokes about relationships 'cause you wish you could have one."20s, especially if you are at university (e.g. grad student). I had a fun, stress-free time. Not a PUA, but looking back I had a number of gfs and some hook-ups without really trying, and I'm no Chad. Having flexibility time-wise, along with other people with flexible schedules, is the optimum social situation. Travelling is also good for that. And none of them gave me much bother either. | /r/MGTOW | 10/02/17 06:07 PM |
| 2 | Society is in a state of degeneracyPeer pressure is the difference. It is stronger than crack cocaine. I don't buy into the "he's an idiot, he deserves what he gets" one-up-manship. Some people are just hardwired to see the good in people. Some may get lucky, many will get turned over, but it is the society which incentises divorce-rape behaviour which ultimately deserves condemnation. | /r/MGTOW | 05/02/17 01:30 PM |
| 1 | Is it selfish to not want to be in a relationship for the rest of my life?Yep, like people in relationships aren't selfish. We are living in a period of societal collapse. Why add another brick to the falling building | /r/MGTOW | 05/02/17 11:55 AM |
| 1 | So many various support groups for women, zero for men.I attended the opening meeting for a planned "Man Shed" where I live. It was dominated by two shrill hags. They clearly want to take over every male space left. For the moment, local pubs are the only male space left, and in the UK they are slowly being turned into restaurants, which means women and kids take over. | /r/MGTOW | 05/02/17 11:54 AM |
| 5 | Women seek out violent men, they are attracted to them and they like fearChad's gonna be a thug even if women don't give into him. But the great civilisations recognises women were attracted to Chad, and hence the penalties around adultery fell on the women. Some times the law can be scarier than Chad. | /r/MGTOW | 28/01/17 02:02 PM |
| 3 | I promise you I'm 100% percent straight but I can't stand womenYou are truly blessed. | /r/MGTOW | 28/01/17 01:53 PM |
| 2 | What is MGTOW to you? What does it stand for in your life?Thanks man. Yes it was an unexpected comment. We were moving my sister into her new rented accommodation at the time. She actually got screwed over by her husband so it can happen both ways. My dad is not redpill at all but he is intelligent and observes things. Lots of his male friends have sons and daughters and their marriages have turned to crap so that's another reason. I think he also knows my character - typical nice guy - and thinks I could be taken advantage of. | /r/MGTOW | 28/01/17 01:50 PM |
| 10 | Christian mgtow, speak up!"Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do." Cultural Christian here - I think society falls apart when the faith dies, as it is now doing. | /r/MGTOW | 28/01/17 08:39 AM |
| 3 | Men reveal why they haven't proposed to their partners yet... with many seeing marriage as a 'bad business decision'This x 1000. The state made war and war made the state. | /r/MGTOW | 25/01/17 03:29 AM |
| 1 | Men who hate short men are manginasI think men are fine around 5'7 but anything below that and it must be tough in the dating stakes. But being tall isn't by itself going to get you women. There are plenty of ugly, bald, fat tall guys. This is what women are attracted to: bad boys; rich boys; pretty boys. Height doesn't really come into it that much. | /r/MGTOW | 22/01/17 02:31 PM |
| 12 | dear fellow mgtow's, would you fight for your country?No. A number of ancestors died in the 1st world war. They weren't fighting for their country, but for the interests of the landholding elite. Most of them were illiterate and had only known rural farm life. They were sent to their deaths by a bastard regime which still runs the country. | /r/MGTOW | 22/01/17 11:34 AM |
| 1 | Thank you so much.This sub has helped me a great deal. But the real buzz comes from the fact that I know it is also helping my brothers and younger brethren from committing a mistake (marriage or ltr) which could ruin their lives. Thanks all. | /r/MGTOW | 21/01/17 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Why do so many younger MGTOW here give the older ones the cold shoulder? Such as: "You only have yourself to blame."MGTOW is knowledge is power. When guys complain about their wives in person, they do so through joking, so it is hard to tell whether they are being serious or not. But the anonymity of the internet lets people open up and tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - AWALT. | /r/MGTOW | 16/01/17 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Successful MGTOWs, could you talk about your self? Bragging is welcomed.Im doing ok i make 50k per year but after the chadspawn taxes its 30k. Still i do what i want. And fuck everyone else other than my mgtow brothers. | /r/MGTOW | 09/01/17 06:05 PM |
| 5 | Geez, I really do need to get out of this world.Female drinking on the current scale wasn't widely practiced in the UK until the last 15 years or so. In the 80s the men got smashed, but other than in certain movements like punk, heavy female drinking was still frowned upon socially. 90s "Ladette" culture changed things. | /r/MGTOW | 02/01/17 03:48 PM |
| 3 | Geez, I really do need to get out of this world."Ladette" culture is really socially decadent. The fact that nobody in the UK will suggest that the women have become such shameless slappers speaks volumes. | /r/MGTOW | 02/01/17 03:45 PM |
| 1 | 39 People Dead But What is Most Important is that a Pretty 19 Year Old Female Died - Shitlords!Who ever said death was the great leveller! | /r/MGTOW | 02/01/17 11:10 AM |
| 9 | Female game is to destroy your ego and self-esteemI've just had to spend an afternoon with my sister and her new bf (she got divorced, saw another guy, and this is the new one, all within a couple of years or so). She's already starting the flirty insults to the new guy, who laughs it off. Like most modern women, she has never been taught that men don't actually like this kind of teasing. But she will keep on doing it, and I'm 100percent sure this relationship will fail just like her last ones. She has two young kids too. I despair but as far a… | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/17 07:48 PM |
| 1 | Looking Back - What did you achieve last year?2016 was a hard but meaningful year. I've saved a lot, but on the negative side my health has suffered due to a knee injury. 2017 will be physio, saving, reading, writing, and telling people I don't like to fuck themselves. | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/17 07:26 PM |
| 1 | MGTOW is not a movementMGTOW is a decentralised survival network for Western men. | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/17 07:21 PM |
| 2 | I'm *still* getting sick of men being blamed for a non-existant Western rape cultureMass immigration - the mass immigration beloved by feminists - is what causes rape. | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/17 09:25 AM |
| 1 | Wonder if there's any correlation here?Yes, out of all the factors behind the disintegration of the west, I think feminism is the most powerful, largely because it has become accepted as "common sense". The only people who seem to stand against it now are traditional catholics, and orthodox Jews and Muslims. Their arguments are compelling and I particularly recommend the work of Allan Carlson on the destructive role of feminism on all areas of life. | /r/MGTOW | 01/01/17 08:38 AM |
| 4 | Neo-Nazi Alt-Righters Slam MGTOW as a Jewish Plot and Want White Men to be Slaves to PussyThe change from PUA to traditional wife material is dubious at best. They may think they can transfer "red pill" philosophy to keeping their lady in check, but ultimately they cannot revoke divorce legislation. From PUA, to married, to divorce raped in no time for these delusional chumps, methinks. | /r/MGTOW | 31/12/16 09:21 PM |
| 3 | Why men like having arm-candyI'm in the UK, where people treat you fairly indifferently overall. But whenever I'm in the US, I'm amazed at how people will try to accost you in some way. It's basically because in the US it's a favors-based economy - I do something for you, you will do something for me. | /r/MGTOW | 31/12/16 08:55 AM |
| 1 | "This gold digger married a rich toothless old man but was denied of his millions after he died!" -- old man donates property to charity :)Kick that bitch to the pavement. | /r/MGTOW | 31/12/16 08:22 AM |
| 8 | Is going Monk-Mode smarter than being a bachelor?Modern women, protected by no-fault divorce, are more dangerous than crack cocaine. Just Say No. | /r/MGTOW | 30/12/16 06:52 PM |
| 3 | *Votes to accept mass Muslims into Germany* *Complain when Muslims do what Muslims do* *Now want men to flood their prisons with Muslims*Western Europe would have ended up destroying itself anyhow. The Muslims are just accelerating the process. | /r/MGTOW | 29/12/16 09:22 AM |
| 1 | I smell desperation with men todayThe main issue for those who opt-out is taxation. MGTOW are still on the hook for the bill for no-fault divorce/family breakdown/entitled c$nts riding the CC. Taxes are only going one way so long as this situation continues. | /r/MGTOW | 29/12/16 08:41 AM |
| 13 | I smell desperation with men todayThis is the problem. There is zero solidarity between men. Feminism is no less than a declaration of war, but rather than get together and fight back, they stupidly think, "Poor chap, but it will never happen to me." In the meantime MGTOW is the only response, and this forum is saving lives. Like the early Christians, we have retreated to the catacombs to regroup. | /r/MGTOW | 29/12/16 08:39 AM |
| 2 | I smell desperation with men todayTechnology and no-fault divorce - married men can lose it all in a matter of days. | /r/MGTOW | 29/12/16 08:35 AM |
| 8 | Feminists use Carrie Fisher's death to push their agendaIncreasingly I think celebrities who die due to bad life choices don't deserve the ridiculous sympathetic treatment. They should instead be held up as examples of how not to live. | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 10:22 PM |
| 5 | What Is The REAL Average of Sex Partners The Average American Female Has Had By Age 25Young women aren't even bothering to hide the number of partners they've had. Thanks to Ladette culture, they are starting to see it as a point of pride. | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 07:04 PM |
| 2 | 99.9% of women over the age of 30 look awfulIt's hard to generalise. She is Eastern European, but they can really hit the wall (as can mediterranean women). I expect she just has good genetics and has taken care of herself (no boozing, smoking or ride the CC). | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 05:11 PM |
| 4 | 99.9% of women over the age of 30 look awfulOne of the best posts I've read on here. The issue of how to deal with widows was a big one in ancient times, as they were often poorly treated. Women have been systematically lied to. Their most valuable asset is not their education, how well travelled they are, or how many languages they speak - it is their fertility. | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 05:06 PM |
| 3 | The Dagger Principle - Does MGTOW Make You Lazy?MGTOW gives you the CHOICE to be lazy, that's all. Marriage don't. | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 04:42 PM |
| 3 | At 27, I have an atrocious history with women. I NEED you guys to tell me how stupid I've been. I will list things women have literally done to me so that maybe, once and for all, I can finally stop thinking there's a unicorn.One must think like a man of action, and act like a man of thought. | /r/MGTOW | 28/12/16 08:48 AM |
| 2 | Guys, I know 99% of you are going to write me off as crazy but I'm posting this for the 1% who I know need this.Glad to hear you had a great trip. Word of warning, trips can be good or bad. Just work your way up to things and don't be a hero first time out. Enjoy! | /r/MGTOW | 27/12/16 11:57 PM |
| 3 | You guys don't even need to read it... 2x celebrates... Serena Williams: ‘If I were a man,’ I would have been considered the greatest a long time ago.That ain't no woman baby, that's a man, man. | /r/MGTOW | 27/12/16 09:13 PM |
| 1 | A Special Thanks To The MGTOW CommunityIt's not so much a "cult" as it is a "way". | /r/MGTOW | 27/12/16 07:17 PM |
| 1 | When the man was described as unattached, 59% said they were uninterested; when described as attached, 90% interested.True dat. | /r/MGTOW | 27/12/16 06:11 PM |
| 3 | Every Man Must Build for Himself a Personal FortressDeflation means cash is essentially appreciating, even if its just sitting in a bank earning zero interest (or under the floorboards, which might be safer). | /r/MGTOW | 27/12/16 01:31 PM |
| 3 | The biggest war is going across all first world countriesGreat post. | /r/MGTOW | 26/12/16 03:05 PM |
| 1 | How To Get Banned In R/DivorceKick the mod in the head for me, sounds like a royal prick. | /r/MGTOW | 26/12/16 08:09 AM |
| 2 | Feminism Is Not Pro-Woman It's Anti-ManIt's Anti-White Man. | /r/MGTOW | 25/12/16 10:36 PM |
| 12 | The wall is real.The wall is very real, and women hit it earlier and harder due to bad lifestyle choices. | /r/MGTOW | 25/12/16 06:16 PM |
| 15 | I have never been okay with the fact that women are the ones who choose men. How is that even okay?We are on the wrong side of history. Traditionally, men had a very large say as to who their daughters and sisters would marry. And the females weren't allowed to fool around in the interim; sex was either in marriage or within an extensive system of prostitution. Clearly, the old folk knew plenty about female nature, which we have since decided to forget. | /r/MGTOW | 25/12/16 06:13 PM |
| 1 | Before College/During CollegeParents worry about the debt their kids will incur by going to college. They should be more concerned about sending their kids to a brothel which happens to issue degrees. | /r/MGTOW | 23/12/16 08:04 AM |
| 1 | what are some beginner tips for going your own way?The only tip is to avoid relationships with women. That's it! | /r/MGTOW | 23/12/16 07:36 AM |
| 2 | Are Jewish women even worse than non jewish women?There's the concept of the Jewish Princess, which used to be a running joke 30 years ago (shrill, demanding, negative, demeaning women). 30 years on and all women are JPs! | /r/MGTOW | 23/12/16 07:32 AM |
| 2 | Marissa Mayer is proof that women cannot run companies.Just one look at her and you can tell she is not a trustworthy person. | /r/MGTOW | 22/12/16 07:51 PM |
| 0 | Be careful with 1 inch at a timeIf white people are privileged, its because our forefathers worked hard to create a society worth living in. I will never disown that legacy. | /r/MGTOW | 22/12/16 06:33 PM |
| 27 | The Most Honest Girl on TinderDaddy issues | /r/MGTOW | 22/12/16 05:03 PM |
| 5 | Most foreign women are easier, that's because they want that green card.Ukranian women are probably the worst at doing this (they can get away with it as they are very good looking). But like other EE women they blow up like beachballs post-kids. | /r/MGTOW | 22/12/16 04:46 PM |
| 7 | Better put a ring on it so it lasts forever.This has nothing to do with MGTOW, and more to do with a sad case of mental breakdown. | /r/MGTOW | 22/12/16 12:53 PM |
| 4 | Study shows men need to meet up with male friends twice a week to stay healthyThats 100 plus times a year. So dont get married. | /r/MGTOW | 21/12/16 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Anyone else think society is broken?I've seen a major decline in civility in the last 30 years. The English are not known for being friendly, they were however known for being polite. Now they don't even have that. | /r/MGTOW | 18/12/16 11:31 PM |
| 2 | How do you know when you have a NAWALT?Probably after Jesus has returned and justice reigns the New Creation. | /r/MGTOW | 12/12/16 08:14 PM |
| 1 | I'm glad I'm not a woman....Being human is hard enough. | /r/MGTOW | 12/12/16 08:03 PM |
| 2 | MGTOW nationalismI'm afraid there is no "solidarity". The only thing that creates solidarity is war, when people club together for their own self-preservation. But most men don't understand they are under attack in the first place, and in fairness the majority of men are as nasty as women. Go your own way. | /r/MGTOW | 12/12/16 08:02 PM |
| 16 | Today in tinder - case subject 0002: Viviane7 miles away? Time to move house. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 11:09 AM |
| 1 | You know the drillLate 20s. Nothing to do with my libido, entirely to do with having experienced the hell of a long term relationship. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 10:51 AM |
| 9 | Leonardo DiCaprio to Clooney after hearing the unfortunate news. AND THE STREAK CONTINUES!Ironic in that he is playing Jay Gatsby, who is the most blue pill character in English literature. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 10:25 AM |
| 17 | Work functions are a jokeThe work xmas party. I've seen some horrors in my time. My strategy is to turn up, be pleasant, have three drinks, and leave around 9.30pm. Also, don't shit on your own doorstep. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 09:42 AM |
| 2 | Staying single and free from women will keep you youngI used to always look older when growing up, but noticed a shift in my early 30s. My looks have pretty much stabalised whilst my married chums are in the stress bunker. Stress really ages you. It's not just the mrs, but all the other stuff you have to do to keep the mrs happy - such as putting up with a job you may hate, with long hours and a commute. As The Clash sang, Stay Free. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 08:04 AM |
| 11 | George Clooney, Wife Amal Ready For $300 Million Divorce: ReportNo sympathy. Not only did he marry a woman, he married a lawyer. | /r/MGTOW | 10/12/16 08:00 AM |
| 2 | Is marriage really always bad?Romance is crack cocaine. If you have the misfortune to spend time with a couple "deeply in love", then you are essentially hanging out with a couple of junkies. | /r/MGTOW | 06/12/16 07:30 AM |
| 1 | They Killed HollywoodA wise man once said, No one ever lost money trying to lower the standard of American popular culture. | /r/MGTOW | 05/12/16 09:34 PM |
| 2 | Never share your MGTOWYour right PC is coming to an end, but expect one last wave of persecution before it finally goes away. I only declare MGTOW to close friends, away from females, and only anonymously online. | /r/MGTOW | 27/11/16 06:24 PM |
| 3 | Stay strong, menIf Chad did her up the arse last night, she don't need to squeeze. | /r/MGTOW | 27/11/16 02:05 PM |
| 1 | On The Riots... Confirmation of What We Know Here.Liberalism has been in power for 35 years or so. After that time, you end up with social anarchies (gender wars, trans-gender nonsense, family implosion, the list goes on...) So you need 35 years of conservatism to right the ship keel. Hopefully the process is now gaining momentum, but I'm concerned that dipshit, PC-indoctrinated millennials will keep voting like retards and we'll end up back to where we started. | /r/MGTOW | 13/11/16 01:17 PM |
| 3 | White men are the most tolerant group of people on the planet.I wouldn't say white men are more tolerant by choice They are more downtrodden and defeated, mainly due to feminism, left wing victim blaming, the left wing teaching of European history as oppressive and racist. Most have simply been indoctrinated to be self-effacing to the point of cultural suicide. But there is often a reaction and I think we are now seeing the start of it. | /r/MGTOW | 12/11/16 07:35 PM |
| 7 | I'm staying a virgin foreverNo woman no cry. | /r/MGTOW | 12/11/16 07:20 PM |
| 7 | I'm sure this is okay since she's a woman and all. She's probably just triggered.Where's Kermit? | /r/MGTOW | 12/11/16 06:38 PM |
| 0 | A truly loving motherIn fairness, this is as much a race issue as a gender one. | /r/MGTOW | 12/11/16 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Are women in some countries more upfront about their hypergamous nature?I think the main reason why there are more blue pill white knighters is feminism. The UK and the USA are the countries most exposed to it (three fucking waves so far!). | /r/MGTOW | 12/11/16 06:34 PM |
| 1 | American white men are speaking: Unbelievable numbers for TRUMP!White working class men are finally waking up! Well done, brothers. | /r/MGTOW | 09/11/16 09:05 AM |
| 7 | How do you guys feel better about yourself?It's sad to say, but sometimes I read up on unhappy marriages online, and that makes me feel better. But longer term, volunteering, reading, socialising with like-minded people work for me. | /r/MGTOW | 08/11/16 01:04 PM |
| 6 | Deep inside, reflecting on my years, I realized I've been destined for this lifestyle.I'm a loner too, in that I can't stand being around people all the time. But I'm not a hermit, I need social interactions a couple of times a week, normally just down the pub. | /r/MGTOW | 08/11/16 12:37 PM |
| 1 | I'm yet to meet the first girl/women without mental issuesActing Crazy is a way of low IQ people attracting attention without having to engage in meaningful conversation. | /r/MGTOW | 07/11/16 08:52 AM |
| 1 | US Male Suicide Rates surge to 30 year highPoor devils, the lot of them. Western men should start organising public marches on this issue. | /r/MGTOW | 06/11/16 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Dropping out of the workforce and living simpleYes, I plan to find a small place in the countryside, and work remotely through consultancy gigs. I'm checking out a place next weekend. I prefer nature to people. Animals are honest. | /r/MGTOW | 05/11/16 10:30 AM |
| 5 | After 2 years on the dot, Ex-girlfriend messages me out of the blue. Guys, I believe now.Agreed. This has made my day. Winning! | /r/MGTOW | 05/11/16 10:26 AM |
| 2 | Early retirement is my next goal in life...Most people would get bored and depressed as they have no deep interests in life. I would love early retirement, I would just combine my deep interests (literature, history, theology) with a life of variety (volunteering, maybe a bit of consulting work, sports). | /r/MGTOW | 29/10/16 01:29 PM |
| 1 | What common mistakes do people make when choosing a life partner?Only get a life partner if you've been given a month to live. | /r/MGTOW | 29/10/16 12:56 PM |
| 15 | Why do men kill themselves much more frequently than women do?A number of reasons, but there is a war against men, particularly white Western men, i.e. feminism, deliberate destruction of manufacturing jobs, political correctness. Instead of grouping together and fighting back, they are opting to kill themselves. | /r/MGTOW | 29/10/16 12:38 PM |
| 2 | Religion & MGTOWI like the concept of Original Sin. The Fall helps explain a lot about people. And remember - it was the woman who first tasted the forbidden fruit. | /r/MGTOW | 16/10/16 07:13 PM |
| 1 | College Students: Masculinity Is 'Extremely Toxic To Our Mental Health'Not long ago women weren't allowed for the most part to attend university. We are seriously fucked. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 11:54 AM |
| 1 | College Students: Masculinity Is 'Extremely Toxic To Our Mental Health'Yep. Bring it on, I say. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 11:53 AM |
| 1 | Your stance on abortionmeh | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 11:53 AM |
| 3 | $15,000 for a rock.This 100 times. Mothers lose interest in their sons unless they can provide them with grandkids. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 09:28 AM |
| 1 | "My whole life has been one big mistake..."Whenever life gets really bad, I think to myself, at least I'm single, have not been married and divorce raped, and have no sprogs to care for. Then I'm ok. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 09:26 AM |
| 1 | What's going on Canada, having a rough time of it over there?The Germans might finally be waking up. Watch this space. But Canada is fucked. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 07:10 AM |
| 6 | The true cost of women: forget about money, gifts, and alimony, the worst of it is how much of your time is completely lostTime is seriously fucked up. I just can't get my head around it. "The days are long, the years are short." | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 07:07 AM |
| 3 | So how many of you are celibate as a result of MGTOW?I just knock one out and I'm good to go. | /r/MGTOW | 05/10/16 07:04 AM |
| 1 | Birth rate is just fine.I hope you are right. But in Europe, I see no sign of the Christian faith returning. Christ Himself could walk the streets and nobody would notice as they are too busy updating their FB profiles on their phones. I think there could be a nationalistic kick-back, but it may end up replicating the anti-religious fascist movements of the early twentieth-century (which ended up destroying more Europeans than anything previously). If I were to settle down and have a family, I would probably join a gro… | /r/MGTOW | 04/10/16 07:41 AM |
| 2 | Birth rate is just fine.There's a book titled "The religious will inherit the earth", all to do with higher birth rates amongst Amish, Mormons, traditional Catholics, Muslims and orthodox Jews. After having lived in a secular hedonistic culture, I say let them. | /r/MGTOW | 04/10/16 06:31 AM |
| 8 | Pregnant and ready to settle down? Oh boy!Seeing pregnant women on dating sites has to be one of the most depressing things in the world. | /r/MGTOW | 04/10/16 06:23 AM |
| 1 | Hatred within MGTOWMy hatred is for matriarchal societies, which simply don't work and make everybody miserable. I'm agnostic on human beings, both male and female. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 12:40 PM |
| 2 | [The end of the world is here] The Telegraph - Men are suffering more from sexism, Ann Widdecombe claimsShe's a complicated person, something of an English eccentric, I think she is speaking out partly because she enjoys the attention, but also because she tends to follow her conscience. Imagine if a male MP had said this - Game Over. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 10:48 AM |
| 6 | In the name of GOD do NOT be like the first redditor on this post!Blacks and women have both tried to build a culture on victimhood and it hasn't worked. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 10:37 AM |
| 1 | A Word of AdviceCompare the superficial, flaunting, look-at-me nonsense which passes for modern day masculinity with the truly hard bastards who fought in a world war, came home and got a job, and rarely spoke about it. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 10:23 AM |
| 2 | Misanthropy?Jean Calvin was right: Total Depravity. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 08:13 AM |
| 3 | Even blue pillers know the truth; they just package it in a format they can swallow.It's also a question of short term thinking. Most marriages don't collapse immediately, and most wives don't start acting up as soon as the ring is on the finger. Rather, it is a process of escalation and attrition over time. But unless they have the blessing of dying young, the day will eventually come when they realise they've made the biggest mistake of their lives. The Bell tolls for thee. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Even blue pillers know the truth; they just package it in a format they can swallow.That cartoon made me laugh out loud. | /r/MGTOW | 02/10/16 07:14 AM |
| 5 | Female entrepreneur is horrified after she's bombarded by men labelling her LinkedIn photo 'sexy' and 'tasty'"Beauty Expert"??! I despair, if this is what counts for beauty. The whole "Hair and Beutti" racket should be exposed for what it really is - the production of slappers on an industrial scale. I feel like I'm going insane. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:34 PM |
| 5 | This is what I get for starting to like a girl. Thanks for making it easy to go my own way."Neither a borrower nor a lender be." A Pimp, however... | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:31 PM |
| 4 | Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie Strike Temporary Divorce Deal That Includes Drug Testing, TherapyI daresay drugs were keeping him sane whilst being married to that deluded skank. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 06:03 PM |
| 2 | I just don't initiate anymore... and I feel so much better for it!It can be, but I've known this person for 10 years now. I think the key to it working as a friendship is that we only see one another every 6 months or so and also a certain degree of formality. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Mental illness soars among young women in England â surveyThree Strikes and you're Out. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 05:40 PM |
| 1 | Mental illness soars among young women in England â surveyBest comment I've read on this forum. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 05:39 PM |
| 1 | male suicide - the lost MGTOWsYep. The article says the worst affected are married men. No surprise there - we all know how married women smash the friendship structures of their husbands. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 12:32 PM |
| 1 | Solution to every problem! Get laid.If they were intimated by you, you'd be upto your nuts in guts. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 11:14 AM |
| 2 | School girls attack restaurant workers. Stabbing them with screwdrivers, broke their nose with boots, and used racial slurs.80% of the population believes in nothing really (godless hedonism) vs 20% who believe in Islam. Always bet on the 20% who will die for their cause. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 10:56 AM |
| 2 | Girlfriend sectioned into a Mental WardTry to be a savior and you end up on a cross. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:51 AM |
| 1 | School girls attack restaurant workers. Stabbing them with screwdrivers, broke their nose with boots, and used racial slurs.Job Done. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:39 AM |
| 2 | Which events in your life caused you to believe in MGTOW? For me, it all started it all started in 5th grade when my teacher told me she got divorced and she had to go to many court dates. The divorce put a huge strain on her children. Then my 12th grade English teacher told me how she got divorcedI like Peace. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:33 AM |
| 1 | Woman Are AmoralTheir remorse is more centred on motherhood (the shame/fear of being an inadequate mother) than on infidelity. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:18 AM |
| 1 | One Night Stands: Why Guys Disappear After Sleeping with a woman OnceIn fairness, Chad can't hang around, as he has 5 other broads to slam tonight. Hard work being an Alpha. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:15 AM |
| 2 | Searching for the cure for solipsismI'd say men are more solipsistic than women. most women need to be surrounded by friends and children, or engaging over social media. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 09:03 AM |
| 1 | Two days into my first ever job, I am made aware that I am in a blue pill environment.Is it a play on John Milton's "Paradise Lost"? "He for God, she for God in Him". | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 08:58 AM |
| 1 | What's your stance on adoption?I wouldn't be around were it not for adoption. It really depends on the kids. I knew a couple who decided to adopt two young Thai boys (brothers). As soon as they got them home, they found out the older boy had a seriously violent streak, and would knock the crap out of the younger one. Turns out there was a long history of family abuse to start with. They couldn't deal with it in the end. Saying that, I know one couple who adopted kids with some awful backgrounds, and they managed to turn them … | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 08:31 AM |
| 13 | List of things that every girl will say"My kids are my world." | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 08:27 AM |
| 1 | Update on the bride to be who got caught kissing another man during her hen night not long back... She has typically been forgiven & the wedding is " back on " .. Her future husband might as well strap an " Open all hours " sign over his asshole, because he's inevitably going to get fucked.I'm getting myself one of those bright yellow baseball caps. | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 07:48 AM |
| 1 | Update on the bride to be who got caught kissing another man during her hen night not long back... She has typically been forgiven & the wedding is " back on " .. Her future husband might as well strap an " Open all hours " sign over his asshole, because he's inevitably going to get fucked."Pablo, I want to go to Cancun for our honeymoon." "Yes, darling". | /r/MGTOW | 01/10/16 07:45 AM |
| 7 | Just say NO to facebookI've heard reports of girls getting depressed if they post a selfie and it doesn't get a 100 likes. Even the Old Testament prophets would have struggled to get their heads around the social media pandemic of vanity. Off to put the finishing touches to my Ark. | /r/MGTOW | 30/09/16 07:19 PM |
| 3 | No one cares if you are mgtowI've no problem with paying for taxes for infrastructure. The issue is how the social dependency tax bill is increasing exponentially. I In the UK, we spend 44 billion sterling a year on the welfare state, and that's rising. The main reason for the rise - the breakdown of the family unit. Now secretly the State likes this, as by replacing the role of fathers, it makes itself indispensable, and so it will always have the support of a growing class of dependents. In other words, this is a route to… | /r/MGTOW | 30/09/16 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Response to "Oh you'll find someone someday?" that every guy has been told at some point or another.They never set you up with the hot single friends, just the heifers. | /r/MGTOW | 30/09/16 07:19 AM |
| 1 | The Look of the Post MGTOW era for WomenBroad shoulders, he looks like an alpha. | /r/MGTOW | 30/09/16 07:14 AM |
| 9 | Just felt like sharing a experience from the Beach yesterday. :-)A lovely old man, with not an ounce of malice to him, once said to me, "Is nothing sacred any more?" He was referring to the fact that his much loved working mans club had recently been forced to allow female members, who quickly started to pass their own rules. | /r/MGTOW | 30/09/16 04:46 AM |
| 1 | Why do more men commit suicide than women?Because we are the blame for all the world's problems, so suicide is an act of repentance. | /r/MGTOW | 29/09/16 08:15 PM |
| 3 | The Daily Mail Joins the MGTOW Marketing/Shaming Team: "MGTOWs are Kissless Virgins, Homophobes, Alt-Righters, and Did We Mention They Are Anti-Feminist?"In which case, I'm going to marry Valerie. | /r/MGTOW | 28/09/16 03:11 PM |
| 1 | Think again about talking to female bartenders, you just might be arrested for sexual harassment.I'd need to be comatose from alcohol to want to chat up that ugly heifer. Barmaids are generally employed because of their attractiveness, I don't see how they can complain, it's in the job description. | /r/MGTOW | 27/09/16 04:24 AM |
| 1 | A disaster is looming for American menLarry Summers is a tool. | /r/MGTOW | 27/09/16 03:25 AM |
| 2 | What I wish would happen every time I see someone posing for a selfie or staged photoThe sea don't care. | /r/MGTOW | 27/09/16 03:10 AM |
| 11 | How to Use Women but not for SexShe rejected him because she was deceived by the feminist career myth. Not because he was too beta. I have a small amount of sympathy for her, in this case. | /r/MGTOW | 27/09/16 03:08 AM |
| 5 | Is one bad experience enough to go MGTOW?1 bad experience isn't enough for most people, I'd say it took me around 5 bad experiences before I started making my own conclusions. But I would still be clueness were it not for forums like this. | /r/MGTOW | 26/09/16 02:04 PM |
| 1 | How to beat feminismFeminism is but one component of the New Left / Frankfurt School, which is essentially an attack upon white Western institutions like the family, the courts, and the universities. There may be a reaction forming...but for the time being, I'm keeping a low profile. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 06:21 PM |
| 5 | Johnny Depp is the epitome of a blue pillerHe's probably just trying to rehabilitate his reputation. If he stood shoulder to shoulder with Pitt, he'd be fucked. Hollywood Values. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 06:17 PM |
| 6 | Do I belong here or do I misunderstand?Most men struggle to make a small percentage of what you are going to earn. So you are a winner. You may not think so, but believe me, you are. Go for option 1. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 04:58 PM |
| 6 | DJ Fatboy Slim gets dumped by wife of 18 years not long after she is caught kissing young boy band star at an after party... years earlier she had an affair with his best friend as well.Imagine if this was the other way around, the media would be destroying his reputation....how far we have come from just fifty years ago, when being an adulteress made a woman the lowest of the low. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 03:51 PM |
| 3 | DJ Fatboy Slim gets dumped by wife of 18 years not long after she is caught kissing young boy band star at an after party... years earlier she had an affair with his best friend as well.Zoe Ball occasionally does a radio show on the BBC. She plays crap music from the 90s when she was pre-wall. I think she has yet to accept her age and grow up. She is also a bit thick and intensely annoying. Fatboy Slim gets no sympathy from me, as I hate his garbage music. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 03:43 PM |
| 5 | TIL rap/hip-hop legend 2Pac was a MGTOW member... basically speakingMany black 90s rappers were prophets. Black family life collapsed about 20 years before it has done so for whites, so they were shining a light on what its like to live in a world in which all sexual mores have collapsed...listen and learn. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 12:49 PM |
| 54 | Brad was not Alpha enoughShe will destroy him publicly in order to attain Diana-like sainthood. Pitt was a stupid fucker in the first place as it was well known she was unusually batshit crazy, even for Hollywood. Di Caprio meanwhile has just woken up on his desert island and is thinking, life is good. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 12:45 PM |
| 1 | My history with women......wall of bullshit text incomingGet laid, but why have a relationship? The two don't go hand-in-hand any more. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/09/16 12:16 PM |
| 2 | as a male no one gives a shit about you. embrace it it actually means you are free (: .People misunderstood shame. They think if someone shames you, they somehow care about you. They don't. Fuck being shamed. Just laugh it off. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 11:59 AM |
| 3 | What if women don't need guys any more, and guys don't care?The problem is, the 20 percent can service and impregnate all the women, they just can't afford to raise them so the women and the Chad-Spawn end up financially dependent on the state. So who pays? The 80 percent betas, via the tax system. Starve the system by not marrying a discarded single mom by all means, but the only long-term solution is some form of tax strike. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 10:47 AM |
| 1 | MGTOW Don't Tip WomenPeople in services have to work for asshole managers, and deal with the general public (aka wankers). But I'd never give an extra tip just because it's a hot female, the same way I would never buy a barmaid a drink. I'm gender neutral on the issue. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 10:43 AM |
| 2 | Feminist in her deathbed...The woman was a sociopath and a bully. She probably felt a pang of regret as she realised she was going downstairs rather than up. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 10:24 AM |
| 9 | What if women don't need guys any more, and guys don't care?The older male generation worked like trojans. My grandfather went to war, then worked six days a week as a maintenance man, he promptly dropped dead a couple of months after retirement. But he was at least automatically allocated a certain status as head of the household in exchange for his noble labours. Now, a man is expected to work every hour God sends, then put up with a nagging shrill, whilst watching TV which consistently demeans him. I like to think that if my grandfather were in my sho… | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 09:27 AM |
| 2 | The only NAWALTS are pornstars!One of the most used arguments against the pornography industry is that it subjugates women. In my naive days, I used to buy this argument. But clearly the majority of porn actresses are doing it voluntarily, partly because they love the money, and partly because they love the attention. I also suspect they are attracted to it because of the bad boy element. Women in general have a more flexible conscience and standards when it comes to sex. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 09:20 AM |
| 1 | I'm Weak... What Should I do.Step out of yourself for a minute. Hover above your head. Look down on your brain. See all those feel-good chemicals messing up your brain chemistry? The same chemicals get released when you do cocaine. That's all this is. Now imagine your brain when all those feel-bad chemicals are swirling around a few months down the line. The shit tests, the fear of infidelity, the nagging. That's all this is. A chemical romance. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 09:05 AM |
| 1 | What If Feminism Was Created By Men to Save MenFeminist ideas have always been bubbling away throughout history, but the thing that bought them to the surface was technology like the dishwasher which liberated women from living in the kitchen. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 08:16 AM |
| 2 | Living in a van for 60$I can't see the appeal of living in that particular van. A fuck you Winnebago would be fine, however. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 05:21 AM |
| 8 | He was the perfect date — until it was time to pay.Hungry for justice. Or a burger. A Justice Burger. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 05:14 AM |
| 4 | 40 year old men of wisdomCougars/milfs should be cheaper dates, as it's a marketplace, and they know their value isn't as high as a hot chick in her 20s. This means they should be more willing to share the costs of the dates. But at the same time, some will have high expectations of the kind of places you are going to go for dinner. The best dates financially are hot young women from poor countries, as you can take them to a cheap Chinese place and they are grateful for simply getting fed. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 05:06 AM |
| 6 | Women put zero effort into matingI enjoy talking to women if I'm going to learn something new. This invariably means talking to women from a different country, as I can ask them about where they live, what to see if I ever visited, etc. Some women can suddenly become rather patriotic and even more traditionalist for a few moments when thinking of their homeland, as if for a small number of seconds, feminism had never been invented...but the moment never lasts long, alas. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 05:02 AM |
| 10 | 40 year old men of wisdomIn your 20s, bang milfs, in your 40s, bang chicks. In your 30s, simply keep a low profile and DON'T get married. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 04:56 AM |
| 2 | Did anyone else know how fucked spain was? Is this where the west is headed?It's a shame as under Franco, and due to its hardcore Catholic past, Spain used to a traditionalist stronghold, with a high birthrate and strong families. But when you let the matriarchs out of the house and into the public square, you get mayhem. The sooner the country gets retaken by the Muslim hoards, the better. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 04:52 AM |
| 2 | Best thing in the world is not sexThe French used to call the male orgasm the "little death". | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 04:50 AM |
| 7 | Best thing in the world is not sexYep, being broke through alimony payments, where you would otherwise be comfortably off, must be the worst situation and is probably the main reason for the rising male suicide rate. | /r/MGTOW | 25/09/16 04:44 AM |
| 1 | [Rant] Disgusted around people.Europe is worse off, as America still has a core of religious belief and the situation can be salvaged. If I had to use a word to describe Europe, it would be "tired". We destroyed our continent in two world wars, and I don't think its able to recover. Cultural Marxism, Feminism, and Third World Immigration haven't helped us either. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 06:47 PM |
| 1 | British women are travelling to the Calais Jungle ‘to have SEX with migrants – and some have multiple partners in a day’I wonder, will Mamma Merkel show up for a gangbang? | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 04:34 PM |
| 3 | British women are travelling to the Calais Jungle ‘to have SEX with migrants – and some have multiple partners in a day’I tend to see the bad side of human nature. But even I'm surprised by this story. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 04:25 PM |
| 11 | Oversized Clothiers Lane Bryant again tries to rebrand serious female Obesity with denialism ad campaign subverting true self improvement with comical slogans "Slay Sister Slay", "Serious Body Love" and "Fierceness on Fleek"Sponsored by Burger King. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 04:14 PM |
| 4 | MGTOW community, how do you feel about females in your life that you love?"Hi, how are you? Great, thanks, see you later." That's as far as I want to take it. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 03:03 PM |
| 2 | A Double Truth Bomb - "Women Slut Shame Women and Hate Their Friends" - Scientifically ProvenWe often discuss how women can't love men in the same way men love women. What's less discussed is how women can't enjoy and sustain loyal friendships with members of their own sex in the same way men can. Most young women keep their female friends around for validation. You could argue they use their female friends to same way they use men, as a resource. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 11:14 AM |
| 1 | this year has been horrible, should I give up on women altogether?This is a really excellent post. Should have garnered more upvotes. | /r/MGTOW | 24/09/16 07:48 AM |
| 2 | a rantLife is shit for most people, it's just one thing after another. Saying that, there are some people who just see the positive in things. Maybe you can retrain your mind to a certain extent, but if you have a depressive temperament, it's always going to be with you. I don't think I'd kill myself but I live a pretty hedonistic lifestyle to escape the boredom of life, which I know means I won't live past 60, but that's ok with me. I'm 35 and I've achieved pretty much everything I ever wanted to do,… | /r/MGTOW | 23/09/16 07:51 AM |
| 2 | Pessimistic philosophyIm a cynic with a dry sense of humour. But I wouldn't want to hang out with people like me. I enjoy the company of more positive people when getting wasted (I just reserve the right to think they are ultimately deluded about the nature of reality). | /r/MGTOW | 23/09/16 03:44 AM |
| 1 | Porn says it all.I can't tell the difference between porn and what counts for popular culture these days. Young kids are growing up exposed to garbage like Kim Kardashian, surely that's going to poison their minds. | /r/MGTOW | 22/09/16 06:59 AM |
| 2 | To Be Single Or Not To Be Single? That Is The QuestionAs much as we critique the stupidity of the average married man, the truth is many of them actually enjoy "being under the thumb". It's a light form of masochism, I think. As a movement MGTOW will always be limited to more independent spirits. I suspect I would have chosen to remain single in 1816 as well as 2016. | /r/MGTOW | 22/09/16 06:56 AM |
| 6 | MGTOW Men over 40, how do go through life being MGTOWI rarely feel lonely when I'm on my own. I feel acutely lonely when I'm in a room full of people I have nothing in common with, which it has to be said, is the majority of the human race. | /r/MGTOW | 20/09/16 07:05 AM |
| 7 | Modern women in a nutshellIt's a troll, it is too clearly written to be the work of a genuine dumb shit. | /r/MGTOW | 20/09/16 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Any man who gets married in this day and age is mentally ill - Brainwashed, Insane or just plain ignorant.The problem is that everyone of us thinks we are more special than anyone else, and hence exempt from the trend. But it ain't so. | /r/MGTOW | 19/09/16 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Men don't want to date single mothersAnd she gets a bite in the ass a few years down the track, when Chad Junior goes Juvenile. | /r/MGTOW | 19/09/16 07:59 AM |
| 1 | What More Than Anything Makes You Fulfilled?I've never been a huge fan of life on this rock, but the things which make me feel better than usual include: volunteering at a local work group once a month (fixing things, working with my hands) bike rides in the countryside reading books on a subject I am engaged in Everything else (TV, internet, dating, drinking) is just a dopamine hit which emotionally you are lucky to break-even from. I lack patience, and it's a great regret that I am not a more patient person, as I think I could find fulf… | /r/MGTOW | 19/09/16 07:43 AM |
| 2 | The Sudden Rise Of Fertility CampaignsWhen the faith dies (and the traditional marriage arrangements it institutionalises), the people die. No ad campaign can reverse the trend. The Western peoples are just going to disappear over the next fifty years. In such a situation, it would be immoral to introduce a little kid into what will be an entirely alien culture, in which he or she will have to grow up as a persecuted minority. | /r/MGTOW | 19/09/16 06:43 AM |
| 2 | What was your tipping point?I've never trusted people. Charles Du Gaulle said, countries don't have friends, they have interests, and the same can be said of people, including those closest to you. I'd never bet my future on a human being. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 07:16 PM |
| 12 | According to dailymail Modern women are batshit cuntsThe most interesting thing about this article is the fact that the women have given up their anonymity, i.e. they have admitted in public that they suffer from anger problems. Some people will do anything for five minutes of attention. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 05:41 PM |
| 1 | Is there such thing as a happy marriage???I've just attended an arranged marriage. They are family affairs, rather than romantic occasions. The women know that if they act up and play around, they will be out on their ear, as they will now be disowned by both sides of the family. My Indian friend had previously called it off with another woman he had intended to marry, and she is now damaged goods, which I find unfair, but at the end of the day, the institution of marriage will always have to favour one of the two sexes, and in Indian c… | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 05:36 PM |
| 5 | this year has been horrible, should I give up on women altogether?Mainly because I need a combination of MGTOW theory and practice, i.e. you need to remind yourself of the ridiculousness of the dating situation by participating in it once in a while, in addition to learning from others via forums like this. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 05:25 PM |
| 2 | Is there such thing as a happy marriage???The best I've seen are happily functioning marriages. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 02:47 PM |
| 1 | You can't hold frame with someone you're madly in love with (or why TRP/PUA is bullshit).The PUA movement has no room for Love in the first place, it sees it as a temporary form of insanity. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 02:46 PM |
| 1 | So, I really wanted to tell the whole community this, something that I am extremely proud of: Just yesterday, I was accepted into a position at a 100k$+ a year finance firm as a fresh 22 year old. I want to thank this community, I truly believe that if I wasn't MGTOW, this would have never happened.Congratulations, well done. Don't tell people in real life what you earn (even family members) as it breeds resentment and attracts low-lifes. And don't invest too much - the financial system is still essentially bankrupt, but gold and gold miners are a good place to be. As others have said, live frugal, save, and build transferable skills so you can ditch the career if it starts to drag. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Inside America's Billion Dollar Divorce IndustryAs Freud said, American was a mistake. | /r/MGTOW | 18/09/16 01:37 PM |
| 3 | The Guardian Bans Comments About Men Suffering Domestic Violence in an Article About Domestic ViolenceI'm 35. In my life, men in the West have gone from being accepted as the leaders of society, to the dregs of society. God help you all. | /r/MGTOW | 10/09/16 07:31 AM |
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