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she asks "The usual?" it is a huge difference compared to a super cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 08:46 PM
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the real romance is between him and the teacher.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/22 07:53 PM
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it is advice. it is shit that you do NOT want to do. such as eating healthy as much as possible. you gotta find something easy to make, some basic sandwich. not only is it healthier, you save more money too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:47 AM
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you can make a better loaf. it's surprisingly easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 04:14 AM
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check out silicone scar sheets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 05:37 AM
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absolutely stunning. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7459785/Bond-Girl-Ana-Armas-looks-stunning-black-midi-dress-running-errands-Los-Angeles.html
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/22 05:34 AM
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a lot of people here think this, but i don't think they actually gave it a lot of thought. this is an argument that multiple women here have used: they have fewer orgasms from casual sex so it clearly sucks, in general, for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 05:41 AM
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they have texas and the south. it does seem lopsided economically. but texas is still pretty strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 10:44 PM
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well, we're talking about some bizarro world where there is a civil war between liberals and conservatives. if dudes are stabbing each other over political parties, then, yes, they would probably physically separate and join their tribe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 10:41 PM
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who is in power making the decisions? if you're conservative, you might want to move to a middle or southern state. same with liberal people in middle states, they probably would need to pack up and move. maybe the west coast will become one nation, and the north atlantic will become another nation. The middle would be split up but mostly conservative nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:55 PM
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it would be like the coasts vs the middle states.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 09:41 PM
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Because it’s in your brain to LIKE things that are pleasant to the eye. WHY? that's where i'm going with this. WHY is that in your brain? the people who were interested in aesthetics were able to reproduce and pass down their genes so their descendants were also interested in aesthetics. people who have zero appreciation for anything aesthetic don't really exist. they were unable to pass down their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:46 AM
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the natural reply is: WHY do people "just like" aesthetically pleasing things. It certainly is NOT that simple. Aesthetics itself has evolved. people generally find babies CUTE, which is related to survival. (you pay more attention to cute things.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/22 06:02 AM
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porn is an opportunity that's become normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 03:27 AM
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that might be people who identify as catholic, not currently practicing and going to church weekly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 11:26 PM
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there are way more people in the public school system than practicing catholics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:36 PM
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who cares. the fact his name is associated with it makes me not want to even look the game up to see what it is about. it's just a gimmick. or martinisms will be bolted onto the game. when you remove all traces of martin the game will be slicker and more consistent. FromSoftware doesn't need celebrity gimmicks to make good games. They are so good that celebrities will make their games slightly worse at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 04:29 AM
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then who is ukraine's saddam? zelenskyy?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 08:33 AM
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put some real numbers behind it. 105 IQ and 9.5/10 vs 150 IQ and 5.5/10. the limits for each are top male supermodels vs. the founders of google. yet still, the average 8+ person i know is stuck in an average job (both men and women).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:15 AM
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that's why a girl can walk into a bank and get a 40 million dollar loan. male con artists usually need to put in a little bit more effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 01:34 AM
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compared to what? One urge per year? how about urges every day for a faithful person vs. one urge per year for someone who only cheats once per year?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 11:55 PM
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i agree: 90's were the best. even animated shows for kids like spiderman are ridiculously good. you also had like bill nye stuff that i really think was amazing for TV. i did hear from more than one person, at least around when Game of Thrones was in the first few seasons: "this is the golden age of TV." chemistry is probably super hard and somewhat random... and of course you're stuck with those actors. i heard people without good chemistry will influence the writers on future seasons, maybe th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:55 PM
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that's actually how misogyny works sometimes. it's not rational or logical or capitalistic. here's an example i witnessed: A: "Bro, our area is 30% hispanic. if you hire a spanish-speaking person, we will get a lot more revenue. I've literally seen it happen at my previous job." B: "Nah." 5 years later: business is closed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:33 PM
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so much shit has to come together to make a show good: the writing, the actors, the producers, the money...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 08:26 PM
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if your ratings are trustworthy, and you are considered an accurate rater, then you're good at not being subjective. that's how some straight men rate men better than some women, and some straight women rate women better than some men. we're trying to remove subjectivity, not allow for more of it. a rating is for communicating information to another person. you can't have seen tom cruise and nicole kidman walk by you a long time ago and claim "i saw a 1 with a 10 before" or the info you are shar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 12:34 AM
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no man who is a 6 and married to a 6 would be able to stay loyal if he could regularly get 10's whenever he feels like it by walking around and being approached by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 10:03 PM
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but men who are straight are rating men more accurately than some women, and vice versa. the whole point is to be objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:30 PM
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it's clear that there are people here that are better at it than others. if mean rating is close to objective, some people just consistently hit mean rating better than others, and a few people definitely really suck at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 11:28 PM
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tons of guys have already been saying this from the beginning. and it's the same as guys saying JGL is above average and women can't accept that. it's not just some men, but some women just can't objectively rate both men and women. there's some real phenomenon that's happening, and it happens to both men and women. they can't rate. period. it is a skill that needs to be worked on and you get better at.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 10:57 PM
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i don't reject IQ tests though. I just believe a 5 point difference could mean possible social differences. i would not believe a 25 point difference can be covered by social differences in the same societies/same schooling, etc. i also will agree that the ratio doesn't matter. nothing wrong with men who played video games for decades being far better surgeons than everyone else. the right move would be to hire those dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 02:35 AM
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it could mean various development rates of the children, which could be influenced by things like puberty. it doesn't necessarily mean social influence doesn't exist. even re-taking the iq test will probably increase scores somewhat. practicing the skills that they test will definitely increase your scores, up to a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:56 AM
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is it enough to conclude anything? even playing 3d video games probably increases your visualization skills. men play more video games... or men feel more pressure to be good at math, or are more competitive and that increases their scores.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:23 AM
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it might not for the next generation. so a woman with a 90% female child chance will still have a female child with 90% chance. but half the genes of THAT child come from dad. so THAT child might have get a 50% chance of having female children from her dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 03:35 AM
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you don't need to assume that. say a tribe A is 90% female and tribe B is 50% male. that's an easy tribe to takeover, you might not even need a war. you might just merge when a bunch of dudes just decide to live with your tribe because it has so many women. but say only the top 20% of Tribe B men successfully reproduce with tribe A women. say those women have 90% female children. But those female children are now 50% genes from Tribe B. In other words, some next generation females may no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 11:46 PM
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what happened to species before us, sticks around and affects us today. that's why we still share genes with corn on the cob. if a tribe evolves and passes down to most of its female members a 90% chance of having a female child, even the male children's future female children will have the genes of 90% female child chances. but if another tribe is all 50% genes, they will procreate with that other tribe and dilute those 90% genes. maybe they end up at 70%. But even a tribe that is 70% female is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:51 PM
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more than a few call bird the goat.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:42 PM
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because, if your tribe is 90% female, it gonna be overtaken by a tribe that is 50% male. if your tribe is 90% men, you can't sustain the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 10:36 PM
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you don't need to use nazi germany as an example. there are thousands, maybe millions, of other examples of stuff like massacres and mobs lynching some kid because of the color of his skin. it's silly to argue that not almost everyone is capable of being a part of that mob. that does NOT mean that there can't be a group of good people who do something amazing at certain times.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 09:39 PM
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i don't know. it's possible. but i think it would be clear that if you did that, you increase the chances your friends are killed. and even increase the chances that hitler becomes ruler of earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:37 PM
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is it racism though? or just a fact that this is more common in india than most places: https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/24/india/india-gang-rape-mumbai-girl-intl-hnk/index.html these gang rapes are samples where 100% of the men in that situation raped a woman. i don't make a conclusion about indian men using that sample, i make a conclusion about ALL MEN IN THE WORLD. this says something about humans, universally. This is what the most important literature in the world actually teaches us: That we a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:15 PM
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it is about how normalized rape is. we all know in places like india, like 40 out of 40 men will rape a girl and no man will stop it by calling the cops or something. that's a sample where 100% of the men are rapists. so 100% of men can be potential rapists, in my opinion. ok, that sounds awful. but go back in history and you find all sorts of things that used to be normal, like killing people in a duel. get every 18 year old and hand them each a gun and have them run toward the 18 year olds of …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:21 PM
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your mom's friends will figure out how to come over when she's not around to drop something off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:43 PM
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he did a normal response to a certain degree: Beat him up. that's not necessarily homophobic. he just happened to die.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:39 PM
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that will fuck average dudes it goes well beyond that. there are 5'5" guys that will fuck up 6'3" guys that are not average dudes, but have trained all their life in martial arts, wrestling, knife fighting, etc. just look at pacquiao, canelo, mayweather and the guys they beat. you have better chances against oscar de la hoya than pacquiao. if you're 6'2", a top athlete and maybe top amateur boxer in your state and you train your entire life and study boxing video, hire nutritionists, and hire tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:48 PM
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JGL is like a face 7, maybe 8 peak. adam driver is like a face 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:22 AM
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that's why two dudes can accidentally bump into each other and suddenly they're calling their crews over and there's a 500 man battle at a denny's.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:46 PM
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11 pts would be insane and probably even worse than a 10 point difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 05:58 AM
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what about 8 point difference? That must be weird. 10 point difference is probably the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 05:27 AM
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that's not entirely accurate. some women give signals and if YOU don't approach HER, she considers it a rejection. this discussion has come up a few times. where i agree with you is that if you are good looking, you don't need game and you would already know that you don't need game. at the very least, you would get ridiculous signals. but you can also argue that a 7 is technically good looking too, but maybe they might need game.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 08:04 AM
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5'8" 7/10 face is probably good enough to swindle people at this level of looks: https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:53 AM
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https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1 these aren't beckies though if beckies are supposed to be 5-7 on the scale. these are 4, maybe some possibly 3.5 if makeup is removed and you also see what their bodies look like? some may be beckies, but here, 3 out of 3 non-beckies. not looking good.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 07:45 AM
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it's lonely at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 08:28 PM
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settling is dark and depressing. it is fucked up to think that half your friends settled, or maybe your mom settled and she's thinking about fucking another dude right now. that is some dark shit. You're basically saying the world social institutions and systems are about prostitution. The current world is the implementation of mass systematized prostitution and governments and churches are merely pimps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 04:00 AM
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we need way more TRP movie and book recs and reviews. my thoughts: I enjoyed how "normal" it was for him to date her, which surprises him a little, to see how accepted it is by the chris pratt character. it is a little commentary on how things are in the real world, where things like getting married to someone on OLD was weird, but now it is just perfectly normal. People used to find partners on chatrooms, and I used to make fun of those people. Now, nothing is strange about it to me, it's actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:39 PM
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yet if you observe women in real life, you may have seen a woman completely speechless when meeting a man for the first time. like taking deep breaths, nervous as fuck, trembling, can't focus, can't stop staring, etc. this is mostly visual. and this doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen, and shouldn't be ignored in building a theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 08:31 AM
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work out and get good looking, and see how many more strangers are ogling your body. you might be surprised. there is something very inconsistent about what is said here and what is seen in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 03:16 AM
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you just don't know enough people if you really don't know anyone your height. we're not talking about 4'7". every place i've worked at had guys that height. yeah, it's a short height, but it's not "rare" or an "outlier."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:34 AM
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how tall are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 02:52 AM
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even if you consider 5'6" and under a disadvantage, that is a LOT of people. every school and workplace has guys in that range. if you roughly just go with 10% of men are short, that's a thousand men in a college with 10,000 men in it. most of us know guys that are 5'3" (or we actually are a guy that is 5'3".) That's 1 out of 75 guys. it is not insanely rare. so they are our friends, or husbands, or family, or children, etc. the attention that it gets makes sense. the fact that it is considered …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 01:31 AM
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exactly. nearly everyone conforms. even guys that don't like sluts are conformists in a way. the greatest literature respects prostitutes: The Bible, Leaving Las Vegas, etc. only a true non-conformist can fall in love with a prostitute. If you can't fall in love with a prostitute, you are very far from being a non-conformist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:53 AM
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people share links here to other posts by guys that are struggling. Those guys show their profile pictures, and they claim they are not getting matches. sometimes people here start rating the guys, and sometimes there are guys who are on average, rated as a 7+, by people in this forum. I think from how often this happens, it is very possible that a 7 can struggle on OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 09:23 PM
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you can easily argue it. you're selecting higher iq than your partners. and then you're selecting higher height than your partner. that's focused selection of traits. 6/6/6 is slightly above average too in each category depending on your location. but only 1% of men have all three. flip a coin 5 times and get 5 heads to simulate above average in each category. that's 3% of men. If you're selecting 5 categories to be slightly above average, you're ruling out 97% of all men. That's extreme focus, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:57 PM
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different things like low iq and short stature?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:35 PM
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you can easily argue that it does. many women choose donors taller than their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:32 PM
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no woman on earth thinks like that. only personality matters. sperm donors can easily be 4'11" and they will be selected at the same rate if they have great personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 08:27 PM
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some women here don't think other women have sex with strangers, or even just lust after a man after seeing him for less than a few minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 04:51 AM
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didn't code until late twenties. am a dev now. van gogh started painting at age 27. i was looking up some graduate program, and the average age was like 30. some of the things they mentioned are difficult, especially education. but none are even close to impossible. the idea that they're impossible is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:40 AM
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if you read r/skincareaddiction you see so many good looking people with acne and scars.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 12:56 AM
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advice for women: a guy who is 5'11.5" may not want to message you... even a guy who is 6'3" might believe he's not good enough if you mention 6'+. after all, he's on the extreme low end of that 6' to infinite height scale. he BARELY makes the cut. he's only 3 inches above the minimum requirement On top of that, you might end up with a 5'9" guy who claims he's 6' and you won't figure it out until 5 years later, when you see that he's clearly shorter than the 5'10" guy that you wouldn't date beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:26 PM
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vitamin d, diet changes, almost no fast food, good fats, exercise, challenging the mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 07:58 AM
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they want to find out if you actually exist and you look reasonably similar to the person that is described in the profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 04:02 AM
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tiger woods has a ridiculous amount of status and wealth, as the greatest of all time in a popular sport. he still had to convince women he was getting a divorce and looking for a new wife in order to get laid. very few people alive today are the greatest of all time in a top 10 sport. if you count tied as the greatest, such as in tennis, where there are 3 contenders, and you are extremely generous with giving out this title, max 100 athletes in the entire world have this level of status. someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 12:16 AM
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but he's 167 in that picture. that's the point. it doesn't necessarily look insane, though it sounds bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 10:09 PM
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tiger woods did that. he had to convince women he was getting a divorce and looking for a new wife. they would not simply fuck this guy. that's a brutal pill, considering tiger is the greatest of all time in an extremely popular sport.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:38 PM
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https://www.ringtv.com/584703-weigh-in-alert-callum-smith-167-4-john-ryder-167-4/ 6'3" and 167... isn't as insane as it sounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 09:29 PM
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women literally cry when you don't check them out when they're all made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 08:09 AM
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i agree, but 6 inches is also commonly described as a desirable trait by women, since a long time ago. so is not only 6', but 5'10" is another common cut off height. 6 figures... depends on the city.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:54 AM
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seinfeld is genius social commentary though. it's not "friends"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/22 05:50 AM
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the hot/cold seems pretty extreme. i don't think that's the M.O. of any friend or coworker i've ever known. maybe this online shit is different. coworkers at least have to face each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:12 AM
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i'm not saying he's only slightly above average. what i'm saying is that IF some guy out there is slightly above average, he can manipulate people like this: https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1 i'm saying most guys aren't interested in doing a 180, even if they're interested in casual sex, they are polite enough to communicate that they're not interested in further dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 07:03 AM
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slightly above average RP dude could get that IF they were willing to date below average girls and IF they were willing to just ghost people straight up. most guys are not like that. they're not doing a COMPLETE 180 like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 06:34 AM
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a lot of the girls he was meeting were well below average. i think most slightly above average men could date those girls without even trying too hard. the difference is that most men will give you a reason to break up after some dates, like "I wasn't feeling a connection." This dude just straight up ghosted, but his name was also Caleb, not Mike or James. That was his most significant trait: his name. not his height, not his looks, not his manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 03:19 AM
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just a young person observing that the real world is different from what everyone seems to be saying online. same question that short guys ask when they ask about women's height preferences. same as when guys ask about dick preferences. if black women are struggling, it hurts the black pill narrative, at least a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 12:41 AM
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There's only one type of immigrant that I truly hate: Native Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 09:42 PM
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reverse wall. wall goes up for women, wall comes down for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 07:05 PM
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even top 1% are everyday people. doctors, the best looking people per grade at a local school. the best looking people at my school didn't become models or actors. the smarter ones became a nurse or something. the ones that had no ambition worked at the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 08:22 AM
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ultra marathons. i read somewhere that men don't dominate women in ultra marathons.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 01:09 AM
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yes. look at their faces. can he pull online the same way and at the same volume? No. But he can pull a high number of women that are similarly rated. he could probably also just list his height at 5'10" and nobody will question it. https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/22 01:23 AM
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but i'm talking about the ability of a 6+ guy to get into a relationship with a 4 girl, not necessarily limited to online. these guys can fuck and ghost below average girls whenever they want if they are willing to lie and manipulate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:34 PM
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a 7 guy simping for a girl like the one on the left? i've never seen that happen. ever. in HS, college, working retail, working in tech.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 09:18 PM
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guys 5+ are not simping for most of these girls. they are simping for girls that are a solid 7. the thing is that a lot of girls are a solid 7 in their early 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:38 PM
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no, i think slightly above average guys can walk up to girls who look like this in real life and get a date with them. and i think this happens, but how these relationships end is the difference. Guys are nice enough to say "It's not working out." "There's no spark for me." You don't become a meme if you tell someone that you feel no spark.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:21 PM
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https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1 is this one of those discussions where women here try to claim these women are 7.5's?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:13 PM
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a lot of dudes can do the west elm caleb... maybe anyone slightly above average. a lot of these girls are definitely below average. slightly above average dudes can do the same shit... they just don't because you know you're going to feel like a horrible human being if you pull that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 08:04 PM
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the ones that have youtube channels are all pretty decent looking guys that work out, PUA type guys. it is somewhat clickbaity. the ones that comment on forums usually won't show their picture, but i assume they are averageish or above average. also, although MOST comments that discuss this say there's basically no difference, there are a couple that i've read where people comment that there IS a difference in the signs of interest, flirtation, etc. my suggestion is that guys should do this. at …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 03:17 AM
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for the right person it can be an improvement. the problem is your proportions have to be right for the surgery to help improve your aesthetics. your arms could still end up looking short, like t-rex, you are not getting wider. there are guys that have done the whole lifts thing and make multiple profiles, with one a higher height. a lot of them going from about 5'9 to 6'0 say there's no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 02:43 AM
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club/party/bar casual sex is visible, you see the people who leave together, so the assumption is that this is mostly the only type of casual sex that people are having. The 3-10% paternity fraud in an age of birth control, condoms, abortion, and morning after pill should, even if you use a lower estimate like 1%, give you an idea that there is a lot more going on than discussed. there are whole other levels of casual sex. you can tell who larps because their crazy brag is that they get tons of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 12:05 AM
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you are 100% correct. cute and "swooning over" doesn't matter. there's still a difference between cute and need to fuck this guy in the parking lot now, and then we'll never see each other again because i'm a slut.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 09:38 PM
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If she's with you, then you're her choice. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 07:42 PM
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it is an individual human's goal. but it is not evolution's goal. people desire to survive because the ones that didn't have that desire didn't survive and didn't pass their genes down. it's not that animals were able to rationalize and come up with this goal that survival was good and death was bad. Because the reality is that both survival and death are both random events, one is NOT better than the other. They are two equal events. There was never a GOAL to create animals that desired to surv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 07:51 AM
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we found out what mediocre guy who kills it looks like. He looks like a young joseph gordon levitt or a young russell crowe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:57 AM
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https://www.insider.com/west-elm-caleb-highlights-internet-sleuthing-dating-app-issues-2022-1 i don't consider this success. i bet they look like 7's and 8's on OLD, 5-6 on Tik Tok. 4-4.5 in real life. who knows, maybe the dude woke up and the girl took a shower and the dude was so confused that he just picked up his clothes and ran the fuck outta there. like he went to bed with one girl, but another one appeared and it seemed to be her apartment. look at their faces. imagine being a 4 man, putt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 04:50 AM
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good point. though there is the idea that japan on average has higher iq than maybe all of the tallest tribes/groups out there such as dinaric alps. jewish average height is smaller and jewish average iq is higher than average non-jewish european.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 01:05 AM
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about average should theoretically be extremely attractive, just like averaged out faces, you average out bodies and get some ideal. and by average, i mean remove all people with major hormonal problems, get to an average of like 5'11"ish and that should theoretically be ideal and it IS at least part of the ideal range a lot of people support: 5'11"-6'3".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:59 AM
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consumes less resources. but more resources go to brain burning the energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:56 AM
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1% of reddit people are actually the 1%. whether you're talking about money or looks. about 1 out of 100 here are top 1%. in a suburb of major cities more than 1 out of 100 you come across in a mall or a walmart are top 1%. in a forum with 100k members, about 1,000 in the top 1%. But if reddit is biased toward wealthier than average America, it is a good deal higher than 1,000 people. probably a few thousand here in the top 1% in money. And maybe about a thousand or so in top 1% attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/22 12:50 AM
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if obese people were harsher on themselves than their friends, they would stop eating as much. not everyone has body issues, they have the opposite: they get used to being fat, they get used to eating, some of their friends and family are enabling it, etc. there are reality TV shows with thousand pound dudes, they can't walk so their skinny dad goes to get burgers for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 11:11 PM
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that's your unique, personal experience, which i don't doubt. but the statistical reality is that $150k+ is rare and 22-31 making $150k+ is rarer than 31-40 making $150k+ which is itself rarer than $150k+ for 40-50 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 07:54 PM
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how is uniform the most common? The same number of 10's as 7's? Here it seems like most people think 5-7 is the most common, with 8's 9's and 10's becoming more and more rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 08:01 AM
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no different here where joseph gordon levitt, russell crowe, and renee zellweger at their peaks were all 5's.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 06:49 AM
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even D size, we're down to single digits for 6/6/6 if we're talking about LAW FIRMS. I don't think there's a substantial difference in the percentage of attractive faces between 5'8" guys and 6'2" guys. very attractive face is arguably more exclusive than any 6/6/6. if you really sit down and think the math through, we are far from "common" territory. Realistically can you meet someone like this if you're a cute girl? Yes. But common is not the right word.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:13 AM
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simply believing it is different from the actual statistical reality. and 6/6/6 has little to do with beautiful people. vast numbers of average and ugly men are included in 6/6/6. brad pitt is excluded from 6/6/6. say you're a lawyer, in your office 100% make six figures, 25% are six feet, now, is the last 6 six pack abs? how many of those 25% are going to have six pack abs? if we say 20% of men have six pack abs, which i think is generous, then 5% of men AT THE LAW FIRM ONLY make the cut. if yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:01 AM
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but she stated 6/6/6 is common in california. since it was debated, but it's not the main conversation, it still should be fine as a topic to discuss. i think it's an interesting discussion to have. how rare is it? personally, i think it is 1 out of 50 or 1 out of 100 people in california. and we haven't even discussed facial attractiveness. it includes people with a 2 face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 02:32 AM
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i don't think it is accurate to say that 6/6/6 is common. just being 6 feet is under 20% of men if we're being generous and accounting for geographic differences in the US. be generous again and say 50% of them make 6 figures, that's 1 in 10 men. be generous again and say half are too young or too old, that's 1 in 20 men. we still have one "6" to deal with. is that dick size we're talking about or six pack abs? Either way, we could easily be talking about 1 in 50 men, and that's being very gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 01:54 AM
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definitely. i suspect a few women out there prefer very small men. obviously there are women that prefer boys over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:57 AM
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there is SOME niche appeal for short men. boobs and butts are entirely aesthetic and is similar to height in the sense that most men prefer toward larger, but a few men prefer gigantic often with no limit.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:44 AM
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this is like the 5'2" is better than 5'5" because it is more extreme theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 12:07 AM
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or: you actually chose your stats on hard mode. God was like: You sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 08:04 AM
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no christian god. there can easily be a cruel god.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 07:01 AM
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games are just... games. video games make more complex and more interesting games possible, and they can be very similar to a novel or a movie, with even very little interactive components to them. if modern society collapses, children will play make-believe "games" and people will still tell stories, and people will still play hand-eye coordination games such as soccer. People will play strategic games like chess or poker. people will still create with clay and they will still make artwork. gam…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/22 02:39 AM
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that's obviously some humiliation shit if not just fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:23 PM
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don't forget, russell crowe's and renee zellweger's peaks were average too. Unattractive people. The sun is just following them around hitting their face at a good angle all the time, that's all it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 11:05 PM
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sometimes it is revenge fantasy, other times, it is simply an accurate observation of what is going on. many people here that believe in the wall also believe that older women can still get casual sex more easily than attractive men, which is what they envy the most. the revenge ain't strong when women can still get the thing that they want the most. but the reality is that an attractive 35 year old man can choose to marry a 30 year old or 40 year old. while both happen in the real world, one ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 08:40 PM
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what you're attracted to is not relevant. i'm not attracted to men but i attempt to objectively rate. i'm not attracted to reese witherspoon, but i can rate her as above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:50 AM
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peak, or for her age? https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0000250/mediaviewer/rm872612864/ you sure this isn't a far above average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 07:12 AM
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there's no doubt that men want her. i suspect she's dealing with not being wanted by the fashion industry, being invisible in terms of how their career is going as a model, dealing with internet trolls (some who may be women), and having that convince her that the population at large doesn't want to look at her. she would demolish a row of 21 year old 8's sitting at a bar. https://www.instagram.com/p/CXmd7N1Or8x/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=901f2e1c-f0d6-4a4d-bfb0-0e0150dfcdb5 some of those girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 06:59 AM
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renee zellweger is FAR above average. sarah jessica parker is definitely below average. zooey deschanel is above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/22 04:48 AM
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rare, but psychologically interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal\_abduction
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 11:29 PM
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who cares. he had a bloated public salary for decades. he's old and he'll be extremely comfy for the rest of his life, banging hookers, sipping rare whiskey. the people who are fucked are students that paid full tuition (which supported his salary for decades) but never got into a decent career and had to settle for manager at costco.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 08:55 PM
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i mean, our children go to war and die for oil. a lot of the ones that come back are fucked up and sleep in a tent on the streets. if any of us really want to, we can go to Los Angeles and help them out. You or I could help them out. We just choose not to help. Every year, there are young folks that die because they can't afford insulin. We can easily save their lives, we just choose not to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 12:09 AM
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yeah, i had to watch it multiple times to figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 09:34 PM
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so i think the whole point of that skit is that the straight hair is the one with makeup and she lured a guy to give her a free ride with that one. she takes off the make up when she goes for the free ride and she says "That guy didn't kill me."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 09:26 PM
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what are you calling "before"? The straight or the curly hair?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 09:22 PM
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yeah. for example: people will argue forever that joseph gordon levitt is average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:54 PM
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not harsh. that's slightly below average to well above average. imagine a guy who is a 5 can magically turn into an 8 and get approached by 10's. guys would be alpha widowed for life after an hour at the mall.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 08:43 PM
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i've felt excitement years later, when i look back with regret and think "that girl was into me. I should have asked her out."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 03:28 AM
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even these two dudes are very different. adam driver is a somewhat weird looking dude. pete davidson is a very normal looking dude that is below average according to many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 09:11 PM
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he gets lone wolf roles. he does not get "average man" roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 08:42 PM
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NPC everyone here is telling you that's not the case. he wouldn't get the roles he was getting if he was average. women are losing it here because he was called average.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 08:10 PM
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the conclusion toward the end is extremely black pill: Hot men are hot. Non-hot men are not hot. Race doesn't matter, enjoy the moment and fuck hot guys. this is a main incel thesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:52 PM
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black men benefit from pop culture and media portrayals this is bullshit. all ethnic groups face discrimination by media. this is why people notice trends like black people die first in horror movies, and muslim guys are terrorists. the media is just people who face deadlines and have a job to write something. do you think those people, on average, view muslims and blacks favorably? They have subconscious biases, just like the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 06:03 PM
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he could be 5'8". she says 5'10" looks more accurate, which often can mean 5'8". (if he's a true 5'10" barefoot, he can put boots on and the average girl won't notice.) she also says he seems "promising." So the lie could get him laid. that's what it comes down to. getting your foot in the door is everything. There's so many guys that there needs to be some arbitrary filter to narrow down the options. The easiest filter for attractive girls is height. so she ignores her soulmate who is too hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 01:28 AM
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because non chads larp. we have men here claiming they figured out they are extremely attractive when their wife told them they were top 1% in their 40's. larp stories just don't make any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 12:26 AM
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it means top 40% of women and top 1% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 08:01 PM
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What I'm saying is that the men that women can get to approach her at the bar are less attractive than the guys that she can get to meet up with her off of Tinder. this is not true in my opinion. Guys fraud just as much as girls. Anytime I've met 8-10 girls on OLD, they were usually 5-7 in real life. girls have posts complaining about guys that said they were 5'10" but were close to 5'6" and posts about how different the guy looked, or his voice was too high, was 50 pounds heavier, etc. another …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:48 PM
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obviously it works on people with IQ 150+ because we all have a limited amount of willpower. you can't win against neuroscientists that study marketing for 5 decades. This is why we can't market to children and why customers need rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 12:21 AM
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you don't know those people out there exist that make you feel that way until you finally meet them. this is why lots of younger folks here (22ish) say they'll never fuck a stranger or even have casual sex. 2 decades can go by until you finally meet someone and you're like "i need to fuck this person."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 11:55 PM
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conor mcgregor used to fight at 145. it's not that crazy. look up 6ft boxers that fight at 145.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 09:58 PM
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the majority of incels get married eventually. so from that perspective, antiwork and incels line up surprisingly well. a huge number of incels will get laid. even immutable traits will destroy your job market value. if you're small and thin, can you be a UPS driver for decades without damage to your body? And you're still facing the possibility of robots taking over your job. If your IQ is 90, can you really become a programmer? There are TONS of people with IQ 90. completely normal IQ. the blu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:34 PM
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"Can you PLEASE help my family by getting the vaccine? But I won't help you by voting for healthcare."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:24 PM
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this analogy is deep. there is even a bluepill vs redpill in job market: the bluepill guys are the "get a real job" people. "you need to go into the mines and work 80 hours a week for decades and never be able to retire, take advil daily and die of lung disease." The red pill guys are like "I'll just use clickbait to trick people into watching my youtube videos and make millions of dollars and retire in a few years." or "hey, i'll just buy followers from russia and sell some penis enlargement pi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 07:22 PM
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170710122949.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 02:40 AM
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there's a reason why it's not called "love at first interaction." Because it often does not involve interaction or conversation or even observation of how someone moves for more than a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 09:46 PM
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but most women believe in love at first sight. so instant lust happened to most women. women will eyefuck within seconds of seeing you. not just a prolonged glance, but something chemical is clearly happening. the same exact thing happens to men. Men can see a beautiful person and nothing happens chemically at first. other times the lust is instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 06:51 PM
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the education is largely the same. it's the student quality that is different. the education is "standard." it is created by some body of professionals. Even organic chemistry at community college transfers into Harvard credits for organic chemistry. The class at community college is definitely easier. But the curriculum is extremely similar. The same 3 or 4 textbooks are used at like 95% of colleges, including many of the top colleges.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 12:12 AM
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those women are red pilled. they see the other woman's husband and they're like "Yeah, she wants my husband." She knows exactly what will happen if they're left alone together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 12:04 AM
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it depends on whether they can use the condo, and it depends on the tactics that were used. or do we really, as a society, allow people to set up any private schools and market them any way they want to 18 year olds, and have the government provide the loans?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 10:06 PM
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it makes some sense, because the most naive were the ones that went to SpecialSailingWings Tech University and someone in government approved $100k to that person to study there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Technical_Institute at least now, we are somewhat aware of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 10:02 PM
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it makes it special because when they're 18, they're actually being scammed by colleges. college is similar to pyramid schemes. all that money pays off the football coach so they can get more money. and we make degrees so important for careers. kids have no choice, really. even credit cards are a scam for desperate people to rack up debt. why would banks need to use gimmicks like ending prices and rates in ".99" which is a marketing trick? Banks hire cognitive scientists to help market their pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 09:46 PM
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and these are already both true in the real world to a great extent. this is why men pay for meals. it should be obvious that there is a monetary benefit to women. this is a transaction, and it is perfectly fine and acceptable. this is the norm and this social behavior fits the idea that most men are not attractive like a glove. men don't hit a wall because they're already unattractive. this is very true. but another wall is that for men, their wall comes down once they look mature, because matu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:58 PM
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exactly. people think capitalism is the best because they are looking at a short time line. when you're a nazi in nazi germany, things are kinda going good. it's the best system ever and you're going to dominate the world. if you look at even just climate change, it is possible that capitalism could end our civilization. just like all other civilizations were ended by big events like disease or war.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 06:44 AM
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pre 2009 brady was considered the greatest active football player by many, even considering all positions. think about the greatest current athletes in their sports. That would be like lebron or mike trout status level. it would be like Federer or Nadal level. brady had a 50 touchdown season in 2007.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/22 12:59 AM
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not true at all. because there are tons of tech millionaires too. we all know people who start their hobby as a kid have a huge advantage in skills accumulation and expertise. having an apple 2 as a kid? HUGE advantage. a kid using HTML to make a basic website in the 90s? HUGE advantage. interested in learning to program to modify video games like Doom? MASSIVE advantage even if it doesn't make you a billionaire and merely leads to a job as a software consultant. reading goosebumps and collectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 09:48 PM
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that's what people used to say about reading fiction. parents probably said that about shakespeare plays. "Don't tell mom we're going to see the latest shakespeare play. She thinks its childish and immature!" parents have told kids to get off the Apple II or stop programming qbasic and go outside and get some sunlight. some kids that were supported are now billionaires. saying that you shouldn't spend too much time playing video games, is basically the same as saying you shouldn't spend too much…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 08:59 PM
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the problem is the day to day life of a man with IQ 100 living together with a woman with IQ 140. over time, the skills and accumulation of knowledge grows much faster in a smarter person. this difference will be a fundamental characteristic of the relationship. the same is true when one sibling is much smarter than another sibling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 06:44 PM
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younger girls love much older guys... but this might be suburban/rural. it strikes me as something a "townie" girl would be like. a pretty girl who is "stuck" in some small town working at dunkin donuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/22 05:27 AM
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i'd say it's all inappropriate. when is breast augmentation for men? it's for those gray skied october mornings when a woman chances upon her reflection in a puddle.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 10:41 PM
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because you can IMAGINE that they're real in your fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:38 PM
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it's way beyond "nice" selfie. These are frauds. men fraud also. that's why you get reddit posts about how a guy lied about his height by 4+ inches but they still dated. there are women online that look like 10's and when you see them in real life they're more like a 6-7. Zero women I've met who looked like a 10 online looked like an 8 or higher in real life. when you have 500 profiles to look at, statistically it is highly unlikely that you pick the most compatible or the most attractive, or th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 07:27 PM
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bezos turned an online bookstore into 200 billion. it's like comparing Dudley Moore to John D. Rockefeller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:34 AM
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people say it here all the time: height = strength. even men here are obsessed with this idea that height is superior, and there are arguments that are decades old, with people who truly believe that shawn bradley is more attractive than zac efron.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:39 AM
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a 6'3" boxer can train their entire life and hire nutritionists, trainers, and coaches and still get crushed by canelo or pacquiao or mayweather.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:23 PM
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a 5'7" man can beat a 6'3" man if they are both world class professional boxers. canelo, pacquiao, mayweather, these guys beat 6 foot guys regularly. Those 6 foot guys train their entire life and hire nutritionists to help them win fights and are often younger and at their peak age. these are EASY wins for canelo. people here also fall for this idea that height = substantial increase in strength. so lifting is "pointless for short men." yet much shorter fighters often beat taller and heavier fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:19 PM
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a 5'7" man can beat a 6'3" man if they are both world class professional boxers. canelo, pacquiao, mayweather, these guys beat 6 foot guys regularly. Those 6 foot guys train their entire life and hire nutritionists to help them win fights and are often younger and at their peak age. these are EASY wins for canelo. people here also fall for this idea that height = substantial increase in strength. so lifting is "pointless for short men." yet much shorter fighters often beat taller and heavier fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:18 PM
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a 5'7" man can beat a 6'3" man if they are both world class professional boxers. canelo, pacquiao, mayweather, these guys beat 6 foot guys regularly. Those 6 foot guys train their entire life and hire nutritionists to help them win fights and are often younger and at their peak age. these are EASY wins for canelo. people here also fall for this idea that height = substantial increase in strength. so lifting is "pointless for short men." yet much shorter fighters often beat taller and heavier fig…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:18 PM
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it's not just that. it's do women want to marry younger men too. it's both. And it's not whether you can find a bunch of men that would marry older women. you CAN. is it can you find so many that it averages out so that men and women are on average the same age? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships can relatively small skews like this be one part of why settling is not "very rare"? that's all i'm going for. none of this means there are no great relationships where …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:22 AM
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Older women get hit on. i agree. but we're talking about marriage. i don't even think settling is necessarily bad. it probably can be good that two best friends decide to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 03:09 AM
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yes, it doesn't mean it's common, and it's just one opinion. but nothing says it's "very rare" either. but we do know the realities: women face pressure, they have limited amount of time, men are the ones that approach usually, women find most men unattractive. in general, successful 40 year old men have more options than 40 year old women. women just have a much longer checklist for qualities that are important. it just gives the men they are with way more possibilities to "miss" on those items…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:52 AM
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here's one woman who agrees that settling is common. from: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/03/marry-him/306651/ even though settling is a rampant phenomenon, talking about it in a positive light makes people profoundly uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:34 AM
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i argue that it is not rare. women face crazy pressure to get married. the advice that they get is to settle, or to marry their friend. mothers want grandkids and know the realness of the time limit. women end up dating people they're not physically attracted to because that's the guy that asked them out and they get into that relationship. other advice includes "love will develop later on." if they feel the pressure as they approach 30 or 40, or whatever, it is realistic that another guy this g…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 02:12 AM
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the thing is, you can be GOAT level, the greatest ever. that's what tiger woods is. and he figured out that he can't get casual sex like some of the other guys he played with, and he probably couldn't get sex from his wife. So he had to convince women he was getting a divorce in order to sleep with them. people should get into an activity because they enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 08:46 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ shit is so real.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:34 PM
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or you could do something like start a band. or do watercolor painting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:22 PM
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stephen hawking was wanted. that's the thing. focus on something else that makes you a more interesting person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:54 AM
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if your niche is anime, you probably have to deal with a 20:1 male to female fan ratio. YA novels might be a killer niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:43 AM
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depends on environment. like in academia, asian and indian men probably doing better than asian and indian men working at a costco in cities like wichita.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 05:05 AM
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if the world has racism, bias, discrimination and stereotyping, then dating also has those things. it's quite simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 11:22 PM
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yup. paper also "omits" south asians. and doesn't even mention southeast asian. it also does not mention height, which complicates things. also have to factor in recentness of immigration. ask any "woe is me" asian and indian guys if they date black girls. the reality is that everyone is struggling except attractive people. and then even some of the attractive people are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 10:26 PM
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they don't change. many people are just childish and immature. both men and women. age doesn't change that. self-control doesn't just suddenly increase when you get older. in fact, it decreases gradually or suddenly due to declining cognitive function. the average woman has average intelligence. this has been discussed on this forum. if you're talking about above average maturity or intelligence, these are unique problems that most people here will not have. there's no cookie cutter approach tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 01:57 AM
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on paper, it seems that way. but a lot of these average asian and indian guys get hot asian and indian girls. lot of immigrants just have social networks and families arranging dates and shit for them. average white guy in a small town with no social network can really struggle. black men and women have to deal with racism. southeast asian men are just ignored and not often a part of this discussion, as are native american, and other minorities. ethnicity does matter. but there are people everyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 11:04 PM
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ethnicity obviously matters. for a variety of reasons. we're talking about some ethnic groups that are stereotypically more recent immigrants, some from developing nations. even if you took a single ethnic group: north korea vs. south korea, it would matter significantly, just based on your imagination of what potential dates life philosophies are. OLD is about discrimination for everyone, you just have too many options so you have to quickly eliminate a large chunk of them somewhat randomly. ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 10:21 PM
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sad keanu is an 8+ for his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 09:43 PM
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a bad gait (sometimes) might be keanu. who sometimes is hunched over and really sad looking, even sometimes looking like he hasn't showered in a week. the epitome of hunched over bad posture is the "sad keanu" meme. if you're a 3 just try to sit next to keanu. the women will be all over you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 01:08 AM
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look at tiger woods. he needed to convince women that he was getting a divorce and looking for a new wife so that he could hook up. his money and status, he's a GOAT level athlete (in my humble opinion Lebron is not yet a goat level athlete), didn't matter. even his body didn't matter. (tallish, in very good shape)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 07:03 PM
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she's not as flat as that outfit makes her. if you have an absolutely flat chest, it probably puts you at a disadvantage. just like height for men. but when you ask, people are going to be nice. a beautiful face with a completely flat chest is definitely very attractive overall. just like a very handsome short man is very attractive still. if you want a more accurate understanding of how important these traits are, imagine a woman who is a 4 with a completely flat chest, or a man who is a 4 when…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 08:58 PM
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ask gay men with lots of partners. that's probably the most accurate way. and yeah, it isn't accurate at all. any time you advertise that you're measuring dicks, you have the problem of many guys that believe they are small are walking away.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 02:31 AM
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are you talking about face only? i disagree. but, anyway, these guys know women want their money. look at the tiger woods story. he had to convince women he was getting a divorce and looking for a new marriage in order to get laid. at that status level, these guys know what the women want: their money, and it's not a nice feeling. it's something you want to avoid at all costs. this is why celebs are usually marrying other celebs.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:54 AM
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these couples are fairly well matched. couples that weren't matched up: michael jordan's first wife, tiger woods, matt lauer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 01:44 AM
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the reason is because a lot of the top creators don't seem that special. some of them seem below average. maybe not majority, but you get the feeling that a lot of it is about marketing which many women could figure out if they put in the time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 11:41 PM
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many people's struggles can be eliminated with height if they could magically grow. this does not mean there are no attractive shorter men. there are plenty of guys that are under 5'5" that are not struggling. i think most people know some.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/21 02:36 AM
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it's not a percentile comparison. the comparison is just what would happen to a short guy who is struggling if they happen to be 6'5". Would they still be struggling? I would say in general, no. in that case, height acts as a silver bullet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 11:36 PM
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living in a small town, the tallest guy i knew was probably 6'7". in a city, probably like 6'10". among strangers, 7'+ guy coming into the store i used to work at regularly. it would be bizarre if the tallest guy a person met was 6'4". i mean, you could be living in a famished nation and probably meet a guy over 6'4".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 10:42 PM
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it is a silver bullet if you do the right comparison. slightly below average face 5'5" guy vs. slightly below average face 6'5" guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 10:12 PM
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You can use good looks to get wealth that's why this question is never that interesting. you have to add something to spice it up. tall, attractive, IQ: 100 vs. average height, average looks, IQ: 150. people are always going to assume that wealth is attainable. because it sort of is in the USA if that is your #1 goal and you are reasonably intelligent. plus, if you're the frugal type, then money matters a lot less.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 09:48 PM
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ok, i get what you're saying: the woman does not have any clue what the man's salary is, or what he's even looking for. it is still complicated because people hook up with people they don't respect at all, intellectually. if they find out that you are wealthy at some point, due to inheritance, you might get married to someone that doesn't respect you. Personally, I think that's worse than someone not physically attracted to you but considers you their best friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 07:56 PM
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we are witnessing peak marie kondo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 07:24 PM
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already the norm. look at tiger woods, and just the recent james franco comment. this is the worst result: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ but there are also "good" results. physical attraction is one thing, and the importance decreases as you get older. marrying your "best friend" is something a lot of people, both men and women, think about as being ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 07:24 PM
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that's not revisionism. it's just what he did: https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-keeps-rejecting-pleas-from-allies-for-pro-vax-campaign i'm literally saying trump gets credit for the vaccine. But that is not the same thing as saying that he promoted it. this ain't a decisive dude. and you should be able to tell in a few minutes of looking at his business dealings.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 10:04 PM
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he never promoted it enough and people were begging him to promote it. like i said, he does get some credit. the reality though, is that huge international pharma companies know the money involved. trump's wall is a joke. he wasn't decisive enough. just look at trump's steaks and trump university. this isn't a decisive person. this is a throw more shit at the wall than anyone and see what sticks type of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:50 PM
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biden actually is a moderate. he doesn't switch it up. he's just moderate. but people like bernie actually appeal to many far right people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:39 PM
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he might realize he can't win again, and this is it. or his kids are telling him that. it is a bizarre admission that science and factual information are real and that fake news is not real. that's a legacy that's tied to his children's legacies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:32 PM
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he's realizing it is the only thing that went right: moderna and pfizer under trump. and to be fair, it's not a minor thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/21 09:17 PM
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there would be anger. that is accurate. there is some noticeable anger when someone mentions future sex bots that haven't even been invented yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/21 09:19 PM
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Looks To pass down attractive genes to the offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 07:55 PM
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r/progresspics stick around and you will find out that 1 to 5 is a possibility. maybe it's not common, but it exists out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 07:37 PM
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tons of both men and women suck at rating either men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 03:48 AM
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if we have a UBI, billionaires will get a monthly check from the government. Everyone gets it. it's so simple. they just pay way more in taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/21 12:23 AM
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it can pay a lot more. https://www.ibtimes.com/how-much-do-panhandlers-make-new-york-city-homeless-man-earns-200-hour-sitting-2181312
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/21 08:57 PM
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i would say the hardest part is not eating. the look is definitely achievable without doing that much in terms of working out. the average guy can get there IF he wants it, without ever going to a gym, and doing basics like push ups at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/21 12:35 AM
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could it be the thing that Ted Bundy had?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/21 06:45 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ read the comments on this blog post. it isn't uncommon for women to always have been physically disgusted by their husbands. and many men find this out and still want to be in that relationship. it could be anything. people fall in love, it could be companionship, security, stability in having that same partner around. could be low self esteem, thinking nobody will ever love them or stay with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 09:28 PM
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there are 10's in online dating that i meet or see in town, and they're like a 6 in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 05:42 AM
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apparently, they only look like that for a few days due to weight loss, dehydration, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/21 03:07 AM
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half of all women have some crazy ass moment at their worst when they are drunk. kind of a double standard. with complete equality, we accept biology and hormones. this is normal. there's nothing embarrassing about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 07:46 PM
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there are religious women out there that cheat inside a church.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 05:44 AM
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if women's wall goes up, an average man's wall comes down maybe in their late 20's.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 08:09 PM
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many women are very aware of what they are doing. i guess it depends. if the woman is a 6 and the man is a 9, then she probably knows what's happening. if the woman is a 7 and the man is an 8 or even if they are both 7's, then you have no idea what kind of relationship the man wants. what is happening is that many women have heard "men just want sex." What they haven't figured out is how true this statement is... until they get on OLD. this often unlocks something in their life. If they're a 6, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:38 AM
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they can get an attractive man, and often it is online dating where they find out how possible this is. in fact, after online dating popularity, average women are eyefucking more. because they finally figure it out: men are willing to fuck. so it is simply supply and demand. men want to fuck more than women. this is why real life dating is far easier than online dating. the woman you are talking to might not know how valuable she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 05:19 AM
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if you do this experiment properly, i can guarantee you men will be saying yes. i would be a guy that said yes. a skinny average girl. there is most likely something tipping people off. there was an artist that put a box around her boobs and asked men to feel her up. men gladly did it in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:49 AM
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it is biological and normal. this is how we evolved. religious people (children) abstain more because they are scared by this. they are brainwashed and taught that lust is sinful when it is in fact normal and biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:33 AM
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if you read the comments, it sounds like it might be more common than you think. especially when you read forums and women's magazine articles about settling. the advice given to women by their moms, and thinking about the pressure of getting married and having children that women face, and their biological clock.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 03:28 AM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ not only can a woman be not attracted to a guy she is dating or married to, but she could feel physically disgusted by him ever since the first time they met.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:59 AM
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yet traditional cultures want women covered head to toe... because they don't trust them. they have a death penalty for adultery, yet people are still having casual sex affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:51 AM
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it is difficult to explicitly ask because rejection hurts. what also hurts if word gets around that you asked multiple men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:30 AM
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there are TONS of possibilities. the guy might have just been circumcised. he might have a 3 inch dick and never have casual sex. the guy might be extremely religious.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 02:29 AM
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i know what you're saying. it's an approximation. whatever your numbers are, if they are roughly approximate, you get under 1% VERY quickly. it is pretty easy to get under 0.1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:40 AM
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they are weakly correlated. you cut out bill gates and jeff bezos from your list even if they work out and get a six pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/21 01:14 AM
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that's under 1% of men. 6 ft alone is under 20% of men. 6 figure salary alone is under 20% of men. add 6 pack abs and you're cutting a significant percentage more. we haven't even cut out extremely ugly people yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:00 PM
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well, they kept teaching the way math was taught and ended up with common core. they also keep pushing kids up to the next level, but you can move up by just memorizing stuff and not understanding it. there's also too much to cover in a year, so you have to push through and kids get left behind. if you are interested in this topic, a lot of people have written about how shitty math education is: https://www.maa.org/external\_archive/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 07:26 PM
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it's actually very interesting to see a lot of people feel so threatened by the idea of them though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:29 AM
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r/learnmath youtube go back to earlier math and relearn it. the way math is taught is broken and most likely not your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 08:02 AM
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these highbrow dudes were super red pilled. flaubert, madame bovary, for example. or nathaniel hawthorne. the best art reveals truths about the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 03:26 AM
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there are people who still believe that height means absolutely nothing when it comes to dating in general, or dating statistics, or dating data.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 11:35 PM
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in countries where the punishment for adultery is Death, there are many women cheating. why do most men view tons of porn? because people are opportunistic. they are not moral absolutists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 07:49 PM
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core red pill is touted as truth in all of those subreddits, including femaledatingstrategy, even when it's not described as red pill. datingoverthirty posts are sometimes about things like how badly a woman ages, noticed by a woman: https://www.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty/comments/nwxfk3/anyone_else_struggle_with_aging/ notice that this is the wall idea in red pill. if you go to fds, many acknowledge that height is very important part of attraction. it KILLS debate when a woman stands her gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 05:57 PM
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i can agree a full slice is way too much. i like diced onions like on, i think it was quarter pounders at mcdonalds.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 08:11 AM
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raw onions on burgers is a classic topping. maybe among the top 5 classic toppings. this isn't a new thing. some people just don't like onions, just like some people can't do cilantro, their taste buds are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 04:28 AM
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those aren't minority cases. many women date and marry men they do not find physically attractive. this is how it is when most men aren't attractive. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 03:01 AM
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it's not just the numbers. pure numbers gap could be reduced by approaching more. experiences get wildly more different the closer you get to 9-10. age range stops mattering to women. if you're 20, your mom's friends will want you. even physiologically, there is a difference. even staring becomes way more prolonged, and sometimes involuntary, since women seem to have to somehow snap out of it, and they may do it in front of their husbands or boyfriends or friends or parents or children. casual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 01:07 AM
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they're not, primarily because of age differences. a 40 year old woman may fuck a 20 year old but not want to date him or even be seen in public with him. women also would marry a guy that they don't enjoy fucking at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/21 12:32 AM
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also voice and charisma and intelligent conversation skills. those are all important. that's why andrew garfield, john cho, dev patel, if they were all accountants, they would be way above average in some office. these guys are all average-ish according to raters.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 11:50 PM
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some of those people have very high libido. they've just always been disgusted by their husband/partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 11:46 PM
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Who dates someone without being attracted to them? https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 11:11 PM
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the wall is for attractive people who lose attractiveness. not for unattractive people who are still unattractive later on. if there is a male equivalent, it should affect above average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 10:58 PM
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you could take this info as evidence that WOMEN have the wall. often, not much changes for men between 30 and 40. for women, BECAUSE OF the wall, if they want children, they better go out there and settle with whatever they can get. this pressure, from society to get married, could be causing these stats to be this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:49 PM
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youthful looking alone is a beauty standard. and cosmetics helped achieve that look in ancient times. ancient civilizations had beauty standards and ideal types. look at Rubens' women. mass media is powerful, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 08:09 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_cosmetics
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:20 PM
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but why is it an easy sell? because "all of the above." women, men, your own self, data, science. everything SUPPORTS that how you look changes how people treat you. https://www.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty/comments/nwxfk3/anyone_else_struggle_with_aging/ I would be blind to notice that with even the littlest bit of makeup or a slight loss of five pounds, people are remarkably kinder to me (men and women alike).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 07:06 PM
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idk. i've read a few of these studies a long time ago. i know one study had some pictures that were just naked woman not having sex. those pictures also turned on women. the women claimed that those images of naked women did nothing. these types of studies are where "most women are bi to some degree" comes from. there are many explanations that are thrown out there. some people say women are lying. others say there is a difference between the body and nervous system being turned on and being tur…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:57 PM
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you could say that their clocks never even started ticking. and they would probably agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:34 PM
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https://www.mpg.de/13723437/the-brains-of-men-and-women-react-to-erotic-images-in-the-same-way
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 06:31 PM
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it's not just masculinity. it's breast cancer, etc. go look it up. it has very low toxicity, but guess how much plastics your average product is touching. a lot. and it isn't just bpa but other chemicals in plastics. and it just builds up, in the environment, in the ocean, in your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 04:57 AM
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the problem is if you don't offer, and the guy just pays but it fizzles out. then you don't know if that guy wasn't feeling it because you never offered and it meant you simply weren't marriage material. but if you do offer, he calls you out and says cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 03:42 AM
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all you have to do is start clicking the links. look at the C.V. of the authors who wrote those papers. they are chemists and doctors with funding. a lot of those people conduct studies with controls. they use advanced statistics. if you think this is delusional, go ingest a gallon of BPA. The FDA is banning this shit. but the shit is already everywhere. it's in everything. it's on your receipts. it's not hysterical. in fact, there is TOO LITTLE hysteria behind it. EVERYTHING should be in glass …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/21 01:07 AM
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birth control causes a decline in testosterone. it influences the type of men women are attracted to. but it also reduces pregnancies that are a result of casual sex and affairs. so the next generation are influenced two ways: who women find attractive and women choosing to become pregnant by their husbands instead of strangers. testosterone decline has been happening ever since men had more legal power than women and women needed to get married or could not live a normal life. this is when the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 07:43 PM
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a lot of old fairytales are moral stories that are super blue pill. the point is to kiss the frog. that is, you kiss the ugly thing and it can become a prince TO YOU, personally. pop culture is blue pill. high art form is red pill. high art is dostoyevsky or kubrick. pop culture is "happily ever after." High art is a woman fucks a minister and the community has a meltdown.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/21 01:00 AM
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10213-women-become-sexually-aroused-as-quickly-as-men/ this study shows women and men becoming aroused by a porno
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 07:04 PM
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https://www.womenshealthmag.com/uk/health/sexual-health/a703521/your-body-on-lust-chemistry/ women write about it all the time. you really are claiming that women do not have any type of emotion that can be described as "love at first sight." yet if you google this, you quickly realize women are writing articles about it and women are talking about it in forums. the way women write about it, it seems like it is a fairly common experience and women write about it like they know by default that to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:45 PM
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Men and women, are fundamentally different in arousal. but what i'm saying is that men read erotica too. and women watch a lot of porn too. i'm saying there is overlap. BOTH men and women get mask crushes. They are attracted to people WITHOUT knowing what their faces look like. because we use IMAGINATION to fill in the blanks. When the face is revealed, sometimes we are disgusted. that is extremely similar to how a picture of body parts is. a pair of small and saggy boobs is much more attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:54 AM
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but... women get that feeling too. that's the whole point of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 06:07 AM
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you never get a "love at first sight" feeling?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:32 AM
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i could have been clearer, if that was your interpretation of my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 05:31 AM
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again, people are responding with how they personally act as if this changes anything in the discussion. if personality was really everything, yeah, i think there would be less misunderstanding. but that's true of men too. if men were all more consistent in their desires, there would be less misunderstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:45 AM
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another take: the reason for misunderstandings between men and women is because a large portion of women ARE spontaneously turned on when they see the right guy. this also may change as someone gets older. there would be far less misunderstanding if women were consistently one way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 04:05 AM
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you're projecting your experience onto other women. many women want to have sex. it is usually very clear from their behavior and their signals, their age and your age, whether they are married, where you are, etc. you should usually be able to figure out what they want from all the information you have. sometimes it is extremely clear: They want to fuck and then they go back to their normal life. have you ever read michael crichton's Disclosure? some people just take rejection very personally. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/21 12:35 AM
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maybe he had a good set of genes to survive on earth 20,000 years ago. those genes are trash for modern society!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:38 AM
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it could be some psychological thing. or it could be that even though you do not want a child with that man, if you DID have a child with that man, that child would have a good set of genes, and that's what your body is telling you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:34 AM
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agree with all of that. all of these legal things change behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 07:15 AM
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no. it just explains why divorce is so high if we legally allow it. it explains how adultery still happens if we have a death penalty for it and women are stoned, which is inhumane. those are biological motivations. we have societal motivations. like the death penalty i mentioned. slut shaming, religion are others. there is individual reproductive success but there is also the success of one civilization over another, and religion and laws play a role. it pressures people to behave a certain way…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 06:44 AM
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no, that is evolutionary success. romantic infatuation means the male sticks around for several years to help raise the child, which gives the child the best chance of survival, but also best nutrition. then that infatuation must END if you are to mate with ANOTHER female, thereby, having multiple children with multiple partners and more genetic diversity in your offspring. from the point of view of evolution, divorce is success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:54 AM
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not all sex is for procreation, but we evolved strategies to produce the best offspring possible. so subconsciously, many people, whatever they're doing, is a built in evolutionary strategy for best offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:46 AM
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that sounds like a famous reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/qvuyfn/husband_hides_micropenis_from_his_wife_until/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:43 AM
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reproduction is NOT a factor. reproduction is a consequence. animals do not think about creating offspring. they do what their brains tell them. this does NOT mean they just enjoy all sex. their brains may be very selective and they enjoy sex only with specific partners. this is how reproduction still influences you. what you enjoy is still very much influenced by your body needing 9 months to create a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:41 AM
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it does mean something evolutionarily. it means women who are selective will have better reproduction outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:28 AM
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men get some fucked up oneitis obsession ALL THE TIME. women can fuck and be satisfied. if you're visiting some place, obviously they most likely will never see you again. there is a lot of overlap between male and female behavior. The biology is real: if women enjoy fucking attractive strangers, there is a greater chance that their offspring is attractive. the difference is in how selective women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 05:24 AM
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there are married women willing to fuck right then and there, and if someone found out, their lives would be destroyed. not only do they risk status, in some countries the punishment for adultery is DEATH. This doesn't stop women from fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 04:15 AM
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like most red pills, you kinda always knew. most men kinda always knew height is pretty important in general for attraction. how hard it hits is the actual pill: https://www.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty/comments/nwxfk3/anyone_else_struggle_with_aging/ how true the generalizations are is the pill, not that the generalizations exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:26 AM
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i have no idea what that means. as someone who observes society, you claim people aren't making a big deal out of their declining attractiveness. when taxes go up, or when stocks go down, people DO make a big deal about it. People sometimes commit suicide when stocks crash. people make a huge deal about both beauty and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:18 AM
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split the difference. say a man is 32. he can date 5 years younger, or 5 years older and the age difference between him and his partner will be 5 years. check the stats to see which is more common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships also remember that a lot of these marriages are people who met in college, so they are going to be about the same age. once you reach 30 and you're still single, the range you date just naturally widens, same with the "rules" that peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 01:04 AM
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as a human being who observes society and obsession with beauty and youth, THAT is your assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:40 AM
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they want kids and want them with the right man. That’s the wall we care about. that's the same wall. you need to look good to attract men because there are smart, kind, creative, beautiful women out there that are 10 years younger than a smart, kind, creative, beautiful 37 year old woman. that's the same exact wall. it's all just supply, demand, competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:14 AM
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and that is your personal take. it is a big deal for many women, including some married women. there are women who get dressed up and if you don't pay attention to them, they get visible angry. these are complete strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/21 12:10 AM
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unfortunately, it's revenge reality. if most women really didn't give a shit, they wouldn't be putting on makeup. spanx wouldn't be a billion dollar company. cosmetics would not be billion dollar industries. women wouldn't be obsessed with looking younger. but dieting pills are like penis enlargement pills: they make so much fuckin money that the ads never stop. Those companies purchase ads in national magazines to advertise a weight loss pills. That's how lucrative it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 10:36 PM
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yes, there obviously is a way to select for positive traits. or different groups that separate, such as ashkenazi jews, would not have higher IQ. at some point after separation, genes diverged. just thinking about that makes racial superiority an insanely dumb concept. ANY GROUP can basically get any genes they desire for their future generations if they really, really, wanted it. You could probably get purple skin eventually, let alone high IQ or tall height. couple that with genetic engineerin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:41 PM
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i don't think it has necessarily anything to do with environment. i believe it is a purely genetic mechanism in some cases. for example: if you had 2 parents who are 6 feet, their children are both 6'4" they pair up with 6'4" partners, the next generation is 6'8", the generation after that is 7', the next is 7'4", the next generation is 7'8", the next is 8', next 8'4", next 8'8", next 9', next 9'4". what stops that from happening has nothing to do with environment. Genetics is what stops that fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:07 PM
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I'm not great at foreign languages beside Spanish either. So I think it's just me not learning new languages well including programming languages. it doesn't matter. if you stick with it, you eventually get there. it just may take years. just like some people suck at foreign languages, but if you were forced to move to a foreign country, you would start accelerating your learning. it is mostly a problem of motivation. people who are good at foreign languages ENJOY the process of learning new lan…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 06:23 PM
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from one perspective, both 6 figure salary and 6 pack abs are easy to get. 6 pack abs. don't eat. pick fasting days. run and burn calories and do sit ups. 6 figure salary: learn to code, do it all the time and make it your life. even go back to community college and get an associate's degree in computer science. work for cheap to build up your resume. if the average person really, really, really wants either of these things, they are realistically attainable. the problem is people really love fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 07:04 AM
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why 5 to 8 when you can 2 to 9? https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/tiktok-mom-slams-trolls-hating-on-her-dentures-and-makeovers/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 03:14 AM
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Haley Joel Osment
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/21 02:49 AM
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men here rate male models higher than women. and they don't understand why because many men have no intuition of aesthetic beauty. if a man can go to r/prettygirls and say that some of these women models are a 7 or below facially, then they will have a better understanding of how women can rate male models as 7's instead of 8+. the problem though, is some men will go to that subreddit and rate the girls as all 10's.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:52 PM
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more women can hit "objectively good looking" because testosterone, puberty, even the simple fact that men grow taller means that there is more probability that that growth phase causes more aesthetic "flaws" to appear.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 11:31 PM
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online dating alone has changed everything. you could say women always knew "Men will fuck anything." But too many men are well-behaved in public. they're not staring at every ass when they walk by. many are trying hard NOT to stare. after online dating, more women know exactly how true this statement is. If you're just slightly above average, most guys will be willing to have sex with you. This makes many women way more confident. That's what happens when your inbox has a thousand messages in i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 08:23 PM
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yes, we need to make that assumption to make the calculation simple. but we also go with "above average" for requirements which doesn't cut as many people as something like 6-figure salary, which eliminates way more than 50% of a population. either way, the more of these requirements you add, the purpose is to show how few people you are left with at the end. way less than 50% of men are bald, but if your requirement is not balding, you still cut a big percentage of what is remaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 06:48 PM
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but even willpower is chemical and depends on frontal lobe of your brain or whatever. this is why people say OJ Simpson killed due to CTE, caused by brain trauma from playing football. this is a philosophical question debated by philosophers still.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 07:33 AM
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http://www.city-data.com/forum/relationships/2033686-why-do-girls-require-college-degree.html most of my friends are northeast US based. it's pretty common to desire a college education in their partner, for a few it is important for it to be a decent college. it seems if i google, this is fairly common.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 02:19 AM
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we have female friends that share stories with us. we have female family members. we hear women talking at the office, we read women talking about it in forums, we read magazine articles, for example: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/03/marry-him/306651/ we hear it RIGHT HERE on this subreddit. "He HAS to have a degree." But bill gates doesn't have a degree, he dropped out of harvard. He's a genius. Bill Gates is smarter than almost every PhD alive. i have female friends that i'…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 01:12 AM
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but we are talking about a pure looks scale, not a personality scale. and you've already admitted that even on a pure aesthetic scale, it isn't meaningless, but worth 1-2 seconds of attention. if you want to include a personality scale, that's a different conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/21 12:09 AM
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yup. and you can prove it mathematically using coin flips. such as heads is above average height and tails is below average height. if you want a man who is above median in all 10 traits that you pick: https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/coin-flip-probability that's the same as landing heads 10 times out of 10. that's less than 0.1% of men. that's STILL a compromise because median is 5'9" in many countries. well below 6" that is desired. and people are here really saying "it's not that ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 11:11 PM
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women are often the first to send signals, from subtle ones to gauge mutual interest to blatant ones that I would consider "open pursuit".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:46 PM
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even then though, that's not "meaningless." they're still getting 1-2 seconds of your attention. and if we're speaking of women generally, many still have the scale i'm talking about where instant lust is the top level physical attraction. if you really have this aesthetic scale of 1-2 seconds of your attention is the top level, then i don't think you can speak for women in general on this particular topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 10:41 PM
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having an aesthetic scale is not meaningless. if someone is at the absolute bottom of that scale, would you not rule that person out by default? but someone at the middle might not even be on your radar, they would be some random person UNTIL maybe you get to know them incidentally through work or something. Then at the top of your scale, someone is so aesthetically pleasing, you may not want to sleep with him yet, but you still might glance over and check him out. After all, he's at the very to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:43 PM
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if we calibrate we have the same scale. you just have extremely aesthetically pleasing at the top of your scale. some women have "will try to fuck him right now" at the top of their scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:35 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ women will stay married to a man they are repulsed by for decades or for their entire life. you sound sane, and that is what you are projecting onto other men and women: sanity. But the reality is that many people are psychologically not rational. The woman hates the man but the man wants to stay married. Shit is fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:28 PM
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if we're talking about physical attraction, instant lust is peak physical attraction. even instant lust has various degrees to it. and if you're talking about instant lust and there is an age gap with no reasonable chance of a relationship except pure fucking, that is the ultimate peak attraction. it might suck when you get that feeling, but that's just how the scale for physical attraction works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:26 PM
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it gets extreme. this is an exaggeration for illustrative purposes. but it does get insane. everyone here knows it gets insane. no, women can't afford to be as picky as they are if they want to maximize happiness. all you have to do is compare the men they are rejecting at 20's to the men they settle down with at 35+. there are women rejecting 9's in their 20's and settling down with 4's in their 30's. any woman who has 2 requirements: 6'+ height and 8+ face has already ruled out 95% of guys. if…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 08:20 PM
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most LTR attraction IS the middle ground. The upper ground is instant lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 07:49 PM
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it is also about stability and friendship and comfort. It is also about family and children and financial support and emotional support. women do love the uglies EVEN when they are disgusted by them physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 07:23 PM
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morals have nearly zero to do with it. what is important is opportunity and hormones. how many men can never watch a porn again after marriage. hormones are just too strong. even for women. you can go 15 years being faithful. then you just meet the right person and your hormones are out of control. you can't stop that. some nations have death penalty for adultery. That does not stop cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 07:11 PM
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the post is about inconsequential actions, such as having gone to community college first before transferring to Harvard. Then a girl who went to state college thinking "He went to community college. That's a no." that is truly delicate. so delicate that it points to something psychological, fear of relationships, fear of rejection, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:45 PM
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i wonder if it is partly a defense mechanism to get away from someone more attractive than you. it gives YOU the power and psychologically think that YOU are rejecting THEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:33 PM
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if the girl is hot enough, i'll eat her boogers. also, most people pick their boogers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/21 06:26 PM
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let's not forget many girls are simply picking a number that sounds nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:07 AM
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3: girl fucked a teacher when she was a student, in college she fucked a professor, and she fucked her best friend's husband. 8: girl had 8 relationships each 6 months to 2 years in length. under 10-12 doesn't really give you any information. depending on age, all i can agree with is that there is a range that seems high.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:40 AM
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n counts needs to be studied more. even then, it's going to debatable. attractive women have more LTR partners in their life, plus attractive women have way more opportunities to cheat after marriage. so you can make the case that simply attractive women cheat more later on. at some point however, you can definitely say high n count is related to psychological issues. but at what point? is 3 vs 8 really different if the person is extremely attractive? Sure, 28 partners may mean something about m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 03:15 AM
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gisele is beautiful in the sense that she is very unique looking. same is true for benedict cumberbatch. those people are going to divide the opinions. if someone really is saying they think gisele is a 6, i can understand that. i don't consider that a deluded opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 11:54 PM
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celebrities also need to date other celebrities. there are tons of problems when celebs (male or female) are out there dating normal folks. celeb relationships are bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 11:28 PM
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in the comments, they say the husbands aren't ugly. so what you say is true, people can get more attracted to a face due to familiarity. but it isn't some rule that you can apply. it sometimes just doesn't happen. and if people read the paper, they could probably criticize the methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:23 PM
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It's silly to suggest that facial beauty is understudied or confusing. from one perspective, it is very confusing. people have a big nose but are a 9. they want a smaller nose to try to become a 10. So they get the operation, but they become a 7. it is NOT because we did not give it enough time to get used to it. they just have a nose now that doesn't fit their face. they're using 3d scans to visualize it too. and it sometimes just doesn't come out right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:20 PM
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These women love their husbands and consider them their best friends, but they say they are disgusted by them physically: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 09:10 PM
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they talked about covering up their acne and that this was not for men. i'm talking about people i know who don't give a fuck what men think and have acne scars. They do NOT use make up to cover them up. in other words, i'm calling out a lie and illogical statements. that's why they feel compelled to answer all these questions. Because people are poking holes in their logic. they're calling people out as superficial. but the reality is that they are also superficial to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:32 PM
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they literally talked about covering up acne. Many people who do not give a fuck about attracting men do not wear make up to cover up acne scars. i will, however, say that if their scars are so bad they attract staring in general, then covering them up can be practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 08:08 PM
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because you have to try to patch up holes in your logic. let me tell you something about WGTOW. a lot of them have acne scars too, and they don't wear make up to cover it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 07:33 PM
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some nations have death penalty for adultery. yet married women are still fucking other guys. the reason is because it's fucking awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:26 AM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ lots of men are married but their wives are not physically attracted to them. lots of women settle. there's a lot of pressure for them to get married and have kids by a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 06:00 AM
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why? There are tons of girls that do a makeover, and are like "I gotta lose 30 pounds to look good" and they are doing it primarily to attract men. They want to get a bikini body in time for summer. can you really not respect those women? it makes sense if you have some preference, that you should meet that preference. say you prefer men who are an 8, seems natural to think "i should lose 30 pounds and try to become an 8 myself". same with other goals like education, salary, etc. even selecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 03:58 AM
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if you think about why women do self-improvement, the sole reason is acquiring men. cleavage and sexy lingerie is most likely not for self-esteem and feeling good when you look at a mirror. implants are probably not for way more confidence during morning coffee alone while reading the news.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 02:11 AM
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that's just to some extent we HELP one another as best as we can. sometimes we have crazy maze-like ramps instead of an elevator. https://metro.co.uk/2014/09/05/seven-utterly-ridiculous-downright-dangerous-and-quite-frankly-useless-wheelchair-ramps-4858613/ we help each other yet still accept a ton of unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:26 AM
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so many women voted for trump, it's fuckin' insane. you have the wrong definition of nice guy. i'm talking about nice people they are helpful and cooperative in the workplace, they pull their weight when you are working together. they are responsible people. they are unselfish and they aren't vain, they don't go lifting weights daily because they are secure. they're not mean and they don't neg people constantly. you can tell they have great emotional control because you've known them for YEARS. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:20 AM
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i'm just saying, it's not fair, but that is random and we deal with it. almost everyone in the world deals with some sort of unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:15 AM
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the women's red pill should NOT have any advice or strategy for men. The red pill for women is simply truth for women that blows their minds. if core red pill for men is that women want to fuck hot guys, then one red pill for women might be: a lot of hot men are willing to fuck average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:12 AM
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women were playing in a game where they couldn't own property but men could. even to this day, many women are playing a game where they are legally required to cover up their entire bodies, while men can walk around like normal human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:07 AM
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you have to go for nice nerds, the gentle, kind ones. the ones you are 100% sure aren't redpilled and they don't care about lifting weights to impress people or getting a hair transplant. i have friends like that, they're top notch personalities. they sacrifice a great deal for their friends and families.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/21 12:05 AM
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but they start lifting and doing stuff to look more attractive. they grow beards, start getting stylish, getting contacts, hair transplants, etc. go for the REAL nerds. the super skinny or overweight guys, super pale, glasses, bad haircuts. you can easily avoid any red pill type guys by dating the REAL nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 11:41 PM
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for women to be red pilled, there would need to be an illusion and a truth. one that might be considered is that if you're even reasonably attractive, most men are going to be willing to fuck you. i feel like online dating has dropped this pill on many women. in real life, not every guy would openly stare at hot women. they had class, they were a gentleman type. in society, we are taught "Don't stare." women grow up sort of knowing that men fuck anything. But being on online dating makes them re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:37 PM
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all you have to really do to counter red pill is just go for the really nice guys. go for the nicest, nerdiest guys you can find. it really is that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 10:07 PM
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that unwanted attention might include zac efron. that could literally be the cost of being discourteous. you hold an elevator door for someone, and 5 years later you're a millionaire. you allow the elevator door to close, and 5 years later the company is bankrupt and a coworker jumped off the roof of your building. at age 30, you list 6'+ only, and you find yourself single at 45 years old. at age 30, you list no height requirement, at age 45 you're happily married to a 5'11" guy, looks exactly l…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 08:03 PM
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can use old pictures where you are 50 pounds thinner. and it's not evenly distributed 50 pounds, those 50 pounds are all in your hips and thighs. you know the body type i'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:43 PM
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that's how strong blue pill is. the shit is available for anyone to see, but everyone is pretending it's not there. women lie to themselves and others that it doesn't happen. men refuse to believe their wives are ogling other men. "women don't ogle men" is the same level as "height doesn't matter at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 07:33 PM
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logically they know that banging a stranger is probably a bad idea and that overrides the attraction if they can override it, then it may be similar to a man's lust. but in my opinion, women might be getting another level, something different that is far more involuntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 06:41 PM
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Women have this reaction too women ogle and stare hungrily, and they're willing to fuck instantly after meeting you. in my opinion, it is waaaaaaay more involuntary than men's lust. maybe because men are used to these hormones, but this feeling is rare for women? how often do you have this reaction? even with insane hormone levels, some young men claim they never just see a woman and just want to the fuck the shit out of her. if you talk to them 5 years later, and ask, they'll know exactly what …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 06:36 PM
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i agree she is still attractive without makeup. i'm talking about how a 10 in a magazine can look more "real" in real life, without the professional make up and lighting. i'm saying you never see a 10 in a cafe because even those 10's in a magazine will not look that good in a cafe. That doesn't mean i think they're UGLY, they are just more human looking, and less like a goddess. but what are the chances they would be hotter than the average supermodel? doubt. uh... nearly 100%? have you taken a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 05:55 PM
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the hormones are what allow you to enjoy licking some anuses but feel disgusted by other anuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 05:51 PM
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they had a good foundation to begin with. certainly. but look at gisele no makeup vs gisele in a magazine advertisement. maybe these supermodels are still a 10 for most people, but they become "realer" in that you can see their flaws more in a "real" setting. you never see "ad gisele" in real life because that's impossible to do. you can't walk around with professional lighting all the time. i'm talking about the difference between a "real" human vs a "photo shoot" human. THAT is all the stuff (…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 05:02 AM
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What are their morals, ethics, and values? people keep bringing this up. the reality is just as many women have shit personalities as men. how many tried to stab hitler when he walked by in a parade instead of giggling? I'm saying in a nation of millions, it is possible for there to be nearly zero women with respectable ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 04:27 AM
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actually, coke might be ok! https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41351251
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 12:42 AM
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it seems bad, i wonder how much of that is projection of how you would feel. i know women, 40's, 50's, they CHOOSE to live in rural areas, they have solitary hobbies, they don't wear make up... i lived in a rural area, met people like that, they don't really have any type of social anxiety or problem. They're not ugly or anything. They enjoy meeting up and sharing a bottle of wine every once in a while. I always read on their faces that they were sad. But after talking to several people like thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 12:34 AM
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become mormon and never watch a porn or drink a coke ever again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 12:17 AM
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conservative minded people have a problem with a woman dating a man who is 3 years younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/21 12:16 AM
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it's different if you set up a room and have that woman there and you invite the man to talk with her. she's the most attractive person he has ever seen, including celebrities he's seen on tv. the problem then is the hormones. this is why people cheat even when there is a death sentence for adultery. forget about morals, you're talking about being stoned to death if you cheat. And both men and women still cheat regularly. And sometimes they are arrested. And the punishment is fucked up and it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 11:25 PM
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orgasm is overrated. if it were important, people wouldn't be fucking strangers or getting into casual sex. if orgasm was primary goal, people would be so happy using toys, watching porn, and being with the most comfortable, stable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 09:16 PM
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how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:51 PM
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if you look at supermodels, no makeup, without good lighting, they are pretty "normal" looking. they're still hot, but you get a better understanding that they are not significantly hotter than the hottest cashiers. if you really had a book of all the female cashiers in the world, and you could select the hottest, they would be hotter than many supermodels. actors and models get their makeup done by professionals. they have professional trainers, professionals are plucking their brows and many a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:47 PM
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the problem is that most of those people eventually change. at some point in your life you might meet someone that you have extreme lust for. way beyond what you've ever experienced. the sex hormones simply overpower the oneitis dopamine. you might say you want a mutual oneitis, but a decade down the line, it really might be you that has a change in preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:33 PM
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Wanking to porn of another woman doesn't mean you're in love with her or view her anything than a means to get off in the next 5 minutes. There's nothing emotional or about "loyalty" there. there IS something about loyalty when you're fucking other women in your mind. the porn is easy to access and you choose to access it. What if: real sex with the hottest women was available for men? would it be OK to fuck those people for real just like you fuck pornstars in your mind? this is why i completel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 07:27 PM
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we're talking about a woman who is a 10. if she models she will make more than barista tips. she can have an instagram and make money doing sponsorships. that's the low end. at the high end she can becomes a spokesperson for brands. yes, if you're still hot when you're close to 30, there is a very good chance you are intelligent and have self control and you follow routines for exercise and diet. if you are dumb you simply are one of those many girls that were hot at age 18 and by the time they …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 06:09 PM
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these hypotheticals in many of the comments are getting unrealistic. you're calling her a super model. why wouldn't she just go become a real super model and possibly make more money than the guy's entire family? the worst she can do is only become a "regular" model, right? if she'll have your children, the difference between an 8 and a 10 is not meaningless. on top of this, a woman that looks this good probably has some level of intelligence and self-control. they are dieting, they are exercisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 08:04 AM
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i concede that there's too much of that. a lot of anecdotes are enough to be pretty confident of some conclusions. but if your anecdote is that a 5'6" guy at your workplace is killing it, the conclusion is not "height does not matter." The conclusion is that "there are things that can overcome being short."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 03:17 AM
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there IS a methodology. you are collecting data from two different profiles. that IS an experiment, however crude you might think it is. this is a REPRODUCIBLE experiment with consistent results. not only that, but it matches common sense and the conclusion is not controversial: attractive people get more results and more people very interested in meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 03:11 AM
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world class scientists go too far in their certainty and are often ridiculed for it. even the basic prediction of covid deaths really hurt the reputation of some medical doctors, especially over confident ones. there are scientists that are claiming some ulcers are caused by bacteria, and they were right but ridiculed for a long time. and in the opposite way, scientists like pauling make crazy claims like vitamin c can cure cancer, and it doesn't seem like it does. scientists are overconfident v…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 03:07 AM
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TRP gets into trouble by trying to provide more details than the literature supports and by being more certain about many of its assertions than is supported. trp can BE the literature. chadfishing does lead to data, for example, and you can draw conclusions from it. anecdotes and sharing experiences are data. you can draw conclusions from those. A: "i know a short guy that has a girlfriend." B: "Therefore height does not matter. Personality is everything." The above is NOT what i'm talking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 11:52 PM
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maybe they were blind when following their original plan. if you meet your best friend, someone you can have philosophical discussions with, someone that has similar interests and will pursue those interests with you, that's too much to throw away and move on. it might be worth it to try to make that one work and realize that you're both human beings with human desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 08:30 PM
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a lot of these women are still married. some have been married for like 50 years. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 07:17 PM
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even oprah sells scam products. that's how tempting it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:57 PM
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For the record, my critique applies to both sides. Thoughts? it would apply to one side much more, because one side uses statistics and research and data much more than the other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 06:07 AM
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Volume means getting to know someone, not scanning a room if you're talking about a scatterplot, then 50% of volume is about attractiveness in real life, whereas online you're dealing with pictures. so you can't tell me that's not volume. All you can do is tell if they are hot. you can talk and find out if you have something in common. there is so much information you have in real life. even smell. if you are in a museum, for example, that is information. how someone dresses is information. you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 01:18 AM
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but it IS volume when you scan a room and you have a love at first sight feeling. you can know where that dot is on the scatterplot very quickly. that's what i'm talking about in terms of effort. that's zero effort. and the effort in OLD becomes frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:28 AM
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i'm not talking about friends groups though. i'm talking about coworkers, acquaintances, bars, hobbies, etc. also including straight up cold approaches. it may have worked for you. it also might depend on things like your location, suburb, city, small town, rural, etc. and actually, i'm willing to try apps again based on what you said. but there's still zero effort when you meet someone naturally and you just know you are attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:13 AM
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i mean, you think there's no other examples? you really think that make up can't be insanely transformative, coupled with the right angles in photography?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 12:01 AM
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two things though, you can marry someone that is genuinely interested in you, as a friend, who will have your children, and raise them, she'll also cook for you. she may also have a career and if so, she's going to pay the bills too. at some point you'll retire together and travel the world and go on adventures.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:44 PM
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i never said EVERY 3 can become an 8. you have to have the right face for it, which is a bland looking face with no prominent features. https://nypost.com/2021/06/16/tiktok-mom-slams-trolls-hating-on-her-dentures-and-makeovers/ it is possible for SOME women. it is not possible for all women. And not all women choose to fraud this drastically. Just like there are men that lie about their height by 5 inches, while other men lie about their height by 1 inch.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:41 PM
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i thought we were talking about average men, not decent looking. not in shape either. if you are dead average, then go for the beta bux and get a decent looking girl. that's not a bad deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:28 PM
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no matter what, you're still meeting someone for the first time, and it can be disappointing. if you're doing volume, you still want to meet many people physically. you also MISS people that you SHOULD have met, but didn't for some reason. that's another problem with volume. too many choices is often bad, counterintuitively, for many things, not just dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:23 PM
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even make up alone can turn a 3 into an 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 11:03 PM
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i disagree. too many frauds. that means too much effort setting up a first date, going on the first date, paying for someone's coffee, etc. within 3 seconds you know this isn't going to be longterm. they were a 10 online, and they're a 7 in real life. or they have a super high pitched voice, or their legs are really short and you couldn't tell from pics, she looks 40 pounds heavier, etc. none of those are deal breakers, and everyone has flaws, but you go through a lot of effort just to figure ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 10:58 PM
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those are the top successful guys. there's still a lot of guys that are not famous but moderately successful, six figure salary kind of guys. guys also often want someone to raise their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 10:44 PM
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it depends on how hot the girl is and if she has your children. it's still not a bad deal for an average guy who happens to become wealthy and successful. woody allen, stephen hawking, etc. did they really have it bad because of modernization? Fuck no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 10:31 PM
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they also lie about their height by a ridiculous amount sometimes. beards hide their weak jaws. they use older photos when they were thinner. men and women are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 09:08 PM
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because, since they are selling something, they invest in advertising and marketing and making a product that goes viral, such as clickbait titles and clickbait info, stories, exaggeration, etc. the "true" leaders are when you go read the scientific papers in the journals, and you look at the names of the authors. those are the leaders. you might see their name under the title of the articles, like "John Doe, PhD University of Nebraska. Jane Smith, PhD University of Connecticut."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 07:54 PM
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disagree. if you use OLD enough, there are many people you think are hot in pictures and in real life they are a 3. it's just insane what the right angle in photographs can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 06:57 PM
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a photo of someone and they’re hot/not so hot and when you see them IRL they’re the opposite. the poster might not have gone on enough OLD dates to experience this. you can do massive frauding with your photos. use old photos, lie about shit like height, etc. everyone that looked like a 10 i've seen in real life was more like a 7 and sometimes even a 6. i've met many people that looked like a 7 online but were more 4/5 in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 06:45 PM
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i'm a guy. it's not that they are equal results. it's that they are equally opportunistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 06:35 PM
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that is the option available. men have easy access to porn. women have easy access to sex. they are both utilizing what is easily available to them. for example, if the roles were reversed: if men could go to a bar and women approached them and men could easily have sex, they would do it all the time. both genders are simply being opportunistic. There are many loyal women that would love if their husbands stopped looking at porn or checking out other women in public. men are opportunistic by usi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 08:30 AM
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whatever your plan is, for example: becoming a sugar daddy. It's really all good. times change, society changes and we adapt.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/21 12:10 AM
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settling is not being forced though. resent is also too strong of a word. there are women who are not physically attracted, but still 100% love their husbands. they care for them when they are sick, they do errands, the majority of household chores even when they are employed full time. they willingly and gladly have their children. many will retire with them and travel the world and go on adventures. But because women are also human beings, they MAY fantasize about another hot guy. They may mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:44 PM
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yes, that's how it is from now on. deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 11:15 PM
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not if she's hotter than you and you are getting consistent sex. your wife is going to lust after other men anyway. it doesn't matter how attractive you are. because she's a human being. Just like YOU will lust after hot women no matter how hot your wife is. you might check out another woman's ass. you might even watch some porn while you're married. even if she's disgusted by you, if you are her best friend, if you have raised children together, if she cares for you when you are sick, and if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 09:03 PM
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so new goalposts? you were talking about public generally. and the advice is just not good for people trying to meet people. the reality is two people can meet ANYWHERE naturally and have a great conversation that is 0% cringey. half of romantic movies are two people meeting somewhere random. two people can meet on a large boat and before it reaches land one of them can die and that can be a romantic story. in your version of the titanic, the girl tells the guy "I can only meet coworkers and fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 07:16 AM
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you were talking about meeting in public generally. that isn't a false premise. it works. and i would bet many people have experienced it but are misclassifying it. Because they think a "natural" conversation isn't a cold approach. Women also approach and start conversations. ok, so maybe a mall food court isn't ideal, but what about an art store where both customers share an interest in art. that's still out in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 06:44 AM
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i mean, it can lead to sex, so from one perspective, it is objectively a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 05:49 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18719219/ i don't think a guy is just approaching every girl he sees, getting rejected, and you see him move on to the next girl. also he really can be there to shop too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 03:18 AM
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first, women do it all the time, but it's even worse because they put on a skimpy outfit. second, nobody tells you that's why they're hanging out at the mall. men go to the mall just to shop and eat. you never know why they are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/21 02:55 AM
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it is easy to understand. women are pressured to get married by society or their parents. women desire what others have. men pursue women. women have a more limited time to have children. dating takes a huge amount of time and resources, you can't just expect to meet a new guy within the next 3 years or whatever limit you give yourself. some have the opinion that women have shorter "peak" years range. it makes no sense if you're 22 and you see it happen or people talk about settling. it makes a …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/21 02:32 AM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ many really don't know what they want and they often have trouble figuring out what is making them unhappy. it can take decades to figure out that they are simply not physically attracted to their partner. BOTH men and women will go along with what society says they should want, especially religious people. decades later they might realize what they want is something that society is telling them they should not be wanting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:59 PM
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they would get married and cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:37 PM
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people are really claiming women are cheating on a guy that they are fully attracted to with a guy that they are not fully attracted to. that's very basic psychology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(psychology))
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:23 PM
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if men had the same options nearly 100% of men would take them. in a role reversed parallel universe, where men who are 6's who have a realistic chance of fucking women who are 10's just by glancing a few times at them, almost all men would be fucking 10's regularly. it would be constant eyefucking everywhere you go. just consider that porn is easy to access, and think about how many men have seen at least 5 minutes of porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:11 PM
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How many guys are out there that a woman would marry or LTR but not want to fuck a lot. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 07:26 PM
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it even happens that women will ridicule a man for being short. There was one video that i saw a while back where a guy must have been well under 5 feet tall. it went viral because he started raging because the girl at the restaurant laughed at him because he was short.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:07 AM
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i mean, i'm sure people can hear kids laughing at you or talking about you. Same kids are taking photos and uploading them even to reddit. at least in the past when it wasn't as strict.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/21 08:00 AM
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you would rather be an ugly woman than an above average man? Not just for dating, but for life?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 09:41 PM
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those attractive traits first have some degree of subjectivity, and they are not everything. i assume that they don't include height, voice, holistic aesthetics, and there is some absolute such as all recessed chins are bad, even though they can look hot on a girl. on these charts, andrew garfield, john cho, dev patel are all fairly average guys. in reality, these guys are all way above average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 09:32 PM
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it's almost like she hit on you a second time by telling you she hit on you before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 07:59 PM
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they all know how to communicate 100% that they're willing to fuck without words. or if they don't, they eventually figure it out as they get a little older. and if they're a 6/7 they eventually figure out they have very realistic chances of fucking guys that are 9/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 07:31 PM
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normal well adjusted men sometimes don't even know that their wife can be attracted to other men. It shocks them. They thought their wife hated sex and was attracted to loyalty and gentleness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 07:46 AM
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it takes some women decades to figure out what she wants. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ women can convince THEMSELVES that they want a nice guy and physical attraction is not important, and then change their minds some time later.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 07:40 AM
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one psychological reason mentioned often is that they don't have to feel as much guilt for having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:13 AM
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women lie because they will be called sluts, or worse, they'll be punched in the face by some guy who think it's filthy, though he watches it exclusively on porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 03:12 AM
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women's perspective on these types of marriages: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/21 08:48 PM
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it isn't a misreading at all. the core of it is truth vs. illusion. and that is why it became a meme, because it is applicable to so many things. I'm not saying it is always applied accurately, just that the general idea of truth vs illusion is very relevant to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 08:42 PM
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it's just one analogy: blue pill / red pill. illusion vs truth. it's just a meme. there are other analogies for illusion/truth such as Plato's cave. it simply is the one that became popular. i have a red pill blog, which i can't mention. it has zero bitching and whining. and a lot of acceptance of how the world is. i see nothing wrong with any woman choosing to do whatever she wants to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 08:36 PM
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you're just focused on the bitching and whining. you're just listening to Cypher who wants to go back into the Matrix and makes a side deal with Agent Smith. But there are all kinds of people talking about shit. Both Neo and Cypher are red pilled, but they have two very different goals. once you're truly red pilled, the blue pill illusion of purity means nothing. n-count truly becomes irrelevant and you can start seeing women as human beings. the greatest art, movies, literature, teaches us this…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 08:21 PM
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the legal side was originally created to protect men. if the wife cheats, she gets the death penalty. that's the original legal side. there is no divorce, and marriage is forever. that's legality. only recently has the legal side been more about women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 07:09 PM
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here's another source: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:24 AM
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if you're the jealous type it really won't matter. your wife is thinking of fucking other guys no matter how conservative or religious she is. in fact, if she is religious and considers premarital sex a sin, it is actually more taboo and kinkier. It is far more erotic. you have to get used to the idea that your partner is a human being that can experience pleasure and has fantasies. if you can't, you can always get a doll or robot/software program.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 03:09 AM
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Women are coming closer to evaluating a man's total worth as a human being. though for casual sex, it is much more based on looks. But at the same time, you got tons of Trump-voting women just like in Nazi Germany you had girls laughing and smiling while Hitler walked by in a parade. So someone may be evaluating you, but they're not immune to harsh criticism of their morals and intellect. Women have long known this intuitively, and try to hide it. agree. yet there is something even more extreme:…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 01:18 AM
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i think it is both unlikely statistically, yet realistic individually. individually, people will know that it is possible, for example, graduating from a top college and then getting an MBA. if you're 35 and you find yourself working at a dead end job, then obviously you will know your chances are not good for that goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/21 06:40 PM
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she doesn't know you yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:44 PM
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so you don't want the person you fall in love with to have experienced pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 10:29 PM
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they do not seem to learn anything there's nothing to learn. a lot of women just enjoy sex and claim they don't. men are just idiots that don't understand this. how blind to reality can you be? they have an inaccurate understanding of what is happening. This is why some men are judgmental when a woman they know lets a guy fuck her. like the conservative quiet girl in the office let the jerk fuck her and men are shocked. They're missing the woman's perspective. From the woman's perspective it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 09:50 PM
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women choose to do something because they enjoy doing it. it still makes way more sense than your convoluted argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 08:35 PM
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sexual revolution is tied to feminism and women's rights. slut-shaming, calling lust a sin, death penalty for adultery, covering bodies head to toe, female circumcision to reduce pleasure, til death do us part, premarital sex is a sin... these are men's inventions. if married women don't want to fuck men that aren't their husbands, they simply can choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 08:23 PM
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i'd say it starts from anecdotal evidence. men over 40, IF they are successful, make over six figures, own a home, nice car, they often settle down with a hot young woman. I know several couples like that. the guy is like a 4 or 5, and the woman is like an 8. there's nothing unrealistic about that. if you work hard, it is attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 08:16 PM
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most men can distinguish between lust and romantic infatuation, because most men have experienced those two distinct emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 08:05 PM
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i feel like they both mean attractive enough to sleep with nearly instantly, or at least the possibility is there if they meet and they seem "normal." otherwise, the numbers don't make sense. the numbers are not about dateability. They would consider more men above average if it were merely about dateability. But almost nobody is very attractive and almost everybody is below average. just anecdotally that seems to match up with female friends' instant attraction to a guy. it is rare. The numbers…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 07:22 PM
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plenty of women here who share "real" conversations that make no sense at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 05:58 AM
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Being a wh0re, however, is wrong because women discriminate who they have sex with, so if you don't fuck gay guys, you're immoral? You discriminate against gay men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:27 AM
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her maturity level can INCREASE and that can lead to MORE casual fucking. I'll give you an example: A repressed girl, watches too many Disney movies and believes in soulmates and believes that sluts are very bad. marries a man that she isn't physically attracted to because her mom said he was The One and that love will come "later." "Close your eyes and think of England." when her entire life philosophy actually MATURES and she becomes more intelligent, that can lead to her understanding that se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:23 AM
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The weird thing is women keep selling porn but at the same time demonize the men who consume it and then bitch about men having double standards (slut shaming, beauty standards, etc.). it's the other way around. Men demonize women for producing porn but they don't ever consider themselves filthy for consuming porn. women don't demonize porn consumers, unless they're demonizing 100% of men with normal testosterone levels. your whole post is about morality, worthiness, character, the association o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:17 AM
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maturity has nothing to do with casual sex. you can be extremely mature and have lots of casual sex or you can be an extremely immature women who saves herself for marriage. You can argue the same way that the "true self" of a man is revealed if he chooses to watch porn or not. It's just a click away, and if you have pure soul you will never click on any porn. But if you're filthy and demonic, you will click on the porn and watch it. morality and fucking are unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/21 01:08 AM
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I’d argue I’m a far superior judge than you on this but if you're out there saying "height doesn't matter" you have to claim you're a superior judge than all the other women saying that height matters to them. so one man and one women arguing about their anecdotes are in the same position. To be a "superior judge" you need to bring in the statistics and data.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 10:09 PM
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red pill should be defined as something that is separate from self-improvement, game, politics, etc. People should go back to the matrix definition: Illusion Vs. Truth. (this does not red pill is 100% true, this just means from the red pill perspective the illusion is being lifted.) Both Neo and Cypher are red pilled in the Matrix, but they have very different goals. however, I'd like to introduce another definition. red pill defined in relation to blue pill. The blue pill illusion is that sluts…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 07:18 PM
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how often you're hit on is not relevant. the story doesn't logically add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:49 AM
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if he was astonished, then it worked for him in the past. but i doubt this story... if "handsome man" used that line multiple times, he will have had someone say no. a handsome man will have experienced being rejected when they are polite and respectful. so why would that line work 100% of the time? it obviously would not work 100% of the time. Therefore, I suspect that he would not be "astonished" and that you are making this up. The logic does not add up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:43 AM
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again, YOU might be like that. but in general looks influence how creepy people find each other. This applies to both men and women. YOU might be one of the most objective people on the planet. But nearly 100% of people are biased by looks, including a judge in the court of law, where he keeps a little plaque by his bedside to remind him his highest calling: "Equal justice under law" and which he recites every morning before heading to work. That guy is strongly subconsciously influenced by look…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:24 AM
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you don't do it to the same women, you do it to a lot of different women per profile, and you gauge if one is creepier when received. it's already been done and the same words are less creepy when coming from an attractive person. in other words, it is FAR from "horse shit." You just WISH it were horse shit or it MIGHT be horseshit to YOU personally. But on average, it is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:11 AM
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That’s a load of horse shit. what about having two online dating profiles: one attractive, one not attractive. and then messaging women the exact same creepy shit. do you believe that on average one will be received as creepier than the other by the women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 01:02 AM
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*The exception to this rule is old lady activities such as salsa, painting etc. I've seen the sex ratios skew heavily female in such spaces, but those are women who are mostly out of the dating market and not open to male advances when i was younger, i took painting classes during the day and worked evenings. many women were housewives or older or retired. they were not only open to male advances, some were aggressive and pursued. in general, older women are often more red pilled. they spend dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 11:59 PM
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The data is there. The data comes from taxpayer funded research. Psychologists wonder if assholes are more attractive, and they set up experiments. Not all the experiments are perfect, but some are good and accurate. Nerdy scientists LOVE this kind of shit. The reason why all this stuff sounds scientific is because they are conclusions of credible scientists whose research appears in real scientific journals. this is the true red pill: The stuff that appears in the scientific papers, if you're g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 07:09 PM
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I think the number 1 is certainly the worst. Debate. there are at least a few numbers between 2 and 10,000 that are worse. but, seriously, people should stop thinking about n count. they should learn how to accept being vulnerable. they should learn to be less jealous and accept other people's independence. they should learn to accept that they can't control some things in life. they should accept that people change, including themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 07:27 AM
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you really don't get the point? You really never heard young women say "I'm getting married by 30" or "i'm getting married by 40"? You never heard an older woman tell a younger woman "Don't worry. Love will get deeper as you get older."? The entire point is that a woman wants a family and children and also financial support and she just does not have unlimited time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 11:32 PM
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all relationship statistics, dating statistics, marriage statistics. https://www.wevorce.com/blog/why-are-so-many-people-in-an-unhappy-marriage/ including just basic statistics such as divorce rate. If people are divorcing and cheating all the time, it means that before the divorce, and before cheating, the couples had a problem. in other words, right now, many couples that seem happy simply are not happy. That's what statistics tell us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 09:15 PM
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do you know why i instantly assume you're a man? most women already know that many women settle, marry men they aren't in love with, or even physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 08:43 PM
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some men are confident that they have good knowledge of their relationships with their wives, but they are very mistaken: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ in fact, their wives found them physically disgusting from the very first moment they met. the reason why this happens is because women feel great societal pressure to settle down. this pressure is insane. "your attraction will deepen over time" is common advice moms give to their daughters. the problem is that there's no gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:45 PM
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your decisions are perfectly reasonable. i'm just sharing another evolutionary aspect of things. slut shaming is created by society, disease is biological, etc. i hope it adds to the discussion for someone. And I wouldn't marry someone like Tiger Woods in the first place.I would marry someone only when I 100% trust him and love him. Otherwise marriage is pointless imo. but tiger woods wasn't like that before he got married. Or at least if he was, nobody knew about it. You can never know someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 07:29 AM
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women are having casual sex because their body wants it. their body wants it because we evolved that way. the reason women aren't interested as much as men is because, biologically, they are way more selective. sex with a partner is also risky unless you follow them around and make sure they don't cheat and you get tested regularly. if your husband is Tiger Woods, do you trust him?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 06:06 AM
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biologically, pregnancy is the entire point. it's the genetic quality that's worth the risk biologically. that's why people do it. because, biologically, it is worth it. the women who did it passed on their genes more successfully. you also don't need to orgasm to enjoy something. the most optimal strategy for the body is start preparing to be fucked when a really hot guy appears.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 05:48 AM
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these are women's opinions in the comments too: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 04:18 AM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ read the comments. women marry men and have sex with them and have their children and stick with them for decades and are often faithful and loyal during this time, while they feel physically disgusted by their partner THE ENTIRE TIME. sometimes they say they do love their partner and sometimes they consider their partner their best friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 02:10 AM
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how is it like a free market? Even free market can have consistent supply and demand and essentials and non-essentials.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:50 AM
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what? A 10 guy and a 7 girl? they both can have a great time. but there's a wrong perspective in the post that is somewhat blue pilled. the idea that the girl is the one being used. This is from the sluts-are-bad perspective of blue pill society. From the woman's perspective, it's gonna be awesome. and that's why it keeps happening. Because 5's and 6's at some point figure it out: it is a very realistic possibility to get fucked by a 10 at some point in their life. if you want to know how awesom…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:16 AM
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it's not true. when a 7 girl is banging a 10 guy, she's the one using him.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:01 AM
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The "serial killer" argument is a cartoonish distortion of this rather mundane observation since it conflates the by far greater variable (fame) with the background reality of bad boy appeal. it's extreme, but doesn't distort the fact that many women will write fan mail to a serial killer. it should have NEGATIVE appeal. The mail should stop. But it doesn't. And like I said, it's a peculiar pattern that psychologists will discuss. There are plenty of other famous people to write to that are NON-…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:40 PM
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it's a fine argument, considering that serial killers get A LOT of fan mail. It is STILL a common, recurring theme in attraction. It is a pattern noticed by research psychologists, psychiatrists, sociologists, etc. Yes, it focuses on the extreme, the less extreme version is that dark triad traits play a role in attraction for many people. And the studies show that. extremes do reveal something about average people. For example, there are more male serial killers, and that reveals to me, that men…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 10:18 PM
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doesn't matter that they're famous or not. They are STILL A SERIAL KILLER. do you not understand that? you are ignoring the fact that they are a serial killer and focusing on their fame. "Oh, they're just famous. It's normal for them to have fans. Just don't focus on their brutal killings. That's negligible." since they are a KILLER, i argue that your argument is the "insane" one. your argument is absolutely bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:53 PM
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that doesn't negate dark triad studies. whether they do harm or good is another debate. those dark triad studies exists and phd's study them and write papers about them. in my opinion, the entirety of red pill overall is harmful for many men. Yet I'm not going to claim those studies don't exist. Even evolution is harmful to Christianity. Again, I'm not sitting here claiming evolution is fake news.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:09 PM
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Yeah no what, you don't think controlling jealous men exist? just literally saw it on the news where one of these types of dudes killed his girlfriend. Bull, a while back this was true but it isn’t anymore. it is 100% true that many women, maybe most women, do not want to appear slutty, and both men and women consider being slutty a bad thing. So can and do women. the next sentence I wrote after that is "There's no real stigma."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 09:02 PM
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these are different arguments. the bottom line is that if you wear slacks and a polo, and you have some success with women, that doesn't allow you to dismiss scientific dark triad studies if you want to sound reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:57 PM
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it's not possible for a man in that specific situation to know whether a conversation is productive or not. in most of these cases the woman is still sleeping with the man fairly regularly. the man is going to be finished in two minutes. it gets even more complex when the woman considers the man her "best friend" and she really cares about him. "I just don't like sex. I'm not into that stuff. I don't get any enjoyment out of it. Can we have sex once a month? Fine, I can do once every two weeks."…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:50 PM
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it doesn't mean anything that serial killers have many, many women writing them and sometimes actually fucking them and having a child? And they marry them? It doesn't mean anything when a beautiful woman makes the trip to your court appearances? That IS an extreme example. But the whole point of the example is to show how a woman can be attracted to an asshole that is not a killer, but simply a coworker who is a jerk. try to picture the graph in your head. there are many women who are attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:28 PM
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a woman marries a man that physically disgusts her and always has physically disgusted her. are they really going to have honest conversations about sex? THINK about that. what the fuck can a man do about that? He got manipulated. The only thing that he can do is wait until she is honest with him. Until that time, he will not know that there is anything wrong. because SHE MARRIED HIM.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 08:03 PM
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I’ve never had any problems with women that has nothing to do with whether "bad" is more attractive. also, your clothes don't matter. you think there are no preppy assholes out there? This is such a poor argument. at this point, a single link is a way better argument than yours. https://www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/why-did-serial-killer-richard-ramirez-attract-fangirls
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:59 PM
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Women can literally oogle at hot men without any issue. they really can't do that without issue. first, their partner might beat the living shit out of them or worst case: OJ Simpson level jealousy. slut-shaming is just far worse for women than anything men do. Men can declare in public they have sex or porn addiction. There's no real stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:53 PM
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because they are blue piled. they think the woman doesn't enjoy sex period. the woman literally married them, so they think they are like that to all men. i mean, just think about that conversation. a woman can end that conversation by just saying she doesn't like sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:38 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ it's not that uncommon for a married woman to wake up and realize: "I've never been physically attracted to my husband ever." women just have immense pressure to settle down and have kids. they have limited time. there are many women out there that think "I'm getting married before 30 no matter what."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:09 PM
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but don't forget porn is infinitely better now than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:06 PM
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the 1/5 is probably a guy that can get casual sex regularly at a bar or club. i don't necessarily agree with that number, but that is the real life equivalent of the dating app numbers. i think most people will agree that most people can find an LTR EVENTUALLY.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:46 PM
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it's super common: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/wellbeing/ask-dr-radha-i-resent-partner-losing-weight-95844 you can google thousands of these stories. think about an overweight couple. they're both pretty chunky. The girl loses a lot of weight and becomes skinny with a nice butt. You think some of those guys won't be worried or insecure? and in my opinion, nothing simp about it, but it's just a damn interesting topic about psychology. it can happen when the man loses weight too, and the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 06:15 PM
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also not uncommon is the guy leaving the girl after the girl loses weight because of insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 07:19 AM
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this is not equality no matter what your definition of it is but my definition is anyone can do whatever sex activity they want without having society shame them. No, it is not inevitable it may not be completely inevitable, but the ball has been rolling for quite a while, in that premarital sex is no longer taboo, and divorce is no longer scandalous, that kind of stuff. equality for women is when they are free to think about sex and fulfill their desires and talk freely about sex, etc without a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 03:31 AM
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yes, if they can get it. but we have just true equality in the sense that we can all fuck anyone we want if they are willing. in other words, if you can have an affair, equality is that you can go for it, and not be labelled a slut. you are a human and you have desires and experience pleasure. we still have hot men willing to fuck a lot of average girls. but we do not have hot women willing to fuck a lot of average guys. we can have legal prostitution and porn for that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 12:14 AM
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maybe i didn't phrase it well. equality is inevitable. this is what society's goal is. the end game is that there's nothing wrong with women having sex. there are no sluts. if you're blue or red pill, it doesn't matter. just like porn used to be sinful. But over time, it was normal, because zero men can really resist the ease of it. beautiful women having sex just a click away. the same is true for women. but for women, real sex is easy to get. just like porn was easy to get for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 12:08 AM
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the end game is the same thing that many women had. they got married, had kids, their husbands fucked the secretary. now it is men's turn. our wives are the ones that are fucking. acceptance of that is true equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 11:56 PM
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any man can leave his family and go start a new family. society accepts that. it's time for society to accept it when women do it. women should take advantage of it. they should go out and experience life. you have one life. go fuck a hot guy. travel the world. start new hobbies. discover new things. start new careers. go back to school. especially if they were raised by religious or strict parents and missed out on a lot of that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:10 AM
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it's clear that many women here have limited real world social experience. they've never heard the struggles of a short guy in their work places. i've heard this being discussed in 100% of work places or social circles I've been a part of. i've talked about that with my fucking relatives during holidays. one thing talked about here often is how non-normal men are here. Well, now it is very clear the same must be true for many of the women here. Many are basement dwellers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 06:40 AM
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In fact our modern BP society is more likely to view lust as something “normal and biological” vs a religious patriarchy. that's because the people who view lust as normal and biological are red pilled to a certain extent. Yes religions present the behavior as sinful because they were otherwise a detriment to social order that doesn’t mean they are based on blue pill. i disagree that women engaging in safe casual sex is automatically a detriment to social order. this is all related to blue pill,…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 11:36 PM
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The punishment exist to deter the behavior that we know people are naturally inclined to. but that behavior is not normal. the perspective is what matters. Lust is established as a sin in religion. It's not established as something that is completely normal and biological and experienced by everyone. The Devil must be influencing you to experience so much lust. Genital mutilation and death sentences are pretty extreme for a "natural inclination" don't you think? the punishment doesn't exist beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 06:16 PM
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and the town simply is irrelevant in our era. the 20 year old guy dates a 40 year old woman, it just doesn't matter anymore. when i was a kid, a woman got cancer and it was scandalous. seriously. she was embarrassed by surviving cancer. divorce was scandalous. adultery was super scandalous. a woman getting breast implants was insane gossip. today, teachers and doctors are making amateur porn. the town joke today is that you're the joke of the 80 year olds in the nursing home. They're making fun …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 05:50 PM
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FGM supports that because these rules become normalized. Because they are normalized and uphold the blue pill illusions, society can basically FORGET about these things and move on while the illusion is supported. For example, if you have a death sentence for adultery, that reduces adultery. They come to think that adulterers are evil, that there is something very abnormal about them, sinful even. But the reality is that lust is biological and experienced by almost everyone. But when you say Lus…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 05:39 PM
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i mean, you weren't really specific. mutual attraction can mean so many different things. and yes, many people in red pill are venting and exaggerating their claims. people do that. republicans, democrats, socialists, capitalists, etc. i'm not even sure what you're getting at here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 05:28 PM
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not sure what you mean, just physical attraction or infatuation. Just general mutual attraction, I would say almost everyone. Because i believe if you're obese, for example, you aren't disgusted by other obese people. in that sense, i do believe in that blue pill mantra "there's someone for everyone."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 06:54 AM
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no, that's not healthy. but on the flip side: https://marriagehelper.com/im-not-attracted-to-my-husband/ The above link is not healthy either. It's completely fucked up, even. I think most red pillers can agree there is other romantic attraction. this 80/20 rule is largely some online rule of first impression attraction. Most people who are citing these things are venting about how all women are like that. most people are still going to get married and most people will feel loved at some point i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:57 AM
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the facts are most of the stuff that is presented as data by reputable sociologist or psychologist. If there is a study on it, and the people who write it (sometimes the scientist is a woman) are from a reputable university, and the journal they publish it in is reputable, then the research starts to become very credible scientifically. That doesn't mean that it is 100% correct. But if there are multiple studies on some topic and they reach the same conclusion, I'll consider that factual informa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:40 AM
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there IS data where women consider 80% of men unattractive. But that also does not mean that can't change once women get to know those people. that is mostly first impressions. and it is not accurate because it is from 2 dimensional pictures. but some data is there. it can be true and damaging also. just like evolution can damage religion. And the anecdotal data is here too, in this forum where women say the minimum is a 6' tall guy. That IS under 20% of the male population.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 02:10 AM
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i'd have to see specifics of that argument being made, the caveats. do i believe in a general 80/20 online dating rule? sure. that's what the data says. do i believe every statement under the red pill label? No. but most core ones, where there is research done on it, I have no problem accepting. Most women believe that height plays an important role in dating too. there are facts and there are opinions that people who say they are red pill will state. if you go with the matrix analogy, the red p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 01:49 AM
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Can you understand how those ideas would get in the way of a loving, trusting mutual connection? some are ideas and opinions and strategies, others are facts supported by data. Can you understand that? Can FACTS get in the way of a loving, trusting, mutual connection? YES! Can dinosaur fossils erode a christian civilization? YES! That does not mean that the dinosaur fossils are an idea! The dinosaur fossils are still real! Some christians do believe that dinosaur fossils are ideas and opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 01:38 AM
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the whole point of this post is that there are facts and there are opinions and strategies. the red pill, at least in terms of blue pill/red pill in the matrix, is just the Truth. Example: Height matters more than people say when it comes to attraction. That's just based on sociologists doing research on this stuff. They have data for that. It's not opinion or ideology. What you do with those facts is ideology and strategy and opinion. You can be a feminist and be red pilled. Your feminist ideol…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/21 01:21 AM
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no, i'm using the definition of micropenis provided by other sources. on top of that, i'm using the definitions provided by YOU: it is defined as "genetic aberration" and "hormonal abnormality" On top of that, the link you give provides the statistic: 0.6% and the description "rare". a 5 inch dick just isn't rare when the average is 6". just like 5'7" guys aren't "very rare." it took everyone under 1 second to realize something is off about your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:44 PM
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none of it matters because you should be able to figure out that even a 4" dick is not necessarily abnormal. from amateur porn or asking gay men who had many partners. you should easily be able to google other info that has different definitions of micropenis. you should easily be able to check out the wikipedia page or look at pictures of this condition where there really are genetic aberrations and hormonal conditions. everyone is telling you that there's something wrong with what you are pres…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 08:23 PM
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i'm not sure why you wrote all that. none of that matters. the article is talking about hormonal abnormalities or genetic aberration. compare that to heights. a 5'3" guy is not a medical condition and can be perfectly healthy and grew up with the proper nutrition. even 5'0" is not necessarily abnormal. watch a lot of amateur porn or just ask a gay man who has seen a lot of dicks: is 5" abnormal, an aberration? you don't need any statistics to figure this one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 07:54 PM
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all of the things you mentioned prop up the blue pill illusion that women don't experience sexual pleasure and that they care about true love, monogamy, and personality. those things FORCE a woman to accept blue pill. And often, things such as "Lust is sinful" and slut-shaming also pressure woman to go along with Blue Pill. FGM which decreases the amount of sexual pleasure females can experience, supports the blue pill illusion that women don't experience sexual pleasure. do you get MY perspecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:44 PM
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read the first sentence of the link: Statistically, micropenis occurs in 0.6 percent of the population, making it a rare characteristic. also, read the first link that they cite: "In men, an SPL of 3 2/3 inches or less indicates a micropenis" ask a gay man if a 5 inch dick is very abnormal and very rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/21 06:29 PM
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simple. they'll cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:58 PM
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Why do they expect virgins they don't. if you're red pilled, you expect high n-count, higher than the surveys say, and higher than what a person tells you. the people who expect virgins are still obsessed with Blue Pill illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 08:55 PM
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you can call the patriarchy red pill. But someone that wants marriage to succeed in society does not want the red pill to be known by other people. They want to support the blue pill illusion. There's nothing wrong with being red pill or blue pill. They are just two beliefs. What can go wrong is society or a person's reaction to blue or red pill. For example, some societies punish adultery by death sentence. You may consider adultery bad, another person may even consider adultery good (such as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:45 PM
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dude was rich and he wasn't ugly. he could have gotten some girl to date him, except mental illness was his real problem. it didn't matter what he believed or supported, because he had schizophrenia or some other disorder. this is how basically all incel killers are: they're not that ugly. they're just insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 04:12 AM
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male sexism and blue pill are very closely related. blue pill can only exist if men gaslight women into believing that lust is sinful and not normal. and men can only gaslight women if men have much more power than women. the red pill can only be truly shocking if there is some illusion that was so powerful that it made you ignore reality. That illusion is blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 11:28 PM
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there's no one correct way. zen buddhism is one path. probably the most direct path.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 10:24 PM
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you have to change your perspective, and your philosophy. you have to destroy your own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 09:53 PM
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You have to find the type of person who's similar to you not necessarily. you could be more open minded. you can be open to the idea of falling in love with a prostitute. this is what the greatest works of art teach us.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 09:35 PM
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if you believe that height plays an important role in dating, then you are red pilled to some extent. it doesn't matter what your own preferences are. if you believe that other people in general consider height important, then you are red pilled to some extent. it really is that simple, but people can't help but be tribal about it. like republicans and democrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 08:19 PM
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it is very difficult to understand that women's opinions didn't matter. it is a paradigm shift. Although some societies are still like that. societies with feminism can't really understand the point of view of people that are doing female circumcision. we think it's crazy. they think it's normal. The core idea of red pill is related to illusion/truth. To sum up, a woman can say "Height doesn't matter at all. Only personality matters." That IS illusion. whereas truth is "Height plays an important…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 01:27 AM
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religion is a tool that supports the illusion of a blue pill world. blue pill needs to be propped up, that is why it is an illusion, not actual truth. blue pill needs slut shaming and calling lust and premarital sex a sin. Women are influenced by those things and it decreases casual sex, increases marriage, etc. Those things help support the idea that blue pill is the default biological state of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 01:16 AM
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the politics don't matter. the blue pill in relation to dating is simply that women care about personality far above looks. the blue pill world is the tools used to prop up and support this illusion. the red pill is that women can experience sexual pleasure and care about things like height a lot more than most people think. red pillers can be liberal or conservative. for example, feminists are red pilled and many republican men are red pilled. If you are red pilled you may desire to go back to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/21 01:06 AM
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so we've been living in a red pill world for thousands of years and suddenly someone just discovered Blue Pill and it just started spreading recently?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 11:54 PM
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i think most of the western world leans blue pill. many men still nope out of a relationship if the woman has a child. a lot of the western world is still religious. Many women still believe in "The one." Most people still consider being a slut a very bad thing. Our society is still hanging on to many illusions that are propping up blue pill. however, there is still a lot of red pill acknowledgement and acceptance. divorce is no longer scandalous. premarital sex is common, etc. maybe we're at a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 10:21 PM
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it is complicated because education is not really about a pill. so opinions will vary. but in general, the way things used to be was because of blue pill. that includes getting married young, premarital sex being a sin, but also is related to: women are housewives, women don't go to college, etc. the way things are now is because red pill is generally accepted by society: women are free to do what they want. and that includes casual sex but for the same reasons it includes education. You are a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:52 PM
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the entire world was about getting married young. That's actually more closely aligned with how Blue Pill is. Blue pill is True Love and soulmates, get married and it lasts forever. divorce was scandalous. premarital sex was sinful. This is all Blue Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:38 PM
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i agree. except i don't call it a damaging ideology. I call it a damaging set of facts and statistics collected by PhD researchers and presented in scientific journals.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:28 PM
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it's not possible to objectively treat everyone the same way from the same starting point. it's just human nature. we all have biases and discriminate and treat people differently. it is subconscious. you actually need a chromosomal disorder in order to be significantly more objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:24 PM
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i would say they also lacked a proper role model period. not a masculine one, specifically, but even a mom that could give them a philosophy. Or even just a ride to boyscouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:09 PM
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red pill is separate from dating strategy. red pills are facts and research and statistics. you can google those papers written by PhD's. dating strategy is a product that is sold because that's what people want and click on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 07:03 PM
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i thought exactly the same thing. but people gave enough examples. on some of those, i have to agree, though it is a little subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 05:05 AM
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4 to 9 or 10 is not that uncommon. it happens when you have a blobby featureless face with no prominent features.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:13 AM
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those guys are often correct. I thought they were trolls or trying hard to win an argument. Then they actually go link a no makeup photo of specific model/actress/celebrity. And guess what? Those guys, sometimes, are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 03:11 AM
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whether someone is fooled or not is irrelevant. the discussion is why are people trying to improve their looks. even slightly. and a large part of the answer is because of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 02:10 AM
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spanx had a value of $1.2 billion. the only reason i say the "majority" of people may not obsess over looks is the same reason why i don't use averages to make arguments: Because the averages include obese people. you can simplify the argument and assume those people don't wear make up. But you and I know that many obese people DO in fact, wear make up and care about their looks. fat people wear spanx too. There's no "joke." this simply is reality. It's very acceptable now and normal to work on …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/21 12:18 AM
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rhino, lipo, spanx, make up, fillers, implants... nothing is wrong with it. men have the same shit, hair transplant, etc. but there is really only one conclusion. maybe it doesn't apply to "most" but it applies to many, many people. the conclusion is that we're all trying to fool each other into thinking we are hotter than what our genes have given us. The reason we are doing all of this shit is not so that we can attract the person who would be most attracted to us if we didn't do all of this s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 11:33 PM
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it's just a general reply for these types of comments. women generally often wear make up. that's not a problem. but there's a reason why it's not uncommon for women to put on make up and go to bars or clubs. and the reason she puts make up on is probably not to hook up with her looksmatch who finds her attractive when she has her make up off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 08:32 PM
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Then don't make up fraud. Walk around with zero make up on at all times. That way, you only meet men that find you hot the way you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 07:58 PM
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when you are in a group talking, women tend to be red pilled. they don't talk about personalities. they talk about who's hot. there have been multiple times when there are no short guys around and women in a group talk about height. it sounds like a red pill forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 07:10 PM
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nobody is really arguing that all relationships are dead bedrooms. everyone here already agrees that there are relationships where the couples are having sex daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 06:00 PM
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red pill isn't necessarily tips on how to attract women. it is just one belief system on how women act and why they act that way. but generally, most men want above average women, and they are obsessed with that. so they simply never really care that much about below average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 04:51 PM
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disagree. it's a straw man. everyone knows that some couples are having sex daily for years. and if the woman in that couple cheats twice over a decade, had sex two times casually but 3650 times within a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 06:33 AM
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i have several points. one is that you're red pill to a certain degree. my other point is that this post is the wrong discussion, it is basically not an argument that is put forth by any red pilled person. my other point is that averages don't really interest red pillers and are often irrelevant. both total population averages, and average attractiveness. so in an argument you're saying the average girl has x partners. that's not relevant. a much more relevant statistic would be: the average 7/1…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 05:44 AM
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Most women have sex when they are in relationships. yeah, and that's the straw man. nobody is disagreeing with that. nobody ever argued that the amount of casual sex far exceeds that of relationship sex. there's just a lot of things that change when you take "average" into account. such as the mere fact that most people in the world are conservative, blue pilled, and religious. or even, at least in america, the fact that a huge percentage of the population is overweight or obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 05:27 AM
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I am really picky about who I sleep with personally that's basically what red pill believes. that women are really picky. this question itself is sort of straw man. everyone already knows that committed partners on average have more sex. on top of that, unfortunately, red pill people don't really care for what average and below average women's experiences are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/21 05:05 AM
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with immortality, you'll still be around after everything ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/21 11:47 PM
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if you went back in time and killed a mosquito, nobody alive today would be born.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 10:51 PM
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your influence on the world is also luck, unfortunately. like what book becomes a classic? Part of that is luck. Van gogh can easily be undiscovered and nobody might know of him. There are famous concert violinists that go play in the subway, and nobody gives a shit. There are probably thousands of people who play cello at the greatest level. Yet only a handful are famous and making millions of dollars, like Yo yo ma, whose works will be recorded and played by someone hundreds of years from now.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 07:54 PM
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maybe it's time to accept you exaggerate your value on the sexual marketplace. ​ If you can't find a good woman online, you're a below average male and it's a tough pill to swallow that's actually a tough pill for WOMEN to swallow. Because the conclusion is that the men who fraud and manipulate the most are the most successful. the most brutal pill in small town online dating was a woman i worked with talking about how she met a guy in real life that she ignored on an online dating platform and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 07:41 PM
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It is way healthier than this: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ just let women fuck. just get the fuck over it. marry them later in life, love them, support them, forgive them, divorce them if you become incompatible. get over this dumb idea of purity that is propped up by blue pill illusion, that the producer of porn is filthy but somehow, the consumer of porn is not. go fall in love with a prostitute. transcend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 03:11 AM
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sounds like you're blue pill. the illusion is still up there, and you're obsessing over it. the illusion has to crash down for you to truly be red pill. You have to be open to falling in love with a prostitute to truly consider yourself red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 12:59 AM
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why can't you fall in love? because you can't think of women as pure anymore? Or you are fully aware that it is possible that a woman will find another man hot? If that's the case, you're still blue pilled. you're obsessed with purity and the old illusion. you're the guy that wants to go back in the matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 10:30 PM
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The real issue is that college is a scam. anyone can learn anything on the job. even medicine or law. you can learn any undergraduate topic online or at a library. even if college wasn't a scam, why would failing to enter college be an issue then? The issue would still be different: it would be the fact that it is very difficult to get back into college 5 years later when you are mature and you desire an education. colleges are like churches. modernization is making them irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 09:10 PM
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it is really a waste of money for everyone involved. except for the fact that some jobs simply require certain degrees. everything in an undergrad curriculum can be learned from your local library or youtube or google. All undergrad knowledge is basic and fundamental and mostly really old and established.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 08:13 PM
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even stem degrees should be like that. these kids are in 100+ student lecture halls and most of them barely speak to their professor. the entire learning process is reading the book and using youtube for better explanations than your professor. the average stem kid is just learning from reading shit and googling shit. this is why there are so many articles on how college is dead. the internet just made it completely irrelevant. but the reality is that even before the internet, you can drive to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 08:11 PM
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But women who got raped aren't sluts. that's my point. society considered these women sluts. even today this mentality exists and holds in America. being raped is extremely shameful, men break up with rape victims. this is how strong the blue pill illusion is. it really does subconsciously influence almost everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 07:04 PM
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getting raped by a married man was cheating, and in some places, it still is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 06:25 PM
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they're not red pill men if they are obsessed with purity. they're calling themselves red pill, but if they are obsessed with purity they are actually blue pill. just like in the matrix, blue pill is Illusion. Red pill is Truth. Blue pill is the artificially built up illusion that purity is somehow really really important. It is very much related to the idea that "normal" women don't experience sexual pleasure and "normal" women are interested in personality. The illusion is that "lust is a sin"…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 06:17 PM
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because i agree men are primary slut shamers. this is because throughout history, men had power. women did not have power. Even if women slut shamed, it would not matter that much, because a woman's opinion was not important to men or considered. even the word slut is an insult from a man's perspective. a slut from her own perspective is experiencing pleasure from having sex and maybe simply having an awesome time. From the man's perspective, there is a thing that is being used up, the woman's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 03:19 AM
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slut shaming. it is social pressure to keep women from having too much sex... it is an obsession with purity, that the norm is that women don't experience sexual pleasure. That lust is sinful. the blue pill must be the exact opposite of the red pill. And the red pill is simply that women experience sexual pleasure and that this is biological and that there is nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 02:40 AM
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and this is blue pill in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 02:32 AM
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you could say it is preemptive slut shaming. they're calling premarital sex a sin. or they are saying lust is a sin. These guys back in the day were stoning women for adultery. That's far, far worse than slut shaming. Man, there were women that would have loved modern slut shaming. Instead they were murdered.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 02:22 AM
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They do have milestones. it's just RIDICULOUSLY DIFFICULT to achieve them. Once you leave academia, for example, and you're poor. Once you have kids. Etc. It's hard to get back on track. but SOME walmart guys are smart. There are thousands of people working at walmart. Some of those guys are smarter than anyone here commenting. That's just plain statistics. And of those few, many will be stuck at walmart type jobs until the end of their life. Unfortunately, that's not just walmart. That's most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/21 01:27 AM
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Guys can put a bag over the head and focus on a part, women don't. that's exactly what a "mask crush" is. There is a cloth over a man and women are able to focus on everything else and develop a "crush." When the mask comes off, and they don't like what they see, that's when the crush ends. men and women are the same. average body with hot face is more arousing than the same exact body with an average face. the difference is in the sex drive and lower standards that men accept because of less bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 05:35 PM
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exactly. i've posted this quite a lot: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ and it really debunks these claims that women feel satisfaction from connections. and this is anecdotal, but a lot of women are talking about mask crushes, and then disappointed when the face doesn't live up to what they had built in their imaginations. this is... a lot like men. these are a few facial features that we're talking about here that can make someone attractive or not attractive. this is not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 04:56 PM
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also the lowest 30% maybe doesn't match up directly to 0-3. maybe most of those people are still 4 or 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 03:59 PM
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badly worded. if you're a 3 you should go for 2 to 4, or you can also try to get rich, be talented, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 06:34 AM
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only if you want 7's and above, like many here do. this itself is influenced by porn. only the bolted on tits do it for you. if you have an awakening, maybe you realize you just had bad taste all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 06:29 AM
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because kindness is a gene too. and, arguably, those types of genes are much better qualities for the world and the future. both selfishness and selflessness are about survival. greed and teamwork are both different survival strategies that work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 06:27 AM
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make up is clout. you walk around and people look at you and think "she's hot." Like other girls' husbands are looking at you. That's super clout. almost every man is on porn at some point in his life, often for nearly his entire life. not every woman is on social media even. But nearly every woman is on make up or was on make up at some point, again, often for nearly her entire life up to 70+.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 09:44 PM
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that's why girls are so insecure. yet they are addicted to this power. can you blame them? imagine some men put on lifts and make up and spanx that make his dick look bigger, hair extensions, and shoulder pads. they go from a 4 to a 9 and fuck 9's and 10's. that would be a drug that I could never quit. It would always be there. when you're single, dating, married, young, old. in some way, that's the female porn. makeup, clothes, surgery, etc. it's the thing that most women can't quit. just like …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/21 09:24 PM
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you don't. and you don't need to get married or have children to feel fulfilled. You can live an excellent life without a single romantic partner. But at the same time, I believe you'll have regrets if you don't at least try. And at that age, your 30's go by a lot faster than your 20's. this is the same advice given to men on this forum. Go to the gym, get hobbies, work on your career, be more active, etc. It should be the same advice that women get. Any other advice is Mediocre.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 10:12 PM
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there's so many studies out there, you can probably find anything, pro or anti some general statement. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2005-03302-004 i'm saying attractive people have higher n-counts on average. and you're saying that higher n-counts leads to more likely infidelity. so now we have an indirect connection between attractiveness and infidelity. you see how there can be thousands of different variables involved? there's no proof of anything yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 10:01 PM
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look at the words, like "associated" "correlated" etc. even something like childhood trauma might cause promiscuity, but it also might separately cause infidelity. same with drugs, etc. promiscuity does not directly cause infidelity, the two are related. but at the same time, like i mention, being a super hot person is also most certainly correlated with infidelity. so if you marry a virgin that's extremely attractive, they are more likely to cheat on you than if you marry an average person with…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 09:36 PM
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that can be explained by a women's value to other men declining after a certain age. it's just much harder for a woman to meet another man after a certain point compared to a man with a decent job to meet another younger woman. also, men in that situation are probably more often still the breadwinners and have things like pensions and life insurance and they still own homes, etc. in other words, average men and average women are shit. just like average intelligence is kind of shit, the average p…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 09:22 PM
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if you don't know correlation/causation, youtube it. or you're just outing yourself as someone with little statistics knowledge. Even scientists make this mistake because there are many scientists with very little statistics training. there's no proof that one causes the other. it seems natural to think this, but something else can easily be going on. both n count and infidelity are related to attractiveness. The more attractive you are, will, on average, lead to higher counts and higher infidel…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 09:02 PM
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just compare the subscriber numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 08:24 PM
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r/deadbedrooms. i don't think it is most women. but it is absolutely a real thing though and it's not that uncommon, even today.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 07:55 PM
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no, but it's much easier to abstain when you're super comfortable with being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 07:19 PM
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a lot of them are definitely about physical attraction. literally one of them talks about meeting the gaze of a handsome stranger and being turned on. Women's attraction is heavily influenced by how she feels about you personally. A stud can be revolting if you know him and a meh could be hot as hell. I agree. And if you actually read the comments, you would see that many of these commenters feel their husbands are awesome people in general, with great personalities, caring, supportive, etc. Man…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 07:11 PM
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discipline is having sex. Not having sex, if you're an introverted person that is just super comfortable not being in a relationship, is super easy. You get into a routine and 10 years go by. It is more common than people believe. what this person needs to do is be far more active, like do a speed dating thing or something. get exercise or a makeover if that helps. They actually need way more discipline to meet more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:56 PM
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Read the comments. It is the WOMEN that are mostly commenting at the bottom of that post. The WOMEN are obsessed with finding men attractive physically. Why? Because they're much older and care less for society's rules. Their minds are more open to divorcing and finding a handsome man to fuck. It sounds crude, but read the comments on that blog, that's how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:26 PM
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Those studies don't say that. They say there is a correlation. It does not say one causes the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:24 PM
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some of them don't find their husbands attractive either. https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 06:00 AM
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incompatibilities, like having always thought your husband was disgusting: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ this is why premarital sex should be important.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 05:50 AM
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it isn't proven yet. there is simply a correlation. this can actually be explained by two relationships: attractive people simply have more partners on average. attractive people simply have more opportunities to leave relationships for another partner later on in life. so it is merely attractive vs less attractive people. if you have a very attractive person with low n-count, they still have more opportunities to leave you later in life, because they are confident that they can attract someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/21 05:46 AM
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it could partly be, because some women have crazy pressure to settle down. they have less time. they play a much more passive role in courtship. their strategy is going to be different. that's why it is more common for women to settle, it is more common to advise a girl that the guy is nice and they will EVENTUALLY fall in love with him. Women have way more complicated checklists for men. It is also probably way more important for a women to not get a divorce and do it right the first time. More…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/21 06:55 PM
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1% in a town of 10,000 males is 100. every small city with 10,000 adult men has 100 guys walking around over 6'7" if your numbers are correct. you can go with 5'5" and 6'3" if you want more "normal" heights that still show that there is difference. these are both normal heights, yet the difference is big. the point of the comment above was that "size doesn't matter". but if you start excluding more and more sizes that you consider "abnormal" then the comment is simply not as relevant. we're back…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 08:23 PM
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think about it: a 5'3" guy isn't abnormal. neither is a 6'7" guy. both these heights can be produced by a life of good nutrition and exercise and good genetics with no medical conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 06:31 PM
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.5 inch? the horror stories from OLD suggest there are guys rounding up 4 inches or more. i would not doubt that there's a guy that measures 4.5 inches convincing himself that he has an 8 inch dick and walks around proudly because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 06:10 PM
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unlikely, but not uncommon. also, consider that it is a huge social stigma. men who have this problem may not want to get measured by a researcher if they are small, which makes the studies biased. the same way there is bias when you call people for voting surveys since many younger people don't have a landline.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/21 06:05 PM
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Women's chastity was not ment to "control women's sexuality". It was ment to prevent women to be left out in case they were not able to concieve after they had been "deflowered". So if you were a man back then and got a woman pregnant, she was YOUR responsability from that moment on. And if you got married to a woman who later found out was infertile, you still had to stay with that woman and look after her. that can definitely be part of what marriage is. Still, we live in a world where death s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 10:56 PM
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from another perspective, men and women view it the same: They both are generally blue pill and believe that women with more experience than men is slutty. There is some compatibility here. Men date younger, less experienced, women date older, more experienced. Both women and men have been influenced to believe that purity is a good quality. in a christian influenced society, many men and women just have negative attitudes toward any sex. this influence also does affect non-christians living in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 08:22 PM
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in general: male doctors already marry female nurses. female doctors don't marry male nurses. in terms of salary, status, occupation, men already date down significantly. that's why you've heard of men frequent a restaurant, marry a waitress. women don't frequent grocery stores and marry cashiers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 07:40 PM
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blue pill men have too much faith in love. red pill men have too much faith in biology. the reason you have not seen it before is because people aren't honest with themselves. they also don't think about it. for example, i believe red pillers who are absolutely obsessed with purity are still blue pillers. purity is simply connected in culture to true love, waiting for your soulmate, marriage, plus life long commitment. if you're really red pill, you could believe all of the above are artificial …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 06:43 PM
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i can agree with that. and my thinking is influenced subconsciously by how normalized male circumcision is. many of these things are completely bizarre but we've come to accept them as normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 06:15 PM
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These are simple facts and definitions. most societies simply have been living with religious brainwashing people to believe that lust is a sin. Even premarital sex is considered sinful. societies have covered women head to toe. they have used feet binding on women. divorce has been much more scandalous in the past. Both men and women have been slut shaming for decades. Men created marriages which last forever except for annulment by authority. Marriage is an artificial invention. Female circumc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 05:50 PM
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no, i'm red pill, i believe women experience sexual pleasure. i believe it when scientists say height is an important factor for attraction. these are all red pill beliefs. the entire world is blue pill and is obsessed with purity. that's where it comes from. we have religions which calls lust a sin. that itself is blue pill. Covering a woman's body head to toe is blue pill. disney movies are blue pill. the idea of soulmates is blue pill. slut-shaming is blue pill social pressure to keep women i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:43 AM
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blue pill is a slur because in The Matrix, the blue pill is for the losers, the sheep. The gifted people can escape the blue pill and go to the real world. There is also one loser guy that wants to go BACK to the matrix and makes a deal with Agent Smith. It is just common to call it blue pill, and fine because what else are you going to call it? but the connection to the matrix is that if you call yourself blue pill, you are saying you believe in The Illusion and you reject the Truth, or you hat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:35 AM
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slut shaming is blue pill. a good girl is interested in personality and not sex is blue pill. if people claim they are red pill and obsessed with purity, they have a foot in blue pill land. slut-shaming, religion, calling lust a sin, all of that shit is blue pill. slut-shaming is social influence that is so strong that women become blue pilled because they don't want to be labelled as sluts. notice that in blue pill land, a woman already with children in a previous marriage has more baggage than…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:25 AM
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i said it here. i'm red pill. I'm open to the possibility of falling in love with a prostitute. it is actually blue pill that is obsessed with purity. You may claim you are red pill, but if you are obsessed with purity, then you still have a foot in blue pill land.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/21 01:12 AM
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Why put on make up to go from a 4 to an 8? Why have a society where nearly every woman of a certain age is using make up instead of being secure with the way she looks? Why not have just 75% of young women just say no to make up and go without it? i'm not saying elevator shoes are a good idea. I'm saying the difference in how you are treated is going to be very noticeable. But also, this is probably true for people in a specific range.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:37 PM
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i believe it. and i think men frauding height is worse than women frauding anything. and this is due to biological difference. women simply are way more selective in choosing mates. if you trick a man by putting on a shit ton of make up and fuck him, it just doesn't matter. he still had a good time probably. but if a girl dates a guy, she sleeps with him, and wakes up and she notices then the guy is 4 inches shorter, I can fully empathize and understand why she would be angry about that, and in …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:24 PM
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air max is not a 10,000% ROI. for a specific height range, maybe 5'6 to 5'9, elevator shoes will get you over those magic numbers that many women consider minimum requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 08:11 PM
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unrealistic https://www.reddit.com/r/Advice/comments/7xk4ne/too_scared_for_boyfriend_to_see_me_without_makeup/ it's so common. google it and tons of results come up. Why would it not be common? The more you fraud, the crazier it is. Women can fool hot guys into thinking they are hot. It is pretty much GUARANTEED that many women are going to obsess about what happens when the make up comes off. And, sadly, if the guy is a 9 and you're a 4 when the makeup comes off, the relationship is most likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 07:37 PM
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i'm not fully convinced. make up is all kinds of colors and those colors aren't realistic, such as bright red lipstick. the more you fraud, the more easily it is noticeable. i can see how you can go from like 6.5 to 8 with makeup that passes unnoticed by people who are not looking directly at your face. when the before after pics of 4 men becoming an 8 come out, and they share their stories about fucking hot women and never taking their make up off in front of them for 3 years, that's when I'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 07:01 PM
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4 to 8 for women. 4 to 8 for men? The problem might really be a man with make up simply is getting laughed at unless he's some goth or something very niche. And if he's just using something basic to cover up a blemish, like they do on TV interviews, then he won't go from 4 to 8. he'll go from like a 5 to a 5.3.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 06:38 PM
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men can look better with make up. i can agree with that. lighting and angles can significantly change how a person looks. people can also just have bloat and look much worse than their average day. so a paparazzi photo can look particularly bad. but are you really claiming that men and women are equal in terms of make up ROI?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 05:57 PM
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source is those reddit photos of celebs without makeup. A recent one was a famous actress that everyone thought was like a 9 or 10. Someone claimed she was below average and linked a photo. The photo was not what I would personally consider below average, but it was definitely a few points drop from a 9 or 10. i think everyone has seen those types of pics before. make up that can take a person from a 4 to 8 easily. the idea is insane. think about if a man could spend 30 minutes putting make up o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 05:50 PM
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elevator shoes. i recently read a post where women said it was rape if you wear elevator shoes and they were upvoted a lot. imagine that you sleep with a guy and find out he wears elevator shoes making him 3 inches taller than he is. That's how important 3 inches are. If you fraud it, some girl out there is calling it rape. a 5'7" guy with elevator shoes, I am claiming the ROI is 10,000%. This is why some men do limb lengthening. They most likely have tried elevator shoes and have experienced th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 05:47 PM
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that's not a red pill ideal. the red pill is simply the fact that high body count has a greater chance of "failing". two things: what you do with that information is up to you. you can be afraid of a woman's sexual desires, or you can transcend and become open to falling in love with a prostitute. men's egos are fragile. a grandma can crush a man's ego by driving too slow in front of him on the highway. "failed" marriage or "failed" relationship is defined as breaking up or divorce. However, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 01:56 AM
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both have been bad for women. divorce was scandalous in the past. divorced women most definitely lost social status and even good friends because they divorced. divorced women were also a threat to seduce other women's husbands. pump and dump means some people will consider you a slut if they ever find out. red pill says pump and dump is fine for women, because it often does mean they got sex with someone more attractive, which itself is a biological goal that women have. for example, most men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 10:22 PM
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it is not uncommon and it IS a huge secret for many. read the comments. husbands are shocked their wife never found them attractive for the past 20 years. women are shocked that so many other women feel the exact same thing. something another person mentioned in another post, "Close your eyes and think of England." It is advice given to woman who don't want to have sex with their husband. How does this happen? The primary factor is probably that many women feel insane pressure to settle down, ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 09:55 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ still not uncommon for women to marry and have kids with a man that they never felt physically attracted to. And some women simply found their husbands physically repulsive SINCE THE BEGINNING. hormones isn't the only thing. female sexuality is just so complex that women do not understand it yet. Either that or it is repressed and the pressure to settle is extreme and a man will never understand that pressure. something is going on, and nobody …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 08:09 PM
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https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ read the comments in the above link. women do this all the time. there are reasons. one is friendship/companionship, loneliness, etc. another reason is that your feelings can and sometimes they do change. but notice the op doesn't say "hideous." He says "not THAT attractive" which I assume means she's kinda attractive, but might have a couple flaws, such as weight, that are a problem for him. To me, that is completely acceptable to try a few da…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 06:43 PM
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i think this guy i linked already would have desired to settle down with this person, and she could close her eyes and think of england. i think a lot of guys who have no options in the modern dating world would love to go back and settle at age 18. free love is correlated with the increase in power and independence that women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/21 04:12 AM
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it's way more common than you think: https://www.refinedprose.com/not-attracted-husband/ it should be obvious if people think it through. women have weaker sex drive. statistically they already find way fewer men attractive physically. men pursue who they desire. women play a much more passive role. women also feel much greater pressure to settle down before a specific age. the pressure is social pressure from family/friends, but also biological pressure. high testosterone for men helps getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 09:01 PM
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i'm saying presence is just more physical traits that are above average. voice, height, posture, how a person moves, etc. of course there is still lots of subjectivity involved when it comes to personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:40 PM
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have to disagree. guys that look unconventional can look either good or bad. you're talking about unconventional looks that are still AESTHETICALLY interesting. You completely ignore unconventional looks that are NOT aesthetically/holistically coming together well. not only does someone like cumberbatch look good overall, at some angles, it's not even unconventional looking, but just straight up a good looking face. presence is when you hear his voice and it sounds very attractive too. and then …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 08:09 PM
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that's nonsense. people get married to non-rich men that they do not like physically. you can even google this. https://www.insider.com/never-sexually-attracted-to-longterm-partner-what-do-i-do-2020-2
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:33 PM
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that's betas being disgusted with their only options. being beta now isn't better than being beta back then. life after the sexual revolution is even more beta for betas. For example: marriage is put on hold more often. Instead of a girl getting married at 15 or 20 a girl is often getting married at 33 or 37.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:09 PM
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i don't disagree that there are problems in japan, just like there are problems in the usa, such as 60% of degrees going to women. i'm saying STILL people who want to date all seem to be getting dates. And women are STILL women, which means the effort is still much lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 05:50 PM
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i'm sort of a japanophile. tried once unsuccessfully to learn the language on youtube... watched a lot of youtube japanophiles with life in japan videos, etc. If the vlogger is female, they have japanese partners. over time, a good number marry a japanese citizen and many become citizens themselves. some of those channels are famous. i have a very hard time believing dating will be bad on average for white girls in japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 07:40 AM
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Close your eyes and think of England this really is such a key phrase. it tells us so much. It even completely buries your argument, in my opinion. can you really not see that this is a win for men? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-1oixpSShs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 06:15 AM
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i don't know, maybe you can interpret it like that or you can consider it some similar concept. it does sound more "nice guy", which many guys consider a weak, failed strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 04:07 AM
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i'm talking about sexual pleasure solely. simp is like sugar daddies for poor people, you get porno instead of real sex. i don't think that is necessarily good or bad according to red pill. it's just a strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 03:37 AM
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depends which laws we're talking about. but there is a demand that comes from a large group of average men. The average man's desires were very influential. Maybe average man is the wrong term there too, because I'm not considering slaves or people living in poverty that nobody cared for. blue pill strongly benefits average man. a 6 man could get an 8 wife and they could never divorce. it was forever and they fucked regularly. average man has overthrown governments, and today it is very clear th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/21 12:14 AM
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this is precisely what men want because this is the world that average men built. Average men created adultery laws, they created female circumcision, they created slut shaming, they created the idea that divorce was scandalous. Average men created "til death do us part." average men created "lust is a sin." and many of these concepts spread across many nations. Average men want it so bad that they manufactured this illusion and refined it over and over for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:55 PM
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i'm saying, just statistically, men here acknowledge women enjoy sex, which is a necessary belief to hold in order to even start caring about whether or not women enjoy sex. outside, since they are by default blue pill, the percentage of men who even hold that first necessary belief is much smaller. and no, just reading comments, men here do care about pleasing women, because they want that relationship to last, even if the reason is only to continue having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:50 PM
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i would argue people on this sub are obsessed with what women enjoy. And acknowledging that women can enjoy sex is the first step to caring about whether women enjoy sex. by percentage, more men here will care about whether women enjoy sex than outside in the blue pill world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:34 PM
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It sucked for men in that they had to have sex with someone completely not into it. An unenthusuatic partner is a boner crusher and an ego crusher. it doesn't even suck for men now who are married and have that kind of partner. His wife isn't like that. His wife loves personality and doesn't enjoy sex. That is the blue pill illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 11:22 PM
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disagree. an average man got their looks match and could demand sex from their wife and that would be normal. the reason for female circumcision, covering women head to toe, feet binding, slut shaming, making adultery punishable by death, etc. that is so women don't fuck OTHER men. 'Close your eyes and think of England' is a pretty common phrase society told women to do. it's because women are disgusted by their partner. and to this day, many relationships are like this. the lights are turned of…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 10:29 PM
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I then proposed coffee (tea) and cake, which she refused. that's bullshit. at this point, neither knows what each other looks like or even if each other exists. this is why most people want it to be coffee/tea. because you could sit down for an entire meal when you know in the first second of seeing each other how frauded your profile and pics were. and almost everyone has some level of fraud in their profile, both men and women. if she refuses free coffee and insists on a free meal, then she is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 09:37 PM
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even with that link, a woman with 50+ partners isn't a unicorn. it's 2%, and it is possibly underreported. 50+ is not abnormal because 2% have that many partners. just glancing at the link, it includes 18 year olds and 60 year olds. no breakdown of the demographics. that's several generations, all with different attitudes toward sex that are included. i assume it also includes people of all different attractiveness levels, and that too will play a role.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 08:42 PM
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are those not self-reported numbers? there are also studies of how other studies are inaccurate due to self-reporting and people lying, people lie to themselves too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 08:25 PM
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you have a higher count if women are telling the truth in self reported surveys. but if you had the real numbers magically appear above everyone's heads, i would bet that your number just isn't that high. at above 30 years old, the counts people are worried about is like 50+. i'm someone who claims that they are not bothered by high counts. I'm open to dating prostitutes. But even so, if someone told me 125, I would be lying if I said it would not bother me. I do believe there is a number betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 08:12 PM
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most of the world is religious and takes it very seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:34 AM
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red pill has no strategy. if you poll red pillers though, they are pessimistic. However, I claim that their pessimism is merely lingering attachment to Blue Pill. For example, many are still obsessed with purity. Purity is an illusion created by Blue Pill. if you're rational enough, the illusion is fake. and what is fake should be unimportant to you. However, a lot of red pill guys are like the guy that is making a deal with Agent Smith wanting to go back into the Matrix and be a rich celebrity …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 06:27 AM
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baggage is blue pill obsession with purity. it can only be sustained if men view women as asexual beings that really only focus on personality. if that is true, then baggage must be abnormal. women who enjoy sex are abnormal. a "normal" woman is way purer, and has less baggage. a man with baggage isn't a surprise. there's no illusion that men are pure. they're all filthy. That's why men addictively consume porn and are cool with it, but they're not cool with women who produce porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 03:12 AM
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what if he's not getting laid? That STILL has nothing to do with whether the studies are accurate or not. same thing with him being fucked up? If he's fucked up and that's the real reason he's not getting laid, that STILL has nothing to do with the studies that are being produced by PhD researchers in sociology and psychology departments all across the world. The source of all these studies is literally taxpayer funded research by professional scientists! It exists because people find the topics…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/21 02:19 AM
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many of those types of bodybuilders actually know that it is less attractive to women. some might have body image problems, but a lot of them, it's just a hobby. they get enjoyment out of it, and it is a challenge. it's not unlike someone trying to get better at chess and buying books about chess strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:42 PM
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No but sharing your food, raising the kids and protecting the family did exist. still far from the life long legal pact of marriage. these aren't exactly the hardest resources to get for a women that is still part of some tribe. tribes take care of each other. that's another driving social evolutionary force: even elders are taken care of in tribes. the tribe raises children whose parents died. whereas more recently, you have laws that prevent women from driving or owning land or shit like that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:33 PM
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i don't know. some of that has to do with just being very attractive and always having more options. that alone will explain some correlation. to evolve to form a different reaction to say 7 vs 21 partners, I don't believe that would happen. although there is statistical difference. humans didn't evolve in a land with laws that said women couldn't own property and marriage was forever. humans evolved in a land when they could switch partners whenever they feel like it, and in a land where the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 11:18 PM
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paternity uncertainty and the connection with disgust needs to evolve biologically. money was not present hundreds of thousands of years ago for there to be any investment. Land ownership did not exist back then. Property did not really exist either. We're talking about evolving hundreds of thousands of years ago, when your property was like a spear you made out of a stick. the connection is not clear at all. I can admit that it might be possible, but the connection simply isn't clear right now.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 10:44 PM
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No, they just saw her being passed around and lost any desire to invest in her. but you're saying this disgust is natural and had to evolve. evolution doesn't really happen in 5,000 years. it happens in 200,000 years or more. but if you fuck more sluts, you pass down your genes more often, that's just how it is. all of this shit like religion and slut-shaming is very recent. purity and virginity are concepts that had to be invented by someone. I understand why the disgust exists. I understand wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 08:45 PM
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i don't know man, small tribe of people tens of thousands of years ago? Not even knowing how women get pregnant? You know tribes in Tahiti and shit? They just fuck and eat fruits all day and lie in the sun. That's just how it is. there's a reason why religion is telling you that lust is a sin. Because without someone creating that artificial world for you, the "norm" is a lot of fucking. Only the idea that women want to fuck is what is inarguably natural. so tens of thousands of years ago, the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 08:01 PM
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In nature they just killed them without much fanfare. It's natural. we're just arguing definition. i feel like tens of thousands of years ago, people just fucked and had normal levels of jealousy. it took all this obsession and laws and religion defining lust as a sin, etc. to "normalize" it. the actual solution for me is to accept that women also experience sexual pleasure, and even forgive my partner if she fucks up every once in a while. for me, i accept biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:32 PM
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i meant that the specific idea of using statistics to make decisions isn't a gut reaction. it's just reasoning because you have to come across the stats in the first place, and you have to decide that they will be influential to your strategy. being influenced by those statistics is not problematic for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 07:05 PM
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it still happens. killing is part of the methods we use. i just mentioned it. societies have death sentence for adultery to this day and young women who are a victim of rape by a married man get executed under law. at this point, it is written into the law, i think we can call it an artificial construct. do you know what sounds better? Just get a fuckin' DNA test every time a baby pops out. It is 100% guarantee. This is the greatest time in history for paternity guarantee. I've said this before …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:52 PM
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it would, but i would say that's not innate or disgust. that's statistical reasoning that can only exist when someone collects that data.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:43 PM
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well, what makes it unnatural and artificial is the methods we use to control women, such as covering them up head to toe. some jealousy is natural. the artificial comes from these crazy practices of society. underage victim of rape by a married man is executed under law of adultery. the more we build on top of this fantasy and obsession with purity, the crazier and more artificial these things get, because the fantasy is normalized, it all seems normal to the people practicing these methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:14 PM
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why does it happen? Because men are fuckin' evil pieces of shit? My take on this is that at older ages, men simply have more power/value in the relationship, often for the first time in his entire life. At that point in his life, men may simply be deciding to leave relationships more than women are leaving relationships... not necessarily because of illness, but simply because more men are leaving relationships in total. total conjecture. in the same sense, average women simply have more power/v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 06:02 PM
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i argue that it's not natural. it is blue pill. it is the obsession with purity and virgins. it is a strange fear of women's sexuality and the delusion that women don't experience pleasure. it is obsession with control and objectification of women. It is slut-shaming society. it is the idea that lust is a sin. it is covering a woman up from head to toe. this is artificial and unnatural. jealousy might be normal. this level of obsession is not normal and caused by massive power imbalance througho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 05:24 PM
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all of that, you're ending up with far better than top 20%. because you keep cutting out pieces of the pie. you cut out everyone under 6'. you cut out everyone under $50k salary. etc. You're left with a slim piece of the pie because cutting out everyone under 6' left you with 15% of the pie. then under average salary among say is roughly 50% again of that group, which is 7.5%. Cut out another 50% based on face, you are left with 3.75%. cut out 50% based on body, you have 1.875% men left that mat…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/21 04:11 AM
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most societies were created by average man. average man invented monogamy, marriage, slut-shaming, covering women from head to toe, death sentence for adultery, etc. average man created the illusion that women don't experience sexual pleasure. if polygamy is legal somewhere, that's not going to be a good place that understands fairness or equality between men and women. and even in a polygamous relationship, what if there's a new chad? Chads aren't chad forever, and they aren't the only chad aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 11:03 PM
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because there aren't enough alpha men to go around and get married to every above average woman out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:40 PM
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even with condoms and birth control and morning after pill, researchers are saying 4% of pregnancies in marriages are not by the husband. that's one estimate. there are lower estimates and there are much higher estimates. sex is the biology. children don't play a role in lust. the goal is just sex, not having children. if you read here long enough, women have two different dating goals: one is resources, long term, and the other is genetic quality, short term/casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 10:22 PM
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it's still legal. it's only an ethical problem, and not necessarily the greatest problem ever. it's just a problem i have with, personally, because they are using manipulation. like i mentioned, commercials that use a cute child's face and tell you they are starving. there are people who start charities and decide their own salary and then hire their friends. now, this is only regular charities, once you start talking about churches that buy private jets, it becomes even a bigger problem. The CE…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 09:34 PM
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the most popular food trucks are pulling restaurant revenue except they don't have restaurant expenses such as leases. you're also assuming that people who work are all involved in this political sociopathic behavior. but an engineer really is not always directly involved in that, yet the most talented engineers can make millions a year. a surgeon can just show up and do as he's told. go home, NEVER vote, and just play xbox. If you start calling these people sociopaths, then you are basically ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:16 PM
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you can call him up and i guarantee that he would tell you that being 4'10" has greatly affected his love life and his entire life in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:04 PM
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i mean, you can be accidentally brutal, because if you are successful that means you are taking other people's business away from them. but just to simplify things, say you have a food truck and you make tacos. if your tacos are great, that is talent and hard work that are most important for your success. you are not even thinking about anyone else, though your success of course does affect their success. you are competing, yet most people would not say you are being directly brutal to another c…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 07:00 PM
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this. i can see how 2 inches can matter a lot online. part of it is that almost all men lie to some extent. a girl has to assume that the height is a fraud. both men and women have to assume some lighting, angles, older pictures, weight fraud. at least to some extent, but some people just take it way too far, like a 5'6" guy saying he's 5'10" or a girl that is using pictures that are 5 years old and 50 pounds thinner. it is reasonable if someone is super cautious about these lower heights. real …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:55 PM
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I think it also depends what your original height is. this is the correct answer. so obvious that if you're 5'2" and you magically become around 6' you can go up 5 points. what if you're a handsome 4'11" guy? You can go up 7 points probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:21 PM
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Also the whole blood thing, if something goes wrong you're treated for free like everyone else.. yes, that makes sense then. i keep forgetting that most of the developed world has great healthcare for their people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 06:00 PM
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your managing philosophy can be based on fairness and meritocracy and you can probably be successful. But you have to be talented. People who are not talented must rely on politics to get ahead. If you have a restaurant and you're just a damn good chef, you could be successful. There does not need to be sociopathy involved. You're just a damn good chef with a good product. not completely disagreeing with you, just that I feel like it's 50/50 being aggressive and political and sociopathic vs actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 05:53 PM
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if voting revealed sociopathic tendencies, then everyone would be a sociopath. i mean, that can be true, but it is not clinically true, in the sense of real diagnoses that a professional will make. MANY lower middle class people would vote for no public housing across the street. I've seen that happen. But clinically they would not be sociopathic, they most definitely have average empathy. everyone that voted for trump would be a sociopath. i don't buy that. everyone that voted for clinton would…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 05:47 PM
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even that variation is largely meaningless and there are other ethical problems. many cancer charities are using peer pressure and 5k runs to get people to donate. yet the CEO is making $600k per year salary. So donations are coming from people making $40k per year and majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck. So a $40k salary person is paying the salary of a $600k salary person. There is something wrong with that. People use gift rewards for donations and many use peer pressure to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 05:32 PM
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it's not as much a problem because he's 5'11 that's blackpill as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 04:20 AM
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if i were a waitress, i would be like "damn, i could have married an engineer and wouldn't be a waitress." And that's basically a large portion of the customers. women who come in with their dates with good, stable jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/21 04:13 AM
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onlyfans is really just porn that you pay for, without a middleman that is porn production company, but a middleman that is simply a payment processing company. it's just porn. that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 11:21 PM
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red pill doesn't mean people don't want long term relationships. that's still what many people desire. stability, emotional support, friendship etc. is all still very important for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:04 PM
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blue pill is the objectification of women through insane means: making lust a sin, death sentence for adultery, covering women's bodies from head to toe, slut-shaming, obsession with purity and virgins, the delusion that women don't experience sexual pleasure, thinking that consuming porn doesn't make you filthy but producing porn makes you filthy, etc. even when red pilled, the love of the blue pill universe is what causes hate. The red pill view, seems to do things that is in your best interes…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 09:39 PM
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that might have been someone else who said that. but it's also a matter of how we define sleeping around. if you cheat every few years, is that sleeping around? I'd say yes. You could go either way. Cheating every few years though, I don't believe that would become boring until you are like 60+ and your hormones have changed significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 08:28 PM
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cheating is not rare statistically. and it is underreported by women. even a woman having a child by a man that is not her husband is not statistically rare, EVEN in a world with birth control, condoms, morning after pill, and abortion. all of the above statistics are debated to a certain degree. but even at the lowest estimates by researchers, i would not call these "statistically rare."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 08:03 PM
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i mean, even 7 does sound possible for women. 5, 12, 23, these all sound POSSIBLE. just personally, i can't be confident in any survey.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:55 PM
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that's your pill. you simply BELIEVE that it is rare. it's ok if you think it's juvenile. except for the fact that, at the end of the day, you decided to contribute to a subreddit called purple pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:41 PM
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you're saying women don't sleep around forever and it gets boring. Does it though? you never even thought about things like time/frequency, such as cheating once every 5 years. Is that boring? You haven't even thought about the evidence: the more a woman sleeps around, the greater the chances that she cheats on a partner in the future. what you just wrote IS a pill. a pill is just a convenient way of describing a set of beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:35 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5639921/ having too many partners is not normative behavior for women. having too few partners is not normative behavior for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:29 PM
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a lot of them do, even after marriage, and you would never suspect it by just their personality or how they act. cheating every single night might be boring, but that's not how it works. you can be loyal for 7 years and then it just happens one day. But the same is true for men. they can be loyal for a decade and one day they severely fuck up (Schwarzenegger, Tiger Woods). Many men just simply dump their wife and get a younger one (sometimes even kill such as Chris Watts, Scott Peterson). We're …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 07:12 PM
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those are self reported. women and men lie in surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 06:36 PM
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tiger woods certainly spent his time on gaming women, lying, manipulating, keeping the lies straight, etc. he was obsessed with it. even tiger woods couldn't just fuck in a car in an empty parking lot. that's how important looks are. the women had to be convinced that he was going to divorce his wife for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 02:17 AM
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you could argue that now we have birth control and morning after pill and DNA testing, so men are winning in terms of getting to guarantee that they are the father of her child. the other men are truly just the dildos. back in the day, your wife had 7 children by 7 men, none of them were yours, but you raised them all, and they inherited your wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 12:10 AM
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hate is not necessarily a part of any pill. in fact, if you are obsessed with pure women, it's because of Blue pill and that illusion. blue pill in many ways is the true Larp, the true fetish. The idea that women can't experience pleasure and don't want to fuck hot guys. if you are black pill enough, it should be very normal that all humans can desire sexual pleasure. it shouldn't be surprising, and there should be nothing to be angry about. the OPPOSITE should be surprising, that humans can rep…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:54 PM
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maybe more like an excuse. in the past, they were not left with much of a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:37 PM
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After years of being into the ideology ive realized that the best course of action is to have a relatively bluepill facade, whilst being cold and calculatingly RP beneath the surface. don't forget bluepill was created by men, through religion, slut-shaming, obsession with purity, covering up women head to toe in some cultures, arranged marriage, controlling women through various means, the illusion that women don't experience pleasure, etc. women MUST have had a bluepill facade in past history, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:15 PM
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you have to accept that women are complex humans, and not asexual like christians want you to believe. There's a reason we have religion calling lust a sin, death penalty for adultery in some societies, and slut-shaming. Because that's how much illusion is needed to cover up red pill. even with birth control and condoms and morning after pills and abortion, there are 4% pregnancies not by the husband. It's not a larp. it's DNA testing. just accept that your partner wants to fuck hot guys at some…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 06:59 PM
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yes, but my other point is, that's not only in south korea. "beautiful" people get more promotions throughout life in basically every country on the planet. same with taller people. i've known many below average koreans, (not korean-americans, but just koreans who study in the USA) and they get advanced degrees and go back to korea and many get great jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 05:47 PM
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It is true. But that's like people in the USA saying being short and ugly makes it hard to find a job. literally ugly people in forums are saying they are treated noticeably differently in social situations... and i believe that's true, to some extent. but i have a harder time believing that if you have an engineering degree and you are talented, that someone won't give you a job because you're not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 06:36 PM
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a short bald guy in glasses could literally be jason statham in glasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 06:25 PM
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your dad is also your dad. i don't have kids, but i'm never going to tell my kids, yeah, i'd fuck her. that's just ridiculous. maybe if i'm divorced and they're 35 and we have the same sense of humor. i've even told girls "yeah, she's not that hot." Only I knew the person we were talking about was in my fap folder. not even a playboy or a swimsuit or maxim photo. just a picture of her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 03:32 AM
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no, they don't. women fuck top 5% (or whatever, pick your number based on your own experiences and people you know). women marry and have children with a much broader group of men, financial stability is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 12:05 AM
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men want to fuck the hottest women. that was never a red pill. that actually is blue pill, because it is universally known. men have always objectified women. the red pill is that many women not only want to fuck the hottest guys, but they easily can. the real red pill is that this is a good biological strategy for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 11:06 PM
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it's not that rare. many men want to pump again and the woman says no. That is rejection and it hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 06:47 PM
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i can agree that men are hypocritical here. some are bitter and angry. some women are hypocritical here. that includes just a lot of insults about the other gender. You shouldn't let all of that bother you. it's a lot of venting. I think "deserve" is mostly meant FROM the woman's perspective taking into account that specific woman's goals: marriage. It mostly is about 30+ year old women that wanted to settle down but find it extremely difficult. if you want hot sex with strangers, there's nothin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 05:53 AM
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both gay men and women often have biological children. from the perspective of evolution, it doesn't matter who you're attracted to. what matters is successful reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 03:41 AM
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11 years later he would write incel-y things on FB. because, contrary to what many people here claim, red pill is shocking even for people who are red pilled. a pretty average 5'4" guy can be one of the top guys in a small high school. once they go to state college, they can easily become the bottom guy, unless they find status. the difference between the 5'4" guy and the 6'2" guy is that they live more and figure out their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/21 03:09 AM
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in general, the women know these days what's going on and how it works. the women are often the one using the hot guy for sex because it is obvious that the guy is not going to marry her or even date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 09:23 PM
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can't have this: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/india-elects-untouchable-president-ram-nath-kovind-lowest-dalit-caste-n784726 unless the majority of your country knows that the caste system is complete shit. it still exists because people don't like change and people like superiority too. but deep down, everyone knows that a black man can be president and the lowest caste guy can be president is how an Ideal society should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 08:00 PM
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it's interesting how that happens. it happens to a lot of words that are not common, and then people start using them a lot. it's like the word went viral.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 07:50 PM
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It sounds so silly, but many men really do not know the extent that women are attracted to attractive men. this is why you get a 30+ year old guy who is bitter on reddit during a discussion about height. They didn't grow up with tinder and reddit. It finally hits him how important physical attractiveness really is. Those movie scenes weren't 100% fantasy. They didn't happen to him because he's 5'5". this is why it is called red pill. Because it is shocking and what you previously believed in was…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 07:44 PM
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that doesn't mean anything. they're both society's opinions. they're both inventions of society. just like you can watch porn and consider yourself not filthy, yet the person who made the porn you watch you can consider filthy. that's your own invention. or at least society's invention. the best thing you can do for yourself is deconstruct it. You can reach a higher plateau of thinking, like Einstein or Plato or Steinbeck. I can only respect a mind that is open to falling in love with a prostitu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 06:33 AM
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women chose who to fuck since the beginning of time. that's the primary reason death penalty for adultery existed, and the idea of covering a woman head to toe. None of that stopped affairs. not even condoms and birth control and abortion stops women from getting impregnated by men who aren't their husbands. female teachers fuck their male students. male teachers fuck their female students. marriage is a little bit more rational. fucking just happens. the age range that a rational mind decides u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 05:10 AM
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40 year olds are children in california. in Nebraska, 40 year olds are grandparents.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:59 AM
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go to a club or bar and just look at which people pair up and leave. young girls with older guys is not uncommon at all. very possibly the girl thinks something could come out of it, like a sugar daddy possibly. but most of the time, it's just a ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 04:53 AM
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they're trashy because society decides that. and in some societies, wearing a bikini is trashy. in others, going topless on a beach is perfectly normal. to some people, a man who looked at a porno is a disgusting, filthy whore. why would any self-respecting woman marry a man whore? the entire world is conservative, on average. women are covered from head to toe in parts of this world. Do you really get your standard morals from what those countries are doing? all nations are jam packed with peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 03:12 AM
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many middle eastern men think white western women are trashy, because, like, they wear shorts. white western women are sluts to them. many conservative, religious men think non-virgins are trashy. Premarital sex means you're a whore, probably even for males. males who have premarital sex are sluts. divorce was extremely scandalous back in the day. there are religious people who think that you're a trashy whore man if you watched porn and other guys' dicks. If you think about these opinions that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 07:48 PM
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societies cover women up from head to toe. many societies kill women for cheating but don't kill the men. societies have even killed women for being the victim of a rape by a married man. allowing women to do what they want with their bodies is feminism. this makes sense. it is NOT in the interest of many men for there to be more sluts, because MANY men are obsessed with purity and exclusivity. This is one reason why being a slut is perceived as bad. A large part of that is that men are jealous.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 07:36 PM
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if there are stats on that, it's going to include 50 year old men who divorce 50 year old women. from 40 to 50, the man's net worth probably got higher. The woman's attractiveness probably got lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 07:19 PM
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women have a limit to how many times they can reproduce. they need to be more selective in who gets to impregnate them. men are far less selective because they aren't the ones carrying the baby and they also aren't the ones with the eggs. there's just simply way more sperm. most people date within their percentile. but people don't fuck within their percentile. these are two very different things. I’m an average guy and I def wouldn’t fuck a lot girls. not all guys would. just a lot. there are o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 07:02 PM
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very few are willing to date a younger man. many women are willing to hook up and fuck a younger man, even 40+ year old women are willing to fuck 20 year olds. Female teachers regularly fuck their students.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 04:59 AM
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people are saying there's something wrong with these women. what i'm saying is that there's something wrong with quality, moral woman who think about hypothetical moral issues, in the sense that they are rarer. the same way being extremely smart is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 04:07 AM
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some are lying, when it comes to short term relationships. i already know one who lied. another thing is that among white women, trump vs clinton was like 50/50. my point is that humans in general aren't quality people. not trump people, not even clinton people. High quality, whatever that means, is a niche dating experience. Your average experience is low quality and most relevant when talking about statistics. talking about dating in general is by default talking about low quality people. in n…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 01:38 AM
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even red pill guys are shocked by it the first time around. that's how influential monogamy and falling in love and life partners are. that's how bad cheating and being a slut is in our society. And that's how important some idea of fairness is for people. it's just like people who believe in intelligent design and eventually conclude that evolution is real after reading a lot about it. That transition is absolutely shocking for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 01:10 AM
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nearly 100% of a society can support nazis. That's the whole point of a lot of classic literature out there. That's... how nazis happened in the first place, an entire society supported it or didn't speak up about it. It's like saying women would never date Trump supporters. But... a ton of women actually voted for Trump themselves. so in nazi germany, there were nearly 0 quality women maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:48 AM
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the main conclusion is literally that: hot guys get way more attention. https://www.the-sun.com/news/1598508/chris-watts-writing-letters-female-fans-handsome/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 11:51 PM
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it just says i read scientific research papers instead of listening to people who tell me that "height plays absolutely no role in attraction."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 02:59 AM
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it is rooted in facts. it is basically rooted in psychology, anthropology, sociology papers, etc. scientists literally study body sizes, height, weight, testosterone, salary, race, age, etc. and their relation to sex, attraction, dating, etc. there's no conspiracy around it. the problem with it is that they are fixated on these studies, and they don't consider other influential factors in relationships. They also largely ignore below average women. so the focus is selfishly usually from below av…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 02:02 AM
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the red pill is really just observation. Truth of what is going on, just like in the Matrix. There is no benefit because most women already know red pill stuff. Often the terminology is different, but underneath, it's the same thing, on a different subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 01:38 AM
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it is cringey, but it makes a whole lot of sense when we're talking about relationships, sexuality, dating, etc. in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 08:36 PM
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but doing make up for 3 hours has nothing to do with being a 10. there are 5's that spend 3 hours trying to become a 7 with makeup. there are 10's that wake up and don't look in the mirror and go out for a run and look good.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 08:33 PM
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women care about genes because it is completely involuntary. people don't just sit down and try to compute who is attractive. they just know. even by smelling a sweaty t-shirt. women can get their own food. men can get protein faster, maybe, but they're not going to die because a man isn't there to pick the berries off the trees for them. Nobel prize winners DO HAVE GROUPIES. einstein had groupies. many nobel prize winners have little social circles where they are the alpha. it's not uncommon fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 07:12 PM
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yet still with those rules in place, women dress far more provocatively. and these are choices that men and women make. men just don't choose to wear tight shorts with CUTE written on the butt as often as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 06:57 PM
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women don't want to fuck average men because they have limited chances to pass down their genes. whereas (many) men can fuck anything anytime including when they are senior citizens. compare the max children a woman can have to the max children a man can have in their lifetimes. that means women should be a lot pickier than men if you're only thinking about biology. many societies combat this. Religion, slut-shaming, birth control, laws, the idea of true love and soulmates. remember, we made up …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 06:09 PM
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no, it definitely is not the right thing to say. i'm sorry that it happened to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:56 PM
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maybe it's because if someone is abusing you, there's the very real possibility that they themselves were abused as a child. at least this is a very real possibility among the people that die from drug use or end up in prison. these people have real problems. they probably had very real problems at age 7. for the others, the people that are doing great in high school and then end up at a mcdonalds, the world is brutal to them too. the world is brutal for average intelligence people... and 50% ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 10:41 PM
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some societies kill adulterers. that's the punishment. in the past there was even brutal torture for adulterers all over the world in many various societies. today, we still have slut-shaming, religion which calls lust a sin, and frowns upon premarital sex, the idea of purity, and soulmates, etc. even the law states polygamy is illegal. this is a type of control over certain types of relationship. Societies within societies, such as some Mormons, believe in polygamy, will try to decriminalize it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 09:22 PM
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it may not be the most preferred out of all faces for every individual, but you can use a formula and get a beautiful face that is considered very beautiful by many people. though there are different beauty standards over time, there are also many universal standards that cross cultures. symmetry, like i mentioned, is one of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 07:12 AM
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you can measure facial symmetry and it is objective. but it is one trait that is attractive, whereas a face consists of hundreds or thousands of traits. and what complicates things is that there might be some person out there that really prefers very asymmetric faces. but in general, symmetry is an objective, measurable trait that increases attraction for almost everyone. these "similar subjective views" are really objective factors of a face and many of them are measurable proportions and ratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 04:36 AM
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you just said it: Now, I'm not saying it's random, of course the better people would be towards the top and vice versa. the part that is "not random" is the objective part. The part that "is random" is the subjective part. one objective trait is facial symmetry, for example. it does play some role in who is ranked higher and who is ranked lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:26 AM
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and if they kill, there will still be many, many women who want to be with them: https://www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/why-did-serial-killer-richard-ramirez-attract-fangirls
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 03:22 AM
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Now, I'm not saying it's random, of course the better people would be towards the top and vice versa. but nobody is saying if you take 50,000 faces, they would be ranked the exact same way by two different people either. Nobody is saying you can't fraud photos with lighting, angles, and make up either. Nobody is saying that people don't have different personal tastes. you both basically agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/21 02:56 AM
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i'm sorry, but i stopped reading at the word steroids. that's like telling a woman try harder and get a boob job. there's no point reading after that word. whether you get breast implants or steroids is up to you, either are choices that I don't consider negative. however, they are clearly not normal. in fact, it could easily be a subtle troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 11:20 PM
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that's not the original argument you made. you made a very messy argument about hotness and early marriage, later marriage stability, and household income all rolled into one. i can buy the argument you just stated though: "more attractive people are richer on average later in life." you don't need to pull up a study on that one. i can just agree with that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:48 PM
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it doesn't matter what it is. The fact that it exists and influences a woman so strongly does mean that many women (not all) find it thrilling to be an object of desire (at certain times). my opinion is that there's nothing wrong with that. clearly, some of these replies try to deny it completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:21 PM
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that makes your argument weaker. because if men don't want that, and men want to work, then you have those career-focused women who are often married to men who are also career-focused, in effect, they are DOUBLING the household income. think of: doctor wife who has a husband who is also a doctor. an MBA woman who marries a man with an MBA. your argument simply is not a "general rule."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:12 PM
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because of make up and slutty clothes. even just normal skirts, heels, jewelry, etc. the standard reply, is "cleavage is not for men, it is for me to feel good about myself." "labiaplasty is just for me. I don't care what the men i'm dating think." yet all the time on reddit there are posts asking men what they think is attractive. why is that bad? Personally, i think it is fine if someone finds it thrilling when they see that a ton of men are attracted to her. I think many women probably find i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 10:03 AM
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career focused women, such as doctors, lawyers, scientists, MBAs, etc. probably have very high household incomes. and they probably get married the latest. a doctor wife and a stay at home husband would still be a super high top household income.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 09:46 AM
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you just tell them that they are too picky or that their standards are too high. you can do all that half jokingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 01:51 AM
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a hot face means more orgasms. aren't there studies on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/21 01:36 AM
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i'd say the opposite is a red flag. if you always have to be in a relationship, you have some kind of dependency problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 11:19 PM
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old is still photo based, and you can lie about height, use your best pictures, use older pictures, etc. in real life, you can smell the other person, hear their voice, get a good look at their face in various lighting, check each other out from different angles. you probably have to still have a coffee date. safety is still important. you don't even know if the person actually exists, and you can get stood up. real life is 10,000 times better, for anyone, average people, attractive people, not …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 07:46 PM
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that's what relationships have been from the beginning of time. trading resources for sex. this is why young men should focus on careers and skills and eventually they can be a sugar daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:43 PM
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With the way the world's economy is these days, as long as the guy has a job, isn't a slob, has his own place - doesn't have to be owned - and if he ain't fat or ugly or 4 feet tall; he can easily enough find himself a physically attractive girlfriend. so, does like the 4'1" cashier need to stop complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:35 PM
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that's just not relevant to what we're talking about. i agree that incest can cause problems. https://theconversation.com/incest-isnt-a-taboo-in-the-animal-kingdom-new-study-160937 but it's not that simple. we're all a product of incest. the first humans to fork from a species weren't a population of 1 million. it was a small population and they all had incestual sex, there was no other choices. all humans are cousins to this very day. people that are a product of non incestual sex can also be m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:49 AM
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you already mentioned them. the habsburgs are still alive and they are doing fine. you can google what they're up to. i already mentioned that sibling sex is avoided by chimps and bonobos and humans. i already mentioned other mating strategies that non-alphas have, with various levels of success. incest is a problem for genetics. but... you may be overstating how big of a problem it is, because it's not a one time thing. alphas have been around for maybe millions of years. you have to look at al…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:38 AM
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it is not big foot. one male bonobo fathering 60% of the next generation is a mere observation made by a research scientist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 04:17 AM
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bonobos and chimps don't practice incest. but obviously there is less genetic diversity if one male fathers 60% of the next generation. but then again, that male bonobo is the most genetically fit too. so there is a balance. nature has taken care of that for many years until humans hunted them with guns and built bulldozers and destroyed their habitat. There's no fetish. incest is gross. It is just a fact that it can happen. the habsburg family still exists and they're doing fine. the reason mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:38 AM
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we're all a product of incest. going back when the first humans split from whatever was before them. that was a tribe and they were all related. clearly, incest can be overcome and nature has a way of dealing with that. apes are also capable of avoiding sex with siblings, parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 03:00 AM
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think about how long they've been around. bonobos have been using those reproductive strategies perhaps for hundreds of thousands of years. They are still here. The biggest threat to bonobos is probably humans hunting them and destroying their habitat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:51 AM
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That doesn't translate to an "alpha male" bonobo chad who dominates the other males and is the only male any of the females are attracted to. it 100% does. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170710122949.htm "For example, researchers found in one group that the most reproductively successful bonobo male fathered more than 60 percent of the next generation." it is probably worse than 80/20 for humans. out of 1,000 men, there probably aren't 200 guys that are that good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 02:39 AM
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agree. but a lot of people here don't agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:22 AM
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but women have birth control too. and men have to think about some women who do want to have their kid and they will take them to court. Literal evolutionary biology for women is to fuck the best looking guys but also to have a man (not necessarily the same man) provide resources for her. Pregnancy by the best looking guy is evolutionarily desirable. biologically, women have fewer years and fewer chances. that means genetic quality they desire is much higher. Sex with random coworkers is extreme…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 01:11 AM
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person above me misinterpreted the person above them. the idea that the top 5% of men gets 95% of the women is that that's what they WANT. (i don't necessarily agree with these specific numbers.) the symmetry is just not there between men's desires and women's desires. Also biologically it's highly risky for a woman to keep fucking multiple guys. Higher risk of getting pregnant, higher chance of catching an STD also the fact that women who sleep around are looked down upon. i agree. it's also ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:49 AM
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Alfa males are not real. yet the articles i read are littered with the term, even bonobo articles: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-smart-and-swinging-bonobo-134784867/ many of these types of articles are written by the top researchers of their field. I can agree that you can probably find SOME researchers who do not believe in the alpha concept. Obviously there are top researchers that believe in the concept. If you think a troop of a few dozen hominids couldn't possibly cull t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 12:38 AM
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We're smarter than chimps. but you said this shit would be "removed from the gene pool before we were even walking upright." Chimpanzees are evidence that it is NOT clear at all that this shit would be removed from the gene pool. At BEST, you could say for SOME species it COULD be removed from the gene pool depending on many variables. you should go get your Nobel Prize in anthropology and start publishing all of your studdies contradicting the scientific consensus what contradiction? most of my…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 11:38 PM
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first, I don't think it is 20%. i think it closer to 5%. people do kill alphas. there are guys that kill their spouse and their spouse's lover. there are even women who do that, though much rarer. there are women and men that kill their spouse and their children. but in a smart species, such as one that has laws, this type of thing is just riskier to pull off compared to divorce, breaking up, etc. also, both men and women deal with a great amount of social pressure. that means people will be dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:58 PM
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if people stare, some of those people fuck. i'm not sure how you wouldn't reach that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 10:36 PM
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it's not irrational at all from a biological perspective. the alpha mates and the others don't. that is from biological examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:55 PM
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the top 5% of men gets 95% of the women no shit, top 5% of women get top 95% of men too no, they don't. a hot guy might be interested in fucking most of his female coworkers. a hot girl is not going to be interested in fucking most of her male coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:42 PM
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is this guy redeemable? https://www.oxygen.com/true-crime-buzz/why-did-serial-killer-richard-ramirez-attract-fangirls
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 09:26 PM
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So the thing I’ve come to the conclusion about with chadfishing is that it is more a reflection of how men who don’t get attention from women would treat women if they had the power to do so. treat women how? Pretend to be a Nazi toward them? Although some women I believe take the nazi thing to be a joke, the point of chadfishing is really simple: no matter how dumb you get, the attention keeps coming. All that has to happen is the women just have to choose not to swipe for the Nazis and ignore …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 08:18 AM
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self reported though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 07:21 AM
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men can fully escape into fantasy worlds and be perfectly happy. Who the fuck cares if it's not real if you have a machine like in Total Recall that makes you think it's real. if tech gets good enough, people will not only enjoy themselves "a little" but they will enjoy it more than reality. I think this is obvious. in the future, tech can eventually make fantasies pretty much real. every man in the world will want some tech fantasy action regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/21 12:17 AM
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look at chris watts, his relationship with the other woman was so complicated that he had to kill his beautiful current wife and his children in order to move forward with this other relationship. the guy could not just get a divorce and he wasn't some rich guy whose wife would take everything. men have fucked up crushes and relationships with other people all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 11:17 PM
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men vs women is a different discussion. black women have it bad in terms of statistics. tall women have a disadvantage. etc. I never said it's shocking. Everyone understands that stuff, media influence, status, stereotyping, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 03:16 AM
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that's why it's a verbalization by a person online and not a verbalization by an ideal white woman. the actions of the average woman is that white is better than minority when it comes to dating. this isn't the case all the time in every social circle, but it is the case among middle class white, asian, indian. it is less important for hispanic and black women. this is clear from online dating statistics and anecdotal data too. the verbalization comes from the person in the forum "putting down" …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:59 AM
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depends on the forum. but you see a lot of racial slurs directed at pretty much everyone, including other whites. i don't see that as hate though, usually. it is definitely a cultural thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 01:03 AM
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but that's not specific to being asian or indian. it is literally anything that a hypothetical ideal woman's actions say is negative statistically. a lot of what you think is a put down, is actually an accurate verbalization of the thoughts and actions of an ideal hypothetical white woman in america.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/21 12:59 AM
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reminds me of mcenroe talking about the williams sisters. he said your average male college player could beat them. senior pro men could beat them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 07:50 PM
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