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No. Why would I go on a date with someone I have no interest in spending time with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 07:46 PM
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If he could be respectful and mature about it, sure. The problem is that most of the time this has happened to me I’ve been called a bitch, cursed out, or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 07:46 PM
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But men do the same thing, all the time. It’s pretty much a meme at this point that men will date crazy girls as long as they’re hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:46 PM
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Your entire argument is faulty in that 1. having a job IS a necessity in a capitalistic society, sorry, and 2. giving shit tests and ultimatums and sabotaging women aren’t something that we are taught or encouraged or shown to do. It’s also, again, not exclusive to women, and I think you’d probably find that a lot of men in the workforce exhibit these toxic behaviors too. I work in a female-dominated workplace and … zero drama. Some people don’t like each other, and they avoid each other. They d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:44 PM
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One is a necessity in a capitalistic society. The other is a very specific scenario that many people, men and women, struggle with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:34 PM
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The two aren’t mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 05:46 PM
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I don’t watch porn
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:04 PM
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I have had two close friends who admitted feelings for me that I rejected. One lingered in my social circle for years and we had multiple big arguments that spiraled because he couldn’t get over me and held those feelings over my head. We are still friends now, but not as close as we once were. Another friend intentionally took space away from me for a little over a year. He unfriended, unfollowed, and completely disconnected from me. We got back in touch and he is happily married and we have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 03:25 PM
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I have had two close friends who admitted feelings for me that I rejected. One lingered in my social circle for years and we had multiple big arguments. We are still friends now, but not as close as we once were. Another friend intentionally took space away from me for a little over a year. He unfriended, unfollowed, and completely disconnected from me. We got back in touch and he is happily married and we have a great friendship. I think good friendships are worth protecting and I’m glad I stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 03:25 PM
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I think if you’re aware of how your behavior and actions might make women uncomfortable that’s one thing and it’s a green flag. If it’s an obsession to the point that you’re constantly thinking/talking about it, it’s a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 03:19 PM
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I was trying to go a similar route (assuming you do the job I think you do) but I was getting ready to graduate right around the time ChatGPT was made public and made a pivot to education. It’s definitely not easy on introverts but you can climb the ladder to something that either lets you work mostly with adults or in something like curriculum development. Best of luck to you. It sucks that AI is taking peoples work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:43 PM
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Nobody is entitled to anything except the ability to leave a relationship that isn’t meeting their needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 02:40 PM
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>straight men crave femininity Not all straight men crave femininity. I’m a bisexual tomboy and often dress androgynous and I’ve almost exclusively dated straight men. In a similar vein, some women will only date masculine men, some women will only date feminine men, others will date both or neither. Masculine and feminine are also nebulous terms with a lot of individuals having different definitions and expectations of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:04 PM
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I think if we could all be equal in every way, hell yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:04 AM
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Again, where are you getting ANY of this info from?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:38 AM
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Dude. No they don’t. Where are you getting this info from? It sounds like you’ve been watching too much lesbian porn
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:45 PM
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Define “homoerotic behavior” and give me a source for your claim that women “constantly” engage in homoerotic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:14 PM
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There’s actually been loads of studies done on obesity, and while there’s no one gene linked directly to obesity, there is a genetic component to it for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:14 PM
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Cool, so you have nothing to actually disprove anything I said or refute my points. Have a good one mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:13 PM
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>Women are advantaged in education Men aren’t applying for college at the same rate as women. >hiring According to the U.S. Department of Labor, 66.8% of men participate in the workforce compared to 56.6% of women. Doesn’t seem like women have a leg up there. >careers See above. Additionally, women make up only about one third of leadership roles at most companies, despite being around half of the workforce.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:04 PM
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Fat people are usually completely aware of why they are fat. Source: was once fat
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:00 PM
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I think this all comes back to the idea that it just isn’t a helpful thing to say to someone. Imagine if your sister, friend, aunt, cousin, or any woman in your life that you cared about got into a relationship with a shitty guy. Like visibly and objectively shitty. And then he cheated, assaulted her, or whatever else. Would you sit across from someone you care about and say “this is actually all your fault because you should have chosen better?” Or are you someone with tact and kindness who can…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:58 PM
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Telling someone who was totally blindsided and who is dealing with the aftermath of that that they should have chosen better is a cheap, nasty shot. Too often, that’s the context in which people choose to use it. Now if the red flags were flying from the get go, that’s a different story. Even then, however, it’s not really a useful or kind thing to say. Hindsight is 20/20
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:33 PM
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None of this has anything to do with dating. Yet another man who doesn’t understand what DEI means. And who clearly doesn’t work in a STEM field. It’s most certainly not equal and probably will never be, but that doesn’t mean it’s ever okay to discriminate against women in hiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:02 PM
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So how do you propose that we do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:39 PM
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By this logic a lot of men who claim to be straight are gay. I’ve heard a lot of guys make comments about wanting to kiss or bang their male friends
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:52 PM
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Nobody should force themselves to date people they aren’t attracted to. That’s a recipe for disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:49 PM
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Saying someone is attractive doesn’t mean you’re lusting after them? I can recognize that my female friends are gorgeous, without being attracted to them. You can recognize that someone is attractive without being attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:44 PM
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So lust coming from women is performative? Is that really your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:20 PM
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And yet, you claim women are all egotistical and two-faced. Maybe in different words, but certainly not far off. Genuinely curious, would you tell those women what you thought about them in the dating world? On that note, do you get this perspective from what they say to you and how they act? Or is this coming from somewhere else?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 06:14 AM
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This is all just “women bad!” If you genuinely do not think dating is worth the effort for you, you are free to opt out of it for whatever reason you choose. It sounds like you really dislike women so idk why you’re so hung up on trying to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:51 AM
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When will you guys realize that men’s arousal and women’s arousal are different?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:45 AM
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Oh man, is this gonna be another “women are lying about being straight!” thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:47 AM
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You must be confusing me with someone else, considering you replied to my only comment on this thread and said “first you said x, now you said y.” I never moved any goalposts, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:46 AM
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2 and 3
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:36 AM
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You do realize that people do studies on male attraction as well? Doing research on a topic is usually something people do out of curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:17 PM
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OP’s entire point is that men are more likely than women to be violent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:16 PM
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Way to completely miss my point. Men are at an even greater risk of being hurt my men, and yet hate the “not all men but it’s always a man” line
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:01 PM
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How is it not relevant? You’re more likely to be hurt or sexually assaulted by another man than you are to be by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:18 AM
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I’ve heard from multiple women who live in countries that are common hotspots for passport bros that nobody really sees them as genuinely interesting people, it’s more so a chance at a green card or a cushier lifestyle. Some will even go so far as to saying that a lot of women are already turned off by these guys because they know they probably weren’t getting any back home and that’s why they came. That’s not to say that some of these people don’t find genuine love because I’m sure for every 10…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:27 AM
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No. Because physical attraction is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:07 AM
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Love how you prove your point with your only example being of a fucking Russian sex spy. Since you think taking one example of something means it applies to everyone, I could sit here and tell you that all men are rapists because I know one guy who is a rapist. But that’s an atrocious claim, and if I genuinely posted some shit like that I’d get dunked on for good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:06 AM
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I find it funny how in discussions about general violence and how each gender experiences it. Men are usually the ones to go “well men are at a higher risk of being attacked or murdered!” Yes. By other men. Men are more likely to get murdered than women and it’s by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:05 AM
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It’s funny that you think one or even a handful of examples mean that men always protect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:03 AM
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OP’s point is clearly in regards to physical and sexual violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 03:02 AM
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Asking your partner for a paternity test is an accusation of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:15 AM
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Snooping on someone’s phone is not the same as openly accusing them of cheating on you and intending to commit fraud against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:46 PM
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Yes, this. In a hypothetical where a man demands a paternity test with no reason to believe his partner cheated beyond his own insecurities, this is at best an emotional manipulation tactic where others have to kowtow to his whims in order to soothe his own issues, and at worst a common hallmark of abuse. Neither scenario involves someone who is fit to parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:41 PM
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How is it not an implication of cheating? How is it not a demonstration of your lack of trust in your partner? I have insurance because other people drive like idiots and I don’t want to be boned if someone else’s idiocy leads to damage of my property. Why on God’s green earth would I stay in a relationship with someone if I felt the need to “take precautions” against the possibility that they’re an awful person?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:39 PM
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And once again, most rape accusations, false or otherwise, don’t result in prison or financial consequences. Accusing someone of cheating and intending to commit fraud could be considered libel or defamation, same as a false rape accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:32 PM
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“I trust her and don’t think she’d cheat” is not a thought process you have when demanding a paternity test from your wife. If you request a paternity test you clearly don’t trust that the baby is yours. That’s kind of just it. And no matter what the outcome, if you arrive at that conclusion, the relationship needs to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:30 PM
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It also isn’t in the best interest of the child to be around a parent that is so insecure that they’re willing to blow their whole family up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:24 PM
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If you don’t trust your wife enough to believe that she isn’t cheating on you and intending to lie to you forever about it then you shouldn’t be in the relationship anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:14 PM
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Are we just going to act like someone accusing their wife of cheating and intending to lie about it forever wouldn’t possibly result in any social consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:13 PM
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Zero custody but still paying child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:06 PM
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And once again, while they both cheat, men are more likely to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:50 PM
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Considering the relevant data, it likely won’t change. There have been studies on the subject going back to the 90s and the findings are always the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:28 PM
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Where the fuck did I say anything of the sort?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:26 PM
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So by your logic men shouldn’t complain about their wives not wanting sex as much as them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:30 PM
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And in every other age bracket, men are more likely to cheat, and the disparity in likelihood only grows larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:29 PM
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So by your own logic, 1% is present, but low desire. Once again, why would a woman seek out a relationship with someone she doesn’t desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:07 PM
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Statistically, men are more likely to cheat. I also think it’s worth pointing out that cheating on your partner might not mean that you don’t desire them at all, it just means you desired someone else more, if only for a fleeting moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:03 PM
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But you just said yourself that desire is not 100% or 0%
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:02 PM
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You didn’t answer my question, like at all. Even if it’s a 1% there is still desire there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:59 PM
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Why would a woman seek out a relationship with someone she doesn’t desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:39 PM
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Women can be shallow, just like men can be shallow. If you want to assert that the majority of either is shallow then you need to be able to prove it concretely.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:12 PM
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I thought the “women aren’t straight” bullshit was banned here. I never said that women aren’t pursuing relationships at all. Women are less likely to feel pressured to seek relationships and even less likely to feel like they have to stay with men they aren’t attracted to or compatible with because we don’t have to do that anymore. Considering the fact that over half of women are getting married with the vast majority of women still valuing and wanting marriage, I think it’s pretty obvious that…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:01 AM
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While I mostly agree with your point, I do think it’s important to bear in mind the fact that 1. Women used to be more reliant on men, and the current generations of single men are among the first to contend with women having all of the same rights as they do, which means that women aren’t seeking out relationships at the same rate as we used to, and 2. Fellow men tend to perpetuate the idea that self worth should be dictated, in part, by one’s ability to get women, and 3. Men still aren’t compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 01:38 AM
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Nice try at a gotcha. But that’s a dumb as fuck comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:06 PM
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“Choose better” absolutely is still valid even if the other choice is being alone. Putting up with bad behavior or even just abuse is way too normalized with men because too many of yall are obsessed with the idea of being in just any relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:05 PM
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I fully agree with everything you’ve said and I think the fact that at least some people can objectively recognize the fact that it has more to do with big societal issues than with how one gender behaves in the context of dating is really important. The apps are easier, at least at a surface level of exposure. But the reason that they work so well for women and are such a nightmare for men is because of the disparity in genders on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:49 PM
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Every time I see a man complaining about his crappy luck on dating apps I feel like I lose ten years off my life. It’s a well known fact that there are 5x as many men on dating apps as there are women. Every time a guy signs up for a dating app he is widening that gap. The blame consistently gets foisted onto women for a problem that men are relentlessly and knowingly perpetuating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:29 PM
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Pretty sure someone has already pointed out the fact that the story changed between your first post on the subject and this one. Those comments didn’t have the full story and you’re misrepresenting them by acting like they had the same context you gave here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:12 PM
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>But this transactional view is horribly unattractive to most people, and I do think it’s often a very manly attitude that is harming men so much socially. I’m really glad someone else picked up on this and pointed it out. When I keep hearing about how women have deeper connections and larger social networks, and then I read something like this, it all becomes so clear to me. Part of building community is showing up for people and also asking for help. OP seems to think both of those things shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:44 PM
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Context decides whether or not you are accurately representing anecdotes that show whether or not random women are approaching you and demanding your money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:38 PM
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Are you gonna provide any context for your alleged story of random women asking you for money or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:26 PM
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>She showed no interest And you kept dating her, because….? >And this happens a lot either a woman randomly asked me for money or to buy her dinner Provide some context. Are these random women walking up to you on the street and asking you for money? Or are these people who would probably consider you a friend asking you to lend them a few bucks or asking you to help them move because most people who are good friends would do that for their friends? >how is me saying no to a woman not having sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 07:19 PM
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So you fully admit that you have no standards and are dating shitty people that don’t like you, and then making sweeping generalizations about women because of that experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:43 PM
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I don’t think the fact that you turned her down is part of this principle of not owing anyone your body. I think whatever backlash you experienced had more to do with the fact that you were “sparsely dating” someone you clearly have zero interest in and then complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:12 PM
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I don’t really believe you considering you can’t actually show me any of this info.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:57 PM
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Where do you get these numbers? Saying that 80% of women wouldn’t consider dating short men is utterly meaningless when you don’t actually have anything to back that up and you can’t even quantify what short means.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 04:10 PM
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Please explain to me how I’m delusional if I already have a boyfriend that meets all my standards
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:47 PM
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“Evidence” and it’s just him making up whatever he wants to say? You guys seem a little confused about how debate works. The burden of evidence falls on OP to convince us that he is right. He has provided none.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:19 PM
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So now every single woman alive is on dating apps? Only around 27% of women under 30 have ever even tried a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:18 PM
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But it’s not. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:16 PM
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Not a peer reviewed study or even true tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:13 PM
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That was published in 2009. It’s not peer reviewed, nor is it inclusive of anyone outside of people who used OkCupid in 2009. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:12 PM
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Show me a study that proves this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:10 PM
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Because most women don’t find 95% of men “completely unattractive.”
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:08 PM
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I think the actual line here is written erotica vs porn videos. Not men’s vs women’s. That being said, I think by that line, anything written is less problematic than anything on video tbh. I personally don’t watch porn, partially because when you pull up a video there’s no way to guarantee that everyone involved totally consented to not only being in a video but having it uploaded online. In a book/story, there’s no real people involved. It’s pure fantasy. Things that are taboo or even just ill…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:35 PM
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So men are paying for her to make her content. Men bear the responsibility. She’s not a great person for sure but I have a feeling she wouldn’t be doing what she’s doing if people weren’t paying her millions and literally lining up to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:18 PM
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Who is making her wealthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:14 PM
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I live continents away from Bonnie Blue and only know who she is because of posts like this. I haven’t ever done sex work like she has. I don’t even watch porn. Why do you think it’s logical to say I, as a woman, am less ethical than a man because of a woman I have no connection to? You clearly don’t think me doing the same to you makes any sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:12 PM
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If there was no Bonnie there would be someone else producing that content. Why? Because a fuckton of men would pay for someone else to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:10 PM
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It’s unrealistic and silly to expect women, or anyone for that matter, to suddenly start being attracted to unattractive people. I also think you’re assuming that everyone is as terminally online as you. Most women aren’t thinking about who they are looksmatched with relative to their sexual market value. Most women are just attracted to the people they’re attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:06 PM
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Calling me less ethical because Bonnie Blue exists means I can call you less ethical because Brock Turner exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:05 PM
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Yuuuup
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:04 PM
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I don’t watch porn. But when I did, I never really found it satisfying. Everything is so male gaze-y, and female arousal isn’t always like male arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:20 AM
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This is a phenomenally bad faith argument considering your entire premise is “men good, women bad.” How are we supposed to engage with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:05 PM
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The average woman has more of a support network than the average man. I think the default when it comes to custody should be as close to 50/50 as reasonably possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:10 PM
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Different anatomy, multiple points from which we can orgasm, and societal shame around women’s sexuality to top it all off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:09 PM
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The best selling books among women are not Fifty Shades-esque and you would find that out with a cursory Google search. I didn’t use any anecdotal evidence, beyond saying that I don’t consume sexual media. There’s data that shows that women and girls are more likely than men and boys to find stories about interpersonal relationships and social dynamics interesting, whether they include sex or not. And again, OP’s argument that women consume more sexual media than men falls totally flat when the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:07 PM
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Lack of danger, lack of pregnancy scares, lack of societal shame around having lots of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 08:27 PM
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A lot of the frustration comes from the fact that many single men would be content dating just anyone, while women are less likely to settle for just whoever. That mismatch is causing issues for a lot of guys right now. It has nothing to do with people’s value. Why do men keep saying shit like this about one another?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:25 PM
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I personally would never date a single parent unless we’d somehow met organically and I knew a lot about his relationship with his ex and their coparenting agreement. I don’t think I’m mentally prepared or emotionally resilient enough for all of the things that come with being a step parent. I say this largely because I grew up with divorced parents and my dad routinely dated awful women who either completely overstepped or straight up verbally abused me. Kids deserve to have all of the adults i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:01 PM
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Individuals can, but even then your success is dependent on other people’s decision making regarding socialization. It’s all connected!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:05 PM
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Why do we keep pretending that nightlife is the only social setting lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:26 PM
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Claiming that the entire marriage system is based on a lack of trust is just patently false. The marriage system exists to legally create family units and to streamline things like inheritance and taxes and the like. There’s stuff involved with the legal side of marriage that exists prior to divorce. “Just get a good lawyer” doesn’t let you put your spouse on your health insurance, or gain access to their medical records in case of an emergency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:57 PM
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If you see your entire purpose being to serve your partner that’s bad
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:53 PM
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“Willingness and ableness to be devoted to someone” and “serving your partner” are not things that create a healthy, happy relationship though?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:46 PM
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You’re right about both. But when you also look at the fact that we on average work more than our predecessors, more people are working multiple jobs, we have increasingly higher levels of exhaustion and decreasing reserves of free time. I do think lots of people make choices to spend time alone. I’m not disagreeing with that. But why do so many people do that? We’re pushed into it by capitalistic forces, by changing social norms, and by phenomena like smartphones acting as entertainment when we…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:52 PM
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While I agree that a lot of people complain about women not breaking down their front door and throwing themselves at men, I do think it’s important to keep in mind that “going out with friends” isn’t a 100% solution considering we are experiencing a social isolation epidemic en masse. Most people don’t have huge social circles anymore, on average anyone in their 20s has something like 30% the social groups that their parents did. Not to mention when you hit 30-40-50 your friends aren’t going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:35 PM
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I think this more so applies to straight up incels, and not men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:25 PM
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I don’t think the argument is that it’s wrong, but more so that it isn’t going to lead to you being happy in life or even you being able to be a good partner. I think most people want partnership, even a family, but still do things just because they enjoy them. The fact that you specifically say that all of your hobbies and goals and ambitions aren’t for you but are instead “a means to an end” makes it seem like you don’t even really like yourself that much if you aren’t interested in taking car…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:20 PM
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Of course your past experiences influence your current preferences. If you try something and realize you hate it, you will probably actively avoid it and never seek it out again. Same thing if you try something you end up loving, you might request it with any future partners you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:11 PM
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No? Being creepy will be perceived as creepy. It’s not hard to not be perceived as creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:08 PM
0

Once again. Enjoyment of media that you like. Why are you over complicating something so simple? Is it hard for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:39 PM
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So then why do you watch porn? For the plot? “Women get emotions from those romance novels” you get emotions from any media you consume. I like Godzilla movies, they make me happy. I like comic books, they make me feel invested. A woman who likes to read romance novels probably feels intrigued, aroused, whatever. The “mechanism” is consuming something that you enjoy. It’s not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:41 PM
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“Buh-buh-buh men don’t watch porn for that reason!” Do you watch porn because you like the plot or do you watch it because it’s sexual media for you to jerk it to? Dark romance is fantasy. Women like sexual fantasy just like men do. I’m not sure why you’re so hyper fixated on the emotions behind it. It’s smut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:16 PM
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Women who read dark romance like the fantasy of it. Just like men who watch porn like the fantasy of it. What’s so wrong about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:53 PM
1

So why are you here posting about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:20 PM
1

What does “taking accountability” look like to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:42 AM
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Just because you don’t like my point doesn’t mean I’m “not adding context to this thread” OP is pretty plainly upset about the dark romance “boom” (which has actually been a thing for years) But it’s all fun and games to be critical and to feign absolute outrage about the media women consume. What if I posited a question about what emotional and sexual stimulation that men get from porn? It would be defended absolutely. The only reason you and OP and anyone else is getting aggy in the comments i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:37 AM
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I don’t read romance novels. I actually am a big fan of horror and sci fi. I tried to read ACOTAR but the first book is so bland and boring that I gave it up. It’s not for me. What I don’t understand though is why men want to pin all this negative shit about romance novels on women - “you must secretly want a billionaire vampire boyfriend or to be raped by some mafia guy” while also in the same breath claiming that everything in the porn you watch is “just fantasy” and “not something you actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:29 AM
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It’s because you have money probably
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:27 PM
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Women don’t have to depend on men for the first time in history. Black pill men want to punish us for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:54 PM
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Decentering women and learning to prioritize yourself is a good and positive thing. I’m fully in favor of that becoming more of a societal norm, just not at the expense of being civil and kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:50 PM
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It’s like that but with a little more despair and women hating thrown in.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:40 PM
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Your personal interpretation of the blackpill is not the way it is represented or transmitted in real life though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:32 PM
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It blatantly misrepresents women. The black pill is not rooted in truth. Looks are not the only thing that matter to women. Sure, there are a few out there who would say otherwise, but that’s not exclusive to women. Men who believe in the black pill are oftentimes the ones who feel justified advocating against women’s rights and suggesting that it should be okay to harm and rape women because if we are painted as villains then it feels good to punish us. If you look at incel forums they will spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 09:21 PM
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So how do you rationalize men’s porn habits? If every woman who reads dark romance secretly always wants all of the above, how does a guy who exclusively watches 3some porn in a relationship not want that too?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:40 PM
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>The vast majority of women micro cheat. Source? What is considered “micro cheating?” Because I’d counter your point and say that the vast majority of men watch porn and ogle other women. Which to me would be micro cheating if we’re gonna assert that most women micro cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:52 PM
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This just feels like you confessing to being totally obsessed with women and your image regarding women. I’ve been one of few women in mixed gender friendship groups so many times in my life and I don’t think anyone would say they agree with your stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:51 PM
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So trying to start a conversation with someone is always a sign of romantic interest to you? No wonder men complain about women being cold all the time. How are we ever supposed to be nice or friendly to men if it’s always going to be taken as flirting?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 09:31 PM
2

And yet people still objectify me and go out of their way to let me know that they do. Quite frequently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:42 AM
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What’s crazy is I don’t post myself on social media, I don’t dress slutty, I don’t even really wear makeup, and you’re still here telling me that I like being objectified and am trying to be objectified. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:47 PM
2

Where did I say I was a proponent of cold approaching? I answered OP’s question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:41 PM
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I don’t mind if someone tries to talk to me at the bar when I go alone, or if I go to an event, hobby shop, concert, etc. I have had mostly positive interactions that way and made a few friends. I have a boyfriend so I try to make that clear and most guys are fine just having a chat with me after that. I think you shouldn’t approach women anywhere they need to be. Grocery store is a great example. I’ve been hit on at fucking Walmart before and that’s awkward as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:40 PM
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Hate to break it to you but you need actual information and rhetoric to have a real debate. Otherwise it’s just flinging shit. Which you seem to like doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:36 AM
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No you were pretty explicitly insulting my intelligence. “Crayon?” Hello? You’re not very good at the debate part if you cannot formulate an argument without attacking people’s intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:27 AM
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Ok, so you are in agreement with me. Men and women both shame men who don’t get laid. Didn’t have to resort to insulting my intelligence to say that, lmaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:22 AM
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“Male banter” and yet that is objectively not the only time men use it against other men. Once again I’ll ask - so a man has never, ever, EVER shamed another man for not getting laid? That has never happened? Is that your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:15 AM
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My dad cheated on my mom after she gave up a career to raise his children and hired a bulldog lawyer to leave her as destitute as possible. I guess that’s proof that all men are cheaters and scum bags.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:13 AM
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Oh ok so you’re arguing with me just to argue, because my entire point is that men use it as an insult just like women do. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:12 AM
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The guy who broke things off with me because I wasn’t his type is proof that all men are shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:08 AM
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Of course we shouldn’t just accept people’s shitty behavior. I never said we should just let that go? Men lament this phenomenon of women constantly getting attention and dates and having their lifestyles funded, even if they are awful people. Which tbh is overblowing it a little. But I’ll concede that there are a lot more desperate men than desperate women. Blaming women for men giving them attention and dating them no matter what is silly as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:06 AM
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So men never, ever, ever use that as an insult? Men never, ever, ever shame other men for not getting laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:03 AM
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A lot of the people who judge men for not having luck in dating are men. Downvote me all you want. Both men and women do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:43 PM
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Any time you become pregnant, you’re basically rolling the dice on whether or not it will kill you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:42 PM
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Cooking and chores expectations are the kind of thing you discuss when you’re getting ready to move in together.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:40 PM
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In this case? Yeah. Blame men for putting up with shitty behavior in the name of not being alone, blame men for throwing their standards and preferences out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:39 PM
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Yes this. I met a nice guy at a concert once who was wearing a shirt for one of my favorite video games. I tried to strike up a conversation and hopefully make a new friend. He got mad when I told him I had a boyfriend after he asked me out on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:38 PM
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Sometimes women will say they’re talking to or seeing someone in order to not have to outright reject people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:43 PM
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Offline approaching isn’t bad if you do it right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:12 AM
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The fact that women are the ones who have to take on pregnancy is equalizing enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:03 AM
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Toxic masculinity is usually when men don’t feel comfortable talking about their emotions and end up blowing up or self destructing, or when men won’t support one another or ask for help, or when men think that their self worth comes from how many women they’ve slept with, or when they hold themselves and one another to unrealistic standards physically. Healthy masculinity is connecting with things that make you feel masculine in constructive ways. My boyfriend says that being someone that peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:47 AM
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Well yeah, my point was just that in his particular case I didn’t reject him because of his lack of experience. I rejected him because of the behaviors that probably caused his lack of experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:40 PM
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I find it interesting that a lot of men in this thread say no, but I’d bet money that most of them have a favorite porn star.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:02 PM
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There’s a difference between toxic masculinity and masculinity though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:01 PM
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It’s not so much the inexperience as it is the reason for the inexperience. I have dated plenty of guys with less experience than me, and most of them were perfectly pleasant people. Some of them rejected me. But there were definitely a few who lacked experience and I found out pretty quickly why. To give an example, I went out once with a guy who was high the whole time and who tried to touch me inappropriately within 15 minutes of meeting me. Over text he had said he had never had a serious gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:46 PM
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No, it isn’t. Why are some of yall so obsessed with the idea of staying in relationships where you aren’t compatible with each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:45 PM
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This is such a weird question. How do you expect me to assign a percentage to my attraction to my partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:07 PM
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There’s no shame in wanting a bangmaid. However, if you harass, shame, insult, or bully women who won’t fit that niche for you, encourage others to have the same standards as you, or moan constantly online about how you can’t find a bangmaid, you deserve all the shame coming your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:01 PM
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I don’t want to have to constantly be reassuring someone all the time. I also don’t want to have to guess someone’s intentions with me, and I certainly don’t want to date someone who is a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:18 AM
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Of course. People can seek out whatever kind of relationship they want. What people don’t have the right to do is make it everyone else’s problem if they can’t find what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:16 AM
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Assuming the man somehow 100% knew for sure that the person he paid for sex was totally consenting and not doing survival sex work/being trafficked/pimped out etc etc etc, lying to someone for sex would be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:15 AM
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Didn’t see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:36 PM
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Source: trust me bro
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:00 PM
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Cite a source if it’s a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:51 PM
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Young women have been exposed to young men’s thoughts about women and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:55 PM
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Seems like you care more about men’s height than women do
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:37 PM
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I certainly didn’t have a party when I started my period. This is a culturally relevant thing. I know people who celebrate bar mitzvahs but not bat mitzvahs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:26 PM
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You sound like you live online and only interact with women by watching them on TikTok. Most women aren’t dating either the best or the worst men. Most women are dating average dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:25 PM
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Saying anything that isn’t *your* experience is “abnormal” is just flat out wrong. I could say it’s abnormal to be straight because I’m bisexual and you’d tell me I’m wrong because that’s neither your experience nor the experience of most other people. Women on average aren’t going to go nuts over every man they see.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:14 PM
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So you haven’t approached anyone. Got it. You’re not really lonely then, by your own logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:06 PM
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I’m not lusting after every average man because I have a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:42 PM
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I call BS on your entire post. You haven’t approached every single woman in your area. You aren’t lonely, just lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:40 PM
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Shit like this is why nobody takes the “male loneliness epidemic” seriously. Because if you’re going to just make shit up about other people, it makes you look like a liar. How am I supposed to believe that you’ve ever actually experienced loneliness if you’re posting a load of bullshit like this? Women suffer from loneliness all the time. The myth that every woman has endless options is complete bullshit - I know many women who, despite wanting to date, are not having any success meeting people…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:23 PM
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I could just as easily flip it around and say that it’s abnormal to lust after anyone and everyone for no good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:47 AM
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Once again, you don’t get to make up new definitions for words. Throwing puritan around as an insult to try to invalidate everything I’m saying just goes to show that you don’t like what I have to say and are dismissing it based off of that. It sucks to hear that the porn industry is rife with issues but choosing to ignore it doesn’t fix anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:18 AM
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Calling it a “misuse” doesn’t change the fact that someone did use it to try to excuse someone sexually assaulting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:12 AM
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I don’t care that people that I’m not dating enjoy watching other people having sex, I care that there’s no regulation on the industry and literal children end up caught in the crosshairs, and people like you don’t care at all so it just keeps happening. I care that kids who are exposed to porn at a young age are at a higher risk of both sexually assaulting others and becoming victims themselves. I care that illegal content is circulated every day and people consume it without ever knowing that …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:08 AM
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“Why aren’t you attracted to people that you aren’t attracted to?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:53 AM
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How is it puritanical if I don’t like watching people on a screen having sex but I enjoy having sex irl? You don’t get to just make up definitions of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:52 AM
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Look up the Rose Kalemba case It’s not that we believe that every single performer is actually being trafficked. Theres no denying that plenty of the big name actors and actresses are happy with their career choice. It’s that there’s no regulation or infrastructure or even verification to make sure that people aren’t victimized by big porn sites. I’m not a puritan and most of my anti porn friends aren’t. That’s not to say that there aren’t any people who are anti porn for religious reasons becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:26 AM
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I exclusively have dated nerdy guys. I think as long as a certain hobby/interest/fandom isn’t the only facet of who you are it’s not a true turn off
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:15 PM
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So why was I told “boys will be boys” when a man groped me when I was a minor?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:51 PM
1

So the basis of your argument is that people should be awful to one another because you aren’t getting any?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:50 PM
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Anti porn isn’t anti sex though? Anti porn sentiment largely is fueled by concerns about the consent of the performers involved - at least, in most of the anti porn spaces I’m active in. I’m anti porn and I am bi, have a robust sex life with my boyfriend, and am a pretty kinky person. Most anti porn people are not anti sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:45 PM
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I would identify myself as anti-porn, and I think you're lumping a lot of unrelated things together. I'm anti-porn because the industry has robust connections to sex trafficking, drug abuse, fetishization of LGBTQ people, normalization of abuse, and frankly I don't like dating people who watch it. I think a lot of people underestimate just how prevalent illegal content is on major porn sites. I’ll have to see if I can find the actual study and link it here, but I remember reading something about…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:18 PM
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Tf does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:09 PM
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A man I worked with got arrested for beating his wife. Are all men wife beaters? No, because I have common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:02 PM
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Ok so a lot of these people are literal teenagers. Yeah it happens but don’t let a group of teenage girls color your view of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:00 PM
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Examine the way you talk about and to women - “get back in the kitchen” jokes, mansplaining, stuff like that - and try to befriend women, even women you aren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:44 PM
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How old are these people? For the record, no this doesn’t happen with all groups of female friends, but I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t had experiences like this in middle and high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:43 PM
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I wouldn’t care, I’m bisexual too. As long as there was no pressure or desire to open the relationship or let him have an experience with the same sex, I’d be fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:02 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:01 AM
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Both studies prove that. You’re just backpedaling because you don’t actually care.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:22 PM
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Being unhoused is the root cause of many deaths per year… as per the studies I linked you. Go invite a homeless person to come live with you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:05 PM
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It’s callous of you to not give women money because we are more likely to experience poverty and poverty has been clearly linked to earlier deaths across multiple peer reviewed studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:52 PM
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Ah, moving the goalposts because you actually wouldn’t move unhoused folks in with you even though there’s already data proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that homelessness significantly increases your risk of death. It’s almost like nobody should expect you to give up your autonomy, personal space, and time in order to solve societal issues that aren’t your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:50 PM
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In your hypothetical you’re implying that women don’t care about men at all unless we have sex with men that we don’t want to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:40 PM
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I actually had a really good conversation about this a while back. Young men in my age group (20s) were born into an era that sought to undo decades of patriarchy. “Women in STEM” was something impressed upon me from a young age. I grew up around a lot of women who had been SAHMs who wanted their daughters to grow up and do things with their life. My mom’s best friend made her daughters swear to not date until after college, lol. Basically there were a ton of programs, initiatives, and groups th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:36 PM
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https://nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/mortality-and-homelessness.pdf https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12314730/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:28 PM
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Well good news - this is actually scientifically proven to be the case. Go out and find an unhoused person - shit, find as many as you can! - and house, feed, clothe, and provide for them. Since their plight is scientifically proven to heighten their risk of death, now your autonomy, time, and personal space are forfeit. ^ this is what you sound like btw
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:08 PM
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So women don’t care about men unless we have sex with men that we don’t want to have sex with? Am I reading this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:07 PM
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Being unhoused significantly increases your risk of death due to the elements, higher risk of disease and violence, etc. If I linked a study to prove that, would you start paying for a stranger’s apartment? Would you let an unhoused person move in with you? How would you change your views and behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:45 PM
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I have a partner. I don’t know what the expectation here would be. I can’t fix these issues for all men. No, my behavior wouldn’t change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:44 PM
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A lot of the times it’s not done this way though. A lot of the times there’s significant pressuring or insults after a no. This would be fine but most people are not directly asking for sex in this manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:36 PM
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It doesn’t have to come with the territory but it is oftentimes part of that sort of media. I wouldn’t say the fact that sex is in it makes it more appealing or less appealing. It’s kind of just there?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:26 PM
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Women are constantly shamed for being sexual. Go scroll on Instagram for five minutes and you’ll find an attractive woman and her comments will say “OF detected, opinion rejected.” So yeah, fewer women will do things like this. Because it’s sexual. And women being sexual is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:29 PM
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Either answer the question or don’t. Also, you’ve clearly never had to get fingerprinted for a job before lmao. It’s standard procedure, not “accessing private records.”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:19 PM
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Lack of trust in your partner, asking them to provide irrefutable proof of something, forcing them to do something to confirm your suspicions instead of having an adult conversation and choosing to date people you trust. You’re dodging the question because you don’t want to recognize that you probably wouldn’t like it, and therefore it’s incredibly hypocritical to believe that asking for a paternity test with no reason for doing so is something that men should just be able to do with no conseque…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:11 PM
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You didn’t even answer my question. How would you react if your partner asked you to get fingerprinted and DNA tested just to confirm that you hadn’t committed any crimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 08:00 PM
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I was groped when I was a minor wearing knee length shorts and a tee shirt. I was sexually assaulted again when I was wearing jeans and a hoodie. It’s not about what we’re wearing, it’s about people who want to exercise power over others.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:57 PM
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Neither are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:46 PM
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Men who push for the same are also mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:43 PM
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You’re conflating “victimhood mentality” with stating obvious facts. It’s not “having a victim mentality” to say that I’m more likely to be murdered by my partner than the average man is. That’s just reality. It would be different if I believed every man was a murderer or if I refused to interact with men because I was too afraid of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:29 PM
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But it’s not taking things to the justice system if you aren’t guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:26 PM
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If you’re only dating women who do this then clearly you are attracting some really toxic women. Since you missed the point, I’ll make it clearer. Being held in suspicion and being treated like you’ve done something wrong when you haven’t feels horrible. We shouldn’t normalize dating people who have zero trust in us. That’s how toxic relationships happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:44 PM
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Where is this study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:39 PM
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If your partner came to you and said “I need you to go get fingerprinted and DNA tested at the police station because while you’ve never told me you have a criminal past and I have no real reason to believe you have a criminal past, I just need to *confirm,* “ how do you think you would react?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:29 PM
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If you’re not cheating, why do you have a problem with your partner putting a tracker on your phone? If you’re not cheating, why do you have a problem with your partner listening to your phone calls? If you’re not cheating, why do you have a problem with cutting off contact with your female friends and coworkers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:20 PM
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Expecting that you should be able to accuse your partner of doing something heinous with zero fallout or consequences is entitled as fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:14 PM
2

You’re saying this like women choose abusive men *because* they’re abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:01 PM
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But…. It wasn’t? Comphet in a feminist lens is the idea that some queer women throughout history have experienced societal pressures that result in them acting heterosexual - marrying men, having children with men, and living life without ever dating women - which is actually well documented and not “feminist nonsense.” That’s like saying that the fact that women sometimes disguised themselves as men to fight in wars or become doctors is “feminist nonsense.” It’s a fact. The way it was being spu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:40 PM
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It was actually RP/blackpill dudes using it to say “all women are liars!!! women don’t like men!!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:37 PM
3

Thank god
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:37 PM
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I wouldn’t say men benefit *more* than women. In an ideal partnership it’s equal. That being said marriage offers certain security to both parties that, in some cases, ensures that a woman isn’t going to be left destitute and parenting solo in the case of a divorce. Thinking about my own parents, my dad cheated and walked out, if they hadn’t been legally married my mom wouldn’t have been able to file for child support and alimony as easily. After having multiple children close in age and having …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:37 PM
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Why is this always about paternity? If a woman who has been faithful is suddenly accused of lying and having planned to lie indefinitely, is she not supposed to react? Is the problem that most women won’t “yes dear, your accusation doesn’t hurt my feelings and make me seriously doubt the integrity of our relationship” when they’re accused of something so awful? Women don’t have unchecked power.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:22 PM
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Neither should men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:34 PM
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If a woman hesitates on a DNA test she’s probably processing a lot of emotions regarding being accused of lying about something so big.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:30 PM
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I love the Dr. Strange run that starts in 2015. And there’s this series from last year called TAMA that I really enjoyed. Blackest Night is probably my favorite DC comic - also a big Green Lantern fan ahaha. These days I mostly keep up with Marvel comics, it’s a bit silly but there’s been a lot of Godzilla crossovers that have been really fun as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 10:31 AM
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Please show me where I said this only happens to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:23 PM
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Under this system women would be ruinously punished for saying no to sex. Women would, as a whole, stop getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:09 AM
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So you think being able to rape people is an advantage? You’re clearly lacking in some reading comprehension. Women who give up careers but are eligible for child support are not at an advantage - that’s basically achieving equilibrium. Don’t like it? Don’t date or marry someone who wants kids. Don’t date or marry someone who wants to be a SAHM. Problem solved. You want men to have more privilege over women. You don’t want things to be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:27 PM
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If contractually enforced rape was suddenly a part of traditional marriage, the divorce rate would skyrocket and women would probably stop getting married en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:24 PM
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Sure buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:19 PM
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Right, alimony (which is awarded in 10% of divorces) and child support (to take care of kids) are such huge legal advantages in a marriage. /s Women are more likely than men to sacrifice career progression and earning potential due to being the ones to have kids. Women are also more likely to be initially awarded primary custody (which is the real “”legal advantage”” but you’re not even concerned with that evidently) so like, you think it’s some kind of advantage to require the other parent to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:19 PM
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What legal advantages do women have that men don’t in a marriage? Also, being able to get away with rape is the kind of thing that only the most vile of men would consider an improvement. Most men don’t want to rape their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:08 PM
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So you think having the right to rape your wife is a valid ask in return for potentially having to pay alimony or child support?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:50 PM
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Lmao what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:45 PM
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Idk man this makes me think you just need to spend less time online in spaces like this. The average man and the average woman can both live complete, social, happy lives. The difference is that women are more friendly to other women, and men are not nearly as friendly to one another. You can make a difference by instigating friendships with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:40 PM
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Kratos is ugly as fuck. Why is it okay to have an ugly male lead but not an ugly female lead?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:16 PM
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Idk man I read comic books and play video games. I don’t really consume any sexual media. I think your perception of this comes from the fact that women and girls tend to like media that portrays social scenarios and situations. Sex kind of comes with that territory. Like euphoria for example. More popular with women. Features sex and relationships prominently. It kind of just comes with the territory. Now I think you’re also forgetting that something like 90% of men watch porn regularly. Seems …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:13 PM
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Fuck no. That’s sexual slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:11 PM
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You have concerns about people who try to be nice to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:11 PM
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No, you said: Okay so because a few egotistical machos say stuff about men and women's gender roles, it's okay to generalize about murder and rape???
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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So why are you under this other person’s comment, who didn’t say that, accusing them of doing what ONE other person in this thread is doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:01 PM
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If you limit the data to intimate partner violence it is pretty close. If you talk about murder in general, men commit far more murders statistically. In 2024 in the U.S., 1,902 women were convicted of murder, meanwhile 13,469 men were convicted of murder. Once again, if we broaden the scope of sexual assault, 81% of women have reported experiencing it in their lifetime - 43% of men can say the same. And I wouldn’t be shocked if much of that 43% has come from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:56 PM
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Nobody. Is generalizing about murder and rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:49 PM
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They say men are not lonely enough or men need to die in more wars. Show me how many women say this. It sure as shit ain’t all of us. The fact that women can do this means that they don’t feel empathy for men, that they are don’t consider men humans. Sure…. the ones who say more men need to die in wars don’t feel empathy for men. But 99% of women aren’t saying that shit. Misogyny and misandry both exist and are bad. But to act like misandry is worse when misogyny is literally encoded into law in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:29 PM
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So you should get to dictate what other people should and shouldn’t do? So if a guy wants to give his seat to a woman he shouldn’t, because Reddit user AsuraXone has an issue with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:47 PM
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Advocating against giving your seat to pregnant or elderly people doesn’t make you some hero of men’s rights, it just makes you seem like a jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:38 PM
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But lots of women don’t stay with people for those reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:53 AM
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Who are “those individuals ?” I think most people are lonely and would love to make new friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:25 PM
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A lot of women don’t find it acceptable when a man joins a hobby club and leers at every woman there instead of trying to enjoy the hobby while expanding his social circle. Joining a club or social group and hoping to pick someone up there is not the best approach. Going to make friends, expand your social circle, and meet new potential partners is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:16 PM
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Making new friends is difficult for Gen Z adults, yes. I am a Gen Z adult. Harder ≠ socially unacceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:14 PM
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Bro really said making new friends isn’t socially acceptable
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:54 PM
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Joining a run club is acceptable. Trying new hobbies is acceptable. All of these things are socially acceptable as long as you aren’t a fucking creep about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:53 PM
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So what happens if you break up with someone who was a provider? Do you get an allowance that you can set aside to stay afloat until you meet a new provider or get a job again?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:06 PM
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You brought it up. Can you not see how rape and sexual assault data might impact dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:20 PM
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Long fuckin time. Worth it imo. In the past I had a partner who was straight up addicted to it and it sucked. Removing it from the equation makes things so much better
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:24 PM
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So what about all the women who just don’t date out of safety concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:32 PM
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Lots of women watch porn. Those that don’t oftentimes feel social pressure to “be cool” and to accept it even if they don’t like that their partner watches it. Me personally I do think it’s gross and I don’t watch it, and I waited until I met someone that feels the same way about it. Prevents any underlying resentment in our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:30 PM
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So why do attractive men frequently date fat women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:28 PM
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I think most women would probably say they end up with a guy they actually desire. Otherwise why tf would you stay with someone if you didn’t even like them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:09 AM
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You spend an entire post complaining about how women have standards and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:33 AM
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Why do you expect any dating advice that’s blasted online to be tailored to YOU specifically? Shit like “be yourself, be nice, work hard” works for most people - which is why it gets lumped in with BP. If you want specific dating advice talk to people you know irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:43 PM
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So women aren’t allowed to have standards or preferences?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:21 PM
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First 😼
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 08:12 PM
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The likeable options that attacked me? Tried to pressure me into something I wasn’t comfortable with? Those are likeable options?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:42 PM
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So what is this based off of? A scenario you made up in your head based off of your envy of women? I don’t have much solo travel experience but I have never had the experience you said all women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:33 PM
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People assume I’m a lesbian but I’m actually bi. I assure you, I get by just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:22 PM
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I think this is a bit of a reductive take on something that is on a macro level. More men want to date and have sex with women than the reverse. It creates an imbalance. Meaning, if having someone who will pay for dates all the time is important to a woman, she can more easily hold out for that, whereas if a guy has the same expectation, he’s likely not going to have enough options to even think about it. Men, as a whole, as a society, make dating harder, because tons of them want to have casual…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:14 PM
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we’re supposed to have endless compassion for every minuscule problem a woman might encounter and act as their disposable servants. Who is telling you this? Where are you getting this from? Nobody expects you to act like a servant?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:11 PM
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Where did I lie? If you identify as liberal or progressive, that label doesn’t by default make you queer, or attracted to non-heteronormative people. How is that a lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:58 PM
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Progressive doesn’t mean non-heterosexual/normative by default. It also doesn’t mean that people are obligated to date you if they aren’t attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:46 PM
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I am a conventionally unattractive woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:51 PM
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It depends on what your definition of optimal is. If sex is the only goal, cheating is optimal. If staying married to the person you swore to love forever is the goal, therapy, working on communication, and trying to reduce their mental load is optimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:09 PM
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all stats show that most women hate men Source for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:41 PM
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So you and OP are in disagreement, because OP said: >These women have just as much access to relationships as well. It is significantly easier for a fat woman to get sex and RELATIONSHIP than a fat man to get any. Argue with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:30 PM
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When I was single and on the dating apps, probably about 75% of my matches just didn’t respond to me. Of the 25% that did, about 20% were just looking for hookups. I went on first dates with most of the 5%. One stood me up, two tried to pressure me into sex on the first date, one assaulted me, and one dumped me for a girl that he told me was way hotter than me. I had a good few first dates with the guy who I am now in a relationship with. Yes. I had more options than the average man does. But mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:16 PM
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I don’t agree that sex is “not pleasant at best,” and I think maybe that speaks to your choice in partners more than anything else. The main reasons women don’t seek out casual sex at the same rate as men are social stigmas, physical safety, and pregnancy risk. If we could somehow address all 3, I suppose things would even out somewhat. Other than that, I agree with you. Certain men tend to think that sex = dating, and that women by default have it easier because it’s easier for women to get sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:09 PM
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“Not worth it” implies that making any effort to stay together won’t pay off in a justifiable way. Yes, it needs to be seen in context - but the way you painted this scenario is what I’m commenting on. You said “communicating with his wife,” and “doing therapy,” and “chores” are a waste of time. All are fairly normal parts of relationships. You mean to tell us that communicating with your partner and doing your fair share of housework are a waste of your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:06 PM
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>It is also worth noting that women across a wide range of physical characteristics — including those who are overweight, underweight, bald, disabled, short, tall, or otherwise outside conventional beauty ideals — often still retain access to dating, sexual, and relationship opportunities. Many men are willing to pursue and value women who do not fit idealized standards of attractiveness. Men will pursue conventionally unattractive women for sex. Not for dating. I find that men sometimes have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:03 PM
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I don’t have kids yet but I went through a major depressive episode earlier this year. Didn’t have sex for a little bit. I’m so glad my boyfriend didn’t think “man she isn’t worth it to me anymore” because he doesn’t just see me as holes lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:59 PM
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>drop the entitlement and date at her own level I find it so interesting that this is such a common sentiment. In this hypothetical, Chad wants the fat lady too. So is it really entitled that they want to date each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:58 PM
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>a woman who is not worth it at that point. So hypothetically, if you have a wife who just had your child, and as a result there is a dip in your sex life, she’s no longer worth it to you because she isn’t giving you sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:45 PM
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And yet the guy I wound up with is the one who planned romantic dates, told me from the get go that he really liked me, and was very open about the fact that he wanted to keep seeing me. Not the one who took days to text me back, or the one who let me know I was just someone on the roster. Or the one who made me plan everything, or the one who wouldn’t drive out to see me but expected me to drive out to see him. Playing mind games isn’t something that is widely appealing. While I do think you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:34 PM
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You don’t have to chase women. “The chase” is something that honestly should die out - it’s desperate, and it normalizes an imbalance of attraction while also pushing the idea that you should ignore it when a woman says no or isn’t interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:22 PM
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Yes. I have multiple male friends that I have known for years. My oldest friend is a guy I’ve known since we were 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:50 PM
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Amen to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:57 PM
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But it’s not? I said women who have been traumatized by men are justified in being cautious around men. I didn’t say it’s okay to “other” men, or to treat men poorly. You’re willfully misconstruing what I’m saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:18 PM
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So nobody in the sex work industry is ever a victim of trafficking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 09:11 PM
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IIRC the Obama administration tried and the GOP shut it down. Men overwhelmingly supported the GOP in 2016, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:10 PM
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Until the stigma around women who have a lot of sex outside of relationships is completely dismantled, this is not a valid solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:55 PM
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People who have trauma are allowed to have reactions that we might not understand or think are rational. That’s part of trauma processing, and it’s on the individual to manage how they handle their trauma within the confines of society. Nobody has the right to be mean to people. Nobody has the right to treat an entire group of people like criminals or liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:45 PM
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I was groped by a stranger when I was a minor. Since then, I take extra precaution to leave a little distance between me and men that I don’t know. I don’t vilify men online. I don’t think all men are evil, I dont think all men are going to hurt me. I have a loving boyfriend and many male friends. I think my taking precaution is valid. If I were telling women they should all pepper spray men that approach them, that would be a different story. Men who villainize all women, tell other men they sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:44 PM
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There’s a difference between experiencing attraction to women, and going out of your way to consume porn of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:47 PM
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As long as women have a timeline on abortions, there needs to be a timeline on paper abortions. If a woman has to abort by 6 weeks, once that window has passed, no paper abortions. If abortions are cut off at 12 weeks, same thing. I feel very strongly that children all deserve committed, prepared, and enthusiastic parents, and allowing abortions gives more kids a shot at having that. But it needs to be equal, because if paper abortions are whenever a man wants while a woman is limited to when sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:46 PM
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Being into women isn’t objectification and I don’t think people really argue that it is? Regardless, your definition of objectification isn’t THE definition of objectification. Objectification doesn’t mean seeing someone as a literal object, it means treating someone as a commodity or a tool, disregarding their humanity. For example, a woman that only dates men for their money. She’s probably well aware that the men she’s dating have thoughts, feelings, and desires. She just doesn’t care. It’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:37 PM
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I do think there’s an enormous difference between women who have been violently attacked by men acting more cautiously around men and the women who fuel RP though. One is fueled by legitimate trauma and fear, while the other is less legitimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:31 PM
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I’m aware of how a tiny fraction of women help power RP ideology and content online. Most women don’t, and have no hand in RP nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:03 PM
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You forgot to mention that almost nobody campaigns on the platform of draft equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:06 PM
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What’s honest about victim blaming, assuming people are fucking stupid all the time, and going out of your way to give your opinions even when it’s just not nice or necessary? This whole post reeks of “let men be mean to women!!” Like do whatever you want. I don’t care. But people are allowed to not like it when you’re fucking rude
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:20 AM
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We do not have to agree on this. You can think my line of thought is erroneous, and I can think yours is too. The reason I think the consent is different between those two is the fact that, at least in my neck of the woods, sex work is illegal, not regulated, and, by extension, rife with human trafficking. Several young women have vanished only to turn up dead and linked to the industry in the time I’ve lived where I live. So yeah. I don’t think a young woman freely agreeing to date an older wea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:06 AM
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I’ll say it again - where the fuck did I ever say that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:29 PM
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Where the fuck did I ever say that lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:23 PM
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Ok. We don’t have to agree on this. I just prefer not to date people who don’t share the same views on consent. That’s kind of just it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:20 PM
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Isn’t this just straight misandry? Saying that men are no better than animals and that man-on-man violence is normal and we should accept it, because it’s communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:10 PM
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Justifying being mean to women by claiming you’re mean to men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:07 PM
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Consenting to sex is very different from consenting to other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:06 PM
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Someone who willingly goes out to try to pay for sex is consenting to paying money. Not having it taken. Paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:39 PM
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What’s more honest than punching someone in the face ? Genuinely what the fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:28 PM
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Yes, my thoughts exactly. The kind of person who is totally okay with having sex with someone that doesn’t 100% want to have sex with them is not the kind of person I want to be in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:16 PM
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No. The real reason is that I don’t think you’re getting full consent when you pay someone to have sex with you, and I wouldn’t want to date or have sex with someone who thought that was okay. As I explicitly said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:15 PM
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So men really shouldn’t be speaking on women’s sexuality perhaps? The whole point of the post is to show how stupid the “straight women aren’t real!!!” trend in here is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:30 PM
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Calling a video with 28k views “widely popular” is like saying you’re a renowned author for writing this post that will probably not amass as many views. Regardless, what’s the issue with this video? Women’s autonomy over our bodies isn’t treated as a natural right - we are constantly in flux in regards to what governments will ALLOW us to do, and what we are not allowed to do. The same has never been said of men. This video exists as an extreme reversal of what women experience. If it makes you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:03 PM
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Everyone’s calling this bait but it shows how dumb the reverse argument is. Straight people who are straight and say they’re straight are straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:58 PM
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Ok? But how does that translate to the real world? We don’t have the existing knowledge to produce artificial wombs. What makes you think that AI will be able to somehow create that knowledge if it only generates based off stuff that humans have already produced? Btw, it can’t reliably generate images of hands. Can confirm. Literally saw someone try it today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:46 PM
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Brother, AI can’t even cite a source or generate an image of someone with normal hands. Do you actually believe that it’s going to somehow create artificial wombs in the next 50 years??
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:10 PM
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40% and 25% are still minorities. Not “the average”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:05 PM
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I think the waters of consent are muddied when you introduce money and a power dynamic. If a woman wouldn’t normally consent to sex with a person, but the person offers money in exchange for sex, that consent isn’t 100% freely given. There’s an incentive to have sex that wouldn’t normally be there. If someone has had a lot of partners but hasn’t paid for sex, they probably have always received total, enthusiastic consent from everyone they’ve boned. That’s not to say that I’d personally be okay …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:38 PM
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I try not to see it that way. I learned a lot about myself and about what I want in a partner from my ex. I learned a lot about what I can and can’t tolerate from dating around when I was newly single. I feel like my current relationship is much stronger and healthier because of all that I got from my past experiences. The version of myself that I have now is more mature and well rounded and frankly a better partner
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:35 AM
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It’s really not that complicated. You made a choice to cheat on your wife. There’s never a valid reason to do so. I hope you’re either now separated or you treat her better. What a terrible thing to do to someone you swore to honor and love eternally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:29 AM
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I think almost all could agree that almost all confrontation between men has an underlying threat of violence. So you can see where women are coming from when we say men can be really threatening? like that won’t immediately label you a loser and get outgrouped by the very people you’re trying to educate. So you’d rather let misogyny and sexism slide because you don’t want to be a social outcast? That’s fine, but do you see that that’s kind of the problem? Too many men are afraid of being seen a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:09 AM
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Yup. I’m not sure why OP seems to think it’s reductive or mean to date around until you find someone that’s right for you. Why should anyone stay with someone that they don’t align with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:43 AM
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I’m not sure I understand your question. People are allowed to date, to figure out what they want in a relationship and who they’re compatible with. Why should anyone, man or woman, feel guilty for dating until they find someone that’s right for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:16 AM
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I have a few friends that I will cuddle and hold hands with sometimes. We’ve never had any romantic involvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 03:06 AM
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Yup. We can disagree, we can recognize both sides, we can work towards a better world together. People like this who are super gung ho about “gender politics” are only making matters worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:15 PM
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So feminists should all be shamed for the actions of a few? What about RP/the manosphere creating Elliot Rodger? The rape academy? Alek Minassian? Andrew Tate? You must individually face consequences for their actions if all feminists have to face consequences for the actions of Amber Heard and whoever else you mentioned. If feminism as a whole has to be questioned due to the actions of a cherry-picked few, the same goes for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 09:12 PM
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So every person who identifies as a feminist is nasty? 58% of women worldwide are nasty? Based on what? If you take such issue with feminism as a concept then say that. If you have seen a select few bad feminists then point that out. “All feminists are nasty and mean so I will be nasty and mean” makes it sooooo fucking hard to take people like you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 08:20 PM
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Counter things you don’t like or agree with by being nasty and antisocial? That’s a great solution. If you’re 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:57 PM
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Lmfao what? I didn’t treat anyone like a hive mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:56 PM
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But you’re missing my point. How am I treating someone like a criminal if I’m cautious or if I politely decline to engage with them? How is that punishing anyone? I’m not hurting anyone. I’m not depriving anyone of their rights. I’m not punishing anyone. I don’t understand how me disliking cold approaches and me being nervous around strange men after the experiences I’ve had is punishing anyone. I don’t think all men are creeps. I don’t think every single man in the world is going to be like tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:21 PM
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If you don’t want men to be treated as a monolith then why do you think you can treat feminism the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:50 PM
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So platonic physical affection doesn’t exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:39 PM
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You’re racist if you think acting cautiously around strangers is okay, according to him I think?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:38 PM
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“Women say x” “women say y” women aren’t all a hive mind. Some women don’t want to be approached at bars or clubs. Some women go out hoping to be hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:30 PM
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I literally said that I don’t think it happens every time and that every man is going to be a creep. I think you’re intentionally misunderstanding my argument to try to paint me as something that I’m not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:28 PM
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I read some study somewhere that said young adults nowadays have social circles that are 1/3 the size of the ones our parents had. Can’t remember if that was the exact number or not but it was around there. The world has moved online and it feels wrong because that’s not how we’re supposed to operate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:35 PM
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I think you touched on the most important point - the social institutions that we used to connect within are gone, or are inaccessible, or have moved online. Too often when I hear discourse about approaching women or just people in general I think people forget that bars used to be where you’d go linger after work, more people went out clubbing or dancing or to events, and the “cold approaches” that happened there were not as cold as we think now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:23 PM
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So if a man comes up to me and tries to start a conversation I’m not allowed to remove myself or say no because I’m “treating him like a criminal” otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:09 PM
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Yup. I think women everywhere would be 10000% fine being cold approached if everyone could take no for an answer
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:08 PM
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To me, a cold approach is somewhere that isn’t really social - a few examples that I think of are train stations, stores, the gym, work, basically anywhere that people aren’t voluntarily going to spend a lot of time and talk to people - and is done pretty much cold. As in, stranger walks up, says hi, starts a conversation that is pretty clearly meant to be a pick up. A warm approach is either in those places BUT with someone you already know, or in a more social setting - bar, club, social outin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:04 PM
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I’m not treating strange men like criminals though? I’m not advocating for them to be thrown in jail. I’m not advocating for all women to pepper spray men the second they say hi. I’m explaining why I don’t like being cold approached. I’ve also been followed home, followed in a grocery store, followed to work, have had someone wait outside my dorm room after I politely declined them, and been grabbed or touched inappropriately and nonconsensually by people who “cold approached” me. Why doesn’t my…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:58 PM
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How is me being cautious around men that I don’t know “punishing” anyone? Am I punishing my neighbors by locking my doors at night? Am I punishing everyone at the bar if I keep a close eye on my drink? Am I punishing everyone else at work when I lock my car after getting out? Am I punishing my boyfriend when I ask him to wear a condom?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:56 PM
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I’m genuinely curious to see the responses. I think men don’t like feeling generalized- it sucks when someone assumes that you will do certain things or act a certain way, but a lot of women have had genuinely terrifying experiences being approached. When I was 19 and in college, a man approached me at a train station. I politely engaged with him in conversation when he complimented my shoes, but he then moved on to complimenting my body and telling me what he’d like to do to it. I moved away an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:16 PM
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First 🥇
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:12 PM
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So you’ve seen a few women do that… and suddenly we all do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:42 PM
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We could use the same argument to explain how men’s rights activists subsidize extremism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:30 PM
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How many accounts does this guy have
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:25 AM
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Yeah, please don’t come try to hit on me when I’m at the grocery store, thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:46 AM
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So then you’re a misogynist, if you genuinely do not see that MRA spaces are rife with misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:33 PM
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Calling me a misandrist because I self identify as a feminist. Nice. You just proved my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 10:21 PM
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BP doesn’t claim to have dating solutions. BP is just “not RP.” I’ll say it again though - the people I’ve met irl that follow the RP are the most single motherfuckers I’ve ever met. The normal people (the blue pill people) are the ones that date and fuck and generally don’t spend hundreds of hours watching videos on gender politics and advocating for women to lower their standards
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 09:51 PM
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Yes, reality. Because truth be told, if RP had any shred of truth or applicability to it, everyone who subscribes to it would be getting exactly what they want. And they aren’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:22 PM
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My opinion is based off of living in the real world and interacting with a wide variety of people. Many people I know who have fallen down the RP hole are single, unhappy, and mean. Everyone else is… normal. Fine, even. All the RP bullshit lives almost exclusively online, and the people who “take the red pill” are usually the ones who are terminally unlucky with dating. If you’re going to sit and watch hundreds of hours of bitter, angry men telling you how they think the world works, instead of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:17 PM
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Maybe don’t date people who treat sex and money like rewards for anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:07 PM
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From the real world? Real interactions with people? Actually dating and learning about humans that way instead of watching hundreds of hours of people telling me how they think the world works?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:19 PM
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>This is the most prosperous and supportive time to have children in the history of the species. People just don’t want kids. Not necessarily true. Two major reasons people cite beyond just not wanting kids are financial reasons, and concerns about the state of the world. Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/25/reasons-adults-give-for-not-having-children/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:09 PM
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So why is it on the vague boogeyman of “teh feminists1!” to find a solution? Why don’t you have any ideas about how to resolve this “dating crisis?” There is already a solution btw - make having kids affordable and appealing enough. The days of women being forced into motherhood are over, and aren’t coming back. Most new grads cannot find work, most people are living paycheck to paycheck. Most people do not have the means to comfortably raise a child and will not bring a child willingly into a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:02 PM
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Why should we do those things before stuff like state-subsidized food for starving kids or state-subsidized healthcare for everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:59 PM
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Attraction is complex and based on many factors. If it seems like people can’t “get their story straight” it’s because attraction varies between people. That’s pretty much the basis of BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:44 PM
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I don’t think the comparison is quite the same? Because it’s objectively not the case that all men are that obsessed with women and female validation. Plenty of guys voluntarily choose to not date. Plenty of guys have their own hobbies and interests that are completely devoid of women and/or just aren’t done for the sake of women. Fixating so hard on anything that it becomes the only thing you think about is pretty objectively unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:40 PM
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I’m not a man, but I know that paying for sex oftentimes doesn’t scratch the same itch, at least that’s what I’ve heard people say. Sure, if you just want to get laid, paying for it is sometimes the easiest way to do that, but an escort isn’t going to genuinely desire you, care for you, grow old with you, etc etc etc. I do agree that men sometimes over prioritize female attention though, sometimes to the point where every activity they do and every effort they make is all solely for the purpose …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:29 PM
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I think it’s interesting how your “mirror analogy” is just reality - the boogeyman feminists are always to blame, feminism is always bad, anyone who says they’re a feminist is immediately held in suspicion, at least in many online circles. Additionally, the term “manosphere” was coined by a man. Additionally, if I go peruse any “Manosphere” associated spaces, regardless of how “deep” they go, I can almost instantly find people blaming everything on women, advocating against women’s rights, and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:21 PM
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I think intentionally withholding sex instead of having an honest conversation about it is weird behavior tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:35 PM
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>There was a time where people would make connections and easily meet new people irl, whether it’s in a cafe or a library or a park or a gym or just about anywhere. >Now we’re in a time where it’s more normalized to hit up someone on social media rather than walking up to them irl. Do you think this has anything to do with the fact that we don’t have as many third spaces as we used to, we collectively are working more than ever for less pay, and everyone has an attention-monopolizing supercomput…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:27 PM
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No, tell us what you want. How do you plan on organizing and radicalizing with no coherent goal besides “be annoying until we get what we want?”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:17 PM
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What do you want them to give you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:11 PM
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So you need convicted human traffickers and a known pedophile rapist to get what you want? What is the goal? What is “the change?” Because when you frame it this way and say “we need men like Andrew Tate” the message you’re sending is not a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:06 PM
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I’ve never heard of this woman in my life. Most feminists have probably never heard of this woman in their lives. Can we argue that RP is a cult because you blindly support Andrew Tate even after he was outed as a human trafficker?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:03 PM
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Selling men’s bodies to women is an unviable business model because women aren’t like men. Men objectify women’s bodies which is why you can sell the female body but not the male. It’s not autosexuality because you don’t like it. Men and women are different and experience sexuality differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:00 PM
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A man is still the target for most woken …. You just don’t think it’s the right way because it’s less about “oooh penis” and more “I bet sex with this man would be great” I’ve said this on another thread on this topic but the inability to recognize that men and women are different and the insistence on “women are lying about their sexuality” tells me that you aren’t actually interested in discussing the differences in male vs female sexuality, and you’d rather “women bad” all day
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:21 AM
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>object oriented sexuality So your entire argument is that because women don’t *objectify* men like men do to us, none of us are straight? Instead of recognizing that men and women are different, all women are liars because we don’t act like men? Have you consumed every piece of women’s erotica? How do you know that it’s all “autogynephilic?” What is your definition of autogynephilic?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:03 AM
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Is it not a worthwhile debate? Or is it just that the logic you apply to women’s heterosexuality in order to try to render it a lie in your own mind does the same to men’s heterosexuality? Why does so much straight porn center on the worship of penises? Why is it that dudes will watch POV blowjob porn and get off to it? If a woman getting off to porn of a woman experiencing pleasure isn’t straight, isn’t a man getting off to porn of a man experiencing pleasure not straight either?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:55 AM
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Why does most straight porn feature a man’s dick getting sucked for an extended period and then shows him hitting and choking women? Seems like most “straight” men are only aroused by dicks and violence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:50 AM
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>Red flags are not always before the relationship starts, they can also develop over time. I’m so glad someone said this. I find that a lot of folks are thinking that “red flags” are always 100% visible - not only can certain red flags go undiscussed for a long time, red flags as a whole are just the visible bad signs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:41 AM
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It would have to be a pretty significant difference to make me want to become fully dependent on a man. Even if it was like 20+ years of difference, the odds of me being able to live off of one shared income with my partner and kids are very small and getting smaller by the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:18 AM
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So you must have extensive experience dating men, if you can tell that their red flags are always easy to spot?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:13 AM
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So because female heterosexuality isn’t beat-for-beat the exact same as male heterosexuality, it has to be sexual narcissism… instead of just something that can be somewhat different between men and women? >I think this is the most complete and logical explanation, taking into account all the strange points and inconsistencies Except you’re completely disregarding what straight women have to say about the topic, and you’re dismissing it because it doesn’t fit with your experience of heterosexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:12 AM
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“Women should lower their standards” No.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 04:44 PM
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There is an incredibly huge difference between “not treating someone like a human,” and treating your partner better than you treat most other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:29 AM
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It’s just not true that the “overwhelming majority” of men cannot view women as human beings. Go ask other men in your life if they think women are humans too. You might find that you’re alone on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:59 PM
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You said “guys can’t,” and yet plenty of men are fully able to treat women like human beings because we are all human beings. It sounds to me like you’re projecting because you yourself don’t view women as human, and yet you still want to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:28 PM
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Dehumanizing those that you don’t share experiences with is an incredibly strange argument though. The justification of “we just don’t live the same life” seems like a poor reason. If someone is a different skin color do you not see them as human? What about religion? If someone isn’t in the same socioeconomic class as you do you not view them as a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:04 PM
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So you don’t think you can treat women like humans because you can’t relate to them? By that logic, anyone who hasn’t lived a similar experience to you is completely outside the realm of “human” to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:54 PM
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I don’t think it’s that they can’t, it’s that they don’t want to defy social norms. That being said, it would be better for everyone if men were more emotionally open with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:53 PM
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If I had a dollar for every time a man thought that every single woman could orgasm from penetration alone, I’d be very wealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:18 PM
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And so do you, considering you think spending your precious free time being nasty to strangers online is a worthwhile endeavor.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:36 AM
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Men are for real the biggest misandrists
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:35 AM
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Once again, can we not just recognize that abuse is bad, not all victims knew that their partner would become abusive, and that we should collectively condemn abuse without getting misogynistic? I mean really, men are victims too. It’s baffling to me how much energy people will expend on placing any blame possible on women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:13 AM
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Sometimes I want my boyfriend to pound me into the mattress, sometimes I want it slow and romantic. Some women are more sensitive downstairs and the sensation of getting pounded can be painful or just uncomfortable. Others like it a lot. But I feel like overall it’s no surprise that you should just communicate with your partner and ask them what they want during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:48 AM
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Nah, you’d be surprised how many men there are who are anti-porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:58 AM
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Well, at least you’re consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:51 AM
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Do you say the same thing to male victims of abuse? Or are you just anti-women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:46 AM
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Do we? Or do we let the youth know that, while they may never find the partner that perfectly aligns with their dreams and ideals, pursuing human connection might lead them to a person that they can build a beautiful life with, struggle with, cry with, and grow with? I don’t understand why you think that telling young men and boys that they will never find their ideal partner is the way. That’s kind of just black pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:40 AM
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And most women can’t get close enough to their ideal partner and dynamic to make it worth many of the struggles they endure to date men and maintain their affection. So what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:35 AM
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Bad people can often hide their true nature for a long time, or they don’t develop abusive behaviors until later on. Maybe we should just recognize that abuse is bad without bringing misogyny into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:31 AM
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I love that I stopped dating men that watch porn so this isn’t even a thing on my mind anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:22 AM
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Ah yes, let’s keep blaming women for men’s shitty behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:21 AM
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So if I said “the default is being Asian” you’d agree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:44 PM
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“All women are lying because I can’t wrap my brain around the fact that men and women are different.” Your inability to comprehend that male and female sexuality doesn’t make it so that 4 billion people are liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:00 PM
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>Male patterned attraction is genuinely the default No, it isn’t. There is no default.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:41 PM
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The way to fix the problem is for people to stop using dating apps. Men and women have been complaining about them ever since they all took more profit-oriented approaches (RIP to the Okcupid questionnaire) and the reason they don’t improve is because this model makes them lots of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:15 PM
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I think people get hung up on compatible vs ideal a lot of the time but yeah, the nuance here is important. Women who like sex will have sex, meanwhile purity culture dictates that these women are not good partners, and insecure men don’t like the idea of dating someone who has had sex before. So men will seek out virgins and get pikachu shocked face when they aren’t willing to have freaky kinky sex on demand, or they don’t initiate, or they don’t know what they like and feel shy about communica…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:03 PM
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High visual arousal is something that men are more likely to experience. Once again, you’re framing it as men’s sexuality = good and women’s sexuality = wrong. There are tons of high libido women. It’s also a spectrum, and one that couples often navigate and find compromise on. For women it also changes throughout our lives, hell even throughout our days and weeks. No hetero couple has ever had every single sexual interaction be a spontaneous affair where both partners simultaneously jumped the …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:48 PM
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But this goes both ways. Most people are never, ever going to find a partner that perfectly mirrors their sexual preferences. There’s a reason why people masturbate. Hell, most people are never even going to find someone that ticks all of their boxes or that they’re 100% compatible with. It’s also not “leading someone on” when you say that there are significant variances in terms of sexual desire across all women. The way you put it makes it seem like you think that men should settle for sexuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 05:13 PM
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Except it isn’t “informing” people when you try to push the point that any woman who claims to be straight is just lying to you. Once again, we aren’t having conversations about male vs female sexuality, this is “women are wrong because they aren’t like men” and “when women say they’re straight, they’re lying.” I care to push back because women are oftentimes very sexual. You don’t hear about sexually compatible couples, because they don’t go online and complain about not getting laid as much as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I imagine one of the RP talking heads proposed this theory and it’s making its way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:24 PM
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It’s not a TERF narrative to say that most women are cis. And it’s not “reducing women to a uterus” to point out that there are hormonal differences between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:10 PM
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What’s so crazy to me is the fact that there’s been a ton of posts like this recently, and it all centers on the fact that you simply cannot even wrap your brain around the fact that men and women are different, and it trends that men and women sometimes experience sexuality in different ways. The discernible difference between heterosexual women and asexual women is sexual attraction. Heterosexual women are sexually attracted to men. Asexual women are not sexually attracted to anybody. Heterose…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:52 PM
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BP = anything that isn’t RP. So, considering the fact that recent data shows only around 31% of all adults are single, I think BP is probably doing just fine. Also, I’m a woman. I’m allowed to say bitch
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:26 PM
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I find that I’m mostly attracted to nerdy guys. I don’t feel like this has ever limited my dating options because there are a wide variety of people who fit my type, as it’s not one that’s governed by physical features or personalities. I’ve also dated people who did not fit my type, and was still attracted to those people. I think I developed this type because it aligns with who I am, and my hobbies. I like that my boyfriend is into video games because I am too - it’s easy for us to find someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:14 PM
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Yeah, a lot of guys would self-identify as feminists if it weren’t for the name. In fact I’ve met several guys who explicitly said feminism isn’t promoting equality “because it has feminine in the name,” despite clarifying that they are ideologically aligned with feminism and equality in general. Mainstream feminism oftentimes has a bad reputation because it’s like claiming a religious identity - anyone can *say* they’re a feminist, and there are a lot of people who self-identify as feminists, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:09 PM
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Some women care about those things. For some women, it’s the most important thing. Others don’t care. Y’all want to believe that all women are terribly shallow because in your minds, it soothes the pain of loneliness. Because if you can define all women as shallow, it feels easier to explain why you as individuals have no luck. So instead of reflecting on what might be making you an unpleasant person to be around, you spiral into misogynistic views and cruel generalizations, and for maybe a tiny…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:00 AM
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While you’re right, I think a lot of RP guys place zero value on relationships and would rather stick to just having casual sex with women who have low enough self esteem to fall for the standard tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 04:18 AM
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And here, we can observe yet another man who can fully recognize that RP is bad advice, and yet will still extol its virtues because it justifies saying nasty and untrue shit about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:56 AM
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So it’s good advice, but it doesn’t work, and is almost impossible to achieve… which makes it bad advice. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:49 AM
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So red pill advice doesn’t work. By your own explanation. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:44 AM
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If red pill advice works so well, why do so many red pill men get no bitches?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 03:40 AM
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There’s no point in engaging with you if you’re going to decide that you can say the data is whatever you want it to be in order to support your argument. That’s not debating in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:48 AM
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Do you have a source for your 50% claim? Because everything I can find shows that that number is much lower. People are already willingly becoming teachers. People are willingly staying in the profession. There is no entitlement to saying that kids should have access to education. What’s more entitled is suggesting that everyone that comes after you shouldn’t have access to the same things you had handed to you for free. I never said housing or education were primary needs. You’re hallucinating.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:40 AM
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The mortality rate for unhoused people is 3.5x greater than the mortality rate for housed people. So yes, people who go without housing die from lack of housing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:36 AM
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If sex was truly necessary, people who voluntarily go without it would die. Similarly to how people who starve themselves die.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:20 AM
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Recent data suggests that nearly 7 in 10 adults report feelings of isolation, loneliness, and lack of fulfillment. That’s a bigger problem than, again, a minority of men not getting enough sex for their tastes. Saying “kids should have access to education” is not “I am entitled to other people’s labor.” Those are two completely different sentences and I am not sure how you mental gymnastics-ed your way from what I said to an entirely new sentence with an entirely different meaning. The lowest ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 01:12 AM
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So you think we should stop educating and housing everyone because some men can’t get laid? As one of the people who provides the services, I don’t think it’s entitled to suggest that we should educate kids. There’s all kinds of data about how poorly educated societies often fall into fascism or even just disarray. A lack of public education creates a societal stratification that leads to much bigger issues than the minority of men not getting laid. “Just carry it with you” is the kind of statem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:52 AM
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I never said your housing situation was relevant to getting a job, but actually now that you mention it, it is. You can’t vote without an address to be registered by, and you cannot safely store legal documents like a birth certificate or social security card if you’re unhoused. Legal documents that, in many cases, you need to be able to provide for employment reasons. Sure, you don’t need an education for every job under the sun. There are plenty of jobs out there that don’t require a bachelor’…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:28 AM
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Except I’m not arguing for it. You’re twisting my words. “For a lot of guys it’s the same. They get neither” That makes literally zero sense. They aren’t the same thing, even if you are both socially and romantically/sexually lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:20 AM
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People should be owed housing and education because you cannot get a sustainable job without education and you are likely to die by means beyond your own control without housing, at least in some parts of the world. Sex is never a necessity. We know this because people survive without it all the time. Sex is like a six figure career - you might be happier if you have it, but you will survive without it, and you might have to put in effort that other people don’t to achieve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:15 AM
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> Man women will argue tooth and nail for undesirable men to die lonely and miserable. Literally where did I ever say this? You must be hallucinating. > for a significant portion of men it’s the same thing. Sexual frustration and loneliness are two different things. The fact that you can’t differentiate between feeling sexually/romantically unfulfilled and feeling lonely and isolated speaks to the emotional intelligence gap more than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:12 AM
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Ok, and? Ohhh wait, you’re trying to imply that women all objectify men in the ways you’re describing? Because first of all, that’s not true. And even if it were, that’s entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:42 PM
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Lack of sex and loneliness are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:41 PM
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You’re wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 09:39 PM
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There doesn’t exist a specific number of dates that anyone should or shouldn’t have. Where it becomes strange is where it’s strange to the person either going on or not going on said dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:03 PM
1

I’m equally as wrong as the people who are trying to convince you that all women are liars and manipulators? Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:01 PM
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So I’m wrong for pointing out that RP messaging is fraught with negative and misogynistic generalizations about women, because there’s some truth to the misogyny? So what if I said “all men are rapists?” There’s some truth to that, so you can’t criticize that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:41 PM
2

How about the “all women are lying about being straight” nonsense? “Women don’t see you as human if you’re unattractive?” “Women will only love you if you have money” “Women all lie about sexual assault” All shit I’ve seen in RP spaces recently. “But that’s not RP?” Well it’s how people keep representing RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:35 PM
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Men are hornier. Men also have fewer risks associated with sex. Men also are more likely to have sex with people they aren’t attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:12 PM
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Except none of it is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 10:42 AM
2

in my view So this is all just your opinion and it’s based off of no real facts? Goootchaa.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:59 AM
2

Nah, you’re up here just straight up lying. Men talk pretty openly about not being able to orgasm with a partner all the time. Women talk pretty openly about their male partners not being able to orgasm with them all the time. Try again!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:58 AM
2

That’s just straight up not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:45 AM
1

This, as well as the fact that 99% of redpill men are the ones who say the nastiest most fucked up shit about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:45 AM
1

If I was staying at home, I’d just want to be able to go do my own thing every now and then and maybe get dinner and see a movie with my partner every now and then. An expensive night out is nice once in a while, but I also value financial stability and if we were living off one income I’d prefer that we stayed within budget as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:43 AM
2

You know what’s crazy? When I look up the “source” you cited, the only thing that pops up is an AI summary and…. Literally nothing else. Seems like your claim is pretty baseless
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:41 AM
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And men frequently can’t orgasm with a female partner and it gets talked about frequently. And it gets pushed onto the women as well. It’s almost like these phenomena are indicative of a small subset of people, and not representative of human sexuality as a whole. But again, that doesn’t support the narrative that all women are liars, so I’m gonna get downvoted
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:52 AM
2

And most women don’t have trouble orgasming. So what now
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:40 AM
2

And what about all the men who have hardship to orgasm? Or is that not relevant here because it doesn’t push the narrative that all women are liars
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:33 AM
2

So what’s your source for “many women can’t orgasm on their own?” Your head? What about all the guys who have watched so much porn that they can no longer orgasm with a partner? Sounds pretty broken to me
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:34 AM
2

Women are broken Oh, so we’re broken just because we aren’t like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:53 AM
2

Because there’s oftentimes two extremes when it comes to discussing women - either we are placed on a pedestal as the ultimate prize, or we are regarded as being inherently evil. We really are just people, and while it’s okay to desire a partner, it’s not healthy for anyone if you treat us like anything other than a standard issue person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:18 AM
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I’m talking about reciprocating oral. Because there’s not exactly an abundance of men out there willing to exclusively do oral and not receive it, and there’s not exactly a lack of a social stigma around women who have casual hookups even if it is just oral.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:17 AM
2

So, anal or oral? Which can oftentimes be painful for women? And are harder for the average woman to orgasm from?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:52 PM
4

So then you shouldn’t label yourself as straight, but rather “brunettesexual” or “virginsexual” because you aren’t straight. If women can’t claim to be straight if they’re not attracted to every man, then nobody is straight. Also, by your own logic, most men are sexual narcissists. Go on relationship advice or even just talk to a woman who has sex with men and report back with the details on how much their male partners make them orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:47 PM
4

By your own logic, if you aren’t attracted to 100% of the opposite sex then you’re gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:37 PM
1

You’re spiraling and getting off topic. I never once said that it was your responsibility to fix any of that? And I’m not sure why you think that’s a logical conclusion here. I dated a cheater. As soon as I found out I left him. I was told I “should have chosen better” after I told a certain person about my experience. Why do you think that’s an appropriate response to me lamenting about getting cheated on? Obviously women should try to make good choices, and having children with criminals is a …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 11:01 PM
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Have you seen straight porn? Have you seen how women get straight up beat up in many videos, even vanilla ones? Would you watch porn that featured men getting choked, slapped, spat on, or degraded if you weren’t into that? How is that supposed to be arousing? “Chad sexual” isn’t a thing either. Nobody is attracted to 100% of the opposite sex. Men certainly aren’t. To paint women as all being liars because they’re not attracted to every man alive is just straight misogyny. A man only being attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:37 PM
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So are you asserting that every time a woman is attacked or raped by a man that it’s actually her fault? Or are you capable of seeing that there’s a difference between women who willfully have children with terrible people and women who didn’t know that someone was going to behave a certain way in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:30 PM
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It’s also pretty much a meme in the bi community that bisexual women routinely end up in relationships with extremely average dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 10:01 PM
1

I’ve tried so many times to learn and I eventually just gave up tbh. Went to prom in converse, and wore regular sandals at my graduation. I’ve heard wedges make it easier but I’ve never tried
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 09:01 PM
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To be honest I don’t keep up with a lot of mainstream media beyond the NYT these days. I feel like the articles I see have much more to do with current events like whatever the president has been up to lately, or which foreign country has had a change in leadership. So when I see gender discourse or some eye-grabbing feminist title pop up from something like Vogue it definitely feels like a desperate plea for media attention more than real-life discourse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:26 PM
5

I think the fact that my boyfriend has big arms and makes me laugh is sexy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:24 PM
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So I actually read that article, just now, and I think people are taking the title at face value. The author is not expressing that she thinks that having a boyfriend is embarrassing. She also doesn’t assert that dating a man *at all* is embarrassing, and the only people who make that claim in the whole article are a bunch of anonymous women on one niche internet micro celebrity’s substack that told her she shouldn’t get a boyfriend after she said she went on a trip with a man. Most of the artic…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:22 PM
3

What do you think bisexual means? You don’t even truly believe the tripe you’re spouting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:06 PM
3

By your own admission, women who are into men exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:18 PM
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You’re being willfully obtuse. Women don’t seek out sex with men as much as men seek out sex with women because there’s more at stake for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:14 PM
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As a terminally online feminist I hope you know that the “Having a boyfriend is embarrassing” stuff is something that I literally did not know existed until I saw people bringing it up here. It’s not some hot new movement sweeping the nation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:03 PM
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Sounds like you don’t know what comphet means but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:01 PM
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Have you ever considered the fact that men don’t get pregnant, and women tend to be more risk averse, therefore women might be less likely to just approach random men and propose sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:59 PM
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Probably not, considering I’d feel legitimately a little unsafe around him if he suddenly idolized a convicted human trafficker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:55 PM
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Like others have said, women would only develop these views of men if their only exposure to men was via men they were dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:42 PM
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Source: trust me bro
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:33 PM
4

Where is any data to back this up?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:33 PM
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Men and women are different and oftentimes express/experience attraction differently. I’m very attracted to my boyfriend. I wouldn’t seek out a male stripper, pay for a male escort, or watch male solo porn. Does that mean I’m not attracted to my partner? Should I just let you define my relationship since you seem to understand attraction better than me?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:39 PM
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“Queer” doesn’t mean “not attracted to men.” Lots of people use queer as a catch-all that includes bi- or pan-sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:34 PM
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What is this weird fixation on women’s sexuality recently? We don’t pay for male strippers and male onlyfans at the same rates that men do, and suddenly that means that none of us are attracted to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:27 PM
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Interesting how you indirectly accuse women of generalizing people, meanwhile your entire post pretty explicitly says that “all women do x”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:32 PM
1

Interesting how it’s apparently shocking to you that women are more likely to fuck attractive men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 04:30 PM
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Men face less social pressure and shame for being interested in hookups. Men are also in less danger when they invite strangers into their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:13 AM
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No. The fact that some women do the same doesn’t mean it suddenly makes it okay for you to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:45 PM
5

Why would I date someone I didn’t find physically attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:08 PM
1

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:18 AM
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I assume they don’t actually like women beyond sex and thank God that I’m not dating someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:39 PM
0

10000% this. As a feminist I vote for things that address men’s issues but somehow that gets steamrolled by the fact that I identify as a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:39 PM
1

Women took care of the house “for eons” because we didn’t have the rights or social norms to do otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:37 PM
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Probably because we don’t find objectifying men sexy like men do to women? I mean I would never at any point find myself wanting to go ogle a random naked man or to pay money for a man to make porn for me, because to me that’s just not sexy. To men, those things are sexy, but to women it’s really not that sexy. We’re just different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 05:37 PM
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He can, just not every single time. Which has more to do with external factors than with him
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:42 PM
1

You’re mentally ill if you think every single woman is lying
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:32 PM
1

There’s other benefits to the method we use besides birth control, which imo are worth it. When we used condoms we were also going through them crazy fast and constantly needing to buy more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:31 PM
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No, it doesn’t feel like a chore - I enjoy sex a lot whether or not I orgasm because it still feels good and it’s my favorite way to connect with my partner. I just think it would heighten my enjoyment if I could reliably orgasm, and I would probably initiate more than I already do. Before I got on bc me and my boyfriend had more sex for sure, and it was much easier for me to finish
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:10 AM
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No, he’s great. I don’t orgasm a lot since I started birth control. I’ve noticed a pretty sharp decline in my frequency of orgasms. I think I’d want sex a lot more if I could reliably orgasm
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:05 AM
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I think me and my boyfriend would go from once a day average to 3-4x a day
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 11:02 AM
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A major point OP made was the “male access” bit. Men have the same opportunities for exposure to the opposite sex via dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:16 AM
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Unless you’ve approached every woman alive, and you’ve been rejected by every single one, you don’t truly “have no options.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:07 AM
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Apps allow men to do the same. Apps let everyone filter and they act as a guard against danger, embarrassment, and mixed messages. They’re popular across the board because they’re the lowest effort option with the highest possible returns
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:02 AM
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I’m not sure that your stats regarding rates of singleness are correct. They’re also lacking context In the U.S., 51% of men aged 18-29 are single, compared to 32% of women in the same age bracket, according to this data: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ and men are less and less likely to be single as they get older, whereas - on the other end of the spectrum, 49% of women 65+ are single, compared to 21% of men. Additionally, we all have access…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:58 PM
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If you’re not open to dating people who aren’t your ideal partner then “I have no options” just isn’t true. Like someone else in this thread said, most men DO have options, just not options that they’d be interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:03 PM
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You’re blatantly lying. You don’t want to acknowledge that men do not have a monopoly on loneliness because it feels better to make women the villain 100% of the time. Real “men are perfect and wonderful” mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:47 PM
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Because the same men who complain about not having options are oftentimes the same men who will consistently bash and demean fat women, women who have a lot of sexual history, and women with children from previous relationships. If you’re going to claim men have no options, but then insist that some women are beneath you or unattractive to you, it’s hard to believe that you truly don’t have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:42 PM
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When will you people realize that there are women who also get no matches, no attraction, no approaches, no signs of interest, and no real romantic success? Just because men are the loudest when it comes to lacking dating success doesn’t mean they have the monopoly on “not having any options”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:22 PM
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Actually you can, if you’re seeking to blame and villainize women in any way possible
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:19 PM
3

So what about all the women out there who can’t get dates? Because I know several. But you’re so deep in the “women bad” mire that you probably just don’t want to even consider the fact that isolation and loneliness are things that are not exclusive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:14 PM
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You’re dodging the question
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:03 PM
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You didn’t answer my question. Would you date a fat, ugly single mom who had a lot of previous sexual partners, or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:59 PM
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I’m not sure why people like you will bitch and moan about how women don’t care about men’s dating woes, but you’ll flat out ignore the fact that there are women out there who also struggle with dating. You can’t expect sympathy or solutions when you won’t even recognize that women aren’t all living a perfect fantasy life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:57 PM
5

So would you date a fat, ugly single mom who had a lot of previous partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:55 PM
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So one woman isn’t attracted to men, and suddenly all women aren’t attracted to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:22 PM
1

Feels better
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:14 PM
3

If you really, truly believe that the vast majority of women on earth are lying, you just don’t like women bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:08 PM
3

Oh my god dude please touch grass 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:02 PM
4

Oh so you just straight up believe women don’t experience attraction to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:59 PM
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How could a woman make her attraction believable in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:56 PM
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No, the principle is not the same. Someone I don’t know saying “I’m a Nigerian prince” is a situation one wouldn’t take at face value. Your partner telling you and showing you that they’re attracted to is someone showing and telling you that they’re attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:32 PM
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That sub’s entire goal is to paint women as liars and manipulators and to foster a sense of distrust of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:29 PM
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That’s not the same thing as a real life person that you know and interact with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:26 PM
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So if a woman acts like she’s attracted to you, tells you she’s attracted to you, and does things to show you she’s attracted to you, you still choose to believe that she isn’t attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:19 PM
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You’re too deep in pill bullshit. Would highly recommend touching grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:21 PM
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OP has self-described as “paranoid,” “OCD,” and having “lost his mind” over this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:17 PM
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I don’t watch porn anymore but when I did I found that a ton of mainstream straight porn is just straight up violent towards women. Words like “drilled, destroyed, pounded, obliterated, reamed” are so common in the titles of straight porn. It’s also super normal for even “vanilla” straight porn to involve choking, hitting, and coercion, to the point that there’s been a documented increase in women reporting their partners choking them suddenly without prior discussion. Straight porn is made for …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:15 PM
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If you think a subreddit full of tiktok screenshots with a heavy bias towards hating women is a reliable place to gather real information, you need to get off the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:11 PM
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Dude, most people who watch porn are probably watching things that they wouldn’t do irl. A lot of guys like threesome/gangbang porn but are monogamous and not into the idea of sharing. A lot of women watch lesbian porn. Both involve seeing the same sex in porn and getting off to it. This level of fixation on women’s sexuality and arousal is weird and unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:08 PM
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I think it’s valid to care about your partner’s porn habits but not about an entire gender’s porn habits. It’s giving OCD
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:57 PM
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Exactly. You don’t have to understand something to accept it and move on from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:54 PM
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OP, get help. If you are truly this obsessed and paranoid about the idea that some straight women watch lesbian porn, you need to talk to someone because it’s clear that these thoughts are affecting you. If you’ve gone so far down some weird rabbit hole where you need to do shit like this to get off, you need to talk to someone because that isn’t normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:44 PM
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So if a woman has given birth to a child and is working, and a man is just working, who has provided more value there?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:22 PM
5

Again, the narrative is almost always “she just doesn’t find him as attractive” when in reality nobody is going to intentionally not engage in a sex act that they find pleasurable. Like do you see how stupid that is? If I liked a sex act previously, I’m not going to deprive my current partner of it because that’s just dumb. It’s easier to blame and villainize women than it is to stop dating people you aren’t sexually compatible with. Plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:01 PM
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So this must have happened to you, surely? I think it’s insane how women can say no to things because they hurt, or weren’t enjoyable, or were degrading, and the narrative somehow gets shifted to “she’s lying, it’s just because she doesn’t find her current partner as attractive as her ex” Like if you really don’t trust women at all, don’t engage with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:55 PM
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Did you know that people who are in content, 50/50 relationships are not the ones bitching and moaning online? You seem very confident that all women behave this way so I guess I figured you had data points beyond other people complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:52 PM
5

Why are you dating women that bring no value to your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:15 PM
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Porn isn’t real life. I’d suggest you cut back before it completely nukes your views on what normal sex is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:13 PM
8

This isn’t a gendered issue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:42 AM
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Because I’ve experienced both a bigger partner and a smaller partner. Guess which one hurts sometimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:38 AM
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That’s not a flex dude. The reason I said that is because you assumed “so many women take big dicks.” In reality, most women are having sex with men with average size dicks. You’re just brainrotted from porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:36 AM
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How do you know for sure that “larger penis hardly ever hurts?”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:33 AM
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Men who are single and minding their own business aren’t subjected to the same criticisms of men who are single and extremely vocal about how women are at fault for that. I mean there’s another post on here from mere hours ago where a guy asserted that women should have to date men they aren’t attracted to. There’s a whole community of incels online who speak very graphically about how they want to hurt women because they won’t date them. The entire redpill community wants to nitpick and critici…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:33 AM
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Why is the comparison always “well what if men withheld taking you somewhere nice, huh??” As if the reasons many sex acts are off the table for some people aren’t due to pain, discomfort, or just the fact that they don’t feel good? Like do you guys just hate the idea of women or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 04:04 AM
8

Bro probably watches a fuckton of porn
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:51 AM
2

That’s a whole lot of words for “women will always be untrustworthy to me.” Like if you think every woman is a liar, don’t date women. It’s that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:48 AM
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So you must have taken multiple penises of varying sizes to know this
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:37 AM
3

So when has scenario 2 actually happened to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 03:11 AM
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Scenario 2 hardly ever happens. What happens is, dudes get upset when a woman has tried something in the past, legitimately does not like it, and refuses to do it again. It’s like people interpret it as scenario 2 when it’s actually scenario 1. I’ve seen dudes crash out over their partner having tried anal and refusing to do it again because it hurt, having had a threesome and not wanting to do it again because it ruined a relationship, or having previously tried BDSM/kink and not wanting to try…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:16 PM
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Can you cite a source for that? I’m just curious. Additionally, “just not wanting them” can still be influenced by a myriad of factors. It’s hard to ever even sit down and seriously think about having children when you have to dedicate most of your waking hours to working and grinding, and it’s easy to settle on “I just don’t want them” if there’s multiple factors that make having them unappealing. Or just downvote me for asking, lmaooo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:06 PM
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Well, yes, I never suggested it wasn’t valid or reasonable. I just don’t think we can say for certain that the projected 45% of single, childless women will all be women who intentionally chose to be single and childless and who never wanted relationships or children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:40 PM
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I’m sure men love it when their girlfriends/wives aren’t attracted to them…. right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:09 PM
7

Rich, stable, fulfilled women still seek out relationships with men because they want love and companionship. It’s really not unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:03 PM
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“Women should date men they don’t want to date, because I think men’s happiness is more important than women’s autonomy.” FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:58 PM
6

Love? Companionship? Having someone to stick with you through everything life throws at you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:43 PM
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While I’m pretty anti-manosphere in general and will always support a woman’s right to choose the kind of life she wants, I don’t truly believe that nearly half of women genuinely want to stay single AND childless. Maybe one or the other, but both? Idk. I say that because, as a mid 20s woman who spends a ton of time with other mid 20s women, a lot of the reasons I hear for not wanting kids are problems that could be solved, and not a genuine lack of desire to be a parent. For one, the immense am…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:27 PM
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And every man pays for onlyfans and would cheat on his wife at the drop of a hat. I can make baseless generalizations too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:01 PM
2

I think you replied to the wrong comment. I agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:57 PM
6

While that’s awful and frankly creepy, you can and should say no and refuse to engage with men who do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:53 PM
4

That happened in my first relationship. Granted, I was young and we were inexperienced, so a lot of it was trying what he was into and me trying really hard to get into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:50 PM
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While I agree with your observation that a lot of guys here tend to hyperfocus on sex, feeling like their partner is doing everything with them that they ever did with previous partners, and virginity, I also think that this is a microcosm of the internet that represents a minuscule portion of the lonely men out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:48 PM
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Personally I like kinky sex and I enjoy it with my partner. I think we do like 50/50 kinky and vanilla. So I’m not sure if you saying “kinky sex is honestly less appealing” can apply to everyone. The core of your post, I agree with. Everyone should seek compatible partners, especially when it comes to sex. I tried to stay in a sexually incompatible relationship once and it didn’t end well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:43 PM
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Nah, you’re right. That kind of bond is irreplaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:40 PM
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I’m surprised bro could type all this with one hand
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:07 PM
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Why do you look at a tiny percentage of women and believe that we all act that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:37 PM
2

I’d leave. Doesn’t matter if it was a one off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:36 PM
1

My parents were able to buy a big house in a good neighborhood and then raise 3 kids on a single income. My single income now barely covers a shared apartment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 01:36 PM
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Sexuality isn’t a rigid black and white thing. It’s fluid, and even straight people might experience attraction or arousal to the same sex now and then. Obsessing over it is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:05 PM
0

Your entire justification for hating feminists comes from your own misinterpretation of feminism - feminism doesn’t stand on a hatred of men, and you would know that if you weren’t grasping at straws to find any excuse to defend the systems in society that place you at an advantage over other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 02:26 AM
0

Would you care to explain how men have not historically oppressed women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 01:42 AM
1

yet all of them view men as the so called oppressor class And how have men not historically been the oppressors of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:16 PM
7

So it’s a waste of time to care about other human beings, whether or not doing so benefits you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 03:39 AM
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This is a poll, which is a voluntary measure of data, in which people may not respond if they don’t have strong feelings about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 01:20 PM
2

BP doesn’t argue that women only care about personality
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:56 PM
1

All of these things are bad and women that do them face judgement and consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:56 PM
2

Horror stories that are less likely to be violent or violating
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:13 PM
4

AI doesn’t have free will. But go off I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:42 AM
0

You know you can transition, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 03:41 AM
3

I mean go have an AI gf if that’s what you want. An AI chat bot didn’t willingly choose you, and cannot love you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:31 AM
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When you literally have no argument you know you’ve lost
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 02:31 AM
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Making less on average, getting the privilege of pregnancy being a potential death sentence, not being able to move around in the world without your body or appearance being up for critique, having fewer rights than men in many countries worldwide? Are you smoking dick brother? Our lives are very different but if you’re gonna sit here and act like women globally are on better footing than men then you’re too delulu to be trying to debate anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:13 AM
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Except an AI girlfriend doesn’t have free will, isn’t voluntarily choosing you, and isn’t a real human being capable of love. All of the things that lonely men want out of a relationship are only obtainable via a real human connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:56 AM
1

I don’t think the average man would be prepared for the average woman’s everyday life
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:36 AM
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No, because it wouldn’t do anything re: pregnancy, abortions, human rights, etc. Now if I had a button to swap everyone’s sexes for a day so men get to see how it really is… Hell yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:24 PM
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Why would I go around being needlessly unkind to people? What benefit would that provide to anybody?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:23 PM
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I’m not sure why being single implies you’re in the “lower” 31%. Relationships aren’t a reward for being better than other people - see all the awful folks who are in relationships. You might benefit from therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:17 PM
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I’m not sure why you think my statement needs fixing considering the entire post and OP’s question was centered on the likelihood of WOMEN cheating and I answered accordingly
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:10 PM
1

So 1 Reddit post equals every woman alive?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 08:10 PM
2

The “top 10%” is a poorly defined, nebulous boogeyman. What defines someone’s standing? If they’re in the top 10% how do we know? Do they get a little button or something? If women are only attracted to 10% of men, why are only 31% of men single? The math isn’t adding up and you seem to think we should all buy into this 10% delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:26 PM
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It’s always “no one does this” but people actually do. I got called ran through before I even lost my virginity simply because I’d dated guys before. I’ve seen women get called ran through or used up irl and by people who certainly aren’t under the guise of anonymity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:23 PM
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While I agree that young boys need individuality and the liberation to explore how they want to connect to masculinity/femininity, I think the idea of “positive masculinity” came about because of the rigidity many men have around the idea of exploring ANYTHING feminine. This is not necessarily the fault of individual men, it’s a societal thing. Like for example if I showed up to work tomorrow wearing a button down and slacks and a tie, nobody would care, but if my male colleague came in a dress …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:19 PM
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I’ve never seen a man being referred to as “used up,” “ran through,” or “high mileage.” Meanwhile I’ve seen women get called all of the above whether their number of past partners is 1 or 100. On top of that, even in this day and age, women get asked “well what were you wearing/doing” if they talk about experiencing sexual assault or harassment. I’ve never seen a man get treated the same. Additionally, if you listen to just about any rap artist or 70s-80s rock, hell if you listen to any music ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:15 PM
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Your entire argument is based off of two data points….
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:06 PM
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I don’t see why not
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:43 PM
0

This speaks to just how little consideration men have for the struggles of other men. For many guys, men’s issues only exist when a woman is talking about how she’s scared to get pregnant in a state with abortion bans, or when she’s crying about an abusive partner. It’s like the very real and very serious issues men face only exist in their minds as an uno reverse card instead of real world problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:15 PM
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And where did I ever say that I think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:13 PM
3

At the end of the day I don’t think you’re ever going to fully win over people who don’t like cold approaches. Cold approaches aren’t popular. But as someone who has been approached this way and the other way, this way is less awkward and intimidating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:09 PM
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In one age bracket, women cheat more than men - and the difference is 11% to 10%.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:07 PM
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Sure, in part. But when you pair that with the fact that many women have a horror story involving a man, it’s not hard to see why many women do not have an overall favorable view of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:06 PM
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Brother, if you think 11% of all women is “most” women, you need to take a stats class.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:54 AM
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Notice how I very specifically said “most age brackets?” It’s also 11% vs 10%. Not exactly a wide margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:51 AM
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We hate “choose better” because it protects men from any blame or accountability for their actions. Woman gets beaten by her partner? She should have chosen better. Woman gets abandoned after she had kids with him? She should have chosen better. Woman gets cheated on? She should have chosen better. In every single scenario where we get told “choose better,” it’s a thinly veiled “men are perfect and wonderful and actually it’s YOUR fault that a man behaved that way.” If men were assaulted/raped/a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:51 AM
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Anything that isn’t red pill is blue pill by definition
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:41 AM
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First of all, you cast some pretty wide generalizations about all men here. Not every guy is a feminist, or college educated, or “more open to engage in therapy.” And if those things are all only happening in the hopes of attracting a woman, are they genuine at all? In addition to that, fewer women have positive views of men because men keep doing heinous shit to women. Look at that news story of the guy who killed his partner and then blended her remains. Or the news story of the woman who died…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:32 AM
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A man is too picky or superficial when he is unhappy being single and still has highly specific standards. If you’re happy being alone and content to live that way until you meet the right person, then be as picky as you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:20 AM
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Men are actually more likely to cheat on their partners than women in most age brackets. Source: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america It’s not common for women to cheat. Most women are not going to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:18 AM
1

Males will really hear women say “I’ve been harassed/assaulted multiple times” and just not process that information in their brain
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:21 AM
1

Didn’t realize wanting the right to vote was “hating men”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 10:20 AM
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Unless you’re a hetero woman, I’m not sure why you feel qualified to speak on this topic I can’t keep my hands off my boyfriend even when we aren’t having sex. He has really nice pecs and a great ass
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 09:18 PM
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Yet another “women should lower their standards” take. Dating isn’t a ranked matching system. You’re not limited to dating people who are on the same footing in terms of looks, status, personality, whatever. You do realize that you can have standards too, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 05:44 PM
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Well a lot of the guys looking to self improve are looking to do so because of women. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, it’s just something I’ve noticed. Men should start focusing on themselves and improving their lives because it makes their lives better, not to please and attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:12 PM
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At the end of the day, have whatever standards you want. Most people do not care and do not have to care. I think where you’re missing some nuance is where people, male and female, use their standards and boundaries to justify bullying or disparaging. For example, women who don’t want to date short men will sometimes rip on short men for no reason. Men who don’t want to date fat girls will call them disgusting or ugly. TL;Dr, people be using their standards to justify assholery, it goes both way…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 03:11 PM
1

Cold approaching is totally fine as long as you can take a no with grace, and do it in an appropriate way and in an appropriate place.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 01:15 AM
1

So tell me, how is it in real life? How do you suffer day to day because women have to be more careful around men?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 12:54 AM
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Meh they’re incompatible. Better to find out sooner as opposed to later
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:41 PM
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“Hm, one woman behaved this way, I guess all women behave this way!”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:38 PM
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Wait… you had a girlfriend that was willing to let you stay home, and you broke up with her because you had it in your head that she would hate you later for it? Holy shit this is like the guy who let the internet convince him that his wife had cheated on him and he asked her to get a paternity test over his delusions. The baby was his, but him accusing his wife of cheating ruined their marriage and she left him. “Millions of men” aren’t “calling this out.” You’ve let a terminally online cabal o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:34 PM
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I think you’re using “aroused by” very liberally here. I do think finding the female body more visually appealing is kind of trained into all of us. Like, female bodies are used more for advertising, female bodies are sexualized more, etc etc etc. I don’t think this is an issue of sexuality as much as it is of social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 09:13 PM
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You’re understanding me wrong. You are not entitled to that partner. You are not guaranteed a relationship with that person. That’s what I meant
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 07:19 PM
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Your experience doesn’t negate every other person’s experience. You dated one person who wasn’t truly happy to pull her own weight, and now you think that that applies to everyone. Do you not see the problem with that? I dated one guy who was a habitual liar. If I said “all men are liars” after that I would rightfully get clowned on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 05:18 PM
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Yup. TRP has devolved into hating women and “men are perfect and wonderful!”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:40 PM
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Because RP is almost never presented in a neutral way by neutral people. Most of the RP interactions I’ve had have been loaded with insults, involved generalizing women, and hinted at thinking dating solutions should border on violating people’s ability to consent. Which reveals the truth about RP, which is that it’s not neutral or objective, it’s an ideology that bitter people turn to despite the fact that everyone else is dating and living their lives just fine without it. People don’t like he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:39 PM
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Yes…. you are entitled to your preferences You are, however, not entitled to dating someone who aligns with your preferences. You might find someone, and that’s great, but nobody has a guaranteed right to date someone that they want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:27 PM
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No I didn’t. OP spent multiple lines in his post disparaging women in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:26 PM
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You have a right to have a preference. You have a right to choose who you want to pursue. You are not entitled to getting to date someone who aligns with your preference
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:17 AM
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No because Prince Charming didn’t disparage every other woman in the area in the process of marrying Cinderella Like did you read my comment or…?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 01:36 AM
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Well even if you’re careful, you can still wind up with someone who might be hiding their intentions or someone who will let the mask slip over time A lot of the time it’s a matter of getting the obviously bad guys out of the way sooner
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 08:33 PM
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Do other people suffer because I lock my door at night, carry pepper spray, and keep my banking password written down instead of saved on my phone? I don’t think men suffer because of the actions of a few. I think men are held in slightly higher suspicion and women largely feel less safe around strange men compared to how safe men feel around strange women. It’s not like men are getting attacked or physically harmed on a regular basis out of fear. Women are just not super likely to entertain con…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:20 PM
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Most women aren’t just fucking and dating whoever though. Most women are filtering and vetting men and not sleeping with people who are obviously unsafe to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 06:14 PM
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Higher chance doesn’t mean you have the right to date that person though. You don’t have the right to date anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:29 PM
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Huh???? If you think piercings and tattoos are scary you might just be easily scared
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:29 PM
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Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 01:25 AM
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What do you mean by that? Have you studied to become a therapist and had an issue with the coursework required?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:30 PM
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No, but almost every woman I know has a horror story involving a man and acts accordingly. According to you you’re a man, so maybe don’t speak so brazenly about why women act certain ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:37 PM
4

Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:32 PM
3

So if my ideal is Benedict Cumberbatch, I have a right to Benedict Cumberbatch?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 09:32 PM
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Nobody has to force, nag, bribe, shame, or beg people to do things they don’t want to do. But if there were more male therapists, a lower barrier to accessing therapy, and a destigmatization around men’s emotions, maybe we’d see results.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:49 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what is the problem with “modern therapy?”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 08:43 PM
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Your entire post is you claiming that bringing up assault against women is a conversation ender and childish. I’m trying to explain how the way you bring up dating issues can lead to someone bringing those topics up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:15 PM
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Why do you think so many women are cold and standoffish towards men? Why do you think so many women have opted to remain single or to very tightly filter their dating prospects? Women bring up rape, assault, and domestic violence because men are so often clueless about what goes on in women’s minds. Almost every woman I know has a story. Hell even a lot of men I know have been groped or assaulted by other men. I think these conversations are not playing out how you represented them here. More of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:09 PM
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It’s fine to think women have shit behavior. It’s just weird to expect that you get to talk about women’s shit behavior, and that women can’t talk about men’s shit behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:04 PM
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There’s a pretty stark difference between domestic violence and assault, and…. not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:00 PM
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Yes. If more people were open to the idea of men expressing emotions then maybe men wouldn’t suppress their emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:17 PM
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That…. Doesn’t make any sense, but okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:14 PM
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Many people aren’t aware of the significantly higher risk of suicide in men, and many people (men included) still hold patriarchal views about men and what emotions they can/should share or express and how they should do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:02 PM
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Hard agree. Many men are very scared of confessing feelings these days because a few bad eggs ruined that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:41 PM
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I think men’s mental health needs to be widely discussed and supported and large scale effort needs to be made to help struggling men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:38 PM
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Men are already allowed to have a hoe phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:34 PM
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In other news, the sky is blue. It seems like you just want everything PPB to be approved by everybody else. Do whatever you want. People aren’t all going to like it or agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:21 PM
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Where did I say you aren’t allowed to? I said people can and will criticize you for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:18 PM
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I’m aware that some women are in higher demand than others. The issue is that nobody has a right to their ideal partner. Not men, not women, nobody. So while it’s fine to go look elsewhere for your ideal partner, leveraging your wealth and privilege to do so, while having little to no regard for said partner’s culture, language, and identity, is something that people can and will criticize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:15 PM
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Two things can be true at once. A man who is terminally single and a misogynist can repel women because he’s a misogynist, and because he isn’t hot or rich enough to attract women who are willing to overlook every red flag in the name of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 03:11 PM
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I don’t expect a job to be handed to me on a silver platter. I have nearly a decade of experience in a high demand field and am overqualified for the work that I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:59 PM
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Tbey get a special pass for it. Nice whataboutism. Disparaging an entire sex for the crime of not being interested is wrong no matter who does it. Some women doing the same thing doesn’t make it okay for men to do it too. Calling women racist for having qualms about PPBs is certainly a take, considering many of the posts on the PPB subreddits are from men specifically going to poor countries and bragging about how many women they fuck. It would be one thing if the content coming out of the PPB s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:58 PM
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Based on the fact that I’m getting downvoted to hell it seems there’s a lot of men who actually don’t believe it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:42 PM
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Bingo. Like I said, I don’t really see anything wrong with moving abroad for the sake of dating. But I also know of a few guys who intentionally went to poorer countries because they knew they’d have better luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:35 PM
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As per your edit, I think you’re doing exactly what you’re complaining about - obfuscating your point. What do you have an issue with? What do you want to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:30 PM
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It’s easier to be passport bros and get the same quality women while not meeting the same standards See, shit like this is why PPBs don’t have everyone’s stamp of approval. It’s “easier?” What’s easier about learning a new language and culture, and managing a relationship between two people who might have extremely different upbringings and opinions on family/kids/everything else? Oh, right, most PPBs have no intention of doing any of those things and are reliant on their status as a rich foreig…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:28 PM
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Or someone “more family oriented.” That one is funny to me because the same men will lament the fact that they believe women want to have their lifestyles bankrolled, meanwhile in many other parts of the world the traditional expectation is that the man works and the woman stays home.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:00 PM
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Most people do not give a flying fuck about passport bros as a concept. Myself included. The issue people take with passport bros is when said passport bros disparage and demean women in their home countries (as you did) simply because they couldn’t get laid there. It gives the impression that you just want to go find someone who will put up with your bullshit because you’re a rich exotic foreigner who can get them out of a potentially not great living situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:56 PM
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So long as your defense strategy is to obfuscate how you feel towards men that you feel don’t deserve to know your true emotions, the more you make it harder for men to respect your boundaries. How can I respect what I can’t identify? So like, your point is almost valid, except there are definitely boundaries that you should know not to cross regardless of whether or not someone is being vague with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:48 PM
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Women are attracted to those traits. It’s just that there’s a constellation of attractive traits and it’s not like someone is going to decide on that alone. Source: am woman
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:16 PM
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Anybody who points at misogynists who are successful in dating and tries to use it to reason that women prefer assholes is someone who wishes he could be an asshole to women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:10 PM
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Yet this here is exactly what women demand from men. Women don’t collectively demand this from men. Most women are happy to provide in their own ways for their partners, whether it be through having their kids, keeping their home, being an equal partner, etc etc. This is a sweeping and negative generalization that makes me think you actually just don’t like women to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:57 AM
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I’m so stressed about work that I feel physically ill. Too bad the job market is ass and I cannot find anything else atm so I’m stuck feeling this way :/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:57 AM
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All of the points you brought up are more to do with a smaller subset of shitty men, and less to do with marriage as a concept. This is why people date and vet and try to learn as much as possible about someone before getting married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:55 AM
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Going into a social setting where we were both there and edging me out of the circle, ignoring me if I asked a question or said something directly to him, and only speaking to me to demean me is justified? It wasn’t just “he wasn’t answering my texts,” he went full asshole for a while there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:37 AM
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Extremely selfish and a bad view of love? What, we should all date people who objectively make our lives worse now? Lmao People pick their partners based off of what they do for them. A man picks a woman maybe because she’s pretty, or she makes him feel happy, or she makes life feel easier. Same thing for a woman. You’re also making a thinly veiled argument that people should stay in abusive relationships no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:33 AM
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Translation: “women bad” Like what do you have to back this up? Just “I said so?” Because I see a lot of women wind up in relationships with terrible men that don’t cook, don’t clean, don’t pay for shit, and don’t treat her well. There are shitty, manipulative people of both genders. Men don’t have more arcane knowledge of how to start a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:31 AM
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I’m not sure why this is being leveled as some sort of accusation when it’s a general truth of every relationship. If you’re a self-respecting, mentally stable person, you’re not going to keep the company of someone that makes your life objectively worse. Everyone in your life does something for you - makes you happier, keeps you company, helps the everyday drudgery of life feel less awful, etc etc etc. Every relationship, platonic, familial, or romantic, is based off of filling some need in one…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:44 AM
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attraction isn’t evenly distributed Well it’s also not viewed exactly the same way? You have some women who won’t date certain men, and other women who will, and overlaps and gaps between. Attraction isn’t some non renewable resource, it’s more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:26 AM
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Except you have failed to provide a shred of evidence for anything you claim in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:17 AM
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Where do you see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:17 AM
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“I want to date someone I have chemistry with” and “only a tiny portion of men ever have success dating” are not two statements that necessarily agree with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:55 PM
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“The friend zone” is merely a term associated with the phenomenon of unrequited love. It’s real, and I’ve put several people in it. I think it’s oftentimes weaponized to make women seem bitchy, and to discourage men from seeking fulfilling friendships with women. As in, I was oftentimes criticized for “friend zoning” a close friend that had feelings for me, when I simply wasn’t attracted to him but wanted to remain friends, and he felt justified in ignoring me and talking shit about me because I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:01 PM
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If someone repeatedly dates awful people, they should seek therapy. Blaming someone for issues that they might not have caused or even be aware of is pretty needlessly unkind.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:55 PM
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Hey, I was in the same boat. Eat more, and eat lots of protein. If you’re financially stable and can afford it, maybe look into hiring a personal trainer or a nutritionist to help you out. Also try creatine
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:47 PM
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What if you suddenly lost your job, had an emergency, or otherwise lost your ability to pay for hired help? Cooking and cleaning are survival skills. Ones that, should you be wealthy enough, you can outsource all you want. I think the expectation that you will/should never have to cook or clean is the one OP takes issue with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:46 PM
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Not to dog pile you but as others have pointed out, you are very skinny. I could bench you. Maybe focus some of your time and resources on getting your health in check, hiring a personal trainer, and focusing on yourself and your wellness. I’m gonna be completely honest, for some women dating someone who weighs less than them can feel a little weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:08 PM
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This is pretty pointlessly gendered. Introspection is difficult for everyone, because oftentimes it requires you to be critical of yourself in ways that can feel uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:59 PM
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My grandfather was a firefighter for many, many years. This just isn’t true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:56 PM
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Do you have any evidence for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:55 PM
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Is this what is actually happening? Like do you have any evidence to back this up? Or are you just declaring it to be true? The State of California famously suffered from a massive wildfire that was not effectively countered due to DEI hiring practices that prioritized diversity over saving human lives. This claim was never actually found to hold water. It also came at a time when right wing activists were seeking to un-DEI every business in America. The wildfires were caused by climate change p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:48 PM
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the running mantra of a lot of feminists or outspoken women is that men need to take accountability for the men that are problematic. No. It isn’t. The “running mantra” is that many women have had such negative experiences with men that a lot of us are very guarded around men. And yet, we receive blame and shame and get told we need to suck it up and get over it, despite the fact that there’s a new horror story almost every day of a woman getting murdered for saying no to a man. We don’t want ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:27 PM
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This this this. I saw a comment in here the other day where someone said being single as a man is comparable to being kept as a sex slave in terms of suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:20 PM
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I believe men’s dating struggles exist, but I also believe that there are actionable solutions that get turned down or dismissed as unrealistic, as well as the fact that many men who complain about their dating struggles either expect all women to take accountability for things they didn’t do, or for their moaning and groaning to somehow land them with a partner. Basically yes, we do, but the way these issues are raised is often counterintuitive and most men who complain about dating don’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:15 PM
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Sex workers objectify themselves more than men do. Women as a whole do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:11 PM
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What does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:10 PM
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So if that’s not your implication, why are you arguing that we should all be lumped together? I am not a sex worker. Why should I not be able to request that men don’t objectify me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:09 PM
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It’s “finding them attractive” when you keep it to yourself. It’s “objectification” when you harass someone, catcall them, or otherwise think of them/treat them as an object, hence the name objectification. FTFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:07 PM
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So what do you call porn, oversexualized advertising, cat calling, sexual assault and harassment, using AI to make porn of someone that did not consent to being in porn? Because that’s all objectification
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:05 PM
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Finding somebody attractive isn’t objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:01 PM
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you can’t separate women and sex workers What? Are you implying that all women are sex workers?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:53 PM
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I’m so stressed out about the next week. I have a big work thing coming up aaaaaa
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:52 PM
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It doesn’t make you a creep. If you’re going down the list and asking everyone out, you’re just desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:50 PM
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I don’t have an onlyfans and I don’t want you to objectify me. A woman who does onlyfans wants you to objectify her because it makes her money. We are two different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:49 PM
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If you ask out every girl in your friend circle, it’s pretty obvious that you don’t actually genuinely like any of them and that’s going to make it feel less genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:47 PM
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Why do you think a socially awkward guy who doesn’t know how to relate to women is going to be able to carry a conversation, be comfortable around his partner, meet her family and friends without making things weird, etc etc etc Those are all things that are pretty important to me in a relationship. I don’t want to date someone that can’t get along with my friends and family, including the women in my life. I’d rather date someone who doesn’t want to cheat on me as opposed to someone who wants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:41 PM
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No, we don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:41 AM
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I misread the comment above me 🤦
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 01:01 AM
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I think it’s gotten harder for everyone. It’s nigh impossible to sift through the men who just want sex to find someone worth dating. It’s harder for men to be seen as an option because so many men are convinced that they will never be happy unless they find a partner. No. Because when I dressed skimpy and sexy and went out looking for male attention after my first big breakup I didn’t get it. I’m an average looking woman. I don’t get attention, validation, and options simply based off of my exi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:38 AM
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If society’s “thriving” is contingent upon women’s oppression, society should not thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:29 AM
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Probably because a woman who has a good education and a stable career is less likely to stay in an unhappy marriage because she isn’t going to be dependent on a partner
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 12:27 AM
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I don’t think it’s always immoral, but I think it can be. I also think the people who do things like this too often fail to account for cultural context and therefore end up failing or resentful. Take India for example. India has a low divorce rate. The reason why it’s so low isn’t because the women there are more family oriented or loyal, it’s because of the heavy social stigma against divorce, the prevalence of arranged marriages, economic dependency, etc etc etc. If you went to India in searc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:23 PM
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Buddy, it sounds like you may be aromantic. You’re not the only one. But you should know that not all men feel the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:16 PM
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Maybe YOU aren’t capable of romantic love. Have you ever considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:04 PM
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Most people, male and female, who go to therapy have a positive experience and see some benefit to it. A smaller portion of people do not benefit from it. Just because you didn’t benefit from it doesn’t mean other people won’t benefit from it. Men tend to use more task oriented and problem solving coping strategies. Women tend to use more emotion focused coping and support seeking. Thats not just culturally but also biological ingraned. The problem with this is the fact that when “emotion focuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:26 PM
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No, it’s not nearly the same, and it’s incredibly difficult to take people like you seriously when you have inane, entitled opinions like this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:07 PM
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I’m 5’5 and he is 5’7
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:05 PM
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If you go outside and talk to people you’ll realize that not everyone cares about height as much as the incel community
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:03 PM
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So someone being kept as a slave is the same level of bad as being single? Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 06:03 PM
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Probably because there’s a pretty strong correlation that crops up often. I’ve known multiple men who struggle to date and explicitly say that having a social circle isn’t a priority to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:59 PM
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Why should you be anti human trafficking instead of saying those women deserve it? Probably because human trafficking is a crime against humanity and you shouldn’t revel in other people experiencing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:56 PM
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Women do date short men. There are millions, nay, billions of short men in relationships with women. Not every woman is obsessed with height.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:55 PM
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Never said the average woman was.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:22 PM
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Any woman who goes outside into the world on a regular basis has an idea of what an average man is. It seems you don’t have a great idea of what the average woman is though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:41 PM
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You don’t have to give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:37 PM
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Probably because we constantly have the “you can’t complain, you could have any dick whenever you want” bit shoved down our throats constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:36 PM
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Nobody is guaranteed any of those things but if you opt for escorting instead of real relationships then you aren’t getting any of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:07 PM
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I mean if you don’t value exclusivity, love, or connection then you could argue that escorting is worth your money and time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:27 PM
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Makes women less dependent on men financially and advocates against harmful patriarchal stereotypes that encourage men to bottle up their emotions and never seek help
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:34 PM
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If you’re not RP you’re BP
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:15 PM
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Advice I’ve gotten that helped me find a solid relationship? Sure. -be yourself -be honest with your intentions and needs -don’t settle for someone you’re not compatible with Edited for formatting
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:57 PM
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I’m not a lesbian. I don’t dress for the male gaze. If I dress up and wear makeup it’s to feel good about myself and do something artistic or fun on my face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:39 PM
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Go to the dating advice subreddit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:36 PM
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By definition, any dating advice that isn’t given within the framing of the red pill is blue pill. So there’s a ton of BP/non-redpill dating advice out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 06:35 PM
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So you can recognize that women think that makeup and certain styles of dress look good as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 05:00 PM
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What about butch lesbians? The “man-repellant makeup” trend? Women don’t dress exclusively for the male gaze. Source: am woman
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:31 PM
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One exists for the sole purpose of manipulating/seducing the opposite sex and the other doesn’t. Lesbians who wear makeup/provocative clothing exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 04:12 PM
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“Napoleon syndrome” gets thrown around no matter what someone is angry or upset about though. It’s no different than asking a woman if she’s on her period because she got upset about something. People are allowed to express anger and frustration, and tying it to an immutable biological fact about them is used to reduce or dismiss that anger. In short, it’s dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:54 PM
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Those men are wealthy, famous, and have access to medical procedures that help them stay looking young Those are definitely not average men
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:24 PM
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This is something I would normally have said only exists online, except I have recently witnessed it irl too and I feel very strongly about it. It’s fucked up and it’s mean. Women, generally, prefer men that are taller than them. Again I’m just speaking generally, and I feel comfortable saying that because even women I know that are not online much say that they just want to date someone taller than them. And unfortunately, some people feel comfortable treating people that don’t align with their…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:08 PM
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One of the biggest driving factors in younger women’s experiencing attraction to older men is money. Dating an older man, especially one 10+ years older, comes with a lot of baggage that is oftentimes a little daunting (kids, retirement+death, what activities will be done together, etc etc) and money can tip the scales in the right direction. So with that said I feel like an older guy (thinking 40+) that is super jacked and healthy and good looking will probably have younger women attracted to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:58 PM
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Do you realize that both what you said and what I said are true?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 02:51 PM
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Men should be taught that they have inherent value whether they are single or in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:10 PM
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I think the conversation tends towards men’s improvement because men are typically the ones lamenting about how they can’t get women to pay attention to them or date them. Whereas men are content to date just whoever. The “women are wonderful” effect doesn’t cause this, men’s inability to hold to standards does. More women are totally fine with being single and will not compromise on their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:32 PM
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Oh I know the red pill nonsense is all online. But it’s always funny to me how everyone thinks TikTok is real life these days. Bro found what, 10 clips of women complaining about men not approaching them. For every 1 woman complaining about that there’s 10 more irl who don’t care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:57 AM
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Oh, so once again it’s just “I saw it on tiktok”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 01:30 AM
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Where exactly are the straight women that are complaining about this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:04 AM
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I never said they couldn’t?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:39 PM
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Do you think Andrew Tate is successful with women because he hates women? Or because he’s a famous person with a lot of money?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:26 PM
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The kind of person who is willing to dismiss half of the population as being lesser or not worth interacting with is not the kind of person I want to be around as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:15 PM
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I wouldn’t say it’s threatening. I would say that it feels like men who send such photos have a mindset that women should see their junk whether they want to or not. And they assume that they don’t need to ask for consent to do so. Like with any sexual interaction, you need consent. Like many other things in this day and age, this is the kind of thing that people suddenly feel okay doing through a screen but not in real life. In real life if you expose your genitals to someone, you could face pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:42 PM
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I’m evil, and yet you’re the one who said a child should be forced to bear a child. Vile.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:23 AM
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A zygote isn’t a child. An embryo isn’t a child. They are the predecessors to a child. Advocating for rape victims to be forced to have children is vile. What if your daughter was in that situation? Would you honest to god look her in the eyes and tell her she has to be a mother, whether she likes it or not? Probably would, considering you’re openly a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:20 AM
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Oh so it’s morally okay to abandon your kids, but not to have an abortion if the fetus is killing you? Jesus Christ man. Please never get a woman pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:16 AM
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I live in a big city, catcalling/harassment/being followed is incredibly common. I’ve had my hair touched, my ass grabbed, and my arm pulled by strange men in public before. I’ve also been catcalled more times than I can count. Just because you don’t see it constantly happening doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Ask a woman you know how many times she’s been catcalled or how many times a strange man has made her uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 04:24 AM
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Some women like masculine men, some women don’t. Once again, not all women like the same things. There are women who date femboys. There are women who only date jacked guys. Hundred bucks says you’re going to “tRaNsLaTe WoMaNeSe” because you for some reason cannot accept my answer as it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:47 AM
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I didn’t get the answer I wanted, so I’m going to twist whatever you said into what I want you to say to make me feel better :) FTFY. Again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:17 AM
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People can grow and change. But growth and change are difficult, and require intentional reflection and self work. That’s something that some people are incapable of, and other people don’t see a need for. A guy who is a doormat might value having just any relationship over being alone and having to put in the work to become someone that isn’t a doormat, and someone who ends up in a healthy relationship. Being alone and doing hard work on yourself and your mentality might be less appealing than …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:07 AM
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Neither. Some women like strong willed men. Some women don’t like strong willed men. Do you realize that there’s like 4 billion women on the planet and we all aren’t going to like the exact same type of people?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:01 AM
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I am fluent in projecting my own views onto other people, and pretending that whatever I say is absolute reality. FTFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:54 AM
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Why do you think that you know what I meant to say better than I know what I meant to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:50 AM
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Except that isn’t what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 01:30 AM
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It’s cruel to suggest that minors should be able to get abortions, but it’s not cruel to force a child to live with a permanent reminder of trauma and experience a pregnancy that her body might not be equipped to handle? I don’t say this lightly. You are a misogynist. You are openly making claims that women should suffer and die for the actions of others, and that women should be forced to carry pregnancies that they don’t want or that are killing them. That is misogyny. You hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:18 AM
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To people like him those deaths are acceptable because women had sex and we should learn to accept that we might die for doing so. It’s just misogyny, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:15 AM
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but going from “a couple guys were weird/creepy” to “it makes sense to be generally untrusting of men” is where people are gonna disagree. And why is that? Being “generally untrusting of men” seems to be a pretty natural byproduct of experiencing harassment, ogling, or worse, especially when it happens multiple times over an extended period. That doesn’t mean hating men, or treating men like shit is justified. But being wary and cautious after experiencing negative interactions with men is somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:35 PM
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I do think men sometimes misinterpret women’s expressions of anxiety or upset about gender-based violence as generalizations. I’m saying this as someone who has a predominantly male social circle and who has a loving boyfriend - I am very cautious around men I don’t know. Does that mean I am rude or standoffish, or that I’m going to call 911 anytime someone looks at me? No. It’s more like, I’m not going to be alone with a stranger if I can help it, and I might hold on to my purse a little tighte…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:25 PM
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Yuuuup. I’ve received my fair share of unsolicited dick pics from men since I was a teenager. When I lamented to one of my online friends that it made me uncomfortable, he said he wished that women would send him unsolicited nudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:21 PM
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Women die because of people who think like this. Women who live in states with total abortion bans are twice as likely to die during pregnancy due to the fact that life-saving measures are often delayed or denied if they pose any risk to the fetus. Women who have non viable, intentional and wanted pregnancies die when they cannot have a dead or dying fetus removed. Why should a fetus be protected from the sins of its father, but a living, breathing, already existing and living independently chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:16 PM
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The problem is the data is painted as patterns, and the patterns are painted as absolutes. If 33% of women go on dates just for free food, saying “all women go on dates just for free food” or even just “women go on dates just for free food” is not only intentionally misleading, it paints women in an unfair light and implies that we are all users. Similarly, if I said “all men beat women.” It’s just not true. And it also paints men in an unfair light, and it insinuates that men are all evil and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:01 PM
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Physical violence victims are overwhelmingly male Yes. And most male victims of physical violence are made victims by men. at least they aren’t excluded from polite society I know of multiple people who have sexual harassment or rape allegations against them who still have their jobs and social circles. This isn’t an always/never thing. Victims aren’t always believed. And lastly, while I do agree that it is a sad, awful thing that women raping men isn’t seen as seriously as men raping women, I f…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 10:54 PM
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A clump of cells is not the same thing as a living human being. The fact that you earnestly, honestly, equate someone stopping a pregnancy within the first few weeks to intentionally taking a fully grown person’s life tells me that you will stop at nothing to villainize women. As such, I see no point engaging with you because you’re not arguing in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:39 PM
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Abortion isn’t murder. Try again!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:34 PM
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Can you link anything to back that up? I can’t find it. According to the CDC, the leading cause of human female death is heart disease.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:22 PM
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Reducing sexual assault and physical violence to “a bad night” is certainly a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 09:18 PM
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There’s a stark difference between being afraid of getting violently assaulted or murdered by someone likely to be bigger and stronger than you, and being afraid of a woman using you for a free meal or making a false accusation about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:03 PM
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Source for that? Additionally, you seem to have completely missed the part where I said gender-based violence. The odds of me being murdered by a man are much higher than the odds of me murdering a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:02 PM
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You’re allowed to ignore women who express fear or anxiety around strange men. But don’t be shocked if people think you’re kind of a dick for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:43 PM
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Except many of the “patterns” that get pointed out are just factually untrue or observed in a tiny portion of women, and then the men seeing those behaviors wrongly assume it applies to everyone. Furthermore, these “patterns” are oftentimes used to justify treating women poorly. Case in point, men seeing assholes with girlfriends, deciding all women love jerks, and then proceeding to treat women poorly and then advocate for other men to do so. Additionally, men seeing rage bait on tiktok and dra…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:41 PM
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Well yes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:28 PM
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I think the context is very important here though? “Not all men” for example, I hear/see this come up when women express fear or anxiety around men, often as a direct result of trauma. I’ve been directly harmed by men before. Of course I know every man in the world isn’t going to hurt me. But if the immediate response to me or any other woman expressing fear or anxiety around strange men for safety reasons is “well not all men,” you’re not just deflecting, you’re dismissing those concerns. Unles…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:23 PM
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I got into grad school!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:57 PM
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Why do men who claim to not care about dating or women anymore spend so much time soapboxing about women and dating? I couldn’t care less if you date people or not. Just don’t be a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:57 PM
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“Not All Men”is typically in response to women discussing safety concerns. Gender-based violence disproportionately impacts women. “Women aren’t a monolith” is typically in response to general complaints about women. Those contexts are incredibly different.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:55 PM
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Nah. Sex is important to me in my relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 01:35 PM
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The vast majority of people were not attending balls and using fans and handkerchiefs to communicate secret codes to one another. It seems to me that your main issue with dating is the fact that there is no consensus on many things. That’s life. There will never be a one size fits all approach to any aspect of dating because everyone is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 10:57 PM
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No? Not all guys that are assholes are confident. You can be an asshole and not confident. You can be confident and not an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:15 AM
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In general? No. Lots of us don’t like assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 03:06 AM
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A woman who exclusively dates terrible men would hopefully have someone in her life to point out the fact that she makes terrible dating choices. But I agree. “All men are bad” isn’t a sentiment that should be validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:53 AM
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Key word here is “seem.” Normal guys have girlfriends all the time. It just doesn’t stick out to you because it’s…. normal. There’s this narrative that girls ONLY like assholes but it’s just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 02:42 AM
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Not sure why you’re getting a lot of disagreement. Someone with no hobbies is more likely to have nothing to talk about beyond current events or the weather.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:24 PM
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Ignoring every other point I made. Nice. Jealousy is a part of it for some people. But to say that the only reason some people don’t like porn is jealousy is just a blatant lie and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:18 PM
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Personally I take no issue with the idea that my partner might fantasize about other people, but that’s because it’s just a fantasy and nothing more. If he wants to look at other people naked then he can do that single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:58 PM
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dispel every concern they have You can’t logic your way out of the fact that porn addiction is real, ogling other women is disrespectful, and the industry harms women. Even the “ethical” porn is rife with issues. Some guy who allegedly ran a woman-centered porn studio just got arrested for human trafficking. Like it if you want, I don’t care. But you aren’t the end all authority on porn and you saying “because I said so” doesn’t “dispel” a single issue with porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:38 PM
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“I get to decide what everyone else is actually thinking because I’m a man and women make me sad when they say they don’t like porn” Like come on dude. Every single person here is lying but you? I dated a guy with a severe porn addiction for years. I don’t want to put myself through that again. That’s not jealousy, that’s me looking out for myself. Lots of anti-porn women are vehemently anti-literotica too. If you actually look at anti porn communities they’re all lumped in together. Women as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:27 PM
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Some of the comments mention the industry, the private nature of someone’s sexual life with their partner, concerns about porn addiction, impact on sex life, etc etc etc, and somehow it’s still just jealousy to you
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:06 PM
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I think if you actually engage with people on this topic instead of taking one reddit thread you’ll find that it’s a lot more nuanced than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:54 PM
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Hard agree. I am not sure why it’s socially normal to stop looking at other people’s nudes when you enter into a relationship, but it’s actually okay as long as you don’t know the person? The justification and defending of porn is something that is riddled with mental gymnastics. At the end of the day let people do what they want but I feel like being pro-porn-in-relationships isn’t a logically defensible position.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:45 PM
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Exactly. Cheating or not cheating argument aside, the two are not remotely similar in impact
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 05:44 PM
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I think the sexual revolution and the prevalence of the porn industry (specifically OF) are connected but ultimately two separate phenomena. Other than that I agree with you, mostly. Onlyfans has turned into a disturbing pyramid scheme where women are recruiting one another into being essentially pimped out and calling it liberation. It’s extremely concerning to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:18 PM
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Having your likeness used to train AI models without your consent is a bad thing whether it’s something innocuous or pornographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:15 PM
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You’re assuming that he does that and that I have friends he’s attracted to. Idk, maybe the idea of that is concerning? But what am I going to do? You can’t put boundaries on thoughts. That’s obscene. The far more concerning slippery slope to me is the one I’ve seen before - watching so much porn that you lose interest in sex, becoming unable to get hard for sex without looking at porn first, and developing unrealistic standards for what sex looks like due to consuming entirely too much porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:48 PM
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Creating something that could be passed off as real sexual content of someone and potentially saving it or sharing it is WAY different from thinking about someone in your own head
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:36 PM
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Ah okay, you’re making shit up. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:25 PM
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It seems you didn’t read the “as long as it doesn’t lead to anything and I never know about it, why would I care?” part
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:22 PM
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Cool, we can have differing opinions about this subject because we are different people and, unless you’re my boyfriend, we don’t have to be in a relationship. Again, as long as it doesn’t lead to anything and I never know about it, why would I care? Fantasizing about my friends won’t make it impossible to perform like porn can 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:18 PM
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I’m not the thought police? Again, as long as it doesn’t result in actual cheating and has zero impact on our sex life and I don’t find out about it why do you think that’s a big issue? The porn industry harms women and the visual stimulus it provides is intentionally addictive. Fantasizing about one of my friends has neither of those impacts. Being in a relationship doesn’t mean you suddenly will never ever find other people attractive. Sure I’d prefer he didn’t do that but I’m not going to int…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:06 PM
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Do you have anything to back this up besides “trust me bro?”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:02 PM
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Hey if he wanted to jerk off thinking about my friend I don’t have to know about it. As long as he didn’t reach out to that friend, look at that friend’s nudes, or try to initiate anything then he isn’t cheating. To me, cheating is pretty much outsourcing sexual or romantic intimacy in any way - if he’s taking care of business alone and not involving other people or hyper stimulating visuals, I don’t care, as long as it’s not so excessive that it ruins our sex life. Not all erotic literature has…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:01 PM
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Reading smut/erotic fiction/erotica No, for the same reasons I wouldn’t consider reading a book the same as watching a movie. You’re engaging your brain in a different way. Some people try to justify porn use in a relationship as “I’m imagining us in that scenario-“ no, you’re watching other people in that scenario. You can imagine a scenario if you’re reading a book. Just like porn I think many people (re: women) take literotica way too far. I know someone who exclusively reads “dark romance” a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:51 PM
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Dating someone much younger than you is not some proud thing to do
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:41 AM
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You basically said “the sky is blue.” Duh, younger women are more attractive - I get more attention than my mother. Grannies are getting surgery after surgery to look 20 again. Older women kvetch about how men want younger women, and you want them to hush. “Men shouldn’t be shamed for it,” according to you. Same logic applies to gold digging. It’s only natural. A rich man signals an ability to provide. If you think women shouldn’t complain about guys wanting younger women then you shouldn’t have…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:30 AM
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As a society we are all more isolated than ever. Most of us have fewer friends and smaller circles than our parents and grandparents did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:25 AM
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Almost all of these studies have very low numbers though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:02 AM
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Women picking rich men is only natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 04:00 AM
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We were both in college. It was his first job and my third.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 08:50 PM
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I agree with a lot of your points but what do you mean by “pushed into the most dangerous and physically demanding jobs?” Nobody has to do those jobs. There are other jobs. Unless we’re talking about legit slavery I don’t think this is a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:12 PM
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So why can’t you see that this goes both ways? When women say “I hate men, men are bullies/users/whatever,” that’s usually a reaction to men’s behavior. Things like the 4B movement, radical feminism, and all the “misandry” you see are reactions to men’s behavior. You are turning women into feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:11 PM
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When women have kids they’re oftentimes made the “primary parent,” either intentionally or unintentionally. Someone needs to be able to pick the kids up from school if they get sick, take them to appointments, etc etc. Usually it falls on the mom and she either has to reduce hours or go part time in order to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:09 PM
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Stop acting like it never happens anymore? Encourage open and honest discussions about wages in the workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:03 PM
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I was in college, I couldn’t lawyer up. I’m just pointing out that people falsely assume that outright paying women less than men for the same work is a thing of the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:57 PM
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“Illegal” doesn’t mean “never happens.” I’ve said it before on this sub and I’ll say it again, this happened to me. I was paid a dollar less per hour than a man who held the exact same role as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:53 PM
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Men aren’t applying to college at the same rates as women. That’s on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:51 PM
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Lmao, I read the post. Weird how everyone that disagrees with you is “bad faith.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:50 PM
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Weird how you assume I didn’t read anything just because you don’t want to hear what I have to say. It’s better not to engage in debate subreddits if you are going to dismiss whatever you don’t like as “bad faith”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:40 PM
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And I’m countering both OP and Floor’s views. Men don’t have to fight for anything. Recognizing that a gender pay gap exists isn’t “fighting” for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:38 PM
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Have sex with men you don’t want to have sex with Don’t spend money on yourself Don’t apply for college even though that’s one of the only ways to make enough money to survive these days Blame women for men assaulting women Do you read before you hit “post?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:37 PM
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There seems to be some confusion here. I did not say “everything that OP said is correct and right.” I said “acknowledging that there’s a pay gap requires no “fighting” on your part.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:32 PM
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Ok? I said what I said. Not what OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:28 PM
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Acknowledging that there’s a pay gap requires no “fighting” on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 04:26 PM
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Not true. There are no laws anywhere that restrict men’s bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:42 PM
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A man who openly groped and raped women was elected president and has pushed policies that regress women’s rights (abortion bans cropping back up, announcing that the Freedom to Access Clinic Entrances act will no longer be enforced, reclassification of professional degrees held primarily by women, I could go on) and yall will say feminism is unnecessary all fucking day.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:27 PM
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The fact that you see nothing wrong with any of those things proves my point. Men are indifferent to women’s issues and get absolutely irate when women reciprocate that. Misandry is the reaction to men not giving a flying fuck about how other men treat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:20 PM
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What legal rights did women get before men did?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 01:55 PM
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12 million girls are forced into marriage before the age of 18 (“child brides”) annually worldwide Religious-based “honor killings” oftentimes targeting women 18 countries globally have codified into law that women must obey their husbands In 41 countries it’s legal to discriminate against pregnant women when hiring Normalized sexual harassment and objectification Literally being considered less of a priority than the clump of cells in your body the second you get pregnant Yall love to act like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 05:45 AM
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Except a lot of those injustices are still happening. And every time someone brings it up, we get accused of hating men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:46 AM
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Do you know where misandry comes from? It comes from the fact that throughout history, in most societies, women were not by default granted the same rights and privileges as men. To this day, in many parts of the world, women are oppressed and do not have the same rights as men. The systems, rules, and religions that oppress them? All created, upheld, and perpetuated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:32 AM
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Genuinely, go outside and touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:21 PM
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I find it interesting that the misandry examples you provide are all words and phrases. Meanwhile, misogyny manifested itself in our lack of equal rights, our coming second to fetuses (in some places this is still true) and a prevalence of advertisements and media depicting and encouraging violence against us. Misandry is a response to misogyny. Because most of those peaks in the words and phrases correlate to a time when our rights and humanity were for some reason up for debate, by men. Men ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:20 PM
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Negative dating outcomes get pinned on women all the time? “She chose wrong, she was asking for it, she’s stuck in a cycle of abuse,” etc etc etc. Women aren’t a monolith. Some women will forgo all decency standards and stay with a 6’8 woman beater because she values height over everything else. Some women were abused by their fathers and will seek out abusers forever. This is more black and white generalizing and you wouldn’t be asking this question if you looked at the real world and realize t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:17 PM
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Please stay far away from women forever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:31 AM
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This is a vile take. She said no. At one point he was physically forcing her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:16 AM
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Wym “how do I move forward with someone?” Stop when they say no, don’t lie to them. It’s really easy to not sexually assault someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:14 AM
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Sex is women’s only political leverage and power Maybe you’re seeing it this way because the only value women have in your eyes is sex. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:49 PM
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Your grandma was an exception, not the norm. In the 40s the men’s average salary was double women’s average salary. Marriage was a necessity for women if they wanted long term stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:50 PM
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It was more of a necessity for women than men. Inheritance was traced by sons, not daughters. Basic rights came to men first, not women. When your family resources were all going to your brother and you couldn’t go to college, you got married. Women in the U.S. and many western countries could either be a teacher or a nurse, or maybe a seamstress. The options were limited. It was either “womanly” jobs, or being a wife and mother. Men have never experienced those same restrictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:29 PM
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It’s almost like this is a well-documented phenomenon and there are women alive today who grew up in a time where women either married out of necessity or had arranged marriages to men their families picked. But none of that matters to you because it doesn’t make women look bad enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:11 PM
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You didn’t respond to anything else in my comment. Some women were married off to rich nobility. Some women were married off to whatever also poor family was able to give her dad five chickens in exchange for his daughter. Neither of those situations involve the woman having any say in who she married.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:04 PM
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If you go far back enough in history, women oftentimes didn’t even have to consent to marriage. They’d get married off as political pawns if they were rich, or for financial gain for their family. In the more recent past, women couldn’t access higher education or many higher paying fields, so it was either marry who mom and dad picked out or live at home forever. It’s a very recent phenomenon that women have total agency over who they date and marry, and that there’s less outside influence from …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:57 PM
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That’s just factually incorrect but go off I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:40 PM
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Where did I make that assumption? Where did I tie that to you advocating for anything? I asked what you want to happen. Clearly you don’t know what you want to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:22 PM
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Do you know what the word “most” means?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:54 PM
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So men who have no dating experience are cooked if women aren’t supposed to date guys with no past partners
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:37 PM
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Evil selfish dudes who are blatantly evil and selfish are repulsive to most women. Narcissists, manipulators, and liars exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:31 PM
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So you can see that we can’t quantify “worse” when women in many parts of the world are seen as subhuman. There’s different “bads.” Personally I’d rather be able to vote and make my own money and be at a higher risk for dying young. It sounds like you’d rather be oppressed but live longer. We cannot say, with data and numbers and logic, that one gender has it worse than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:25 PM
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I’m not defending it, I’m explaining why it’s a thing. Implying meaning is something you do every single day in almost every conversation you have. If I ask my friends if they want to go for a picnic and they say “it’s raining,” they’re doing the exact same thing. Making implications is just a part of human communication. It’s how we express opinions in socially acceptable ways, communicate information, answer questions…. etc etc etc This is really context dependent though. Like I said, assuming…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:23 PM
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So what about the fact that women have equal rights in only 14 countries globally
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:10 PM
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Intent doesn’t excuse you from impact. Some people (this is not exclusive to women btw) do take it to extremes, but you can pretty easily see how your words carry more than just dictionary meanings. Taking your first example, “it’s not good to lead someone on if the feelings aren’t there” with the response of “women aren’t obligated to sleep with you.” Assuming this is happening in the context of you communicating with someone who led you on. While you’re right, the person you said that to could…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:07 PM
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I don’t think you know what gaslighting means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:58 PM
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So every single man is going to die younger than every single woman and will contract diseases and be a victim? Come on now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:58 PM
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Sure, here’s one. https://tennesseelookout.com/2024/02/08/a-punch-in-the-gut-women-accuse-johnson-city-officials-of-victim-blaming-in-serial-rape-case/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:51 PM
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Ah, makes sense. You’re right though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:47 PM
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They aren’t? Women get blamed for men’s actions all the time. “She was asking for it,” “she was leading him on,” “she chose an asshole,” etc etc etc The interesting hobbies bit is purely because men complain about struggling to meet women online and it’s an easy way to set yourself apart from the masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:32 PM
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I mean yeah. It is. I’ve ended a relationship over this. Not sure who’d disagree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:30 PM
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I asked you what you think the benefits of “blaming women more” are and what you want to happen and you haven’t answered. I also never said that you were advocating for rape or forced marriages. You extrapolated that from my comment somehow. I’m not sure if you’re a reliable authority on what constitutes good discussion if you’re the one who is refusing to engage in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 05:03 PM
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So what do you think should happen? And how do you think “blaming women more” would fix anything for anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:28 PM
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a system is failing because one group is setting impossible standards Dating isn’t a system, and saying “it’s failing” because it’s not working in your favor isn’t a valid argument. Dating is working, for the first time ever, in a way that lets women have total consent in their relationships. For hundreds of years women were forcibly married off and made to pump out kids. Now, a woman can have a stable career and a fulfilling life, hell even a family, without involving a man if she doesn’t want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:04 PM
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Respect? Yes, in fact I’m pretty envious of people who have jobs that allow for 2-3 hours of free time, flexibility with schedules, and beer over lunch. I think I’d lose a lot of respect if my partner had a job like that (he does tbh) and he didn’t pick up a little more of the housework. Because if your job gives you 2-3 hours of free time plus no commute, while the other person is commuting and also doesn’t have that window of whatever time, it creates a pretty significant imbalance in free tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:26 PM
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It isn’t strawmanning? Also where is this 70% coming from? Can you link a study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:39 PM
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Men are more likely to be assaulted by another man than by their female romantic partner. Also, it’s not “waayy more.” There’s differing data on how much IPV is committed by men and women, but most studies have a nearly 50/50 split, unless there’s some secret other data you want to provide me with?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:40 AM
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There doesn’t exist a solution as it stands right now. Personally? I think humanity should continue, but with everyone isolating and the world moving online I don’t think we’re on the right path to making that happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:37 AM
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The odds for men getting raped or battered meeting a woman for the first time are even lower
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:36 AM
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I find it really interesting that you hand the human extinction hat on “nobody HAS to do anything” and not the fact that having a child and raising it in a healthy, stable environment is nigh impossible for many people around the world right now. If there is a dusk of humanity, it’s going to be more to do with late stage capitalism than women’s freedom to say no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:27 AM
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Where are you getting “over 70 percent” from? I’m specifically talking about violence within dating, not in a relationship. As in, going out to meet someone for the first time at a bar/restaurant/whatever. Women are more likely to be assaulted in those encounters than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:24 AM
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Genuinely, how so? How does the average man have a worse life than the average woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:21 AM
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I vetted out dudes that I felt unsafe with
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:50 AM
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I already have a partner so I don’t have to deal with that anymore yippee
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:14 AM
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Women step into a world where attention, validation, and desire start flowing in often passively. Have you ever spoken to a woman, like ever? Many of us did not have this experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:37 AM
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Oh I hate questions like this. This isn’t a comparison we can actually make. Everyone’s “hard” is different. I have crippling anxiety and legitimate health issues from my incredibly stressful career, but I make enough to stay afloat and keep a roof over my head. Someone else might look at me and think my life is peaches and cream because they have a chill job and make very little and live at home. Some people are homeless. Some people work jobs that expect them to be on call 24/7 and make millio…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:33 AM
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PUA/TRP are oftentimes well meaning in that there are social skills that people need to learn in order to be successful dating, but a lot of PUA/TRP spaces are so full of covert or outright misogyny that those views end up getting sort of bundled in with the social skills that people want to learn to be successful in dating. Learning social skills good. Learning social skills from people who believe women are objects bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:32 AM
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What hoops? What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:30 AM
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Simply pointing out that in a heterosexual dating context, a man is at significantly lower risk of experiencing assault compared to a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:28 AM
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By other men in non romantic contexts
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:49 AM
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Women who can orgasm vaginally are probably getting off from just penetration more often than women who can only orgasm clitorally. I think this is a correlation, not a causation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:58 PM
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It’s too bad you don’t actually listen to feminists beyond the cherry picked rage bait because “feminists never argue against bi-phobic women” is a complete fucking lie
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 09:56 PM
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Yes… making generalizing and rude comments towards an entire gender would render one an ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 05:00 PM
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I’m not disagreeing with you. There are social consequences for being an ass. Big surprise. I find it interesting that you claim you aren’t making any implications about what should or shouldn’t happen, but you make a roundabout claim about how you’re being “silenced” and you have to go to anonymous forums to “speak the truth” about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:18 PM
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Otherwise you will be labeled a misogynist and suffer social repercussions. You’re mad that people don’t like it when you’re generalizing women in a negative way. You have freedom of speech and can make decisions about how you want to interact with other people, and other people have those exact same freedoms. Why do you think you should be immune to consequences when you speak badly about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:03 PM
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That isn’t a strawman. Your entire post is you complaining about how you don’t feel like you can openly shit talk 50% of the population because people don’t like it when you do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:56 PM
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“All manipulation attempts are very transparent and obvious” “I’ve worked out a very effective system for detecting people lying to me and bad character red flags in 1 hour or less” So you decide in your head what reality is and project that reality on to people?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:20 PM
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Oh no, people don’t like being generalized and will say something if they disagree with you!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:57 PM
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No, it doesn’t. Can you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:40 PM
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Bingo. The boogeyman feminists people love to call out here aren’t the ones that are actually like… representing feminism. Almost like they have to cherry pick the feminists that best prove their points and ignore the rest
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:31 AM
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This is just pure generalization. Not even a valid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:54 PM
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It’s easier for men to get off. If a woman is bad in bed, odds are the dude still got off. If a man is bad in bed, odds are the woman did not get off.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:43 PM
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So the cons outweigh the pros, to you. Some people don’t want to be alone, some people want to start families, and those pros might be enough to outweigh all the cons. This is a highly individual subject that you’re attempting to project onto every man’s experience and goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:33 PM
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Oh, I see, you’re trying to equate women to money. The “gotcha” is supposed to be that we want advice from person B, which is the “men” option. Lmao. I love people posting shit like this because you once again demonstrate that you only see the top 5% of women and absolutely flat out refuse to acknowledge that any other women exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 10:30 PM
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RP and manosphere in general are horribly misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:42 PM
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I find that it’s joked about or weaponized when men are acting particularly shitty. Like I saw an Instagram reel that was a compilation of male podcasters saying atrociously evil shit about women, and the top comments were mostly “men aren’t lonely enough!”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 08:34 PM
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I paid for a lot of the dates I went on when I was single, and I asked a lot of the guys out. More huge and stupid generalizations passed off as truth. Another day in PPD
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 07:29 PM
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I think if you see interacting with a penis as “gross and unnatural,” you shouldn’t be dating men
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:04 PM
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I wouldn’t do any of those things
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 02:55 PM
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So your evidence to prove your point that is incorrect, is a post that you wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:02 PM
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I think you’re blowing this way out of proportion. This is a good thing for dudes who can’t get laid and for dudes who don’t see any value in dating beyond sex. It’s not going to be a perfect replica of actual sex with another human being. Odds are the guys who have experienced the real thing won’t immediately dump their girlfriends and hop in line to buy an expensive sex robot that can’t give them children, provide emotional connection, or act as an actual human partner could. It’s not sex anyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 12:15 AM
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Except that isn’t what happened. You replied “fixing” my comment and twisting what I said to something completely different. Come to a debate sub, decide you are omniscient and get to dictate what other people are actually saying, spam walls of text when someone doesn’t wanna read your bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:31 PM
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Lmao what 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 11:29 PM
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Social isolation, part of the cause of men’s dating woes, is caused by capitalism. It’s not a direct causal relationship but it doesn’t help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 10:43 PM
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Not gonna read your giant wall of text. I said what I said. Unless you’re a brain worm or I’m actually experiencing DID, you don’t get to decide what I actually meant because I said what I meant. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 10:22 PM
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Changing what I said into what you wanted me to say doesn’t count as “fixing” anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:54 PM
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We could turn this around and ask the same question of men - if you guys dislike users, women with sexual pasts, and women who date assholes so bad, why are you taking issue with the women and not the men who entertain and reinforce their behaviors? To answer your question though, women aren’t a collective. I’m not going to harass women who don’t like being approached because I disagree. I’m not going to dm porn stars on Instagram and demand that they stop doing what they’re doing. I don’t have …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:24 PM
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If that gets dudes who only see women as sex objects out of the dating market, I’m all for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:47 PM
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What does that have to do with anything I said I’m in my 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 01:36 PM
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Sex work is different from other jobs and it’s quite silly to act like it isn’t. There was a story about a high school teacher who did OnlyFans losing her job because the school found out. If you do a stint as a stripper or escort, in most places you cannot put that on a resume or you will just flat out not get a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 05:35 PM
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Where did I say anything about rules? What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:12 AM
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Do you understand why the dynamic exists? It’s because women value quality relationships over shitty ones. Women are more comfortable being alone. There was a study done on women’s happiness while single vs mens happiness while single. Guess who doesn’t mind the single life? It’s because most women would prefer being single over being in a bad relationship, or compromising on things that are important to them. Part of this is the fact that there are so many men who would be okay dating just anyb…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:24 AM
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Because it furthers agendas for everyone. For those of us on the left, the absolute agency that sex work promises - women can finally profit off of what is sometimes forcefully taken from us, and what we are oftentimes subject to without our consent. As a leftist and a feminist, I don’t really agree with the idea that sex work is a net positive for women but that’s just me. For libertarian republicans, limited government interference and the will of the free market to provide a supply for which …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:45 PM
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Sex work is work. Sex work is not a “job like any other job.”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:42 PM
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Sex work is work, but it isn’t “just like any other job.”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:39 PM
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Educating kids about responsible sexuality isn’t the same thing as promoting sex work. Allowing a porn star to come to career day is very different from teaching kids about consent, safety, and staying within the bounds of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:33 PM
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We shouldn’t promote sex work to kids just like we shouldn’t show them porn at school. It’s not appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:25 PM
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Lmaoooooooooo
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:27 PM
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Lmfao w h a t? Do you actually believe that women receive any of this treatment
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:22 PM
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I don’t understand why this has come up multiple times - someone being conventionally attractive and potentially able to find someone else - and nobody sees that it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual relationship itself unless whoever is hot is making it a part of their relationship. If that’s the case, it’s phenomenally shitty behavior. But that isn’t the norm and it’s silly to act like it is. Already said it in another comment and I’ll say it again - do you really think so poorly of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:13 PM
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So what, if you’re hot then every guy will just do whatever you want? Do you really think that little of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:11 PM
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Not every woman wants to or will fuck whoever though? It’s also pretty weird to equate sexual power with financial power. If you are hot and can get laid…. you’re hot and can get laid. That’s about the only benefit that comes from it. If you’re wealthy, well connected, a respected person in a field or community, there’s a lot more objective benefits that come with that. Financial stability, people willing to play defense for you, resources, etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:46 PM
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Funny, you didn’t even make any real points. Most of this is just you venting about not liking your sister. But since you are convinced that you made a compelling argument, I’ll explain exactly why you didn’t, point by point. The lack of original thought and the “socially correct” filter. If you actually talk to women, you’ll find a lot of us can’t agree on anything. We have diverse opinions on a lot of things. You claim that your willingness to be the “villain of the hour” is superior somehow, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:01 PM
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This is just misogyny. I don’t use that term lightly. You’re taking your sister and painting all of womanhood as being the exact same and justifying dismissing us entirely because… your sister didn’t get a good degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:18 PM
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Same. I vetted pretty hardcore last time I was looking for a relationship. It’s just never worth it to put yourself into a situation where you’re going to be constantly disappointed, hurt, or treated poorly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:16 PM
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I went on a lot of first dates with people who ended up showing lots of red flags. My partner wasn’t the one who assaulted or harassed me. Those were dudes who never saw me again after that Probably didn’t word that all right. My partner is a walking green flag
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:35 PM
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I was willing to wade through the red flags to find someone worth dating. I want to have a family one day and I’d like to start thinking about settling down. Along the way I was assaulted. It sucked and it was scary. Other than that I was harassed after turning someone down multiple times Are these issues exclusive to dating as a woman? No. But I haven’t met a guy who has had a similar experience. The issues are different from what I can tell - men are more likely to be ghosted, women risk getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:27 PM
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The study i linked is comparing single women’s happiness to single men’s happiness. Not married vs single. That’s a whole other topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 04:24 PM
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Weird, considering men are almost always the ones moaning online about how they can’t get a date and a study already found that men are more likely to be unhappy about being single than women are https://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/news/new-study-finds-single-women-are-happier-single-men
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 03:23 PM
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I was referencing this study but ok https://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/news/new-study-finds-single-women-are-happier-single-men
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:39 PM
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I love how some dudes will see a handful of women behave like users and apply that to all women. Generalizations for me but not for thee ahh comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:34 PM
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I’m not sure why you’re quoting someone else’s comment at me
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:23 PM
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Have you been in a relationship where the woman liked you more? And can you compare it to a relationship where that wasn’t the case? Or are you just saying whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:17 PM
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I mean, yeah. This is something that people who find themselves stuck in cycles of abusive relationships are often told. If you think all women are users then maybe stop dating until you either figure out why you come to that conclusion or find enough joy in solitude to be fine without partnership. There are women out there who will try to use you, but most women won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 01:04 PM
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I feel like that’s kind of excessive but hey it’s your life. If you’re always getting off to porn that might be a sign of addiction though lowkey
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:20 PM
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Not sure what gender you identify with but you’re either a bit misandristic or self-hating. Scratch that you’re actually a misogynist to top it all off. A woman’s value is in her sex appeal? Do you really hate everybody that bad? Life isn’t just about sex to most people. Men have a lot to offer in a relationship. Companionship at the very least, but emotional support, stability, love, potential to start a family, etc etc etc. If you feel so strongly about men bringing nothing to the table, date …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:19 PM
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it’s very hard to find a woman who doesn’t have this mentality It really isn’t. If you’re attracting users then clearly something about you is attractive to users. That aside I agree with you sorta. Dudes are unhappier being single than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:17 PM
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I mean it is a tell if someone decides to send you unsolicited nudes or somethin but beyond that you can’t get a full picture of someone over the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:07 PM
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I mean even if you just think they’re glorified babysitters then they should be paid the going rate for babysitting a kid 8 hours a day times the number of students. On top of that, they have to make sure each kid meets standards for graduating, which should be more. As a teacher myself I’ve gone through periods where I’ve had to work a second job just to stay afloat. So no, I don’t think teachers are paid enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 10:06 PM
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There’s no real way to vet anybody’s character online. This isn’t a gendered thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 09:43 PM
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Okay, so there was bad policy put in place with the intention of protecting victims over perpetrators. We can see that it didn’t work out and it got rescinded. What about MRAs who campaigned against a women’s right to an abortion and have found success there? What about MRAs who advocate for life sentences for women who cannot successfully prove their accusations, even if they are true? There are extremes to all ideologies that are bad. That doesn’t make the ideology itself bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:19 PM
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Well, considering I’m not the Canadian government circa 2013, I don’t think I can give the most concrete answer but I can speculate on a few reasons why. We now know that intimate partner violence is committed by both men and women at about equal rates. The study that found that was not published until 2018, 5 years after Earl Silverman’s death. For a very long time, male-on-female IPV was the most visible due to available data and the fact that men who commit IPV are more likely to leave marks …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 07:10 PM
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His organization didn’t receive government funding and police refused to help him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:44 PM
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The only pillars of capitalism are private ownership, free markets, and limited government intervention. Ascribing any of that to feminism with zero nuance or understanding of how it can interact with capitalism is just “women bad.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:26 PM
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No. We don’t. Again, you clearly don’t actually do your homework before writing walls of text soapboxing about the evils of feminism. Source for any of this? I couldn’t find any of that on my own
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:09 PM
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So do you actually talk to feminists or listen to anything we have to say, or have you just decided on your own that that’s what we want? Because that is not something that feminists want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 06:00 PM
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How so? What fundamental rights of men are being compromised?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:58 PM
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I wouldn’t say it’s a pillar, and I would say pop feminism does have a connection to capitalism but more so in the overconsumption way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:14 PM
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I just became familiar with that story not long ago. If I remember correctly, it was shut down due to lack of funding from the local government. It’s very tragic, but I think people bring this instance up and misappropriate the shutdown to feminism, when in reality it was because the local government did not provide any support to the shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:14 PM
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Um, yeah. Because I dress how I like to dress. My boyfriend met me when I dressed sexy. I will continue to dress sexy. Dressing sexy is not “advertising myself,” it’s wearing clothes. If you genuinely believe that someone’s outfit is an invitation to treat them a specific way then I hope you stay inside as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:54 PM
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So teachers are underpaid?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:51 PM
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feminists don’t like that male DV shelters get govt funding because it will take away from their cut. Where are you getting this from? Because last time I checked, feminists don’t care and we aren’t receiving some sort of ‘cut’ for every dv shelter out there. feminists do real harm. Take Metoo for example. If you don’t like women speaking up about experiencing sexual assault, then maybe men should stop sexually assaulting women? “Me Too” actually empowered a few male friends of mine to finally s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:48 PM
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It would. Except again, men aren’t applying to be teachers or majoring in education at the same rate as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:44 PM
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So why are you not a teacher if it’s so easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:43 PM
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Many of my closest friends are guys. I don’t really view it as different from my female friendships, but I’ve always had a lot of guy friends so to me it’s normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:06 PM
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I think it’s warranted because a lot of those vents can turn very misogynistic, very fast, if it’s a guy venting about his dating troubles. Do I think those people shouldn’t have a space to vent? No. I think it’s valid to be frustrated and upset, and talking about it can be helpful, but when you put it in a space where people frequently take it to extremes (Reddit in general) it can often do more harm than good.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 05:03 PM
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Except I did? Creating barriers for people to get jobs in a field where there’s a shortage is a horrible idea
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:34 PM
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I think talking about their girlfriends’ driving habits is one thing. If they were implying that all women are bad drivers or something, then I think it would be reasonable to say something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 05:08 PM
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Why aren’t men applying to be teachers then? Is it that it’s a job that they don’t want to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:28 PM
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In the U.S. there’s a huge teacher shortage happening. A lot of schools, specifically rural ones, are experiencing understaffing and a lack of retention. It would be just plain idiotic to create any barriers to entering the field here, especially in public schools where the need is greatest. The best resolution is to invest more in education. It’s not a lucrative career - multiple men I know have commented on my decision to teach and reminded me that the pay is ass. The pay is ass. Maybe if the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:27 PM
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It probably is just that teaching isn’t as appealing to men Similarly to how most construction workers are male. It’s just not a job that women are seeking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:24 PM
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I work in education. Men aren’t applying to be teachers or enrolling in degrees to become teachers. Women are filling these roles because men don’t want them. I think offering scholarships, reduced tuition, or accelerated degree programs for men could start to resolve this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:40 PM
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You’re arguing about a word that you clearly do not understand the meaning of
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:12 PM
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Yes, you can learn social skills. Think about learning a language. The fastest way to proficiency is through total immersion. The quickest way to develop your social skills is to throw yourself into social situations. If you live in a larger city or even just one with a university nearby, there are endless opportunities for socialization. Bars, parties, concerts, clubs, adult sports teams, just by going and talking to people a whole bunch you will learn what you need to learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:35 PM
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You don’t know what egalitarian actually means
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:55 AM
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IMO split based on income makes sense if there’s a large disparity and if one person wants to spend more than the other for whatever reason Other than that, I think 50/50 is the way
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 12:30 AM
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This guy gets it
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 11:35 PM
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A lot of it is just blatant entitlement. “Fairness” is when you get paid the same as someone who does the same job as you. “Fairness” is not you getting a shot with every girl you want because you’re struggling with dating and can’t find joy or meaning beyond pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:07 PM
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Yes and yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:37 PM
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It’s not a matter of anti-abortion laws could harm women - they do. Women die when the fetus is prioritized over them. There’s been multiple high-profile cases of this happening recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:30 PM
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So do you think that the government one day saying “okay, women can now work and you should hire them” would have been enough to make sure that women everywhere had a fair shot at entering the workforce?? “DEI”/ “affirmative action” policies were put in place to give women a fair shot at getting hired or getting into college. Because if they didn’t exist, companies would be allowed to turn down the best possible candidate for being a woman, employers would be allowed to ask about your pregnancy …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:26 PM
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Affirmative action for women was necessary at a time, considering it was legal to refuse hiring women due to them potentially getting pregnant and needing to take time off, and incentivizing women opening businesses led to more women opening businesses and getting women into the workforce. Many women are either anti draft or support an equal draft, but the draft itself is so low on people’s lists nowadays because we haven’t used it in many people’s living memory and no politicians ever campaign …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:00 PM
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But if the man was better than her it wasn’t an egalitarian relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 03:22 PM
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That has nothing to do with a relationship being egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:31 PM
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So your argument is that women are prone to leaving relationships when they’re unhappy, not that women don’t like egalitarian relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 12:11 PM
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Except neither person has to put up with anything they don’t like. Both parties are always capable of leaving the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:27 AM
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So if two people are 6s according to you, and they have an egalitarian relationship where they split costs and household chores and childcare 50/50, how does the woman having a higher likelihood of being able to find someone else faster should she choose to leave make the man’s life harder or less equal? Explain like I’m 5, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:20 AM
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What does that have to do with egalitarian relationships? In an egalitarian relationship, both parties contribute and share in responsibilities like paying for housing, kids, et cetera et cetera. You’re talking about something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:08 AM
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Your only definition of “egalitarian” centers on each person’s ability to find a new relationship as opposed to things that actually happen within the relationship. Framing women as more powerful by default because there are more men trying to date than there are women trying to date. In a truly egalitarian relationship both parties benefit because it’s about sharing expenses and decision making and the like, not whoever could exit the relationship and get laid the fastest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:58 AM
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He just needs a lil more time to cook. Congrats mama!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:41 PM
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As blue-pillers in USA-like nations, your aim is to help women. I asked you this yesterday and you didn’t answer, so I’ll ask again: since BP isn’t actually an ideology and is simply the antithesis of RP, is this an admission that RP folks hate women? Adding on to that - what are the specific observations regarding women not caring about the rules, and how are men not doing the same thing? Men still commit more crimes than women do. Men haven’t lost any rights in the wake of feminism, because po…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:32 PM
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But….. you’re doing the exact same thing you’re complaining about? “Feminists will say x” okay did you ask feminists these questions? Did they all answer the same way? Did you ask every single self-identifying feminist, or are you just cherry picking the ones you see on TikTok and ascribing their views to all of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:16 PM
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I have no idea how I’d react. I’d be heartbroken for one, and would probably be so for a long time. I don’t know how long I’d wait to move on or how it would affect my life. I’m not very old so I’m not going to lie, I’d probably end up trying to find love again one day, but not for a very long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:06 PM
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Everybody knows that people of both sexes are capable of being toxic or bad. This isn’t a pot calling the kettle black situation. You’re generalizing women as all being disrespectful of men’s boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:04 AM
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So you’ve seen a few women disrespect boundaries. I’ve seen a few men disrespect boundaries. I’m not gonna make a post claiming that all men disrespect women’s boundaries because I know that I haven’t met every man on earth. It’s almost like everyone is capable of disrespecting other people’s boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:36 PM
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So what about modern MRAs or red pillers going to extremes? Is that not a problem? Is it only bad when women behave poorly? Also, what specific examples of “social programming” are you talking about? Is it bad that women feel safe to talk about their experiences being assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 11:07 PM
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Except dating is already globalized. You are already allowed to go to any part of the world to try to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:32 PM
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As blue-pillers, you aim to help women. Blue pill isn’t a cohesive ideology like red pill. It’s simply, the antithesis of red pill. Are you acknowledging that red pill ideology is objectively harmful to women? Thanks to feminism I have the right to have a job, get paid equally, decide when I have children, and vote. If you think that’s harmful to society, then idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:31 PM
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Are you a woman? Are you the world’s leading expert on what might influence women’s thinking? Or are you just speculating that the reasoning is whatever makes these woman look as bad as possible? I never said that couldn’t have an impact. I’m telling you that a big piece of it is probably the fact that a lot of women my age and older grew up seeing our moms stay at home and depend on our dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:40 PM
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Multiple times actually
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:34 PM
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I don’t think you understand what I said or you did not read it. Some of the women that OP refers to have likely grown up seeing women depend entirely on men. No job, no prospects, just motherhood. I’m not saying it’s okay or it’s not annoying when they make it their entire personality, but I’m explaining the phenomenon a little as a woman who has grown up watching women depend on men. You don’t have to want to date them. You don’t have to like it. But some women are proud of their independence …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:53 PM
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We’re only like the 2nd/3rd generation where being independent is even an option, let alone a realistic one. Most of these women grew up seeing their moms or grandmas tied to a man and be reliant on a man. Also, some men do hate independent women. You clearly don’t like them. I wouldn’t even identify myself as the kind of person who throws my independence around as a talking point, and I’ve had guys tell me that I need to learn to listen to men more and that guys don’t like girls who care about …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:21 PM
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This was like a super tight friend group where we all did everything together and lots of us lived together / saw each other almost every day The only reason I’d avoid dating someone who I originally met within that friend group ever again is out of fear of the same thing happening Of course my partner has met my friends and I’ve met his, but I wouldn’t consider them a part of my in group and I don’t think he’d consider mine part of his. Of course we all get along fine, but there’s an element of…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:26 PM
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I disagree. I think men should be open to it, and so should women, but only if it’s affordable for them and only if the interest is mutual. As in, if the vibes are great and both people have a great time, I think one person picking up the bill for both is a good way to signal interest and “lower the barrier” so to speak for them to keep seeing one another. I think the idea of men always paying for the first date is outdated - it comes from a time when women didn’t work and therefore couldn’t pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:28 PM
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Kissing someone if the vibe is right even though you haven’t discussed it yet isn’t “pushing boundaries” Kissing someone who said they don’t want to be kissed is pushing boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:24 PM
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I dated someone who had been in my friend group for years. The relationship crashed and burned, and he hasn’t communicated with anyone in said friend group in years. I wouldn’t do that again, because if it doesn’t work out it creates a weird dynamic where you want to avoid each other and that causes problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:14 PM
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Men struggle with dating because more of them want to do it. Women are by and large happier being single than men are. Because we are more likely to have stronger community ties, better relationships with our families, etc etc etc On top of that a lot of men would rather be in a shitty and unhappy relationship than be single. So the ones who are dating are all competing for a smaller pool of women who are less likely to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:09 PM
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That just isn’t the truth. What about ugly guys who pull boss babes that end up fully funding their lives? Don’t say that never happens - I know multiple couples like that. What about average guys who are in relationships with average women? Again, you probably spend too much time online and not actually talking to actual people and realizing that average dudes/ “non apex” men aren’t completely excluded from being found attractive. They might not be as widely appealing as like Channing Tatum or …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:36 PM
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Sex work is an oftentimes unsafe profession in which primarily the most attractive will make a lot of money, while the least attractive will make nothing. That’s not an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:23 PM
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Women are attracted to people who aren’t in “the apex” all the time. This is the problem. You’ve all become so terminally online that you’ve forgotten how real people work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:14 PM
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So do I by default have an easier life than a billionaire man who was born into wealth and will never have to work a day in his life, because of my biology?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:57 AM
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I hate when people bring up the stupid bear analogy. That was some terminally online bullshit, and if you genuinely believe that every woman alive would pick the bear, then you have no business trying to interact with women anyways since you clearly cannot differentiate between the individual and the whole. We did not “almost universally answer” that question. You fell victim to sensationalism. All that being said, women fear men in specific contexts. I’d be scared shitless if a guy came up to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:50 AM
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I’m receiving the full girlfriend treatment. Because I’m his girlfriend. I’m not the world’s most romantic person. I am a black cat. I like my alone time and my private space. I don’t care if he did a bunch of huge romantic gestures for his ex and I couldn’t care less if he paid for her nails or her purses or whatever. I’m a different person with different needs and wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 09:55 PM
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I actually do know for a fact that my partner did a lot financially for his ex that he doesn’t do for me. He bought her a lot of stuff, like clothes and the like, and paid for her nails/hair/etc while also helping her with a place to stay. I don’t expect that same treatment because I also know he felt pressured to do all of that in his first relationship, and he had low self esteem that led him to believe that that was all necessary in order to keep his ex around. Spoiler alert, she left him any…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:22 PM
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If he was willing to cook, clean, be the primary caretaker of our kids, and manage the finances, I wouldn’t have an issue with it as long as I made enough to support both of us plus kids and hit all our financial goals Problem is that’s not feasible for people in my age bracket at this point and in all likelihood we will both continue working full time. I don’t make enough to support a family on my own. I will probably never be able to take any extended time off of work even if I have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:17 PM
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In my experience a lot of men don’t really want dating advice though, they want to get laid and that’s a completely different avenue. In all seriousness, none of that advice is objectively bad. There’s nuance to all of it though right? Like “be open about your feelings early on” doesn’t mean trauma dump on the first date, it means let her know your intentions and TELL HER you are attracted to her. If you refuse to see nuance or even recognize that women’s advice might not be exactly what you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 05:56 PM
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It’s the porn. Young women are seeing the kinds of porn that are popular, especially with men - porn where women are abused, degraded, demeaned, and used as props.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:16 PM
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Sexist commentary towards men largely doesn’t involve implying that men shouldn’t have rights or bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:17 PM
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If you have such a problem with women “dominating” education, why don’t you go become a teacher?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:17 PM
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Where are those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:16 PM
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Sure, if a man is dead set on a white woman as a partner, the odds are about 50/50. But white women aren’t the only women that exist. Also - notice how I used the word many and not most or all. I never said a majority of women were left of center. But for a lot of the ones who are, dating a Republican is undesirable. See here: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/04/24/most-democrats-who-are-looking-for-a-relationship-would-not-consider-dating-a-trump-voter/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:58 PM
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