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The thing MRA people get wrong is they're trying to do feminism in reverse. They bought into the whole "equality of the sexes" crap and they want their own little version of equality for men as well. Problem is there is no such thing. Equality is made up. Sexes are different. Roles are different. It's sort of pathetic honestly how people come in here to post this sort of thing for upvotes, just because a sign or advertisement wasn't superficially gender equal. It's exactly the same sort of obnox…
/r/MensRights02/03/15 05:45 PM
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Maybe the op wasn't wrong. Maybe she actually did want to go out on a date with him. It's possible that he just called at exactly the wrong time. Maybe her boyfriend had stopped by for a few minutes to drop something off right when op was trying to call this girl. Maybe she was forced into a position of making up this bullshit story about tips to cover for herself making dates with other guys. It's honestly a fucked up thing to do to your boyfriend, to give out your number to other guys and forc…
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 11:14 PM
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I never get this about TRP. A lot of guys who post stuff like this here go out of their way to self-criticize. This guy isn't even attempting to disagree or make excuses about the situation. He acknowledges that he fucked up, that a made a mistake, that he'll take the opportunity to not make the same errors again. But despite this wannabe alphas always dogpile the op of threads like this to tell him how stupid he is. What's the point? Why turn it into a dig measuring contest? Why try to come in …
/r/TheRedPill24/02/15 11:10 PM
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Feminism is a manifestation of traditionalism, not the revolutionary overthrow of tradition. It is traditional for society, in times of change, uncertainty or hardship, to develop anxiety surrounding the safety of 'its' women. Blacks, immigrants, the poor, fraternities etc are hysterically blamed for an epidemic of rape, domestic violence, or white slavery among other things.
/r/MensRights11/12/14 09:52 PM
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That's just how it is with this anti-victim blaming stuff. I think with a lot of these girls making 'false' accusations that it's a case where their stories get out of their control and where they're put in a position of getting so much attention and scrutiny that they feel like they can't recant. It probably begins as a white lie to a friend that the accuser feels will never be investigated any further by anyone. For whatever reason they get themselves in a position where they misrepresent a se…
/r/MensRights05/12/14 08:54 PM
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Yeah, this makes absolutely no sense to me either. Not only does she say that she was completely sober that night but the location of frat houses on university campuses is not some kind of huge secret. It's just confusing, it seems like she's saying here that she didn't know what fraternity house she was in or what frat her date was actually a member of, at least not at the time of the actual assault. She seems to be implying that she didn't actually know until a year later when someone pointed …
/r/MensRights05/12/14 08:29 PM
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That last sentence is what trouble me most about this. That image on the article of a crowd with banners outside the building. Do we live in a culture of trial by mob now? Yes.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 08:21 PM
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For a long time I didn't really go on the internet at all, I just studied Early Modern history, philosophy and literature independently and sort of built up my own curriculum through an honest adherence to scholarly standards. At the same time I found my own beliefs with regards to contemporary politics, Feminism, Social Justice etc becoming much more conservative, which isn't actually surprising, as many of the great liberal thinkers like the members of Johnson's club or Goethe are almost notor…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/14 05:44 PM
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This is something that endlessly annoys me about a lot of the stuff I see posted on this sub. Nearly every one of the major red pill authors praised by this sub are nothing more than self-help writers, not literary men, not philosophers, or theorists, but would be gurus who advocate doing steroids, tanning, drinking scotch, smoking cigars etc. Following that advice is like cosplaying masculinity, it's ridiculous and in no way noble or heroic. That's why I continue to advocate for people like Goe…
/r/TheRedPill24/11/14 07:17 PM
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Feminists would be spewing out think pieces defending her ability to wear whatever she wants. Many Feminists, like Scout Willis, resent the expectation that they even cover themselves at all. This shit was designed by a female pinup artist and the guy in question clearly is just a fan of that sort of retro pop culture memorabilia kitsch stuff. What's really unfair about it is that Feminists love pinups and pinup fashion. xojane may be decrying this guy's decision now but there are multiple artic…
/r/MensRights15/11/14 03:26 AM
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http://www.amazon.com/Aesthetic-Education-Dover-Western-Philosophy/dp/0486437396/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1415657735&sr=8-1&keywords=aesthetic+education+of+man
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 10:15 PM
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This is what I don't get, the whole 50-50 brain split he's talking about I think is all in his head. I guess I don't understand how what he's describing in the op isn't actually completely normal. He's different at work than at home? Ok... He's more intimate and emotional and open with his partner than with associates at work? His tone of voice changes when he's busy or involved with something? We all have different sides or aspects to ourself, and it's very common for us to personify these side…
/r/TheRedPill10/11/14 07:14 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer
/r/MensRights20/10/14 01:32 PM
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Tan? Sometimes I have to cringe when I see guys on /r/theredpill acting like their beauty regimens are super masculine.
/r/TheRedPill15/10/14 02:37 AM
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Ad hominem
/r/MensRights11/09/14 06:11 PM
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All the fallacy stuff is bullshit. For example, I wouldn't say that ad hominem was a logical fallacy so much as it was a valid rhetorical technique. I would say ditch this stupid chart and actually read Aristotle: http://www.amazon.com/Aristotle-Prior-Analytics/dp/0872200647/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1410442774&sr=8-1&keywords=aristotle+prior+analytics
/r/MensRights11/09/14 01:42 PM
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"Those who have so far undertaken to unfold the progress of the centuries for the most part have in the process the pet idea: Progress to more virtue, to the greater happiness of the individual man. People have then, for this purpose, exaggerated or made up facts, understated or suppressed others, hidden entire perspectives, taken words for deeds, enlightenment for happiness, more and subtler ideas for virtue -- and in this way people have made up novels about the "universally progressing improv…
/r/MensRights02/09/14 08:03 PM
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But taking away the rights of other peoples so they can't afflict subjectively perceived, indirect harm on you is doing harm to them... The thought process is very circuitous and goes against genuinely liberal principles of objective or impartial governance. In your analogy deciding to not associate with someone, to not bake someone a cake, is punching them in the face... Compelling them to associate isn't violent at all... It's preventing them from doing violence! Do you see the twisted logic a…
/r/MensRights01/09/14 09:19 PM
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Most young people struggle to grasp that the universality of a right is what makes it important. The right of free association allows gay people to marry, but it also allows religious dissenters to decline association in the case of, lets say, baking a gay couple a wedding cake. Most young people aren't interested in upholding the abstract principle of a right, but only in upholding those invocations of a particular right that result in desirable social outcomes. Women have a right to their bodi…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 05:05 PM
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It seems like being louder actually matters a lot though however... I would say that Tumblr Feminists are actually the real or pure Feminists, they're the ones who carry the assumptions of feminism to their logical conclusion. In politics being 'moderate' doesn't signify belief, but rather the absence of belief. Moderates generally lack any sort of coherent or systematic worldview or way of forming beliefs, they form beliefs largely based on the social acceptability of a narrow range of politica…
/r/MensRights28/08/14 04:45 PM
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So don't vote.
/r/MensRights27/08/14 09:47 PM
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(The State is a corporation)
/r/MensRights27/08/14 07:51 PM
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I'll just leave this here...
/r/TheRedPill24/08/14 08:38 PM
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Being human is intrinsically sinful... Belief in God is rational, God is the Third Idea of Pure Reason, the Theological Idea of Disjunctive Syllogism. Ideological Atheism is too busy debating a washed up actor from a forgotten 80s sitcom like Kirk Cameron to debate Spinoza, Leibniz or Kant.
/r/MensRights24/06/14 11:54 AM
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But he's four... What makes him feel good is entirely filtered through what earns him the love and approval of his mother. I honestly just think it's disrespectful of him as a person, in the same way that calling him a princess, dressing him up in dresses, feminizing him etc at that age would be. He does not have the independent sense of self to assert an identity contrary to the one that his mother sets up for him. I know people desperately want to out-egalitarian eachother but c'mon, stuff lik…
/r/MensRights13/06/14 08:49 AM
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Young children think what they grow up with is normal, they don't know any better, later in life when they reflect on how their parents treated them it can have a profound impact on their self-esteem and self-perception. The kid is four, he completely lacks any self-sufficient sense of identity.
/r/MensRights13/06/14 08:38 AM
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And why not use 'she' and 'her' to describe your son as well? It really seems like a misguided attempt to re-gender your child, do it once and it'll probably embarrass him and make him uncomfortable, do it deliberately over time in an effort to be 'progressive' and you're consciously undermining his identity formation. It's funny how we're supposed to respect the stated gender identities and 'pronouns' of people, except in cases like this, where misgendering a boy is tolerated as a part of the g…
/r/MensRights13/06/14 06:32 AM
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It was designed to progress the conversation, it was designed to make fun of him.
/r/TheRedPill12/06/14 12:28 AM
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Uh huh... Well, best stick to farming then because history sure isn't your strong suit.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/14 09:44 PM
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As I said in another comment, not all the boys, the upper crust of society did that. That was an era when reading was still considered a mark of an enlightened man. Literacy rates have gone way up since then, but the socioeconomic average of the individuals who comprise this demographic are way down. In the 1700s, it was not everybody reading and writing romantic poetry, it was only the rich or the very lucky. This is actually wrong. I would recommend John Brewer's "Pleasures of the Imagination"…
/r/TheRedPill11/06/14 09:37 PM
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Activity is like sleep, it's necessary but secondary to education. I also don't think anywhere in public education today is there actual rigor, discipline or challenge. Boys in the 18th century could repeat entire sermons word for word after hearing them. They studied formal logic, learned seven languages, and memorized the Bible in its entirety.
/r/TheRedPill11/06/14 08:04 PM
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I don't disagree with this article, at least in sentiment, but could we stop with this bullshit: The boy wants to run, play, and wrestle. He wants to compete with other boys, explore, take risks, and get hurt. He wants to test the limits of his young body. He wants to be a boy, but this will not be allowed. Where boys are said to have an 'educational style' that revolves around physical activity and blah blah blah. Boys used to have no problem sitting in a classroom and learning Greek and Latin.…
/r/TheRedPill11/06/14 06:47 PM
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I think everything is potentially an "unfortunate" message though, everything can be interpreted by ideologically motivated social justice mobs in a way so as to become offensive, there is no reasonable objective standard being employed, like with Jeremy Clarkson. There are people who dislike Clarkson and deliberately try to twist and contort what he says and does in such a way so as to generate a false appearance of widespread condemnation and public outrage. These instances of outrage are usua…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 06:37 AM
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Who determines what constitutes stupidity though? This sort of unthinking dismissal of what amounts to a pattern of abuse by Social Justice advocates to attack the livelihood of their opponents through a mechanism of manufactured and affected outrage is absurdly narrowminded. For example, Brenden Eich, he should have simply known better I guess, donating to a political cause he supported was public stupidity on his part, and that has consequences according to you. By the same argument though you…
/r/MensRights10/06/14 06:26 AM
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And what about men who want to be liberated from "Progressive" ideas of Masculinity in favor of traditional relationships and gender roles? I've seen too much partisan bullying developing in MensRights, Progressive/Atheist attempts to elbow out Conservative and Religious perspectives on things like Masculinity and marriage need to stop.
/r/MensRights21/05/14 09:54 AM
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Geeze this sub is touchy these days
/r/MensRights28/04/14 11:49 PM
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A lot of people here are Anti-Feminists, and there's constant concern trolling going on pleading us to not make this sub about Anti-Feminism because "can't we all just get along" or something. So this is an Anti-Feminist sub so that people can have a place to talk about Anti-Feminism without all that concern trolling, it seems like it should make you happy if you don't want that stuff here...
/r/MensRights28/04/14 11:04 PM
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I have more to add but I had to stop for now: I don't necessarily agree with you about a number of things, but overall I do agree with your sentiment. Thank you for the excellent response. One of the things that's important to understand is that there is far more information out there in the world than any one person can know or needs to know. Long ago, prior to the written word, all of humanity's knowledge could be contained within a single head. Today humans must specialize their knowledge to …
/r/MensRights05/04/14 09:14 PM
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http://www.amazon.com/Aesthetic-Education-Dover-Western-Philosophy/dp/0486437396/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396669920&sr=8-1&keywords=on+the+aesthetic+education+of+man
/r/MensRights05/04/14 03:54 AM
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The problem is a lack of education, cultivation, or bildung. MensRights and MGTOW are TRP are only a single piece of the puzzle in wider cultural backlash against Progressivism, "Neo-Reaction", or what I would simply call "Regressivism". Progressivism has failed, as a political project, to institute meaningful reform, and a lot of the people involved in this Counter-Progressivism are simply young men who began as Progressive Liberals, but have slowly become disillusioned and receptive to conserv…
/r/MensRights04/04/14 11:38 PM
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Keep an eye on this one, smells like a hoax to me.
/r/MensRights28/03/14 02:44 AM
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None of those places are particularly dreamy. Yes, society progress good. Old times bad, people oppressed, no eqwalaty. Now better, more justice, know more things, smarter, we much better, society much good.
/r/MensRights24/03/14 11:59 PM
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Because Lady Macbeth had nothing to do with Duncan's murder...
/r/MensRights24/03/14 11:37 PM
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Now you're the one erasing women from history. Aren't the wives and daughters and mistresses of the "oppressors" also guilty for oppression? Why do they get a pass? They reaped the benefits, they were active in creating this culture where their men went out and raped and pillaged and oppressed because that's what they made men do to succeed with them. It's like war, the naive Feminist approach is just to say, "wars happen because men are violent", but wars happen for complex social, cultural and…
/r/MensRights24/03/14 11:08 PM
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Unsurprisingly, you can find out more about women's rights in history from men's rights websites. A+ Article
/r/MensRights23/03/14 05:41 AM
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Feminists are the ones who've erased women from history. For example, today the google doodle is celebrating someone named Agnes Martin, a true female pioneer in the arts. In reality there are more female artists and writers in history than the commonplace Progressive narrative would have you believe. In the 18th century female novelists often enjoyed greater commercial success than their male counterparts, compare Oliver Goldsmith and Charlotte Lennox, Dr. Johnson got 500 pounds for Lennox's te…
/r/MensRights22/03/14 08:52 PM
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Because women are over-incentivized to attend college, in order to get at the money those women represent colleges have then developed their humanities departments as a "net" essentially. They've done this by lowering academic standards in the humanities to an almost embarrassing level. The humanities are valuable, the problem is nothing is actually expected of these women. Look all across the internet, look at jezebel, and tumblr, and all the websites we constantly mock here, is any of it well …
/r/MensRights22/03/14 07:12 AM
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This whole approach is flawed from the get go. It's fundamentally idealist, it presumes reality to "constructed" as an extension of the mind, ie. by changing how men are stereotyped in the media, men will become different. That isn't necessarily true though, because the stereotypes are generalizations from a non-constructed reality that already exists independently from its portrayal in the media...
/r/MensRights20/03/14 08:04 AM
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Terrible thread.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 02:48 AM
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I guess that reduces her credibility when she's explaining gravitational acceleration and physical geodesy to a layman, right? Yes.
/r/MensRights13/02/14 01:55 AM
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This is the ideal of masculinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgpj-Pqf538 I hate Feminism's attempt to destroy gender ideals like this by calling them "unrealistic" or "unobtainable", enough with that stuff. An ideal is never obtainable, but we become better people by trying, and that's the point. The mere existence of a man like Goethe alone is enough to disprove Feminism as far as I'm concerned. When Feminists talk about "broadening" society's definition of masculinity, I actually agree wit…
/r/MensRights11/02/14 07:38 PM
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McCarty and Kelly said their findings are likely explained by the fact that men holding open doors for men is socially unusual, and could be taken by the recipient of the gesture as implying that they look like they are needy and vulnerable. It's not unusual at all, it happens all the time, every day. I think what this "study" really reflects is the tendency of women to see any attention or gesture of politeness directed at them by men as a kind of sexual validation. Personally, I always hold th…
/r/MensRights11/02/14 07:33 PM
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I don't know why, but this video upset me more than almost anything else I can remember seeing on this sub.
/r/MensRights06/02/14 04:22 AM
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Schiller thoroughly disproves the logic of this "kind of thinking" about art and aesthetics: "Since all actual existence derives its origin from Nature, as an extraneous power, but all appearance comes originally from Man, as percipient subject, he is only availing himself of his absolute proprietary right when he separates the appearance from the essence and arranges it according to his own laws. With unrestrained freedom he can join together what Nature sundered, as soon as he can think of it …
/r/MensRights05/02/14 12:22 AM
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You laugh but it's already started happening, in German for example with people taking word gender literally.
/r/MensRights05/02/14 12:06 AM
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I haven't read it, but poetry from that era is underrated in general I think, Dryden's "Aeneid" is really wonderful.
/r/MensRights05/02/14 12:04 AM
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Once, a girl in one of my discussion sections for a college course said that the letter "B" "resembled a pregnant woman".
/r/MensRights04/02/14 11:58 PM
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http://dieturmgesellschaf.wordpress.com/2014/01/10/no-4/
/r/MensRights04/02/14 11:52 PM
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This is the ideal of masculinity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgpj-Pqf538 I hate Feminism's attempt to destroy gender ideals like this by calling them "unrealistic" or "unobtainable", enough with that stuff. An ideal is never obtainable, but we become better people by trying, and that's the point. The mere existence of a man like Goethe alone is enough to disprove Feminism as far as I'm concerned. When Feminists talk about "broadening" society's definition of masculinity, I actually agree wit…
/r/MensRights04/02/14 10:13 PM
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Sounds like she had a lot to do with putting her son in that situation by trying to force her feminized idea of boyhood on him. It probably didn't help that she taught a class at his middle school, being an overbearing mother who's constantly underfoot like that can actually lead to a lot of teasing. It sounds like she got in the way of her son learning how to interact and fit in with a group of other boys. Boys rip on one another, and growing up you have to learn how to fit into that dynamic, a…
/r/MensRights30/01/14 04:32 PM
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The more I read MensRights the more anti-"egalitarian" I become. I'm perfectly okay, more than that, I actually like living in a world where there's a culture of honor and nobility around a male-only military fighting force, one that unapologetically excludes women. Sure women don't get to participate and experience the highs that come with that culture, but what you have to understand is that that culture only exists to mitigate the physical necessity of conscription and military service. That …
/r/MensRights24/01/14 02:38 AM
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It's completely appropriate. It's incredibly common for staff-members at "family owned" bars and restaurants, especially those in rural areas, to use folksy terms of endearment like "honey", "dear", and "sweetie" or "sweetheart". These words are not gendered. I go to a family owned diner where the waitresses throw them around liberally, and I have never once seen a male customer have a temper tantrum or accuse one of the waitresses of "misgendering" him for it. It's absurd.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 09:09 AM
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This sub is home to two distinct "movements" "Men's Rights", and "men's Rights". Men's Rights is anti-Feminist, men's rights isn't, that is, capital-M "Men's Rights" vs. lower-case-m "men's Rights". This is the fundamental distinction that needs to be drawn, the two-fold nature or tension present at the heart of the entire thing, it's the cause of all the disagreement and haranguing about this, and if anything, at the present moment, this is not only a men's rights issue, but the issue facing th…
/r/MensRights11/01/14 03:17 AM
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I actually know/knew the person who wrote this article. Don't take dating advice from her.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 03:54 AM
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Well you went to college so you probably know best.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 03:47 AM
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College graduates have tended to, it used to be a rational decision because fewer people went to college, academic programs were more rigorous, degrees cost less, and there were fewer graduates in the job market. It's becoming a decidedly less "rational" decision. Somewhere between 2/3 and 1/2 of students aren't even making noticeable gains in learning anymore.
/r/MensRights08/01/14 03:23 AM
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Though, to be fair, the university has actually become a pretty counterproductive place to the genuine study of literature and philosophy and history in the last decade or three.
/r/MensRights07/01/14 11:00 PM
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I had a friend of mine admit to me a few months ago that he had started having homosexual experiences because he felt he had reached an impasse in his life where there was effectively no hope of him ever forming a positive, emotionally constructive, loving relationship with a woman any longer. It was very sad to hear him say it, just the resignation and disappointment in his voice. I think women really do need to get back to having an actively positive role in the emotional health and happiness …
/r/MensRights07/01/14 07:17 PM
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Good we need to devalue these meaningless degrees from feminized curricula until they're no longer preferred over competency. Couldn't have said it better myself.
/r/MensRights07/01/14 06:58 PM
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Now this is a men's rights post I can get behind. I swear, it's so funny reading about "false promise" rape charges in a country like India today and then to think back to how half of Don Quixote is nothing but "false promise" stories about women being "tricked" into having sex with men based on promises of marriage. Gender has changed much less than Feminists pretend it has.
/r/MensRights07/01/14 06:03 PM
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Men are also making a choice, a choice not to go to college. Women are over-incentivized, men are less insulated, that is, more responsive to market forces where college educations are quickly becoming worthless. It's not that women are beating men, it's that men have figured out the game is no longer worth playing.
/r/MensRights07/01/14 01:23 PM
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I find this conversation from Goethe's 1795 novel "Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship" to really clearly demonstrate how History has been subverted and rewritten by modern Feminists. The "ladies from the neighborhood" are the friends of Theresa's vain and parasitic step-mother, a group of dilettantes obsessed with appearances. The idea of Meister is that the protagonist, Wilhelm, gradually develops over the course of the book and associates with successively more morally outstanding individuals. I…
/r/MensRights02/01/14 06:28 PM
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This is maybe the worst essay I've ever read on any topic by anyone, and I don't say that lightly.
/r/MensRights31/12/13 04:57 AM
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Fuck equality.
/r/MensRights22/12/13 03:59 PM
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You're just demonstrating the point I'm making, men have desires and insecurities and crave intimacy, and when men express the fact that their emotional needs aren't being taken seriously or cared for, what's your response? "No, that's horseshit." The whole rhetoric about "liberating" men from the oppressive cloister of their masculinity through Feminism is very transparent, men are trying to be open and honest about how they feel right here, right now, masculinity is in no way contradictory to …
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:34 AM
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"Culture and Society in Classical Weimar 1775-1806" by W.H. Bruford. It's out of print sadly. Historical reconstruction of the period in English language scholarship is currently ongoing, the best single book is Nicholas Boyle's in progress biography "Goethe: The Poet and The Age", but at 2,000 some pages and counting it's not a particularly good introduction. Walter Kaufmann's "Discovering the Mind: Volume I; Goethe, Kant and Hegel" may be worth checking out if nothing else.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:25 AM
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Exactly.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 02:00 AM
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"Sturm und Drang" is a neologism that refers to less than a decade's worth of time during the 1770s. As a cultural moment it originated from the influence of the materialistic historicist Gottfried Herder, who is actually the grandfather of Marxism. You're conflating "Sturm und Drang" with Sentimentalism, which was a vaguely antagonistic school emanating from Göttingen, represented by Goethe's early literary rivals, the Jacobis, and C.M. Wieland, "The Sorrows of Young Werther" is actually largel…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 01:54 AM
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No, it's that women are no longer fulfilling men emotionally. All men absolutely beyond question desire deep, emotionally intimate relationships with women, they need women to satisfy their longing to be loved and understood and feel "completed" by a complimentary feminine energy. Women run roughshod over that desire that men feel and men are emotionally frustrated.
/r/MensRights19/12/13 01:30 AM
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How does "Society" create and impose all these roles on people, "Society" is the God-idea of Modernity and Historicism is its Theogony. Frankly I disagree with the diagnosis here, what if I want to be masculine? And what if a woman wants to be feminine? I'm actually not against traditional masculinity, my main issue is that people have very historically limited conceptions about what masculinity meant before cartoonish Mad Men 1950s style hyper-masculinity. Today a lot of young guys have a reall…
/r/MensRights19/12/13 01:11 AM
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Yeah, sorry, I'm just not seeing it unfortunately. Like this, is this the sort of thing you mean about outright fabrication of news stories and The Daily Mail "completely making things up"? Because that feels very reminiscent of the sort of quibbling pedantry that makes up a lot of the attempts to discredit Fox, I just can't get all hot and bothered about it the way some people seem to do. I'm ok with The Daily Mail being posted and people just exercising their better judgment and taking what th…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 11:59 AM
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Whoa whoa whoa, "largely accepted"? It might be "ruinous" to our credibility if this whole sub was somehow predicated in idea upon a militant support of The Daily Mail, but like I said, it's just conversation fodder. You admit that there is a factual dimension to their reporting, that they don't make everything up, but that there's a pattern of dishonest reporting, of sensationalizing stories, of opportunistic quote mining. And I think you're right, Fox does the same sort of stuff all the time, …
/r/MensRights18/12/13 11:15 AM
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The Daily Mail is one of those things, like Comic Sans, that people really seem to get off on dismissing. I'm not British so I'm genuinely curious to know what the deal is. "Tabloid", to me, refers to self-consciously "out there" sort of newspapers that publish stories about Batboy and outrageously silly things like that. To call something a tabloid implies that the stories are unambiguously false, that a person sat down and simply made them up out of thin air, that they have no basis in fact wh…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 09:18 AM
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Men's Rights is anti-Feminist, men's rights isn't, that is, capital-M "Men's Rights" vs. lower-case-m "men's Rights". This is the fundamental distinction that needs to be drawn, the two-fold nature or tension present at the heart of the entire thing, it's the cause of all the disagreement and haranguing about this, and if anything, at the present moment, this is not only a men's rights issue, but the issue facing the whole "movement". "men's Rights", little-m, is a social justice "movement" that…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 08:44 AM
4

The fundamental misunderstanding at the heart of this whole endless conversation is female sexual and romantic entitlement, that women not only can have it all, but that they should have it all, that men and "Society" are obligated to give women something and that they have no right to ever expect something in return. "Give, and it shall be given unto you," is the lesson women need to learn before they can move past Feminism and hook-up-culture and "wanting it all", and until they do this deep c…
/r/MensRights18/12/13 06:53 AM
1

Private schools don't exist. A school is a business, a public insitution, and whatever else. It's not private unless your kid is the only kid there. And that wouldn't be much of a school, would it? So institutions are not autonomous from the State, ever, is what you're saying. The Public has unlimited authority to enter into any institution it so wishes to dictate what goes on within the confines of that institution. And mind you that institutions are the free association of individuals around s…
/r/MensRights12/12/13 12:55 AM
0

Just...because they want to be? Hey, now you're getting the hang of it. We actually have a word to describe when people are allowed to be anyway they want, just because they want to be that way. See if you can guess it, it starts with an F.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:50 PM
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Because the barber doesn't want to give her one.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:34 PM
1

You disagree, and you are in the minority. And as we all know, the majority has every right to determine what rights members of the minority deserve to have, that usually seems to work out well, yes, you've convinced me, when the majority knows better than the minority, when the minority maybe is too inferior to be trusted with all the rights of the majority, the only proper course of action is to decide what's in their best interests for them... Oh wait.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:33 PM
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Can you give an example of where gender discrimination would be justified? In the case of a male-only barber shop turning away a female customer.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:25 PM
2

Yeah, it's almost as if you might say, they could discriminate between our positions and make up their own mind. No, no, that can't be right, you should probably just tell them what they're allowed to believe, otherwise they might not agree with you.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:22 PM
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I don't know why an atheist would be taking holy communion... And I don't know why a woman would insist on getting a hair cut at a men's only barber shop, yet here we are... Imagine it, an atheist approaches the priest, sticks out his hands, and, handing him the Eucharist, the priest says "The body of Christ", to which the atheist responds "No it's not", in lieu of the customary "Amen". The priest, on this basis alone, then proceeds to deny the atheist the right to receive holy sacrament, why th…
/r/MensRights11/12/13 11:13 PM
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No.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 10:39 PM
4

I am not annoyed at all by female-only spaces, not one iota.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 10:31 PM
1

If there's a 'genuine' reason for it? Perhaps you can give an example? The Catholic Church denying someone holy communion on the sole basis of their being an atheist, ie someone who does not believe in the doctrine of transubstantiation, or in other words, does not believe that the Eucharist is literally the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 10:28 PM
2

Nothing. You can care until the cow's come home, and for my part, I wouldn't care about that either.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 10:17 PM
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I would absolutely not care whatsoever. Women should be able to establish their own gender segregated businesses and organizations and institutions, and so should men, and individuals should have the freedom to associate with businesses and organizations and institutions as they see fit.
/r/MensRights11/12/13 09:36 PM
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You know what the cause of this really is, it's not "our limiting ideals of masculinity, which define themselves in opposition to all things feminine", it's hostility towards Male dominated spaces. Exhibit A, Exhibit B. I love old fashioned, no nonsense male only barber shops, my dad took to me to one every month growing up, and I always had the same barber, and it was just... nice. Unfortunately those types of operations have started to disappear in recent years. They've been replaced with fran…
/r/MensRights11/12/13 06:48 PM
4

Men's Rights is anti-Feminist, men's rights isn't, that is, capital-M "Men's Rights" vs. lower-case-m "men's Rights". This is the fundamental distinction that needs to be drawn, the two-fold nature or tension present at the heart of the entire thing, it's the cause of all the disagreement and haranguing about this, and if anything, at the present moment, this is not only a men's rights issue, but the issue facing the whole "movement". "men's Rights", little-m, is a social justice "movement" that…
/r/MensRights27/11/13 04:54 PM
1

"Progressed" to where exactly? What's the ultimate end of "Progress"? Utopia? And who do you think is measuring "Progress" in order to establish that it's actually occurred? Sociologists? I wouldn't call Sociology a science, it's a pseudo-science at best. Concepts like "Equality" are outside of possible experience. Epistemologically how is it really possible to have knowledge of how equal or unequal "Society" is? I mean from the standpoint of pure science. Where within possible experience is the…
/r/MensRights27/11/13 01:57 PM
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And I think the philosophy of history doesn't support you. Calling them "the dark ages" hinges on an idea of social "progress" I reject, our society has changed in an intellectual and moral sense, but has it "progressed"? I don't think anyone is in a position to objectively say that, that's a very flawed sort of teleologically Marxist conception of how human civilization changes over time. It's the Star Trek school of philosophy of history... I actually think the "history" you're talking about i…
/r/MensRights27/11/13 06:55 AM
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But the idea of the professional role as "primary" and the domestic role as "secondary" is a projection of contemporary values over past ones. The situation is only subjectively unequal.
/r/MensRights27/11/13 06:41 AM
1

And that's my point, the MRA doesn't really interest me in how closeminded and unimaginative it is, and as long as it's a piddly little "movement" like some would have it be I don't think it goes anywhere nearly as deep as is truly, morally necessary.
/r/MensRights26/11/13 09:38 PM
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Yes, laws objectively exist, but the meaning of those laws is subjective, and that's what we're talking about here. If law prohibited women from voting, but the meaning of men being allowed to vote was understood to be that they were purchasing that ability through military service, the situation was equal for them, not according to our standard but theirs. Equality is an idea and ideas are infinite things that exist outside of possible experience whether or not you believe you have some ability…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 09:33 PM
1

Well "Society", which women are a part of, saddled men with concepts of providership and responsibility to home and hearth above personal interest. So I'm against the notion that "voting rights" is really so simple as people make it historically, were women really unequal when men voted not as individuals, but as households which they served on women's behalf? Think about it this way, eighteen year olds got the right to vote after women, but we don't really think about them as "oppressed" becaus…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 09:16 PM
1

This position is typical but much too soft for my tastes, I believe, epistemologically speaking, the claim to genuine truth by Feminists in their narratizations of historical oppression is unfounded. I don't like this idea of "equity Feminists" coming in and fixing an inequality, of conceding that yes, in fact this inequality really did "exist" in the sense we're being told. For the sake of saving myself the work of resaying stuff I've already said multiple times elsewhere, excuse me copy pastin…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 08:57 PM
1

But notice how there's no name really to describe what happened in Germany, it's sometimes called the Counter-Enlightenment, sometimes the Goethezeit, or German Idealism, or Sturm und Drang, or German Romanticism, or more technically EGR, Early German Romanticism, which is how it's sometimes specifically referred to in modern scholarship. I think the MRA can be part of the change, just not the change itself, it's one cultural position among several that's currently developing as a bastion for cu…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 08:44 PM
1

Well you can have your MRA to do that stuff but you're being overly evangelical about it I think and frankly I'm after bigger fish. "A platform the layman could understand and identify with" is something I wouldn't wish on the MRA, is what you have in mind for a platform something like telling people how they'll go to hell if they don't do what you say? Democrats and Republicans have "platforms the layman can understand and identify with" and you know what that is? It's a euphemism for a manipul…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 07:54 PM
2

The MRA doesn't really interest me politically, I'm here not because I consider myself an MRA or associate with the "movement", but because I feel that that this is one of a select few cultural areas where members of a larger, more important potential Movement are being drawn. Beginning with Georg Hamann in 1759 a large cultural "readjustment" occurred, sometimes called the Counter-Enlightenment, which is a misleading name because it's what produced Kant, Goethe, and Schiller. The period has bee…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 06:28 PM
3

This is my biggest problem with the MRA, how everything has to be about the integrity and appearance of the "movement", but a movement isn't a real thing, it's just an idea used to conceptualize the activity and beliefs held across a group of individuals. A movement only exists in and through the individuals that make it up, so suppressing the individuality of the parts constituting the MRA doesn't make the MRA stronger, it makes it weaker and represents nothing but an undermining of its own fou…
/r/MensRights26/11/13 06:11 PM
3

What I dislike about this line of thinking is that it assumes our "post-industrial" "late-capitalist" "Society" is a natural development and not a giant humanitarian disaster created by Feminism and Liberalism. Yes, women may be better suited to the economy that we created for women to excel in, but look around, that economic model has been a resounding failure overall.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 07:24 PM
2

This is the only MRA that I want to be a part of, the liberal, soft-Feminist, "Egalitarian" MRA can only ever be a part of the problem as far as I'm concerned.
/r/MensRights22/11/13 07:21 PM
1

Why has no one pointed out that the image is of Robert Schumann, a very loving husband and devoted father of seven? Or is he just supposed to be generic old-timey guy?
/r/MensRights16/11/13 12:43 PM
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Power was best wielded by men, theorists felt, because men were impersonal, unemotional, forthright and reasonable. So, our society is collapsing into ruins and the effectiveness of our government to establish and keep order is at an all time nadir at a time when "The most emotional member of Congress is John Boehner", when, as she points out, many of our male leaders represent extremely feminized personalities and while, at the same time, women are surging into positions of power. ...? How did …
/r/MensRights15/11/13 10:08 PM
1

I think the root issue here is that education standards have fallen to a point where boys are no longer being sufficiently challenged. I've found that this is an unpopular opinion but it's true all the same, more was expected of children in the 18th and 19th centuries. Education used to focus more on developing a child's ability to think, now it's largely a pseudo-political attempt to tell them what to think. Formal logic, rhetoric, Latin, French, Ancient Greek, those things used to be the bedro…
/r/MensRights14/11/13 09:45 AM
1

I always enjoy the hypocrisy at work here. It's just homophobia being used to counter homophobia, advocates for homosexuality turning to homophobes and asking "What are you, some type of faggot? Only faggots are homophobes." The liberal schadenfreude of "outing" homophobes as closeted homosexuals is pretty disgusting by their own professed standard when you stop and think about it.
/r/MensRights12/11/13 03:42 PM
2

One thing that I notice more as time goes by is how people absorb not only the general arguments but sometimes even the language employed by the pundits who editorialize on a particular hot button political issue. Some little term like "Grand Compromise" sweeps the country, it's really bizarre and I notice it happening all the time. I actually think there's market research actively done on the arguments either "side" uses, and the points and rhetorical phrasings that test well are then floated t…
/r/MensRights30/10/13 06:23 PM
12

I don't get this anti-gun narrative one bit. I grew up in a gun household and this whole liberal fantasy of angry white men grasping for lost power using guns is nothing but a fantasy. Respect for firearms was always practiced in our home, my father kept them neatly locked in a gun cabinet, and the basic rules of gun safety were strictly enforced. My mother and sister both like guns just as much as my father, shooting was a family activity just as much as it was a father son bonding activity. "G…
/r/MensRights29/10/13 10:38 PM
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It's the constant administrative policing of boys throughout all levels of education that produces the negative effects. There was a story recently about a teenager who, after making an innocuous joke online about school shootings, found himself jailed and thrown into solitary confinement. A Canadian woman actually reported him to local Texas authorities and they locked him away to be abused. I believe he made the joke while playing League of Legends... What you have to understand is that there'…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 08:52 PM
1

I agree. Women are weak and helpless. Society needs to artificially restrain men because they are the naturally superior sex.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 11:33 AM
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I watched the video this is about and it annoyed me how it was as an "explosion". He was saying something reasonable, that he believed there were different types of women, that there was a place for women in the business world, but that it was ultimately important to not try and force women to want to be there when they didn't. Then everyone jumps down his throat, the woman who responds to him is condescending in the worst possible way and begins her comments by actually laughing derisively at h…
/r/MensRights24/10/13 08:35 AM
2

"Brilliant" is a bit of an overstatement.
/r/MensRights22/10/13 09:28 AM
3

Unsubscribe from mensrights then.
/r/MensRights19/10/13 09:25 PM
4

No, I actually don't have many friends. Will you be my friend Misandry Lady?
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:57 PM
4

I just don't see "positive" male attention as being fundamentally different in kind from street harassment. They're connected. You enjoy the one at the expense of having to suffer the other. And where a particular instance of male attention falls, that is, what camp, positive or negative, it belongs in, that can be awfully subjective. Perfectly acceptable male attention that would make you feel good one day might make you feel terrible the next. If you're not made up and wearing ratty clothes ou…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:50 PM
2

My point was that when it comes to the kind of attention we're talking about here, it's easy to think it's better to be ignored but you need to consider the context.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:34 PM
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Okay, so what you're saying is that there's this negative dimension to the experience that men don't fully take into account. So, I guess I'm confused, how much more do you need me to equivocate? I feel like I'm just pounding you on the head with the hammer of qualification, conceding your point in full and making no effort whatsoever to deny it, and everytime you just circle back around and say the same thing again. Why? What new outcome do you expect, how is it possible for me to agree with an…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 07:25 PM
4

So you don't see any lack of self awareness on your side of things here? Men are privileged because they experience things in a way you wish you could, but women aren't privileged for experiencing things in a way men wish they could? Men don't really want to have what women do, and you're in a position to say that because you know things about the experience that they don't first hand, you know the ugly side of it. But the same can't possibly be said about women wanting to have what men do? The …
/r/MensRights18/10/13 06:46 PM
2

Okay, and it's a privilege to be substantially more likely to be approached by members of the opposite sex and receive any sort of attention, good or bad, desired or undesired from them at all.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:11 PM
3

"It's understandable that, as a woman, there are probably times you wish you could flip a switch and experience what men do..." Why is there so little accknowledgement of qualification? Your comment is precisely the sort I was expressing frustration with, because I'm trying to articulate my feelings about what it really means to have a "privilege" other people tell me I have, and there's an instant knee jerk reaction trying to quash my negative sense of an advantage I'm told I have, that I neith…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:44 PM
6

Spot on.
/r/MensRights18/10/13 04:35 PM
2

This issue is a more personal one for me, because whatever education I possess is the result of introversion and loneliness. I use autodidactism as a way to pass the time, and I have a habit of pretending that people from the 18th century are friends of mine. I mostly work on writing literature and fiction of my own, or essays on literary theory or the history of the novel, so however high brow and self serious they may appear, my posts on reddit are usually only me having a bit of fun. When I w…
/r/MensRights18/10/13 02:24 PM
1

I actually don't really subscribe to so deterministic a picture of evolutionary everything as that. I believe that there are biological differences between men and women that are in fact inescapable, but I don't believe they are what actually determines our ideas. Feminists are "social constructionists", or to categorize them even more generally, idealists. They'll tell you again and again what our ideas about gender are, where those ideas come from, their purpose etc. The fact that they've set …
/r/MensRights18/10/13 05:33 AM
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This is what makes Feminism so hard to swallow, it's just too familiar. Feminists make themselves out to be very "radical", but they're only appropriating the fashion and aesthetic sensibility of defiant punk rockers really, the ideas themselves are actually not all that radical. For all their attitude, and for all the revolutionary bluster and naive Marxist rhetoric they constantly spew, Feminists are fundamentally a very traditional, Victorian or Puritanical bunch. Feminists are right at home …
/r/MensRights17/10/13 11:54 PM
3

Intellectually I believe we should be far less tolerant of the sorts of claims to knowledge these kinds of talks presuppose. He uncritically gets off on the wrong foot straight away by discussing the sorts of things "society" supposedly "teaches" young boys, and we should really reject every such claim as a rule. Epistemologically, how does he know what this "society" is teaching, telling, conditioning, or socializing any of us to do? He just carelessly leaps head first into some serious issues …
/r/MensRights16/10/13 12:20 AM
2

This article's first mistake was saying that women are empathetic and that men need to be more like women in order to attain this positive trait "society" denies them. In my experience women are empathetic in the sense that they'll have vapid multi-hour long conversations with a girlfriend over some minor personal drama, while men, on the other hand, are more empathetic in their sense of justice. Honestly, it's women, not men who have made me think twice about articulating my innermost feelings.…
/r/MensRights04/10/13 11:18 AM
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It is important to remember though that ultimately the "top" and "bottom" of "society" are only subjectively determined categories to begin with.
/r/MensRights03/10/13 01:04 AM
1

Feel exactly the same way.
/r/MensRights27/09/13 06:19 AM
2

When you spend time immersing yourself in the literature of Augustan-era Grub Street or the novels of Early German Romanticism that came out of Jena and Weimar, you slowly start to feel that something is seriously lacking in our own time. And when it's missing that should be an opportunity for young men, an opportunity to discover that absent purpose and beauty once more, but education and the academy have become hostile to that search. We're no longer being given the tools needed for high level…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 06:49 PM
4

Which is usually a sign an art may be in need of reformation, when it begins to lose coherence and blur the line between subject and object to such a degree that neither is anymore recognizable.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 06:22 PM
3

Economics. Art is a science. I don't subscribe to any model of the arts you're likely to find at modern universities. Art to me is supremely logical.
/r/MensRights26/09/13 06:17 PM
3

It absolutely is. The destruction of the humanities by gender ideologues is one of the most significant male issues. High culture is one idea Feminists constantly have it out for. In Schiller's transcendental aesthetics beauty is established, logically, as something required for the actuality of our absolute ideas. In the Third Critique and in Schiller's "Aesthetic Education" beauty is something objective, but today aesthetic judgements have been reduced to something purely subjective instead. I…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 05:51 PM
3

I don't really identify as MRA, I think the MRA is actually part of a larger cultural backlash against the stranglehold contemporary American liberalism enjoys on morality and ideas. It's in communities like the MRA and Men's Rights, and across the so-called "Manosphere" in all it's pedantic subdivisions that many young men looking for a way to oppose what they feel is the ascendant culture of leftism that these people congregate. But the sentiment extends into other areas as well, into "skeptic…
/r/MensRights26/09/13 10:32 AM
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Well we know two things about her. And that's enough for most guys.
/r/MensRights22/09/13 02:16 AM
0

Report her for rape.
/r/MensRights21/09/13 10:53 AM
4

Indeed, as capitalism has immensely lightened the burden of housework through improved technology, many wives have increasingly constituted a kept leisure class. In the middle class neighborhood in which I live, I see them, these "oppressed" and hard-faced viragos, strutting down the street in their mink stoles to the next bridge or mah-jongg game, while their husbands are working themselves into an early coronary down in the garment district to support their helpmeets. In these cases, then, who…
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:51 AM
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The quota argument may be disposed of rapidly; for it is a two-edged sword. If the low percentage of women in surgery, law, management, etc., is proof that the men should posthaste be replaced by females, then what are we to do with the Jews, for example, who shine far above their assigned quota in the professions, in medicine, in academia, etc.? Are they to be purged? Absolutely brutal
/r/MensRights21/09/13 03:39 AM
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