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0	Do people have a duty towards civilization ? Are you saying that there are no female scientists, innovators and engineers, female soldiers, firefighters and police, and female investors and entrepreneurs? Or are you saying that there aren't enough of them to maintain the current level of society? If it's the latter, then you might want to elucidate it that much by stating that there aren't enough, and perhaps that you don't believe that there ever will be. Just to be clear, for the sake of the argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/07/15 08:40 AM
2	Finland still not conscripting females. Ridiculous? Yes. Because they wouldn't go. They would, but just not in enough numbers. You've already pretty much stated that you would rather see Finland run over by a hostile invader than have conscription. And more interestingly, you would rather have Finland run over by a country which has conscription that is much harsher for the men than Finland has had for decades, or possibly ever. There should be no question where your loyalties lie.	/r/MensRights	25/05/15 10:30 PM
3	Finland still not conscripting females. Ridiculous? Yes. There is not a single person in Finnish military who is there against their will. During my brief stint in the Finnish Defense Forces my assignment was a branch which specifically has the function to ensure this. One of my duties was troop morale, including the responsibility of getting people out when they're at their breaking point, before they snap. Generally people doing their military service in Finnish armed forces are more bull-headed and want to finish their military duty with honor and …	/r/MensRights	25/05/15 10:13 AM
1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t If we start using somewhat more relevant criteria like able and fit for active military duty, for both men and women, then we're approaching a more equitable foundation for the selection. Maybe somewhere between 10-40% of men, maybe 2-10% of women, depending on what criteria you use and the purpose of the army. Many of the jobs traditionally assigned to the less 'capable' or less physically fit men would be perfectly doable by any woman. It is very possible that Finnish Defense Forces is cutting…	/r/MensRights	04/05/15 06:41 PM
1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Finnish men get in return from fulfilling their duty the knowledge that they can protect their country, their families and keep them safe. It's not insignificant at all. One of the problems is the priorities, when a man in Finland is 18, they don't necessarily think too much about having a family of their own. Unfortunately it's the ideal age in Finland to have the training they might need if there should ever be a war. I'm not trusting women to hold their end of the bargain from the goodness of…	/r/MensRights	04/05/15 08:50 AM
1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t A Finnish woman killed in battle means approximately 2,5 children lost from the next generation on average. I wouldn't mind having women having military training, but only if it wouldn't reduce the number of men going through military training. Budgetary restrictions however limit the number of people that can be trained annually. If Finnish military budget could be doubled, I would see no problem with this.	/r/MensRights	04/05/15 08:39 AM
2	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Yet somehow, despite the fact that your own arguments and reasoning would dictate that this should happen, you are unwilling to impose it, while being very willing to impose mandatory conscription services for men (and only men). Well if you're saying that my argument should be that we should limit female pregnancies into 6 months on average while having them in an internment camp during that time and the children in institutionalized childcare facilities then on, cared by few professionals and …	/r/MensRights	04/05/15 08:16 AM
2	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t I agree, on both cases. I wouldn't mind getting rid of the draft if Finland could join NATO and have a NATO army of 50 000-100 000 soldiers defending our country in less than a day in the case of an invasion.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 11:52 PM
1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t A woman not intending to carry any children is just as disposable as any man Capable, trained soldiers in significant numbers are hardly disposable. Thinking soldiers as disposable is definitely not a sound military doctrine or strategy. A woman as capable in combat as men on average and unable to have children or deciding not to have them and able to hold that decision until their menopause are welcome to join armed forces any time as far as I'm concerned. How many women like this would you est…	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 11:18 PM
-3	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Population of Finland: 5,4 million. If estimated female combatant casualties number for example 100 000, it is effectively the potential loss of 250 000 people in the next generation, given that they would all bear children instead of dying as combatants. The question is how many women could Finland afford to lose to rebound to it's pre-war numbers. Would imposing mandatory pregnancies be necessary? Most likely not, there was a population boom after WW2, because there were enough women alive to …	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 10:36 PM
-6	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t War has very little to do with equality. During war time there are always restrictions placed on civilian populace. With all the possible modern day scenarios concerning enemy invasion of Finland, it is quite likely that no-one is safe if they stay within the borders of the country. Then it becomes a question of which would you rather have: A fighting chance because of your training even if you originally didn't specifically choose to go through the training, or no chance at all?	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 09:25 PM
1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t I've never made any allusions of calling it equality, I'm stating it as a war time necessity.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 09:14 PM
-4	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Yes, men can choose to do civilian service instead of military service in which they can have training in crisis management situations. Basic things like CPR or helping in environmental crisis management. So as it's far from ideal as people who don't want to do either are jailed, it still is optional, so it's not quite as bleak as throwing guys in jail en mass because they don't want to go to the army.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 09:04 PM
-2	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t The key in understanding the difference is exactly that, 'capable of being sacrificed in order to accomplish a military objective'. Disposable has the connotation of being 'not worth of keeping or maintaining'. It's a significant difference in semantics.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 08:54 PM
-3	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t As I said, being forced to die in a war is erroneous. I think we all can agree on that. Claiming that training the male population to be prepared to defend themselves and their country is forcing them to die in a war couldn't be any further from the truth.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 08:19 PM
-3	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Disposable? No. More expendable, yes. More capable of enduring combat and fighting back? Yes. Does this have anything to do with men being equal parents? Absolutely not. Can men give birth? No, they cannot. Run the numbers how re-population would work if for instance 100 000 women were killed within a matter of months.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 07:51 PM
-6	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Not ever in the history of mankind has there been a war that has destroyed over 90% of the male population. I don't see this type of scenario plausible in the future either.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 07:45 PM
-8	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t Not quite. I am stating that in the case of Finland ever being in the extraordinary circumstances of war, it is both an honor and a duty to defend ones country. Framing military service as being forced to die in a war is completely erroneous. It is essential for the survival of the country for men to be trained and capable of decimating the enemy. Dying in a war is given, avoiding death while punishing the enemy is harder and requires training. It is both duty and privilege to have the strength,…	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 07:32 PM
-10	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t As soon as men can give birth to the next generation after a war can male conscription in Finland be considered as unjust.	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 06:47 PM
-1	7 more legal rights women have that men don’t As a Finn I personally find the conscriptional immunity a little questionable in the case of my country. The geopolitical reality of my country is that we're right next to a far larger country that surpasses our military strength in both technology and manpower. Our population numbers only in around 5 million. Conscription is the only feasible way to ensure our defense capabilities. In the hypothetical scenario of a war, putting both our male and female population in the field of battle would mo…	/r/MensRights	03/05/15 06:30 PM