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kencabbit/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:11 AM
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I'll agree that at least they don't use phrasing like "equal pay for equal work" which is where the big lie is told. I hope that the language on this continues to shift away from the lie and toward reality. But I do think that something like this is furthering the perception of the myth. The minimum wage is not a gendered issue.
/r/MensRights13/03/14 09:15 PM
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What's the source of this image? edit: Found it http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6fc_1389805122#comment_page=2 Appears to be a real fetus, but there is absolutely no context to it. We don't know how far along or the circumstances that led to what we're seeing.
/r/MensRights12/03/14 04:22 PM
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Just throwing in that I'd also love to see the name of this documentary changed, given the current connotations that "The Red Pill" carries.
/r/MensRights12/03/14 04:00 PM
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Like GWW, my reaction is that I can't even bring myself to be offended by it because it's just so bizarre and unfunny.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 04:05 PM
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That's true. I'm just saying that the manhood stuff is a bad example to use if you want cases of unjustified removals, in my opinion. I'm not familiar with what kinds of AMR stuff gets deleted or banned here on a regular basis. Without being on the mod list it can be hard to judge. Sometimes it's appropriate to be a bit strict on comments that come from "hostile" subreddits if they have a habit of regularly raiding and skewing/derailing the discussions. But without being more informed about it I…
/r/MensRights11/03/14 01:54 PM
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The manhood academy people get banned for spamming and spreading propaganda. The removed comments from this image are almost certainly that same manhood academy spam. The banhammer for their case hasn't come flippantly. It's come after a long history of spamming the subreddit with their crap after being told numerous times to knock it off.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 01:42 PM
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Das_Mime is intentionally relaying a quote that they should know to be a misquote. At this point it's just lying. "Genitally" in that sentence was intended to be the word "generally" but was published otherwise in the interview. Farrell has been demanding a retraction of that misquote for a long time now. It should be common knowledge to anybody invested enough in the issue to spend hours arguing it.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 05:17 AM
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I see no reason to doubt that account, and the gist of it has was relayed to Das_Mine several times here by way of directly quoting Farrell on the issue. But Das_Mine has no interest in hearing or considering it. Farrell likes him some incest, and that's the end of it as far as people like Das_Mime are concerned.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 05:12 AM
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He's describing how the people he interviewed presented their experiences. He's said so, and has been quoted as saying exactly that numerous times to you in this thread. He found six out of two hundred cases that presented their incestuous experience as a positive family thing and described that to the interviewer. Then the interviewer writes it up as though he promotes incest as something positive. If you actually read what Warren Farrell has to say about it, not just the snippits quote mined f…
/r/MensRights11/03/14 12:23 AM
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Bans don't automatically remove your comments. But it looks like they did so in your case either way.
/r/MensRights11/03/14 12:15 AM
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You're welcome to form your own opinions, the evidence about his own views are out there in the links and discussion above.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 11:40 PM
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We only have his word for it, and I'll take that over anybody else because he's the one who did the research the book was intended to be about. Edit: to be clear, this is his word on the subject The focus of the book was broadening the base of therapeutic options for interventions that could reverse trauma. The Kinsey Institute ranked it as the best and most responsible study ever done on the subject. However, in the process of always being asked about the positive experiences, the deeper purpos…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 11:35 PM
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Whether they do or not, this policy has nothing to do with feminism. It has everything to do with pretty, young girls being a "product" that the nightclub is selling.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 10:48 PM
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See edit, I was being too subtle. My whole point was that you're talking about a book that never got published as if you know what's in it. He decided to abandon the idea of publishing it because the interview was misleading and misconstrued his point.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 10:36 PM
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I'm not really invested in Farrell as a source. I don't cite him for anything or use any research he's done. I'm sure I don't agree with everything he's said, about incest or otherwise. But outside of references to this book I have not seen anything very troubling about his positions, either in the 70s or now. Having not read the book myself, but having seen numerous quotes from Farrell and others about it, I'm inclined to think that these comments are basically correct. Have you read the book? …
/r/MensRights10/03/14 09:55 PM
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This isn't my first encounter with the issue, AVFM is just the first link with information that came up on the google search. There's a reason I encouraged googling for other sources. It's interesting that you seem to be on my case about linking to a biased source, when the source you've linked me to is mostly this author's uncharitable interpretation and opinion of the quotes that are sprinkled through it. "When I get my most glowing positive cases, 6 out of 200," says Farrell, "the incest is p…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 09:16 PM
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Can shaming ever be a tool for a social good? Or is the potential for abuse too great? I suppose, if you're shaming somebody for something they actually should rightfully be ashamed of. But that's a subjective judgment. You'd have to take it in context depending on the case. Shaming really wouldn't be my first tactic of choice in most situations, in any case. Which wars would regard as noble ones? Is a noble cause enough? Historically? Things aren't usually so black and white. There have been wa…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 09:03 PM
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This thread that you're commenting in is more about how MRA commentors are treated there by the mods, and less about the meat of the discussion regarding the white feather movement. I'd actually like to read the discussion you're trying to have, but apparently it won't be allowed in /r/badhistory. I do have a negative view of the white feather movement, because shaming men to go die in a war is bad form, even if the cause is good. It is an interesting historical note speaking toward the obligati…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 08:31 PM
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I'd like that as well. But it probably won't be coming since they've already shown that they're going to delete any comment she makes.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 06:35 PM
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He's being quote mined on a misquote out of a larger context. AVFM has a bit about it, but if you google it and ignore the hit-jobs you can find other sources discussing it as well. http://www.avoiceformen-uk.com/2013/04/the-warren-farrell-incest-hoax.html
/r/MensRights10/03/14 03:32 PM
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It's a shame that /u/girlwriteswhat didn't even try to respond to that thread against her. I don't know who to believe, and it would've been very interesting to see her argue her case. She did respond at least once, but had her response deleted by the mods.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 03:02 PM
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Looks like a leaked shot from somebody else to me. To show the tags.
/r/MensRights10/03/14 02:27 PM
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Usually I don't like "The mods of X subreddit suck!" posts. But they aren't usually as well presented and comprehensive as this. Well done. I suppose my prior lack of love for /r/badhistory comes into play. BTW: Well, considering that the woman has gone on record, among other things, as saying that men should be able to beat their wives without fear of reprisal because "otherwise women act like chimpanzees," the bubbling vitriol is not without cause. Anybody know wtf this is referring to? I know…
/r/MensRights10/03/14 02:26 PM
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So this issue seems to be incredibly misrepresented as far as why the wage gap is important to feminism. The wage gap has nothing to do with women making less than men in the same position because of conscious sexism, most feminists don't claim this (though there are some cases where one gender is payed more than the other, that is not the overreaching problem). It has to do with women making, on average, less than men because of the way each gender is socialized. From the comments. This person …
/r/MensRights06/03/14 03:25 PM
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Yes, they're quite sensitive with the banhammer.
/r/MensRights06/03/14 03:21 PM
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It looks like you didn't x-post it yourself. Or if you did, you did it with another account and then commented on that with this one. http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1zk0h5/female_computer_scientists_make_the_same_salary/cfukn7w http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/1zkk37/female_computer_scientists_make_the_same_salary/cfuj2tc Second comment deleted from the subreddit, it was this: What a disgusting, chauvinistic heathen he is for posting such an article! So you were banned for …
/r/MensRights06/03/14 02:42 AM
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It's certainly an issue I care about and freely speak out about. I mean I try not dwell on it as personal matter, in regards to my own body, if that makes sense.
/r/MensRights05/03/14 05:08 PM
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As a circumcised man I try not to think about that. It's something I can't change, so dwelling on it at a personal level is fruitless. But it's hard to avoid wondering sometimes just how much better sex might be for me if I hadn't had that part of me lopped off as an infant. My wife seems to reach levels of pleasure I can only imagine vicariously. I wonder if there would be more parity there if I were intact. That's certainly not to say I'm unsatisfied from our activities, though!
/r/MensRights05/03/14 04:58 PM
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I don't have a huge issue with this particular, specific email. There are valid reasons to raise awareness for Women's heart health issues. Men and women experience heart disease differently, and historically we've had little focus on managing it in women. That's not the case now, of course, since we've had years of awareness campaigning. And that said, I do have a larger problem with the level of awareness campaigning we've reached for Women's Heart Health in that it's eclipsing concerns for me…
/r/MensRights25/02/14 03:08 AM
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Edit: I've edited this quite a bit because I originally only intended to link to the sources, but over time decided to analyze them a bit. The author found this article that raised questions, because the article makes it clear that acid attacks are used on both men and women, and makes the claim: Forty percent of the acid attack victims in Pakistan are men or boys. Finding this interesting, the author tried to find the source of that number. And could only come up with a few sources, but what wa…
/r/MensRights23/02/14 02:28 PM
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Which is also funny because it is, in reality the exact opposite. Re: The video. I laugh out loud at the woman near the end calling the guy "fucking scum" because at one point she gets exasperated and heaves out "fucking scum!!?" in frustration, as if to say "Why can't this guy just agree with me that he's scum?!!"
/r/MensRights23/02/14 02:26 AM
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*My biggest problem with her position is that she views sex as a matter of physical force even when it's apparently consentual. The man has more responsibility because he's stronger. Even if his physical abilities had nothing to do with gaining him the "drunk sex" to begin with. Unless I'm misunderstanding her. Or, alterntaively she views sex that you later regret as something that women (and I suppose men) need to be protected from, and men, being stronger, have a higher duty to be the protecto…
/r/MensRights22/02/14 04:47 PM
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Yeah I was quite off the ball, wasn't I?
/r/MensRights10/02/14 08:25 PM
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Ah, I missed that one!
/r/MensRights10/02/14 04:49 PM
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A lot of bad here along with the good. I know I'm echoing other comments here, but I think promoting bad statistics does harm.
/r/MensRights10/02/14 04:04 PM
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At least they kept the language of the actual tips gender neutral (edit: except for number 5). Of course, when you group is "Solidarity Against Patriarchy" I doubt anybody is going to think you are addressing this message to anybody but men. And "creep" is very nearly a gendered term as it is.
/r/MensRights10/02/14 03:59 PM
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This is something the increased focus on women's heart health is attempting to address. That is, getting more women "in it" to begin with by raising awareness. There's no problem with that in itself, of course, but programs that focus on women's health should never be to the explicit exclusion of men as alleged by the recent relevant submission. edit: For example, if your awareness program is leading young people to believe that it's women who are more at risk from heart disease, then you may ha…
/r/MensRights09/02/14 03:58 PM
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This begs for more sourcing and verification. Some of the claims would be hard to immediately source, though. edit: The issue is important, including more sourcing prevents it from being dismissed as a troll or propaganda like so many comments in /r/self are doing.
/r/MensRights08/02/14 06:29 PM
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That's a fair point. I only say this about my experience because the people around me were rather explicit about their motivations. It's all about CYA.
/r/MensRights05/02/14 01:10 AM
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I'm okay with assault on a fetus being an additional crime. However, it would indeed be more consistent to describe that crime as distinct from assault (or murder of) a person. For me personally those cases are not about the personhood of the fetus. It should be an additional crime because forcing a miscarriage is inflicting an additional physical and psychological trauma that is worth extra legal distinction.
/r/MensRights04/02/14 02:45 PM
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What you describe is true of the warnings male teachers are given during their training and on the job. Teachers have it beaten into their heads to never be alone with any student. Female teachers get these warnings, too, but in my experience there's a special nod toward male teachers when this stuff comes up, as if to say "especially you guys!" There is a heavy focus on recognizing your liability and how easy it is for a student to ruin your life with an allegation. It's about your own liabilit…
/r/MensRights03/02/14 01:03 PM
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I've seen feminists calling this one out lately. From the perspective that it hurts women to perpetuate this myth. Another reason left leaning feminists are vocal against this myth is in the opening paragraph of the linked article. Representative Christopher H. Smith, Republican of New Jersey and co-chairman of the House anti-human trafficking caucus, and N.J. Gov. Chris Christie announced a sex trafficking law enforcement crackdown. Cindy McCain (wife of John McCain) in advance of next year’s S…
/r/MensRights02/02/14 11:04 PM
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We're getting by fine, but it's nice to be judged by anonymous people swearing at you on the internet.
/r/MensRights01/02/14 01:55 AM
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We are raised to internalize the idea that we are good for and judged on our ability to work and generate money. Stay at home dads struggle with this. Not just internally, but from the people around you who actually do openly judge you.
/r/MensRights31/01/14 01:52 PM
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"Left leaning" isn't synonymous with Democrat in the end, although I do vote Democrat more often than anything else (they are usually the only not-conservative option on the ballet for most races). I've voted for Republicans before and third party candidates when available. Generally I'm a big supporter of independent or third party candidates when it comes to local and state races. Breaking the two party vice grip on the state and local level can open up larger victories later on, particularly …
/r/MensRights29/01/14 05:09 PM
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This doesn't address why the 77 cents figure is incorrect, though. Usually the implication being made by citing the figure is that a woman in the same position with the same qualifications makes on average 77 cents less than a man would. That implication is false. Presenting that statistic in this way is actually detrimental to finding real solutions to employment disparities.
/r/MensRights29/01/14 04:12 AM
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As a left leaning person there are a number of phrases that keep getting repeated by left side of US politics that make me want to throw things every time I hear them. "War on women" and "77 cents" are up there for sure.
/r/MensRights29/01/14 03:43 AM
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I'm with the author as far as I'd probably rather see this happen at the local level. But I'd have to look at the actual guidelines to really decide. Local/federal aside, I really don't like most zero tolerance policies. From a men's rights perspective they hurt boys more than help.
/r/MensRights29/01/14 01:50 AM
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I don't expects men's rights stuff to be well received in any forum that isn't dedicated to it. Particularly on left leaning websites. The US political left has embraced feminism to a much greater degree than the right. So of course one should expect more push back from the left on things like this. But not all pro-choicers are like this. I already pointed out that there are quite a few pro-choice people in this thread arguing for male reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 01:45 PM
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Pro-Choice'rs claim that a fetus is not a human life I'm actually really hoping to avoid getting into an abortion debate here (or anywhere, but particularly here) right at this moment. But for many pro-choice people it's not even about whether or not it's a biologically unique human "life" in those words. It's a stage of human development with a unique human genome. The real argument is over whether or not this alone is sufficient to grant full rights of human personhood that override the rights…
/r/MensRights26/01/14 01:11 PM
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Yeah, I like the comic. I just don't like the unfortunate impression from the title that "pro-choice" people are as a group are upholding this double standard. There are some good comments in this thread discussing a pro-choice perspective that is also advocating male reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 04:28 AM
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That's less about whether or not you are pro-choice, though, and more about most of society thinking men should be on the hook regardless of ones stance on abortion.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 04:18 AM
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Of course not. Being pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean you are also okay with screwing dads or don't also support male reproductive rights.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 03:29 AM
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Of course, not every pro-choice person embodies this double standard, and a lot of pro-life advocates are just as bad in their double standards when it comes to men versus women and parental responsibility.
/r/MensRights26/01/14 02:15 AM
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Ah, yes thank you. Don't know how I missed that.
/r/MensRights25/01/14 01:14 PM
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I'm sure the DOE also has numbers for fields that have a male majority? Also, is this percentage the number of Doctorate holders, or the number of Doctorate holders actually employed in the field?
/r/MensRights24/01/14 07:12 PM
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Do you think the alternative (resisting violently) would have led to... a better outcome?
/r/MensRights24/01/14 06:46 PM
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As somebody else who had an exchange with TRPACC about this, just felt like saying "me too" to the sentiment of this comment.
/r/MensRights24/01/14 12:29 AM
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I don't mind rape jokes, generally. That's one of my favorite Carlin bits. This submission is interesting to me because of the double standard it illustrates. Also, sometimes prison rape jokes are more than jokes. Doesn't seem to be the case here, but being raped in prison is sometimes put out there as just another aspect of justice. And that's one reason people turn a blind eye to it.
/r/MensRights24/01/14 12:23 AM
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Just say "mansplaining" if you're going to invoke it.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 10:49 PM
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Don't tell me what I'm arguing. I'm responding to your comments here, in context.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 10:42 PM
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So, if you went out, got drunk, and then a driver decided to mount the path and run you over and left you with PTSD. You're assuming that I consider the sex in question to be analogous to somebody maliciously running you down on the side of the road. I don't, in that case. But we can move past that. And some redundant idiot came along and started saying how if you had stayed at home that night you wouldn't have made it happen, you would see it perfectly reasonable. I'm not arguing that I should …
/r/MensRights23/01/14 10:32 PM
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any feminist that knows what they are talking about There are a lot of feminists out there who apparently don't.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 10:25 PM
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and yet frequently get really angry and concerned about it. In part because that label of "victim blaming" is sometimes misused to dismiss an argument or close down discussion instead of referring to any of the therapeutic considerations you are referring to. If somebody is raped and the first reaction is to criticize her outfit, then I'll be on board with calling that victim blaming. But if somebody goes out, gets drunk and agrees to sex, and then later calls it rape, then I don't want to be sh…
/r/MensRights23/01/14 10:17 PM
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You seemed to be arguing against the advice given above, as if following it would lead to a ruptured nutsack. Then you advocated using violence. It just seemed like you might have been suggesting that the kid should have violently resisted before the abuse of power took place, in order to prevent it. (Which would have been crazy, so I was just trying to clarify!)
/r/MensRights23/01/14 05:11 PM
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Are you arguing that this kid should have used violence against police before any abuse of power took place?
/r/MensRights23/01/14 04:16 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right, in the end. The question should have never come up in that context, but he also shouldn't have lied under oath about it once it was asked. I fault his character for the whole mess, and I didn't mind him facing some kind of censure for lying under oath. But I also certainly don't think it was worth impeachment.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 03:45 PM
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I think this advice is intended to come into play before your nutsack is ruptured.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 03:16 PM
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I'm not sure why you seem to be interpreting starbuxed's comment as defending the police officer?
/r/MensRights23/01/14 01:59 PM
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It's still a better idea than alternatives. Staying calm and quiet, communicating your lack of consent and desire for a lawyer should lead to a lot less unpleasant outcomes than any alternative I can think of. Edit: To clarify, you can physically comply with asserted demands while voicing your lack of consent.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 01:56 PM
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Succinctly explaining why I thought the last link on this story (and this one as well) is nothing more than partisan character assassination.
/r/MensRights23/01/14 01:34 AM
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The question of "is Wendy Davis a bad person" and "is she the best candidate" are two separate things. On that note, it is important to get down to what the actual dirt is. While this comment by EatsTinyBaldBabies is doing its best to insult me and berate me for being a partisan liberal, there remains a good point in all that mess that I actually agree with. Corruption is a hugely important issue. Finding a way to get "good people" up there, instead of just settling for the least ugly lizard wou…
/r/MensRights21/01/14 04:29 PM
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Your edit is making a lot more assumptions about my partisan attitudes than you are accusing me of.
/r/MensRights21/01/14 03:52 PM
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As a form a character assassination is kinda stupid. That it's character assassination at all is what mostly bothers me about it. I'd rather read criticisms of her political positions than a piece telling me how much of a bitch she is. (But that wouldn't belong on this subreddit at all, unless it was specifically about her positions on issues affecting men.)
/r/MensRights21/01/14 02:12 PM
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Put him on the large pile of famous people I don't hate, but disagree with on any number of issues. I enjoy Tabletop quite a bit, and this doesn't change that. That he says he "accidentally" noticed is interesting. It tells me he probably hasn't looked very closely and maybe he's only been exposed to criticisms or the occasional ugliness that people pass around as representing the whole.
/r/MensRights21/01/14 02:02 PM
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sourced from When a source is as dubious as the Daily Mail but the claim is interesting it can help to try to find where the article is getting their info from. Of course, one thing that makes a source "dubious" to me is a habit of not providing that information.
/r/MensRights21/01/14 01:41 PM
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I actually tried to look up this number to fact check something I heard on the TV. It was presented as something like.. 75 percent of people below poverty in the U.S. are women and children. That threw off my skeptical sirens because they're lumping two groups together. And I know this is one tactic that gets used to make one group seem more affected than others. I thought... okay, so what's the percentage of men and children? I didn't look very long, but I did spot this on wikipedia which seems…
/r/MensRights16/01/14 02:03 AM
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I agree. It's a somewhat universal thing. It's only ironic that teenage girls are reputed to be the worst offenders here, given the message of the comic.
/r/MensRights29/12/13 01:40 PM
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Original comic almost has a good message, if you remove it from the feminism wrappings. Direct the message toward teenage girls, for example. They seem to be in particular need of it. In the end there will always be people who poo on who you choose to be. It's not a patriarchal conspiracy to keep women down. Men face it, too. Just ask a stay at home dad.
/r/MensRights29/12/13 01:24 PM
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Some dude's beer talk and speculation that it's misandry behind that is total bullshit. This is the other major sin, yes.
/r/MensRights28/12/13 05:20 PM
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The main sin this article commits is saying anything at all about transsexualism. It's a poisonous topic, in my experience, where no matter what you have to say (on any side of the issue) you are going to be called transphobic or offend people. But maybe that's why it needs to be discussed seriously, in the end.
/r/MensRights28/12/13 01:10 PM
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I've never thought I could get away with ragged, torn underwear if I wanted to show any sex appeal. I've known some women to keep some really old, dingy undies as well. They just don't wear them when they want to be sexy. Ads aren't about the truth anyway. It's about trying to motivate you to buy from them. Sex shame works.
/r/MensRights26/12/13 06:14 AM
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This is somewhat simplistic, I think. Sometimes people cry sexism and racism when it's just a plain old insult. But sometimes there really is racism or sexism behind it. Telling a black person they are worthless isn't necessarily racist. Telling a black person they are worthless based on your own prejudices against their skin colour and ethnicity, or referring to black people in general as worthless. Obviously that would be racism. I'm sure the author knows this and isn't intending to deny it. B…
/r/MensRights24/12/13 05:20 PM
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The other side of this is the reality of prostitution on the street. When prostitution is legal and regulated it can be a pretty good job. When it's an illegal activity that has to run underground, sometimes the girls are treated very poorly. Sometimes to the point where one could actually call them sex slaves. The John might not be the one who owns the slave. But they're certainly renting them. I have no first hand experience with that, but it's the impression I get from various things I've wat…
/r/MensRights24/12/13 01:36 AM
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I lost my job pretty much right after my daughter was born so it just kinda made sense. This isn't my exact situation but it's close enough. Most of my family thinks it's horrible that I'm not out there looking for work, even though I'm taking care of an infant that is too young for pre-school and pretty much should have a parent around all day at her age. They expect me to find a job so that my wife can quit her (somewhat promising) career and stay at home instead. The pressure is tough sometim…
/r/MensRights11/12/13 06:31 AM
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This title strikes me as a bit off. Don't we spend quite a large chunk of money attempting to bring down people who train suicide bombers? That they're training suicide bombers to kill people is reason enough to spend billions of dollars. Frankly, that they rape the suicide bombers along the way doesn't really add much to it beyond that. That said. Sexual abuse as a means of conditioning and controlling people is a story worth attention, because it's abhorrent, and also because it helps us under…
/r/MensRights10/12/13 06:29 AM
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To confirm it's a reply you actually received. Easily faked, but more substantiated than copy pasting into the text box. It's not about doubting you specifically (this doesn't strike me as faked in any way). It's just a standard request for more sourcing.
/r/MensRights09/12/13 12:29 AM
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Thanks! I get irked by this kind of thing, as you might imagine, but I don't like to get "properly" irked without some kind of sourcing behind it.
/r/MensRights06/11/13 02:02 PM
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I doubt there is any such mandate for men. It would be much easier to form a rational opinion on this if they would just make this page: www.hrsa.gov/mensguidelines/ Unfortunately it does not exist. I gather that there are very few, if any guidelines that are specific to men's health*. It seems to be generally accepted that men are the "generic" while women are special cases that need accommodating. Feminists might argue that this is putting women in a second class (even though feminist policies…
/r/MensRights06/11/13 02:00 PM
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Do you have a source handy that references the relevant laws here?
/r/MensRights06/11/13 01:49 PM
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As far as battles go, this isn't one I'd take up arms for. It's an interesting note, though.
/r/MensRights02/11/13 04:48 PM
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I think it's interesting that COTWA would have reached a different conclusion to begin with. Of course, your original stance may have been formed well before I ever heard of the case, with less information. This speaks well of COTWA for me. Even though a mistake was made, it shows that COTWA does not default to assuming any given accusation is false (as some feminists would likely believe). It also shows how easy it is to rush to judgment if even COTWA can fall into that trap.
/r/MensRights24/10/13 05:30 PM
3

That sounds fairly specific to the politics in Denmark. Conservatism means something entirely different in the US. These terms are inseparably tied to the party politics that people associate with them unless you explicitly indicate otherwise... and even then a lot of people assume you're still talking party politics.
/r/MensRights23/10/13 04:31 PM
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This is part of the reason that many people in the MRM advocate against politicizing the movement (the other reason being that neither party is good on men). I'm one of those left wing male redditors. I think jolly_mcfats nails it down a bit here. I don't think it's just that. It's just that that is a very small portion of Anne Coulter's "brand". If the main thing people knew about Anne Coulter was that she did stuff like that, her affiliation with her political alliance would be a much smaller …
/r/MensRights22/10/13 11:38 PM
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I agree with this, but I did see the picture uncensored as it was posted in the other thread (and I see it here as well). Blocking out her face protects her identity but at the cost of covering up the smile on her face that suggests anything but rape. We shouldn't judge the situation by her expression alone, but blocking it out right above the words "rape alleged" allows the audience to imagine her expression is something quite different. That said, all things considered it was more important to…
/r/MensRights16/10/13 11:18 PM
5

I'm actually somewhat charitable to people who say this kind of thing, as far as their intent and their true beliefs on the matter are concerned. I don't mean to say that this kind of statement isn't really horrible. I just don't think they've really thought about what it is they are actually stating with the words. That people can so casually say things like this without a second thought reveals a lot about our culture, and how favorable women are viewed and how disregarded men are in our moder…
/r/MensRights11/10/13 01:18 AM
21

I was just thinking the same thing. I'd better apologize to my wife for all that rape...
/r/MensRights10/10/13 03:09 PM
3

The introduction struck me as a little... unconcerned. One thing I can imagine if the sexes were reversed is the lead in to the video by the news crew would include a lot more "disgusting" or "appalling" kinds of words, and those words "sexual assault" will probably be there, too.
/r/MensRights13/09/13 04:34 PM
2

he gave the job to another girl who was barely on the store and didn't always met the quota. Because the new girl hasn't been making the company more money, by the actual numbers. If we take the story at face value, the first employee regularly exceeds their quote (makes the store more money), while the hot girl does not.
/r/MensRights07/09/13 02:39 AM
1

"Anyone on the internet I don't like wears a fedora" I think there's been a perfect storm culminating to this for a while now.
/r/MensRights06/09/13 12:16 AM
3

Yes absolutely is was very boring. Half of the course was taking surveys such as the one I posted. ... and as seen by the screenshot these are "push" surveys that are trying to nudge you, throughout the course, toward a certain perspective. edit: I noticed this a lot back when I was in college. Not just around feminist issues, but as an education major whenever I took a class related to any social issues or dealing with diversity in students. Those courses always had a lot of leading surveys. We…
/r/MensRights05/09/13 03:56 PM
2

I'm glad this continues to come up. It's an excellent case that illustrates so much.
/r/MensRights11/08/13 09:22 PM
0

Enjoy being bitter and fighting a battle against rape victims. Your comment was insightful until this shit.
/r/MensRights11/08/13 05:37 PM
1

So easy to miss tone in written messages. I'd just had another comment that was getting sorely misinterpreted, so I was in that mind frame.
/r/MensRights11/08/13 12:05 AM
2

Ah! Yes, this is true. There are a lot of factors that can go into your salary, particularly in a company that doesn't have a strict wage table. What you say is true, and I didn't mean to suggest anything that needed this pointed out in refutation. The personal stories I mentioned are not, in any way, evidence that the wage difference is because of their gender. Sometimes it can be as simple as one person asked for more money on the application when they were hired.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 11:54 PM
1

This seems nonsequitur in the context of this thread. In way are people doing the same for men?
/r/MensRights10/08/13 11:46 PM
1

It's like the argument that people eat McDonalds at the expense of eating other things because they can't help it, so we need to ban McDonalds. This doesn't really seem analogous to me. I wouldn't want to take any action based on anecdotal evidence in any case unless that evidence crosses the threshold to become a case of provable, individual discrimination. And then I'd only be taking that case as a single case, until enough cases came about to show a clear and consistent pattern across the wor…
/r/MensRights10/08/13 03:25 PM
2

Yeah, that's true. But, to play devil's advocate that doesn't mean there isn't still a problem that's harder to pin down with court-worthy evidence. If employers have biases based on gender stereotypes that inform their decision making when giving promotions and raises, they might not leave a concrete trail. You'd have to do some real research to uncover that, looking at patterns over a sustained period of time. Not the kind of thing an individual worker can do when they're looking across the of…
/r/MensRights10/08/13 02:38 PM
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I've also had several personal stories relayed to me along the lines of "I know that guy X makes a higher salary than I do, even though we have similar experience, in the same position.. etc." But nothing concrete enough to constitute evidence worth spreading.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 01:58 PM
2

Some people approach agnosticism as almost equivalent to proper skepticism. Unfortunately, many of those same people also pigeonhole atheists into a position that can't overlap with their own. Like, apparently, nanonan here.
/r/MensRights10/08/13 02:45 AM
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If they told me it was cloudy outside, I'd check the window before believing them. I've also reached this point with them. That makes me sad because I used to read PZ's blog, and Greta, and they helped solidify my skeptical views that now demand me to seriously doubt anything they say with regards to this stuff.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:35 PM
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For what it's worth I haven't seen much love for this brand of feminism in /r/atheism. There are a number of users there who worship at the altar of PZ, but there are more who don't. I'm not sure your picture of /r/atheism on this front is accurate. A lot of people on /r/atheism are downright hostile to the atheism+ movement.
/r/MensRights09/08/13 03:29 PM
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For me, the problem is less about whether it's good or bad for either gender, and more about how stark the double standard is when presented like this. Imagine a sexualized man in his underwear kissing a 13 year old girl in a photo. Don't just imagine your own opinion of the scenario, but how you know the public would react to that. And compare that to how most people would react to this. Regardless of whether or not the content of the picture is okay, the double standard is an example of how ma…
/r/MensRights09/06/13 03:23 AM
3

The bottom line here is that this is just one proposal in a big book of them that may or may not even be heard over a multi-day assembly, and even if heard, may or may not be approved. Any jack or Jill can write a proposal and put it on an agenda usually by following some straightforward procedure. That's a thousands miles away from TBA group actually adopting that proposal. Thanks, I suspected the case was something like this.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 11:48 PM
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It didn't have any parent or child comments. That's why it appears "shadow deleted" instead of just deleted. When a comment is removed with no children it just goes away.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 10:30 PM
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There are two ways to remove a comment. You can "remove" it, or "spam" it. I just did some testing in a subreddit I moderate to see how it looks from the outside (logging off and refreshing the page). I made a few comments, and then removed some by spamming, and the others by removing. One showed as [deleted] and the other just vanished. I suspect that the "spammed" comments are just vanished so that the spammer is not alerted. So it's like shadowbanning the comment. EDIT: Okay, I'm wrong about …
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:46 PM
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OP, can you provide a screenshot of the comment showing from your account, showing any parent comments as well?
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:32 PM
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Relatively lacking in fireworks. Agreement when they can, but with awkward looks accompanying the conversation. I've never had a hugely negative reaction, but I barely ever bring it up. Edit: Basically, as another comment puts it I don't discuss men's rights outside of reddit except with people I think are capable of having a discussion.
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:17 PM
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and it's definitely not limited to a single gender. Certainly not. The company my wife works for is always trying to get her to agree to work a 60 hour week. (She's treated well, though, has good benefits, and they don't penalize her in any way for not working as much overtime as they want. But they certainly want her to work as much overtime as she can cram in.)
/r/MensRights30/05/13 05:10 PM
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...awful litany of hyperbolic complaints against mens rights groups, to support two additional phrases being added to some policy statement that neither mention mens rights groups, nor apply to mens rights groups in a general sense. The proposed additional sentences are phrased to be completely sanitized of the anti-MRA motivations for adding them. Interestingly enough, the additions would be relatively harmless if it weren't for some gendered language and how they would probably seek to apply t…
/r/MensRights30/05/13 04:57 PM
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And just as you shouldn't make STI and pregnancy gendered issue where females are viewed as particularly in need of the message, one shouldn't make sexual misconduct a gendered issue where males are viewed as in special need of the message. Particularly given that the statistics on sexual abuse don't match up with that view (see the title here). She's publishing this personal correspondence in a context, as a public, politicized statement. She's the one politicizing that relationship. We're resp…
/r/MensRights28/05/13 06:20 AM
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It's also being taken in the context of a larger feminist narrative that makes similar points in a more overtly gendered way.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 05:04 AM
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You're glossing over the fact that her letter has painted it as a gendered issue, with boys in particular need of this message. That's where the main offense lies.
/r/MensRights28/05/13 04:05 AM
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The possibility that she could actually come up with anything less than a guilty verdict made it a story worth keeping an eye on. If she had been acquitted it would have certainly been worthy. I think her guilty verdict is worth a mention because people were watching the case, but nothing the MRM should dwell on.
/r/MensRights09/05/13 04:16 PM
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What message are we supposed to take from this, exactly?
/r/MensRights04/05/13 01:10 AM
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One could argue that extending the draft to women is a step toward abolishing it entirely. It raises the issue in a strong way.
/r/MensRights23/04/13 01:09 PM
3

It is a rather strange quote. Does anybody have a context?
/r/MensRights23/04/13 01:08 PM
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I've upvoted you because I think a history of sexual assault is important information when discussing this particular case, but can you source the statements you made here? Clark has previous convictions for indecently assaulting a teenage boy and has been through rehabilitation programmes, This is the only line in the article that references past convictions, and it only mentions a single teenage boy. Also, if his probation was 10 years and started in 1996, then he should no longer be on that p…
/r/MensRights21/04/13 05:25 PM
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Mr. Bhardwaj is also part of a group, ‘Centre for Men’s Rights,’ which believes that men are the oppressed sex Does the group in question phrase it that way?
/r/MensRights21/04/13 04:37 PM
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For me it comes off too much like an "list of enemies" that could encourage targeting of those people on the list. It's public shaming that rings too closely similar to lists and shaming efforts that we condemn when it's done in the other direction. One of our main beefs with rape hysteria is that unconvicted, alleged rapists are publicly shamed and targeted. Many people see register-her as sinking to that level, which is why the letter above mentions rising above it. edit: To clarify, I'm not s…
/r/MensRights17/04/13 04:21 PM
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In the context of math, it's because the work is what you are being taught. You aren't being taught the solutions to problems, rather you are being taught the process by which you can reach that solution. So if you skip the work, you risk skipping the actual meat of the lesson. You're learning the process so that you can apply it to more complicated and abstract problems that you won't be able to do in your head. (Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not trying to argue that how we teach math is right an…
/r/MensRights17/04/13 03:27 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_tMD5bTbLM enjoy!
/r/MensRights17/04/13 03:13 PM
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I've never actually faked one, but I've been in situations where a large part of me certainly wanted to. Honesty won't let me, though.
/r/MensRights16/04/13 02:39 PM
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While there aren't campaigns to ban swimming pools there are many laws that dictate what safety measures you must have when you are installing a pool in your home, and improving pool safety is an ongoing discussion and not an issue free of debate. It's just not a very loud issue because people don't generally get as hot under the collar about their right not to have an alarm system around their pool as they do about guns. Secondly, many will argue that pools aren't designed to drown things, whil…
/r/MensRights14/04/13 01:57 AM
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I agree. One in particular highlights a main issue I have with the original posters. None of them seem to involve actually asking the woman what they want out of the situation.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 11:58 PM
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This kind of stuff on r/MensRights doesn't really make sense. I see your point, but there is something else going on in this series of pictures that does make sense for this subreddit, even if it's not the main focus of this submission. Consider: Every picture is about protecting a vulnerable woman from hostile males. None of the potential victims described by the posters are male. As a result, this campaign portrays men as negative sexual aggressors and women as potential sexual victims.
/r/MensRights13/04/13 07:02 AM
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I quite agree with you. I think people get caught up with associating the issue with one political perspective because the majority of offensively outspoken feminists come from the political left. But as I see it men's rights ultimately isn't and shouldn't be about left or right or conservative or liberal.
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:58 PM
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I just get the impression the majority are conservative, so Im curious. I get this impression as well. But there are a lot of liberals who support Men's Rights, too. Many conservatives marry the ideas of liberalism with feminism, and will use rhetoric that reflects that. It's not uncommon to see liberals/progressives raising an issue with that.
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:51 PM
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I don't think it's a valid concern in the case of rape particularly, where putting the case in the public eye almost always creates more unjust judgment that ultimately bleeds into the trial proceedings in many cases. edit: If the concern is that biased prosecutors will hang more accused rapists out to dry with impunity, that gives me a moment to pause, but then I wonder if that problem would really outweigh the effect of public media shaming.
/r/MensRights11/04/13 03:40 PM
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I get that it's in a classroom, but think back to when you were in school. Can you honestly say seeing that in a teacher's classroom would have been terribly disturbing or discouraging to you? Not in itself, but it contributes to a larger assault that boys face in education that tells them they are not good students, that girls are better behaved and have a better work ethic. Knowing that a similar sign belittling girls would be immediately protested hammers that message down. Looking at how our…
/r/MensRights09/04/13 11:09 PM
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Yeah, I caught this irony and added the parenthetical. They complain about presenting people as less than human, but apparently want us to surgically remove our human sexual preferences and indulgences from our artwork.
/r/MensRights08/04/13 12:32 AM
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It really irks me how this is perceived as portraying women as less than human, coupled with the claim that if it were a man, they would perceive it to imply that men, in turn, were less than human. Art is not allowed to have any sexual nature, and humans are not to be presented as anything but fully human people (except perhaps for showcasing their sexual nature, apparently). This is the message I'm getting.
/r/MensRights07/04/13 05:50 PM
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Not off my head and I'm not really up for researching it right now. I could be wrong. I just seem to remember coming across that somewhere credible, you know? (So maybe I shouldn't have said it so plainly above, now that I think about it.)
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:53 AM
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This comment really hit home for me. Just wanted to let you know.
/r/MensRights23/03/13 12:07 AM
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... and what we do know about it seems to suggest that clothing choice has little to do with it.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:54 PM
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I can't remember the last time (or the first, for that matter) I heard about a man being raped in a "typical" rape in the media. That is, a rape where it would make any sense at all to talk about clothing, even as a matter of victim blaming. We just plain don't talk about those rapes at all.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 11:51 PM
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I know! You do good work. I mean I can hear that complaint from feminists.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 08:40 PM
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I can hear the "what about the menz!?" now. edit: The downvotes may be because I'm not adding to the discussion, which is okay. But on the chance that I'm being misunderstand, I mean that I can hear the feminists dismissing this point because of their "what about the menz?" trope.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 05:40 PM
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I think looking at the things feminist activists ask for, and the things they put up resistance toward is one way to come to that conclusion. I'd substantiate that with some evidence but better people have made this point a lot better than I can.
/r/MensRights22/03/13 04:51 PM
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This is not what most people are referring to when they talk about "rape culture" though. We're talking about references to rape culture that are meant to apply to our western culture at large, not some small community or subculture that is not indicative of mainstream society. That's why when discussing rape culture people talk about news broadcasts, advertisements, movies, and other very mainstream cultural indicators.
/r/MensRights21/03/13 05:30 PM
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As rj20876 points out, though, the culture that allowed this case was not one supporting rape specifically, but one excusing the behavior of their hero football players. They could have beaten up a homeless man or mugged the school nerd and been similarly treated and given a pass by their community. It's fucked up backwards and forwards, but I think the "culture" involved has a lot less to do with supporting rape, and a lot more to do with giving a free pass for town-hero jocks in these places t…
/r/MensRights20/03/13 10:24 PM
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Also, whenever I hear this kind of talk I wonder just what we're expected to say or do on a day to day basis. "Rape is bad!" yelled out randomly at least once or twice a day? Or do I continue to live my life as I do, not teaching anybody that rape is good, and expressing my distaste for rapists in a normal fashion when applicable like I already do?
/r/MensRights20/03/13 05:39 PM
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I've seen a lot of the media response to this. I don't think I've seen very much at all that I would call sympathizing with the rapists. The number of comments I've seen portraying them as promising students are whatnot weren't trying to praise the boys, in my view. They were made for the purpose of establishing that there was a rape culture and idol worship around the football players in the community. These were boys that the community praised and were proud of, and that's why they were given …
/r/MensRights20/03/13 01:00 PM
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I think it's a good topic to bring up and discuss. Women seem to have a lot of problems in India that need to be addressed by some reforms. But we get to watch the pendulum swing, and we get to see how many of the reforms that are proposed and supported take the route of demonizing men or criminalizing what, from our perspective, seems like normal behavior (and only when men do it). But I'm with you that we shouldn't make it a huge torch carrying issue. edit: We can also discuss how the feminist…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 01:56 PM
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Going to cut/paste a critical comment I made about this video elsewhere: When talking about Double Dragon I fault Thunderf00t for missing a little bit of the point. I'm on his side when it comes to the debate in general, but the point is not that the men shouldn't have rescued the woman. Rather, it's the choice of storyline to begin with: the woman gets easily overpowered, and the strong men go to rescue her. She's criticizing the overuse of this storyline. She's not saying that, given the premi…
/r/MensRights19/03/13 12:43 PM
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When talking about Double Dragon I fault Thunderf00t for missing a little bit of the point. I'm on his side when it comes to the debate in general, but the point is not that the men shouldn't have rescued the woman. Rather, it's the choice of storyline to begin with: the woman gets easily overpowered, and the strong men go to rescue her. She's criticizing the overuse of this storyline. She's not saying that, given the premise, the men should just go home. Rather, she's saying that the premise is…
/r/MensRights16/03/13 06:13 PM
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This was an excellent read, thank you.
/r/MensRights15/03/13 01:19 AM
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The double standard is stark both in the content of the submission, and most of the comments. Posting close up, in your face shots of female sex organs all over the place is a good, positive thing. But if somebody put similar shots of hairy penises, with the exact same message, the reception would be very different. There's nothing wrong with the human body. But if we're going to have a society that frowns on public displays of pornographic material, or giant close shots of genitalia, then this …
/r/MensRights08/03/13 01:21 AM
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Or it could be because the friend of the court lies to the father? My brother was lied to and actively worked against by a social worker when they were trying to decide custody. The worker presented him papers and insisted that he had to sign them, and that if he didn't sign them that was against the law, and he was also told that it was already too late to contest anything in the documents he was signing. So he signed them, and he was basically giving up a lot of rights by doing so. Found out a…
/r/MensRights05/03/13 09:20 PM
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I'm just getting tired of those feminists who are always womansplaining, telling us how good we have it. This gave me a chuckle. Thank you! I had never thought of their privilege lectures as being the very thing they are referring to by mansplaining.
/r/MensRights02/03/13 01:00 PM
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Because of your level of education and background you might have a bit of a disconnect with just how basic the material is in a modern Algebra I classroom.... and how spectacularly students are failing to even master that basic level. Most students don't master algebra at all, even if they meet their graduation requirements.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 02:57 PM
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Students at the age they are learning basic algebra don't have a clear picture of the course their life will take, and the careers they might want to pursue. Equipping students with basic algebra skills opens up their options later. If they don't learn it in k-12 schooling and find out they need it later a large percentage of people will probably find themselves unable or unwilling to backtrack. Ask an average student, regardless of their career path, if they would rather skip algebra with no pe…
/r/MensRights01/03/13 02:46 PM
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Seems to me that your problem is with how algebra is taught, not that it is taught. Most students aren't asked to derive the quadratic formula at all, much less with with no scaffolding.
/r/MensRights01/03/13 12:47 AM
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So my question is, why does the MRM have a problem with diversity on the Harvard Law Review editorial board? The 75% male editorial majority isn't good enough? You make good points but I really hate "shaming" questions like this. You may as well ask why we hate women, because it would be just as fallacious. You pose this question as if people here are advocating for less diversity, or more male representation. It should be obvious this isn't the case. What people reject is forced diversity that …
/r/MensRights23/02/13 04:12 PM
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Went to the comments looking for people pointing out some of the gross distortions of the article... couldn't find any. Did find some somewhat special gems, though.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 08:56 PM
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I don't always agree with everything here, but I haven't seen much of what you are referring to. Give me some actual examples and you stand a chance to sway me.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 08:50 PM
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If the problem is unhappiness, you should also need to weight unhappy relationships in a general sense, not just in marriage. You don't have to be married to be utterly unhappy in a relationship, even a long term one. People do it all the time.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 08:39 PM
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Some benefits to my marriage: My wife was able to stay in this country, get a work permit and permanent resident visa. A number of legal rights are assumed automatically because we are married, including the legitimacy of our tax status, her ability to benefit as my spouse from social programs that would not otherwise apply to her as a non-US citizen, automatic hospital visitation rights and healthcare proxy rights, etc. My kids are absolutely mine and we have a fine sex life. I didn't need to b…
/r/MensRights17/02/13 08:29 PM
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I would have to guess that divorce is like killing: after the first one, it becomes easier. You don't have to guess, this conclusion is strongly supported by statistics.
/r/MensRights17/02/13 08:19 PM
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The wording there is mine, the actual table has separate columns for each item on my list. 26% for current or former intimate partner, 7% for another relative, and 38% for friend or acquaintance. The real question would then by how much of that 38% are what we would call "real" acquaintances in this discussion. The second study has 61%, 0%, and 38% respectively. That they found few enough rape cases in the "other family" category that it rounded down to 0% calls the study into question for me. S…
/r/MensRights15/02/13 06:50 PM
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See my reply below.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:30 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States#Rate_of_victimization Here! This page uses a lot of questionable statistics, but even then this table shows a clear trend. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics 71 percent of rapes are current partner, relative, or another acquaintance. The other source, BeShears, Clinton-Sherrod and McAuslan, has that number at a whopping 98 percent.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:29 PM
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A better response would have been to point out how the feminist narrative of male demonization and rape culture is actually the major source of her discomfort and fear. She needs feminism in order to feel afraid around men. The fear is irrational, and feminism supports it.
/r/MensRights15/02/13 01:22 PM
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but it would be the same as a group of guys who were devoted to, say, Pokemon Except that's not the case, and there are a huge number of guys that age who are huge fans of pokemon. Ironically many of those same people scoff at bronies. edit: Although I agree with the point -- making a nerd to nerd comparison makes more sense than general nerd to brony.
/r/MensRights10/02/13 01:33 AM
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They may be -- but I wouldn't want them to assume abuse when there might not be any. After all, we know how things go when allegations of sexual abuse get thrown out without solid evidence. The mere suggestion that girl's father might have sexual abused her could ruin lives. Ask the girl a few questions, feel out the situation a bit, and if there are signs of abuse go from there. Otherwise, without knowing just where the behavior was learned there isn't much one can do.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 05:57 PM
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Being curious and playing doctor, sure. Giving multiple blowjobs is another matter, and it suggests that this girl learned that somewhere.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 02:36 PM
3

I wasn't sure what the big deal with the title was until I was almost done the article, then the WTF hit the fan.
/r/MensRights04/02/13 02:32 PM
2

The experiences and words of your parents do not make my own personal experience with the job stop being what it is. I'm not really interested in debating the merits or difficulty of the job with you, because I don't think I'd ever sway you on it. But you really shouldn't assume what my own life/work experience has been when I haven't provided it (nor will I, because I try not to put personal information on reddit, and it's not worth breaking that policy to make a point that won't convince you a…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 06:17 PM
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Teaching is not a hard job, it's one of the easiest, most secure jobs an adult can have and carries an absolutely absurd pension. It's just misreported as difficult and stressful because most of the people doing it have never had a real job and are so incompetent that they can't even teach children to read. As a teacher, this is very insulting. edit: Before you jump on me this isn't meant to be a counterargument. I think you're wrong about the difficulty of the job, obviously, but I'm not intere…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 04:13 PM
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I'm all for getting rid of bad teachers. We also need to stop creating bad teachers with a bad system. We need to make the education profession more appealing to quality professionals, because as I mentioned earlier we're currently driving good teachers away. Good teachers don't want to work in our current public education system, because in a lot of ways it's a really shitty job and it seems like every new policy that gets put in place to try and fix it just makes the job shittier. It's the "an…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 02:45 PM
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the claim that there's an invisible unnamed outside force which prevents the poor innocent teachers from achieving the desired results. This isn't what I claimed. (And to extent that I did reference outside sources, I named them.) And they have thirteen years to do it. They have one year to contribute their part, and often students who come into your classroom at a middle school and high school level come in years behind. They have thirteen years in the school system, and the entire system is br…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 01:40 PM
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It's fair to say that teachers aren't the ones who get to decide the main priority in the classroom in our current education environment. That's not to say that teachers have no control over how their classes are run, how they teach, and so forth. But hands are increasingly tied and pressure comes from all sides to focus on high stakes standardized tests, often at the expense of actual understanding of the concepts involved. Teachers are also heavily pressured not to fail students, particularly …
/r/MensRights02/02/13 06:59 AM
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I'm not arguing any facts, and I'm not arguing against the idea that education is very broken and ineffective, rather your characterization of their motives for becoming teachers and their view of power as a teacher. When you've got 60% of kids in Michigan unable to read at a "college level" (i.e. functionally), then you have completely and utterly failed at your job. There is a lot of blame to go around on this, to be fair. Much, but certainly not all of it on teachers. Policy, bureaucracy, and…
/r/MensRights02/02/13 06:45 AM
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A lot of what you've said rings true, but as a teacher who has met a lot of other teachers I can't say I've met many who actually fit your characterization of teachers. Males are treated unfairly in U.S. education, and they are treated unfairly by a lot of their teachers to be sure, but I'd hesitate to demonize teachers in the way you have. edit: There are quiet a few male teachers in my district, although females still dominate. Maybe it's a regional difference?
/r/MensRights02/02/13 06:08 AM
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Thanks! Good to know.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 08:52 PM
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many of which have for a long time treated it exclusively as a men's issue. I realize that heart-attacks are more stereotypically a man thing when it comes to our fictional media. (You see a guy clutching his chest and keeling over far more often than women, for example.) I think this archetype is representative of the gender stereotypes at play -- the man is the one prone to being so worked up and angry, while also being so full of cholesterol and fat, that his heart just chokes on all that irr…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 08:32 PM
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It's not my paper, and the links are provided above if you want to know what they've considered. Although I'm not sure how you could qualify that kind of consideration in an objective paper without introducing heavy potential for bias. Edit: That may have come off as a bit more snarky than I intended. I mean to say that I'm not intimately familiar with the paper but the information you are looking for should be in the links provided. But you're nearly making a "men can take it" argument here, wh…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 02:29 PM
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You're refuting claims about incidents of violence with incidents of murder. While it's true that murder is more troubling than a few punches or even a thrown chair, you're still looking at two different metrics. That said, the asymmetry in homicide statistics is still important and worth noting, if we are going to consider the statistics fairly.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 03:49 AM
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I agree that if someone's disagreement with a larger point is simply saying it's misogynistic, that's wrong, but that's also not what you said. For reference this is what I actually said: As somebody who is typically on the political left I get really frustrated at progressives, particularly feminist pundits, who reduce every argument against birth control or abortion to their opponent hating women, or waging war on women. It's gut-wrenchingly awful to watch somebody whose views I've respected s…
/r/MensRights01/02/13 02:07 AM
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.. and if you agree with the position I've repeatedly restated and clarified explicitly as my whole point, why the hell are you still replying and attacking me?
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:50 AM
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I actually agree with your point about calling someone a misogynist as the thrust of disagreement being wrong, but nobody is arguing that point, Actually, you seemed very clearly to be arguing it -- since that was the extent of my original comment that you so strangely replied to with the suggestion that I might hate women.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:44 AM
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It's really rich being lectured about engaging in discussion rather than avoiding it by you, given the point I originally made.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:32 AM
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Thanks for the vapid insults and refusal to address any actual issues! It was fun. Edit: I mean.. the entirely of your point seemed to be to bring up the possibility that I might be a misogynist. Really fruitful discussion, that.
/r/MensRights01/02/13 01:28 AM
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You were working off the assumption that you couldn't be misogynistic No, I wasn't. Why do you think this is the case? and it is seems more likely to me you might be one if a feminist is calling you one. And I'm forced to point out that in the context of this discussion I agree with the feminist on the issue, and I'm let down that the feminist is calling somebody else a misogynist instead of debating the relevant points on their merits. And yes, in this case, whether or not you are being misogyn…
/r/MensRights31/01/13 07:48 PM
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I double checked with my lawyer and went in the pediatric office to fill out a record request page and informed them that if they didn't comply they'd hear from my lawyer. A few days later they called and I went to pick up my documents with that nice little note on the front. Thanks for providing this extra information. Wanting to double check is one thing, but that you had to go to this length to actually get the records is bothersome. What is the custody status, incidentally? (Only asking beca…
/r/MensRights31/01/13 05:23 PM
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and it appears you haven't. How do you come to that conclusion? I didn't speak on the issue. Why even suggest the possibility? I used to be a feminist. Of course I've considered the possibility. But even asking me the question suggests that you thought it a likely explanation, which doesn't make any sense in the context of what I actually said. If you follow the discussion you might see that I actually agree that women should have birth control covered, for free even. What I have a problem with …
/r/MensRights31/01/13 04:33 PM
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Have you considered the possibility that you're a racist? See how well that works? I don't understand why your comment follows mine when I didn't actually state any position other than identifying as "on the political left" here. edit: You're basically suggesting I'm a misogynist based on the fact that I don't like it when people shout out misogyinist in lieu of an actual counter argument. You're doing exactly what I have a problem with.
/r/MensRights31/01/13 04:15 PM
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I agree with you! But the comic also really hits home for me. As somebody who is typically on the political left I get really frustrated at progressives, particularly feminist pundits, who reduce every argument against birth control or abortion to their opponent hating women, or waging war on women. It's gut-wrenchingly awful to watch somebody whose views I've respected suddenly start spouting that rhetoric instead of engaging in the issues.
/r/MensRights31/01/13 07:38 AM
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You get girls who act like you are a pervert when you call them on dress code, in part because they are bitter that you are making them march to the office/ISS to change their clothes or call a parent to have some brought. And it's not like they don't know what the dress code is. They just keep hoping that maybe they won't get caught.
/r/MensRights31/01/13 03:00 AM
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It's an overt admission of one of the major points mens rights activists make -- that those traits that become associated with the male gender in society are dictated by what women prefer and ask of men. It's an admission of a very real power women have in society while feminists claim no such power exists.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 10:48 PM
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Thanks for this. Now if I see this claim somewhere like facebook I know there's a snopes link I can flatly refute it with.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 07:24 PM
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Students may be misinterpreting the reasons for the actions of the teacher. The teacher moves a student to an isolated desk to try and get them to stop goofing off, remove distractions, and put them in a place where they're more overtly monitored. The students cry "humiliation" and think it's a shaming tactic. ... or maybe the teacher really is just trying to humiliate students who misbehave. It happens.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 07:19 PM
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My daughter was there, and she had cut herself, and he’s asking should he suck the blood in front of the class, when she asked for a band-aid. That's.. kind of troubling. If everything she says is true she has some valid complaints. But... There's a bit of hysteria about male teachers being perverts or in the field for the wrong reasons. In my experience lot of female students actively look for their male teachers to be perverts, and suffer confirmation bias about it. Some of the male students d…
/r/MensRights30/01/13 07:14 PM
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I assume it's him, and it's some attempt at a bit of artistry. Him sitting there in silence while the audio plays might be symbolic of the larger silence of male victims. I don't like it. In regards to the formatting that satsumas mentions it seems likely to me this video is meant to play on a phone.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 07:03 PM
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The descrepency in tone and content between this thread and the hostile questions in the AMA is suggestive of it.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 01:25 AM
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Well those are issues I have with the bill as well. ... I'm just not convinced these are/were the issues driving Conservatives in congress to block the bill at that moment.
/r/MensRights29/01/13 01:40 AM
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And, ironically I've been downvoted for it by somebody! I suspect somebody has gone through my posting history out of spite for something else, though.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 03:01 PM
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I didn't downvote but I'll give it a go: You can look at outcomes that occur when you inform your actions with evidence versus outcomes that occur when actions are informed by beliefs lacking evidence to support them. Actually proving the utility of the quoted claim with clear evidence would involve some kind of experiment -- but such an experiment would be hard to design and control in a way that had no bias in its construction. We can instead fall back on the slightly less reliable evidence of…
/r/MensRights28/01/13 06:26 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with you.
/r/MensRights28/01/13 03:07 AM
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This is really derailing from the topic at hand -- but no, this is not how most atheists will present their position.
/r/MensRights27/01/13 09:17 PM
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The comments have diverged to talking about atheism, which doesn't seem to be the point here. Unfortunately this happens whenever anybody mentions the subreddit, or atheists, or atheism, and usually anything religious, too.
/r/MensRights27/01/13 08:56 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/16xahi/i_cheated_on_my_sweetheart_of_a_husband_for_3/c847bus Either the OP is trolling, or this comment is.
/r/seduction27/01/13 04:17 AM
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Or maybe that comment is itself a troll, and somebody pretending to be the OP. Why not just make that comment with the same account?
/r/MensRights27/01/13 03:56 AM
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So many people breaking the rules of that subreddit. She deserves the scorn, of course. Edit: Another account with a similar name is claiming to be OP and trolling. But maybe that account is just trolling by pretending to be OP?
/r/MensRights27/01/13 03:53 AM
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I quite agree!
/r/MensRights27/01/13 03:09 AM
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I've heard that how women dress really doesn't increase or decrease their chances of being raped. Not sure how credible that was, though. Staying out of dangerous situations, on the other hand...
/r/MensRights26/01/13 07:29 PM
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Sadly, I've heard a few tales that include this attitude put forth as a way to protect star jocks in some small towns that are nuts about their high school football. It just seems bizarre to me that people would behave that way, but there it is. (That said it's certainly not a mainstream view in larger America.) Edit: Also, this isn't exactly a case of not being told that rape is wrong, but rather covering up the awful behavior after it's happened.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 07:26 PM
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.. And they'll argue that this has been the case all along.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 02:54 PM
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Great video. I actually felt she could have done better in the first few minutes of her actual argument with her statements about Michelle Obama. I'm sure people identifying with feminism will see that segment as if she were demonizing Michelle and other women in her position. I'd wager it is Barack's choice and not Michelle's overt demand that leads him to run his big decisions by her, but you didn't get that impression from GWW's comments. That said she hit this video out of the park in every …
/r/MensRights26/01/13 02:18 AM
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I suppose I'm thinking in terms of sympathy toward the husband.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 12:43 AM
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she sure as hell can stay forever. But should she? I guess my point is that people who would divorce for money are the kinds of people I don't mind getting divorces. I do mind them getting the money, but I'm not going to cry over the actual split in the marriage. And I wouldn't want to promote the idea that women should stay in a marriage just for money either.
/r/MensRights26/01/13 12:38 AM
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If that's the case, I wouldn't make my complaint that it promotes divorce. I support divorcing women who would make unfounded DV claims to get a leg up in a divorce! I would more accurately complain that it furthers the bias against men in divorce proceedings.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 11:54 PM
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argued that the Act promoted "divorce, breakup of marriage and hatred of men." I've seen people say that the VAWA promotes divorce, but I've never heard the specifics on how. Can somebody elaborate?
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:39 PM
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Some comments are coming through now pointing it out. It's factually wrong on a level that demands a correction posted to the article.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 03:56 PM
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I know one guy who refuses to change diapers. But he also forces his wife to wear religious garb and considers her subservient.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 03:00 PM
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Were these points about ROK pointed out in the comments to the article? If not you should provide that.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 02:36 PM
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There are lots of things wrong with this.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 12:34 AM
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You mean punishment. Negative reinforcement is meant to encourage a behavior, not stop it. edit: Oops, guess you've already been corrected on this.
/r/MensRights24/01/13 12:30 AM
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I've seen enough studies to counter their first point in response that I wonder what their sources are.
/r/MensRights21/01/13 06:24 AM
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I'm a very pro-choice person, and I completely hate the rhetoric a lot of people on my side of this issue use in this regard. It's a huge disappointment when I hear somebody I otherwise respect start framing the other side of this issue as women haters.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 01:25 PM
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I actually disagree with some of the conclusions GWW draws from the Bonobos, but I just learned a hell of a lot reading that. It's interesting to see such a long and drawn out debate on the subject when it seems to me that bonobos were not the thrust of the original argument being made, but rather used as an illustration of the point. So instead of directly arguing the point, SaraSays picks a huge fight about bonobos. Take away the bonobos and the rest of GWW's original argument is still fine.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 01:23 PM
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You can change your behavior voluntarily, without it being demanded. That is, don't quietly walk three feet behind somebody on a dark street alone. Or not, there's really no obligation to accommodate the paranoia of others, and it's really rude for somebody to demand it. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a nice to avoid doing something you know might well be scaring the shit out of another person, justified or not.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 08:19 AM
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How would I know he's black? ... for that matter, how would you know he's a man? Way to miss the point. That said, if you know that women tend to be skiddish in this kind of situation it might be polite to act accordingly. That doesn't mean it's okay to demand men change their behavior to accommodate their fear of the male sex, though.
/r/MensRights20/01/13 04:58 AM
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The solution re: reproductive rights in this scenario isn't to allow men to force abortions, but allow men the option to forfeit their parental rights (without ruining their lives financially in the process).
/r/MensRights20/01/13 04:53 AM
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Is a girl getting wet consent to sex?
/r/MensRights18/01/13 03:37 PM
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When I read passages like this I feel like I took crazy pills. I wonder if context would help.
/r/MensRights18/01/13 02:52 AM
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I was only attempting to correct what looked like a misinterpretation of the point. You framed ExiledSenpai's quote to be more anti-male than it actually was.
/r/MensRights14/01/13 03:24 AM
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Do you not see the greater number of male prisoners as maybe being a problem in and of itself? Of course, why wouldn't I?
/r/MensRights14/01/13 03:12 AM
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Yes, but that doesn't take away from the point. Do you disagree that there are hugely more male prisoners than female? Either way, I wasn't trying to agree or disagree with anybody, only clarifying what ExiledSenpai's point seemed to actually be. Edit: To Clarify, If rape is a prison thing, and there are many, many more men in prison, then this will mean that a lot more men will be raped in prison than women. Total, not per capita.
/r/MensRights14/01/13 03:03 AM
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Probably more that the commission or rape is prison behavior.
/r/MensRights14/01/13 02:46 AM
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I've never been a big fan, but I have gone to bat to defend her against people shitting on her based on looks and gender bending.
/r/MensRights13/01/13 04:32 PM
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That's a good question, and I'd really like an honest answer. They must have some reasoning behind the response, flawed or not...? I suppose they are saying that the nature of the evidence contamination in question is far more likely to absolve the guilty than implicate the innocent?
/r/MensRights12/01/13 04:43 AM
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They were unable to help you, but I'm curious if they were sympathetic to your situation? It seems to me that they might get that call on a regular basis, and an agency meant to serve men (even as abusers) might well be more in tune with issues men face.
/r/MensRights12/01/13 04:38 AM
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I think I got lucky in my sociology course that it was very light on male shaming and somewhat objective in general.
/r/MensRights11/01/13 07:10 PM
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I'm having trouble figuring out how the caption is even relevant to anything. Why even bother trying to make the point if not to shit on boys?
/r/MensRights10/01/13 02:43 AM
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With teachers and students it really is more about the abuse of power and position of authority, particularly in states where a huge chunk of the student body is above the age of consent. That we are dealing with minors only makes the power difference more stark, significantly so since teachers are filling the role of "guardian" of the students in their care, while those students are in their care, in a manner of speaking anyway.
/r/MensRights09/01/13 06:43 AM
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I didn't know being in a relationship with a woman, or allowing a woman to come near you implies that you will become their financial slave. If that's not what you are suggesting then your comment seems nonequitur, given what I'm replying to.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 06:00 AM
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There's value in things other than your wallet, in the end.
/r/MensRights04/01/13 04:44 AM
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I might actually pick up the figurative pen and write my damn congressmen for a change. I don't do that nearly enough. I agree with you. I'd be fine with a lot (not all) of what is in the VAWA if they would just make it gender neutral.
/r/MensRights03/01/13 03:30 AM
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When you have such an obvious antagonism and distaste toward the left it's no wonder they don't react well to you. There is a lot more to the left side of the aisle than feminism, and being against feminism doesn't make the right side of the aisle right on anything but not supporting feminism. And when I listen to conservative mouthpieces talking about feminism, I rarely hear any arguments I can actually say I'd support. They tend to be coming to the right position (against feminism) but based o…
/r/MensRights03/01/13 03:08 AM
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Can you provide some sources of conservatives in congress actually raising these concerns about the bill, or even better citing them as their reasons for blocking it?
/r/MensRights03/01/13 02:45 AM
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I always love a comment that drives a knife right into the heart of the matter.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 05:53 PM
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I don't agree with doc dropping, generally speaking (in specific cases it can be called for). But the double standard presented here is worth a huge wagging finger to say the least.
/r/MensRights02/01/13 05:50 PM
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Somebody doesn't know what "unironically" means.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 04:04 AM
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The best explanation I lean toward as to "why" this kind of thing is so pervasive is long standing and well internalized gender perspectives that basically make "white knight" behavior, for lack of a better word, instinctive. And I really don't like that phrase, so I wish I had a better word. It's indoctrination. We are, as a society, indoctrinated into a view of women's issues that would not be sustainable in a skeptical mind without that indoctrination.
/r/MensRights30/12/12 03:54 AM
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You don't think the -73 karma is earned?
/r/MensRights30/12/12 12:59 AM
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On purpose. Edit: To clarify -- there are people in this subreddit who make over the top, offensive comments on purpose. To troll, to make MRAs look bad, or whatever their motivations might be. Note the karma they tend to earn.
/r/MensRights29/12/12 06:13 AM
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Anything that suggest a man can choose who he wants to have sex with and under what terms is seen as evil. Yeah, I'm sorry but this isn't true. I just surfed here and I have no animosity for people who want to "game" their interactions with women, but as somebody who has never been a player, so to speak, I can tell you that this is absolutely not the sole source of animosity toward this kind of stuff. You talk like you have to "game" in order to "choose" your sexual partners, which to me is some…
/r/TheRedPill26/12/12 03:28 AM
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It's the difference between sexual abuse and all abuse.
/r/MensRights23/12/12 04:51 PM
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A lot of the things you list aren't things I really see constantly talked about here on this subreddit.
/r/MensRights21/12/12 07:08 AM
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Your original comment read as if you thought the message of the video was anti-woman in some way.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 11:44 PM
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I just finished watching this video and I'm not sure I see how your comment follows. Can you elaborate?
/r/MensRights19/12/12 08:10 PM
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The word "addiction" connotes that the attachment has become problematic.
/r/MensRights19/12/12 03:36 AM
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I mean that the author seems to find those mediums troubling because they typically appeal to male audiences.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 05:32 PM
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Doesn't just blame and shame men, but pornography and video games as well. Addiction to porn and video games is problematic, of course, but the focus on those points seem to demonize them outright as male entertainment mediums.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 05:16 PM
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I had been feeling disgruntled about how feminism is treated in the skeptical community long before the actual elevatorgate incident, but if I had to put a stamp on an actual event that led me to seriously reevaluate the role of feminism, and the role of men in our society? Yep, this is it.
/r/MensRights18/12/12 05:02 PM
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It's not a huge, school-day encompassing deal. But it's there. Most students would think nothing much about being alone with a teacher unless there was something else particularly unsettling about the situation. Or, the situation might be a little uncomfortable because it's awkward to relate to a teacher in a one-on-one setting when you are used to a classroom of your peers being there. But most students wouldn't jump to rape fears, that's for sure. The pressure to never be alone with students d…
/r/MensRights18/12/12 04:52 PM
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Before I even read this I can guess what some of the content here might be based on the URL. I've been quietly raging over some of the TV coverage of the last few days. Will edit to indicate whether my hunch was right. edit: yep. Well, not exactly, but close enough.
/r/MensRights17/12/12 03:27 AM
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If she "sees what she see" and then sees that as a problem with education rather than a problem with boys, then she might actually be on the right track. (I suspect this isn't the case, though, based on your submission.) Boys do perform worse than girls in school. The appropriate response is to find out how our system is failing those boys, not dismiss them as immature.
/r/MensRights16/12/12 06:10 PM
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You shouldn't need this clarification. Rather, you should avoid saying things like "leftists are viscerally opposed to men's rights" in the first place. Like the OP you alienate allies by conflating polarizing political rhetoric which the idea of men's rights as a whole.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 05:05 AM
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Because most men's rights issues concern gross discrimination against men under the law, rather than some patriarchy boogeyman that the government needs to kill, feminists and leftists are viscerally opposed to men's rights. There is absolutely nothing about left politics that prevents you from wanting unfair government policies to change or just go away. There is nothing about addressing gross discrimination against men under the law that should drive progressives away from the MRM. In fact, re…
/r/MensRights14/12/12 04:37 AM
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Just to make sure I'm not taken wrong here, since I've gotten a number of comments. I didn't say it was right, rather I said people would complain.
/r/MensRights14/12/12 02:47 AM
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I think it's less about the instruction favoring any male or female learning styles, and much more about the lack of male role models, and an atmosphere where typical "male" social behavior is misbehaving, while typical "female" behavior is good. Boys are taught to identify with being active, competitive, loud, rambunctious, etc. Girls are taught that being a girl means you are quiet and polite, and cute, and that you please the adults around you. This affects young boys in two ways -- first, th…
/r/MensRights13/12/12 05:05 PM
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People would complain. Parents and some teachers both. Teachers would fear that they could be used to have a constant eye over their shoulder. Some parents would see it as a threat to privacy, or as some Orwellian big brother measure.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 06:52 AM
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It's driven and continues to drive a lot of good teachers out of the profession, male and female.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 02:06 AM
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The new definition of rape doesn't exclude envelopment as penetration describes the exact same. Technically correct, of course. But by citing only penetration the new definition allows it to be read as only indicating cases where the victim is being penetrated. I would agree with you that this is an incorrect reading, but that doesn't mean that's how it will be treated.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 02:05 AM
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Following the typical logic isn't this victim blaming? Don't tell men how not to be falsely accused, tell girls to stop falsely accusing. This particular policy is not about justice, but CYA. ... actually, it occurs to me that the majority of what teachers do is CYA.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 01:54 AM
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I'm also a male teacher at middle school level. I want to confirm everything you've just said. I will point out that all teachers are advised not to be alone with students, ever, but often this comes with special attention to men. Lately there have been a lot of cases of female teachers being inappropriate with male students getting media attention. In my experience the girls at school look at each male teacher and decide whether or not they are perverts. You get labeled a pervert by the student…
/r/MensRights13/12/12 12:43 AM
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Well, you shouldn't need to be a feminist for them to find your opinion valuable. I wouldn't change a thing. I'm only lamenting that based on my experience with such things claiming you aren't a feminist is, for many feminists, like claiming you are a young earth creationist during a discussion of geology. Feminism is perceived as so obviously correct to them that anybody claiming not to be a feminist is obviously coming from a bad position.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 05:09 AM
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Unfortunately, I suspect that by explicitly refusing the label of feminist you will allow them to personally justify disregarding your opinion. But then again, I don't know these people so I could be wrong. Your complaint was very well stated, though.
/r/MensRights11/12/12 02:04 AM
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At the most reasonable they mean that our society views sex as a game of conquest where coercive measures are accepted and normal, and that the act of rape is this attitude taken to its unsavory extreme.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 07:56 PM
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Notice that the 1.27 million male victims who were "made to penetrate" by an assailant are listed under "other violence", and not under rape. However, the number is identical to the 1.27 million female victims of "forced penetration." I'll let that sink in for a second. The number of male victims of female perpetrators is EQUAL to the number of female victims of male perpetrators. Can you provide a link to this actual source instead of the screenshot? I'd like to be able to look more closely at …
/r/MensRights10/12/12 06:43 PM
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Not (necessarily) legal. Just not defined as rape. Most of what should be considered rape would still be illegal, and they'd call it a more generic sexual assault. That doesn't mean it is prosecuted fairly, though.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 05:19 PM
3

You don't see the disparity because you're holding those cards. Your comments as originally presented showed a clear disparity that needed to be addressed. "The statistics showing that women suffer more depression are valid because they are taken from people actually in treatment." And earlier, "The real issue is that men don't get treated." Now, imagine you aren't already holding the cards on this (that is, you aren't already informed), and somebody plays these two cards. I agree with you and I…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 04:01 PM
3

they're taken from statistics of people actually in treatment for depression. You make some good points. But I'm going to note that a bit of a red flag comes when you state this to support what your stance, yet shortly before, in another comment, you noted this: Actually, the bigger issue is that men don't stick to therapy the way women do. They usually turn to self-medication (mostly alcohol), and either don't go to therapy, or go once or twice and then drop out. When you make a point, but that…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 03:40 PM
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You're a bit over the top here. You're demonizing professions when the professional title has nothing to do with the problems you have. There's nothing about being a teacher that means you push Feminist dogma, for example. The education system is infested with feminist dogma, yes, but your argument in context here reads like you think the solution is to disregard the teaching profession. Off mark. An education degree, and other non-STEM degrees are valuable. Teachers are valuable. Lawyers and jo…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 01:28 PM
2

This coupled with many rational fallacies which fall out of a lack of critical thinking. It's ironic to talk about critical thinking and rational fallacies when I'm making a point about emotional appeals and trying to win people over through insults and shaming instead of actual reasons. edit: If you have read the content of aVfm Not talking about aVfm, I'm talking about this submission. ... and it's also strange that you rant at me about how bad feminism is when I'm not trying to defend feminis…
/r/MensRights10/12/12 02:31 AM
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I don't care about vulgar language or shooting from the hip, or acting proper. It's branding people and lumping them in with the worst of the "other side" that I have a bigger issue with. This is SRS tactics. You know how radfems will call anybody who disagrees with them rape apologists or misogynists? JtO is doing the same damn thing here, except it's "feminist" instead of "rape apologist" being tossed around.
/r/MensRights10/12/12 12:48 AM
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You aren't being asked (by this comment or others like it) to be nicer to people with box-cutters. You're being asked to be nicer to the people who are on your side and already agree with you, or at least mostly already agree with you. Calling people who don't follow your exact approach the enemy, labeling them them members of, or sympathizers for the other side (pro-feminists, feminists, etc), tossing a slew of insults at them to try and shame them into following your approach to the issues... …
/r/MensRights08/12/12 01:50 PM
1

The rules don't erase what actually goes on in the fempire or how seriously some people take that stuff out in the actual world.
/r/MensRights04/12/12 03:14 PM
1

Atheism is not the kind of unified movement you are suggesting it is, nor should it be.
/r/MensRights15/11/12 07:41 PM
2

I'm in this camp, too. Looking critically at what's been going on in the skeptical community in regards to feminism in the past few years led me to actually be skeptical about feminism. I was surprised at what I found.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 05:15 AM
13

The only issue this raises for me is how distasteful a gender-swapped version of this would seem.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 05:11 AM
11

He considers sexual interest to be an indispensable component of romantic relationships. That doesn't mean girls are viewed as living fleshlights. It means he doesn't want to pursue a romantic relationship without sexual interest as a component.
/r/MensRights14/11/12 12:03 AM
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I don't think that's the intent of the advice at all, but I agree that the phrasing is poor because of this implication.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 11:41 PM
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I'm kinda with you here (not that I'm a teenage girl). The advice is okay, but only if you change "says no to sex" to "shows no sexual interest in you." In my opinion these are two very different statements. There are good girls out there who will be slow to jump into bed for a number of reasons, particularly in their teenage years. The trouble is discerning the difference between somebody who just doesn't want to jump into bed right away, and somebody who isn't sexually attracted to you.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 11:39 PM
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Another example that would be perfectly fine if only they didn't make it about gender. Change the title of the two lists and remove gender specific phrasing from the top list, and this isn't such a bad section. The bottom list is already gender neutral save for the title.
/r/MensRights13/11/12 11:31 PM
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I'd have no problem with these posters if they said "YOU can stop rape" and included at least one scenario with a woman choosing to back off. Of course... I think that's almost universally agreed upon here, so I don't know why I'm even making the comment.
/r/MensRights30/10/12 04:44 AM
1

A good point, but just to step back -- we shouldn't assume it to be the case. It's just a possibility.
/r/MensRights27/10/12 04:45 PM
9

"Would you do this? How about this? Or this?" Without informing them that these things are being counted as "rape" in the results. I've seen similar methods used before. It's possible that's what we are looking at here. But one can't really say without more information on the actual study in question.
/r/MensRights27/10/12 04:08 AM
1

It was people on this subreddit who looked into it and found the full story.
/r/MensRights27/10/12 04:02 AM
1

Just hijacking the comment to let you know that I upvoted the majority of your comments in the original thread. I see you've got some hefty negative karma on most of them at this point, and I think that's a shame. Even if we have strong disagreements you engaged in a decent discussion of the issue. (edit: Clarifying -- by "hijacking" i mean I'm using my reply to say this, instead of respond to your points! I'm a bit exhausted on the discussion at this point, so I'm letting it end here with you h…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 11:15 PM
2

. I'm not wary of you because you're a man, I'm wary of you because you are a person I don't know approaching me in a way that may or may not be threatening. I don't know if you're going to pull a gun or ask me for the time. Left at this we have no disagreement. What gets the conversation charged is the idea of Schrodinger's Rapist as a feminist concept, applied to men, and how men should behave around women (and not just in that dark alley). That's the context of my disagreement.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 11:01 PM
1

no amount of "Tell men not to rape" will reduce this already microscopic chance further. Back to the conflation I mentioned in another comment. Telling men not to rape applies (if at all) to situations where things are a bit grey, and not the dark alley scenario. But when you start discussing whether or not we should view men as potential rapists who need to keep their nature in check, we quickly find ourselves back in that dark alley.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 10:57 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlK_aQjzqrQ A dramatic, satirical reading.
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:33 AM
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The Schrodinger's Rapist paradigm tends to go beyond the analog of assuming that a woman might be lying about or neglecting her birth control, in my opinion. It's referencing more than just "the possibility that a man might be a rapist" but also a number of conclusions that are drawn from this fact, including how a man should conduct himself in front of women. And when Shrodinger's rapist is being discussed by feminists there is often a heavy conflation between "probable" and "possible" and "lik…
/r/MensRights25/10/12 06:29 AM
2

I've made the mistake of commenting on this in /r/atheism and putting my head on the chopping block. edit: ... and it's really interesting that the same people who would probably call me a victim-blamer if I said "women should take precautions" in another context, are here arguing that women have to take precautions because men are dangerous... (and I didn't even say that women shouldn't take precautions).
/r/MensRights25/10/12 04:05 AM
4

My sociology class was a pretty good class, balanced, and focused on evidence. They don't all suck. (... but apparently a whole lot of them do, based on the comments here.)
/r/MensRights25/10/12 03:29 AM
1

I agree, particularly in this case since the subject she was ignorant about was technology being used for her profession. (Actually made this argument a bit elsewhere in thread.)
/r/MensRights19/10/12 12:56 AM
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As a teacher -- you don't use educational technology for personal stuff to begin with. You also have a responsibility to be at least a little bit familiar with the technology you are using as a teaching tool. It's confusing? That's why you train with the tech that the schools give you. Usually you are required or at least offered a training session when schools introduce a new bit of technology that they are expecting you to use. Part of the teaching profession is being professional with the too…
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:30 PM
5

Incompetence that leads to a significant issue is something you can be fired for. Even if it's an "honest" mistake, a professional is expected to know what they are doing enough to not make that mistake. So, while I think flat out firing her would probably be too much, I wouldn't want her to go without some strong consequences for something like this.
/r/MensRights18/10/12 04:01 PM
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I think this is a case of ignorance of the technology at play, from the teacher and the administration. But would that ignorance translate into the assumption of malice if the genders were reversed? If a group of girls found a crotch shot of a male teacher on an iPad he gave them? What would the assumption be in that case, I wonder?
/r/MensRights18/10/12 03:53 PM
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It doesn't really make it less bizarre that this is the only one deemed worth, well, not banning. And the only difference here is "for lesbians" ... doesn't that seem strange?
/r/MensRights16/10/12 04:35 AM
2

Overlapping interests, common enemy in SRS. But also this issue would not be nearly the issue it is if /r/creepshots had been a subreddit to post public pictures of good looking men.
/r/MensRights16/10/12 04:12 AM
7

There are valid reasons to fire him. Even VA agrees that the firing is legit. But it's not the employer that's in the wrong, here, and deserving of repercussions. Chen used his media platform to intentionally ruin somebody's life. Ruining his life was the intent of the article. And that's completely reprehensible and unethical.
/r/MensRights16/10/12 04:10 AM
3

Agreed. (I'm not OP) Anyway, she explains why she sent it privately. She didn't want to cause a huge shitstorm in the original thread. I don't think those concerns carry over to echoing the comments here. That said -- I would have asked.
/r/MensRights15/10/12 01:31 AM
1

A valid concern -- but I can't imagine she wouldn't be okay with this. I don't see anything here she hasn't already said very loudly and publicly before, and I don't see anything horribly personal. (And while she didn't want to cause a shitstorm there, posting the comments here won't be causing that kind of drama.)
/r/MensRights15/10/12 01:26 AM
27

I am a huge fan of GWW. I don't always agree with her, that's for sure. But I really appreciate what she does and the issues she raises.
/r/MensRights14/10/12 11:39 PM
34

That is a really loaded and somewhat insulting reply.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 03:37 AM
2

Errors aside, the message is delivered successfully. That's your opinion. We disagree, obviously. I'm not on their facebook page cluttering up their comments. But that doesn't mean I think this image is just peachy.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 02:01 AM
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io9 gets a lot of traffic from sci-fi subreddits. Would be nice to get some of them on board.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 01:42 AM
5

We aren't shitting all over the campaign.. we're shitting all over this image.
/r/MensRights11/10/12 01:22 AM
3

I'm in the unique situation of being the only male graduate student in my group. Comrade. (I'm not a graduate student, but I was the only male in my graduating class for my major.)
/r/MensRights10/10/12 11:30 PM
4

This was really interesting, thank you. It raises a lot of questions. For me being the cynical wad that I am I wonder how much we aren't being told, since this is basically a promotional video for his accomplishments. t's a shame about the casual dismissal of the village men. The video wasn't really about the men, so you can't really expect a lot of time devoted to it, I guess.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 11:08 PM
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You don't think educating women is a good idea in countries that have otherwise kept them in the dark? Do you honestly think this is the beef people here have with the ad?
/r/MensRights10/10/12 10:19 PM
2

Edit: I've deleted most of this comment. My response was off target to an extent that I didn't feel I could easily fix with an edit, so I'm deleting those unsalvageable parts. This, basically. The intended message is not a wholly bad one, but the numbers used to support the message just seem wrong, and potentially pulled out of somebody's ass.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:54 PM
5

The campaign can be about moldy cheese -- that doesn't change the content of the poster.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:48 PM
9

When the image suggested that men are bad investments.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:40 PM
3

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/119lty/but_educating_boys_is_dumb_right_because/c6kjymx
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:38 PM
8

It's always interesting to see this kind of thing in practice.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:38 PM
1

I was going to ask for a source if it wasn't here. Thanks for providing it. For ad campaigns and such like this it's good to provide the source from the actual company as SOP, because they are occasionally not genuine.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:35 PM
1

This... actually really offends me. Sigh. edit: Looking further into the context of the image, rather than the image by itself, I'm not nearly as offended. Still don't like it, though.
/r/MensRights10/10/12 09:34 PM
8

Keep in mind, though, that Atheism+ isn't an attempt to exclude people from the larger skeptical movement. Not at all. Not divisive or anything. If you don't like atheism+ don't join it, right? No biggy. You won't be drummed out your positions if you disagree with them... right?
/r/MensRights09/10/12 12:29 AM
1

You're painting advice as "rules" that have to be followed, which goes back to my previous comments that you seem to be reading more into the statements here than is actually there.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 03:33 AM
1

Its promoting unnecessary hysteria and painting the culture as full of rapists. I actually agree with you. But as I mentioned before I don't actually see a lot of people making those kinds of statements outside of discussions like this where they are responding to people who seem to be suggesting that precautions => victim blaming.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 03:16 AM
2

Side note: I don't think leaving my valuables unattended is asking for them to be stolen.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 03:04 AM
2

How can they not be paranoid of men, if men insist on telling them that they need to wear protective clothes and never take their eyes off their drinks and if they don't, its the equivalent of leaving valuables lying around/ being in a bad neighbor hood flashing wealth, leaving their front door open and so on? By not seeing things in black and white, and realizing that taking precautions against thieves doesn't mean you need to perceive every stranger as a thief. Taking precautions to protect yo…
/r/MensRights03/10/12 03:01 AM
3

None of the studies on people that claimed they were spiked showed up any sort of trend of spiking, its largely a myth. I'm willing to believe this. Why tell women that its common sense to always watch their drinks because rapists? Because people believe the above myth -- not because they believe women are responsible for their own rapes.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:51 AM
2

Again, I think you're reading more into the statements here than is there.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:49 AM
2

The corresponding statement with regard to rape isn't being made here. Nobody is saying that women can completely prevent rape just by being cautious about it. And nobody is saying that women who are raped are raped because they didn't take precautions. At best, people are saying that some precautions could have prevented some rapes. Just like driving defensively is a good idea because it can prevent some, but not all accidents -- even accidents that wouldn't have been your fault.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:46 AM
2

You're reading way more into statements than is there. You seem very intent on perceiving blame on the victim. Nobody is telling girls never to have a good time or to be constantly paranoid or vigilant. Constant paranoia of men is actually a problem in itself.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:38 AM
2

not watching drinks Of the things you list this one actually has a lot of potential to prevent misfortune, rape or otherwise.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:37 AM
2

To continue your analogy ... telling people to drive defensively and be aware of the drivers around them does not blame them for drunk drivers.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:35 AM
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I have no data to back this up but the hottest chic I have ever seen wearing as little as possible in public would not ever make me say to myself "I'm gonna rape that chic" This is missing the point. Given that there are people who will steal shit out there, it is prudent to be careful with your belongings. Saying this doesn't imply that every person who sees something laying unattended has the impulse to steal it. Similarly, advising women to take precautions in risky situations does not imply …
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:32 AM
3

So who are the people that actual say it's because of how women dress? Genuinely curious. Does anybody have any links to this being a mainstream idea? edit: Found one via another comment here. Wow. Thanks to ChemicalShenanigans. I had to click the link to make sure the title wasn't satire. It's not satire, but it's not a direct quote, either. The direct quote isn't any better, though.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 02:27 AM
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As phrased, it technically does not say that those qualities have to come from their womanhood, only that women who come to the board bring special qualities. Well, if I believe that most individuals bring various special qualities with them to a board, then I certainly believe it is true of individuals who are women. Unfortunately, that's probably not at all what they are getting at, though.
/r/MensRights29/09/12 02:57 AM
3

This poster really kind of straddles the issue in a way that pisses both sides off. You point out one very good reason why a man might be enraged at this poster, even while it calls for men to be respected as more than animals. While, as others have pointed it it seems to suggest that men are at least partially excused for rape because they "couldn't stop themselves" from raping. Obviously that's not true. But that same point is also declaring the idea that men are uncontrollable raping machines…
/r/MensRights28/09/12 04:01 PM
3

If this is too happy for you just read the downvoted comments at the bottom. But hey, at least they're downvoted.
/r/MensRights27/09/12 04:29 AM
2

I was very proud of my college because they had an active, officially endorsed group for male students to help them feel welcomed and to advocate for them on campus. I got emails from that group all the time.
/r/MensRights26/09/12 08:30 PM
1

I read your post as having the opposite meaning at first, too. You may wish to rephrase it!
/r/MensRights26/09/12 03:52 AM
1

I confess this is how I came to the dark side. I used to be a feminist.
/r/MensRights26/09/12 03:27 AM
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